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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan?
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Yeah.
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Dan?
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Hello.
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When was the last time you were trapped on a train with somebody talking on their phone loudly?
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I mean, it's not that far back. Certainly it's a very common occurrence.
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Yeah.
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I don't remember the last time, but I know that it's happened. Buses for me more.
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Yeah.
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I got off two stops before I normally do, because somebody was talking so loudly.
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Wow.
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So boringly on the train.
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So it's not even-
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I could not handle it.
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The conversation isn't even worth reporting back on.
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No, it was horrific.
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Your report is-
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It was horrific.
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Headline, boring conversation overheard on train.
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Oh, brutal.
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Cool.
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That's it. It was just so fun. I was so angry. And my headphones had just died too,
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so it was like I was trapped in-
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That's the worst situation.
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There was nothing I could do. I was trapped in this one half of a conversation.
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Well, that might have-
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You know what? Somebody might be moving to St. Louis soon, Dan.
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Oh, that's good news.
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Are you excited?
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Yeah, St. Louis is wonderful.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm so St. Louis, ask my tattooist.
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No.
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Shout out Murphy Lee.
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I won't do that.
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Also, along with Murphy Lee-
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I will not shout out Murphy Lee.
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Oh, he's great.
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I'd like to give a shout out to Murphy Lee.
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Also, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple new donors.
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Probably more importantly than Murphy Lee.
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Yeah, I mean, unless he donates to the show.
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Oh, God. Come on, Murphy. Come on.
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I don't know if he has the money for it anymore.
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Oh, come on. St. Lunatics, still relevant, but great.
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Shut up.
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Speaking of relevant, these people are very relevant to my appreciation, so thank you so much.
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First of all, I'd like to give a shout out-
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That was a bad transition.
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Thanks.
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I'm sorry, that was your first bad one in a year.
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Yeah, well, you know, you gotta- sometimes you gotta take the rough with the smooth.
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Yeah, that's true. No, no, no. Everybody's- you can't bat a thousand.
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That's right. If you do, you're juicing.
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Somebody who's not juicing.
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Is someone who's just joined up with the team and really appreciate it.
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Thank you so much, Mike. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Mike.
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Thank you very much, Mike.
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Also, I'd like to give a shout out to someone who came in on a little bit of a higher level,
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and I may mispronounce their name, and I apologize.
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It's Murphy Lee.
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Murphy Lee. One time we were doing a show in St. Louis,
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and we were trying to get Murphy Lee to come to the show.
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Okay.
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So we were like- found him on Twitter, and we're like tweeting at him like,
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hey, dirty, come to the show. Stuff like that.
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How did it go?
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Didn't work out.
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Didn't work out?
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No, but in doing so, we did find that Murphy Lee has a pretty good sense of humor.
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Okay.
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Like, he keeps calling people female humans and male humans.
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All right, I like that.
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Just nice.
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I like that.
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Yeah, and then the other thing he tweeted that I'll never forget was,
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don't nobody love these hoes, but everybody loves Raymond.
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All right, all right, I'm back on board with Murphy Lee.
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You won me over.
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You won me over.
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Someone who has won me over.
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Someone who's joined up on a little bit of an elevated level, and we appreciate it oh so much.
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Esme, you are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little kitty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you Esme.
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Thank you very much.
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I think it's Esme?
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Could be, and I apologize if I got that wrong.
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I'm not the best with names.
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I don't know.
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I think that's one of those ones that I've only ever read before, and you've never,
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like, I don't know any Esmes or Esmes.
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The one that always screws me up is the S-I-O-B-H-A-N, that Irish name.
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Yeah, Samhain.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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I have looked up how it's pronounced, and I have since forgotten.
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I feel terrible about it, but I'll never be able to retain that information.
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But either way, we appreciate it oh so very much.
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Thank you for your support.
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If you'd like to join up and support the show, you can do it by going to knowledgefight.com,
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clicking that support the show button, and we would appreciate it.
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It would be nice.
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So Jordan, today I wanted to do a present day episode, because we've been sort of,
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you know, we were in the past on Monday, and then we had our space adventure Wednesday,
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and I thought it would be good to check in on the present, but then I saw an article
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where Alex was saying that the shooting at that synagogue in Pittsburgh was a Marxist
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Jihadi plot.
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You can stop right there.
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And I said, no.
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Yeah, no.
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No, this is not even worth, like, I know that, like, looking at the abyss,
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is kind of part of what this show does a lot of the time, but I think that there's even,
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like, a point that it gets, like, why are we doing this?
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You get too close to the abyss, and you get drawn into it, and you die.
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I just don't think that there's much, like, point in us talking about that.
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I think that's, like, that's kind of at the line of, like, where it's like,
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all right, get bent, asshole.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't even...
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What research are you gonna do?
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Like, no.
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Well, there's that.
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There's nothing to sort out.
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There's nothing to look at except for, like, isn't this guy an asshole?
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Yeah.
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And I think we can do that in a more productive way through other avenues.
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And our past episode when we were in the past was incredibly relevant to the present.
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It's weird that way.
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Yeah, it's more relevant than Alex in the present.
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Somewhat.
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And so I decided, fuck it, we're staying in the past.
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And today we're going over an episode from March 20th, 2009.
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It's only one episode, but that's because I also am gonna just say off the top,
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this is a Friday episode.
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And I also listened to March 22nd, 2009, which is a Sunday.
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And that was hot garbage.
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Yeah.
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I realized that Alex Jones nowadays uses Sunday shows as soft launches for his narratives.
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Yeah.
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A lot of the time, if he wants to test something out, see how it feels coming out of his mouth.
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It's a little bit of an open mic.
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He'll do it on Sunday.
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Back in 2009, he would just do a recap of all the bullshit he talked about.
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Wait, really?
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And I realized why.
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It's because back then, more people listened to Sunday shows because it was distributed
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by MS Communications.
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He knew he had a bigger audience on Sunday than he did on weekdays.
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So he tried to make the most of it.
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Nowadays, he knows that less people are listening on Sunday.
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Gotcha.
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And so who gives a shit?
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Let's fucking punt on it.
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Yeah, I got it.
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I realized that.
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So this is technically March 20th and 22nd, but we're not going to talk about anything
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about 22nd.
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Yeah, but we do have an out-of-context drop from today's show.
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I am an animal.
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I am vicious.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right.
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I agree.
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Yeah, you're not wrong.
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We start off today's episode.
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In the aftermath of our last 2009 episode, we had, I think, probably the most substantive
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thing that happened was Alex got a visit from the guy who started the Oath Keepers.
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Yeah, which now is not something that you would want to wish on anyone.
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Like, if you told me that, oh, yeah, in about a week you're going to get a visit from the
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guy who started the Oath Keepers, I'd be like, how do I run away from this as fast as possible?
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It's kind of like a curse.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So we have that.
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Alex has softened his heart, the opposite of that quarter flash song.
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Pardon my heart.
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All right.
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You softened his heart to the Oath Keepers, and that will serve, I'm certain, as his transition
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to the Tea Party.
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Yeah.
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So that sort of, that mystery is a little bit, we've got a lead in that one.
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Yes.
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Further where we last left off, he was going real hard on the Mayak Report bullshit, really
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trying to feign and create the idea that the government hates patriots, and they're taking
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on over.
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We all do now.
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Certainly.
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So here we go.
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This is where Alex starts the show, and it's sort of indicative of his mood throughout,
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I would say, at least the first half hour, 45 minutes.
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You know, a lot of people are waking up to the New World Order right now, but I don't
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think people are waking up to the full magnitude of it.
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And last night, this morning, it's just been hitting me like a ton of bricks.
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Just how serious the situation we're in.
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Just now?
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You know, I don't sit here with pleasure reminding people that over the years, I have been ridiculed
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and laughed at about everything I've talked about, only to have people later admit I was
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right.
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Nope.
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And I'm telling you that they're going to kill the majority of us.
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I'm telling you that that comes next because they say that's what they're going to do.
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You are doing exactly.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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He said something that made me laugh.
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It's his own fault.
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The problem with it is that he is right, is that people do ridicule him and laugh at him,
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but he's wrong about the second part where he's always proven right, which I think is
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demonstrated over all of our episodes.
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I think we've put together a pretty solid indictment of his truth telling.
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I think one of the damning things or like one of the worst lingering legacies of Gandhi
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is that quote that like, first they ridicule you, then they.
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Yeah.
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I don't remember exactly how that quote goes, but a lot of people with really dumb ideas
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take solace in the fact that they're being ridiculed because they think they're on the
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path to being revolutionaries.
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Yeah.
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And that is exactly like where Alex lives.
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Just a note to anybody who's thinking of saying an inspirational quote at any point in their
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lives, it can be used against you.
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So don't.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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It'll be twisted.
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Be careful.
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Be careful with your inspiration.
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Or at the very least, once again, this is a perfect situation to add the dot, dot, dot,
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except Nazis.
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I think this is a great one.
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Sure.
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First they laugh at you.
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Yeah.
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Fuck you.
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Dot, dot, dot.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is a, he's pretty deep in this, like kind of rolling around like a pig in shit
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about how people make fun of him, but he's always right.
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Yeah.
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He's just, that's kind of his entire head space.
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And I'm not sure exactly why that is.
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Cause somebody laughed at him a lot recently.
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That could be.
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I don't see any external reason for him to be like, I have been vindicated as always
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or anything like that.
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Yeah.
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That's something must, something weird must've happened to him in his personal life because
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he talks about it a bunch.
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Lindbeck does hours and hours every day on radio and TV on it.
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He's talking about the Mayak report.
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Yeah.
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But see, I'm always the one that gets to be attacked when I break it.
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Just like it was out for a few days and getting the attention.
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We pointed out the Iowa national guard gun confiscation drill.
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Nope.
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They themselves were admitting.
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That's what it was.
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It was in the newspaper door to door asking the search houses and looking for gun dealers,
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how to lock down the tiny town of Arcadia, 400 and something people.
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Wasn't what that story was.
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And I get criticized for that.
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I go on air last week, it's in Reuters, a photo army troops on the streets after the
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mass shooting in Alabama.
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I go on air, people say, Oh, that's not true.
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Now it's in the Houston Chronicle and associated press and everywhere else.
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See, this is where the difficulty with Alex back then was.
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He is right about that second one.
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Yeah.
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That one where the troops were out.
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But we talked about that on a recent episode.
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Oh yeah, where, you know, the, it wasn't some nefarious, let's put troops on the street,
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or it wasn't even like a let's acclimate people to it.
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It was like, we don't have enough police force.
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Why don't you give us a hand here?
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And even they were like, we shouldn't have done that.
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And yeah, it was someone in the, uh, we were trying to do good, but it was a bad idea.
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It was someone in the organization who misunderstood his responsibilities and it was dealt with
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appropriately after the fact.
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So he brings in the Arcadia thing, which isn't true.
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That was a, that was a extra thing.
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That was a exercise where they were going around and simulating the idea of looking
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for someone in a town.
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It wasn't a gun confiscation drill or anything like that.
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That's nonsense.
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That has nothing to do with this.
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But then he is right about the idea of the troops on the street, but he's exaggerating
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it still.
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So it's like, okay, you get half a point.
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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He's absolutely right.
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We really shouldn't have the military operating within our borders.
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Interesting.
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We just, it's, it's a, it's unconstitutional.
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It's a really good thing that Alex has that as a principle.
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Yeah.
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It's important you stick to it.
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He doesn't change based on the weather and whether or not the guy he likes is doing it.
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And they're admitting invalid federal law.
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Posse Comitatus.
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But that's okay because that's what I'm here for.
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I'm here to hit the barbed wire first every single time.
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So everybody else can climb up over my back while I'm hanging in the barbed wire and spit
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on me and give me no credit after they're done climbing over me.
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You know what?
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I like it good because I'm doing this for all the innocent people out there.
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The new order is running over and hurting and killing.
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And I don't care about my name or people say and think about me, but the denial does speak
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of psychology.
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We're talking about martial law in New York when we get back.
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Oh boy.
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So like that sign off.
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Yeah.
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It's like a two seconds to break.
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You got to tease something.
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We'll be talking about the alien landing right after the break.
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I'm basically Jesus.
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Martial law in New York coming right up.
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I mean, I would say that that's a dangerous level of self-flagellation and like the way
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he thinks about himself in his mind.
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Like if someone was on the left and they spoke like that, I would be like, you are a little
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out there.
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You are unhealthy.
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I agree with what you stand for, but you are unhealthy and I don't think you're the right
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person to be carrying this message.
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Yeah.
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That's kind of how I would look at it just from like a human standpoint.
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It's a good idea to at least be like, Hey, Hey, let me back off.
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Right.
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Maybe hold it back a little bit.
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I know that he seems to be the example I pull up all the time, but just because I think
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he's funny and I like him, but like if Sam Cedar was acting like that, I would be like,
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never again.
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Or like, I'm gonna send you an email, see if you're okay.
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That's not good.
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Who's the, who's the dude who used to be a sports anchor?
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He was, he was like, no, I had that hard pass.
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I felt pretty similarly about Olbermann back when he was freaking out.
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Yeah.
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Olbermann dude.
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Yeah.
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I got it.
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Fucking calm it down a bit.
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I tentatively might agree with some of the things that you're saying, but stop it.
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Just back it off.
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Yeah.
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It's unhealthy and sit it down.
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When you perceive yourself this way, everything is going to be an attack.
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And when you perceive yourself this way, nothing is ever going to be like, you're never going
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to be able to look at the world realistically.
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Cause you're not looking at yourself realistically.
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And so Alex is deep in that mindset on this episode.
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And I don't know.
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It extends here.
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Oh, I promise you we'll get back to the martial law.
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Oh, okay.
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I was wondering, I thought that was going to be right up after the break.
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It's not, he has to talk more about how he's always right about everything.
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All right.
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Literally the Iowa story about the guard.
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We are the ones that push that big, broke it internationally.
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We got attacked by the mainstream media.
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That's the proof of the pudding.
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We broke the Myak report.
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Got attacked.
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Still sites saying it's not real.
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You got one scoop asshole.
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Comes out yesterday and says he defends it in Missouri.
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Governor Nixon.
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He should be impeached immediately.
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He wasn't.
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You know, on subject after subject after subject, you know, we started the nine 11 truth movement.
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I put my name on the line and I don't enjoy being the leader of it.
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It's dangerous.
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Yeah, you do.
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It's dangerous doing this.
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All I ask is that people out there who know we're on record on the front lines, the shock
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troops on every key issue, we're there.
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All we need you to do is to realize the power you have to be shocked troops as well.
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So the first thing I want to talk about about that is he's using two bullshit examples in
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order to establish his credibility.
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The Iowa Arcadia, Iowa story, complete bullshit.
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He was just lying about that.
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100% correct.
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Then the Myak report, the modern militia movement document.
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It was a real document that someone gave him and he did beat WikiLeaks to releasing it
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by a couple of days, but he completely lied about the contents of it.
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He made an elementary logical fallacy about what the inference was of the report.
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And nine 11, the jury's still out on whether or not he's right on that.
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It is interesting that he's so aggrandizing of his martyr status that he's willing to
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say, I, we started the nine 11 truth movement, which may or may not be a fair.
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I don't know enough about the etymology of those theories, but it's, it's entirely possible
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that Alex Jones was a huge part of, of like establishing the entire thing that got much
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larger than him very quickly.
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How long did it take for the nine 11 truth movement to start after nine 11?
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Well, you could argue that it happened immediately because Alex was on air that day and he started
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screaming about how they blew up the towers and how, uh, like this was the government
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killing its people and stuff.
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Oh, so then yeah, he did start the nine 11 truth movement.
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And then he brought it in the middle of the first tower in the second fall tower falling
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down.
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He was like, government did it.
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Let's move on.
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Whatever time he was on air.
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Yes.
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And then he had Ted Anderson on to sell gold.
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So you still had him on to sell gold when nine 11 was happening.
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That's the time to sell gold.
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That is crazy.
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That's, that's, that's the best time to sell gold.
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The entire world is watching the worst terror attack in America for blah, blah.
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And he's like, all right, all right.
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Nine 11 prices.
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We've got bullion is nine, nine ounces for 11.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what, what better time to override people's sense of like, I got to check this
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out first than in a terrorist attack.
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Of course you have Ted Anderson on to fucking sell gold.
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All right, that's fine.
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So the other thing I want to talk about about this clip is the Alex's use of the word shock
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troops to define his audience.
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Oh no, that's great.
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That's what you want.
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I know Alex loves to use military terminology to describe players and his information warfare
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nonsense, but the use of the term shock troops seemed a little strange to me.
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You see the term shock troops is an Americanization of the German word, uh, uh, which is the name
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stormtroopers.
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It's the name of the bodyguard unit specifically established to be Hitler's bodyguards.
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Right.
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Granted the concept of shock troops had existed prior to Hitler, uh, generally being a term
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that was used to describe offensive attack units that would sneak around and attack an
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enemy where they didn't expect it.
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Interestingly, many scholars on combat view the strategy that ISIS uses of employing suicide
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bombers as a form of modern shock troop activity.
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And this kind of highlights one of the reasons why Alex is using this metaphor is disturbing,
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but also I think it's pretty apt.
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Shock troops rarely survived.
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They would go in and light up the rear guard of a base or something like that.
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But then pretty much invariably be killed in the process.
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In the West, the concept grew out of units that were referred to as forlorn hope units,
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a name reflecting how dreadful their position was.
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The idea was that these troops would go in a whole lot of them would die or be severely
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wounded.
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But if they were lucky, they might be able to establish a position that they could then
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defend.
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Often the soldiers would be willing to take such huge risks because in many cases they
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were conscribed prisoners or who had no choice or because they were promised great rewards
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should they survive.
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Alex Jones comparing his audience to this sort of a soldier is very appropriate if you
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just add the caveat that the war they're waging is imaginary.
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Alex knows full well what he's doing to his audience with his lies and propaganda is the
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equivalent of mortally wounding them in battle.
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They may not end up with a limp or a missing limb, but as soon as they accept his world
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view of being shock troops in an imaginary war with the globalists, it's kind of the
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equivalent of social death in any community except for with their fellow info warriors.
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That will further insulate them more and lead them being more interested in being his shock
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troops.
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Yeah.
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So there's a there's a apt metaphor Alex is accidentally making here and I think it's
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really sad to think about.
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It's really it's a real fucking bummer when you realize like on some subconscious level,
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Alex is expressing an understanding of how much he's crippling his own listeners.
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Oh, yeah.
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With this this brain worm kind of idea that he's he's injecting into them.
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Well, even he in his like I would say minor understanding of the term still recognizes
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that the idea of the shock troops is they're going in first.
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They're the ones who are going to take the brunt.
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But he's hitting the barbed wire.
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Right?
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He's hitting the barbed wire.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, they they are.
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He's mysteriously getting paid millions of dollars to hit that barbed wire.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And he kind of doesn't actually touch the barbed wire.
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He's just kind of like, I look at barbed wire.
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I pretend there's barbed wire here.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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For millions of dollars.
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You guys are the shock troops.
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You run in.
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You touch that barbed wire.
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I touch it all the time.
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Why are you so afraid to touch that barbed wire?
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That's a good question.
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You're not a shock troop.
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You're all a bunch of cowards.
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Cowards sitting behind your ten thousand dollars a year part time job.
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It's such a day.
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I make millions of dollars a year to make you afraid of barbed wire that doesn't exist.
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And you are going to come tell me that you're scared of it?
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Wait, yes, I don't understand.
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What was I saying again?
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Anyways, we've got martial law in New York coming up after the break.
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I think that this sort of analog and this language, especially when it's couched in
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the like all the psychology that Alex is clearly manifesting on this show of like, I'm always
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right and everyone mocks me and I love it because I'm always right eventually.
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Right.
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You guys are my foot soldiers who are out there shock trooping it up.
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I think that's really, really fucked up.
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And it would be fucked up if he actually was right about things.
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Yeah.
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But then when you add in that he's wrong about everything.
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I mean, the picture starts to take shape of someone who just wants to destroy people's
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lives for money.
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It feels tough to get away from that a little bit.
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It's a good racket, apparently.
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Yeah, apparently.
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A lot of people get really rich destroying people's lives for money.
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It appears so.
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And the people who try and build people's lives up for money do not get paid well at
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all.
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No, no, it's a shitty racket.
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Yeah.
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So, but here we are.
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We're back from the break, the metaphorical break.
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Yes.
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And it's time to talk about martial law in New York.
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Thurgood martial law.
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That's just some of what I've got here in front of me.
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But I wanted to bring Rob Doohan here.
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The city councilman of this New York city would not come on, I guess, because of fears
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or repercussions or whatever.
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But Jason Burmas is from right outside this city and says, oh, yeah, it's legendary for
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police drug dealing and corruption, basically mafia run.
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And so we're going to come back and play a little news clip from Capitol News 9.
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Mayor considers options martial law over political woes.
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So this is the story that he's going to weave, and he's going to weave it into like they're
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trying to put martial law in place in Schenectady, New York.
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That is the, that's the big story.
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And unfortunately, in Alex's telling of the introduction to the story there, he solves
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the mystery clearly because he says that Jason Burmas is from around there and they have
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a huge police corruption problem.
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That's what this is about.
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It's not about martial law.
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It's about a deeply, deeply entrenched in corruption police department.
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So at the beginning of 2009, the town of Schenectady faced multiple officers who were
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facing termination, leaving a massive hole in their only 166 officer deep department.
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According to the Daily Gazette, quote, the six officers who may be fired are Darren Lawrence,
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accused of drunk driving, crashing in a colony, fleeing the scene and beating a friend to
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keep him from reporting the incident.
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Sounds right.
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Michael Brown, accused of driving drunk, hitting another car, fleeing the scene and refusing
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a breathalyzer test.
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John Lewis, accused of DWI, threatened to kill his ex-wife and numerous other charges.
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Gregory Heffensteiner and Andrew Kazerowitz, accused of beating a drunk man during an arrest.
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And Dwayne Johnson, accused of leaving work four hours early on numerous Tuesdays.
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Feels like one of those might just be a stern warning.
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One of those is just a jabroni, my friend.
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That's all.
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Did you say that because it's Dwayne Johnson?
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Yes, of course I did.
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God damn it.
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All right.
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All of those guys, however, I do want to have guns publicly.
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Sure.
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That's great.
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You have this list of all these people who are clearly acting with impunity and like
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either beating suspects while in custody.
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Or going home from work early on a Tuesday.
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And the beating the drunk man during an arrest doesn't even describe it fully.
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Like they had him handcuffed and they beat the shit out of this guy.
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And they beat the shit out of him.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And the other ones are like DUIs, which you can kind of understand.
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People fuck up sometimes.
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But when you have a DUI and then you beat up somebody in order to not get arrested or
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you know, you try and you threaten to kill your ex-wife on top of it.
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Yeah.
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There are things that are like, okay, we got a problem here.
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Yeah.
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So their Sergeant Eric Clifford was caught undergoing a dental procedure while on duty.
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And he told the dispatch that he was, quote, going out on a detail.
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So you're still on the clock and just went and got some dental procedures done.
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All right.
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I respect that hustle.
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I'm fine with that.
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The head of the Civilian Complaint Review Board had quit in January, citing feelings
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that no one was listening to any of their complaints, any of the civilian complaints.
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Yeah.
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He even said that he felt that he was just an errand boy, like a courier delivering complaints
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that would then be ignored.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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City Councilman Gary McCarthy said, quote, I'd like to go one week where we don't have
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a negative newspaper article about the department.
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It's just baffling that it just keeps happening.
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It's human nature that people are going to make mistakes.
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But this seems so institutionalized.
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Schenectady Mayor Brian Stratton was kind of in a tough situation.
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Here he was facing the possibility that he'd have to fire a group of police officers.
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And those were just the officers that they had potential grounds for dismissal for that
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wouldn't likely get challenged as cause for termination and result in a lawsuit.
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Yeah.
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Because for better or worse, the police have a pretty fucking good union.
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Their union is strong.
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Yeah.
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It's amazing how many people support unions only when it comes to police.
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It's weird.
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Somehow they hate unions when they're teachers.
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I absolutely.
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It's so strange.
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I absolutely support the police having a union.
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But you have to recognize in a situation like this, when there are these bad cops that have
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become deeply entrenched inside the police force, the union does make it incredibly difficult
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in order to have, I don't know what you'd call it, but like easy solutions are very
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difficult in that situation because they have a strong protection.
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Yeah.
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But you can respect it because that protection is, of course, in a situation like policing,
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it could very easily be used politically and nefariously.
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Sure.
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So the protection is there to keep that shit from happening.
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Right.
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But it also gives you that, you know, six of one hand and a half dozen in the other
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where it's like you fucked up and you're still protected.
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Yeah.
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The same thing is true for teachers unions in plenty of places where they have the teachers
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who just go to work and sit in a room all day because you can't fire them, but they
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can't be allowed near students.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like that kind of thing.
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Ultimately, Mayor Brian Stratton had just said that calling for dissolving the department
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and calling in county or national guard help while they reformed the police force was a
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quote last resort.
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Not surprisingly, people were pretty against the idea and it failed to get off the ground
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in any way.
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Yeah.
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That's just a comment from the mayor.
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And even in response to the comment, people were like, yeah, you can't do that without
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the governor.
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So the mayor doesn't even have the authority to do this.
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It was just him trying to express in some way how severe the problem was.
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Right, right, right.
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And how he was willing to, if need be, look into this as a solution where they dissolve
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the entire police department because it would be impossible for them to root out the corrupt
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officers that were resulting in the population kind of being terrorized a little bit by the
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police force.
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So now the problem of police corruption in Schenectady was something that Mayor Stratton
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did not give up on and it took him until 2011 to complete his mission of forcing out entrenched
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officers who did things like, quote, spew racial slurs while fighting in a bar.
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Or, of course, there was the case of Detective Jeffrey Curtis, who, quote, became addicted
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to crack cocaine and stole 85 pieces of the drug from the police department's evidence
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safe.
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Curtis compromised evidence in more than a dozen cases with his theft.
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That's not good.
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So he had a situation like that and he took years and found novel solutions in order to
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get around things like the limitations of the unions.
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He was able to find ways to convince a lot of these officers to resign.
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Right.
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He was able to force out ones that he could force out and he made it his mission.
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He retired having completed what he meant to do in office.
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Really?
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Yeah, it's actually-
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Fuck yeah!
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Good for you, dude!
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I obviously don't know everything about Schenectady politics or Brian Stratton's entire career,
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but from a lot of the stuff I was able to read, he seems like a really good success
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story in many ways in terms of like setting out.
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When you get into office, you realize, oh shit, look at all this.
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Yeah.
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Look at this mess.
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Our budget is completely fucked.
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The police force is a disaster.
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And you set about trying to make changes.
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And along the way, you make a statement like we're willing to call in National Guard and
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county officers if we have to dissolve the department.
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Yeah.
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And propagandists like Alex jump all over that instead of looking at like, oh my God,
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there's a lot of positive reforms this person was able to make.
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And he didn't actually do anything resembling martial law.
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So the real bad-
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It's almost like the bureaucracy worked.
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The real bad part about this story is that they were-
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Alex and Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about this.
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Oh, that's not good.
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And Stratton responded.
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Oh, that's super not good.
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You never should have done that Stratton.
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Yeah, because then they just turned that- that'll be later.
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Alex will talk about that when that actually happens a couple weeks down the road or whatever,
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but like you don't do that because then they just get to dance on your letter or whatever.
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They get to lie about what your letter says.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So anyway, suffice it to say, Brian Stratton seems like a civil servant who did a great
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job and helped the people of Schenectady quite a bit.
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And Alex is a complete liar, which leads us to this next clip.
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A lot of people doubt us.
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I mean, you could check us out every time and it's true.
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I do.
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We know how things work.
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This is what I do.
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You don't.
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Full time.
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Maybe you should be part time.
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So, I mean, here we have Alex starting the show off and the entire thing is about like,
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I'm right all the time and people hate me.
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We have this New York martial law story.
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That's a complete lie that he's spinning.
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And then he's like, why does everyone fucking doubt us?
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This is why Alex.
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And it doesn't, it doesn't help.
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The guests that he have seem to not be hard hitting interviews.
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It seems like, look, if you're a politician, I get it a lot of the time.
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You have to like, hold back, be diplomatic, learn how to speak correctly.
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There should be few, a few exceptions though, where you're allowed to just go be like,
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fuck that guy.
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You know, like your response to Alex should always just be, you should be allowed in all public.
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Like nobody is allowed to write FCC complaints or whatever.
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If you just go on TV and say, oh, Alex said what?
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Fuck that guy.
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And we removed the taboo of like teeing off on him.
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Yeah, you get one.
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Yeah, I don't, I don't disagree with that being a policy.
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Yeah, I like it.
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Um, so like I said, Alex.
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Let's call Stratton and see if he can get that in and taken care of.
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So, uh, we get here.
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Uh, now, uh, like I said, Alex's guests are very not hard hitting, which is another reason
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why people are like, what the fuck?
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Why, you know, people critique him rightly because he has, a lot of the time he has his
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sponsors on the show and they're not adverse, like they're not announced as, uh, his sponsors
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or if they are, it's just them telling stories and weaving narratives that help them sell
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things like this appearance by Steve Shenk, Alex Jones's e-food direct, uh, sponsor.
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I want to bring up for the balance of this hour before all these in-studio guests in
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the financial news, because it's perfect timing with all that's happening to give us an update
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on what's happening in the food world.
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And that's a Steve Shenk of the Jay Michael Stevens group, efoodsdirect.com.
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Uh, sir, what do you think of the last three or four minutes of news I was covering?
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Well, I think it's absolutely in accord with what you and I were going to talk about with
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HR, uh, 875 and S425, where they're, where they're moving on food, just as you and I
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have talked about for the last three years.
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Moving on it like a bitch.
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So now we have a situation here where he has his food sponsor on who sells survival buckets,
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basically, um, who's coming in to talk about this legislation, uh, that Alex, we mentioned
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it in, in passing on a recent episode where you're like, why are we talking about this?
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Because it was that idea of the community gardens in Tulsa where, uh, it's just like,
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no, they're talking about, where's the budget for upkeep and things like that.
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It's not about trying to, but now Alex has weaved this narrative into being like, they're
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going to try and, uh, uh, encroach on you to such an extent that you won't be able to
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have a garden in your home.
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Oh no.
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Yeah.
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So that's what the story is now.
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Now.
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I just don't understand why he doesn't say we're going to go to the shank tank and talk
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to Steve shank.
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I don't understand that at all.
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That would be nice.
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That's right there.
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If Alex had a little bit more morning zoo in him, that might be a little more entertaining.
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It's right there.
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Yeah.
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It's on a T. So, um, there's a fun little bit of internet hysteria that went around
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in early 2009 where conservative conspiracy theorists were trying to argue that the government
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was trying to take away your right to have a home garden.
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That sounds right.
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Um, there was a bill, it was called HR 875, which is what Steve shank just brought up
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as a house resolution.
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The sponsor of that bill, representative Rosa DeLauro was more than fair with her response
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to that sort of nonsense.
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According to the Huffington post quote, the intent of the bill is to focus on the large
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industrial processes such as the peanut processing plant in Georgia that was responsible for
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the salmonella outbreak that killed nine people.
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She says she emphasizes that the constitution's commerce clause prevents the federal government
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from regulating commerce that doesn't cross state lines, which is actually possibly inaccurate.
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There might, there's wiggle room on that.
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There's like a little update at the end of the article.
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So I just felt like giving that caveat.
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Okay.
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Um, DeLauro says that she's open to making technical changes in the bill if any small
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farmers remain concerned that the bill is aimed at them.
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The article goes on to say, quote, DeLauro says that she's been told that the disinformation
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campaign was a libertarian operation somewhere in the country, but we're trying to figure
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it out.
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And I think I could help her sort that mystery right out very easily.
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It's a false libertarian who's spreading this on his dumb radio show.
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And he could be inspired less by righteous hatred of regulation and more by moneyed interests
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who have a, who are literally on his show right now, who have, who have a stake in the
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game.
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Maybe you might say they could have a big old shank in the game.
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Also this bill died in committee, just like the identical bill that Rosa DeLauro introduced
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the year prior when Alex wasn't complaining about it back then.
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I don't know why.
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So also S 425 is the other bill that a shank brings up.
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That was the Senate version of the bill and it too died in committee.
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The last action on it was taken on February 12th or if you're keeping score, one month
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before this episode we're listening to now, the house version was sent back to committee
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on February 4th.
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All of this is just lies about what the text of bills say that didn't even get voted on.
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The only reason they're covering this at all is because it's something that's very easy
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to craft into the narrative of government encroachment.
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Plus it has the added benefit of being something that's easy to twist into being about big
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food like Monsanto trying to crush your home garden so you rely on them for food.
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When in reality the bill was written, it was specifically designed to regulate big interstate
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companies that had nothing to do with gardens.
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Like Monsanto.
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Basically it's just a sales pitch that allows Steve Shank and his e-foods direct to enjoy
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some of that imaginary victim status that Alex Jones loves so very much and uses to
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sell his shit.
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Oh, they want to be victims so bad while running everything and ruining people's lives.
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It's fascinating.
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Why do you fetishize victimhood so much?
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I think it's because something that we don't ever really take too into consideration is
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that it's super powerful as a motivator for people.
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I think that they're exploiting fear and empathy at the same time.
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Because I think some people would be like, oh, we have to stop this.
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They're going to shut down Steve Shank's ability to help us get food.
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So there's a kernel of the empathy that people have for Steve Shank in this case or for Alex.
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They probably have some misplaced empathy towards him when he presents himself as a
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victim of all this shit that I think that any emotional response is something that people
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can use to get you to override your better judgment.
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I think there's something to that.
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I stopped short of calling it brilliant.
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Yeah, I know.
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You caught yourself real quick.
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It's a powerful marketing tool.
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It's an effective technique.
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Yes.
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I think so.
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Yeah.
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Also, oh shit, I completely forgot about this.
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What did you forget about?
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I meant to talk about this up top at the beginning of the show.
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So everyone's dancing all over Jacob Wall and I'm thrilled about that.
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Yeah, no, that's hilarious.
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That was the dumbest press conference.
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That was astonishingly dumb.
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I loved it.
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The other guy there.
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Yes.
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Berkman.
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Jack Berkman had his fly down.
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Yes, I know.
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How?
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Now.
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How is that real?
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That's not what I wanted.
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That can't be real.
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That's not what I wanted to bring up.
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Although it is funny.
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He had his fly down at a press conference that he was giving.
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If listeners, longtime listeners to the show might recognize the name Jack Berkman.
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And the reason for that is we went over a long, like maybe nine, 10 months ago.
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We went over Alex Jones trying to tell the story of a Seth Rich investigator who got
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shot.
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Yeah.
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And it turns out that that was just a situation where he had hired another crazy guy to work
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with him and then they had a little work squabble.
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Yeah.
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The guy who got shot was Jack Berkman.
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Jack Berkman.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Oh yeah.
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It's nice.
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It's nice to have these.
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I wish people would report on that.
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But that was a really fun, that's a really fun piece of our, uh, our past.
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And I, when I realized that was him, I, I, uh, guffawed quite heavily.
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How?
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How?
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Yeah.
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How?
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It's pretty amazing.
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These people just don't go away.
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What are you doing?
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They just don't go away.
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They just keep, keep doing bullshit.
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I mean.
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So actually on the episode.
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The stick-to-itiveness is sometimes a good thing, but sometimes you just got to walk
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away.
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Yeah.
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On the episode where we were talking about that, uh, Alex telling that story and like
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covering it as news, I was like, I don't know enough about Jack Berkman to say that he's
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a dirty propagandist.
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I now do.
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I'd like to go back in time and retroactively affirm that on our old episode.
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So consider that me, uh, giving notice to that old episode.
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If you go back and listen to that old episode in a week, it'll have like a little combo
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breaker part where you're like, yep, bullshit, conservative propagandists moving on.
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I don't have nearly the amount of time to go back and find, I don't even remember what
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episode that was.
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I have no idea when we did it.
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I don't.
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But he's got her back.
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All right.
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So, um, in this next clip, uh, the Mayak report is a super big piece of Alex Jones's current
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milieu.
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Still going.
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Um, but he also has that story that he pitched on, uh, we heard it on Monday's episode where
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he has this forced volunteering bill, um, that if you, if you recall, uh, Alex's reporting
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on the introduced version of the bill, as opposed to the past version of the bill that
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had the, uh, sort of mandatory service aspect of it stripped out from its original form.
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Right.
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mandatory service is never a good idea.
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No, he's lying entirely about the nature of the article, but he brings it up again.
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And man, this has evolved over the course of a couple of days.
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This is so much scarier now.
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All over the country, uh, Obama has, and of course, Bush started all of this, but flawlessly
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seamlessly, they're continuing it like relay runners passing a baton that they are going
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to have martial law in the States and cities and the tent cities and FEMA camps enforced
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service.
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Yeah.
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It'd be terrible if somebody wanted to build a fucking pass the house, but separately the
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army issued a directive a few weeks ago for a million person civilian army that will be
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under a draft.
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It says compulsory.
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It doesn't say draft.
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It says compulsory service 18 to 24 and that, uh, you will be directed inside the United
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States or anywhere else in the planet, including war zones.
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So Obama noise, everybody else, I guess for that matter, hold on to the also have a senior
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Corps, a green Corps where they will decide what you're going to be and do, and then you
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will serve them.
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It has passed the house.
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Still the public is in denial about that.
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Meanwhile, the mayor of Chanakety, New York options, martial law over police woes, Ozzie
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man, Damas, the mayor of Chanakety.
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So there we get another, another like he's just reading that, uh, that martial law headline
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and connecting it.
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All right, children, you're 18 to 24 you, we need you to volunteer.
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There's a lot going on.
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We need you to build homes.
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We need you to build gardens.
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We need you to fix roads.
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We need to, we need you to go read to people in the hospice in war zones.
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That's where you got to go.
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We're taking you straight to the Afghanistan hospice.
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See it's a candy Stripe.
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It's very complicated because what he's doing now is he's trying to combine things like
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different things and then make them seem like the same thing.
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So he's talking about like he mentioned a department of defense directive in there and
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then talked about a bunch of other bullshit that I can't even figure out where he's getting
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the, all that other stuff.
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But some of the things about like war zones and stuff like that, that's from the department
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of defense directive, which we'll talk about in a minute.
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But then without mentioning that he's shifting topics, he's like, hey, pass the house.
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And what passed the house is that stripped down version of a, what was it?
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House resolution 1388.
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So like he's, he's trying to play fast and loose with all these details, pretending that
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it's all the same and none of it's real and none of it matters.
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It's all crazy.
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That's that's great work.
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So that's great work on his part to spin fucking bullshit out of nothing.
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That's tough to do.
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It's crazy.
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So in the, in this next clip, he brings up the directive and I'm going to go ahead and
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jump right into it so we can have a fuller picture and talk about that a little.
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I mean, this is classical as bad as it gets the most stinking tyranny.
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And I wanted to nexus that in with a story from info wars.net Steve Watson, January 30th
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of this year, two months ago, defense department announced a civilian expeditionary force.
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And we've got a link to the bill there and excuse me, not bill at nexuses with the bill
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to the defense department directive 140410 management retrains the authority to direct
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and assign civilian employees either voluntary or involuntary or on an unexpected basis to
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accomplish DOD missions domestically or internationally.
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And it says that you will be forced to deploy.
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So there you have it exactly what they said they were going to do decades ago.
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It's now happening.
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So I think that there's one word that Alex is hoping you didn't hear in there.
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And that is employee.
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Yeah.
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Because this is about DOD employees.
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Yeah.
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Now, they call their mandatorily their their their it's part of their service.
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They call them civilian employees because there's a lot of people in the military who
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work for the DOD.
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Yeah.
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So civilian employee doesn't mean citizen of the United States who's being conscribed
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into service for the DOD.
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It's nonmilitary personnel who work for the Defense Department, like contractors.
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Exactly.
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So it's if you look at this because you can find also if it is if it is the DOD and even
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if he is right, what kind of idiot would just grab some random person and be like, oh, now
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go in, go achieve the DOD's mission.
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Right.
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It would take more money to train them.
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Right.
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So it so you can find this.
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It's it is the DOD directive 1404 dot 10.
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Like you can find it.
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I read it.
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I have a link of it if you want it.
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Yeah.
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It's all just about employee stuff.
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And the part that like Alex is cherry picking that quote because it says mandatory or like
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willing or unwilling reassignment and stuff like that.
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And he doesn't read what came right before that in the text.
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DOD civilian employees in EE or NCE positions may be directed to accept deployment requirements
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of the position.
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However, whenever possible, the DOD civilian expeditionary workforce will be asked to serve
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expeditionary requirements voluntarily.
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Now the important thing there is EE means emergency essential and NCE means non-combat
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essential, which is to say that the position is essential but doesn't involve combat.
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Right.
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This is entirely about essential positions and how we will try to accommodate you as
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best as possible.
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We want this to be voluntary, but because these positions are essential, we might have
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to reorganize in such a way where you go to a position you don't necessarily want to be
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in.
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And if you don't want to be in that, guess what?
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Because you are an employee, you can quit.
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You don't have to go.
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No matter what, you are at will.
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That is true.
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But they do also accept volunteers.
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The civilian expeditionary workforce accepts volunteers.
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But if you go to their website and you read their FAQ page, there is a question, quote,
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as a volunteer, are there any negative consequences if I decline an opportunity?
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The answer, quote, as an employee volunteer, you cannot be directed to serve an expeditionary
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requirement.
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So that's not a possibility.
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Also there's extensive...
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It's almost like all of these people have already thought of the things that he is going
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to bitch about and have written them into the rules so that he cannot bitch about them
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and yet somehow he still does.
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Totally.
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And if you go to their website, there's a list of extensive training requirements that
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you have to undergo.
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And these positions are pretty high paying positions.
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These aren't something where it's like exactly what you were saying, like picking someone
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off the street and, you know, whatever.
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What are you talking about?
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So in Steve Watson's article, he writes at the beginning of the article, quote, the Defense
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Department has established a civilian expeditionary workforce that will see American civilians
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trained and equipped to deploy overseas in support of the worldwide military missions.
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Problem is DOD Directive 140410 is really just an updating of an already existing directive.
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You can easily find a version of it from 1992, which still explicitly includes nearly identical
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language about the deployment of civilian employees of the Department of Defense.
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Also I found one from April...
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That one is from April 1992.
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So we can't even say Bill Clinton, you know, it was done under Reagan.
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Also I found a revision of their manual regarding civilian employees for the Defense Department
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from 1988 you can find online.
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Well, then it's been happening for 30 years now, Dan.
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Somebody's got to stop this.
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What?
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Them employing non-military personnel?
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Yes!
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And they've just been conscripting these people in secret, Dan.
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That's why we don't know where so many people are right now.
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It's utter nonsense.
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This is...
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Missing persons cases?
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No.
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Forced conscription into untrained military action in Afghanistan or wherever they want
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to go.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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This is something that he's lying about in the House that is completely different.
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He's reporting on a different version of the bill than passed, which I call lying.
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Then we have this Department of Defense Directive 140410, which doesn't say what he's saying.
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He's conveniently not explaining what civilian workforce means because it serves his purpose
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of the idea of like Obama is going to come and force you into service.
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He's going to take your kids and then they're going to sass you at the dinner table, right?
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So it's all this bullshit.
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It's like he's connecting two lies into a bigger lie.
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It's insane.
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And even then, for some people, that might be like Obama's going to come to your home,
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he's going to give you training, and he's going to pay you $40,000 a year to do whatever.
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There's another aspect of this that I want to talk about, and that is in the mid-2000s,
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volunteerism was really hot.
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It was a really hot thing.
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And I know this because I went to the University of Missouri and I worked at the Office of
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Service Learning.
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And that was a department within the university where my...
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And within the Department of Defense.
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That's absolutely true.
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My entire job, because there was funding for service-based curriculum, was to go through
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the entire catalog of courses at the University of Missouri and try and find ones that could
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have a volunteer aspect added to the course.
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So if you say like pulmonary sciences or something like that, there's an easy application of
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volunteering five hours a week at a clinic or something like that.
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Not hard.
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You just take people's blood pressure from time to time.
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Exactly.
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The university got grants and things like that in order to weave volunteerism into the
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curriculum of classes where it was applicable.
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I know because I was involved in creating the catalog of courses for the service learning
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department that it wasn't something nefarious.
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There were many times where I was stretching.
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I was like, well, maybe this could... you could volunteer at a museum.
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And they're like, that's not really applicable to the course.
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Anybody could volunteer at a museum, Dan.
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It was hot in the sense of like this idea, this paradigm.
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It wasn't the entire university.
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It was just in the service learning department.
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But within that department, there was this idea of we have an opportunity to get people
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to help where they can volunteer their time, which is a positive thing for everybody.
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And they'll also get college credit from doing those things.
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It's not some evil thing.
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But what year was that?
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Oh, boy, 2007 probably.
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At the University of Missouri?
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Yeah.
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So everybody else was still into Tamagotchis, right?
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Yeah, probably.
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That was what...
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I was deeply unqualified to work at that department.
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At the Tamagotchi department?
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Yeah.
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My then girlfriend's mom ran the department.
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So it was a little... it was a little nepotism.
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All right.
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Little nepotism.
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All right.
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But I did...
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I enjoyed that.
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It was a nice time and interesting work.
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And I think that Alex probably would see something very nefarious behind even that.
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Of course.
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And it wasn't.
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There wasn't.
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So all this like these moves and these pushes towards volunteerism and stuff like that,
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that was happening before Obama got in office.
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It was 2007.
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So I mean...
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But I believe they... like you were saying, they had written a lot of grants into trying
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to encourage people to do this.
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You know, I mean...
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But not all of those grants necessarily come from the government.
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Right, right, right.
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The university got money in order to, you know, it was... they got money in order to
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convince people to volunteer, which is an interesting issue.
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It's an interesting way to go about it.
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Yeah.
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But I think there's a net positive to it because you could also have really positive experiences
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while volunteering and retain it as a piece of your ethos after college.
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True.
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There's a lot of stuff like that.
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I think there's a lot of people in the world who would probably volunteer if it was easier.
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Like the point of entry is difficult because you got to find a place you believe in, you
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got to go through a process of like saying, hey, I want to volunteer and then you don't
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know if it's like, all right, put on a cloak or whatever.
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Put on a cloak?
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Smock?
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I don't know.
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Where are you volunteering that you need a cloak right off the bat?
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I couldn't come up with the word apron and said cloak.
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All right.
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Welcome to the Dementor School.
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Right, right.
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So I mean, this is all hot bullshit and I experienced a bit of this firsthand.
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And to some extent, it was a little overwrought and it was like an interesting new paradigm
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for education.
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Yeah.
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And so people were a little bit more gung ho on it necessarily than they needed to be.
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But I don't understand the negative backlash to it.
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As someone who lived in it, I think that's kind of stupid.
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But speaking of really stupid things, his next guest.
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We already had Steve Schenk, who sells Alex's food, and now we have another guest who has
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a financial connection with Alex.
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Gold's going considerably higher.
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Gold and silver are the ones who are going to profit by this.
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This is the only place to go with your investment money is in gold and silver.
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And I can't stress that enough.
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There are no more alternatives.
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So Bob Chapman's here to tell you the only place to put your money, gold and silver,
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conveniently on a show broadcast on Genesis Communications that's owned by Ted Anderson,
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who also owns Midas Resources and started the Genesis Communications Network as a marketing
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arm for Midas.
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You have no idea how great Bitcoin was going to be.
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No, they don't want it.
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They don't want any of that.
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Even now, the terrible prices it is now, if you had bought a Bitcoin back then, you'd
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be a millionaire.
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Easy.
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They don't want any of that nonsense.
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There's no other place to put it but gold and silver?
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Gold.
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Go with the cryptocurrency.
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Go with max coin at this point.
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Why not?
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Because Ted Anderson doesn't own a cryptocurrency outlet.
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Oh, he doesn't?
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No.
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So they're here to sell Ted's gold.
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We know this.
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We see this over and over again.
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It's like clockwork.
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You already know that Ted Anderson's going to show up.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, he's definitely shown up.
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It's not even a reveal when I play like three clips from now when Ted Anderson shows up.
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Oh, no.
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If Bob Chapman's there, Ted Anderson is not far behind.
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He's there to serve as a fake expert about the economy, talk a bunch of shit about how
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terrible things are, tell you you need gold, and then magically, Ted shows up to sell you
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gold.
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So here's the part of it where they tell you -
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Now, when I was raping South Africa, the thing that I knew most was that gold was the place
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to go.
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We didn't touch the blood diamonds.
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We left that to our buddies.
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South Africa was too hot for a while, so I went to Rhodesia.
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Whoops.
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Whoops-a-doodle.
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Bob.
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So here's the part where Bob tells you about how terrible it is and makes horrible predictions
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for the future.
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This is right after Alex has told him his stories about the evils of volunteerism.
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Oh, man.
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You volunteer.
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I get you.
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They're still calling it a rumor, and the bill has passed the House on its way for sure
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passage they're saying in the Senate.
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It's the beginning of tyranny.
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People have read about it that occurred in all the places you've mentioned just now,
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and the plans are being put in place.
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How long will it take?
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I think maybe a year from this summer.
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Oh.
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Summer of raids.
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Summer of raids and volunteering.
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I think it will be about 22% this year by the end of the year.
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And I don't think that's enough to get people cranked up fully.
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What?
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What?
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22% isn't enough?
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And so I think the end of the fall of the year, sometime during 2010, the riots and
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demonstrations are going to be happening in America in a big way.
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I may be off my timing, but things always take a little bit longer than you think they're
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going to.
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Way to cuck out your own prediction there at the end.
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That's really bold.
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Oh yeah.
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The world is going to end on December 12th, 2012.
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But I might be wrong on the timing.
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Could be later.
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You never know.
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It takes usually, you know, maybe that's the beginning of the end, so it could be a while
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after that.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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My name is Bob Chapman.
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I run a newsletter called The International Forecaster, and I would like to forecast
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that there will be rioting and tyranny in America by the summer of 2010.
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Right.
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But I might be wrong.
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Fuck off.
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If you think you might be wrong, don't make that fucking prediction, you dickweed.
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Like, don't save dates.
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Don't do that.
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Don't you remember how Skilling always comes up doing the weather and he's like, hey, it
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might rain?
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Who knows?
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It couldn't.
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It might not.
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Sometimes rain takes a little bit longer than you think it's going to.
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You don't get to play these games and then be like, I'm going to give myself an escape
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door here where I might be wrong, especially when you're the fucking International Forecaster.
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And Gerald Cilenti calls himself a trends forecaster, and he makes these dumbass predictions
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that are equally, they're the same.
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Summer of rage coming next year.
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Summer of rage.
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And volunteerism.
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You can't say that you're a forecaster talking to Alex Jones, who has already many times
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said he's a psychic, and then be so wrong all the time.
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It's crazy.
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You're misunderstanding.
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What they mean, you know, when you say forecaster, we think of it as like the forecast.
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What they're talking about is they cast fours, really amazing dice players.
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Okay.
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They're incredible.
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No.
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Or they play Dungeons and Dragons.
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You can cast fours on Dungeons and Dragons.
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Nope.
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They're agents for arm models.
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Ooh.
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Forearm.
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Forearm casting.
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They're agents for four year olds.
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So in the middle of this, they get into just nonsense conversation about how Alex is scared
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about everything.
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And then Alex starts yelling at Bob about how manly he is.
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How manly Bob is?
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About how manly Alex is.
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I was going to say, cause you look as far as lying as a Alex can be, nobody's calling
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Bob manly.
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Yeah.
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It's not happening.
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Probably not.
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But Alex, on the other hand, manly is shit.
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I am an animal.
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I am vicious.
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You know, at a sick level, I'd love somebody to try that.
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I want to literally rip their head off their shoulders.
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Yes, you do.
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And I don't understand how the time somebody tried to mug me in Dallas, I feigned like,
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Oh my God, I'm scared and started getting down on my knees and grab the gun out and
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literally stomp that guy's head into putty.
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And then, and then people think I'm making that up.
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Like I made up going to Bohemian Grove or I made up breaking the Myak reporter, I made
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up founding 9-11 Truth or I made up making the Obama deception.
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I'm about action.
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And the people are so cowardly Bob, they think I'm making it up that I'm taking guns away
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from people.
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I don't understand why people are so whippy.
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I don't think of myself as a tough guy, Bob.
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Nobody comes after me.
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I can't control myself.
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What is wrong with these people?
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I don't know.
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We've discussed some of it.
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I just don't know.
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Great answer, Bob.
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How much would it suck?
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Look, Bob, you gotta find a different gig.
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I mean, come on.
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He's clearly getting paid pretty well.
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But not well enough to just sit there through that.
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Yeah.
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I would do that in a heartbeat.
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What?
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No way.
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There's such a...
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There's other stuff to do.
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I don't care not to laugh.
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That would be my problem when he's like, what's wrong with people, Bob?
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I don't know.
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People think I'm lying when I say I took a gun from somebody, Bob.
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I don't know.
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Well, it sounds unbelievable.
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I believe that he probably did, like maybe did do that.
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I don't really care.
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It doesn't really...
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I don't care.
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I do believe the part about him using overkill after he took someone's gun away conceivably.
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But the other stuff is all bullshit.
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Like you listen to like John Ronson's testimony about what happened at Bohemian Grove and
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Alex did make up a lot of that.
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Sure, he was there, but he's completely lying about everything in it.
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The Mayak Report is complete lies, like his coverage of it.
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It's absolute lies.
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So all this...
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Like every time he tries to defend himself and be like, I'm so real, everyone knows I'm
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real and here are the three things that I've lied about.
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It's weird.
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Weird.
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But I did tell the truth about murdering that guy one time.
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Maybe technically.
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I mean, self-defense, I guess.
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Here's the part that won't surprise you and it's gold sales time.
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This part, this actually is a little bit more distasteful than usual, I think.
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And you know, gold had two giant days of about $60 a yip side.
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And today it was off $2.80 or something like that, which is minuscule.
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And we'll probably have a soft day on Monday, but next week it's going higher.
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Well let me bring this up.
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It doesn't matter because Ted Anderson bought gold at $8.90 and is passing on the $70 plus
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dollar savings on the Franks and on the Sovereigns and other coins.
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Let's bring Ted Anderson in right now.
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How good of a deal is that, Bob Chapman, that he bought into gold when it was down at $8.90
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and now at $9.70 he's selling at the same price.
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We are selling out of too much gold.
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Oh right, this deal only lasts for the next 45 minutes.
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Man the phones.
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And not many people do this, Ted.
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It was a stroke of genius.
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Well that's what he always does.
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Ted Anderson.
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Yeah, I'm right here, Alex.
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I don't know about the stroke of genius because I think any dummy could figure out that if
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gold drops right now with what's going on in Washington, D.C.
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Alright, whatever.
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Sure.
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Yeah, man, I can't imagine anybody listening to this in a non-completely passive way, because
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I can understand if it's background noise and you don't realize it, but I can't imagine
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anyone listening to more than one episode of this show and not being like, oh my god,
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look at these guys running the scam.
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It's the Bob Chapman, Ted Anderson vignettes, I guess.
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Those little set pieces alone should be like, I can't trust these dudes.
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Even not knowing that Midas rips people off, even not knowing that, even not knowing that
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a couple years later than this, after this point, Ted Anderson will have his gold bullion
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license taken away for dishonest trading.
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Even not knowing those things, you just hear something like this and you're like, oh, this
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is a fucking setup.
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Bob Chapman is the guy who gets you into the three-card Monte game.
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Exactly.
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He's the one who wins a little bit and tells you, this game's easy.
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Oh man, I made 20 bucks just like that?
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Yeah.
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I saw where that bull was, alright, go ahead.
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It's so crazy to imagine that people could listen to this and not be like, I think they're
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trying to find marks.
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It is not.
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It is not crazy to me at all.
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It's sad.
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It is sad.
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How utterly believable it is to know that he scammed so many people.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a bummer.
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Well, it sounds like it's too good a deal to pass up.
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Are you saying it's going to go down tomorrow so I shouldn't buy it today?
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I should wait until Monday and then it'll go up again, right?
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Maybe.
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So I shouldn't buy today.
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By your own words, what you said, I should not buy gold right now.
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But Ted's got those prices locked in from earlier.
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Oh, okay.
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That's great.
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It's a stroke of genius.
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The other thing, too, is that I understand that the game is they're playing on fears
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of the economic collapse.
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So you buy the gold and it doesn't really matter how much it goes up because the dollar's
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going to collapse and then this will be worth, well, it's weight in gold, quite frankly.
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It'll be the king's currency and everyone else has stupid paper that's worth nothing.
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Yeah, you will have to take a bite at it to make sure it's real, though, like an old prospector.
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Absolutely.
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And I understand that that's the con that they're framing.
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That's what they're playing on in order to sell things, which makes it weirder that Bob
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is coming in with it was up 60 or whatever because that's not enough to matter for the
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kind of investors who are listening.
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The people who were listening probably couldn't afford an ounce of gold.
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And if you buy an ounce of gold for, what, 800 something dollars and it goes up 60, are
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you just going to sell it then and then you've made $60?
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I don't think the investment in gold doesn't make sense to his audience.
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No, it really doesn't, except for the fraud of the economic collapse, which is why that's
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the selling point that they use as opposed to like it being a smart investment.
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You can make a little bit of money.
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Well, and it's not just that, but it's also by preying upon his audience, which is not
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say billionaires by preying on these people, they are scrabbling
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together $800 to buy an ounce of gold for a couple of reasons.
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One, they think it's going to last forever and it's going to go up in cost and eventually
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it's going to be worth it.
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And two, it feels good to own a little bit of gold.
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I know.
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I think there's something to be said about owning something shiny.
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At the very least, you're like, oh, well, at least I've got this money invested.
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Yeah, there's something to that.
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I just think it's a deceitful, awful fraud.
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Oh, of course.
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Quite frankly.
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It's awful.
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There's no other word for it.
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It's disgusting.
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It's it's it's like it makes you feel like if you've ever had like a bunch of cash in
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your hand, you're like, oh, shit, I'm rich, even if it's nothing to, you know, all of
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these people.
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But the idea of holding eight hundred dollars in an ounce in your hand is very attractive
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to a lot of people.
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Maybe I would like to I would like to hold an ounce.
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I wouldn't want to buy it, but maybe 50 percent of the people at this table feel that way.
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I'd like to hold it for a little bit.
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All right.
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So moving on from Bob Chapman's shameful display here.
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Alex has another guest on the show that is very excited to talk about and talk with.
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Her name is Amy Allen and she is a musician.
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She wrote a song called Ron Paul.
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OK.
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The chorus is Ron Paul, the start of revolution about Ron Paul.
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All right.
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All right.
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It was I forgot about.
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She's the proto Taylor Swift is what you're saying.
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Yeah, sure.
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She was Taylor Swift before Taylor Swift was even born.
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She she I didn't remember this aspect of the past, but apparently during Ron Paul's two
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thousand eight campaign, she was that song was like a rallying thing.
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It was like a big anthem of his campaign, which it's probably pretty easy to do if you're
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Ron Paul supporter.
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Just write a song where you yell Ron Paul a bunch is probably going to sign off on it.
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Yeah, that actually sounds like a good idea.
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Now, there's some interesting elements of Amy Allen that I'm going to get into as we
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discuss her.
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But one thing, why is there interesting elements?
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Why can't it just be like she's a musician who wrote a song?
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Well, because Alex wants to talk about how she got beaten.
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Oh, no.
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She was the victim of an assault.
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And Alex wants to talk about that a lot.
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And I think it's not great.
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But also, I want to make clear before we get into any of this.
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I do believe that she was the victim of a crime.
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Yeah.
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And I'm not in any way minimizing that.
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And I'm not making fun of her for being attacked.
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I do believe that.
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I don't believe a lot of the window dressing that a lot of people, like Alex Jones and
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other folks, which we'll get into, have put onto that attack.
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I assume she's going to be exploited.
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A little bit, maybe.
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So here is the introduction to Amy, and you'll see how quickly Alex wants to talk about the
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attack.
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That's what they're trying to do.
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They're trying to claim we're a bunch of cop killers when there's no evidence of that.
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Because we're the real American people who want liberty, who want freedom, understand
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that we have a new world order taking over our nation.
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And they're very afraid of popular culture, further popularizing the message of liberty.
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And Amy Allen's gone a long way towards doing that.
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And she's here in Austin, Texas.
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Her South by Southwest will tell you about some of the shows that are coming up with
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her.
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But it's great to have you here in Austin, Texas with us.
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Thank you so much.
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Thanks for having me.
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Yeah.
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I'm excited about the movement that you're talking about still continuing.
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In Los Angeles, there was actually Fullerton, there was a tea party, and 15,000 people came
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out to protest the tax increases.
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And a lot of those people, 15,000 people shut down the streets a couple weeks ago, had campaign
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for liberty.
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Ron Paul should have been president signs.
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I mean, the campaign for liberty had a pass on all kinds of material, and we haven't given
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up the fight.
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It's still going.
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And folks from the campaign like Oath Keepers have spun off and are getting tens of thousands
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of police and military to go public and say, I'm not going to violate my oath.
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I'm not going to confiscate guns.
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I'm not going to put people in FEMA camps.
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I'm not going to go along with the Military Commissions Act to grab American citizens.
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There is a huge awakening.
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We have police sending us all these internal documents where they're trying to covertly
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demonize us, showing that the establishment is scared of the American people and knows
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that we have a chance of bringing the International Crime Syndicate to justice.
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Now, tell folks how you woke up to liberty, a little bit about yourself, and then Jason
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Burma's had you in a few nights ago on the Info Warrior show that he does from 9 to midnight
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out of the same studio.
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And I didn't know about this, that right after you were on my show, it looks like, this has
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happened to me, but they've been punching me and telling me, shut up, you know, don't
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talk about beating you with a crowbar and then not stealing anything.
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So it takes a minute and three seconds into talking with her in order to bring up this
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beating story, which is a little quick, I think, in an interview, possibly, unless that's
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all you want to talk about.
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Yeah.
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Now, when she brings up the Tea Party, you see he instantly goes to Oath Keepers.
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The only way he can talk about the Tea Party, the only way he can talk about the Tea Party
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is through the prism of Oath Keepers, because that's where he's at at this point.
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So that's interesting, because that sort of confirms some of the feelings we had on the
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last episode.
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But, like, listen, I'm not making this up.
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He really wants to talk about this beating a lot.
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You know, don't talk about beating you with a crowbar and then not stealing anything.
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It was very bizarre.
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It was very bizarre.
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It was three people, I mean, there's three of us, and they pushed my friend out of the
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way to target me, and there was two guys beating my head and face, and that's it.
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Just my mouth broke my jaw and beat me with a crowbar.
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Well, I can't see any of it.
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You still look extremely lovely.
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Thank you.
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That's the same as you did before.
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Why did you do that?
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Thank you.
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But they dumped out all of our purses.
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I was with two waitresses, so they had tons of cash.
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I had tons of cash.
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They dumped out our purses, telling them to take our money, and they kicked the money
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and laughed and walked away, and I thought that was bizarre.
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What do they look like?
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It's important how they were dressed when they looked at you.
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Oh, you don't need to...
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They were, you know, I think they were, I don't know, they were, you know, Mexican gang
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members.
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Probably most likely.
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So it was either the government or somebody hired them, or it was a gang initiation.
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Correct.
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Okay.
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Whoa, those are the only two options?
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I mean, there were three.
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Someone hired them, it was the government or a gang initiation.
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Okay.
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I thought it was...
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You can buy them those too.
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It was either the government or someone hired him, and okay.
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I don't know what happened here, obviously.
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I have no idea.
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I can only go based on her telling of the event and the way that people have used it.
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Quote, Amy broke the story today on the Alex Jones show online internet show.
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She says the police told her the attackers were most likely illegal and did little, if
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anything, to investigate the brutal attack.
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Amy was leaving a recording studio in downtown LA when three Hispanic thugs attacked her
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at random.
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They were actually looking for a white person to attack.
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I believe that Amy was the victim of an assault, and I think that's horrible.
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However, I take issue with all the assumptions people make about the situation.
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That blurb saying it was a racially motivated attack against her because she was a white
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woman?
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That was from Stormfraud.
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The Ron Paul forums and the New World Order people, their take on it was that Amy was
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told not to talk about revolution in her music, and she refused, so they sent a Latino hit
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squad to punish her.
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My problem with that is that her 2002 debut album was called I Would Start a Revolution
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If I Could Get Up in the Morning.
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The first single on the album was literally just titled Revolution, and it was produced
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by goddamn Randy Jackson and Mark Ronson.
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One of the tracks on the album featured an appearance by Pharaoh Monch, who was cool
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in 2002.
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He had it.
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Also, the attack happened in 2008, so six years after, she put out an album called I
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Would Start a Revolution If I Could Get Up in the Morning.
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These New World Order, Alex Jonesy types are putting out this idea that she was threatened
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because she wrote a song, or she was putting out music that had revolution in it, which
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is nonsense.
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It's absolute nonsense.
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It is absolutely using her as a prop.
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It's gross.
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Yep.
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It's really, really gross.
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I feel bad about it.
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Her album was produced by Mark Ronson?
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I don't know-
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I feel like I should know her if it was produced by Mark Ronson.
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I don't know if the whole album was, but tracks were produced by Mark and Randy Jackson.
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Randy Jackson apparently discovered her.
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I couldn't give less of a fuck about Randy Jackson.
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Have you ever seen him play with Journey?
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I have not seen him play with Journey.
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You played bass on Journey at some of their live shows.
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Really?
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In one of their videos, he has a bass that's shaped like a craps table.
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That is fun.
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It's awesome.
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Yeah.
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Now that's a forecaster right there.
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Absolutely.
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So I feel bad for her.
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I feel bad for her being in this situation where there is an entire world trying to galvanize
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race-based hatred or New World Order fear based on her being the victim of a crime.
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It really-
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I can't imagine any scenario.
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I can't imagine any historical scenario where a rabble-rousing group of white people would
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take the attack of a white woman and then turn it into a reason to demonize a population.
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That seems crazy, Dan.
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We haven't seen that since a couple months ago.
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When would we have ever seen that?
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This must have been the first time that a white woman was exploited in order to do harm
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to a larger community of minorities.
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That's crazy.
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It is a sick bummer and everyone loses, except for Alex.
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Right.
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I didn't even hear it in her voice when he was asking what these people looked like.
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She had a reticence to talk about it.
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Yeah.
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She really didn't want to say.
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Because I think there was a sense that she's like, what is going to come of me describing
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these people?
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Alex is probably going to say something off color or it could end up being reported on
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Stormfront as a race attack.
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I think she had some kind of awareness of it because I need to tell you, Amy Allen is
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not somebody who's unaware of these worlds.
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How did you wake up to the New World Order?
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Well, I was born and raised in Montana and so it's a little bit like Texas.
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Since I was a kid, you know, my family talked about wanting to secede from the union.
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So I was sort of raised with that.
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My mom talked about the New World Order.
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Al-Qaeda raised?
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Yeah.
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She told me, you know, as a small child, that there was going to be a one world currency
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one day and that we need to prepare.
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So I'm sort of always kind of known.
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So Amy Allen was born in 1982 and was raised in a separatist paranoid family.
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Wait, what?
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Oh, no.
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I thought you were about to say that you had done some research and she was raised in like
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a literal separatist group.
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Hold on.
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She was raised in a family that was paranoid about the New World Order and wanted to secede
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from the union in Montana.
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This is very telling as Montana, along with Idaho, was a hotbed of white nationalist separatist
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communities in the 1990s.
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The Montana free men engaged in an 81 day standoff with the FBI after the land where
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they would hold their mock trials was foreclosed upon.
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The militia of Montana was super active at the time and their ideology is shockingly
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similar to Alex's and the little glimpse that we get into Amy's family of origin.
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It would be impossible to make any definitive claim based on this little bit of info that
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we have, but the fact that Amy describes her mother's belief system this way, the timeline,
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and the fact that they were in an unspecified town in Montana leads me to believe there's
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a high likelihood that Amy grew up in a white nationalist militia.
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Again, I can't say this for sure, but those are some of the biggest signs possible.
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The 1990s Montana anti-government sentiment, fear of the New World Order, those are all
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those are red flags.
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Yeah.
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And we're talking about Montana.
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It's not like we're talking about Chicago where it's like, oh, she could be, you know,
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there's so many people, there are like 12 people live in Montana.
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Well, and the white nationalist militias really took hold in Montana and Idaho specifically
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and states around there.
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It is something that's very historically, you know, documented and you can look into
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it.
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I'm not saying that her family absolutely was part of that, but you can't come from
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a family like that and not be aware of it.
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It's pretty funny that their mock trial space got foreclosed upon.
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That's pretty funny.
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It's, oh, oh, oh, you're the master race?
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You can't even, can't even pay your bills, huh?
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Well, they could pay their bills, but they were doing it by writing bad checks.
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So that was kind of part of the problem.
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Ah, Christ, you white nationalists are too dumb to live.
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Yeah.
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The Montana Freedmen got in a lot of trouble for bank fraud because they would just write,
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they just write their own checks.
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Well, right, because they don't believe in your currency.
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Checks are your word and your bond, Dan.
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They're not supposed to represent real money.
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Yeah.
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So again, I want to make this totally clear lest it sound like I'm making some sort of
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an attack on her.
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I'm not saying anything about her based on what context clues I can glean from her family
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of origin.
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Right.
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I'm just saying that I don't believe in any way that someone who grew up in Montana in
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the nineties in a family that was afraid of the NWO doesn't have some awareness of white
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nationalist militias.
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Yeah.
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It's almost impossible.
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Which is why she had the instinctive.
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I think so.
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Reaction of like, I know what you're doing.
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Maybe.
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I feel like I need to tell the truth, but I kind of get.
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She is an Alex Jones fan, so like it's not like she's coming in and doesn't know what
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she's getting into.
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She loves his show and stuff like that.
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But I do think it's possible to live in a space where you are into Ron Paul and you
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do want to audit the Fed and maybe you're willingly blind to some of the other stuff.
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You just have the privilege involved in your life where you don't need to unpack a lot
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of what X, Y, or Z means.
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And so many people listened and were fans of Alex Jones in 2009 that didn't want a white
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nationalism to spread.
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You know, like it was a like, just like.
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Maybe not by that point, but earlier.
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Yeah, that might be.
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Yeah, but.
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There were a lot of liberals probably who, definitely who are more into it.
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It's a laugh, you know?
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It's hilarious.
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Yeah.
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Listen to this crazy man talk.
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The next clip is just her talking more about her mom, but it's kind of the same thing,
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except she says she was stockpiling food.
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So it doesn't really add anything to it.
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We'll get to this.
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Oh, did I just hear Steve Shank's walk on music?
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Hello, Shank here.
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Welcome to the Shank Tank.
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This next clip is something that tells me that Amy Allen maybe doesn't know her audience
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as well as she thinks she does.
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My plan is to do a tea party tour with the album.
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It's a lot of reggae.
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Tea party notoriously into reggae!
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I hear that that one track from Carrie Cassidy's album is opening.
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Huge.
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Huge in the 90s.
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No, this is 2009.
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I'm just kidding.
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She's...
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The tea party could not be less reggae adjacent.
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Nah.
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Nah, I'm gonna go with not huge fans of reggae.
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Yeah.
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I don't understand what he's saying.
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What is that?
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Is that words?
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It's using your mouth as an instrument.
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I don't...
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How do you do that?
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I gotta go.
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Okay.
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I gotta go.
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Alex, I can't say this any other way.
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He just keeps wanting to talk about the beating that she was the victim of.
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Well, you're doing a super good job evidenced by being physically attacked.
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I think that thing stinks to high heaven.
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How long did that knock you out of commission when they almost killed you?
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A long...
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Very long time.
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Couple months.
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So there's...
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I mean, there's other ways to, like, talk about this without...
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Which I think is highly suspect.
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Wait, wait.
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Why did you say that?
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That's not an interview.
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That's a leading...
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That's...
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That's making a narrative out of someone else's trauma.
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Yeah.
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And that's not fair.
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It's really ugly.
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Here's what I'm gonna do.
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I am going to tell you your story, and I want you to fill in the blanks.
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Right.
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Yuck.
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Yuck.
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So in this next clip, we're done with that for now, and Alex accidentally tells someone's
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dirty business.
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Some of their dirty laundry gets aired on Alex's show in a way that I don't think this
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person wants the public knowing about this.
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You know, you take Jesse Ventura, they gave him a $3 million a year contract for three
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years.
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$9 million.
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And with MSNBC.
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And then he wasn't thinking.
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As soon as he went in, they said, basically, you're not gonna cover anything you want.
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No anti-war.
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They had hired him right at the start of the war just to muzzle him, so he left with the
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money and went and surfed.
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And then now he's back because he can speak.
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The contract said he couldn't.
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Right.
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He couldn't do any media interviews.
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Couldn't write books.
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Selling your soul.
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Exactly.
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How dare you say that.
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He got his soul back and came to the public here in the year of 9-11 Truth.
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I think that, first of all, this isn't true.
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But second, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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So he signed a contract.
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Here's the story as I understand it.
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He signed a contract for $3 million a year.
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Right.
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Right.
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Showed up to his first day on the job.
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La, la, la.
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He has a little briefcase.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I'm so excited.
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It's my first day.
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It's my first day.
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I'm going off.
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I told my mom I was working on the TV.
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Right, right.
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And they were like, oh, no, now you need to understand what we're going to do here.
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You're going to say what we tell you to say, and you're going to cover what we tell you
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to cover.
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And if you go off script for even a moment, you are done.
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And so he was like, you know what?
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I'm not going to do this.
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Give me my money and I will go surf.
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He sold out the country for $9 million.
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I don't think contracts work like that where it's like, oh, I will just take all of my
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money for that contract right now.
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Also, please fucking consider that at this point he had been the mayor of Brooklyn Park,
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Minnesota for four years already before this, and he was the fucking governor of Minnesota.
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He had already served these terms.
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I think he would be savvy enough to be like, hold on in this contract.
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It says I can't say shit.
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He's already a super outspoken weirdo who was the voice of the WWF for a bit.
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He was a professional wrestler.
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You know how notoriously terrible professional wrestlers are at understanding contracts.
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He had he had had a massive career up till that point already in both, let's say, being
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an predator.
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I was in the brotherhood and he was in a bunch of movies.
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He had been a governor of a state.
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Oh, MSNBC, you got me.
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So if this is true, then that was intentional.
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He just wanted his money and go surfing beside the contract very willingly.
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I really feel like that's a breach of contract in some way.
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Also, I mean, yeah, you could actually look at his books, his bibliography, and you could
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say, oh, man, that timeline kind of works out because in 2002 he wrote a book called
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Jesse Ventura Tells It Like It Is, America's Most Outspoken Governor Speaks Out About Government.
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And then he didn't write another book until 2008.
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But that's six years, not three.
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So that's confusing.
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Also, it's hard to write a book, especially if you've already said, I guess, all all of
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your outspoken things in a book.
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It's really hard to name books, too, because in 2012, he wrote a book called Democrips
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and Robloblicans.
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Let me let me take another run at that one.
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Let me hear that one more time.
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Democrips and Roblodicans.
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Oh, OK.
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Yeah, I gotcha.
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I was so much happier when it was Republicans, Republicans that I like tough to name books.
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So best case scenario, signed off on that.
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It wasn't MSNBC.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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No, certainly not.
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Best case scenario, Jesse Ventura took nine million dollars in order to not speak out
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against a war that he's philosophically and principally against and ended up leading to
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tons and tons of civilian deaths.
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And so that makes him a coward.
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Worst case scenario, all this is a lie.
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Yeah, maybe that's the best case scenario.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, I don't think Jesse Ventura would appreciate Alex saying shit like this on air.
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It doesn't make him look good.
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No.
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Anyway, at this point, Amy is still in studio and they start taking some calls for her.
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And this first caller, this first caller is awesome.
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OK.
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So funny.
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Go ahead.
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Yeah.
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Sing anything about pro-guns, Amy.
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Anything about the gun culture?
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Anything like that?
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I do have a song on the record, actually, about about that.
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But yeah, I don't have a whole song about it, but, you know, all of my work is is part
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of me in it.
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So, yes, I believe in the gun culture is a big issue, Amy, right now in the small town
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of Versailles, Missouri.
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That's where David George Raleigh had their Power Hour show.
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Friend of mine told me last night he called me and said the teachers in Versailles School
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are teaching the kids that guns are bad and making them write essays on it in their class
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work now.
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And in their town, it's bad for them kids.
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Who are you?
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They had to go out and hunt.
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No, no.
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The public schools.
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When you put your children in school, you lose them.
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What?
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Who is this guy?
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I know this guy.
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Are we are we at a 7-Eleven and he just feels the need to talk?
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I know this guy.
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I'm not not literally.
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No, you know this.
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I've been to Versailles, Missouri.
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I've I've spent some time around the smaller towns in Missouri.
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I know this cat.
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They say so nice.
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They butchered a French word for it.
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Same with Avarz, Missouri.
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There's a lot of French names.
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I'm a big fan of Cairo, Missouri.
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Yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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There's a Paris.
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Anyway.
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Yeah, I know.
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I know this cat.
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I love the idea, though, of like, all right, there's a singer on.
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I'm going to call this.
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She has songs about guns.
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Hey, Amy, do you have any songs about guns?
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The gun culture.
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The gun culture.
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The gun culture.
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What gun culture?
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The gun culture is very important right now because I just got a report from a very credible
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source that in the Versailles schools, they're trying to get kids to think guns are bad.
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And if your dad hunts, you're bad.
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I know for a fact that that is not the case because I've been to Versailles and everybody
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there loves guns.
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Any place in Missouri, largely, any city that isn't Columbia, St. Louis, or Kansas City
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is going to be full of that guy.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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Also, that's such a bullshit paternalistic move of like, well, I'm going to ask you a
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question about what you do.
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Anyways, I hear that in schools, they're saying guns are bad.
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And we need you to write a song to help get the tide on the other direction.
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What a fucking asshole.
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We saw what you did with that Ron Paul song, got him elected.
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So they take another call and this is where the show spins out in a very weird direction.
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Hey, Pat.
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Do you want to say thank you to you and Amy for doing a good job, Patriots?
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Thank you.
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Well, she can read though.
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That's Susanne of Al-Qaeda.
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Very suspicious.
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Yeah, she looks as good as she sounds, too.
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Gross.
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What?
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Well, I just wanted to move on.
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I want to try to let you know about-
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So put the camera on her instead of me.
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Hold on.
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Yeah, over there.
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Go ahead.
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I want to let you know about Local Law A for Albany County.
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They're trying to sneak this through.
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It says they're regulating the purchase of ammunition.
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And what it is, when you start reading this, it's on albanycounty.com.
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Right on their website, you go to Local Law Legislature, and here I'm just going to read
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Section 5 real quick.
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A record shall be kept by the dealer of each sale of ammunition, which shall show the type,
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caliber, and quantity of ammunition sold, the name and address of the person receiving
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the fame, the caliber, make, model, manufacturer's name, and serial number of the firearm for
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which the purchaser is purchasing ammunition.
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Oh my God.
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Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
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I'm going to hold you over.
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Red alert, red alert.
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Call Paul Watson.
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Call Curt and I want to talk to them during the break.
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Call the people who can write.
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Call right ahead of everybody else, because our listeners give us all the tips, and you
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watch.
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We're going to go look at this.
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This is going to be real big.
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So he's like, this is why we are always way ahead of everything, because we've got these
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callers who have got the, the scoops.
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So if I understand correctly, he is mad because people are going to have to write down why
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he's buying ammunition.
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And there'll be a record of who bought ammunition.
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Yeah.
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You know, you know, a good record for like, if you see these people shot today using this
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type of gun.
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It would help in that investigation.
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We can go see who recently bought.
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There's that.
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Like, I mean, if you want to just take a, like a little step backwards here, because
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I know that everyone's very touchy about the idea of like any kind of regulation of guns
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leads to a registration and then they're going to take all our guns away.
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I'm fine with that.
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It's, I mean, I know that people can enjoy guns recreationally and you know, it's not
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an evil thing or scary or anything like that, but it is also a potential murder weapon.
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You know, it is.
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And like, if you really look at it, there are things like fertilizer that if you buy
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fertilizers that can be used in bombs, there's a registry.
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You have to register your fucking car.
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Sure.
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There's that too.
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But there's all sorts of things that haven't led to the nightmare scenarios that people
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like Alex put out into the world.
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You know, this idea of like, as soon as they ever record, they're going to take all of
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it.
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No one's taken anybody's fertilizer.
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No one's taken anybody's cars because of these, these rules that we put in place to mitigate
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danger.
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You can't even buy that much allergy medication.
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Nope.
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And that hasn't led to people taking away antihistamines or anything like that.
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Sudafed isn't gone.
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It's just better controlled because you can fucking make meth out of it.
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Yeah.
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So you can make a substance that can kill people out of it.
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Right.
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It's almost like we should know.
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I, I don't think that this is that crazy, this proposed law in Albany.
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No, this makes perfect sense.
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But we'll get, we'll get more into that here in a second because Alex just is, you can
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hear it there.
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He's freaking out.
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Yeah.
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Hold on.
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You already knew about this.
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What's that?
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Erma says he already knows.
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It makes sense.
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It's right.
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No.
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Oh my gosh.
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Schenectady.
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They announced the mayor of Marshall law and the feds come in and it turns out he's one
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of these special mayors of Obama.
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We confirm that with his own documents.
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Special mayors of Obama?
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Did you hear in the newscast earlier about Marshall law?
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What did Obama elect him?
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He's a slow.
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We got a few small cops we're going to bring troops in.
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No.
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Oh my God.
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They're supposed everywhere.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Oh my God.
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Okay.
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I've got to go.
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I got this right now.
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Oh my God.
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Oh my God.
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I'm coming.
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There's this Schenectady mayor.
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Oh my God.
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I'm coming.
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This is so good.
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Capital news nine out of Albany.
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Sure.
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Well sir.
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Where on the side is this new thing?
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You go albanycounty.com.
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Flash department.
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Last legislature.
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That's not how you get it.
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I need the name of the resolution.
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That'll take us right to it.
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What's the name of the resolution?
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Resolution one oh eight local law number a for 2009.
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Stay there.
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Give it to us during break.
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Mergens.
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Do you have trouble sleeping?
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Okay.
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Wipe out.
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That is, that is rough.
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It gets cut off in the middle of emergency by a hard break.
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All right.
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Do you have trouble?
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Um, so you can see there.
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You can hear the wheels turning in his head of like, oh my God, this, I could connect
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this to the Schenectady story.
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This is amazing.
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The propaganda alarm is going off.
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Yup.
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In this next clip, he formally combines them.
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Okay.
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I got Paul Watson right now online.
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This is going to go mega huge and alert gun owners to all the gun grabbing.
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We've documented a nexus point in this area of New York.
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The Albany county.com is especially crashed right now.
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We can't get on it.
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So Lister, if you have that page loaded, screenshotted an email to Rob D the letter D at info wars.com.
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Now give us the coordinates for this.
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And this ties into Albany, New York surrounding county.
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Shame.
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We want to have them federal martial law there.
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He, in that clip was 30 seconds long, said, I haven't read this, but if you can screenshot
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it, send it to me.
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Also, this is connected.
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Yep.
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This thing I don't know anything about, except for the little bit that this guy has said
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on air.
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This is connected.
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I have confirmed none of this.
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Yeah.
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It's nonsense.
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You need to email this to Rob D after I've reported the story.
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Right, right.
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What if it wasn't anything?
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What if the scholar was making it up?
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He's now reported that it's connected to this other lie.
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No, but it's spiritually right.
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So I don't have a lot to say about this law because from what I can tell, it didn't pass.
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And it was a local regulation that would be completely legal and not violate the Second
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Amendment, even if it did pass.
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All I really want to point out here is that Alex is absolutely not breaking this scoop.
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You can find an article about the proposed law that was posted on the NRA's website that
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uses the exact language this caller is using and links to the URL that he's trying to read
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to Alex on air.
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That post was from the morning of March 20, 2009.
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This isn't a scoop.
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It's just Alex picking up NRA's sloppy seconds.
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And perhaps most importantly, it has nothing to do with the story that Alex is misrepresenting
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out of Schenectady.
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Though the cities are about half an hour away by car in good traffic, they're not the same
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city.
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Schenectady is in Schenectady County, whereas Albany is in Albany County.
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So they're not even in the same county.
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You haven't proved a goddamn thing.
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I haven't, but neither has Alex.
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Alex hasn't even read anything.
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Oh, they're in different counties gerrymandering, Dan.
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They're the same city.
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He's just shooting off from the hip.
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Don't you remember what happened?
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The Obama, the special Obama mayor.
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Martial law and no bullets.
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Yeah.
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The special mayor of Obama took over Albany.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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That was, that was, it's in their own documents, Dan.
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In the documents.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex congratulates himself for a job well done.
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And everything we've ever talked about is now just being flaunted in our face.
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I have it registering anybody to buy bullets, keeping records of them.
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You don't.
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You literally don't.
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In upstate New York for total takeover and martial law, put the martial law headline
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up as they prepare martial law in that area.
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I will now be attacked by national news saying it doesn't exist even though it's mainstream
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news.
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Then next week they will announce it's all true, but Glenn Beck will say he's our friend
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and maybe it's needed.
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Right.
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And he gets that one little petty dig.
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Absolutely.
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Hell yeah.
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I like that.
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You're going to go do a tour with your reggae at the tea parties.
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Remember, Glenn Beck is not your friend.
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Glenn Beck is a bitch.
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Yeah.
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He's not Oathkeeper.
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I'm Oathkeeper.
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He's Tea Party.
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He's a square.
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So interestingly, what you have here is Alex Jones starting the broadcast by talking about
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how he's always right and everyone attacks him for being right all the time because the
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truth comes out and he was right all along, but he's up against that barbed wire and everyone's
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climbed over him.
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Now, towards the end of the show, he gets these two stories that he's juggling.
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Well, one of them he's juggling and then this other one gets introduced and he runs with
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it without reading anything about it.
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And that last clip is so self-satisfied, like I have now done my work and they will attack
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me and I will be proven right.
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It's almost like a perfect narrative arc.
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Like he set up the theme of the show at the beginning of I am unjustly demonized for being
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right all the time and now at the end here, he's demonstrated that he's right all the
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time and now I welcome the attacks that will come.
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Meanwhile, none of it's true.
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People mock me and they laugh and they say that I'm not a real journalist.
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What is journalism, but hearing a call, not getting any confirmation and reporting it's
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true.
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I actually named the clip, Alex congratulates himself for doing zero journalism.
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There's so many things that you should have done.
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You should have had Rob do call Schenectady.
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You should have had Rob do call or Jason Burmas.
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He knows the area.
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Have him call Albany, call the people who are listed in these press releases.
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Like it's not hard.
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That would be what you're doing if you're trying to report accurately and like even
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if you want to spin these yarns about like, oh, this is all a takeover, it's all there.
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What you do is you still call, they give you no comment, then you report that they gave
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you no comment.
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Exactly.
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That's what you do.
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And the fact that you called and reported and they gave no comment, that sounds suspicious
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to the people that you want to sound suspicious to.
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These fuckwits can't even do step one.
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It's crazy.
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That's awful.
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So that's where the show should end.
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Right.
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But after objectifying and victim and exploiting a victim of a crime.
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Well, that's just because she doesn't have a song about the gun culture.
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It should end there.
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You got any songs about how pretty you are?
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Oh boy.
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So your voice looks good.
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Fuck you.
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Alex has Jim Mars in studio after this and Jim's coming with some bullshit.
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There's a lot of nonsense, but I've chosen just two clips to end the show because I think
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they're demonstrative of how endemic this idea of not reading things and sort of wallowing
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around in ignorance, presenting and masquerading itself as wisdom is everywhere.
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All of these people in Alex Jones's world, no matter how credibly they present themselves
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are guilty of the exact same crimes.
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So here's the first one where he talks about Obama's national security director.
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Go over again the providence of that, where you got that specifically, where folks can
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find it.
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Well, I pointed this out and specifically the line he says, I'd take my daily orders
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from Henry Kissinger.
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This is Barack Obama's national security advisor, okay?
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And people said, oh, well, where'd that come from?
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That can't be true.
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So, you know, somebody that, you know, folks, it's right off the Council on Foreign Relations
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website.
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This is from the CFR.
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Yeah.
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If you up at the top, if you want to show that.
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So he's taking this quote here and I will say this.
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I do not care to defend Kissinger, nor would I presume to say that he didn't absolutely
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have more influence than I'm comfortable with him having, even after he left his formal
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positions in government.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, especially whenever he was orchestrating genocides.
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Now, that said, the shit that Jim Mars is saying here is complete bullshit.
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If you read the opening remarks from James Jones, you find that he says, quote, as the
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most recent national security advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from
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Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through the General Brent Scrowcraft and Sandy Berger, who is
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also here.
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We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.
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There's no indication from the transcript that he's speaking literally, or if that's
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just a little wink and nod kind of joke to open the speech.
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Even leaving that aside, it's important to consider what he's actually saying.
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Although Walt Rostro was technically the first national security director, many see Kissinger
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as the person who most defined what that position was.
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After him came Brent Scrowcraft.
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After him, well, actually came Zbigniew Brzezinski.
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But then...
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He didn't take orders from Zbigniew Brzezinski.
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He had all kinds of wild ideas about not killing people.
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But then Sandy Berger and then him.
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So like there is this idea of like, it's not, I don't think he's speaking literally about
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taking orders from them.
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I think he's talking about these are the people who have defined the position.
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They've set the precedence.
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They've given us guidance on what it is we do.
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Right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I don't think that, you know, I'm not naive enough to say that those people weren't
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in some way still in an advisory capacity working for folks.
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Right.
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Like it's pretty clear if you look at stuff, there are indications that like they help
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advise on who should be on the National Security Council, even after they aren't the director
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or anything like that.
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But I think it's a little bit of a stretch to say that this guy's speaking literally.
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Yeah.
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That, okay, so what happens is Kissinger says something, then he whispers in Brent Scrowcraft's
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ear, and then he goes and talks to Sandy Berger, who then tells me what to do.
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Right.
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The idea that he's saying it's filtered down through Scrowcraft and Berger, that's the
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language indicates to me the filtering down is the lineage of the position.
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It's not this literal thing.
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So Jim Mars, I don't think it's, like I understand what he wants to do here, and I'm not going
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to hate the player.
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I'm not going to hate, I'm not going to hate anything.
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I understand what you're doing, but you're demonstrating an inability to wrestle with
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context.
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Because also the rest of this speech that Jones gave at the CFR was about the idea that
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he wanted to help reshape the department.
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So there was a harkening to legacy at the beginning of it, speaking to ways that the
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modern challenges of the world are such that a different approach might be necessary.
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So there's kind of a thematic element to it that exists in the speech if you read it as
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a whole.
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You cannot ever use nuance when talking to these idiots.
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You can't do it.
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They just don't understand it.
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They can't read.
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They don't understand it.
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You can't use a metaphor.
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You can't even pretend to use a metaphor, otherwise Alex is going to say that the national
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media has confirmed it's true.
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Anyway, we have one more clip of Jim Mars, and this should show you kind of how he does
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his work.
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And people need to take a close look at this.
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And I'll be frank, I have not looked at it even this close, but I know just from what
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I've seen and by glancing over some of the paragraphs and some of the clauses in this
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proposed legislation, essentially it's going to mean you can't have a garden.
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OK, so like I glanced over legislation, you know, something that's notoriously easy to
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glance over.
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Legislation is never incredibly complex, legalistic bullshit language.
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Subsections referring to other subsections.
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Yeah, yeah, it's just something that you glance over, you see a couple of clauses and you
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say, well, they're trying to get rid of your fucking gardens.
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That makes sense.
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If they were trying to get rid of your gardens, they would just write a bill that gets rid
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of your gardens.
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It's irresponsible to come on a show that is so bad at this show and say something like
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you're like, I haven't read any of this, but suffice it to say, I've skimmed it and it
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looks like you can't have a garden.
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Like that's fucking stupid.
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That's a deep level of stupid.
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That's stupid.
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Now, the other thing, too, is like this needs to be very clear.
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When you engage with legislation like that and you make assumptions about what it's talking
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about, you end up wrong almost all the time.
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You can demonstrate this with Alex Jones's favorite subsection about chemtrails.
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The one that if you just read one piece of it sounds like, oh my God, this is going to
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allow testing on anybody as long as it's a research purpose.
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If you only skim it and you read that section of it, it looks that way.
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But you have to look at it as a whole because there's another part that says that section
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there that you're reading that's scary is subject to a subsection that says informed
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consent of all participants is required.
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So it does not work.
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There might be something in that legislation that sounds scary, but there's another thing
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that completely invalidates whatever fear you have.
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And that's almost always the case when I look into these things.
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All right.
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New proposal for a law.
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If you're going to cover legislation and claim that you're a journalist, you have to first
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go to college.
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I think Jim Morris has a degree.
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No, I mean, Alex.
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But then specifically, like, understand civics and then get like continuing education hours.
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You should have to have continuing education.
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If Alex's dad has to do that dentist shit.
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You have to.
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Yeah.
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You have to keep passing tests, proving that you understand the civics process.
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Civics is super important.
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And if you fail it, then you don't get to talk about it.
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And it's against the law.
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You get your journalism license revoked.
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Well, I mean, civics is super important for Alex's use, too, because like if his audience
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or even if he, while not lying, had an awareness of how bills are passed, what amendments mean
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and stuff like that, he couldn't spin most of the stories that he spends.
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Like these ideas that he has now that he's talking about, like, oh, if they succeed in
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suing me, the Sandy Hook families succeed in suing me, then the First Amendment's gone.
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It's like, ah, that doesn't work that way, man.
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Like anybody who has a basic understanding of how our government operates would hear
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that and be like...
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But you know what?
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I'm actually starting to think that that law isn't terrible.
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Like think about how easy that would make getting rid of Fox News, because if you have
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continuing education requirements for civics for these journalists, then you can prove
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they're lying about it.
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True.
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Because you can prove...
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You have no plausible deniability anymore of like, oh, they're just dumb.
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No, they're bad actors.
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Yeah, they're doing it in bad faith.
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You know that because they have had to pass a test about how civics actually fucking works.
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Because we already know that.
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Yeah.
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We just can't confirm.
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Exactly.
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100%.
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But now there's a law.
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Now there's a law that says, fine, let's regulate journalism.
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Let's get it passed in Albany.
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Yeah.
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And have Alex freak out about it.
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Schenectady.
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So that brings us to the end of this adventure, again, March 22nd.
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Not worth talking about, so that's off the table.
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But I really think, I wish that those Jim Marrs things that I think are important and
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demonstrative of how stupid everyone is and how fast and loose they are with details and
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how they just report shit that they don't even really know anything about.
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I think it's important, but I wish they weren't in there because there's such a satisfying
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arc to Alex's blowhardy, I'm the victim and I'm always right, to the end of the episode
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where he's completely misrepresenting two stories and saying they're connected.
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So Alex is just bad.
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He's bad at this.
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Anyway, we have a website.
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The thing that sticks out at me about that story that Amy was telling and the way Alex
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was using it, it reminded me so much of that, I bet no living black person has ever had
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to deal with as much racism as I have, or has ever been beat up as much as I have, that
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whole thing.
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No living black person has had as much racism applied to them as I have as a white person.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And that same idea of, I got it, this proves everything that I've ever thought about how
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I've always been.
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It is validating for him in some way that it's not for Amy.
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That's why he wants to talk about that.
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That's why he's excited to have her on the show.
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He doesn't care about her music except that Ron Paul song, and I'm sure he doesn't actually
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even like it.
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No, no.
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But the other thing that I need to make clear, I don't know if I did a good enough job about
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this, I read a bunch of interviews with Amy because I wanted more context.
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I wanted to understand what else...
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That crime was a big part of her career.
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She talks about how afterwards she really valued things differently and stuff like that.
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And in every interview that I can find with her, she doesn't talk about it being some
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sort of government hit.
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She doesn't talk about it being Mexican gang bangers or anything like that.
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All of that are details that come from this interview that have been extrapolated by Ron
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Paul Forum, Stormfront, all of these other places.
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That's not something that she talks about in interviews with music publications or any
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other interview that I've seen with her.
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So I don't think that she is on that tip.
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It doesn't seem that way.
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It seems like other people are putting that there for her, and that is a bummer because
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I don't...
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And that's just like that Venn diagram of all the things that they love, that they're
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coming for our women, they're animals, they're just attacking, they don't even want anything.
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It would make sense if they stole her money, but they didn't even do that.
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Like all of that stuff just all comes together to make this perfect storm of white guys justified
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in committing hate crimes.
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And meanwhile, their fear about they're coming for women while they repeatedly tell her how
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hot she is in a circumstance that that's not really relevant to why they're there.
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And at the same time, all these people create the perception of they are animals.
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Meanwhile, Alex literally said, I'm a vicious animal on the show, talking about beating
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some guys heading to the ground.
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So I don't know, Alex is full of shit.
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This is nonsense.
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We have a website.
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I hate him.
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I hate him.
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I hate him.
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I hate him.
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It's a mess.
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We do have a website.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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We are on social media networks, plural.
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That's true.
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Twitter, we're at knowledge underscore fight.
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We're on Facebook.
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We have a Facebook group.
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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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It's a lot of fun over there.
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You can hear us on the iTunes.
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That's correct.
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You can go to www.itunes.com.
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That's I-T-U-N-E-S dot com.
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That's right.
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That's it slash podcasts slash knowledge dash fight slash legislation slash Albany slash
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uh, we don't have time for that.
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Send me a screenshot.
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I will do that.
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All right.
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Um, you can leave.
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Actually, you can email it to Rob D at, uh, dot com, please fucking do love to talk to
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that dick.
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Oh, what an asshole.
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Uh, anyway, guys, this has been something or other, I will tell you this.
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I know who I know that Alex does not have any songs about the gun culture that he's
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recorded.
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No.
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And I know that, uh, he is a vicious animal and I'll tell you how I know because, uh,
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he probably technically killed a guy.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
