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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.

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Need, need money.

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Andy in Kansas.

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Andy in Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy in Kansas.

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Andy in Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding us.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm with you, Japan.

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I love your room.

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Knowledge fight.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple of dudes.

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I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan?

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Jordan.

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I have a quick question for you.

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What up?

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As we all know, climate change is coming.

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Sure.

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What natural wonder would you like to see before the world is changed by climate change?

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Do you want to see the Amazon River?

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You've seen the Grand Canyon, haven't you?

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Amazon River would be great, but I feel like there's a lot of bugs.

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There are a lot of bugs.

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I associate mosquitoes, maybe not mosquitoes, but just like things that will eat me alive.

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That kind of takes some of the wonder away from it, although I would like to see the

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Amazon.

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Sure.

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I've been to the Grand Canyon.

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I've been to just about everything in the United States.

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I've been to a lot of national parks and national monuments and stuff, except for, I guess,

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like, I don't think of, maybe I have, I don't know if I've been to Niagara Falls.

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I was actually just about to ask you if you've been to Niagara Falls.

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I like a waterfall.

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You know, growing up in Hawaii for a bit, there was a lot of great natural splendor

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and waterfalls that you're able to find around the islands.

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Waterfalls are very cool.

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Don't go chasing them, though.

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Says who?

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Three gals that I know.

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I don't know, that's a tough question.

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I mean, like, I don't know what the likelihood of various things being destroyed is.

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I would put the priority at whatever is the most vulnerable, you know, that would be my

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thing.

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Well, I had the, I got to go to Iceland.

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I saw a glacier.

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I saw a whole glacier.

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I climbed on top of it.

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Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

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That one's going away.

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That would be nice.

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That would be up there in terms of a vacation, I guess, seeing a big thing of ice.

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You know what?

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Not that great.

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I had the same reaction to when I went to, as a child, I went to Mount Rushmore.

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Oh, yeah.

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And I was like, I expected to see something that was like, oh my God, so amazing.

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I went to it and was like, this isn't that great.

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It's just a bunch of faces on a rock.

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And I remember not being all that impressed with it, too.

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I thought it was smaller than I imagined it.

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It was in the distance.

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I was much more impressed by Old Faithful, the geyser.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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You were impressed by Old Faithful?

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It was pretty cool.

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I'm uninterested in geysers.

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Water coming out of the ground.

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Awesome.

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We went and saw a few geysers in Iceland, and it was very boring.

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Okay.

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And you just wait around and then it goes, pshh.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty fun.

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Fair enough.

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We have different feelings about geysers, but this is a podcast where we may not agree

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on geysers, but we agree that I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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We absolutely do.

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So Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over because Alex has been out

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of studio all the last week.

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He was out at CPAC.

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There were people to harangue.

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Yeah.

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And so we don't have, I'm not going to cover Mike Adams hosting the show, nor Alan Keyes.

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Oh no.

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Come on.

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We've got to get some Keyesian economics in here.

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I'm not going to do that.

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So we don't have any of Alex Jones' show itself to go over, but thankfully I was able to find

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something maybe a little bit more fun, possibly, or a little weirder.

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But before we get down to business on that, we've got to take a moment to say thank you

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to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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Oh, that's great.

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So first, Steven, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Steven.

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Thanks, Steven.

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Next, Christopher.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Next, Dilox88.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Dilox88.

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Thank you, next, RonWithTwoEnz.

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By the way, generally, whenever I'm pointing out these spellings, it's just their name.

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Right.

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This is a person who actually, their name is RonWithTwoEnz.

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RonWithTwoEnz.

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Gotcha.

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So thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I'm not pronouncing that second.

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Thank you, RonWithTwoEnz.

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I'm not doing it.

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Next, Morgan.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Morgan.

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with an eye. She didn't point that out.

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The last one, the last one.

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Yes. The end is the eye or there's an

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e. But she didn't point that out.

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This is me clarifying.

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Gotcha. Thank you so much, Christy.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Yes. Thank you very much, Christy.

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You next, Jason. Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Jason.

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Thank you. Next, Dan.

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Great name.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to

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somebody who donated on a hyper

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generous basis so far,

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far and away beyond the level

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of what should

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be considered normal.

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I don't know how to phrase this.

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A kind person who is helping

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us do this.

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In an attempt to be

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somewhat special in

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this, thank you.

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I would like to bring back

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the old technocrat sound bite

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for this.

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This person is a rare treat.

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So thank you so much, Scott.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her

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you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent

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me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Jar Jar Binks has a

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Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser.

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Little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, Scott.

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Yes, thank you very much, Scott.

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clicking the button to support the

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show. We would appreciate it.

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Please do be very helpful.

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So, Jordan, like I said, yes,

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Alex Jones and most of the Infowars

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family went to Washington, D.C.

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to try and whine and beg for

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attention by taking over CPAC.

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Like the Beverly Hills Hillbillies.

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Somewhat. Yeah. In their conception,

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they were taking over CPAC.

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Sure. So there were all sorts of

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highlights from the trip, like

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Gavin McGinnis getting kicked out of

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CPAC and Gavin McGinnis being

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told to leave the lobby outside CPAC

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in the middle of being interviewed

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by Alex's intern, Harrison Smith,

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about how he'd been kicked out of

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CPAC. Good stuff.

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Great highlights.

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Very headline worthy stuff.

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Oh, yeah.

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They threw some kind of gallop

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party on Thursday night.

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But for a person like me who's

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about the substance, it was

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all about their emergency Save

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the First Amendment summit, which

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took place Wednesday evening.

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This was an event that promised

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appearances from the likes of

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Millie Weaver, Gavin McGinnis and

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the hastily booked Nick Fuentes,

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all booked to complain about how

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they're not allowed on social

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media. Oh, man, this is this is

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like the cast of Birth of a Nation.

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Like, this is creepy.

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Yeah, not good in what I can only

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describe as a huge mistake.

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The entire video of this First

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Amendment summit was posted on

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Infowars.

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Why?

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You don't want evidence of your

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shit.

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No, you let this

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one just like live for the live

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people. Just don't don't

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don't leave evidence.

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It might be one of the saddest

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things I've ever seen.

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That sounds right.

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First of all, as we know, the

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event was being put on by

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National File, which is the blog

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that Alex's employee, Tom Pappert

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runs.

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I call him an employee, but that

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might not actually be the most

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accurate term.

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Like Pappert used to host

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firepower radio until they all

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realized it was pointless and no

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one was listening.

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And he fills in for Owen on the

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war room sometime.

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So whether he has a contract or

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not, I consider him an employee,

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even though my my terminology

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might be a little imprecise.

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He's in the orbit.

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Yeah.

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National File had planned to hold

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an event at a smaller auditorium.

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But when Alex heard about this, he

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insisted they rent out the Omni,

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a much larger venue befitting of

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a star of his caliber.

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Alex has suggested that he paid as

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much as twenty thousand dollars to

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rent the bigger room because with

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a roster like Gavin, Alex and Nick

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Fuentes, you're going to draw a

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crowd.

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As it turns out, they did not know

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the video. The summit begins with a

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wide shot with Rob do on stage

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giving the audience an

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introduction.

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You can see 12 people in the crowd

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compared to at least 40

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empty chairs.

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I should say, in the interest of

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full honesty, that one of the chairs

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has someone's coat over the back of

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it. So that might be audience

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member 13 or it might be the coat

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of the guy in the chair next to it.

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I don't know. I'm not entirely sure

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it's unclear.

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It was the it was the end of a very

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bad first date, that's for sure.

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This is a depressing turnout.

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I mean, there's no way around how

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sad this is. And if you look at the

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video at the end of the event where

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we get another wide shot, it doesn't

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look like many more people showed up

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over the course of the summit.

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The most I was ever really able to

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count in any wide shot was about

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thirty four.

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But granted, the shot itself doesn't

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show the entire room, but it does

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show the first ten rows.

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No, when I when I ran an open mic

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out of the back of a Mexican

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restaurant, that would've been a

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great turnout.

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Should have killed for thirty four

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people.

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That is exactly a thought that I

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had. Like, I don't want to be a dick

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about it. Like, if I were a showcase

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producer doing stand up stuff, I

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would love that. That would feel

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pretty good.

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I would leave the show like wishing

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it had been packed, but I would take

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it in stride.

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Like, hey, you can't win them all.

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Great. It's good.

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It's a good turnout because you got

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to be reasonable about these things.

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But here's the thing.

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Alex's brand is not reasonable.

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No, that's not how he's supposed to

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be the most popular talk show host

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in the world. And everyone would

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know that he's the most popular if

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the media would stop lying about him

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and pretending that he's not.

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Exactly.

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A live event like this has to be

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packed. Any empty seat, let alone

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40 or more of them in the front

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rows. That's a damning refutation

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of the image he presents of himself.

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There may have been a few more

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people than the folks I'm able to

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count in the video, but I also heard

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from an inside source, according to

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a person who was there in the room,

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that there was never more than one

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hundred people in the crowd.

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I've performed at independent

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comedy shows that have been better

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attended. And my friend, I was not

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a successful comic either.

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There's a lot going on in the world.

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I'm pretty sure that Alex has some

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pretty horrible takes on the

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coronavirus developments and the

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situation in Syria and the

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Democratic primary.

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But since he's been out of the

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studio, we have to wait to Wednesday

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to check up on any of that stuff.

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Today, we're going to walk through

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this three hour long emergency

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free speech summit that Alex put

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on desperately trying to beg for

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Trump's attention.

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I don't want to prejudice you or the

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audience, but I have to say that

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watching this was one of the most

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frustrating experiences I've ever

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had preparing for this show.

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This summit was so poorly run

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that it caused me to yell, who's in

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charge here way more than

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once?

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As a person who used to produce live

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standup shows, there are just so

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many very basic mistakes that

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Alex and his friends made that just

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made it clear that no one was trying

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and and no one knows what they're

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doing. It's infuriating to watch,

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but I kept my wits about me and I'm

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glad I did because this summit is a

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pretty amazing narrative arc to it.

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It has almost nothing to do with the

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free speech and First Amendment,

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but no, of course, they're not fans

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of it, actually. But there is a rich

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psycho drama going on that I think

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actually has pretty important

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implications for the Infowars

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universe. OK, and we'll get into that

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over the course of this six hour

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episode that we're sitting down to.

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Oh, man, we're about to embark.

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I believe the word count in my

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notes is sixteen thousand

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Jesus.

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We're why not just read a novella

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straight to the street to the crowd?

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Why don't you react to my novella?

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OK, all right.

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So the like I said, the first

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shot that you have is Rob do on

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stage. And he I guess

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I mean, if you were in the audience

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or if you're watching this, you're

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like, OK, Rob, who's the host of the

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event? You'd be wrong in that.

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Of course. But Rob do does welcome

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the crowd, kind of.

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And here's how he does it.

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He's rambling.

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He has a rambly intro.

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There's plenty of other things like

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the Federal Reserve isn't federal.

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Nice. Some of you guys might know

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some of the stuff. Some of you might

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not. Quick show of hands.

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How many people are here to see

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Alex Jones?

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All right, everybody, good.

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All right, well, he will be down

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here in just a second. He wanted to

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kick off this event and then he's

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also headlining at the end.

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And as

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people are filing in eating, we'll

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see how this hopefully this will be

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a packed room at the end of the

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night and we'll have lots of

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rousing applause

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and screaming and a lot of free

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speech.

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Does anybody have a word that they

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don't want to hear tonight?

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Anybody shout it out real quick.

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Dangerous game.

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OK, good.

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No, we don't want to trigger

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anybody.

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Just kidding.

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Actually, we do.

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Hopefully there's some triggering

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going on tonight.

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You guys are killing it.

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You guys are killing it.

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This doesn't work with a lackadaisical

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thin crowd.

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This sort of like, yeah, we do want

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to be edgy.

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Also, by the way, if you're Rob do

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yelling out, like what words don't

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you want to hear? That's a recipe

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for someone to yell the N word.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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You're just not there.

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They're not going to yell the N word

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out because then you're saying

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the words they don't want to hear.

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Oh, that's a good point.

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See what I'm saying? None of them

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are going to yell that out because

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they're like, we'll be fine with it.

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But I'm not entirely sure that this

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audience would have thought that

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through. I think that I think that

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it basically is heard as

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an invitation to say offensive

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words. Right, right, right.

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It does seem like, yeah, from an

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audience perspective, if you're like

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chomping at the bit to heckle,

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that's your call.

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Somebody's out there screaming

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college degrees.

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I don't want to hear that out here.

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So the sense that I got is that Rob

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recognizes that the audience is

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thin and maybe more people

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are coming. As we've experienced

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at every single independently

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run comedy show ever.

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It's like, oh, yeah, I got some

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friends that are on the way.

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We're going to push for 10 minutes.

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Yeah, we're going to push this back.

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I know this. I know the start time

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was eight, but it's it's eight

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twenty five. Now we're going to get

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started. I'm joking around and it

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sounds mean, but I've done

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that myself.

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A hundred times running.

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Absolutely. Look, we'll give it

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five. We'll give it five.

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You know, yeah, absolutely.

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It's it's a it's a technique you do

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when you're disappointed.

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Absolutely. At the turnout.

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And so Rob is trying to vamp because

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I think that Alex also doesn't want

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to get up on stage in front of this

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light crowd.

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And so he this is just

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from the jump.

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This is embarrassing.

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But let's see.

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I was waiting for Alex to come.

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What else is in the news?

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What else is in the news?

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Paint playing for time.

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Oh, so

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I'm going to go to oh, by the way,

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if you don't, I'm on Twitter a lot.

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They haven't just been off there yet.

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And my Twitter is at Dews

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News, DWS, any WZ.

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It is not through here to see

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what. Oh, this was interesting

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today. Rob Blagojevich.

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Let me read this tweet.

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Are we really doing a little tipsy

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so I can tell you this.

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There's a reason Barack Obama was so

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passionate about the 2015

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Supreme Court ruling on gay

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marriage.

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He has slept with numerous men.

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Sorry, Barry had to.

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So Rob Blagojevich, I think,

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thought he was going to get a pardon

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from Barack Obama and he didn't.

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Whoa.

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So the first

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thing that's important to point out

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here is that this is an emergency

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First Amendment summit where the

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whole point is that all these

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conservatives are being taken off

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social media. And the first person

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to take the podium is literally

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Alex Jones, his longest running

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employee and news director

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who decides to make it clear while

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stretching out before Alex shows up

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that he's actually still on Twitter.

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Absolutely. That kind of invalidates

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the whole argument.

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It might be something you'd rather

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not call attention to because it

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raises the question in a listener's

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mind. What has Alex done that Rob

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Dew hasn't? That is a good question.

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The fact that Rob Dew is still on

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Twitter, as is Owen Shroyer, should

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be compelling evidence that maybe

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people who've been kicked off were

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kicked off for a reason.

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No, no, no. It's because they're

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conservatives.

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They just don't know about Dew yet.

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Maybe not.

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Also, that tweet Rob is reading is

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supposedly from Rod Blagojevich,

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which Rob is Rob Dew is

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using as a basis to argue that

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Blago was expecting a pardon from

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Obama, which he did not get.

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So now he's taken to Twitter to tell

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the world that Obama's gay.

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I hate to ruin Rob Dew's party, but

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this tweet is from an account called

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at Gov Blago, whose bio

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is literally, quote, not the real

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Blago parody account, says

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who says the guy who runs the

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account. You can't trust him.

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That's exactly what Blago would do.

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Dan, this account is a person who's

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trying to sell Blago T-shirts.

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And one of the strategies they've

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clearly been using is to post

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inflammatory jokes about Blago being

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set up and a bunch of tweets about

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booze.

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One tweet from February 27th was

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just quote, there's drunk and then

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there's Blago drunk.

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And right now I'm at the level of

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Blago drunk party.

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This was followed up by a tweet a

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little bit later saying, quote, I'm

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so drunk I could twerk on the bar.

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I do my best work at this level.

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How dare you humanize that monster.

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Like I said, though, this account is

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clearly also employing some parody

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that's a little bit subtler like

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this tweet, quote, theory.

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The Chinese didn't like these

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tariffs. So how do they get rid of

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them? Get rid of Trump.

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How do you get rid of Trump?

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Create a virus that will turn into a

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worldwide plague and cause the

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American economy to suffer.

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You think the coronavirus is an

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accident? Blago doesn't.

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On one level, Rob do thinks this is

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actually Blagojevic's Twitter

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because he's an idiot and he never

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checks any information before

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accepting it and repeating it.

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But on a deeper level, he

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automatically accepts the tweet as

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real because it conforms to what he

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wants to believe.

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And I can't put it more simply than

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this. A parody account is

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indistinguishable from what Rob do

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really thinks.

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Yes, that's bad.

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Do you know what I would say to

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that?

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We just figured out dues

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news.

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I got some news about this.

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Consider for a moment that Rob do

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just told this crowd at a free

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speech rally that he's still on

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Twitter and that he got fooled by a

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Rob Blagojevic parody account

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that says, quote, parody account in

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its bio. And he's worked for Alex

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for over a decade.

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When you go to Infowars, you show

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up dumb and you certainly don't get

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sharper based on the experience.

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Yeah, I hope never to be

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beyond parody.

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I would prefer to say parody

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able. That would be nice.

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So Rob vamps a bit.

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And then, you know, it doesn't get

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much better than a fake Blago tweet.

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Now, as a as a host, I can

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I'll tell him he's he's not doing a

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good job now.

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But now it's time to get Alex on

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stage. All right.

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Here we give you a warm welcome for

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Alex Jones.

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Well, there's a big old traffic jam

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from CPAC over here, but we

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appreciate all you that got here

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early. So we're pretty much on

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time here tonight.

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We've got a big, long list of great

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speakers coming up like Gavin

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McGinnis, Owen Schroyer, Nick

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Fuentes and so many more.

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Lee Stranahan, I'm going to be

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speaking.

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Deanna Lorraine's going to be

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speaking. She's amazing.

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And Gavin McGinnis comes up right

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before I do. And we're going to have

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Q&A later and there's a big

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traffic snarl, but we're not

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going to start this too late.

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We're going to start this right now

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and get folks here.

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I've seen this move a hundred

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times at poorly run comedy shows.

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The crowd is thin, so they push back

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the start time. That doesn't help.

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So the host gets up and makes an

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excuse like bad traffic or

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maybe it looks like it might rain or

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something. The host does what they

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can to make the people who are there

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feel special, like Alex is doing.

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I appreciate you showing up.

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You know, you're the one you're the

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ones who get it and the show

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can start.

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Hey, everybody here isn't watching

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that Bears game, right?

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Everybody, we're going to have a

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good time.

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Yeah.

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Also, Rob was very explicit that

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Alex was the headliner.

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And here we have Alex reaffirming

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that Gavin is the feature act

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of this way, way too long showcase.

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And then Alex is bringing it home

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before a pointless Q&A session.

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Good to know. Yeah, that's the

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established setup of the night.

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We'll see what happens.

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So we end up getting

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into Alex's

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introductory piece.

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OK, it's meandering.

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Is he going to do a racist accent?

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No, but he kind of does a yakoff

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bit. OK, all right.

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Of Smirnoff.

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OK, so yes, we're in digital

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media and I reach over three

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hundred thousand people.

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Every segment is rated

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on just commercial radio.

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The globalist thought they try to

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take me off Facebook, Twitter,

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YouTube.

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They didn't realize I was over two

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hundred radio stations and over

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one hundred TV stations because

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that's their arrogance.

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They jump the gun.

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They abuse the power of big tech.

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In the old days, UHF, VHF

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TV, you watch television.

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It didn't watch you.

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Very close, very close to a yakoff.

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Wow.

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Oh, boy. Yeah.

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So in my country.

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Uh huh.

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So it seems like a bit of this is

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bragging about his reach, which

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is great.

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I thought it was about that

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wonderful, weird Al Yankovic movie.

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Nope.

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So that is in opposition

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to the reality

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that's in front of him.

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He's drawn a very minuscule

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crowd compared to

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the millions and millions of people

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who listen to conservatively.

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What is it? A tenth of the world

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population was pretty much.

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Yeah. Every world leader

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exact listens every day.

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So that's tough.

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Yeah. And you can tell that it's

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Alex is not thrilled with

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this turnout. Like you can see the

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self-consciousness.

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So the fact that out of

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billions of people served in info

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wars, the fact that

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in the middle of a D.C.

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traffic jam and rainy streets

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and with two days announcing this

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that one person or a hundred

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people or a thousand people show

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up is an act of defiance

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against the tyrants.

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And it's a beautiful thing.

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That's a rationalization.

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Oh, boy. That's all that is.

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So in this next clip, Alex teases

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the theme of his headlining speech.

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Sure. When I get back up here,

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here's what we're going to talk

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about. I've got a plan.

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I got a stack of papers out there

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on my desk.

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So I'm going to get to then we're

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going to get to calls after the

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end. This is literally we're going

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to get to calls after the end.

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The Q&A is basically the calls.

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I think that you who've maybe

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brilliantly deduced that this

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might turn into an episode of the

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Alex Jones show at a certain point.

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So, OK, Alex teases the theme

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of his big headlining speech

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involves smoking gun proof of

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something.

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And here we go. Now, coming up in

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about two hours, when I give my 20

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minute speech, I'm going to get

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into the smoking gun evidence

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of governmental funding

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of censorship of the American

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people and the blueprint they

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believe to have us not

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stand up for each other where they

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pick off one person here,

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one person there.

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And by the time they get to you,

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there's nobody to stand up for

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you.

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Now, that's really a common sense

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thing we know in history.

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It happens, but it's happening

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again right now.

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And we have a real chance to say

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no to this.

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So, again, Alex is trying to get

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this sparse audience excited for

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his headlining speech.

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It seems like the theme he's going

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for is basically the first they

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came for poem.

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That was a poem written by the

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Lutheran pastor Martin Niemoller

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in the form of a confession

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expressing guilt for not doing

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more in the lead up to the

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Holocaust because he thought it

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wasn't his problem.

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It's very clear that what Alex is

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doing is he's hoping to evoke

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that here, but I'm very convinced

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he will never, ever, ever

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actually quote that poem.

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And that's because the first line

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is, quote, first they came for the

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socialists, and I did not speak

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out because I was not a

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socialist.

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Alex wants to co-opt the ever

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resonant themes of this poem, but

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will never talk about what the

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poem actually says because, well,

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he's kind of invested in the

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enterprise of coming for the

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socialists.

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The next stanza is about coming

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for the trade unionists, which

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again, Alex would be on the side

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actively opposing the unions.

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Well, yeah, he wants to evoke the

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imagery and the feeling of that

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poem, but not the specifics

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of it, which is fine.

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Well, what you what you don't

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understand is that the poem

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and the poet was dumb

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because Alex just summed up the

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whole poem with just like,

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you know, if you don't stand up for

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somebody, nobody's gonna stand up

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for you. See how simple it is?

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He's the real poet here.

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Sure. Yeah.

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So speaking of poets,

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you can take classes in poetry.

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But yes, I have.

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And if you do, you'll get a grade.

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It's true. That was a long walk for

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me. OK.

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In this next clip, Alex starts

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rambling about giving Trump a grade

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for his performance as president.

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Great transition.

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He ends up saying some things that

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were are ill-advised.

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These are not good things to say

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about someone who you're trying to

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present as good.

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But my main mission tonight

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was to simply point out that

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President Trump is very

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transactional.

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Not good.

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If he doesn't think you have

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something to bring to the table,

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President Trump is

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not going to deal with you.

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That's a psychopath in business.

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And he believes in America and he's

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promoting our country.

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And he's standing up to the

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Chicomps. I'll give him an A

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minus report card.

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So this might not be the best way

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to characterize your hero president.

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Like, I don't think anyone should

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be supporting an elected official

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who's transactional,

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particularly when it comes to

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matters of public interest.

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I have no idea how Alex can get in

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front of this thin crowd and tell

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them that Trump doesn't deal with

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you unless you have something to

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offer him and expect that to sound

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good.

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It sounds insanely corrupt, like

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blatant corruption to the point

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where even Alex is trying to make

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it sound good.

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It sounds like a mob guy.

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Hey, hey, listen, all of you 20

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people here who totally have

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a ton of money.

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Trump is willing to deal with you

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if you get.

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I'm not I'm not positive to

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value. I'm not positive that it's

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a well-to-do crowd.

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I have no idea.

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I can't you can't really suss that

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out from the video.

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And I'm starting to think by Alex's

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own definition, Trump does not have

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any interest in them.

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No, probably not.

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Yeah.

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So but I guess that's why he gets

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an A minus.

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OK, fair enough.

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So Alex gets into the grading

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issues a little bit more.

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So I'll give him an A

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minus report card,

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because when it comes to standing

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up for free speech and

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standing up against big tech

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cartels, combining

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forces to censor

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populist and patriots and

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gun groups and veteran groups

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and Christian organizations and

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pro-life groups.

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President Trump gets an F minus.

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See, that's A plus total.

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It takes it down to an A minus

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because in that way of standing

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up for the First Amendment,

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President Trump has an F.

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I'm not sure how Alex is awaiting

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grades here, but I didn't realize

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that he puts so little priority on

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free speech stuff like he literally

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yells about it all the time.

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And so many of his completely

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manufactured complaints about the

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left have to do with fake free

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speech grievances like the Purple

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Penguins affair.

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So I would have really considered

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him to be a free speech absolutist

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like his fucking company is called

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Free Speech Systems.

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Right. Based on every indication

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I get about what he pretends his

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positions are, if a president gets

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an F minus on free speech issues,

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it should be impossible for their

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whole grade to be A minus.

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Dan, Dan, Bill of Rights.

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Ten amendments.

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Guess what?

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You fuck up on one amendment.

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You still got a 90 percent.

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Dan, it makes perfect sense.

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You're wrong.

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OK.

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Grades, they're a system that

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follows certain rules.

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They aren't arbitrary.

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There's a method for averaging out

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grades or creating a grade point

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average.

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If you're taking four college

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courses and you have A's in three

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of them and an F in one, that'll

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give you a B average or a three

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point oh and a minus is

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a three point seven GPA.

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And you need to be taking 14

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classes before an F could be

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absorbed and leave you with an A

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minus average.

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And that's only if all of those

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classes are weighted exactly the

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same.

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There's no sane world where Alex

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could give Trump an F minus on free

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speech and his average grade is

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still a minus.

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This, like so many other things, is

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just Alex talking shit.

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He doesn't really care about free

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speech because if he did, it would

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probably be at least the thing where

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it bumps Trump's grade down to a B.

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OK, here.

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OK, let's do it this way.

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Let's go better than this way.

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All right.

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Let's weight the averages here.

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Trump has two jobs,

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two important amendments.

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First, he's doing great on gun

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rights, so he has ninety

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two percent.

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I'm not positive that's even the

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first first amendment only.

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Look, he's docked eight points.

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Trump is a big deal.

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You know, Alex has talked about it

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a bunch. Trump has indicated like

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the inclinations toward

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red flag laws.

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OK, so he is doing

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that great on that one.

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All right. So maybe the guy

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who promised us everything has

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delivered on fuck all and has made

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himself a lot of money in the

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process. That's why he's the

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greatest president in the history of

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the world, Dan.

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I think that this a minus is just a

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strong indication that Alex realizes

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like, I can't say

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even B plus because that

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Trump would take that as an insult

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and maybe it would hurt my chances

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of getting his attention.

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Wow. It's very cowardly.

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Yeah. This is very sad.

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Yeah. I told you.

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Very weird.

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It's bad.

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So Alex spends a good portion

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of his introductory set

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talking about how Julian Assange

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needs to be pardoned.

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Sure. And this seems to be

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one of the only things that really

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enlivens the crowd.

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President Trump signed

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on that metaphysical dotted line

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and said, as candidate Trump

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months before the election,

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Julian Assange, if

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you have him, release him.

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And Julian Assange wasn't a wimp.

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Julian Assange pulled

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the trigger and

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he released the

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criminal activities of the deep state

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wanting to cause race wars

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and bio wars and collapses

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and pure evil.

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And he did a hero's work

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and instead of being carried

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down Main Street

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in New York City in a ticker

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tape parade for delivering

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the shot down the Death

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Star reactor shaft,

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Julian Assange has spent years

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and years and years

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and years in solitary confinement

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where he's a gibbering person

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that can't even hardly talk

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at these hearings.

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And President Trump sits

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there on the sidelines.

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God has protected President Trump

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because he's honorable

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and cares about America

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and has strength.

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But in the final equation,

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if he doesn't get Julian Assange

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out of prison and continues along

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with this fake extradition,

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then President Trump

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has joined all those cowardly

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globalists in the swamp

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and makes me want to throw up.

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Does that mean I'm going

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to support Hillary?

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We know she's getting ready

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to broker convention.

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Hell no.

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But still, it takes a great record

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that President Trump's engaged in

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and absolutely tarnishes it.

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And that's what we're

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talking about.

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And then you take Roger Stone.

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So if you follow that,

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he's saying that Julian Assange

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and Trump made a spiritual contract

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when Trump said release

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these hacked emails.

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Right.

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Then Trump didn't follow through

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by pardoning Assange

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or giving him clemency

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or whatever the case would be.

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And so now Julian Assange

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is a gibbering person

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who can't talk.

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And if Trump doesn't

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part in Assange,

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that'll make Alex

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want to throw up,

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but he'll still support him.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yeah, I will look.

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OK, so you're right.

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You're right.

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This is my line in the sand,

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but also I will still support you

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no matter what you do.

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Sure.

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I said yes,

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that you couldn't shit in your hand

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and then smear it on my face.

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That was my last straw.

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But I swear to you,

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if you do it one more time,

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that will be my do not.

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All right.

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We're starting over.

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You you put it in my face again.

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We're going to do this one more time.

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Look, I don't line in the sand.

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I don't like you

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putting shit in my face.

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But what am I supposed to do?

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Support Hillary Clinton?

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All right.

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Well, she's still not running,

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so you can try anyone else.

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She's starting a podcast.

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Oh, God.

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I have no backbone.

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But I'm emphatic about it.

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That seems to be the message.

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That seems to be the Republican Party.

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So Alex gets up.

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A lot of this is petty grievance talk.

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A lot of like I've been wronged.

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But this is an episode of it.

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But but it's good

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when I've been wronged

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because it tells me

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that I'm on the right track.

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That mentality is going to be ubiquitous

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throughout these speakers.

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But here here here is

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one of the first points where I'm like,

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this is not going well.

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I mean, when Alex gets up

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and just rants the way he does all the time,

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it's like, well, he says stupid things.

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But like, this is exactly what you expect.

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This is what you paid for.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is where I think

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things start to fall apart.

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I turn towards that attack

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and I put my head down

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and go into it,

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because that is where

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the daggers of truth

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will go into their livers

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and their hearts

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and their kidneys and their spine.

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It's in that place of their fear

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when they attack me,

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that I know I've been given

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the guidance of where to strike.

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And so instead of being

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cowards of slaves, I say we fight

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and we take action now today.

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Let's go ahead and bring up

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Tom Papert of National File

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to put on this great event.

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Ooh, ooh.

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So I don't think that Tom Papert

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knew exactly when Alex

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was going to be wrapping up

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this little ranty intro,

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because Alex just, you know,

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he's in the middle of yelling

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about how he knows where to attack

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when he gets attacked.

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And on a dime,

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he turns to introing Tom.

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Then Alex just bails from the stage,

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not waiting for Tom to get up.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, crucial mistake.

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A lot of open mic etiquette

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being broken here.

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Like if you're introing

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someone, you wait on stage

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for them to come up,

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you shake their hand

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and ceremonially give them the stage.

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This seems like a little thing,

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but it's an important gesture

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that the audience definitely

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subconsciously notices.

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Alex, by virtue of being

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the biggest star in the building

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and most of the people there's boss,

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has a position of authority

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by leaving without greeting Tom on stage.

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He's sending a message of disrespect,

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kind of like I've done my part.

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Good luck, kid.

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It's very rude.

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And it lends the whole show

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an air of disunity.

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Like the speakers

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aren't really in this together.

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If your goal is to have

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a successful performance,

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there are little things like this

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that you need to be mindful of.

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And it's just wild to think

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that Alex has been in some form

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of show business or performance

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art for over 20 years,

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and he doesn't seem to know those things.

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Yeah, absolutely. It's basic.

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Now, another thing that happens

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when you surprise introduce somebody,

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then just leave the stage

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is that you completely sandbag them.

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The audience is trained

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to applaud for ends of performances

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and introductions.

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So when, you know, you wrap up

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an intro the next person,

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but they take a while to get on stage,

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the applause will be clapped out

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by the time they get to the podium.

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Instead of being able to ride in

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on a wave of applause and support,

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you're now faced with dying enthusiasm

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as you begin your presentation,

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which puts you in an uphill battle.

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Instead of just getting going,

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you're now kind of in a position

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where you have to win the crowd over,

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which we'll see Tom tries to do

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with the he's, you know, here.

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Let's let's go ahead

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and listen to that here.

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All right.

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It's a little bit difficult

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to follow up on Alex Jones,

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as you might imagine,

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but Alex is going to be

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speaking again later tonight.

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We've got a bunch of great

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speakers coming up.

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See, you try and save it with the

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it's hard to follow Alex Jones

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thinking that'll be like, oh, it is.

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But that's a bad piece of business.

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And unless you follow it up

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with something like a humorous

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anecdote about Alex,

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it's only going to signal

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further weakness

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and prove to the audience

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that you're not in control

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of the situation.

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Like you have like you're

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giving a cop out for why

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I'm not going to be entertaining.

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It's hard to follow Alex.

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It is it is fascinating

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how much of our like

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creating those little moments

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that will turn just an event

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into a fucking show,

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into the illusion of an actual show,

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like those tiny little moments

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can change everything.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And all of our experience

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running these shows is

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very applicable to how poorly

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they're doing.

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They don't understand

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any of these little things.

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It's terrible.

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And simply put, Tom

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Pappert is fucked

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before he even gets on stage.

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And part of it is specifically

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because Alex is a selfish prick

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who doesn't understand

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those little things

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about presentation

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and how to be magnanimous,

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be sort of giving

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with the the space.

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Yeah, it's it's it's unfortunate

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because I mean,

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you could transform

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something from being like, well,

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good luck to whoever comes up next

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to being like, we're all in this,

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you know, give a cohesive feel to it.

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There are people

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who have the talent

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and experience necessary

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to take that awful ending,

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sacrifice their set,

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turn into the host

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and then make the show

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a much better show from there.

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It takes time.

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Tom Pappert is not that guy.

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No, no, no.

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And Alex doesn't do him

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any favors as he,

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you know, goes on.

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Some people like Alex Jones

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here has a track record

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better than the U.S.

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government, the New York Times.

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And yet they still get kicked off.

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It happens each and every day.

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It's a big part of what

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National File is about.

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But we're still here

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in defiance of that.

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That's right, Alex.

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Oh, so

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I can't top Alex Jones, who can?

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Oh, stop it.

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That's in for Pappertine.

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Pappertine is too much fun.

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Alex put Tom in a bad situation

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when he introduced him,

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and predictably,

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Tom is not getting much juice

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going from the audience.

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But to be fair, his role

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is mostly to be the guy

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from National File

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to introduce the speakers

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and plug Alex's website

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because Alex paid for the event.

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So he doesn't really need

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that much reaction

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from the crowd.

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But consider this.

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There have been three people

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on stage so far,

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and all three of them

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have in theory been introducing

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the show as a host.

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Rob Doo is there to vamp

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and like, I guess,

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you know, be like,

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there's not many people here.

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Let's kill some time

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and then bring up Alex.

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Alex is headlining,

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but you can't have an Alex

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Jones event without him

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showing up to say hello.

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And now Tom Pappert

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is there doing the actual start

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of the speakers block

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as the head of National File.

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If I'm in the audience,

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this is already a disorienting

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level of disorganization

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from a production standpoint.

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Even if I didn't hate Alex,

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I would find this very

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unimpressive and probably

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not think that this is going

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to be a show that has much value.

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I don't know what's going on.

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I don't know who's supposed

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to be the guide through this.

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Who's going to come up

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after the next speaker?

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What's going on?

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Are they going to shotgun it?

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I have loved Alex for 20 years

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and I have always imagined

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him to be competent.

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And this is really bad.

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Yeah.

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And you can see Alex reinforce

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this feeling that you'd have

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of distrust for the capability

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of the person on stage

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when he yells shit out.

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Well, Tom, Tom is trying

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to get through his speech.

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Yeah, the headliner

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probably shouldn't heckle.

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Just saying, just saying.

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By Alex interrupting him,

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he's subconsciously

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telling the audience

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that this guy on stage

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isn't worth listening to.

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His value as a speaker is so low

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that you can just yell things out

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whenever you feel like it.

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It's very, very disrespectful

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and it cements in everyone's mind

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that whatever they're claiming

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this event is about,

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it's actually about Alex.

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What words do you want to hear?

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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So that's not great.

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But to be fair, like I said,

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Tom Papert in in terms of this show

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and what it is,

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he can stand to take a bullet.

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Yeah.

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Like he's not the it's

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not going to be a make or break thing,

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but it does give the entire proceeding

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the appearance of just sloppy shit.

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Yeah, he was going to do is

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he was going to do the thing

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in like a fucking bar back room.

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And now he's in.

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He's in this would have been

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much more fitting.

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Yeah.

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Suck it up.

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And Alex gets to be

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the star of the show.

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Take him.

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Take one on the chair.

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And you can constantly

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whenever Alex upstages you

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and humiliates you,

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you can be like,

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ha ha, Alex is too much fun.

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And it doesn't look bad on you.

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Not really.

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I mean, it looks incompetent,

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but it doesn't really look that bad.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So he brings up the first speaker

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official of the day.

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And it's a guy named Patrick Howley

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who works for National File.

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And this guy fancies himself a comedian.

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Oh, no.

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And Hillary Clinton has really been

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on the forefront of this.

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And when she went after

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one of my heroes, Alex Jones,

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I didn't care for that very much.

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And it makes me wonder, man,

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who pissed in their adrenochrome?

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I'll tell you,

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they're drinking something, those elites.

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Did you see Harvey

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Weinstein can walk again?

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Oh, hell yeah.

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Oh, God, we're doing Weinstein.

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This reporter for National Files

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coming out swinging with some of that

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hot adrenochrome humor.

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The joke is a little muddy, though,

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because I think he's trying

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to poke fun at the idea

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that people like Hillary Clinton

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drink children's blood.

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But he's also speaking at an event

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put on by Alex Jones,

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who definitely thinks

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people like Hillary

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drink children's blood.

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Alex talks about that quite a bit.

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It's a it's a central theme.

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The joke point is muddy.

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Yeah, that's why it gets groans.

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So is the joke that somebody

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did put something in her

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feed in her adrenochrome?

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I don't know.

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So so like she

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man, that's not good.

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That's like going to a Chicago

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open mic in ever.

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Yeah, yeah, it is.

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Oh, it's not good.

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It's not good.

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Did you hear it?

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Did you hear in the news?

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I don't know what adrenochrome

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Weinstein was drinking,

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but he can walk.

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Anyway, this is how

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he's introduced as a writer

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for National File,

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but mysteriously absent from his intro

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is that he formerly worked

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at Breitbart and Daily Caller,

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and he founded the absurdly far right

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blog Big League Politics

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and is actually still

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the editor in chief of it.

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In February 2018,

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The Daily Beast reported

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that big league politics

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had been bought by a company

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called Mustard Seed Media,

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which happens to be owned

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by a political consultant

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named Riley O'Neill,

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who had just finished up

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failing to get noted monster

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and alleged pedophile Roy

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Moore elected in Alabama.

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So cool.

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Yeah, that political consultant

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with great integrity

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when it comes to choosing clients

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is now Patrick Howley's boss.

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Great, great.

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Also, I should point out

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that the this financial arrangement

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is really shady,

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considering the fact

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that the guy who owns Mustard Seed

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is still an active political consultant,

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and he's being paid by candidates

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and politicians who are covered

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on big league politics.

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Riley O'Neill runs a consulting firm

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called Tidewater Strategies,

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along with another right wing

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consultant, Noel Fritsch.

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That Daily Beast article points out

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that multiple politicians

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who have paid O'Neill and Fritsch,

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who also they also get

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shockingly positive

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coverage of big league politics,

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like overt white nationalist

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Paul Neelan and former

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Virginia gubernatorial

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candidate Corey Stewart.

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And this seems like a pattern

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with these guys.

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I'll just read to you here

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from the end of this

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Daily Beast article, quote,

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Big League politics

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isn't O'Neill's first foray

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into the political news business,

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and at least one other media property

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he controls has promoted

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his consulting firm's clients.

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First in Freedom Daily,

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a North Carolina centric

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conservative news site

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owned by Mustard Seed Media,

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has promoted political efforts

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by two of O'Neill's clients,

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North State Leadership Council

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and North Carolina Gun Rights.

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Stories promoting

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both of those groups

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were written by Spencer Hardison,

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who works for Tidewater,

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the consulting group.

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Hardison began contributing

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to big league politics this month.

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This is all super shady shit,

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and anyone interested at all

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in any kind of journalistic integrity

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would absolutely never

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have their right wing propaganda blog

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be owned by active

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GOP political consultants.

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Yeah, that's that's probably unethical.

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Yeah, I'll say that.

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It's it's a parity level.

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I'll say that might be corrupt appearances.

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I'll say that might be unethical, yeah.

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But what frustrates me most is

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apparently he has some sort of

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syllabic meter requirements

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for his names.

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Mustard Seed Media,

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Big League politics,

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it's all got the same meter to it.

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It's interesting that that's what you

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fixated on. Wow.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So beyond being a dumb dumb...

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I expect corruption.

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Beyond being a dumb dumb

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and a sell out.

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I'm not particularly interested

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in Patrick Howley.

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He's very boring and not funny,

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as evidenced by the groans

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he got for that

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Drenichrome joke.

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And so we're not going to listen

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to anything more than him.

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Drenichrome.

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Now, when Patrick gets done

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with his speech,

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he introduces the next speaker.

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So they're shotgun hosting it?

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Apparently.

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OK.

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Did anybody say that?

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They don't have another host come up.

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Patrick just brings Milly Weaver

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to stage.

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She's speaking next.

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Who's got the chops and experience

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to really bring this whole thing

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together? Holy shit.

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She's got the goods.

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She's got it.

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So her rainbow snatch coming

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in to save the day.

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Here, Milly talks about how

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Alex Jones woke her up.

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So how did I get woken up?

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Who woke me up?

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Who?

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This man sitting here in this room,

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Alex Jones.

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Alex Jones is what

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started my trajectory

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into media.

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And ever since then,

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I have been working hard to expose

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the truth and get the truth out

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there.

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So Milly Weaver speaking next in her

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speech starts by talking

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about how Democrats and liberals are

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just dumb people who don't know the

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truth yet.

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She knows this firsthand because she

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used to be one.

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And then, as you heard, she gives

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Alex credit for waking her up and now

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she's smart.

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This is particularly funny because

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I'm old enough to remember when Milly

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Weaver tweeted out, quote, Dear

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Libtards who think Facebook is a

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privately owned business.

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There's a thing called fact checking.

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Facebook is a public business that's

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publicly traded.

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Using that argument to justify banning

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Alex Jones doesn't work.

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She got us.

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Nailed it.

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She was woken up to the smartest

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truth there is.

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It's so awesome when these dumdums

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get so convinced that they're right

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about something that they shoot off

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some completely inaccurate thing

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while chastising people to fact

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check.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Dunning Kruger, we're like this.

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It'll never get this far.

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Like it's bad.

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Milly can say that Alex woke her up

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to reality all she wants, but I would

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propose that a different phenomenon

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is at work here, and that is that

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Alex provided her with a lucrative

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outlet where she could be marginally

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famous and there was absolutely no

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hard work or accountability required.

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That might feel like waking up to

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you, but it's not.

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It's called copping out.

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I steadfastly refused to believe

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that to take anyone saying

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that Alex Jones woke them up

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seriously.

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When it's just a normal everyday

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person saying it, I think it sounds a

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little more reasonable because Alex

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can be persuasive and the simplicity

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of his worldview is seductive.

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You can experience that as waking

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up, but that's not really what it

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is. It's more just being

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indoctrinated into a bad thinking

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pattern.

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Yeah, cult leaders can make you

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believe just about anything.

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Yeah.

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And one of the reasons is that bad

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thinking pattern is satisfying.

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It's very easy and it feels good,

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mostly because it allows you to

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imagine that all the other people in

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the world are blind to the obvious

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reality that you've woken up to.

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And nothing is your fault ever.

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It's intellectual junk food, just

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empty calories.

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For someone like Millie, however,

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when I hear her say that Alex woke

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her up, there's absolutely zero

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chance that she isn't full of shit.

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I just refuse to believe that anyone

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could work at Infowars and be paying

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attention at all to what's said on

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the network without realizing that

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Alex is just making up most of it

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and basically nothing is real.

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Yeah. The only way you could

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maintain respect for Alex working

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there is to have no principles or

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to basically just be sleepwalking

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through life and not paying

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attention to anything he says, which

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I would say is the opposite of being

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woken up.

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Yeah, that's that's like being put

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back to back to sleep, isn't it?

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Rocked like a little baby.

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Oh, you don't have to worry about

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anything ever again.

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Just say it's the liberals fault.

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It's globalists.

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This is a feel good story for Millie

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to tell how she was a dumb liberal

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until a stupid Texan yelled at her

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and showed her what reality really

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looks like. But it's bullshit.

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It's just effective at manipulating

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people who might be disaffected

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liberals or independents.

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You know, it's kind of like a right

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wing propaganda version of come on

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in. The water's fine.

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That's the reason why all of

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these right wing grifters magically

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have some form of this back story

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from Candace Owens to Brandon

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Straka of the walk away movement

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hashtag walk away.

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They all have the same thing.

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It's all because it's

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almost like giving permission to

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the listener to like, you can do it.

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Hey, I was I

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was a liberal and then I was

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offered good money for no work.

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And now I'm not.

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And you too can do

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that.

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Oh, boy.

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So Millie is not it's not very

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long speech.

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It's sort of appreciative to

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Alex or like celebrating

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Alex a little bit.

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And then she gets into a story

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that she I've heard her talk about

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before. I find no real

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compelling. Did she kill a dog?

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No.

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She was covering the Kentucky

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government gubernatorial race,

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and she has a conspiracy about

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it that I've heard her bring up a

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couple of times and I don't find it

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compelling. But it's interesting.

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She says something while talking

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about this story in this

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speech that she should be deeply

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ashamed of.

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I went forward, I pushed it.

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I told everyone what was going on.

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But some of that information.

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We couldn't release

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because in doing so, we would

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have been releasing information that

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could potentially put us in prison,

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just like Julian Assange

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and how many

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journalists out there are sitting

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on information that they would love

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to release, but

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they can't.

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But those who were brave, like

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Julian Assange, those

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who were brave.

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I mean, even Chelsea Manning,

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I mean, even Manning, whatever

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you want to call those

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people that were brave,

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what look what's happening to them.

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So like I said,

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I I pray for Julian Assange.

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Great that she thinks misgendering

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is funny.

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Also, if you listen carefully, what

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Millie Weaver just did is say into

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a hot mic that she's a coward.

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She's talking about some hot scoop

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that she had about how there was

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election meddling in the Kentucky

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gubernatorial race that saw

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incumbent Matt Bevin lose his

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bid for reelection.

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There's no proof that this election

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was stolen. But here, Millie is

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saying that she has information that

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would prove that it was, but she

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can't release it because she's

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afraid of the consequences.

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She's worried about what would

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happen to her personally if she

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reveals this information.

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So she's keeping it to herself and

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allowing a fraudulent election to

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stand.

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I don't believe her at all.

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But if what she was saying were

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true, she's a piece of shit.

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What happened to the Infowars model,

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a motto of being the tip of the

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spear? What happened to the we're

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the ones who hit the barbed wire

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talk? Where's that kamikaze

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mentality that Alex screams about

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all the time?

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You dare call yourself an

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investigative journalist and then

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claim that you have proof that an

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election was stolen, but you're not

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telling anyone what that proof is

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because you don't want the headache

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of what can happen to you

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afterwards.

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Even the dramatized imaginary

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version of herself that Millie is

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presenting at this speech should be

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ashamed.

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Sometimes investigative journalism

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means uncovering things that's a

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risk to your comfort.

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That's kind of just part of the

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gig.

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Like, imagine Upton Sinclair

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discovering what he did about the

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U.S. meatpacking industry

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and then just deciding, well, this

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could lead to trouble. I would keep

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it to myself. I mean, you know,

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or imagine how many things Glenn

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Greenwald could have kept to

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himself. Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, there are some things he

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should have, but maybe for the most

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part, he's doing a great job.

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No one has a perfect batting

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average.

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The line of work Millie and all the

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Infowars people pretend to be

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in is one that requires hard

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work, skill and a certainty of

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conscience.

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A crisis point could come at any

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time when you learn something that

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the public needs to know, but

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revealing it could be bad to you

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personally.

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And if you pursue this kind of

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work, you need to decide well ahead

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of time that, come what may, you're

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serving the public interest.

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Damn the torpedoes.

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Millie's work shows that she

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doesn't have the skill, nor does

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she put in the hard work that the

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job requires.

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And comments like that one that she

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had shows that she doesn't have the

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constitution for it either.

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This is embarrassing shit.

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Even in her mythologizing,

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she's literally saying.

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We should be grateful

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and proud of the people who are

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brave, like Julian Assange and

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not unlike me.

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Yeah, I am very clearly

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a coward in comparison to

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breath to Julian Assange.

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Her speech is basically just the

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bottom line is I'm not cut out.

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Yeah.

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She's just saying like, I suck,

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dudes, I suck.

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Right. And in the meantime, I'm

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going to insult a

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trans hero,

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a fucking true goddamn

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hero and joke that they're

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lying about who is doing who did

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everything that they pretend to have

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the principles necessary to do.

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They should be shamed by Chelsea

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Manning and instead they're mocking

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her. And that's probably because

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they are ashamed of themselves.

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Also, Millie should probably feel

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weird about being such an advocate

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for Matt Bevin.

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After he lost reelection, he went

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on a bit of a pardoning spree.

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According to NPR, quote, in one

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case, Bevin pardoned a man convicted

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of homicide.

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That man's family raised more than

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twenty thousand dollars at a

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political fundraiser to help Bevin

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pay off a debt owed from his 2015

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gubernatorial campaign.

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Yeah.

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Another one of the people Bevin

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pardoned was a 41 year old man who

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had been convicted of raping a nine

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year old.

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He pardoned another guy who'd killed

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his parents.

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And then there was the guy he

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pardoned who was, quote, convicted

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of beheading a female coworker and

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hiding her mutilated body in a

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barrel.

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He also pardoned a woman who had

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been convicted of attempting to hire

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a hit man to kill her child's father

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and his wife and to make it look

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like a murder, suicide.

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Interestingly, that woman was a

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friend of Bevin's sister

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who had testified in her defense

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during the trial.

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Overall, he pardoned four hundred

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and twenty eight people and

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mysteriously, ninety five

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percent of them were white.

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Bevin's actions before leaving

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office were so shocking and

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offensive that even noted morally

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dubious character Mitch McConnell

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called it inappropriate.

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Matt Bevin is a disgusting piece of

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shit, but he was the candidate that

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Trump was behind in that election.

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So him losing must be proof of theft

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to an Infowars employee.

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Hey, look, I'm not going to part.

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Look, I'm pardoning a lot of people.

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Not all good.

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Not all Trump did say, hey, not

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all of them. Good. What are you

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going to do? You're going to get

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some bad apples in the I'm

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choosing to pardon list.

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And sure, Bevin pardoned convicted

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murderers and pedophiles.

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Almost all of them are white.

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So this isn't a problem for an

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intrepid reporter like Millie.

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Yeah. And I assume plenty of them

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similarly

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saw money go towards Bevins.

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I'm not sure. The only

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specific case of that

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was that murder.

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Yeah. I don't know if

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there are more because I think a

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number of the people that he did

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let out were people who you and I

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just independent of all other

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context, they shouldn't be OK.

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Good. You know, some nonviolent

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defenders, you know, but some

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four hundred and twenty eight

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people, some of them are like, all

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right, good. Good job on that.

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All be murdered. Right.

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Right. Yeah. But that's what you

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do. You part in a whole bunch of

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people in order to try and mask

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the campaign fundraiser who

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murdered a guy. Right.

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Jesus. Yeah.

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I twenty thousand seems pretty

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cheap for a murder pardon.

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Like, well, he had a debt he

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needed to pay and this got

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him out of that debt.

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Why are people doing this to

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outgoing governors?

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Just start raising money to

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outgoing governors to get a

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pardon for your loved one who

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murdered somebody.

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Not all of them are blatantly

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corrupt.

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I'm not saying all of them are,

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but I'm sure you could find a

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couple. Sure.

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We got Blago here.

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He might still pardon somebody.

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I saw on his Twitter.

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He's getting ready to pardon.

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Yeah.

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So Millie's speech is

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pretty short and very

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embarrassing. And she should

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really feel bad about it.

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Yeah. Yeah. I doubt she will,

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though. I don't think she

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understands the implications of

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the things that she says.

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Understanding is hard.

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So now when she's done,

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we get a host.

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But it's not Tom Pappert.

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It's Rob Doo.

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Rob Doo is coming back.

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Yes.

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It makes no sense.

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Rob Doo of Doo's News?

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Millie Weaver is proof that

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conservatives are way better

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looking than liberals.

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That's not good.

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I don't. What?

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What does that mean?

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I've seen, watched Millie's

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work grow and evolve

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throughout the many years.

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And one of the great

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collaborations was

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helping her get

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Rainbow Snatch and birthed that

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into being.

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So really, if

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you've seen her Rainbow Snatch

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videos, they're off the hook.

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Strange brag.

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Wow.

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So now we know who to blame for

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that.

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I don't understand how

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you can be a woman

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and still be there.

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Like just even that.

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It's weird that I were

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the first thing that they say,

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the first thing is look at how

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good she looks.

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Right.

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If I were if I were producing

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a comedy show and the host said

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something like that about a

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female comic who was on the

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lineup, I would never get the

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fuck out of here.

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Yeah. I don't know if I would

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kick them off the show because

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I might be too.

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That might be really bad

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for everyone involved, but I

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would be sure to never book

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them again in that

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capacity, especially as a

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host. I mean, it's just

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inappropriate behavior.

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Yeah, that's it.

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Hasn't hurt.

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Attractiveness or

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unattractiveness has nothing to

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do with why you're here, what

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she's bringing to the table and

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her extensible value

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as a person and to make

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it always constantly about

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attractiveness and sexiness

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is demeaning on a level very

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demeaning.

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Yeah, it's and you'll see more

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of it.

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And they just keep it.

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Hey, look, I know you put

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shit in my face for the fourth

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time, but I swear to God one

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more time. That is my line in

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the sand.

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And I mean, I think that I

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think that there's an

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interesting conversation

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possibly about like it not

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bothering Milly, and that's

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fine. She has the right to not

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be bothered by it, but it's

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still just shit behavior.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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So we get another guest here.

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Rob brings up another speaker

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and he has an interesting

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complaint about the scammers

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on the right, the people like

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Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder

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and all them.

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They're too successful.

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All of our esteemed

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thinkers then go to college

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campuses.

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And this is my favorite charade

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that they do.

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And during the

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Q&A at their events, people

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like Charlie Kirk will destroy

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the 19 year old

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feminist lesbian willy hair

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and claim that as like this

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gigantic win for conservatism.

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It's a sad and pathetic shtick

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that's been done over and over

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and over again by people

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who work in politics for a

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living against kids who are

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just developing political

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ideologies.

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Now, I'm going to grant the

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people like Steven Crowder,

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Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk.

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They have been way, way

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more successful at monetizing

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their game of dunking on people

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on the street and pretending

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they've demonstrated a point.

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But it should be pointed out

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that this is what approximately

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80 percent of Info Wars field

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pieces are like.

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That number goes up to 90 if

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you're just talking about Owen

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Schroyer's work.

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See, what they're really

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struggling with is they

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haven't figured out how to edit

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the video to make them look

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good.

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See, Ben Shapiro and those

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guys, they edit the videos to

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make it look like they did do a

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good job.

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I think some of the Info Wars

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ones are successful in

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that editing aspect.

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All right. But I just also

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think that maybe they're not as

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good now.

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We've just seen too many times.

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It's more it's more yelling.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's it's more yelling based

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than Ben Shapiro's like fast

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talking points and stuff.

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I don't know.

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So this guy's name is Pete

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DeBrasca.

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He was trying to run for the U.S.

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House in North Carolina, but he

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didn't qualify for the GOP

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primary ballot.

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The problem was that Pete

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registered to vote as a

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Republican at his address on

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December 3rd, but he filed as a

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candidate too quickly thereafter.

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The North Carolina GOP has a rule

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that candidates are invalid if

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they file to run within 90 days

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of registering as a Republican,

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which as far as rules go, makes

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total sense to me.

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Why would you wouldn't want

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someone just showing up and

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swooping in?

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I'll register on the day of the

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primary, even though I may not be

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a Republican and I'll just do

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whatever I want.

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Yeah, of course, because Pete is

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the kind of guy who would show up

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at an Info Wars rally.

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He's decided that he's the victim

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in this whole thing.

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There we go.

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He promised to challenge this

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decision.

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Of course.

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Honestly, it's pathetic how these

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guys can't just say, I wasn't

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aware of that rule and honestly, I

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should have planned this out a

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little better, could have had

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everything in order.

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I'll take that as a lesson.

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I'll follow the rules next time.

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It can't do that.

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Imagine one of these people just

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finally saying, whoops, that's

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on me.

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That's my bad.

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That's on me.

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My bad, guys.

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My bad.

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Every instance of them being

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incompetent is proof of a

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conspiracy to keep the real

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conservatives down or some shit.

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It's such a weak, cowardly

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posture, particularly coming from

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the people who have a habit of

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lecturing people about personal

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responsibility.

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Jared Holt's headline at Right

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Wing Watch really sums this up

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perfectly.

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Quote, anti-immigrant bloggers

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dreams of Congress crushed by own

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incompetence.

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According to Jared's article,

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good lead, Jared.

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Pete's lawyer's argument in the

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appeal was, quote, what's the harm

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of putting Mr.

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Tiabrasca on the ballot?

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It's not good

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when your lawyer's best shot is

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basically winking and saying,

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come on, come on.

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Tubal King.

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Does that work?

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His appeal was unanimously.

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Oh, come on.

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Yeah, come on.

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This guy, Pete, is a dumb dumb,

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but he's a dumb dumb who wants to

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end all immigration and has a

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story about running for Congress

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that can be spun in a way as to

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make him look like a victim.

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So he gets a speaking spot at

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this rally. Those two things tend

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to go hand in hand.

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Yeah, it was about at this point

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in the rally when I was watching

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it that I started to get a little

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bit depressed.

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The audience is thin, which

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wouldn't be a problem if they

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weren't for the mythology of

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Infowars alleged popularity.

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But then these speakers are just

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the worst and not in the sense

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that they're horrible people,

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though they are.

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They're just awful speakers.

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Patrick Howley was trying to be

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funny and just whiffed.

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Millie Weaver is a monotone snooze

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who gave a speech mostly about how

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she has no spine.

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And now there's this guy up here

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doing whatever he's doing.

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As I went to the store and I got a

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six pack at about this point,

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watching it.

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Fuck, this really doesn't feel

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like anybody wrote their speech

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more than 20 minutes before they

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were about to go up.

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You know what Pete did?

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He had a long, he had

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a bunch of paper.

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He was ready.

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I can listen to hours of Infowars

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bullshit and even some other

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particularly unsavory shit and just

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keep moving. But there's such an air

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of sadness and incompetence

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surrounding this free speech summit.

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It really bummed me out.

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There's the illusion when you're

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just listening to the show that

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you're listening along with

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thousands of other people.

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But when you see that you're at a

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show sparsely attended,

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even if you're online with only

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30 people around is

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it's a lot sadder.

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Yeah, it's a lot sad.

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And that's why for the Infowars

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feed, they went into a tight shot.

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Yeah, that's a smart move.

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Yeah, that's a very smart move.

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Yeah.

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And I think when you watch the

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actual show, it's much more of a

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controlled environment and a lot of

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those production aspects of it can

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be handled much more easily.

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Right. Right. And on the fly.

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Yeah.

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So anyway,

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like I like I mentioned, Pete,

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he's up there and he's

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complaining about these right wing

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people going out and dunking

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on college kids and random people

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on the street, not recognizing

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that's a central piece of the

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Infowars business model.

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Yeah, that's basically what we do.

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But he also is super anti

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immigrant. And one of his arguments

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seems to be that they don't share

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American values.

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And he he talks about he

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uses a statistic here that I think

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is a real teachable moment.

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You get thrown in jail.

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The force of the government will be

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brought against you for hate speech

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when we are replaced by foreigners,

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which is what is happening.

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Replace 62 percent of

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Hispanics actually admitted to

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not respecting others rights to

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freedom of speech.

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So I'm looking forward

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to the new America.

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I don't know about you guys.

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So this dude is like he's against

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illegal immigration.

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He's also against legal immigration.

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Sure. He does not give a fuck.

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Close the borders. Make it white.

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So the pitch he's in the middle of

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here is trying to demonstrate that

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the fundamental rights that Americans

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have are not valued by immigrants.

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But what he's doing is actually

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misusing statistics.

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There's no reason for him to

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cite statistics about Hispanic

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attitudes towards free speech and

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then apply that to immigrants.

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He has absolutely no way of knowing

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what proportion of the Hispanic

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people in that study were born in

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the United States or citizens or

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immigrated here.

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He's just conflating Hispanic with

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immigrant, which is kind of the

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point for people like him.

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Nonwhite.

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The conversation they're having

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appears to be about immigration,

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but the very loud subtext is

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nonwhite.

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I mean, we'd love if Swedish people

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came over, but that's not

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immigration. They were born here,

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probably or whatever.

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Also, this 62 percent number

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he's citing about Hispanics not

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respecting others rights.

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This is an example of him not

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understanding the things he reads.

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This comes from a 2017 study

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published by the Cato Institute.

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But the question wasn't, do you

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respect others rights?

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The question as posed in the study

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was if, quote, people who don't

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respect others don't deserve the

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right of free speech.

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That's not the same question.

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I can understand how if you're

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already postured to hate Hispanic

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people and you're looking for ways

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to justify your feelings, you could

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get sloppy and choose this, but it

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doesn't work.

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Also, 36 percent of white people

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answered the question the same way.

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So wrestle with that.

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Get them out of here.

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Wrestle with that.

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Also, this is probably from

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Sweden. Oh, no, this is a classic

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case of cherry picking.

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He can take this stat, misrepresent

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it and use it to argue that if

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there are more Hispanic people in

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the country, then free speech will

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be gone. But he seems to not want

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to report that in the same study,

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77 percent of Hispanic people

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agreed that, quote, it would be

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difficult to ban hate speech since

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people can't agree on what hate

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speech is.

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Seems to indicate a reticence to

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actually ban this stuff.

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And this is with a Cato Institute

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poll. So God knows what

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the fucking bullshit they're

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throwing around even includes.

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Now, if I wanted to, I could have

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some fun with that study.

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And I could tell you that 44

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percent of Republicans in that

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study said Holocaust deniers

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shouldn't be allowed to speak on

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college campuses.

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Oh, no, they're in trouble then.

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Also, I should point out that 47

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percent of Republicans said that

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people who publicly criticize or

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disrespect the police should not

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be allowed to speak at college

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campuses.

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So I guess you could draw the

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conclusion that from that study,

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Republicans prefer Holocaust

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denial to questioning the police.

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The numbers on that study certainly

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reflect that. But where does that

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get us? Really?

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It's cherry picking numbers and

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connecting them where they may not

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be connected.

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I mean, but also that does kind

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of track for you emotionally.

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Sure.

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I don't know if it's an

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appropriate use of the study to

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have that.

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I'm not making that.

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That's not the lead there.

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There's a lot of numbers in that

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study and you can do a lot of

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things with them if you want to.

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It's usually best to know what the

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questions that were being asked

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that lead to the stat is, though.

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But expecting that of this Pete guy

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seems like a big ask.

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Man, that's that's a heartening

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level of response from Republicans,

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considering they don't even know

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how many Holocaust deniers that

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they support on a regular basis.

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Well, this gets back to that.

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Seventy seven percent of people in

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this Hispanic community not wanting

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to ban free speech, you know, hate

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speech because we can't decide

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what it is. Of course, there's a

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whole lot of people who are like,

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what is Holocaust denial?

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Yeah, right.

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Yeah, not good.

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So Alex seems

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to not be into this dude's speech.

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It's a bit boring.

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Sure. He's talking about, like,

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policy things.

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Get out of here.

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And Alex cuts him off.

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Of course, he cuts him off.

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Get the fuck out of here with your

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policy speech.

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American kids are propagandized for

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18 years in government schools by

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the government itself to say

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college is the end all be all.

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You have to go to college if you do

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not go to college.

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You will not be successful.

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You will you will stay dumb

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and unenlightened like your parents

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are who live back home.

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And it is absolutely

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terrible.

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OK, I'm going to I'm going to do

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that to

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to I'm almost done.

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I promise.

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You're good.

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There's going to kick us out of

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town. We got a bunch of those

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bigger. You can't get asked, man.

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I love you.

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You're awesome.

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Oh, boy.

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The audience is laughing because

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Alex has walked up on stage.

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It is standing next to him

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ominously like you've got to get

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off stage.

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That is exactly how I used to run

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and open my year past

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your five many up there next to

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you.

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So now Alex is

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the host, even though Rob do

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introduce the last naturally.

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It's incoherent.

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It's very it's very rough.

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But because Pete was kind of

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droning on, it was a little bit

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boring, low energy.

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Alex realizes he's got to win the

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room back over.

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And so, you know, Pete was talking

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about how evil immigration is as

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a whole. So Alex takes that theme

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and starts screaming about it.

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We love people from India,

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Mexico, Eastern Europe, wherever.

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But they're being used as a tool

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to destroy our American republic.

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And so we have a right.

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Water is a wonderful thing.

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But if a dam breaks the pleasure

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town, it's a bad thing.

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And so we love our fellow humans.

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We want a probably a future.

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But he's right.

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The globalists are using

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uncontrolled immigration as

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a weapon, as a giant sucking

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sound like the late great

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patriot from Texas, Ross Perot

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said, to lower our wages.

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And we see it as a weapon and

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we resisted.

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So Alex gets the audience back

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engaged with some real

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performative outrage.

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You can see like him turning it

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on. You're watching the videos.

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All right, man.

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Yeah, it was fake and I just got

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to snap this back into place and

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then we'll keep moving.

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Yep. So he brings

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up another Steve Harvey on the

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feud. He's like, oh, we just had

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a we just had a real bad answer.

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I'm going to be a Steve Harvey

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real quick and we'll get this

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back to Steve Harvey.

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You know, exactly.

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So Alex introduces the next

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speaker and much like Rob

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couldn't come on stage.

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And after Millie, without saying

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that she was hot, Alex has the

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same instinct with

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this young lady.

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Deanna Lorraine is amazing.

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She's so smart.

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She's bubbly. She's on fire

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and she's running

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against Nancy

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Pelosi.

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Yeah, Lorraine.

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Yeah.

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Get up there.

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Wow.

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A sexy lady who's smart.

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That's crazy.

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Thanks for being here with us.

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So the next speaker up is Deanna

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Lorraine, who was recently a

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guest on Alex's show, and we

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talked about her a little bit.

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I'm not particularly interested in

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her since barring divine

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intervention, we have we'll have no

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idea who she is in about six

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months.

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She's got this crowd excited

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because they're acting like she's

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running against Nancy Pelosi.

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But she hasn't even won the GOP

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primary yet.

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There's a decent chance she's not

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making that general election.

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So this is a classic counting

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chicken situation.

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Yeah. Anyway, vaccine chickens.

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Yes.

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I'm noticing a bit of a trend at

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this point when I'm watching it.

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It seems like a number of these

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speakers are actually just

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hopelessly lost congressional

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candidates who will take whatever

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stage time they can get.

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Pete isn't even on the ballot.

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And he was up there giving a stump

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speech about his policy platform.

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He's ready.

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And now Deanna Lorraine is here to

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campaign.

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It's almost like a political

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sideshow where, you know, the

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people who aren't even serious

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enough to be at CPAC are trying

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to pick up whatever scraps they can

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find. And that's a real bummer to

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be on the sideshow when the main

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show involved Diamond and Silk,

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Carpe Donkdom and Rick from Pawn

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Stars.

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Carpe Donkdom was there?

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Sees the donk.

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He was. Oh, God.

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What did he have a slideshow?

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Probably. Yeah, I don't know.

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I didn't see video of it.

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I would assume so.

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So Deanna has

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a bit of a stunt

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that she pulled that she wants to

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brag about. It seems to be she

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pulled a computer chip out of a

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homeless guy. No, although

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that does happen at the end of this

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rally.

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So Deanna gets it to talk

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about this stuff. It's just very

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sad. So what I did in response

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to that, that bitch move

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of hers, excuse my language, but

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we're allowed to have free speech

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as I flew a plane around

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San Francisco that said Pelosi

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for prison because

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we need to have her accountable

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for her crimes against America.

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And it is thank you.

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It's the most liberal district of

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America. And people said, oh, no,

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don't fly a plane around that says

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Pelosi for prison.

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That's not something you should do.

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So Deanna is asserting here that San

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Francisco is the most liberal

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district in the United States.

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And first of all, San Francisco is

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not a district.

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She's talking about California's

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12th congressional district, which

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doesn't actually even contain all of

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San Francisco.

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Some of Southern San Francisco is

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in the 14th district.

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Also, California's

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12th is not the most liberal

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district in the country.

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This measurement is captured by the

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Cook Political Reports Partisan

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Voter Index, or the PVI.

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Since it started in 1997, the PVI

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is considered one of the most solid

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tools in terms of understanding

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partisan leanings broken down on a

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granular level in every

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congressional district.

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California's 12th district has a

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Democrat plus 37 PVI,

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which is a strong leaning Democrat

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district for sure.

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There's no arguing with that.

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However, you don't have

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to look very far to find a stronger

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leaning district because California's

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13th as a PVI of Democrat

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plus 40.

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The District of Columbia has Democrat

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plus 43.

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Illinois' seventh has Democrat plus

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38.

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New York's fifth is plus 37.

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The seventh is plus 38.

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And the 13th is plus 43.

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Pennsylvania's second district is

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Democrat plus 40.

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And the actually the most liberal

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district in the country is New York's

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15th coming in at plus 44.

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And no, that is not where

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez got elected.

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She's from the 14th district, which

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is only Democrat plus 29.

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San Francisco isn't the most liberal

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district in the country, but it feels

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like it to these sort of hardcore

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conservatives because the city

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and the surrounding area played such

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an important role in the activism in

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the 60s in the civil rights movement.

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This lingers to this day to make San

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Francisco a cultural villain to

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conservatives.

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So it feels like the most liberal

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district, but it's not.

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And honestly, this feels more like

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Deanna giving herself excuses for

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why she's inevitably going to lose

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this election.

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Hopefully not in the GOP primary,

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though. Hard to argue the liberal

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district excuse there.

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Yeah, that one's trouble.

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I would assume that people were

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advising her not to rent out a

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plane, not because the

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district's too liberal, but because

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her candidacy is a farce.

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And it seems like a waste of money.

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And I mean, not just that,

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but, you know, like come up with an

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original idea.

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Lady.

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Oh, you fit the blank.

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Yeah. What are we not going to put

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in prison?

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Hey, man, if it's not broke, don't

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fix it. Just put liberals for

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prison in there. That's great.

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All right. Yeah.

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So here's the thing, though.

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All you liberals go to prison.

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Here's the thing, though.

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You fly that plane around.

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It's going to cause a response.

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And Deanna has proof of this.

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That look at that asshole plane

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up there. I'm going to tell you in

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advance, I don't believe this is

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real. OK, I'm just I hope this is

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OK, but I'm going to play a little

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20 second voicemail from someone

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that that saw my Pelosi

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for prison banner in the air in San

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Francisco.

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I'm just going to play a quick clip.

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Why don't you call?

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And this is what he said.

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And I just wanted to say thank you,

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say fuck you.

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And I can't believe that we have

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fascists who are trying to run

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for office locally.

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Please report to jail immediately

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or keep on going where

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you're going.

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Maybe you'll end up in a death camp

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where we're going.

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So probably you shall

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begin to make your rapist

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America, make your racist America

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great again, make your rapist

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American. So these are the people

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that we're up against.

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You guys, we are at war

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and we need to fight.

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We need to fight.

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These are the real fascists.

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I don't believe for a second that

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that's a real voicemail that

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someone who saw her plane.

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Get the fuck out.

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Here's a couple of reasons why.

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The first is that that voicemail

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started with a guy saying, I got

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your text message.

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What seems weird?

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She texted him about how she

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texted everybody.

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Did you see the plane that I flew?

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Why is Deanna texting with a guy

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who's allegedly leaving a random

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voicemail after seeing her Pelosi

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plane? That makes no sense.

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Now, second, the idea that someone

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who doesn't like her Pelosi plane

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would call her and say that she's

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going to death camps because that's

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where we're going.

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That's absurd.

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The first problem is with this is

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that the whole death camps think

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that's primarily an obsession of

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the right people like Alex and

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Deanna.

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Alex has been yelling about FEMA

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camps being right around the corner

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for over a decade.

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And in that time, I've never heard

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any of his enemies really suggest

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that they were interested in putting

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people in.

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Oh, yeah. Liberals are always

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putting people in death camps.

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Dan, the angry Democrat who

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threatens to put you in a camp

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because you're a conservative is a

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conservative boogeyman.

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Not a real thing.

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But more importantly, she's fucking

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up the whole game here.

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The death camps and shit are

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supposed to be being pushed by

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people who are super far to the

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left, the socialists and communists

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and whatnot.

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That's where the fear narrative is

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supposed to live.

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The people who are supposed to want

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to make those camps are also

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the people on the left who don't

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really like Nancy Pelosi that

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much.

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The idea that you're going to offend

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a leftist by bashing Pelosi is

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laughable.

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They may vote for her over a

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wingding like Deanna or whoever

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beats Deanna in the GOP primary.

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But this is a little bit much.

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I have literally zero doubt that

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Deanna had some record that for her

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so she could play it and show how

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much her plane is pissing off the

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Dems.

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That's the only currency these

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idiots have.

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The notion that their ideas and

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actions have value because they make

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their political opposition angry.

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It's honestly super sad.

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Yeah.

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Also, I saw a picture of the banner

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that she flew and it doesn't have a

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phone number on it.

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Interestingly,

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though, the image she has on her

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campaign website of the plane with a

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banner behind it is one a hundred

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percent a shitty Photoshop job.

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Great. It's embarrassingly clunky.

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Like it's a banner flying behind an

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airplane. It has perfectly right

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angles on it.

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It's directed exactly at the camera.

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It has no shadows or wrinkles or

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anything. Great.

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It's very, very sad.

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Great stuff.

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Deanna posted a picture of the

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banner with the caption, quote, it's

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raining liberal tears in San

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Francisco right now.

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Just sad.

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I have no other words for how lame

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and terrible it is.

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I don't know.

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No words for how lame and desperate

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that. Yeah, but she did actually

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fly it because I did see pictures

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elsewhere of the banner.

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Yeah. Of course, it's like folded

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over itself as any

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banner.

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Yeah. And so I think that she

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saw that and was like, that doesn't

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look good on my on my website.

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I'm going to Photoshop.

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I can't take a picture that says

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put Lee for a son.

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You can still read it.

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It just doesn't look smooth.

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Yeah.

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So desperate.

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God, that's sad.

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Very sad.

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And listen to that voicemail to that

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is not somebody who's angry.

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No, that's someone reading a script.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's somebody being like, OK, and

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you are a fascist.

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And so we are going to keep going

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on that. You're a fascist, right?

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Going to a death camp.

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Check that box.

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Oh, death camp.

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All right.

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You're a bad person.

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Anyways, see you at brunch tomorrow.

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Bye.

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So she's done.

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We get another speaker that Alex is

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now taking over as just the host, I

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guess, because he comes up

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and he's a megalomaniac.

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He's got you back sooner or later.

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But hey, we're here.

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Enrique, get up here and kick

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their ass.

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And we're four drinks in

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I can see the last

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guy right here.

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We got some secret measures were

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developed on this guy right now.

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And we're six dreams.

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Get ready.

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Boom. Yeah.

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It should be pointed out.

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Alex is clearly pretty drunk

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by this point.

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Yeah, it gets way worse later.

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Yeah, it's it's this

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is where it's really showing.

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Yeah.

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So the next speaker is Enrique

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Torrio, the head of the Proud Boys.

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The mind reels at what sort

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of secret missions Alex is referring

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to that he has planned with them.

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It could either be not masturbating,

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naming a bunch of serials or

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elaborate plots to spring Roger

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Stone from prison.

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Who knows? It could be any of those

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could be any of those things.

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Or they could just terrorize a non

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white person.

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It's a good day.

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But beyond that, Torrio is another

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hopelessly doomed, aspiring

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congressional candidate.

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He's running for a house seat in

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Florida and there's no chance in

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hell he's winning.

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And I doubt he's even going to

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win the primary.

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Yeah. As we know, without Stone in

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Florida, you got no chance.

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This event, for all its pretense of

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being a free speech summit, really

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just feels like a rally for

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xenophobic, extreme right wing

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candidates who aren't even actually

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candidates yet.

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I promise we're not the KKK.

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I promise we're not the KKK.

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The vibe is grim.

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Yeah, the room is still not full.

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And the more exotic congressional

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candidates they have coming and

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giving speeches, the more it feels

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like people desperately trying to

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assert their relevance to a bunch of

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empty chairs.

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I don't know how else to put it, but

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this is a bummer.

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Not because of the kind of evil

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that it pretends.

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Yeah, like Trump's rallies are a

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bummer because they're scary.

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Yeah, this is a bummer because it's

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a bummer. It's a sad, sad,

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sad, sad world.

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Yes, definitely.

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I think it's they have to

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be like it has to

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start dawning on these right wing

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grifters that they got pushed out

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by their own grift.

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Yes. You know, like CPAC

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used to be for normal people and

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then they got their own big

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place where they got to be

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conspiracy crazies.

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And now CPAC is the conspiracy

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crazies. They're stealing their

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conspiracy crazies.

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So they're going to a shitty

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conspiracy crazy.

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There's a divergence in the road

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of like, what is OK,

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grifter crazy and what is not.

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And Alex and all of these people

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are decidedly on the side of

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we might use you if we need

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right. Right.

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We are never going to let you at

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the table. Right.

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People like James O'Keefe and

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Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk

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are speakers headlining

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feature speakers at CPAC.

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Yeah. These people are in a

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quarter full ballroom, but they

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had to rent out themselves and

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they're sad.

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Yeah. I feel like this is like

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Wal-Mart moved in on the

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conspiracy grifter and

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pushed all these mom and pop

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conspiracy grifters into the Nazi

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territory.

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Hey, I mean, look, that's a

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little bit of a simple analogy,

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but there might be something

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behind it.

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Weird phrase.

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All right. Well, thank you.

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Could have said interesting

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thought.

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So Enrique starts

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bragging about all the things

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that he's banned from, which

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seems to be a theme like some of

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these people who are actually

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kicked off a bunch of stuff,

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like it seems like they're

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really into talking about

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how many things they're banned

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from because that gives them

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some kind of a capital.

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And there's.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Just a couple of miles away from

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here, I'm banned on from going

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to CPAC CPAC.

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I can't go in there.

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I'm banned off of

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here we go. I got a list and I

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got a I actually have to scroll

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through it.

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So I've been banned off Facebook.

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Nineteen times Instagram,

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four times Twitter, 19

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times PayPal, Airbnb.

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Alex, I can't keep going with my

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list here, bro.

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Alex is pretty drunk.

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Alex, I can't keep doing my

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list if you're going to

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interrupt me.

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Yeah. So Alex starts.

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Yeah, boring.

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No, I think I think Enrique

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is I mean, look, dude,

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in terms of reception from the

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audience, it's it's

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it catches catch can.

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It's dire.

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But Enrique isn't

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as poorly received as, let's

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say, that first guy with the bad

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comedy or Pete Diabrusco with

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his boring ass, good xenophobic

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policy papers.

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Yeah.

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Enrique is doing OK.

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And that that is one of those

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situations where Alex is now

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gotten to the point of drunk

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where he's trying to help

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from the audience, as opposed

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to work with Papert.

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He was disrupted.

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Yeah. So now Alex

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both types of heckler that are

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great. Wonderful.

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Alex gets up and like I

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have in my notes here, he's

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problem drunk now.

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The last stage is a gulag

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and they're doing that to Roger

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Stone right now.

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It's not about silencing us.

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It's not about taking our

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finances.

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It's about putting us in jail.

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They want us hung and they want

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us dead.

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They want us dead!

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They'll die first!

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Amen to that.

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This is

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iffy.

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So now we're at the point where

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they're screaming about how

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they're going to kill us.

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This is a Jeff Dunham show now?

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He's been triloquizing?

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The toad has really taken a

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like, we're all fucked.

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They're going to kill us.

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So, Enrique, you know, not only

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is the message that they want to

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put us in a gulag and they want

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to kill us.

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They want to murder us.

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You can't trust the people in

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this room.

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Evil wants to go ahead

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and take over this country.

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We call it socialism.

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We call it communism.

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It's Satanism.

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It's evil.

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Sure. And it's it.

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It's here.

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It's what we do.

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It's here.

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Love it.

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And to be honest, it's probably

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in this room.

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Probably somebody infiltrated in

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here by the end of this evening.

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We have today.

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Just enjoy your goddamn rally.

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Stop it with this.

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Making everybody scared of

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everything.

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I have gathered you all tonight

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to slowly reveal who

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did the crime.

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The doors are locked.

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Yeah, exactly.

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We're going to find the FBI snitch.

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This is a murder mystery now.

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I wish it was.

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God damn it, I wish this just

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turned into Clue.

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That would be so fun.

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Alex Jones is wearing the wire.

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And then they all start running

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from room to room.

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Lights out.

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Oh, God, a drawing room farce

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would be perfect.

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Damn it, I wish that would

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happen.

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It has it has all the potential

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of it. Oh, absolutely.

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You've got you've got Enrique up

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here like, wait, you don't need to

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cast suspicions on the weirdos

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who have come to your view.

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Yeah, very dumb.

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So he gets done with his

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paranoia inducing speech.

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And Alex comes up to introduce

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the next speaker.

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And boy, he is

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he's having a good time.

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Alex is having a good time.

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He's having a good time.

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I'll tell you what they fear.

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The past already been laid out.

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Seventeen, six worldwide

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is the answer.

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And we're going to do it.

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And and the worst

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things get the more people are

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going to understand it.

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All right.

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Lee Stranahan is an investigative

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journalist.

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He's worked for all

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the big leftist publications

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that are out there.

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He's worked for Breitbart.

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He's worked for them all.

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So Lee Stranahan is the next

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speaker. And finally, we have

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someone who's not running a doomed

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congressional campaign.

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So that's nice.

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His speech seems to mostly be about

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the Ukraine whistleblower and how

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much he wants the crowd to keep

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chanting his supposed name.

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Sure.

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I tried to follow his point

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and his speech, but I also found

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myself not very interested.

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It seems like his point may have

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been to be wary of the CIA.

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And if that's what he's getting at

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point taken.

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Good for you.

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Sure. On board.

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They're evil.

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More important thing here is

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you got to note is that Alex is

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problematically drunk.

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Oh, man.

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He just snarling and he called

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Breitbart a leftist publication.

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He did a little raspberry.

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He did a little.

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Yeah.

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This is where I started to get

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worried and the vibe started

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to transform from this event is

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really sad to oh, this might get

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interesting.

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It's going to explode.

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This could be a bad.

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All right.

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How far into this are we?

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What?

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How far into the event are we?

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Maybe an hour.

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How long is it supposed to go?

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I don't know how long it's

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supposed to go, but it ends up

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going three hours.

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All right.

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All right.

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OK, so, you

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know, Lee is giving his speech and

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it's really just

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along the lines, like I said, he

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keeps getting the crowd to chant

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the whistleblower's name and

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it's not a very long speech,

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but he gets interrupted by Rob

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Dew in the middle of it.

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Mike down for this because where

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Alex takes this is

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absurd.

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Well, you know what?

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I didn't like, you know what?

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I was just told

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I was just told that these streams

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might get banned for that.

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Words you're really saying.

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Really?

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Oh, Eric Ceramella is

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right. But they won't

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ban them on Bandai video.

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And that's where we're going to

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put this up later tonight.

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So F the system

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and F their sister ship.

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Yeah.

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The judge in the Stone Show

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trial says don't say the names of

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the jurors, even though under

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federal law, this would be public

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because she rigged them all.

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The Democratic Party operatives and

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they're panicking right now.

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And we put out the names of the

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jurors and now she's burning

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at Al.

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Burn in hell.

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Because her threats

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were called, we called

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them, and now

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that Amy Berman Jackson

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burns in hell.

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Let me just say this as a speaker,

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it is hard to follow Alex Jones.

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All right. I understand that Alex

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is pretty drunk by this point and

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he's completely lost his ability to

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control himself.

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But if I had no idea what was

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going on and had no access to

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context, I would think this was

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a man celebrating after murdering

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a judge.

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Did they kill Amy Berman Jackson

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when we were looking?

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People don't typically burn in

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hell while they're still alive.

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So that seems like a strange thing

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to yell about.

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Oh, man.

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Also, Rob do is the saddest little

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boy here, scampering up to the mic

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to tell, you know, try to get the

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audience excited about how

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dangerous it is to say this

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whistleblower's name.

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They're fucking out there, man.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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They are not fucking out there.

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They are effing out there, Dan.

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Sorry. Let's recall that he

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specifically did not use the word

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fuck in their free speech

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conference.

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It's such a fetishization of

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manufactured and imagined

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persecution.

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Yeah. Like this is the end

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result of Alex's horribly misguided

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philosophy that you know that

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you're right when you're getting

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attacked, which he even expressed

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at the beginning of his speech

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at the start.

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If you internalize that belief,

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then you'll interpret attacks

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as being proof that you're right,

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which gives you the validation and

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a bit of a dopamine rush from like,

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yeah, we're doing it.

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But what happens when you're not

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getting attacked and you're very

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sad? Free speech summit is just

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happening and no one cares.

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Well, then you might just need

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to interrupt Lee Stranahan to

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pretend that you just might get

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attacked at some point, which would

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then prove that you're right and

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give you the validation you so

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desperately crave.

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Tying your value to how negatively

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people respond to you is a very sad

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game, and it runs so consistently

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through these people from Rob's

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interjection here to Deanna's

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clearly fake voicemail.

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They're like addicts just needing

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that rush.

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What if we turn to oppositional

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defiance disorder into a movement?

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Right. Yeah.

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So Alex has maybe

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killed Amy Berman Jackson, which is

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tough news to be determined.

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Yeah, I have not checked on her

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recently. So weird.

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That is a weird thing to say.

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Lee Stranahan also, you see

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there the cop out of it's hard

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to follow Alex.

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This guy's shit faced, guys.

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I mean, well, it's hard to follow.

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It's a trend that when Alex

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interrupts people, they're like,

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oh, I can't follow Alex.

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It's a surrender.

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Lee Stranahan is pretty high status,

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though, like in general, because he

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has a resume to him.

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He's an actual reporter.

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And I don't think he cares too much

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about this.

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And he keeps his speech short.

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He's prepared and so he can

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deflect and move along.

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But still, that hurts him.

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The Alex interrupting and yelling

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about Amy Berman Jackson being in

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hell and his only response being

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like, how do you follow this?

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Alex is right.

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He's out there.

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Surrender.

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So he finishes up his speech.

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Alex is still being the host

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and he seems to have forgotten

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who's coming up next.

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I got my nose over.

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I'm getting my exercise here.

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I'm getting my exercise.

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All right.

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We're having a good night tonight

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in defiance of their tyranny.

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It's amazing.

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Thanks for coming out.

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I love it.

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Whoa.

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Let's go ahead and bring up

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former head of the NSA operations

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unit, frequent guest to show Bill

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Benny.

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We wanted to come.

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He couldn't come.

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He's working on a big project.

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So he said, have Tommy Collins,

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my partner on who's working

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with me on major operations.

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So I've never met Tommy Collins,

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but I'm excited to have them on.

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So, Tommy, come on up here.

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Thank you so much.

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This show needs a producer's

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touch because it's sloppy as

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fuck.

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I know that Alex is drunk and

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he's a force of nature,

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so no amount of production is

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really going to help with that.

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But there are little things that

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could have gone a long way in

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terms of making this not seem

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like a ridiculous amateur

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spectacle.

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For one, you could have had the

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speaker's list up there like

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taped to the podium so Alex

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couldn't accidentally forget it

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and have to walk through the

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crowd to grab it because he has

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no idea who's coming up next.

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Another thing that might have

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been good is having Alex meet

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the people he's going to

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introduce prior to introducing

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them. Alex legitimately has no

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idea if Tommy is a man or a

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woman. And yet here he is

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presenting her as an expert

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because William Binney didn't

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want to show up.

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Tommy Collins runs a group

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called America Restored.

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I admit that I don't know what

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that group is all about,

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but I did check out their

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Facebook page.

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Oh, what's that?

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They have a Facebook page.

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Look at that.

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Another person at this gala who

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hasn't been kicked off social

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media.

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Crazy.

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Conservative.

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They'll get to them.

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Sure.

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On February 26th, 2020.

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I'm Dan. This is 2020.

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God dammit.

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America Restored posted a link

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to an article with the headline,

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quote, Donald Trump tours

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chemtrail plane promises to

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terminate program.

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This was such a blatant piece of

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bullshit from some dumb blog,

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though they used a picture of

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the NBC News logo on it to

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imply credibility.

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It is so flagrant that even

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the commenters had to point out

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that this was a fake story.

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As of February 29th,

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this post is still up on the

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page.

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How many likes?

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I don't know.

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From their about page, it's

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pretty clear they're a Christian

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fundamentalist outlet pushing

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for what you might describe as

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either Christian led nation or

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a theocracy, depending on your

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point of view.

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I don't really care too much

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about this stuff because

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honestly, I looked at it and I

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think from some of the metrics,

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it's pretty clear that a lot

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of the members of her group are

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bots.

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Yeah, that's probably true.

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Anyway, I guess that maybe Tommy

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works with William Binney on

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some stuff, which seems

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completely nuts to me.

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That's normal.

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He's supposed to be the former

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technical head of the NSA and

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she runs a weird conservative

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Christian organization that

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posts obviously fake things on

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Facebook.

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Well, she has a part time job as

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a P.A.

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What a tag team.

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Yeah.

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So Tommy gets up

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and she her speech

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is obviously about William

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Binney because that's all that

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anyone cares about.

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And I would say, if you listen

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carefully, I don't think she

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has a handle on the details of

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the things that Bill does.

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Bill, if you guys don't know who

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he is, Bill Binney, and most

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people do, but I'll give you a

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little rundown.

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Bill Binney is the man that's

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responsible for building out

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about two thirds of the modern

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day NSA.

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And he left in the

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early 2000s.

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And when he left there, they're

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still using the

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I shouldn't say I'm here.

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They're still using they're

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still using the stuff that he

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had originally developed.

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It's powerful.

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Bill has been continuing to

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work on things.

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His stuff was so innovative at

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that time.

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They've never been able to get

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better.

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So that's that's pretty powerful.

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Doesn't sound true.

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So if you're keeping track, Bill

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made some stuff that's really

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powerful for the NSA and it's

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continued to work on things.

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He makes stuff that's really

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good stuff.

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These things are powerful,

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important things.

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You know, Jordan, sometimes I'll

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be working on some things and

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I'll think this is some good

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stuff.

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Man, I just don't know how to

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improve on some of the things

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involved in this stuff.

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You wrote a better speech than

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most everybody.

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That's ridiculous.

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What are you talking about?

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And she's talking about stuff at

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the NSA, the National Stuff

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Agency.

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This is a person with

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legitimately no information.

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And I honestly kind of wonder if

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she's even there at the request

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of William Binney.

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Most of her speech is pushing

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the conspiracy that the

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Guccifer hack couldn't have

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been done remotely over the

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Internet, which is a position

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that William Binney has

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definitely advanced.

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But he also recanted it in 2018

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when Duncan Campbell

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demonstrated to him that the

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metadata that he'd used to

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arrive at that conclusion had

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been manipulated.

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I honestly have no idea what's

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going on here, but I don't

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exclude the possibility that

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William Binney has nothing to do

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with her speech in the present

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day.

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The only connection between

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Tommy and Binney that I can find

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online is from 2018.

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An interview that she did with

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him, you know, it was prior to

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the point where Binney walked

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back the Guccifer theory.

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Yeah, I have no idea what's

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going on here.

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And like this is booking that I

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would have avoided if I were

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Infowars.

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It raises more questions than

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answers that it provides.

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And it just looks amateurish.

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This lineup is already

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overbooked.

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There's no need for this.

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This is not bringing anything to

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the table.

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Oh, yeah.

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I walked in.

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I told you it was a good

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day.

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So.

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Now I'm talking here.

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So the reason that

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she's there and the reason that

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she got on stage, honestly,

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is that she promised information

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and an announcement that Bill

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Binney got working on.

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OK, so they think they're going

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to break some big news.

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Right. And that apparently is

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that Bill's been working on

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things and

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she gets into it here in this

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this next clip.

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That's what Bill's stuff did.

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It picked needles out of haystack.

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It was proven that Bill

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would have actually discovered

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9-11 before it happened.

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Bill's forte is

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bulk data.

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His forte is bulk data, meaning

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not forte, unparalleled,

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nothing out there like it.

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It's never been reinvented.

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The NSA has never been able to

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get better.

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Bill's the bomb.

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He has technology that's never

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been recreated.

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Right.

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Until now.

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You guys, we are right now.

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Bill up to this date has never,

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ever even asked for money for a

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speaking engagement.

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Oh, no.

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He never wanted anyone to ever

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accuse him.

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Is she selling poop buckets?

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Yeah, he never wrote a book.

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He never got money on the movie.

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Nothing.

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You know what?

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So listen to this, you guys.

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I told that's why Bill's

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on board with a non for profit,

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because this is what we're going

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to do. We're going to build out

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Bill's technology.

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We're going to build out

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Bill's technology right now.

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And we need every freedom loving

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American to get on board.

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We're going to make some things.

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Even I was caught a little bit

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off guard when this turned into a

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situation where Tommy is asking

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for money to make this super

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powerful technology that Bill has

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in his head that could have

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stopped 9-11.

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Did not see that coming.

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It was a swerve.

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That was that was a swing.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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A couple of quick points about

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this. One, you don't need Bill's

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tech to have predicted 9-11,

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considering almost all of Alex's

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credibility is based on him

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claiming to have done just that.

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Yeah.

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Save some money.

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Just write down the things Alex

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says.

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Second, William Binney worked

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with the NSA on 9-11.

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That's a little problem.

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No.

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In fact, he retired

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in October 2001,

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suspiciously, basically

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immediately after 9-11.

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I can't imagine that a room full

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of like 60 people are going to

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raise funds to provide Binney

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with some kind of miracle

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technology he can use to stop

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future terrorist attacks,

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considering he was literally at

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the NSA in a position to use all

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of his genius at the time when

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the worst terrorist attack on U.S.

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soil actually did happen.

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Right.

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Now, he what you're missing is he

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actually created

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Mark Wahlberg, who would

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have stopped 9-11, maybe if

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he was there.

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This is all a goddamn hustle.

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And it's sad on the one hand.

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But on the other hand, I get a

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pretty big charge out of how

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little response Tommy got after

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yelling until now.

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She really thought that that was

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going to land like a shockwave

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through the crowd, but it just

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died.

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That's just where he was

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very funny.

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I felt that pain when a punch

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line just misses entirely

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like, you know, granted in those

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situations, I was just trying to

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get a laugh, not raise funds for

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an imaginary splinter, high tech

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intelligence operation in a half

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filled room full of crypto

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fascist.

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Sure.

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I imagine that feels worse.

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I you know what?

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I can't imagine the feeling

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because there's a certain amount

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of in my head.

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If I were there, it'd be like if

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I say something wrong, are they

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going to eat me?

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Are they going to kill me?

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Am I going to get eaten alive?

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Nah, you're fine.

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You just get you just get rushed

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off stage because once it becomes

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clear that she's trying to raise

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money, Alex puts an end to that

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pretty quick.

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But he still has to promote Bill

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Benny because he still needs him

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as a expert on stuff.

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Of course. And so Alex

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builds up Benny's

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the I don't know, backstory.

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Admittedly, in U.S.

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history, George Washington was

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great at codes.

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William Benny is like a savant.

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George Washington was great at

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code and he created a whole

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modern NSA.

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And then when he exposed the

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corruption, they went after him

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and tried to kill him.

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He doesn't make a big deal about

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they poisoned him at the Senate

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lunch here. He lost his legs.

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He's a real patriot.

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He didn't lose his legs because

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the globalists poisoned him.

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He has diabetes.

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He well, there's that.

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Yeah, they they poisoned him

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with sugar, Dan.

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Nice spin.

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So Alex starts rambling about Bill

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Benny's technology.

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And I think that this clip is

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actually like a really amazing

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little demonstration of Alex

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not knowing what he's about to

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say when he starts a set.

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Yeah, but Mike down for this

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because you've got to follow

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this track.

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And that's what people have gone

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through to bring you this level

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of information.

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We're talking about 3D

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imaging, digital

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quantum computing, mapping

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and literally being able

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to judge pre-crime.

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The system didn't want to use

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that. I'm not even sure I'm for

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that, actually, but

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they wanted it all to continue.

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They used the computers to

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continue the crime and

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to continue the criminality.

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So you see what happened there

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is that Alex got caught up in

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rambling about how Bill Benny

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had this amazing technology he

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created that the globalists

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didn't want him to use.

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It was 3D imaging and all that.

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So sophisticated, you could

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detect crimes before they

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happen.

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As Alex is talking, he realizes

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that he's describing something

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he categorically has to be

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opposed to.

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It's archetypal dystopian

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fiction stuff.

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It is literally the government

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watching you all the time.

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So he expresses doubt

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that he'd be in favor of it and

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then does a little sleight of

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hand where he completely flips

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the whole story.

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That's why they tried to

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continue it and he stopped it,

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even though he invented it.

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But that's only because he was

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going to stop 9-11, but then he

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had to retire.

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As soon as he realizes that he

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needs to be against this

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Minority Report technology he's

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pretending Benny made, he knows

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that the globalists now have to

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be in favor of it.

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So he proceeds as if he

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didn't say that they were trying

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to stop Benny like 10 seconds

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prior.

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And nothing Alex says means

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anything. He's just making all

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this shit up.

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Yeah, don't worry about it.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, we get

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another introduction.

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It's a Infowars stalwart.

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This is overbooked.

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It's very.

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This is overbooked.

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We're not even close to done

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with this.

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That can't be real.

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Next speaker coming up is

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Destroyed Cucks.

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Oh, God damn it.

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The one and only bearded Owen

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Schroyer.

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God damn it.

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Oh, Troyer, come up here.

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Really, Troyer?

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Come on, remember?

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We're winning.

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The globalists are losing

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and Judge Amy Berman

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Jackson is getting ready for

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a prison cell.

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It's always a good thing.

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It's going to be part of

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victory.

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Believe me, we're winning.

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All right.

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All right, all right, all right.

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There's a very interesting

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dynamic at play at this

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Free Speech Summit.

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One thing is that Owen

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isn't drinking and he has

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a consistent motivation.

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So he comes off as a level

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headed dude by comparison

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to the painfully drunk Alex

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and the grab bag of losers

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who has spoken so far.

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This might be my Somali

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Pirates moment, but you kind

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of have to give it up to Owen

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for keeping his wits about

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him when he could have just

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got wasted and had a good

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time.

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Yeah.

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The second dynamic here

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that is important to point

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out is that by this point,

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the room is filled out a

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little bit.

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It's still mostly empty.

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But what's happened is that

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at least by the point when

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like Lee Stranahan was on

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stage, Nick Fuentes, his

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fans showed up.

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Oh, no, the groipers

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are there and they make up

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a significant portion of the

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crowd and they like Owen.

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OK, we've only talked

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about Nick Fuentes showing

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up on Alex's show in the

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past, but he's been a guest

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with Owen a couple of times,

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too.

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I've mentioned this a number

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of times that the younger,

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more online radical types

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are more likely to show up

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on Owen's show.

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And Nick is a prime example

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of that.

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Alex is a bit of an

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embarrassing old man for

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them.

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They'd be happy to utilize

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his platform to disseminate

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their views, but privately,

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they're also probably doing

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impressions of him and

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mocking him about gay frogs

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and stuff.

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Owen is cooler.

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His identity is mostly

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to them.

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OK, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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His identity is mostly caught

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up in the cuck destroyer

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imagery and his public

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existence doesn't have the

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same baggage that Alex does.

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He's only really been on

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Infowars for a few years,

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and most of that time,

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his coverage has mostly been

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the anti SJW stuff

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and acting like a big boy.

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Plus, working in his favor

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is the fact that no one

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watches his show,

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so they don't realize how bad

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it is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You can hear from that much

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larger ovation that Owen

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got when he came to the stage

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that the mood in the room

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has shifted a little.

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And that's because the

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Fuentes fans are there

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and someone they like

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has taken the stage.

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It's very strange to see

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high status Shroyer,

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but I have to say that

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seeing him here showed me

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a whole new side of him.

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It's entirely possible

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that I'm just being blinded

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by the staggering incompetence

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that surrounds him,

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but he's showing a confident

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in charge presence,

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and that's pretty weird.

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I don't like it.

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I don't like the I don't like

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the way people are clapping

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for him.

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No, I don't like him coming up

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like I come on.

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Come on.

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I can see it in my head,

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him walking up to the podium

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and being like, all right,

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all right.

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I know you love me guys.

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No, I know I'm a star.

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Thank you.

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I don't I don't like it at all.

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Well, if it makes you

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feel any better,

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they don't like him enough

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to laugh at a bad joke.

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OK, good.

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But I another indication

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is so I was live all day

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from CPAC.

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I saw a lot of you there.

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I didn't even have time

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to eat or shower.

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I go back to my hotel.

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I change and I show up today

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and I realized I forgot my belt.

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So please nobody tell Roger Stone.

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That didn't land.

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That did not land as well

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as I think he had hoped.

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So Owen gets the rights

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getting too good at comedy, Dan.

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Yeah, too good.

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Paul told me about that.

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Did you hear that?

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Did you hear that other man?

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They say, oh boy,

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I'm trying to grow.

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So Owen gets talking about

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why he likes working at Infowars.

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And I think like I think that

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I'm lazy.

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Yeah, I don't really like

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planned speaking events

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because I'd rather

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speak from the heart.

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And I feel like there's

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some sort of pressure

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to prepare something

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when you come up here.

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But yeah, that's why

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I like Infowars so much.

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And there's no other platform like it.

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And Alex has left the building.

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It's kind of like Austin Powers,

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like, where's my father?

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Like, oh, oh,

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Alex, he left me.

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No, but seriously,

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I can't thank Alex enough

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for building the platform

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because there is no other platform

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that would allow me to do what I do.

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Totally.

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I think that's accurate.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't like preparing much

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and Invoirs doesn't have

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any standards on that front.

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So it's a perfect fit.

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Yeah, you are correct.

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Yeah, I can't dispute

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any of the like

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factual statements he's making.

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I don't think there's

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any virtue in it.

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No, he's right.

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He's right.

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If you want to if you want a job

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where you you it's like people watch.

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Talented performers

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and they're like, look

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at how effortless is this is.

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I shouldn't have to do any work.

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Right.

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And they don't realize

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how much effort it takes

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to get to the point

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where it looks like you're not trying.

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Exactly.

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It's so much work.

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Yep.

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You learned that by trying.

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Yeah.

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You got to stop doing that.

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You can get a good job at Infowars.

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So in there,

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you hear Owen razzing

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Alex about not being in the room.

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And he's I think he's

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a little bit hurt by that, actually.

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He's making a joke about it.

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And that's that's all good.

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That's all good.

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But he brings it back up

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at the end of his speech.

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It's so funny.

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And then this is where

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things get buck wild.

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Nick Fuentes is coming up next.

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There's Alex.

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Hey, Alex, thanks

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for missing my speech, man.

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Really meant a lot.

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Really meant a lot, man.

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No, seriously, Alex,

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I was I was thanking you

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and I want to make sure

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you were here to introduce Nick Fuentes.

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But you guys really are the revolution.

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You really are.

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Before we do Nick Fuentes,

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we got Ivan Rakin, Green Beret, Patriot.

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And this is what it's like

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to work at Infowars, ladies and gentlemen.

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Come on, let's put him up.

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Don't beat me up.

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And we've got we got General

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Flynn's son here tonight.

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So he should come up here and speak.

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So if you recall,

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Alex met Ivan Rakin

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the last time he rented

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at the D.C. Press Club

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and did a big press event

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about how he wasn't on social media.

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Ivan was there, said hi to Alex

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and ended up giving a speech.

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I suspect part of the reason

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they became fast friends

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is that Ivan is an associate

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of the Flynn family

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and Alex wanted any kind of access

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he could get. Right.

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Ivan tried to run

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in the twenty eighteen

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Senate race in Virginia,

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but was disqualified from the ballot

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because of invalid signatures.

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But as best as I can tell,

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he is not in a doomed

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congressional candidate

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situation in this cycle currently.

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So that means he's probably

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just here to talk shit.

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And Mike Flynn Jr.

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is a guaranteed pass to get on stage.

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This is surreal stuff.

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This this is like

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I got a very visceral reaction

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with oh, oh, and I totally get that.

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That reminds me such of what I was

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a baby comic to work at Infowars.

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No, no, no.

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They're like, oh, you weren't there

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for my my whole speech.

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Oh, that's such like

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when I was a baby comic.

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It opened my like when the guy

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you want to impress is like

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a friend of the show now, Marty.

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But when I was like a year in

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and Marty was headlining

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at some middle of the nowhere

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show in fucking

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like Bridgeport or whatever,

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not Bridgeport, Barrington.

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And it's like he walked out of the

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room during my feature set

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and I was just like, oh, no,

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my hero doesn't like

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me.

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It hurts.

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But you realize sometimes people

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have seen you.

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He got shitfaced and ran

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up on stage and kicked me off.

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So it was it was exactly

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like it working at Infowars.

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He said

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that Mike Flynn Junior's

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there.

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Great.

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So Alex really wants Mike Flynn

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Junior to come on stage and give a

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speech. And so when he's bringing

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Ivan on stage, he explicitly

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asks and hears Ivan's response.

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Hey, Ivan, great patriot, U.S.

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Army officer, lawyer,

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defense intelligence agency

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formally bring up.

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Let's get General Flint's son up

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here.

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Get him on. You said he was.

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Go ahead. You're on air.

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I said, no, you're on air.

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All right. So who's out here?

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Who's motivated today?

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So he said he said no.

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Yeah.

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And you're right there with the

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you're on air.

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Yeah.

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Alex, I think it's totally

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doing the show.

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This is the show.

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He's in full on.

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We're doing the show.

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He is drunk and he thinks this is

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his studio.

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It's very weird.

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So I was like,

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what the fuck is going on?

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Like, yeah, Ivan

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ends up spending about three

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minutes talking about like, I

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don't know why I'm up here.

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I don't have anything prepared.

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And he's just kind of weird.

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He I don't know what the vibe is,

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but then it becomes really clear

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what he's doing here.

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And then everything explodes.

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OK, this is this is a

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ride. All right.

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Big tech takedown.

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That's twenty twenty.

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How are we going to do that?

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Well, self plug.

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I'm part of the company called

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Yippie. It's a search engine.

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Take a look.

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Anybody use it?

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Yippie dot com

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safe, secure search.

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So here we have it becomes

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clear why Ivan's coming to give a

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speech trying to fundraise

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from this this group.

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And much like when Tommy

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Collins got into it being like

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this being a fundraising thing.

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Alex pretty quickly gets up

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on stage here to to

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cut this off.

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Hey, I like General Flint.

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Sonny should get up and talk.

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Good job. All right.

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Ivan Reikland on Twitter.

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Big troublemaker writer.

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All right.

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America is awake.

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That's what's happening now.

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Get ready for it.

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I don't want to speak.

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Yes, you know, for a second.

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That's what you want.

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God bless your brother.

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Tell those who you are and speak.

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Go ahead and do it.

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Hi, folks.

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So there's so much going on

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in that clip. That's not good.

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You've got this Ivan Reikland

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falling for the same foolish

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perception that Tommy Collins had

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where they think this is Shark Tank

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and they're going to fundraise from

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this beleaguered audience.

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And then I think Alex sense that

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this speech that Ivan was given was

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going nowhere and that he's going

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into business for himself.

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So all bets are off.

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Ivan's already said no to Alex's

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request for Flynn to speak, but

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Ivan's being a dick.

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So Alex forces the issue.

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Ivan leaves stage and Alex

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begins doing some pump up stuff.

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America's back.

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But unbeknownst to him, Mike Flynn

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Jr. has come on stage behind him.

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Alex and Mike greet each other and

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Alex fumbles that, oh, we talked

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on line before

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this becomes his big victory.

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He's now got Mike Flynn Jr.

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giving a speech at his rally.

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OK, it's very weird.

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What the fuck is about to happen?

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Not that it's not actually as

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exciting as I'm.

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God damn it.

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He cajoled

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him to get on stage and Mike Flynn

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and Mike Flynn Jr. isn't coming out

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with the speech is just about how

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his dad's innocent.

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And it's about what you know.

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Your dad did that.

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There's not much firework to it,

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except for what Alex does.

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Right.

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Because Alex is fucking wasted.

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So funny.

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So Flynn starts talking about how

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this Russiagate thing's been real

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hard.

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And so his dad did that shit, dude.

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Well, I can tell you that,

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you know, I kind of describe what's

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been going on with with my family

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and everything else that's happened

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with all this Russiagate

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shit. And it's it's like kind

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of like this long boxing match.

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We're kind of in the 15th round now.

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We feel like things are kind of kind

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of winding down.

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And I have a really difficult

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time with this situation because on

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the one hand, Mike Flynn Jr.

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is a dumb, dumb and he's definitely

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a willful actor spreading conspiracy

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shit and misinformation online.

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Oh, yeah. But on the other hand, I

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don't want to shit on him too hard

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when he's talking about how this

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the effect this investigation has

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had on his family, because on some

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level that still feels like it would

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be shitty.

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Like his mother, as far as I know,

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wasn't involved in any of this.

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It's sad for her, if only that.

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You know, like, however, however,

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you find some sort of empathy, it's

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important to hold on to some of

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this. Yeah. Yeah. And there are

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people involved in that family that

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are having to suffer consequences

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because of these people's actions.

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Now, granted, that's the same for all

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sorts of people who are related to

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criminals. Right.

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But, you know, it's tough.

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It's tough. I don't want to I don't

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want to punch too much.

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I you know, you're

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right.

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It's hard. Fuck Mike Flynn.

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True. The end.

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So anyway, I just pulled this clip

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because there's no boxing match in

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the present day that will ever be in

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the 15th round.

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Professional boxing limits fights.

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We're petty. That is petty.

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Maybe that one is petty.

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Professional boxing limits fights

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to 12 rounds.

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And they made that limit

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specifically was in 1982.

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Ray Mancini fought Dukku Kim

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in a match that went to the 15th

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round, which resulted in Kim

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collapsing into a coma immediately

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after the fight, getting emergency

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brain surgery and dying four days

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later.

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Mike Flynn Jr. was like one year old

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when that happened. So his whole

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life boxing matches have been 12

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rounds.

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He was he was referencing the old

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days, 1920 Queens rules

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when you would fight until one guy

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fell to the ground.

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Hundred and twenty rounds in the

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last multiple days.

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Never alive. Always fight.

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So anyway, I just yeah, sure.

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Whatever. Petty.

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Anyway, Flynn talks about how

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his dad's innocent and Alex

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can't control himself.

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He has to jump on stage, of course.

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And look, I'm not up here.

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I'm not up here looking for

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sympathy. I'm just I'm just letting

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you know that I mean, this is the

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truth. This is what happened.

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You know, my my my father is not

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guilty of anything.

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I think I think I think everybody

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who knows that and that's

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also not true.

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So look, look, last

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thing, last thing I'll say, last

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thing I'll say is that the

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story is so complex.

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I want you to keep going for 20

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minutes. We got plenty of time.

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Like an hour of question and

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answer. Talk about your father as

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a patriot and what you

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guys went through and the

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vindication now that the whole

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lie is coming down

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and Rogers telling everything,

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tell them what happened.

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Tell them in five minutes what

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happened, what you guys went

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through as American patriots.

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Yeah,

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this tells me that Alex

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has tried to get Mike Flynn on his

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show and he said, no, this

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is his opportunity to interview

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him. And the speech that Flynn

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Junior's given is not going

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the direction necessarily that

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Alex wants it to.

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It's not sensational enough.

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And so he's trying to direct it.

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He pops up on stage and he says

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that. Then Flynn starts trying to

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answer that question.

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And it's not going well enough.

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So Alex has to interject from the

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crowd.

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All of a sudden, this stuff kind

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of came down with with having to

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hire lawyers.

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And why did they go after

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your father?

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Yeah, well, I mean, we're on his

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show.

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Why did they go after your father?

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He they went out of the deep state

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with my father because he was

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outspoken on a number of things.

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The main thing was Obama's

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signature foreign policy, which was

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which was which was the the

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Iran deal. I mean, the Iran deal.

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And I'm not an expert on Iran.

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But but I can tell you that the

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Iran deal was was a big thing that

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he was, you know, that he

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was that he was

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highly against. And there's a lot

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of people in

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major, major critic of that.

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Alex cannot handle this

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like either. I got to micromanage.

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I got to direct this.

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This is this is big.

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People are going to be talking

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about this. I need it to go the way

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I need it to go.

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And unfortunately, also, I don't

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know if you can pick this up from

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the audio, but there's a lot of

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people talking in the room.

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And we know from doing shows

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that there's ways to deal with that.

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And then there's ways to deal with

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that. Oh, no.

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Alex has one strategy.

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Oh, no.

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You know, a big advocate and

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obviously very, very

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very, very outspoken for us.

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And, you know, that's

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a deal after all the persecution

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you've gone through to come here and

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speak on these live feeds out here.

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But let's get back to the beginning

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of the few minutes we have left.

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I appreciate you coming here today.

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Your courage to do it.

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I know you've been you and your

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family persecuted.

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I've been persecuted.

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We know it's like we are persecuted

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because we support America.

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We realize that persecution is

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actually a blessing and we don't see

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ourselves as victims of people.

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Listen, this guy's a saint because

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his dad, just like Roger Stone

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and just like some other people,

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they've tried to put his father in

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prison.

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They try to hold years in prison

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and bankrupting them to

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lie about President Trump and lie

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about the populist election

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we had.

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So I hear a lot of talk.

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I love you guys.

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Just respect.

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Everybody just stop talking for one

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second.

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Just just one second.

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One second.

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Just one second.

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Your lives.

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His father wanted to serve

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America and try to defend

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our republic.

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And because and

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because they targeted

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him because he wanted to put in

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the Trump administration patriots

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that would promote freedom

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worldwide, they were scared of the

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army that George Washington

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founded two hundred and forty five

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years ago, finally

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getting control of the government

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again from these communists

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and these globalists.

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And then they launched

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every attack they had.

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So I think anybody who's produced a

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comedy show can relate to that

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moment. Alex just had like you're

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trying to run a show and there's

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some people who won't stop talking

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in the back of the room.

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Maybe it's bar patreon patrons

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or maybe it's other comics that you

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booked, but you need them to shut

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up. You have a headliner who's

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dropped in, who's been on

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television. And this is make or

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break time.

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You need this to go well.

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So you panic a little bit.

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It's too late at this point to

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have produced a better show.

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So a lot of the things you just

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have to accept.

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Sure, you could have seated people

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better. Sure.

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You could have not had an open bar.

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Sure. You could have not spent so

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much time at that open bar

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yourself. Sure.

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You could have just not let any

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dumb, dumb running for Congress do

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15 minutes, but it's too late for

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that. Now it is.

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You need to fix this now.

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And the only way to do that is to

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yell at people to shut up.

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That's very relatable to me.

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Yeah, I don't think I've ever done

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that myself, but I've come close

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and I've definitely seen hosts use

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that move a bunch.

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Yeah, it never works.

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Hey, everybody,

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we got a really good show going

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on. Right. Could you guys just please

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be quiet?

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Can you please turn off the TVs?

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Not going to work.

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Yeah, it works for a minute, but

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then it just people just start

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talking. Yeah, it never

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because you haven't shown them

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why they need to pay attention.

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You just scolded them.

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Yep. Now, where this stops being

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relatable is that part at the end

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there where Alex almost starts

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crying about General Flynn.

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It's not surprising for Alex to get

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emotional talking about America.

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But what I was shocked to hear is

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him saying that what is that

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what the globalists were afraid of

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was that General Flynn was trying

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to get the military to be in charge

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of the government.

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Is that what Alex has wanted this

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whole time? Of course, because if

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I'm not much mistaken, he was super

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anti-military until at least around

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like 2009.

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Hey, well, if I'm not mistaken,

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Alex's entire brand was warning

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about the coming martial law in

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militarized state.

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It seems like everything he's stood

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for since at least 1995 has been

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strongly, emphatically opposed to

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the idea of the military being in

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control of the state.

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But here he is crying on stage

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with Mike Flynn's son about other

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globalists jammed up his dad because

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he was going to bring the military

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back in charge.

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Seems fucked up.

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Mike Flynn's son, who already

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said no to speaking at this at

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least once, maybe twice, was not

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enjoying speaking at this,

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was clearly not being paid attention

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to at this and then was suddenly

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and loudly interrupted for this

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and then continually asked questions

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and interrupted by the very host

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that you are talking to, who has

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now kicked you off the microphone

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and is standing right next to you

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screaming about how he loves

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George Washington and about how

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good showing about how your dad was

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trying to get the military in

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control of the government.

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It seems like maybe I don't want

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that. Maybe in the in the world of

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improv, I don't want you to pimp me

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into that. Yeah, I don't want that

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to be the reality we all have to

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accept.

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I'm going to have to no but this

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one. I'm going to have to no but

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this one. I'm sorry.

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It's very weird.

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I feel like that's a bad day.

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That kind of phrasing is really

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weird and very counter to all the

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things that Alex seems to be

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against.

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Obama was black.

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The end.

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So I think it's really upsetting,

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too, because it's accompanied by

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this demonstration of what seems

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like pretty sincere drunk emotions.

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Like obviously he's hamming it up a

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little bit for Flynn Jr., but I

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was watching it. It seems fairly

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visceral.

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George Washington was such a good

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coder.

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He was so good.

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He made Windows ever T95.

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It's it's very strange.

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So Alex starts having what I

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describe as a bit of a breakdown.

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And as I was watching this,

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I got the sense that maybe this is

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too weird.

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OK.

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Oh, right now.

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Yeah.

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We have discredited Obama.

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We have discredited Hillary.

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We have restored the republic.

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America has had a great victory.

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But America doesn't have a media

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to tell you the victory you've

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had.

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Sure.

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So General Flynn faces fake

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sentencing.

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And I say, like I've told Roger

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Stone, call their bluff because

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we've done nothing wrong.

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We're good people.

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So General Flynn's son, oh, God

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bless you.

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Are you, though?

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Doesn't say his name, ever.

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General Flynn's son.

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Yeah, that is funny.

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Now you're this good person.

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We can't remember his name.

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We know your father's good.

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You don't get attacked by CNN

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and MSNBC and ABC if you're evil.

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Oh, then Bernie's great.

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When you're good.

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Wow.

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You know that.

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And America is rising now.

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And the enemy knows.

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So, hey, finish up.

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Talk about I'm stronger than

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ever.

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Don't be strong.

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Tell them the truth.

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Closer.

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All right.

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I mean, the last thing I'll say

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is that, you know, we still have

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a fight in front of us.

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I think I mean, I don't know.

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I don't want to assume too much.

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But if you're Mike Flynn Jr.,

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you probably got to get the

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sense that, first of all, this

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guy's wasted.

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Yeah.

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And second, like this seems to

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be about you.

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This.

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You seem to be projecting your

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situation on my father.

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No.

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Seems weird.

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No.

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I'm going to be as polite as

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possible and get through this.

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I mean, that's a level of

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professionalism from her, from

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him.

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I will give him that.

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I think it's less professionalism

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and more just like what's the

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point?

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That's fair.

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It's like I don't I don't I can

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see it as a performer.

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The point is that former I know

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up for me, the point then

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becomes I'm burning this stage

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to the ground.

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Right.

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And I'm making sure that nobody

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will ever forget my name and it

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will not be good.

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I understand anybody who is

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speaking at this event having

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that impulse.

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I totally do.

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Yeah, you got it.

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But I also

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can relate to someone who's like,

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it's not worth the trouble.

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There's going to be a mess and I

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don't really care to to do it.

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True.

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You say like, I'm going to make

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this last point.

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My dad's being persecuted.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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This is another example of them

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not having personal pride.

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So Alex, of course, interrupts

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more.

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And you're you know, you're

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humble about this, but you

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came up here tonight.

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I know under major pressure and

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persecution to tell the truth.

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So in closing, you tell the

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people watching out there on the

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Internet and everybody here in

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person, why you decided to come

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out and speak up for your father

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tonight?

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I think it's because, you know,

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the tide has turned.

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The hoax is broken.

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We're Americans.

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We're not Russian agents.

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We love our country.

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We we believe in America.

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Why did you come out tonight?

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I came up here with with Ivan

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Ragland.

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I don't know.

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I don't know where he's at.

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He's he's around here somewhere.

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Ivan's always Ivan's always

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dragging, you know, pulling,

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pulling me, you know, and five

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different, you know, five

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different directions.

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We went we were at CPAC before

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and I'll be there in the next

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couple of days.

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Alex really wanted Mike to

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say, like, I came because your

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audience is so important and the

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tide is turning.

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Alex wanted that moment.

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And boy, he didn't get it.

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Just why are you why are you

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here?

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I don't know.

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I just follow Ivan around.

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Ivan said to come look, Ivan

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wasn't going to be able to plug

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his search engine unless I came.

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So he's a friend of mine.

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Yeah, I don't want to be here

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now.

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I didn't want to be at the

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conference and I don't want to

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ever stand next to you.

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So Flynn,

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Mike Flynn Jr. says that his dad

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will be back and like

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the Terminator.

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This is just like I mean, you

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nailed it earlier.

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Just the the as

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Alex progresses through this, he

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thinks he's doing it.

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He's doing his show totally.

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He asked a co-host.

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Yeah, he's co-hosting with the

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speakers.

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But I can tell you that that

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that his time is not done.

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He will get his

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he will get his ass back out

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there and speak

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out about the things that that

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need to be spoken out about.

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I mean, these deep say

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that that's right.

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General General

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Flynn bet on America

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three plus years ago and tried to

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put the White House stock with

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Patriots.

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He was attacked as enemy number

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one.

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And now four years later,

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we are turning the tide.

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His son is here with us tonight.

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This is a beautiful time.

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God bless you.

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Tell your father we're indebted

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to him.

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We appreciate him.

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So you can't let Flynn

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Junior have the last word in his

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own speech.

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Alex cut him off in the middle of

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a sentence to wrap it up for him.

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Yep. That's so fucked up.

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Yep. And he totally grabbed

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him, didn't he?

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Yeah, he had that moment

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where he was like, no, no, no,

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don't go yet. He totally grabbed

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it. He totally grabbed his arm.

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I heard him grab his arm or

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at least put his arm on.

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I'm not sure about grab, but yeah,

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it's it's you can't leave yet.

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Yeah. So Flynn Junior

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is done. And now Alex has Nick

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Fuentes coming up.

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Sure. And so he introduced a real

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heavy hitter.

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Sure. So he introduces Nick.

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And I think you can tell fairly

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well that the audience is mostly

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his fans.

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Well, it's hard to follow this

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Nick Fuentes who challenged

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the Republican censors and the

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neocons on the ChiCom

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tit.

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That ChiCom tit will pull off

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Nick Fuentes.

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Thank you.

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He's getting sustained applause

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that carry him to stage in a way

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that these other speakers are not.

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Yeah.

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So Nick comes on stage

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and like I think you'll be able

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to tell immediately

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how much better he is at this

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than almost everybody else

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that's been there.

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Well, it is great to be here.

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This has been a very off to a

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good start.

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I've been to CPAC for

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two years now.

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I went to CPAC in 2018

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and 2019.

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2019, I wasn't supposed to be

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there. I actually got kicked out.

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They tried to kick me out.

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If you remember last year.

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And I have to say, this is way

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more fun than CPAC.

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Would anybody rather

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be at CPAC than here?

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I don't think so.

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Yes.

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But first of all, I just want to

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say thanks to

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The National File, everybody with

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The National File for hosting this.

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And a big thanks, of course, to

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a big thanks to Infowars and Alex

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Jones for having us all here.

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And Alex Jones is high

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energy.

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I know I sound like a broken record

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about these various small details of

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live performance, but it's really

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one of the things that interested me

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the most in my time doing standup.

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There's little things that any

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performer can or cannot do that

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will have huge effects on how

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they're perceived by an audience.

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One of the really common ones is a

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comic coming on stage, taking the

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microphone out of the stand and

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casually moving the mic stand to

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the back of the stage.

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It's a simple routine action that

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indicates that the performer is at

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ease and they're able to control

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their surroundings.

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But if they fail to do this simple

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act, they end up with a mic stand

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between them and the audience,

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obstructing the view from the crowd,

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which creates distance.

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The comic could leave the mic in

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the stand, and then that's a

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different thing. That's a stylistic

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choice.

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But if you see a performer take the

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mic out of the stand and leave the

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stand there, it sends a subconscious

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signal that this person isn't in

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control of their space.

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The same message is sent by a comic

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who concedes too easily to a heckler.

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If someone in the audience yells

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something out, you don't have to

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destroy them or anything, but

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ignoring the comment altogether or

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behaving in a way that allows the

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audience member to score a point

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over you decreases your status as

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the center of attention and tells

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the audience that they're not in

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good hands.

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They can't trust the performer to

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get through whatever they're about

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to do.

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Before I even started doing

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standup, my uncle worked at a

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comedy club and we went

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in Indianapolis at

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Crackers and we were hanging

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out with the headliner after the

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show.

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And he was he was just talking

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and he was literally I remember

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this to this day of him just saying,

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I can tell how long a standup

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has been doing it just by how they

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take the mic stand out.

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And it's like that is the signal

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so easily.

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Once you once you catch it, you

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know, it's a very basic thing.

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Yeah, I bring all this up because

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immediately when he got to the

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podium, Nick Flint has carried

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himself like a guy who's in control

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of the situation.

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He takes the stage and immediately

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expresses graciousness to the

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advantage organizers and to Alex

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in the same way a professional

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comic will make a point to draw the

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audience's attention to the host,

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the other comics on the lineup and

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the waitstaff.

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This sends an explicit message that

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endears you to the audience.

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It's your time with the microphone,

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but you want to cede some of that

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time to give it up for the unsung

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people who have made this possible.

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It's a very little thing.

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And you see it from pretty much

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every decent headliner at a comedy

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show. But Nick isn't the headliner

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of this event. There's more speakers

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after him and literally no one else

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has behaved like this throughout the

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entire time.

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Yep. These are subtle cues that

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Nick is sending that he's above all

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this, but he's also very magnanimous

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and gracious.

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He's acting like a celebrity drop

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in performer who's grateful to do

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your bar show and thrilled to be

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there for my time in comedy.

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I would say it's the James Adomian

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type. Ah, Nick Fuentes

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is a real piece of shit, but he's

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good at these things, which is

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really bad.

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It's very troubling.

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So because I felt a sense that Nick

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Fuentes seems to be becoming a more

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ascended figure in the world of

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Infowars might be the sort

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of thing that spells trouble.

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We've seen in the past how easily

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co-optable Alex and Infowars are

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from Robert Roger Stone to Robert

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Barnes, from all the meme assholes

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to whatever intern told Alex about

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4chan is very, very malleable.

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He's he's suggestible.

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It feels like there's a decent chance

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that Nick is going to become a far

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bigger and more prominent figure in

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our world than I'd like him to be.

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So I figured it might be worth our

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time to take a little bit of a

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little trip to learn

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a little bit more about where this

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guy comes from.

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God damn it.

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I fucking hate him.

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Right. Well, you might be interested

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to learn some of this stuff then.

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OK.

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So as we know, Nick Fuentes is now

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a firebrand, crypto fascist,

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Catholic, Catholic nationalist

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and traditionalist who prefers

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to sum himself up as America first.

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Sure.

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He was broadcasting a show by that

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name on YouTube until he was

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recently booted from the platform

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for repeated violations of hate

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speech rules.

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He's become a very public shithead.

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And one of the things that makes him

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so particularly notable is that he's

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very young.

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Nick is only 21 years old.

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And despite his youth and

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inexperience in life, he's managed

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to create a sizable following of

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disaffected conservative young white

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men who call themselves grippers,

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which is apparently a reference to

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Pepe the Frog.

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Great. Nick got his start in the

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world of political broadcasting in

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high school.

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He attended Lions Township High

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School in LaGrange, Illinois, which

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is a public school.

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No shit.

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He's from over here.

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What a goddamn state.

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That's a way to put it.

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I thought I hated Indiana.

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Now I know that we have him.

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So this is a public school, but

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it's a school that has a particular

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character to it.

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The student body is 73 percent white

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as opposed to the statewide average

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of forty nine percent.

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More notably, probably only 14

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percent of the students at Lions

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were eligible for free lunch

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programs compared to the 46 percent

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average for Illinois schools.

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The indicators around the school

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paint a picture of an environment

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that Nick came into adolescence in,

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and it's a predominantly white and

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affluent environment.

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Lions Township is a school that has

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an offshoot television station

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called LTTV.

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On November 5th, 2015, Nick

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Fuentes released the very first

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episode of the Nicholas J.

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Fuentes show on LTTV.

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And just a quick look at the show

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makes it crystal clear that high

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school Nick was very similar to who

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he is today in some ways and very

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different in others.

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So he was that shithead.

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One thing that jumps out at you is

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that Nick carries himself with an

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almost comical level of self

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importance in this high school AV

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class project.

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He's got a suit and tie on and is

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sitting at a wooden table doing a

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political roundtable show where he

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discusses the big issues of the day

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with two other 16 year olds he has

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homeroom with.

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It's the same kind of stiff upper

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lip thing that you can see today in

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his speech at Alex's event.

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Any normal person would not be able

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to carry on the illusion that what

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they're doing has any meaning at

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all. But Nick soldiers forward.

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He's committed to being taken

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seriously, so he'll take a dumb

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conversation about the 2016

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Republican primary with his high

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school friends as seriously as he

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would if he were hosting the McNeil

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Lehrer hour.

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And he's you know, he'll pretend

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that he's glad to be speaking at a

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quarter full ballroom with a bunch

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of losers and Alex drunkenly

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interrupting everyone.

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You can see that this is a skill

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that he's had. Yeah.

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Putting on a brave face.

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Yeah, he's got chops.

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But some things are very different.

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Here is the opening moments

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from Nick's first show again from

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November 5th, 2015.

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I don't hate immigrants.

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This is where he describes his

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political ideology.

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Hello, everybody.

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I am Nicholas J.

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Fuentes. You're watching the

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Nicholas J.

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Fuentes show.

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Since this is our first episode, I

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thought I'd offer a brief

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introduction.

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I am a libertarian with a small

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L, a Republican and a

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constitutionalist.

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So you can see that he identifies

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as a libertarian.

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Flash forward to the present day.

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And here's what he said, along with

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Milo Yiannopoulos when he recently

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did an interview with him about

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libertarians.

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They're selfish, preposterous,

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self-interested cowards

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who have given up on trying to come

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up with a worthwhile solution to fix

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civilization in society.

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I mean, I have nothing but contempt

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for libertarians, which is one of the

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points of ideological contact I

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think we have.

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Absolutely.

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So that's changed for sure.

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People grow up, though, and their

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ideologies can go from believing a

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thing and then a little while later

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they agree with a sad, washed up

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propaganda saying that people who

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believe that same thing are the

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worst. That does happen.

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That's not too wild.

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Who among us hasn't said to Milo

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Yiannopoulos?

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Whatever you think is right, bro.

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So clearly something happened with

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Nick after November 5th, 2015

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that changed him.

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But was it 9-11?

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No, it's hard to say he's not

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Dennis Miller.

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It's hard to say exactly what that

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thing was.

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I needed to learn more.

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So I watched these high school shows

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of his and I have to say that they're

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pretty eye opening.

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His first episode was a breakdown of

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the candidates in the 2016 primaries.

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He's in favor of Ted Cruz and Rand

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Paul, which makes sense for a weirdo

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conservative type.

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But all that's way less important

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than his stance on Donald Trump.

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Now, everyone's been talking about

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the Trump phenomenon, and it is

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important and historic.

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What do you have to consider about

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Donald Trump is that he's not an

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ideologue. He is an opportunist.

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He's not a conservative.

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And it doesn't matter what he is,

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because all he wants is power.

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Now, it's clear that he's not a

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conservative. You look at any

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history of them on the issues.

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He's been pro-abortion.

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He's been anti-property rights.

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He's pro-protectionism in this

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election. His immigration policy

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resembles Patrick Stars.

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We're going to take the immigrants

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and push them somewhere else.

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It's basically ridiculous.

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So who does that sound like?

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Sounds a whole lot like Alex Jones

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talking about Trump in the summer

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of 2015.

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Alex phrased it more in terms of

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Trump being a corrupt mobster who's

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only out for himself, but Nick is

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pretty close to that theme with his

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pointing out that Trump is an

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opportunist who's only interested

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in power.

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Scratch beneath the surface of the

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current day fringe Trump supporters

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and you'll often find them clearly

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expressing that Trump is a piece of

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shit you can't trust back in 2015.

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Yeah. It's it's funny how

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how you change whenever somebody

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wins the ring.

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You know, Lindsey Graham.

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Oh, he was so against Trump.

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He was against him.

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Nick talks a little bit more about

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Trump's candidacy in this next

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clip again from this 2015 video.

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Now, Donald Trump is doing so well

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because he appeals to the

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Republicans, not in fighting the

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Democrats, but in fighting the

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establishment.

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We haven't fought the Democrats

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since 2012, since Mitt Romney

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ran against Barack Obama.

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Since then, the Republicans have

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not been fighting the Democrats,

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but other Republicans, rhinos,

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Republicans in name only.

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And Donald Trump has served a very

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important function in breaking the

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monopoly of John Boehner, of Paul

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Ryan, of Reince Priebus, and having

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people of, by and for the

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people they were intended to

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represent.

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Now, having said that, Donald

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Trump has served his function.

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His time is over.

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It's time for serious candidates.

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Let the adults talk, Donald.

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We don't need the exclamatory

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phrases, the borderline racist

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remarks.

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Now we need real candidates.

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In 2015, even Nick Fuentes

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could recognize that the things

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that Trump was saying were racist.

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It's a sliding scale.

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So to Nick, they might be

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borderline racist, but that's still

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saying a lot, considering some of

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the stuff Nick says these days,

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like the time in 2019 when he

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spent a chunk of his show

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expounding on his love of saying

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the N-word.

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So it turns out that in 2019,

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saying the N-word is a

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revolutionary act.

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I'm a proponent of it.

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You know, I say it freely,

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openly.

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I won't say it in this show

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because I don't want to get banned

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right now.

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I don't want to get banned.

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I don't want this to become so

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good or anything.

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But so the N-word is truly a

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revolutionary fighter.

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Let's stop pretending that it's

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about anything more than it's

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funny.

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And that's who I want to lead

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me. Sure.

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Yeah. So interestingly,

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from that last clip about Trump,

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you can see that Nick has

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recognized the value of Trump

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sticking it to the Republican

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establishment.

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But that job is done at

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that point in November 2015.

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He doesn't serve any further

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purpose, really, and he needs to

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step aside so adult real

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candidates like Ted Cruz can

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come front and center.

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At this point, it really seems

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clear that he's not the same

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Nick Fuentes from an ideological

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perspective.

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He's expressing a disapproval of

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Trump's racist language.

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He recognizes him as a con man,

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and he resents that he's taking

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attention away from real

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conservative candidates that he

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wants to see win.

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There are little flickers of

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anti-Jewish inclinations,

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you know, that you would later

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fully embrace, but they're

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subtle.

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And even honestly, they're

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debatable in this old clip, like

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this one weird aside he has when

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he's talking about Ben Carson's

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tax proposal.

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Now, having said that, his

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platform is also important in

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that it barely exists.

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The only thing that he's offered

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up is a tax plan, a 10 percent

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tithing program, which resembles

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the Old Testament.

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It's hard to say if that was

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even a dig on the Old Testament.

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It's tough to say.

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That is tough.

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If it weren't Nick Fuentes, I

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honestly wouldn't even be that

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suspicious at all.

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No, I really would.

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Yeah.

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My point is that for the most

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part, this dude just seems like a

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kind of a trying too hard, taking

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himself too seriously.

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Young conservative.

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Yeah, he's Reese Witherspoon.

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Sure.

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And election or whatever it is.

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I thought that this glimpse into

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Nick's roots was fascinating

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because although I definitely

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disagreed with most of the stuff

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he was saying in the video from a

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political perspective, it's a

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completely different person than

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the one we've seen as the leader

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of the America first groipers.

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It's a completely different

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person than the guy who would

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jokingly dabble in Holocaust

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denial while hiding behind

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calling murdered Jews cookies.

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Something happened that changed

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Nick dramatically, and I can

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guarantee that it happened prior

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to April 2016.

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On April 6th, 2016, Nick

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released episode six of the

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Nicholas J Fuentes show in which

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he debated a fellow high schooler

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about Donald Trump.

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By this point, Nick had

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completely changed his position

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and he was fully on board with

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the Trump candidacy, which seems

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weird.

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In this clip, Nick explains that

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Trump would be a good president

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because Trump demonstrates how we

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can't even have a debate about

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hot button issues in this country

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anymore.

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I support Ted Cruz.

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He's my first pick, but I think

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Donald Trump will be good for

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America.

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And the reason I think that is

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because you can't have

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the debate in this country

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anymore.

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And I've experienced this this

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entire week in my economics

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class.

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I brought up how the gender wage

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gap is a myth and that

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the statistics don't support it.

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I was called names.

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I was shouted down.

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My statistics were ripped up.

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So Nick clearly read some

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anti-feminist, anti-SJW blogs

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and brought that business into

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his econ class.

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And it didn't go well.

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And now it's clear that the

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Bolsheviks are in charge of

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public education.

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Sure.

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I'm going to go out on a limb

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and assume that his high school

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economics class wasn't even

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covering the wage gap because

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the complexity of that issue

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from an actual econ perspective

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is kind of outside the scope of

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public education in high school.

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There was supply and then there

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was demand.

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Those two I recall.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Nick

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just got a bad response trying to

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argue against a position no one

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was expressing.

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But Nick goes on to discuss what

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made him turn the corner on

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Trump.

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And it's really weird.

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You look at any other

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discussion even when Donald

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Trump rings up that in

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his announcement speech he said

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that Mexico was sending their

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criminals, their rapists, their

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drugs, whatever.

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And the first response was

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racist.

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He's a racist.

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Shut him down.

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Never mind the discussion on

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illegal immigration.

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Never mind the policy proposals.

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If you break down what he

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actually said and the syntax of

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it, it wasn't racist.

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But that didn't matter.

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That clip is fascinating because

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Nick is saying in April 2016,

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that's when he's saying these

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things, but in November 2015 he

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was saying of Trump that, quote,

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we don't need the borderline

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racist remarks.

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But now he's mad that other

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people, presumably the evil

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left, they take Trump's comments

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and call them racist.

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Weird.

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And then there's the further

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point where Nick is saying that

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people just say Trump's comments

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are racist without addressing

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Trump's point about immigration.

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But back in 2015, Nick himself

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addressed Trump's policies about

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immigration, saying, quote, his

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immigration policy resembles

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Patrick Stars.

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We're going to take the

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immigrants and push them

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somewhere else.

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It's ridiculous.

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Nick himself rejected the

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immigration talk that was

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supposedly behind the comments

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that were being called racist.

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And he himself had deemed Trump's

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commentary to be borderline

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racist mere months earlier.

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It's weird.

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He is.

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It is so much like this

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makes it clear exactly what this

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kid is. He's like a creation

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of the feedback loop.

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Yep. Like this is a kid who

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was only like

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at 15 or 16 or whatever.

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He's clearly mimicking the

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fucking line.

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He's got the line from the

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GOP TV, not from

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the GOP TV, I think from the

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fringe.

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Oh, 2015.

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Yeah, he's got the line from

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the 2015.

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Then the line changed from the GOP

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to we got to defeat Hillary.

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He's created.

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He's swept up in this.

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This is the feedback loop.

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And then he finds the one spot

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where he can exploit the feedback

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loop. And this guy is he's

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like the fucking ghost in the

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shell, like he was created within

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the feedback loop.

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It does. It's nothing.

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It does feel like that.

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And I think we'll get

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even stronger indications of that

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by looking a little bit more.

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Yeah, he's empty.

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So the other high school student

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in this debate is not a liberal.

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He's another young conservative.

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He began the debate by appealing

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to Milton Friedman.

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If that gives you if that gives

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you any idea of whether or not

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he's wearing a tie.

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All

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right. These are the cool kids.

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Yeah, this actually comes

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off pretty well, even though even

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though I disagree with some of his

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conclusions, I'm not going to beat

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him up too much. He's a fucking high

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school and he's insanely

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annoying. Yeah, I don't know.

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I think he has some pretty decent

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points. We shouldn't do

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this. You shouldn't vote for Trump.

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It's a ridiculous thing to do.

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That's fair. So the other guy, he

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tries to explain to Nick that it's

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clear that Trump appeals to Nick

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because he's an insurgent, but

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he's a bad kind of insurgent.

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What I'm talking about is what he's

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saying is not going to be good for

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America. What he says is that

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he's like, I'm not going to he

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tweeted the other day a picture side

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by side of his wife and

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Ted Cruz's wife.

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And when he said,

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I mean, if this is the if

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this is the standard of what we're

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putting, you want an insurgent.

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And but this isn't the insurgency

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I think you want, Nick.

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Absolutely. It is.

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And what Nick, I

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wish you were sitting in my chair

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to look at you and see how ignorant

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you're being right now.

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Really? That's not an argument.

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That's an ad hominem.

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You can tell a couple of important

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things from that clip.

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Nick sucks.

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Well, put that on the board is number

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one.

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In the episode from November, Nick

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was against Trump because he wasn't

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being a serious candidate like his

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first choice, Ted Cruz.

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Now, now in

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April, apparently the desire for

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seriousness is gone.

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And it's totally cool for Trump to

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tweet about how his wife is hotter

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than Ted Cruz's wife.

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The qualification for a candidate

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needing to be serious has been

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abandoned.

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The second thing you can see from

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that clip is Nick's quip, quote,

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that's not an argument.

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That's an ad hominem.

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This sort of talk was very popular

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in the right wing circles of the

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Internet around this time when

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debating and taking on a bit of a

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pugilistic character.

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It's probably didn't start with him,

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but Stefan Molyneux definitely had a

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big part in popularizing philosophy

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language, being deployed by people

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who didn't really understand the

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terms, and they would use it to

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deflect any criticism of their

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positions or what they're doing by

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calling it an ad hominem attack.

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Not an argument.

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That's that's criticism.

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That's ex post facto, Dan.

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It doesn't count. Right.

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That's what that means.

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A priori, a priori.

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This is a little bit of a clue to

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me that Nick might have been spending

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some time in those types of online

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communities.

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The third and most important thing

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here is that the other guy and Nick

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are friends. That was established

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earlier in the debate.

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So when he's saying that he wishes

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Nick could see him from his seat,

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he's expressing a feeling that this

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position Nick is taking is foreign.

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This is a person who knows you,

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saying you've changed and I wish you

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could see things from outside

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yourself.

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A lot of this conversation surrounds

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the difference of opinion about how

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electing Trump would lead to the

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international community, thinking

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we're a bunch of dumb, dumb idiots

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who would elect someone like Trump.

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That's discussed in this next clip.

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And I think it really reveals a

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ton of where Nick is coming from.

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Here's what I here's what I don't

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care for. I don't think that we

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should elect a president based on

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what the British Parliament

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will find distasteful in their

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opinion.

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You don't care about what our oldest

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ally thinks of us.

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Oh, Israel or the UK?

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Oh, because here's why.

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The UK and Europe have taken

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a course different from America's.

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It's a course which America has not

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confronted the crossroads yet, or at

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least it might be too far gone.

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It might not be.

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But Europe has decided to take the

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road of multiculturalism and

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they've decided to embrace Islam

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and other cultures.

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And not even I won't even say Islam

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is again, I don't want to offend

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moderate Muslims. But when you see

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what they're importing from the

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Middle East, from Yemen, from

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Somalia, and you see,

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you know, what happened in Cologne

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on New Year's, you see what happened

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in Brussels, what happened in Paris,

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you see the no go zones across

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France, Germany and Belgium.

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You see that Sweden has become the

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number two country in rapes

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per capita because of refugees

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from Yemen and from Somalia and

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Eritrea. And you understand that

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Europe is not America.

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They have forsaken their culture and

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that will be to their demise.

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Nick, I can't let that happen.

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You can see so much from that clip.

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All that multicultural anxiety,

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the Muslims coming into Europe, all

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that was absent from his

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consideration of candidates back in

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November. But now it's front and

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center. Seems really important.

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Incidentally, those are exactly the

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red pill talking points that were

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making the rounds in the online

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fringe right wing communities.

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Most of them complete

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misrepresentations of statistics

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packaged in such a way so they

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could be useful to help young white

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men argue aggressively against

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multiculturalism.

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To put it simply, Nick just sounds

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like a guy who read a bunch of

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4chan and changed his whole vibe.

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Yeah, you can see another thing

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here, too. That jab at Israel that

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you responded to.

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Fuck you.

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I don't dare. I'm 32.

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I'm not going to be lectured about.

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Fuck off. So the thing about the Old

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Testament and his November video,

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you know, being close to Ben

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Carson's tax plan, that was

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debatable.

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But this one is not.

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That's clearly an indication of

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anti-Israel sentiment, which is

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also a primary element of the

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extreme online rights rhetoric.

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And as this conversation goes on,

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it's just one outright meme after

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another. You even I

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think even you as someone who

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hasn't spent a lot of time studying

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this stuff, I think you'll be able

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to pick out a couple in this clip.

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You think that if America and this

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is a problem and I hesitate to call

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you this, but I will define

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this culture from the establishment

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and from these moderate Republicans

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and from the conservatives.

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They are cock servants.

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And what I got B24, they lack

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the boldness.

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They don't want to reassert American

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and Western culture as superior,

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which it is.

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I got 0 9.

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Yep, sunk, sunk his ship.

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The cuck insult and cuck servitive

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was really hot in specific

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communities around this time,

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particularly the cuck servitive

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form. And Nick pulling it out in

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this conversation is a signifier of

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the places he's hanging out.

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It's just a forensic fingerprint.

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The same goes for the open and

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explicit rhetoric about the West

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being superior to other cultures.

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That was a fundamental piece of the

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online far right at this point in

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time. And the more Nick talks, the

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more clear it is he's just rattling

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off lingo that he learned from his

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cool new edgy online friends.

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Yeah, I think at this point, it

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seems pretty hard for me to get

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away from the conclusion that

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between November 2015 and April

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2016, Nick Fuentes was

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hanging out in some real edgy

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right wing communities online.

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And as the kids say, he got red

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pilled.

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He's using all the new cool lingo.

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He's repeating popular talking

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points from all right communities

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around this time.

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His friend is indicating that he's

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changed like Nick is a complete

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asshole now.

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So it's often easy to lose sight of

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the fact that he's 21.

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So in 2015, he was 16

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years old.

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I wonder

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why so many of these people

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constantly report losing friends

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and family whenever you see

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a wonderful young man

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calling his friend a

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conservative.

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Yeah, I can't imagine why they

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would lose friends and family.

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Strange. It seems odd.

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And it must be because the media is

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against probably the Bolsheviks

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running the media.

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Sounds right. That sounds right.

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As far as I can tell from these

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snapshots and an awareness of what

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was going on at the time, it's hard

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for me not to see Nick Fuentes as a

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conservative kid who bought into the

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extreme right propaganda.

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He was being fed in the form of edgy

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memes when he was an impressionable

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16 year old who didn't have the

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emotional maturity to handle it.

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The only thing that really

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distinguishes him in any way from

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any other angry kid who just

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harasses people online anonymously

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is that Nick is blessed with talent.

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As much as he sucks on so many

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levels, it would be pointlessly

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dishonest for me to pretend that he

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doesn't have an almost startling

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level of competence, even back in

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those high school videos.

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He's slick and he's quick on his

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feet. He's able to bluff a decent

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argument out of nowhere or come up

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with a deflection to an argument

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that he doesn't want to have.

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Nick is a piece of shit and he's

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fully responsible for the positions

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that he puts into the world now.

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And none of what I feel about him

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changes that.

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But I'll never really be able to

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take him too seriously, because at

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the end of the day, he's just a kid

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who got radicalized and just so

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happened to have the talent and

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skills required to transition into

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being a cult leader himself.

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Yeah.

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And honestly, it's more sad than

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anything else.

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There's clearly something he

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desperately needed prior to April

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2016, and that had nothing

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to do with misrepresented European

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crime stats.

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He probably always had a little bit

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of that racist shithead vibe in him.

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But the way that the Trump campaign

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and the online world surrounding it

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changed the definitions of what was

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acceptable to advocate clearly

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did a number on him.

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Yeah.

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Nick is not the first of this sort

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and he won't be the last.

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The only really notable thing

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about him right now is that

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he's more talented than these

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idiots like Baked Alaska or Laura

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Loomer.

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And because he's figured out this

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novel strategy, that's

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really what makes him notable.

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He's figured out this strategy.

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And I think that it's maybe 100

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times more effective than the things

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employed by like Richard Spencer.

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By attacking right wing scammers

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from the right, he's essentially

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repeating the parts that made the

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tea party successful.

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Just this time, he doesn't have to

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deal with Glenn Beck crying all

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over the place about his nine

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principles and eleven rules

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or whatever.

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Yeah.

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So when he...

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Wait, wasn't it 912?

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Oh, yes, it was. Sorry.

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What a fucking moron.

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I can't believe we all lived with

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that. That was fine.

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That was weird.

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We just were fine.

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Yeah.

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So this strategy that is employing

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of attacking things like Turning

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Point USA and Ben Shapiro from

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the right by presenting his

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group as the real conservatives.

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And what does real conservative

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mean? Well, whatever I wanted.

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It basically is a crypto

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Catholic fascism with

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a bunch of other wrinkles to it.

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So you have that.

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But that's a really good strategy

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because, I mean, there's a whole

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bunch of elements to why it's a

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good strategy.

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These people cannot fight you.

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Yeah.

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For one.

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Second, the people who

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would be opposed to you

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on the left or the mainstream

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media, for the most part, are

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going to leave you alone when

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you're attacking Charlie Kirk.

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Hey, people are going to go for

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it. Let them fight.

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That's going to be the reaction

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that a lot of people have.

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They'll think it's funny that

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there's this internecine fight

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between these fringe right wing

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groups and never pay the

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attention that would be required

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in order to treat you like

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you deserve to be treated.

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Right. Which is a sad

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16 year old boy who went

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online and found some shit you

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shouldn't have.

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Now, clearly what he's clearly

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his talent is mimicry.

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Like big from from

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that from that first video.

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You did not hear anything

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but a kid who was channeling.

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But he's a battle.

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He was doing it well.

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Very well. He's a really, really

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good mimic. Even now is

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I don't know what or

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if he believes anything

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because I don't know what or if

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any of these people believe

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anything.

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That's hard to say.

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If they're on the grip side,

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it could go any direction.

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I had some feelings about that.

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I think he's more sincere in

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some of his position.

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Well, that's what worries me.

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Right. And me too.

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Yeah. And because of how

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corruptible and influenceable

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Alex and Infowars are

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and the way that the groipers

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have clearly voiced

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support of

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Owen.

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And they're growing in

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strength.

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And I don't know, I don't know

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if they're going to some extent.

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If they cannibalize Turning

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Point, then, yeah, they're

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growing in strength.

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And an ideologue that believes

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the bullshit he's spewing is

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dangerous.

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It feels like there's less of a

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grift element to it than

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other things.

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And that's just because as far

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as I can tell, I don't see

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branding from Nick.

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Yeah, like I don't see him

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selling pills or buckets.

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I don't see.

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Well, he's not he's not a good

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grifter. He's a good mimic.

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He's mimicking the grifters, but

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he's forgetting the grift part.

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That's what he's fucking up.

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There could be some dark money

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somewhere, but I don't I don't

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necessarily know if that's the

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case. I would assume because, you

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know, he's talked about it in

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interviews before how he lives

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with his parents in the suburbs

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of Chicago, like those

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poor, poor, doesn't have a lot

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of or they're complicit in this

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whole nightmare could be.

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I have no idea, but like

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he doesn't have a ton of overhead

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necessarily to what he needs to

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do.

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And so until he got kicked off

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YouTube, I'm pretty sure that

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based on the audience that he

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had, like he wasn't demonetized

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until fairly

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soon before he got kicked off.

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Yeah. So like he was probably

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making a pretty good amount of

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money from that and then

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whatever donations might be

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coming in.

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I could see him being fully

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self-sustainable without having

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to do too much grift.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Whereas people like Alex have

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overexerted themselves and

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there's too much sunk money.

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They got too used to the grift.

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Right. Right.

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And so they're beholden to it in

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a way that someone like like

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Nick is a bit more flexible in

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that way.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So I wanted to get into

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that a little bit because I

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think it's interesting when

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you see the way that

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Nick has become, you know, he's

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come back on Alex's show.

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Alex immediately was like, you

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need to get we need to get you

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to this rally up the way the

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audience is largely

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Nick's fans and the way he's

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carrying himself in charge.

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He is he is so

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confident there that that's

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going to rub off a bit.

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Yeah.

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I felt it was worthwhile to

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take a little look at some of

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these earlier times things

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because the picture of him is

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incomplete.

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If you don't recognize that

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most of this philosophy is

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born out of this online

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radicalization that he clearly

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was subject to when he was too

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young to handle it.

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And like what you're saying, I

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think you I think the what you

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said was right on.

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It's the mimicry aspect.

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In 2015, you're mimicking the

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mainstream GOP

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talking about like, hey, Ben

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Carson's the leader in the

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clubhouse and Rand Paul

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is great conservative.

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But I don't know if it's going

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anywhere. Right.

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Very, very much that.

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And then when you get exposed

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to the online extreme

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stuff, you start mimicking that

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and then you become it.

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Yeah, I almost see

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him like a fucking

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he's almost like an empty

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vessel.

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Now that I've because

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like the more that I the more

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that I go through listening to

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all of that shit, all I see is

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him just writing

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this writing this this

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sharp written this rage,

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this like inexplicable rage.

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And it it doesn't come

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from him.

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Well, it does.

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No, no. I mean, there's

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something. No, absolutely.

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There's a pain.

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Absolutely.

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No, no. One hundred percent.

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You don't become a 21 year old

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psychopath without some pain

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somewhere along the line.

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Right. But it's

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like it's it's

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almost like he's just the

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avatar for these people.

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It has nothing to do with him.

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It's not self-generated.

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And when that rage is

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dissipated, they won't stick

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with Nick.

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Probably stay with probably

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not if that rage is dissipated.

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I don't you know, I don't think

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that this has

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because he doesn't have any

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actual talent other than

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mimicking that.

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I mean, maybe he'll get a he'd

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be perfect as a political

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hack on Fox News or whatever.

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Well, great at it to the extent

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that you're you know, you exist

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solely as like this thing that

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is just a mirror and

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a re amplification of

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other things that you take in.

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I think that as you get older

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and grow up, you can learn to

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shift that.

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Oh, for sure.

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And I think that that's one of

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the things that you'd need to

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worry about is him metastasizing

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it to be right.

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The mimic that becomes sentient

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or whatever.

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I mean, it's like any it's like

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any comic starting out, you

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know, the first thing you're

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doing is basically stealing

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nobody else's persona almost

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universally.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And then you create, you know,

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unless you're fucking Eddie

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Murphy. Right.

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But even then, he was he was

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stealing other people.

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Yeah. But but like.

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I just I really

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thought coming into this from

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so many of these interactions

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with Nick Fuentes, his work,

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that he was something more

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than what I see him as now,

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which is an empty

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he's empty to me.

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He's just empty in the same way

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a lot of these people are who

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just mirror back the

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prepackaged talking points.

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Oh, for sure.

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Everybody, all these like

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right wing people are like, we

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don't use talking points because

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we don't get MSNBC,

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you know, whatever they but

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following the talking point

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that they're all saying, we

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don't use talking points because

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we're not on tape.

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They take away the fact that the

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talking points they're getting

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are self-generating

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in the online spaces that

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these things come from.

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Yeah, they're feeling more than

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anything else. I've listened to a

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ton of his debates and his

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speeches and some of his shows.

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And what it is, is that it

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is largely regurgitation,

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but super competent.

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Yeah, like he's very slick.

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He seems like a nice guy.

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That's so annoying.

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Yeah. What a monster.

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So we'll get back to his speech

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here. And he asks,

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he starts off with like a

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interesting question that I have

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the answer for.

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OK, but it is it

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is very exciting.

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You know, I look at this room

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here. We've got Alex, we've got

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Owen, we've got Gavin, we've got

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a lot of big names.

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And I think to myself, like, why

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haven't we done this sooner?

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What a wonderful

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Nick poses an interesting

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question there.

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Like, why haven't I been in this

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sooner?

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From a logistical perspective, I

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have no idea why they haven't, but

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as an external observer, I would

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say that this entire show up till

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this point has been a pretty solid

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argument for why it hasn't happened.

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Fringe weirdo congressional

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candidates trying to lock up the

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fringe weirdo vote, scammers

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trying to Trojan horse a

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fundraising scheme into a speech,

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Alex getting progressively more

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problematically drunk.

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I think the argument for not doing

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this show is pretty well spelled

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out by doing the show.

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I have no idea why these people

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weren't invited to CPAC.

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I mean, we talk about Alex's

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toxic views so much, but

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you can't have Alex at CPAC just

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because he's going to try and fuck

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up the show.

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Sure. You know, like even if Alex

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was a regular old middle of the

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road moderate Republican, he's

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still going to get drunk and wander

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up on stage and try and do a show

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at you.

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True.

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So in this next clip, Nick talks

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about how his recent ban

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from YouTube makes him part of the

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band club.

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But tonight, I wanted to talk a

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little bit about censorship.

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This is, after all, the emergency

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First Amendment summit.

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We have rallied and gathered here

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genuinely could not tell you what's

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happening.

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And as you may know, this is

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something that has touched me very

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recently because I was banned

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off of YouTube on

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Valentine's Day.

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Yeah, you may remember this.

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Still a little bit sore, still hurts

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a little bit. I mean, we all knew

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it was coming for years, but when

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it finally hits you, I was

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just talking to Owen and some of the

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guys from Infowars.

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They said, you know, you're finally

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part of the band club banned

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from social media.

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Dog video. Great.

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Awesome.

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I'm glad to be a part of that.

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Right.

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But it does show that you're doing

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something right here.

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Again, we see that insidious

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mindset of thinking that

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consequences equal virtue.

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Nick has been banned from YouTube.

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Thus, it must mean that he was doing

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something right, which is just bad

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reasoning, no matter how you slice

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it. That mentality is ubiquitous

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in this group because it's a crutch.

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More importantly, I want to draw your

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attention to the fact that Nick

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Fuentes called this the Emergency

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First Amendment Summit.

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That is the official name of this

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event. And he is literally the first

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speaker to recognize that.

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It does seem like he is slick.

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He gets on stage and thanks the

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people that are putting on the event.

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He uses the name of the event.

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In contrast to how everyone else has

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demonstrated a complete ignorance

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of or a disrespect for the normal

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etiquette of performance, Nick has

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nailed almost every little piece

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of it. He's good at this, and

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that's how he's able to get away

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with a lot of the stuff that he

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does, because he's overly competent

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and many of the subtle social

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signifiers like pretending

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to be humble and being appreciative.

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This is this is it makes

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up for a lot. This episode is,

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one, a great way of skewering

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right wing propaganda

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and laughing at ridiculous people.

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Sure. And also is a perfect

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blueprint for how to run a show.

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If you're listening to this and

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you're running your show and it if

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if you are making any of these

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fucking mistakes, there you

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go. We fixed your fucking

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show for you. Low key.

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I might have been like really

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personal thinking about this.

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This is one hundred percent

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personal for you.

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I care about show production.

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I know this is something that we

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have talked about a lot.

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I'm no Todd Glass.

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I have a lot of thoughts.

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All you need. All you need is one

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red curtain, one red curtain behind

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you. Yeah. So Nick talks about

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this fact that he's been banned.

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That was a joke. But what if it was

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the joke? Stop it.

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Nick talks about how he's been banned

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from YouTube. And now that proves

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that he is not controlled

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opposition.

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It's interesting. For a long time,

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there is maybe a silver lining to

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being banned from YouTube.

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For the longest time, people used

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to tell me that I was controlled

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opposition because I wasn't banned

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from YouTube. They would say, why

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are you on YouTube? Still, doesn't

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that show that you're still part of

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the system? But thankfully, now

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I can tell you being banned off of

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YouTube. No, I can't confirm I'm

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not a part of the system.

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But so that's a cute joke.

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But the fact that Nick was still on

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YouTube wasn't the main sticking

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point for people who accused him of

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being controlled opposition.

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What was that? It was the fact that

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he was not banned from Twitter.

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And in fact, his Twitter account

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is verified.

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Really? Yeah.

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In this interview that he did with

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Milo Yiannopoulos, you can hear him

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joking about that here.

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So when you're a Fed, you're still

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verified on Twitter.

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It's true. It's true.

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Only explanation.

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I flash my badge.

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I go to Twitter HQ.

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Who are the people still on Twitter?

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David Duke, Richard Spencer and you.

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Yeah. Yeah. But I have that.

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I have my blue checkmark.

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I think it's my last name.

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There's something up with you.

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True. I'm a gray alien.

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I work for NASA.

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I can feel you glowing from here.

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This is a light hearted thing and it

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came in the form of ribbing, but

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it's at least the second time in the

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first 20 minutes of that interview

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with Milo that a joke about Nick

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being controlled opposition because

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he's still on Twitter came up.

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As of this recording, Nick is still

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verified on Twitter.

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Well, that's because they're trying

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to wait. What?

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Yeah. Oh, no.

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So I think you could tell from this

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next clip that this audience is

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pretty heavily Knicks fans.

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You can hear them responding like

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how an audience would to a performer

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in a way that these other people

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are not.

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And I think it's so clear.

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Yes. Thank you.

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Can we get a shout out for the

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groupers?

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The groupers who are with us

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tonight.

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The groupers are taking over this

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whole week.

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So obviously, like it,

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if you're in that room and you're

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Alex or you're anybody else, you

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recognize this

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guy has taken over

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our event. Oh, yeah.

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The audience is clearly on

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his side, whether or not he has won

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them over or they came because of

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him. Yeah, he is.

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I mean, to use the word that he used

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in that high school debate, he's

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cucking out this event.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Alex hasn't interrupted him.

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Wait for it.

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OK. Hey, all right.

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It will come.

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I was wondering because Alex has

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got to take power back somehow.

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It's true. And he does.

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All right.

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Nick starts talking about this free

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speech stuff and how

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the Republicans and the GOP,

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they don't really care about

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free speech.

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Yeah, but is he sure?

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But he has a really interesting take

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on this. And it's actually probably

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a decent point to some extent.

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OK, but it's also really scary to

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hear someone like him using.

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All right.

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We know that at one point in

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time, the left was

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in favor of free speech.

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We remember during the anti-war

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Vietnam protests, we remember

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that Berkeley was supposedly the

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birthplace of free speech on the

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college campus.

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And now they've turned against free

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speech.

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Why is that?

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We all know why that is, because

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free speech is a tool

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that benefits dissidents.

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Now that the left is in power,

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they have no need for free speech.

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Free speech is the means through

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which dissidents challenge

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their institutional power in the

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establishment.

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They were outside of power and they

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supported free speech.

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Now they are inside in power and

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they are against free speech.

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And a similar thing actually

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has happened on the right.

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I don't know if I agree with some

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of the finer points of Nick's

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assessment here, but I want to

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leave all that aside and focus on

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this very important point.

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And it's something that makes Nick

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super dangerous.

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Nick is completely aware that the

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authoritarians of the past have

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used bullshit free speech whining

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to weasel their way into public

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spaces.

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He knows that George Lincoln

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Rockwell, the founder of the

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American Nazi Party, used debates

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about free speech as a tool to

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mainstream and normalize his

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bigoted ideology, as if pretty

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much every extreme right wing fuck

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ever since.

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I'm not sure he's right about the

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left using free speech to take

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over power after the 60s,

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considering that after 1969,

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there wasn't a Democrat in the

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presidency other than the very

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ineffectual one term of Jimmy

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Carter until Bill Clinton took

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office in 1993.

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From 1969 to 1993,

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Democrats were only in the

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presidency four out of the 24

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years, which, if you're paying

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attention, means Republicans were

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in power 20 of the 24

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years now.

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But the left is in control

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now, obviously, always.

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Obviously, we can see that it's

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the left who's the right.

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Well, I mean, Alex has already

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said the Breitbart's a leftist

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public. There we go.

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We're all Nazis.

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What's interesting is that Nick

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seems to be wanting to have his

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cake and eat it, too, in this

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clip.

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On the one hand, he seems to be

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completely exposing the game and

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saying that everyone just

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pretends to be into free speech,

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but it's really just a means for

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them to get power.

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On the other hand, he seems to be

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still insinuating that he,

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unlike the Democrats and

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Republicans, is the one who

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actually cares about free

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speech.

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And if he were to rise to power,

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he would be the only one who

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wouldn't immediately forget about

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the issue.

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This is an impressive level of

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cynicism, but I also think

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that it could be dangerously

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effective.

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There are tons of disenchanted

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folks on the right who are sick

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of people like Steven Crowder and

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the entire flock of free speech

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profiteers, and it could be super

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appealing as a thing for them to

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hear, like on the right, to

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have someone on the right call

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out the scam for what it is.

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An ideologue who believes his own

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bullshit is dangerous.

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Granted, people like Nick are

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pretty selective in their

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targeting.

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Like, he'll say people like

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Crowder or Ben Shapiro or Turning

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Point, they're scamming on free

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speech to gain power, but he

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doesn't have that same complaint

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about Milo Yiannopoulos or Alex

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Jones.

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That's because he doesn't care

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about them being free speech

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con men.

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He's just bitter that Crowder,

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Shapiro and Turning Point don't

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want to validate him, whereas

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Alex and Milo are desperate

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enough that they're willing to

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see if they can get a boost out

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of it.

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Because people like Nick are

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excluded from even being

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given access to the right

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wing mainstream.

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They can free themselves up to

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lob some pretty fairly accurate

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critiques of the scams of the

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right wing mainstream.

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To be perfectly clear, a lot of

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the critiques he makes are not

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accurate and actually just

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bigotry. But this one

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that they're using free speech

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trolling as a means of gaining

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power, but they don't care about

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free speech.

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That's a salient point.

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That is a fair point that he's

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making and he's free to do it.

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Right. I mean, it's but that's

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that's the way that we get into

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trouble with when the right wing

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starts criticizing like the FBI

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and shit like that, where you're

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like, yeah, the FBI is fucking

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evil and it would be harder to

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believe conspiracy theories

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about them if they didn't do so

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much evil shit.

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Yeah, the CIA is fucking evil.

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They didn't do this.

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But I get why you believe that,

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because they like how many how

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many Fred Hamptons do we have to

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get murdered before?

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It's like I get it.

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The cops are fucking evil, you

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know, like I understand.

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But you're doing it wrong.

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Right, right, right.

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You're doing it wrong.

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That doesn't take away the

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validity of the critique.

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No, absolutely not.

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Absolutely.

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And the power that it can have

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as a persuasive tool.

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Of course.

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But here's the thing, Jordan.

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Nick doesn't care about free

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speech either surprise.

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Here he is expressing that very

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clearly in one of the episodes of

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his show from twenty eighteen.

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You know, I was interviewed at

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Charlottesville as well by an

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Infowars reporter, Millie Weaver.

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I think Millie Weaver, you know,

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she was very surprised by by

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the Chad Reich.

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She was very surprised by how

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authoritarian we were that day

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because she was interviewing us

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saying, well, don't you think

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everybody has the right to free

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speech? And me and James Osip

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were like, no, no, they don't.

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These people pose a threat to

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the country.

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So in true fascist fashion,

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Nick uses the language that

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appeals to people.

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But what his political project

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is is working on, it's working

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on something entirely different.

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He can show up to a First

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Amendment rally while holding a

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position that people he

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disagrees with politically don't

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have free speech rights.

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This is because Nick Fuentes at

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his core is interested in

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creating a state that runs on

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Catholic fascism.

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Here is a clip of him from his

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show America First discussing how

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he would join Antifa if they

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were supporters of Mussolini or

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Francisco Franco.

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I had to take this clip from his

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interview with Milo's.

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There's a little bit of laughing

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from Milo's friends in the

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background to see that doesn't

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distract you too much.

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I don't know, man.

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If Antifa were marching down the

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streets and they were waving the

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banner of Benito Mussolini or

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Francisco Franco, I'd be joining

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them.

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Frankly, if Antifa

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was waving the banner of

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phalangism, if they were waving

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the banner of they would just be

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fun and they were saying, you

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know, Catholic fascism now,

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I would join them.

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I would become a part of Antifa.

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I would welcome Antifa.

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Yes. Take over the country.

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That's sort of played for humor.

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And I'm sure Nick would try to

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weasel out of this position by

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saying that his show is satire or

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some dumb shit.

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Fuck off. But he does later in

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that Milo interview express the

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position that Catholic theocracy

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would be preferable to our

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democratic system.

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If we want to become some kind of

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Catholic country.

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I mean, I don't know for Catholic

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theocracy. I don't know how that

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I don't think you'd hate it too

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much. I wouldn't know.

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It'd be preferable to what we have

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now.

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So you can see kind of some of the

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things that are behind

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his presentation of

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beliefs.

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So isn't that

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exactly the right way?

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Like right now, when we're talking

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so many fucking right wing

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op-eds are being written about the

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Democratic candidate that

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Democrats should choose.

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And it's always like, well,

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if Antifa were pha,

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then I would vote for them like

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it's literally if if Antifa

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were running and for

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a fascist, then I'd be for

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them. Yeah, like that's exactly

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what we're doing right now with all

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of that. Well, if the Democratic

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candidate would just be a

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Republican, we'd be voting

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for him, dummies.

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Interesting.

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So Nick has said that,

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you know, he doesn't you know, he

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got interviewed at Charlottesville

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at the Unite the Right rally by

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Millie Weaver, and he was talking

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about how these people that he

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disagreed with don't have free

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speech rights.

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But he does believe in some free

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speech rights.

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I think the First Amendment protects

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that kind of ridicule.

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If I want to say women are dumb,

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if I want to say if I want to say

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something nasty about black people,

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if I want to say something nasty

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about Jews and why would

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anybody want to do that?

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Listen to the smile.

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That's First Amendment.

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You can hear that smile.

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It's less a smile as it is a wink.

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You can hear it.

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Yeah. I want to say something mean

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about Jews.

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Why would anybody do that?

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You guys get it.

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I want to, but I'm not doing

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it.

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Seems to me like a real

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guy who just doesn't like the state

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of Israel as opposed to not

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liking Jewish people.

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Yeah. What a piece of shit.

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Right. So you can see that there's

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this conflict of I don't believe in

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free speech rights for people I

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disagree with.

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But free speech is an absolute

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necessity when it comes to me being

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able to say racist and hateful

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things. Some speech is more free

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than others.

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But free speech isn't really

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encroached if you want to be

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hateful, like the state isn't

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going to step down on you at all.

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This is all nonsense. The reason

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the state is cracking down on

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dissidents who want to say

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things like all women are dumb

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and racial slurs and all

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of that stuff is because

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what was I talking about again?

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Unclear.

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OK, so you have this

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muddy view of what free

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speech means.

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It's just a tool that Nick is using

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while at the same time being free to

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come to this speech and

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talk about how political forces

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use free speech as a weapon,

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basically.

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It's very scary.

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Nothing, nothing means anything.

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But you also see that from these

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indications that he has, he's very

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interested in something else.

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You know, he's interested in

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cultivating an absolute

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kind of power like this Catholic

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fascism idea that he's expressing.

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It's legitimately an authoritarian,

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religiously based monarchy that he

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would like to see come into power.

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So he's not particularly interested

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in the subtle free speech cons

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being run by people like Stephen

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Crowder and Charlie Kirk.

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Those guys aren't so much motivated

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in terms of bringing in an

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overt dictator as they are interested

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in marginalizing vulnerable people

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and making a profit off it.

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Nick's political project is much

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broader in scope than that, so he

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can afford to call out the trivial

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game that others on the right are

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playing. It doesn't hurt him at all,

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and it'll trick a certain amount of

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people into thinking that he's

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actually the real one who's

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interested in free speech.

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But of course, he's not, which is

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why it's farcical that he's here

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speaking at Alex's First Amendment

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Summit. He doesn't believe in the

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First Amendment at all.

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So Nick expounds on this

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point here that he has about free

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speech being in the interest of

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those in power, against

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the interest of those in power.

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And as you were waiting for it,

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here comes Alex to interrupt.

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All right.

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All these right wing people that

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say they're against censorship,

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they're in favor of free speech,

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that worked 10 years ago

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when they didn't have this

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institutional power.

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But now that they've got the money

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and they've got the think tanks and

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they've got the NGOs and

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all that institutional power on

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their side, free speech

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is no longer convenient for

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them. Now that they are in

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positions of power, they do not

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like the free speech that we are

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offering up as true conservatives.

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Words.

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And Nick, you're knocking

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it out of the park here.

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Once you continue.

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But I totally agree with you that I

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don't care what somebody says.

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They have a right to free speech

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and what the establishment

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really fears is

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power.

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They fear human action

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that has that electric spark.

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You've got that.

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And they're scared of you.

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And no matter what they do, they

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can't suppress you

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because I get on air

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and I talk about America and

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freedom and I

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can't believe this is allowed.

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And I see the Nazi

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Alex Jones because

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that's all the left's got

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is to say somebody

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trying to promote freedom as a Nazi

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when the Nazis are a bunch of

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losers.

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Seventy seven years ago, got

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their ass kicked.

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And so, you know,

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you're a Nazi.

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You're a Nazi.

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You're a Nazi.

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I'm like, no, I'm an American.

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I'm a capitalist.

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I'm an American lover and

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I'm not going to bow down to you.

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I wasn't wearing a hat.

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That's why we can talk about it

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all day.

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Nick Point is how they

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do this, but no one buys

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it anymore.

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You can almost hear a lamp shade

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on that.

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Yeah.

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And everybody's yelling at me

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about these pink elephants to

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keep going.

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Can we get is there catering

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your pink elephants?

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Oh, I got to get rid of this

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bottle.

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I don't know how to put this

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more bluntly than Alex has

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no idea what point Nick Fuentes

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is making.

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None.

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He's drunk.

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And at this point, he seems to

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think that he's doing his show

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as opposed to being at a summit

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of invited speakers.

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He's not paying attention and he

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just interrupts Nick to get his

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talking points in, which is

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embarrassing.

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Nick is expressing a very

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interesting dynamic, which

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is that free speech is not in

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the interest of those controlling

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power, particularly when their

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primary reason to pursue power is

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to gain more power or hold on to

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that which they have.

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It's one of the main reasons

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that the First Amendment

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is there and why we need this

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freedom to be considered

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sacrosanct in our culture,

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because if it wasn't and true

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free speech rules were up to the

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whims of random elected

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politicians and officials, they

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probably have been gone long

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ago.

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It's you know, it's important.

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The whole thing was in response

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to that fucking king being a

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dick.

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Yeah, I don't think Alex even

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understands the point that Nick

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is making.

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You can hear Nick say, here he

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comes in the background

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when Alex comes up on stage as

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a real tone of judgment to it.

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He's not excited that Alex is

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interrupting him.

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But you know what?

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Nick is the only speaker other

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than Mike Flynn Jr., who doesn't

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end up responding to Alex

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interrupting them with the

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archetypal cop out.

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It's impossible to follow Alex

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Jones.

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It's not impossible for Nick

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because to him, Alex is an

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embarrassing fool who's just

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useful at this point.

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It's very possible to follow

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him. Yeah, yeah.

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I have I have followed many

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embarrassing drunks in my day.

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It has not been that hard to

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follow, especially when you

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brought the crowd like it's

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very simple.

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He doesn't have to do that.

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Oh, look at Alex.

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Isn't this fun?

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He doesn't have to do that.

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So Nick wants to complain a

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little bit about CPAC, which is

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fair, I guess.

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Yeah, he's not welcome there.

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Sure, sure.

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So do you know what they're

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calling this year's CPAC

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conference?

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Suck pack.

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That's right.

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The theme this year, it's not

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a parody, not a joke.

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The theme for them this year is

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America versus socialism.

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And to me, that says it all.

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What they want us to do for

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the next 50 years

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is to relitigate the Cold War

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and fight this argument,

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America versus socialism.

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They want control of

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the dialectic of the

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conversation between the two

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poles, the right as defined

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by hamburgers, capitalism

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and on the other side,

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socialism.

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I guess I'll wrap it up here.

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I'm going to don't wrap it up.

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I played off.

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I just want to say this.

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I'm just lurking behind you

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right here.

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He's not a bad guy.

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Alex has come up on stage in

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the middle of that.

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This is this is like a Johnny

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Carson roast.

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This is this is like the

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fucking 60s.

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And Dean is fucking up there

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being like, hey, isn't it

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great that I say racist shit

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about the oh, never mind.

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You're my friend.

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But also at this point, I'm

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starting to suspect that Alex's

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interruptions might sometimes

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be strategic.

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If there's one thing he doesn't

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want a speaker condemning, it's

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the idea that you shouldn't

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spend all of your time

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regurgitating and relitigating

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the Cold War.

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This is not cool for Alex

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because his entire show is

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relitigating the Cold War.

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All of his expert friends are

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Cold War hangers on, like Joel

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Skousen and Steve Pechenik, who

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see commies hiding in every

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bush and inside every

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government office.

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Everything in Alex's world comes

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back to Cold War,

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anti-communist fanaticism.

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Think about it.

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A gigantic part of his

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coronavirus conspiracy has to

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do with his belief that the

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globalists are in bed with China

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because they want them to take

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down the West, which is why

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David Rockefeller installed Mao

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into power in 1949.

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Alex's beliefs are essentially

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indecipherable without the

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understanding that pretty much

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everything he's saying goes back

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to the ravings of some

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crypto-fascists from the Cold War

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era.

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Though not a direct attack on

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Alex, what Nick is saying is a

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bit of an indictment of Alex's

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primary worldview.

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Mocking the idea that CPAC

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would be socialism versus the

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United, the America, that

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yeah, pointing that out

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is not good for Alex.

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No, it's mocking

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what he does every day.

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Yeah, in his face, in

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his face. So I think this is the

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young cannibalizing the old a

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little bit. I think some of

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Alex's interruption is

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in the same way that he cut off

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Tommy Collins when she started

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selling.

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He cut off Ivan Reikland when he

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started selling.

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I think there's a decent chance

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that he's coming up and being

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like, oh, this guy's a good guy,

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a little bit to derail the

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the thought becoming

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too explicit that we shouldn't

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worry too much about this

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dichotomy that is a leftover

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from the Cold War.

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Right.

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It's a it might be a little

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bit more craft than than it

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appears.

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I'm not going to give him that

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much credit.

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I'm not either, but I think

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there's a kernel to it that

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might just be muscle memory.

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I don't I don't think you're

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wrong. I can definitely see

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that because

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even if you're wasted, you can

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run on instinct.

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I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There is a certain level of

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like once you've got any.

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Well, actually,

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you know what? I totally I am

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actually going to go complete

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180 and agree with you

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wholeheartedly, because now

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we're doing Alex's show.

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Now the show instincts have

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kicked in.

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And this is hey, we're

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not talking about that right

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now.

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Next, next line of

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conversation.

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Tell me about your history.

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Is this guy's a good guy.

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People say he's a bad guy.

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He's good guy.

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Yeah, he's a good guy.

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Love. This guy is good.

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Show instincts are kicking in.

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I believe you.

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And so this rambles into

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Alex saying that Nick Fuentes

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isn't a racist.

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OK, I always say so short.

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He just calls me.

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Thank you.

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So I'm like,

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oh, I'm in a polyonic complex.

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But seriously,

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Nick Fuentes says a lot of things

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that people agree with.

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He's popular.

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So the system wants to ban him

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like a race car driver

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that keeps winning races.

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That's all this.

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They do that to a black race car.

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He doesn't have black people

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or white people or gay people

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or anybody.

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He just wants to have his own say.

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And you know what?

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I'm a confident man.

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I say, hey, buddy,

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I say in the market ideas,

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you get to have a run at it.

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So that makes us all stronger.

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But they call him a white

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supremacist all over the news.

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And then the ADL

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and Southern Poverty Law Center

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fund white supremacist

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compounds with terrorists,

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with bombs.

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I studied it

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ready to blow up black communities

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and create war.

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But they can never find

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white people to join.

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That's the good news.

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This seems very self-serving

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at this point.

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Wow.

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Alex knows that Nick

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has the room's attention

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and he has a lot of fans in the crowd.

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So he wants to associate himself

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with Nick and try and see

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if he can get some of them

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to become his customers.

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Yup.

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Unfortunately, this depressing

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ass event has driven him to drink

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to the point of nearing coherence.

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And all he's doing

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is making a joke of himself

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in front of Nick's hip young audience.

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Also, to the point

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that Nick isn't a racist,

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I would beg to differ.

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Here's a clip of him

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from his interview with Milo

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expressing a viewpoint

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that I don't really know

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how a non-racist could have.

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I think the European race is real.

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I think the different races are real.

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I think they exist

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as scientific classifications,

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and they did up until very recently.

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And I, you know, I just wonder again,

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I don't know where the rub is

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where a lot of people say,

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and you've said,

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you don't agree with diversity

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and you believe race is real,

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but yet any kind of idea of

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benefit to diversity for itself,

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you know, for its own sake.

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But it seems there is

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a benefit to diversity.

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Well, I think that what I would say

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is that the culture mixing cultures

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deriving from different

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religions doesn't work.

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I don't think that I would say

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that mixing races doesn't work.

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Does it work?

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So Nick is expressing

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a belief in scientific racialism,

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which isn't a great start.

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And then he follows that up

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by signaling that he's not convinced

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different races can

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coexist with each other.

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Huh?

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I wonder if he expresses

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any other flagrantly racist things

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in this interview with Milo.

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Are you against interracial marriages?

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I am. Yeah.

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Wow. OK.

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I know. I know.

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That's a dad, half Mexican.

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He is.

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Your name is Fuentes.

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That's true.

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See, you are.

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Yeah, well.

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So Nick is opposed

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to interracial marriages,

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which is a pretty tough position

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to defend without getting

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pretty racist in the process.

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Are his parents still together?

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I have no idea.

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Fuck.

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Keep in mind that.

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Fucking kid, man.

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Keep in mind that the question

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is not personally,

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would you marry outside your race,

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which which if you said no

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would be an indication

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of personal bigotries that you hold.

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But you might not have a problem

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with other people marrying other races.

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The question, as asked by Milo,

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is about support or opposition

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to the act of marrying someone

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out of a different race.

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This is about whether or not

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people should do it.

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Nick doesn't believe

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that people should marry

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outside their racial group,

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which I can't really see

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any good arguments for

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that are insanely racist.

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Excuse me.

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OK, Nick, it's 2018.

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So obviously this is going to be

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a softball question.

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I'm just going to lob this up.

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A lot of people

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are calling you a racist.

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I'm just going to lob this one up here.

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Are you against interracial marriage?

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Because it's 2018.

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Nobody could possibly.

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Only a vehement racist

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could be against interracial marriage.

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I mean, you know,

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I'm going to throw this

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softball up to you.

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I'm going to put it on a goddamn tee.

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And you heard Milo's response

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to Nick's answer said, wow.

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Holy shit.

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Whoops.

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I was throwing you a goddamn softball.

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It's almost like he's like, huh?

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What people say about you is accurate.

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You didn't that's wild.

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You didn't swing at the ball.

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You hit the catcher in the face.

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We're going backwards, buddy.

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Yeah, it's not good.

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So here's how he defends his assertion

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that interracial marriage is no good.

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OK, let's hear this.

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If you allow me to elaborate

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a little bit on the point here,

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I think up until very recently,

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this is what the vast majority believed.

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And I think it was actually

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mainstream media programming

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and a very concerted agenda

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on the part of certain elements.

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And that's not it's not a dog whistle,

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but it's just true.

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In the media, you look at advertisements

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today, you look at major Hollywood pictures

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to push people in a certain direction.

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I don't disagree with you

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that they lay it on really thick.

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Every ad you see seems to be a white

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woman with a black eye, OK?

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And I see it myself, right?

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And I don't.

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Yeah, they lay it on very thick.

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But it's a jump from that to

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I don't think people should marry

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across racial lines.

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Well, how about Muhammad Ali?

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Muhammad Ali said the same thing.

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I want my grandchildren to look like me.

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And I don't think there's

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anything wrong about that.

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So Nick's defense for his opposition

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to interracial marriage comes down

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to two points.

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One, he feels like there are too many

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mixed race couples in advertising.

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And two, Muhammad Ali said

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he wanted his grandkids to look like him.

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So it's cool.

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Hey, he's so pretty, so pretty.

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I'll take these one at a time.

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As to the advertising point,

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in August 2019, researchers

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at the Qatar Computing Research Institute

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released a study where they investigated

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gender and racial diversity

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in approximately 86,000 ads

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that had been shared by, quote,

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73 top international brands

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on Instagram and Facebook.

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100% interracial relationships.

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One of their questions was about

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just representation, generally speaking,

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but another was, quote,

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which pairs of demographic groups

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are preferred in advertising images

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for cross-sex interaction context?

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As to the representation question,

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they found that white people appear in ads

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at a rate proportional

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to the most recent census data,

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but that black people are way less likely

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to appear in ads than you would expect

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based on demographic numbers

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and that the number looks even worse

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when you look specifically

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just at black women,

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the rate at which the researchers called,

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quote, strikingly low.

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Yeah.

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As to the question of cross-sex interaction

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between members of different races,

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what do you know?

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They found that there was a gigantic tendency

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towards white male, white female

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pairings and ads.

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But that raised a new question for them,

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which was, is this just the result

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of there being way more white people

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represented in ads?

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So they took into account

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the relative number of models

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of different races,

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and they found that, quote,

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the preference towards pairing

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of the same race in cross-sex interaction

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becomes apparent.

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This is a classic example

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of people like Nick

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completely fabricating perception.

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He's seen a few instances

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of interracial pairings in commercials,

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and each time,

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the right-wing media has lost its mind,

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yelling about forced miscegenation

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and some shit.

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So it feels like this is a consistent pattern.

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Now, every time there's a mixed-race couple

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in an ad, it's further proof

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that the globalists are trying

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to push race mixing on the whites.

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For every ad with a mixed-race pairing,

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I would dare say Nick would see 500 ads

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where the pairing are both white,

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but his mind doesn't register that.

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He ignores the overwhelming prevalence

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of white, white couples in ads

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because he's a racist,

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and it bothers him

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when he sees mixed couples in ads.

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In order to justify this anger

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without just admitting he's a racist,

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the easiest move is to pretend

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that every ad you see is black guys

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with white girls

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and how the man is trying to push it

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on the brave and noble whites.

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It's a cowardly cop-out

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that reveals the bigotry underneath

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when you actually look

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at the statistical analyses of these ads.

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I mean, let's just be even simpler with it.

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There hasn't been a black bachelor,

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a black man who is a bachelor.

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I didn't know that.

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Yeah, not once.

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I don't watch The Bachelor, to be fair.

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Now that I have a partner,

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apparently I have to watch

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The fucking Bachelor.

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You brought this up a few times.

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People are going to hear about it.

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People are going to fucking hear

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about The Bachelor.

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No, I mean, it's so obvious,

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especially because I was forced

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to watch The Bachelorette last season.

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And there was a black dude

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who fucking killed,

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who I wanted to be with,

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who of course didn't wind up with her

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because, surprise.

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And then this year's bachelor,

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who's usually chosen from that,

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should have been that fucking guy.

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But it's some dumb, boring pilot.

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That's it.

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Do you know what he does?

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He flies.

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That's all he's got.

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Should have been a black bachelor.

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You seem to have a lot of thoughts about this.

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I have one thought about all of The Bachelor

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and Bachelorette series.

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Would you like to start an offshoot podcast

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where you just get with me about The Bachelorette?

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No, I would not.

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Stop hitting the chair.

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, I mean, there are things like that.

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Like, that's a good example

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of things that are just unexamined,

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things that Nick would never bring into it

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because they're kind of counterfactuals

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to the point that he's making.

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Yeah, there's been 400 seasons of The Bachelor.

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Right.

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The right wing gets all up in a tizzy

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whenever there's like one of these commercials

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with, you know, a mixed race couple

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and they're like,

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well, what message are you sending?

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You're trying, you know.

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So you have that.

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And that instills in your mind

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if you're of this inclination.

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Right.

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Read racist.

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Yeah.

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That whenever you see one,

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it's an ad like that.

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It's more proof that this happens all the time.

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Right.

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But it never registers or sticks out in your mind

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all of the ads that you see

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that are not mixed race couples.

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And it just makes you mad.

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It just makes you mad.

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And you're a dumb racist idiot.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, if you see one ad

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and assume that because of this one ad

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with an interracial couple,

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the entire fucking establishment

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is pushing miscegenation upon you.

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Mm-hmm.

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Hey, why would it matter

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if you see 100 ads or 20 ads?

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You already have your narrative in one.

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Yeah.

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The first time.

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So every time.

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Yeah.

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You could see 100 ads

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that don't fit into the model,

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but once you have it in your mind

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that they always do this,

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two ads are proof that 100 don't matter.

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Yeah.

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As for the Muhammad Ali comment,

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there's a bit of a game of telephone

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going on with this quote.

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I've seen versions of it

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posted on explicitly white nationalist sites

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arguing that Ali said that races shouldn't be

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or they should be separate.

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And so why is it so bad

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that they advocate for the same thing?

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In these instances,

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the citation used is often a little muddy

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and hard to trace back to its source.

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Did Thomas Jefferson say this?

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Totally.

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But it appears that each of them

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are just slight embellishments

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on an interview that Ali did in 1971

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with Michael Parkinson of the BBC.

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Ironic.

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In the interview,

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Ali is discussing how everyone says

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they want integration,

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but after he won the gold medal at the Olympics,

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he still couldn't eat at segregated restaurants

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because he was black.

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He's pointing to the inherent hypocrisy of the times,

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where the rhetoric is often pro-integration,

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but the lived experience is much different.

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He talks about how marriage is a part of integration,

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and he tells the interviewer, quote,

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I'm sure no intelligent white person

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watching this show in his or her white mind

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want black men and women

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marrying their white sons and daughters

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and in return introducing their grandchildren

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to half-brown, kinky-haired black people.

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The interviewer points out

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that the phenomenon he's talking about

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is a social problem,

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and that educating people

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not to have these prejudices and bigotries

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will go a long way toward

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reducing the number of white people in 1971

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who wouldn't want their grandchildren

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to be of multiple races.

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Sure.

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To that, Ali responds, quote,

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but life is too short for me to be doing that.

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Educating people.

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I'd rather be reading to my own.

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I have a beautiful daughter, beautiful wife.

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They look like me.

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We are all happy and don't have no trouble.

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It would be dishonest for me to say

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that Muhammad Ali wasn't expressing in his view

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that the natural state in the world

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is races living separately.

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That is true.

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But his view is very influenced by the time

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and the circumstances of the early 70s

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in the United States.

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1971 is only a few years removed

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from the passage of the Civil Rights Act

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and the Voting Rights Act,

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as well as the assassinations of Martin Luther King,

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Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X.

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This context informs his position

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and where he was coming from.

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Also in this interview,

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Ali seems preoccupied with his fear of flying.

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And at one point he seems to imply

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that he can predict plane crashes.

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The interview asks him, quote,

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God, he would have stopped 9-11.

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The interviewer asks him, quote,

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can you predict other things?

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Since Ali had been explaining how he can predict

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how his fights are gonna end.

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I know this guy's going down in the seven.

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Ali says, quote,

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a lot of things that I feel are gonna happen.

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Like we might go half a year without a plane crash.

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I'm flying every day and I think

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it's time for a plane crash.

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I don't wish for nothing like that,

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but I feel like things are too quiet.

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And two or three days later, a plane crashed here.

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All right.

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So anyway, take this interview however you like.

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It's been used by white supremacists

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and white nationalists for years

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to justify their own desire for a white ethnostate.

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So it seems weird to imagine that Nick

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has some other reason to pull out that quote here.

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I think it's possibly oversimplified,

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but even if you imagine the worst possible interpretation

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for something that Ali said in an interview 49 years ago,

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I still don't think that's a good defense

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for Nick's position against interracial marriage.

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No, you don't understand.

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Someone else had a similar position is not strong stuff.

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No, you're not understanding.

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Because one person who gained fame

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and yet still did not overcome the institutionalized racism

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was expressing a worldview built around white people

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enslaving everybody he's ever known.

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Then after that fucking continuing a pattern of abuse

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for years on past the civil rights era,

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because he was expressing his opinion there,

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that totally makes it okay for a white person

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who did all of that shit to then co-opt his argument.

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That makes perfect sense, Dan.

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Well, even if you take that aside,

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like just the appeal to authority that's being done

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is not really an authority.

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It's just some, it's a celebrity who was a smart person

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and had some interesting ideas about a lot of stuff,

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but that doesn't mean that this is a great point.

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Yeah, he was the, look, there's Muhammad Ali

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and then there's Audre Lorde

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and those are the only two, Jesus Christ.

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So anyway, the point of this, where it all started

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is that Alex is wrong.

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Nick Fuentes has given people ample reason

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to suspect he's a racist and a white nationalist.

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Also, there are a few things like more satisfying for me

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than when Alex tries to bring out that stuff

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about like Elohim City and that the material,

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expecting it to blow people's minds and no one cares.

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You just hear the, when he's talking about

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like the SPLC runs, they're trying to get white people

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to have bobs and the whole audience is like,

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we want to hear Nick.

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Yeah.

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What are you doing?

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There are some, there's some serious, like a death,

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what, shit, now I can't remember it.

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What's the name of it?

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I don't know.

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Fuck, I always be closing.

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Oh.

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What's the name of the movie?

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Oh, Glengarry.

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Glengarry Glen Ross, that's what it is.

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This has such like, Alex is Jack Lemmon.

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Alex is the drunk and Nick Fuentes is the hot young kid.

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That's so much what's going on here.

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It's an interesting way to look at it.

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Yeah.

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So Alex gets off stage and Nick starts talking about

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the people who are sponsoring CPAC

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and how they believe in open borders.

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Sure.

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Of course they, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And of course, Alex needs to wander back up on stage.

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Of course.

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People that are putting up the money for their thing,

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putting up the money for their conference

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are benefiting from their open borders agenda.

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So in conclusion, is that, was that five?

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No, but it's true.

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It's not that we're against the third world populations.

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It's they're being weaponized against us.

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So he's gone like three times longer.

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So the interview's gonna say, I censored Nick Fuentes.

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I did not.

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I actually extended him.

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They're gonna kick us out of here in like 30 minutes.

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We got like five more speakers.

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We just got rid of the whole question and answer conference.

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But it's true.

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Surprise.

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It's not that anybody's bad.

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It's that the globalists are weaponizing them.

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And you're right.

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Ben Shapiro and all these people are pushed by the system.

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We're banned by the system.

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What does that tell you?

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It's like a tag team.

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We tag them in, okay, I'm back in.

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Oh no.

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But Nick can handle that.

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He got a laugh off of that?

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God damn it, he's got the chops.

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Yeah.

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That mother fucker.

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Yeah, one of these other ding dongs who's been up here

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just being like, haha, look at that.

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Look at this.

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Look at us doing this two man game.

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They'd be panicking in some way.

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But Nick is able to maneuver it and finesse things.

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God damn it, I hate these people.

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Yeah, yeah, it's pretty wild.

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So Nick's speech ends and Alex brings up the next speaker.

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He's giving an introduction to Gavin McGinnis, who's next.

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And he's supposed to be the headliner other than Alex.

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Right, right, Gavin's the feature act, gotcha.

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Because according to everything that was already

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in Alex's head, Gavin is the most important figure

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that was there before he booked Nick.

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And he probably thought like, you know what,

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Nick's more important than Millie,

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but he's not more important than the guy who started Vice

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and is the head of the Proud Boys.

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And now Nick is like Dave Chappelle dropping in

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for a five minute set that goes 45.

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And I think Alex realizes this

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as he's trying to introduce Gavin.

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Oh no.

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This is the last thing, thesis statement.

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We as conservatives who are in favor of America first,

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whatever our difference is, we will either hang together

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or we will most surely hang separately.

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That's the most important thing.

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Thank you.

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And now, and now we have Gavin McGinnis.

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Should be introduced to Dave, yeah.

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Great page for you.

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Major censor, anybody involved?

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Say his name, Alex.

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Give the credits first.

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I think that Alex is really shaken by the fact

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that Nick Fuentes, you can't tell

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from just listening to this,

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but he got a standing ovation from the crowd

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after his speech while he was trying to bring up Gavin.

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Like Alex is trying to introduce Gavin McGinnis

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and the crowd is giving a standing ovation for Nick.

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Alex, you're so stupid.

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Yeah, this is not good for Alex

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because this flips the dynamic he was hoping for.

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Alex co-opts other people's shit

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because in the fringe weirdo conspiracy

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and crypto fascist right wing,

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he's always been the biggest game in town.

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Other people may have some cottage industry things going,

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but traditionally Alex has been able to associate with them

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and then use them to his advantage.

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But this is the exact opposite.

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Nick Fuentes does not need Alex.

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And I think Alex realized it in that moment.

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Any benefit from this is going directly to Nick.

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Any person who Alex is exposing to Nick

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stands to possibly become a fan of Nick's.

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It's not going to go the other way around.

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It's not like Nick's fans are gonna convert to info warriors.

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That's not gonna happen,

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particularly not after this shit show.

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I strongly suspect that Alex realized

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that he's in a situation where the only outcomes

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available to him are losing prospects.

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He could fully accept Nick

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and watch as his audience gets drawn away from him

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towards the shiny, nice, respectable, clean cut,

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articulate, magnanimous young man

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who can handle himself way, way better than Alex.

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Or conversely, he could try to distance himself

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from Nick now and run the risk of becoming his next target,

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the next example of an organization like Turning Point

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that isn't really America first, but pretends to be.

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That Q&A session at the end is a huge danger.

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The way that Nick and the Grapers

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have done the damage they have to Turning Point

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is by showing up in the audience of their Q&A sessions

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and asking them incredibly loaded questions about Israel

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and about restricting even legal immigration

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into the country.

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It's a stunt strategy that's meant to make Turning Point

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look unable to answer these questions

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and to expose them as the non-conservative shields

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Nick says they are.

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The cuck-servatives.

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It's honestly a really good media strategy

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and it's helped by the fact, like I mentioned earlier,

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the mainstream media and most leftists

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hate Turning Point too, so they're not gonna come

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to their defense when they're being attacked

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by a group of crypto-fascist Catholic monarchists.

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Alex cannot be on the receiving end

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of that kind of treatment and survive.

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He's too drunk at this point

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to navigate that Q&A session safely.

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No chance.

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There's no position on Israel that sounds principled.

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He just says, I'm not against him,

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but I'm bouncing out for him.

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Sometimes Israel's good.

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That's going to fail the Groiper purity test.

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Oh, this is bad Israel.

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And I think that Alex realizes that

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when he sees all the young Fuentes fans in the crowd

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give him a standing ovation.

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This event has been co-opted.

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Alex is in serious trouble.

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Thankfully, Gavin is up next and he's a super funny guy.

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Gavin opens with a bit of business

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where he pretends to trip on his way up to the stage

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and he drops all of his notes.

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He does not do that.

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He does.

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Oh, God.

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The right's getting too good.

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His notes are in a disheveled mess

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when he gets up to pick them up.

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So he starts nervously reading the last page

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as if it's the opening page.

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It's fucking Andy Kaufman level shit, man.

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Jesus Christ.

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He's creative.

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I hate these people so much.

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This alone is innovative solo sketch work.

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That's chance to change the game at Info Wars.

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It's very good.

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But Gavin, he wasn't done with just a pratfall

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and a misdirect.

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I don't know if I can do this.

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When my notes got muddled up,

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I ended up with the last page.

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Is that Neil Hamburger?

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I'm really sorry about this.

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What are you doing up there, Neil?

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So nervous.

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I'm like shaking.

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Cause the stairs.

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Oh, that's fantastic.

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Thank you so much, man.

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Oh, that one's mine.

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Isn't it fucked up how they give away their play

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on a regular basis?

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Just so you understand what just went on,

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Gavin had an intern come up to him from the crowd

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and bring him a beer and then some lines of Coke,

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presumably fake Coke, which he proceeds to snort on stage.

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The goal of the bit is to have him pretend

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to be all nervous,

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but then like Popeye getting a can of spinach,

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he transforms into this strong, confident self,

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like his real self after getting his booze and cocaine.

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You see, it's comedy.

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He's Steve Austin.

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This is like Christian Shawl and Kurt Brown others

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would come out and be like,

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Christian Shawl is a horse.

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Christian Shawl is a horse.

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Steve Austin, Stone Cold didn't need the beers

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to become Stone Cold.

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No, you're right.

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You drank the beers after he kicked your ass.

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It was important to do it afterwards.

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I apologize.

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See, but the problem with the bit as Gavin is doing it

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is how it ends up working in practice

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is that Gavin doesn't really sell

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the post-cocaine boost of energy

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that you heard at the end there.

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It's underwhelming,

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which is why there's a tepid response from the crowd.

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And that undercuts the ability of this

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to work as a joke structure.

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You gotta go big.

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That's kind of a problem

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because you're pretending to do cocaine to open your set

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and it kinda means that you need to be high the whole time

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or else you're basically signaling to the audience

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that your bit was bad and you've bailed on it.

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Yep.

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Also nothing more conservative

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than a grumpy former gang leader

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who's slowly drifting deeper

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into his openly sad drinking in public phase

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pretending to do cocaine as an emotional crutch at your show.

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I kinda like it.

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Good solid messaging.

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As a completely contextless bit of skullduggery for it.

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No, totally.

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Look, if someone just told me,

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hey, Gavin showed up at one of Alex's events

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and pretended to do cocaine on stage,

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I'd be like, am I right?

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Yeah, okay.

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All right.

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Okay, good for him.

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He's not taking it seriously.

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But when I'm looking at it more holistically

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and I'm looking at it from the perspective of like,

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you're trying to put on a show.

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Yeah.

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Don't do that.

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The bit's gotta work.

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First of all.

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The bit's gotta work.

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First of all, there's that.

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Yeah, the bit's gotta work.

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You gotta commit to it.

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You gotta commit to it.

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That's a huge problem.

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That's number one on conceptual bits.

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But then second, the way that this is so incoherent

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and incongruous to the rest of the vibe

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that's been going on is jarring.

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Oh yeah.

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It's a real problem.

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So anyway, Gavin-

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So Gavin was trying to be funny?

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Like he started out trying to be a comic too?

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Oh yeah.

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Man.

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So he-

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I wish my failure comic career

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had turned into a right wing grift.

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It'd be so much easier.

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We all should have made that move.

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I know.

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But Gavin gives up on the whole like,

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cocaine's making me speedy thing.

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Cause you know, you got no response from the audience

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and you can't really commit that.

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So he just gets into talking about some dumb shit.

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This has nothing to do with Trump.

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This has to do with you winning,

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you fucking Bolshevik cunt.

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Whoa.

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Or one of the most telling ones I ever saw,

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they were talking about drag queen story hour

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in some small town.

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And the teacher said,

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the teacher who organized this thing said,

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let's be honest,

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parents often don't know what's best for their kids.

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The community should decide what's best for their kids.

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And I went, ooh, I caught you looking.

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I see what you're really about there.

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So Gavin is talking about examples of like,

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the Dems showing their cards.

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And from everything I can tell,

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I don't know what kind of apocryphal story

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he's talking about here,

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but I think I tracked it down what the base of this is.

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And I think he's misrepresenting this.

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From what I can tell,

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this is about a state representative in Missouri

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proposing the creation of a parental library review board,

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which would be comprised of five adult community members.

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The goal of the board would be to,

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quote, determine whether any sexual material

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provided to the public by the public library

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is age appropriate.

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According to most people who've spoken about this bill

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from the director of the American Library Association's

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Office for Intellectual Freedom

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to various drag queen story hour participants,

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this is actually an attempt to curtail free speech

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in public libraries and impose potentially harsh fines

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and even jail time on librarians

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whose libraries host events

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that five community members decide is inappropriate,

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but is actually constitutionally protected.

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Yeah, liberals want the community to decide

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and all conservatives want is for five people to decide.

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Well, but this is the most recent,

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most relevant example of the community deciding argument.

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And it's very clearly an attempt to push back

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on the drag queen story hour.

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If there's one thing I know about history

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is that it treats people who burn books kindly.

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Sure.

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So here, this is the veneer of being something

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where the community takes over

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and decides what's good for your kid,

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but in practice it's yet another attempt

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to do away with drag queen story hour

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through the process of community review boards.

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Gavin should be in favor of this

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since it works towards his goal,

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but he's too much of a reactionary snowflake

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so he hears the words community review

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and it sets him off down a pre-scripted,

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feigned outrage path.

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There's a bit of this in this speech, it's not great.

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It's just like when Alex was bitching

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about Bill Barr's line of,

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and you're like, no, no, no, no,

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that's what you're supposed to want.

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That's why he hasn't.

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You're just too stupid to even know what you want.

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And that's why he hasn't continued down that.

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Exactly.

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He's kinda like that fall.

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He's like, oh, okay, nevermind, good point, my bad.

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This is the propaganda angle, I'm just dumb.

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Yeah, so there's a good bit of this in Gavin's speech,

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but more than that, there are failed jokes.

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Oh, I believe it.

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In the speech, the agenda is clearly,

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I wanna control the story.

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And when you see people being persecuted,

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in this day and age, it tends to be,

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and this might be the coke talking,

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because they're charming and funny and gorgeous, like me.

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Woof, that is a bit of silence there at the end.

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Man, he's supposed to be a former comic.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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No.

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That's not good.

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No.

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So he started the Proud Boys, the gang,

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the Proud Boys, which you love.

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I know you love the Proud Boys.

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Anyway, the man.

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I'm just gonna be silent.

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Much like the audience is for him.

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The man hates the Proud Boys and they're mad at.

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Because they're a violent gang.

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No.

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No, no, no, we hate all violent gangs, right?

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No, no, no, they're a violent gang.

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Nope.

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We're against violent gangs?

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No.

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No, no, no, they were against non-violent gangs,

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like the fucking people who love the Insane Clown Posse.

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We're just against gangs.

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I like the Insane Clown Posse.

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You make an interesting point, and that's not why though.

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It turns out they were worried that the Proud Boys

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were gonna make supporting Trump look cool.

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We started this club, the Proud Boys,

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as a fun, silly men's club, still is.

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And I think the left saw that as making Trump cool,

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making conservatism cool,

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but more importantly, eschewing shame.

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I can't imagine the level of self-delusion

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that's required to think that the Proud Boys

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made supporting Trump look cool.

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It's a group of dudes who wear matching shirts

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whose group is named after a song in the Aladdin musical

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who spent their time whining about

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how no one respects the West anymore.

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Right.

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It's a very sad group.

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And about that eschewing shame thing.

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That's bad.

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How do we square that with the basic requirement

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for Proud Boy membership being

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they have to stop masturbating?

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I can't think of anything that more screams

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of deep shame complexes than a weirdo failed comedian

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telling a street gang of disaffected young men

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that they have to stop jerking off to join him.

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No, onanism is wrong!

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I know that when Gavin says not feeling shame,

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what he means is that privileged groups in society

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should feel, like...

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We should be able to throw the C word around

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with no trouble.

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They should be free to feel like they deserve

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the social benefits that have come from generations

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of denying minorities access to the economy

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or any semblance of social power.

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His point is that white people shouldn't have to feel bad

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about the racist history of our country,

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but I think the shame he really should be focusing on

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is him telling young dudes that if they want to be

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in his group, they can't beat off.

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Psychologically, that's a way more interesting thing

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than his run-of-the-mill white identity leanings.

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I cannot think of any famous psychiatrist

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to say that there's a lot of deep shit

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going on behind people saying don't masturbate.

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I can't think of any really, really famous psychiatrist.

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It's weird.

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So Gavin's complaining about how, like,

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hey, we should be focusing on Muslims

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because they're all terrorists and they hate gays

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and that's what they say that we do and blah, blah, blah.

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But the left and the globalists and the man,

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they just want to demonize a redneck.

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That's what they want to do.

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And then this falls apart.

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They want a redneck.

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They live in some bizarre fantasy world,

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some shitty movie on Showtime.

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Oblivion?

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Can you assholes stop chatting your fucking head off, please?

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There we go.

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Hey, shit-for-brains, talking to Nick.

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Hey, you fucking limey shit-for-brains.

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If you want to chat, go outside.

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What are you doing here?

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Sounds like a swarm of bees nattering over there.

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Well, that's a failed comedian.

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I agree.

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Shut the fuck up.

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There we go.

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I'm listening to this is gold.

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You guys, shut up.

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This set is a mess.

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Gavin obviously wants to be funny,

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but he's also a super, super angry dude,

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which is a combination that very few people can pull off.

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There's Nick DiPaolo and...

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Does he pull that off?

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No.

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He did for 20 years in the late 80s and 90s.

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Gavin spends his time on stage rambling his way

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through a convoluted story about how his Proud Boys

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are actually the victims of all the street fights

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they've gotten into.

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How the courts are full of SJW judges,

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and how he hopes Antifa people get raped in prison.

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Oh, the snowflakes are mean to me,

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and I hope they get raped because I'm not a snowflake.

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It's horrible, and it's very difficult

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to follow as a speech.

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It's punctuated by increasingly sad attempts at punchlines.

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More so than anyone else who's come on stage so far,

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Gavin really does think he's funny.

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He's a failed stand-up comic,

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so I think he thinks he's got some of those skills still,

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but man, he doesn't.

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I'm not going to play too many clips of his speech

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for a couple reasons.

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The first is that it's almost incomprehensible,

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and the stuff that he's saying about his gang members

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are things that I couldn't possibly confirm or deny

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if I wanted to.

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Things like jailhouse conversations a Proud Boy allegedly had

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with an Antifa member who said that they have a group

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of high-priced lawyers on retainer.

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I don't believe that,

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but also there's nothing I can do with it.

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The other reason that Gavin,

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the other reason I don't want to talk about this

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all that much more is that Gavin is trying to be funny,

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and his style of comedy is basically just saying

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offensive things and then basking in the orgasmic glow

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of having been edgy enough to say this bad word.

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It's very lame and sad,

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like he thinks he's Lenny Bruce because he said the T word

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in a room full of the most transphobic people

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you could ever gather together.

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It's really the definition of someone doing an impression

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of what they think edgy looks like

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while doing the safest thing imaginable,

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which in many ways is an apt description

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of this entire summit.

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Stand-up comedy?

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Wow, and this summit as a whole.

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I would say 60% of every open mic attendant

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I've ever seen.

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It's a complete mess,

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but you heard Alex interrupt there,

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so you'd expect that Gavin finishes his speech

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and then Alex is up.

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No way, two-man game now.

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Well, no, actually Gavin finishes

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and then Rob Doo comes on stage.

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Jesus.

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Give it up for Gavin Mc-

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Alex is too drunk.

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Oh no.

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Yeah!

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Oh no, I'm so excited.

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Yeah!

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This is gonna be good shit.

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Yeah, I know.

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The only thing I don't like about Gavin McInnes

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is that he drinks Budweiser.

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Ha ha ha ha ha.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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I should point out by this point,

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Rob is wasted.

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Yeah.

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He's very clearly drunk.

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Good for him.

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All right, well,

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the reason I'm up here is because

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Alex Jones has gone to bed.

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I knew it!

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You guys have at least heard-

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I fucking know it!

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I shit something up.

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You at least heard a shit ton of Alex Jones

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throughout the night.

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Please keep in mind that Alex introduced Gavin

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before his speech and interrupted in the middle of it.

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It's been like five minutes since the audience

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had seen Alex on stage.

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So at some point between that and now Alex has gone to bed.

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I can only think of three possibilities for what happened

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and I'm gonna rank them out from least likely

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to most likely.

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Okay, so the first one you're gonna say is the least likely.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Least likely.

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Alex legit passed out drunk.

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Yes.

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He was definitely wasted and I don't think it's impossible

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but I see this as highly unlikely.

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I've seen many episodes where Alex is three sheets

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to the wind and it's bedtime but he keeps going.

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Alex gets drunk but he has a lot of staying power.

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He's the guy who won't leave your party at 4 a.m.

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when everyone else has already gone home

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but he has a theory about gremlins being predictive

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programming that you have to listen to

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and he's that guy.

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Listen, I respect your stamina and I do want to hear

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what you have to say months from now.

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Please leave my home.

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He doesn't go down.

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Please leave my home.

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Medium likely.

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Some wanted in fours, probably Owen,

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since Rob Dew is completely fucked up too,

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told Alex that he needed to call it a night.

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He was at a point where something he said or did

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could cause real damage and the fact that Mike Flynn Jr.

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had shown up plus Nick Fuentes that may have given

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the streams a bit more attention

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than they would have gotten otherwise.

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I see this as kind of possible that someone

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would have stopped Alex from hurting himself

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by giving his headlining speech

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because it would have been a disaster

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but I also don't think that it's a sure thing

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because Alex, particularly drunk Alex,

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doesn't listen to other people.

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He's very stubborn and I feel like he's the kind of guy

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who would fight a bartender who tried to cut him off.

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Alex, listen, look, I think your speech is great

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but you spent the first 15 minutes of it

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arguing why the hard R is the only problem

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with you saying the N word.

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I mean, I'm not saying it was a bad set.

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No, look, I know, I know, I know,

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and this is the audience for it, I agree,

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but we're just gonna, just go to bed.

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So, most likely, Alex knew that he couldn't give a speech

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wasted in front of Nick Fuentes' fans.

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The only possible outcome is trouble.

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They're super conservative and their ideas

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are largely based on a lot of the same

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anti-left conspiracy bullshit that's grown

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out of the remnants of the Cold War shit

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but they also aren't into the same

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cartoonish idiocy that Alex is.

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Nick Fuentes is involved in something

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that aspires to be a political movement,

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not just an entertainment empire

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where he can lie about headlines to sell dumb pills.

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And his followers have a bit of the same seriousness

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to them, which is something Alex cannot engage with.

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He can engage with just about any form of opposition

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from the left because he can just yell over them,

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he can call them Satanists and, if all else fails,

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yell something about how Epstein didn't kill himself.

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He cannot risk being attacked from the fringe right

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because if he does, his whole act falls apart.

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If these groipers start asking him for his positions

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on issues they care most about, namely Israel

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and shutting down all immigration,

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Alex is gonna look like not a real conservative.

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And guess what?

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When that happens, none of his tricks work.

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He can't paint them as Satanists

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because they're America First conservatives.

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He can't say they're secret globalists

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because Nick's been banned from YouTube

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and is a target of the media, in theory.

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He can't yell at them because that just makes

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him look weak in contrast to the smiling,

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poised Nick Fuentes.

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He can't throw his Epstein didn't kill himself smoke bomb

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because they'll just be like, totally agree,

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so why shouldn't we attack Israel?

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Nick Fuentes and the groipers are perhaps

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the biggest threat to Alex's credibility right now,

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and I think rather than mixing it up with them

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in a live stream, he decided to go to bed.

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It's the right decision because Alex

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doesn't need to be there.

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He's made an ass out of himself trying to make

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the show entertaining and that was a failure,

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but they don't need him dragging it out at the end

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with a dumb speech about his victimhood

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and crying about the military junta

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he seems to want to install.

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He has Owen Schroyer there, seemingly sober,

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who the groipers like, so he's not gonna get

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the same kind of scrutiny that Alex might.

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He has Rob Do, completely drunk, to keep an eye on things.

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He was right to go to bed, even if they said

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like 20 times he was gonna be the headline speaker

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and then he just disappeared.

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Kind of fucked up, but I think it's the right decision

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because strategically, he only loses.

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Oh, no, no, no, he absolutely should go to bed.

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He becomes the new Charlie Kirk if he missteps.

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100%, no, going to bed, regardless of whether or not

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Nick Fuentes is there at all, going to bed is a good idea.

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Well, certainly, but it becomes a dangerous idea

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to stay with Nick and his fans there.

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You can only end up alienating a block

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that you want to cultivate.

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Five years ago, this rally is one, filled to the brim

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and two, Alex can get shitfaced and ramble nonsense

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to close out for 20 minutes and everybody's just gonna

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hoot and holler and have a great time.

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Maybe.

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Can't pull that off.

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Certainly not.

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Not with Nick Fuentes and the fucking horsemen

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of the apocalypse behind him.

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So now that Alex is gone, that takes away a block of time.

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Yeah.

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So what are they gonna do?

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Q and A with the collars.

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You bet.

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Hell yeah.

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So Rob Dew is now introducing the Q and A

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and he brings people up on stage.

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Nick Fuentes, get up here.

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I have a gift for Nick Fuentes.

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I know he's gonna love this,

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but I got to videotape this.

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Change his name to Dick Fuentes.

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All right, here we go.

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All right, Nick, I'm gonna present you this pin.

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I want you to tell everybody what it says.

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This is your gift.

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Zionism is a badge of honor.

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Opposite.

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All right.

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You like that?

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Yeah, I'll put it out.

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He's gonna wear it.

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It's a badge of honor.

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It's a badge of honor.

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This endears Rob to the aggressively anti-Zionist

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contingent in the crowd.

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So he's fine.

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And Rob isn't going to factor into the Q and A so much.

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So it's kind of a safe position to be in.

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We've already figured out Dew's news,

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so we don't need to worry about it.

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The Q and A doesn't really kick off immediately

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because there's a lot of disorganization,

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as you might expect.

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And so there's people coming up on stage

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and like leaning into the mic.

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And so Lee Stranahan, who's still there.

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Of course he is.

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He decides to-

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He's got nowhere else to be.

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He decides to say a little something into the mic.

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And then Owen Schroyer, he missed on a joke earlier,

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so he tries it again.

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No!

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Can I, I'm just gonna say this.

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Does Owen look fabulous or not?

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Look at the pocket square.

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Look, it matches the thigh.

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And that's Owen.

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You look fantastic.

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There you go.

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Like I said, just don't tell Roger Stone

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I forgot my belt at home today.

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He'll take me off the best dress list.

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Do we have the mics working?

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Are we good?

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So he tries that joke again.

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It doesn't work again.

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Great.

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But now Owen, in his comparatively

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very level-headed authority position,

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now he takes over.

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He is running the Q&A.

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Okay.

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And so it's much more competent hands,

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but it's exactly what you'd expect.

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Most of the audience is Nick Fuentes' fans,

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and so therefore they are the ones

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who are asking the questions.

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All right, go ahead.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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So I have a question for Mr. Fuentes.

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So as he knows, I asked a question to Conservative Inc

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a few months ago and never got an adequate response.

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So I would like to give Mr. Fuentes,

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the leader of the America First movement,

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an opportunity to answer my question adequately.

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What is the America First position

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on giving Israel $3.8 billion in aid every year?

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And how is that in America's interest?

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Well, yeah, that's kind of a softball question,

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but I appreciate it.

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Kay Alexander, epic, by the way,

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the man who arguably started it all in Colorado.

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Arguably the first dropper with that question.

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So the person asking the question

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is a plant of Nick's group.

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Alex couldn't have handled that.

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No.

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Alex being asked what is the America First position

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on aid to Israel, he would waffle around.

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And we're against the Islam,

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but also we're against the bad elements of Judaism,

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but also I think Israel's a good base

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and we should have be in Jerusalem.

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And he wouldn't come off any better

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than people like Charlie Kirk do.

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To the eyes of these America First Fuentes fans.

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So immediately from the first question,

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you see like, oh, this would have been

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a fucking disaster for Alex.

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Good call, Alex.

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Right.

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Finally, he's taken my advice

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and go to bed. Go to bed, yeah.

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So like I said, it's disorganized as hell

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trying to do this Q&A.

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Yeah, of course.

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And so, you know, people can just bum rush the stage.

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I'm gonna jump in real quick.

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Hey, hey, I'm Jerome Bell

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and I'm running for Congress at a second district.

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Virginia, second district of Virginia.

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Are there only a couple things we need to do?

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First of all, we need to get Donald Trump elected again

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and the United States need to take over Virginia.

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I'm taking over Virginia from a Democrat,

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from a Democrat, Elaine Luria, okay?

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She's, well, I won't say, I just said POS.

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I'll be nice tonight, okay?

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I'll be nice.

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Hey, and to answer your question about foreign aid,

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zero foreign aid, zero foreign aid from America, okay?

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God damn, what is up with this rally

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and the doomed congressional candidates?

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Man, they are everywhere.

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This fellow is Jerome Bell,

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who's running for the House in Virginia's second district.

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To be more clear, he's one of four Republicans

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who will be competing in the GOP primary in June.

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If I had to put a bet on it,

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I don't think Bell's winning that thing.

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You don't think so?

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One of his opponents, Scott Taylor,

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is a former member of the House

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and a former Virginia delegate.

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Those things look pretty good on a resume and a GOP primary,

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but we'll see how things go.

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I should be clear, though.

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This election is not happening until 2021.

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This dude is bum-rushing this Q&A session.

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He's getting a real head start.

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A year out.

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Yeah, Peter D'Abresca should take notes.

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Good for him, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He's gonna make that 90-day limit really easily,

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really easily.

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So Jerome Bell answered the candidate's questionnaire

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for Ballotpedia about some of his positions,

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and these answers, some of them seem a little bit weird.

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Oh, yeah?

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He was asked what his, quote, very first job was,

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and his answer was, quote,

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working for the ident division for the FBI.

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How is that possible that was his first ever job?

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That seems strange.

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Wait, is he an intern?

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I don't know.

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Did he have an internship program?

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I don't know.

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Anyway, Bell is a hardline anti-immigrant candidate.

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He's received some support

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from the white nationalist circles,

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including Faith Goldie.

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He's running on a platform of shutting down

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all immigration to the United States,

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which is a very dumb idea.

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Apparently, based on this drop-in speech,

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he's also in favor of stopping all US foreign aid,

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which is tantamount to calling for the deaths

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of millions of people around the world.

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This Ron Paul-ass endorsement of passive slaughter

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under the guise of why should we pay for it

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is the stuff of monsters hiding behind

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poorly constructed fiscal arguments.

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I would bet everything I own

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that he's going to lose that primary.

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Now, if you're keeping score,

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that's about zero for six on the congressional hopefuls

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that Alex has had on this absurd rally.

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They're not doing good.

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No. No.

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So we get back to the Q&A, and what do you know?

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It's another Nick Fuentes fan asking a softball question

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to Nick.

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Does it help us win the culture war?

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That's the question.

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I should be clear.

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He's asking about does supporting homosexuality,

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does embracing and accepting just people being gay

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help the right?

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Hey, it's 2020.

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I'm going to lob you a softball question real easy.

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Let's just throw this one up there.

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Does it help us win the culture war?

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That's the question.

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Yes or no?

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It doesn't.

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It does not.

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It's disgusting.

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Oh, shit.

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Why are you murdering the catcher?

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Why?

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What did you do?

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And it doesn't belong here, you know.

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I like see Pete Buttigieg.

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I was watching something the other day

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with Pete Buttigieg's husband, Chasten.

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No.

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Stop.

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Look, I don't want to get graphic or anything,

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but it's just gross.

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We just don't need that.

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It's not Christian.

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It's not natural.

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It's not conservative.

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It has no place.

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So I'm willing to say that.

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Charlie Kirk isn't.

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Yeah.

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You know who else isn't?

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Alex.

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This is a perfect example of a curveball question

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that Alex cannot afford to have to answer.

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He spent a lot of his time cultivating

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a character that blurs the lines of outright homophobia

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and an insistence that he's a libertarian.

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I don't care who you go to bed with.

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You go to bed with a man, you go to bed with a woman,

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you go to bed with two at the same time,

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doesn't matter to me.

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One of Nick's followers directly asking

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if accepting homosexuality does any good

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in terms of winning the culture war,

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that poses a real challenge to someone like Alex.

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It's clear from the raucous response

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when Nick says that homosexuality is gross

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that that was the correct answer according to the Groipers.

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So if Alex had a noncommittal political answer

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that maintains his wishy-washy stance on the issue,

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they would not find that acceptable.

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If he said that accepting homosexuality was good,

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he'd clearly be walking into a trap

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where he would then have to defend how

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that is a conservative position.

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If he answered that homosexuality was bad,

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and as Nick said, it has no place,

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he runs the risk of further alienating himself

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from the base that he has

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that desperately needs to cling to the idea

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that Alex is not a bigot himself.

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No answer to that question serves Alex's interests,

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so he cannot be there.

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He cannot be involved in this.

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That's a smart move.

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In Alex's absence, this Q&A session

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could turn into Nick's followers

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asking him softball questions

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that they already know the answers to,

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and when he gives the desired answer, they all cheer.

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In effect, this event has been fully taken over.

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This isn't a Q&A session for anyone except Nick,

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who's giving all the As to Qs being posed by his followers.

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He has fully co-opted this event.

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Yep.

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It's remarkable, honestly.

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Yeah, I mean, but

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what's interesting to me is that it is essentially

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calling out the people who have been exploiting

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latent, if not explicit, bigotry and homophobia.

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Fair enough.

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For lying about supporting a bigot.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no, no.

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No, I'm totally bigoted.

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I, no, I hate, well, I don't hate gay people.

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You can't hate gay people.

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No, I mean, no, I've been telling you

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that I hate gay people, but you can't.

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They're just, all they're doing is just being people.

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Oh, shit, no.

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I've cultivated a audience of monsters, haven't I?

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Yeah, I guess I went to bed.

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Yeah, and introducing Nick Fuentes

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to the InfoWars audience, like,

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I don't know what Alex's audience even really is anymore,

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how big they are or what.

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The only possible thing that can happen

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is Nick convincing them that Alex is too milquetoast

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and he doesn't actually have the principles

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that he pretends to have.

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Absolutely.

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It's fucked up, and if it continues,

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like, if it keeps going,

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which I think would be a huge mistake on Alex's part,

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but I don't think he, I think he's in a position

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where he can't not still support Nick

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because the implicit threat of his fans turning on him.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Alex has accidentally backed himself

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into, like, a really dangerous position

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for his own position and stake in the conservative world.

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Like, it's, he's fucked.

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It is really reminiscent of, like,

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I mean, again, it's so reminiscent of Reagan

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where it's all of these people

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are suddenly creating this insurgents

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based around a political class

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that has been exploiting their homophobia

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without making it explicit.

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Always, always constantly just like,

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hey, you know those people with the HIV.

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Do you have it?

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You know those people, like, that kind of thing

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without ever explicitly saying it,

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and now they're forcing people

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to actually come down on it,

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and they're like, guys, we can't actually hate these people.

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Which then gives firepower to the other side

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that's like you weren't really committed to the principles.

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When you say rhino, what you mean is

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you're not actually a bigot.

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That's what we really wanted out of you.

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You were lying to us about being a bigot.

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You liar!

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Yep, and I honestly think that what Nick Fuentes is doing

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will probably not have staying power.

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I think it'll probably be, like, in the same way

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that, like, in 2011, 2012, looking at the Tea Party,

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you'd think, like, this is gonna be here forever.

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You know, because you're in the middle of it.

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I don't think that what Nick is doing

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is going to be the next ascendant part of the right

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or anything like that, but it does have a lot of potential

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to disrupt a lot of things,

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and it also has the potential to strengthen

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and reinforce a lot of the worst parts,

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which could have an effect,

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but that doesn't, I don't know.

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I'm not bought into the idea that he is the next rising star

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that's gonna be here, the next William F. Buckley type,

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although you'd probably be mad if I said that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He didn't hate gay people enough!

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Right, so I mean, I don't think that that's the case,

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but I think that because we're in the present day

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and because, you know, we're people who follow Alex,

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I have to recognize that this is

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an existential threat to Alex,

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and that's why you don't work with people like this.

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This is why you have some kind of a standard of like,

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no, getting involved here is only gonna be trouble.

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You should not engage, because when you engage,

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you open up the possibility for them to completely fuck you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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They're running a different grift.

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It's so funny because it is that, like,

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they're so hard right, they're doing exactly the same thing

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the ALD, the Anti-Defamation League is doing,

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where it's like, Alex for so long is like,

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no, no, no, no, I'm not racist.

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They're unfairly painting me as racist.

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And then the guys on the right are like,

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oh, you're not racist?

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Then you're full of shit.

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It's basically time to pay the fiddler.

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You're like, yeah, they're just shining a light

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on whether or not you're actually racist.

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Like, put up or shut up.

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It's almost inevitable.

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Yeah, put up or shut up.

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Are you a racist or not?

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And Alex, like, because of whatever desperation he has

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or whatever, has brought it upon himself.

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And I think it's interesting.

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I really think that the psychodrama

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that I was describing at the beginning of this episode

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about this speech has a lot to do with the fact

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that it's depressing as hell at the beginning

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because there's no one there and these people are fucking

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ding-dongs and losers.

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And then as it goes along, Nick Flint, as his fans,

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show up and really change the character of what's going on.

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Now, at the same time, because it was so depressing

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at the beginning, Alex is fucking wasted

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and he's in no position to deal with any of this stuff.

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I don't even know if he could sober,

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but drunk, absolutely not.

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And so like the tip of the spear,

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like the king of the Americana movement, he goes to bed.

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It's great, it's great.

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It's just such perfect.

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It's exactly the payoff you would expect.

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Yeah.

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It reminds me, like, I've run shows before

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where it wound up being that the feature act

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brought like 15 people.

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Sure.

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And the people who showed up not for the feature act

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were like four.

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And then everybody leaves because the feature act,

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oh, no, no, I gotta go do a different show.

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All 15 people leave.

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The headliner is no one there.

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The headliner's just sitting there going like,

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ugh, I wish I was like Alex Jones right now

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and I could just go to bed.

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Well, also that's what you saw with Gavin

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when he yelled at everybody.

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Like it's that they're not here for me,

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but I have to follow the guy they are here for.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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And they're not leaving because there's an open bar.

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So, I mean, that's.

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Open bar takes precedence.

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Yeah.

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Frankly, I would still be there if there was an open bar.

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I'm sad I didn't get to go.

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Yeah.

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To feel this live would have been outstanding.

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I don't know if I could have been in the raid.

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I don't know if I could have been in the room.

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No.

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This would have been brutal.

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Watching it on a video was plenty terrible.

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If I was there and you saw the video,

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you could definitely hear my cackle at all the wrong points.

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Yeah.

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So, we have one last clip and it's the Q&A session

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has gone the way it has and it's mostly Nick Fuentes' fans

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asking him questions that highlight the differences

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between themselves and all the rest of conservatives.

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Which again, not in Alex's interests.

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Owen is hosting it and they get another question

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and it's not a question.

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It's a guy grabbing the mic and screaming directly into it

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about how Julian Assange needs to be pardoned.

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Sure.

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Owen listens to this for a little bit

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and then this is how the event ends.

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We need the leaders on this stage to fight that way

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because when he is gone, we are gone.

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All right guys, all right listen.

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Hey listen, we gotta shut this down.

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Thanks everybody for coming.

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I wanna thank the speakers here tonight.

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And just like that.

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That was it.

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The free speech summit ends with someone yelling something

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into the mic and then them being like,

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we gotta shut this down.

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The whole thing, that's it.

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And then they all just left?

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I don't know if they left

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because you can see from the video, the mics cut off

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and then people are milling about talking and stuff.

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Like it doesn't clear out immediately.

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But like the dais left.

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I don't know about that.

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Even people are still standing on stage.

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But you see that at shows sometimes too.

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Like it's not, yeah, I don't know.

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The mics are off so you can't really tell

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what anybody's doing.

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People just milling around talking, shooting shit.

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Fucking people.

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This summit was an embarrassment.

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This was a disaster.

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Yeah.

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There's so much stuff that's like really pretty funny though.

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And also very sad.

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Like it's a-

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I feel like I just lived through Titus Andronicus.

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Like this is a tragedy.

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Alex just got fed his family.

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This is a fucking tragedy.

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It is.

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If you're Alex, it is.

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Like he has to be really worried now.

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Cause he's invited into his own space

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and into his own world.

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The element that could, I mean like we could maybe

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have some sort of an influence on his audience

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that they're like, wait, he's lying about stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But that's kind of unlikely.

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But the element of Nick and these people

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who are like, you're not real conservatives.

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We are real conservatives.

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Alex isn't racist enough.

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Well, you don't put it that way.

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No, no, no, of course not.

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You frame it in terms of the language of like,

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he doesn't really care about these issues

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that are conservative.

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That could do some serious damage to him.

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And he's invited it into his own home

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and boosted it and elevated it.

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Cause he thinks he can get something out of it.

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And he can't.

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That road is blocked.

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He's not getting info warriors from the groipers,

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but the groipers could get Alex's audience

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to radicalize towards them.

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I will say this directly to Alex as a cautionary tale.

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You know, those Sith who give you that great theme song,

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you know, the Sith you love so much.

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The point is the Padawan is destined to kill the master.

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That is how the Sith operate.

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You need to know this.

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Plan ahead.

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That's fair enough.

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I still, I mean, Alex is resilient like a Kaga Roach.

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So I don't think that he's going to be destroyed by this,

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but it's going to make his job much harder.

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It like, I think that info wars is resilient enough

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that he's going to be able to navigate this in some form.

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But I do think that it could,

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if things keep going the way they're going,

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it could force him into situations

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where he has to make positions

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that he's been wishy-washy and vague about in the past.

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And that vagueness is very politically useful to him.

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The disappearance of that vagueness creates a,

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like, cause one of the things that the groipers

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are specifically aiming to do

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is nail people down on positions.

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So for Alex to have to be nailed down on something like,

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we should get rid of all foreign aid to Israel.

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What else does that imply?

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How does that change the rest of your coverage?

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What else comes from that?

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Or even getting rid of all legal immigration.

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What comes from that?

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Where does, how does your,

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like, your coverage have to change?

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It's a challenge he's not up to.

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And it could cut down on his bottom line

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at a time when he really needs as much as he can.

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So, I mean, we'll see.

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I have no idea, but I had an interesting time

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and a weird psychological rollercoaster watching this

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and I'm glad to be able to share some of it with you,

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not so much the failed congressional candidates

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and some of those bummers.

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I think they'll be okay.

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I think what's fascinating

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is that you've really put down a great case

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for the crisis point,

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only being able to come from the right.

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I think that's probably fair.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like, there's no pressure that the left could put on Alex

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to nail him down on aid to Israel or whatever it is.

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Not really.

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He can always just, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

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But coming from an ascendant talent

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like Fuentes at his own fucking house.

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And particularly with an organic base of people behind him.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Without that, Nick wouldn't have

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as much power or ability to do these things as he does.

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But because he has a bunch of people,

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and if you look at the room, Alex doesn't.

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Sure, isn't that funny?

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Yeah, it does create a relative power imbalance.

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Absolutely.

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It's the purity test of the bigot.

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And Alex will inevitably fail that

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if he sticks to what he's been doing forever.

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Right.

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Or force himself into satisfying that purity test

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and then he becomes more overtly a bigot.

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No, that's what I'm saying.

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It's a dangerous thing, yeah.

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It's like the ironic ADL of,

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look, the ADL can point out all the ways

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that you're a racist, but only racists can make you say it.

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Only racists can be like, are you a racist or not?

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That's an interesting axiom.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and we'll see what happens.

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But we'll be back, Jordan.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Right, we're also on Face Twitter.

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We are on Face Twitter.

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It's at face underscore fight and at face bed Jordan.

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And if you'd like to download us from the iTunes,

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then go to that.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.