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Alex Jones (00:00:00.000)

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

Dan (00:00:07.000)

Hey, everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes, like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex. June.

Jordan (00:00:15.000)

That is that is what we do.

Dan (00:00:17.000)

Indeed it is.

Jordan (00:00:18.000)

Let me ask you a question. Please

Dan (00:00:19.000)

do. Alright. Can you put it in the form of two questions? All right.

Jordan (00:00:23.000)

So if you were about to be indicted, were i Were you about to be indicted?

Dan (00:00:28.000)

Let's bring it into the subjunctive.

Jordan (00:00:30.000)

Would you appreciate it if the leading propagandist of our times? At least the craziest propaganda?

Dan (00:00:40.000)

Sure, sure, the most bizarrely effective Right, exactly. Against all odds, Alex Jones very effective?

Jordan (00:00:47.000)

Would you like it? If he was a huge fan of yours?

Dan (00:00:50.000)

No, it would probably, it probably be bad, probably be a bad look, it wouldn't be good. Well, because it sort of you then have to analyze who else is he a big fan of and then it starts to become like, oh, oh,

Jordan (00:01:04.000)

that's really good analysis. And that suggest any answer to my next question. What does that who knows more about Alex Jones between the two of us this guy? I don't know anything about Alex Jones. That was the most successful opening bid we've ever done.

Dan (00:01:17.000)

And yet at the same time, I feel very weird. Good. Like I backed you into a corner with a double question always. So anyway, we'd like to drink novelty beverages. Today we're on the Elysian Fields with a space dust IPA if you'd like to sponsor us Elysian or whatever the beer company is, you're okay, I feel very bad now, not knowing what company this is. This is your first time drinking it. It is tasty. Please shoot us an email if you'd like we

Jordan (00:01:41.000)

are drinking these because I have been sober for too long for unspecified reasons.

Dan (00:01:46.000)

I think you were fucked up yesterday.

Jordan (00:01:48.000)

I was not fucked up. I was high yesterday. I wasn't drunk yet. Now

Dan (00:01:53.000)

we get into a discussion of what the definition of sober.

Jordan (00:01:57.000)

Look, I gotta have both otherwise, one or the other doesn't work as well. I'm not

Dan (00:02:01.000)

judging. So Jordan, today we're going to be going back into the past, we're going to begin a new investigation. That will be one of many investigations because we were talking before the show. And Alex Jones in the present really sucks. Yeah. It's too easy to see through his games, quite frankly. We just had the November 4. Communist uprising.

Jordan (00:02:24.000)

How did it go?

Dan (00:02:25.000)

Went well? Did they uprise went well as we probably communist now. Yep. They took most of the eastern seaboard. That was a very quiet coup that they just off. Oh, man, man, I didn't even notice like a pillow. Oh, it's smooth. Like we all knew the the idea of like, Alex is creating possible scenario. And then when it doesn't happen be like, ah, because we exposed it. It didn't happen. Yep, these games are being played over and over again. And then at the same time, there's all the sincerely nonsensical batshit stuff about helicopters at the Las Vegas Shooting Show. And what have you. And that's just, I mean, it's not that fun. No, we're still going to be talking about the present. But I want to I want to take I missed the 2015 investigation is what it comes down to what you're saying. Yeah, and I miss

Jordan (00:03:11.000)

you wish that Alex Jones would travel back in time. Maybe have sex with his mom, maybe? Who knows? Maybe, but he's old scientists, buddy. Sure. Great guy

Dan (00:03:20.000)

and get on a train. Ooh, that would be cool. That's back when America was prosperous? Absolutely. We use coal to power

Jordan (00:03:28.000)

did shrug on trains, my friend indeed.

Dan (00:03:31.000)

So I'm gonna I'm gonna do we have a couple of time travel episodes that very delightful policy wonks have suggested thanks, policy wise, that are actually a little bit more difficult than I would like to admit. Because they've just given you just admitted it, Dan, I've said I would like to admit it's too late. I admitted it. I'm showing vulnerability.

Jordan (00:03:53.000)

And that's why I attacked you the issue with psychologically we're both great.

Dan (00:03:58.000)

I'm working on these time travel episodes, but they these walks have specified dates, but not years. So going through various years of a specific date and trying to figure out Did something happen this year? It's a bit of work, but I'm working on them and we'll have something eventually. But for now, I'm going to embark on explorations that I want to figure out along the way. And today we're going to jump off on the investigation of we now know why Alex Jones joined Team Trump. That's what I've heard, but how long did it take him to go from? I love Rand Paul, but I liked the things that Trump is saying. All right, we got a sport Trump to being I will die for Trump, right? How long does that transformation take? And I suggest it's not going to take long. This investigation is going to be a very short event. It might be two episodes. All right. I think it happens in January of 2016. I think he becomes like a fully dedicated propaganda outlet for Trump fucking quick. But today we're going to be going over January 6 and seventh because in the new year he has David Knight host a bid to nurse that hangover though that that New Year's hangover and so we jump in on January 6

Jordan (00:05:17.000)

New Year's Is this his favorite holiday because he gets to dress like a Nazi Halloween Oh shit, I just assume you dress like he dresses like a Nazi for every holiday

Dan (00:05:26.000)

be fair, you could dress like a Nazi anytime you want.

Jordan (00:05:30.000)

Like Sandra Bullock

Dan (00:05:31.000)

Alex Jones does spiritual Come on now. So we're going to get into this January 6 episode and what

Jordan (00:05:39.000)

I you know, sometimes I'm grateful we don't have a lot of new listeners because that would sound very weird if you hadn't had just laid back years worth of this, this podcast to go back through of the back and forth of

Dan (00:05:52.000)

Sandra Bullock's ex husband's activities. So here, I'm gonna play a clip of Barack Obama speaking.

Jordan (00:06:00.000)

And oh my god, I can't wait to hear Him speaking.

Dan (00:06:03.000)

This is a clip. Speaking about a recent shooting in January of 2016. less excited to hear about him speak well, it's still a pretty succinct clip, and I'm playing this clip that they play on Info Wars. So that's why there's some spooky music. Oh, my God, they're children. But it's important to hear the phrasing and the words that Obama uses, because Alex complains about this clip for almost the entire January 6 episode. So here is former President Barack Obama. Until we have a Congress that's in line with the majority of Americans. There are actions within my legal authority that we can take to help reduce gun violence and save more lives. So that is the clip.

Jordan (00:06:47.000)

That's the scariest thing I have ever heard. It's a good thing that they put that music behind there. So I know to be afraid of it.

Dan (00:06:55.000)

Absolutely. And the important thing to remember, and I'm planning this upfront, because it's going to come up pretty Inner Inner militantly. The important thing to pull out of the phrasing that he uses is, until there's a Congress that's in line with the majority of Americans right. Now, keep that in mind. And we will get back to it. On this On this episode, he gets into the globalists a bit. Here is

Jordan (00:07:21.000)

good. I haven't heard too much about the globalist that doesn't involve Trump recently. So I'm excited. It's

Dan (00:07:25.000)

true. Here's a little a little tidbit about the globalists and their plans visa vie if they're being successful, or on their own timetable is the tide turning. Yeah, of course, it's always turning.

Alex Jones (00:07:39.000)

All you collaborators, all you that went along with this. You're destroying your own future. You're bringing the United States of America into bondage and yourself into bondage.

Jordan (00:07:52.000)

Bondage is fun, as long as it's

Alex Jones (00:07:55.000)

lazy cowards. So I hope you enjoy yourself. I hope you're proud of yourself. Now, because patriots for the last 50 years exposed this agenda and held it back and slowed it down and the globalist admit they're 15 years behind.

Jordan (00:08:15.000)

What did they admit that all over the world? Oh, that makes sense.

Alex Jones (00:08:19.000)

Because the military actually sees how really evil it is behind the scenes. And even some people in federal agencies, I would have never thought this 20 years ago. Sure. They're some of the most awake people and one of the wildcards, I don't want to say ace in the hole, you would all be aces in the hole you shot to do the right thing.

Dan (00:08:38.000)

So this this that

Jordan (00:08:40.000)

is the least logical or intelligent sentence I've ever heard my entire but

Dan (00:08:44.000)

you know it the end of there. What do you say when he says do the right thing he means spread our articles and buy my shit. Yeah, that's kind of the subtext of it, right? But at the same time, he's fulfilling a couple of his narratives. One, the military is the most awake, they know everything there. They're real good. That's largely because he gets a lot of calls from military people, of course. And then beyond that, the globalists are 15 years behind plan they have admitted it were nonsense. When did they admit that? Why would they admit that?

Jordan (00:09:14.000)

Who is the mouthpiece for the globalist admitting it

Dan (00:09:16.000)

I'll let me admit something I'm 15 years behind on my life plan Hey,

Jordan (00:09:21.000)

dude, I'm 15 years behind on just general maturity Yeah, absolutely.

Dan (00:09:25.000)

But the globalist I played

Jordan (00:09:27.000)

video games for 12 hours yesterday I am exactly yeah, I know.

Dan (00:09:32.000)

Right. I just got to switch it seems like 12 hours is a soft day. Yeah adults but yeah the the the very idea that they even in their their white papers are there. They're like oh shit, we're even publish it seems. cockamamie seems like complete nonsense. Do they

Jordan (00:09:51.000)

have conferences like do they go to did they go to like the Hilton they get a comp? No, they're a Bilderberg? They're Bilderberg. Yeah.

Dan (00:09:57.000)

But you know, I mean this just satisfies the other piece of his narrative that is like, the reason that we're not in FEMA camps right now is because of me. I am stopping the globalist because of me. And people like me, let's say Joseph McCarthy back in the day. You know, these are the people who slow down the globalist plan,

Jordan (00:10:19.000)

right. You're welcome like J. Edgar Hoover.

Dan (00:10:21.000)

Right. You're welcome rate people.

Jordan (00:10:23.000)

You're welcome. Huge fan of Woodrow Wilson. He really took down the globalists, his Eve he was all white supremacy all the time, baby. It

Dan (00:10:31.000)

seems like those things were on a concurrent path, but it's probably a coincidence. I'm sure I was watching the coverage of the suppose it Antifa riots on Saturday. Yes. How did it go? They didn't go great, right when Rob do hosted the first like two hours of it, and that's when I turned it off. I was like, Oh, watch an hour and a half to do that. Then fuck it. And he needs to trim up his beard. And that's me talking. Yeah, it's a haircut and a beard trim. And that's me saying why he looks like shit.

Jordan (00:11:01.000)

Suck it, Rob do poser. He's not good. It got taken down by Kathy Griffin. And Dan freezes.

Dan (00:11:07.000)

Oh, so he's not good at his job. It's just it was so boring. It was terrible that Owen Schroyer on the street. It was just a mess. Why

Jordan (00:11:15.000)

did they do man on the street interviews? I don't know. They have to know how bad they are at it right

Dan (00:11:19.000)

there. It wasn't like he got owned by any kids this time. But at the same time, it was just nothing. It was just it was background noise. Yeah, no one wants to talk to you. Basically, no one did. And once he started talking to people like hey, do you like Trump? And they'd be like, I don't want to talk to you. But yeah, all right, and then just walked away. Which I mean, I guess is the right thing to do. Don't harass. Yeah, that's very reasonable, bad television. But the thing I wanted to mention was I got I got to watch the live chat a little bit. Oh, no, a lot of n words flying. Of course, a lot of blame the Jews, of course, and a whole lot of people posting 1488 Which I don't know if you know about is that Nazis?

Jordan (00:12:00.000)

I feel like that's not it's not. It's not the 88 is the SS, H H. Okay, and

Dan (00:12:07.000)

then the 14th is the 14th words, we will

Jordan (00:12:12.000)

we will we will eradicate everybody who isn't what's

Dan (00:12:14.000)

not eradicate? I mean, that's the subtext, but what it is, is about preserving the future of our children. Yeah, eradicating everybody. Right, right. Or at least isolating it and making sure nobody in different races fuck each other. That's the soft Neo Nazis. That

Jordan (00:12:29.000)

is a very interesting plan that and let me give you reasons why.

Dan (00:12:35.000)

But that's the thing. That's the thing is

Jordan (00:12:37.000)

like that I like that plan. Because that's like, oh, no, we're Nazis. But we're humane not. How could you?

Dan (00:12:44.000)

Well, I mean, Richard Spencer even talks about that, like non violent ethnic cleansing and stuff like that. Yeah, man.

Jordan (00:12:50.000)

I want him to be violently ethnic cleansing, though. Oh, boy.

Dan (00:12:53.000)

You're soft. Yes. That's gone out the window.

Jordan (00:12:57.000)

When it comes to Richard Spencer. I don't think there's any soft Yes. Well, good luck.

Dan (00:13:01.000)

I don't care. Let's not Let's not break that down. Too far less. Do you advocate for someone's murder?

Jordan (00:13:07.000)

I don't advocate anybody's word. I agree. Do you agree? Crazy under the laws of parity, I'm sure this is at least somewhat

Dan (00:13:15.000)

legal spell parody.

Jordan (00:13:18.000)

The other thing AR it why, like the NFL fair, and it's all about fairness.

Dan (00:13:23.000)

So the thing I want to talk about though, is whether or not Alex Jones is okay with it or cool with it. Nazis flocked to him. And he should know that there's a reason you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like that, that it's not really an accident. Like you know how Morrissey has a large Hispanic fan base. And people don't really know why. Like everyone's confused like not not sure why this is the case.

Jordan (00:13:52.000)

I think it's I think it's very obvious why is that because he speaks a lot about emotional issues that are shared by first or second generation immigrants in LA. Okay. All right. Like those are those are the same feelings like I totally get

Dan (00:14:08.000)

that's a reasonable enough. I don't think that's I don't think that explains everything. I think it does fine. That's a reasonable enough.

Jordan (00:14:15.000)

And that's why we need to build a wall around board teacher

Dan (00:14:19.000)

to hold in his tears. That's a reasonable enough explanation for a sort of bizarre counterintuitive fan base, right? There is no explanation needed for why like if you have a Nazi fan base, you It's you you might be playing to not you're doing something right in order to get that fan base. Right. And Alex should be aware of that,

Jordan (00:14:41.000)

which is interesting that Jeff Foxworthy made a career of kind of making fun of Nazis. Is that real? Is that true? Now that we know what redneck really means?

Dan (00:14:50.000)

Oh, boy. Communist snack. Exactly. He was out there with me.

Jordan (00:14:58.000)

So try to bring back the ball. Bolsheviks

Dan (00:15:00.000)

in this next clip, if you just might be Huizar. In this next clip, Alex, we can

Jordan (00:15:10.000)

see your advisor tried to murder you six times, you just might be a czar. Your advisor is

Dan (00:15:17.000)

spooky and has a giant penis. So in this next clip, we find that Alex at the beginning of 2016, has not lost his heart on for Russia over the new year, he got drunk and it came out of that hangover still loves Russia. Gotcha.

Alex Jones (00:15:33.000)

There's nowhere to run pretty much the whole planet, some of the control of the private central banks that in the last 100 years or so, took over the planet, the fraudulent digital fractional reserve money they came up with.

Dan (00:15:48.000)

So now, he doesn't do a terrible job of diagnosing a problem.

Jordan (00:15:53.000)

Yeah, no, I think he's right. He's not right. But no, no, stop right there.

Dan (00:15:57.000)

He's correct. Calm down. He's not right. But he does have a pretty decent point to make about the idea of, you know, centralized banking, having a detrimental effect on especially third world populations, nailed it disenfranchised countries, things like that, you know, it's great. Oh,

Jordan (00:16:16.000)

no Jews involved. I mean, there's some Jews involved, but not in a very Jew way. Why don't you hold? I don't know if I like saying that. I don't I don't like you saying I didn't like that period. Why don't you hold off on it's weird to talk about a blatantly anti semitic subject without having some like, I just don't like it.

Dan (00:16:33.000)

Well, it's tough because we're dealing with someone who has such veiled and powerful under the surface anti semitism, right. And so, using parody with him, it often can sound and feel very uncomfortable. No, I don't like it. It's tough. But I want you to hold your tongue about No, you really want me to. I mean, about any like, he has a point. Okay, because it falls off the rails pretty quick, okay, and does involve some no stereotypical Jewish car Oh.

Alex Jones (00:17:10.000)

And they're militarily backed by the West. And of a country that go along with the globalists, they'll go hire communist or other organizations to overthrow the country. They'll put them into total slavery for 1020 3040 5060 70 years, depending on the nation. And then after that, the public so broke back and trained, they then collapse and then Rothschild banks taken over, turned out that basically every oligarch in Russia turned out to be a Rothschild front. The Rothschild sued two different newspapers a few years ago, saying it wasn't true. And then it turned out, the judge said, I can't believe the Rothschilds came into court and lied to us like this. This suit has proven the claims of the newspaper, Boris Yeltsin, all those people, totally on the payroll of the Rothschilds. Let's not start arresting all their people. And so they start moving NATO in weapons in trying to overthrow the Russian country.

Dan (00:18:14.000)

So there is that narrative that he's spinning here. And it's a little bit problematic, because, I mean, it does come from a kernel of truth. There were members of the Rothschilds family that sued I believe it was the Daily Mail for libel. Oh,

Jordan (00:18:32.000)

yeah. Well, that seems reasonable. Anybody who's in the Daily Mail probably has standing to sue the Daily Mail, right?

Dan (00:18:39.000)

Yeah, I would say so. They're a trash paper. But in this case, they did lose the suit. And one of the reasons is that libel, especially in terms of politicians, super hard is very difficult to prove. And what they had posted they had in the Daily Mail, was that this Nathaniel Rothschild, who is the described in this independent article here as the scion of the banking dynasty and friend of seemingly everyone in the spheres of finance, business and politics. All right, they had written that he was, quote, the puppet master to the Baron of Hartlepool and foyer.

Jordan (00:19:13.000)

I'm having a great time so far, Hartlepool.

Dan (00:19:15.000)

That guy who the Baron is name is Mr. Mandelson. And so the case they did they did lose this libel case, right because they were it was found that they were deeply involved with influencing Mr. Mandelson. That's why was a British politician. That's

Jordan (00:19:35.000)

why you shouldn't sue people when they're right. Right. It's a bad idea.

Dan (00:19:39.000)

It's one of those intimidation things that can go too far. Yeah, like Asha?

Jordan (00:19:43.000)

Yeah, if we had a functioning justice system, I think Peter Thiel would have gotten his ass handed to him by Gawker. Yeah, unfortunately, we don't.

Dan (00:19:51.000)

So the Nathaniel Rothschild sued over it. The Daily Mail is account of his and Mr. mandelson's trip to Russia in January. We have 2005 Okay, so Mr. Mandelson, the Baron of foyer and whatever I can remember the other place. It's a delight just to hear you say Mr. Mandelson, he is a labour politician in Britain. And he has also recently said that he will work every day around the clock to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. So we can tell that he's probably more

Jordan (00:20:22.000)

weight. He's a labour politician, you know, okay, so the pro finance, Labour people are the pro corporate Democrats. Right, right. Like, here's the same thing neoliberal Corbin is Corbin is your Bernie Sanders, except somehow he's kind of still for Brexit, which is very weird. It's a very strange thing.

Dan (00:20:42.000)

I understand slightly where that comes from. But I think it's I think it's, I don't know, I don't I don't understand the intricacies seas of British politics as well as I'd like. But I have heard a couple of accounts of like arguments for Brexit, then like, I kind of get it. I think it's probably clunky, and will be much more negative. just logistically,

Jordan (00:21:04.000)

oh, I don't think it's going to happen. No, I don't think anybody thinks it's going to happen. If you thought it was actually going to happen, they would have to start building borders between Northern Ireland and Ireland.

Dan (00:21:14.000)

That will be a terrible blow to Alex's Patriot narrative. If it doesn't end up happening. Yeah, because it's one of the cornerstones now.

Jordan (00:21:21.000)

Everybody involved knows that. It's a terrible idea that people campaigning for it knew it was a terrible idea. They just wanted to get elected. It's just like, it's just like, Republicans knew Trump was a bad idea. But they're like talking, we already did it. So why not? If I can follow through with it, I don't know, we'll the people or some shit. It's amazing to me, what they will hide underneath will of the people when they're lying to the people. Right? Right, that really fascinating that you can lie so blatantly like, like with the Republicans and like huge tax cuts to the corporate rich are gonna help you out. Right? And it's like, it's the will of the people. We can't go against them. And it's like, no, you could just tell them the truth. Right, right. Right. You could just tell them the truth. And they would and the people would be like, No, we don't will that?

Dan (00:22:05.000)

Well, it's the difference between like, if you want to take into a medical perspective, it's a difference between like consent and informed consent, right, like you need to have when people are making a medical decision, they have to be aware of the risks associated with it and be offered the literature and stuff like that. Absolutely. And once you have done that, that you have informed consent from a patient to make a decision. Right. There should be some of that for voting. Right. But I agree.

Jordan (00:22:31.000)

The only problem there is anytime anybody tries to restrict voting, we always get into racism. It's very

Dan (00:22:37.000)

unfortunate. Yeah. And actually, I want to take that back. Because that I mean, that even was that was a tactic of Yeah, the racist policy time you try and restrict voting and education restrictions. Yeah, like that. Yeah. So I want to go back to this. This thing about the Rothschilds? Yeah, because they are the standard boogeyman of Alex Jones and his ilk, as like the terrible big, like, up above the politicians pulling the strings.

Jordan (00:23:04.000)

Because the Rockefellers aren't really around anymore.

Dan (00:23:07.000)

Well, David just died a couple years back maybe a year or so ago. They just don't have the wealth and influence. But neither do the Rothschilds because it's been so many years and generationally. The wealth has been split up among a bunch of people and none of them wield the same power. Like the Baron of Rothschild did. 100 years ago.

Jordan (00:23:25.000)

None of the children of Henry Ford are ever gonna have no come anywhere near the power that he will and

Dan (00:23:30.000)

the same thing is true even like the Waltons, yeah. Or like the Walmart errs, the crankies and stuff like that. They have regionally or in small conclaves big influence, right. But in terms of, like what they could have had during these, like back in the days of Henry Ford, right, it's not even close to that, like the crankies live in Columbia, Missouri. They're one of the branches of the Walmart fortune and they create a whole bunch of trouble in terms of paying athletes and stuff like that illegally core, like weird under the table recruitment stuff that everybody's aware of and everybody

Jordan (00:24:05.000)

should be like that whole argument is for another time but it shouldn't be legal athletes should be paid go fuck

Dan (00:24:13.000)

your salary, but yeah, that way Yeah, no, of course but be that as it made they can do that shit. And they can

Jordan (00:24:18.000)

do is lobby the NCAA to make it legal, but no, no,

Dan (00:24:23.000)

that they can affect like Columbia, local politics and stuff like that to a certain extent, but they can't change like they can't send us to war. Like you could have 100 years right. So I'm gonna read this, this next paragraph and at the end of it, it gets dicey for the present. Oh no. Mr. Rothschild claims he was subjected to sustained and unjustified attacks in the May 2010 article which portrayed him as a puppet master, dangling his friend Lord Mandelson in front of the Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska it to ease the passage of colossal business deals. Do you recognize that name? By Oleg Deripaska.

Jordan (00:25:03.000)

Boy, it sounds Swedish. So I'm gonna assume he's Swedish. No, it's not Swedish. Oh, are

Dan (00:25:10.000)

you sure? Positive?

Jordan (00:25:11.000)

It could have been Middle Eastern. He's,

Dan (00:25:13.000)

he's Russian.

Jordan (00:25:14.000)

He's Russian from Russia. Hmm. Do you know why can't think of anything that Russia has done recently? Do

Dan (00:25:20.000)

you know what recently indicted gentleman was very involved with Oleg Deripaska?

Jordan (00:25:25.000)

Um, I'm still going back to Sweden. Is it a Swedish politician? Because you got Mandelson in my brain?

Dan (00:25:32.000)

No, he's British. There are no Swedes in this room. Oleg Deripaska is the Russian oligarchy that Paul Manafort offered to give briefings. And there are indications that there's a lot of financial debt between the two men, of course, so Alex, bringing up this libel case about the Rothschilds is a very interesting window. Because the only Russian oligarch involved is a person who's involved with Trump's campaign manager. Yeah, and the situation with the Rothschilds is that the Rothschild, Nathaniel Rothschild brought Lord Mandelson along to Russia to try and pretend that if we can get some business deals going Mandelson will be on your side in British politics, right. Which is like

Jordan (00:26:24.000)

your is a good thing. I was accidentally, like making a pattern accidentally. I know. It's a good thing for him. He doesn't read anything, because he discovered that the complicated systems he's talking about right, always wind up pointing back to him being wrong.

Dan (00:26:40.000)

Totally. I mean, if you just replace Mandelson, with Manafort, you have almost a parallel,

Jordan (00:26:45.000)

exact same situation. Exactly. It's almost like there's a playbook.

Dan (00:26:50.000)

For these, like Russian oligarchs, and crazy super billionaires.

Jordan (00:26:54.000)

It's almost like somebody wrote a playbook. It's almost like somebody we know, wrote a playbook. It's almost like somebody who's been on Alex's fucking show, wrote the playbook

Dan (00:27:04.000)

that is taught in military academies. Yep. Yeah, it's weird. I don't think I don't

Jordan (00:27:09.000)

think he's I don't think he broke the oligarchic play. We're over. I think that was written back in 1910. With the the Pez dispensing.

Dan (00:27:17.000)

Yeah. If you were to try and make that kind of a claim about Alexander Dugan, I would have to stop you.

Jordan (00:27:23.000)

I would get sued for libel. No, because by The Daily Mail, of course,

Dan (00:27:27.000)

it's overestimate there's because he is like, super involved in a lot of fucked up stuff right and deeply involved in the stuff that we're talking about. Right? It makes him sound like he's a big bad. Oh, yeah, that's not the case.

Jordan (00:27:40.000)

If he's going on Alex Jones's show, he's not the he's not the final boss.

Dan (00:27:44.000)

No, but he is a cancerous influence and couched in intellectualism and what have you, to an extent that he is worth talking about, but to pretend like it all goes back to Dugan. Yeah, so I've seen some people on Twitter sort of making those sorts of arguments. It's, it's just because he, he has such a strong, long standing history of anti liberalism, anti Americanism, like, you know, anti Americanism American. I like all that stuff. It makes it makes him very easy to focus on. I don't know. Anyway, Alex, bringing up the Rothschild stuff, there does not work in your favor. It's interesting. It's interesting, he just

Jordan (00:28:27.000)

doesn't understand. It's It's fascinating to see him talk about a global organization as being something that he hates so desperately, and yet have no idea how a global organization would be such a complicated system, wherein even the bad guys are good sometimes. And the good guys are bad sometimes, because it's so many different interlocking parts where everybody's trying to play this longer game and you do this whole thing. And so he has no concept of complicated systems. He only understands bad, good, like, he doesn't get it. No, he's just incapable.

Dan (00:29:05.000)

Yeah. And it is a failing in terms of him being able to be a newsman, right? Oh, that's the other thing I wanted to talk about, about the, the Antifa riots that I was watching the quote, unquote, coverage of the fake Antifa riot, right. So Owen Shroyer was out on the street at the Austin gathering of the resist fascism or whatever, right? And most of it was covering how there were more Trump fans there than the actual protesters. And I don't know because

Jordan (00:29:36.000)

the protesters really kind of didn't know what was gonna happen. And the Trump people were like, we've been listening to Infowars it's gonna be an uprising. We better get there

Dan (00:29:46.000)

and we got to be armed. Yeah, exactly. But the other thing is, a lot of it was Joe Biggs dancing around with premade signs, and what have you, like if they're covering In an Info Wars reporter, fucking with, quote unquote Antifa protesters. I'll take side of the story, Dan, right. But it's so silly. It's like you can't if you want to be a journalist, if you want to be doing journalism, then don't go work for Infowars. Well, there's that. But also, if you are Infowars, and you want to do that, yeah, don't become of the story. You're sending in at Rambo bigs on Twitter, right in tune with premade signs and shit to report on him. Resisting the Antifa it's a it's so stupid.

Jordan (00:30:36.000)

I disagree even

Dan (00:30:37.000)

No, I know. It's I know what your I know your point. And I agree with that. But like from fuck you. No, no, I agree. But like in the real world, right? No, I understand. It's smart from their standpoint. But if everyone understood how journalism should work, unbiased, external, that sort of thing, then it would be like This is embarrassing. You know, he still kind of works for you.

Jordan (00:30:59.000)

Right? Well, but the Situation Room about pizza

Dan (00:31:03.000)

gate, but we don't really know what the deal is. Because you're pretending that didn't happen. So why would it have happened? Right? Well, he

Jordan (00:31:10.000)

didn't do anything wrong. No, because

Dan (00:31:11.000)

nothing happened. Exactly. I wish some jobs would give me that kind of leeway.

Jordan (00:31:19.000)

Oh, it's a good thing. Nobody got shot anyways, you're gonna take a day off, right? We're gonna give you one day almost killed somebody leave. And then you're back to

Dan (00:31:27.000)

work. We all are in denial. So you still have

Jordan (00:31:29.000)

exactly. No, I mean, of course, of course. They don't want to do real journalism. Because that would be silly and hard. It's so hard to do. You have to call you have to check sources. You can't cultivate sources so they give you information down the road. You can't you can't have

Dan (00:31:47.000)

a 2627 year old dude with probably like a Sports Fitness degree. Like helming the whole thing. Exactly what degree? Yeah. Hotel and Restaurant Management. Yeah, like it's, it'd be weird. He does not have a journalism degree. I'll tell you that, right. Really

Jordan (00:32:05.000)

weird. If Mike Cernovich had a black history degree, that would be very strange African American

Dan (00:32:11.000)

Studies. I could see him having like a media studies or something like that degree. He's really He's much better than Alex in terms of manipulating Right? Or at least sort of, like, you could see it in the way he's pivoted. He did that I'm pivoting away from Trump thing, and then went on if it was the next day, and now when he's on Infowars, he sells it as that's pushing back against Trump. Sure. Like he's he's like that. I don't I don't believe him. But that's still a much more cogent argument for your behavior than anything Alex has. Yeah. And so I think that he's a little more savvy, and probably will last longer. That's, that's true. I mean, no, almost nobody brings up it. He was involved in GamerGate stuff and almost nobody brings up all the fucked up stuff. He who cares?

Jordan (00:32:59.000)

We don't have an attention span. The reason that it's the reason that it is a good idea for your your dumb ass is like Joe Biggs to go be an insert themselves into the story is because if you're Alex Jones, your entire fucking business is built on a personality, inserting himself into the story, more or less to everything. Yeah. So if you want that to continue,

Dan (00:33:24.000)

that's why the Trump presidency works. Right? Exactly. It's a character inserting himself into the stories already

Jordan (00:33:28.000)

into the craziest story you can get to that's interesting. Yeah. So they have to cultivate the same kind of personality. It's not about the work. It's about the guy being entertaining.

Dan (00:33:39.000)

you're onto something there possible. So I apologize that it's been almost half an hour since I played that clip of Obama. Oh, my God, I have not gotten to the him bringing this up. And here is Alex bringing up this clip. And like I said, I wanted to make a point of pointing out that what Obama actually said was, we can't wait for Congress to get in line with the majority of Americans, right? And so there is shit. There are things that I can do within my legal authority to try and put up against the tide of gun deaths and write unnecessary death. So here is Alex Jones, covering that largely innocuous clip,

Alex Jones (00:34:22.000)

Rand Paul came out and slammed the White House for saying that, the President says Donald Trump's disqualified Oh, you're disqualified. Even.

Dan (00:34:34.000)

This was also in the context of comments being disqualifying and that sort of thing. It wasn't like, Haha, you stepped off base, you're disqualified.

Jordan (00:34:42.000)

I thought it had something to do with the New York Marathon. He wasn't allowed to run it. I don't think I know. I know. Trump is a huge marathoner, right.

Dan (00:34:48.000)

I don't think he could pass the physical. Is there a physical anyway?

Alex Jones (00:34:53.000)

Trump's rival Rand Paul came out so that's very dangerous. Oh, of course it is. Quote, we can't wait for Congress. To get in line with me, what's it called getting in line for a leader?

Jordan (00:35:05.000)

When you quote,

Alex Jones (00:35:07.000)

Ceausescu literally said quote on shouldn't Hitler, Joseph Stalin, vi Lenin, frankly Arab asure English Khan, for me to keep going on the line here,

Jordan (00:35:21.000)

dusty Baker,

Alex Jones (00:35:23.000)

Dusty Rhodes, they write this stuff for him Rhodes Scholar to be naked, better get on with me outside any foreign treaty and keep it secret about what I'll open the border of if I want I take your guns do not want to persecute whistleblower media.

Dan (00:35:39.000)

So at this point, he's getting a little bit too much into his Yosemite Sam voice. Yeah. And it does him a disservice here. Just listen to this.

Alex Jones (00:35:47.000)

Yeah, the most liberal members of the media exposing me for torture and war. I shot the NDA to arrest you in the middle of the night and put you on a plane to fly in Romania to torture you to death, because I'm black. And so it's okay.

Dan (00:36:03.000)

Yikes. I liked your face didn't even like you, your eyebrows. Were at this point with Alex Jones that like that's incredibly offensive. Well,

Jordan (00:36:14.000)

I was starting to think about my work white guilt. And I was like, I do think it's okay if you're black parents like that look, if a white dude did that shit, I'd be all over. What do you do

Dan (00:36:31.000)

that is not even close to true but like meet the like he's in that suffering succotash like a that mode that it gets too good to him that he just like I'm gonna go for it goes all the way I'm going off the edge of this

Jordan (00:36:44.000)

is my holy those. Those are the same people who insisted No, no, I didn't vote for Obama. Because I don't like his economic policies. Right? It's not because he's black. No, now he's allowed to do everything he wants because he's black

Dan (00:37:00.000)

and you guys let him do it because he's black because we're a bunch of cops.

Jordan (00:37:04.000)

But that's not why I like his. He's gonna keep foreign treaty secret as that's, and that's a bad thing.

Dan (00:37:12.000)

But if the military makes a treaty with Syria, and Russia and Russia Yeah, with no one else knowing no, that's great. That's fine. They're patriots. They're patriots. Totally, of course. Totally. So this next clip, Alex is doing some pot kettle action pot calling the kettle black. Kind of shit. Here we go. This is disgraceful.

Alex Jones (00:37:32.000)

And we've got Obama. Hi, Obama. What people say is fake crying certainly looks fake to me. As they're mentioning this long list of shootings. As if each time it's a drumbeat and how much more well, we put up with one of our graphics guys, Zimmerman put together a satirical piece that supposedly you know shows the teleprompter we'll roll that in front of the screen for TV viewers thing get a full view of it. That has a bird's eye view of the teleprompter telling Obama when to cry at what point

Dan (00:38:07.000)

so you have brass balls. Fucking balls to

Jordan (00:38:16.000)

certainly looks like I mean, look, if anybody knows what fake crying looks like, it's definitely Alex.

Dan (00:38:22.000)

Right? And I think that that is why he makes claims like that. It's like I cry all the time. Exactly. Like deep down. He's like, humans don't have emotion. Exactly. Humans don't I know that if your feet if you're looking like you feel something you're faking it. What is Obama trying to sell? Right? Does he have a mineral line? What is going on? Does Obama the president, but he's he's trying to get on the beat 12 market dude, if

Jordan (00:38:46.000)

Obama sold rainforests, I'd be far more likely to give him

Dan (00:38:51.000)

still not be interested. But that, to me is amazing. And it's also the first of two comedy pieces on this episode that we're not going to know because no comedy piece is all it is is like they play Obama's press conference where he's very heartily speaking about the shootings and how we need to do a better job in our country. And as we're recording this on Sunday, there was just another one just reinforces that.

Jordan (00:39:16.000)

I like I like how he's I liked how he even said it. He said it like he's saying this like it's a drumbeat saying how much are we going to put up with and it's like, yeah, no, you nailed it. That is exactly what he's saying. That's exactly what he's doing. And that's the question that we are absolutely incapable of asking ourselves,

Dan (00:39:34.000)

I think most of the country who are not beholden to the NRA and what have you, or Alex's dumb shit that's the question we ask ourselves a lot. Like how much I mean you didn't it turns out me turns out before the show that there was a shooting like a couple blocks away from our houses the other day Yeah, I had no idea yep, that's that's how tuned out and like sort of like, I mean, we're not even local big news. Nope. That's fucked up. No. fucked up Chicago. Yeah.

Jordan (00:40:03.000)

Which is that and again, we can talk about statistics all day. It's like Chicago has a lower shooting death rate than so many other cities per 100,000. Yeah. But at the same time, we do live in a place where we have the

Dan (00:40:16.000)

second highest population or third highest population in the country. Yeah, it's nonsense. Anyway, Alex thinks that Obama is faking crime. Oh, that sounds right. Now let's enjoy this next clip, which is sort of the Chaser to that shot.

Alex Jones (00:40:30.000)

During the break, I am in a state of grief, mourning, but also explosive willed, resist and fight in the set my full will. I simply will rise as Christ my Lord and Savior against the enemy. God, please make me stronger. Please share the words. Please give me the reach to help reach more people and help others also be moved. Stand against this evil. But those of us that love freedom are like high powered 700 horsepower cars.

Dan (00:41:03.000)

We'll get back to that metaphor, but I also noticed that he never says Amen. He prays a lot on air but never says Amen. Weird isn't your thing. I mean, you're supposed to say Amen, right? I mean, that's etiquette and who gives a shit? That's when you're like, God doesn't know when you stop. God needs an over and out

Jordan (00:41:22.000)

telegram? Yeah, Lord, please give me the strength to fight stop. Lord, please let me fucking fight for the Jesus Christ. What a stupid fucking religion

Alex Jones (00:41:34.000)

NASCARs we can blow an engine we can throw a rod we can get angry. We can be mean to our family members. You name it. I mean, I have been not great really mean but super aggressive. You don't have any more focus the last few days. And it's because my instincts are clean. My head screwed on straight and man. I love a love America. And I watched that guy out there with years. I've got tears right now. Oh, I don't want to have tears. I was so angry. I made my soul down. And I'm angry because I'm so sad.

Dan (00:42:04.000)

Right? It's if you watch the video, it is so fake. It's so Wow, is

Jordan (00:42:09.000)

that bad? I have tears in my eyes. I don't want even though I don't want to have tears in my eyes is the most revealing set. And nobody who's ever cried against their will has been like, I'm doing this. Even though I don't want to do this.

Dan (00:42:24.000)

I feel this so powerfully, I can't I don't even want to do that. You know it too. It's just fascinating to me the idea that he's fake crying because it is very fake. It's banana in the middle of saying that Obama's tears are fake. Right. And I'm not here to say that Obama really was crying. I think from everything I can tell. It seems like he was sincere and genuine, right? I don't know. I don't know the man. Personally. I haven't spent as much time studying him as I have. Alex true. I'm willing to believe his tears were real. I'm not willing to believe Alex's our course. And based on that dichotomy, the fact that he's like, all right. I'm trying to say the President is fake crying, right. I really need to amp this up.

Jordan (00:43:05.000)

That's exactly what I was thinking. That's exactly what I was thinking as he was like, this motherfucking Obama guy is stepping into my game. Totally. I am gonna cry motherfucking hard.

Dan (00:43:15.000)

I will show you how

Jordan (00:43:16.000)

you're gonna fake crime. I'm Alex. God, damn, Emmerich fucking Jones. And Sandra Bullock is a Nazi. Anyways.

Dan (00:43:26.000)

It's fascinating to me. And it's just like, it's so in line with what I've determined in terms of Alex's psychology, right? Like the fact that he would fake cry. Well, talking about Obama fake crying. It's wrong. That's Alex Jones. Absolutely. That's him to a tee. Now, I have made a massive discovery. What's that? Now? It's a discovery that we kind of already knew.

Jordan (00:43:52.000)

A massive discovery. Well,

Dan (00:43:54.000)

it's something that we had the sense of before. Okay. Well, we didn't have as many concrete examples of it. And this is that Alex Jones, the key to Alex Jones is flattery, right? You can compromise him and corrupt him through flattery easily, incredibly, easily

Jordan (00:44:13.000)

the same way we suspect that Trump can be compromised,

Dan (00:44:15.000)

possibly or through his business deal, right? Well, there's Alex might be more on the up and up in terms of business. But if anybody tells him, you're awesome, we love you. He falls in line. As we heard, he talked to high end Russians told him that Putin loves the show. And Putin listens all the time. And whenever you

Jordan (00:44:36.000)

you can get high end mailorder brides. So I assume these are

Dan (00:44:40.000)

high end military Russians. Did you marry Russian intelligence I know. So what you need to know is at the beginning of 2016, Alex Jones scored an interview with Louis Farrakhan

Jordan (00:44:55.000)

that is now my favorite thing that you've ever said to me.

Dan (00:44:59.000)

Now, we won't go Get to the entire interview on this episode. It's that good. No, because he hasn't aired it yet. Oh, okay, the timeline that we're in, okay. He teases you a good week and a half fucking teasing motherfucker. You need it for the context of this. He has screamed about Louis Farrakhan and hates him and hates the Nation of Islam and thinks that they're a bunch of race baiters or score and all that, but naturally, he gets to go talk to Louis Farrakhan. Now listen to this clip.

Alex Jones (00:45:30.000)

This show transcends though all the lines all the race garbage all of it doesn't sound like it. And that's really what's so important about Infowars and the responsibility we have disagree because it doesn't matter if you're Vladimir Putin you love him doesn't matter if you're a top Gen depending on it matter be Louis Farrakhan. They listen to the show every day of every week. Farrakhan people daily listeners Farrakhan listener every week. You're like, what doesn't matter what's fair commerce is you Louis Farrakhan has changed a lot and he says that in the interview. That's what we want to do. We want to win, folks, we don't want to divide and conquer, we want to come together and say no to what's happening by Congress go out to break now. I'm gonna come back with Obama, just saying you're gonna get in line. People say, Well, what's he gonna do? He's got a low approval rating.

Jordan (00:46:23.000)

How's he gonna do it above 50%.

Alex Jones (00:46:25.000)

It's the final chapter. Folks, you know, what comes next? The dreaded false flag, the atrocity. And the minute there is a building blown up mass shooting, whatever, you cannot wait, you got to have cameras ready, you got to have your phone ready, you got to go and videotape everything and upload it. And then we're over at all forensically. But we've got when they run this false flag to stop it, expose it immediately. Stay with us.

Dan (00:46:59.000)

That clip went on longer than I intended it to, but stay with us. So the the narrative there is soft, for sure. The idea of the false flag so not good. And like you pointed out like Obama's approval rating was over 50% Yep. Right now Trump is sitting right around 3630s. Yeah, 3637. And no, still bananas. No one on the left is asserting that this church shooting in Texas was a false flag that Trump had organized or anything like that. I know that that's a little bit ugly to even put into words. But the reason I want to do that is to mirror what other version of Alex would be like, right? And trying to look at like, what, how ugly how gross. Any buddy else than Alex doing the things he does are? It's, it's unthinkable. Well, it's unthinkable that anybody else would do this. But the

Jordan (00:47:59.000)

polar opposite to falsehood isn't a different type of falsehood. It's fair. It's truth. Yeah, that's true. Like we're we're people who tell at least as as far as we are. researched reality, so we can talk about false flags, like the Lusitania probably was was sunk as a false flag.

Dan (00:48:21.000)

of Tonkin? Yeah,

Jordan (00:48:23.000)

absolutely. All of these

Dan (00:48:24.000)

things. MK Ultra is not a false flag, but it is definitely something that existed right in the fucked up CIA, right. But we can

Jordan (00:48:33.000)

also talk about how people having a lot of guns is a bad idea. And it's fine if you have like, I'm I'm very anti gun, period. But I get it. If you hunt if you have a gun to protect your family, I get it.

Dan (00:48:49.000)

Even for fun. Yeah, I'm, I'm into it.

Jordan (00:48:52.000)

My aunt has a gun that she just likes to take out to go to the shooting range and feel like she has a deck for an hour.

Dan (00:49:00.000)

Which is that might be misogynistic. Have you now

Jordan (00:49:02.000)

okay. Well, I think that's why most people have gotten feel like they have a bigger dick than you know.

Dan (00:49:08.000)

I mean, I don't know if I don't know if that's necessarily the case under decks. I think that even in recreational purposes, having a gun is totally cool. But at the same time, it is a situation where you should do there should be records

Jordan (00:49:21.000)

I would prefer if nobody had a gun, but that's not going to happen. So at this point, I would prefer if nobody used a gun to murder large groups of people one point would it be

Dan (00:49:32.000)

if everybody who hunted wood went back to bow and arrow? I mean, it would be much more challenge badass. Yeah, it would be really like if you kill something like an animal with a gun, it's not really that impressive. Now you take one out with a bow that's way more impressive.

Jordan (00:49:47.000)

If you went out with a knife. You gotta add the real shit right so we'll live

Dan (00:49:50.000)

killing that bore. I watched last. I know what it's all about.

Jordan (00:49:56.000)

It always comes back Sawyer didn't

Dan (00:49:58.000)

feel that good always comes back to Joy. didn't feel that great when he killed that polar bear with a gun. No, we went lock went out there fucking took down that pig felt great. Yeah. Anyway, the point is, yes, we can we can walk a middle ground because the reality of the world is the middle like we've already talked on this very episode about the idea that centralized banking interests are detrimental to the world rific but at the same time, it's not there some sort of globalist cabal that are doing it.

Jordan (00:50:30.000)

I mean, they are but they're not. Like that's the that's the weird thing about central banks is that they all have certain tacit agreements that they don't necessarily talk about. But there is always going to be a Oh, you guys did this will fuck yeah, we can do that, too, right? We're all going to do the same illegal shit,

Dan (00:50:50.000)

not now. Now saying that. And jumping to Alex's version, it's a big leap. It's a big leap. So whenever you whenever you get into the idea that there are global corporations, and there are global banks that are interested in the profit margin, interested in making as much money as they can, right, we can discuss that in terms of, you know, regulation should be there, treaties between countries should be enforced.

Jordan (00:51:18.000)

Or countries should no longer exist.

Dan (00:51:22.000)

That's a whole other thing.

Jordan (00:51:23.000)

That's a whole. That's a longer conversation. That one is far more unreasonable than the no guns conversation.

Dan (00:51:31.000)

But what just to get back to my point, the distance between that the recognition that there are these international corporations that are out for the bottom line, yeah. And jumping to their Satanists, and they want to steal your kids out of the backyard. And they drink blood because there's adrenaline in it. And all that a little bit too far. It's it's where you it's where you ruin a legitimate conversation. Yeah, it's like it. I don't remember who it was. But one of the one of our listeners might have been in the chat room or sent me a message about how, through the over sensationalization and through the fetishization and Satanic Panic aspects. Alex Jones is doing a disservice to the idea of the reality of crimes against children. Absolutely. Because you're creating this false reality where people drink blood and there's a there's, there's these giant, like, demonic orgies and what have you, right? That is not real. And when you present it as what you're up against, you're never going to get the truth. There are horrible things that are done to children,

Jordan (00:52:46.000)

human trafficking is massive. And you're never

Dan (00:52:48.000)

going to get to the bottom of that you're ever going to solve that problem. If you focus on this bizarre, over amplified Eyes Wide Shut kind of reality. And it's it is it's what he does with the banking stuff, too. It's what he does with all of

Jordan (00:53:04.000)

these problems, and you've equated it as an unsolvable problem, more or less. And that's, that's another big

Dan (00:53:11.000)

you have no power. Give me money. Yeah, give me money, and I'll take care of it. Yeah, you're not gonna fucking take care of it.

Jordan (00:53:17.000)

Although I did read an article, which it's, it's of the best type of scientific bullshit articles that you can read, you know, the, the headline is insane. And then you read the article. And it's like, Now scientists have said, this probably isn't true, right? But we're gonna make this huge. And it was that young blood transfusions into the elderly is a good idea.

Dan (00:53:41.000)

I've seen some of that and it may

Jordan (00:53:42.000)

help Alzheimer's.

Dan (00:53:44.000)

I've seen some articles about it.

Jordan (00:53:45.000)

It's like, oh, that's gonna be so good for Alex to finally get a hold of because it's like, now all old people are drinking young people's blood.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:56.000)

Transfusion liberals, liberals, no transfusion.

Dan (00:53:58.000)

You can't drink it that way. Why not? Because it doesn't go into your bloodstream, then.

Jordan (00:54:03.000)

That's what they want you to think. Right? The globalists don't put that out in the white papers. Look, look, they told you that their plan was 15 years behind that was a false flag to get all people to drink young people's blood. Okay, this is all true.

Dan (00:54:16.000)

It is it is interesting the that that sort of stuff in the same way that like, I don't know, the same way that oxygen bars were cool for a bit in the 90s. You know, like there are these things. That's right, there are these things that like have some sort of like scientific intrigue, and I certainly at this point, I don't think the science is in about putting young blood in your snot but it is interesting in that sense, right? Also, if

Jordan (00:54:39.000)

Kobe Bryant can go through a European blood transfusion treatments where they highly oxygenate his blood, why not

Dan (00:54:47.000)

sure. Whatever. I don't really give a shit. Let's move on. I think we

Jordan (00:54:52.000)

only like why basketball players no I love

Dan (00:54:56.000)

Kobe was one of my favorites when I was younger, although I love Rex Chapman. Not just as a basketball player but as a human, get it get out there and solve that opioid crisis Rex doing the Lord's work. So also, Fuck you, man. When I was young for no reason, the New York Knicks were my favorite team because I loved like Anthony Mason, he shaved things on the side of his head. I thought that was really cool. And all the guys would slap his bald ass head.

Jordan (00:55:24.000)

See, I thought it was I thought your favorite team would have been the Celtics because they were the last team to integrate.

Dan (00:55:28.000)

No. Also Charles Oakley was really cool. Because he was that like badass Enforcer. He just beat people up for no reason. Yep, he was like that Bill Laimbeer type, just fuck you.

Jordan (00:55:39.000)

I mean, the Knicks original name was the knickerbockers. And we all know what that meant. To theater. I have no idea. That's a

Dan (00:55:46.000)

Nickelodeon. I

Jordan (00:55:51.000)

know, I didn't have something to do with socks. I feel like it was very sock important. It

Dan (00:55:55.000)

might have been anyway, let's move along. On this January 6 episode, what Alex Jones does for most of the rest of the show, after this point, there are like maybe 15 instances of him saying that Obama said Get in line with me. Yeah,

Jordan (00:56:10.000)

instead of getting lined with the majority of the public opinion, which again, if you're going to say, quote, yeah, you should quote, right.

Dan (00:56:17.000)

And he's acting as if Obama said, Get in line with me, right, and then plays the clip, which I think is unwise, as a propaganda is not a good idea. You should not play the clip, make people search it out, because you know, they're not going to of course, just say what you want to say and move along. Yeah. So he does that, like 10 times, probably in the episode and I left out the other nine. Because I mean, I could make a supercut of him being like, get in line with me, but I don't have time.

Jordan (00:56:45.000)

Which is an interesting thing for somebody like him to say, considering

Dan (00:56:49.000)

you want everyone to get in line with them. Exactly. Look, I could make a super cut. But I just got to switch so I don't have to. So for the rest of the episode,

Jordan (00:56:59.000)

get in line with Mario. Oh, God. So good. So good.

Dan (00:57:03.000)

Mario Odyssey is the best. There are also shades of the Odyssey in it. Ah, so great.

Jordan (00:57:09.000)

Is that why it's called Mario Mario Odyssey?

Dan (00:57:11.000)

I don't think so. Because there aren't like a bunch of suitors trying to get peach. That would be awesome. That would be amazing. That would be awesome. If you had boo and Bowser and like a Parana plant. That's

Jordan (00:57:23.000)

very important. That's very important in to in Super Mario RPG,

Dan (00:57:27.000)

right? In the Odyssey is yes, how maybe. I think you're just anyway, this the rest of the show, Alex Jones is visited by a guy who believes Rigo lizards. Okay. David Icke. All right, there we go. David Icke makes a little comeback. And it's a really long interview. And it's not important. But I just have a few clips. So here's the first one where he's given David Icke a little bit of an introduction and gets you gets a little off track.

Alex Jones (00:58:03.000)

We've had David Icke scheduled for months now, and, and he's a big guest, and I like him. He's he's a big open free thinker.

Jordan (00:58:10.000)

Yeah, sure.

Alex Jones (00:58:12.000)

That's how it goes. I'm, I'm glad he's coming on. But but I am gonna play this dictator clips.

Dan (00:58:17.000)

He He's referring just to that same Obama clip.

Jordan (00:58:20.000)

Dictator clips. Yeah, he's gonna take your guns

Alex Jones (00:58:23.000)

coming up. Briefly when he funds. Great. We're under attack constantly, which I'm not complaining about complaining. I'm getting stabbed politically all the time and bloods pouring out,

Dan (00:58:35.000)

stabbed politically. So before he gets the you get to do this ad? It's a little bit I mean, it's always a long ad. Yeah. Before David Icke comes in, he has to brag about his own place in the world a little bit. And at first, always under attack. It furthers this being being cooperated through flattery theory that I believe is the key. I think that's the entire story of Alex Jones, that if 20 years ago, Bill Clinton had courted Alex, that would be entirely most liberal, he never would have listened to Larry Nichols.

Jordan (00:59:10.000)

Although, although if Bill Clinton had cornered him, he would instead be a triangle, a center, centrist Democrat. And we all know how damaging that could be, this

Dan (00:59:19.000)

podcast would still exist, but it'd be very different.

Jordan (00:59:23.000)

You and I would just switch shares, that would really be the entire thing. I'd be like an alternate motherfucking centrist piece of shit. And you're like, now hold on.

Dan (00:59:32.000)

I can't believe I can't believe this guy. It'd be a struggle for about six months and then we both descend into similar insanity. Yeah. But you know, it'd be fascinating though to like if they had done that's the story

Jordan (00:59:44.000)

of our friendship. It was a struggle for the first six months and then we decided to do his first six months. We didn't even talk to each other. No, I know. And it was, it was, it was very weird because we the first time we met, we were like, Oh, I'm going to talk to you for the next six hours. And then we didn't see each other for like six spots.

Dan (01:00:01.000)

That's low. That's low. Anyway, one day we'll do a how we met podcast.

Jordan (01:00:05.000)

I think that's a good idea.

Dan (01:00:06.000)

If we're gonna

Jordan (01:00:07.000)

have to get Larry Nichols on for that. Oh, let's

Dan (01:00:10.000)

have him on as a guest. It just forced him to listen to the bowels. That's the new game plan.

Jordan (01:00:17.000)

That's the new new guy. Next time we call Larry Nichols. We just talk over him.

Dan (01:00:21.000)

No, no, no, no, not even that. We we come up with like a couple of things like that. Like how we met like these, these things that are of no interest to anyone. We have Larry Nichols on the phone.

Jordan (01:00:32.000)

That would be so amazing. Larry Nichols. No, I know you were in Nicaragua. How do you think Dan and I's friendship started?

Dan (01:00:40.000)

So we were doing some comedy.

Jordan (01:00:42.000)

Now, man, I think it's the way that most friendships start.

Dan (01:00:46.000)

Now, the Sinclair brothers. I can't remember their names. So here, Alex is bragging. And it is again, indicative that if you just flatter him, that's all you need to do. Yeah.

Alex Jones (01:01:00.000)

I mean, you know, we've got Matt Drudge listening pretty much every day. I mean, told me he listens every day. I'm flattered. We've got I know for a fact, one of the Russian high command government people Vladimir Putin reported listens and likes the show. I was told this years ago, like, you shouldn't be so critical of Putin about you know, this, isn't that, you know, he likes your show, then I was like, yeah, right to like, heard from a bunch of high level Russians. And now the media they have in Russia talking about vaccines will kill, you know, cancers way up because the glyphosate we're banning GMO, it's a global warming is a global government carbon tax to destroy nation states and kill billions. I mean, it's not just, you know, they're Alex Jones listeners. They are tuning into the reality it makes sense to them, and then they learn more. And then they basically get outside the box. It's very exciting.

Dan (01:01:47.000)

So that that's damning and don't be

Jordan (01:01:52.000)

critical of Putin, right? And then I was like, I'm gonna keep being critical of Putin until I found out he loves me likes me, right. So I was like, Well, clearly Putin is right course. Wow. Yeah, that's dumb on. Does he realize how dumb he is?

Dan (01:02:09.000)

I don't think he knows what he's saying. Yeah, that's probably true. Like, because that that clip indicates that he's aware of the trajectory. Like he's aware of the fact that like, I was critical of Putin, right. And then high end Russians told me not to, because He loves us. He loves the show. And then now all I do is talk about how the globalists want to take out Putin when I mean, if you really look at the reality of it is, especially as it relates to the oligarchs situation, right. Alex's narrative is completely off in terms of that he didn't kick out oligarchs, he, he installed better ones for him, right? Or the ones who are already there. Just he took some of their money, right? Let them main to it's a mafia, right.

Jordan (01:02:51.000)

That's like, that's like if you argue so the did you see the news about the Saudi prince? Yeah, yeah. Right. Right. Now, if you want to

Dan (01:03:02.000)

explain a little bit further, because that's so vague,

Jordan (01:03:05.000)

that is a very vague thing. So yeah, so a one of the Saudi princes just had a huge shit ton of oligarchs arrest another prince and another prince, his uncle. Yeah. Arrested for corruption charges

Dan (01:03:21.000)

and a bit of what appears to be a coup. Yeah, exactly.

Jordan (01:03:25.000)

So if you're gonna say like, that's like saying Putin got rid of the oligarchs like, no, he got rid of some oligarchs, and he is keeping the ones that he likes. No, he bought the same way that this Saudi prince is getting rid of the oligarchs who he doesn't like and he's just going to install different

Dan (01:03:45.000)

ones. Putin bombed a bunch of apartment buildings in 1999, seized power kicked out all the guards that wouldn't play ball played ball with the rest of them, but did a massive crackdown on the media. Yeah, and then started killing all of his detractors. Not all of them, but a bunch of them a lot of so like that. I mean, that track record is there and now it's can pretend that Oh, look. You got to see both sides because he likes me right now. Let's fuckin talk about the other bullshit. Who has time to listen to him every day. I know. I do a podcast about him every day. I don't listen to him every day. Like, does Putin have three fucking hours to listen to this bullshit every day? Horse? Nobody doesn't listen to this every day.

Jordan (01:04:28.000)

At best at best. Putin has a guy he's hired to listen to Alex Jones every day

Dan (01:04:33.000)

maybe only in case like he says something where we got to take him out. Yeah, exactly. Or like just gotta get a jelly polonium dark

Jordan (01:04:43.000)

moderate monitor him to make sure he doesn't go too far and then if he does I'll live and then it'll be fine again, right like he's he's not listening. Now monitoring

Dan (01:04:54.000)

possible at best farmed out at farm out monitor. Yeah. So this this whole This whole idea that he had like that people keep telling him we listen every day. We love you all this stuff. It's so influential to him. He's just, he's drinking the Kool Aid.

Jordan (01:05:12.000)

Right? Remind me what ours are. Does he? Does he run a show in Russia?

Unknown Speaker (01:05:19.000)

That's a good point. That's a good

Jordan (01:05:20.000)

point isn't it? Seems pretty, pretty simple math to do.

Dan (01:05:25.000)

You know, what I would also say is, I don't think the internet is as free in Russia as it is here. Very much not so I'm not sure that they would have access to his show. Slightly less

Jordan (01:05:35.000)

free than the internet in China. Yeah. And

Dan (01:05:38.000)

I don't think that they like I don't think Info Wars airs. terrestrially on radio in China. Oh, you don't think so? Either, either. No, I don't think so. I don't know. I

Jordan (01:05:47.000)

think the guy who runs his Chicago station definitely has Matt do ba Yeah. Matt do ba definitely has a few Russian stations.

Dan (01:05:54.000)

I told you this yesterday, but yeah, true comedy. In the November 4 Antifa. Coverage. Matt do ba the guy who hosts who owns a radio station in the Chicago suburbs. That airs Alex Jones and Alex and passes had him on the show and says like, Y'all, we are airing it in the third biggest city in America. The signal doesn't reach Chicago. No, it's just in the suburbs, and whatever. So he came on the November 4 broadcast with Rob do and it turns out that his signal was down the morning of November 4, and he wasn't on air. Yeah. Oh no. Rob do was like this is probably sabotage because they know that you air Info Wars course they are probably trying to take it down.

Jordan (01:06:39.000)

No other explanation

Dan (01:06:40.000)

I had BPA was like, there was a big storm last night. There's a bunch of other stuff that could could be some sort of a coincidence. I don't know. They're you know, there's there's other stations? I don't know. Robin was like, probably sabotage. Yeah. I was watching it like guys, pre show, pre show and interview Get it together.

Jordan (01:07:04.000)

Every Late Night Show has a pre show interview. Those aren't improvised conversations, guys. Well,

Dan (01:07:11.000)

like even if you like Alex Jones, he has a boner for not having a teleprompter and all that I understand course, you want things to be natural and germane. And we do the same thing. But at the same time, if you're going to have a guy calling in, they're gonna build a false narrative off right? In the break, talk to him and be like, play along.

Jordan (01:07:31.000)

Or yeah, I mean, he's a radio station owner like you can go off teleprompter because we have years of comedy improv experience behind us. I don't know that much improv. Not improv, but like comedy.

Dan (01:07:45.000)

I just general freeze up. Be be a heckler. Get it be a heckler freeze up that freeze. No need for the seat anyways.

Jordan (01:07:52.000)

What's the point? The point being he's just a guy.

Dan (01:07:59.000)

You know what I liken it to I liken it to whenever like you're playing a softball game, and there's a hit. And as soon as the ball is in the air, someone will yell plays it second, or something like that. So everyone knows get the ball to second if you catch it, okay. You know that like because you sometimes you forget where the runners are. And in the commercial break, Rob do just be like plays at second, right? This is what we're going right. This is what we're going to suggest. Now. You don't have to say you were sabotaged,

Unknown Speaker (01:08:26.000)

but work on a suggested

Jordan (01:08:28.000)

also. I get it. He runs Infowars on his radio show. Yeah, he syndicates it or whatever does not listen to Infowars. Rob do so he's not gonna jump in with

Dan (01:08:41.000)

euros. Really? Yeah, he seems committed. See, that's crazy. He's hosted the fourth hour a couple times. Really? Yeah.

Jordan (01:08:47.000)

Wow. And he still doesn't know how to run with the narrative. I feel like you should be able to jump in at that point.

Dan (01:08:53.000)

Those who can do those who can't teach or own radio stations. Yeah, one of the two. So anyway, I told you this is an interview with David Icke, and here is an unfortunate clip of David Icke, saying what he's talking about the globalists and what they're doing but it actually in hindsight really applies to Alex Jones. Can

Jordan (01:09:11.000)

I call him Dick Van Eyck from now on if you want to, I feel good about that.

David Icke (01:09:16.000)

Already and global states in which you have 24/7 surveillance and that you have freedoms are basically zero. Now to bring that in, you can't just come out and say, Okay, we've had a meeting. This is what we're going to do. You have to create in the public mind, the reasons why you're doing it. And because those reasons are not genuine. You have to make them up. In other words, you are bringing in your global fascist system by lying and lying and lying. Man, I

Dan (01:09:55.000)

love that lesson. I love that you're Bringing in a global fascist state by lying and lying and lying. If you isolated that clip because he's using the second person and talking to Alex, I 100% agree with it. Because that's where we're heading.

Jordan (01:10:11.000)

How do these guys these guys

Dan (01:10:14.000)

know? He has to Don't Judge David? I'm confused. Don't Judge David Icke.

Jordan (01:10:20.000)

I don't know his name David Icke. Do you mean?

Dan (01:10:23.000)

Like, they don't don't blame Dick Van Eyck.

Jordan (01:10:25.000)

What's wrong with Dick man? Like, look, I

Dan (01:10:27.000)

think he has. He's beholden to anti semitic ideas. And he certainly believes the Protocols of the Elders his eye on is real.

Jordan (01:10:34.000)

You're not selling me on not blaming him. He is a

Dan (01:10:37.000)

bit of an anti Semite. But I think he's mentally ill like, okay, in a way that Alex isn't like, vacations again. He had a weird experience. When he was in Peru, I think he was on a mountaintop. And then we got frozen in place and had a bunch of things downloaded into him through the

Jordan (01:10:58.000)

I just wanted to remind myself exactly why it is I can't blame him.

Dan (01:11:01.000)

The reason that I say don't blame him as much is because I honestly think to a certain extent, from the times I've heard him on Infowars that he's, like, not thrilled to be there. Like not that he doesn't like Alex or anything like that, but he's just like, I'm on some other shit. And Fine, I'll play along. There is a global oppressive system and what have you, right, but it's aliens. Right? He's, he's, he

Jordan (01:11:28.000)

doesn't want to jump into the Trump or whatever bullshit. He wants to be like raptors, he,

Dan (01:11:33.000)

it's, it's unclear. He's, he's good with it in terms of the Trump stuff, right as a as it disrupts the system, right? But he's not in the same vein, as Alex. And I look, I don't think it's the difference between a crazy pundit and a propagandist. Alex Jones is a propagandist because he's working towards a specific goal. I think David Icke is a crazy pundit, because I think he's brain damaged. But at the same time, a lot of the stuff he says is really relevant. A lot of the stuff that he says is, it makes sense, some of the points behind it in terms of self empowerment. On this episode, he talks about a lot about the idea of a shadow self and a real self. And there's some like, just self improvement, the ideas that he has, like, I'm cool with that.

Jordan (01:12:26.000)

So you're smart enough to disagree. Like your argument for not blaming him has something to do with like you disentangle just he's just he's trying. Is that your argument for why I shouldn't blame him? No,

Dan (01:12:40.000)

you disentangle the parts of it that are clear, like there's brain damage here. Yeah. And some of the ideas are okay. And pretty good. Right? I believe that a lot of the stuff that he says that or that's real fucked up and negative, especially the space lizards, the protocols, that sort of stuff. Not great. I think a lot of that comes out of brain damage. I think it's much more clear when you look at him. And most thinking people can look at him and he's like, a believes there are legit shapeshifting space lizards and yeah, yeah, it's much easier to look at him and be like, I'm gonna fucking either not listen to you or discount those parts of you. Whereas, like, a and he's not working towards a specific goal. All right. And I guess self

Jordan (01:13:29.000)

preservation, no self aggrandizement? No, no, no,

Dan (01:13:32.000)

no, not for himself. But for you. He's, like a motivational speaker in many ways, in terms of self actualization, so you're

Jordan (01:13:39.000)

fine with his nonsense, not fine with his nonsense, but you're fine with him as a human being, so long as his nonsense comes from a an altruistic place? No. Is that what you're saying?

Dan (01:13:50.000)

No, because he, I mean, he's a con man in a lot of ways through just the need, because you need to have people throw you money. And, of course, you're a crazy pundit. Yeah, but at any point in his career, he could have done what Alex has done, he could have settled down, done a radio show, and started selling weird supplements, and probably made a fucking killing off it. Instead, he's written a bunch of books, and he's gone out and sub submitted to public scrutiny in a way that most people would not allow. Like, he goes and does lectures and stuff like that, where people mock him and attack him. And just like your Dum Dum, so

Jordan (01:14:33.000)

you admire his Flippa

Dan (01:14:35.000)

somewhat, it's, it's not even just that. It's that. Look, I believe that Alex Jones, what motivates him, in large part does come from mental illness. And it comes from a place of like, deprivation as a child, feeling of feelings of alienation, certainly. Just those sorts of things. Yeah, absolutely. And for summary, Isn't likes are less offensive to me?

Jordan (01:15:04.000)

I don't understand. Like China, I

Dan (01:15:06.000)

did not think we would launch into a defense.

Jordan (01:15:12.000)

That's always my favorite. You know what my favorite conversations are when you wind up defending something where you're like, I don't know if I want to do this. I don't know why I'm doing this somehow I am doing No, I

Dan (01:15:26.000)

do. I do think I do. I do believe so

Jordan (01:15:29.000)

it's a matter of degree of mental illness then that is that what you're describing to me? Well, like he's crazy enough to not be responsible for his acts? Well,

Dan (01:15:38.000)

no, it's not even crazy enough to not be responsible for the actions what I think is this, this might be weird, but it's what popped into my head. And I think I think it might be where I draw the line. Okay. Alex Jones, with a little bit of self awareness, and good decision making, could go to therapy and work through some of these issues. I don't think David I could I think he has brain damage. Okay. And I think that the brain damaged part of him is the part that is, and maybe this is blue sky thinking on my part. Yeah, you know, rose colored glasses. I think that the brain damage is the part that believes in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the part that believes in Jews, space lizards, and what have you. Right. And it would I choose to believe and again, I might be wrong, is that the other part? The pretty empowering, the pretty self actualizing motivational speaker part, right is the part that could have been there all along. But I also don't think that whatever he has going on therapy could ever help. Okay, I believe Alex could be helped. Maybe not now, but in the past at some point. Okay. I think David, like probably hit his head.

Jordan (01:16:53.000)

All right. The, this is a huge conversation to have, you realize how big you just, you just opened this up to you. Okay, so now we're getting into, I mean, like the first thing I thought whenever you were talking about brain damage, and its extent to personal responsibility to

Dan (01:17:13.000)

try and keep this conversation within like, 15.

Jordan (01:17:15.000)

I know, I'm gonna try, but the first thought I had was fucking Aaron Hernandez and Chris Benoit, you know what I'm saying? Which, which is an interesting conversation in as far as like, how, how much can you hold these guys responsible for brain damage? Which is clearly what was going on? Right? Like, there's clearly brain damage. And like any NFL player, yet

Dan (01:17:40.000)

the brain damage did end up murdering people. Exactly.

Jordan (01:17:44.000)

Yeah, like, at a certain point, it's really hard to hold any NFL player accountable for their actions simply because clearly your brain is damaged.

Dan (01:17:53.000)

Can I Can I take a step back and sort of refine the argument? Please do? I think once you're legitimately harming other people that my argument falls apart, right? Because I don't I don't think that I'm speaking specifically in terms of espousing beliefs, right, as opposed to killing your family.

Jordan (01:18:14.000)

Like, there's, there's a slight difference there. There.

Dan (01:18:17.000)

I agree, at least in terms of intensity or valence, right? Like there is a

Jordan (01:18:21.000)

But see, then you get into the then you get into the concept of what ultimately is more damaging. Like, what is what is more damaging somebody with a mental with brain damage, like Chris Benoit, or somebody with brain damage, like Alex Jones, who has influenced so many more people in such a larger negative way? You're right, you're right, as opposed to a smaller, more focused negative,

Dan (01:18:43.000)

you know, what destroys my argument because I'm just reflecting a tiny, me No, and the past the past of our podcast where we documented brain damage on Alex's right, this whole thing falls apart. My I think that

Jordan (01:18:58.000)

I get I get why you're sentimental about it. That's what I hear. It's not sentiment I hear sent it's

Dan (01:19:03.000)

not sentimentality. Okay, it what it is, is I think that David Icke is less noxious. I think that there is more that can be gained from him, then Alex, for sure. Well, because I think if you listen to his lectures right there, I have, I've listened to a bunch of them. And there's a lot of nonsense, right at the same time, there's a bunch of stuff that's like, Oh, it's good, but

Jordan (01:19:25.000)

Well, that's like, I mean, that is also why we have a soft spot for the pen dragons wife and Kerry Cassidy. Right? Right. You know, they're, they're damaging, they're hurtful. But God damn it, if they don't believe that they're good people and act like good people, for the most part. They just espouse such anti semitic ideas.

Dan (01:19:44.000)

You're right. You're like, I

Jordan (01:19:45.000)

don't understand how to reconcile those two, you know?

Dan (01:19:47.000)

Yeah, I think I think in the end, you're probably right. I still want to hold on to whether it's right or wrong, that David Icke is not nearly as bad as Alex and I think

Jordan (01:19:58.000)

on a on a purely stick testicle level. I agree with

Dan (01:20:01.000)

you but also in terms of like, I don't think that David Icke has a goal in mind. That's nefarious, right? I think Alex does whether or not he believes it's nefarious or right. Like, David Icke just wants you to fucking recognize that everything is bullshit. He writes you to like, wake up, right? The TV is brainwashing, right. And stuff like

Jordan (01:20:24.000)

that. We're having a we're having a cop versus Kierkegaard conversation is what we're having right now. Gotcha. More or less. Yeah. Anyway, which is why it's riveting podcasting.

Dan (01:20:35.000)

Now, let me say this. It's appropriate that you and I have embarked on this conversation Goddamnit your transitions are amazing. Go because in this next clip, Alex Jones is struggling with the fact that he agrees with David Icke on so much stuff, because Alex knows that David Icke talks about space lizards, all right, and so this next clip is him just being like, Ah, shit, I agree with

Jordan (01:21:00.000)

him getting close to being like, Oh, am I an idiot?

Dan (01:21:04.000)

Listen to this shit.

Alex Jones (01:21:05.000)

I mean, it's like childhoods. And I'm not saying it's aliens that you're saying it's interdimensional. Whatever it probably I mean, it's just so so obvious. It's out to destroy us if anti human archetype whatever its evil aliens want to get us. I mean, you know, I'm not saying that you're saying that. The point is, is that it doesn't matter.

Dan (01:21:21.000)

So all right. So he's just going back and forth. Like you're saying? Yes, yep.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:28.000)

Yeah. Okay.

Jordan (01:21:29.000)

I believe it's aliens, but I believe it's human alien.

Dan (01:21:34.000)

to a, to a less reasonable extent, that is a facsimile of the conversation we just had.

Jordan (01:21:39.000)

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. They just they haven't they, you gotta give it to some sort of weird, intuitive ethics conversation of like, okay, so long as we're talking about aliens, I can have a reasonable conversation with you. Right? Right. Because that's what it really is with them is like, as long as we are taking it out of the real world, where I don't have any emotional investment in or if I if I don't have a team, you know, if your team is pro human, then you just start talking about reasonable shit. As opposed to you know, which is why which is why science fiction has has always had a an easier time of allegory, you know, and so many direct ones. You know, science fiction is predictive programming to the dreams of a man. Ah, Will Shakespeare what else?

Dan (01:22:36.000)

So, the show goes on there, he has a long interview with David Icke. And, and to be clear, most of it is not really all that worthwhile garbage. It's not garbage. It's fine. It's just it is what it is. It's a David like, but it's David. I expect like putting out his positions and trying to relate it to Trump. Yeah. And it's just, it's not that good. So we move on now to January seventh, the next day, so Thursday, and he has moved on. From his get in line with me misquoting and out, get in line with me. Not a quote and misquote. Yeah. And so here is, here is where he goes the next day.

Alex Jones (01:23:20.000)

It's Thursday, seventh day of January 2016. If the Speaker of the House will not move immediately, to begin impeachment proceedings against Barack Hussein Obama, then we must move to impeach the Speaker of the House because he's aiding and abetting the enemy of this constitutional republic. Huge broadcast lined up for you today. This is back when is veiners zeitgeist of impeachment?

Dan (01:23:44.000)

So a couple of No, this was still Ryan, this is Ryan,

Jordan (01:23:46.000)

how long has he been speaker the house just like a year and a half feels like he's dead by now.

Dan (01:23:51.000)

Well, here's the thing. The only reason I know it's Paul Ryan is because in the narrative that we've been going over with Alex, yeah, Boehner was the speaker right? Alex pretended that all of these Patriot Tea Party types got rid of doubt. And he got Ryan and he knows he's got to play ball. He knows you knows where the power is.

Jordan (01:24:08.000)

Right? And now he's like, Oh, shit. Now he's the same guy. Yeah, he's except dumber, somehow younger and Dumber. Paul Ryan is somehow dumber than John Boehner. Isn't that such a disappointment to all of us under

Dan (01:24:21.000)

kinda knows where the bread butter Yeah, where's Alex does not but all saner, doesn't fake cry. He's just a wussy. Yeah. Whereas Alex in there too. The thing I wanted to point out was the the impeachment Zeitgeist is another one of his attempts to create like a catchphrase. Yeah, like he's doing now with the get tomorrow's

Jordan (01:24:40.000)

news today today or get get next year's news today.

Dan (01:24:43.000)

Well, he does all of it. Various times. Yeah. But that was another attempt to the impeachment Zeitgeist. So that's not good. No, it's gonna come from never gonna catch on. It's gonna cover a couple episodes. This is another thing I wanted to make a supercut of, but I didn't, because it would be too different. called, I bought a switch. So,

Jordan (01:25:05.000)

okay. All right.

Dan (01:25:07.000)

I'm gonna play you this clip. And keep in mind that he says this eight times throughout the show, okay?

Alex Jones (01:25:15.000)

75 times Obama broke the law during his presidency and I'm going to go over this today no matter what happens, and I was reading the 75 this morning, and I had forgotten so many of the blatant caught red stinking handed crime. I mean, it is just over the top.

Dan (01:25:37.000)

So

Jordan (01:25:38.000)

from a constitutional scholar, there's a that guy definitely committed all the crime.

Dan (01:25:43.000)

There's a kick Daniels article I believe, about Obama 75 crimes he committed Well, 75 crimes Alex in that clip says, I'm going to get to this no matter what. He's, he gets through all 75 Do you think he even got to one?

Jordan (01:25:58.000)

UI? I think he says one. Nope. Not even one. Man he should have gotten to one

Dan (01:26:04.000)

Anthony Gucci already supposed to do the fourth hour he calls in six or rob do does it Alex Jones hands off the baton without ever talking about this article. He says over and over again. I'm gonna get to this article here. We're gonna get to this no matter what. I'm going to stay here if I have to the whole time. Never gets to even one note spec tacular. And in there, he says like I was reading this. You didn't fucking read it? Of course not. Now, you just read the headline. So

Jordan (01:26:29.000)

I was reading this? I didn't even remember how many of these so blatantly. I didn't even remember them. First of all, because they did not happen. Second, I did not read this article. And third. I'm Alex Jones.

Dan (01:26:45.000)

Daniels wanted me to pimp this article. So I'm gonna I'm gonna mention it a couple times. If we can get clicks up this kit.

Jordan (01:26:50.000)

Daniel's think he's Martin Luther is 75 crimes. Did he paint them on the wall or something?

Dan (01:26:57.000)

Yeah, might as well. Yeah. So I told you at the beginning of this episode that I watched the live stream of January, sorry, November 4, Antiva. Protests,

Jordan (01:27:10.000)

right? Whenever the Communists took over

Dan (01:27:13.000)

indeed, and there was a lot of 1488 There was a lot of Nazi Nazis messages, a lot of kill the Jews messages in that room. And some of that you got to account to trolls. Certainly, I'm not gonna say that every single one of them was sincere. But boy, it was a lot of people. It was a lot of people. And let's listen to this next clip with that in our mind.

Alex Jones (01:27:37.000)

And man, they are the most evil enemy by the globalist 1000s and 1000s of percentage points. I mean, Hitler. What about him? Was a moral good person compared to these people? And Hitler was super dark, super evil.

Dan (01:28:03.000)

Now, this clip goes on.

Jordan (01:28:06.000)

But you could have picked so many different comparisons. Totally. Why did you choose Hitler? I don't know. Is it because you kind of like Hitler? Well, like every time these guys choose Hitler, it's always to make Hitler look better. He also

Dan (01:28:21.000)

did you notice that he's also doing like, I didn't I don't want to say this before the clip plays but I might as well he's doing a little bit of Hitler apology in this in this clip, of course. I mean, anytime that your rhetoric is like, these people like Hitler is great compared to them. Yeah, it's generally softening. Or I mean, the name of the clip I have here is Alex's soft on Hitler.

Jordan (01:28:47.000)

Just he's a soft no on Hitler. But

Dan (01:28:49.000)

listen to this. Listen to this shit. Oh, God. Also, there's a ton of long pauses, because you can see in his face like, should I be saying Hitler's? Okay. Well, you know, sometimes, like I was feeling it during that David Icke conversation. It's like I've launched into something I probably shouldn't have. I don't know if I have the skills right now to get through this. There's a look on his face of like, I know the point I'm trying to make. But is this live? I don't know. It's the

Jordan (01:29:19.000)

journey, not the destination. And I do not know how I'm gonna get there.

Dan (01:29:23.000)

I'm wondering. And there's a lot of long pauses along the way

Jordan (01:29:26.000)

like Odysseus,

Alex Jones (01:29:28.000)

but Hitler loved the UK. Loved it loved a few other Nordic countries

Alex Jones (01:29:47.000)

liked a group he associated with. He had some love twisted for one group. He loved his dog but enjoyed torturing people to death. He was horrible. globalist hate humanity as a whole there's a long yond Hitler. Beyond Hitler way beyond him, yeah, Hitler, again picked up eugenics technology out of England and the United States. The eugenics should point Genex belief system, good point eugenics, social control, excellent pop eugenics, the real eugenics the past he went far with it. He was told implemented, we back you we support you Rockefeller Foundation, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, all of them. No. Hosted Nazi rallies, hosted Ku Klux Klan rallies, you can pull up pictures of Margaret Sanger hosting giant Nazi rallies with the German bond and America. We've talked about that. They said Hitler up folks, they endorsed him. They didn't

Dan (01:30:50.000)

mince his narrative. Hitler was a false flag. Patsy? Yeah. Wow. Well, I mean, that's, that's, I mean, we've gone over that even like, that's his narrative. That's his narrative, the then globalist maybe the proto globalists.

Jordan (01:31:03.000)

Can't we all just find one thing to agree on. And that's that Hitler was bad, rarely not. There's no unequivocally there's no, we just all like from as a starting point for maybe that's the issue with human beings is we can't even agree on how bad genocide

Dan (01:31:22.000)

is. That's the issue with his chat room. I'll tell you that right now as someone who experienced it, but no, the thing is, what he's talking about is a he's conflating all sorts of things like with, like the Tavistock Institute versus the Tavistock clinic, all these things mixed up. Yep. But with the Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood stuff, like the you can find a picture of her in front of a Klan rally.

Jordan (01:31:47.000)

And she went there and she talked and then she was like,

Dan (01:31:51.000)

No, thank you. Goodbye, because her mission was about women's reproductive rights. And she's like, there are racist women. They still need they're still women. Yeah, they still need, they still need health care. And that is such a fucking crazy misrepresentation of like you were saying through the clip. Yep. There is truth to the idea that Hitler got a lot of ideas from America and the West. Yeah, absolutely. But then to take it to. This is about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger. Right. That's the that's the disingenuous leap. Right. That's the that's the propaganda leap that Alex makes. That's like, that's what we talked about. They get the beginning of the episodes like, yeah, like, you went from a conversation that should be had that should be taught in schools. The idea that Hitler didn't act in a vacuum,

Jordan (01:32:43.000)

right, the idea he didn't come up with hating the Jews by himself?

Dan (01:32:47.000)

No, the ideas existed. Certainly for 1000s of years. Yeah. Because there were many Exodus is through country, it

Jordan (01:32:55.000)

was kind of a man and has really

Dan (01:33:00.000)

hold on. What about the Canaanite? My people? My grandpa was a man in a pack. All right. Did you know that?

Jordan (01:33:08.000)

I didn't know that? Well, he talks about that. Because I thought it would be funny man and

Dan (01:33:13.000)

I it's a good people. Sure. But like, it's it's the it's, it's this fascinating, weird, it's almost, I was gonna try and relate it somehow to the uncanny valley. But that's not not quite work. But like there is this this area where Alex is like, he knows a good point, and then makes it bad, right? There's just like the well, and it goes back to stuff that I keep saying that you disagree with. And and I might disagree with in other other contexts, like, there is the opportunity I see. And, of course, it never has happened and ever will happen. But like, there's the constant opportunity to be the hero, like he could have at any point been like, I see a problem. Yeah. And assessed it more intellectually, actually read the articles that he talks about, how could he but those sorts of things where he could have been like an actually good voice, right, and been like, he could have shaped the skeptic conspiracy community. I know, those are two different communities. But he could have shaped a lot of the perceptions that those people have, in a much more healthy, much more reasonable way. Right. As opposed to the the race baiting the bigotry. The anti liberal bashing that he does now

Jordan (01:34:30.000)

doesn't make as much money and that chick gets you killed. I

Dan (01:34:33.000)

would have gotten killed. No, it would not have made him the money.

Jordan (01:34:36.000)

I was I was thinking more specifically of like, Margaret Sanger went and did talk to the kk k women. Yeah. Not, you know, the men weren't on board. But, but it is like that is an important thing. Totally. With the conversation that was always had during so Many different elections is like, would you have a diplomatic meeting with North Korea with no restrictions or whatever? Would you have a diplomatic meeting? Or fucking Fred Hampton? A? The I mean, if you want to talk about Chicago, the patron saint of Chicago should be Fred Hampton. Yeah. And his genius was, he went and talked to everybody. He went and talked to white supremacist groups. Fred Hampton, Black Panther leader, yeah, went and talked to white supremacist groups. And do you know what he talked about? He talked about shit, the same way that everybody would talk about shit. And the point is that he would communicate with them in a way that they could understand. That is a really important thing. You know, the old adage of like, we don't make peace with our friends, we make peace with our enemies, is very true. And yet at the same time, if you wanted to be a dick, you could pull up a picture of Fred Hampton talking to white supremacists and be like, Look, see, this guy's a white supremacist totally. And like, there's no, there's no win. If you do that, if people are so obsessed with fighting a war, regardless of who it's against, regardless of how many people die, regardless of the loss on how it's fought. Exactly. It's going to be something that you use against them. Yeah, totally. Which is why Kissinger should be killed again. Oh, boy, is he still alive? He's alive. Caleb.

Dan (01:36:29.000)

Also, there's an appropriate analogue in this like timeframe of Alex January 2016. Because he went and he talked to Louis Farrakhan right. And the entire time, it's mostly just trying to score points. I've listened to most of the interview. So spoiler alert, we will go over it. But most of the stuff that Alex ends up playing is the stuff that is like, that makes him look good. And Trump, yeah, he uses it as like a bolstering Trump, right. And so like, that's not legitimate conversation with the people who disagree with you, of course, that's trying to use them as a prop. Now, I'm not here to defend Louis Farrakhan either, like, I'm not I'm not, he's no David Icke.

Jordan (01:37:16.000)

All right, but you kind of know what to say. All right.

Dan (01:37:22.000)

Anyway, let's let's get on to this.

Jordan (01:37:24.000)

I'm a I'm a fan of Khan. I'm a Farrakhan fan. He seems like a nice guy.

Dan (01:37:29.000)

No, in the same way that, you know, David Icke has a bunch of good points. Louis Farrakhan does, too. Absolutely. He espouses a lot of good self reliance points, a lot of self empowerment. Yeah, exactly what I was saying about David Icke white genocide. I'm all for soft on that. But at the same time, he is a crazy anti semitic bigot, which is the same thing as David Icke is

Jordan (01:37:50.000)

I know, we're starting to track a theme. Oh,

Dan (01:37:54.000)

also. I,

Jordan (01:37:57.000)

I, you know, I was aware of it. And I've said this so many times now, it is really hard to get away now, from the knowledge that just about everything these crazy people believe eventually boils down to hating the Jews,

Dan (01:38:14.000)

whether or not that is their primary motivation. It's somewhere in there, and they

Jordan (01:38:18.000)

don't even they don't even necessarily always know that, or they

Dan (01:38:22.000)

don't think it's important that yeah, like, I think that a lot of people, particularly a lot of those folks who were probably in that chat room probably just think it's like, Duh, yeah, of course. Yeah. You hate the Jews or Jews are evil, Jesus, etc. Now, not all Jews, but it's most Jews. That sort of thing. Yeah. But look at this, look at this. So David Icke is on the show, and though I think he has some good points to make about self actualization, all right, all right. All right. He's all for life. He is beholden to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and has a lot of anti semitic beliefs. He is a guest on Alex Jones's show. Now think about the two stunt interviews that Alex has done in the last year of us covering him. There's David Duke, and Louis Farrakhan. Right. What are the two of them have in common? Super against the Jews? Interesting, you know, interesting. I

Jordan (01:39:15.000)

interesting. I really wish the Unabomber was still around, because he would be an amazing guest on influencers, anti semitic. Who cares? He would be an amazing guest on Infowars. Right. I think Alex and he would have been an incredible guest on Infowars.

Dan (01:39:30.000)

Alex is distrustful of social media, although he loves to use it and brag about his numbers loves people in

Jordan (01:39:36.000)

the middle of nowhere. strew on the lam Unabomber knew where to hide his fucking guns. I'll tell you that right

Dan (01:39:43.000)

away and he's living on the land. That's important because he was also living on the land. He was, but But it's more important that he's on the land. Yeah. Because we're about to get to another interview. There's a guy named Joel Skousen. Who's on the show now

Jordan (01:39:59.000)

not a fan. under his name, no. No man housing or whatever it is, man, cow man. Mandelson mantle, is it

Dan (01:40:06.000)

the right Lord Mandelson the right Lord Mandelson. So Joel Skousen comes on the show. And ostensibly the interview is about the Bundys. Because at this point in January of 2016, this is when they were occupying, taken over the wildlife refuge.

Jordan (01:40:25.000)

None of there was only one guy killed, right?

Dan (01:40:27.000)

Yeah, there was that. Finnegan or something like that? Yeah, I remember his name. But yeah, there's one bit but it was it was his fault. I imagine it was his fault.

Jordan (01:40:37.000)

No, it was so his fault. But imagine if Native Americans had taken over they would all have been dead. They would all have been murdered or sofa

Dan (01:40:46.000)

or at least way more of them seriously injured. Yeah, like I mean, take death

Jordan (01:40:50.000)

out of there would have been no, no negotiation, right? It would have been a shit ton of cops. So

Dan (01:40:54.000)

that's what we come back to over and over again, is the idea of white behavior being like, and then minority behavior being criminalized? Absolutely. That's you look at the difference between how the Bundy Ranch, not the ranch, the standoff at the wildlife preserve how that was treated versus the the people at the pipeline, the Native Americans the pipeline and the people at the Wildlife Preserve, they let them hang out there and check and do whatever for like a week. I know that I don't even remember how long it lasted

Jordan (01:41:26.000)

no one no one at the pipeline had a gun. No one at the pipeline had a gun.

Dan (01:41:32.000)

And that's why they got hosed. Should they have had a shit ton of guns? No, nothing would have

Jordan (01:41:36.000)

been killed? Are we leaning towards maybe everybody should have guns?

Dan (01:41:40.000)

No, I don't think so. Because that it's a fallacy that that helps. Yeah, I know. Because if you is with everybody should have white skinned minorities. It leads to escalation. Yeah. With white people. It's like, calm down. Everybody calm down. All right.

Jordan (01:41:53.000)

Be new plan be cool, most practical plan. All right. You know, the skin color cram? Yeah. You know how it's white skin color. Right. Okay. Let's just draw white skin on

Dan (01:42:09.000)

everybody talking about a scandal that happened in the fucking early 90s.

Jordan (01:42:13.000)

I know, look, and like No, almost no time. I know that that was a horrible decision. I know that the dove advertising campaign wherein they were hugely racist. Paul, Joseph Watson had an interesting report about that. I can't imagine how you would say the word interesting. And have it make sense.

Dan (01:42:29.000)

It wasn't good. So anyway, Joel Skousen is on. And they're talking about the Bundys.

Jordan (01:42:36.000)

Yeah, let's just move past my white face idea. Right.

Dan (01:42:38.000)

So here is where he says something that is in the vein of Roger Stone wanting to regulate Twitter. And apparently David Knight has now come out talking about regulating Facebook.

Jordan (01:42:49.000)

Excellent. Those are good ideas, and we should apply them to the tech industry as a whole. And that wait, no, they didn't say that? No,

Joel Skousen (01:42:56.000)

of course not. And I think that's what ranchers needs so that water rights cannot be taken away that diminished arbitrarily by the BLM. If they were to come out with a proposal like this, saying, This is what we want, and then stand down. They would have the high ground, people would say, yeah, they're not a bunch of crazies.

Dan (01:43:15.000)

Well, they are crazy. But what he's what he's espousing is largely unionization. Yeah. Or regulating? Yep. Those. And it goes back to the same thing we see over and over again. I'm against this intel it until it touches me when it touches me. book you. Yeah, it's so it's like, it's nonsense. And the argument is incredibly difficult for us to have because, sure, like our position is, right. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. We don't teamsport it. No. And it's like, it's like the farmers being able to get together and unionize for shared interest makes total sense. Oh, of course, Monsanto should be burned to the ground. Absolutely. Yeah. We're not against that in any way. I'm not against even the idea of of having regulation about what the government can regulate, right? In terms of water rights, or land rights or anything like that. But they are, like

Jordan (01:44:18.000)

principle until it bothers them.

Dan (01:44:20.000)

Right. And that's so frustrating, because it's not a conversation you can have. It's the same thing where like, if Alex Jones were to listen to this podcast and come at us, there would be so much you guys support Hillary and your dams, your dumb liberals and stuff like

Jordan (01:44:35.000)

that. And we'd be like, Did you listen to the show? Were liberals Sure.

Dan (01:44:39.000)

But you know, it's it. We're we're too slippery and nuanced to fight back against a concrete

Jordan (01:44:49.000)

thing we don't do. It's the idea of a it's so that's one of the big things that that always gets to me is like regulation is bad until it bothers me. Yeah. And which case regulation is good? Like, hey the people

Dan (01:45:06.000)

when when regulation works in your favor like right hey, you think things are fair? Oh, it's

Jordan (01:45:11.000)

great. It's all right.

Dan (01:45:12.000)

Do dumb good liberal. Snowflake.

Jordan (01:45:16.000)

Yeah, yeah, it's it's always they they, the the demonization of progressives is a million fold. And that's mainly because every part of that demonization is obfuscating what it is we actually stand for, right? Like with Antifa. Totally, you can't be against Antifa they're against fascism, right? Their name, anti fascism,

Dan (01:45:47.000)

the only way to be against it is to create a straw man basically of

Jordan (01:45:52.000)

or, and, and you can imply that their name is ill advised. Like, in Australia, the Liberal Party is our conservatives. Right? You know, that kind of a thing? Right? It's

Dan (01:46:02.000)

the same thing in Sweden, right?

Jordan (01:46:04.000)

Exactly. Yeah. But it's, it's so long as you don't know, what we believe how what we will believe will affect you, and so on and so forth. So long as you combine us with the communists from Soviet Russia, so long as you combine this with all of these things. And so long as it sounds like it makes sense, you will believe anything that damages yourself totally. When it finally does damage you. All of a sudden, you're like, you know, real progressives have some good ideas, and zapped when they apply to anything other than when they apply to me. Like, well, no, Laurier

Dan (01:46:41.000)

but also Intel, like a depression happens. Well,

Jordan (01:46:46.000)

it turns out everybody really liked the New Deal whenever they couldn't eat. Yeah, it's crazy. How democratic socialism kicked ass whenever people starve to death.

Dan (01:46:56.000)

Yep. Amazing. An important lesson. Amazing. Totally.

Jordan (01:47:00.000)

It's a good thing. We learned it. Yeah. Wait, what? I'm sorry, man. I wrote Sandra Bullock snotty?

Dan (01:47:08.000)

So we got, we got Joel Skousen. Trying to make this this argument. That's fine. I mean, you know, we we wrestle a little bit with hearing an argument we're kind of okay with in that context, but it's our it's our Achilles heel. Yeah. So Joel Skousen has some other things that he has to say on this episode. And him and Alex get into having a conversation about selling weapons into Syria. And okay, the take on it is interesting, because Alex's whole narrative is that Hillary has a digital Dropbox and what have you, these are back in the glory days of the digital Dropbox. And she basically is just selling arms to whoever wants to buy them, anybody. And Joel Skousen has a slightly different take on it that I think is interesting. And I actually maybe kind of agree with him. If I can make one caveat that I will at the end of this clip, okay.

Joel Skousen (01:48:07.000)

They're getting old decommissioned missiles. Listen, these things are locked away tied to them and drum and old military bases in the US they have to be trans shipped out of there across the ocean or turkey or Saudi Arabia. I mean, who's kidding? Who that they simply

Alex Jones (01:48:22.000)

did it through through the State Department, the Pentagon wouldn't?

Joel Skousen (01:48:26.000)

Well, I'm not saying that Hillary would know what's going on in the dark side government. I mean, she's a puppet of the dark side, but you know, typically Obama or Hillary or even George W. Bush didn't know what the dark side of government was doing. I mean, this is too dangerous to let Politico's know about, you know, Dark Side operations, they need plausible deniability.

Dan (01:48:47.000)

So Joel Skousen, when confronted with the idea that Hillary is selling weapons

Jordan (01:48:54.000)

goes immediately to Deep State nonsense.

Dan (01:48:56.000)

Well, but Alex does Deep State nonsense too, but right Joel Skousen his argument is come on man. No, of course not she right know about that stuff. Now here's the caveat. It's dangerous for all of us if she knows about it, you know who it's not dangerous for though. Alex Jones Blackwater? That's a caveat I would make

Jordan (01:49:17.000)

interesting point.

Dan (01:49:19.000)

Seeing that Eric Prince and Blackwater have both both organization and the guy who runs organization Yeah, have been monster and monstrous have been fingered in terms of running weapons into countries where it's illegal to sell them right and ultimately guilty of atrocities and slaughtering civilians. Absolutely. It makes sense. Like,

Jordan (01:49:40.000)

added clitoris is half an inch higher than you think it's going to be you're just pushing up the urethra quarter. You're just pushing up against the urethra.

Dan (01:49:48.000)

Okay, you mispronounce that urethra,

Jordan (01:49:51.000)

but apologies.

Dan (01:49:52.000)

I'd like a written apology.

Jordan (01:49:54.000)

Well write an apology to put

Dan (01:49:59.000)

so Like, what I'm what I'm hearing from that clip. If you take away the premise that is ton, like the government is selling these missiles to all these countries, right, if you just let that sit for a second, right, his idea that Hillary wouldn't know about that stuff that you know, people got to be protected from that in terms of plausible deniability. Yes. Politicians are puppets blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that stuff? I definitely. I agree. I don't think that Reagan necessarily knew everything that was going on in Iran Contra.

Jordan (01:50:32.000)

I don't know if Reagan knew, at that

Dan (01:50:35.000)

point at that point, anything but you don't. I'm saying like, even if you had all his faculties, right. I don't I don't think that he would have been

Jordan (01:50:43.000)

like, yeah, the people who are like he didn't he showed early signs of dementia in offices. You're like, Oh, do you mean he was fucking insane? Because that's what it sounds like. You mean, right. Right. Anyways, I

Dan (01:50:54.000)

guess. But like, of course, of course, there are factions at play and stuff.

Jordan (01:51:00.000)

Doesn't that seem just to like a movie, though? Like the idea of that history sort

Dan (01:51:05.000)

of bears that out? No, that is the frustrating part.

Jordan (01:51:08.000)

Yeah.

Dan (01:51:09.000)

There do seem to be like, I mean, the CIA in in JFK times. Right. In terms of trying to recruit Well, Ty Castro Cuban and they tried to kill Castro like 300 times. Yeah, absolutely. And JFK was not necessarily aware of all of those efforts. There were machinations behind too busy fucking totally too busy. Fuck What who could blame him? He was a playboy.

Jordan (01:51:34.000)

That's a That's a good question, Dan. Yeah. But one of the great questions of our time Sure. Who killed? Who killed Jr. The only question I could pick. It was Maggie Simpson.

Dan (01:51:52.000)

Everybody does. I was trying to think of like also from that era type question. I don't remember when. All before I was born.

Jordan (01:52:04.000)

I love the fact that we're weird enough to pull out a Dallas reference, which was 20 years before we were born.

Dan (01:52:12.000)

Yeah, yeah. But it made its mark, you know, much like save the cheerleaders save the world did people making that reference? 20 years from now? That's true. No, they won't. I doubt it. But like, look, I don't know. Maybe I'm trying to gild the lily a little bit just so I can make my argument that I think what Joel Skousen is talking about is Blackwater. Like, are those sorts of sort of military contractor? It seems like those would be the people who have access to high grade munitions and when which

Jordan (01:52:39.000)

is their entire, which is the entire point of their existence is they are not under federal oversight. So you can it's like money laundering scam, totally the same thing, but with guns at hand, if

Dan (01:52:51.000)

Joel Skousen is saying Hillary wouldn't be involved in this. Who would? That's the next question. A real journalist would ask Alec stuff, right? He just wants to go back to Hillary like,

Jordan (01:53:02.000)

okay, so if Hillary wasn't involved with this, how was Hillary involved with this? And she was totally involved in this.

Dan (01:53:12.000)

Are you trying to tell me the digital Dropbox was for cat videos? actual answer me actually. Yeah,

Jordan (01:53:18.000)

actually. Yeah, those are hilarious. That's

Dan (01:53:21.000)

all 33,000 of the emails that got deleted.

Jordan (01:53:23.000)

Have you seen Have you seen the small cat who when you rub his belly he's like so close and then you go away? And it's like, wasn't the cat named socks? Okay, socks the cat the one who plays the piano know that tiny little kitten that did that thing?

Dan (01:53:36.000)

I pretty sure Bill Clinton's cat was socks. probably dead by now though. It's been years. Not a not according to the deep state. Anyway, this is the end of our time with Joel Skousen because the rest of it is mostly about like a frustrating name.

Jordan (01:53:49.000)

I don't I like it. I don't like it. I like it sounds nefarious automatically. It sounds like scowl. Yes. Gaussian.

Dan (01:53:55.000)

You want to put an L in there and I don't think there is 1000

Jordan (01:53:59.000)

I think it has just too much of a German flavor for me like Skousen like, Ooh, boy, but he belongs

Dan (01:54:05.000)

in this category of Infowars guests. And man, it sucks because I'm saying like some stuff that you're going to clown on me for. The listeners aren't gonna like, Oh, Dan,

Jordan (01:54:15.000)

you know, I don't count on you for

Dan (01:54:17.000)

i don't i When Joel Skousen is on the show, I mostly tune out. He's not really that bad. In terms of his beliefs. He has a lot of like dumb geopolitical ideas and stuff like that. In terms of like, like red flags about like people like Matt Bracken has red flags all over it. Whenever he shows up. I'm like, I gotta listen. And he always is like, oh, shit, right? I realized this. This actually pisses me off. Yeah, about myself. Okay, well, on our last episode, we talked about Matt Brackens appearance on the show, and he Brax and I talked about how that is what media matters should be talking about more than the Linda Sarsour Of course not, of course. And I realized when I went back and listened to it that I forgot to play a clip. And I don't have the clip. Okay, but I could go get it. And now I can't because time's up, right? We're recording right now.

Jordan (01:55:11.000)

It's too late.

Dan (01:55:12.000)

I'll get it on the next episode binary. Well, maybe you can find it if you just go listen to the episode, but I That's Alex Jones tricks you no one listening is gonna know

Jordan (01:55:21.000)

it's gonna go back and listen to an Alex Jones episode.

Dan (01:55:25.000)

One of the things that motivated me to be like this is so much more bigoted than the Linda Sarsour stuff. Yes. Was that Matt Bracken got into fucking that going hard about the over breeding and the idea that white people are going to be bred

Jordan (01:55:42.000)

anytime somebody says breeding. That's bad. That's bad. He nobody should ever say breeding.

Dan (01:55:47.000)

He was making the argument that liberals are mad and Islamist should be mad. Because this guy went and ran a truck into people. When if you just chill out, we're gonna out breed them. That sort of thing as like, boy. Great. Not not tasty, not tasty as an argument. So there are people like that, like Matt bracken. Yeah, and then there are people like, like David Icke, where I'm like, Alright, I dig you crazy, but rare, but also arm's distance here, silly cat. And then on June on January 7, here you have Joel Skousen. And like, I think he's wrong about a lot of stuff. Yeah. But also, no, I don't hate him. He's just sort of a nebulous concept. Whereas like Harry, Harry Dent, or or Schiff, Peter Schiff, right, are terrible. No. Later, later, Max Keiser is going to show up. And I think I might like Mexico here.

Jordan (01:56:40.000)

Okay. I understand where you're coming from, I know wrestling with this. No, I know, I'm struggling. Here's the problem. The bar is so low. Exactly. Yeah, you're you're in a world where all you have to do to be a centrist is just not hate the Jews so loud, right? Like, that's, that's your world. So, or mind your narratives, right? And that's why and that's why you know, me and all of the rest of us who don't listen to Alex Jones every single day can cloud on you over being Dan, the centrist right now. Not least of which, because you love guns and want everybody to have them. I don't want everybody you're here even against white genocide, which I think is the most centrist position that you can have. So so it is kind of a situation where your perspective will always be warped, true by the relative, horrific pneus of Alex Jones's guests.

Dan (01:57:39.000)

Yeah, that is definitely fair. So it's

Jordan (01:57:43.000)

No, nobody's clowning on. Like they're because they dislike you. It's just we live in different perspective, there

Dan (01:57:49.000)

is no counting for like, the fact that we've been doing this for now. Little over 10 4000

Jordan (01:57:56.000)

hours.

Dan (01:57:58.000)

We're about to hit that dude.

Jordan (01:58:01.000)

Well is gonna jerk off to us.

Dan (01:58:03.000)

So but like, we've been going over this and most weirdest thing I've ever said most. That's not what most of the time we like, we go over these episodes. And I don't even include the portions that are like Paul Joseph Watson being full of shit, and stuff like that. So you guys who are listening, and you Jordan don't realize the vitriol that in the show? No,

Jordan (01:58:25.000)

Dan, I am more than I am more than aware that sometimes you are out to protect me.

Dan (01:58:32.000)

So Joel Skousen is okay, but

Jordan (01:58:35.000)

also protecting the show so I don't yell for 14 contiguous minutes.

Dan (01:58:40.000)

So but I guess my point in that is also preparatory because in a little bit, we will get to Max Keiser, right. He there's an interview with him at the end of the show that I think is fascinating. It's mostly about him being in favor of Bitcoin, and Alex being like, we don't know enough facts, right. And like Max coin, well, this I think, is actually I'm not sure Premax coin not sure when Max coin started, he doesn't pimp it at all. He just okay. He just talks about how like cryptocurrencies are they've shown themselves in terms of Yeah, and he's like, I don't know why you don't trust it, Alex.

Jordan (01:59:15.000)

I think I'm I think I'm on his side. I think cryptocurrency makes sense. And at the same time, I'm not going to switch over to cryptocurrency anytime soon. On paper,

Dan (01:59:24.000)

like a lot of work on paper. It does exist, or it does. It does seem to work. I am I'm also not going to change, right, I will change I would change over if more things that were convenient in my life. were irrelevant.

Jordan (01:59:40.000)

And you've just explained all of human history right there.

Dan (01:59:43.000)

Right? Like, I don't like Amazon, but I use it because no, I despise him as I hate apple, but I have a fucking iPhone.

Jordan (01:59:51.000)

See, I don't Yeah, like I don't use Amazon. I don't use Uber or any of those things like I hate corporations. And I do have I have an iPhone and I shouldn't. But I can't. Like there's a part of me that I don't want to Samsung, I can't survive without an iPhone. I

Dan (02:00:06.000)

don't want to fucking zoom.

Jordan (02:00:08.000)

I'm in the ecosystem. I've got a MacBook Pro. I've got an iPhone, I've got an iPad, like I can't escape, right? All my stuff is there.

Dan (02:00:15.000)

I hate Facebook, but we have a Facebook page, Twitter, but we're on Twitter. Social media is the devil but you make a deal with it on some level.

Jordan (02:00:24.000)

Personally. Personally, I have not been happier since when I left Facebook and Twitter

Dan (02:00:30.000)

totally. And I don't use my personal account really at all. And I'm much happier than back when I would look through people's posts. Of course, why you hooked on that you son? Of course. Yeah. But also that has to do with leaving comedy to

Jordan (02:00:43.000)

a certain point. I used to care about that. And then I started going through lineups, and I was like, Oh, I no longer like I used to feel jealousy and I no longer feel jealousy. Yeah, anyways, we need to get out of common no idea.

Dan (02:00:57.000)

So that all that is a bizarre reaction to me saying that Joel Skousen isn't that bad? And maybe he is,

Jordan (02:01:06.000)

and I just haven't heard it. I think we got I think we got to the bottom of it.

Dan (02:01:08.000)

It's possible that he's a monster and I just don't know it. I'm gonna give you that caveat. But let's move on.

Jordan (02:01:13.000)

He's statistical likelihood. He's a monster.

Dan (02:01:18.000)

It seems like most of his arguments are about prepping. Yeah. Which I'm okay with doomsday prepping. Yeah, as long as you're not crazy. I'm okay with it. You should have water in the house. Those guys seem right. You should have water and you should have some sort of food. Yeah, supply. Like when I was growing up, we had a basement. And my parents had a bit of food supply down there and some bottled water y2k My family water. Okay, your your family is crazy. But like for my family, it was more like about the idea that we lived in Missouri, and there were tons of tornadoes, right. And we might have to hang out in the basement for a week or something like that. It's good preparation. And for for no matter what, no matter what, it's good to be prepared. scoutship theoretically, yeah, it gets weird. Whenever you're like, I'm gonna build bombs,

Jordan (02:02:07.000)

when it becomes central to your identity, that's when it becomes trouble.

Dan (02:02:13.000)

Or if it's like, it impedes you from the lifestyle that you would otherwise be living, right. Like when you spend all your money on it all your time you make your family do stuff they're uncomfortable with, because I watch that show a bunch. And well, at the same time. It's a prepper show is mostly about like bad marriages. That's what it's mostly about.

Jordan (02:02:35.000)

I mean, at a certain point,

Dan (02:02:37.000)

it's mostly about sad wives. Overly motivated husbands,

Jordan (02:02:41.000)

it's just another it's just another like, super weird dad kind of behavior to you know, the guy who's super into cars, is only slightly less insane than the guy who's super into doomsday prep, but

Dan (02:02:54.000)

at the same time, like, there's not. I know there is I mean, being able to fix a car is great, and being able to have, like a kernel of a supply. if shit goes bad. It's all great. It's all healthy impulses gone bad. And maybe that's what this whole show is generally about.

Jordan (02:03:14.000)

That's probably what it is.

Dan (02:03:16.000)

So let's get to this next clip because Max Keiser doesn't show up for a little bit.

Jordan (02:03:19.000)

Welcome back to healthy impulses gone bad.

Dan (02:03:23.000)

I'm gonna drink this vodka. So in this next clip, Alex Jones laments that he didn't stop Obama, that fucking guy.

Alex Jones (02:03:31.000)

What's weird is I'm up here saying how bad they are. And it sounds like it's cartoonish. Like I'm making it up. But it's not because you're worse than I'm saying. I had it myself. I don't have words to describe you. Evil Obama is and how mad I am. That I didn't try to stop him getting elected. I'm just I am a pathetic liberal. I'm just a gullible idiot. I'll be honest with you. I wanted to see a black guy get elected compared to John McCain and thought, oh, maybe he would bring people together. I mean, I knew the globalist wanted to divide and conquer us, but not true. The hype and all the love. I mean, I was against Obama. Oh,

Jordan (02:04:12.000)

that doesn't try. I just

Alex Jones (02:04:14.000)

wasn't against him enough.

Jordan (02:04:15.000)

That doesn't track either. And I'm telling

Alex Jones (02:04:17.000)

you, I'm not getting fooled again, man. These people are evil.

Dan (02:04:20.000)

I won't get fooled again. Like that, that that like rambling brain trail that he went down is so racist.

Jordan (02:04:34.000)

I wasn't against Obama. I mean, I hated him. And I didn't vote for him. But I wasn't I wasn't against enough.

Dan (02:04:40.000)

But also the like, I have I have been, you know, dyed in the wool my entire life into liberal positions. Yeah, that's not and that whole, that whole premise of you grew up and you become more conservative. Yeah. I don't feel that at

Jordan (02:04:57.000)

all. You and I, you and I were raised from very different styles. luck will certainly

Dan (02:05:00.000)

but be that as it may it doesn't matter because right did come from like dickweed weird conservative cult family

Jordan (02:05:09.000)

How dare you be accurate?

Dan (02:05:12.000)

And I came from a religious but also liberal right like they were Christian they were super Christian but right ever not liberal

Jordan (02:05:21.000)

they were the type of Christian that Christ would have enjoyed.

Dan (02:05:24.000)

I think that my dad would like you saying that I hope you listen to this episode, maybe not the David Icke part but but like that to me, I always have had a diverse set of friends and I've always kept people in my life even that I disagree with Yeah, do to a point when it became fighting and shit like that, of course not gonna hang out with you anymore. Hey,

Jordan (02:05:50.000)

if if it's destructive mail on it, but all

Dan (02:05:53.000)

the Liberals that I knew around the time that Obama got elected, yes, not a one of them to a man or a woman was like, I want to see a black guy in there. They might have subconsciously thought that, you

Jordan (02:06:09.000)

know, there's a certain part of me that wants to disagree. Because it was

Dan (02:06:15.000)

never a selling point. I don't know, outside of this is not something that Alex would say. And I think it is a reasonable selling in terms of race. Yeah, just the idea of children seeing a black president right, black children seeing someone who conforms to their perception of self right, opens up a wide window of oh, I this is something that has never been a possibility for me. And now it is, of course, that's meaningful psychologically. That's not what Alex is talking. No, of course not. That's the extent that I ever heard any sort of like, let's get a black guy in there. Right. Whereas Alex is talking about it in terms of divide and conquer race baiting course. I want to see a black guy in there, maybe, maybe that'll calm the blacks down.

Jordan (02:07:06.000)

I mean, that's what he's saying. Yeah. That is He is saying that if you voted for Obama, what you are voting for is pacifying black people. Which is not a good position to take

Dan (02:07:20.000)

on some level. That is what he said. And then he's saying, like,

Alex Jones (02:07:24.000)

I look, I love the love,

Dan (02:07:26.000)

but fuck, what am I gonna do with this? I wasn't for Obama. Wasn't our didn't fight hard enough. Like that just struggle in his brain of like, he doesn't know what to do. Like, because at the beginning of this episode, he called for his impeachment. Right? He called for Paul Ryan's impeachment. Right? Because he won't Impeach Obama,

Jordan (02:07:48.000)

right? Like sounds as crazy as

Dan (02:07:50.000)

I do. He's no, because your craziness at least is all focused in the same direction. Like Alex is all over the place. Like he's trying to make penance in some way in this in this for being like, not against Obama enough. But look, I got duped I got great.

Jordan (02:08:07.000)

But if you don't actually believe in anything, fair enough, then it it has to be like that is that is kind of a fascinating headspace to get into that. You can't really process if you're not that. Like, yeah, exactly. Yeah, but that's why like, I watched all of that one fucking Netflix show or like mind Hunter, or whatever it is. Oh, probably no, I watched all of that shit too. But it is it is like, the reason that it's so fascinating is because the 99% of us are 9085 or 84% of us who aren't psychopaths are it's fascinating. Like how do you get into that headspace? What is it like if you're that person? What is it like if you don't really believe in anything? Burb?

Dan (02:08:59.000)

is trying to do? I'm trying to do a Durst and you know, you're really struggling. You're really

Jordan (02:09:03.000)

strapped to a fake burps he's got an automatic not good. It's not good.

Dan (02:09:07.000)

So I agree. I mean, I think that's the fascination with true crime shows to the extent of like worse men our culture is that and on a sick level, it is also the what reality TV is. But unfortunately, it's self reinforcing. Right? Because those reality shows are like we're watching people be artificial sociopaths. They're getting paid a bunch of money to act like that.

Jordan (02:09:31.000)

Or they're not getting paid a bunch of money. And they're just getting publicity to act like

Dan (02:09:36.000)

no, but then they get paid a bunch of money to show up at a bar for that trip private. Yeah, that's true. Like if I could go on some fucking show and then end up getting 35 grand to show up at a bar. Yeah, that's amazing.

Jordan (02:09:47.000)

You know, it's crazy. I like the real word Road Rules challenge do Yeah. So do all the

Dan (02:09:52.000)

$5,000 to show up at a

Jordan (02:09:54.000)

bar all of the Jersey Shore we got a party I was almost on Married at First Sight. That's a true story.

Dan (02:10:01.000)

Hold on. Yeah. Well, this is the rest of the

Jordan (02:10:05.000)

what do you talk? It's not it's not a super interesting story. I was on a strongly disagree I was so no. So

Dan (02:10:14.000)

when I show where you'd have to get married to someone you just met. Yeah. Why did you sign up for this? Cuz that's the more interesting story.

Jordan (02:10:22.000)

I didn't sign up for it. I was recruited. Wow, I was on. I was on the Okay, Cupid's. Sure. And so all of a sudden, I started talking to this one girl. Lady woman. Turns out reality show recruiter? Hell yeah. We were having

Dan (02:10:42.000)

she didn't make that clear from the first message

Jordan (02:10:45.000)

horse. Not

Dan (02:10:45.000)

that subterfuge.

Jordan (02:10:47.000)

Oh, absolutely. No, we started talking. She made me do this whole audition video and all this shit. And I was I was at a point in my life where I was like, You know what, fuck it. Well, I'm bored.

Dan (02:10:58.000)

Sure, no, right. I get that impulse,

Jordan (02:11:01.000)

that impulse plane to me that the reason that I was not cast was because I was a comedian. And they thought I would fuck with them. And I was like, you nailed it. Yeah, there is no way I would have taken this seriously. And I would have fucked with you guys the whole time. Well, I mean,

Dan (02:11:18.000)

I think the like, the good news is that show didn't work. So it even if you had signed up, it would be embarrassing. It would be hilarious to me. It would be embarrassing in hindsight, because I like funniest shit. Like if you had signed it, like on fully and below yeah. And I want to I want to do this No, no chance. I got an email out of the blue from some producers that they were trying to do a like, like, they're like, Hey, we're gonna do a new version of the guy code and girl code. Those MTV two shows, right? Gather

Jordan (02:11:50.000)

like, real real cool. Like,

Dan (02:11:52.000)

what are you like? Let's do a video audition. So like a Skype going and if I had it now I have these fucking webcams. Right? Perfect. Right? But my like, my fucking laptop computer. I just looked grainy and shit. And they're like this. This video is not good. I'm like, sorry. Yeah, it's what I got. You're right. And so they were asking me like, What pisses you off about women? I'm like, I don't like the question.

Jordan (02:12:24.000)

Currently, currently, you

Dan (02:12:26.000)

are medias like the show is not gonna catch on. I look like a crazy person and I am not playing ball.

Jordan (02:12:33.000)

I is no good. I did with one of the hosts of the guy code well, but

Dan (02:12:37.000)

there are a couple of good people on there like John Gay Burris is amazing. Yeah, he's fucking hilarious. Not that guy. Mateo was on there our friend Matteo lame,

Jordan (02:12:45.000)

not that guy. All right.

Dan (02:12:48.000)

I don't remember who else is on there.

Jordan (02:12:49.000)

You don't need to know great. I don't name name but there are people

Dan (02:12:53.000)

who are on those shows who are actually really talented. It's not their fault. The show sucks of course but also it is embarrassing when this person is like oh, it was from the E Network right? He was trying to get their own version of that right like what first of all why the fuck are you talking to me? Why did you send me an email out of the blue? I'm not i You fucking can find a picture of a you know what? I looked like a little bit weird. You know what I look like and I have fucking hundreds of hours of me talking into a microphone. You probably don't know.

Jordan (02:13:22.000)

Hey, if you cast me for your reality show just so you know when people Google me shits gonna get wild.

Dan (02:13:28.000)

This might have been before we started this podcast but be that as

Jordan (02:13:31.000)

I didn't mean just you and me. I meant your entire podcast over

Dan (02:13:36.000)

that's not on the internet anymore. Actually, it is down there. But be that as it may. There's been a wonderful glance down memory. Yeah.

Jordan (02:13:45.000)

Where are we talking about Alex Jones. I forgot about it

Dan (02:13:49.000)

but but this is our version of Alex being like I've been in big movies

Dan (02:13:58.000)

that's our like, that's our we've talked Yeah, showbiz that. You're almost on a dope marriage reality show. That's,

Jordan (02:14:06.000)

that's exactly what it is. Except for a good. We're reality. We're reality based. So this is fucking stupid. Why would we have ever done this? Yeah, not not

Dan (02:14:17.000)

like I had the opportunity to know. They asked me to do it. No, no, there was fucking stupid. Dumb.

Jordan (02:14:24.000)

We made fun of it. It was a bad idea. Frankly, maybe if I had lied about being a comic, I would have been on Married at First Sight. And I would be the biggest comic in the world.

Dan (02:14:35.000)

Oh, and if I had had a better webcam, and I had been like, Let me roll with the questions as opposed to being myself right. Maybe I would have made $1,000 And then the show never would have aired. You just explained

Jordan (02:14:47.000)

why we're never going to be successful. Maybe if we hadn't been ourselves.

Dan (02:14:54.000)

That's why we're here. Exactly. So in this next clip, Alex Jones talks a bit about More about the Nation of Islam because he went and visited Farrakhan. And he says something that I staunchly disagree with. So

Jordan (02:15:11.000)

if theory, or perhaps postulate or we begin hypothesis, if Farrakhan had flattered, Alex, how would that have gone? He did.

Dan (02:15:23.000)

Oh, shit. I think it's in this next clip.

Alex Jones (02:15:28.000)

I was inside of the Nation of Islam, one of their main headquarters, and I probably talked to 20 men, and they were like, I liked the show last week, like what you love? I mean, it's like, and then they turn a computer on Alex Jones is when it oh, excuse us. And you're like, well, well, what? People like What do you mean, I like to think of Islam, they're anti semitic, whatever, whatever. We can reach out to them and get them to come out against the New World Order. And we agree with them about vaccines, that doesn't matter. The point is, we've even got the Nation of Islam. Listening every day and in foreign governments and everything else. It's amazing.

Dan (02:16:01.000)

So let's unpack that. All right. Let's unpack that.

Jordan (02:16:07.000)

The it takes so little

Dan (02:16:11.000)

for Alex Jones Salafi? Well, but that that like that version of things is it's like, hey, who cares? They're anti somatic. Yeah.

Jordan (02:16:19.000)

No, don't worry about it. Now. I

Dan (02:16:20.000)

want to juxtapose that with my supportive David Icke that I was talking about earlier.

Jordan (02:16:26.000)

I really wish you wouldn't call it supportive David Icke I only did you could only call it a soft spot for Dale he did for reference, I would respect soft spot for David I,

Dan (02:16:35.000)

I do I do stick then I do stop just short of support. Yes. But like, David Icke is not legitimately anti semitic. He is beholden to anti semitic ideas, and metaphorically, spits out some rhetoric. He is a not as dispenser. Yes, yes. But he is not someone who is like the Jews are evil. Farrakhan is right. And the Nation of Islam has had that tradition. pretty hardcore. Yeah. And so the difference here, where Alex is like, who cares if they're anti semitic? That's like, that's bad. That's very bad. Right. Whereas for me when I say, look, David Icke has brain clearly has brain damage. And he believes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and what have you, when I say that? It's less, who cares about that? It's more, let's look at this in context, right? If he actually was coming out and being like, Fuck these Jews, then it'd be, then there would be no soft spot. That wouldn't be great. Whereas Alex, it's like who? They like me? Yeah, they like me. Yeah. And you hear that clip? It's totally clear what happened, right? They had people put up Infowars on their browsers.

Jordan (02:17:53.000)

Oh, yeah. And I'm like, oh, no, hold on. Because you know, what? Do you know what that's called? That's called fucking research.

Unknown Speaker (02:18:00.000)

It's called compromise.

Jordan (02:18:01.000)

If you do it. You'll wind up tricking people. It's called

Dan (02:18:04.000)

compromising somebody through flattery. Yeah. And that's the easiest trick is like, oh, no, excuse me. Oh, let me close out of these tabs. No, and happens to be an article about how you're amazing. Oh, who would have guessed? Oh, my God, you got you guys over there. You're breaking all the big news. Alex would never demand like what video? Did you watch? No. Like, I saw that video last week. You were amazing. Yeah. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, exactly. You blacks are amazing. Exactly. That's what he had. That's the road he went down. Louis Farrakhan and these guys say you blacks are amazing. In Alex Jones's voice. I got these, like, they played him like a fiddle. Yeah, it's very clear to me that there was at least

Jordan (02:18:45.000)

well, as we fucking established, it's not hard. And that's the point.

Dan (02:18:50.000)

But it does take a little bit of forethought. And it is impressive to me. Okay. It's impressive to me that they thought to do that. No, that's because it's really are they did

Jordan (02:18:59.000)

he of course, it's clear that well, and it's not even, it's not even brilliant. It's just if you do a modicum of research on somebody, and you actually attempt to influence them, you can probably succeed. And that is the story of everybody who's been on Alex Jones's show, if you do just the slightest bit. Look, Dan. Yeah, you could go on to Alex Jones's show, using all of your information. I might call him tomorrow had you have Okay, have you the self control? To do so? Alex Jones will be a fan of knowledge fight.

Dan (02:19:42.000)

Assuming he doesn't already know we exist. Yes. Yeah. If he has that pre knowledge, then it would be impossible. But if I called in and it was like a Alex, look, you're the best you're spitting this truth that no one is putting out there. It's so immoral

Jordan (02:19:58.000)

it's that's why It is because you feel like you're spinning this truth that no one else is putting out there because you're like, I don't have so I don't have honesty Tourette. You're like Kevin Nealon subliminal man,

Dan (02:20:10.000)

I would just make look dude, you're the best bra. You're the shit I love you. I love you. All right your salary all this you got the truth behind you. And I believe you I appreciate it. Excellent. Look, we do a podcast about you. Can we get a plug in? Oh, yeah, give it a blog. Give it a blog. Listen, this podcast called Knowledge fight. We just talk about you know, it's like Info Wars but knowledge fight. We just talk about how great you are is the best. Oh, you guys check that out. Maybe that would work instantly. Yeah, but it all is just flattery. If he came here that thought died.

Jordan (02:20:49.000)

Yeah, there is nowhere for that to go. No. I like the car trying

Dan (02:20:53.000)

to think about how we could co opt him if he came to Chicago and then like, now come to my bedroom. Now.

Jordan (02:20:59.000)

If? No, if he came here, it would just be me. barking at him. Oh, you wouldn't be here? No.

Unknown Speaker (02:21:07.000)

It would be one on one.

Jordan (02:21:08.000)

Good point. Good point. You're You're not wrong. That is a very smart do look. Put that shit on Twitch. Millions of viewers

Dan (02:21:17.000)

totally. We got to find rep ports number anyway.

Jordan (02:21:22.000)

The next step for us. Rappaport, John Rapoport, Mike rabbit. That'd be great.

Dan (02:21:31.000)

Then I've realized this isn't an interesting thing, because we haven't covered Rapoport in a long time. And that's because his reports have been boring, right? Of course he is every other Thursday, though, still hosting the fourth hour. And what I've realized is He's like, he's kind of a psychiatrist or psychologist for Info Wars, right? Because he has so much of a calm presence, because he does these neuro linguistic programming type tricks. The way he speaks with, like, these lilting tones, he does a bit of that, and

Jordan (02:22:03.000)

then he sounded a bit like a ghost there. No, he does that, too. He sounds like it goes. Yeah, but

Dan (02:22:07.000)

not as like, that was parody. But at the same time, like he does those, like he's very trained in how he uses the tones of his voice and the gait of his speech. Right.

Jordan (02:22:20.000)

And to the point where even if he wanted to control it, he probably couldn't. Probably

Dan (02:22:24.000)

not. Yeah, and it's so calm. Yeah. And that's, that's unlike anything on Infowars that is so angry. Yeah. And so like,

Jordan (02:22:33.000)

even if you're David Knight, being boring, you're still an angry boar and he's still

Dan (02:22:39.000)

a little hot. Yeah, compared to John Rapoport are the last like four times that Rapoport has been on I've wanted to cover what he's done. But it because you know, I love him. So the body of the report is no good. And then each time the part that's interesting isn't long enough. And it had I have known I would have gotten a month of all of these. But basically what happens is, he shows up for the fourth hour and counsels Alex, for the first 10 minutes, okay, he counsels like Alex is in a bad mood. And he's like, John, what about this? And he's like, Well, you got to think about, you got to think about the angles and you know, like, vaccines are terrible. Yeah, he does. He basically talks Alex down. That's, that's the next 45 minutes is his own report. And what made it crystal clear to me was last Thursday, was when Owen Troyer hosted and Owen was freaking out at the end of the show. But he couldn't he couldn't figure out where to put his bearings. He had no idea what was going on. And he was like, they these JFK reports came out and turns out Hitler's still alive. And everyone clowned on that and that was just like a him misspelt that

Jordan (02:23:51.000)

silly Yes, him miss speaking on that. Whatever.

Dan (02:23:56.000)

So he's just like, What do I do? And the whole time you have stoic John Rapoport just being like, you're 27 you probably have a sports medicine degree. Calm down. The globalists are doing what they do. And he just counseled him through like 15 minutes. It was

Jordan (02:24:17.000)

weird, you know? So rad. Dynamic rev abort is the weird Zen master of Infowars the glue that's what you're doing, basically. So wait, is this all John Rappaport idea? No,

Dan (02:24:29.000)

no. Because Are we sure? No, because he didn't exist in a meaningful way in 2015 or even where we are now in 2016. He had shown up just to talk about how like AIDS isn't real and vaccines are bad course because he has that medical journalism in hard quotes. natural background. Yeah, but no, he's become essentially on Thursdays. every other Thursday. Someone who will talk the host down it's fucking crazy.

Jordan (02:24:56.000)

That's cute. I'm going with that is is cute. I'm

Dan (02:24:59.000)

gonna keep But better track of that because it sounds blame for me to just sell this whole cloth and be like, right, this is what they do. But I assure you, it's counseling. It's it's absolutely, because John Roberts gifted with his language and he knows how he speaks. It's basically like cognitive behavioral therapy. Yeah, but with an abrasive host again, it's amazing.

Jordan (02:25:26.000)

How, how certain are we that John Rapoport isn't influencing all of these people to do what it is he wants them to do?

Dan (02:25:35.000)

I have no evidence that John Rapoport has ever spoken to Larry Nichols. Nah, that's wrong. You gotta know that John Robert Boyd and I have been friends since Nicaragua. Oh, Grandpa was in Nicaragua. Ratnavali. That's how we got the girl side.

Jordan (02:25:51.000)

That's the plan. Boy.

Dan (02:25:54.000)

Look, I don't know that he knows him. I don't know that. I don't think look. I 100% don't think that he's a part of the 45 group. All right. And I also don't think this is tough. I don't really think that I've ever heard John Rapoport say all that much about Trump. Interesting. He's really into medical shit.

Jordan (02:26:15.000)

Yeah, like he's a lunatic. Yeah, but I don't.

Dan (02:26:19.000)

I mean, I know he's pro Trump. Is he? He is, but I don't think I've ever heard him say that much. I don't think he cares that much.

Jordan (02:26:28.000)

While he's John Rapoport. He's afraid of vaccines. Yeah. And bushes. Yeah, he's afraid of college campus bushes. If I know one

Dan (02:26:37.000)

person that he's spoken to. It's general stubble buying. That's for the walks out. That's for the regular listeners. Yeah. Anyway, Alex Jones in this next clip gets into a theory about liberals that I don't agree with.

Jordan (02:26:56.000)

I think I'll probably agree with it.

Alex Jones (02:26:58.000)

I'm a woman with short hair. I'm born that out. I'm the authority. Obama Congress time for you to get in line. None of that Oh, frankly, at all. government openly funding ISIS openly giving them Stinger missiles. neocon Republicans running Obama, Intel a Democrat that thrown too big a power trip, they look at you too feeble little lies and giggle and go, You're just mad. You're not in power. I had a prominent Democrat this morning that I was on the phone with on some issues here in town and he was giggling and laughing at me about the executive order and betting I was upset.

Dan (02:27:36.000)

So I don't know who this prominent Democrat is, but also the Pelosi she loves Infowars the idea that, like this prominent Democrat was like, Haha, neener Neener. You're just mad that yeah, that flies in the face of? I mean, I would say all it really everything well, but No, maybe not. But like all of Infowars advertising. Yeah. Where they're like, buy this shirt. It'll piss off Democrats, right? Like that sort of thing. It's like,

Jordan (02:28:02.000)

why it turns out, we're not pissing them off. They're giggling at us.

Dan (02:28:07.000)

Why are you mad at first of all, that interaction didn't happen. But why are you hypothetically mad at this person being like, you're Oh, you're pissed off UPS off? Isn't that fun? Right when you that's your ad strategy your entire life. And I know we get back to this stupid hypocrisy thing where it doesn't matter. Right. But like big picture it does. It really does,

Jordan (02:28:30.000)

um,

Dan (02:28:32.000)

as a time capsule,

Jordan (02:28:34.000)

how? Well that's possible. We're never going

Dan (02:28:36.000)

to make effective change. But as a just a yeah,

Jordan (02:28:40.000)

when you get a really big picture. Yes, I agree. As a

Dan (02:28:43.000)

matter of record, yes, it matters when you like it's also

Jordan (02:28:47.000)

fascinating because that is tied right into a very small part where any says Neo cons or route are running Obama and you're like, Ah, you might be fucking right about that. Why are you saying that shit? Well, because

Dan (02:29:05.000)

because like, Okay, here's why. Alex is wrong. That's why like, what you just expressed right? There is literally why Alex is wrong. Because we talked about we I mean, I talked about this a lot because I studied logic extension extensively in college Jenks. And the reason you

Jordan (02:29:31.000)

have to be Robert Durst for a

Dan (02:29:36.000)

look. Yes. The The important thing about logic is truth preservation. I've brought this up in the past, right? And the only thing that logic is opposed to in terms of sentential logic and predicate logic is Truth cannot lead to falsity. That is where there's a problem right? If you start if you start from true premise says and lead to a false conclusion. That's a problem, right? If you start from a false premise and lead to a false conclusion, of course, who gives a shit? I really are already wrong and false premise to true conclusion. Okay, right. It's all fun, right? Only instance, where things are actually a real problem, our true premises false conclusion. Right. And that's what Alex does all the time. Of course, we've talked about it probably three times already on this podcast, if not more, on this episode. I mean, yeah, that's when you talk about like, Obama is involved with neoconservatives. And that is a problem as it relates to also Neo liberals. It is a big problem. So you have truth there. And then what it comes down to, is like neener, neener stuff you're just trying to like, right? It's a game and you're just trying to fuck, right? Like, that's a false conclusion that you're coming to. And that's, that's where logic comes into play, where it's like, well, we got a big red flag on this, right. And that's what he does all the time. And that's what that's where. I mean, the reason I started this podcast wasn't that, but the thing that keeps me going through it, is that so much of it is that yeah, there's so much like,

Jordan (02:31:15.000)

small bit of reality,

Dan (02:31:16.000)

you're fucking up. Yep. You're fucking up this, like, because I am. I am offended by the idea that there are crimes against children. I am offended by the idea that Hollywood has this casting couch system of the novelist has been complaining about horror, the last month because it's in vogue. Yeah, but like, I do think that's terrible. And he's right. The truth as a premise. Then he leads to the drinking blood of Zack Cole city. Yeah, he's right about a ton of dumb ass things. Dumb as things. Let's take that out of it. Yeah, but he's right about a ton of curdles of stuff, and then leads it into falsity. Yeah, he is like a manufacturer like a warehouse a depo. Where it's just like, truth becomes fiction. Yes. And it's, it's so crazy. But also sometimes it Embley line sometimes fiction becomes fiction. Yeah. And sometimes fiction becomes truth. I mean, he has been right about a few things. Yeah. I mean, he's right about, like Osama bin Laden.

Jordan (02:32:21.000)

Attack. J Dilla. Live in

Dan (02:32:24.000)

Argentina in 2000 2001. He's hanging out with Hitler in 2001. He did say that Osama bin Laden was going to attack the World Trade Center. Yeah. And he was right about

Jordan (02:32:34.000)

that. But that's because that was obvious. Totally. If anybody was paying attention, no,

Dan (02:32:39.000)

for sure. But at the same time, we shouldn't take that away from like, him being right. Right. You know, like, like, in the same way that if you had called that, I would give you credit. Oh, I did call it but I would also say I was nine, but I called it I would give you credit for it and then stipulate not that hard to figure. But he's also right about civil asset forfeiture. He's right about marijuana laws, drug laws in general. They're so like, they're their stuff where he is like, true to true.

Jordan (02:33:11.000)

It's the problem is when it's true to false 90%. Is

Dan (02:33:15.000)

that Yeah, 90%,

Jordan (02:33:16.000)

I would say that a less amount of it is true to false and more of it is just false to false.

Dan (02:33:22.000)

60% is false to false. No, because even if you go into that, it's true that the Las Vegas shooting happened. And then

Jordan (02:33:33.000)

okay, and then that's your if that's your benchmark, though, for whether or not he's starting from a truth. I mean, that's just that's your that

Dan (02:33:42.000)

case? What else are you going to do?

Jordan (02:33:44.000)

That's a good point.

Dan (02:33:44.000)

How else are you going to construct that argument? Right, the Las Vegas shooting happened, it was a false flag. There were helicopters,

Jordan (02:33:52.000)

right? No, I get I see now what your what your route point is? And I don't know Alex is fucking it's he's disqualified from having any reasonable point. Sure. It is fun for me to be like, a no, or more more illustrative, more illustrative.

Dan (02:34:17.000)

illustrative. You did that to me the other day I was just watching out

Jordan (02:34:24.000)

of whatever it is, he does get something that is relatively obscure. Correct. We're in Neo cons running Obama. That is something that is not a well publicized version of Obama's presidency.

Dan (02:34:41.000)

I think I think it's I think it's in the middle. Like I think I think it's not totally publicized. It's not obscure, either, though. I think that's in the middle. I think that's a conversation point that is out there.

Jordan (02:34:53.000)

It is. It's an interesting question for the two of us, especially because we are way You too into this too? You know what I'm saying? Like if we were to go out and Family Feud the general public I mean Mark Dice it

Jordan (02:35:12.000)

to Mark Dice, Mark, if we're gonna mark Dyson people, but I doubt I doubt the idea of neoconservative one would be anywhere near their general lexicon

Dan (02:35:23.000)

caving video. Give me on drudge. Yeah, yeah, do that.

Jordan (02:35:29.000)

Probably. Let's do that. No, that's not our style to drudge length. No,

Dan (02:35:34.000)

he's not gonna look into us. Of course not. Let's just make a fucking fake propaganda video. All right, Dan, let's talk about this after.

Jordan (02:35:41.000)

Again. We are way too interested in giving Neo cons advice about how they should run things. Yeah,

Dan (02:35:48.000)

probably. All right. Well, look, we got a couple more clips. Okay.

Jordan (02:35:54.000)

We got a couple more clips in this eight hour long episode.

Dan (02:35:58.000)

So in this next clip, Alex has another theory about the left. But liberals right. Shockingly, I disagree with it again, drinking blood.

Alex Jones (02:36:06.000)

I mean, the kleptocrats, the left that's allied with radical Islam and others. They've got such a hatred of the less that they really ought to think about what they're trying to destroy, and what they're going to be involved in. You people are front and center for radical Islam to take out. But you know, your parents were conservative or whatever. So they made you go to church, so you want to shell them and it's really dirty. It's really nasty cockling to bring in folks to rape the women. It's a cool I mean, it's maintaining the left. Radical Islam is avant garde. They see women with hoods on their heads. I mean, they get excited. I think it's so cool. I mean, they just look so sexy. Because they don't like the other men. How dare you wear pants? I beg the orders. Oh my gosh, God, I love you. Oh, yes. I mean, it's sick.

Dan (02:36:57.000)

So what do you think about Wait, What?

Jordan (02:36:58.000)

What? What? Huh? What was he saying?

Dan (02:37:03.000)

Not sure. So not sure. Honestly, not sure. Okay. There's no way you want me to give you a recap. So wait, are

Jordan (02:37:10.000)

we as a card carrying a burn it all to the ground liberal? Is he saying that we don't want our women to wear pants?

Dan (02:37:22.000)

No, I think you're not supposed to wear pants.

Jordan (02:37:25.000)

I'm not supposed to wear pants.

Dan (02:37:26.000)

i If so so if we're going from that clip? Yes. I think he's saying the men aren't supposed to wear pants. Okay, because that works out sort of in terms of like colloquialisms. Right, like the man wears the pants. Right? We don't want to do what he's riffing. Okay, because the women not wearing I don't understand how that would work.

Jordan (02:37:43.000)

Well, I mean, because especially since it is conservatives of his ilk, who kept women from wearing pants for so long. So, okay, so So but now. Now, also, we were raised conservative,

Dan (02:38:01.000)

right? No, no, no, your parents are trying to make you conservative than that you made you go to church.

Jordan (02:38:06.000)

Okay, so he's talking specifically to me, you're dumb. butthurt liberal. Right?

Dan (02:38:10.000)

You're kicked out.

Jordan (02:38:11.000)

So now?

Dan (02:38:12.000)

I'm loving it.

Jordan (02:38:14.000)

It's kind of sexy, right? For me

Dan (02:38:17.000)

to caulk out Christendom.

Jordan (02:38:21.000)

I don't disagree that it's kind of hot.

Dan (02:38:25.000)

I strongly don't like this period. Like,

Jordan (02:38:31.000)

nothing makes me want to fuck more than whatever it was he was talking about? Like, what was he talking about? He's talking about describe a human being who thinks like that? I don't think

Dan (02:38:46.000)

one exists. But again, it's that same kernel of something that leads to a fake thing. There are definitely liberals who are liberal because they're reacting to their conservative parents. And I'm not saying that's your case, just because you had conservative parents, right? That's not necessarily the case. But you have people who are the David Brock, David Horowitz types who grew up in confining political bubbles, and then lashed out against that in adult life. There are examples like that. Yes, yeah. And so he's trying to paint it's just this big narrative that he has about liberals love radical Islam, because it's cocking out white people. It's this idea

Jordan (02:39:35.000)

which is which we should get rid of the West like anytime you like I'm at a I'm at a point now where totally I failed like because like you should every time he says the West like you should have a voiceover come on white and then just move on. Or like you're you're saying white people just say white people.

Dan (02:39:57.000)

That's what you know. That's what you mean but male and Christian. also, like, that's true. It is it is subordination of the other is what he's talking. Exactly. And even if you go back to any of the time when like, we don't even have to unpack make America great again or anything like that, although I did read an interesting article the other day, I think it was in Politico. I'm not entirely sure. But they did a study of back and forth on Politico. Me too. I go case by case. Yeah. But the article was about the perceptions of when America was great. And everybody just was talking about when they were younger, right, it is just healthy on days. Just the idea, the image of the past when things were simpler,

Jordan (02:40:43.000)

because your memory destroys all of the horrific things that you live through. You only deify the things that you do

Dan (02:40:51.000)

find nostalgia. Yeah, of course, and all of you out there are cool, we take the rest of the

Jordan (02:40:57.000)

why the who are an overrated man, and that's where I get murdered.

Dan (02:41:02.000)

good songs. But also, a lot of this could be dealt with if all of you would read some of the lesser works of HP Lovecraft.

Jordan (02:41:11.000)

That is a true fact that is stated all the time.

Dan (02:41:14.000)

HP Lovecraft is most known for the Call of Cthulhu. Namely the case of Charles Dexter Ward, the three great book of his

Jordan (02:41:21.000)

regular co host Cthulhu.

Dan (02:41:24.000)

I think HP Lovecraft is one of the most problematically racist, but also great authors. He's amazing. He taps into something about the human condition and about terror and how fear works that most authors don't get. And I don't like horror, I don't like horror at all. Okay, but I love the dynamic of his writing. And I do cop to the fact that he's a fucking racist. Yeah, agree is a product of his times. And if you look at him throughout his career, he softens in terms of talking about Mongoloids. And in one of his early books, he has a cat that's named the N word. Like they're not a great name. Yeah, there's a lot of shit like that. But as he gets older, just just pure even if

Jordan (02:42:07.000)

you are a racist, that's not a great name for a cat. It's not,

Dan (02:42:11.000)

but I only bring that up to take the trade Nancy, I take the piss out of him in as much as I love him. You know, like, I love the recognize he sucks. I understand his lesser work. One of them is the dream quest of unknown MODAF. And no one likes that book.

Jordan (02:42:31.000)

It Rotary's just just from a title standpoint, could have had a couple of rewrites.

Dan (02:42:37.000)

I love it. I think it's perfect. It's my favorite book of his I always have been more of a fan of the dream cycle that he did more than the Cthulhu cycle. Okay. I always was more of a fan of the dream worlds that he described. Because if you read his letters they are in like, most of his work comes from legit nightmares that he had, right, and like trying to deal with visions that he had not like prophetic visions or anything like that.

Jordan (02:43:04.000)

But there was a man who suffered from nightmares. And he wrote them down.

Dan (02:43:07.000)

Yes, yeah. And told people about them. And we have records. Yeah. But one of the things that's really fascinating is the dream quest of unknown cadavers about this guy named Randolph Carter, who is trying to get to the dream city. Well, Randy carts, yeah, where he's trying to get to the dream city of cadavers where the gods play. Yeah, and there's these these gold steepled, rubes and it's perfect and he wants to get there. And it's this whole thing where like, you can't go there. You can't go there. The gods the gods play there and it's forbidden for man to go there. Right? goes through this whole fucking nonsense as usual. There's, there's a little bit of Wizard of Oz aspect to it, to make alliances with various things. And what the what the end comes to spoiler alert is he was dreaming of Providence. He grew up in Providence, Rhode Island, and he was dreaming of his childhood home. That's what he has vision of Kodak was right. He created this false vision in his head of what the dream city where the gods would play is Oh shit, and it is just what he had as a child. Hold

Jordan (02:44:13.000)

on one second, right. Was Alex Jones actually raised in a small town named prosperity?

Dan (02:44:23.000)

No, but he might have been okay, well, then nevermind.

Jordan (02:44:26.000)

I retract my argument.

Dan (02:44:28.000)

If he was a little bit west it could have been truth and consequences. That's right.

Jordan (02:44:31.000)

Fucking stupid as ER could have gotten new Pentagon

Dan (02:44:35.000)

east and could have been Hope, Arkansas. But like that is what people fall into. And that's that's a piece of the human condition that HP Lovecraft nails in dream quest of unknown Cadabra which is a again, it's a chore to get through a terrible book. It's not terrible.

Jordan (02:44:53.000)

It's an unreadable book.

Dan (02:44:55.000)

The cats of Saturn do battle with the cats of author and it's great

Jordan (02:44:59.000)

now I'm way on board because that's a great title.

Dan (02:45:04.000)

And then the night gods come in. Do you know about the night Gods back off

Jordan (02:45:07.000)

board? They have night gods they don't have to get it.

Dan (02:45:10.000)

They don't have faces but they love to tickle.

Jordan (02:45:12.000)

No, I've played enough Final Fantasy to know what a what a great gaunt is

Dan (02:45:16.000)

night Gods love to tickle. Anyway. All right,

Jordan (02:45:20.000)

that's got a very different growing up.

Dan (02:45:25.000)

The tickling is terrifying. Yeah, the context of the night gods. No,

Jordan (02:45:28.000)

I agree.

Dan (02:45:29.000)

I agree. The thing is, though, like, this is like what is being triggered by these ideas of making America great again and harkening back to nostalgia. It is something that is so ingrained in each of us individually, to come up with our own positive association to whereas the reality is not necessarily a positive thing. Of course, the objective reality of going backward is not good. But each of us has a boner for that, because of the simplicity and the wonder of us when we were children, back of them

Jordan (02:46:08.000)

and and just the lack of awareness and like it's very,

Dan (02:46:12.000)

if everybody read science fiction, we'd be in a better place as the dreams of men. Williams qualified truth. Yeah, because you'd have these ideas that are proposed to you, and you deal with preaching to the choir or listeners or what, but like, most people would have more advantageous ideas in their head if they would just not succumb to easy tricks.

Jordan (02:46:39.000)

I mean, it's a it's the it's the classic rock conundrum. There is no such thing as classic rock. It's just the shit from a certain area, or certain era that radio stations play so

Dan (02:46:55.000)

often will eventually be Linkin Park. Exactly. I thought. When you first said the classic rock conundrum. I was like, oh, so two rocks go into a bar. I was like, Why did Rikishi Hit him? Hit so hold.

Jordan (02:47:09.000)

Now, so now he did it. No, dad. No, sir.

Dan (02:47:16.000)

Also, what is he cook

Jordan (02:47:22.000)

stir fry, stir fry. So good. So good. Have you ever had the rock stir fry? Just everyone believe all

Dan (02:47:29.000)

the vegetables are cooked? But still crispy? So amazing. Incredible.

Jordan (02:47:33.000)

How do you put them in at the right time? I don't know. I've never been on Chopped. But I bet the rock would win.

Dan (02:47:40.000)

Undoubtedly. So we have one more clip George. One more time. Of course. There's been a lot of nonsense. This has been so much fun. A delight. Anytime I get to expound on Lovecraft I'm having a great time

Jordan (02:47:54.000)

your your mood improves. Unimaginable I

Dan (02:47:58.000)

legitimately maybe should be doing a podcast about HP

Jordan (02:48:00.000)

Lovecraft you should maybe be HP HP Lovecraft

Dan (02:48:04.000)

I have night terrors. I don't.

Jordan (02:48:07.000)

I do. I've had them. Yeah. Yeah, they're not great. My Have you ever have you?

Dan (02:48:11.000)

My buddy Nick. My buddy. Nick has night terrors. Yeah, like I don't know if he has recently. But back when we used to live together he would have nightmares and like wake up screaming in the middle of the night. Yeah.

Jordan (02:48:21.000)

I've never never you've never had sleep paralysis or anything like that

Dan (02:48:25.000)

paralysis. I've woken up with jolts. Like, that sort of thing. But never like to the point of like, ah, Like, legitimately he would scream. Yeah. And now I feel bad because he listens to the show. But he knows. And we talk well, of

Jordan (02:48:40.000)

course he does. He's the one who had that.

Dan (02:48:43.000)

We've talked about it on podcast. He's on the streets. Yeah, tears. No, it's humbling. It was terrifying. I don't I don't I don't know what that experience is like. I've also never had a wet dream either. I've never had a wet dream. So I don't know. I don't know what those things are like, but I've had lucid dreams before I've had. I've had sleep paralysis for sure where I've been awake.

Jordan (02:49:02.000)

Never had a lucid dream. Every time I fall asleep. I am at the unwilling mercy of my own brain.

Dan (02:49:09.000)

But if you ever had dreams where you're like, more conscious within them.

Jordan (02:49:14.000)

No, I've lived I've lived an entire lifetime in a dream multiple times where it's like, you you wake up and you're like, holy shit. I do not have a wife what the fuck just happened there. But other than that, no, no, lucid dreaming. Right? Well, why are you judging me as though I'm a lesser person? Right? I've

Dan (02:49:36.000)

not I just don't know what to do with this information. Like because even if people like the idea of like straight up total lucid dreams. are you controlling everything? Yeah. Even most people still have dreams where they're more cognizant of the fact that it is a dream, even if they don't have control over it never like going along with it. So every time you have a dream, it's just like a pictograph Just like a movie playing in front of your eyes.

Jordan (02:50:03.000)

I don't remember most of my dreams. But still happen though.

Dan (02:50:07.000)

You just don't remember them.

Jordan (02:50:09.000)

It's possible. I just have no recollection of them. Yeah,

Dan (02:50:12.000)

it's a muscle you can work ossible it's possible it. Could we all dream? I mean, we could be in a simulation. How fun. Would that be? According to Cowboy Bebop, this is all a dream. Sad would it be? This is a simulation and this is how we spend our time. Statistically speaking, they're talking about Alex Jones. This is a simulation, drinking vodka and talking about Alex Jones is how we choose our days here is ones and zeros.

Jordan (02:50:37.000)

It is an unreasonable idea to think that this isn't a simulated simulation.

Dan (02:50:42.000)

I know I read Nick Bostrom. Yeah. All right. Makes sense. All right. Yeah, absolutely. Mathematically, it does not work out the real world.

Jordan (02:50:49.000)

Also, mathematically, why wouldn't we be talking about Alex Jones?

Dan (02:50:54.000)

I got nothing better to do. Exactly. Well, I did buy a switch.

Jordan (02:51:00.000)

Have you ever played the Sims? Do you see what those people do? None of them talk about Alex Jones at all.

Dan (02:51:04.000)

They never start podcasts.

Jordan (02:51:08.000)

Although that is Oh my God, that's gonna that's gonna be the saddest thing that ever happens is when the next Sims game comes out. And they're like, do you want your character to start a podcast?

Dan (02:51:19.000)

Do you want your Do you or do you not think your Sim believes in the protocol? That's gonna be a branch. Branching decision.

Jordan (02:51:29.000)

Do you know what we need to do develop a game called sim Larry Nichols. You get to live Larry Nichols life if Larry Nichols was telling the truth about his life.

Dan (02:51:40.000)

Dude, bomber is not above a dad. I've got a lot of information I can't give out on the air. All right. He's a bummer of a man. All right, we'll talk off air. Okay. So we have one more clip ideas this that Max Keiser comes on another guest and most of those Max Keiser, he's the guy who has Max coins. Okay. But most of the episode

Jordan (02:52:04.000)

we have we think he's the guy who wrote that book about like,

Dan (02:52:08.000)

women know that has

Jordan (02:52:10.000)

macro Ellerman tech Tucker, Max. Yeah,

Dan (02:52:12.000)

no. Max Keiser most of his appearance is just about Bitcoin being a decent cryptocurrency great idea,

Jordan (02:52:22.000)

not max coin.

Dan (02:52:23.000)

Alex Jones, you do not like the Federal Reserve, you hate fiat currency, all that stuff. Bitcoins work right on top of that's a lot of his argument. But they get into gun stuff a little bit doesn't make sense. Why would you do that? Well, Max Kaiser has a decent argument. And this is a mic down clip because it's like, oh, again, it's okay. But also only because it's so like Alex Jones being a dick. Okay. And Max Keiser being pretty reasonable. And I want to hear I want the audience to be able to hear the times that Max tries to rebut things, and Alex cuts him off. Okay, it moves very fast. All right. So here's that mic down

Max Keiser (02:53:05.000)

in the news. So let me let me ask you a question. And I know you follow the gun issue obviously it's a big issue. And I am always looking at this issue myself and so I want to ask you a question. So what what would happen and I haven't really thought through this but I'm gonna I'm really genuinely curious what you would think of this idea you know, what would be the situation if gun owners were were required to buy insurance to go with that gun so when you buy a gun, you need to buy insurance to go with that gun similar to the way when you drill learn to get a car you need car insurance, so the damage that's done by accidents etc

Alex Jones (02:53:48.000)

taxes the power to destroy they're using Obamacare to take over the economy as a private tax corporations next it'll be a tax for a baseball bat or a or a or insurance for a night.

Max Keiser (02:53:59.000)

But insurance is not a tax it's it's a way to spread the cost of this no,

Alex Jones (02:54:09.000)

the cost is 12,200 People data year on average Max and about seven plus 1000 to commit suicide which is their right to do I don't support people killing themselves but I get it you got bone cancer, something blow your head off. I mean, I see it.

Max Keiser (02:54:22.000)

I mean, like the folks the government is coming down and if I read Obama they want to disarm us to enslave us brother and they're gonna put they're gonna put fingerprint sensors on the guns right? Yeah, that'll

Alex Jones (02:54:33.000)

bankrupt all the old ones and and make all the others illegal. This is a plan to get there. Okay, so I have the Mayor Pro Tem of Austin admitting after they register they confiscate Macs. Okay, but after there's no debate, they want our guns.

Max Keiser (02:54:48.000)

But it wouldn't it be in the interest of those supporting the gun law?

Alex Jones (02:54:54.000)

No, no, no compromising. No, no, no gun laws. None. Let felons have guns. Let everybody have a big as criminals are gonna have, in many ways, zero gun laws 000000.

Dan (02:55:08.000)

So especially on today of all days, when a gentleman who have all the information isn't out yet as we record this, but someone went into a church and killed 27 people, I

Jordan (02:55:25.000)

wait, what? 27? Yeah, it was 27

Dan (02:55:29.000)

That's the last report I saw, the number might change. But yeah, that's the last report I saw on fucking real on a day like that. I mean, I know we're going back into the past, but it's important to see the principles versus the reality. And what Max Keiser is presenting is a reasonable middle ground. Not a bad idea. It's a reasonable middle ground. It's not and he's even presenting it as, look, people are pushing towards this, wouldn't it be in people who are strong gun advocates best interest to protect their ability to have guns measurements would make reasonable tea,

Jordan (02:56:12.000)

the idea behind it is, sooner or later, it will be enough. So like, if you're if your argument is or like when when he's describing Obama, the drumbeat of When Will enough be enough. So we all feel that. Yeah, his point is, sooner or later it has to be there will be enough is enough.

Dan (02:56:36.000)

And none of us want to come to the point where it's draconian. None of us want to come to the point where there's a fascist state taking guns, right, like so I as dyed in the wool liberals, as we are would be uncomfortable with that it wouldn't

Jordan (02:56:48.000)

be a bad idea. It'd be scary as shit. Yeah. You don't want a you don't want a federal government of any kind, doing something along those lines. No, in that regard.

Dan (02:56:59.000)

So or a state government? Well,

Jordan (02:57:03.000)

especially, especially not Kansas or India, any centralized

Dan (02:57:06.000)

authority doing something like that would be no good. In the same way that we support. All of the amendments, we support the second amendment, unfortunately,

Jordan (02:57:16.000)

against our against God's will. But so his his idea makes way too much sense. Yeah, his idea is gun owners, you don't want your guns taken away. So rather than wait until they try and take them away, and then have a fantastic shootout, when none of us want that. None of us want that. Maybe instead be like, Oh, okay, if you buy a gun, you also have to buy gun insurance. And if any gun is used to hurt somebody, that money bought it out. Well, look, insurance, let's give. Let's go on and done.

Dan (02:57:53.000)

Let's give a fucking real world example of this. Because I have said a couple times on this episode that I bought a switch. I bought it. I bought a Nintendo Switch. Yes, you did. And in doing so I shot it with a gun. And in doing so, I had to trade in. I didn't have to. But I traded in my Wii U. Because I was like, I want some store credit in order to buy this in order to afford it appropriately. Because otherwise it would be a crazy purchase too much. And so I went to the store. And they said, Cool. They looked at the Wii U they checked it out, made sure it played well. I wasn't scamming them. And then they're asked for an ID. And they ran the ID and they're like, Oh, your IDs expired. Right. Your IDs expired. You can't trade in a video game system for another video game system. I probably could have bought a gun. Absolutely. I probably could have easily at a gun show or something like that. Without Whoa, they were just like looked at the id like in the same way I can get into bars with an expired ID

Jordan (02:59:05.000)

could have gotten in could have gotten three to five guns.

Dan (02:59:08.000)

I absolutely. I'm not sure exactly what point I'm trying to make with this. But like,

Jordan (02:59:15.000)

maybe when trading in a video game system laws are more stringent than buying murder weapon laws. Probably something going on.

Dan (02:59:25.000)

Yeah, I had to go and like really work out a point.

Jordan (02:59:29.000)

I had to text me. I had people I had to get on a goddamn bus. We had to get on a bus that we weren't sure was common because Broadway has gotten a lot of structure construction work on it. So we spent a good hour and 10 minutes together figuring out how it is you're gonna get a fucking Nintendo Switch boiler for $100 less than it cost spoiler

Dan (02:59:51.000)

alert. I mean, it is it was a situation where Jordan was the best friend in the world and he came through for me because he has a career into it and mine has expired. And the

Jordan (03:00:02.000)

one thing they say about Jordan, his idea is always current these Pawn

Dan (03:00:07.000)

Shop laws that Gamestop follows our can

Jordan (03:00:11.000)

and also the band sublime.

Dan (03:00:13.000)

Sure. rest and peace, Lou dog.

Jordan (03:00:17.000)

Nope, don't care

Dan (03:00:22.000)

much of that through you. Look, I just thought about Lou dog recipes. The the thing that I keep coming back to is is this idea that like I don't care. I mean, I was frustrated in the moment, but I get it. Yeah, I get why you have to have regulations in place of like, someone could have stolen this. And of course trade it in, you know, like course, it's a piece of technology. It's like a laptop or something like that, that at this point. Back in the day, it was just a piece of plastic, you know, like, Nintendo. But now Now these things are like, multiple $100 worth of it was frustrating in the moment, but I get it. And the idea that I would lobby Congress or that I would be like, fuck you. Video game trading rights are paramount. Right? And granted, no one dies because of this, this example that I'm using, but like, it's so it's so silly to me. And then the other piece I want to take away from this is that Alex is like the Supreme Court decided that insurance is a tax

Jordan (03:01:42.000)

that is lat Well,

Dan (03:01:45.000)

that's again, just No, but that's again, just him not understanding the verb versus here Burbo Oh, no, Burb? No, I'm gonna end up in a garbage bag.

Jordan (03:01:59.000)

That's just him not that was always the way this podcast was gonna end in

Dan (03:02:02.000)

Me, Me and Me cross dressing and ending up in a garbage bag. Assume both

Jordan (03:02:06.000)

of us, we're going to eventually end up in a garbage bag sooner or later.

Dan (03:02:11.000)

It's just him misrepresenting the Supreme Court's decision about Obamacare. Yeah. It's not about Obamacare. It's about the penalty. It's about the penalty for not signing up with Obamacare. The Supreme Court did decide that it is a tax. Yeah. And that's fine. Yeah.

Jordan (03:02:36.000)

That makes sense. Yeah, it is, it is kind of the so. So the argument that conservatives always make is you can't legislate morality, which is in a very, very simplistic way, a truth. And at the same time, the dumbest fucking thing that you could possibly say, and if you say it, shut the fuck up forever. Because in the same way that you and I are that you tried to trade it in a video game system right? Now that law is not really going to affect a ton of people. Right? If you have a legitimate ID, even if you stole that fucking

Dan (03:03:19.000)

system, it's going to only make it traceable, that this person stole the system.

Jordan (03:03:24.000)

Exactly. Which is not going to make it optional. And who the fuck is going to follow up on it? Unless somebody says my video game system was stolen, right? Like all of this is not legislating morality. It is increasing two or three steps away payment, guess

Dan (03:03:40.000)

what, you know what? Every video game system has a tracking number on it. I know. And every single video game system that you have, can be traced.

Jordan (03:03:52.000)

Like that's why they have serial numbers on the hash

Dan (03:03:57.000)

that they scanned them. Yeah, when you trade them in, or when you buy them, you buy them use, they scan it and like, I mean, it's not like, oh my god, big brother. They know that I have this video game system. But if the records need to be pulled up, right, they can find out that I own a switch.

Jordan (03:04:15.000)

No, they can absolutely be. And here's why. If you

Dan (03:04:19.000)

have your phone stolen, yeah, they're there. There's lines I like Yeah, the whole thing. There's, it's not always evil, right. There are things that are

Jordan (03:04:29.000)

the simplest, the simplest way of describing why you can't legislate morality is a stupid argument is the I can't remember which hill or bridge or whatever it is, but they just there was a a area where hundreds of people committed suicide every year. And all they did was they put up a fence and all of a sudden the suicide rate dropped so fast B because that is not legislating morality or anything like that. But for a lot of people, if you just make something annoying, it's logistics,

Dan (03:05:09.000)

they won't do it. You want to jump off that bridge, but you don't want to be seen seen climbing over that.

Jordan (03:05:15.000)

Exactly. There's a certain part of human psychology that is just like, that seems like a lot of work. Sure. Like that's, that's really all it is. That's really all taxes wind up being like you want and like we all want roads, we want all of this shit. But there's a certain point of like, like the soda tax in Chicago, I think it was a good idea. And I think it should have worked fine. People bitched about a 50 on it. I know, I agree. I'm right there with you.

Dan (03:05:45.000)

Because I did work at a distributor when it was going down. And the dynamics of it in terms of wholesale are really problematic. Exactly. to the consumer. I don't think it's that bad. Because like, whenever I would buy soda, I do think that it's fucked up that applied to seltzer. That's fucked up. That is fun. But at the same time,

Jordan (03:06:09.000)

like, but that's a poorly written law. That's not like, yeah, that's not like, we were always going after big seltzer. Like when they weren't paying attention

Dan (03:06:19.000)

when it comes down to like wholesalers, and how it will screw their business. Yeah, I think there's a legitimate argument. But in terms of the consumer paying a couple cents more per or a cent more announced, right? For sugary beverages. I don't like I don't think that's legislating morality. I think that does come into like, and I want to be I don't want to be this deck, because like, I drink soda, and I drink beer, and what have you, right? i If you charged me more for it, because of the burden that we all collectively add into the health system. Yeah, that makes sense. I accept that.

Jordan (03:07:03.000)

We, you and I pay how much more for cigarettes, then people in Missouri? Like at least twice as much? Yeah, at least at least twice as much. And you know what, I'm fucking fine with that. I'm not happy. But I excited super not happy about it, but I get it. And it makes sense. Now,

Dan (03:07:24.000)

does I hope all that money goes to the right places, if that's another conversation does not but another promise, but that's not

Jordan (03:07:31.000)

the point as as an ideal of like, Look, if you're going to make decisions that burden everybody else more, you should, of course, pay more to burden other people in order to lighten that burden for other people. And like it's just, it's polite taxes are politeness and now the

Dan (03:07:53.000)

flip side of that is, you see this out of like European countries a lot like people with the perspective of like, I know that my, my taxes are higher, because more of it goes towards protecting people who need help, right? And I don't care, right, that sort of thing. That's, that's right where I live, I don't really give a shit. Look, if I have to pay more. I'm not saying that as like, I'm, I'm a good person. It just seems like how society should operate.

Jordan (03:08:27.000)

Think of it really, really simply like the most simple form of that we live in Chicago. Imagine you paid 10% More of your income in taxes. And you never saw another homeless person.

Dan (03:08:42.000)

Well, no, because that that makes it seem like the impetus is never seen homeless people. And that's

Jordan (03:08:48.000)

but that is my point. Robert, right, does it your motivation is I don't want to see homeless people then fuck you. But I don't care what your motivation is. If you're willing, strongly willing look, we can get into ethical arguments about determination anytime you want. Now we're back to

Dan (03:09:05.000)

cotton Kierkegaard there we got

Jordan (03:09:09.000)

Dan and Jordan, the new cotton Kierkegaard is the least watch show on TV. But but the point being if that's if that's the motivation that you really have, which it seems like for a lot of people who are anti-tax, it's always about, well, it's not going towards what I want it to go towards. If if you're so Craven and so miserable, that all you really want is like, I'm mad that I have to walk by 30 Fucking homeless people every day. Fine. Pay 10% more in taxes, and you'll never have to do that again. So what So what better? Taxes bad? Like what are you talking about?

Dan (03:09:50.000)

The better version to that when you started this allegory or this sort of thought experiment I would have gone with is you pay 10% more in taxes and then Ron gets a good education that I would have gone with but

Jordan (03:10:03.000)

But your point remains, but that's not that's not how people think. No, but your point remains is how many people bitch about pretty taxes? How many people bitch about property taxes, even though they know property, even though they know it goes towards schools? Like How insane is that? Yeah, you know that this goes towards only helping your own children, your own neighborhood and the children of others. And you're still like, oh, I don't want to pay 8%. And

Dan (03:10:34.000)

seriously, no one complains about the lottery. Yeah, no good. The only complaint about the people who are dumb enough to

Jordan (03:10:41.000)

famously described as a tax on the dumb.

Dan (03:10:45.000)

Yeah. And that's the only who cares. Don't ask

Jordan (03:10:49.000)

me. Anyway, I'm not a good person to ask. In this regard. We've spun

Dan (03:10:53.000)

way out of control. But the point I wanted to make about this tax Supreme Court thing is that the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare is covered under the Commerce Clause. Yeah. And it's maybe definable as attacks, but it's entirely justified. And

Jordan (03:11:18.000)

it's the only thing that makes sense. Yeah. Because why would you? But look, the whole? Yeah, continue. It's it's a

Dan (03:11:26.000)

specific thing that Alex is calling out that insurance is a tax. And that's not true. It's true in the case of this specific Supreme Court decision, which is about the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare, that they determined it was largely definable as attacks. Yeah, insurance itself is not a tax. Car Insurance isn't a tax, your health care if you have insurance, outside of Obamacare, or inside of Obamacare isn't a tax, other insurances home insurance, renter's insurance, that's not a tax. Do you know what they are? Tax is not? I'm sorry, insurance is not tax. So Alex making that argument as a shut up Max Keiser, yeah, with the gun shit. That's not his argument falls apart.

Jordan (03:12:21.000)

Furthermore, insurance itself is a socialist concept. The idea of insurance is you are subsidizing people who need help. It is the larger group of people. The

Dan (03:12:38.000)

thing about society is a slight socialist,

Jordan (03:12:41.000)

more insane idea is that you are mad about gun insurance and not about health insurance, you're paying money for a profiting company to get money from you, when you could just be paying the government dollar amount in order to make sure that this happens sovereignty instead of that shit, instead of people having to deal with preexisting condition bullshit, or any number of Byzantine laws to keep them from getting the benefit that they themselves have paid into this entire time. You're like, Oh, it's a tax prosperity. Fuck you. Prosperity, fuck you,

Dan (03:13:18.000)

sovereignty, prosperity. I

Jordan (03:13:19.000)

just don't even understand what socialism means, you know, we

Dan (03:13:22.000)

should just say is Alex's into the sovereignty gospel? Because he does that, like, you know, like, he talks about the GlitterBug churches and he lives the prosperity gospel. That's the the,

Jordan (03:13:33.000)

and his his idea is instead of donating money to a church to get your own money, I mean, donate money to me, he's even so I can

Dan (03:13:41.000)

go to Infowars Yeah, for like, Oh, he's just this sovereignty preacher.

Jordan (03:13:47.000)

And, and 10 is a good way of putting it to a certain extent.

Dan (03:13:50.000)

Just this week, I know that this sounds crazy, because it's been 11.

Jordan (03:13:58.000)

I'm excited whenever you start a sentence with it sounds crazy. But just

Dan (03:14:01.000)

this week, it kind of dawned on me how one to one, it is just the you flatter him. And it works out. Right. He loves you. Right. And what made it so clear is this shit with the Nation of Islam? Because for the last 11 months that we've been going through this has been screaming about the Nation of Islam and he hates them. Of course, he hates them. He thinks that they just think that white people are baby destroying every manufacturing systems.

Jordan (03:14:33.000)

They want the white people to cut them out, etc.

Dan (03:14:35.000)

Exactly. And he goes in and they pretend that they like him. And he's like,

Jordan (03:14:43.000)

fuck, they're in. They make a lot of sense. They're the best. I don't agree with everything they say. But they make a lot of sense.

Dan (03:14:51.000)

It dawns on me that like I don't know why we're doing this podcast.

Jordan (03:14:59.000)

At this part and this part out, that's

Dan (03:15:02.000)

me No, no like it does. It does dawn on me that like, this guy is so simple. We're making this very complicated. And he is more complicated than that. But like, yeah, because of his, I mean, soft stance on Hitler. Like, those things. There are those things that are like I still, I still don't like the idea that there is a soft stance on Hitler, there are those things that are worth discussing? Right, certainly. Right. But at the same time, I think I think I said this in like, maybe one of the first episodes we did is like, so much of this, I could have just assumed. I think everyone, everyone out there who hates him is right, but they're not right. for the right reasons. Yeah. Everyone who out there who hates him generally hasn't listened to him, and they hate him for the wrong reason. Right. It's so complicated. There's this thread, I sincerely believe I mean, our society will fall in one day or historically speaking. It has to it will. Yeah. And I think that the one of the most interesting things will be the millions of people who were led astray by nothing. Yeah, just nothing. And he's not the first example of that there. Were not even there was there were Kahneman there were PT Barnum's long time ago. Yeah. And it's just, we have the advantage of all of it being recorded. Right. All of it is available, right? You can take him to task like, back in the day like PT Barnum, again, just because I just said him, like, he wasn't on tape. When he said, Yeah, we just get the advantage of like, it's there.

Jordan (03:16:56.000)

I don't know. I mean, ultimately, based on our listenership, as much as I love all of you public policy wonks out there. We're doing this for pasta. Oh, eight? No, I know. Eight. It is a mix. It is one of those where we're

Dan (03:17:12.000)

not catching on. There's no we're not hitting the zeitgeist, I eat at the same time. There. There is certainly a section of the world that is interested in analysis of this. Oh, well, it is it is just this might be an off air conversation, there's

Jordan (03:17:31.000)

possible. There's so many things where you can take a very, very specific subject. And by looking at that subject, you can extrapolate the world. Sure. And this is what I see our podcast as I just told you all about HP Lovecraft Exactly. We through through this tiny little box, a prism, through the tiny little box, we can see the world and it becomes so much clearer when you have this kind of small, like, it's alright, like, I'm alright, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be super lame. Alright,

Dan (03:18:09.000)

I want you to do that. But before you do that, I want to say like to respond to what you were saying. Like, I'm interested in truth. I'm super interested in truth. Yeah, as like evidenced by all my pedantic conversations about

Jordan (03:18:23.000)

all of our listeners disagree with you. I'm saying hey, thank you never believe I'm super

Dan (03:18:27.000)

interested in what's real. Yeah. And the best way I think to discuss that is talking about someone who's totally full of shit. Exactly. Because because you have these like, the juxtaposition. Well, like, and I made where Alex is right. Again, the kernel of right, that leads to falsity. It's like the media sucks. Yeah, like you. You have all this stuff on social media, on Twitter, on Facebook, all these stories that are not true that just pander to whatever your pre existing condition is, or what your mentality is, right? Like, there were so many things about, like, trying to rebut the dawn of Brazil stuff,

Jordan (03:19:08.000)

right? That Oh, my God, fucking kill me.

Dan (03:19:11.000)

There's so much stuff, the end. I get it, I get it. And you and I sitting around trying to do a progressive show would be a disaster. Because,

Jordan (03:19:25.000)

like if we, if we tried to just like, Oh, do you mean if we tried to do an analogue of Alex's show as progresses,

Dan (03:19:32.000)

if we tried to do a news show? It would be a disaster to you. And I know because everything moves so goddamn fast. Oh, yeah. It'd be like, what did we cover? That we'd get tricked by things? Probably. Yeah. I mean, you have the immediacy of needing to do the show, right?

Jordan (03:19:51.000)

Where as there's economic output, we have an anchor of a

Dan (03:19:56.000)

complete liar. Yeah. And you You can find truth from pinging off that line. Yes. And sometimes they're not lying. It's very rare. But sometimes they're not lying. Right other times you get to see what is their presentation look into it right find the truth. Right? And that to me is a much better that's what the news maybe need to maybe needs to become. Yeah, is essentially debunking bullshit.

Jordan (03:20:28.000)

And there are two truths I think we can draw from this podcast. First. Poor Eddie Bravo, that idiot. Such a sweet man. Such a stupid man. Yeah. It wasn't second dinosaurs. Second, you can follow us on At knowledge underscore fight. Jordan air and the show.

Dan (03:20:47.000)

Oh, there it is. Yeah, you can go to our website knowledge fight.com. You can

Jordan (03:20:52.000)

go to iTunes, you can download our podcasts, you can leave a review. You can do all kinds of fun things. Yep. We're on Facebook. We are on Facebook. And then I think the ultimate second truth that I was getting towards was that unlike Eddie Bravo, a poor sweet innocent idiot. fooled by this complicated world

Dan (03:21:18.000)

strongly disagree with wherever you're going. This poor four wrongly disagree with

Jordan (03:21:24.000)

us who has no chance of surviving in this life. Unlike him, there are evil men.

Dan (03:21:31.000)

Oh, now I'm back. There are bearded evil men. Okay. There are men. I thought you were trying to present the bearded guy as a fucking sympathetic figure.

Jordan (03:21:42.000)

How dare you do so? I said unlike poor Eddie Bravo anyways, I I accept your apology, even though it is tacitly not given I miss her. There are there are these men who just refuse to hang up pictures. Who just who when they were young, had all of their teeth removed and replaced by a CIA dentist insist

Dan (03:22:10.000)

on counseling oh and Schroyer through existential crisis. Oh, they've given

Jordan (03:22:15.000)

so many Owen Troyer errs, vaccines, and then deny that vaccines work.

Dan (03:22:21.000)

This is one of the clean vaccine. Oh, exactly. As it rhymes. There's a kernel of truth to

Jordan (03:22:26.000)

it. And I'll tell you about this guy. I'll tell you, Dan. John Rapoport can go fuck himself. In this

Dan (03:22:34.000)

case. I agree.

Alex Jones (03:22:38.000)

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Oh, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.