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Red Alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Knowledge five. damn important wedding knowledge parties.com It's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge, knowledge. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys shaming me or the bad guy. Knowledge. Dan and Jordan knowledge fight need money. Andy and Andy are stopping Andy and Pam handy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas, you're on the airplanes rolling. Huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge by knowledge fight.com. Hello, everybody. I'm Jordan. We're

Dan (00:01:02.000)

dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, yes,

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

we are Dan Jordan. Dan. Jordan,

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I have a quick question for you.

Dan (00:01:12.000)

Today, my bright spot today Jordan is you know, I like those mini blocks those little mini Legos and stuff. Fishing and Easter Island. Of course, a bonsai tree that I've made I decided you know, it's May it's time to up the up the game right as everyone does in May. Yes. I decided to treat myself to one that I saw that was a Horizon Zero Dawn themed mini Lego. Yeah. Kit. And it's a 1200 piece. Tall neck at so cool. Yeah, it looks really cool. Well, the box just came. And so I haven't been able to build it yet or even start working on. But I'm very excited. I love. It's a very, it's kind of a soothing thing. Sure. Which is nice to have.

Jordan (00:01:56.000)

Now you don't have any buttons. So you got to put something to get right. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Dan (00:02:00.000)

And you kind of got to focus and the pieces are little tiny things. Sure. And yeah, so it's fun. I didn't know they made a horizon Lego thing. Which is pretty neat. That's really cool. Yeah. Neat. Licensed. Yeah, it seems I don't know. I don't think that horizons a small game or anything. Right. But it doesn't seem like the first tier that Lego would go with to license. Yeah, that's fair.

Jordan (00:02:24.000)

That's fair. But I mean, the designs are really cool. The Horizon design work is just so distinctive, and unique that it's like, yeah, I would grab that just because if there were no game, that's a fucking cool Lego thing. You know, and I think a

Dan (00:02:38.000)

lot of the robots, or the machines do lend themselves to a LEGO form.

Jordan (00:02:44.000)

Transformer as machine thing.

Dan (00:02:46.000)

Yeah. So anyway, my brightspot is I'm excited to get down to work on that. And see how long it takes probably quite a while. Probably could be. Tall neck. That's a lot. Yep. What's your brightspot?

Jordan (00:02:59.000)

My brightspot Dan is a while back. My wife and I while back while back? Oh, a while back? My wife and I were having this conversation. Because I had gotten her flowers for one of the holidays or whatever. Right? Right. And I was like, Why haven't you ever gotten me flowers? And she it just never occurred to her? Sure. Because of gender. Norm. Right, right. It's like I've got tattoos on flowers on me. Of course, I'd love some flowers. Right. That'd be cool. They smell great. Brighten up the room. Okay, they're fresh.

Dan (00:03:27.000)

You should get some mini Lagos of flowers.

Jordan (00:03:29.000)

That would be cool. can't smell them though. They'd have to be scratched and

Dan (00:03:33.000)

you can spray them with something. That's

Jordan (00:03:34.000)

a good idea. Yeah.

Dan (00:03:35.000)

A diffuser. Right in the middle of them. Now

Jordan (00:03:39.000)

we're figuring things out. Right? They don't die. Yeah. So so yeah. So it's my birthday. And she surprised me with some flowers. And it was very, very cool. They're these bright red, orange, yellow. It's great. They're very sweet. Yeah, they smell great. It's fantastic. So

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happy birthday.

Jordan (00:03:54.000)

Yeah, I think you didn't want to know not not my pick. No.

Dan (00:03:58.000)

We have different agendas. We have different approaches to it. You're you're pretty mad about your birthday. I have more of a hey, you know, I don't want people to go crazy for my birthday or pay attention to me or anything Sheriff, but I have no qualms with celebrating the passage of time. Whereas I think you have a little bit of discomfort with it.

Jordan (00:04:18.000)

I think I think part of it is just so much of my memory has been you know, like I have those years that are gone. You know, like all of that stuff is going on to the point where the denoting and the passage of time is always strange for me because my internal idea of how old I am you're 12 Exactly. And I look in the mirror and I see this monstrous old man dying is this the worst 12 year old of my life so yeah, well,

Dan (00:04:47.000)

sad birthday. So Jordan, today we are going to be taking a trip back into the past. Oh, you're gonna be in 2004 Back when you were three years.

Jordan (00:04:57.000)

Three years old. Those are the Good day can't

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do the math. We're in 2004 and Ruby talking about February 16 2000, for a very interesting day. On Alex's show, he has a guest. All right, that returns we've seen this person before.

Jordan (00:05:13.000)

Did we deal with Valentine's Day? And I mean, we just brought up flowers. It's February 16, and 2004. What do we have for Valentine's Day content here? That's what I'm interested in. Now. Now this is all flowers.

Dan (00:05:23.000)

Not much. It was there was a little bit of a no man's land between what we covered on our last episode. And this there was Skull and Bones talk. Just a lot of that, I guess. I don't know. I'm trying to like find things to hang your hat on. And that's tough. I guess there's not a whole lot going on,

Jordan (00:05:40.000)

let's say where we would do an episode about it, probably.

Dan (00:05:42.000)

So we'll get down to business on this adventure in 2004. But before we do, let's say hello, Jordan to some new wall.

Jordan (00:05:49.000)

Oh, that's a great idea.

Dan (00:05:50.000)

So first, I love this show. But I have to remember not to laugh at the human animal. Chimera has lots of love and appreciation from Zack Kanak in Japan, thank you so much. You're in our policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:06:00.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

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you very much. Yeah. Don't

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laugh at the human animal trainers who have said their fish with sad. Yeah, fish. humanized, not funny. No, next. Hey, Axl, we take those the courtesy of Mulligan golf. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:06:19.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

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you very much.

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Sorry. I felt like I was missing a word there. But I'm not. Maybe that's why there's an ellipsis in the middle of Ah, yes. Next. I've been a policy wonk for two years and never got my shout out either way. My name is rapacious. And it means I look like God. Thank you so much. You are now ballsy walk.

Alex Jones (00:06:34.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

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you very much.

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Next, Kyle, globalist can't dink for shit. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:06:41.000)

I'm a policy wonk, thank

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you very much.

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Thank you, and we got a ton of great in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Ian and Ollie. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk. The amount of intelligent brilliant someone Someone saw automate sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp.

Alex Jones (00:06:58.000)

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser. Little little teeny baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you.

Jordan (00:07:10.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:07:11.000)

I've been airing a little bit on the side of playing that older one drop. And I realize like it's been a while since I've made a new technocrat drop has I need to dig around in the crates and see if I can find some fun.

Jordan (00:07:22.000)

Yeah, you know, it's been it's been a long time with that technocrat drop. We've been awful busy.

Dan (00:07:27.000)

Well, we have no because we have the one where he quits. Sure. Maybe that one's too long. Yeah, I'll see about that. Make it a technocrat drop. It's big boy pants ending. So we start off here on the 16th. And Alex, like I said he has a guest coming back. Big time. Yeah, big time guests huge. Well, what father of big time

Alex Jones (00:07:51.000)

Oh god. Hour of the show. I've got Hutton Gibson coming back a few weeks ago and an hour wasn't enough time to go over the state of affairs in the world. And Hutton Gibson is an expert. He's been exposing it for decades on the takeover of the Roman Catholic Church, by the forces of the New World Order. We'll be talking about that and other issues in the third hour today.

Dan (00:08:18.000)

Very exciting. So Hudson Gibson is not so much an expert on issues related to the Catholic Church as much as he is an extremist against the Catholic Church post Second Vatican Council Chair, he's among the many anti Semite to have very serious problems with some of the changes that the council made regarding church doctrine. One of the large issues that folks like cotton have, has its involved with the no strike at a agitate document, which among other things, specifically condemned the charges of deicide which people have levied against Jewish people, which is the accusation that Jews bear the responsibility for killing the Christian savior. Right. In that declaration, it said, quote, it is true that the church is the new people of God, yet the Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed, as if this follows from Holy Scripture, and went on to say, quote, The Church reproves every form of persecution against whomsoever it may be directed, remembering, then it's common heritage with the Jews and moved not by any political consideration, but solely by religious motivation of Christian charity. It deplores all hatreds, persecutions, displays of anti semitism directed against the Jews at any time or from any source. This is why Hutton Gibson said that Vatican two is quote, a Masonic plot backed by the Jews. These are the words of someone who Alex is presenting to his audience as an expert. And there are really only two possible explanations, either this is the kind of rhetoric Alex wants to promote, or he's so desperate to be in the proximity of someone who's related to a celebrity that he'll launder this kind of extreme anti semitism in order to make that association. Yeah, and I don't care which it is.

Jordan (00:09:54.000)

Yeah, I I'm just not going to be I'm not going to be a compelled by the evidence of the father of a movie star, who just hates Catholics for not being anti semitic enough? I don't know what evidence on any topic he could, like on what fast food is better if he presented evidence, I'd be like, I can't trust you because you're too anti semitic for just fucking a McDouble.

Dan (00:10:19.000)

Yeah. And I guess I'm not an expert enough on these issues. But I could see possibly somebody having a problem with the Second Vatican Council that wasn't rooted in feelings of anti semitism. I think that that's possible. I'm not sure exactly. I don't know enough about Catholicism to know where that would come from. But I'm willing to believe that Yeah. However, without and Gibson, I am not considering his numerous thoughts about how the Holocaust didn't happen, right. I'm gonna go ahead and say, you don't get a pass. You don't get you don't get the charity of like, Oh, it's just some kind of a doctrinal difference or something. No, no, no,

Jordan (00:10:58.000)

no, no, that's that is the nice thing about Catholicism, right? Is that if it even if it's not anti semitic, you can find an absurd small thing to argue about and willing to die for because it's, it's the Bible. You know, like, Hey, what are you talking about? Beaver is a fish on Fridays. I'm telling you this right now because I want to eat it and I'm the Pope. You want to use a beaver that said, Okay, a beaver is technically a fish. Facism because the pope wanted you to Beaver one time. He was like, Well, I can't eat it. I guess it's a fish now. Oh, yeah. So that's how it works. All right. I'm down. They do what they do.

Dan (00:11:37.000)

So, Mel Gibson, son of Hutton Chase was on Diane Sawyer. And apparently Hutton gave Alex some background behind the scenes. Okay. All right.

Alex Jones (00:11:48.000)

By the way, I talked to HUD and Gibson yesterday for about 30 minutes. And let's just say this, you're going to want to watch Mel Gibson on Diane Sawyer's primetime ABC tonight at 10 o'clock Eastern nine o'clock Central. We're not going to steal Mel Gibson's thunder. I mean, Hutton told me about what Mel said in the interview, but we're not going to steal his thunder here on the show and tell you what he said. In fact, they interviewed Mel for over three and a half hours, Hutton said it's only a 30 minute piece. And you take the ads out, it's probably even shorter than that. But if they don't include what Mel said, and I mean, this is bombshell stuff in this Diane Sawyer CFR piece. Believe me, you're gonna hear about it on the show tomorrow. Because we're not gonna let them get away with a normal activities. Diane Sawyer, of course, is pure New World Order. One of the biggest gun grabbers in Washington. She's a member of the council and no telling what they'll do with this piece tonight. I'm gonna be up late, up late working on a new film. So I'm going to tape it and watch it when I get home after midnight tonight. So if they handed out some key stuff, Mel was saying in this interview, will I tell you about it tomorrow?

Dan (00:13:08.000)

So this is essentially a tease for our next 2004 episodes. Right? Because I don't know, we don't know what's on the I don't know what happened in the Diane Sawyer interview. And I don't know what hug and Gibson had to say. And so we'll have to tune in to Alex's show on the 17th. All right. I like it too, to find out. But that's a matter for another day. And he

Jordan (00:13:27.000)

complains because he told me that Mel said Heil Hitler. And they did not play it on the interview.

Dan (00:13:32.000)

I'm gonna guess it's something about railing on the new world or something. It's definitely. But hunting Gibson is not today's only guests. Oh, so I've discussed how one of my favorite genres of Alex shows are when he has a neocon that he's going to he's preparing to humiliate, he's going to take them down to pay. I love those. Now your least favorite job. And that is when Alex trick someone into coming home. Who was not all of her north or Ann Coulter. And they have no idea who this guy is. And they think that they're coming in for a good faith in a regular role about something. Yeah, and that happens here. ALEX READS a story about a preacher. Oh, no. And then he has been tricked in

Alex Jones (00:14:19.000)

a church in Dallas, Texas wants people to show their love by giving up their guns this Valentine's Day, which they did. The First Presbyterian Church. I'm sponsoring a program to turn in their guns to mark the celebration of love. The sponsors will be given $50 for each gun and would be glad if the cash was used to purchase candy or flowers for Valentine's Day. Well, we're not trying to disarm cuboid of his bow and arrow but provide another meaningful opportunity for individuals to show their affection for their families by making their home safe as Valentine's Day said, church pastor Bruce Buchanan. The church has sponsored Gun buybacks before But Pastor Buchanan said he has moved the program to Valentine today because most of the people who turned in guns had families, and they did not want the guns in the homes. The church is aiming to buy back 150 guns, and to tell us how this went is a pastor British Buchanan.

Bruce Buchanan (00:15:21.000)

Thanks for having me.

Alex Jones (00:15:23.000)

So how did the gun buyback go?

Bruce Buchanan (00:15:25.000)

Well, it was very snowy and cold here in Dallas on Valentine's Day, but we held the gun buyback this was the seventh one we've done in about three years.

Dan (00:15:35.000)

So as Alex was reading that story, I was like, this is a little bit like kind of cute. Yeah, no, we're just like maybe too cute. The like, we're not trying to disarm cute, but of his bow and like, Oh, that's a nice PR thing or whatever. And then when he said here to talk about it, I was like, oh, no, no,

Jordan (00:15:51.000)

no, I that you told me in advance made me like, it is a horror movie. Yeah, moment where like, the door is creeping up. And I'm like, Don't open that door, dude. Yeah, don't open the door. Yeah,

Dan (00:16:04.000)

I felt really worried for this guy. Because I looked into him a little bit. And he just seems like a great guy. Like I don't want to see does I don't know enough about him outside of like, some articles I was able to find, but he seems like just a guy who takes his faith seriously. One of the major outreaches and things he developed it started before he was there at the First Presbyterian Church. But one of the things that was his main mission and his time before he retired, was their soup kitchen. Their outreach to cordless. Yep. And like, it just seemed like he was someone who had a lot of that Christian charity run him right and met well for people. And to know that he's just here thinking he's gonna be like, just going on a radio show to talk about this gun buyback they had and maybe their churches, outreach programs and stuff. Nope, he's gonna He's talking to Alex Jones, who was going to want to be addicted to hell, man.

Jordan (00:17:00.000)

It is. It is just so much like, I can imagine the movie of like the following this guy's morning like going throughout his day. He's having a grant. He's shaking, everybody's hand waving hello, barrier, you do it. And there's like, Oh, I'm excited. I'm gonna do this interview with this, like independent radio host obviously gonna be so much fun. All right. Oh, he asked me how what? Well, I'll just let you know. It was a little snowy on there. It's been tough weather. All right. Well, this is off to a great start. I bet nothing wrong. We'll go from here. Oh,

Bruce Buchanan (00:17:32.000)

we had 59 rifles and handguns turned in that day.

Alex Jones (00:17:38.000)

And were those by members of your church mainly?

Bruce Buchanan (00:17:42.000)

Actually, I don't believe there were any members of my church this time there have been in previous occasions that have turned in a weapon. But this time Now there were no church members that I was aware of.

Alex Jones (00:17:54.000)

Are you a member of any gun control organization? who approached you you said you've had seven years? How did you start?

Bruce Buchanan (00:18:05.000)

Well, in the Presbyterian Church, USA, there has been for about almost 20 years now a peacemaking program in the church that's observed on the first Sunday in October. And churches are encouraged to be involved in local peacemaking efforts. And for many churches that involves a supporting a domestic violence shelter, or some other initiative in the community that helps in that general area. Oh, man,

Jordan (00:18:38.000)

it's a it's a jumpscare where it's like, oh, this wasn't the time but the monster attacks. I got jumped scared. Oh, no. Okay. All right. It's just it was just the bathroom door closed. all weird. It was just the wind. It's fine. It's fine. It's totally fine. Yeah.

Dan (00:18:53.000)

Just a decent person talking about how they're through his faith. They're called to help with domestic violence shelters. And

Jordan (00:19:01.000)

it's like a field you work for? Well, I was in the I was in the carpark beneath the church and I was approached by a man wearing a large trench coat and a hat that covered his eyes and he gave me a manila envelope that said, buy back all the guns or you die.

Dan (00:19:17.000)

Which globalist way to do this. Actually, it's inspired by my faith.

Jordan (00:19:23.000)

Oh, boy.

Dan (00:19:24.000)

So things get a little bit. Pretty quick.

Bruce Buchanan (00:19:29.000)

Three years ago, one of our church members suggested that we use part of that offering to sponsor a buyback and that's what started it. And ever since then, it's funds from people in the community have come in. It doesn't come from church funds to support the program and to keep it going.

Alex Jones (00:19:47.000)

funds in the community one organizations know organizations

Bruce Buchanan (00:19:51.000)

individuals. Pastor Terry did send us a donation this year. That's like the Diocese of the press. puppeteering Church, the presbytery

Alex Jones (00:20:02.000)

Okay, well let me just be a pastor. I mean, we appreciate you coming on but let me just be upfront with number one. When one of the disciples of the Garden of Gethsemane called the year off the Roman here, Christ put it back on and said this next time sell your cloak and buy swords. But But I mean, let's elaborate on this New York, DC they have gotten banned remember Christ saying?

Alex Jones (00:20:31.000)

You gotta be kidding. You're joking, right? No, I'm not gonna Bible here on the show and make your point.

Dan (00:20:42.000)

This guy maybe can handle

Jordan (00:20:44.000)

he's, he's already grasped very quickly what's going on? Yeah, I

Dan (00:20:48.000)

think he gets a phone interview in

Jordan (00:20:53.000)

New York and LA. Oh, God.

Dan (00:20:55.000)

So one of the reasons I think that he might not get the verse that Alex is talking about is because the context is completely wrong. It wasn't the last supper that this verse Yeah. happens not at the Garden of Gethsemane. No, not after someone's ear was cut off. Right? It's a conversation at the Last Supper. Yeah. And the verse that he's talking about it specifically is Luke 2236, which says, quote, he said to them, but now let the one who has a money bag take it and likewise a knapsack and let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. It seems like this is Jesus telling the apostles to get armed because it's about time to fight. But the full context of this is actually a little bit different. It's important to read the next two verses when you're reading.

Jordan (00:21:37.000)

I'm so tired of people whenever they quote, a Bible verse out of context, all of a sudden, whenever somebody talks about it, they're like, it's important to read the other parts of it. Yeah,

Dan (00:21:46.000)

Luke 22, goes on quote, It is written, and he was numbered with the transgressors. And I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment. The disciples said to see, Lord here are two swords. That's enough you replied to swords was enough, not because the swords were for fighting or self defense. It was enough because the fact that they were armed was enough to make the law consider them transgressors. In their being seen as transgressors, Jesus was fulfilling the prophecy that he would be numbered among the transgressors, which was from Isaiah chapter 52, verse 12, quote, therefore, I will give him a portion among the great and he will divide the spoils with the strong because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors, he bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors. The reason this pastor doesn't recognize the verse that Alex is talking about is because this is not the most important verse in the general understanding of the Bible. It's an interesting wrinkle, where Jesus was making plans to play the role that he's supposed to play in his arrest and subsequent crucifixion. But it isn't a focus in and of itself. For Alex, on the other hand, it's paramount, he completely miss interprets the verse because he needs something in the Bible to give divine justification for his obsession with guns. So this verse is probably the single most important verse in the Bible to someone like him. Yeah. And so for him, it's like, you don't know the most important verse.

Jordan (00:23:19.000)

Yeah, he was really hoping that Nate Dogg and Warren G wrote that particular verse, mountain up. Now, what's always fun about that, right? What's always fun about that is that that part is an awareness on Jesus's part theoretically, in the Bible, that he is not necessarily the thing, but his by doing the things within the prophecy will then gain the the trust and awareness of the people, which I find fascinating, or he is specifically fulfilling that in order to fulfill it,

Dan (00:23:50.000)

or that he knows that that is his lot in life. And in order to be the fulfillment of the prophecy, which he is right, then he must be considered part of the rabble in the criminal element. Exactly. You know, not necessarily, I don't know, it's weird, because it isn't an instance necessarily of forcing it. But you're shrugging it kind

Jordan (00:24:13.000)

of is I mean, it is it is like, Hey, man, get a couple of swords, because we got to do this thing from the book.

Dan (00:24:19.000)

But he does all the other things, all these miracles,

Jordan (00:24:23.000)

but don't do that one. Then what happens the whole thing falls apart. Jesus goes crazy.

Dan (00:24:27.000)

See? This is this is what you're not in charge of. This is why you're not really Jordan.

Jordan (00:24:34.000)

I'm a bad god. I'm terrible at it here. You can't follow prophecy. I fucking dare you to not follow this route. See Jesus.

Dan (00:24:42.000)

Looking at it all wrong. Yeah, much like Alex. Yeah, absolutely. So anyway, this this not knowing the verse turns into a bit of a fight. And Alex is trying to make him out to be a gun grab.

Alex Jones (00:24:55.000)

I read your quote here from maybe she knows and what I get from reading the art Koleos people turn their guns in because they've got families and they think they're dangerous in the house. And the last line here is, the Valentine's Day celebration will be overseen by armed police and they use these images on the news. And I've got the gun control grips on documents on this to acclimate us to the image of people lining up turning their guns in and everywhere where they had gun registration and gun buybacks in other parts of the world. It then turns into a mandatory thing. So aren't you concerned? You're part of a conditioning process? That guns are bad here, turn them in? Are you

Bruce Buchanan (00:25:36.000)

having family and my congregation lose a child from a child playing with a pistol in a neighbor's

Alex Jones (00:25:45.000)

cars killed 12 times the result of work that has gone to that family? Well, that's because that's because they didn't properly store the guns. Don't you know there's Instant Access pistol safes that cost $75.

Bruce Buchanan (00:26:04.000)

Once again, we don't force anyone to turn in their guns or their rifles and we were pleased to make this opportunity available. Well I think in the families love their 307 households that we feel very comfortable that are now feel safer.

Dan (00:26:19.000)

That's it's a bit cold on Alex's part

Jordan (00:26:24.000)

when our congregation last kid do the fuck your kid. Yeah, you can't. What about cars? Cars? I'll hit your kid with it. What are you doing, man?

Dan (00:26:32.000)

Yeah. And then the the, you know, instant access gun safes argument is fine. But you know, these people, it's not it's not just, they don't want the gun in the house because they don't know how to handle it or where to put it safely. Right. They also just are like, I don't want this in the house necessarily. He goes on and he talks about how a number of them are people who got these as gifts, and don't necessarily want them right, Texas gifts can be guns. Yeah, yeah. And so like, it is an important point that they're not compelling anyone else to do this? If so, then the alternative of like a gun safe makes a lot of sense. If you do not know where if you are forced to turn in your gun that you don't know how to handle it right, then a gun safe is a good solution. If you don't want the gun. A place to put it isn't necessarily like solving the problem. But it is for Alex because everyone needs to have a fucking gun. Right? And if you offer anybody an alternative to having a gun, then you are trying to take his gun.

Jordan (00:27:37.000)

Exactly. That makes perfect sense. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I have you considered Alright, so you're thinking all give these people money, okay, as an incentive for them to give me these guns that they don't want and then these people won't have the guns that they don't want and will have the money that they want. Now have you considered just forcing them to buy a gun safe thereby expensing an extra $100 to this gun and then putting a gun that they don't want inside of a safe that they don't want to keep safe from the thing that they have that they don't want?

Dan (00:28:09.000)

That's what Jefferson wanted? He conceived. So Alex keeps trying to cut him off. And I will say that this pastor has vigor fortitude. Yeah, he will keep on talking. All right, good for him. Well, Pastor,

Bruce Buchanan (00:28:27.000)

Pastor Dave, some of the boxes and the things yes, they most people don't know how to properly store. I hand them how people turn in weapons in cardboard boxes. I saved one of the cardboard boxes. That was taped shot. And it had written on the side. Danger. No kids.

Alex Jones (00:28:54.000)

Let me start with who wants to hang up? That's fine. It's all a bunch of anti guns propaganda. I was taught how to use a gun at a very young age. That's where gun safety comes from. Okay, fine.

Dan (00:29:10.000)

Good for you. Great. Wow. Yeah,

Jordan (00:29:12.000)

this has gotten so bad for Alex and we're only two clips in

Alex Jones (00:29:17.000)

he puts

Dan (00:29:17.000)

the guy on hold. He put the guy on hold. Yeah. And if you want to hang up, that's fine. If you want to hang up that's fine. That lets you know that things aren't going to get better. You're on the other end of that line. It's like I'm going to be now more disrespectful. If you want to bounce

Jordan (00:29:33.000)

go ahead now that I now that I'm aware that this person has the ability to just silence me it's time to go

Dan (00:29:41.000)

and yeah, if he's not like going to play along be scared of the talking points I'm throwing at him if he's going to keep talking. Not feel like a need to be overly polite while I'm being rude. Yep, yep. Yeah, and it's time to go on hold my friend

Jordan (00:29:56.000)

and have a consistent like only a slight dynamic Increase whenever Alex tries to interrupt you just go. And then and then he just keeps with the same monotone at solid. Yeah, you're not going to talk over me moves on message. Yeah, on message. He's got the goods right now. And I will say I like his exit.

Alex Jones (00:30:15.000)

And if you love your family, you learn how to use a gun and you protect your family. This is all part of the big gun control agenda. And for you to say that Christ didn't say, sell your clothes and buy a sword. You're telling me Pastor, as a pastor, you don't know that.

Bruce Buchanan (00:30:29.000)

My back that we had, there was a mistake. We did not pass out roses

Bruce Buchanan (00:30:40.000)

turned in, and we're very pleased with that result. And I wish you well today.

Alex Jones (00:30:44.000)

I think it's horrible. I think it's horrible pasture. No, you just hung up on us on the bookshelf next to me, and I've sat through a lot of Sunday school and enjoyed it. But I do not know the particular verse. I know 50 People can call in and give us the verse.

Dan (00:31:00.000)

Oh, wow. You don't know the verse. The most important go get a sword verse. You don't know what it is. Shouldn't that be like right at the tip of his tongue like that should be he should have been ready to go all the time. Now doesn't remember it. He loves Sunday school that he wants

Jordan (00:31:15.000)

to Yeah. Oh, it's great. He learned how to use a gun in Sunday School true Sunday school

Dan (00:31:21.000)

every day. So yeah, he I respect the hell out of that staying on message. Yeah. Not being lured into the little distraction tricks that Alex has. And then just being like, I wish you well, goodbye, bouncing now. Because it's not, you're not going to get anywhere, it's not going to get better. You're not going to be able to get any of the like, messages that are probably important for you about. I mean, based on everything I can tell about this guy. Outreach seems to be like something really important in his ministry and like you're not going to have anything fruitful. Come with this. Right. And you're just gonna have Alex be a dick to you. Yeah, I

Jordan (00:32:01.000)

mean, it's it's going to start with something. Well, you know, people need that. You know, these people don't necessarily want a gun. You can you can just not want one. If he

Dan (00:32:10.000)

was talking about one person who's a grandmother. Yeah, like, maybe doesn't have the other place that you can dispose of a gun. Maybe what do you do with it? Maybe her

Jordan (00:32:21.000)

fucking grandson got her a long gun and she can't even goddamn carry it. She's got an M 16 in her house. What are we doing here?

Dan (00:32:33.000)

So after the guy leaves, Alex just decides to attack him a whole bunch.

Jordan (00:32:38.000)

I believe that, like Christ.

Alex Jones (00:32:41.000)

Play me. Don't worry that shows documented because evil always fails. That's documented because our facts documented, documented and powerful. And we're winning the fight against the New World Order. People are waking up everywhere. What an incredible statement by that so called Presbyterian pastor in Dallas, who's had a whole bunch of seven different gun buybacks. What does it mean that he didn't know the verge? where Christ said sell your clothes and buy swords? What does that mean? Well, it just shows that either the guy's a liar or he's completely ignorant of the most basic stuff in the Bible in the New Testament. Incredible when he wouldn't answer that question, when I brought it back up to him for the second time he just hung up on me.

Jordan (00:33:29.000)

He did yeah, yeah. What a real asshole Yeah.

Dan (00:33:35.000)

Testament I'm not sure

Jordan (00:33:36.000)

you know there was there's I am the way in the truth and the goodbye a gun. No one comes to the gun father except through my gun. Yeah. And then there's that one can like a few

Dan (00:33:46.000)

other things that were like more. Front of the beginning was the gun. Well, no, that's Old Testament. Okay, sorry about that. Because you did qualify it. That's true. Things here right in the New Testament is Jesus wanted you to have a fucking sore. Right, right. Right, right. I don't think so.

Jordan (00:34:06.000)

I mean, it was it was left out perhaps the most important verse in the Bible for the for you no gun enthusiast. Is that Jesus's father? All right. I know we want to call it Immaculate Conception. It was a gun. It was his father of Jesus was a gun.

Dan (00:34:25.000)

It is a sword. God was a sword because shit back then they didn't have guns. Mm hmm. But then also that whole, like, live by the sword die by the sword is kind of also from the Bible. Now, Matthew When Matthew 24 Who said that Matthew Oh, Jesus actually.

Jordan (00:34:47.000)

Yeah.

Dan (00:34:49.000)

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that. I don't know. I don't think that Alex is. I mean, it's documented in as much as that verse does exist. but it's not documented in that. I mean, he's not documenting the rest of the passage, right? He's not documenting the context around it. Well,

Jordan (00:35:09.000)

one could say that the document itself is the thing that he is trying very hard to avoid. And he is enjoying a very small grouping of words inside of the document. Yes, yeah.

Dan (00:35:18.000)

So do his collars.

Alex Jones (00:35:21.000)

Got a bunch of other news items coming up? Believe me, there's a lot of it. It's all important. But obviously, everybody wants to talk about this now. So let's go to the calls. Frank in West Virginia says he's got his Bible open to the verse chapter and verse and the verse So go ahead, Frank.

Caller 1 (805) (00:35:36.000)

Okay, Alex. Yes, you're correct, John, I'm sorry, Luke chapter 22 And verse 36. It says, Then said he unto them, but now he that hath a purse now this is Jesus quoting mind you he didn't have the purse, let him take it in likewise his script, and either have no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. Now there's a follow up first two verses later. But the thing that came to my mind, the teen years ago is, is why did Jesus tells disciples to purchase a, a sword and if they don't have the money to buy it, the script then to sell their sell their clothes, sell their garments, something that was necessary, something that was certainly a necessity for something that was more of a necessity. And Converse after this. 32nd

Alex Jones (00:36:26.000)

run around in a loincloth, if you have to, because you're going to need weapons in the future.

Jordan (00:36:33.000)

It doesn't sound like

Caller 1 (805) (00:36:35.000)

exactly

Dan (00:36:40.000)

the Bible does go on to you know, tell the tales of what happens to the apostles later. I don't recall a lot of like swashbuckling

Jordan (00:36:49.000)

there was there was a brief a brief section where Paul got on a boat headed towards the Far East it was it was dangerous but

Dan (00:37:00.000)

and then ended up in a sword fight against the global Yeah,

Jordan (00:37:02.000)

he was he was on he's in there smoking a lot of opium underneath his hair got really long. And I think It alleges that the fall I think I'm like you

Dan (00:37:10.000)

are Yeah. So the same color brings up that there's a follow up verse two verses later, which is that the bringing the two swords and Jesus saying That's enough, right? So he has an interesting assessment of what that gonna say. Now I'm interested to see where that fit. He's interpretation of this. He skips the part kind of where it calls back the prophecy from Isaiah. Sure. And just the it's enough, the two swords One of them's a short sword, one's a long sword. So it's kind of like a pistol and a rifle. Get

Jordan (00:37:39.000)

the fuck out of here. Nope. What is wrong with

Caller 1 (805) (00:37:41.000)

that? He goes and says, Actually, one of the disciples said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, it is enough. So there was the McCarron sword. There were two swords, short sword or personal protection back then, there was also a longer sword used for combat in in military service.

Alex Jones (00:38:04.000)

So we're literally talking about the pistol and the rifle.

Caller 1 (805) (00:38:07.000)

Literally, yes, in today's modern weaponry, I would have to agree with you 100% The pistol and a rifle or the A swords of today point

Alex Jones (00:38:19.000)

here is Frank, that we've got a so called Pastor Ron and he told me that that wasn't true. He told me that wasn't in probably the most read part of the Bible.

Caller 1 (805) (00:38:30.000)

That doesn't surprise you think he

Alex Jones (00:38:32.000)

was a liar? Or do you think he's a complete idiot? Oh, which is you know, I

Caller 1 (805) (00:38:36.000)

talk to a lot of pastors. I'm a preacher myself. And one thing that I found is that people will not see what they don't want to see if they're not open to the truth. They read that passage 100 times over and it just doesn't seem to stand out to them because they don't have the Holy Spirit teaching them if he isn't saved to start with. That's one

Alex Jones (00:38:56.000)

thing I've noticed that I can say something that's as clear as anything and if people don't want to believe it, they'll just twist it around for they don't understand it. Exactly.

Dan (00:39:07.000)

Oh, really. pistol and rifle guy

Jordan (00:39:09.000)

I think I think maybe one of the biggest problems with the world we live in is that we don't liberalize the eat your words like these people need to have to eat physically a cake made out of this bullshit that they are fucking spouting. So you're in applies entirely to themselves a year ago and Phantom Tollbooth. Exactly. I they should have to eat their word Spaghettios of shame.

Dan (00:39:32.000)

Yeah, but I don't think that they would have a problem with those words because they're like playing fanciful game, right? This they're adding their context. That's fun. And then but but in doing so they're depriving things of context that actually comes from the source material and then blaming everybody else of like not getting it.

Jordan (00:39:54.000)

You know, some people just only see what they want to see down.

Dan (00:39:57.000)

I will say that it is fair to say that this is in one of the most read parts of the Bible, because you know it is in the hospitals are pretty important. And it's in the lead up to the crucifixion, arrest of Jesus. So like it is in that part that people read a lot. But that doesn't mean that this verse about Swords is the most important thing.

Jordan (00:40:18.000)

Like if you're getting really hung up on this verse, you are missing all the rest of the Bible.

Dan (00:40:23.000)

You sure aren't. Yeah, so but that context thing is really this same caller, he's going to talk about a friend of his who watched one of Alex's videos, and this friend is able to understand context. All right, and this is a problem, right? For Frank,

Jordan (00:40:44.000)

this is gonna go this is gonna go bad. Yeah,

Alex Jones (00:40:46.000)

well, you know, I've noticed that I can say something that's as clear as anything. And if people don't want to believe it, they'll just twist it around for they don't understand it.

Caller 1 (805) (00:40:57.000)

Exactly, exactly. I was clear video raw matter of fact, and sat down. I remember one guy sat down with got to the part in 911 road to tyranny. And this guy was the FEMA I believe the Phantom commander who was talking about Christians and founding fathers being terrorists. This guy actually told me, he said, Yeah, I can understand that, you know, I guess they would be back then they'd be considered terrorists. This guy's identifying with the FEMA demonizing Christians and patriots.

Dan (00:41:34.000)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Understanding what the guy was saying.

Jordan (00:41:40.000)

When the guy said words, he understood that he's no, he's just understanding where the thing that you guys just said, you were so great at doing this. Oh, my God.

Dan (00:41:51.000)

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's interesting to me to see something like that, because it is a recognition that this person Frank, this color has interacted with people who get they understand reality. Yep. And it doesn't matter, though. It doesn't penetrate Frank's ideas at all. He sees the person who understands context as the one who doesn't have

Jordan (00:42:15.000)

identifying with the demons.

Dan (00:42:18.000)

And it's, it's kind of a bummer. I mean, it is a bummer, you know, kind of a bummer. It's just a bummer.

Jordan (00:42:23.000)

Here's one thing that here's a here's a huge attribute to comedy that I hadn't really considered. But I do think now is like, really, really important. The instant feedback of being understood. You know, like, if my joke works, that means that it was clear that you understood the point of it. If it doesn't work, then it wasn't clear. There's no There's no like, Oh, they're wrong. No, no, no instant reaction. Either I did it right. Or I didn't, you know, and I don't get to be like, Ah, well, the audience is wrong. If it happens every fucking time. True. Sometimes I can be like the audience is wrong. But this is a consistent pattern for Alex. Yeah, yeah.

Dan (00:43:00.000)

But it, it gets it opens up like an interesting question of like, where is what is the root of that not understanding? Like, how much of it is willful? Like, does this guy Frank this color does he legitimately understand the point that the guy he was watching the video with was making? Does he legitimately understand that this FEMA person was saying that in the time of the Revolutionary War, right, the people who are the founding fathers of our country now we're insurgents and would be considered terrorists, right? Does he not understand he must he must not be able to abstract it

Jordan (00:43:42.000)

it you know, it's because there's a clear good and evil in the world, right? So it doesn't matter what evil actions are you can't consider them terrorists because terrorists are evil. And revolutionaries are good right? So if you call them terrorists, then you're calling revolution evil and not and not terrorism.

Dan (00:44:01.000)

You certainly think that about a lot of revolution Well, sure. But those are terrorists I guess. I honestly think that for people to understand that the like founding fathers of our country were terrorists at the time that can only lead to greater understanding and nuance of the way we view terrorists right? You think it doesn't lead to like haha All right wing people. No, that's not the next thought along those lines, but it is for Alex Yeah, very weird.

Jordan (00:44:38.000)

I mean, what what I find so fascinating about it is that these are concepts that they can abstractly understand in like sci fi or in fiction in those worlds, they can be able they can take like, oh, Luke Skywalker, is technically speaking, if you wanted to consider him a terrorist rebels, they're the rebels. That's the idea, you know, and he's still the hero

Dan (00:45:00.000)

I don't know, Alex kinda likes the burn. That's true. He

Jordan (00:45:02.000)

does fucking love the Emperor. Maybe he's just a bad dude.

Dan (00:45:09.000)

He's thinking is just like not a good thinker fairly on. It's fairly rigid. It's not it's not like, it's a bit more concrete than it should be. Yeah. It's

Jordan (00:45:18.000)

just like, I don't understand. I can't understand how you can think the way he does and still exist. Yeah.

Dan (00:45:25.000)

And he teaches that to the callers and the listeners. Right back. Yeah. Yeah. So this show is just like, been taken over by hatred of this pastor. Yeah, yep. Just,

Jordan (00:45:37.000)

we got to focus. Yep.

Alex Jones (00:45:39.000)

For those who just joined us, about 15 minutes ago, I had pastor on the show, Bruce, you call on the First Presbyterian Church in Dallas. That's a big church, by the way, folks, I'm from Dallas. And they'd had seven gun buybacks and had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of guns turned down. They just had another one on Valentine's Day. And I mentioned Luke 2236, where Christ said, you know, if you don't have money, show your cloak and buy a sword. And he said, No, that that doesn't exist. I don't know about that. When that's one of the most famous well known verses out of the New Testament.

Dan (00:46:21.000)

It's not one of the most famous verses, but it is to Alex, because he needs it. He needs it to exist in the misrepresented version that he believes it to exist in, because like I said, it gives divine justification to guns. Yep. And that way he can tie his gun absolutism and that extremism into his religious beliefs, and therefore kind of make it seem less assailable. From people having a critical opinion. That's just bullshit. Yes, it's kind of a cowardly refuge,

Jordan (00:46:55.000)

tying awful things to religion in order to get people who otherwise wouldn't do them to do them as a time honored tradition.

Dan (00:47:02.000)

There's a rich, yeah,

Jordan (00:47:03.000)

I mean, that's just that's what we're all here for.

Dan (00:47:05.000)

True, but it's very transparent with Alex it is very transparent. And it's it is kind of interesting, because I would imagine that many of the religious people that he's surrounded by, maybe it is one of the most famous important for leads to them.

Jordan (00:47:18.000)

There aren't many that justify wanton violence, but

Dan (00:47:22.000)

yeah, and the people that he is, you know, in community with Yeah, are probably also the type who want divine justification for gun absolutism. Let's,

Jordan (00:47:35.000)

let's get into it. Let's talk Alex, should the Canaanites have fought back or would they be evil? Ooh, we don't know. The Bible is crazy. I don't know that verse. Yeah. Right. It's one of the most famous verses of all time

Dan (00:47:48.000)

so Alex gets into gun safety a little bit, and talks about his history with guns. All right. And this is just a little addition to his biography. Great.

Alex Jones (00:47:58.000)

Well, it's common sense. Richard, you love your family, you're supposed to be a man and know how to use a gun. You're supposed to train your children. The good news is that common sense to some people. But at four years of age, I was sitting in my father's lap, shooting Folgers Coffee cans with a 410 shotgun. By the time I was eight years old, I can shoot a buck moving at 200 yards away. Today, I can shoot deer at 600 yards. Because my father trained me and no one in our whole family history has had an accident with a gun. And in the past, we all own guns and the guns were on the gun case right out in full view. By the time a child could get up there to the guns they knew not to touch him, unless they were out shooting with their parents. Should we didn't have all these accidents because people knew how to use guns. And we were a free country. Go ahead.

Dan (00:48:48.000)

You had plenty accidents. Yeah. I don't know. I don't come from a gun family. So I don't know if four is young to be sitting on a parent's lap shooting a shotgun.

Jordan (00:48:59.000)

I mean, I see like, the oil is too much for a four year old. That's why you got the dad's arm. Right? I understand that. I mean, I'm not saying I don't judge that if you can if you can carry a child and fire a shotgun at the same time. I think there are so many other questions that you need to answer way before we get there.

Dan (00:49:18.000)

It's hard for me to have any context that might be normal in some like communities or folks, but like it seems young, it feels young too. Well, I

Jordan (00:49:28.000)

mean, there's there's Alex and Daniel Boone. Those are two four year olds that I know who can shoot. I mean,

Dan (00:49:34.000)

it's completely different standards. If we're talking about like the Wild West.

Jordan (00:49:37.000)

Exactly. I think that's what but I mean, I think that's where Alex is believing that he grew up No. suburb of Dallas. No, no, he grew up where he was fighting in the late 70s. Fighting to get noon every goddamn day. Practicing to fire a shotgun. No. What are we doing? I don't know why. Oh, I can shoot a deer at 600 yards. Does that mean you're good at firing guns? I think so. putt putt like okay, how does that keep you from accidentally shooting yourself?

Dan (00:50:06.000)

I don't know. But I really admire Alex for not when he said he can shoot a buck. I'm so proud that he didn't finish that up by saying also he can run a trotline because he always does that. Good for him. So anyway, he's really angry. Alright. And another caller wants to shit on the

Alex Jones (00:50:23.000)

past. Look at Mel Gibson trying to make a movie about Jesus getting attacked. Look at how upside down things have gotten. So people running around the Superbowl there's, but they don't have to be taken over all this is happening. I tell you, let's go ahead and take another call. Let's talk to Paul in Missouri, Paul, go ahead. Hello. Yes,

Hutton Gibson (00:50:49.000)

Alex. Yes, I wanted to quote that scripture, but I see everybody else does the same thing. It says the same thing in my Bible. I guess that Pastor earned his 30 pieces overdid me. Ah, got him.

Alex Jones (00:51:04.000)

I guess she did.

Hutton Gibson (00:51:09.000)

Okay, that's all I want to tell you.

Dan (00:51:13.000)

Wanted to get a little bit in. Now I'm off. Well, she called him too. But she just she had her Bible and everyone else had already done Oh, that's right. She was waiting on hold on. Hey, maybe he's a Judas. Right. Wait,

Jordan (00:51:27.000)

boy, that's that's a that's a great YouTube comment. Yeah.

Dan (00:51:30.000)

So not all of the callers are roundly against this pastor. Okay, good. Some of them have a little bit more understanding of of what's going on here.

Alex Jones (00:51:41.000)

Diane, go ahead.

Caller 2 (805) (00:51:43.000)

Hi, Alex. My name is actually Deanna. That's all right. Um, I'm calling in about the pastor who was on the show in the first hour. And I just like to defend him in, in a couple of areas. The verse that you cited, I went to 16 years of Christian, you know, elementary school, high school, college. And I've read the gospel several times.

Alex Jones (00:52:04.000)

Hold on just second. Yeah. Are you for gun control? I'm not. Okay. Well, the preacher for those that don't know, just joined us in the last hour who had a gun buyback in Dallas that ABC News reported on? He was saying that he didn't know that, that in the Gospel of Luke that Christ said sell your clothes and buy a sword. Right. Okay, go ahead.

Caller 2 (805) (00:52:29.000)

Um, I would like to say, though, that the many times that I've read the gospels, that verses never jumped out at me. And it makes sense to me that people who are who are pro gun would would know verses like that and be able to use them to support their cars, and then be able to say, well, those of you who don't know, well, then you must just be stupid, because you've never whatever.

Alex Jones (00:52:49.000)

Hold on a minute. Hold on to that. Who hasn't read the part? 70 I mean, that's the most read part of the Bible is the last four hours of Christ's life. Okay,

Caller 2 (805) (00:53:01.000)

I mean, the real point that I wanted to make was that I sort of feel bad for you unsuspecting interviewees sometimes, because I don't think that they know what they're getting into.

Dan (00:53:12.000)

They don't know what they're getting into. I ambush people. Yeah, I don't understand how you didn't quite understand that is a criticism of you. I don't know if it was laughing. Maybe true. Yeah. Yeah. But your point is well taken. Yeah. And it also Alex still saying it's at the Garden of Gethsemane, which is not true. Yeah. He's conflating some things. But her point that like people who are pro gun, this would be one of the most important verses for them. And I would say that anybody who doesn't know it is stupid. Yeah. That's all that's going on. Yep. So another caller calls in and actually wants to explain to Alex, the nature of the having a sword to fill the prophecy of transgression, oh, being counted as part of the one. We're going to seminary. And this is just vintage Alex. Okay. Mike down for this because, obviously, spoiler alert, she hangs up on Sure. Sure, sure, sure. But listen to where that happened. Okay, because it is very calculated.

Caller 2 (805) (00:54:12.000)

The other thing about that verse is being taken out of context and Luke 20, Luke 2236, nowhere in the Pauline Epistles or anywhere in the gospels, are there any examples that were to live by the sword? I'm not saying it's like done.

Alex Jones (00:54:27.000)

Well, that's not true. The entire Bible was about people defending themselves against tyranny,

Caller 2 (805) (00:54:32.000)

but not as Jesus came. That was in the Old Testament. I've read the Bible more than

Alex Jones (00:54:37.000)

it was wrong that the Founding Fathers stood up to England.

Caller 2 (805) (00:54:40.000)

Know the truth of the scriptures. There's this and that we

Alex Jones (00:54:43.000)

want to just tell you something, I'm going to defend my family. And you're not gonna have 100 pastors on here to repeat what you're saying,

Caller 2 (805) (00:54:50.000)

Well, I'm not what, you know, there's plenty of scriptures to refute it, to refute the fact that we are to not live like that it says Blessed are the peacemakers. Here's an animal,

Alex Jones (00:55:01.000)

and you make peace by defending, and by going after the enemies that are attacking you,

Caller 2 (805) (00:55:06.000)

if you let me explain this person 20 to 36 of Luke, that's not what it means it's been taken out of context. It is a no wise meant for us to go arm to fight

Alex Jones (00:55:18.000)

the whole thing. And that's not true. And thanks for the call. Thanks for the call Hitler was for gun control in the bottle.

Dan (00:55:25.000)

So yeah, she is about to explain the context that this verse exists in, and he immediately hangs up on her that isn't intentional action. Yeah, that is he does not want to even have to engage with the context. And to me, that implies that he knows. Yeah, that implies to me that he's aware that he's misusing this verse for his own political ends. Right? That seems pretty clear. Right?

Jordan (00:55:54.000)

I mean, it seems it seems very difficult to go from a very cohesive message, which is that you should place yourself below every other person on this planet, to the point where if they want to kill you, you should allow yourself to be killed, and turn that into, we got to arm up and start blowing people left and right.

Dan (00:56:13.000)

The only way to have peace is to kill all gotta kill a piece.

Jordan (00:56:17.000)

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a little bit of a twist it is, but I'll take

Dan (00:56:22.000)

it. Now, I think that I would take Alex for more of a sincere actor, if he were to have a call or like this call in and say, this is taken out of context. Let me explain what the, you know, my perspective on this. And he were to say, Here, I have my perspective on this, I would like to hear yours, and then go back and forth. Yeah, be open to whatever this person is bringing to the table because you're so secure In your knowledge of the scripture that is so important to you, right? That you are able to handle somebody providing an alternative viewpoint, but he's not. He can't handle that. And he wouldn't be able to rebut it. I am fairly certain

Jordan (00:57:01.000)

I am amazed. I am amazed at the confidence with which Alex can say that he knows the Bible. I mean, just just on a purely like I've read the Bible a bunch of times, but you know, the Bible is a several 1000 year old book, and it has been studied by people much smarter than me over and over and over again over those 1000s of years. I don't think I have an original original opinion about the Bible. I don't have anything interesting to add. I definitely don't know it as well, as somebody who fucking knows it.

Dan (00:57:31.000)

Sure, you know, yeah, I mean, you can have read it. But there's so many books in it that are all different and they're all written under different contexts. A lot of them are in conversation with each other the books themselves, the aspects of the like it just in this case, the prophecy and Isaiah, looping back into the Gospel of Luke. And like there's there are literary aspects to it that if you don't study the Bible, you don't really understand there. There's just so much

Jordan (00:58:03.000)

I always skip songs because I don't like bad poetry. Damn, it's just bad. It's just bad.

Dan (00:58:07.000)

Well, like Steven Crowder, I escaped songs a song because I don't want to get a boner. That's a good goal.

Jordan (00:58:13.000)

Whoa,

Dan (00:58:15.000)

so yeah, this. The other thing too, is that like, he spends so much of this episode shitting on this pastor, yeah, I know mostly about the sword verse. And he's not willing to hear from a caller who agrees with him and isn't in favor of gun control, a different interpretation of this verse. And that, to me is cowardly, and yes, just weak. So now, we get to sing your Gibson.

Jordan (00:58:45.000)

I cannot believe just how Christ like it is to just shit on a pastor for disagreeing with you about gun control for

Dan (00:58:53.000)

the whole Bible is about God. What don't you understand?

Jordan (00:58:57.000)

Fuck that guy. Yeah, that guy sucks. I hate him. Anyways, here's my interpretation of Luke.

Dan (00:59:02.000)

The whole Bible is about fighting the globalist See, a

Jordan (00:59:06.000)

small sword is like a pistol. Long Sword is like a rifle. Alex, you understand this Bible better than anybody I ever done that

Dan (00:59:13.000)

in that verse. It doesn't even say one of them as long. See, there's

Jordan (00:59:17.000)

two sorts. There's two types of sword at the time. What about the mace?

Dan (00:59:21.000)

So Hutton Gibson? shows up. Oh, Holocaust denier extraordinaire, father to Mel Yep, Hutton Gibson and Alex asks, What do you think about that song? It's

Alex Jones (00:59:32.000)

been going wild for the last two hours while it's in the show today. But did you hear about all the craziness that's going on

Hutton Gibson (00:59:41.000)

with the show all

Alex Jones (00:59:46.000)

afternoon, some places in the morning other places you're right. Good work, Hutton. I mean, I don't want to digress but I know you talk a lot about this. I mean to have a preacher in Dallas, a Presbyterian, saying that he didn't know that Jesus said I'd sell your cloak and buy a sword, that it's hard to, it's hard to believe that a preacher wouldn't know that. But that cuts right to the heart of the matter of what we're facing toward

Hutton Gibson (01:00:10.000)

Earth, these preachers will say, I know every word. I say, you only know the words that are recorded in the Gospel. Anyway, that's, that's their province. They're supposed to do that.

Dan (01:00:27.000)

Great point. hudon. Yeah, you

Jordan (01:00:29.000)

don't know what he read on the shitter. Do you know what

Dan (01:00:32.000)

Jesus said around the dinner table? Just, you know, just on a Tuesday, he know when

Jordan (01:00:38.000)

I'm telling you in around, he's Listen, I've been in Chicago a long time. But Jesus is Polish jokes. Whoa, they were a little bit too dark. Even. It was different time. It was a different time. Yeah. Um,

Dan (01:00:48.000)

yeah. I mean, I guess that's true that we don't know what Jesus said, when things weren't recorded. Sure.

Jordan (01:00:54.000)

Sure. I agree. I might even argue that we don't know exactly what he said at all.

Dan (01:01:02.000)

I mean, I also think that there's a parade of historical figures that we don't know what

Jordan (01:01:11.000)

people are TV right now. We don't know what they said. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Okay.

Dan (01:01:16.000)

So this appearance by Hutton Gibson is a bit more about his feelings about Catholicism than the last time, which was sort of right wing grievances. Like the draft is coming. Yeah, everyone's being mean to my boy, real real Bible. Lee today? Yes, yes, quite. And so Hutton gets into his feelings about the Catholic Church.

Alex Jones (01:01:40.000)

I had you on a few weeks ago, we got into the new world order in the draft and all of this, but I mean, I was captivated talking to you yesterday for 30 minutes about how the Catholic Church was taken over in 1958. Or that's when one of the big takeovers took place. And I want to talk about that. One of the basics.

Hutton Gibson (01:02:00.000)

Currently had an election there in October, to elect a new pope. And they did it twice. Apparently, the white smoke came up on October 26. That means we have a pope. And the there's only one phone going in and out of the place. The man inside called the man outside and said, Get the guard out. We got a new book for you. So, five minutes later, this month turned black, the guy called back and said, hey, it's a mistake. Mistake that people don't make mistakes. The people who have a job like that, you know, it's probably been in their family for generations. Probably,

Jordan (01:02:41.000)

I can. I'm just going to create fictional people that I assume would never make a mistake like this.

Dan (01:02:47.000)

If your argument is no one makes mistakes, or people in high stakes positions don't make mistakes. I mean, sure, it's maybe emotionally persuasive. But it's not definitive. No. So there were multiple Miss readings of smoke signals during the 1958 people on clay. One of them was most likely due to a fire mishap, like the difference in how they made black and white smoke had to do with like wetness of hay and whatever,

Jordan (01:03:12.000)

right. There are some problems with a smoke based communication system. It's

Dan (01:03:17.000)

true. And then the other one was due to the smoke being viewed after nightfall where it was lit from below made a call it made it appear to be white when it was in fact black smoke. Sure, sure. Sure. So there's real difficulties with symbolic announcement. Now, boy, there was some trouble in the 1939 enclave as well, when they released smoke that was supposed to be white, but ultimately turned black, which naturally sent a mixed message.

Jordan (01:03:40.000)

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

Dan (01:03:41.000)

I'd be very confused. So this is an imprecise system, which is why they now use chemicals to make sure that the correct color of smoke appears plainly for all to see, do weird fix, but it's a good way to retain tradition, I guess. Yeah, sure, I suppose in the 1980s, and ultra conservative Catholic named Gary goofier decided to use the color confusion in the 1958 enclave to push a conspiracy theory that said that there was a pope, who was decided when that first white smoke was seen, and it was this conservative Cardinal named Giuseppe Siri. Siri was allegedly voted in as Pope but then he was threatened by Jews and Freemasons not taking the position. So the Enclave continued on voting. The 1958 enclave elected Pope John the 23rd. But he would only live for a few more years after that dying in 1963. The subsequent enclave in 1963 elected Giovanni Montini, who took on the name Paul the sixth, but according to the conspiracy theory, again, it was supposed to be Cardinals theory, but the Jews and Freemasons made a bunch of threats Sure, which stopped his election again, you're gonna do all this is nonsense, and there's no proof of any of it and Syria himself has never gone on record about it and seems to show literally no indication towards supporting this theory. However, in the 1958 enclave, John the 23rd was elected and he was the pope who called Hold for the Second Vatican Council, which strongly condemned anti semitism. So this conspiracy theory gives the appearance of some kind of greater storyline behind the opposition to the post Council church that doesn't rely just on saying you want to deny the Holocaust, right? That's what Newton is espouse on Yeah, it's an elaborate theory he promotes because the church he wants to belong to doesn't support him denying the Holocaust and believing in ridiculous anti semitic conspiracies, which seems to be more important, right. And he's not willing to give that up.

Jordan (01:05:28.000)

See, I'm I'm of the opinion that once you have a boy Pope, once you got a teenage Pope, every Pope after that has to be a teenager, I think that should just be the rule. Otherwise, it makes you look like maybe you're taking advantage of a child in order to gain power for yourself. And you can't have that that's that's just not how religion works. No, you shouldn't do that. So they should always be a 14 year old Pope. That's my that's my new rule. Okay, and you should vote digitally. You don't need the smoke.

Dan (01:05:54.000)

Well, let's see the smoke, I believe, as I understand is a sort of a call back to or a thing about they have to burn all the ballots? Sure. So no one knows who anybody voted for.

Jordan (01:06:07.000)

Oh, no, I understand the symbolism. Yeah, I'm just saying in my child, Pope world, everybody's voting digitally. Okay. All right.

Dan (01:06:15.000)

I think you're gonna have a tough time and tie

Jordan (01:06:17.000)

dye Cardinals ropes, none of this red, none of this red noise. I think I'm making big changes.

Dan (01:06:23.000)

I think there's gonna be a wider community of people who dislike your third Vatican.

Jordan (01:06:28.000)

Vatican three is gonna be real unpopular. I think that one's not gonna go over well,

Dan (01:06:31.000)

not going to be largely anti Semite, or against you on this one. But that's

Jordan (01:06:35.000)

what we need. Now, the anti Semites don't have anything to argue about everybody's mad at Vatican three.

Dan (01:06:42.000)

I don't think you're gonna look at supporting you, I'll be over here playing potatoes on the street. And you can go try and start a whole line of papacy. Okay. So Hutton, just all over the place. Yeah.

Alex Jones (01:07:00.000)

Go over that for people that don't understand it. And then let's get into the the takeover of the Catholic Church. Well, they

Hutton Gibson (01:07:06.000)

burn the ballots each time. So nobody knows who voted for whom after they're counted. And then they put them in the fire. They're inside the Sistine Chapel and the smoke comes out the chimney is either white or black, depending on whether the straw is wet or dry. So when it comes out white, that means we have a pope elect. Then it's 58 there on the 26th of October. They came out white, and went that way for five minutes. And suddenly it started getting Gray, and then it turned black. And then they recall the cards and said, Hey, there's been a mistake. I say that. That's unbelievable. It's just not likely. Be the first time it ever happened. Except for

Dan (01:07:55.000)

the last time and it 39

Jordan (01:07:57.000)

Fire is number one thing that makes mistakes, it's fire. It's fire. Everything burns. Fucking Notre Dame burned to true

Dan (01:08:05.000)

everything can burn fire is somewhat unpredictable. In many of its behaviors. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's it's not something that is beyond the realm of possibility that there could be a mistake. Yeah. Especially with fire. Yeah. And when one of your ingredients that's essential for creating the symbol is wet. Yeah.

Jordan (01:08:26.000)

A wet fire. Why can't we control this wet fire? Yeah. I don't know. Not buying it. No, it's hard to believe not buying it. Nope. Somebody who's been doing this since their great grandfather started the job would never make a mistake with

Dan (01:08:43.000)

well, actually, he says, like it's probably been in the family for a long time. He doesn't say well, maybe indirectly, like your uncle got a fine whatever. Maybe. Maybe it's not passed down to the firstborn. That responsibility share up all over the place could be an avuncular

Jordan (01:08:58.000)

I don't like this whole thing, Hutton. So

Dan (01:09:01.000)

I was really disappointed by this. Yeah. And honestly, this is where I lost a lot of respect for her and Gibson. And I had very little to begin with didn't have much. Alex asked him for some, like behind the scenes stuff about the information about the 58. Totally, yeah. And all he has is dumb shit, conspiracy theory, talking points. There is nothing here.

Alex Jones (01:09:23.000)

Now hunting. I've talked to some of your associates. And I've read some books on this subject. Specifically, going back to 1958. Do you have any information on what happened behind the scenes or how they made them change the voting or go back and then announce a new pope? I mean, how did that take place?

Hutton Gibson (01:09:44.000)

Well, apparently they elected somebody and he would have been a man who was not particularly palatable to certain other interests. And so many went out and came back with the with that message This guy isn't gonna go we're not gonna we're going to run into trouble somebody's gonna blow in Rome with the atom bomb or something like that. Yeah, that sounds right. And instead of standing up to him and going over to the radio and broadcasting that they they folded up and elected somebody else without getting rid of the one they had already elected.

Alex Jones (01:10:21.000)

Now do we know who they had really elected?

Hutton Gibson (01:10:24.000)

I have a pretty couple of pretty good guesses. I think it was probably Cardinals theory genuine. Or there's another way

Hutton Gibson (01:10:42.000)

to skin

Alex Jones (01:10:44.000)

to skin okay.

Dan (01:10:46.000)

You think seems like this is seems like that might have been more on your on your radar.

Jordan (01:10:54.000)

Pope seems pretty important. Yeah, right. Full polo, rightful

Dan (01:10:57.000)

pope is pretty, I would know the name. This is all just the shit from the 1880s conspiracy theory. The new king of Rome is what the threat was that the Freemasons had over them that made them revolt against theory. Yeah, it's just just a load of shit. I got I found this to be really disappointing because if I am going to be listening to Mel Gibson's dad give me this. This nonsense conspiracy theory shit. I want him to actually have something a little deeper. Say what you want. Right about Leo's origami. I was just gonna bring him up. He throws in so many details and all of these like he tells stories about humble like what they did and secret room.

Jordan (01:11:45.000)

Details about what they were wearing. Like easy. Oh, yes. He was wearing it. Yeah, no, no

Dan (01:11:50.000)

dresses this up so well of like, like he has insider information that he is making up? Yeah, yeah. It creates a robust world. For this. It's just like, I don't know, go read one of those dumb books that are just the basics of this conspiracy. That's as good as talking about Gibson. Because that's all he's got.

Jordan (01:12:10.000)

I was just I was just thinking that I was just thinking if you want to have HUD and get going on to talk about Vatican two, you got to tie him together with Leo's Egami. Because that's Alex doesn't know Leo at this. I know. And that's why he shouldn't be saying anything about

Dan (01:12:21.000)

Leo is not the Messiah. I'm not sure Leo is it? 2004. Really? You

Jordan (01:12:28.000)

have the man who did 911 On your show.

Dan (01:12:30.000)

Leo might be in prison in 2000 sure where he's at? I

Jordan (01:12:34.000)

think he's still dance it. I think he's still I think he's still Raven.

Dan (01:12:37.000)

No, I don't think so. I think his his rave days were in like the 80s and 90s. Yeah, sure. 2004.

Jordan (01:12:44.000)

That was when he was waking up.

Dan (01:12:47.000)

Yeah. drying out. Yeah, he's on

Jordan (01:12:49.000)

an eight year dry.

Dan (01:12:50.000)

Yeah. So I one last clip here. And it's just Alex signing off on and agreeing with Hutton

Alex Jones (01:12:58.000)

take the National Rifle Association, please. Decades ago, it was pro gun. Today, its job is this arming the American people. They go into federal courts, they botched cases they they go after groups that are really pro gun. They're there to neutralize the five plus million members to pacify them. They've been overtaken the Baptist churches, a lot of them are pro New World Order anti gun anti family, the chaplain to the Methodist, it's happened to the Episcopalian. I mean, you see these articles all the time. You've seen in your own church. And this was what the elite is good at is going in and taking over organizations, institutions. And clearly, that's what happened with the Catholic church after 1958.

Dan (01:13:54.000)

So yeah, it's um, it's an interesting episode. Because you have Hutton Gibson, who, you know, is a horrible person. Yeah. By his belief, monsters bigot. And Alex is all about it, though. Yeah, he is. He is not critical of the things that Hutton is saying. He is completely on board with it. He takes things just at face value. lapping it up. Yeah, simultaneously. He has a pastor on earlier in the show who did a gun buyback program. I hate that guy. Most of the show shitting on him saying he hasn't been saved, talking about how he's not a real pastor. And this is a guy who from all appearances spent a large portion of his time selflessly giving back to people who are vulnerable. And that kind of tells you what you need to know about Alex.

Jordan (01:14:52.000)

It's really it's really hard not to listen to this episode and be like, Oh, well, I get it. Yeah.

Dan (01:15:01.000)

Somebody like that pastor from the Presbyterian Church is a monster and like, a danger right in Alex's view, right? And someone like HUD and Gibson is preaching the truth. And also, we're not going to talk about all of the Holocaust denial that he does on air, because I want to present him as the person who's doing the truth. Right? And I don't want you to have to worry your little head about that. No, now if someone calls in and tells me that I'm taking this verse that I'm attacking the Presbyterian guy with out of context, well, we're gonna hang up on the hang up. Yeah, we're not gonna allow that kind of talk here.

Jordan (01:15:34.000)

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it is it is kind of amazing to thump your bible so hard, that you can be described as a Christian by the world, despite the fact that you clearly hate more than anyone else in the Bible. Jesus Christ.

Dan (01:15:53.000)

feels it feels like you wouldn't be unto him. It does feel like it would be a bummer for him to meet. If Jesus was like, I didn't I look. Not everybody needs a sword. No, what? Hang up?

Jordan (01:16:03.000)

Like wouldn't that be it would be like Jesus Himself could appear and disagree with Alex and Alex COVID would just be like, I fuck you. You're not Jesus, bam, Well, God,

Dan (01:16:13.000)

but Jesus might speak in a parable. And then Alex would be like, what I'm hearing is, you like guns? You

Jordan (01:16:18.000)

just tell me to buy more guns? All right. All right.

Dan (01:16:21.000)

I'm gonna interpret that now. I like Yeah.

Jordan (01:16:23.000)

Oh, shit I should have. That's when Jesus in real time, Jesus would be like, Fuck, I should have just said it should have just been straight up. I just told too many stories. My problem I was a storyteller, I like to do

Dan (01:16:35.000)

too much faith, ability to think abstractly,

Jordan (01:16:40.000)

too much faith, Jesus Christ.

Dan (01:16:44.000)

I thought this was just an interesting document in and of itself, this episode, the polar opposites of people who have faith that appears to be largely centered around things that are genuinely benefits to society that help people they are taking the energy that comes from your beliefs, and channeling it into something good. And somebody who is clearly so angry about the church, repudiating anti semitism. Yep. And creating their entire life and their beliefs around attacking and D legitimizing the Catholic church because they believe that they should still have those beliefs pre Second Vatican Council. Yeah. It's just two sides of the coin. And you see which side Alex like

Jordan (01:17:36.000)

Yeah, I mean, it is it is nice. In some respects, the extremity of this show, because it makes things so stark. You know, like, we don't have somebody who's complicated and we don't have to complicated people. We have very clear heroes and villains here. This is maybe the most stark difference between a hero and villain in real life I think I've seen in a long time

Dan (01:17:57.000)

in the same episode. Last episode, it's bananas. Yeah. And one of them is somebody that Alex has to lure on to the show on what probably were false premises,

Jordan (01:18:11.000)

you know, like, share

Dan (01:18:12.000)

he did. He said that, you know, this, it was essentially an ambush. Yeah, he delighted in this guy not knowing what he's getting into. So and then the other person is Mel Gibson's dad who gets treated like royalty, right? And Alex fakes fake laughs of everything he says, does that obsequious is? Sometimes it's in the afternoon, sometimes it's in the morning. Depends on where you are on to so right Mr. Gibson? Yeah. Like it's, it's It's pathetic. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yep. So the past, you know, I mean, you learn things from looking at it. And you see this pile of shit. Alex Jones, high made never was good. Nope. Always sucked. But we'll be back. Well, unless you have any other thoughts.

Jordan (01:19:01.000)

I mean, I think it's amazing that that is, I mean, it is kind of amazing that you can't see that. Like the idea that you can be inside that situation that Alex is in and not be able to see very clearly what's going on.

Dan (01:19:17.000)

I would suggest that it's possible that he does, that it's possible to I agree, and maybe is aware on purpose. Yeah. Because things like what that Presbyterian pastor, what he stands for, in theory, allowing people to turn in guns to feel more safe. Of feeding the hungry, providing shelter for the unhoused. Yeah, those are things that fit in with Alex's political set. Those aren't things that he wants, he would want people to, I guess be forced to have guns. He would want people it feels like he wants to force people to have guns, right? Yeah. And he wants people who are experiencing homelessness to have a harder time. Yeah, he has no mercy within him. And then, you know, something like Hutton to politically does. You know, he is somebody whose political set aligns closely with Alex. So I don't care that he doesn't think the Holocaust No,

Jordan (01:20:19.000)

I mean, it's so funny how much fighting people do between religions like, oh, Islamic Christianity, it's like, man, you can go to a fucking 20 mile radius in the Midwest, and you will find 15 different versions of Christianity that would all kill each other if there weren't other people to fight.

Dan (01:20:42.000)

Or at least they would shake fists. Yeah, I mean,

Jordan (01:20:45.000)

obviously, I'm being hyperbolic. They wouldn't all just kill each other. But the point is that they don't actually agree on shit at all.

Dan (01:20:52.000)

And you can just tune into the episode of Alex Jones and hear some folks who don't agree and Alex seemingly not agree with himself. Yep. So we'll be back Jordan, buddy. Tell them we have a website? Indeed

Jordan (01:21:05.000)

we do. It's now the fight.com Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter at that analogy underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan. Oh, shit. I lost it. No, nevermind, cut that out. I can't believe I accidentally did that. I'm not gonna cut it. Because that was a complete brain. Oh my god. I don't know what happened to my brain right there. I stroked out dead. Jordan is dead

Dan (01:21:26.000)

in bed. There's none. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neil. I'm Leo. I'm dz X clerk.

Andy In Kansas (01:21:34.000)

Mail. Boy real. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.