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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your room

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Knowledgefight

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are, Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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Why don't you go first?

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Uh, Dan, do you know what my bright spot is?

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What's that?

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TENIS!

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Oh god

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No, it's not tennis, it's uh, Sarah and I went and played tennis earlier this afternoon

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Wonderful

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Yes, Sarah, shocking friend of the show, Barney and Sarah love wrestling

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She is good

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Uh oh

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She's got to serve, man

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She was blasted in some, that I was like, well I'm gonna take a little sit down

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I could see that

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I feel like she probably is a person who has about a million talents that like you just don't expect

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100%

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Every, everything you accidentally, like you go to like a knife throwing place and it turns out

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she's a dead eye

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Yeah, no, I threw knives for a while whenever I was in college and you're like what, how do, what?

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Yeah, that's what, yeah, she collects being good at skills

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Yeah, so you got your ass kicked?

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Uh, no, I think we were pretty, we were on a pretty even keel

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Okay, this is just your way of bragging

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No, no, no, no, everywhere but that serve where she was just

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So just ace in you?

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Ace in me

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Like it was, like it wasn't even hard

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Wow

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Well, as many people know, I have started to grow some plants again

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Indeed

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And so I've got a couple of cucumbers coming up, couple of seedlings

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I also have some grow bags with potatoes that I put in there

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And I have no faith in these potatoes to grow at all

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You have no faith in yourself or in potatoes in general?

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Myself

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I just feel like there's something weird about putting a potato in the ground

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and then expecting something to happen

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It's very weird

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That is fair

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Uh, but I was just in there and I was looking at the soil

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and little buds are coming up out of the potato

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Nice

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Like out of the dirt growing from the spud

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So that's really exciting

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It is, it is fun that sometimes you can really like take a step back and think

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You know, I bet a long time ago somebody just threw a potato

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and then a bunch of potatoes grew wherever it landed, you know

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Like whenever the land was was filled with nothing, you know

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You just threw a potato and potatoes would show up

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Yeah

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That's magic

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I had like a little compost thing going and I had a bean, I think

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A pinto bean, maybe

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I'm not sure what it was

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But yeah, I think it was a pinto bean

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And like it was in the, it sprouted

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Whatever, like it couldn't have been a pinto bean

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It was in the garbage and it still sprouted

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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It was, it was nuts

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It was like just coffee grinds and dirt and like it just took

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It's so funny how so many plants are like, there's just no way to make this grow

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And then there are tons where you're like, stop, leave me alone, get away from me

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Yep

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So something that also you would yell, stop, get away from me too is Alex Jones

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There we go

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Now that's, that's a segue

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And you're gonna feel that way today as we continue our part two

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Or we go into part two of our examination of his coverage of 9-11

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Yeah

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2001

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We are surreal

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We are now onto the evening show, which is 9 to midnight

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And if you haven't listened to the first one, go ahead and do that

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Because it's, there's some prerequisites

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Does it get better?

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Does it get better?

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No, it does not

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I was thinking about it after we

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Get ready for a weird ride

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I was thinking about it after we left, after we were done recording

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And I'm just like, in my head, I really don't believe

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If you had told me 20 years ago, if you had showed me the broadcast

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I would not have believed it was happening

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Right, right

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If I came up to you and I was like, hey, Alex Jones says that the EU

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100 percent, 100 percent

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In order to help strengthen the Euro

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What, this is before YouTube, that was, that's a great observation, I guess

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Sure

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Absurd

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Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of surprises going on

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And there's some more today

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But first, before we get into any of that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks

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Oh, that's a great idea

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So first, Frank of Frank's Beach, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Next, Alex's atrophied sense of shame, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Also, this is, we're not too late on this

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We're not too, just a little bit late

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But happy birthday to Rachel S., thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Next, Stu from Arkansas, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Next, Alex the Space Ace. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

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And Kirby's Return to Dreamy Creamy Land. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. That one was well done.

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Yeah. That's a good one.

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So before we get into the episode proper, I wanted just to give a little bit of

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apology and clarification, I guess. I used the term Afghani to refer to a person on the last

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episode and that is incorrect. I was unaware of this. I got a tweet about this and I appreciate

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the person correcting me on that. I don't know why. I guess I had no idea. It's Afghan

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is the term for a person. Afghani is a monetary unit.

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It's just completely in my blind spot. I've heard people referred to in that way in contexts and

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places where it didn't seem like it was offensive. Sure. And so I guess I had just assumed.

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Straight up, if you had told me, I would have told you that I swear I heard people say it on TV a few

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days ago. I have no idea. I'm glad that I didn't say it and you did. I appreciate learning more,

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though. Yes, me too.

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So look, I decided that if I was going to do this episode here covering Alex's shows on 9-11,

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it'd be important that it not just be the only way that I experience the tragedy.

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Sure. I was alive when this happened,

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of course, but it's been 21 years and some of the memories have faded. It'd be wildly incomplete

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for me to approach this and just rely on my own memories and Alex's bullshit.

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Yeah, of course. That's not fair.

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Yeah. I can read documents and reports, but those are a little bit sterile and unfeeling.

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And one of the unexpected things about Alex's morning show that we covered on our last episode

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was that he didn't seem to have a human response to the attack.

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Though he said it was the most important day in like a century, the show didn't have a feeling

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that conveyed the gravity of what people were experiencing. He took calls and people were

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crafting conspiracies out of bizarre numerology. He had guests, but they were people who,

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you know, weren't that affected or they were trying to sell gold.

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This all felt like a huge disrespect to the people who were living through hell,

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pushing their experience to the side in order to use it for your own purposes.

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And I wanted to make sure that I held on to a little bit of the severity of the subject

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we're covering. This is a show that's meant to be funny and entertaining,

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so it's easy to put on that facade of not taking things too seriously and being like,

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glib. In order to make sure I held on to some semblance of perspective, as I dealt with Alex,

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I decided that it would be helpful to also watch various news outlets' live coverage

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of the tragedy. So I watched hours and hours of live CBS,

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local Fox affiliate, CNN coverage of the day. And I have a lot of feelings.

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I believe you.

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Yeah. I was telling you that I'm a bit tired.

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Yeah. Because you spent all night watching 9-11.

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Not all night. A lot of that was during the day.

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Sure, sure. But I mean, it is a strange day to be like,

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oh, you know what I think I'll do? I think I'll just do 9-11 again.

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A couple times.

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Are you Zagami? Because you did 9-11.

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Part of it was I wanted to get a sense of the information space that Alex would have been

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living in before he got on air at 9 p.m. I wanted to get a sense of how the media was covering it,

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because so much of Alex's entire point about anything is drawing broad conclusions from

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how he feels the media is doing something. About other people's reporting.

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Right. He takes cues that he sees imagined or not in the media and pretends that they're the

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directives and marching orders of the globalists. And so something that I felt would be kind of

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important was experiencing a bit of that. And luckily you can find pretty much full

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coverage videos on YouTube. It's a pretty well-documented day.

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And I found a YouTube channel that has a lot of very important days,

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like just straight news coverage. Yeah, it's a very good resource.

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That's kind of interesting.

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Yeah, so I watch too much of that.

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Yeah.

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Some of that will inform some of the stuff that we get into today,

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but I'll give you the CliffsNotes version of this. Alex's show is really bad. It's terrible.

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We rightly criticize the media for a lot of sensationalism, and there are tons of other

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problems with the big networks. But for the most part, and I'm not vouching for anything they did

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on September 12th, but they seem to handle a lot of that coverage fairly well.

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Right, right, right.

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I was pretty impressed by the coverage as events were unfolding.

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Yeah.

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There was a respect for what was happening. There was a restraint in leaping to conclusions.

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Like the CBS one was the first one I watched,

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and they took forever to even admit that it wasn't an accident.

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Right.

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You know, they had a real resistance to using terminology around terrorism.

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We don't know who's done this. We don't have a clear picture.

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There's not enough information coming in yet. We know this is a tragedy,

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but we don't know who's, you know, all that stuff.

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Yeah, and another point that I really found, it didn't jibe with how I remembered things

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and how the stories are told about 9-11, was that there really wasn't a hard finger pointed

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at Bin Laden until quite a bit later.

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It was what, months?

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It was in the evening. No, I mean, in the evening there was sort of a consensus coming around that

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like, it's probably him.

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Yeah.

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This is a good suspect.

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Yeah.

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But the story that we tell is that, like, immediately they said it was Osama bin Laden.

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And that isn't the case.

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Oh no.

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There's a Palestinian group that took responsibility for it initially,

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and that was a lot of the conversation of like, is this a credible taking responsibility for this?

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Right.

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And then, you know, bin Laden is brought up as a possible person because...

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He attacked it before.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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It's kind of...

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Past behavior is a predictor of future events.

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It's a bit in the MO.

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Yeah.

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But then also, like, the possibility of state actors.

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Of course.

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You know, there's more of a conversation about possibilities.

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I was kind of surprised to experience that, because I thought I'd go back and be like,

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so much bin Laden talk, like, straight out.

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Yeah.

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And that was not the, what do you find?

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Maybe not super earth-shattering, but a little interesting.

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Right, right, right.

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No, I mean, that's a question that I really hadn't thought of in the past, but I don't...

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Like, from my memory of it, I didn't remember people even throwing around, like,

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here's who did it at all for a while.

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Like, for at least a couple of days or so, for me, it's just people were like,

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whoa, that was fucked up.

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Terror.

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You know, like, that whole thing.

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They didn't actively put a name on it for a while.

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Yeah, and I think that a large amount of the coverage that you find, or that I was watching,

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had to do more with that human end of it than the who did this.

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Although, as the day went on, certainly there was some conversation of who did this,

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and some of the points that some of the people made were...

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Racist.

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I didn't see as much racism as you would have expected.

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Interesting.

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But I did see violence.

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Got a lot of people...

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Calls for blood.

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Blow them up!

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Kill them all!

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Those I do remember happening right away.

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Yeah, there was a former Secretary of State who was on CNN.

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I can't remember who it was.

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It was, like, Eagle Burger, I think.

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And he was like, look, we gotta kill somebody.

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Whether we can prove they were directly connected or not, we gotta go and kill somebody.

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I was like, oh boy.

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That was what's funny about Alex saying we gotta nuke him on that earlier episode,

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is that I do remember being, briefly, a fairly mainstream thought.

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People would, like, bandy about, like, okay, so what do we do?

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Do we nuke him?

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That kind of thing.

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It's a visceral reaction that you have to a tragedy, like a punch that's coming.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And the thing that I found more interesting was that that was part of Alex's response as well.

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Because he likes to pretend that he's above that kind of emotional response.

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He's into peace and he doesn't want to expand wars.

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The idea of nuking some fucking country, you can't possibly be in favor of that,

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even if you prove that they're government at 9-11.

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You're just gonna kill so many civilians.

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What are you doing?

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I mean, essentially you're declaring war on the Earth, not on people, you know?

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Yeah, and so here we are.

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That's where we're at.

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My thoughts.

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And there'll be more along the way, I'm sure.

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But here we start Alex's evening show and he's striking a familiar tone.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're live.

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It is 9-11, 9-1-1, September 11th, 2001.

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An amply numbered date, isn't it?

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Amply.

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We're gonna be live until midnight this evening.

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And then more live shows throughout the early morning hours.

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I have been one of those lone voices out there

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warning you about government-sponsored terrorism.

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So there's again, like in I Told You So, immediately in the show.

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And that's really bizarre.

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Yeah, I was expecting it this time.

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I was ready, I was prepared for it.

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I was like, I know right out the gate.

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He's just gonna be like, look at how right I was.

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It seems like one of the most important things that he wants to stress.

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Yeah.

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And to me, that seems shitty.

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I am a prophet of doom, follow me, for I have predicted what has befallen us.

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Yep, yep.

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So Alex has been watching some of the local and national news and he has some words.

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Interesting.

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I have the latest developments and news and information and an eyewitness joining us live

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from a mile and a half away from the collapsed World Trade Centers and World Trade Center number

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seven, a total of five buildings that have collapsed total,

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burned to the ground, collapsed, rum-shaped charges,

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and even local media reporting were involved.

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When we get back, I'm going to go back to April 24th and the Baltimore Sun,

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new book on NSA shift light on secrets,

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U.S. terror plan called the Cuban invasion pretext.

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They say the casualty list, that's dead people in U.S. newspapers,

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will cause a helpful wave of indignation.

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This is important information, your call's coming up, stay with us.

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So local and national news outlets were definitely not reporting that shape charges

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were used to demolish the building.

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That is just made up.

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Yeah.

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I'm not sure if it's accurate to say that five buildings had fallen,

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partially because I just don't know what the definitions we're using are.

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Right.

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World Trade Center one, two, and seven definitely fully collapsed

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and the falling debris essentially destroyed the smaller buildings,

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three, four, five, and six.

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But also there were many non-World Trade Center complex buildings

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that were destroyed in the attack.

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And it seems difficult to precisely quantify that.

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For instance, the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church

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was destroyed by falling debris.

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I don't know if this is counted in Alex's factoring.

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No.

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It's a particularly, I mean, it's a minor point, I guess,

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but I just don't think that five buildings is an accurate count

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regardless of how you define it.

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Also, it's important to note that Alex seems to also still not know

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the name of Operation Northwoods or want to say it or something.

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Strange.

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There's a consistent non-use of that name,

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whereas now it's a buzzword for it.

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Tossed around all the time.

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Yeah.

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He loves operation names.

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Yeah.

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Not on 9-11.

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Well, I mean, that is the most respectful thing he's done so far.

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Keep Northwoods name out your mouth.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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That's about as good as we're going to get from him, I'm assuming.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I would say so.

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So there's some things that Alex is just wrong about.

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Sure.

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But again, I think that there's a number of things that he's wrong about

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that are totally acceptable and very understandable.

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At least five towers are down.

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Two of them, the fourth largest buildings on the planet.

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Upwards of 20,000 people are dead.

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At least those towers held 50,000 people.

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Thank God.

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A lot of them hadn't gotten to work yet there on the East Coast at

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850 when that first passenger liner smashed into the South Tower.

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His number is higher than a lot of the numbers that were being

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thrown around in other news outlets.

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But I understand that feeling and I understand that sense of, like I

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said, you look at something like that and you can't imagine it not

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killing a million people.

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No, I mean, yeah, it is like, it was a bit like seeing Godzilla knock

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down a tower and then being like, there were only a few thousand dead.

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And you're like, I mean, I know that's a tragedy.

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That's horrific.

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But also, I really thought the entire fucking area was going to be flat ground.

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Right.

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And then you see the videos of people running from the debris cloud.

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And the way that the debris cloud envelops them.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's unthinkable that you wouldn't assume 20,000 people.

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No, totally.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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But he is reporting it as like 20,000 at least.

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Right.

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And that's a little bit strong.

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Yeah.

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But I get it.

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I don't feel like, I wanted to include something like this.

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And I try to, whenever there are things that he's wrong about, but he's right to be wrong.

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Right, right, right.

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We didn't have official numbers.

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He probably shouldn't have thrown around that number that high and definitely shouldn't

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have confirmed at least.

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But if you had asked me, I'd have been like, yeah, sure, 20, 30, 40, that sounds right.

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Right.

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I'm not here to nitpick Alex.

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I'm not here to be like, haha, you got this wrong.

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You got this wrong because I could if I wanted to with that.

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But I would much rather spend my time on stuff like this.

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And then the towers began to collapse.

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I have one of the designers in the Chicago Tribune saying this is impossible.

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We've been trying to get a hold of General Bittenpartn all night, but his phone has been

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busy perpetually.

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We actually had a structural engineer on the show today.

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Hmm, that is not how buildings go down in five seconds.

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So you can see here already that Alex is claiming that he had a structural engineer on his show

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this morning who said it was a demolition when in reality he had a friend of his on

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who had studied some engineering in college but now worked in a financial sector job.

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Yeah.

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The way Alex is seeking to solidify this talking point is for the perception to be that the

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guest he had on was a person who worked professionally as a structural engineer because that perception

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strengthens the illusion of his claims whereas presenting his guest accurately would reveal

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how flimsy his shit is.

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Also this article in the Chicago Tribune, you can find it, it has the headline quote

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engineers shocked by towers collapse and nowhere in the article does this supposed co-designer

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claim that the way that the buildings collapsed was impossible.

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Right.

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That's a claim that Alex is inventing from thin air.

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Just adding.

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The article discusses how Les Robertson, one of the structural engineers of the Trade Center,

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had given a talk in Frankfurt, Germany, a week before the attacks and had brought up

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that the buildings were designed to withstand an impact from a 707 jet.

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This is likely an accurate statement but it's being published in the Tribune not as a direct

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quote, they're actually quoting an engineer named Joseph Burns who was at the conference

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relaying Robertson's words.

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The article literally says quote, Burns said Robertson did not elaborate on the remark.

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The buildings were designed to withstand a crash from smaller planes like a personal

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plane or even up to a 707 but the jets on 9-11 were bigger and modern.

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Yeah.

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I think one of the reasons Alex is doing this is because he's not very creative.

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This game isn't creative.

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We can see in present day every single mass shooting is basically the same thing.

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They want your guns, the guy's on psych meds, he's an incel.

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There's basically just bullet points that he applies to each new shooting regardless

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of the actual details of the real situation.

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This kind of feels similar.

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He did the controlled demolition, secret bombs in the building conspiracy with Oklahoma City

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and now here he has another situation where buildings were destroyed that he needs to

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turn into a conspiracy.

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It only seems natural that he would do the same thing over again.

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It's so much easier for him, particularly because whenever he's making any kind of

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argument he can just say like they did in OKC and the audience is primed to lend whatever

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Alex is saying more credibility.

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Looking at Alex's behavior here on 9-11 I really don't feel like he's doing anything

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different from what he always does.

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He's got a conspiracy archetype that he's working with and he's applying it to the

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current hot topic.

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He has a guest whose expertise is being exaggerated in order to bolster their claims and he's

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got headlines that don't say what he reports they do.

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It's kind of dark but I mean I don't really get the sense that this is much more than

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another day at the office for him.

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It really is.

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It really is.

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I mean I'm assuming that in two or three days his friend is going to be the top structural

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engineer in New York City.

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One of the most prestigious.

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One of the most prestigious.

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He's no longer in the financial sector.

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Actually I know what he...

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I see the trick that he's doing already in this episode and it's not that.

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What he's doing is he's going to try and create a bifurcated identity.

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Oh okay.

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So he'll have his friend who is a financial analyst who was there and was a first-hand

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account and then there's another guest.

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And then his friend will also be a structural engineer but it's not his friend it's his

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other friend.

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Well it's implied that they're two different guests.

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We had a structural engineer and also I had a friend who was a first-hand account.

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Yeah.

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So that's a smooth way to do it and then you never name that structural engineer.

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Right right right.

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And you don't point out that he was actually a financial advisor who may be undergrad.

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Yeah.

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It's like when somebody's an expert on MSNBC and then a few years later they show up on

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Fox Business with a completely different specialty and you're like what are you fucking doing?

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So here we see...

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I mean look this is just...

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I had to sit with this clip and think about this one for a while.

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Yeah it really frustrated me.

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Oh boy.

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And I was actually listening to local KLBJ radio when they had another structural engineer

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on from Texas A&M who did part of the analysis back in 1993 for the first World Trade Center

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mommy saying if this wouldn't happen.

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And then the host Jeff Ward said yeah I was watching local news this morning right when

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it happened and then about 20 minutes later 30 minutes later when the first tower collapsed

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the reporters were panicking saying there's been a giant explosion on the bottom floor

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and the sounds were picked up by the audio tape but the spin machine is in overdrive

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just like in Oklahoma City telling us a truck bomb outside blows out columns further back

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and blast them off cleanly at the bottom making rebar and concrete disappear.

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So you can see from that clip what I mean about the OKC stuff.

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Alex wants to wrap up his talking points and references to OKC so in order to even address

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any of his points it feels like you have to completely re-litigate all of his conspiracies

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about the Murrah building bombing before you do so.

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And I'm here to say that you don't have to do that.

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This is a distraction tactic that Alex is employing and it's totally OK to just ignore

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it for now.

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It's not relevant to the question of whether or not bombs took down the World Trade Center

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to talk about his ideas about Oklahoma City.

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Right.

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So I want to track this story here that Alex is telling and illustrate to you how pathetic

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the level of sourcing he's using is to make this point.

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OK.

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Alex was listening to a local show on KLBJ where the host said that he had watched an

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unspecified local news show where they were saying that there was a giant explosion at

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the bottom of the floor of the World Trade Center that was caught on the audio tape and

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now they're scrambling because there's a cover up because it got caught to the sound.

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Oh no.

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Right.

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This is useless.

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Even if you wanted to check on this claim what would you do?

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So we know that Jeff Ward is the KLBJ host in question but what local TV station was

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he watching?

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Wouldn't pretty much every local news station be running national coverage since so many

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of them are NBC or ABC or Fox or CBS affiliates?

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Like I watched a fair amount of the news coverage from that day and this doesn't ring

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true to me at all.

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But because of the vagueness of this claim no matter what I say Alex could just retreat

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to the claim that I just didn't watch the right videos.

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It must have been on another channel.

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I can definitely say that reporters were freaked out when the buildings collapsed.

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That was because two giant skyscrapers were falling and dust clouds were racing down the

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streets towards them and everyone was essentially running for their lives having difficulty

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breathing in thick air.

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Here actually is Alex's nemesis, one of his many nemeses, Mika Brzezinski who was

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reporting live from New York and she had actually taken up shelter in a school running from

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the buildings falling.

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Mika Brzezinski is downtown.

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Mika?

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Hi, Mika Brzezinski here reporting from PS 89.

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It's near the scene of the now collapse of what we believe to be the tower number one

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of the World Trade Center.

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I was standing with CBS News correspondent Byron Pitts.

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We were coordinating our crews in a crowd of people near the corner of Murray Avenue

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and the West Side Highway when the collapse occurred and literally plumes of smoke and

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gases as the collapse happened, I'm sure you're seeing in the video, began to roll

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our way and that is when the crowd went wild.

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People just began to run.

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Our live trucks shut down, crews were running, reporters were running, people were running

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and the cops literally were just waving their arms saying go, go, go.

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We are inside the school right now, actually inside a small room trying to stay clear of

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the crowds that are trying to get out of the way and also the evacuation of this school.

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School officials here are trying to get everybody out of the building in an orderly fashion

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as quickly as possible, but again there is so much confusion out on the street.

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It is literally chaos out there.

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We've got a short timeline here.

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The school right now is now putting on the intercom where kids need to go to assemble

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classes near Chambers Street.

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They're trying to organize the classes and get these kids out of here as safely as possible.

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Right now we're dealing with the air because of the plumes of smoke and gases.

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Byron pointed out to me we needed to move quickly because the smoke that was rolling

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our way and the debris as well was very thick and it could be very dangerous.

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It was already a chaotic situation before the collapse happened and this is just piling

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more danger and damage on top of what was already a very chaotic situation.

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I'm not sure any of the reporters were too concerned with the bullshit games Alex plays

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considering many of them were huddling in a classroom where kids were trying to figure

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out how to reunite with their families and everyone was worried about poison air.

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I don't feel like this is Alex being at all fair about...

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Now I'm going to go ahead and say that yeah, this one's pretty bad.

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The previous clip, 20,000, doesn't look so bad in comparison to this clip.

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It makes things look real fucked up.

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So the part about the engineer from Texas A&M presents the same problem as Alex's other

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sourcing issues.

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The details provided cannot possibly be sufficient to trace down this claim.

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I went to the Texas A&M Structural Engineering Department website and they have 15 faculty

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members listed, but you can see how we're no closer to knowing anything.

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I could go through all of these professors' resumes and find nothing and well, what if

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the person Alex was talking about is retired or died?

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Hey, guess what?

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There are multiple reports and official reports that have been made about the 1993 World Trade

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Center bombing.

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I can go and find them and I have found many of them.

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They don't have a professor from Texas A&M in it.

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I just didn't find the right report.

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Yeah, you really dropped the ball on this one, Dan.

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There are a lot of built-in loopholes to the details that Alex rattles off to make them

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more protected from debunking.

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He attempts to make people prove a negative, like that no Texas A&M professor said this

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or that the local news clip he claims he heard a local radio host talk about doesn't exist.

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And he does that because he couldn't do anything else.

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He has to force you to do something impossible to prove him wrong because if you were forced

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to establish and defend his own claims, he will fail every time.

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Oh, of course.

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And if you get him to stay on that, he'll be like, ah, but what about the Oklahoma City

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bombing?

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And that will try and get you to start arguing about the OKC bombing, so then you're already

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forgetting what you were supposed to be arguing about, which was 9-11 in the first place.

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Yeah, it's once you're not allowed to, he just will distract.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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He's strangling keys, throwing balls everywhere, just like anything shiny to get you away from

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the point.

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Yeah, I think this is a good example of that.

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You're watching MASH mine control unfold.

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Whether the government was involved in it or the European Union as they roll out the

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euro that's partially goldback already trading above the dollar.

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Still going with that.

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All right.

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Or if this was actually Osama bin Laden, I want to know why our government funded him

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throughout the 80s and early 90s, why his family still builds our military bases in

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Saudi Arabia and around the Middle East, why their family sits on the board of directors

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of Iridium satellite.

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I want to know why we didn't take Saddam out in 1991, 50 miles from downtown Baghdad.

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What?

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We've reached the phase of Alex's reporting where he asks a bunch of distracting questions

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that he knows the answer to.

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Yep.

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CIA funded bin Laden because he was fighting the communist enemy that you wanted people

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to fight.

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The bin Laden family get a lot of construction contracts because they're not terrorists and

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they run a really big construction enterprise.

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Terrorism is not like, ah, it runs in the family.

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It is not a family owned business.

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Same thing with the Iridium satellite thing.

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It's just people who are doing business who happen to be related to a terrorist and aren't

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terrorists themselves.

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In order to claim that this is nefarious or any of this stuff is nefarious, you need to

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provide some information other than say like, Oh look, they're cousins.

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I mean, you might as well just be like, I want to know why they let Osama bin Laden

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into college.

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I need to know why that man was allowed to go to college.

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He was, he's a terrorist.

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He became a terrorist later on.

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Why didn't they let him, you know, like it does, this is post you can't, you can't undo.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Also, uh, as for why they didn't kill Saddam, you got me, I don't really have, I don't know

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why.

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Who knows?

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Maybe why there's probably a strategic reason of some sort, maybe, I don't know.

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Sometimes it's like who they decide to take a shot at and who they don't is, is not as,

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it doesn't make any sense, you know, like, ah, we're going to try and kill it.

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We're going to try and kill this, this leader, but this guy, nah, nah, we're not going to

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do that.

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No, I'm, I'm not sure what calculus went into that.

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Yeah, sure.

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So I guess if we want to get distracted with that, this is a good way for Alex to not talk

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about 9-11 on 9-11.

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I want to, I do want to know the math on the CIA's who do we kill list.

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So I keep coming back to this because it seems bizarre to me.

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Alex seems to have no idea about anything about Operation Northwoods except for a blurb

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from this Baltimore Sun article that is about James Bamford, who wrote this book that includes

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mentions of Operation Northwoods and it's wild.

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This is from the Baltimore Sun posted since April on info wars.com.

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We have interviewed James Bamford, former 2020 executive best-selling author on the

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Puzzle Palace on the NSA.

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And of course this new best-selling book still on the New York Times bestseller list since

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April, Body of Secrets, a 900-page book that I've already read half of, U.S. military leaders

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proposed in 1962 a secret plan to commit Paris tactics to Americans and blame Cuba to create

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a pretext for invasion in the ouster of communist leader Fidel Castro, according to a new book

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about the National Security Agency.

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Now, do I support that filth bag, that communist murder Fidel?

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No, but I don't support becoming Fidel to fight Fidel.

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And the main headline is, new book on NSA sheds lights on secret U.S. terror plan called

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Human Invasion Pretext.

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Now, this is from the NSA documents confirmed by the New York Times.

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He seems to think the name is Cuban Invasion Pretext.

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It does seem that that's what he said called a-

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I think he's misreading this, what appears to be a book review, maybe, that was in the

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Baltimore Sun.

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Right, of a book that he totally read half of already, already, promise you.

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He doesn't have really any handle on much of the details outside of what would be in

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that book review.

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Yeah, that does seem suspicious, doesn't it?

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It does, especially considering that, you know, you're supposed to be this person who

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would consider a document like that one of the most important things-

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Absolutely.

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To furthering your cause of spreading the truth.

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Totally.

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You should probably know that thing inside and outside, backwards, forwards.

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I don't get the sense that he does.

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I'm pretty sure he has no idea what the name is, because earlier it's like maybe he forgot

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or he couldn't pull it right away.

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This is hours later.

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You should, I mean, you could have even looked at, you could have read the article in the

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between type.

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Sure, organize your notes.

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Yes.

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Yeah, he doesn't.

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Nope.

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But he does hit the surface level of Northwoods really hard.

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Okay.

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And let me read that quote to you again.

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Casualty list, that means list of dead people.

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In the US, newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation.

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And then they admit that we could sink a passenger ship, we could blow up airliners, we could

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attack Guantanamo Bay and the Marines there using army dressed up as Cubans.

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I mean they're here in this article, quotes from the documents confirmed, wanting to blow

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up airliners.

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Now it was signed onto, the Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted to do it, the Secretary of Defense

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wanted to do it, and Kennedy, despite all his evils, God bless his soul, became a leader

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there at the end and said, no way, in fact I'm abolishing the CIA, and I'm pulling this

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out of non.

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Don't remember him doing that.

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You people are nuts.

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Yeah, that's a fun story.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean we've talked about Operation Northwoods a bit in the past, and you know,

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it's not what Alex is describing.

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Yeah.

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It would be fake stuff, not an actual attack or people dying.

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The list of casualties would be fake, it would be real people.

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Yeah, they would be pretend.

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They would be pretend people, not actual dead.

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Yeah, Diane really did a lot for Kennedy.

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I think if he had lived, he would be remembered as a real shit president, but Diane really

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gave him a lot of good buzz.

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Basically it leads people to come up with reasons for his death, and a lot of them end

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up-

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Where he's the hero.

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Right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, because the assassination of a president obviously would have to be pinned on the bad

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guy.

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Right.

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So he must be the good guy if someone killed him.

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What if the assassin was the good guy and he saved the world?

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We never even address that possibility.

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Get me Dr. Strange.

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That's what I'm asking for.

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So this show, my man-

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Yeah.

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It's not a game.

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Uh-oh.

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This is real.

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Is it?

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No.

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Oh.

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And I warned you on the air, this show is not a game.

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This is not entertainment, this is information.

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And I warned you over and over and over again to call Washington and to write letters and

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tell him, we know you're behind the terrorism.

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Are you blaming us for 9-11?

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I do have to tell you, I walked into a grocery store today.

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This morning, or after it happened, down here from my house to get something.

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Everybody announced, Alex, we know you're right, the government blew it.

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I said, I don't know if that's the case, it may be the EU doing it.

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I want to announce this could be the EU.

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Fucking hate you.

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There are fissures and divides in this global power structure.

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Wow.

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What a time at that grocery store.

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Everyone's like, Alex, you are so right.

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Alex, you're a hero of 9-11.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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You knew it.

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It was the government.

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What?

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What?

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The government is going to infect you.

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What?

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Might be the EU.

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That might be too crazy, even for fucking us, you nutbag.

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Alex, that doesn't make sense.

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What?

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Oh my God.

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Alex, this is too hard of a swing for 2001.

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It's too hard of a swing.

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You're not popular enough for this yet.

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Not yet, not yet.

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The fucking abuse of saying, if you had called your senators more, 9-11 wouldn't have had

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happened.

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There is a little bit of an undertone of that.

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There is an undertone of that.

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Yeah.

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If everybody had listened to me harder, this wouldn't have happened.

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I think that's one reading of that.

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There's another reading that kind of goes like, we tried our best.

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You know?

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I can see that.

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No matter how many people called, you can have a clear conscience because you did what

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you could.

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I can see that.

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That's possible, but being generous.

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I'm going to lean more towards the ungenerous interpretation.

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I'm being hyper generous because what's about to happen is unthinkably awful.

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You have to... The pendulum has to swing so far to the generous in order to understand

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how bad this is.

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Yeah.

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Gotcha.

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And whatever ill feelings you might have about him for blaming his audience for not calling

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senators.

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Put those in the side.

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They are a pittance compared to what's about to happen.

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So Alex has caught wind of the fact that the people on board had box cutters.

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The hijackers.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And so Alex's solution is the same solution that he has for everything.

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Arm somebody.

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You know, they could solve this whole hijacking thing.

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Arm the pilots with those exploding air marshal bullets that any of us can buy that'll go

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through about an inch of something, but nothing more.

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And put an armored bulkhead door on those aircraft.

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And I'm hearing these guys supposedly hijack these planes with paper, with box cutters.

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You pull a box cutter on me, and folks, I grew up in Dallas, Texas, I've had people

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pull knives on me, I've taken them away and broken their arm.

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Don't brag about how I'm Mr. Tough Guy, but Dallas was rough growing up.

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Dallas is pretty rough.

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So obviously this machismo, this I would fuck this guy up, that's to be expected for Alex.

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He has a real macho problem.

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But where this takes him, I think is unforgivable.

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The angle that he's taking with this in this next clip, I was, I was, I was disgusted to

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hear this.

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I let somebody point a gun at me.

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I just walked over and grabbed it.

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Maybe I'm stupid, but we've seen this in schools and people pull guns, teachers tackle them.

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You got pilots and a plane full of people.

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They supposedly had box cutters.

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How do we know this?

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One of the former Clinton administration people was on board.

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Solicitor General's wife was on board that aircraft and called from one of the phones

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a cell phone.

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And if you believe that no one on a plane was man enough, that those pilots would give

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control over to a plane because somebody had a box cutter, or you believe that they would

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fly it in at 500 miles an hour, that thing was moving both those planes into that building.

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I got a bridge I want to sell you.

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So the story we're getting there is bunk.

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I can't believe that you had hundreds of sheep on those planes.

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You pull a box cutter on me, you can't kill me with it.

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Go ahead and cut me.

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I'm coming in.

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Maybe a double edged stiletto style dagger might be more deadly.

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The person was good with a knife, but still I'm coming at you.

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And any man would do that.

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Any woman would do that.

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So there's a lot of uncertainty in terms of the details of exactly how these hijackings

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went.

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So I'm not going to dip too far into that pool, but there's something I think it's important

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to point out.

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On the evening of 9-11, Alex is getting on his nationally syndicated radio show and arguing

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that the people who died on those hijack planes were cowards, and not big strong boys like

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him.

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That's completely disgusting.

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Years, years, years after this, after 9-11, more than a decade, Mark Wahlberg would say

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the same thing, and still people would be like, that's fucking awful, you monster.

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And he didn't even say it as bad as Alex did on the day.

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I'm not really caught up on all of Mark Wahlberg's comments, but my understanding is just that

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it wouldn't have happened if he was there.

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And I don't know why, but somehow that's kind of okay, because that's not impugning the

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people who are on board as much as it is elevating yourself.

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Right, right, right.

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Which people were rightly criticizing him for.

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Alex is doing both.

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Alex is elevating himself and calling everybody else cowards.

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Right.

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They're not man or woman enough to do what is human nature.

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Right, right.

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On the day.

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On the day of their...

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I find this gross.

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I don't know how to live life with these people alive.

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I've never been in a hijacking situation, but I think I can imagine some scenarios where

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you wouldn't think it was a good idea to attack the terrorists who have taken over the plane.

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For one thing, it's unlikely that you'd think that they were going to crash the plane into

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a building.

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A lot of hijackings are done to hold hostages for financial gains or to spread political

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messages, and I can see thinking that you might survive the ordeal, like they might

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just land in Cuba or something.

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If you have a knowledge of plane history over time, you're like, oh shit, there were actually

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a lot of hijackings for a while, and most everybody lived!

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That ended without casualties.

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No casualties at all, yeah.

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If it's a heist type of hijacking, then you stand to make the situation worse by trying

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to fight back, since you could be increasing the chance that the plane crashes.

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And you or someone else is killed.

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Right.

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In hindsight, it's easy to see how the people on those planes were essentially doomed, but

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it seems so unfair and disrespectful to take this kind of tone, particularly less than

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24 hours after the attacks.

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Alex is so gross.

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It's that impulse, though, that they all have, the people who are like, oh, this tragedy

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happens, give somebody a gun there.

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Give a teacher a gun in school, like all of those things.

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It's because what they're really doing is expressing their fantasy of, give me a gun,

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let me go back in time in that situation so I can personally be a hero, because I know

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everything that would have happened so I can be the winner there.

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There is a bit of that.

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There's absolute, it is self-aggrandizement.

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If you are saying, give teachers a gun to protect students, you are saying, I could

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protect everybody if I had a gun.

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That's what you're really saying.

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And that's what he's saying right there.

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I can, I can fight off a hijacker.

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I can fight off a terrorist.

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I can do it all.

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Just put me in there.

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I find it less abhorrent to say I could do these things.

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It's maybe, it's maybe an expression of narcissism.

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It's maybe wrong.

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It's definitely not the time for it.

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Sure.

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It's 11?

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No.

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But there is something different about it being presented as, I don't believe this story

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because any human who isn't a complete pile of shit coward would have taken over the plane

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from the hijackers.

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I find that to be like, it's a bridge too far, man.

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I'm going to play Daria here for you.

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Maybe he was just thinking, that's a hopeful thought.

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Yeah.

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Let's get him, let's get him under oath.

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Let's see what he says.

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So Alex takes some calls and one guy calls in and Alex wants his take, but unfortunately

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he does not give the right take.

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And so Alex has to sort of try and juice his take a little bit to finesse him into the

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right place.

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Gotcha.

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Jim in Virginia.

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What do you think happened here today?

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Oh, in what respect?

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Well your gut level from all the evidence we brought here out on the air before this

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happened, predicting it and all the evidence we've been collating, who do you think's behind

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this?

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Oh, well, it could be Hussein, but the people that probably had most of the money and could

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have pulled it off would be probably Iran.

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Yeah, but who stands to gain from this?

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That is something we're asking ourselves here and we really haven't come up with any.

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Okay, I'll tell you who stands to gain from it.

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Well, the new world.

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Look.

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In Washington, the markets were already imploding on Friday and Monday.

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They were already talking about suspending trading, but even more than Washington, there

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is a Fisher in the new world order reported by our scholars.

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A Fisher?

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Dr. Coleman, Dr. Kaufman, Dr. Monteith, General Parson.

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We're talking about the EU and what are they doing right now?

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Rolling out the EU currency, delivering it to stores and banks.

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Yeah, man.

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He is really pushing the EU to 9-11 on 9-11.

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And he's pretending that he's getting this analysis from all these people.

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I mean...

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He is not getting it.

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I know for one, he said multiple times on the show he can't get ahold of Ben Pardon.

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He can't get ahold of him.

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He's perpetually busy.

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Yeah, his phone's been busy all day.

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So now he's telling us that this guy has given him information that there's a Fisher in the

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globalist camp and that has led to the EU flying planes into the World Trade Center.

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I would say, first of all, fuck you.

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Did they try a letter first?

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Second, why should I have any faith that your dumb, dumb friends have any idea if the globalists

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are getting along?

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I mean...

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Because they...

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Do they get Us Weekly or Globalist Us?

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There's a Maxim magazine, but just for globalists.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah, I think this is dumb.

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But it is really funny to see Alex be like, oh, that answer's not good.

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10 sex tips for the globalist in your life.

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Gotta try and get this guy to say EU.

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So yeah, man, he's really into the EU.

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Yeah.

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So we're watching the destruction, ladies and gentlemen.

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I don't know who did it.

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Was it bin Laden acting alone?

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20% chance.

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Was it this government?

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30% chance.

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Didn't you say it was in 98- Was it the EU and their operatives and tired

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psychopaths or blind control subjects?

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50% chance.

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Now that's my analysis, and frankly, I've never been wrong.

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I wish I was wrong every day.

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Congratulations.

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Your wish has been granted.

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Yeah, you are wrong every day.

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You are so wrong.

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Every single day.

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You have...

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You do not...

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50% chance is the EU.

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I do not need a genie to grant that wish.

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Earlier in the day, 98% chance it was our government, the globalists in our government.

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Right.

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So Alex, earlier in the day, had Jim Wright, his buddy, who was in a tower nearby and had

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witnessed the attack, who may have studied engineering in college.

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Maybe.

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He had him on, and it blossomed into a, oh, hey, this is probably a controlled demolition

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thing.

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Of course.

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And so, just for good measure, Alex has him back on.

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So the EU did the controlled demolition?

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Yep.

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Okay.

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You bet.

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So...

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Yep.

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So the EU had people going into the buildings?

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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All right, all right, all right.

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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I don't know why you're confused.

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Okay.

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So Jim is back, and Alex has new bomb evidence for him to sign off on.

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Okay.

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Now, Jimmy, you have a degree in engineering, and without me even prompting you, your wife

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called me here at home, and we have the interview of that posted on the website right now, and

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said, you know, Alex, Jimmy was there, and then she gave us your cell phone number.

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We got in touch with you as you were literally walking amongst the charred bodies that were

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piling up.

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You on your own accord said that it was the most beautifully done demolition job you've

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ever seen.

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Now I'm hearing it on local and national radio, and we've heard reports that this morning

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there was a reporter out front, as one building was smoking and the other one was smoking,

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that as the first one collapsed, there was an explosion, a huge explosion at the bottom,

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and the reporter jumped for cover.

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The structural engineer who designed the building is in the Chicago Tribune, just out on Infowars.com,

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and the viewers, the listeners would like to see that, saying there's no way this could

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happen.

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He designed it to take the 777 hit.

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I mean, that plane wasn't out at the time, but it would take, you know, bigger than any

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plane that's been designed at this time.

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You know, it might even chop the top of the building off, but those things are very strong

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buildings.

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I mean, you see a perfect falling as the top is disturbed, some sloughing off.

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What were your comments there as a degreed person in structural engineering?

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Well, both myself and actually one of my colleagues, who's also in construction engineering, we

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watched it, and both of our comments was that the building fell so perfectly and vertically,

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there was no leaning, it just came straight down, which is a very hard thing to accomplish

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with a structural steel building, because the steel tends to bend.

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So we listened to the morning show, and at no point during those interviews was Jim walking

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through burning corpses that were piling up.

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That's a disgusting, grotesque, and exploitative image that Alex is painting, and he should

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be ashamed that that was his instinct, to do something like that.

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But in this clip, you can see the larger game that Alex is playing.

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He's got his structural engineering expert back on, so he can lay out this new bombing

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evidence for him, and hopefully get a more full throated endorsement of the conspiracy

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ideas that Alex is pushing.

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You can tell so clearly how Alex is listing this stuff off for Jim, as if to explain for

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him what he wants Jim to say in response.

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Alex is essentially trying to exploit his family friend here, and he's doing it using

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intentional misrepresentations of sources, and meaningless references to things he claims

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to have heard a local radio guy say about a local news piece that he allegedly saw.

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Yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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Yeah, I mean, this is, the way he's talking to him is like, this is the type of coaching

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you do off air, so on air it sounds natural when they actually say the shit that you want

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them to.

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Or it's like in an interrogation room.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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If I was in the room with him, I'd be like, objection, leading the witness, your honor.

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This is very obvious.

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Yeah.

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Jim should be saying, do I need a lawyer?

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Do I need a lawyer?

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No, you're not under arrest.

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You're good.

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You're good.

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So, I mentioned that there was a little bit of a repeated thing about the idea that bodies

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were burning and flaming, and people were jumping on fire and stuff in the morning show,

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and he's still on that tip, and I think that there's something admirable knowing nothing

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else about Jim Wright, and that he does try and moderate this a little bit.

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Jimmy, the bodies, the burning bodies, the people coming out of the buildings, what did

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you see?

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Well, we, it was a little bit of an exaggeration to say I walked among them, I went out the

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opposite side of our building, but we did see building bodies.

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He is at least trying to not play along with the parts of Alex's shit that is clearly exploitative.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And this kind of feeling of like, well, maybe this guy isn't so bad, a part of it comes

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from this clip.

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Anything else you'd like to add, Jim Wright?

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Oh, just praying hope for the people that are in that building still, trying to save

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people or the people that are trapped.

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Nothing could be more frightening.

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Alright, Jimmy Wright, I really appreciate you joining us.

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So yeah, that's the first time that that kind of concern has been voiced.

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Yep, and Alex's response to it was, okay, fine, moving on, dish squad, way to give me

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nothing.

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Well, but like, look at the, look at what's being said.

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Jim is pointing out that some people are still trapped.

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That's an awareness that Alex's listeners wouldn't have.

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Yep.

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Up till this point.

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He's not reported on anything like that, on the circumstances on the ground, the human

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tragedy that's happening, and it's because it's not important to him.

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No, and it's not his movie.

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It's not his movie of the person walking through dead bodies and the flames and the wreckage

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and there are no survivors, because if there are no survivors, you don't have to worry

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about helping people.

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Right, you just have to worry about Klaus Schwab, who Alex won't know about for another

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20 years.

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You got it.

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Yep.

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But is the big bad guy in the world.

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If you worry about survivors, you have to start saving and helping people, and...

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Well, or at least you have to explain why you're not concerned.

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Yeah, or why you don't give a fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex takes some more calls and he gets a guy who brings up an idea that Alex will

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take to quite a bit in the future, and that is...

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The super EU.

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No.

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The planes were remote-controlled.

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Ah, yes.

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I'll tell you what, this whole thing looked too complicated, and I'm just wondering what

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the chances are that, you know, the technology exists, those aircraft operate totally on

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electronics if the aircraft weren't fixed.

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I wonder if we will ever find that out.

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Well, you know, it's funny you bring that up, Jim, or John.

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That's okay.

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Did you see on my website the Fox television piece about the second episode of The Lone

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Gunman this year?

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You know, the X-File type show?

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I'll miss that, Alex, I'm sorry.

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A secret government agency takes control of an airplane by computer and tries to crash

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it into the World Trade Center.

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Because just like Governor Keating's brother, while writing that book Final Jihad, three

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years before the Oklahoma City bombing, where he mentions Mr. McVeigh and the Alford Peay

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Federal Building, they like to brag, don't they?

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Yes, the technology's there, the satellites are in place.

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So look, The Lone Gunman episode doesn't prove shit, but it's the kind of evidence that Alex

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really loves.

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Oh, it's the best.

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Because it blows people's minds.

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What?

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Right.

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And that book by Keating, he could have easily put in the McVeigh and those details after

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the fact.

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Yeah, 100%.

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It was not published three years prior.

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No, it's-

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That's all Oklahoma City conspiracy lore nonsense.

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It's very important to pretend it is.

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It's a load of shit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex has got basically nothing, but it's exciting that nothing.

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Yeah.

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These are exciting pieces of nothing.

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It is a little bit of proving 9-11 was fake by pointing to a Mandela effect of the Berenstain

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Bears, you know?

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And you're like, see?

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I gotta be honest, I'm convinced.

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Yeah, I mean, well, if it's spelled differently, then I guess you're right.

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Yep.

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This text clip blew my mind.

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Okay.

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I could not have been prepared for this.

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Okay.

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I told you we'd have wide open phones, and we do have wide open phones.

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We're about to go back to John in Kingsville, Clayton in Missouri, Cindy in West Virginia,

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Mary in Oklahoma, Daryl in Texas, and others.

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But coming up in about 5-10 minutes, we have an unexpected guest that's going to be joining

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us.

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We already had an eyewitness on who was in the World Financial Center right next door

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to the World Trade Center towers.

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This unexpected guest is my friend, Joe Rogan.

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What?

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Joe Rogan.

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Don't.

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No.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Dan, Dan, Dan, do not tell me that

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Joe Rogan was on Alex Jones' show on the night of 9-11.

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Dan, there are four guys, okay?

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We need more guys.

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We need more.

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We need enough people because they keep fucking showing up everywhere.

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It's so bizarre to me, though, you know, you have Rogan showing up, but I guess it's kind

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of different because Richard Belzer was on the day of the Boston bombing, but that was

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just a coincidence.

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He was there, and then he decided to stick around because there was a bombing happening.

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Yeah, and he was having fun.

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Here's the bells.

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Whereas this is Rogan coming on because there was a bombing, and he wants to talk about

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it.

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Why isn't this known?

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Why isn't this known?

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Why isn't he talking about it?

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I feel like...

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Whenever he talks about his friendship with Alex Jones, he's like, at the night of 9-11,

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he's on his show.

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I feel like that's a notable moment.

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That is a remarkable thing that I would tell people.

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You always remember where you were on the evening of 9-11.

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I was on Infowars.

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How do you not say that?

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That's weird.

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That is...

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Why is this...

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I wasn't ready for that.

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He's not on...

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He can't be on.

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Yeah.

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I was expecting literally any...

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I was ready for Nugent.

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I was ready for anybody, but I can't believe that on 9-11, Joe fucking Rogan, the fucking

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news radio Rogan.

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No, this is a few years after that it ought to be canceled.

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This is Fear Factor Rogan.

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This is Fear Factor Rogan.

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You're right.

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You're right.

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Yeah.

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This is yelling at people.

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Rogan.

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I don't know the...

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I don't know.

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No.

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You made this up.

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I refuse.

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I believe you have gone back in time and forced these two men together to justify our life.

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I would not do that.

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Please don't.

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So Alex has basically convinced himself of his own conspiracies.

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Sure.

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And before I let you go, Alex, I wanted to say to the listeners, get on the phones.

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First thing I did today was I called Senator Utterson and Senator Graham and voiced my

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concerns about what happened today.

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They need to hear from us right now more than ever.

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And are you letting them know that you smell a rat?

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Yes, sir.

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I sure did.

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I thought about the buildings imploding also.

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Obviously imploding.

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Well, you just heard a structural engineer and the designers in the Chicago Tribune saying

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that couldn't happen.

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It sure did.

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Yeah, because of shape charges at the columns at the base.

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So none of that's real.

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I mean, he had a friend of his who knows a little bit about engineering.

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At best, an amateur engineer.

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Which is not a thing.

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Sure.

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I guess he's a model train guy.

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Maybe.

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Ah, he could be.

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I don't know what Jim's got going on in his basement.

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Probably a building.

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Maybe.

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So yeah, you got that.

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Congratulations.

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That's not much to go on.

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Not a lot.

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And then you have a lie about a Chicago Tribune article.

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You got a big lie, yeah.

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Great.

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Well, it's confirmed.

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Yes.

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That's our thing.

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There's nothing here.

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No.

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There's literally nothing.

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Yeah.

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But it's loud nothing.

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True.

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Yeah.

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And it's interesting nothing, like the lone gunman.

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It's fun.

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The thought, the impulse that a human being would have to think after hours after two

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planes took down the World Trade Center.

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And you think 20,000 plus people are dead.

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You call Lindsey Graham to tell him that there were charges on the bottom of the building.

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Because I misread or I didn't read a Chicago Tribune article that Alex is lying to me about.

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Right.

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And then Alex says, they need that now more than ever.

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Yes.

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Right now.

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That is the first thing that our Congress people...

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If not now, when?

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Exactly.

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They'll never do anything about it if it weren't for this guy.

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So Alex is just misusing sources and shit, but it's also intentional.

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It's very clearly intentional.

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Two large passenger planes, medium sized, slammed into both the south and north tower

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of the World Trade Center today.

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We had a structural engineer on.

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The designer of the towers is saying in the Chicago Tribune that that is impossible.

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What happened, only shaped charges at the bottom could cause that.

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That's what he's saying?

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Kevin Boots, brother-in-law, who I know very well, who is an investment guy that works

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in the financial towers, said that explosions obviously did go off.

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He was an eyewitness to several hundred yards away from it.

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The buildings came down.

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We had the Pentagon being attacked.

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You simply would not act like this if you were a sincere person acting with honest motives.

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If your goal was to deliver the facts, or even the facts as you see them, you would

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not mess around and fake your sources like this.

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This isn't sloppiness.

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This can only really be the product of intentional deception.

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There are two giant manipulations that Alex is trying to pull off in that clip.

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The first is the way he discusses the Chicago Tribune article.

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The engineers who designed the World Trade Center didn't say that this was impossible,

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but now Alex is saying that and adding in language that makes it sound like this source

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included them saying that only shaped charges could do this.

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He includes that as an extension of his sentence where he's relaying the alleged comments from

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this engineer, so anyone listening would obviously think this was Alex continuing to convey what

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was in this Tribune article, when in reality it's just Alex making shit up.

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Yeah, if you read it, then there would be quotation marks around a certain spot, and

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then it would be a comma, and then his editorializing would continue, but if you're listening to

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it, you don't know where those scare quotes are, and there you go.

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This isn't something he's doing on accident.

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It's to make his shit talk appear like it's reporting that's based on something.

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The second thing that Alex is doing is the way he's characterizing his interview with

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Jim Wright.

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You can see in that 40-second clip, he mentions talking to Jim twice, but he's trying to make

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it seem like these mentions are about two different people that he's interviewed.

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One mention is of a family friend who was a first-hand witness to the attack, and the

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other is a structural engineer.

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If you were just trying to recap for anyone tuning in, you wouldn't present things this

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way.

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He mentions a structural engineer that he had on, then lies about the Tribune article,

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then talks about his friend who's an investment banker and first-hand witness.

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The two characterizations of Jim's interview are separated because Alex is hoping to disconnect

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these ideas in his listener's mind in order to make the narrative stick easier.

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The first-hand witness, Jim Wright, who's an investment banker and friend of Alex's,

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should be something interesting that happened on the show, but ultimately it should be forgotten.

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All Alex wants the audience to remember is that there was a seemingly very knowledgeable

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structural engineer whose name doesn't really matter who was on Alex's show on the day of

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9-11 who said that the building had to have had explosions in it, there's no way it would

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fall like that.

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Yeah.

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Alex does this kind of shit all the time.

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In his deposition for the Texas Sandy Hook case, there was a particularly good illustration

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of this same behavior.

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Mr. Jones, before we break, I asked you about your statement about what state police officers

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were threatened, and you told me Mr. Halbig and maybe somebody else.

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Correct?

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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Then you said that school investigation experts were threatened.

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Who was that?

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It wasn't just Halbig, I remember there were some other groups and people asking questions

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and some other professors other than Fetzer's, I wasn't really going off what Fetzer said.

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Okay.

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And then you said that in addition to those two groups, that some school safety experts

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had been threatened.

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Who was that?

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They were talking about Halbig.

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Right.

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These were talking about Halbig, right?

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No.

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Okay.

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This is one of Alex's very common tactics, where he'll take one piece of information,

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obscure it, and then multiply it into a bunch of different places and pieces of information

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in order to create the appearance that he has so much more evidence than he actually

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does.

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In that clip from his deposition, he knew that if he just said that Wolfgang Halbig

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had been threatened, it would seem like a very specific incident that relates to one

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person who was also harassing victims' family members.

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But through Alex's rhetorical magic, you now have the specter of state police, school investigation

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experts, and school safety experts that had been threatened, and this creates the appearance

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of a giant coordinated effort to intimidate the people who would be in a position to challenge

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the official narrative of what happened at Sandy Hook.

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This is an effective tool to use because if you aren't paying close attention or if you

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haven't listened to the episode where various things are alleged to have happened, you may

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just passively accept that Alex has a ton of details that he's working off of when that's

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definitely not the case.

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You assume that he has this structural engineer professional and a friend who's a first-hand

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witness.

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He's the same person and he's not a structural engineer.

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It helps that you're listening to it on the radio, otherwise you would have to, like if

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you were seeing this in real life, his friend would be wearing a nice suit, investment banker-y,

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and then he's like, ah, the structural engineer, and his friend would go behind the curtain,

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put a little cap on and a mustache, and be like, ah, I'm the structural engineer friend.

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Yeah, on the radio you get away with that a lot easier.

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Right, right, and so like in the same way that Alex wants this to appear, like there's

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a number of things, not just Wolfgang Halbig whining, he wants that appearance because

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the actual reality sucks and it doesn't work for him.

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The actual reality of his interview with Jim Wright also doesn't work, and so he has to

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obscure it and create multiple tendrils that he can use for different things out of it,

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and that's something that he does a bit, and that's one of the things that's actually really

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difficult to trace down.

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It's one of the tactics that he uses that it requires having listened to a ton of his

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shit in order to be like, that's where this is coming from, and we're kind of fortunate

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that this is kind of self-contained to some extent, you know, like he's referencing this

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thing that happened earlier in the day and we listened to that episode, and so that helps

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make that track down easier, but he does this a lot with things that are like, I'll never

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be able to know what the fuck he's talking about here.

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Yeah, no, this is one of the things that I think is probably the most common and maybe

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useful tool of media literacy at all is just understanding what people are saying when

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they say experts, you know, like you read any number of different things about any number

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of different things, and they're quoting experts, and the people who they're quoting, don't

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trust quote experts, ever, on anything.

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Well, conditionally trust.

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Conditionally trust, though, but not whenever Alex is saying it.

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So experts in fix-em-ups at a news radio station, tech guy.

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They did do the space episode one time, well, he did destroy everybody.

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Joe Gorelli.

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Yep.

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Oh, come on, you're supposed, the line you're supposed to, your last name's Gorelli?

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Joe Rogan is on, and Alex gives him quite an intro.

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Here to give us the Hollywood perspective is my good buddy who knows all about the globalist,

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Joe Rogan.

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He, of course, was one of the top guys on the popular syndicated show news radio, now

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the host of Fear Factor, with all the stunts, the number one rated show on television, and

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I was honored with Kevin Booth by making a film with Joe, told us he wanted to come on.

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I am just really excited about having Joe Rogan on.

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Joe, it's good to talk to you.

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Hey, Alex, what's going on, man?

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I don't want to sound like a dick, because I love news radio, and I think Rogan was great

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in his role, but you're kidding yourself if you say he was one of the top guys on that

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show.

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Yeah.

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Well, you're honest, but you're high if you think that he was in the varsity level of

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that ensemble.

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I mean, fifth, fifth, maybe.

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I actually sat down and thought about this for quite a while.

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I think he's, at best, sixth banana.

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Yeah, you think so?

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Yeah.

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Let's see.

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Dave Foley and Phil Hartman are tied for first.

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Sure.

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Martin is right below that.

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100%.

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She's amazing.

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Yeah.

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And in the clump of the top of the ensemble.

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Then there's the people who have storylines that are pretty consistently featured.

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Sure, sure.

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So you have Vicky Lewis.

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Right.

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You have Andy Dick.

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And you have Jimmy James.

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Yeah.

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Steven Root.

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Yeah.

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And then underneath that, you have Candy Alexander and Joe Rogan.

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And that's because Candy Alexander was fucking brutally underused.

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She was fantastic.

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True.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And you can make an argument that Rogan may have also been somewhat underused.

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No, I think Rogan was used exactly the right amount, because any more, and he would be

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exactly like Rogan, which is annoying and really bothersome to me.

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Very possible.

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Yeah, an argument can be made that he was accurately used.

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Yeah, I would say so.

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But... Yeah, man, Steven Root... watching news

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radio then, I would not have thought, one, Steven Root is going to look better 30 years

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later.

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Sure.

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This is the career that maybe I envy the most out of anybody ever.

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He's a solid actor.

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And he's amazing.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, Sixth Banana, probably.

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Although, I mean, it's a memorable moment, certainly.

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Oh, sure.

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Two McCain.

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One of the big... All time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Not many beyond that.

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Well, there was that... he's part of that... just talk about the shaft.

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That is true.

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I can dig it.

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Yeah, yeah, that one was good.

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He was a part of that exchange.

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That was a great morning meeting.

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His timing was good.

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Yeah.

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Me want to be big, strong Refrigerator Man, but Refrigerator Man, so messy.

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Yeah.

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So very messy.

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He has some wins, but come on, guys.

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Come on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Come on.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I mean, Phil Hartman, if you even breathe without saying Phil Hartman and News Radio

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in the same sentence, I'm bothered.

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If you said Andy Dick was one of the top guys on News Radio...

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I might fight you.

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No, I would agree with that.

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I disagree.

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I disagree.

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Matthew is featured constantly.

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I understand.

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There's always stuff going on with Matthew.

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Well, yes, but anybody could... well, I will admit, the way he fell was pretty spectacular.

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Yes.

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He knew how to fall.

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Him and Vicky Lewis, they were the zaniness on the show, and so they were featured a lot

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because you need that dynamic.

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The ball...

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You need the chaos.

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The ball episode where they throw... that one, yeah.

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The complaint box.

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Oh, God.

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The complaint box is the greatest episode of TV.

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That and the door.

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No, the cane.

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The cane, of course.

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Absolutely.

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Or the smoking one.

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This one displeases me.

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This one I'll keep.

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This one I'll keep.

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Oh, man.

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Anyway, left News Radio talk because we got to talk to Rogan.

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Yeah.

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So, Alex, he started out the morning show wanting people to know that he predicted this.

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He started out the evening show talking about how he predicted this.

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Right.

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Now he's going to start off this interview...

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With Rogan.

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... making Rogan admit that Alex predicted this.

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Joe, you know I was predicting this, telling you all about it.

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Well, you do predict that the government is doing these things, but I mean, you don't

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believe that there's people in other countries that hate us?

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Oh, I know there are, but I know this.

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MSNBC, bin Laden comes home to roost.

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The CIA ties are only the beginning of the story, MSNBC.

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Well, I mean, he supposedly had CIA ties when he was working for the CIA, but that doesn't

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mean that he didn't get angry when he was working with the CIA and decided that's when

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he decided to hate America.

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Well, now they're saying it can be Iraq...

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Assuming that he's still with the CIA is pretty ridiculous.

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No, I hear you.

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Now they're saying it can be Iraq.

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They're saying it can be anybody, it can be Iran.

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My question is, why didn't we take Baghdad in 1991?

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If I had a ton more time to prepare this episode, I would have made a super cut of every time

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Alex reads that headline about bin Laden coming home to roost.

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It's been probably a hundred times he's used it, and he's never actually discussed the

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content of the article or how... He glosses over about how it's about the 1993 bombing.

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He's got the headline, and optically that's as good as any evidence, so whatever.

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Alex throws that headline at Joe, who has the most common sense reply that bin Laden

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may have been working with the CIA in the past, but to think that he still is would

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be ridiculous.

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Alex should disagree with this, but he can't really support his own argument, so he just

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gives up on that point to Joe, who essentially wins, and then he moves on to his next talking

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point about how he should have killed Saddam and taken over Baghdad in the last Gulf War.

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What's going on is that Alex has a few conversation paths as options, and he went down one with

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Joe which turned out to be a dead end.

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To distract the audience from realizing that it is a dead end and Alex has nothing to say

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about this article that he's constantly bringing up, he pivots to a completely different subject.

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This is disorienting if you're taking the conversation seriously and think there's a

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coherent point going on here.

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Alex is saying that he's been predicting this and that the government uses these kinds of

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events to accrue power, which Rogan agrees with.

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At this point in the day, there's already some talk about bin Laden being responsible

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going on, so Alex trots out this article from 1998 to demonstrate that he's correct and

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that even if bin Laden did it, it was still the government.

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Joe points out that this doesn't prove that bin Laden is working with the CIA now, which

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is at the crux of what Alex is suggesting by bringing up that article, and then Alex

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completely crumbles and starts talking about Saddam.

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This is not a normal or rational conversation or interview path because it's neither of

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these things.

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It's an attempt to get Joe to mirror Alex's talking points, which failed in its first

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attempt so Alex tried another road.

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Right.

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That's what's going on.

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Yeah, it is interesting to me that he didn't immediately bring up that the EU did it because

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the EU is the most likely, it's 50% over both Iraq and the government.

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Well, Joe Rogan is no people at the grocery store.

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So why wouldn't Alex be like, hey man, I'm hearing Germany did it.

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What are you thinking?

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The EU, they're just launching this currency, Germany, they've been coming for us in the

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past, right?

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Why not?

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Well, you know, I think that Alex maybe wants to ease into it a little bit.

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You don't want to throw that at Rogan right off the bat.

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You don't want to blow his mind.

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Maybe he knows that it sounds crazy to even Joe Rogan.

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I don't know.

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He thinks that Rogan will bite down on that cyanide capsule if he hears that it's the

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EU.

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It is.

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Are you kidding me?

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I can't deal with this reality.

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It is funny because the way Alex talks makes you feel like he's going down in this hedge

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maze, you know, where he's turning down this corner and he's like, well, nothing there,

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so I'm going to go back around that.

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But if you listen to the totality, it's more like we're in the hedge maze and he's just

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creating bullshit as you go along and you're trying to get to a conversation and there's

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nowhere to go.

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It's just a maze.

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Yep.

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That's about it.

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Yeah.

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So Alex wants the Hollywood response to what's going on.

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And I'm going to apologize in advance.

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There's a slur in here.

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Our slur coming up.

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Oh boy.

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And here's what Joe sees.

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What are your friends out in Hollywood saying about all this?

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You know, people are freaking out.

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I mean, there's a bunch of people that take the repose.

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It's like, hey, let's bomb everybody.

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You know, there's always going to be the racist approach where people assume that everybody

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of middle Eastern descent is responsible for this.

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And you hear a lot of, you know, racial slurs and you hear it everywhere from all sorts

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of different people.

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Yeah.

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I've been hearing camel jockeys and all those terms on stream radio.

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Yeah.

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No, I just heard it on your show.

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And also I have not included it, but there have been some like callers who have said

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things that border on definite slurs.

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I would say that they are pejorative terms.

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That's a good word.

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Yeah.

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Pejorative is a great euphemism for a fuck off word.

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Yeah.

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So Alex, yeah.

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I mean, if you, if you really look at the way that Joe is criticizing the media, he's

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criticizing Alex.

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Yeah.

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He's saying it's Alex.

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Perhaps more so even than a large percentage of the media that I watch.

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Yeah.

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I don't.

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I mean, there was not that much.

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I mean, there was some saber rattling, but not as much as you might've expected.

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I think we need to nuke them.

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That's what Alex said.

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Immediately.

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Nuke on them.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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There was less of that except for that secretary of state.

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That guy's nuts.

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Yeah.

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Got to kill someone.

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Got to kill somebody.

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Yeah.

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That was a, that was an outlier.

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What a psycho.

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So you were, you were like, Hey, why won't he say it's the EU?

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Yeah.

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If we had waited a little while, we would have gotten there.

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All right.

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All right.

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And your theory might've been correct.

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Joe.

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What about the EU run by the Germans?

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They're rolling out their new currency.

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We're already crashing globally.

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The EU was up against the dollar.

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You know, everything is about currency speculation.

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A lot of the evidence I'm getting from my sources say this could be an EU move and look

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how they attacked our very financial center to destroy the dollar.

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You think that the, wait a minute, let me get this straight.

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You think that this was Europe attacking America to destroy our economy?

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Yeah.

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You know that in Davos Switzerland, eight months ago, they announced that they were

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going to be preeminent.

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The dollar was going down.

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That's what he thinks.

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And there's been a global fight going on in the news analysis between the two currencies.

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You know, until we have any evidence of who did this, anything else is just irresponsible

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speculation.

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Joe, my point is, we have to ask who is behind this.

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You talk about irresponsible speculation.

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Look at the mainstream media.

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They're out there saying a hundred different people did it.

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I think that Joe, his response is all right.

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You know, cause there is a, what are you, what are you talking about?

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He's clearly doesn't believe him.

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Right.

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Clearly doesn't agree.

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Absolutely not.

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And he's being polite in the pushback in terms of like, this is irresponsible speculation

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basically.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And I think that that's, you know, there's something to tip the old cap.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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I mean, listen, we're already, the problems that need to be solved happen way before we

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get to Joe giving anybody a lesson in ethics and journalism.

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Okay.

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So I'm not going to complain about that.

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Well, here's, here's something that I was surprised about.

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I mean, first of all, I was surprised that Joe is here.

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And then second, I was surprised that as I was listening to this, I think that Joe Rogan

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at this point is who he thinks he is now.

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In 2001, Joe Rogan is his self perception in 2022.

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Right.

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Cause he is, he can push back on Alex and this doesn't go well.

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This interview goes bad.

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Ooh.

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That's nice.

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On 9-11.

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That's, that's boy, all the jokes that I won't make.

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It's really surreal to know what's about to like, we're about to discuss and recognize

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that this is the evening of 9-11.

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I just, I'm, it's.

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When we were doing our last episode.

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Sometimes scenarios are so big, you know, so vast that this, the, the universe

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is, you know, you, you think about the pale blue dot, you know, Carl Sagan talking about

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the pale blue dot.

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Carl Sagan would be like, fucking no way is Joe Rogan showing up on 9-11.

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What the fuck are we talking about?

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Blow this shit up, nuke the dot.

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That's what Carl Sagan is saying about this appearance.

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That's what I'm telling everybody right now.

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Yeah.

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It's like if Alex was doing his show and like Pearl Harbor happened and he has Milton

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Burrell on to tell him like, Hey, calm down.

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Stop.

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No, I think it was South America.

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What is wrong with you?

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Yeah.

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Absurd.

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So, um, Alex, you know, he, he's not like the commies.

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The commies want to kill people.

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And here again, Joe pushes back on some stuff Alex is throwing out.

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It looks like they did shoot down that plane outside Pittsburgh.

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Well, yeah, well, I'm, I mean, I can't say I'm glad they did it, but you know, if it

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costs fewer lives, then I guess it was the right thing to do it.

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Well, Joe, I'm all up front.

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I mean, the communists have killed 200 million people, but the colleges tell you they're

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cool.

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So I care about human life, but you know, I don't think colleges tell you communists

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are cool.

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I think they tell you that the idea of socialism is cool because socialism is what, you know,

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a lot of, uh, you know, educational people want.

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They want us to share wealth and share, you know, I think it's ridiculous and I think,

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but I think these is the ideal that they support not communist itself and not, you know, ruthless

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communist dictatorships and what they do to their people, uncle Joe Stalin into the 1950s

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in the newspapers.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah.

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Well, I've said that I've heard that that, yeah, well, I have heard from my own mouth

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many a time.

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Yeah.

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Well, all right.

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I guess if you're hinging your conspiracy and your rebuttal to my point is they called

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him uncle Joe, well, okay, you're on solid ground moving on then.

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Yeah.

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Yup.

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I think that Joe is, appears to be far more capable of critical thinking.

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He appears to be far more able to hold his own.

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He has a centered, grounded position of a thought.

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Yup.

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He's not going to be bullied by Alex into being like, whoa, maybe it is the EU.

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Yeah.

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Holy shit.

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Don't get old.

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That's what we're learning here.

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Don't get old.

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Everybody who gets old winds up sucking later on.

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No, no.

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I know he liked weed.

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I'm pretty sure even back then.

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Yeah, of course.

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I would assume.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I'm not going to say that like doing drugs for 30 years has messed his brain up.

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No, no, no, no.

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I'm not saying that either.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm saying that maybe one of the drugs he did, did it.

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Oh.

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We'll never know which.

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You don't think so?

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Well, I mean, how would you judge?

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Well, I mean, we don't know if he licked toad with Tyson.

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Tyson?

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Again, it's not the same as smoking toad.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm still going to use the colloquial term.

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Fair enough.

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Because you can't say dew in toad and I don't want to say snort in toad or smoke in toad.

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I feel like toad is not a culprit here.

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Okay.

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You want to say DMT?

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No, I don't want to say that either.

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I feel like he's got to have done a ton of like other weird things that no one's ever

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heard of.

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Right.

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Like chemicals.

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Right.

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Experimental chemicals and stuff.

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Here's what I'm going to say.

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I'm going to say it has nothing to do with drugs.

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And I'm going to say the number one drug that would cause something like this is surrounding

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yourself with yes men and people like Alex Jones who will consistently reinforce your

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position regardless of whatever it is that you are saying, thus leading you down to a

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lazy thought pattern because you never have to try.

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That's true.

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That could be a part of it.

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Also cultivating a fan base full of people who don't challenge you in terms of staying

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on some kind of a critical path I think is probably corrosive.

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But yeah.

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If he had just done drugs and not become famous I think he would be a better person.

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If people still made him own up to hosting the man show.

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Or being on Infowars on 9-11.

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Boy that's weird.

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So yeah, Rogan is not playing ball with Alex really and Alex can bring up something that

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Joe can respond to and be like well, Joe's response can be like well I don't know about

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that.

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They're not into communist dictators.

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They're just some of these socialist ideas like Medicare, Social Security.

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I do like he's like which I think are fucking stupid but whatever those smart people, those

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educational people.

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I think he thinks Social Security is probably fine.

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Of course he does.

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He's talking about redistribution and whatever that is.

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Alex is realizing that this is not going to work.

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So I'm going to have to blindside him.

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And so he tries to with the Northwood stuff.

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Gotcha.

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I had James Bamford, former 2020 executive on, different network from you, you're NBC.

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But it says new book on NSA has light on secrets, US terror plan called Cuban invasion pretext

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by Scott Shane and Tom Bowman.

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It says here, this is the Baltimore Sun, also New York Times.

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They wanted to quote, casualty list that means numbers of dead in US newspapers would cause

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a helpful wave of indignation.

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They wanted to blow up passenger airliners, attack the Marines at Guantanamo using army

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dressed up as Cubans as a pretext to invade Cuba.

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Now Kennedy said no, six months later, his head was sloppy Joe's.

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Joe how do you respond to that?

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I know you're a web guy.

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You can read the stories and hear the clips.

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Now, you know, I've heard any million number of different theories on why and how Kennedy

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was assassinated and by who and, you know, I suspect, you know, one of them out there

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is true.

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I suspect the government probably had something to do with it.

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But as far as you know that I mean, but Joe, not even the Kennedy thing.

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It's confirmed NSA documents, the joint piece of staff signed on to it.

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So Alex has already realized that Joe is clearly not in favor of declaring that the globalists

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or the EU did 9-11 and Alex has no argument to make that they did so he's in a tough position.

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He knows that Joe isn't a pushover in 2001 and that he has his own celebrity and he isn't

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100% bought into Alex's shit like the other guests Alex has had on on 9-11.

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That's tough because if he starts asking too many questions about why Alex believes the

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things he's saying or what proof he has to base his claims on, it might become clear

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that Alex is just making shit up.

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So Alex goes on offense.

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This clip is him putting Joe in a completely unfair and unwinnable situation.

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Joe has expressed that he doesn't think the government necessarily did this and questions

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Alex's idea about a possible motive.

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So instead of arguing that point, Alex throws Operation Northwoods at him.

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Joe doesn't know about this document.

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He's never read it.

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So this conversation has to happen entirely on Alex's terms or not at all.

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Joe has to accept Alex's framing and details or say I haven't read that so I can't have

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this conversation.

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The latter option is more responsible but also isn't super productive in a radio interview

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setting.

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Plus if you know Alex you know he's not going to respect that.

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He's just going to have the conversation anyway.

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Alex is forcing Joe to engage with something he knows nothing about which supposedly proves

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that the government had plans approved to do a 9-11 back in the 60s.

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So from an optics standpoint, Alex is making it Joe's responsibility to debunk this document

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before they can even really begin to talk about the actual matter at hand, which is

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impossible.

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Yeah, sometimes whenever moving the goal posts isn't going to work for you, what you have

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to do is switch to playing highlight.

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Right.

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Alright?

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So you're like, ah, football's really hard.

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I'm not going to do that shit.

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Highlight it is, buddy.

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Or that old Thomas Jefferson quote, whenever they start figuring out the answers.

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That's when I change the questions.

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Ah, that was a great Thomas Jefferson quote.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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This is what Alex is doing is in essence the same thing he does in terms of using OKC as

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cover for the 9-11 bomb theories.

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It's an attempt to force someone to complete some other task before you get to the real

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issue that you're supposed to be talking about.

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It's like Alex is an NPC in a video game sending you on a fetch quest in the middle of the

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main mission, but it's a poorly designed game so you kind of know that once you finish that

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side quest they're just going to send you on another.

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It's going to be a long time until you get to the main mission.

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Yeah.

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It's going to take a lot of patience to have any actual conversation with Alex.

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Yeah.

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It's just going to keep throwing out, oh no, I need an amulet if we're going to go into

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this cave or whatever the fuck.

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Right.

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It's annoying.

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You want to know what my Kennedy conspiracy theory is?

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Please.

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My conspiracy theory is this.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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Let me, EU?

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No, no, no, no.

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It's even worse.

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Oh boy.

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It's the government that is disseminating conspiracy theories because they don't want

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people to know how easy it is to just murder the president.

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Like honestly, if you look back at American history, there have been at least four should

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have been murdered presidents that weren't murdered.

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That's true.

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You know, you've got Andrew Jackson twice, two guns jammed in his face, should have bad

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his head blown off.

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Teddy Roosevelt.

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Teddy Roosevelt, gone.

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Ronald Reagan, out of here.

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Yeah, those were, those were not sophisticated plan.

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No, you do not need a sophisticated plan.

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You can just shoot them.

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They're just dudes.

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I'm not saying, I'm not just, obviously, obviously not saying that, but it is, it is not a complicated

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process, but it's, but you can hear, you can hear it in Joe's voice too.

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He's like, it's, there are so many things, there's so many moving parts.

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There's gotta be a complicated plan behind it.

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There's gotta be somebody with money behind it.

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It's gotta be that Ocean's Eleven heist.

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And it can really just be a dude who's like, none of those other ones were.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And for what it's worth, I mean, even the, I mean, there was some planning and conspiracy

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involved in the Lincoln assassination, but not that much.

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Not like, oh, we got to get Russia involved.

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Yeah.

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That is interesting.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't agree.

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I don't believe your premise.

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No, I mean, I'm not saying the government is actually doing that.

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But it is interesting to think about how there's an expectation that that has to be the most

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Byzantine thing.

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Yeah.

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No, everybody thinks that it should be really, really hard to assassinate the president of

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Israel, but if you look back at assassinations that worked and didn't work, all you really

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need is the chutzpah to try and maybe the chips will fall where they may.

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Well, I'm going to need you to go on Rogan while we're in Austin and ask him about this

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theory.

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I think that's a good one.

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So look, Alex can't handle this interview.

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Alex has some thoughts about Hollywood and unfortunately Joe is in Hollywood.

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What does this do for our image oriented country?

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What actions might Hollywood take to help prop things up?

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I don't think Hollywood ever should be in a position to take any actions whatsoever.

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Hollywood is about entertainment and making money.

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Hollywood trying to prop things up I think is pretty ridiculous.

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But they're kind of doing that.

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They're taking a lot of federal money on some of these army scripts and stuff.

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Are they really?

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Oh, yeah.

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Movies like Pearl Harbor?

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Yeah, exactly.

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They take army money in what way?

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All the free equipment and then the army tells them how to write the script and what to do

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and what to take out.

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Well, you know what?

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I highly doubt the army tells them what to do and what to take out.

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I think they do probably tell them that they can't have the army or the military viewed

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in a poor way, like displayed in a poor way.

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But I highly doubt they give them money.

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For them, it's also good publicity though.

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You have to realize, for recruitment, to watch a movie like Pearl Harbor where the kids join

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the Navy and become heroes, for an impressionable young kid, now that might be just the push

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that they need to get them into the armed services.

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Yeah, it created a glut of people wanting to fly F-14s when Tom Cruise made Top Gun.

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Yeah, no, absolutely.

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And the military's well aware of that.

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Yeah, so Alex is arguing against his own point.

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Yeah, I'm confused as to why Alex thinks that this is a conversation he's having.

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Because he fucking crumbled.

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He tried to make a claim.

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Rogan was like, nah, that doesn't track.

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I don't think that.

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No way.

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Okay, next try.

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What else do I got in my - he's just pulling bags - he's got a bag of candies, and he's

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just throwing them at Joe Rogan.

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Like does this one taste good?

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Does this one taste good?

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Let's see if the media tastes good.

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Okay.

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And what the media's there for, it's a business to make money.

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And as soon as it falters in any way, shape, or form, they will adjust it and correct it

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and put it back in a position to make money.

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Whether that means hiring attractive people to work as news anchors or sprucing up the

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soundtrack or doing whatever the hell they have to do.

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They're there to get ratings.

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Okay.

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Now, I mean, look at what's going on with shark attacks.

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There's less shark attacks this year than any other year before, but they've locked

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onto it as a point of focus, and now they talk about it constantly.

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And then suddenly you see HBO re-airing Jaws every night.

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Right.

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Well, it's just, it's all about what is working.

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Right now what is working is shark attacks.

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Today what is working is terrorist attacks.

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And whatever is working - That is working today.

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That's what the media is.

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Did you just say?

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The idea that people have that the media is controlled by some secret government agencies

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and it's all just propaganda, you know, to ensure that people get conformed to the

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police state.

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That's ridiculous.

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I know all the people behind these shows.

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They don't care about anything but funny.

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They want ratings.

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They want 18 to 49.

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That's what they want.

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People who are 18 to 49.

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Yeah, but Joe, you do - And whatever gets them, that's what it'll

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be on.

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You do Mad TV and news radio and host Fairfax, the number one show.

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And the mansion.

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A lot of those media anchors may not say it to your face, but they're counsel on foreign

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relations members.

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They go off to building group meetings that are now being publicized.

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They're calling for government.

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What do you mean the people that are in charge, like people in charge of CNN and places like

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that?

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Well, we know Ted Turner gave a billion bucks to the U.N.

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I mean, come on.

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Come on.

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Well, I think Ted Turner gives a lot of money out for tax purposes.

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Look, Alex is not being able to handle what are basically simple rebuttals to his points.

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This is bad.

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Yeah, this is an embarrassing show.

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This is a man going like, eh, come on, that doesn't make that much sense, and Alex going,

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eh, you're right.

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Well, what's interesting is that Alex can't be too mean to Joe because he is the host

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of Fear Factor, one of the top-rated shows in the country.

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For real.

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Yeah.

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It was huge.

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It's weird to think back on that, that like, yeah, it was winning its time slot.

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Oh, yeah.

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People loved watching him yell at people so they would eat bugs.

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Everybody who is ever making fun of like, oh, the pet rock fad is like, man, Fear Factor

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is way worse than that shit.

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I mean, it didn't last long.

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No, that's true.

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The ratings crumbled pretty fast, but yeah, it was a phenomenon.

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But yeah, I think that there's something really interesting going on here, and that is because

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Alex can't really fight with him all that much without risking the friendship of a really

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famous guy.

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Right.

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Um...

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More important than gold.

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Yeah, he has to, like, put these things out that he's supposed to say.

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Sure.

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Rogan pushes back in the most, like, obvious way.

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Yeah.

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Alex has no rebuttals for this, anything.

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His arguments are flimsy and paper thin.

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He's making up these people who are controlling things and going to Bilderberg and all this

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stuff.

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And because of that, he just has to give up on all these points.

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He can't keep arguing without revealing that he doesn't have a second step to this argument.

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Or even really, a first step based on, he doesn't have feet.

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He doesn't have enough feet to step with.

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Yeah.

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And it's really depressing.

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I mean, first of all, you know, seeing Alex, this incompetent is not great.

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But then seeing Joe this able to navigate this territory and, like, obviously he didn't

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ruin their friendship.

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Right.

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He was able to give voice to these counterpoints to what Alex was saying.

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And show a little frustration while he's doing it.

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Sure.

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Not let Alex just get away with whatever nonsense he's saying.

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Right.

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And I think maybe part of that dynamic is that he's on Alex's show.

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Yeah.

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Like, if he's on his own show, he wants Alex to be...

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Yeah.

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Get going.

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Get crazier.

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Yeah.

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Do more of what you want to do.

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Yeah.

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I'm here for entertainment.

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He doesn't really benefit from Alex's ratings being bad.

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Right, right, right, right, right.

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Oh, man.

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I just don't know how you live...

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The day we're talking about was 9-11, correct?

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Yeah.

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And this is happening on that day.

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Yep.

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And Joe Rogan said...

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I wasn't planning to remind you of that for a little bit longer.

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Tourist attacks are working today.

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Yeah.

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Is such a thing to say on 9-11.

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It's really weird because it's also in the context of that, like, why is everyone talking

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about shark attacks?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Because it's what's working.

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It's a media creation.

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It's in the zeist or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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Wow.

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It's a little different when there...

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Shh.

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Tiny bit.

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Well, I mean, I feel like there would be a real...

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You'd have to be really bizarrely disconnected from how humans work in order to be like,

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why is everyone talking about terrorist attacks today?

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Yeah, that would have to be insane.

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That would be an insane thing to do.

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Oh, well, terrorist attacks are what's driving money now, is the...

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I understand being critical of people talking about sharks.

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Sure.

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I agree.

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We kill more sharks than they kill us and they're better.

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This one's different.

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They're very different.

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So, Alex, really, if he knew what he was doing at all, he would just bail on talking about

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anything that has to do with the media or the entertainment industry.

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But he can't.

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Joe, just for you, because we're all about the documentation, I'm going to post stories

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about the Justice Department writing scripts for Law and Order.

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Really?

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Done, done.

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Yes.

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And where did this come from?

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Oh, ABC, NBC, MSNBC.

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ABC and NBC have admitted that the Justice Department writes scripts for Law and Order?

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Yeah, see, you're out there...

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Why Law and Order?

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Do what?

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Do what?

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Why Law and Order?

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A bunch of those shows.

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Do they have nothing to do with keeping people in line or, you know, the agenda of the world

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order?

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Oh, yeah, showing you phony court proceedings where the judge is the boss and violates the

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Constitution.

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Look, I didn't write it.

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I mean, they did.

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Well, I would be more than happy to read it, but, obviously, I can't comment on it until

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I read it.

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You know, I do know people who run television shows.

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I know a lot of people who run a lot of the top rated shows.

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I know the guy who invented, who wants to marry a multi-millionaire and all these other

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crazy...

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I know a lot of people who run television and, despite what people think of the motives

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of all these people putting these shows on for, you know, larger, grander, eviler reasons,

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or evil reasons, rather, these people just are at the rating.

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Yeah.

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Why would ABC have anything to say about Law and Order being how it was written?

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It wasn't on ABC.

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It's an NBC show.

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You know, ABC is trying to...

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They're trying to take Law and Order down a peg, you know?

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ABC's got a scoop on their NBC rivals about how they're letting the government write their

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shows.

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Was W thinking about making Dick Wolf the Attorney General?

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I mean, what he's...

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What Rogan is not allowing for is the possibility that the government was writing these scripts

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because W had a particular thing that he liked Law and Order to do.

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You know?

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Can...

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Listen, we find out now every day more of what the Queen is doing extrajudicially.

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She's influencing laws and shit.

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They're getting away with murdering animals on their shit, doing all that.

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Why couldn't W be like, hey, listen, I want the next storyline for Law and Order to be...

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I think that's a reasonable thought.

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So you're thinking it's the DOJ is making requests to tailor entertainment for the president

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as opposed to it being a nefarious conspiracy.

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Nope.

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I'm just 100% a man going like, I wish I had control over Law and Order.

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They're ripping the wrong stories from the headlines.

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Why not?

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I have found more entertaining headlines for them to cover.

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The government has used more power for less important shit.

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You're not wrong.

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But yeah, Joe's not buying that shit.

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And this, again, Alex, he's drawn to this topic that he should avoid it.

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Just stop it.

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That's literally all they do.

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And then they bring them to the people who run the networks, who I've also met.

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Not many of these people are evil.

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Not many of these people are working for the government.

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They're all hustlers.

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They're all putting things in front of you that they think you'll buy.

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It's a guy walking on the street, hey, man, you want to buy a watch?

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That's what a networking executive is.

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It's just in a grander scale.

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It's sitcoms, it's variety shows, it's reality shows.

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Whatever it is, it's just there to get your attention and to get your money.

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It's just there so you'll tune in and buy a Toyota truck or a Thai detergent.

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That's what it's there for.

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That's all it's there for.

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So all this crazy notion that the government is using us like puppets through the media

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is ridiculous.

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I am deep, deep, deep inside the media, okay?

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Just because you did that.

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I know exactly what goes on.

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I know who these people are.

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I'm the host of Fear Factor.

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I'm going to start emailing you the stories.

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Okay, but I'm telling you, the stories of these stories are very suspect.

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I don't necessarily believe them.

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I think they sound like a ridiculous notion, and I don't think people would know.

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Henry Kissinger and others, and I have the news stories here, were on TV tonight saying

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we need to give up our liberties for security.

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Do you agree that we should give up our liberties?

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No, who's on TV tonight?

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It's a little bit... That's a jarring...

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Well, it's because Alex needed to retreat to safer territory.

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This was going very poorly for him because Joe's not buying it.

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He has expertise, and he's in those worlds.

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He understands, and he's being self-deprecating even with like, I know that that's my job.

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That's why I have a show.

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It's interesting for people.

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They want to watch me yell at people, and then it helps sell products.

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He's not disillusioned about this.

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It's just sort of a crass, materialist explanation of what TV is.

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I hosted clubs for years.

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My job is to sell drinks, not to be funny.

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That's the deal, yeah.

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Alex can't handle that.

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He doesn't have enough to go on, and so you transition over to safer territory, which

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is like Kissinger.

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Kissinger's there.

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Kissinger's interview on CNN, and he didn't say that.

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No.

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Again, we're in this situation where I can point that out, and Alex can say like, oh,

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it must have been on another channel, and we're back where we started.

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It doesn't really matter though because this was just something Alex threw out to change

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the subject.

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Right.

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Alex realized he was losing this government controls the media stuff, and you know, whatever.

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Yeah, Alex really isn't used to his quote, unquote, experts using their expertise to

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combat him.

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Right.

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He doesn't appreciate, he's like, no, no, no, you're not supposed to actually be an

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expert.

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I'm just calling you one, okay?

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You're the host of Fear Factor.

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I've been in these rooms.

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I've met these executives.

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No, that doesn't sound true.

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I've negotiated.

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Nah, you're just the host of Fear Factor.

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Okay.

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So this is fun.

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Joe, Joe, if Hollywood isn't about manipulating perception, why are they so outrageously against

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the second amendment and peddling misinformation?

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What do you mean?

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Good question.

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I mean, come on.

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All of them.

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They're just up there, just out of control, 24-7, turning your guns.

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I'm telling you, Hollywood is not about misinformation.

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Hollywood is about tricking you.

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Hollywood is about misinformation when it comes to relationships, like how rosy and

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perfect they are for Father Knows Best people.

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You know why?

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When people come home from a day that sucks, when they work a hard day's work and they

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come home and they have a beer, they don't want to see depressing things.

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Fair enough.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Yeah, I love that moment for Alex, though.

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I love that.

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When he's like, the media's against the second amendment.

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What are you talking about?

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He has no examples.

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He's just like, you know how they're all dang out of control.

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They're all out of control with their second amendment hatred.

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Not a single example.

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Every time I look at the TV, I feel like they don't like the second amendment.

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Right.

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Whenever there isn't two guns on screen.

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Yeah.

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I was watching Married with Children, and they solved a problem in less than 30 minutes

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via some sort of communication as opposed to a gunshot.

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Boo.

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So Alex is losing everything here.

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Yeah.

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Joe is dancing circles around him with minimal effort.

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I mean, boy, really don't have to work that hard.

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No.

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Alex really needs to basically discredit Joe by giving him an ulterior motive.

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Sure.

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All I can say to all of this is, I know you're a smart guy, I know you know about the New

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World Order.

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You're doing very well in this whole system, and I'm not even saying, you know, your show

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is bad compared to all the rest, and it's your first amendment right, people's right

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to watch it or turn it off.

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So I don't get into all of that stuff, but you don't have to defend this system that

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is trying to trample our rights.

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So there is this idea that he's within the system.

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And that you have to say what you have to say to keep your corporate overlords happy.

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Yeah, you're within this globalist Hollywood system, and so that's why you're not agreeing

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with me 100%.

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That's really not fair.

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Why even have the conversation then?

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Like what's the point?

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Right.

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What makes the Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote's relationship interesting is that the Roadrunner

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is very, very fast.

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So the Coyote's attempts to attack it are scaled correctly, you know, and that's their

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over-complication is what makes the problem is.

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You wouldn't watch the show if it was the Wile E. Coyote versus a turtle, and the turtle

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wasn't moving very fast, and the Wile E. Coyote still blew himself up, you know, you could

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just step over and grab the turtle.

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You could.

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You don't have to paint a whole extra road on a brick wall, you know, you can just...

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I would say that that dynamic is part of why this isn't electric radio, but it's fun for

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me in a way that a lot of these interviews aren't, and that's because you see Joe being

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his highest self, sort of.

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I don't actually know if I can back that up.

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There may be a better version of him somewhere, but this is a pretty good version of him for

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the people that we've seen.

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If you're going to represent yourself on Infowars, this is the best way to do it.

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And if you're going to represent yourself as Joe Rogan, this is a good representation

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of him compared to every other version of him we've seen.

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Right.

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He's very, very Joe Rogan-y as opposed to more Alex Jones-y.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So, Alex, he's got to just do whatever he can.

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This is nonsense.

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We're walking a very slippery slope with trying to protect ourselves and trying to make sure

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that the government doesn't take personal freedoms away from us while we're protecting

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ourselves.

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Joe, I agree with you, but let's take Santa Clarita.

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Two weeks ago, four East German APCs go in.

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I have the photos and the video from the LA Times.

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Sorry, what?

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They're firing M60 machine guns into the wrong houses.

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I mean, that is not America.

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Guys in black uniforms and black APCs.

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Well, that's not Germany.

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That's what you just said, right?

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Do what, sir?

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You said it was Germany?

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They were driving East German APCs.

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And this happened in Germany?

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No, this happened just north of LA.

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You heard about it.

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No, I didn't.

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The guy's house burning down, the APCs, the shoot-out?

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Well, I mean, what are you saying?

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You're saying that this guy has military equipment?

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No.

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The police.

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It's LA Times.

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Four black East German APCs that used to oppress the East German people were bought a few years

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ago.

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They're in the neighborhood shooting up the wrong houses, going nuts.

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It turns out they shot their own officers and then tried to frame this guy they killed

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with it.

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That's in the LA Times.

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I didn't read that.

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I don't know what that story's about.

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But what does that have to do with the government taking away our liberties by blowing up gigantic

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buildings and killing possibly tens of thousands of people?

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Well, come back to Austin, Joe, and when you do, I'll take you downtown and show you lines

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of black APCs and face-scanning cameras.

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I'm not totally sure what this has to do with the larger topic or what that response even

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was.

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Yeah.

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But it makes sense that Joe's confused by Alex throwing this new story into the mix

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because it's a total non-sequitur.

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Alex is also lying about that situation that occurred in Santa Clarita.

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Police arrived to search the home of a guy named James Allen Beck, who was a felon that

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the authorities had learned from neighbors who were worried that he was stockpiling weapons

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and ammo, which he can't do, and there were some reports that he was going around impersonating

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a police officer.

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That's not good.

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From the LA Times, quote, Deputy Hagop, also nicknamed Jake Curdesian, was among scores

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of officers who flocked to the scene.

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He was shot and killed within minutes of arriving.

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Alex says to Joe that the police shot their own officer and then framed Beck, which was

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reported in the LA Times, which is an absolute lie, and it's a necessary lie because if Alex

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discussed this situation in its real form, it wouldn't be so black and white, and it

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would become much harder for Alex to use for his talking points.

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Beck opened fire on the officers and killed this sheriff's deputy, which led to the police

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returning fire.

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They were a bit unprepared for this turn of events and shot a number of rounds into the

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adjoining house, though no one was killed.

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The people whose house was shot into, they sued, and they were awarded $200,000 eventually,

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so they got some restitution.

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Through it all, Beck continued shooting, probably thousands of rounds.

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He had a huge cache of weapons, so he was even firing at news helicopters, and it was

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just a huge mess.

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He shot at people for hours until the police tried to shoot a tear gas canister in, which

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may have started a fire.

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While the fire burned, Beck continued firing his guns until the roof collapsed.

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Wow.

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There's criticism that can be made of the police and ATF response, absolutely.

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The preparedness, not great.

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There probably is some lessons to be learned in the post-action, for sure.

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But because of this baseline similarity that the situation has to Waco, conspiracy theorists

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latched onto the event as being the same thing all over again.

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It got a fair amount of news coverage, but really wasn't that big of a story outside

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of this extreme right-wing media circle like Alex, and it's mostly just because they used

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it as a reminiscent thing of Waco.

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And that's why Joe has no idea what he's talking about, but to Alex, this seems like a giant

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... It's a huge story.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You can see that discrepancy.

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Yeah, I gotcha.

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So, I've said some positive things about Joe, but...

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It's time for that to go away!

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Well, not really.

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It's just that I disagree... I just don't necessarily agree with his perspective.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, let's find something.

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Joe, here's the question.

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And really, don't dodge it.

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If we find out Iraq did it, what should we do?

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We should bomb them.

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I'm not going to dodge that at all.

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If we find out absolutely, positively, without a doubt that someone's guilty, they should

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die.

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That's absolutely a fact.

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I'm all for ridding the world and the United States, for that matter, of people who are

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evil.

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You know?

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I mean, if we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty, I'm all for

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the death penalty.

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It's whether or not we can do that, that is the real question.

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And that, I think, is just as much, if not more, of a threat to the liberty of the people

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of this country.

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Joe, do you want to stay with us and take some calls?

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Sure, absolutely.

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What?

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So, I think that... I mean, obviously, I get where he's coming from.

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He also, earlier, decried people being kind of warmongery.

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Sure.

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And I think that... I don't know.

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I understand the feeling that there's a need for war based on a terrorist attack like that.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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I understand that, particularly that evening.

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I get it.

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I don't know if I agree fully, because I don't think it solves the problem, and you end up

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killing a ton more people, civilians.

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So, no.

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Now, if I understand correctly... It doesn't seem productive.

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Are you trying to say that so far, up to this point, war does not seem to have solved problems?

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I would say war, what is it good for?

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You know what?

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I'm going to go even one step further.

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Dan, might you even be saying that perhaps it is war itself that led Osama bin Laden

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to committing these terrorist acts in the first place, thereby meaning that if we were

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to start another war, only guaranteeing that yet another Osama bin Laden in several years

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will come by and blow up something else.

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Are you saying that maybe this is a cycle that happens over and over and over again,

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that people stupid like Joe Rogan and the mother fuckers say?

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Good God.

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Is it something like that?

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Ugh.

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Yeah.

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What is it good for?

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Absolutely nothing.

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Say it again.

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Say it again.

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Ah, damn it!

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So this is unfortunate for Joe.

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He wasn't listening to Alex's show earlier, because he critiqued something that Alex did

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earlier.

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Oh, boy.

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Like the NSA didn't know they were doing this, and like they could take over these planes

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with box cutters.

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I'm sure you've heard that, Joe, that people called in from cell phones on board.

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They were hijacking it with box cutters.

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Yeah, I did hear that.

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And my comment to that, to a friend of mine was, you know, people were like, well, why

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didn't they fight?

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Well, they might have been told that all that was going to happen was they were going to

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bring the plane back to Kennedy Airport.

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They were going to make a political statement.

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I mean, we don't know what they told these pastors.

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They told them to lull them into a false sense of security.

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They're not going to tell them, hey, we're going to crash into the World Trade Center

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and kill you.

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Yeah, but Joe, I mean.

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I'm just saying that a lot of people are actually questioning the courage of the people on board.

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And until you're in a situation like that, I don't think you could judge.

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Yeah, you know who was doing that?

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The guy you're talking to.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A lot of.

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I appreciate that all of Joe Rogan's criticisms about the media in response to Alex saying

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that the media is doing something are criticisms of Alex's media.

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And Alex is essentially doing far more extreme versions of it than probably seeing other

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places.

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Yeah, totally.

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Also, I mean, it bears mentioning, like Alex is definitely advocating for bombing Iraq

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more than or at least that's a conversation that's come up a lot more here than it has

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at this point on other shows.

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Anywhere else.

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Yeah.

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Nobody else is even talking about Iraq yet.

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Well, I mean, that one secretary of state could have included Iraq in his we've got

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to kill somebody.

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We've got to blow somebody up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But nobody, I don't think anybody was on the nation's tip.

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Like let's, let's, let's throw this on a fucking government.

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It's weird.

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It's weird to have Alex eventually become this guy who's like anti-Iraq war and all

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that becomes such a piece of his identity.

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And he's really very much like, maybe that's the option.

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Let's nuke Iraq.

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It does appear that the only thing stopping Alex from being the cause of all the things

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he complains about is that he wasn't there to make the decision.

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Like if he was there to, he can't complain about the Iraq war.

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If he was there to make the decision, he would have bombed him.

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He can't complain about this.

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If he was there to make the decision, he would have done that.

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He can't complain about the power grid because if he was there, he would have done, you know.

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Well, I think he would have bombed Iraq if he could prove that they did it, but proving

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things means nothing to Alex.

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There we go.

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So I think if he were in a position of power, he could very easily prove whatever he wanted

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to prove if it was expedient towards whatever he wanted to do.

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Yeah, man, that is almost word for word what someone did.

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Yep.

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So Joe, to his credit, doesn't want to see the UN take over the US courts, which is great.

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Sure.

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Also to Joe's-

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I think I do.

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Ours are bad.

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Joe's credit.

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Yeah.

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He doesn't seem to like the constitution much.

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Yeah.

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They're going to take whoever it is, Osama bin Laden or whoever it is, they're going

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to put them under the International Criminal Court and all the people in the United States

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of America are going to say, oh, isn't this wonderful?

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Now, I've got a couple other ones.

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Meanwhile, Joe, the criminal court does not allow juries.

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You can't face your accuser.

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Double jeopardy is reinstalled.

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They can hold you for 30 years without a trial.

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Do you support the UN taking control of our court system?

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Well, of course I don't.

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Well-

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I don't support any- look, I don't support the constitution as it stands right now.

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I think the constitution should reflect the will of the people and because it's a piece

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of paper that was printed a long time ago, I think there's certain things that our forefathers

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wanted to put in the constitution that they didn't.

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They wanted to put a 2% tax ceiling, that it would be 2% would be the highest tax you

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have to pay, but they didn't put it in there because they could never conceive of it getting

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that high.

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There's a lot of things that are in our constitution, what our constitution reflects is it should

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reflect the will of the people.

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Well, you could have mobocracy, we need a rule of law and a republic.

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That tax thing isn't what I would have gone with as an example, but the point stands.

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Yeah, I mean you could have gone with slaves.

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Sure.

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There's, yeah, there's a recognition that the constitution is an imperfect document

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and that's foreboding to Alex.

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That is crazy.

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It's very weird to hear someone say like, you know what, fuck the constitution on Alex's

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show.

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Yeah, that is odd.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this next clip, Jordan.

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Yeah.

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It's a bit long.

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It's about three minutes.

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Oh no.

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If you cut a three minute clip, that's not good.

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Well, it's cause there's an argument.

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They get into a fight.

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Okay.

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Now I'm interested.

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I gotta say, I admire Rogan for being able to have this conversation.

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I do not admire him for doing it on 9-11.

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I really am struggling again with this.

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Okay.

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I'm fine.

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I'm removing the fact that it's 9-11 on the day from my, you should try, I can't engage

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with this as with the understanding.

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It's hard to get through it otherwise.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're having a spirited debate or not.

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And then Joe is not defending the new world order.

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He just simply doesn't think things are as bad as we're covering probably because he's

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not here every day.

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Joe in the trenches covering the documents, Alex, this is my take on you and I, you know,

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you're my friend and I love you and everything, but this is my take on you.

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You do a lot of this, you do yourself a disservice by saying that you're absolutely positive

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about things that I don't think you are.

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I think by saying that, you know, the answer to everything, you make the whole notion ridiculous.

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The whole notion that you're this guy that uncovers all these conspiracies.

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You have the exact answer to everything is pretty ludicrous.

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Now Joe, since you were aggressive, I'm going to counter you.

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I absolutely agree that there's a lot of disinformation by our own government, by the media, by all

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sorts of things, but I don't think, you know, the answer to all of it.

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Joe, I know this.

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And you say you do, and that's where you use visibility with a lot of intelligent people.

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Joe, I know this.

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Just there though.

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You're being aggressive.

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That's the only place.

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What you're doing is, and these are some of the private arguments we've had, Joe, I'm

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here to tell you right now that Ritalin clogs more neuroreceptors than cocaine, 70% when

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cocaine does 50.

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It's very damaging, it shrinks brains, it expands hearts, it retards the growth in children.

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What are you talking about?

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Now, hold on, let me finish and tell you where I'm going with this, and I've had the neuroscientist,

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the brain surgeon on to cover it.

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I've read about how they're putting cancer viruses in the vaccines across the board,

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why cancer is exploding.

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I've gone right down the line on all of this.

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We evidenced it ad nauseam, so to just sit there and say, I claim I have all the answers.

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I know gun control is wrong.

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I know SWAT teams are raiding innocent people's houses.

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I know the military is hitting the whole neighborhoods here in Texas searching for drugs that the

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government ships in, and that's been proven even in Esquire magazine.

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I've interviewed former CIA officers that shipped it in.

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I don't make any of this up, Joe.

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I have the newscast of Oklahoma City with them bringing the unexploded bombs out of

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a building.

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I've had the former head of Air Force weapons development on this show to say that building

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was blown out, not in.

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When I'm not making this stuff up, Joe, you just can't admit how far we've slipped down

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into it, so you're telling me I'm doing a disservice, and it's not true.

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I think you're doing yourself a disservice, and I think a lot of things that you do are

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fantastic.

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I think you've got a huge heart.

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I think you're a really, really competent guy, and you've got a lot of balls, and that's

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what this country needs is someone who will stand in front of Janet Rideau and question

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her on what happened at Waco.

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I agree with you on that.

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I agree with you on when you have proof, the way you have conviction, the way you have

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courage, and you go after it.

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I think everybody admires that.

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I think it's a fantastic thing that you do.

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When I think you lose me is when I think you use something that's based on speculation.

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You do use something that may or may not be true, you state it as an absolute, and a fact

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when any intelligent person listening knows there's gotta be some other possibilities.

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So look, this is a pretty scathing critique of Alex, but I also think it's too generous.

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It's way too generous.

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Yeah, that like, I think you take things that are speculative and you act like you're convinced

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of them.

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Yeah.

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It's a pretty deep cut because I think it's very accurate.

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Yeah, it's 100% accurate.

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But the problem that I have is when you limit it to speculation and things that you aren't

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fully convinced of because he's straight up lying and making things up.

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Yeah, I was gonna say.

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There's that.

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Joe, Joe is, is doing him a disservice because he's not acknowledging Alex's greatest talent,

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which is lying on command about anything, anytime for no reason.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Or for whatever reason.

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Rattling off a bunch of topics that are essentially all over the place.

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Totally.

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So like he just throws all these things on the ground and you're supposed to pick them

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up and organize them and debunk the things he's saying.

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Do this for me.

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In order to substantiate your claim that he is convinced of things that aren't fully proven

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or whatever.

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Right, right, right.

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You now have to debunk all of these hundred things that he's thrown out.

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And it's like, all right, man, you just, it's, it's childish.

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It's a way of arguing that is like, it is the way that people who don't want to do homework

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argue in a group project where you're the person who does all the work, you know?

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It's like everything that they do is just saying a bunch of shit at you and you're like,

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God damn it, now I have to learn about this.

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Now I have to learn about this.

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Now I have to learn about this.

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Now I have to learn about this, man.

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Fuck you.

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And he's not learning anything.

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No.

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It's all on you.

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It is.

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So Alex brings up like some of the books and what have you, and Rogan isn't really convinced

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of like a lot of the like book sources because like books sometimes are dumb.

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Yeah.

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I've read more than one.

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He brings up one dumb book.

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Do you hold a pale white horse?

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Have you ever read that?

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of crazy stuff in there about the government having alien bases on the dark

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side of the moon.

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Yeah, see, Joe, you've fallen for something here.

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We don't talk about that.

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We talk about...

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Let me give you something.

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What I'm just saying is there's a lot of books like that.

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Joe, what would you do if you found out the U.N. took over 70% of our land mass October

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18th of 2000?

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They took over 70% of our United States land mass?

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Yes.

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In what way?

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How did they take over?

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You can read the actual treaty at infowars.com or listen to an interview with Congressman

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Ron Paul.

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They signed over the country to the U.N., sir.

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Well, you know, again, I'd have to read that to comment on it.

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Well, I got a Washington Post report from three weeks ago under the U.N. gavel admitting

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they claim they run our courts and are going to get rid of juries and the National Bar

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Association in Chicago, Chicago Tribune agrees.

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Okay.

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That's why it's so unfair to have a conversation like this with somebody on a radio show because

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Alex is not at all talking to you at all.

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Not even a little bit.

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What you have to say is meaningless.

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What he's doing is posturing for the listeners.

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He's posturing and then he's being very unsuccessful if you're paying attention.

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And then secondly, he's also just trying to throw you off.

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Absolutely.

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He's throwing out these things that are all over the place that you can't possibly have

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any idea what he's talking about in order to fluster you so you look less grounded in

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the criticisms that you're making if you're a Rogan.

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It's basically like you're having an argument with someone.

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You're talking about, I don't know, interest rates.

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And then they're, I don't know, they're like, did you know that mice are actually little

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people?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I know that this is in the Baltimore Sun.

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I can prove it.

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Right.

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What?

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Sure.

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Did you know the U.N. has 70 percent of America's land?

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Fine.

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No.

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Wait.

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Yes.

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Bad.

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Good?

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Did you know that they are getting rid of juries?

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Sure.

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Fine.

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No.

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Yes.

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They're getting rid of this.

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Yeah.

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So Joe tries to just reprimand Alex for being an asshole.

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Well, his inability to accept that there are things he doesn't know.

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He does have that inability.

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And I think that's fair.

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And then Alex does what you'd expect.

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He acts like a little baby.

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Yeah, that sounds about right.

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We didn't punish these terrorists before and that's why this is happening regardless.

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Now this is saying that it's definitely these, quote unquote, these terrorists.

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We don't know who it is.

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Just like in Oklahoma City, we didn't know who it is.

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Oh, we all heard it was McVeigh acting alone.

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The feds won't release the flow.

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We didn't hear that initial surveillance cameras.

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Do you remember the initial reports?

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The initial reports, they were looking for Islamic fundamentalist terrorists.

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That was the initial reports out of Oklahoma City.

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No, I know.

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I remember.

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Okay, but that's what I'm talking about right now.

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We're talking about something that happened today and you're already saying these terrorists,

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we should have done something to these terrorists.

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You even said yourself that it could have been European trying to screw up our stock

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market.

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We don't know who this is.

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Yeah, but when I said that, you laughed.

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I think that's really important.

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When a lot of the evidence...

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It's really important to admit that we don't know yet.

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When a lot of the evidence...

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That's what you don't do.

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You don't have a problem with you, my friend.

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A lot of it aims that direction.

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You don't know.

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You don't know.

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Well, you don't know.

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I guess I don't know anything.

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I'll just sit here...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'll just sit here as the black, steam-assed thugs run over me.

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These terrorists, but we don't know who these terrorists are.

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Well, let's just go ahead and give up our rights and then...

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Let's just go ahead and give up our rights and let the UN run everything and then we'll

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be all right.

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Alex, I'm not saying that.

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Fuck you.

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Jesus Christ, man.

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What a, what a petulant...

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I'm not saying that.

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...dick.

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Oh, God.

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Just the worst.

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The worst person to talk to.

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Just the worst.

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Because Joe's making a fine point and bringing back up the, like, why are you saying that

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this terrorist attack is the result of us not punishing other terrorists in the past

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when first of all, you think all of those past terrorist events are fake?

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Exactly.

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And you think the EU did this to destabilize things to roll out the euro.

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Correct.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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We need to punish the terrorists.

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You don't know anything.

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You don't know things and that's okay.

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Yeah.

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This happened today.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let's give up our freedom.

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Oh, fine.

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I'll quit.

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I'll go home.

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I'm going to take my ball and I'm going to never love America again.

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How about that?

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What I want to do is never come back here again.

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Flash forward.

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Flash forward.

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Yes.

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That's great.

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What a prick.

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God, if only Joe had stayed mad at Alex for every day since 9-11.

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That was...

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Oh, God damn it.

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Sneaky snake.

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God damn it.

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That was Joe's 9-11.

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Honestly.

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He changed him forever.

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There was an opportunity.

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Yep.

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So, Joe leaves.

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They don't leave on terrible terms.

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You know, they're still friends.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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But there's definitely a misunderstanding between them.

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There's definitely a...

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Tension.

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Did not see eye to eye.

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I would normally say it's an emotional day, but apparently for neither of these guys,

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it is.

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I think Rogan was given definitely a good bit of recognition of the loss and the tragedy.

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Okay.

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I may not have cut those clips.

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Gotcha.

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As much.

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I think it's very interesting that they had this fight on 9-11.

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This is 9-11.

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I just don't understand.

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Every time I come back to the thought like, oh, Dan, you know what we do and have done

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for a long time, surprise, Joe Rogan and Alex Jones got into a fight on 9-11, surprise.

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You know how we've done this thing for five years and the only thing that I could say

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that would really make you go, that's probably not ever possible, is Joe Rogan and Alex Jones

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got into a fight on 9-11.

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I think that's one of the wonders of this space, this entertainment space, whatever

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it is that Alex is doing is like, you can do 700 episodes of this and still be like,

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what the fuck is happening?

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What the fuck just happened?

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Yes.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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I mean, so predictably, Joe leaves.

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Yes.

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And now Alex has to take control of the maritimes.

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Got to shit talk.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Totally.

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You know, I sit there and I watched this and it's the same thing with our public.

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There are a lot of good people out there, a lot of good police, a lot of good military,

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a lot of good, you know, number one TV host, but they just can't face the system and then

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going out to dinner with Joe and stuff, he'll sit there and I know Joe is going to hear this

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tape later or is listening live right now because I know Kevin's going to post on his website

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Joe just kept saying at dinner and stuff,

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man, I know it's an act.

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I know you don't totally believe all this.

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Come on, tell me it's an act.

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And I'm like, no, this stuff's real, Joe.

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Here's the evidence, here's the evidence.

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And he just, he agrees with a lot of it,

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but he just can't go all the way.

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And that's the problem.

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Yeah, man, he just can't face it.

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It's just not man enough to face things the way that I do.

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What could you possibly get out of a relationship

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with a person like Alex

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that justifies everything that he's done?

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I mean, look, I used to,

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back when I was in college and such,

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I used to hang out with some people that maybe,

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eh, they were a little bit annoying,

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but they usually had weed.

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Maybe that's what's going on here.

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Sure, but you didn't have the weed

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that they came to you for.

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And then you were like, you're my best friend.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I mean, what, like, I can't imagine that Alex is like,

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like, interpersonally so generous and caring

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and, like, gives you the perfect birthday gift every year.

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I know!

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Like, I can't imagine what it is

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that would make somebody put up with this shit.

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Maybe if Alex had, like, pulled him

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from the bottom of a lake while he was drowning,

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I would say you get a couple of years out of that.

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Yeah, I've checked with the actuaries.

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You get six and a half years.

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Six and a half years?

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See, now that seems fine.

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Six and a half seems right.

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25 years of friendship when this happened on 9-11!

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I think that Joe probably stopped listening

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after he got off, didn't hear Alex talking shit.

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That's the basis of their friendship,

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is that Joe cannot listen to Alex.

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He is blissfully unaware of anything

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that Alex does for a living.

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Must, must be.

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That has to be almost,

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maybe there's a contract that they signed.

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The moment Alex started doing the show,

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don't ever listen, don't ask me any questions about it,

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and we're good.

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Hey Joe, our relationship is successful

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because you have just created an image

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of what I do in your head based on what you want it to be,

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and I don't penetrate that reality.

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Can you imagine if Alex had come back with,

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Joe, you do yourself a disservice

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by creating fantastic versions of the people around you,

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giving them a higher sense of value towards yourself,

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and generosity from their spirit.

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Yeah, yeah, who's doing a disservice now, asshole?

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Hey, Joe, 20 years from now,

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I'm going to threaten to gut you like a pig,

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and expose some private details about your children,

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and then you're gonna have me back on your show.

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Yup, yup, yup.

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We're gonna have a psychically abusive friendship.

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I mean, for 25 years, that's just crazy.

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Very sad.

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That's crazy.

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So, Alex takes more calls,

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and one of them is a bit confused

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about that Rogan appearance.

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Sure, oh, yes, he would be.

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Look, all I know is Joe Rogan called Kevin Muth, my buddy,

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and called me and said, I want to come on,

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and this guy's number one host on television,

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and he tells me and agrees with a lot of the stuff I say.

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We're friends.

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You know, Joe listens to the show.

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He just can't believe all this stuff.

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He believes a lot of it.

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The Second Amendment's good.

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The Fed's killed, you know, Kennedy, stuff like that.

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He just can't go all the way.

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He doesn't want to admit that his picturesque Hollywood life

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is in jeopardy.

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He's a coward.

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He doesn't want to give up the trappings of fame

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and the glitz and glamor of Hollywood.

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He wants to hold onto that.

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What?

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I mean, in Joe's mind,

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does he think that Alex is criticizing him

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in the same way that Joe is criticizing Alex

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when he says you're relying on conjecture and bullshit?

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Does Joe take that as a legitimate criticism that Alex is?

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Because that's a fucking dirty insult.

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It's horrible.

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It's a personal attack on you.

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Essentially, it's saying your character is such

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that you value material and selfish pleasures

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over saving the world.

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Yeah, it is him saying,

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listen, Joe's a nice guy, but he's a rich prick.

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That's what you're saying.

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How is that not an offensive thing to hear?

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He knows a lot of stuff,

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and he probably has a suspicion

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that what I'm saying is totally true, but...

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I mean, but even then, in your conspiracies,

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the top executives are the people doing the thing,

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and we know that Joe knows those people,

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and now you are saying that he is too much of a coward

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to stand up to them.

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Why aren't you just taking the step and going,

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he's part of the system, he's complicit.

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Well, because he'll talk to Alex.

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Because he'll keep talking to Alex.

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And for 20 years, he'll be right there,

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almost ready, but so attached to this successful life

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that he can't go full hog over the board

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and say that the devil is running things

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and we have to have a holy war.

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So we have one last clip here,

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and I think this is a good example of Alex

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doing exactly what Joe criticized him for.

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We have fought and died, so we have liberty,

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so we have an open society.

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Now we're not about to give it all up

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because somebody punched us in the nose.

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We're going to strike back whoever did it,

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and Louis, I think we know who did it, don't we?

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The New World Order.

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Oh my God.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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Yep.

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I think we know who did it.

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98% certain it's the New World Order,

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EU, Iran, Iraq, the United States government,

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Osama, whomever, whatever, Germany.

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Yeah.

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100% certain it's the New World Order.

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Yep, ending the show proving Joe correct.

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Wild.

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So.

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What a day!

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Wow.

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What a fucking...

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I don't think there's any way

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you could necessarily expect a whole lot of this.

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I think that content-wise,

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the morning show was wacky.

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Yeah.

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And all over the place.

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And then this was something.

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Ah, I just, you know,

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you can take the day off.

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Can, you can take the evening off.

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You already did a show.

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You can do it.

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Yeah.

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You can just do,

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you can just say no.

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Yep.

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You know, you have a choice.

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There's no need for you to do another three hours

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if an hour plus of it is going to be arguing with Joe Rogan.

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I...

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This is disrespectful.

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I don't even know.

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I don't know that this exists is disrespectful.

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It really is.

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That it's happened boggles my mind.

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If they had made this like 10 years later as a,

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hey, what would it be like if we did a show on 9-11?

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Right, right, right.

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I would say that is a disrespectful thing to do.

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For them to do it on, ah.

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Oh man, go Boston, go New York.

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That's what it's, Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, I mean the mind reels.

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And I don't really have anything to say.

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I think these episodes speak for themselves.

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I don't know if it's possible to sum up.

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I think that like as much criticism

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as you may give the media, which is deserved.

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A lot of it is very deserved.

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For sure.

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Nobody did a worse job than Alex.

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Alex completely whiffed on every count

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with his 9-11 coverage.

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This sucked.

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It was disrespectful.

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It was disgusting.

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The way he focused largely on the grotesque images

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of burning bodies and people jumping.

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And himself.

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The way he essentially called the people

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who died in the planes cowards

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for not taking back over the plane.

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Jesus.

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Just abhorrent behavior all around.

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The value, I think, of watching this and seeing this

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is that you do see a very concrete example

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of the beginning of that narrative.

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The bombs in the building narrative

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and you see what it's based on.

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You see the friend who becomes

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a world class structural engineer.

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Right.

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You see the Chicago Tribune article

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that's being lied about.

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You see this apocryphal local news story

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that he heard a local radio host talking about.

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Right.

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And you see these pieces, these disparate pieces

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coming together that you know five years later

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are going to be presented not as what they are

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but as the world's top structural engineer came on

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and gave me a schematic, a breakdown

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with all of the equations about how this was impossible.

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The chemical testing, all of this.

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And yeah, it's going, it's like, this is what

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Alex's conspiracies are.

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Yep.

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At core, this is what they are.

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Yep.

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They're nothing.

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It was all there in the beginning.

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Yeah.

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Yep, because there wasn't anything there to begin with.

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It's a whim.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The most real thing is probably Alex and Joe fighting.

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I mean, yeah.

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Yeah, that's the only thing that it felt like

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Alex actually gave a genuine shit about,

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being threatened.

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Yeah, being threatened with the reality

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of not knowing things.

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Yeah, with not being the person

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who's the smartest person on the show.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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So, Jordan.

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Yes, Dan.

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This has been a ride.

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It has been a fucking rollercoaster, my friend.

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But we'll be back.

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Indeed we will.

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For another episode at a later date.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight

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and I go to bed Jordan.

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Yep, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I'm Derry Brownfield.

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That's it.

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Derry Brownfield.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.