Transcript/877: A Philosophy For Curiosity

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.

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Rattle her, rattle her, rattle her.

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Need money, need money.

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Rattle her, rattle her, rattle her.

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Andy in Kansas, Andy in Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy in Kansas, Andy in Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge fight.

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Not knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex

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Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today, buddy?

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No.

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I was going to try and steal yours, just in case.

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Why would I?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I guess it's sort of, I don't have a good bright spot, so I have a sort of bi-pronged

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kind of comment.

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The first is that the cheese advent calendar hasn't been as good as I expected.

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That is expected.

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Yeah.

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That is exactly as good as I expected.

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When we talk about the wonderful positive things about Aldi, it's important to also

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bring up some negatives.

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And that is that these cheeses have not been blowing my mind.

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That's not to be a surprise.

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But it's still fun to open a little door and all that stuff.

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It is.

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It is.

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There's no denying that.

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The second thing, the second prong in this makeshift bright spot is you getting dragged

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on social media for saying that All Star was a cover.

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How dare you.

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I 100% thought it was I'm a believer.

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Wow.

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No, I was pretty sure you were wrong, but I didn't have enough confidence to push back

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on it.

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100%.

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And then you got the, I mean, it wasn't as bad as the Chumbawamba debacle, but you still

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got quite a bit of correction on that.

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Oh, well, the problem was I got the accidental correct answer on the first try and then it

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was all a go.

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I was like, there can't be that many Smash Mouth Grammy winning movie soundtrack songs.

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And there are more than one.

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Yeah, because you got Shrek.

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I'm a believer covering Shrek.

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Exactly.

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That's why I was like movie song, Smash Mouth, my brain made it.

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I'm a believer.

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Right.

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And then they also won a Grammy for Might as well be walking on the sun.

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I don't understand.

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That was in Schindler's List.

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It was, it's so strange whenever people were like, oh, you got the song wrong.

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And I was like, wait a second.

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We should really be talking about how much Smash Mouth did.

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That is insane to me.

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Yeah, it's true.

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It is insane.

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They had a really interesting trajectory as a band because they had the walking on the

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sun, which is a big hit, but that was like, you're in the direction of one hit wonder

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of that era.

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That was like, this is great.

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You're going to be like Fastball or something.

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Perfect.

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Yeah.

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The Way.

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Everybody loves that song.

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Yes.

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And then Go Away.

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Right.

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Yes.

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Or even some other like Kula Shaker with Tatva.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Yes.

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That was one hit wonder territory and they had nailed it.

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Yes.

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And then they had the All Star, which was a song that's huge.

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I would say the only thing that I can think of that comes close to it in the modern time

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is something like DMX's Y'all Gonna Make Me Lose My Mind, which they're like in every

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trailer and commercial and all these things.

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So they got elevated into this like really bizarre territory and then they did the Shrek

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soundtrack.

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Yeah, because it's not like a music.

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It's not like a Hey Ya moment where everybody goes, oh my God, this music video or the music

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or Andre 3000 is like, they have put All Star on every commercial, in every movie, in the

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store when I walk down.

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I also think that there's a dramatic difference between the Hey Ya kind of moment of being

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like that maybe gets to a wider audience and then people can realize how great OutKast's

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catalog is.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Whereas I don't think that All Star led to a rediscovery of Smash Mouth's album cuts.

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No offense to Smash Mouth, they were pretty bad.

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The critical reinvention of Smash Mouth.

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Yeah.

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But anyway, you were wrong.

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I was thoroughly wrong.

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Happy to admit it.

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What's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is, this is, it's weird to say this because I'm not a big economics guy,

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but I will own my car in, like I will have paid off my car in like two payments, which

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has never happened to me before.

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Has never happened before.

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Congratulations.

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Of all the cars, I don't think, one, well actually no, I won't own it, it's still in

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my wife's name.

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Everything is in my wife's name.

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I own zero things.

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That's not suspicious.

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But I'm off the grid completely.

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But in order, my cars have disappeared via hit and run.

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The last one that I had in Chicago, I parked on the street and then it was hit by a truck

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and totaled completely and then I came out one morning, I saw it, and then the cops came

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and god I love the Chicago cops whenever something horrible happens to you because they laugh

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in your face.

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Sure.

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That was great.

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And then after that, it was stolen.

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See, that's more of a disappearance than a hit and run.

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That's true.

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The car's still there.

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No, no, no, no.

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Well, I mean the, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This was the car before that.

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And then the car before that was my dad's red truck.

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Yeah.

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All of these cars never been mine and have gone horribly wrong.

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Well, this one still isn't.

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Still, well, that's true.

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That's your wife's.

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That's true.

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But I have paid, I have paid it.

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Right.

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I have paid for it with monies.

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I mean, it is an accomplishment and it is something to be excited about, but it is still

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your wife's car.

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I understand.

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But I mean, in 40 years, I'll be able to say, hey, I paid off my student loans and that's

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what will be important.

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Do you have that much student loans?

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Yep.

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You went to like one year of college.

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No.

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If you recall, I went to five colleges, but never longer than a year.

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That's the problem.

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The problem was not that I didn't go to enough college.

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Yeah.

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I do think that if you have a path like that, you definitely should have your loans forgiven.

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Like you got nothing to show for it.

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It's not fair.

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Yeah.

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It's not fair.

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I mean, the other problem was just like, you know, I could get a degree from somewhere,

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but they want you to stay there at least two years.

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And then I was like, I don't want to do that.

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So I just left.

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That was probably a bad, bad move, but it's hard to go back now.

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Yeah.

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You can't relitigate.

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So, uh, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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Yeah.

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On our last episode towards the end, we were alerted to the fact that there was a Twitter

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Spaces going on featuring Alex Jones and some other noted luminary shitheads.

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Oh, there is a last time on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And we are covering that because I wrestled with this.

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Yeah.

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So first of all, I don't think a lot of people maybe even know what Twitter Spaces is.

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I don't.

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Um, so I tried to explain it to my dad earlier and the way best I could come up with is it's

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like a party call, like a party phone line.

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You know, there's a like a big group phone call, but streamed on Twitter.

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So like on Twitter you can have a bunch of people who are on the line and then they can

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all take turns speaking and stuff, sort of a group call.

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Okay.

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Um, wait, do they call it Space X or spaces?

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Right.

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But I mean, it's not Twitter anymore.

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Oh no, it's X spaces.

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Yeah.

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I guess.

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No, that's stupid.

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It's already taken.

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Yeah.

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It's his name.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I think that would get confusing.

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So, um, I, I wrestled with this because I think it's stupid and um, I found it's three

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hours long and I found it insufferable.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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And it felt like it would never end, um, but the list of people who are in the mix here,

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who are involved in this conversation, it doesn't feel like something I should just

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ignore.

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It feels like, you know, when you have, um, someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene coming

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on Info Wars the first time, it's like, this is, this is relevant.

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This is a person who is in Congress, who is on Alex's show or when the vague comes on

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Alex's shit, you know, or I guess actually Alex was interviewed by the vague for his

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shit.

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You know, it is like someone is running for president.

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These intersections of like what would be respected positions, people in those supposedly

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respected positions, it feels like I would be remiss if we just ignored that this happened.

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Right.

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That's true.

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Um.

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And there's one thing that's completely insane that happens.

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That I, that I believe.

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So maybe it's worth it for that.

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Just for that.

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Oh man, it's hard not to, uh, be like, I understand it is newsworthy, uh, that we are surrounded

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by burning lakes of fire, but we are in hell, so it's not that newsworthy, you know?

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Well, it's giving some, uh, some sort of window dressing.

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It's letting you know what's going on.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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Showing you the lake.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So let's look at that lake.

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Okay.

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But first let's say hello to some new wonks.

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Okay.

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Here's a goose that got the parking ticket.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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This is a Woody Allen bit.

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Yes.

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Next, uh, Ben from Canada.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, I know these get delayed a bit, but here's hoping we're not too far into the monthly

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mustard tasting.

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Looking forward to your stone ground Dijon.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Ewwww.

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Next, Maestro Jones says bear dog is number one dog.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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All right.

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We got a couple technocrats in the mix, Jordan.

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So thank you so much to Beats by Nim, appearing against the advice of my publicist Odette.

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You are now a technocrat.

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And I became a technocrat just to publicly shame Dan for his garbage survivor takes.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I have risen above my enemies.

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I might quit tomorrow, actually.

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I'm just going to take a little breaky now.

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A little breaky for me.

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And then we're going to come back.

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And I'm going to start the show over.

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But I'm the devil.

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I got to be taking off the hair, up, you know, all this blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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I got plenty of words for you.

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But at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse you rode

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in on and all your shit.

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.

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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.

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That's really what I want to do.

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I never want to come back here again.

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns

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on air.

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I'll be better tomorrow.

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Never.

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No.

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So I feel attacked.

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I'm not entirely sure what these garbage survivor takes are.

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That's what I was interested in.

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That's why I left it in there.

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They were unspecific, so I can't respond to any of them, but I do not have garbage survivor

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takes.

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Well, the reason I left it in there, I'm interested to know, what do you think those

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could even be?

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I feel like I probably was disparaging about this season and I stand by that.

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I think I've been disparaging of a number of seasons so far, especially the recent seasons.

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I think they have been dog shit.

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There's a problem that they've shortened the show.

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I think that probably had something to do with COVID.

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So they're only out there for a shorter amount of time.

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So the game is played faster and that kind of sucks.

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There's too many advantages.

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There's too many weird twists.

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It's gone away from what made the show alluring.

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Right.

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And also I think the casting has been not great a couple seasons.

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I don't know.

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I'm just not into it.

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I'm still watching it, but I'm not into it.

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I guess what confuses me about the whole garbage takes thing is essentially you're like, everything's

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not as good as it should be.

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Yeah.

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That's not really a garbage take.

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I don't know, but I think this person probably thinks that it is as good as it should be

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and maybe it's Jeff Probst.

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You know what?

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If this is Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, stop listening to the show.

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You don't have enough time.

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Here's something I want to say about Survivor.

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On a recent episode, they did something with editing that I have never seen them do before

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and I found it to be absurd.

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So there was a challenge, immunity and reward challenge, I believe, or maybe just a reward.

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Something like that.

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And some woman won and she decided to take all the women who were left with her on the

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reward.

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Cool.

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So they went to like a spa or like got food or something and so the men stayed behind

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at camp.

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Right.

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Right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so then the men are like burping and like having bro time and stuff.

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Great, I guess.

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That I have seen before.

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Right.

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That has happened in Survivor past.

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And I have edited it together.

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This turned into a montage of them doing bro stuff with the song Playing With The Boys

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by Kenny Loggins.

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I'm sorry, what?

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Over it.

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The song from the volleyball scene in Top Gun.

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Oh, I know.

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Oh, I know my Kenny Loggins.

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I don't remember the last time they had like a licensed song for a montage and it was just

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to do Playing With The Boys.

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It was bizarre.

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I had no idea what they were doing.

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I like that.

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I like that because there's a story behind that and you know that one of the editors

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had to get permission.

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They had to go through, they had to call, they were at a whole thing and that's because

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somebody had a wild hair up their ass that was like, hey, you know what?

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We don't normally do montages like this, but I think it's time to reach for the stars.

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It's completely out of line with the way the show is normally edited, but after Chasing

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Sunsets, one of life's greatest joys is playing with the boys.

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You got to do it.

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And that's kind of what's going on on this show.

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Oh God.

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Is that your chance?

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It's Playing With The Boys.

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That's the transition.

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It is a lot of dudes.

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Oh my God.

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What are they even doing?

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What?

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What do they do?

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What?

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What are they doing?

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Are they talking about something or are they just like, we're here?

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As best I can tell, there's a character named Mario.

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I'm not entirely sure who he is, but he seems to be the host of this space.

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Oh, I thought we were doing a bit.

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No.

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I thought we were going to get to jumping.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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His name is actually Mario.

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Mario something.

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That's a good question.

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He plays very little role in this except as a periodic questioner of people, and he tells

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people sometimes that their mic is on.

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That shouldn't be.

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And does not do a great job of keeping things on the rails or moderating or anything like

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that.

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So he's doing this space.

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And from what I gather, the intention is to have Alex on because he is now back on Twitter.

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And we'll talk about how great it is that he's back, ask some questions and stuff.

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And then as it is going on, tons of other people just end up showing up because it's

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on Twitter and you could just ask to join.

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You have a whole...

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So you end up with Jackson Hinkle, Matt Gaetz, Patrick Bette David, and others who end up

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showing up.

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It's a who's who of dumb-dumbs.

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So you can...

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Okay.

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So then the more general concept is anybody can ask to be on.

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Yes.

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And the host can green light them or not.

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Right.

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So it could be anybody.

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It's not like you have to have a number or you have to have anything like that.

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You're watching and you can participate at any instant if you...

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Gotcha.

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I saw a screenshot of this on Twitter when it was happening on Sunday.

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Yeah.

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And one of the faces that I saw as one of the speakers was Chase Geyser.

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Goddammit.

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I was like, what?

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He ranks?

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He's relevant enough to be in this conversation?

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And then I realized as I listened to the beginning of this, Alex's account has been reinstated

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but some of the features don't work.

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So he can't join Twitter Spaces with his account because that's still coming online.

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So he's using Chase Geyser's account.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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So that's a lot of fun.

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Excellent.

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So we start here with Mario giving a little bit of a self-congratulatory premise of the

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interview.

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Sure.

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First question that I have for you.

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It's a pretty, pretty incredible panel, a lot of people that you probably know and we're

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going to go to the panel in a bit as well for questions, but first I want to applaud

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you for coming here.

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You could have gone anywhere, but you came on a platform that you know we ask the hard

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questions.

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We always try to represent all sides of every discussion and avoid echo chambers.

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And that was the first place you came on as you got reinstated on X.

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So I want to applaud that step.

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First question that I have for you.

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Thank you for coming on my show.

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We'll be back.

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So proud of you.

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Well, I've got to say it's, it's not about me.

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It's about everybody having the courage to stand up for free speech, particularly Elon

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Musk and Carlson and others.

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And because when we put up with somebody else being censored for whatever reason the media

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says or whether it's something they said that was wrong or something that hurts our feelings,

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when we censor somebody else or go along with it, we end up censoring everybody else, including

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ourselves.

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So I want to applaud everybody for after five, six years of this nightmare for waking up.

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I don't know who this Mario guy is per se.

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So I don't know if he does generally ask the hard questions and avoid echo chambers, but

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I can tell you based on the experience of listening to this, that is a fraudulent presentation

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of how this show goes down.

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I mean, it's, it's very, I just want to applaud you me for having the courage to come on my

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show.

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Mm hmm.

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You're brave.

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So amazing.

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Because you know, what I do is I go hard in the paint.

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I'm, I'm maybe the best interviewer that's ever been.

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No softballs around here.

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People don't want to, I mean, people don't want to come on my show.

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I'm so good.

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Now.

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First question.

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What does it feel like to be back on Twitter?

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Like the greatest human being that ever lived.

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How do you feel about that?

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So look, here's the deal.

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Yeah.

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You're going to hear a lot of Alex kissing some Elon Musk ass in this and it starts pretty

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early.

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Wow.

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So in your interview with Tucker, you did express concern on what could happen to express

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understanding on why Elon didn't bring you back.

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Obviously that didn't last long.

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And you also had concerns on what could happen to Elon if he does reinstate your account.

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Now that you're back, do you expect Elon who also quote, I think he replied to Brian who's

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on stage.

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One of his replies, he said, I expect revenue to potentially drop from this decision.

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Do you expect there to be a tax or pressure on Elon after he reinstated you?

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Well, I think he said that yesterday, he, I don't, I don't have the, the comment on

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X in front of me, but he basically said it's, it's, it's the right thing to do because the

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principle and it's also what the majority of the vote said.

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So this probably will hurt X monetarily, but justice be done, may the heavens fall basically.

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But at the end of the day, it already has way more traffic, way more people.

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It's avant garde, it's, it's, it's revolutionary, it's rebel, it's Maverick.

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And that's what Elon Musk has always said he is.

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And, and he's done all these Maverick things and people always say, well, he didn't really

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do that, but I went back and researched and he did do that.

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All these incredible successes, I'm not kissing his ass, it's true.

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And the fact that he could take over Twitter, free it, and bring back one of the most demonized

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people of not the most demonized in the world, talk about a witch hunt, shows he put his

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money where his mouth is and is the maverick's maverick.

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I mean, nobody can argue now that this guy is, is, is not cutting edge maverick.

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He's maverick.

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And I would just like to point out something that I maybe haven't brought up on the show,

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but it's very funny.

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And that is that towards the end of Alex's book, The Great Reset, he relays the plot

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of a couple scenes of Top Gun Maverick.

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And that sounds right.

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It's, it's pretty amazing.

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You're telling me, he loves that movie, you're telling me that even in the book, it's always

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a movie.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So I'm sure that Musk knew that revenues would likely go down and he'd lose more advertisers

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if he let Alex back on the platform, but he's also being boxed in by the extreme right wing

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audience he's cultivated to the point where the decision isn't really a maverick decision

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at all.

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It's bowing to the shouts of the mob.

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By his words and actions, Elon Musk is clearly politically and ideologically aligned with

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the most extreme right wing voices in the media, many of whom are in this Twitter space.

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He's shown that he's desperate in his need to look cool for these shitheads.

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And that's much more important for him than creating a functioning, decent to use website

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and more important than running a successful business.

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In the second quarter of 2023, Twitter's revenue was down just about 50% year over year and

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went from about 1.5 billion in Q4 2021 to just under 600 million in Q2 2023.

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He's overseeing the full deflation of a site from a revenue standpoint.

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Twitter has also been bleeding users who don't want to hang out on a website full of unchecked

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shitheads because it's a really bad user experience.

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The site was losing millions of daily users, so in response, Musk stopped using that metric

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and started pointing to monthly users since that number looks a bit better.

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By almost every metric, Twitter's going pretty much down the drain.

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According to stats compiled by Axios, app downloads dropped 38% globally and 57% in

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the U.S. in the year after Musk brought the site.

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User time on the app is decreasing and overall traffic to the site is down as much as 11%

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on web browsers in the United States.

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Essentially what's going on is that Elon Musk is trying to take Twitter on a 44 billion

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dollar joyride and a big part of that is letting the types of shitheads he likes create an

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unpleasant environment for the other users.

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It'll be a lot of fun for them while it lasts, but ultimately the end result of this is that

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the whole thing is going to go out of business as it becomes just another telegram or gab

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where all the user base is just the dumb dumbs like these people and a handful of folks who

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just have accounts to keep tabs on what they're up to.

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It's pretty annoying and it's a farce to see all this being masqueraded around as some

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kind of a free speech activism, but you can't really expect them to do anything else.

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This is exactly what they would do.

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And if this is really about free speech, then Musk needs to go all the way.

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Let David Duke back on.

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Get Milo Yiannopoulos back in the site.

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Let Tila Tequila come back.

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All she did was post pictures of herself doing a Nazi saluted white nationalist gathering.

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That's free speech, baby.

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Come on, man.

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Let Tila Tequila back.

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Uh, yeah.

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I mean, he should let everybody back on, but if it is a free speech thing, I mean, I appreciate

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that people can continually confuse Elon Musk as somebody with a business or anything along

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those lines, but people really need to start thinking more along the lines of like MBS

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and that kind of thing.

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Like he has a sovereign wealth fund.

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He does not have money.

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Money is not real to Elon Musk.

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Money is pretend.

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It's just what he gets to fund.

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He didn't pay $44 billion of his own money or any of that nonsense.

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$44 billion isn't even a real number of money.

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That's just a pretend thing that rich people talk about.

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That's not real money.

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Right.

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You know, like it's all, it's all fun.

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It's not in bills.

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It's all fun and games to do that, but it doesn't exist as something.

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It's pretend and he can do whatever he wants forever.

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Yeah.

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And like he doesn't have a business in the form of Twitter either because it's not running

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a business.

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It's not protecting free speech.

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It's creating a fiefdom where everyone kowtows and bows to him like they do in this Twitter

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space.

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How do you wealth, like the reason that like live golf and all of these, like the reason

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that MBS is spending $300 million on something that will make 40 bucks or whatever is because

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one, money is pretend.

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It doesn't exist to him.

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And two, it makes him feel good.

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This is what happens when you give one man too much power is something feels good is

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worth spending a billion dollars on.

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Hey man, I'm a hedonist.

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I don't mind the idea of pursuing pleasure.

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I understand that, but other places where they're like, Oh, well let's have a board

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or something.

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Can at least be like, can we have some business soon?

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Well, tell that to Linda Yaccarino.

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Yeah, there we go.

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Poor lady.

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I don't care.

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Fuck her.

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So anyway, this is all about free speech.

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So demonized, so lied about.

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They built me into the devil's devil at an emotional level with so many people that they

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come after him deep at a never before seen level this happens and the ADL, the CIA and

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the justice department and the Southern property law center media matters.

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They were already doing it when I was taping the interview like three weeks ago.

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But then since then, all those big establishment sponsors who are already being boycotted by

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the American people, by the way, so, so, so they're, they're, they're, they're losing

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literally hundreds of billions of dollars in the aggregate because the people are boycotting

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them as Elon said.

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Well now they're trying to bully Elon to bully the American people, the people of the world.

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So he said, go fuck yourself.

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And I, I can't speak for Elon, maybe he'll call in, but I think when he, as soon as they

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did that to him, even though he tried to, you know, basically work with them was being

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very, very fair.

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And, you know, I think really cleaned up the, you know, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, thing

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of bots and things like that.

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As soon as they doubled down, he said, you know what, screw you, I'll go ahead then and

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release the cracking.

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And it's not that I'm that good on Twitter or that I'm even that great of a talk show

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host.

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It's the symbol of what they built of Alex Jones is now an archetype of the rebel populist

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and what the establishment fears.

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And so, uh, what Elon did was really throw down the gauntlet.

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So that's not free speech at all then he's just throwing a tantrum.

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He's mad at people.

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And so he's like, all right, I'll bring back this bombastic fucking idiot.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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I mean like that's not a free speech stance.

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That's a fuck you.

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Um, I want to do something that'll make you unhappy.

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Yeah.

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Stance.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's pretty much the definition of spite.

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Yeah.

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I believe that's spite.

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Sure.

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He did a spiteful thing.

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Yeah.

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Not motivated by a concern for free speech and everybody has the right to talk and blah,

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blah, blah.

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No, but I don't think Alex is speaking for Elon.

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This is not necessarily what he did, but even in Alex's conception, Elon's throwing a temper

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tantrum.

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Yeah.

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And what Elon actually did was try and measure his own dick.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Elon's going to show up later.

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Obviously.

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I don't know if I made that clear.

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No, we've all, we've all got there.

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That's the big deal of this is Alex ends up talking to Elon for a long time.

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I hate us all.

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But he's not there yet.

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Yeah.

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And I don't think that they knew he was gonna come.

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No.

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Like I think it's a surprise sort of that he just showed up.

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Um, but there is a bit of a panel that's there asking some questions.

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And the first of them, uh, noted, uh, embarrassment and shithead, Laura Luber.

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Great.

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It's gonna take a few questions from the panel.

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Maybe three quick questions, uh, Laura, and then, and then Brian.

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Thanks Mario.

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Uh, no, I, I saw that you were asking Alex about whether this threatens democracy.

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I think the biggest issue is that, uh, this has been a threat to our constitutional republic

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and democracy all around the world.

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And we've been blowing, you know, blowing the whistle on this for years.

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I can't help but think back to the day before Alex was permanently banned from Twitter.

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And that was, uh, September 5th, 2000 attended the congressional hearing on big tech censorship

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and we called out Jack Dorsey.

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So I just wanted to play that because, uh, Laura can not stop bringing up that she was

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there in Congress with Alex the day before he got kicked off Twitter case anybody wondering

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before Alex shows up, there's a little bit of time where they're just talking to her

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and she brings it up twice.

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Nice.

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It's like, all right, I get it.

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This is about you.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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You're very important as well.

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Thank you.

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Very important.

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So, uh, next we get to Jack Pessobic coming in, uh, given a little, a bit of a question

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slash comment.

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Good stuff.

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Prior to Alex Jones is just really public execution in terms of the digital square.

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It was a digital public like execution that we saw prior to that, the idea that people

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were being suspended on Twitter, you know, Twitter 1.0 or even Facebook or YouTube or

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any of these things.

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It was ridiculous.

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You had, you had to either, you know, really, you know, seriously violate terms of service,

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uh, death threats, doxing.

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That was pretty much it.

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That was pretty much the only thing I would like actually hacking the system was the only

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thing that gets you out.

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But when they did that to Alex Jones, it fundamentally changed the way that we operate on social

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media and the way that we share information.

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And up until the point where Elon Musk purchasing, uh, Twitter and transforming it now into X,

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we have not had the ability to freely share information.

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And that's why in the past year, it's basically been about a year and change since he purchased

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it.

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That's why you've suddenly started to see people and not even just on next, but out

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in the real world, out in normal conversations, we're finally starting to move past that point

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of intense censorship, where if you've lived in any country that has an authoritarian regime,

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you know that the censorship isn't external, it's internal.

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So it's internal.

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It's in your mind.

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You know, you're not allowed to hold certain opinions and you're not allowed to say certain

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things.

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And so you censor yourself before you speak.

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And so Alex, I just commend you.

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So they got a myth here, but this isn't reality.

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Uh, before Alex got kicked off Twitter, there were plenty of people who got banned.

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Milo got banned two years prior Holocaust denier and racist troll, Charles Johnson,

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who's now claiming he was an FBI informant, got kicked off in 2015.

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Tommy Robinson was kicked off earlier than Alex in 2018.

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Same for the proud boys and Gavin McGinnis shit Azalea Banks was banned from Twitter

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earlier than Alex.

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Roger Stone was kicked off a year before Alex, Alex's Nazi buddy Owen Benjamin was kicked

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off before him.

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Anyway, the point is that Alex was not digitally crucified or executed and he wasn't the first

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high profile person to be kicked off for being a fucking asshole.

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But this is the new mythological telling of the story because it works really well for

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narrative purposes.

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Now that Alex is back on Twitter, if they pretend that him being kicked off was the

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beginning of this rash of censorship that they've all been persecuted by, this becomes

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all the more triumphant.

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It's completely inaccurate, but very emotionally satisfying for them.

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So you know, you publish the legend as they say.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that's why I, I mean, and my point, you know, I think I said it on the last episode

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about the whole, like, you have to step on their throat in the fourth quarter.

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You're from sports.

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I'm from sports.

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Yeah.

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You have to step on their throat.

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And this is going to be one of the great, uh, uh, I told you so is cause I'm, I'm turning

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into, I'm going to go full psychopath when this comes true.

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And Alex is reinstated and popular among everyone because none of you fucks stepped on his throat

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and I'm going to blame all of you.

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I'm going to blame Mark, I'm going to blame everybody who said, Oh, the judge is cool.

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Nope.

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Fuck all those judges.

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Fuck all of those people.

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But I don't step on his throat because here we are.

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But I'm not sure that in their capacities, in those circumstances, there was any way

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to metaphorically step on his throat.

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I understand what you're saying and then I blame all of you and society for creating

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a situation where in all of you behave stupid instead of not stupid.

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It's fair to blame society.

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I'll give you that one.

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Okay.

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So, uh, yeah, just a bunch of dumb, dumb shitheads, uh, talking about Alex and here's another

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one.

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So another example of someone that's gone through the same thing is obviously Andrew

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Tate, which you retweeted earlier.

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We've got Tristan on stage at Tristan and we've got Alex Jones back on X.

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We'd love your thoughts on your experience getting censored and congratulations on finally

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being able to walk free.

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Well, thank you very much as, as most of you know, I am free now to travel the entire country

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of Romania.

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That's another step on the way to my eventual exoneration.

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Um, this isn't as much of a setup as, as people think, but obviously I can't talk too much

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about the case.

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Yeah, I probably wouldn't either.

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All right.

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So now the panel on this show that really loves to ask the hard questions and thinks

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about here, you know, it's important to hear from all sides has been the Laura Loomer,

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Jack Pessobic and Andrew Tate's brother.

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The woman who handcuffed herself to Twitter's door.

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The guy who almost pissed his pants in fear, eating at comic ping pong while trying to

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push pizza gate and a dude who's definitely going to prison for organized crime and sex

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trafficking.

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I honestly cannot imagine why advertisers wouldn't want to be associated with this kind

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of platform.

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So that's the owner of the fucking site shows up and hangs out for like two hours with these

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shitheads.

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Yeah.

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Recently the Tate brothers have gotten their geographical restrictions loosened up, so

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now they can travel around Romania as long as they get the court's permission first.

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The criminal charges are very much still pending and Andrew Tate is being sued by four women

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for multiple sex crimes in addition to that.

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There's that old saying, you know, a person by the company they keep and man, this is

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bad company.

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Like that band, bad company, the song, bad company, man, just all the, all the name,

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you know, it is, I just like the names don't even have meaning anymore.

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It's just that collection of sounds makes me tense up, you know, like, like, like a

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baboon scream in the, in the distance, you're like evolutionary, like your body tenses up.

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You're like, I got to fight, like just hearing Andrew, like that name, not even a name, not

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a name to me.

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It's just a collection of sounds that make fucking Wolverine claws pop out of my hand.

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You see this collection of people and I know that it's hacky to say nightmare blunt rotation,

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but like, but really that is, this is a, this is a worst thing I could think of.

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This is a room where if I walked into it, you couldn't stop me from getting out of that

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room.

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Yeah.

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Immediately.

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Yeah.

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And I, uh, I don't know how they would run a space with the horses.

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That's not how horses, you understand what I'm saying?

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I do.

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And shit gets worse because there's apparently a voice from the other side that's allowed

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in the mix here.

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And of course the other side, it's one of the crescent steam brother.

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There we go.

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Brian, before we move on to, to the war in Ukraine and the war in Gaza, I'll give you

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the mic for a quick question.

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Yeah.

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So, so before I asked you a question, I just want to say, uh, we're probably about as far

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politically away from each other as anybody can get.

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I disagree with you on probably so much.

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Uh, but I think dialogue's key.

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Uh, and I think I even advocated for your banning at one point, probably like 2017 or

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something like that.

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And when we were banned in 2019, you were literally the only person to actually speak

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out for us.

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So I thank you for that.

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Um, so I guess my question would be, uh, like, what are your thoughts about the new X, uh,

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community notes?

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Obviously that's going to help fact checking.

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Have, have you played around with community news?

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Do you understand how that works and how do you think that's going to be used, whether

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it's for you or against you?

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I welcome community notes.

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I mean, I think that it's not censorship.

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It's a community square.

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Or you want a better answer ding dong, all the idiots who like Alex's shit already think

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community notes are bullshit and they just ignore them.

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Yeah, I was going to say, plus Alex was on his show days before this workshopping with

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callers how to evade the notes in the first place.

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It's an incompetent system that applies literally no pressure or pushback on misinformation,

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but it is designed to give the image of doing exactly that, which is why Alex doesn't have

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a problem with it.

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It poses zero threat to his ability to spread bullshit.

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So it's fine.

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Yeah.

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And like, I understand it's like, oh, there's fact checking there.

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Like, oh, if someone posts something wrong, then the thing that's right is underneath.

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Hey, guess what?

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All those people are still making money off those wrong posts.

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I mean, I, uh, hilarious.

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Yeah.

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There's still a giant financial incentive in posting the bullshit that gets notes that

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people ignore.

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Yeah.

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The idea that that matters is absurd, absurd.

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But here's the thing, Alex loves being corrected.

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That's why he loves the idea of these community notes.

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Still updated stuff, crazy statement is the answer is being able to respond to it.

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And so I really welcome community notes because then it's not some big corporation like Microsoft

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with their news guard.

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Who's got one of the worst records actually of fruitfulness out there telling you that

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they're the arbiter of truth and using fly methods like Snopes and others do to deceive

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people.

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I welcome developed by Sylvester still welcome people correcting me, you know, when I'm on

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the radio slash TV to my weekday shows at info wars, I've got a crew and they're running

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it and they don't tell me what to say or do, but a couple of times a day they said, Hey,

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you just set a date wrong or you just, you just said something that they know is wrong.

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And then I, I correct it cause I never consciously get something wrong.

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But when you're talking three, four hours a day, you make mistakes.

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And so I think that that's what this is all about.

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And so I really look forward to the effect.

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You know, I want people that politically disagree with me to come on.

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That's much better radio and TV.

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But you know, the internet put people in their own silos where we don't communicate with

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each other.

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And half the time we're disagreeing with the other side because we have a distorted perspective

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of what they're saying.

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And so just to be clear, Alex is saying that in his belief, his enemies have a distorted

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view of who he is.

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This is not a two way street.

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He's sure he knows exactly who his enemies are and they all work for the devil.

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He's trying to paint this as a thing where the two sides just need to get together and

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realize they're not so different, but that conversation is not going to be give and take.

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Uh, and we've seen it a bunch of times.

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The two sides need to get together in a room where they can either join my side or never

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leave the room again, but it would be good radio because it would just be Alex yelling

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at someone and making an ass of himself like he did with bill layers.

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I mean, that's good stuff.

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That was pretty good.

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As Alex loves being corrected, you'd think at some point he'd get on air and issue a

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correction based on the literal thousands of things we've talked about that he's been

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wrong about, was lying about, or just entirely made up.

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I imagine his engagement with community notes won't be any better and within a month or

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so, I would expect him to come up with a conspiracy about leftists within the community notes

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structure working against him.

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I wouldn't be too surprised if he tried to make some hay out of that at a certain point.

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Like obviously you have no problem with community notes because it doesn't really threaten you.

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But Alex is somebody who gets annoyed and I could see him being annoyed by it to the

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point where he comes up with a conspiracy about the notes.

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Well, I mean the notes are good for two groups of people.

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They're good for the group of people who likes to see people on the far right say stuff that

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is obviously wrong and then they're like, ha ha, I bet they care, the idiots.

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And then there's the other group of people who it's important to and those are the people

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who work at Twitter who get to complain about how evil it is and how terrible it is for

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those people.

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There's a third group then too and that is the people who want to cover their ass and

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pretend that they're doing something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely that.

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Pretend that this has any impact whatsoever on misinformation.

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That the people like Elon Musk, who coincidentally is about to show up, he shows up and he has

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a question for Alex right out of the gate.

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And Alex, look, I honestly don't really know you and you don't know me, but...

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Wait, I thought Alex like had dinner with Musk and hung out with him with Rogan.

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I mean, I don't know.

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Oh man, maybe that was all made up.

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Maybe.

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You know, one of the questions I really have to just get out of the way, and you've probably

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talked about this already before, is the whole Sandy Hook thing.

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And you know, because it's not like obviously if somebody's sort of denying or that murders

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of children, that's not cool at all.

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And so just what exactly did you say and what is going on with that situation, you know?

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I just would like to actually hear what did you say and yeah.

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Well, well, Elon, thank you for allowing me back into the public square.

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Oh man, so yeah, this is, you know, it's good, it's good.

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Really starting the conversation off right.

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Asking Alex, hey man, it's not cool for somebody to deny the deaths of children.

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What was up with that, man?

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What was up?

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I appreciate the massive, ridiculous, and overinflated ego that comes with somebody

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saying stuff like, why don't you tell me what you said?

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Because it comes along with two things.

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It comes along first with, I'll know if you're lying to me, because I'm a genius.

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I have done no looking into this of my own accord, which could be done very easily.

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All I need to do is look a man in the eye and hear what he has to say and I'll know

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if he's being honest with me.

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I don't even think it's that.

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I think it's just a please lie to me in a way that allows me to cover my own ass about

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this.

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And that was the other thing.

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That's what people want Alex to do.

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They're just like, please just make it okay for me to not be mad at you or whatever.

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I don't really care what you did.

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Obviously, we never did.

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We were helping harass the Sandy Hook families.

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So Alex is like, hey man, you want the short answer or the long answer?

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Good question.

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I don't know.

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Would you like the short answer or the medium answer or the long answer?

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I think at least the medium answer.

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I guess people just want to know, obviously, it would be heartless and cruel to deny a

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school shooting of children or to attack the parents or anyone who is involved.

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It seems that that would be just incredibly mean and cruel, frankly.

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So that's what a lot of people are upset about, or at least they think that is the reason

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they're upset about.

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And if that were true, I think we would rightly be upset with you.

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Oh, okay.

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I mean, that's well communicated.

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I think we know the stakes of this conversation.

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So he wants at least the medium version.

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And here goes, Alex is going to jump into what we obviously know is going to be a lie.

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Yes, sir.

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Well, please let me then just tell you what really happened, okay?

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Yes, sir.

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And if you want me to send you a dossier with clicks, I mean, post this to your account,

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you know?

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Yes, sir.

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I will do that.

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So let me let me tell you what happened.

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I'm a guy that didn't go to college for a few years, community college.

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I started out on Access TV.

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Nope.

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Already done.

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I was not professionally trained.

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And by 19, by 2016, I tell you what happened, but first, conservatively, I was the biggest

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shows, biggest Rogan is now we're bigger.

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And I had a very small operation and did not even understand how powerful I was.

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And so when that event is called the school shooting, which I do believe happened, happened

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11 years ago, the internet exploded, and it was the top story for off and on for years

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with all the with all these professors and former school safety people and all of them

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saying they believed it was a drill.

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And I simply covered them covering that what was entered in court against me in both cases

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where I was found guilty by judges, talk in New York.

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There's a judge in Trump's case, not even a jury, his real estate case.

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And and then years later, after Trump got elected, and after I was de platformed, it

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made me bigger.

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And so suddenly, I would wake up and there would be sometimes 100 articles or more a

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day, every major news channel saying that I was currently saying nobody died, currently

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sending people to their houses, currently peeing on graves.

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I don't even know these people's names only said one of their names ever.

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So I love the way Alex is making himself such a squeaky clean, respectable little boy for

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Mr. Musk, calling him sir, or a worm.

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Obviously anybody who followed the case at all or has listened to Alex's shows from the

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time of the shooting knows that he's entirely full of shit.

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The day of the shooting, Alex got on air and suggested it was a false flag.

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He started insinuating that Robbie Parker, one of the parents of a murdered child, was

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an actor almost immediately, long before he ever came into contact with Wolfgang Halbig,

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the wildly discredited school safety administrator he's claiming he just covered.

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Alex didn't just cover Halbig.

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Alex promoted Halbig, all while he had every reason to know that Halbig was literally stalking

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and harassing the parents, insisting they were actors and that their kids never existed.

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Alex had Halbig on the show as an expert and directed his fans to financially support Halbig

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so he could continue his harassment.

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And not only that, Alex paid for his employee, Dan Badandi, to go to Connecticut to join

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in the harassment of Newtown residents, which Alex celebrated and aired on his show as a

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triumphant thing in the Infowar.

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Further, Alex sold Jim Fetzer's book No One Died at Sandy Hook on his website and literally

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all of the quote anomalies Alex was so confused by that made him suspect it was all a hoax

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came directly from either Fetzer or Halbig.

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It was those two and then a third person even closer to Alex, Steve Pechenik, who was feeding

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Alex Crisis actor narratives long before he met Wolfgang Halbig.

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The reality is that Alex wanted to cover Sandy Hook as a fake event because it was an incredibly

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powerful driver of traffic and sales for him.

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Alex understands that emotionally traumatic events are ones that have a way of overwhelming

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people's rational thinking and there are few things that are more traumatic than a mass

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murder of children in a school.

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No one wants to believe that kind of thing could happen, so it's not difficult for talented

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conspiracy theorists to entice people into that false narrative that allows them to not

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accept that reality.

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Alex wanted to cover the story this way and that's why he gravitated towards these bullshit

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experts who were clearly full of shit, like Wolfgang Halbig, Jim Fetzer, and he just has

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a soft spot for Steve so, you know, Steve can do whatever he wants on the show.

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It's a convenient story to pretend that this was the internet, it was, you know, just really

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interested in Sandy Hook and Alex was just covering what these guys were saying, but

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that's cowardly revisionist trash.

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Alex was doing what Alex always does, which is trying to profit from other people's pain.

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There weren't hundreds of stories all the time about Alex, you know, still saying things

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to send people to the victim's family's homes.

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He repeated his defamatory claims about them because he got mad about Neal Hesselin going

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on Megyn Kelly's show and talking about his experience, so some people rightly reported

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that Alex is still saying the things about these families that he said in the past and

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it was the stuff that led to their harassment.

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He has no one to blame for that but himself, and for what it's worth, multiple times under

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oath during his deposition and trial, as well as on air during the trial, Alex repeated

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his assertion that Sandy Hook was probably fake.

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So he can calm the fuck down with his I'm a victim stuff.

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I want to take a quick moment and examine something that Alex said at the beginning

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of that clip though because I think it reveals something important.

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He's trying to dodge responsibility for his actions or minimize them by saying that he

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never went to college and he wasn't formally trained.

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I've listened to countless hours of Alex's show and I can tell you with zero reservation

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that Alex has no respect for formal education or training, particularly in the field of

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journalism.

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The fact of whether he was trained or not should be immaterial here, and Alex is doing

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that and bringing this up just to make his actions look like an innocent mistake.

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Also, if I wasn't trained for the job as a possible excuse for defaming the grieving

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families of dead children and directing harassment in their direction, then I would suggest that

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training for this job should be mandatory.

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Clearly the subject matter being handled by someone in Alex's position is far too sensitive

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and dangerous to be trusted in the hands of someone who's this fucking irresponsible.

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Speaking of which, I wonder if Alex is going to tell Elon that he was drunk on air when

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he said that the families were actors.

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I'm going to guess he's going to avoid that because that's a detail that's just

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there for the cool kid's table when he's trying to sound like a badass rebel.

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Here he's in sniveling worm territory, so that kind of game just isn't going to work,

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and Elon Musk doesn't eat all this shit up.

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It's pathetic.

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Yup.

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No other, nothing else to say, just yup, it's garbage.

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I have plenty to say, and I mean at a certain point this is not our first time going down

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this road.

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No.

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It's interesting to hear it being gone down with Elon Musk though.

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Yeah, I mean I'm just now more interested in like, because here's the, how could I put

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it this way?

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I think that in the concept that I'm given by people that the law matters, right?

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And so that means that the case has been handled with Alex.

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The case is over.

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The law has done its job, right?

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So at this point on, everything that Alex gets to do is everybody else's fault.

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Not Alex's.

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Because the law has handled it, right?

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So that means that the Sandy Hook chapter is closed in terms of what people can argue

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about.

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It's been done in the law, so that's that.

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And if you don't like the results of that, which I have a hard time imagining anybody

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does, that's your fault.

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That's our fault.

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Again, that is the justice system's fault.

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That's everybody's fault, but Alex's.

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At this point, Alex is playing with house money and he can do whatever he wants and

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whatever he gets to do is our fault.

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As a society, we take responsibility for that.

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And I think that it is just so disgusting, I guess, on some level that people will not

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inform themselves in any way about the reality of these situations to the point where Alex

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has free rein to just lie about what the case is about, what he did, what anything happened.

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That to me is such an abdication of any concern on the part of everybody in this call, quite

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frankly.

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Right.

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Well, to me, these people are supposed to be shitheads.

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That's what they do.

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That's their job.

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It is the media's job, ostensibly, to not allow that to happen.

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I feel like sometimes they try, but it's-

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I mean, in this case, from what I saw of the past weekend, I think they work for Alex.

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I think they do.

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I think, genuinely speaking, somewhere along the line, money works for Alex now.

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No longer.

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We talk about this a bit, though.

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That is the, yeah, it's gonna drive traffic to have a story about Alex being back on Twitter

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and it's not in service of the public being informed.

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It's not really helping anything, but it will drive traffic, and so that's what's done.

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I would be stoked, honestly, I would be stoked if that's all they did.

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If all they did was write, Alex Jones is back on Twitter.

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That's news, I get it.

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That's fine.

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Then they go on to say, Alex Jones was back on Twitter.

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He apologized for- they lie.

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They lie because it's easier than actually doing their job.

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And they do it all the time.

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Yeah, no one wants to do this job.

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No, it's hard.

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That's why I end up doing it.

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Exactly.

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Like, Musk does call out one thing that Alex says about the Sandy Hook stuff, and it seems

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like an interesting, like, ask for more information, but it's really not.

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Yeah.

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Now, and I believe their children died, and I understand all that, but I'm saying, imagine

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I was not a platform, no mention of the school shooting in Connecticut for, like, six, seven

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years.

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Then they go back to my timeline, and it turns out it was a big New York PR firm, Democratic

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Party.

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They dredge it up.

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They run hundreds of articles, sometimes a day, but a week for over a year.

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Suddenly it becomes a big story again.

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What's the PR firm?

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Pardon me?

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Which propaganda firm is this?

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PR is a- public relations is a propaganda word for propaganda.

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So I think we should call PR firms propaganda firms, because that is, in fact, a lot of

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what they do.

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Holy shit.

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I will find the name as soon as I'm off, because I can't do two things, I'm not good at doing

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two things at once, I can't walk into a bubblegum, but I will post it to the 2X.

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So that's the first really interesting thing that's happened here.

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Elon Musk actually asked Alex a follow-up question that Alex absolutely cannot answer.

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No.

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Alex's story about why he got sued about Sandy Hook was that a PR firm that works with the

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UN and the Democratic Party got mad at him because he was too popular and Trump got elected,

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so they went through his history and found something they could attack him over.

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This is absolute bullshit, but I've never seen anyone call Alex out on it when he repeats

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it.

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No, that's true.

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Alex's answer is really interesting, that he can't remember the name of the PR firm.

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It's interesting because here's Alex from like 35 minutes earlier in the call, just

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before Elon Musk had shown up.

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Then they had- we later learned, I'm not gonna say names or even get into it because that's

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what they want as attention, but we learned there was a big powerful New York PR firm

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that actually does the PR for the UN and also for some of the CIA operations.

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And that's really what we're talking about here.

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That's all come out in Congress now.

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And then they went and dredged up stuff in my timeline, out of context, blew it up times

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a million, and then said that I was currently doing things I'd never done.

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Just outrageous, horrible things.

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But notice, never proof, never a clip, never a video.

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Plenty of it.

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So that seems a little bit different.

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Alex is never gonna come out and say who this firm is because he's making all this up.

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Alex is a total idiot, but even he knows that if you were to actually make an accusation

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like this about a real business, he will get sued immediately.

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It's really weird to see Musk have the instinct to ask a clarifying question here and yet

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still be completely oblivious to how flagrantly Alex is lying to his face.

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But I think that what's going on is that, you know, Musk has this battle against media

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matters going on right now and all this, and so he considers all them PR firms and stuff.

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Yeah, he didn't want to ask a question, he wanted to say that PR firms were propagandimists.

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Yeah, he wanted to use this as part of his current...

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He was saying something.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He was making a statement in the form of asking Alex a question.

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It's less the point of like, oh, what is that?

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Yeah.

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You know, it's not asking a follow-up question, it's a, can we talk about something I like?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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So Alex gets to admitting that he did say it was fake, which is progress, I guess.

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I guess.

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I did question it.

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I did say at times I could see that, I might even say it now, they'll take it out of context

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and say it again, I did have what they entered in court on me was 23 minutes of video and

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audio over five, six years.

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We did an audit.

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I hadn't talked about them when they sued me for two years.

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I refused to talk about it.

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I apologized when the PR firm got involved, and I know who it was at the time, it was

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just all the news.

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I said, hey, I thought it happened.

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Yeah.

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I said it happened.

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I said it happened.

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I decided it happened five years after it happened.

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So I said, I'm not the Sandy Hook guy.

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It turns out some of these experts that said it didn't happen are crazy.

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They made up stuff.

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I said, I believe it happened.

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And then they spun it and said, oh, now he admits he lied about it.

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So it isn't who I was.

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It's kind of like they've done with you and you did nothing like I did.

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I mean, I did question it.

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I did say a few times that I thought it hadn't happened, but I didn't turn the knife.

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I didn't really think about it.

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I thought about how I was talking about the internet with YouTube videos with 30, 40 million

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views that I didn't make.

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Sure.

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It was a hot topic that would come back from time to time, but no, I was not the creator

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of it.

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I was not the presenter of it.

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I was not the guy pushing it.

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Alex just said that he decided the shooting really happened five years after it happened.

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That would be in December 2017.

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Alex was interviewed on Megyn Kelly's show, which also featured the Neil Hesselin interview

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in June 2017.

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The actions he took trying to attack Hesselin's appearance in that interview are the grounds

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for bringing this suit against him.

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So by his own admission at the time he was on Megyn Kelly, he thought the shooting didn't

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happen and that these people were all fake.

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What's going on here is that Alex is mixing up his timeline because he knows he's talking

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to shitheads who don't actually want the truth.

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They just want Alex to lie to them in a way that gets them off the hook for looking into

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any of this and having to deal with the fact that, oh my God, this guy is a real piece

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of shit.

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So if they go and talk to their friends in real life and they're like, I can't believe

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you talked to Alex, then they can be like, oh, Alex is different.

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He's not what you think.

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Right, right.

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That allows that.

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Whereas if they dealt with this in reality, they couldn't do that.

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They'd be like, I can't do that.

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Yeah.

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They'd be like, why did you talk to Alex?

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Yeah, I know.

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I'm ashamed of that.

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Also, not for nothing, but the idea that Alex is admitting to believing and preaching on

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air that the shooting didn't happen for the first five years isn't helping his case the

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way he thinks it is.

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That was when most of these people were traumatized the most deeply, where the grieving process

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was literally interrupted by violent harassment from idiots who thought that they were actors.

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By saying that he didn't think the shooting happened for the first five years, he's in

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effect admitting to complicity with the worst part of what he's accused of.

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Alex said that he apologized and admitted that some of these experts he relied on to

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make the claims were crazy liars, but this introduces some more problems.

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The first is that one of these so-called crazy liars was Steve Pacenik, who remained a respected

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guest on Alex's show until the 2020 election when he got on Alex's bad side by insisting

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that all the ballots were secretly watermarked.

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The second is that even after this point, Alex continued to repeat the claims made by

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Halbig and Fetzer, the ones that he's conceding these dudes made up.

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Even under oath in his deposition, Alex still clung to some of these things to justify why

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he thought Sandy Hook was suspicious.

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The third problem is that Alex didn't just repeat these guys' claims in a way that would

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be like, Wolfgang Halbig believes X, Y, or Z, read about it here.

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Alex presented the position that it was a fake event with crisis actors as the result

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of him researching the whole thing.

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This wasn't a slip-up.

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He was lying to the audience about doing research about this when in reality he was just parroting

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the insane claims of these liars because it was more interesting to the audience and it

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drove traffic.

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Like Alex said, it was a hot topic.

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At the end there, you get an interesting insight into Alex's mind.

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He says that he wasn't thinking about the shooting and he wasn't turning the knife.

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The thing is, he clearly was turning the knife.

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He wasn't thinking about what he was doing because he didn't care.

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He didn't care that he was lying about people in a way that turned a knife in their wounds.

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They didn't exist to Alex, but the narrative did, and that was a juicy narrative.

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If you can take the deeply traumatic event and blame it on your enemies, that is a powerful

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recruitment tool for the Infowar, and that was what Alex was interested in.

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He didn't give a fuck about these people and what they were going through and what impact

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his actions had on them.

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Yep.

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He's a bad person.

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He is a bad person.

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But he's apologized.

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Yeah, man.

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What is fun about Alex is that because I'm raised in a fiction world, I've always interacted

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with reality through fiction first.

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That kind of concept.

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That's where I learned about a lot of shit from Moby Dick when I was too young for Moby

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Dick.

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That kind of stuff.

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Mainly, don't click MobyDick.com.

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Good tip.

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No.

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It is just like all of the morality tales.

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That idea of the scarlet letter, of the albatross, of all of these things should shove it up

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their ass because in 2023, that does not exist.

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It doesn't exist.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That idea of-

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But also, I think that all of those stories are saying that that's a bad thing to do,

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right?

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I mean, wearing a scarlet letter is not good.

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No, no, no, no.

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I mean, the concept of public shaming and of something being with you forever.

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That kind of idea.

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And I mean it also in terms of like, oh, when he was permanently banned from Twitter.

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That no longer exists.

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We should not even allow-

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But he also wasn't.

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No, I know.

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But I mean, that kind of idea is that we should not even consider the permanently as a part

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of things.

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There's no permanently.

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You can always redo it.

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You can always run it up again.

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Run it back one more time.

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And like whatever kind of public shaming there is, is not effective if you can find a group

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of people who it's profitable for them to deny that you have any reason to be ashamed.

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Yep, absolutely.

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So that's what we're experiencing here.

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But the issue comes down to Alex has apologized so many times.

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So many times.

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No, he has not.

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Not one time.

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Not really, no.

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I mean, in fact, I'll post it to X if you want, that there's over a hundred apologies

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that I've given.

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Over a hundred.

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In fact, probably five hundred.

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Every show I go on, they ask this.

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I apologized on Joe Rogan's show five years ago.

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I apologized on Patrick Ben David's show five years ago.

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I mean, these are prominent ones.

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I apologize on every show, and I'll say it again, I apologize that I just gave my commentary

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because I'm really just a guy that I talk radio host.

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So I do that on the Internet.

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I just take calls and interview guests and that I play devil's advocate.

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And if that hurt people's feelings, I apologize.

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But I did not send people to your houses.

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I did not pee on graves.

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I don't know any of the stuff that went on.

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And then when they had the trials after I was found guilty trials on damages, there

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was never any video of people peeing on graves, any video of people at houses.

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I love the idea that Alex has this, like whenever he needs to get out of trouble for stuff,

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I'm just a talk show host, you know, I'm just, you know, I'm an untrained, I didn't go to

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college guy.

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And then on his show, he's screaming about how God chose him to fight the devil.

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He has prophetic visions and he's never wrong.

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Shit.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Nonsense.

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Yep.

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When I'm around anybody who might hold me accountable, I'm just a regular old person

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who can't be held accountable.

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Right.

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And when I'm not around anybody who can hold me accountable, not even God can hold me accountable,

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you motherfuckers.

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Yeah.

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Because I am basically an entity that requires you to change your religious beliefs.

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Yes.

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If you accept me, you have to change your religion.

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If you accept Alex, you have to accept, uh, boy so much.

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Alexism.

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Like I honestly am getting to the point where I'm thinking this is more like cult shit than

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maybe we give it credit for.

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It has to be, yeah.

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So none of the Alex's apologies are real.

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They're all like this, complete bullshit, lies about what he did, followed by a performative

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if I, if that hurt you, I'm sorry.

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There's no apology without responsibility.

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And Alex is literally incapable of taking responsibility for his actions.

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The perfect encapsulation of that is him insisting, I never sent anyone to your homes.

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And maybe that's true in the sense that he never literally ordered anyone to go to people's

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homes.

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However, he promoted and preached that these people were actors faking, having had their

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family murder, uh, family members murdered so that they could be used to take away American

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citizens' guns.

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They were being used as a weapon against the second amendment and they were willing participants

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in that.

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This put a giant target on these grieving people, which was only made worse by Alex's

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frequent comments that people needed to look into what's going on there and all that.

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Beyond that, Alex literally did send Dan Badandi to Newtown to harass people.

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So maybe he didn't go to their homes, but he did go to their town and let's not forget

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that he was fundraising for Wolfgang Halbig, who was using those funds to continue his

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campaign of harassment against these people where he literally did go to their homes.

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I know that Alex doesn't want to feel responsible for his part in this, but that doesn't really

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matter.

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Until he stops dodging this aspect of things, his apologies don't really matter.

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Also, no one was accusing Alex of peeing on a grave and I don't know why he would expect

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there to be video of it.

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What happened was that Mark and Jackie Barden received a letter from someone who claimed

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that he had peed on their seven-year-old son's grave.

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They got another letter threatening to dig it up to prove that their son didn't exist.

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Alex has taken this unthinkably painful detail that the family shared during the trial and

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he's weaponizing it for his own purposes.

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Alex still doesn't give a single shit about any of these people and the pain he was causing

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and was a part of causing.

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And it would really do Elon a lot of good to look into the actual reality of this instead

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of relying on a liar to tell you the truth about it.

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Like, that's so dumb.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Pointless exercise.

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I can't believe I harp on this so much.

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But I do.

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It's just, his apologies are so fucking...

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I can't understand how the world doesn't just listen to what he says, because I understand

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using the word, sorry, S-O-R-R-Y, I understand that exists in a sentence.

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It's not a magic word.

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But if your sentence structure is like this, here is why what you're telling me I did wrong

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wasn't that bad.

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And I didn't do it.

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Second step, here is why what you're telling me I did wrong is probably something that

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I didn't even do.

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Third step, here is why what you're telling me wrong hurts me, and you should apologize

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to me for hurting my feelings.

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I'm really the victim.

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Here is why.

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Step number four, so anyways, I hope that now we can be fine after you apologize to

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me.

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Yeah.

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And if any of this bullshit that really I'm the victim and all of that is somehow inconveniences

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you, I'm sorry.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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It's meaningless.

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You should pretend that adding the word sorry to that is an affront to language itself.

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True.

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And so Alex talks a little bit more in this next clip about how he is really the victim

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and all this.

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Yeah, there we go.

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I challenge people to find me say any of their names.

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I said one guy's name and I apologized to him on the stand.

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The thing had probably 100 million views on five or six different YouTube videos of him

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smiling and laughing before he walked to the mic.

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I played the clip one time and said, yeah, that looks like he's an actor.

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I did not attack him, did not come after him, did not say his child didn't die.

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Look, I don't want to fight with him though.

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I said to them in a deposition, I said, I will chop my pinky finger off with a, with

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a, with a meat cleaver right now.

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I will if you'll just leave me alone and stop saying I made hundreds of millions of dollars

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off of you and stop saying I'm attacking you.

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So, so it's, so it's very simple.

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I had become, and I don't, I know what happened.

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The media ran a year of articles attacking them in my name, saying things I never said

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as a straw man and raging them against me.

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And then, so they, they've been victimized, they've been manipulated by a PR operation.

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And so I would love to come on X with the families.

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I'd love to raise money on this show or your show, Elon or any of them.

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I'd love to come on here and raise them $10 million for gun safety awareness next week.

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I would love to, I would love to, to be in an open panel with them.

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I would love.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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It looks, it actually looks like, uh, uh, Ed Krasinski wants to talk.

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Oh God.

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So Alex just said that for five years he thought the shooting didn't happen.

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By definition, he was saying that Robbie Parker's child didn't exist.

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This is such lazy bullshit and I can't believe Musk can be persuaded this easily.

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Like how can he possibly go through life if he is this uncurious about liars clearly lying

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to you?

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If you take somebody into, out of their circumstance and put them in a different circumstance and

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then ask them a question about something that can often help you understand what it is they're

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saying in that other circumstance.

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For instance, if you were to ask Alex, would you be so easily tricked by a PR firm?

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He would say, no, I'm not that stupid.

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And then we go over here into this scenario and he says, oh, these families, they've been

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tricked by these PR firms, by these lawyers, by all of these things.

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Now, if you understand how language works, that means he's calling them stupid.

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Sure.

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And he's entirely invalidating the entire perspective and autonomy of the families by

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insisting that the media and the PR firms incited them against him.

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Everything.

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He's literally incapable of accepting responsibility for his actions and cannot conceive of a reality

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where these people don't like him for the reasons they say.

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If they think Alex is bad, their opinion can't possibly be genuine because Alex knows that

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he's super good.

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Yeah.

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I want to point out is how dangerous a game Alex is playing here.

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The families clearly don't want to engage in media bullshit games with him, like coming

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on a panel, something that would be literally just whitewashing PR for Alex.

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Yeah.

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But what he's doing has a very real potential to restart a fair amount of harassment.

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It's not a very difficult thing to imagine Alex's fans doing some kind of why won't you

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do a panel with Alex kind of shit.

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And I find it difficult to imagine that Alex doesn't understand that that is a potential

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outcome of what he's doing.

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Like he's putting more likely attention and harassment in their direction and that's probably

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not good.

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Yeah.

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I mean I think it will be an interesting test to see what kind of a deterrent Alex's court

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case actually was towards future harassment like this.

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You know?

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Because if Alex's fans continue harassing, I think that says everything you need to know.

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I would imagine that they will not.

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Well.

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So.

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Musk takes this question from Ed Krasenstein.

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So we've had both Krasenstein brothers.

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Who are the Krasensteins?

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What are they?

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Are they the ones?

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Were they the Facebook ones?

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They were...

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No, that's the Winklevoss twins.

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Yeah, they're the ones who were with the people who founded Facebook.

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I don't even know what brothers exist anymore.

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Which are the Property Brothers?

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Are they the Krasensteins?

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The Property Brothers are those weirdos on TV.

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Okay.

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In flip houses.

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All right.

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The Krasenstein brothers are guys who had Twitter presence and they were real, like,

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blue wave, hashtag resistance type...

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Oh, like the 2017 people who got popular on Twitter.

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A lot of, like, Trump is gonna go to prison, don't you agree?

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Sure, sure, sure.

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Kind of engagement farming.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Kind of stuff.

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Those guys.

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And then I think there also was some scams and fake accounts and I didn't follow it too

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closely.

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Yeah.

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I'm not an expert on the Krasenstein brothers because I think they're just, I don't know,

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social media shitheads for the most part.

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But they're ostensibly on the left, and so that's why they are, like, sort of a left-wing

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voice in this thing.

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So now we've got both of them, though.

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Good to have you guys there.

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Already heard from Brian.

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Now Ed's gonna come in.

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Ed Krasenstein wants to talk.

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Ed, it could be good to hear from you.

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Yes, so I kind of have the question for you, Elon.

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So let's say that...

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Okay.

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Well, okay.

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I mean, this is not an opportunity to interview me.

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It will be.

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Yeah.

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Can we go to Alex Jones, though?

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Okay.

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It'll be an interesting...

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So let's say Alex Jones or somebody else does the same thing but clearly directly claims

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that a school shooting did not take place when we know it did.

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Does that future person or Alex Jones get banned or is the new policy that they remain?

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We need to look at the circumstances there.

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The rule that we're trying to follow here is to obey the law, obey the laws of the United

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States and the laws of the countries in which X is present and really do our best to not

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go beyond the law on the premise that if the people wish the law to be different, then

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the people will ask their representatives or their leaders to change the law.

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But otherwise, our goal is to hew as closely to the law as possible.

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So if somebody says something that is unlawful, then we will take action.

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If someone does not do something that is unlawful, then we would aspire to not take action.

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So I guess the answer is that you can deny school shootings on Twitter.

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That's fine.

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This dude's a real piece of shit.

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He's hiding behind this thin veneer of pretending that his rules on Twitter are just gonna be

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in line with the law of the country, but that's not at all how he's operated.

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Within the last month, he said that using the word decolonization was a euphemism that

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quote necessarily implied genocide, which wasn't going to be allowed.

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Cool.

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Does the law of the United States say that you can't use the word decolonization?

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It seems like Elon's extending past the law of the land there because he wants to.

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In November of last year, Elon kicked off a bunch of people for making parody accounts

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about him.

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Was that against the law of the land or was that Musk just being a little fucking baby?

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Saying that you'll allow whatever speech is allowed by law is a perfect way to run cover

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for why you're not kicking off the racist trolls and lying grifters who are Elon's main

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fan base.

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It just rings a little bit hollow and that's clearly not the standard that you're using.

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And to be clear, Elon's free to use whatever standard he likes, so long as he's not restricting

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people based on a protected class.

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It is his business.

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He did buy it, but it's a pathetic charade to pretend what he's doing is guided by adherence

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to the law in protecting speech.

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It's just, I don't know.

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It's a farce.

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It is, it is a, it is like a, a guy going out of his way to make me not like him.

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Yeah.

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Because there is, there is one, I mean, one thing he could do that nobody would even be

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mad at him about is if he was just like, I am going to behave whimsically.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to evaluate each on a case by case basis, depending on how I feel on that day.

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Maybe he will be banned and maybe he won't, I don't fucking care.

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Get ready.

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It's chaos world.

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Absolutely.

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If I said that, I'd be like, this is a shithead who needs to be stopped, but that's a great

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thing to say.

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Good on you, buddy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's the pretending that you're just like, oh, well adhere to the laws.

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Oh, fuck you.

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That's just a way to like, not have people leave every, Oh man.

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It's just everybody who says they're so courageous as a coward.

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Everybody says they're smart as fucking stupid.

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It's annoying.

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Completely unrelated to that.

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Yeah.

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The vague Ramaswami shows up.

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It's annoying.

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So here he jumps in.

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I think there's two kinds of ways to worry if you're worried about the spread of misinformation

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or false facts.

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One is let's deal with the content of the speech itself.

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And Elon talked about community notes as being imperfect though it is maybe the best method

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out there on the internet.

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And I think that that's one set of discussions to have.

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It's quite a different thing from what the law certainly looks at as the most draconian

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first amendment violation, which is what it calls a prior restraint, which is to previously

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just restrain a person from speaking period.

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And I think that that is no matter what the content of the speech is, it's quite a different

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thing to say that because of who you are or what you have said in the past, you may not

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say another thing in the future.

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And so I just think that those are two different concepts.

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And I just, for one, just wanted to share my experience of my Alex Jones experience,

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if I may.

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That is perfectly said.

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That's because you don't cut somebody's tongue out.

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Even if I did bad things in the past, but you know what, if you, I mean, but if people

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say false things, they deserve to have the consequences for that particular speech aired

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out in the marketplace of opinions and community notes is one feature of doing that.

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And I think that's a legitimate discussion to have.

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All these people love community notes because they are entirely ineffective in terms of

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limiting misinformation.

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Yeah, it's the best.

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It's important to understand that they love this system because it's pretending to address

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the problem of how they make money, but it's actually not doing anything.

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Literally every post Alex puts up could be community noted and the people who want to

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believe him will ignore each one.

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Prior restraint is a fun way for Vivek to describe being booted from Twitter, but it's

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not the same as having your ability to speak taken from you.

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This is a group of adults, including one of the richest people in the world and a guy

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pretending to run for president sitting around whining about how they used to have to worry

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about being suspended from Twitter.

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This is a fucking embarrassing look.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If I was, if I was alive right now, I'd be like real embarrassing.

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Yeah.

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What would, what would our grandparents think of the political system working like this?

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I genuinely, I genuinely 100% believe that.

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I believe that we could go back in time, explain what's going on to a Neanderthal.

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They would purely understand it instantly and then be like, well, we got to kill all

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humans.

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That's what we got to do.

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We can't go down this road.

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Homosapien must be destroyed.

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Neanderthal forever.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Anyway, I will say that Elon Musk makes an interesting point in this next clip about

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people who should maybe be booted from social media.

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Interesting.

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As Alex said earlier, I mean, and this is, I just not meant to be any kind of, any kind

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of attack on George Bush, but George Bush did say George for a second, did say that

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they were WMDs in Iraq.

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He said it not once, but, but many times.

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And that, and a lot, that was, that was, that there was, there was, he did not have sufficient

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evidence to make the, to make that.

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And a lot more DPO died as a consequence of that statement than of anything that Alex

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Jones has incorrectly said.

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I have not killed anybody.

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I have not killed anybody.

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You know, Alex, I think one of the things I just wanted to share with people is that

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I was actually just curious about this guy, Alex Jones, you know, I'd never met him, but

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I happened to be in Texas.

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I visited the Southern border and you know, I popped in Austin on the way back or somewhere.

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I forget where we were in.

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I heard Alex Jones was, that's where he was.

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I said, I want to meet this guy that everybody says don't meet.

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And so we sat down and I was actually surprised and we actually aired it on X or we, or I,

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I put out the clips of it on X, I can't remember on like a podcast format.

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And so I was expecting to get in a debate about the Sandy Hook thing.

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And as soon as I opened up, what I get is a guy apologized for being wrong.

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And then we moved on and talked about something else.

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Oh, wow.

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So in terms of what Elon was saying, fine, kick Bush off Twitter then yeah.

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It's interesting that for these guys, the deaths in Iraq are the result of speech.

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Like somehow Bush saying that there were weapons of mass destruction was the underlying cause

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of their deaths.

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There were decisions made and actions taken that led to the war and misleading the country

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about this was something that they use speech to do.

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But is a public figure lying against the first amendment, the law of the land that he cares

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so much about?

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In a situation like this, they're perfectly able to take speech and then abstract it out

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to the consequences of actions taken related to that speech.

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Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction, which was a part of creating a larger public

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support for the idea of going to war.

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The problem really isn't the speech itself, it's the results of it.

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The lie is bad, but the results are really what you care about, like all the dead civilians.

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Now let's expand this out to Alex's situation.

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He lied about families of murder victims being actors and that their loved ones never existed

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or died.

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The speech itself there is bad and I think they're all right thinking people would consider

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it distasteful, but the real problem is the results of that speech.

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That speech was part of creating an environment where the victims were targets of harassment

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and receiving threats like having their children's graves desecrated and shit like that.

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Yeah, neither of these results were necessarily what the person was going for.

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Bush wasn't setting out specifically to kill civilians, he just didn't really care if that

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happened as a result of the thing that he was intending to do.

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Alex didn't set out specifically to terrorize his families, he just didn't really care if

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that was the result of him doing the kind of coverage that he wanted to do.

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This should be a simple thing for Elon to grasp if he's bringing this up as some kind

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of a free speech issue, and yet he remains a buffoon.

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Also to Vivek's point, Alex didn't apologize for being wrong when you talked to him, he

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lied about what he did and then did the performance of a bad apology in order to diffuse the situation

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and make sure you didn't explore the point anymore and realize that you were talking

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to a monster.

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But whatever.

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So when Vivek brought up The Great Replacement Theory, I was so disappointed because the

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funniest thing in the world could have happened, which is just one of them turning and looking

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at Vivek and just being like, yeah, Burgum should have been standing there.

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It would have been so fucking funny, and it would have ended everybody's lives.

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We would all have clapped and walked away from the United States into the oceans and

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returned to our dolphin brethren.

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I believe that's what would have happened.

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You a Doug guy?

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You a big Doug guy?

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Yeah, that's what I was referencing.

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I want to make clear about something.

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I know nothing about Doug Burgum.

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Me neither.

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I know nothing about him.

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Never even knew the name existed.

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Now that I do, he's gone.

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It's amazing.

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Yeah, he's gotten out of the GOP primary.

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I know nothing about him, but I apparently made one too many jokes about supporting his

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candidacy.

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Sure.

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That sounds right.

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Yep.

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Maybe next time.

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Oh well.

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So Elon complains-

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Go Burgetum.

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That was all right.

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Elon complains here a little bit about PR firms.

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Just to elaborate on the public relations firms, PR firms, which really should be called

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propaganda firms, because that's literally public relations is literally a propaganda

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word for propaganda.

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You can read the history of how public relations was developed.

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Edward Bernays.

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Correct.

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So the way that PR firms actually corrupt the media is actually in a very significant

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way, is that journalists are paid very little as journalists, but they can later retire

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and join a PR firm and make a lot of money on the basis of the articles they've written

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in the past and their contacts at their publication.

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So there is actually a strong monetary incentive, very strong for corruption of the traditional

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media.

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Elon, Elon, it's so glad you said that because people don't understand that's how these work

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and I'm just now learning about that.

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The PR firms are so powerful, they're full of intelligence agency, former people.

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So just like a general will sign off on some bad weapons system, then he retires and gets

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on the major board of the defense contractor for 5 million a year.

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It's a revolving door.

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And so that's why when these big PR firms snap-

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It's not like that.

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If they jump, the media says how high and you're actually right.

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When it comes to fact checking, they're really one of the most nasty, deceptive groups out

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there.

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Yeah.

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They're propaganda firms.

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It would just make a lot more sense if you just think PR firm equals propaganda, PR equals

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propaganda.

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That is literally what it means.

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And if you read this-

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I think you're dropping out, Elon.

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Is he dropping out?

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Is he dropping out for anyone else?

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Yeah, he's dropping off for me.

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Elon, you said-

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You just dropped out, Elon.

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I think you're back now.

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Oh, okay.

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Sorry.

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Is your mic working?

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It's good now.

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It's good now.

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My mic is working, but I'm just-

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You're back.

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You were on PR firms.

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You were on PR firms equal propaganda.

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Yes.

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The public groups should really understand that public relations literally just means

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propaganda.

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PR firm means propaganda.

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And the PR firms have very strong control over the traditional media because that's

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where journalists go to retire and make tons of money.

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So there's a very strong monetary incentive for journalists to do what the PR firms say

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because they know that that is where they're going to get rich in the future.

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Bingo.

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Bingo.

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So this is complete insanity, but it makes sense for Elon to have this stance.

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He's been acting like an erratic asshole, posting all kinds of racist and antisemitic

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shit associated with some of the most bigoted accounts on his own website, and people notice.

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Because people notice, there are articles about his behavior and he needs to come up

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with a good excuse for why that is.

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It's not because his behavior is unacceptable and really scary considering his position.

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It's because PR firms are all propaganda outlets out to get him.

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Now I'll go with him halfway on this.

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Sure.

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I don't think that PR as an institution is a really great thing.

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I've always been averse to marketing and advertising in their entirety, but what Elon's saying

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is fucking idiotic.

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Yeah.

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In fact, when Elon took over Twitter, one of the things he did was to diminish the PR

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department.

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This was probably because that was the point of contact for journalists, that they could

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contact the company and ask for comment on things like him letting all the Nazis back

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on the site.

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However, in time, Musk realized that he kind of needed PR in order to run his company,

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so now he just calls it, quote, business operations.

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They even brought in Joe Benarock as the head of this effort, a guy whose previous jobs

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were director of Facebook's small business and international advertising, as well as

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the executive vice president of communications for NBC.

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Elon operates like a child.

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He makes a big mess, and then Linda Iacorino and the rest of the corporate PR that's not

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called PR inside Twitter work like mad to clean it up and save the company from losing

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more money.

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He's like somebody who thinks doing laundry is a scam because someone else always does

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his laundry.

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Also, journalists definitely aren't paid enough, but they don't just do the bidding of PR firms

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so they can get a job with them after they retire.

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I'd like to see any backing of this claim in this, but that's a conspiracy theory that

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belongs on Infowars.

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Yeah, I mean, that makes, I get when you're like lobbyists or politicians who then, yeah,

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that makes, yeah, revolving door.

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That makes perfect sense.

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It's not quite analogous.

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I don't remember Woodward being like, ah, no, I'm a PR flak.

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But maybe he was.

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Actually, he probably was.

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I bet Woodward was a PR flak.

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But this also seems to imply that PR is not a profession of its own.

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I don't even know what we're talking about, to be honest.

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Right.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, just sort of stuff that exists in Elon's brain.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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So we've got a question for Elon here.

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Elon, a question is more for Alex and Alex, me and Alex were discussing it before he jumped

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on is the pressure, if any, that you've faced since reinstating or since you said you'll

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reinstate Alex.

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Now, Alex, you know, kind of referred to extreme scenarios where your life could be in danger

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because of what you're doing with X.

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I know you mentioned it briefly in one of the first spaces we had.

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You made a joke about, hey, guys, if something happens to me, I'll never commit suicide.

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But how much pressure have you faced in recent months?

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Obviously, we've seen the back and forth with a few organizations that are trying to censor

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others.

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And has that increased since you reinstated Alex?

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I mean, at this point, reading the sort of legacy media is just depressing.

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I imagine so.

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Accidentally, once in a while, we'll go see like Google News or whatever or, you know,

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Yahoo News or whatever, some random thing.

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I'm like-

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I'll accidentally Google my name every five seconds for the rest of my life.

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The quality of the propaganda isn't even good.

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Look, if you're going to do propaganda, at least make it entertaining.

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And I find it-

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That's why he likes Alex.

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It's dull, boring, you know, and just not even well-written.

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Well, that's right, they'll put out one thing and then they all parrot it.

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It's a dog-

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Yeah, it's like lazy propaganda.

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It's like work harder.

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Hey, we've got Andrew Tate here as well.

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Andrew, how are you?

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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Andrew, your mic, is it working?

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You got to unmute bottom left corner.

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Can you hear me?

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We can, yeah.

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How are you?

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Yeah, I'm good, friend.

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This is the battle for humanity against the Satanists and the Matrix with its constant

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deception of the populace.

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I thought I would jump in and say hello to everybody.

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This is good stuff.

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Now, the second Tate brother has shown up.

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We have got two collections of shithead brothers, the Krasnsteins and the Tates.

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Both Tates have a sibilant S?

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They sound exactly the same.

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That is insane.

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When Tristan-

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And now I can't stop thinking about it.

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When Tristan was on earlier, I thought like, that's Andrew.

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That S-

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He sounds almost exactly the same.

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Yeah.

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I can't believe they both have the same sibilant S. That's freaking me out.

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Well, maybe it's practiced.

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That does seem fake.

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That would make sense.

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So I guess there's no real answer to whether or not Elon's life is in danger or there's

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pressure.

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He just took the opportunity to complain about how boring MSM propaganda is.

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Yeah.

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Fine.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's just getting depressing, really, reading all of the people point out how fucking

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stupid I am.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It's just getting negative indications about my business and shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I imagine it must be a little bit like going home every day to when my mom would be like,

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your dad's going to be home after I did something wrong at school.

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And just never not doing it.

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Just continuing to do it.

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What if you get on Google and your dad will be home soon?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it might as well be that.

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It really is.

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And he's just like, nah, I think I'll just keep doing the exact same shit.

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Fine.

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So Alex is pretty enthusiastically kissing Elon's ass throughout this.

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Your thoughts, Andrew, we had your brother on earlier, Tristan, come on earlier.

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Your thoughts on Alex Jones being back on X?

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I'd rather hear his thoughts on Elon Musk being the biggest maverick of the last 500

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years.

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I'm not kissing ass here.

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Elon, I mean, you've got big ones, man.

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On every front, you are literally overturning the entire power structure.

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I was just going to say this once Andrew got in, but I just want to say this while you're

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here.

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I mean, you are literally changing the entire paradigm and you've definitely got the system

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scared.

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And so everybody needs to support X.

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Everybody needs to support the sponsors on X.

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I personally am doing all my Christmas shopping this year with all the great gadgets and stuff

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that are on X.

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This is a bit much.

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I know the kids are eating ass these days, but Jesus Christ.

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I feel like Alex is... I mean, if anybody has familiarity with him, has listened to

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enough of him, hearing him be this subservient should set off some alarm bells.

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It should be like, hey, Alex, what the fuck's wrong with you?

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Why are you acting like this?

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There were these old 90s strongman, ESPN World's Strongest Man competitions.

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And back in the day, they stopped doing it for very obvious reasons, but back in the

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day they used to do tug of war between two absurdly strong 400 pound men.

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And it just lasted forever and it was incredibly boring because they're absurdly strong relatively

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equally.

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They would need one of those guys to get Alex's nose out of Elon Musk's ass right now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was a long walk.

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It was a long walk, but I got there.

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You did arrive at your destination.

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I sure did.

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So Andrew Tate finally does get around to answering this question that Alex so rudely

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interrupted to brown nose a little, but here we go.

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The purchase of a simple website has literally cracked the matrix in real time and it becomes

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extremely difficult now to run the psyops they were previously running and enslaved

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the populace, which is their primary goal.

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So Elon is a hero, absolutely.

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And the risks you are taking, Elon, I don't think many people at home actually understand

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the gravity of the risks you are taking because your ability to speak freely is heavily leveraged

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against your insignificance.

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You're only allowed to speak if nobody listens to you.

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And if you get big and people start listening, they're going to come at you hard.

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And I think I'm not completely versed, but from what I understand, Elon's already suffering

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the law fair tactics, which they're going to do.

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They're going to keep pulling out the hat to try and slow him down or, Oh, Andrew, let

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me interrupt before I forget.

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I don't give any attention.

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The same law firm that came after me with these PR firms.

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You've just dropped out.

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I think Alex.

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It's just dropped out.

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Anyone else?

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Can you, yeah, you got a call.

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No, you got a call.

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Yeah.

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Go ahead, Alex.

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There is a three letter agency running this.

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Not all of them.

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Let's just say it starts with a C and it ends with an A. Sorry.

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Still could be.

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Still could be CAA.

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Yeah.

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It might be the great talent agency.

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No, so what Alex is saying is that, you know, Mark Bankston is suing Elon over that.

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So that's, that's the connective tissue that Alex is making.

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He's trying to say that that's all being run by this PR firm out of New York.

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And this is a way of connecting his own plight to Elon's plight and then making Elon more

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sympathetic to, Oh, the way I'm being attacked is just like the way you're being attacked.

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Where we are one.

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Yeah.

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It's a way, it's a way to be even more convincing.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I, I, I, I, I, Andrew Tate freaks me out.

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Is that, I, I saw, I've seen pictures of him.

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I really thought he, I've never, I, this, I think this is the first time I've actually

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heard his voice.

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Maybe?

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I feel like we might've covered a time that he was on Info Wars, like way in the past.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I just thought he would try and sound cooler.

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No, he doesn't need to.

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Cause he sex traffics people.

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You see, that's kind of, but I thought that was-

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He engages in organized crime and enslaves women.

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I know.

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That's the thing.

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I thought they, I thought he was doing a whole thing.

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That's weird.

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No, the voice does not have to be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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All right.

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So yeah, he also just got some news that he's not getting all of his shit back from the

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Romanian government.

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He asked to get his millions of dollars of, of, of things that were seized from him back.

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And they're like, no, we're not going to give that back.

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Yeah, that's probably smart.

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So he's, he's dealing with that.

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I don't know.

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I just, there's a part of me that feels like this is all people whose identity surrounds

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like how important it is that they post on Twitter.

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Yeah.

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And to me, I understand that using Twitter is an incredibly effective tool to scam people

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and to, to like easily manipulate folks into your revenue streams.

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Yeah.

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It's a con man's dream.

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And I understand that why that is so important to them, but pretending that it has some kind

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of a like you Johnny Q public, the person on the street, do your own voice is being

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taken away.

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It's, it's, I don't know.

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It's it's just another level of the con and it's, it's, it's bizarre to me to, to hear

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them take this so seriously.

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Yeah.

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It is like they're the, the levels of the con are, is what's so fucking infuriating

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is that you're, you're like, okay, finally I've unraveled it.

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I'm out of this con and then, oh shit, it's just another part.

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Now I have to just be gone.

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You know, like I have to completely get rid of Twitter.

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And then not just that, if you find out that's part of the other thing.

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And then Andrew Tate's watching you, you got to run everyone.

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Get off the grid.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Oh no.

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Yep.

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You know who's off the grid?

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Who?

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Tristan Tate.

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He was waiting for you.

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God damn it.

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So Alex makes a declaration of victory for Elon Musk.

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Sure.

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This is what happened.

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I'm going to shut up.

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I don't hear from Elon, but this is so historic.

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Elon Musk courage.

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And it's true.

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Elon Musk has broken the back of the globalist.

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They'll never be able to turn this around again unless they have a nuclear war.

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Elon Musk has broken their back.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I guess some people are afraid to die, but I am not.

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Oh my God.

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Oof.

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Oof, oof, oof.

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It's a bunch of, a bunch of dorks.

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There's a lot of talk about how none of these people are going to kill themselves.

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Like Andrew Tate says it a bunch, uh, Elon Musk brings it up.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's all the like, we're about to be killed by the man.

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I understand you're not going to do that because people who like me are afraid of saying it

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out loud for very smart reasons.

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So Elon discusses his, uh, uh, the ideas of how we need to colonize space.

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Sure.

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And you may notice, um, his kid is making a bunch of noise in the background.

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Okay.

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So Elon, when are you going to, I know you've got a hundred irons in the fire, but I've

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really, when you talk about, we need to create a plan B for humanity, well, that's really

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an alternate, an alternate master plan because the global is controlled right now.

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You're trying to arrest control with us helping.

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I mean, when are you going to put out your battle plan or you already putting it on a

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piece?

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No.

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I mean, what I'm saying is that actually I think we should expand humanity.

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Basically we should have based on what more kids, uh, you know, w w population should

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increase, uh, and, and, and we should, uh, become a multi-finance species and, uh, and,

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you know, make life multi-planetary book, build a self-sustaining, um, civilization

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on Mars.

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Yeah, let's do that.

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And then ultimately, you know, this will be long after I'm dead, uh, probably, but, uh,

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well, certainly, uh, we can go to other star systems and, and go out there and I don't

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know, maybe we'll find some long dead alien civilizations.

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Um, and I don't think we want to be one of those lame one planet civilizations that never

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got beyond it, you know, its own planet.

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Um, I mean, we've got to, you know, you know, what are the aliens going to think of that?

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We got to make a good showing team human.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely disappoint.

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But it's, it's, it's, it's essential and, and truthfully, it's so amazing.

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You couldn't even speak about these things only two years ago.

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You couldn't even speak about these subjects, but it's so pertinently obvious to anyone

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who pays attention.

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And what exactly does Andrew Tate alleged human trafficker think that we couldn't discuss

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two years ago?

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Yeah.

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Does he think that rambling vague ideas about colonizing Mars is what drew sensors in?

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I mean, there's a little bit much, I mean, great talk about, do you want to put a colony

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on Mars?

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Great.

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Don't want to disappoint the aliens.

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Great.

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As long as anyone is listening to Elon Musk, we will, as a species be long dead before

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Mars colonies are even a thought.

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It does.

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It does seem like that'll probably, uh, not help.

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Yeah.

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Like let's colonize Mars, but let's also light earth on fire while we're doing it.

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And in terms of like really trying to set up this, the, the, the way that we're going

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to colonize Mars, it's important that everyone's voice is heard.

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So I'm going to get Laura Loomer, Jack Pessobic, a couple of sex trafficking brothers and the

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Krasenstein brothers together.

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And we're going to really get to the bottom of this thing.

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You know what, Dan, you have made a very good accidental point.

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Those people need to be on a ship to Mars right away.

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I, I, here's my problem.

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If if you send them to Mars, no, if, if it's successful and they establish a colony there,

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we've just given them a planet.

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Uh, I get, I gift it to them happily.

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I don't know if you have the authority, uh, as King of Mars.

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I do.

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So they're all rambling about the globalists and these globalists are bad.

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Sure.

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And so one of the Krasenstein brothers, I'm not sure which one decides to pipe up and

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say, what about it?

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Not all globalists.

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Oh my God.

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What are we doing?

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Yeah, it's a mess.

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You guys are all attacking the globalists, but if you ask a globalist, like I have friends

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who would, I would consider globalist.

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You ask them, their ideologies are aligned that they believe that somebody living, we're

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using code for Jews, man.

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I don't know what you're doing, who lives in America.

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And I know, you know, there's already enslaved the third world and then that's not how everybody

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who you would categorize as global is the top or depopulation is maybe if you want to

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look at the top, you can say globalist at the top, some of them might have that view.

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But you know, if you just talk to an ordinary person who views themselves as a globalist,

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they're not saying, Oh, you know, I'm evil.

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They're not an evil person.

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They just had this belief that everybody, everybody, we're not talking to them.

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We don't care about them.

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We don't care about you.

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Code words.

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What are you doing?

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Globalist wants one world government run by corporate.

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What are you doing?

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I mean, I think you can label them differently, but I think if you talk to somebody, Henry

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Chesinger was the globalist, Zabigny Brzezinski was a globalist.

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I'm not trying to be mean to you, but they're, their number one rule is the earth is too

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small.

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We can't expand.

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We've got a bean count and put everybody on rations.

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We've got a social engineer and in the normal human program because humans are failed and

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they want to turn us into factory farm humans.

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So yeah, I'll answer the question.

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I'll answer the question.

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Sorry guys.

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If I can just say like, so some of these titles are a little confusing.

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If someone's, if say someone's an internationalist or a globalist arbitrary in fact, almost made

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up disambiguation to avoid saying what you actually want to say, does someone have as

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an axiomatic belief that there are too many people on the earth or do they not, do they

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have, do they believe that the earth can sustain the current population or do they think it

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cannot?

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Now the reality is earth can actually handle a human population probably 10 times larger

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than the current population is actually very sparsely populated by humans.

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We only see density because if we're in a, in a, uh, a desk of an environment like New

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York or Boston, London or something like that.

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Um, but if, if, if like here would be like a good test if, if you took a plane from LA

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to New York and you try to drop a bowling ball and hit somebody, your chances of success

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are basically zero.

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You'd have to drop 10,000 bowling balls maybe.

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It's cute that one of the Krasenstein brothers decided to try to stick up for all the globalists

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out there, but unfortunately he doesn't understand the way terms are used in the extreme right-wing

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communities where the people he's talking to exist.

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These people are just batting around terms that have no consistent definitions.

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It's a, you don't have, there's no point, no point.

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Blargs.

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Right.

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Just say, yeah, it doesn't matter.

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We make sounds.

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We don't make words.

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We make sounds.

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Now as for Elon's point, he's an idiot.

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It is true that if you just go based on how much space there is in the world, we could

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sustain a much larger population than we have.

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We could have tens of billions if we just had urban population densities all over the

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place.

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But the carrying capacity of the planet involves a whole lot of other variables that his idiotic

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bowling ball test doesn't take into account.

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Just on a basic level, it's estimated that you need about 2.5 acres of land to feed one

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person per year.

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There are some estimates that are lower and there are some that are higher depending on

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diet and how directly you're involved with farming, but this is a median estimate.

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There are only about 11 billion acres of arable land in the world that can be used for agriculture,

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so that's a pretty difficult hurdle to get past in terms of this infinite population

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thing.

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Maybe you could turn to innovations to try to find a way to feed people using less land,

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but you've seen the way that Alex and his idiot friends have responded to synthetic

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meats and insect protein, which are efforts to do exactly what they would want.

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Even beyond the concern about feeding all the additional people Elon wants to create,

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you run into so many more issues like access to water.

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Climate change is exacerbating these problems as it diminishes the amount of arable land

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we have at our disposal and also cuts down on the amount of water that's available.

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These are real problems, and the people Alex hates so much are the ones who are trying

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to address the problem in a way that hurts the least people.

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Promotion of access to birth control and family planning is a giant way that this can be challenged,

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but Alex acts like that's just an attempt to depopulate.

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Working to provide better access to general healthcare and raising the standard of living

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in the developing world is another way to reduce the amount of children people have

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because as you become more stable, you have less kids.

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You have a whole ton of kids when you expect half of them to die before the age of five

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and you need them to provide manual labor, that Alex is of course opposed to having vaccines

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and healthcare aid given to the developing world.

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These guys are absolute clowns.

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Their entire premise is based around a failed understanding of a problem, which they just

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aggressively decide isn't a problem because they don't want to get it.

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If you can drop a bowling ball and not hit somebody while flying over middle America,

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then the world isn't overpopulated.

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These are the thoughts of a child, but they aren't really different than Alex's whole

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thing about like Trump obviously winning the 2020 election because he had larger crowds

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at his rallies.

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Yeah.

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This is all about making an argument by pointing to an optical point that isn't meaningful

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in order to obscure the actual data that would refute their point.

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And it's a, I don't know, it's a, it's a game for dullards.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Very stupid.

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It is, it is just kind of heartbreaking.

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Like to hear someone say that out loud and then pat themselves on the back.

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What if you drop a bowling ball and you hit the land that's needed to feed the people

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in the world?

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Does that count?

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I mean, can you just toss a person there?

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It is, it is like you, I mean, you just genuinely have to sit and look at them and be like,

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you're not serious people.

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No, not at all.

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You need to have all power taken from you instantly because this is, you're a threat.

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I don't understand why, like for all the bullshit I've heard from my stupid fucking government

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about what's dangerous, I don't understand how Elon Musk is not considered a national

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security threat.

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I don't understand that at all.

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Assassinate that motherfucker.

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You've got the CIA.

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That's what they're for.

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I don't know if that's the answer.

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That's obviously not the answer.

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If you can destabilize a fucking South American country, you can murder Elon fucking Musk.

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It's not different.

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Uh, I'm going to, I'm going to push back, I'm going to hold back on this.

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Fine.

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Calls for assassination.

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Fine.

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I, listen, the CIA has murdered so many people while I'm alive, might as well do it for one

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that I want.

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That doesn't make it right.

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I pay their salary and they have murdered so many people who are not on my list.

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Look, here's the deal.

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So they get one.

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Here's the situation.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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It doesn't work that way.

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No.

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Just because they, you know, the CIA has done bad things doesn't mean you get one.

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Okay.

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Doesn't mean you get them through another bad thing.

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Fine.

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Then the FBI murdered Fred Hampton, so they get to kill Elon Musk.

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Same problem.

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Okay, fine.

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Another bad thing doesn't make up for a past bad thing.

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I'm not asking it to make up for a past bad thing.

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I'm just saying if they're going to continue doing bad things, then there's one on the

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way that they could get.

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Take a little, hey man, look at that off the side of the road.

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I'm going to have to stop you.

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I understand the fun you're having and all this, but I'm going to have to pump the brakes

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on this murder talk for the time being because we have more pressing things to deal with.

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Sorry.

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It was government mandated, so I wasn't being personal about it.

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So one of the Kreisenstein brothers tries again to stand up for globalists.

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Sure.

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What?

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What?

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And then something incredibly shocking happens.

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Okay.

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You know, it's not black and white.

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You're not either a globalist or you're not.

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I think people fall in between and they have, there's different reasons for why people might

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feel one way about one, you know, you could say globalist idea and another.

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So, so I mean, I don't like painting people like, you know, with a black and white pen

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because I feel that everybody falls somewhere in the middle.

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All I want to know is this, that there are people that want a corporate world government

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whose aim is depopulation and not giving the general public access to technology by lying

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about resources and, and, and, and, and literally saying carbon dioxide that plants breathe

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is evil and then telling us the world's going to end in 2030 and the ice caps are all going

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to melt and, and none of that's true.

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So our children basically give up on the future and decide not to have children.

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That's all I'm saying.

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Elon Musk is promoting an optimistic pro-human future that the science that evidence shows

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is real and that we need.

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Gentlemen, I have to go.

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I just want to be sort of, exactly, I want to be clear about my position.

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I'm super pro-human and I mean all humans, uh, you know, humans in America, humans in

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Africa.

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Somebody's got their thing on their team.

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And everywhere else.

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Somebody's got their phone open in the bathroom.

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Vivek, Vivek, Vivek, that's your phone Vivek, I'm not able to mute you.

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Vivek.

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Go ahead Elon.

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Um, sorry about that, so, um, yeah, Vivek just peed on a live stream.

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That is, you know what, I will say this, that's a healthy stream.

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Good on you Vivek.

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I'm not sure.

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Good on ya.

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I'm not, I'm not positive I even agree with that.

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Um, in my day, oh my God.

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Someone who is running for president, peeing on a live stream, accidental or not, that

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might have been a big deal.

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That might have been enough to be like, alright, come on.

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Wow.

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Yeah, pee game.

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Wow.

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Deeply unserious people.

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Very.

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Wow.

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Very.

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Did you?

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There is, there is like an image of like, yeah, this is exactly what this is.

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Yeah.

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It's like Alex rambling climate change denialism while Vivek pees.

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Yeah I don't, I mean.

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That is what this is.

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That is, that is one of those kind of found metaphors that can never be equaled or surpassed.

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No.

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It's just, it doesn't get better than a presidential candidate accidentally leaving his mic on

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while he's peeing as these fuckers listen to Alex Jones talk about nonsense.

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Yep.

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That is, I mean, what do you say?

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The zeitgeist.

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What do you say?

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Yeah.

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It was clear, Musk was very clear, this is not going to turn into an interview.

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This isn't for you to interview me.

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Sure.

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And of course it does turn into that.

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Naturally.

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And Alex just decides he's going to interview Musk.

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Great.

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Elon.

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Go ahead, Alex.

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Elon, way more interesting.

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And I just asked one question of Elon.

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Elon, it's great having you here in Texas, you're kicking ass, you're, you're, you're

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Texas through and through, your whole spirit, we love you.

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Whatever happens with Trump down the road, should we change the constitution so you can

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run for president?

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Would you ever think about that?

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I would like to stay as a technologist and build rockets and electric cars and you know,

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things that technologies that hopefully have a good effect on the world and advanced civilization.

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That would be my preference.

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I would not like to be president.

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So that would, that would, I would, I would just like to, yeah, you would have less power

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than he does now.

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Further civilization.

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That's my goal.

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I think that's a smart, I think that's a smart answer.

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Smart answer.

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Why do you ask that?

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Hey, Elon, should we change the constitution so you can be president?

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I mean, it is, it is like, Hey, Elon, do you, do you need a ball massager right now?

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Oh yeah.

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I'm available.

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And, and while I'm doing that, is there, can you give us a scoop?

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Can you give us a scoop?

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I'll just keep my rub in your bones about incredible jets.

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You want to invent some of the things.

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Is there any other big invention you've got on the drawing board in the back of your mind

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that you haven't announced to the world that you want to tell people about today?

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No, no.

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This would not be the forum for announcing any new products with technologies.

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I'm not going to say that on this dumb space.

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I would use my PR apparatus for that.

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I mean, yeah, but it is really cute.

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I was like, Oh, you have any new inventions, Elon?

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Oh my God.

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I, but I mean, I guess that is the image that they still project onto him.

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Is that like iron man image?

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Yeah.

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That's what, that's what you've been in the lab.

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You have anything crazy to report?

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Yeah.

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That's what keeps them going.

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The idea that he's actually genius-ing as opposed to being a fucking idiot.

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And retweeting a big concerning.

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He's talking to you.

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Iron man does not talk to you.

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No.

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Iron man's not going to do a podcast with J Jonah Jameson.

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Not going to happen.

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So Elon does have a technology that he does want to talk about though, and that is his

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brain chip.

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Oh, right.

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Right.

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He talks about this a little bit.

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The neuro link.

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Yeah.

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And Alex really shouldn't be on board with this.

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No, he should really love a private, ultra powerful, unaccountable billionaire putting

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a computer chip inside your skull.

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But he is actually in favor of it.

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He's thrilled.

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Thrilled.

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Odd.

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We do have, you know, the neuro link chip, which I know some people might be concerned

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about, but that's really something that will take a very long time to be in any kind of

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widespread use.

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We've got the first use, the first patient will get a neuro link chip.

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This is a quadriplegic and it will enable them to control their computer and their phone.

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And then, you know.

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Uncle was in a motorcycle accident and he was having seizures, about to die, couldn't

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even walk.

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He got, it's not one of your brain chips, but a brain chip, and actually he can walk

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and talk and is happy now.

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So that's not bad.

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Exactly.

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So, I mean, the regulatory stuff on this is very intense.

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So the first one we'll have, you know, you could think of it sort of like a telepathy.

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You can sort of control your computer and phone just by thinking.

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So it's like, it's kind of like telepathy.

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And then the one after that would be, I don't know, we're just trying to think of a name

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for it, but you can think of it like blind sight.

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Even if somebody has lost both eyes or lost the optic nerve, is completely blind.

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It's kind of like how all of my other stuff doesn't work either.

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Give them some amount of eye.

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Twitter.

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I'm full of shit.

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I think high resolution sight, kind of like Geordi LaForge from Star Trek.

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You could actually see in multiple wavelengths, you could see ultraviolet and infrared.

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We're going to bring Geordi LaForge into the world.

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You would have to be a stupid billionaire or somebody who thinks Alex is not an idiot

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to listen to that and be like, oh, he's not lying.

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You would have to have no context of anything he's ever done in order to be like really

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wowed by, this is going to work really well.

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And I want to say another thing too, I'm not sure I'm perfectly in sync with the general

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population as a whole, but I can't imagine how little I want a brain chip to telepathically

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communicate with my computer.

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That is a problem I don't need solved.

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A mouse works.

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Not just that.

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And I mean, yeah, 100% totally agree with you on that front, but the idea of that being

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something that will work for any length of time to justify allowing that man anywhere

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near my head is absurd.

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Can it filter intrusive thoughts because I could imagine myself buying a lot of stuff

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on Amazon telepathically accidentally.

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I mean, there's no way for that not to be a dumb idea in any kind of practice.

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It's such a fun idea in a science fiction story.

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And if you think that science fiction, because you're a billionaire, is anything you want

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it to be, then sure, you can lie to people like that and say bullshit like that.

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But in reality, that's never going to happen.

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I would say the odds are low.

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So Alex has taken over this whole ship basically and turned it into an interview with Musk.

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And he's bringing his buddies in.

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Great.

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It was probably a trademark thing, but I think Blindside is a cool name for it.

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Can we get one question from Mark Dice, because this is the best interview ever.

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Mark Dice is a great journalist.

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He stood up for me for the last five years when nobody else would.

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Mark, quick question from Mark, please.

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A comment really, just to reinforce all the journalists, and thank you, by the way, Elon,

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for unbanning Alex for everything you're doing for the platform of humanity.

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Hey, Elon, you're here and bring Mark Dice in here to ask you a question.

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Chase Geyser is going to come in and ask you a question.

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Chase Geyser doesn't come in and ask you a question.

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I was joking.

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Ah, it would have been great.

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However, this actually is not somebody that Alex is just bringing into the proceedings.

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He's been around since the beginning, but Jackson Hinkle decides to make an appearance

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and ask a pro-Russia question, of course.

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Sure.

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Elon, I have a quick question.

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You tweeted about the imprisonment of the American Chilean Gonzalo Lira in Kharkiv,

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Ukraine yesterday.

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I'm curious if that imprisonment of an American for speaking his mind on YouTube and X has

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caused you to consider further support for Ukraine, albeit through Starlink or other

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means, and also, unrelated to that, can you provide any updates about Starlink for Gaza?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I generally think, look, I understand that if an American citizen is in another

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country and violates that country's laws or those countries' laws, even if their actions

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would not violate the laws in the United States, that that person would then be put in prison.

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But in the case of Ukraine, the United States is providing a vast amount of aid to Ukraine,

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and the United States government has an obligation to protect its citizens.

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And so, I think even if one disagrees with what that, I guess, YouTuber or journalist,

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depending on your perspective, what they posted, I feel uncomfortable sending massive aid to

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Ukraine if they're putting American citizens in jail for doing videos on YouTube.

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Sure.

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That's not cool.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, and it could say like, okay, well, yeah, but Ukraine has-

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Hey, that's not cool.

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Hey, bros.

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... sovereignty in their country.

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It's like, yeah, but they don't have a right to our money as well.

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So it's like they don't have a right to our money and support and-

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So if we give you money-

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... to imprison and mistreat American citizens.

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... we can fuck up your country.

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Well, that's right.

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Look, look, I don't have a dog in the fight.

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Russia, Ukraine.

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Yeah, you do.

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It's an old ancient fight between the two countries as you go on for a thousand years.

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An ancient fight.

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It's a Slavic civil war.

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The dawn of man.

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Ukraine is arresting the Orthodox Church.

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Ukraine, even the mayor of Kiev has said Zelensky's becoming a dictator.

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So all I'm saying is this black hole we're feeding hundreds of billions into, we should

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at least be able to debate it.

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And if an American journalist is critical, he doesn't deserve to be put in a gulag.

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That's very dangerous.

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I agree, Elon.

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So this isn't a matter of Ukraine arresting a journalist who is just critical of the government.

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This is a person actively supporting Putin's war effort against Ukraine inside Ukraine.

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Ooh, that's tough.

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In Ukraine, as is the case in many places, you're not allowed to engage in wartime propaganda

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for the country that's invading you.

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That's usually a good idea.

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Yeah.

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If you choose to do so, you're going to be considered part of the opposing side and you

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can't really be too surprised when you get arrested.

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It's even more glaring when you consider that this guy, he's also accused of spreading information

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about Ukrainian military movements on social media, which could constitute providing material

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aid to the enemy.

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Yeah, that gets you...

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So that's beyond journalism or any of that stuff.

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I get, that makes sense.

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If you're a Russian soldier and you go into Kiev and you're like, hey, listen, I'm a Russian

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soldier.

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I'm totally going to kill you guys, but I don't have a gun right now.

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I'm not doing anything.

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I'm just going for vacation.

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Just hanging out.

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No big deal.

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I'll go back to killing you when I go back to Russia.

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Or I'm just, I don't have a gun or anything.

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I'm just doing some sort of like information reconnaissance type stuff.

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I think it would be reasonable if I go, excuse me, sir, I'm going to have to detain you until

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the end of the war.

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Sure.

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So Elon introduces an interesting thought, which is that if we give a country money,

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our citizens should be immune from being arrested by that country.

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That is an interesting thought.

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This is obviously stupid, but I've really been trying to come up with a better way to

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understand his point and this is about as generous as I can be.

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No, that's literally what he's saying.

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Listen, we gave you a lot of money, so why can't this American citizen kick babies in

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the face?

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Or subvert your war effort against the country that's invading you.

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Sure.

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Very weird.

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Yeah.

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So we get another weirdo in the mix.

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Yeah.

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Matt Gaetz.

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Great.

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Representative Matt Gaetz.

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Oh my God.

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Your thoughts on Alex Jones being back on the platform?

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I think it's great.

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Alex has been someone who's provoked a lot of critical thinking from policy makers and

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broad audiences.

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You know, of course there are things that I'm going to say that would offend people,

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things that Alex would say that would offend people, but I think they'll just have to be

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offended.

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I think it enriches the discussion to have Alex back.

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Yeah.

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It does.

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It doesn't.

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It doesn't at all.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Also, Matt Gaetz may be back under investigation for sex crimes by the House Ethics Committee,

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so that story is still unfolding.

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Man.

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Man.

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Yeah.

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It is very difficult to listen to this.

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Yeah, it is.

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It is.

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It is.

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It was dragging.

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It is.

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It is very difficult to have...

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I mean, you called for the government to assassinate Musk.

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That's how tough this is for you to listen to.

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I mean, I would have done that before we started this.

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Wow.

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I don't like hearing all these people say nice things to Alex.

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Where he can hear them.

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But it is such an interesting collection of awful people that are all coming around to...

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This is your life.

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It is.

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No, it is 100% that.

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But it's all monsters.

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It is hell.

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It is hellish.

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Yeah.

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If you are fucking a duke in fucking hell, this is a great day for you.

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I don't think I have any respect for anybody who is on this panel.

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I can't imagine not throwing hands upon first sight.

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It's so bizarre, and by that I mean it's not bizarre at all, that there couldn't be anybody

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who isn't a shithead who they got on this...

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Not one.

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... to talk.

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Not one.

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Remarkable.

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No.

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I throw hands all day.

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It's interesting.

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It's not really interesting.

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It just rhymes.

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Sure.

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He has a philosophy of curiosity.

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Oh, my God.

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I would say I have a philosophy of curiosity, which is...

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It doesn't rhyme.

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Slight rhyme.

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I try to learn more about the nature of the universe and our place in it, and that's why

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I studied physics.

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Not for career reasons, just to try to understand how the universe actually works and what has

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good predictive value, and physics has got very good predictive value, so that's why

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I studied it.

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Then give us your predictive value.

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Gut level, Elon Musk, this is like beyond any Hollywood movie where we're at right now.

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Does humanity survive?

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Gut level, you've got all these great children, that means you bet on humanity.

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Do we make it to the next level?

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And what is the next level?

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Well, there's shitty children, though, so 50-50.

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Elon, you there?

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I gotta say, listening to this also had a hilarious thing, because they keep talking

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about how great the Spaces platform is, and then the owner of the site keeps cutting out.

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And other people are cutting out, too.

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It's not really as remarkable as they seem to be saying.

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Yeah.

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So...

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Yeah, that's always one of those weird ones, where it's like, of all the things that people

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do where the CEO is giving way too much attention or anything like that, for me, it's just like,

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if you're going out and demonstrating the thing you do, be the best at that thing, if

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you're gonna be out there doing it.

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You should.

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You should.

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Instead, his call drops repeatedly.

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I mean, I would be like, I'm really mad at the crew right now, we're gonna be done.

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Yeah.

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He has no real prediction for the future or anything, he just says you have to do things

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to make the future.

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Wow.

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That's deep.

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It is.

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So you get another person who jumps in, and it's the host of a podcast called The All-In

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Podcast.

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Uh-huh.

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Don't know what that is.

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No idea.

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I'm all out!

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But he has a question for Alex.

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Okay.

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That is getting back to Sandy Hook stuff.

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Great.

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And nobody likes that he's asking this.

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Yeah, of course not.

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Jason, a quick question to you first.

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Would you have Alex Jones on The All-In Podcast?

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Sorry to put you on the spot.

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Well, I have him here now, so would it be okay if I asked him three questions?

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Of course, go ahead.

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Yeah, but Elon's far more fascinating.

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Please ask Elon questions.

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Jason?

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Well, Alex, my first question for you is, I'm curious if you'd be willing to answer

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three questions about the Sandy Hook parents.

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Oh, great.

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Yeah, sure.

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Go ahead.

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Well, I mean, you now have your freedom of speech and you're here, so I think a lot of

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people are wondering what theory or evidence led you to believe that that was a fake staged

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situation.

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He's already answered these questions.

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Yeah.

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Every time I-

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Well, no, but we hear him face it for the first time.

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Let's ask him.

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He already answered this like 40 minutes ago.

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Idiot.

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We don't actually care.

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Everything I say is misrepresented.

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You'll say, I'm saying it again.

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I believe it happened, and I'm sorry, and I apologize, and I'm done.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So Alex can't get specific without sounding like a complete idiot, so his go-to response

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is always to pretend like he's already discussed the incorrect things he's believed in the

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past, and if he does it, if he does it again, people will just accuse him of still believing

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those things.

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It's a coward's move, but it's super effective as a dodge that people who aren't really curious

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are just going to accept.

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You notice here how everybody got super defensive on Alex's behalf.

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I think it was Jack Pessobic jumping in before Alex even answers, and that's kind of because

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they know that any further examination of Alex's actual record will reveal that what

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he's been saying to Musk this whole time is a lie.

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Alex's story for Musk is a constructed reality that all these right-wing scam folk have just

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agreed to accept as real, but deep down, they know it's not true.

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The guy coming in and asking this question is kind of threatening to ruin their fun and

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poke holes in their illusion.

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I don't know what the all-in podcast is or who this guy is, but you can tell that even

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before he asks the question, the panel is not excited for him to ask questions.

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No, I mean, it is very much them being like, buddy, we got that out of the way.

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We never have to talk about this again.

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We did the satisfactory lie in order to cover our ass.

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Stop it.

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Yep.

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It's done.

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And Musk even kind of feels like he has a similar perspective.

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Great.

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Yeah, Jason, I should say that the Sandy Hooks issue was the first thing I erased with Alex.

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He did answer it at length at the beginning of this space's conversation.

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So I think you may not have heard the answer.

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Yeah.

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I didn't hear the start of it.

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I was alerted to this towards the end.

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You know, I think the issue you're on candidly is...

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I'm not saying, I'm not coming over there, I agree or disagree with his answer, but it

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was the very first thing that I asked when I got on this space's conversation, just as

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it was the first thing that you asked.

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I think it's for people that care about whether there's sort of empathy and whether somebody

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has been cruel or mean or something, that's like the first thing they're going to ask

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about.

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And so that was the first thing I asked about.

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And it was answered, or somebody can agree with that answer or not.

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And no matter how many...

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I did ask it.

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No matter how many times I answer it, it's never good enough, because I'm that guy.

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I'm not what they said.

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I covered the internet questioning it.

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I've already said I'm sorry over 500 times, it's three or four times today, but it's always

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the same question.

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I'm not that guy.

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I won't even say the name of it.

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Yeah, because you're not answering the question, then you're dodging your responsibility and

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you're not actually apologizing.

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That's why the question keeps coming up.

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Yep.

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It's an easy way to deal with this, and it's just sincerity and actually wrestling with

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the issue.

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But it's too dangerous.

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It's too vulnerable for his position as the God prophet or whatever the fuck they're trying

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to brand him as now.

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And Elon Musk, I mean, this whole bullshit of he answered the question and I don't know,

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you can agree with him or disagree with him.

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If you disagree with him, continuing this call is a monstrous act.

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So we know that you agree with him.

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You accepted the version of the story that he told you.

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Otherwise you wouldn't be having, you wouldn't be continuing this call.

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So cut it out with that shit.

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He would be off Twitter right now.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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Is it against the law to lie to a CEO or a man who owns a business?

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I fucking hate these people so much.

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So Elon Musk is suing Media Matters.

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And so this is discussed a little bit and then he leaves the call.

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Okay.

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Also perfect timing.

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You can also give us a, uh, an update if there is any, uh, on Media Matters and why you decided

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to do them.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Media Matters is an evil propaganda machine.

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Um, so I just generally, uh, I'm against evil propaganda machines and, uh, so we are suing

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them in every country that they operate and we'll, we will pursue not just the organization,

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but anyone funding that organization.

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I want to be clear about that.

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Anyone funding, we will pursue them.

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I'm so strong.

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Um, so I've got big muscles.

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Media Matters is an evil propaganda machine.

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Unlike Infowars.

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I mean, get the fuck out of here.

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I hope they do.

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So based, um, so I actually, I, I need to, you know, just, uh, step off the call at this

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point, um, so I just have some family obligations.

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Um, but, uh, I think it's been certainly a very interesting conversation.

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I suspect this will go viral.

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Probably snippets of it will go viral in a way that don't entirely represent the situation.

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I wasn't paying anyone who, uh, read about it or hears about it actually just, it takes

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the time to listen to the entire, uh, spaces conversation.

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I did, and it's actually probably less interesting than the version we've presented.

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Yeah.

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Like, cause there's long, it's, it's long and, and, and boring.

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Yeah.

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Um, but yeah, I imagine, uh, there are things that are going to go viral and I love, I love

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that Elon is already getting into this game that all these people play, which is the preemptive

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prediction of their own.

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Like, we're going to be lied about, which is basically just doing preemptive damage

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control when people discuss the fucked up things that you said, you'd be like, oh yeah,

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of course they were going to take me out of context when they commented on the thing I

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said.

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Yeah.

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I mean it is, it is a, an exercise in, uh, building a, a, an impenetrable wall, you know,

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it is that exercise of not only will I never engage with what I'm saying, uh, I mean, not

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only won't I engage with the criticism, what I'm saying, I won't even engage with what

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I'm saying.

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You know, like I'm not even going to take responsibility for it.

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Two seconds after this call is over, I'm going to say that I said whatever it is that I felt

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like I wanted to say now, right?

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And then in an hour from now I'm going to say whatever I felt like I wanted to say an

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hour from now.

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My S what I said does not mean anything, particularly if it's criticizable and indefensible, then

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I will.

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I never said any of that stuff.

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I never said any of that.

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I never apologized a hundred times and no matter what, and I didn't say it, I will not

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change my behavior one bit.

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Why would I?

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This is profitable.

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Any conversation with me is a useless and a waste of everyone's time.

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Quite.

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Yep.

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Quite.

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Um, so yeah, Elon leaves and then the call basically just ends.

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And then everybody's like, Oh, okay, stick around with the first person to leave the

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party usually earns a party.

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Well, but also the first person to leave, you know, well, I mean if it's someone that

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no one likes and the party gets better, but if you know one person leaves and then the

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party's over, that means that they, they were the reason they were the high status person

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there.

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Which is interesting because you know, he wasn't even part of the conversation for the

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first chunk of it.

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It was Alex is back on Twitter and we're getting shitheads like Pacific and Loomer to talk

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about it and all this.

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That was the name of the game.

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And then Elon Musk shows up and it's all Musk baby.

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And Alex trying to interview him all this, uh, all this shit, uh, to the point where

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he, he took power over the entire thing.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it makes sense.

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It's hard not to, it's hard not to do that.

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He owns the website.

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Well, not just, not just that, but I mean like for these people, they're, they're on

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the grift side of things and that means that they're always looking up, you know, right.

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Elon is somebody who has agency, which is something that like what, you know, a thousand

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people on this planet truly have where it is.

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He can just be like, I don't like this thing.

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I will make it end.

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You know, that is the thing he can do that most of them, all of us can't do.

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Yeah.

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And I think that element is there with all of these people that realize that their existence

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is at the whim of Musk.

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Exactly.

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And for all the talk about free speech and all of this, like we'll follow the laws.

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They kind of know that if they run afoul of him, we'll do whatever Elon says and then

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we'll apologize like a little baby if he says, if he's mad at us, we'll go, I'm so sorry.

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I'll never do it again.

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I'm so sorry.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like Alex.

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Yeah.

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It's pathetic.

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It is.

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It is.

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It's a grim look.

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And uh, I mean, I can't stress enough what a roster this is.

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I would like the people who call themselves the Krasenstein brothers to like look in the

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mirror and just figure out what the fuck just happened.

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Cause if you wind up there, I don't even, I don't, shit went bad.

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What I know about you is bad.

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Yeah.

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But if you wound up there doing that, uh, it's all, it's way worse.

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If you're there as the sort of token, presumably person who's on the left, part of the right

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wing scammy media ecosystem.

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You have to know, first of all, things went wrong.

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Yeah.

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Second, yeah.

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Carville.

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Come on now Cajun.

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How you doing?

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Second, they recognize that you're part of the same grift.

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Yeah.

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The only reason that you're allowed there is that they recognize that whatever you're

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bringing to the table is not a threat and it's kind of a joke to them.

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We can argue about politics because the true rule number one is don't fuck with the grift.

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Yes.

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And that is what you will follow.

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Yeah.

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Good work.

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Yeah.

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Good work.

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Anyway, um, this sucked.

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I hated doing it and I imagine there might be more Twitter spaces in the future that

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Alex does and I am, I don't need him to do more shit than where he just says the same

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thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But we'll find out what happens in the future as his Twitter adventure continues.

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But until then we have a website.

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Indeed we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We aren't.

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Well, maybe, maybe not for long.

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Yeah.

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Not for long.

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But we're there for now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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Blue sky.

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Maybe make a move over there.

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Yeah.

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About time.

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But, uh, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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Uh, Dan does not support the comments made by, uh, Jordan on this episode about governmental

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assassinations.

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Woo.

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Yeah.

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Woo.

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Yeah.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.