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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about
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That Boy, Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are.
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Which is not how I'm going to phrase it from now on.
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No, That Boy, Alex Jones?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Hm, alright.
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Yeah.
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I feel like it's a rap reference, but I'm not sure what to.
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I don't think it is.
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I feel like...
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Or it's just a general reference entirely.
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I really feel like it's a rap song I'm unaware of.
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For any situation where somebody says That Boy.
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That Boy.
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That Boy.
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Anyway.
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Alright.
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Alex Jones.
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Dan!
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That's what we talk about.
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Yep.
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Dan.
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Yep.
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What was the first time you went swimming?
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First time I went swimming, I actually remember this, I believe.
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I'm not sure as like a really young boy, but I have a very distinct memory of, uh, so I used to live in
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Cambridge, Massachusetts, back when my dad was at Harvard.
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Uh huh.
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And...
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Whoa!
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I know, dropping names, yeah.
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Fancy!
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Whoa!
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But I moved, we moved from there when I was about seven or so.
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So before that, we went to a pool.
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And I remember I was able to, the first time I was able to dunk my head underwater.
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It was only notable because my parents were proud, and we went to the Mass House of Pizza afterwards.
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Wait.
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As a little bit of a reward.
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Because you dunked your head?
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Because I was doing so well in my swimming program.
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Oh, you were in a swimming program?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So this had to have been before...
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I thought it was just like a random situation where you got into a pool and you put your head underwater,
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and your parents were like,
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Yeah! We're going to get pizza! Check this shit out!
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This kid got dunked! Let's go get food!
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Yeah!
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Um, I don't know, I think, yeah, so it had to be before seven.
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Uh, I don't know how much before seven though, because most of my life is kind of a blur,
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except for like weird specific memories like that one.
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Yeah, I know!
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Yeah.
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It's very strange or weird.
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I mostly only remember that, I think, because my parents had a Mass House of Pizza magnet
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on our fridge for years and years after that.
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And that memory was associated by them telling me that story about that from the magnet.
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But otherwise, I have, I don't know, I swam.
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I almost choked to death at a pool in Missouri once because I ate a hot dog.
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I swallowed too much of it.
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I tried to get my friend Matt to recognize that I was choking and he just sort of laughed at me.
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So I threw myself on a chair.
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Oh my god, that's a metaphor for your entire goddamn life, Dan.
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It really is, more than you know.
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That's brutal. That is brutal.
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Yeah.
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I nearly drowned.
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I was in Champaign, Illinois and I didn't know how to swim yet.
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And I slipped into the deep end and I was drowning.
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And then I grabbed my brother and climbed on top of him like Sylvester Stallone in Over the Top.
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And then he drowned.
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And then he drowned!
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I was the winner.
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Oh, congratulations.
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Thank you very much.
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And thus we are able to do this podcast.
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Yeah!
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Wherein I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones, Dan.
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So on our last episode, Jordan, I'd like to thank everybody for a lot of great feedback that we got from our last episode.
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We were in 2018 and we learned that Alex Jones is starting his new career as a mid-level distributor of a multi-level marketing scheme called Juness.
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Great start.
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So we're going to, you know, I don't know how much I really want to be in the present to look at that going forward.
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Yeah, that's harsh.
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But I think that today we have just as an important of an episode from 2009.
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We are back in the past.
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Very excited about what we're going to be going over today.
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But before we get to that.
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We have to acknowledge that this is like the third time on that episode that I have tried to figure out what the name of Legends of the Fall was.
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Is that right?
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I think it was, I swear to God, we've tried that before and it did not go well.
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I kind of feel like that's just our rhythm and it feels very familiar where I don't want to talk about whatever movie you're trying to bring up.
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So I intentionally say the wrong movie and in this case Fight Club.
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But it is possible that you've been trying to pull the name Legends of the Fall for years.
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It's possible that is a theme in our show.
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But before we talk about Legends of the Fall, we've got to give a shout out to a couple of new donors.
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I'm very excited.
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I think people are responding quite well to the idea of us having goals.
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I want to thank everybody who has joined up and say, hey, we're now almost 85% of the way to having to do another documentary.
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Oh no.
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No.
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Quit donating.
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Quit donating.
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He's the one who lives off of it.
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I don't need this.
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It may come sooner than we expect.
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So there's that.
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Please give us your suggestions of what documentary you'd like us to do.
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I'd rather not do the Obama deception, but any of the police state documentaries are up for grabs.
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Yeah.
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Any of that stuff.
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A nine hour day is going to be a rough one.
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Yeah, it may be.
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Another nine hour.
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But what is not rough is my feelings about our new sponsors, donors.
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Great transition.
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Thanks.
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To someone who has just joined up with the team, we thank you so much, Paul.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Paul.
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Thank you very much, Paul.
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Also, I'd like to give a shout out to someone who's been around and been a big booster of the show for quite a while.
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Very thrilled to have them on board.
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Thank you so much, Lucy.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much, Lucy.
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We appreciate it.
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Oh, so very much.
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And I would like to give a thank you to everyone who has sent me gifts on Pokemon Go.
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Thank you very much.
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We are now all good friends.
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And I've seen proof that you have a Charizard.
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I do.
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Very exciting.
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I do.
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It's a fantastic life.
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And then finally, I would like to give a shout out and thank you to someone who took their donation,
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bumped it up a little bit, and is thus a globalist.
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Thank you so much, Drew.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
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Thank you, Drew.
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Thank you very much, Drew.
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Yeah.
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So, Jordan, we're back in 2009, like I said.
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And today, hey, look, I want to be perfectly clear.
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Sure.
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Our last 2009 investigation episode, I said that, hey, I got sick and tired of listening
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to March 4th, 2009.
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Cut off halfway through.
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And boy, that was a big mistake.
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That was a big mistake.
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I will be the first to admit that that is a classic knowledge fight fuck up.
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Oh, okay.
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Perhaps the only time I've ever done that in the history of our show been like, look,
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I listen to the beginning, we'll get back to it.
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That's weird that the first time I did that, had I have not gone back and listened to the
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rest of the episode, we would have missed something massive.
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Yeah, the last time, or the few times you've done it before now, you've just been like,
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fuck this, and we've never gone back to it.
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No, but I've still listened to it.
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Oh, okay.
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I've still listened to the end of those episodes and been like, I was right to just chop it
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off there.
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Who gives a shit?
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This is the first time you've been wrong.
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Well, yeah, sure.
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Clock right once every twice a day.
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I mean, we can say that I was wrong, but I'm here to make amends and make things right
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by actually getting back to the March 4th and getting into what happened at the end
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of the show, because it's super important to our investigation.
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Then the rest of the episode will be about March 5th, 2009, where Alex does something
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wild that I think is going to be a lot of fun for everybody, except for his listeners.
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Not so fun for them.
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Not so fun for them.
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Super fun for Nick Cannon, though.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Okay.
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So here we're going to start with the March 4th.
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Alex, at the beginning of this episode, had referenced that he had a clip of George Soros
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admitting that he had crashed the price of oil intentionally.
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Right.
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At that point, I was like, fuck this.
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I looked into George Soros' comments about oil around this time, and we discussed that.
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How he's talking about the bubble that was created was largely due to over speculation
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about the price of oil and was advising people to work towards that bubble not bursting.
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Nothing to do with intentionally crashing the price of oil or anything like that.
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So I assumed that that was just going to be him saying, I have this clip.
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I didn't realize at the end of the episode he would actually play the clip.
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Oh, what?
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He doesn't do that.
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Because any time he plays the clip, it proves him wrong.
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Wouldn't you know that this is the exact same thing?
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Okay.
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Here is Alex playing the clip that he purports to say is George Soros admitting that he crashed
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the price of oil.
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See if you can get that from this clip.
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More importantly, see if you can figure out what actually is making Alex mad.
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Okay.
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Here is George Soros admitting that, oh, it's okay that oil is plunging.
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This is being used basically as a weapon to bring down the Arab states and other nations.
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Here it is.
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Bad bank efforts going on in the United States, but there's so much else to be discussed here
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because this is, after all, the world economic forum.
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Let's talk for a moment about the price of oil.
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What are the implications of $40 oil in your mind?
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Well, it's a sudden reversal of fortunes for the oil-producing countries.
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And in the Gulf states, you have quite a few bubbles popping.
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Dubai was probably the biggest real estate bubble in the world.
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And it's now bursting.
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However, it's not all bad news because the major oil-producing countries have been the
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enemies of the prevailing world order, Venezuela, Iran, Russia.
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And it's not so easy to finance a Bolivarian revolution with $40 oil.
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So I think Venezuela, Chavez, probably his days are numbered.
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And in Iran, I think that he's not going to last a year.
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I may be wrong, but I mean he's under considerable duress and his influence is going to decline.
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In Iran, Ahmadinejad is up for elections in 09.
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And unless he can provoke some incident, I think that he's liable to also be defeated
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and you may have a more reasonable regime.
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What about Russia?
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Now, Russia is more troubling because there, you see, Putin has been using oil for a number
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of reasons, to reestablish Russia's geopolitical influence, to enrich the rulers, to maintain
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themselves in power, and to bribe the rulers of the neighboring countries to gain control
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over their gas.
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But through the success, he was very popular.
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Not so easy now.
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Now, suddenly you have had a financial collapse, inflation, ruble falling, living standards
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falling, and there is a danger that he will be more adventurous trying to have some foreign
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adventure, Ukraine, whatever, to divert attention.
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I'm afraid we have to end it there.
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George Soros, I'd like to thank you very much.
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We didn't get to China, but we heard lots about Russia.
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That is George Soros live from Davos, the World Economic Forum.
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So that's the clip that Alex plays.
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And to my ears, that's mostly analysis.
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You could characterize that as economic geopolitical analysis based on what the price of oil is,
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the way that Putin was able to game the system, the way that places that are outside of the
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sphere of sort of what George Soros would call the world order, which scares Alex, but
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really is true.
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It also gives an editorial bent towards the analysis as well, saying that because oil
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has, whatever.
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Come back to the level it was before that hyperinflation.
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It has been regulated, or it's like come back to even.
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Normalized.
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Normalized.
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That's the word I was looking for.
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The countries who were relying on the oil speculation driving up the cost of oil, filling
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their coffers, had more money to invade and cause havoc and wreak havoc.
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Or to bribe leaders, as he's pointing out as it relates to Russia and Putin.
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And that makes it look to the people like they're doing a good job.
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Which is also something that we've already seen in our 2009 analysis when we were talking
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about when Russia shot off the gas that was going through Ukraine.
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And Alex said that that was Ukraine's fault.
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So we already have this, his analysis is, I don't particularly care to get into whether
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he's right or wrong or anything like that.
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That's secondary to any of my interests in this.
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I think it was two for three.
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Chavez did go down.
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Ahmadinejad didn't just yet.
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A little bit later.
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Yeah.
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Not too much longer, but not soon enough.
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Perhaps not in the time frame that he's predicting.
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And then Russia totally did some exploratory adventures.
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Some adventures in Ukraine, so to speak.
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So nowhere in that clip is he even indicating in any way that like, I crashed the price
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of oil.
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And he's saying that there are benefits to it that come from these regimes not being
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able to use the price of oil to their advantage, certainly.
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But that does not imply in any way that like, I did that shit.
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We did that.
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Oh, what up?
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We did it.
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And also, let's remember, along with Putin, Venezuela, Iran, Alex's dad lost a lot of
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money because of that, too.
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So you might have something personal going on there as well.
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I don't know if that's necessarily the piece of it.
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But it's interesting because he plays that clip and then he comes back to it a little
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bit later, and let's see what his analysis focuses on.
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Does it focus on Iran?
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Does it focus on Venezuela?
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Boy, I'm going to go with no.
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Now, remember, Lindsey Williams, months before they snuck attack Russia-controlled territory
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in Georgia since the early 90s, historically part of Russia, he said they're also going
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to start stuff with Russia.
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No one was even talking about that.
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That just came out of the clear blue one morning, but Lindsey was right.
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Oh, it so did not.
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I played that, Lindsey Williams, because I wanted to, you know, have you be able to comment
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before we get into the latest developments on why do you think the elite are now basically
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admitting everything that you were saying, but you said it before it was even announced
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or it even happened.
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Well, Alex, you have to understand, I'm just an ordinary, everyday guy.
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Who is this guy?
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Just like every other man every morning.
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Jesus.
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Well, I'm just an uncharted caveman, Lloyd.
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I had the privilege of living with the elite of the world for three years.
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As a result, I've kept in touch with some of them, and they have kept in touch with
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me sometimes over these past 35 years.
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They knew in advance, Alex, folks, I plead with you, everybody out in this audience today,
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I beg of you, please listen and believe every word Alex Jones is saying.
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He has tried to tell you for years.
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All right.
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So this is Lindsey Williams, the guy who is a absolute shill and a liar trying to pitch
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his DVDs that he sells, presenting this idea that he, because he was a chaplain at an
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oil derrick or something like that, he has inside information.
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We went over him a couple episodes ago.
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He is a scam artist that even the Infowars community on their message boards are like,
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stop having him on.
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Because also in that clip, clearly he has no idea what anybody was talking about, and
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he was just kind of rambling on just like, well, you know, I was around those people
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and all I can tell you is to listen to what Alex says.
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And believe every word of it.
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Because I don't know anything about it.
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But also that's what we see over and over again with the guests that have staying power.
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They butter Alex up and really flatter him.
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So he knows that part of the game and God bless him for it.
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But...
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Really?
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's strategically a good move for someone as a guest on his show.
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Right.
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No, no, no.
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I'm for that.
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So Alex's main analysis seems to be about Russia.
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It seems to be about how the 8808, the South Ossession and Abkhazian separatists that
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attacked Georgia, he's using that as like, hey, that was a sneak attack against Russian-held
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territories.
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It was ethnic cleansing against native Georgians.
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Used to be part of the Soviet Union.
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Right, right.
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So technically it still is.
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It always will be.
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Technically it still is.
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Right.
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You know?
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Much like Texas is a part of Mexico still.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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Remember the Alamo.
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His analysis of this and clearly what has set him off about Soros' comments, because
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it's not that he's saying that he did this, he crashed the price of oil, because that's
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nowhere in the clip.
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He's getting defensive about the idea that Soros is against Russia.
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Holy shit.
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Isn't this exactly what we predicted?
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I don't know.
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I still don't know if this is enough in terms of, like I'm not satisfied with the investigation
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of when does he start talking about Soros and shit like that, just to make a clear-cut
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case that this is it.
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Right.
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I still need to listen to a bit more to figure out like the ins and outs of it, because he's
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still not saying George Soros is a demon who runs everything.
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Right.
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But this does have the germination of a thought.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, this is pretty big.
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It's hard to, yeah, yeah.
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And the fact that it's connected to Russia very clearly means...
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And the fact that we know Russia is communicated with Alex Jones, not to the level that they
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would later.
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Well, we don't know that.
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We don't know the date on that.
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Oh, that's true.
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He has been an RT at this point in time, right?
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Yes, absolutely.
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So at the very least, we know that somebody is able to contact him.
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Yes.
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And perhaps if he were to, out of the blue, start criticizing George Soros, it's possible
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somebody may have listened to the show and been like, hey, we like it when you criticize
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George Soros.
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That was good stuff.
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Perhaps you should continue doing so.
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I mean, that's too speculative on our part, but it is possible.
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It's plausible, I would argue.
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Sure, sure.
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It has a certain narrative reality to it.
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Yeah.
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But we can't say for sure, although it is just fascinating that this is sort of where
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things - I mean, at least a prologue to him being anti-George Soros as a demon and
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stuff like that.
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So we move on now to the fifth.
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I think it's really important that I need to really just put a button on this.
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Soros didn't say in any way that they had anything to do with crashing the price of
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oil.
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Alex is absolutely saying that that clip proves that.
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Yeah, if it was on -
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It doesn't say that at all.
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If it was on fucking mad money, it would be the same analysis, but he would hit something
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with a bat.
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It would be the same shit.
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And also, that was very obvious stuff.
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Yeah.
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Like, oh, this country that was previously flush with cash is now in a depression, so
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the leaders who presumably are no longer popular might be kicked out.
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They're going to have a much more difficult time getting away with the things that they
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have been getting away with now that they don't have those oil revenues that came
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from a hyperinflated price point on oil.
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Yeah, that's good analysis, but it's not exactly, like, mind-blowing analysis.
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Also, the secondary aspect of it is the price of oil coming down means it's cheaper for
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people to buy gas for their cars.
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Why is Alex so invested in the price of oil being super high and therefore more expensive
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for Johnny Lunchpail?
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Dan.
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Dan.
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Dan.
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I know.
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He cares about the little man.
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I know.
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He cares about the middle class.
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We've got the strongest middle class in the place.
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It's very weird.
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So we move on to the fifth, and man, oh, man, Alex is coming in hot, hot on the fifth.
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I thought when I listened to the rest of the fourth, I was like, oh, shit.
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This is going to be the point where Alex brings in the already existing 10th Amendment narrative
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that he's been spreading for the last month of his show.
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He's going to now have this Soros crash to gas.
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It's going to sort of mutate into something.
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It's going to combine.
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The Tea Party is going on already.
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There's a lot of weirdos who are starting to come on Fox News.
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Glenn Beck is becoming a little bit more ascendant within that right wing community.
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I thought like, oh, I-
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You think he's going to zig in and said he's Oggs.
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I thought I saw like, okay, this is going to start.
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And so when he says this at the beginning-
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Fooled again, Dan.
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Maybe not.
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When he says this at the beginning of the show, I think that's where it's going.
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Usually every five, six months or so, I will say, prepare yourselves for this information.
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Fill your hands.
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Stop traffic.
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It is that important.
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I don't want this information I'm covering to be lost in the overall chatter of my coverage
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of the panoptagon or the pantheon or the panacea-
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Nope.
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None of those.
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The coracopia-
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Uh-uh.
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Of things happening in the world.
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Still no.
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Still, still somehow incorrect on all the stars you read.
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Normally it is every six months to a year that I come across something this big, this
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important, this insane, this out of control.
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Usually when I have a special-
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Because things are accelerating, like birth pains, they're getting closer and closer together.
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The last time we did this was January 27th of this year-
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1984.
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Well, just a month and eight, nine days ago.
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That was when he had the proof that FEMA camps were being created and they're going to try
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and shove you in them.
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Stop traffic.
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So that was the last time that he got all crazy.
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The reason that I kept that clip in as long as I did was because he's talking about the
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birth pains and things are accelerating and stuff like that.
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Right.
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That's exactly-
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So you're thinking Tea Party.
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But that's the same language that he used later with Trump, about the idea that time
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is accelerating, things are coming closer together, there's birth pains of this new
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patriot-
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This phoenix that shall rise from the ashes of the old republic.
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Exactly.
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So when he uses that language, I'm like, maybe that's compartmentalized in the part of his
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brain that is only for patriot resurgences.
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And he's starting to like, maybe this is it, maybe-
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White supremacist resurgences.
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Hold on.
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I was like, this is the Tea Party.
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It's gotta be, right?
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It's gotta be.
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Nope.
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Definitely not.
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So he moves along and he cucks out his own FEMA camp story in favor of promoting this
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story that he has for today.
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Now that said, this story that I said was a red alert a month ago-
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The FEMA camps.
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Is nothing.
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This story is nothing.
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Agreed.
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Nothing.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
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I'm gonna say that again.
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Nothing compared to what we're going to cover.
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Dumps like a truck.
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This is nothing.
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When I saw this story last night and then spent hours researching it and confirmed it
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was accurate, I had trouble sleeping.
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I basically became upset at my stomach.
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First of all, I love that-
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I became upset at my stomach?
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I love that phrase.
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That is a weird phrase.
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I am so mad at my stomach.
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I do not have an upset stomach.
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Instead, I am upset with the failures of my body.
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My stomach is out alive.
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Oh, that bastard!
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So much acid was produced-
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He does anthropomorphize everything.
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I'm somebody who can have, you know, maybe because I'm stupid, it's not because I'm tough.
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You're not going to have some MP threatening me, putting a 45 to my chest and I don't get
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upset.
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It's almost like I'm numb to things like that, but-
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But I ate that spicy chicken.
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My hands started sweating.
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I started sweating last night.
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My palms were sweating.
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I had sweat and my house was cold with the air conditioner on.
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It's already gotten warm here, and I was sweating over this.
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It sounds like you had a cold, man.
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I mean, the flu.
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It sounds like you got a bug or food poisoning, any of those things, because all of those
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things are symptoms of like a slight bug.
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I was sweating when it was cold inside.
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I was upset at my stomach.
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I couldn't sleep.
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All of that is just like, yeah, you ate some bad chicken or something like that.
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Yeah, how about Nyquil?
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Have you tried Nyquil?
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Sure.
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Or is this a quill?
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Was that out yet?
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What the-
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That one that just helps you sleep?
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I don't know.
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That Nyquil.
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That Nyquil that you're supposed to chug to go to bed, I think.
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Maybe I misinterpreted it.
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I call that whiskey, my friend.
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Indeed.
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Indeed.
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So, at this point, all we know is this is big news.
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It's huge news.
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And Alex-
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It is the FEMA camp where you're going to be forever.
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Forever.
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When the government comes down-
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And they're going to kill your family.
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They're going to kill your family and put you in the FEMA camp.
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Yes.
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That story?
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Nothing.
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Nothing.
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Right.
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I'm going to say it again.
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Dumps like a truck.
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Truck.
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Nothing.
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Dies like what?
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What?
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What?
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So what could be more important than you spending the rest of your life in a camp?
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Well, I would say the first thing is based on his tone and the fact that he said he couldn't
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sleep last night.
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I think he needs a nap.
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But then secondarily, he kind of teases what this is about as he goes out to break.
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Okay.
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Let me give you a hint what it is.
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You know, from all the little pieces of info I've got and knowing the enemy operation-
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Someone.
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Somewhere.
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I was able to peg 9-11, even the target months before.
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All right.
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All right.
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Well-
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I'm a child.
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I'm telling you, it's going to be bio-attack.
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Ooh.
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Oh, it's going to be bio-attack.
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It's going to be a bio-attack.
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Okay.
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So I mean-
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Was this right around when BioShock 2 came out?
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It might've been.
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Yeah.
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So in terms of him pegging 9-11-
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Like it was a Reagan.
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He gets so much mileage out of the fact that he said that they're going to attack the Twin
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Towers.
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It's going to be Bin Laden.
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But all those pieces were like- He wasn't nearly the only person who said that.
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No, I believe-
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That was a very popular prediction.
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I believe the biggest person who said that was-
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Alex Jones.
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Osama Bin Laden.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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He did say that.
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Remember when he said that?
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A bunch of times.
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Yeah, it was kind of a thing for him.
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Yeah.
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But I mean, it's one of those things like I can't take away from Alex that he did say
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that in advance, but I can take away that it means anything that he said that in advance.
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Or that he has some kind of secret information.
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So I don't give him a lot of credit for that, and I'm going to give him a lot less credit
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as we get into this bio-attack thing.
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So the bio-attack is the big news.
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Bio-attack?
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Bio-attack.
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What kind?
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I don't want-
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Like disease?
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No, I'm not going to get into it just yet because Alex takes for fucking ever to get
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to the story, and I want to recreate that experience for our listeners.
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You son of a bitch.
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I want them to-
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I want to torture them the way I was tortured.
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Not so much that.
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I want them to feel the frustration with Alex that if you're listening to his show, we're
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already a couple commercial breaks in, and all he said is, this is big news.
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FEMA campsite got shit on this.
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And then as he's going out to break, it's a bio-attack.
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But you think that when he comes back from break, he'll be like, all right, here's exactly
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what I'm talking about.
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Right.
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Sorry I scared you by going out to break saying it's a bio-attack.
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But instead he doesn't.
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Because you know what we love to do on our show is make our listeners frustrated.
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But they know that we will get to it eventually.
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Whereas you don't know if Alex is.
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That's a good point.
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That's true.
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You're a fucking boat in open water when you're listening to Alex.
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Yeah, he might just say it's a bio-attack and then never speak about it again.
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Right.
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Like he kind of does.
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What?
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Listen to this shit.
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But I'll tell you right now that the news I've got in front of me, I should probably
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just suspend all the guests today and not even get into the economy.
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Cancel the guests.
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Because it doesn't respect information of this magnitude.
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You've got to respect this news.
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Do you?
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To just mention it and then move on.
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You know, when we do that, when we focus on something like this but then just move on,
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we become acclimated to accept it.
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They're acclimating us right now with over 100 mainstream news articles a day.
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You can go to Google News and type New World Order in, there'll be over 100 news a day.
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Alex, stretch.
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Stretch.
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We don't have the PowerPoint up yet.
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It's in the thousands and thousands now, the last few months.
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World government's good.
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World government will save you.
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New global currency.
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New Amero.
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North American Union is the answer.
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The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, Time Magazine, New York Times, everything, everything.
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They are in a full-court press.
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You want the economy to get better?
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A world government run by the bankers.
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Just the asinine, over the topness of it all.
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And we're all becoming conditioned.
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You know, now I see 100 articles plus a day, Rothchilds and Rockefeller saying the world
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government is now here, we're going to carbon tax everything you do.
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And I'm so conditioned to it now, and I've known about it so long and covered it so long
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that now that we're being, I've been proven completely right, and it's all right out in
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the open.
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What about groceries?
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I'm just sitting here, we're all just sitting here going, okay, there it is.
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And meanwhile, our detractors on radio and TV and on the websites and on the blogs and
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podcasts, they just keep calling us tin foil hat heads and saying there's no global bank,
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there's no New World Order, none of this is happening, everything's fine.
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And of course, a lot of them are paid bloggers, that's been admitted, but many more aren't.
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It's just a mentally ill, very, very sick society.
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Large sectors of our economy and society and socioeconomic development, everything, spiritually,
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are just really sick, evil people.
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So should they be paid by a biotech?
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The majority that is half decent people aren't engaged, aren't informed, aren't involved.
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What are you talking about?
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When they tell a story of this magnitude, people don't respect it, and it only takes
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him 45 minutes to get that very short point out.
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I'm so great and people lie about me in blogs, most of them are paid, but most people are
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good, some people aren't good.
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Most people are spiritually unenga...
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What the fuck?
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You said you were going to cancel guests.
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Yeah, it's a biotech.
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He said he's going to cancel guests because he's got to get to this news that it does
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disrespect to the news.
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Yeah, but you have to preemptively defend against your news, Dan.
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This is such shit.
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Take that two minutes, and plus, this goes on quite a while.
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Oh, I assume so.
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Take that time, give it to a fucking guest.
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Preferably one who knows about biotechs.
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Or do what you said you were going to do and get to the fucking news already.
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You could.
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Because this is getting painful.
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Dude, four hours of show.
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Come on.
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So now in this next clip...
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There's a lot in four hours.
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It's a little bit threatening here.
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Most of you listening right now to this show, if we don't turn this around, are dead.
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You understand?
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I'm dead.
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You're dead.
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Our children are probably going to die or not have parents.
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What else?
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And when it comes and when it happens, many of you that were laughing and giggling, you're
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finally going to freak out.
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That's me.
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You're going to run off and beg for the vaccine or whatever they've got for you.
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And the first bioweapon they release, and this is the big news story.
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What about foxes?
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The first bioweapon they release in the next phase will be isolated.
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It'll kill 100,000 or so.
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And then they'll teach you how to go under biohazard control and how to lock down cities
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and that they're the boss and they know best.
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We've all got a thumb scan to buy and sell to stop it from happening.
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And then the next one, as they beta test it, will kill a couple million.
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And then it'll lock things down even more.
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And then the next one will kill two billion people.
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And they'll totally lock down society to a level unimaginable, and you won't care if
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you're never being drug often arrested.
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All you care about is that you get the proper vaccines to protect you from the progenian
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Zyklon 12.
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Watch your say Zyklon.
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Or whatever they engineered.
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What's progenian mean?
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Watch your say Zyklon.
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And then of course they'll finally kill you too.
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That's their stated plan.
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And when I saw the reports I'm about to cover when we come back from break, and I read them,
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it was stunning.
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The room almost wheeled around me.
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Again, I think you got the flu.
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I think you got a bug, Alex.
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He's got a slight vertigo at least.
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Oh man, another symptom.
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This is like when he said he had a six hour dream that lasted forever and he could see
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the fucking future and everything and he's like, oh man, I had this bug, but I'll tell
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you what.
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I had this bug, this bug was information, Dan.
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I happened to be reading something.
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I had the flu-formation.
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Right.
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So still no real details about what this story is, but thankfully he's promised he's going
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to read it on the other side of this commercial break.
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Of course he is.
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So he goes to break and he comes back, oh no, no, I'm sorry.
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He's still rambling a bit before he goes to commercial and this is where he gets caught
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by a hard out from the commercial and does not get, this is frustrating.
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The balance of this hour, I am going to break down the most important story I have ever
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covered on this radio show.
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It is more important than when I went on air and said, they're going to blow up the World
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Trade Centers and probably blame it on their asset, bin Laden.
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They're going to do it the next two months, call the White House, tell them don't do it.
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July 25th and did it for two months straight until the enemy carried out the operation.
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This dwarfs that.
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You see, 9-11 was only carried out to set the stage for the police state to suppress
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the general population as they financially bankrupt you in preparation to use the bio
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weapons.
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Got to go to break.
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So this is the most important story of his career.
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This is what?
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This is 10 9-11s?
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Probably yeah.
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This is 9,110?
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In a global 9-11 too, like it's a bioweapon attack that's going to kill billions, maybe
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millions, maybe not.
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But the first one's only going to kill a few thousand, right?
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Right, right, right, right.
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So we don't need to worry about the first one.
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Spoiler alert, this one killed zero, what he's going to talk about.
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But.
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Oh, bird flu.
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Bingo.
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Wait, for real?
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He's talking about bird flu?
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You betcha.
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Bird flu, well, so, so here's what happened.
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This is one to one.
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What happened?
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He got a flu and you decided that flu was a bio weapon.
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Well, it's, or he, he was inspired by having the flu to be like, well, obviously that's
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how they're going to kill everybody.
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I had the flu.
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I could have died last night.
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There's a decent chance that there's something to that.
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We can't, I don't have medical records on Alex, so we can't prove it.
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Although his description of his symptoms do lead one to suggest that possibly he's suffering
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from a bug of some sort.
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But the issue is that there was also a new story that had come out a couple, a little
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bit before this, that sort of feeds into Alex's flu fears.
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And he's going to make a disgraceful propaganda effort out of it.
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I will be able to, over the course of this, trace where he's getting all of this information
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from.
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This is one of the places he says it's coming from.
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And this is, this is so bad.
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This is like, this is Alex at his worst.
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Okay.
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We've already seen him build this up.
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This is the most important story I have ever come on air and told you about.
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Right.
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And when we get to...
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Well, right behind swine flu, that's, that's slightly larger.
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When we get to the bottom of this, it will be a terrible embarrassment, but it's important
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that he comes back from break and he finally gets to the story.
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And it's interesting where he's reading it from.
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Okay.
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What I'm going to do is I'm just going to read this news article.
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Then I'm going to come back and go through all the points and why this is so serious
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and connect it to other background information to make it crystal clear.
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This is by Paul Watson.
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He wrote it this morning, did a great job.
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I contacted him and Kurt last night and they got all this posted this morning, accidental
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contamination of vaccines with live avian flu virus, virtually impossible.
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That's what government officials and top vaccine scientists are saying.
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So who you don't believe in?
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Well, certainly there's that issue, but put that aside for a second.
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Okay.
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Because the big news, he's reading this article, this news article that was written by Paul
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Joseph Watson on prison planet and Alex told him to write it.
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So the nature of this big story, you're reporting on your own shit.
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You know what I'm saying?
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This is not good.
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That's bad number one.
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Right.
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Well, he also had diarrhea that night.
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Now we will get to what Paul Joseph Watson is reporting on in a little bit, but suffice
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it to say it's not the news.
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Anyway, as we get through this, we will see little claims that Alex makes and they're
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really, really troubling.
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I think one of the things that disappoints me so much is every time he introduces a story
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with Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about it, I'm like, fucking Christ, why are we doing
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this?
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I don't even want to tertiary hear Paul Joseph Watson write.
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So I guess what I should do up top is kind of give you the reality of the story that
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he's telling.
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So there was an issue of what I would describe as gross mismanagement at a Czech plant where
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a company called Baxter Pharmaceuticals, Baxter International, they farmed out some of their
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work in terms of flu vaccines to this Czech plant.
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And a bunch of Czech pigeons, a bunch of pigeons showed up.
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They knocked all the vials of flu on the floor, got the flu, and that's where bird flu came
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from.
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No, no.
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Okay.
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This Czech company called BioTest was also involved in H5N1 avian flu research and it
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appears that they were responsible for a mix up that happened at this Czech lab, not Baxter
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International.
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Quote, our company sent a clean flu virus to the Czech company BioTest for research
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and it was replaced by a bird flu virus, a replacement of the test material, says Baxter's
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Richard Tischler.
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But the problem is slightly more complicated even than that.
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The origination of the contamination wasn't even necessarily BioTest's fault.
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As it turns out, it all traces back to an Austrian company called AVR Green Hills who
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had hired out a BioTest lab.
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Quote, the contamination has only occurred during the process for which this particular
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research project for AVR Green Hills in Baxter's laboratory and this specific process will
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not be repeated.
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Oh, so they rented it out for like a staff birthday party.
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Sure.
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I mean, if you want to go that far with it, yeah, whatever.
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This is kind of complicated, so I'm a little up in my head about laying out the exact details.
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Right, right, right.
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I get it.
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I get it.
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But suffice it to say, there was this AVR Green Hills that was running a test that involved
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avian bird flu at this facility that was overseen by BioTest.
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BioTest was also doing some work for Baxter International.
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Baxter International had sent flu vaccine to this BioTest lab where AVR Green Hills
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was also doing research on the bird flu stuff.
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They had some sort of a mishandling mix-up of some sort.
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It's unclear exactly what happened.
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The working theory, as I understand it, is that there were some samples of the avian
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flu, H5N1, that were unlabeled and ended up commingling with the other stuff that was
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the clean sample that had come.
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This is like the plot of every 50s movie where something turns giant.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's the plot of every 50s movie where it's like, the giant woman, they went to one lab
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and then she exploded.
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It has great potential to have gone way worse than it did.
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But fortunately there are some protocols in place that end up catching things like this,
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which it did.
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The samples that ended up being tainted, they were...
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So what they do is they test them on ferrets, which is, you know, it makes us feel very
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uncomfortable obviously because it's like, oh man, poor ferrets.
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But they tested on the ferrets and they're supposed to not have a terrible reaction to
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it.
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And that's how they know that it's not a tainted virus.
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So if they have a terrible reaction to it, then we can use that as control and it's like,
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holy shit, something's fucked up.
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And so that's what happened.
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They tested it on the ferrets.
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The ferrets showed a negative reaction and they ended up having to kill the ferrets because
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they tested the blood of the ferrets and found out, oh shit, there's bird flu here.
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And so the samples had already been shipped out to a couple locations from this Czech
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lab.
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And so they ended up finding it in these places.
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No one ended up getting sick from it.
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The employees of the labs got Tamiflu, whatever inoculation they needed.
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They were quarantined.
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Everything was fine.
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So it all got resolved.
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So this was less destructive than when like a grocery store has to recall lettuce.
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Yes, yes.
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But it has such scary potential because the idea that the avian flu, which is not really
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all that harmful to people, largely because from what I understand, the nose, we're not
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birds.
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The nose of the human is too cold for it to incubate and generally speaking, it dies before
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it ever makes its way into your system.
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That's interesting.
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That's from an article I read in some scientific journal I don't know entirely, but humans
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for the most part are not susceptible to avian flu and it's not airborne.
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So the idea that it could commingle and mutate with the normal flu, which is airborne, is
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a really scary possibility because the avian flu is much more dangerous for people.
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It has a much higher mortality rate.
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Were it to mingle with a regular flu virus that can survive in your nose.
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But it would need to incubate within a person in order for that to happen.
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So it's the plot of Outbreak.
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Right.
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But the idea is there and Alex is able to trade on the fears that that idea causes,
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but he is not dealing with the reality of the situation that actually happened.
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I have done way more research into this than I need to and it's very complicated and I
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pray to God I'm able to explain all of this.
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Good luck.
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Because it will firmly demonstrate what a propagandist and liar Alex Jones is.
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And I'll be interrupting you with jokes the whole time.
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Fair enough.
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So here's Alex getting into it.
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He's not going to get into the actual story just yet, but he's going to, I don't know,
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try and make you scared.
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Now this is a strain of bird flu that kills 60 to 90 percent of humans it comes in contact
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with.
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Not true.
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That is not true.
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Because where would you get that?
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Well because there are, it can kill 60 percent of the people that get it, but you can come
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in contact with it and not get it quite easily.
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He's trying to mix the idea of being exposed to it and having it invade your system or
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whatever.
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You know what I mean?
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I don't trust you because I think you might have bird flu.
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I don't.
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But I do know someone who did.
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You're doing bird flu propaganda in order to keep me here.
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I do know someone who had a bird flu.
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Oh do you?
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Yep.
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They survived.
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But it is very dangerous if you get it, but you can come in contact with it and not get
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it.
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Alex is trying to muddy the waters of just how dangerous bird flu is, which seems not
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great.
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So now here's his next lie.
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They gave it to ferrets and it killed all of them deader than a hammer.
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That is not true.
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They killed the ferrets.
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They ended up killing the ferrets when they found that they had been exposed to avian
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flu.
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The flu itself did not kill them.
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Did it have killed them?
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Yeah a lot of them it would have probably.
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So because we saw that they had the symptoms, we know that they got the bird flu and because
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the bird flu has a 60 to 90 percent death rate on the things that get it, they decided
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to euthanize all of them, not least of which to keep them from just suffering.
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There's a euthanasia aspect of it and then beyond that it's just a situation where you
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don't want to run the risk.
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Yeah and it's a safety precaution and all that stuff.
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I'm trying to make it less awful that they're testing it on ferrets.
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But it's also in fucking like Eastern Europe.
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So like life is cheap.
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They test it on everything.
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Especially of ferrets.
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Yeah.
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And we're going to get into a little bit the reality of what's going on here is an expression
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of a very lacking state guidelines.
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There's a very serious lack in the Czech Republic of rules and strict guidelines with which
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these materials are handled.
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And that is why.
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I feel like that should be important.
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That is why the situation happened.
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It's not because of some nefarious attempt to create a super virus or anything like that.
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It is a lack of oversight and a lack of regulation that caused this.
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And I know that because I've read the investigation about this.
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So it's a comedy of errors to some extent.
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Yeah.
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It's less comedic.
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But yes.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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So this is a story that broke in at the end of February.
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And we're now on March 5th.
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Alex is going to say how important this is and then get very mad about it.
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And he's going to lie again.
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All right.
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We're back live.
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Let's get straight into the most important article.
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And I've never said this before.
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This is the most important article.
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The pieces of the puzzle, the tumblers falling in place that I've ever covered.
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This story itself.
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I'm going to cover many articles.
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No, you're not.
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Headline, accidental contamination of vaccine with live avian flu virus.
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Accidental.
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Virtually impossible.
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Real quick.
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That accidental is in quotes.
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And that's the name of Paul Joseph Watson's article.
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So he's he's not pronouncing the quotes.
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But hold on.
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This is in Canadian papers like the Toronto Sun.
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It's in British.
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It's in German.
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It's in Czech.
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It's in Russian.
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It's in Japanese.
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It's in Chinese.
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English papers as well.
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Name four more languages.
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This story has been out for more than 24 hours.
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I learned of it last night and nothing in the United States.
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It's been out way more than 24 hours.
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And there was an article on February 24th about it in Bloomberg.
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So it's been out for a couple of weeks.
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And Alex is well, maybe a week.
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But Alex is lying.
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There's nothing about it in the American press.
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It's in fucking Bloomberg.
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I read the article.
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You can find it.
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So he's trying to create this idea that people are covering things up.
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They're not.
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You didn't know about it.
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You're operating on bad information.
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So in this next clip, he starts trying to read the actual article.
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And he doesn't make it far before he starts literally making things up.
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Like any time we hear him read.
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He's just making shit up at the end of this.
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Accidental contamination of vaccine with live avian flu virus.
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Pretty impossible.
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And they were shipping this out.
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But a subcontractor did due diligence because so many times they don't irradiate the regular
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flu vaccine.
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Right.
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And it hurts people that they tested it on ferrets as they're supposed to do.
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And if they haven't radiated it right, it makes the ferrets sick and they send it back.
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Well, guess what?
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It killed the ferrets.
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And so they tested the vaccine and it had bio weapon in it, bio weapon.
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So the issue here is that like vaccines don't need to be irradiated necessarily.
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That is one method of handling them.
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But it's not it's not some sort of like they weren't irradiated.
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You can refrigerate virus vaccines.
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That is one technique that people use.
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You can heat them or you can use chemicals in order to make them usable as a vaccine.
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Some processes do involve irradiation, but absolutely, it's not the only way that things
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are used.
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I don't see any information from the primary sources that Alex is pretending to get the
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information from that indicate that this was a lab that specifically used irradiation.
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So I don't know about that, but he's trying to make a much bigger deal out of this.
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And the fact that he's saying that it killed all the ferrets leads me to believe that he
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doesn't have a handle on the actual information because he just keeps going back to that one
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piece of information.
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My advice, if you're going to eat them, you're going to want to definitely freeze dry them
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before.
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Like if you're going to wait a couple of weeks, it's it's just like chicken.
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You know?
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Sure.
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You don't want it.
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You don't want to leave it in the fridge for a couple of weeks.
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It's going to go bad.
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A couple of days it'll go bad.
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Yeah.
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You vacuum seal it.
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You put it in the freezer.
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That's my advice.
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Irradiate that chicken.
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I don't know if I would go that far.
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So now Alex gets to where he's getting his information from.
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And this is deeply, deeply problematic.
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Czech papers question, whether contaminated Baxter vaccine was attempt to provoke pandemic
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mainstream national papers in the Czech Republic.
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You want to go read these stories?
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They're all linked here up on info wars.com and prison planet.com.
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It sounds like I wrote them.
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They're saying there's no way this is on purpose.
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What on earth is going on?
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So mainstream news is saying this and it sounds like Alex wrote it.
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Yeah.
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So that makes perfect sense.
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I went and I found all the Czech news sources.
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Yeah.
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The way I was able to find them is by reading Paul Joseph Watson's article and finding where
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he links to the Czech mainstream news sources.
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Okay.
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He doesn't.
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That seems he claims to be so odd.
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That seems so odd for him to not link to them.
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He claims to.
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He cites his sources.
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He does cite the sources as these mainstream Czech news places.
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Yeah.
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Now the link that he uses takes you to a blog post on a website called 9-11 blogger.
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What does he blog about?
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9-11.
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So now 9-11 blogger purports to have excerpts of the translation from the Czech news articles.
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Now I went to the Czech news articles that he's claiming to source and they don't say
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what he's saying.
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I got these articles translated.
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I got a pretty good handle on what they're saying and it does not match what 9-11 blogger
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is saying.
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It sounds like 9-11 blogger could have been written by Alex Jones.
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More or less.
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Yeah.
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So now but you have an interesting issue that's at play and I think that this plagues all
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of Alex Jones' journalism is there are these Czech news articles.
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They're being interpreted by 9-11 blogger, right?
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Right.
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Who's saying that that's what these articles say.
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Who we can trust.
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If he's 9-11 blogger.
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Bless you.
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He's coming with some truth into your twin towers of ignorance.
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So the 9-11 blogger purports to translate these Czech articles and then also editorializes
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like crazy.
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Huh.
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So then Paul Joseph Watson writes an article based on 9-11 blogger's interpretation of
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these Czech news stories and also doesn't make clear when he's quoting the editorializing
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of 9-11 blogger and when he's talking about the purported translation from the Czech.
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Now a further third step is Alex Jones editorializing about Paul Joseph Watson's interpretation
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of the editorializing that 9-11 blogger did of the Czech news sources.
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This is a crazy game of telephone.
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If I've ever played a game of telephone, there's one thing I know.
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Right.
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It is that it is boring because everybody always hears the same thing.
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Exactly.
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It's never funny at the end when someone is like, that's not at all what I said.
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So I went to the Czech news sources and what I found is more or less what I laid out at
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the beginning of this, that Biotest is the company that is most responsible for this
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fuck up of running this lab where AVIS Green Hills and Baxter International had interest
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in like, you know, they're farming, Baxter is farming out some of their work to this
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Biotest lab and AVIS Green Hills is also doing research at this lab and somehow Biotest is
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mostly responsible for the fuck up.
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That's what I was able to glean from these Czech news sources.
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Now if you read 9-11 blogger dot com, it's very clear that what he, I'm guessing it's
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a he, I shouldn't gender, they are saying it doesn't jibe with that.
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Here's the first problem.
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9-11 blogger states that quote, the Czech company Biotest near from Prague got from
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Austria a testing batch of the new flu vaccine for 2009 from an American company Baxter.
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In February they have found that the vaccine was contaminated by the H5N1 avian flu virus.
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This is not what the primary sources say.
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They say very clearly that the Austrian company AVIS Green Hills was running tests on H5N1
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in the labs run by Biotest who were also contracted by Baxter.
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This blogger is trying to imply that the vaccines coming from Baxter were contaminated from
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the beginning which is not proven from the sources that he cited.
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So that's number one problem.
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Number two problem.
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9-11 blogger states that quote, subsequently the same problem of the Baxter vaccines contamination
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with H5N1 was found in the laboratories in Slovenia, Austria and Germany which confirms
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that the source of the contagion was in fact the Baxter vaccine.
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This is also not true based on the primary sources.
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The articles clearly say that the samples that ended up in Slovenia, Austria and Germany
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all originated from that Biotest lab where the AVIS Green Hills were running their tests
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under way too lacks of standards and regulations.
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You're taking notes.
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Do you want to jump in here?
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I'm just putting together the pieces.
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Problem number three.
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9-11 blogger asserts that quote, first the company Baxter was evoking the trade secret
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as an excuse and refused to comment on how the H5N1 virus got into the vaccines.
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But then when it was already clear that the source of the contagion was in fact the Baxter
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vaccine, the representative then confirmed that the contaminated virus was produced by
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Baxter Laboratories for the company AVIR Green Hills.
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While it is true that Baxter said that they could not comment on how things had happened
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without giving out proprietary information about their process, their full statement
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was quote, it was a procedural error that took place in our branch but I cannot tell
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you the details as I cannot reveal our business secrets.
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But I can assure you that we've taken immediate action to prevent such a mistake implying
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in the future.
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They were not forced into commenting because it's clear that they were the source of
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the contamination.
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Yeah.
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Anything like that.
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This is complete editorializing and misrepresentation being done by 9-11 blogger that is then being
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mirrored and parroted by Paul Joseph Watson.
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It's so crazy that somebody who is named 9-11 blogger would spread this kind of information.
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And be so lax on standards.
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It's so crazy.
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So problem number four.
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He's the AVIR of bloggers.
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He's the source.
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No, he's Biotest.
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He's the source of the misunderstanding.
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I thought, so here's what I'm trying to understand.
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It's kind of tough to keep everything kind of in-
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I mean, I'm going to try and simplify it for what I understand the timeline of events to
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be.
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Baxter and AVIR are working out of Biotest.
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Yes.
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AVIR is working on-
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AVIR more directly.
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Right.
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And AVIR is working on the vaccine for avian flu.
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Or-
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Yeah.
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They're at least doing tests.
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Right.
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Because of the lax standards of Baxter, Biotest, and AVIR, Baxter's vaccine is contaminated
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with a flu vaccine.
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Baxter is then sending this vaccine out to these other places-
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From Biotest.
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Because if it weren't contaminated, that would be the correct process.
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So it's all just that they were sharing the same lab and nobody is really doing a good
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job of paying attention.
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Yes.
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Because of lax governmental regulation and standards, which we're going to get to in
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a little bit.
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But the other thing that's important is that before it ever became a public health crisis
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at all, those safeguards with the ferret testing and stuff like that kicked in and everything
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was able to be locked down.
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And the source of it was found, which is this Biotest lab, which is not the same company
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as Baxter.
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It's very easy to make the misunder-
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They were subcontracting work for Baxter.
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It's not the same company.
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So it's important to make those distinctions because Alex won't do it for you.
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So even with the lax standards, there was still a failsafe of like, hey, are we murdering
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these things?
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Yes.
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Gotcha.
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So problem number four.
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9-11 blogger says, quote, check authorities now will hopefully proceed with a prosecution
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against all companies involved and of course the suit for criminal negligence and public
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menace against Baxter is still on the table.
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This is not found anywhere in the primary sources he's claiming to cover.
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What they do say is that Dana Drobova, chairwoman of the state office for nuclear safety, quote,
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will begin administrative proceedings in the coming days against Biotest.
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Then if they find culpability, they could face a fine up to 5 million crowns, which
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is approximately $228,000.
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This again is-
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Chunk of change.
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It's an important distinction because that's not the same company as Baxter.
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He's saying that Baxter is facing prosecution.
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It's not.
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Biotest is.
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Right.
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So problem number five.
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Biotest is like the middleman.
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It's like a place that just has a lab.
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Yes.
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It's just like we got a lab and if you guys want to do some tests, guess what?
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You can rent out our lab.
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Hire the services.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And because presumably they have clearance to do tests on like avian flu type things,
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that makes it a very attractive place for AVIS Greenhill to do their research.
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So it's almost like a shared office space where you can like rent an office for a day.
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With what you would need far greater controls over than let's say WeWork or something like
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that.
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But yes, absolutely.
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Nah, we could just rent a lab for a day.
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It serves-
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Again, we're going to have a staff party.
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It's staff infection party.
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There you go.
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It serves the same purpose in as much as you have this company that needs a place to do
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work out of, you have a place where you can do work out of, you come together and everybody
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makes some money.
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It's cost ineffective to have your own laboratory because you're not using it or you do have
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your own laboratory but it's not cleared to do tests on this particular thing.
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So you need to do some of your work over there because it would cost way too much to raise
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all of your standards up to what you need.
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Now unfortunately, as we know all too well, most people don't follow the standards until
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they're caught.
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You know?
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A lot of people are humans.
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Dan!
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Dan!
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Dan!
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How dare you suggest that capitalism has an inherent grift involved?
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Well, the people who work at those places are still humans and everyone cuts corners
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at the work they do, especially after a while.
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You work there one day and you fucking stick to all the rules.
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You work there two years, eventually you find out what's going to get me caught, what's
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not.
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And before you know it, things are so lax that you end up getting bird flu in your normal
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flu vaccines.
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That's a tale as old as time.
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Indeed.
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And you know what, you're just lazing around, you're just googling shit instead of doing
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your work, and then you get bird flu.
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That's just science.
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Like anybody who's had a job knows that's kind of the past.
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You don't like to imagine that that happens in official places, but it just might.
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Everybody's just kind of...
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It's a gig for these people, you know?
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It's still a gig.
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Speaking of gigs, 9-11 Blogger's got one.
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That's making...
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No, he has a vocation.
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He has a calling, and that is to blog about 9-11, Dad.
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And other stuff.
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I don't know why this falls under the aegis of a 9-11 Blogger, but who cares?
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Problem number five with 9-11 Blogger's coverage is that they close by saying, quote, but was
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this just a criminal negligence or was it an attempt to provoke a pandemic using a vaccine
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against flu to spread the disease and then cash in for the vaccines against H5N1, which
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Baxter develops?
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This is super irresponsible conjecture, and if he reads the articles that he's basing
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this post on, he would know that that's not at all what's being reported in the least.
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He further goes on to ask, quote, don't they follow even basic precautions in the American
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pharma companies?
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It turns out this was not the actions of an American pharma company that caused this,
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but an Austrian company subcontracting a Czech lab.
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And it also turns out, no, they don't have the regulations in place that force strict
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compliance to basic precautions.
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It is not an American pharma company that's behind this.
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You know what's great?
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This is the plot of the BBC series, I don't know if it's BBC, but it's the British series
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Utopia.
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It's fantastic.
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It's great.
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If you haven't seen it, I recommend it.
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Some parts in the second season lag, but otherwise, absolute dynamite.
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So that series may be great, but that blog post is fucking irresponsible.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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That's how they end the blog post.
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Now, Paul Joseph Watson gets even more irresponsible as he adds his own layer of propaganda to
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reporting the 9-11 blogger post and pretends that he's reporting on stories out of the
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Czech media.
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Quote from Paul Joseph Watson's post, according to compiled translation from Czech newspaper
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stories, the media over there is asking tough questions about whether the contamination
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was part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic.
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And he quotes, was this just a criminal negligence or was it an attempt to provoke a pandemia
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by using vaccination against flu to spread the disease and then cash in with the vaccines
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against H5N1, which Baxter develops.
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How could on earth a virus as H5N1 come to the ordinary flu vaccines?
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Don't they follow even basic precautions in the American pharma companies?
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States the translation.
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He's using the last paragraph where 9-11 blogger is editorializing on his purported translation,
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but Paul Joseph Watson is citing that in his Prison Planet article as something that comes
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from the translation from Czech media.
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So he's presenting the idea that the Czech media is asking tough questions.
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Was this criminal negligence or an attempt to cause a pandemic?
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Do they even follow basic precautions in American pharma companies?
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He's saying that that comes from a translation of Czech news sources.
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It does not.
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It comes from a 9-11 blogger.
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So he's quoting 9-11 blogger who is editorializing about his quotes from the Czech media.
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His purported translation of these Czech news stories.
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So it's like a platformer.
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It's the completely unrelated parallel lines that are connected by Paul Joseph Watson's
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bullshit.
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Yeah.
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And Paul Joseph Watson uses 9-11 bloggers misreporting of the Czech newspaper to draw
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conclusions like, quote, the fact that Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of
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H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun.
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Even he goes so far as to assert that, quote, there can be little doubt therefore that this
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was a deliberate attempt to weaponize the H5N1 virus to its most potent extreme and
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distribute it via conventional flu vaccines to the population who would then infect others
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to a devastating degree as the disease went airborne.
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That sounds right.
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KW editorializes like crazy and just throws out his own opinions, masquerading as fact.
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Quote, however, to reiterate, the key aspect of this story is that it's virtually impossible
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for live avian flu virus to find its way into a vaccine by accident, which I would respond
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to by saying there are plenty of ways that it can happen if proper protocols aren't in
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place for handling of hazardous materials.
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Samples could be unlabeled and get mixed up.
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Surfaces or containers could be improperly sanitized.
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There's hundreds of different little ways that contaminations could happen.
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In fact, I find it almost harder to imagine that it could happen on purpose than on accident.
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It's a much more extreme.
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If it were to happen on purpose, then people would know that it was happening on purpose.
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Someone would.
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The secret would get out.
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Everyone would kind of be talking about that.
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Whereas the only thing that makes sense in this circumstance for it to have gotten so
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far is that it was a fuck up.
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And when you look into the sort of check, the check checks and protocols that, you know,
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they are those wheat checks or rice checks, corn.
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You do see that they the conclusion that they came away with is it's way too easy for something
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like this to happen because of our lax governmental regulation of things.
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So just like the way we treat our nuclear stockpile in this country, where it's just
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kind of falling apart.
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Perry's got that under control.
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Don't worry about it.
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OK, cool.
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So from here, Paul Joseph Watson fills out his article with a standard template for an
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Infowars article assertions that the vaccine companies are trying to cause a pandemic so
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they can sell more vaccines, implying that rich globalists stand to gain a lot of money
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if they sell more vaccines.
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And of course, the long debunked claim that the globalists want to kill 80 percent of
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the population.
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It's a very standard operation for Infowars.
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But this specific instance gives us a very valuable opportunity to trace the roots from
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a check story getting misrepresented by a conspiracy blogger, who is in turn misrepresented
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by Paul Joseph Watson, whose story Alex then reports on his show as if it were actually
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based on any reality.
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This is a perfect encapsulation of Infowars' lack of journalistic standards.
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Almost like they were bio tests.
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It's insane, man.
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It's crazy to look at this and see, oh, here's the original story.
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Here's the first lie.
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Here's the second lie.
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And here's Alex reporting on the second lie as if it were the mainstream news.
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And he then lies about even that.
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He editorializes on the second lie, even.
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It's fucking crazy.
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He's stage three cancer.
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Yeah, it's nuts.
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So now here's where things get really interesting.
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I told you that Bloomberg had reported on this story on February 24th.
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They wrote that article in check.
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A good week before Alex is reporting on it and saying that there's nothing in the American
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media about this.
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Never.
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I wrote out an article about this.
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And I found this.
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And it's interesting because in this Bloomberg article, they claimed that Baxter was to blame
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for the contamination.
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There's a couple problems that I found with this.
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The first is that at no point in the source citations do Alex, Paul Joseph Watson, or
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9-11 bloggers cite Bloomberg.
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They don't bring that up at all.
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So if they-
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Mainstream media, fake news, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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But the sources that they're using say the opposite.
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But Bloomberg is saying what's in line with their conjecture.
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So I'm confused why they don't bring that up.
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Oh, that actually is interesting.
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It's very confusing because it actually-
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So they have a mainstream article that does kind of back up their bullshit.
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Well, they conceivably could.
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But the second problem is that I could only find that story by searching through the wayback
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machines archive.
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And thus, I think it's entirely possible that article was based on bad reporting, which
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they issued a retraction for, then took down the page.
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I can't find the retraction for the story, but I have a really strong reason to believe
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that the Bloomberg story represents bad reporting.
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Yeah.
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What's my feeling based on?
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Well, Jordan, I was able to find a presentation that was put together by Carol Lemert of the
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State Office for Nuclear Safety in the Czech Republic, reflecting the results of their
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investigation into the incident of, quote, potential human bird flu outbreak.
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So this presentation makes it abundantly clear what happened and who was to blame.
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They reviewed communication records, lab documents, conducted interviews with everyone who was
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involved and the police.
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And it reflected that Biotest was, quote, found to break several paragraphs of the Biological
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Weapons Prohibition Act, including, quote, illegal handling of GMO with evidence freely
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given to inspectors.
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The presentation reflects that Biotest was the company at fault in this case, not Baxter,
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and even concludes by saying, quote, officially nothing serious happened.
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He called the chain of the incident a result of, quote, a chain of regrettable blunders,
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which could be remedied with better communications between entities, enhanced cooperation between
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national agencies and possibly added legislation.
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And of course, firing the Three Stooges.
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Indeed.
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They further reflected in this report that, quote, Biotest was under hard pressure from
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AVR Greenhill to break national legislation and speed up tests of the vaccine.
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See now, there is a big problem.
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I think there we found our biggest issue right there.
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Indeed.
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AVR is just like, hey, get it done, get it done, I don't care what fucking breaks.
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Right.
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But that's an Austrian company that is doing this research.
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Yeah.
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They're under the laws in place in their own countries, not in America.
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Right.
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And even so, what you see is this fuck up is caused by them, AVR, wanting to push through
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this at a breakneck speed, getting mixed up with samples that had come from Baxter that
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were clean, people fucking up because they don't have adequate regulation on the ground.
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So that's...
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Now, question.
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Hold on.
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Do Austrians hate the Czechs?
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I don't know.
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I don't know about that level of European bigotry.
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Okay.
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All right.
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It's entirely possible, but I don't know.
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So what we have here is a very clear case of, when I read these Czech news stories,
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they completely are in line with the results of the investigation that the Czech state
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Office of Nuclear Safety did.
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All that matches up.
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The things that don't match up are the misinterpretations made by 9-11 blogger that Alex Jones is now
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reporting on, and this Bloomberg story that they aren't even talking about that has been
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taken off the Internet.
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So I am left with the conclusion that the Czech primary sources and their investigation
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that they did are correct, and that Baxter was found not to be at fault in this.
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Now, the reason that Alex is going to make them at fault is because they're a vaccine
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company.
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Oh, no.
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Mm-hmm.
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So he's going to use this to turn it into a whole anti-Vaxxer thing?
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You bet.
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God damn it!
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But that's what's primarily motivating him.
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God damn it!
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Now, before we go too far and make it seem like Baxter is some sort of a great company,
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they're fucking not.
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They have been involved in a lot of mess-ups in the past.
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No, I'm not a fan of anybody in this story, period.
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No.
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No, no, no.
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Especially not 9-11 blogger, for some reason.
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No.
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Even if 9-11 blogger was a perfectly legitimate journalist who reported on stories accurately
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every time, I'm not going to believe anybody who's a 9-11 blogger.
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Yeah.
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It's a tough hurdle for you to get over in credibility.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But it's so important that we do make it clear that Baxter can go fuck themselves too.
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Yeah.
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But in this case, they weren't in the wrong.
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It was this bio test lab and the pressure that was being applied on them by AVR Green
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Hills.
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So I...
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You're right.
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It's like if Blackwater doesn't fuck up one time, you're like, shit!
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Right.
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It's not your fault, but you're a fucking evil punch of shit.
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You should be sued out of existence for other fuck-ups you've had in your past, but this
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isn't one of them.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So anyway...
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Who's that at the door?
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Who's there?
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Who's that at the door?
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Who's there?
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Oh my God.
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Dan.
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Which one of us is going to play the other character?
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I don't know.
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I forgot who is...
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I forgot this man.
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I'm not sure whose team is whose.
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9-11 blogger, you're busted.
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Okay.
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And Paul Joseph Watson, you're busted.
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Yeah.
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And Alex Jones, you're busted.
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This is a disastrous, embarrassing propaganda effort that's being played out by multiple
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parties.
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And it's really difficult to see how much Alex is even aware.
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You know, like, I don't know what he's aware of.
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Does he know that 9-11 blogger is totally wrong?
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Does he know that Paul Joseph Watson is reporting editorial statements by 9-11 blogger?
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Absolutely not.
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So he might be getting tricked by this propaganda.
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Maybe here's my feeling of his complicity.
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He was like, hey, I had the flu.
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I'm not going to get the flu vaccine.
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Paul Joseph Watson, write me up an anti-flu vaccine thing.
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Paul Joseph Watson grabs on any story, starts quoting shit.
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And then Alex, of course, because he's an idiot, just starts quoting Paul Joseph Watson.
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Anything is possible.
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Yeah.
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I can't say for sure.
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But now that we know all of the relevant details, the facts, let's enjoy Alex try and tell this
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story on air.
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Oh boy.
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All of the points where he's just quoting 9-11 blogger as if it's the mainstream news.
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Really don't like 9-11 blogger.
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The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed
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Friday that the experimental product contained live, live H5N1 avian flu viruses reports
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the Canadian press, Toronto Sun, on and on and on.
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Baxter flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1, otherwise known as the human form of avian
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flu, one of the most deadly biological weapons on earth with a at least 60% kill rate were
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received by labs in the Czech Republic, Germany and Slovenia.
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All that's just quoting from Paul Joseph Watson quoting 9-11 blogger.
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You know, I will say this though, H5N1 does have the best live show.
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It's true.
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They are great.
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They sold out the Chicago theater recently.
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They're open for girl talk.
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Oh, so good.
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So, you know, the, you know, the reflection that I'm going to have for almost all the
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rest of these clips is he's quoting 9-11 blogger as if it's the news.
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That's not good.
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So here's the next one, but this is also where Alex starts to just make shit up.
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This was seemingly an attempt to quickly change the story and hide the fact that the accidental
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contamination of a vaccine with a deadly bio agent like avian flu is virtually impossible.
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And the only way it could have happened was by willful gross criminal negligence and mainstream
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news is saying that not just me, go read the Toronto Sun and others or read the checks
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and they're going, this is insane.
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Now stop right there.
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Go just read the checks.
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That isn't even the evidence as damning as that is.
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That is secondary.
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That is tertiary.
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That is corollary.
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That is on the side of the road.
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What is in the middle of the road?
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The instructions they gave the companies for the mixture of the falsely labeled vaccine
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was the exact complex preparation to create a mutagen that gave you the 1918 Spanish flu
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that killed at least 50 million people.
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Is it?
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It was combined to mutate between the normal, extremely airborne, extremely contagious strain
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of flu with the bird flu to make it highly airborne and highly contagious.
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How could you tell the instructions to mutate something?
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They don't involve, like none of these stories involved instructions to combine these things
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in order to create a pandemic.
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He's just making that up.
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That's not even in the 9-11 blogger stuff.
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Couldn't you put them in like the same test tube and that would do a good enough job?
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I guess.
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Fuck it.
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Fuck if I know.
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Just mix them like an old mad scientist thing.
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No, because the issue is that they need the incubation of human bodies to mutate and expand
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and stuff like that.
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I bet Dexter's laboratory could have, I think they did a story like this.
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It's possible.
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But look, okay, so the issue of instructions is just made up.
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That's not at all the issue.
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Two parts flu, one part avian flu, you got it.
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But what we have here is this Toronto Sun article that Alex is also referring to.
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You do want some lemon zest in that though.
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That's really going to bring out the-
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Sure.
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That'll help make a pandemic.
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Yeah.
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But this Toronto Sun article is where Alex is getting a lot of these fears from because
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this is decent reporting.
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They're discussing the science behind it and the possibility and the reason why this is
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a big deal.
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So they write from this Toronto Sun article, quote, accidental release of a mixture of
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live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.
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While H5N1 doesn't easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do.
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If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both
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strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit
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easily to and among people.
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That mixing process called reassortment is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.
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There's no suggestion that happened because of this incident, however.
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So Alex is taking this possibility that they're discussing just as like, this is how you fill
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out copy.
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You discuss the implications of the story.
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He's taking that as some sort of like, there was instructions in order to do this because
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it's going to be a pandemic.
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The next line is there's no suggestion that happened because of this incident, however,
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because it didn't.
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Right.
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It didn't happen.
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Because it was never injected into a person with both of those viruses in order to incubate
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a mutant virus.
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And even then, really, you wouldn't know how it would mutate unless you had done this before.
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Right.
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Right?
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You couldn't possibly predict that it would just mutate the way that you like it.
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You couldn't just predict that it would mutate like you just put one in there and the other
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one in there and then it comes out that way.
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I think I think even so, there's a little bit of unpredictability and randomness to
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it, even if you know what you're doing.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's not like baking a pie where you have the ingredients and you.
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Viruses don't like just do what you tell them to do.
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I don't think they do.
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Again, I'm not a scientist, so I'm not entirely sure, but I can read.
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So I can tell you that Alex is just full of shit.
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Right.
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And making stuff up to fit the narrative that he wants to be the case.
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Right.
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Because he wants to scare you.
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See, if this would have gotten out and may have, we don't know.
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See, instead of your child just throwing up for two days, they die.
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They die.
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They die.
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You die.
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I die.
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We die.
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Then they take those female plastic coffins they've got stored all over the country and
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they come in in bio suits and they stick you in them.
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I'm going to stop right there.
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Remember my film Endgame.
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Remember Dr. Eric Pianka at UT saying he wants 90% of the American people and people of the
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world to die.
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He can't wait till Ebola becomes airborne and kills 90% of the world population.
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So he's trying to scare you and then he brings in his other narratives in order to reinforce
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all of them.
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The FEMA camps, the coffins.
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And then he brings in, oh, remember Endgame by Great Movie that has a full bibliography
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for sure.
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Don't look at it though.
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It's a very full bibliography.
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If you ever do download the archive Jincarda, it's a good idea.
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That's the only way you're going to understand any of that film.
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Then he brings in Eric Pianka who is in Endgame, Alex very harshly mischaracterized him.
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His argument is that humans dying out would be great for the natural world, which is not
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an extreme statement.
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No, it's pretty much an accurate one.
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Yes, we are doing a lot of damage to the natural world.
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We are destroying the natural world.
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That's kind of what we do.
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And if you are someone who believes that the natural world has more importance than humans,
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it makes sense.
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And you'd be like, we should die.
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Or if you watch The Matrix and you were like, hey, that guy is right.
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Humanity is a virus.
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And then the other, this is so reminiscent, like Alex's thinking is so infantile and so
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childish that he can't understand what Eric Pianka is saying.
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He's not advocating for everyone dying.
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He's saying it would be good for Earth.
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Now, it's the exact same thing.
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In this episode, he screams about FEMA camps and FEMA teaching their agents that the founding
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fathers were terrorists.
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And if you look at the video that he posts to make that argument, the guy's making a
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really fine argument.
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Yeah, to some extent, you could absolutely say that they were terrorists.
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If you look at the time, they were insurgents.
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Yeah.
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Now, just because you're on their side doesn't make them any less terrorist in the activities
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that they were engaging in.
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Yeah, it's almost like they just staged an attack to inspire fear in a larger government
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because they couldn't attack them directly.
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Yeah.
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That was their recourse.
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Interesting.
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Huh.
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So the only reason I bring that up is it's so indicative of this inability to wrestle
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with ideas and just treat things like black and white concrete thinking.
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It's legitimately what I'm seeing expressed is like it's really low-grade reasoning.
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It's good guys versus bad guys.
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Yeah.
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It's something that most people in terms of cognitive development should grow out of in
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their teens.
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You would hope.
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Like if someone were to tell me, let's say I was really into America and I loved it.
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I was very patriotic.
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And someone were to tell me that someone is saying that the founding fathers were terrorists,
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I would say, what do you mean by that?
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And then I would hear, oh yeah, according to the British crown, they were.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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That makes total sense.
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No reason to be worried about that.
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But Alex doesn't ask what do you mean by that?
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He doesn't wrestle with the, what is the actual thing that's being communicated?
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He wrestles with concrete, literal fear and just extremes.
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It's what, it's what children do.
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You absolutely cannot get into the mind of the exact person that you described because
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the answer to that is no, they would be exactly as angry as Alex is.
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So even if they purported to be a reasonable, insane, patriotic patriot, no, no, they're
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fucking insane.
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So in this next clip, Alex again thinks or is saying, it's hard to say whether he, what
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he knows and what he doesn't know, but he's wrong and he says that he's quoting mainstream
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news articles.
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Again, this is just from 9-11 blogger.
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You understand what I just covered?
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No.
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Well, actually yeah.
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According to a compiled translation from Czech newspaper stories, the media over there is
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asking tough questions about whether the contamination was part of a deliberate attempt to start
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a pandemic.
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Mainstream news is saying this.
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Mainstream news?
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But not our media.
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It's too controlled.
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Again, Bloomberg had an article about it already.
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Wait, how is mainstream news both saying this and then also mainstream news?
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It's Czech mainstream news.
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So Czech mainstream news is not?
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The globalists haven't taken over the Czech media yet apparently.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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I didn't either.
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But this is how we learned that.
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So the Czech media is the only independent news source in the region.
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Alex just can define things however he wants, whenever he wants.
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It doesn't really matter.
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Fair enough.
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But the mainstream media in America, if he has many times said that Bloomberg is mainstream,
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even globalist controlled, they'd covered it days before he even touches this story.
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So that's out the window.
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And then when he's saying everything he's reading from that article, the media is asking
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hard-hitting questions, all that, he's just reading Paul Joseph Watson's article quoting
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bloggers editorializing as if it were from actual Czech news sources.
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I know I keep repeating that and I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but it is so
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important.
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It is so important to understand how propaganda works.
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This is a chai comm nesting doll of lies.
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It's a metastasized cancer.
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And most people listening to Alex wouldn't ever know what is in the middle of that nesting
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doll.
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They would just see the outermost layer.
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Chocolate.
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It is chocolate.
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Yeah.
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Czech chocolate.
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The best.
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That's good chocolate.
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It's propaganda that the Belgians make the best chocolate.
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The Czechs.
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That's true.
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Czechs.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, it is important.
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You have to open up the doll and see what's behind it and it turns out, oh, it's a prison
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plan at article.
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Yeah.
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Then what's behind that?
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Oh, it's a 9-11 blogger.
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What's behind that?
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It's Czech news sources that say the opposite of what you're reporting.
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Right.
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All right.
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You're a liar.
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You are bad at your job.
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And most people would never know.
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Most people listening to Alex would never know.
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This is really sad.
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Yeah.
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Very sad.
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Most people, period, would never know because nobody's doing the same amount of research
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that you are.
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Yeah.
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If you're talking about third removed sources, most people are not going to go that far.
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You know, nobody goes to the second page of Google.
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You read one prison planet and then the percentage of people who are going to read even 9-11
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blogger, the guy that he's quoting, very low.
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The percentage of people who are going to read both 9-11 blogger and then fact check
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9-11 blogger, insanely low.
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Translate Czech articles.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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No, that's, that's like in the, in the same way that the human error is a reasonable thing
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to expect from a bullshit place like BioTest, in the same way it's reasonable to expect
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that a human error would not triple check that news source.
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And I wouldn't take it down this far necessarily every time.
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Like every time I find a story, it's often much easier to be like, oh, there's where
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the lie is.
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Yeah.
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And the moment you said 9-11 blogger, I was like, oh, there's where the lie is.
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It turns out it's a little deeper, but the reason that I did as much looking into this
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as I did is I could smell this and I know this is going to be a big narrative for him.
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So I wanted to make sure we had this covered, pretty dead to rights.
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So as we go on for the next week or so, in March, we're almost certainly going to continue
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on.
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Undoubtedly.
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Don't ever take vaccines because that's the way that they're going to create the global
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pandemic.
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And he's going to be saying that this bird flu is being released or something like that.
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So we'll just be able to say like, hey, he's back on that bullshit, right?
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And then refer back to this episode.
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So this is one of our classic waystone episodes.
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I believe so.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex thinks that this is a breaking story when, again, as I've already
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said this, the events actually happened at the beginning of February and this all happened
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a couple of months ago.
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No, no.
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Just a month ago.
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About a month ago.
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Gotcha.
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But it was reported by Bloomberg on February 24th, at least.
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So it's not breaking.
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But Alex thinks like, I'm on the pulse.
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He's got the scoop.
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And we're trying to track down where all it went, whether it's been shipped out.
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We're going to continue to track this as it develops.
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In fact, guys keep Googling for me during the breaks and printing the articles.
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Just the new mainstream articles are coming out every hour.
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No, they're not.
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Google every hour accidental bird flu contamination.
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Just Google that for me.
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Just keep on Googling that.
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New mainstream news stories coming out every hour.
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Hit refresh on the page.
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The only places that I could imagine were actually covering this in the same way as
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Alex were 9-11 Blogger, 9-12 Blogger, 9-13 Blogger.
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Sure.
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9-12 Blogger, that's Glenn Bexite.
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Oh, that is Glenn Bexite.
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But no.
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9-10 Blogger is how we felt before 9-11, which was pretty cool.
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I did see a birdflu666.blogspot.com.
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That's a great blog name.
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It was covering this.
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I'm like, I'm not going to click on that.
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I'm going to go ahead.
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Oh, no.
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You should have absolutely clicked on that.
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The devil is in the bird flu, Dan.
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I decided there wasn't much I was going to be able to get out of that.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to become the flu.
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All right.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah.
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So, Jordan, at this point, his coverage of the story is pretty much over.
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And what he does is he has Paul Joseph, not Paul Joseph, he's still not an on-air talent
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at this point.
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He has Paul Craig Roberts on to talk about how Obama sucks.
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Great.
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Great.
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Right.
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Sure.
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You're going to hear your panic story about a pandemic coming and just talk shit on Obama
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for a bit.
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Obama, for whom you have expressed giving him a chance, and yet, again, day one to two
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months later is the worst human being that's ever lived.
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And Paul Craig Roberts' big claim to fame is that he's like, we got to vote for Obama
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because we have to repudiate George W. Bush.
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And a week later, he's like, fuck this guy.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's easier.
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Also, it bears noting, we've talked about this a bit, but it bears noting that Paul
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Craig Roberts has a dicey, dicey resume.
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He's written for Sputnik for years.
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Right.
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Beyond that, he is also listed as a, he's on the editorial board since at least 2000
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for an organization, publication called VDARE, which is named after Virginia Dare, the first
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white child born in colonial America.
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Oh boy.
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VDARE.
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The most recent blogger of colonial America.
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VDARE is the sort of outfit that likes to spend their time defending cross burnings
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that were specifically done to threaten black people.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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You can't defend cross.
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You can't.
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There's no defense of cross burning.
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They consistently make the argument that diversity and freedom are inherently contradictory.
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And also they spend an inordinate amount of time defending people who deny the Holocaust.
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It's a real dicey outlet.
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Can you give me one defense of a burning cross?
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Like any defense of a burning cross?
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I mean, if it's cold and you're going to die.
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Oh, that's actually a great defense of a burning cross.
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That's one.
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You can't defend it if it's a message.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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There's no good message.
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There's no like, Oh, Hey man, happy birthday.
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There's no good burning cross.
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Paul Craig Roberts is also listed as a contributing writer for years for the publication Chronicles,
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the magazine of American culture.
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Chronicles is a publication with very close ties to the League of the South, a legitimately
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neo Confederate and white supremacist organization.
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Not good.
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Additionally, Paul Craig Roberts is a contributor to the American free press publication put
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up by Willis Carto, a man so antisemitic that he was asked to leave the John Birch society.
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Just crazy.
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Really antisemitic.
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Yeah.
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You gotta be really antisemitic to be too antisemitic for an antisemitic organization.
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American free press is the new name of a paper that used to be called the spotlight, the
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spotlight and the organization behind it.
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The Liberty lobby were specifically used by Willis Carto to use revisionist history and
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outright lies to demonize the Jews.
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That was literally his stated objective.
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You can't get much more antisemitic than this quote from Willis Carto quote Hitler's defeat
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was the defeat of Europe and of America.
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How could we have been so blind?
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The blame it seems must be laid at the door of the international Jews.
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If Satan himself with all his superhuman genius and diabolical ingenuity at his command had
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tried to create a permanent disintegration and force of the destruction of the nations,
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he could have done no better than to invent the Jews.
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Wow.
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So that is really direct.
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So Willis Carto, that is the definition of overt.
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He created this paper, the spotlight, which became American free press, which Paul Craig
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Roberts writes for.
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Right.
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He also writes for this chronicles, which is connected to the league of the south.
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He also writes for V-Dare, which is named after the first white child born in colonial
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America.
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It spends a lot of time defending Holocaust.
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It's a trend.
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It's a bit of a trend.
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It's tough.
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What do you say?
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What do you get paid by the word?
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9-11 blogger doesn't make any money to work for a publication.
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You know, if you're not going to get published in the New Yorker, you might as well go to
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I understand.
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I understand.
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Do you like to have a lot of fun here?
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I'll go to V-Dare.
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Yeah.
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So Alex spent a bit of time talking to that cat.
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No, but how about Obama is cool.
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Obama's bad.
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Cool.
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I wonder why he thinks Obama's bad.
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I wonder.
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It's mysterious.
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Yeah.
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Oh, but also at this point, he's probably also writing for Russian owned media.
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Of course.
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So there's sort of a confluence of his deeply racist and Nazi adjacent writing and synergy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex does that for a bit on the show and then we get to the end or towards the end
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of the show where he has promised to do this.
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So again, that's the Paul Joseph Watson article's title.
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He's going to have a medical doctorate.
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And man, we're in early 2009.
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I was like, please be Dean Adele.
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Please be Dean Adele.
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Please be Dean Adele.
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Oh, not going to happen.
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That would be amazing.
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He'd just be like, Alex, what are you talking about?
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Not going to happen.
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Alex, you've got to read.
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What are you doing?
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Dean Adele would never do that.
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I think he's a persona non grata now at this point.
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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Cause I've not heard word one of him in quite a while.
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Surprise.
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The guy who doesn't butter Alex up, but instead points out how dumb he is.
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So I was like, who could this be?
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He's getting a doctor.
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A real medical doctor.
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So I'm like, is it going to be Rappaport?
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Is Rappaport going to appear?
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Is Rappaport a doctor?
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Yeah.
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I think no, maybe not.
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Medical journalist.
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I don't know.
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He could just say he's a doctor who gives a shit.
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That's entirely possible.
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Yeah.
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He's got a lot of like medical woo in his, uh, in his sort of catalog.
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Is General Stepplebine a doctor?
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Dr. Rema Labo is.
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Oh, okay.
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That's true.
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So I was like, maybe, maybe.
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Yeah.
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What about Mike Adams, the health ranger?
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He pretends he's kind of a doctor, you know.
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He's the health ranger.
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Yeah.
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You gotta be a doctor.
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Otherwise they don't allow you to reign.
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Who is this doctor going to be?
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Or is he full of shit?
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Is there no doctor?
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I don't know.
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What's it going to be?
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So I could not have been more surprised when it gets to the end of the show and this is
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what happens.
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This is mainstream news.
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This is deadly bird flu that we're trying to mutate, but let's just go ahead and go
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to Dr. Rebecca Carley.
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Rebecca Carley.
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Tell us what's happening.
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Basically, they're trying to cause the pandemic.
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Whoa!
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They have already stockpiled at least 250 million doses of the bird flu vaccine.
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You know, the shelf life of that vaccine has a certain amount of time by which they'll
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have to throw in the garbage, so they have to start the pandemic so that they can give
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the vaccine.
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Ah, okay.
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That's a fine monetary explanation, a little conspiratorial perhaps.
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Rebecca Carley.
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Do you know who that is?
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I Carley?
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Nope.
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Marley and me?
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I Carley and me?
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Alex has said he's going to have a medical doctor on to talk about this.
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Would you be surprised to learn that Rebecca Carley is not a doctor?
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What?
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It turns out that, quote, in 2003, the New York Board for Professional Medical Conduct
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found Rebecca Lee Carley, MD guilty of, quote, practicing while impaired by a mental disability,
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and quote, having a psychiatric condition which impaired her ability to practice medicine.
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What?
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And suspended her license for five years on the condition that she seek psychiatric help.
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She did not.
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And the next year, they determined that it was a matter of protecting the public that
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she not be allowed to regain her medical license.
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That is really hard.
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Yeah.
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They do not do that.
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Oh, but they do.
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People who are deserving of that are never, she's got to be going hard.
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Wait till you hear this.
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During 10 days of hearings, Zev Lebens, a psychiatrist who interviewed Carley, gave
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some pretty damaging testimony.
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He found her...
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She bit the head off a bat while I was interviewing her.
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He found her to, quote, have a delusional disorder with the presence of narcissistic
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and borderline personality traits.
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That's not good.
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From Quackwatch, a website dedicated to keeping track of dangerous medical practitioners and
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scam artists.
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That's the 9-11 blogger of...
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It's not.
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Oh, okay.
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Quackwatch is actually really good.
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They do a lot of really good work, and everything is cited, everything has the proper citations.
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It's very professionally done.
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The title...
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That's not a good name, though.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what is it?
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It's Watching Quacks.
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What are you going to do?
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I don't know.
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It's not like 9-11 Blogger at all.
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I mean, Incompetent Doctor Watch?
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All right.
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You know, fair enough.
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Quackwatch just doesn't inspire confidence.
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Quackwatch!
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Quote, Dr. Laban's also testified that the respondent believes that her husband sodomized
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their son as a satanic ritual because she does not vaccinate and because she cures children
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with autism.
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Dr. Laban stated that the respondent believes that her husband was fulfilling the government's
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role in performing anal penetration on their child and that this penetration sends a surge
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of energy to the child's brain, resulting in the compartmentalization of the brain,
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which she believes would cause multiple personality disorder.
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Dr. Laban's also stated that the respondent believes that the government is interested
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in pursuing all persons who are opposed to vaccinating children, which is part of the
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global government plot in collusion with the drug industry.
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That came out in court.
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So this is like if Alex was a doctor and they caught wind of him.
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Yeah.
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So they did an investigation into that ex-husband and found that there was nothing to these
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claims and he got sole custody of their children.
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Oh, God, that's so good because that was a really fucked up thing that I really hope
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wasn't true.
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She just made that up.
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Okay, good.
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That's just her paranoid...
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That was the satanic panic version of...
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Okay, good.
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100%.
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Okay.
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Jesus, that was fucking intense.
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She believes herself to be the target of a giant conspiracy because she alone can cure
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pretty much every medical condition known to man.
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And thus, she's compared herself to Joan of Arc and called herself, quote, Gandhi with
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breasts.
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She's a little baddie.
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I mean, that would have been a way to fight the British.
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Rebecca Carley is a dangerously deluded and mentally ill person.
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While I'd never want to judge her solely for that, she's refused to get the help that she
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needs and is now being used as a prop by the anti-vaccination groups of the world and Alex
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Jones to create dangerous propaganda and is therefore beyond the limits of my empathy.
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And she's a willing participant in the propaganda.
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She's made a living out of it.
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I don't feel all that bad for her.
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I feel bad for her kid.
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I feel bad for the people in her sphere that are affected by it.
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But in terms of my empathy for her, just because she's mentally ill, she's had every opportunity
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to take responsibility and get better and she is not.
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Yeah, but she probably should be.
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Like I don't I don't want to ever experience or or even advise this, but at her level,
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it almost seems like she should be committed.
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Maybe not permanently, but like an impatient program.
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Absolutely not might be beneficial, but but something that that does it because she she
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clearly isn't capable of controlling this.
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And she's surrounded by this gaggle of enablers who are not only enabling not only enabling
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her behavior, but amplifying it to the extent that it only monetizing it only reinforces
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her belief that she is the only one to do this.
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That is that is fucking interested interest.
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That's abuse in never getting well.
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Yeah.
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That's an abuse of her.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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And it's tragic.
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She's not a bad person for her because she's a you kill a million people.
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You're a bad person.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So you can kill a million people.
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But Alex has brought her in as the doctor to verify his fears about this avian flu release,
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which should tell you that most people probably wouldn't come on if he's pulling this out.
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And he he if he has used the googling that he has asked his staff to do and they just
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Google her, they would find this 2003 stripping of her license.
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He would know that she's not a doctor.
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And all she does now is offer holistic advice to people and detox advice and things like
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that that you can do without a medical license.
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He would know all that.
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Yet he's still choosing to present her as a medical doctor with some sort of a credibility
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in order to further his propaganda that this is a pandemic that the globalists are trying
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to create.
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Every piece of this stinks.
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And just as a little added bonus, in 2012, Rebecca Carley would go on another conspiracy
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radio show and call out Alex Jones for being a shill for Israel.
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All right.
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OK, good.
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Good.
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Even he gets stung by this hornet eventually.
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Good.
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All right.
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Fine.
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I want to know her story now.
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I'm really fascinated.
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Like I think I told you most of it.
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No, I mean, she was actually a legitimate surgeon.
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That's what I'm that's what I'm interested in.
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Like, how long was she a medical doctor for before?
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Very long.
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Yeah.
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Before this kind of exploded on her and read.
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She was probably technically proficient.
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I read some article and I believe I don't want to be quoted on this, but as I recall,
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it was like towards the end of graduating from medical school is when things started
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to get weird.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know.
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I don't care as much as you.
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If you want to write a biography, go for it.
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All I can.
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I mean, it's just like if you've ever read an unquiet mind like it's a it's a very interesting
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story to me.
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Fine.
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It could be an interesting story.
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But what I'm concerned about is she's being used as an expert of some sort.
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Oh, yeah.
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When she's delusional specifically about the things that Alex wants her to be an expert
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about.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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All right.
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So that's the most important thing.
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Now we have one last clip that I believe is just well, we'll call it a punch line to
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this whole thing, because as we've clearly demonstrated, Alex is reporting a story as
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if it's truth using 9-11 blogger and Paul Joseph Watson's misrepresentation thereof
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as if it were mainstream news in order to try and scare people into his world view and
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reinforce his beliefs about FEMA camps and all this other bullshit that the globalists
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are trying to kill.
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Right.
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In service of this, he brings a medical doctor who six years prior had her license revoked
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for being delusional and narcissistic and have a borderline personality traits that
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make her a danger to the public to be allowed to practice medicine.
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It's not good.
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Now here is how he ends this show.
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People watching, listen, you can't laugh at us anymore.
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You can't say it isn't happening.
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Agreed.
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All right.
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Agreed.
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I have proved my case.
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Wow.
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You can't laugh at me anymore.
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You've done nothing, Alex.
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This is so stupid anyway.
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That's heartbreaking.
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No, it's not.
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No, no, no, no.
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I mean this.
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I, I, well, first off, I'm still, I'm still wrapped up in her story, which is a tragic
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tale.
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That's a, that's a classic tale.
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Sure.
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And also like anytime you are this thorough, like I stop with, I, I don't have the, the,
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the like, I don't know, certain dance on the grave, so to speak, that you sometimes have
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because you fucking kicked ass.
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Right, right.
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I'm, I'm still on the like, holy shit, you can't be this bad.
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Like cause this is bad.
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I feel exactly the same way, even though I guess I'm dancing on the, hey, we got that
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episode done.
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Well cause you kicked ass.
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I appreciate that.
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But I am still confused too because there's parts of research that I can do and parts
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that I can't.
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Like I can lay out the facts based on the Czech stories, the Czech investigation, all
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that stuff.
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I can do that.
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But what I can't do is tell you what Alex believes.
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I can't tell you if this is a manifestation of incompetence or willful deceit.
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Now further, I can't tell you what Paul Joseph Watson intended when he wrote that article.
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I assume lies.
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I know he doesn't, he's not acting in good faith.
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Absolutely not.
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But I don't know if he believes that the 9-11 blogger is accurate.
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I don't know if his editorial standards are so low that he's just like, oh fuck, this
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is absolutely true.
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Or if he's trying to pull a fast one and knows that the source is bad and but it reinforces
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my worldview.
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So I'll just go ahead and use it.
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Man, I don't know.
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I can't tell you.
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So it leaves me a little cold too because I would love to sit here and tell you Alex
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is fucking blah, blah, blah.
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I don't know.
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He might, we're on the stupid evil continuum again.
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Right.
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But stupid is still a little evil in this case.
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Right.
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No, of course.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you all across the, all across the board there.
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I'm, I'm just fascinated by, well, first off, does Paul Joseph Watson have a significant
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other or partner?
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I think he does.
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All right.
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I think he, I think he might've gotten married recently.
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Oh, we should, we should put it in a call.
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It's not super interesting.
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Their personal lives aren't really all that interesting to me, but I think...
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No, absolutely.
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I'm just saying that I don't know if I've ever experienced Paul Joseph Watson acting
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in good faith.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Like if your entire life is built around being a bad actor.
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Right.
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But you know, this is an extreme example, but a lot of like serial killers, they have
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friends who say they're nice people.
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That's true.
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Sometimes you can compartmentalize these really shady parts of yourself.
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Right.
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And then, you know, be normal all the rest of the time.
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Right.
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But then you kill your wife.
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I think it's, I think it's, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta push back on that just because you
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brought up Paul Joseph Watson's wife.
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It's irresponsible to assume that they have a bad marriage.
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Agreed.
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Or that he doesn't.
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No, no, no.
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I'm not, I'm not, I'm not making a comment.
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He may be a great, he may be a great guy.
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I'm not making a commentary on what is or is not.
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I'm just saying he's probably going to kill his wife.
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I feel like that's super irresponsible.
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That might be irresponsible.
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I do not stand behind you on that, but I, I, yeah, it is interesting the idea of like
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where is sloppiness in reporting and strict evil, where's the line?
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I don't know.
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Where is, where is propaganda versus just being a sh, being shitty at your job?
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Yeah.
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But secondarily, I don't think it matters all that much because the effect is the effect
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of propaganda.
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Right.
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So even if you're just being sloppy, the way you're using that sloppiness is furthering
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evil propaganda.
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And so we must judge you based on that.
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Right.
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And if you're too harshly and you're just bad at your job, sorry, I'm sorry about that.
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But also you have a track record of being a propaganda.
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So the benefit of the doubt is not yours.
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If this existed in a vacuum, we'd be much more conflicted.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Since this is episode 200 something, this fucking show, I think we have a pretty good
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idea that Alex probably was acting intentionally and Paul Joseph Watson was probably, he probably
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knew damn well that this was a bad source.
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Yeah.
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If you had a Guardian article making this argument, you'd be like, all right, you guys
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just fucked up this time.
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Oh, that's how I feel about the Bloomberg article that's taken off the web.
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Yeah.
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You fucked up this time.
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It's very possible that you listen to a spokesperson for biotech and assume that that was the reality.
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Biotech spokespeople obviously are going to be shifting the blame somewhere else.
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So if you report based on an interview that you did with the spokesperson for biotech,
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I keep saying biotech, bio test, bio test.
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If you're doing that, then yeah, that's bad reporting.
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And if you're Bloomberg, you don't have a check office or anything.
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You're not like, you're not in on check affairs.
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It's the level of acceptable sloppiness that you can do and good outlets, respectable outlets
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when they behave like that, make every effort to like, whoops, not every effort hopefully
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make an effort in our, in our idealized world.
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Hopefully they do a better job.
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Well, most of the time they still print retractions, even if you don't see them all the time, they
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do happen.
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They're very low on those.
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So that's the example I would say of like just sloppiness.
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And Alex is the example of like malevolent, bad, bad, bad, bad production, bad stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Bad news.
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Yeah.
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Bad fake news.
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Bad news newspaper, but stop it.
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So that was, I mean, we're, we're done now and that brings us to the end.
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This was, this was kind of tough because I think I, I think I had mentioned this before
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we started recording the experience of researching this was, you know, the, the rollercoaster
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ride of the source trail and then getting to the check articles and being like, Alex
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is wrong.
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They're reporting this wrong.
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And then a little bit later finding the Bloomberg article and being like, wait, this is saying
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that Alex is right.
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Yeah.
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Why didn't they use this article?
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Yeah.
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What's going on here?
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And then finding the check investigation and being like, oh, you know, this is after they've
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already gone through all of the details.
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Yeah.
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So the check articles were right.
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It makes sense that the Bloomberg article is taken off the internet.
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Alex is wrong.
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But it was really of the investigation of like the research that I've done.
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This was the one that's like, it really spiraled around a lot more than other times.
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Most other ones have been much more linear.
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Yeah.
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Alex is wrong.
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Here's more evidence that Alex is wrong.
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No, I'm always a big fan of when you like, don't just research, but almost like you close
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a case.
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Right.
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You know, like you, you follow down the rabbit hole and then you catch the serial killer
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at the end.
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I'm always a fan of that.
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And no one's dead.
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Alex is just a liar.
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No, he's just a liar.
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Anyway, we have a website.
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Well, all the people died of avian flute.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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All of them.
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All of them.
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Well, the first, they only got the first batch out though.
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So like a few thousand people.
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And by, by the way, like let's, let's look at this realistically.
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There has not been a bioweapon release in the 10 years since nine years since he did
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this episode.
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In Syria there has.
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But, but, well, that's, that's different and he, Alex denies that.
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Oh yeah.
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That's a good point.
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That's a good point.
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When a bioweapon was released, Alex said it wasn't true.
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But again, that's not a pandemic related bioweapon.
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No, of course not.
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So that's why it didn't come to mind.
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Yeah.
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It's like a disease weapons and stuff like that that are contagious because that's specifically
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what Alex is talking about.
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Right.
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But if we look at that Ebola outbreak that happened, what was that a couple of years
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ago?
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Yeah.
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There were some deaths from that, but it's amazing how well that was treated and dealt
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with.
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It is.
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The fact that it was contained as efficiently as it was, if the globalists were trying to
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cause some sort of a bio release the way Alex is depicting it, that fucking Ebola outbreak
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would have been a disaster.
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Yeah.
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So to me, these arguments fall so fucking flat, the idea that there's some sort of nefarious
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world power that wants to release them because if they did, they would have done it.
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And it seems like if you were going to do it, the extent to which you would do it would
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have to then be so overwhelming that all of the safeguards that we have in place, all
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of the people who are acting in good faith trying to avoid these circumstances would
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have to be overpowered in some sense.
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Or you wouldn't create it, but when that Ebola outbreak happened, you would have done little
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things in your power to make sure it spread.
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Yeah.
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You would have piggybacked it.
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You would have taken that as an opportunity to do the thing that Alex is saying you desperately
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want to do.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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And that didn't happen.
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And so to me, all of this seems like bullshit.
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All of it just seems like fear to sell shit and to get people more deeply entrenched in
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Alex's cult, which nine years later he would use as a multi-level marketing introduction.
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So all of this.
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That's right.
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The fact that we know.
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Oh, man, I don't want to live in the present anymore.
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He's a medium.
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He's not even a top dog.
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He's in the medium range at best.
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And it's really funny that we know where this all is going because of that.
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It's kind of funny to look at the things he's doing in 2009 with the framework of like,
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we know where this leads.
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Yeah.
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This leads to Avon.
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All roads lead to Avon, Dan.
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It's really weird.
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We're going to be multi-level marketing scammers here very shortly.
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It's so fun that he'd like this leads to like legitimate legitimacy in terms of like the
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election and all that.
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Like he had his moment in the sun and like Icarus, he flew far too close and now he's
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fucking selling Mary Kay.
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The worst.
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God, we gave him such good advice.
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Yeah.
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We gave him such good advice.
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Yep.
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What an idiot.
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People don't listen.
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No.
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Anyway, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
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We'd love it if you'd go check that out.
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Absolutely.
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Oh shit.
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I'm going to do the thing that I always forget to do.
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I'm at Zamey's in Rosemont from Wednesday through Sunday.
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This week?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So come out.
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It's probably...
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Oh no, I think it's Uncle Lair.
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The guy who's been around for god damn it if it isn't all of comedy.
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I think he started in the Catskills?
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I think so.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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People should go check that out.
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Find a way to get them.
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Just ask nice.
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They need to fill seats.
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Two drink minimum is all they need.
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Yeah.
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Also, we're on Twitter.
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Oh, we are on Twitter.
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If you go to our website, knowledgefight.com, there is a button at the top that says support
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We would appreciate it if you like what we do to support the program.
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I am in the middle of being very, very serious about preparing the rewards that we have for
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And if people want to support that, even though it's a little mysterious at this point, we
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would appreciate it.
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Totally.
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Please make sure that we only get to 99% of the goals so I don't have to do this fucking
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documentary.
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But that's what's fun is like that is a very attainable goal.
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The other one that's further, you have to do nothing for.
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So you sort of should be conflicted about the growth, as it were.
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But other than that, man, I don't know, we're on iTunes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah.
Unknown Speaker (01:54:45.600)
Indeed.
Unknown Speaker (01:54:46.600)
God, I feel like there's just like beyond the multi-level marketing scheme, there's
Unknown Speaker (01:54:51.600)
like something that you should remember about Alex Jones.
Unknown Speaker (01:54:54.199)
There is.
Unknown Speaker (01:54:55.199)
There is one thing.
Unknown Speaker (01:54:56.199)
What is there?
Unknown Speaker (01:54:57.199)
Blue shit.
Unknown Speaker (01:54:58.199)
Yeah.
Unknown Speaker (01:54:59.199)
It didn't kill anybody.
Unknown Speaker (01:55:00.199)
It didn't.
Unknown Speaker (01:55:01.199)
But there's one guy who Alex Jones probably did kill.
Unknown Speaker (01:55:03.840)
So his death toll might be higher than this conspiracy that he's selling.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a person caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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