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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating

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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledgefight

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knowledgefight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys

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Shang, we are the bad guys, knowledgefight

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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Need, need money, Riddler, Riddler, Riddler

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy and

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Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas

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It's time to pray

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your work

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knowledgefight

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knowledgefight.com

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I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight

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I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are, Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today Jordan, there's a lot going on in the world

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and I don't mean to sound insensitive

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by the frivolity of this

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Sure

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But look, it's the dreamy, creamy summer

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Of course

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And I had planned this in advance

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that I was gonna have a special week

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and so this week is astronaut ice cream week

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I'm gonna be exploring the world of astronaut ice creams

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Sure

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And I have done so a little bit so far

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and I have some mixed results

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Yeah

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There is a wide

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Like space, there are a lot of mixed results out there

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A lot of nothingness and then there's a planet here

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That's it, it's a whole thing

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There is a huge gap between like a decent astronaut ice cream

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and some of it is so bad

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So I was asking for like

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Am I gonna find something that's really terrible?

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Sure

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I have some of these astronaut ice creams

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But we'll get to some of the specifics throughout the week

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But one of the reasons that I wanted to bring this up as my bright spot

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Yes

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People need to know it's astronaut ice cream week

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Yeah

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But second, I need to warn you in advance about a picture I'm gonna send you

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for the Instagram account

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Okay, alright

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It is very dumb

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It's dumb?

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And yeah, I don't want to spoil it too much

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Okay

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I think people will enjoy it quite a bit

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Okay

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So what's your bright spot?

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Excellent

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My bright spot, Dan, there's only, there can be only one answer, Dan

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Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers drops

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Kendrick Lamar

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And I can tell you right now, it is the culmination of the past hundred years of music

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Whoa

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It is incredible, there is no hyperbole that you can make about this album

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Uh-huh

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It is the teleological endpoint of the moment Scott Joplin hit the keys, man

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This is what it is

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You said the same thing about Sum 41's first album, though

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I did say that and I was proven correct

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Fat Lip does hold up

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I don't know if that was in their first album

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No, it's amazing, it's gonna be studied, picked apart for 20 years

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I've heard a lot of great things

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Everything

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I have not heard the album yet myself because I've been kind of busy with my own business

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Sure

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But yeah, I look forward to turning that on

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Incredible

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And I have a little downtime

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Yeah

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So Jordan, today we have an interesting episode to go over and actually we have someone along

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with us who might have a bright spot of their own

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Holy shit, is he behind me?

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He is

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Oh God

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So ladies and gentlemen, joining us for a very, I don't know if this has ever happened

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before

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It's never happened before

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Someone along for a full episode

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No, it's gonna be weird

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Joining us, one of the plaintiff's attorneys for Alex's Sandy Hook Lawsuits in Texas

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Mark Bankston, hello

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Hey, how you doing guys, good to be back

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Great, what's your bright spot?

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I don't know, that new Kendrick CD is pretty good

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Yeah, my description is a little bit better

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I just tagged myself as an over 40 year old

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Yeah, I'm listening to some CDs, gentlemen

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I have the physical copy of the Kendrick album

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Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I saw that on YouTube

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Come on now, you know the world's so dark right now that one of the bright spots is

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the utter collapse of crypto and how tough of a world is it where financial collapse

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is something that's your bright spot to see all the crypto bros go down

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I definitely think some good memes have come out of it for sure

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Yeah, yeah, so I mean as far as the wider world, no, there's not a lot of bright spots

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things are looking really, really tough right now but my little corner of it's looking okay

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I've had a nice little vacation because some of your listeners know I've been supposed

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to be in a trial against Alex Jones

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That's true, yeah, we were supposed to be in Texas and hanging out and that did not

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end up happening

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No, instead I went to the hill country and took my kid down the Guadalupe River

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Nice

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Yeah, I had two weeks set aside, you know, where I had to be in this trial

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Did he get back yet?

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Is he -

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You didn't just drop him off at the Guadalupe River?

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Right, yeah, he's gone, yeah, just float him on down

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Just leave him at the LBJ library, call it good

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Yeah, no, it's been a good couple of weeks but we're all just kind of sitting here

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twiddling our thumbs

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As soon as this bankruptcy stunt happened and to kind of, you know, I assume everybody

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knows what we're talking about but here but like right on the eve of the trial we're

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supposed to have the first trial that Jones is supposed to face from the Sandy Hook parents

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He engineers a strange little stunt and it was a bankruptcy stunt that did not involve

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himself or the company by which he operates his business under

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It involved some little paper entities he registered 10 years ago and he used the stunt

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to stop the trial because basically when you file a bankruptcy you get an automatic order

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from a federal court that basically just says put on the brakes, everybody stop

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And so they led us right up to that thinking we were going to go to trial, you know, just

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basically lying through their teeth the whole time and then like, you know, a few days beforehand

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Nope, we're going to bankruptcy court

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Yeah, it was so right before

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Yeah

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It was

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100%

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It has to be like the way it was so immediate, I mean like me and Jordan had like tickets

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I lost money on this

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You're fine

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Alex Jones owes me 300 unreturnable dollars

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You're fine

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But yeah, it was down to the wire and I find it very difficult to imagine that that wasn't

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like something is like, well

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Oh no, 100% I'll tell you it wasn't like I, we had a hearing on March 10th and it was

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to address a whole bunch of issues coming up in the pretrial and their new attorney

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number 11 at the time right out in front of the courthouse on break was taunting me about

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the fact of, oh yeah, we got something cooking, we got something up our sleeve and so I knew

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something was coming

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That doesn't seem cool

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That's literally what I said to him as I was like, dude, don't talk to me like you're Yoda.

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Just tell me what you're telling me, man. There's no reason to talk to me in riddles

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It is a bit like a Scooby Doo plot. Like a ghost suddenly appears outside the courthouse

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and like, we got to shut this down for two weeks.

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Yeah, it really was. It was a total caper. And then at the end you pull the wood off

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and you go, oh my God, Alex Jones, you're under the, you know? Yeah.

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It's Alex Jones under an Alex Jones mask.

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So when that happened, I kind of, I don't know anything about bankruptcy law. There's

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nothing I can do in a bankruptcy proceeding that makes my eyes glaze over. But of course,

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when you're representing who I represent and you're suing who I'm suing, the most powerful

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lawyers in the world come out of the woodwork and say, Hey, we'll do this just to do it.

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We'll be happy to do it. So I've been sitting on the sidelines where, you know, some of

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the people who've been following this have noticed I haven't been in these hearings that

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are been going on in these bankruptcy things. And it's because we have counsel who've stepped

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up to do that. So basically what Joe is joined you for this one. That was crazy. That was

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in there. We got him, we got, uh, uh, what's that guy's name? Uh, Lynn woods in there.

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And uh, Lynn man, well, Miranda giving us some advice. The pasta guy. Yeah. He's doing

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it from, he's on a prison zoom, you know, calling it from prison. No, like when, when

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seriously though, when, when, when, when you have a firm like Aiken Gump who comes to you

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and just like, it's taken care of, don't worry about it. Um, and, and for me, it was, I had

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two weeks of my life scheduled out for this. It's just all of a sudden, you know, look,

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these guys caused all sorts of inconvenience for everybody else, uh, for all the witnesses

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who were going to come for the court who was setting things up, you got to understand they

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were calling a jury pool of a hundred people had given him a questionnaire like like wheels

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were in motion. But as far as for me, they basically just handed me a big gift. They

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gave me a two week vacation. Um, I think it's probably like always been a feeling too of

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like, well, this is a, this is an inconvenience and a hassle, but this isn't going to get

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rid of the trouble for him. You know,

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That's always been the, the, I mean, look, it was from the moment the stunt happened,

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everybody knew it was a stunt. And the question was, would, would the proposal they're putting

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up be enough to make these cases go away? And any rational person knew from the start

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it wouldn't. And, and just to kind of explain to your viewers, I mean, your listeners, what

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happened here, are they watching us right now?

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Yeah, I just want to make sure nobody's looking at me right now. Um, I'm in my pajamas at

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the moment. Um, when your, your, your listeners may be familiar with, with bankruptcy from

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when the Purdue, um, pharmaceuticals went down with the opioids and the Sackler family.

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But I think plenty of them have gone bankrupt too. I would assume, you know, they could

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be familiar with it from personal.

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Let me tell you, Jordan, your own personal bankruptcy as a personal consumer, when CarMax

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is chasing you down for that, for that Ford Fiesta is very, very different than your experience

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when you're the Sacklers and you've killed a hundred million people, right? Like it's

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a just totally different experience.

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Yeah, they get away with free.

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Right. They were able to engineer what we call a subchapter five bankruptcy is by taking

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entities, which were doing nominal amounts of business, basically throwing them under

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the bus and then creating non-consensual releases for everybody else. And that means that the

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plaintiffs are brought into a room and told them, this is the money you have. Oh, and

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nobody's going to look really closely because you have third parties who are funding the

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bankruptcy.

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Like this is, this is what you got to understand when, when Purdue goes into bankruptcy, then

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there are third party sources of funding that could have been sued who are then giving Purdue

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the money to settle the bankruptcy under the table. But nobody gets to throw a lens on

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how much money is there. When Jones and his attorneys kind of saw how when that went down,

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they thought, oh, this is, this is a good idea. Let's try to do one of those. And what

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they didn't realize is they had none of the necessary ingredients to make it happen.

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They came in there with just a sham. You just can't write info Wars on a piece of paper

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and then hand it over and say, all right, that's the company. And now everything's going

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to be through that. Like that doesn't work.

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You can try.

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Yeah. You know, I got my, my main problem is that you can do that and get a few weeks

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off from your trial. I think that's a hundred percent. You can get a couple million in Bitcoin.

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No, this is all fucked.

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Everything about this is not just, there's no question about that. But if they had a

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business that had been doing even a nominal amount of commerce, they could have probably

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pulled this off. But instead they just had some paper entities and they brought them

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down there. And the first thing that happens is the judge looks at them all and goes, none

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of these people are doing any business. None of them have any assets. What are we even

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doing here? We're all heading towards a dismissal here. And we're all about to spend a bunch

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of money, make a bunch of witnesses, put a bunch of people on the stand and do all this

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stuff to unravel the Gordian knot of the silliness that they put on this court. And you're right,

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they gained some time out of it. But instead we just decided, let's just non-suit, dismiss

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our claims against the entities that don't have any assets.

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Well, you wouldn't be able to get anything out of them anyway because of that, right?

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And so if this, and here's the deal is if this was a legit bankruptcy, those entities

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would normally be swinging from the chandeliers thinking, oh great, we're off the hook. But

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that was never the point of this bankruptcy to begin with. Right. And so from Jones's

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perspective, even though the attorneys for the entities and the trustee for the entities

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of these assetless entities are happy, they're like, all right, we're closing down this bankruptcy.

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Jones on his show is screaming about how he's been denied the right to his bankruptcy, right?

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Because now all of a sudden you're in a very strange position where he took these paper

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entities, like one of which is named Info Wars LLC, pushed it to the side and separated

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it from itself. And then the moment that it had a separate and different legal interest

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than him, then all of a sudden he feels betrayed, right? He feels like the goal that he was

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going after, he can't get. And so that's what he's screaming on TV about, on a show about

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right now.

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And some of that is what we're going to talk about throughout this episode. There will

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be some complaining about that. On Friday, the news came out that the bankruptcy issue

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was a sort of moot and things would be moving forward with the case. So that's one of the,

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you know, the reason why I reached out to you and I wanted to get a bit of an update

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on it since I certainly don't speak the language of the court. And you said, Hey, how about

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we talk about Alex's show from May 8th? Cause there's some stuff that you wanted to go over

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on. And I said, Hey, why not? So that's why we're here.

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Part of the reason I wanted to do that is because people won't stop emailing me, asking

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me what the hell is going on. So maybe I can just link them to your show and we can do

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it.

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You invited yourself on our show out of spite to our listeners, not our listeners necessarily.

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Not, yeah, not necessarily. Believe me, your listeners are lovely. Your listeners actually

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give the most lovely correspondence. They're the sweetest people on the whole planet. I'm

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actually talking about mainstream media. They are annoying as hell. They are like, Oh yeah,

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they don't listen to the show, buddy.

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I got to answer the same question. Well, they're going to have to, cause I'm just sending it

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out. Listen to this. I'm not talking to you. Just give this will be your statement. I don't

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like bankruptcy to begin with. Like there's nothing about it. That's fun or anything.

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I don't like, I, the less I can talk about it, the better. So let's, let's just make

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a record of what happened here so we can get everybody up to speed.

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Nice. Well, yeah, it all seems very technical and bizarre and a pain in the ass is what

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you mean. That's just, I mean, that's what you could title the episode. That bankruptcy

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is stupid. That's the, that's the only thing we learned here today. Nobody you're going

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to find out from this story. There's no lesson here other than bankruptcy is stupid.

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If we titled things other than like just the name of the date, then I would consider it.

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But the strict policy of nondescriptive titles.

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You cannot find the episode you are looking for and that is by design. Listen to the whole

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show.

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We don't want to draw people in.

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Yes, exactly.

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With aesthetic wrinkles.

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Get as far away from our show as you can.

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Yeah. So, um, I am, I've gone over this. We've got some clips, uh, to discuss some of it

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has to do with the bankruptcy. Some of it's, uh, just stupid. Uh, but we start here, uh,

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on a note of the bankruptcy, but it's also a moment of self-reflection for Alex.

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You know, I, I, I'm a good talk show host. I'm, I'm a good TV host. I mean, I, I, I'm,

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it's an interesting, informative show and we try to empower humanity, but I've got a

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big point that I really, I'm not good at, and that is hyping something up and building

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it up.

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And so I'm just going to leave it at this, dealing with the disinformation board and

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George Soros.

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We got information two weeks ago that I mentioned on air and then days later was even in the

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associated press, but like it was a good thing. And then we got more information Friday and

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now we've gotten part of the documents and we're getting more, but you talk about racketeering,

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you talk about illegal, what they're trying to do with info wars and what has come out

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in the state courts and the bankruptcy court is unbelievable.

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It's unbelievable stuff. So he's got some documents, uh, is what I hear, uh, from him.

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Sure. I heard that. But what I'm focused on is, did he say he's bad at hyping things up?

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Well, see, I have a mixed feeling about that. I mean, I was thinking the same thing because

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that is true and also not true simultaneously. He's he does it a lot. Yes. Um, and he's good

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at getting himself to do it right. But he's tactless at it. Yes. That is poor execution.

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Yeah. Diminishing returns. Yes. Very much so. So we did hear about this on a recent

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show. Alex did say he did hint that, uh, Soros, uh, is behind his, his bankruptcy or there's

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some, there's some shady dealings. Of course. Okay. Uh, do I get it? I get it. I, I, I,

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you know, it's hard to, Oh God, this is just great stuff. We're already off to a wonderful

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start. Um, I can hear you not answering the question, sir. Yeah. Like I'm just, all you

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hear from me right now is a bunch of obfuscation, right? Um, no, this is what I hear. I think

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I hear worrying in the back of shredding documents. Yeah. Right. Okay. So here's two thoughts.

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One is whenever I hear anybody now on info Wars talk about, we have documents, quote

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unquote, all I can think about is going in and, and taking the deposition of their corporate

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representative Daria Karpova. And she brought a little folder of documents with her. And

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those documents were the most hysterical, absurd things. I can like, I came with my

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case today and it's like, here's a Wikipedia printout of the right stock fire to throw

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that false white. Here is a page from Wolfgang. How big's conspiracy website. It's like, I

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don't know what the hell they have in terms of documents, but I know two things. One,

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it's going to be really dumb. And two, they're going to have done a really bad job of reading

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whatever it is because they simply, this is how it goes every time. I think that I've

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actually worked out what the document they're talking about. Go ahead with me. Cause this

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is all hitting me. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. I think that the document Alex is talking about

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is just the letter that the U S trustee sent to the court. I think that's it. God, that's

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wonderful. It's the, it's that the government was like, Hey, come on, man. Come on. This

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is all coming down to you. He doesn't understand how civics like as a high school civics thing

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is what we're dealing with right now is why I think George Soros is involved. He thinks

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because the U S trustee sent, you made a recommendation from the court about thumbs up, thumbs down

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on this bankruptcy. Like it does. And like, like, like it's a job to do to enforce the

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bankruptcy code.

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That's the only thing I can think of in terms of like, what is a document?

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I don't know. Cause look, I heard him talking about like, Oh, Soros is behind all this.

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We know the law firms and all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, this is what I'm interested

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to hear. Right? Because up until now it has been kind of generic and it's been kind of,

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it's been thrown more at the court really recently than us because he just gets mad

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at the courts. And, and that, that bothers me. Cause I'll tell you, I'm in two minds

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of this. When I hear him go off on this stuff about Soros on one hand, I'm laughing to myself

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and I'm thinking, well, actually that's pretty good. If, if, if, if people in my jury pool

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here that he's going off about Soros, you know, that's a wonderful thing for a Travis

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County jury to hear. But I'm the other mind of it is, is I keep seeing him say this shit

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about our judge and saying all sorts of like, like really antagonistic, hostile shit about

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our judge. And, and, and I, you know, she didn't ask to be like, she's got to go and

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walk into the courthouse every day when we're having this trial. And so, yeah, like I don't

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mean, she also has the power to stop him. She's not, she's not, I mean, she could do

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shit, right? I mean, I assume that the law allows you to do shit.

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Look, man, look, I am a, I'm a lawyer who is, is currently suing somebody and trying

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to get them held legally responsible for the things they said, like their speech. But I'm

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telling you right now, if you were talking about that, that judge should do something

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to shackle his ability to talk to his audience about the circumstances of his trial and whether

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he thinks he's getting a fair trial, the moment you say, oh, well now he's crossed into crazy

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town cause he's talking about George Soros. Now you're doing something that I even believe

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is really offensive to the first amendment. I don't think the responsibility falls on

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this judge at all to enforce it. I think it falls on the counsel who is representing Alex

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Jones right now. And what I don't think a lot of people understand is they've seen a

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lot of parade of some really bad lawyers in this case. But right now, Alex Jones has been

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picked up by a new guy who's a former US attorney, a United States Justice Department attorney,

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who was an Eric Holder goon, according to Alex Jones, you know, five, six years ago.

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But now he's running the show for Alex in Texas. And that guy needs to get his house

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in order. That guy needs to get a leash on his damn client. If he wants to come and make

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a big reputation of himself representing some proto-fascist madman, the least he could do

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is try to like reign in the conspiracy theories about what's going on with our judge for fuck's

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sake. I mean, like get your house in order. And I know it's not going to happen. It's

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never going to happen. I've been, I've been pounding this drum for two years. It's never

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going to happen.

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Yeah. And it's not like there'd be a way that you could really effectively like have a gag

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order about the case without it, like kind of having blow back probably.

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Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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I think there's some really like interesting allegations that are made throughout the course

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of this, this episode. So I think, I think you'll enjoy some of these, some of these

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high, high claims that Alex makes. Here's some more about Soros for you. Not only is

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he entangled in this case against Alex, he's all over the place, man.

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Soros runs over a thousand DAs and district attorneys, county attorneys now. George Soros

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is not even hiding the fact that he runs the disinformation bureau and that they have a

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plan to basically sue tens of thousands of conservative and Christian leaders once the

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precedent set with rigged juries, with rigged courts, with default operations against infowars.

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And they admit that and have now admitted to court officials in federal court that George

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Soros is running this and is set to publicly announce he's trying to take me off the air,

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which we already knew. But that arrogance, the arrogance, the bravada, I mean, it takes

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a lot of arrogance, I would say to say to ostensibly millions of people. If you don't

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stop this trial, George Soros personally will sue you.

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What would it look like?

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Here's what I just want to say about this is that people have second guessed a lot of

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the choices that I made along the way in this case. It's been four years and every time

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I make some aggressive decision about what I'm going to do with the court, because I've

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been super aggressive in this case, it always pays off. And people were second guessing

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when I decided to send a letter to the United States bankruptcy court saying that George

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Soros is controlling all of this.

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Nobody's second guessing me now that I filed documents with the bankruptcy court saying

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that George Soros is controlling all of this. And if you fuck around, you're going to have

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to face the wrath of George Soros. That was a very aggressive card for me to play and

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not something they teach you in law school.

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So I just want to pat myself on the back a little bit of, I mean, look, I don't mean

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to be this facetious about this, but this man is literally, I think at this point, believing

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that there or not believing, but wanting his audience to believe there is a collusion between

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the United States Department of Justice, my office, people I know, George Soros, everybody

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to threaten the United States bankruptcy judge to make him not have a bankruptcy when it's

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actually the attorneys for his own company who are like, yay, bankruptcy is over. Thank

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gosh, we're getting out of here.

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That is actually exactly what he thinks. He does believe that there is a level of coordination

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that is almost comical between you and Soros. Also, just to update on this, there's about

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2,300 DAs in the entire country. So Alex Soros runs half of them. And that's amazing, especially

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considering that there's a number of states where the DAs aren't elected. So Soros would

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have to be like able to control state commissions and governors and it's a mess.

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You know, the problem I have with this is that this, the most unreasonable thing about

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this is that somebody would be such a good administrator that they would be capable of

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doing this.

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That would be outrageous.

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I mean, I would almost want somebody who is capable of pulling that off to be in power.

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What, does Soros use Asana?

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I mean, it's so good. His QuickBooks mastery is amazing.

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I mean, I'm guessing if I'm just going to be trying to like charitably figure out where

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this is coming from kind of thing, I would guess that this is some sort of calculation

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based on the number of DA candidates who received some sort of donation from some group that

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in some way has money from Soros.

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That's very generous.

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Right. Like something like that. Like maybe some, because this is how usually bullshit

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on InfoWars works, right? It's like usually like some blog, like a Breitbart blogger or

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something will try to compile the number of people who've gotten a $200 from progress

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for America or, or Americans for civil justice or something like that. And it's like, oh,

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well that's tied to Soros money. So then you, here's the list of DAs and somebody at InfoWars

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will see that. And then the story will become George Soros runs these DAs, right? Like it'll

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be something like that.

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Kit Daniels writes a hot headline.

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Right. Something exactly like that. And cause, cause hey, Alex told me to write this headline,

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George Soros runs these DAs offices. But in this case, what's weird about these comments

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that he's making is it seems like he's seen something. He's seen some document or set

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of documents or some filing or pleading that has made his, his brain like malfunctioning

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in this way.

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I'm going to be honest with you. He always seems like this. This is regular ass shit.

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This is not exciting at all. This is very boring. There's nothing behind it. He's riffing

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his ass off.

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Mark, I understand that you're looking for connections, man. You're somewhat personally

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involved in the story that Alex is telling. So that probably makes things different.

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Right. Because then that's, it just makes it funny because I just want to know what

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document it is because I guarantee you it's going to be hilarious. What document made

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him lose his, loses marbles over this. And I just don't know what it is yet.

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This may be the kind of thing that ends up driving you crazy because I would bet dollars

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to donuts. There is no document. I would bet you documents to donuts.

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I can tell you this. You remind me a lot of Dan in the early days. There's gotta be something

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there. I bet if I search hard enough, I'll find this document. He used to get so excited.

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You know, the joy in his voice was palpable. And over the years he's realized that literally

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every time it's going to be a rug pull, Lucy's going to pull that fucking football away and

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down you go.

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So I'm going back to the 2003 trying to chase that high again. I think that your theory

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Mark is, is interesting that it's like some sort of a misrepresentation of things, but

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I think it's even simpler. I think it's just that Jose Garza is the Travis County DA. And

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he, when he was running in the last election cycle, did get some donations from Soros

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Alliance. So I think it's just that it's just that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, that's the sound.

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That's the tone of voice.

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It seemed to me too, is that, is that the extremely routine action of a United States

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trustee for a bankruptcy proceeding, filing a recommendation with the court, yay or nay,

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that that extremely routine action absolutely fried Jones's circuits because I use something

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about that.

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Come on, man. You're saying it's totally routine. I actually have some information here that

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might put this in a different context.

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Okay.

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It's just unbelievable. It makes me proud of who I am. It makes me really, really proud

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of all of you. So I'm going to wait till the lawyers are ready to green light it, but I

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already told you part one of it a couple of weeks ago. And the lawyer said, don't get

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into much detail. Just if you want to mention it, mention it. But I said, the justice department

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called up the federal court and the trustees in our limited bankruptcy and said, the head

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of the justice department and the president as policy says, you must kick out his bankruptcy.

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And this is basically an order. It is the policy of the U S government. Like I was a

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foreign country because the executive can only do that with foreign countries. They

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can't do it with a citizen.

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Yeah. Doesn't sound so routine now, does it?

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Yeah. Yeah. Biden called up Soros on behalf of Soros, right? Right. Right. Naturally.

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I was like, Hey man, we got to get this shit done. Okay. Because only the executive can

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do this. All right. It started, it went all the way up the flagpole and then all the way

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back down again. It literally goes all the way to the top. It does. Well, I mean, so

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I don't know, like, let me break it down as simple as possible. What, what the United

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States trustee for this region of Texas did so that you can understand what he did. So

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you can understand what we're talking about here. InfoWars LLC and the other entities

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that are on paper filed a bankruptcy petition for a small business bankruptcy saying, Hey,

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we want to use a bankruptcy for businesses that conduct a little business, but not a

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ton of business is basically this category. And then after they did it, the United States

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trustee filed what's called schedules. Schedules show what the entities hold, what business

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they do, what the revenue is, what they actually have. And the schedules they filed said, we

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ain't got squat. We don't have anything. We have no assets. Zero. We got nothing. We don't

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do business. And they've always said we don't do business. And then the United States trustee

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files a brief goes, I'm not sure that this, this bankruptcy is appropriate for sub chapter

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five because they don't appear to do any business because they said they didn't do any business.

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So we're not sure this is appropriate. I don't appreciate their accommodating tone.

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The answer is fuck you. Well, what I don't appreciate is Mark leaving out the step where

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Biden gets involved. Yeah, that's true. Right. Exactly. Right. Right. But I mean, I mean,

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that's, that's the, that's the thing here is that, is that it's, it's, it's revealing

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to me to, to, I hear what y'all are saying when y'all think that Jones thinks in his

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mind, there's these labyrinthine conspiracies and he's all of this. I still to this day

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believe that Jones just thinks that anytime he can take something and twist it to make

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it that he's a persecuted victim of some sort of U.S. government conspiracy, he'll do it.

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And I think he knows damn well that this was a, a, a, a, a stunt where they tried to do

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a double back flip and landed on their face. I think that he knows that. Yeah. Yeah. A

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hundred percent. I think I agree with that. And it's, and it's sick. It's so sick to me

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to that. He is absolutely priming up that audience. I mean, I'm, I'm, the more I hear

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it right now, like I'm just, he knows what's coming. He knows that there's going to be

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a public trial and like, so what's his one last option left? Like start this crap and

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it's going to get worse as to, I don't know. It's funny because like the last option seemed

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to be like this bankruptcy, hail Mary. And then it turns out, ha ha, no, now I'm being

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screwed out of my own bankruptcy is like, there's always another hat that he's got to

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put on. It's, it's pretty, I mean, if it wasn't so annoying and evil, I think it would be

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pretty remarkable.

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Yeah. I, you know, he does say he needs to get a green light from his lawyer. So I definitely

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want to encourage that to happen. Um, go ahead. Give the Greek, give the green light guys,

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whatever the hell it is. Like, I'd like, well, I finally got that million dollars to pay

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that bounty on a judge that I called for last time. So I got the green light from my lawyer.

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He was on Chris Matty. He was a lawyer and not a judge.

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Apologies.

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I mean, like, here's the thing though, is Jones is on notice. He knows that the FBI

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had to get involved because there were people making threats against the judge in Connecticut

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on, on his website. He knew that. And that's been in orders of the court. He, he's known

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about down here in Texas. There've been people making threats online about the judge. And

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we, we've had conversations with the courts about that. Like he absolutely knows the environment

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that he's created. And that's, to me, look, of course, Jones is going to do that. I'm

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a hundred percent. I know that's going to happen, but, but the more I hear these kinds

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of things, the more I just cannot stand the kind of attorneys who would stand by and let

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this happen.

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I think you have to look at this from a different perspective. And that is that Alex is a job

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creator. A lot of these FBI agents who are having to provide security for these judges,

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right? Um, you know, now they get a paycheck.

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Do you want them out on the street protecting the, like the, the houseless? No, of course

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not. You want them rich and powerful people.

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This wasn't a good attempt on my part to try and make a joke. Uh, I recognize that it is

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the truth. It isn't because, because when you're a Texas state judge, look, you've got

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the bail-ups in that building. That's that's who protects you. If you've got credible,

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actionable intelligence against you, you've got the Texas Rangers to, to go investigate

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something that, and that's it. There's, there's nobody coming to protect you. And in this

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particular courthouse, cause they're kind of in an older courthouse, there is no secure

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way to enter the building. Right. Like, and this is, they all know that this has all been

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discussed. Right. And, and the, the more that Jones creates the impression that the entire,

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not just look, if he wants to say that I am like, you know, involved in some sort of Bohemian

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Grove conspiracy with George Soros, I don't care. I don't just keep whatever. But the

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fact that he keeps directing it at these courts, because what I think I'm hearing him say in

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these clips is that a U S bankruptcy judge is in on this conspiracy and like, fuck you.

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That's the last person in the world. You can actually get in on the conspiracy. That is

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a, a, that's just insane. I mean, if you want to look at the points

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of this conspiracy, we got Soros, we got Biden, we got Merrick Garland and the entire DOJ.

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Yeah. But you got the bankruptcy judge. We have the U S trustee. We have Mark, we have

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the lawyer. It's pretty much, uh, I mean, what's great about it. What's great about

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it. Once again, not us. We're not mentioned anywhere. Just left out of it. We would play

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into the conspiracy. God damn it. We know you. Oh, well, what are you going to do? One

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day we'll get mentioned. I hope so. Someday doubt it or not. So, uh, Alex does mention

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the trustee letter and that's, this is, this next clip is one of the reasons why I kind

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of think that, uh, that's mostly the document that he's talking about. I'll see what you

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all think. And so I said that on here, we have the documents,

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everything. Now I'm going to do a whole report on it soon and build it up because it's huge

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national news, international news. And then this new thing, I have the name of the law

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firms, the documents, Soros, the money, everything. And we're just going to really put together

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a powerful articles and reports and put it out very, very soon. So soon. But if you want

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to see, but I was someone earlier, just type in justice department opposes Alex Jones's

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bankruptcy. You ever heard of a justice department getting involved in my access to the federal

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courts? Yeah. Cause I can't find all these show trials and all these lawsuits anymore.

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So I say, okay, we'll do an emergency reorganization. That's not what you did. That shows you how

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scared they are. You're not scared. So scared. I hear your fear. That's what I hear from

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you. Yeah. I like the pretending that his bankruptcy attempt was sincere though in the

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reorganization of his business. Exactly. His conclusion here though, is that he should

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be able to reach the other conclusion of that as well, which is when you ask the question,

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have you ever seen the justice department intervene in a bankruptcy trial? The answer

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is that's how much of an asshole you are. Sure. And I don't, I don't know that the answer

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is no, because isn't the U S trustees part of the department of justice? Isn't that their

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job? I mean, look, yeah, he kind of has an independent service to that bankruptcy court,

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which is to, to act as a, um, a neutral third party observer. Who's only duty is to the

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bankruptcy code itself. Right. And so he, he's not like, it's interesting. He's not

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like the solicitor general at the Supreme court, right. Who is there to argue the government's

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position policy wise as to a certain outcome of a decision. He is there to try to argue

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what the government's position is as if he was representing the bankruptcy code itself.

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And to, to make recommendations as to whether, I mean, he, he's almost like a briefing attorney

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for the court itself. Hey, I'm, I, we have a lot of expertise in the bankruptcy code.

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We're going to try to give our neutral position on what the bankruptcy code says. Um, it,

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it, it, it, it, there's no doubt that the position that the U S trustee took in this

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case was aggressive for the U S trustees normal position because again, that's how much of

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an asshole he is. Right. Because this bankruptcy was a sham from the start. But look, the problem

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is, is that everybody kind of, the reality is, this is why I say bankruptcy is stupid

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is everybody kind of knew that everybody knew that the point of the bankruptcy was stupid.

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That's not what it was actually for. And this isn't frowned upon. This isn't frowned upon

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in the bankruptcy world. What this was was a stop of all the trials. And if it hadn't

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been done on the absolute Evo trial, it might not have even been that dirty, but to stop

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all the trials and then basically have a settlement offer that is almost a compelled that everybody

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has to stop, take a breath and look at it and see if you're going to accept it. And

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the way they do that is trap you in that bankruptcy court for a little while for a couple of weeks,

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couple, maybe even a couple months, depending on how much discovery gets to be done. But

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the problem here is that they did that. And then their plan funding agreement was absolutely

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ridiculous. They basically wanted every one of these plaintiffs on all of the cases to

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walk away with a couple hundred thousand dollars. And, and to do that on the, on the assurance

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that Jones would in the future, continue to contribute funds to a bankruptcy settlement

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over the year, which means basically like you, you've got to let Jones go out there

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and be a proto-fascist madman and let him make money so he can give it to you in the

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future all at the same time. Look, here's the problem with all of this. We know, we

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know for a fact that there is $25 million that Jones has sitting in a family trust.

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We know for a fact that there is PQPR who now claims 50 free speech already owes $53

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million to, and has been collecting all sorts of money, been paying it $11,000 a month for

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all this damn time. Like we, there, there is, there is a person who has all of this

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money and doesn't want to expose it to a federal bankruptcy court, doesn't want to go into

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proceedings and wanted to make that offer. And when that fell apart, everybody knew from

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the start it was done, but yeah, they got to disrupt their trial and then who the hell

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knows what comes next. But none of this, absolutely none of this had to do with some sort of nefarious

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play in the bankruptcy court or even Jones losing. This was a, Hey, will you take this?

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Oh no, I guess we're done. That's it. That's the whole damn thing. And to have Jones spinning

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this like it's a you know, part of this whole coordinated thing that I don't know. He's

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been real apocalyptic recently between this and the Roger Stone thing.

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Well, you know, he's, he's apocalyptic on some days. And when he gets a million in Bitcoin,

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a little less nice here. Yeah. Yeah. His mood brightens a little bit whenever he gets a

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million dollars randomly from a mysterious anonymous donor.

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It's a nice day. Yeah. That was me. I just want to be upfront. That was me. I transferred

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that money to his wallet. I just felt like both sides of the game as usual things out,

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you know, I just thought this was a little high again. I smelled it coming. I knew crypto

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was about to crash. I just wanted to offload the shit out of it. I get a tax write off

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actually. So it's all really good. Again, this is a bold move. They don't teach at law

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school. You got another one. Give Jones all your Bitcoin and then have a crush.

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Just to be all again, upfront, I actually made a call to George Soros and asked him

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to make Bitcoin crash. And he said, yes. So that's why we're in the situation we're in.

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So the, the in that clip there, the the, when he said like the DOJ opposes the bankruptcy,

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that's what I was talking about earlier. That is an article about the trustee letter. So

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here's the deal is he says the new stuff, right? He talks about this bankruptcy stuff.

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There's law firms, Dan, there's law firms, and he's got the names. There's going to be

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powerful articles. We see how that shit works. Kid Daniels is already tapping away on it,

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which is interesting. Cause he used to say, if you can't get an article out in 24 hours,

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there's no point in writing it. That was his whole position. But no, I've always, ever

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since you've had that episode and suddenly it hit me like a lightning bolt while listening

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to your thing on that of like saying, no, you can't, the shooting by that point, you're

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talking about following up on a story. It's like seven days old. Nobody cares about a

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seven day old shooting. I'm like, why the hell are you talking about Sandy hook in 2015

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then 2017, like none, like the excuse that they use for that was so hysterical to me.

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But the idea that right now there is somebody in infowars having to tap out a story about

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what this big thing, I, I hope it comes out. I don't know what, I mean, like, again, I'm

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up two minds on one hand. I'm hoping it comes out. Cause I know it's too late. I don't because

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people are still on it. I hate to say this to you. You're not going to be happy. So many

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sour grapes over the course of this podcast. I can't imagine this being satisfying in any

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way, but we do wish you the best and there won't be a season two of Firefly. Come on.

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I know you're going to do it. So, uh, we're going to jump off the lawsuit, uh, situation

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for this next clip. This is a, this is a fun clip where Alex comes in from break and he

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also wishes everyone a happy mother's day. Newtonian physics teaches us that for every

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action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Is that just evil in the universe? There is

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good. And I am extremely blessed and honored to be with this amazing crew and all the viewers

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and listeners tonight on mother's day in defense of the human family and our attempt to carry

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out God's will. Yeah. I would love that music, uh, behind like, he's like talking about Newtonian

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physics. I would just love if that was behind me. I'd be like, so Katoa tells us that the

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sign of a triangle is equal to the opposite over the hypotenuse ball. Archimedes says,

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if you get in a bad stuff will happen. Yeah. Yeah. Just nice science lessons about physics

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and stuff over a hot beat. It'll be great. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. He's like, I know

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y'all probably heard that Alex Jones folk music remix and all of that where he's doing

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the folk song and they complex feelings about that. I don't know. Has anybody ever said

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that to us? I'm telling you right now. Um, um, listening, listening to Alex Jones over

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deaf punk is creepy as shit. God, that's dystopian. That is weird. And even he's talking about

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mother's day over deaf punk Tron soundtrack. And I'm like, I don't know everything about

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that's creepy. I appreciate that you can pick out what that is because I can never tell

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I can never tell what most of his music is. I just don't have as good of a, uh, sort of

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roll the decks in my head, but that 90s hip hop from St. Louis makes multiple songs from

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the Tron to soundtrack that he uses as bumper music. So that's fun. I'm telling you that,

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that, that soundtrack is, is astonishing. I mean, I'm a fan and I just want to take

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a detour for a second to say that like every deaf punk album is its own thing, but that's

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a fucking music score. God damn, that thing is good. I have, I'll admit I'll out myself

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on more than one occasion, played that entire soundtrack to tap out a brief or some shit.

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That is some excellent focused mind music, but then to hear Alex Jones perverting it

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in that. So, Oh no, the beauty of the Tron soundtrack. You will never listen to the Tron

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soundtrack again. I've watched a lot of Owen Schroyer clips over the years and I've noticed

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he's really partial to imagine dragons, which totally tracks a hundred percent tracks for

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Owen Schroyer. But with Jones, it's weird how you can actually chart the departure of

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different key crew members by how the soundtracks over the years. It's really funny. And when

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he was like fully in control, it was like a bunch of this old country, like Amarillo

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by morning. Oh yeah. We used to listen to the highwaymen every day during the 2015 investigation.

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It was nonstop. Uh, yeah. And also, uh, Harrison, Harrison Smith on the American journal. He

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plays some wild music. Right of the Valkyries. He's a big Wagner guy. There's more like a

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lot of shockingly modern kind of stuff. It's very bizarre. Um, so this next clip, uh, Alex

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gets into talking about abortion rallies and how he goes and he sees demons at them, which

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we know he is not changing his tune. Now that this, uh, Supreme court decision, uh, opinion

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has been leaked. I first 25 years ago, I have a friend named George Woolley, who's a big

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pro-life Catholic activist. And he said, why don't you just not criticize abortion on air?

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Why don't you come out and see it for yourself? So I went out to play in parenthood probably

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15 times or so, done it more than that since then. And people would walk up and say, Satan,

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look at the children off camera and sometimes on camera. And I'm going to have black people

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walk up to me, particularly even black people worked around there. They'd say, nobody wants

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these black babies. You're going to take some, we don't get rid of these bad people.

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The death they were in. And then over the years, when I say hundreds, thousands of times,

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hell, Owen caught it hundreds of times. The three hour report he put out just yesterday.

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Yeah. So apparently Owen was out, uh, at a, uh, at a rally pro choice rally and he caught

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hundreds of instances of people being demons and hissing about how no one wants black babies

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and carrying books by Harriet Beecher Stowe around apparently Jesus Christ. Yeah. I feel

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like if, uh, if this stuff was really accurate in any way, which I don't think it is, I'll

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just be clear about that. If it was Alex would not have the exact same examples for 20 fucking

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years on his show. Yeah. There would be new stories that aren't exactly the same as the

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ones he was telling in like 2000. So weird. They haven't changed up their tactics, Stevens.

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That's the problem with true. It's very old school. I mean, they've been around for several

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thousand years. I wouldn't be surprised if there's like, it will happen from time to

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time that, that some, um, either, either person going into Planned Parenthood or defending

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Planned Parenthood from counter protesters from religious fundamentalists will troll

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them by like throwing up about like Gene Simmons tongue and the way that it was described by

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Jones in this clip is like, so I don't know that the pathology of like his, his interior

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fantasy mind is an interesting place. It is a terrifying place, but it is an interesting

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place. It is. I've never seen somebody who reveals themselves on their sleeve so much.

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It's it's, it's really hard to tell how much of it is sincere and it is like his perceptual

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distortions of like the things that he's taking in is stimulus and how much of it is kind

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of just like storytelling and like lying like he usually does regular old line. Yeah. I

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don't know how much of it is like dramatization of stuff that he's doing intentionally and

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how much is like, you know, he sees demons hissing at him. I feel like I've had an epiphany

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about Jones recently. So like cue up the holy angelic music or whatever, but like, yeah,

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Sean soundtracks, a track to go and put that on the grid. I feel like I've always struggled

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with this idea of, of first it was this Jones believe what he say, does he not believe what

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he say? Does he ever w what it's the package of this is Jones figured out there's a, there's

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a basic rough approximation and that if you, if you contain in whatever you're talking

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about, about at least about 25% of the truth, you're free to run as wild as you fucking

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want. He's long as you've got that core nugget of 25% truthfulness, some sort of thing, an

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anchor that you can anchor all the bullshit onto. You can fly that kite as fucking far

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as you want with no accountability. But the moment you lose that 25% of fucking core truth,

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you are toast in that is Sandy hook. That is the lesson he learned. And unfortunately

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that's why, why just learning that lesson will never stop him. He has to be forcibly

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stopped because he learned the lesson that if you go that far into bullshit, if you're

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that easily toppled as a house of cards, you're going to get into trouble. But if you always

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have that buddy, buddy, buddy, if you think he learned anything, you're going to be disappointed.

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I think that I might agree with Jordan, but I also, I think that conceptually, I agree

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with you that like, you have to have some anchor to reality and then you can just run

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wild with nonsense. But what I would disagree with is 25% number. That seems very generous.

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That is generous. It reminds me of the kid Daniel's deposition. When, when bill asked

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him to rate his article on a scale of one to 10 and he's like, ah, I think a two and

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bill's like, really a two you got it. And kids like, yeah, no, there were some mistakes

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in it. So I think it builds like, no, you've got to, to overestimation of where the, and

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I do think you're right. Maybe that number is like at about five.

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You find a news article that has one thing and then, and then that gives you the tether

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to which appearance of 5%. Yeah. But yeah, I don't think he has learned his lesson as

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much as we would like to think. I think, I think that maybe some of the lessons are there.

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I think that's probably not devoid of lessons, but I think, well, these clips we're listening

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to would lead me to suggest that maybe, no, he has not. So just maybe don't say defamatory

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things about non-public persons. Maybe that's the lesson that he's learned.

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Here's what I will say, Mark. Here's something that I think you will be very happy about

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is I've put it at probably an 80% chance that he implies Sandy Hook did not happen

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at the trial. So he's going to do it again. So it's going to be even better on the stand.

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No, that's the wonderful thing. And I think a lot of people don't get that about depositions,

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right? Is they just think it's like, Oh, it's just like testimony at trial, but it's in

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a depth. No. And, and, and we've done a lot of strange things in deposition and it's because

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that testimony is never to be played at trial when it's the defendant themselves, right?

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You're not playing that testimony, but it locks them the fuck in. So, so you're right.

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He has to either one way bite that or not, either he has to come to trial and say, yeah,

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there's still, I, yeah, Sandy Hook. Or I've locked you in what you're testifying now is

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not what you just testified to that Sandy Hook, you know, like you're, you're kind of

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fucked at that point. You're locked into it. He's going to do that.

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He has to argue that there are still anomalies. Totally. He's going to be, he's going to be

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like, did you, Oh, listen, okay. Cooper's nose. And then it's just going to fall apart.

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There's going to be balloons that fall from the ceiling. People are going to be popping

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poppers. Like he did it. Yeah. You're, you're still acting under this assumption

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in this world where Alex Jones is going to show up to his trial and testify. And those

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are two assumptions. One after another that I'm not sure he's just waiting for his day

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to clear his name in court. Once he's there, because I keep hearing this of like, Oh, they're

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just afraid for the evidence to really come out. What evidence are you fucking talking

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about?

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Laura to be like, Oh, you're going to suddenly blow the lid off Sandy Hook 10 years later.

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Like fuck you. Like, what are you literally talking about?

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Soros is really afraid. Yeah. I honestly think one of the big reasons they pulled this bankruptcy

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stunt and stopped this trial is because they were all just staring around at each other.

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Like the moment is finally here and had no fucking idea what they were going to do in

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that courtroom. None. And so they were like, well, we can do this. That buys us another

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little time. Well, uh, getting back, getting back to our episode, cause we're going to,

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we have, uh, as you probably know, Mark already, and I'll spoil this for Jordan, we got Bobby

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Barnes coming up in a little bit. So we'll talk more about the actual case. Uh, but we

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have to skip a side a little bit cause Alex was talking about the abortion protest. Yes.

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And that was kind of some of his way of talking about some, some of his religiosity. Sure.

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Certainly. Sure. Um, and he says this, and I think that this is actually a kind of a

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rebuttal of his, the notion that he's kind of tolerant about people who are, have different

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religious ideas than him.

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And so you don't want to be turned into these creatures. You don't want to deny the connection

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of the infinite because when you deny God's spirit and God's open hand, you then accept

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by choice, all that rejected God. And that's not a spiritual group you want to be associated

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with. You do not want to be with that. You want to say no and you want to take God in.

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Yeah. So if you, uh, you know, if you don't agree to join up with God as Alex defines

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it, uh, you have chosen, uh, by, by, uh, by will to be a part of demons. Yeah. If you

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don't join up with Alex's specific brand of lunatic Christianity, then you accept

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responsibility for every other problem that's ever happened. It certainly doesn't paint

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a good light in terms of like, uh, being able to live in a pluralistic society where people

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have different religious beliefs. It seems like you would be defining every other religion

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as being a rejection of God. Sure. No, I mean, yes, you do walk by, say a mosque in your

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city and you claim that all that goes on in there is demonic worship, but that doesn't

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mean you can't hang out with them. I think Alex is a short jump away from not hanging

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out with him. He might be a short jump away. You're, you're probably right on that one.

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That's not good. Yeah. That's trouble. I don't want to be critical, but I've never heard

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two guys sitting around talking more revealing themselves as being out of touch with the

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doors of the infinite, just like Mr. Johnson. That's true. I was successfully sued in the

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courts of heaven. It was brutal. My hang up with any cult leader is like, you're acting,

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you're out here acting like I ain't messing around with the infinite and the doors of

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perception. Like, you know what? Yeah. You don't know what you're talking about, Alex.

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Like he, like the idea of here's like, cause this shit actually flows off the tongue from

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Rogan right back when Rogan was in his prime and he was, he was really like being an utter

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freak or not. Like, cause that's, what's so strange about Jones's new televangelism term

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is that it seems to combine a bunch of like new age stores of perception BS with a lot

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of like the high place of the kingdom of heaven. Like he, he, he's basically equating, um,

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um, his, his own religious, you know, thing with, with Joe Rogan doing DMT or some stuff

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like it is really weird to me to hear this shit from Jones.

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It's almost like a Christian identity zealot, uh, read a bunch of science fiction novels

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when he was a kid and he thinks they're real. Yeah. That sounds about right.

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Yeah. I mean, look, everybody's been telling me that if this man gets chased off the media,

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he's going to make a hard right turn into L Ron Hubbard. I'm like, look, he's already

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had that kind of gig. He's already been heading that direction for years.

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I don't, I don't know how different that would be, uh, honestly. I mean, he already has a

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role. It looks like. Yeah, exactly. So, uh, in this next book, we get a, an update on

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some media. Uh, I don't know if you are somebody who keeps up with, uh, former members, uh,

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cast members of Saturday night live. Sure. Which ones? Uh, Mike Myers, Mike Myers. Uh,

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no, I don't really keep up with him. I'm more of a, uh, uh, uh, leg or a, like, I'm an Ellen

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Clay. You're going to say a fog horn, like a fog horn, leg horn guy. Um, I know what

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he's about to talk about and I, I caught that on Netflix. My, my wife and I watched that

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the other night for the first time and and he did a bunch of characters and i'm going to tell you

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the show in a hole wasn't great but god damn that couple minutes was something else so i'm excited

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to hear what alex's reaction is to that i'm i'm excited to hear your review after this clip

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mike myers has got a new movie out and it's also on netflix i got a bunch of calls about it called

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the pentabra making fun of the illuminati they attached me quite a bit in the movie and i thought

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we would just show how desperate these folks are so they're real desperate uh absolutely he plays

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a clip of it and it you know it's mike myers playing this uh this alex jonesy character

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before we go into that when he says the folks are so desperate he is he talking about mike myers

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and the cast of and the crew and the producers of that show is he talking about me or is he talking

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about both of us oh under george soros like it's all of us together you betcha i just want to if

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i'm getting credit here for this show i just want to be yeah you're part of the conspiracy that now

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involves mike myers yeah yeah absolutely if i had any hand in getting the show made that's man it's

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cool because for a check if i'm in an evil conspiracy and mike myers shows up i'm like oh

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fuck it's the wrong mike myers i was looking for the i was looking for the one with the the sword

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and shin if mike myer shows up uh we're doing some sort of nefarious plan i would say get in my

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conspiracy

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well i mean we had a good run on this show yeah i think we did it so i i'm glad that you've

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watched this mark because i haven't and my thought when i heard this this clip was like

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i study this kind of stuff and i didn't even know this existed yeah like i i don't know if this is

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the big broadside attack that alex thinks it is and i think that it's more just that he's really

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easy to make fun of yeah it's flattering if you think about it it's like it's acknowledgement of

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his cultural icon status i mean it's obviously pejorative but on some level like any any sane

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sort of like like if this is tucker carlson he he loves it he laughs it off on his show but not

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jones this is an attack by the jones yeah like this and like j jonah jameson and the spider-man

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like it is exactly there's a recognition of like how he's that translates to people like they get

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this as a thing yeah very clearly fucking hates this stuff though i don't know if you remember

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during all my depositions he used to just obsess about homeland to show nobody even watches anymore

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and they had this homeland characters jalek shows it was some really broad bad imitation but like

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he was obsessed that this is some deep state thing to demonize like nobody fucking cares this is some

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dumb ass writer in california who's like let's put an alice jones character on there but it's

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not doctor i think that he was obsessed with that for a little while yeah and it's it's flattering

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come on like i think he claims that he's the basis of the x files he is both x files uh both x and

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files yeah wonderful so and as promised earlier uh we have uh an old buddy yes showing up it's

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someone i believe mark you've actually been uh in a room with uh that of course is bob barnes

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good work i'm gonna be in there i mean like look my my my universe has not stopped crossing with

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bob barnes i'll be in the room with him in the future shortly so um please do not give him our

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best he is it's interesting because he is he departed off of this case in a hurry he skedaddled

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really quick once he got in some hot water but it's it's funny because somehow he became back

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in jones graces despite the fact that jones's corporate representative testified that they're

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considering suing barnes for malpractice along with marker and anza it's like i don't think

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barnes knows this so maybe i'm i'm telling tells out of school nobody going to bomb barnes

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who can be found at barnesllp.com i'm pretty sure but like it don't go tell him that like they're

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threatening to sue him for malpractice while he's being on the show in fact what's funny is if you

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look at the infowars lc bankruptcy assets that they claim one of the few assets that they do claim

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they have is a potential malpractice claim that hey we might get money in the future because we

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might sue our lawyers for how badly they bungled um this case and it's funny because so barnes got

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the hell out and i think he thought he was free with me but the interesting part is is i got

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involved in the case where day where tucker carlson's daily caller had done a a years-long

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um um defamation smear scheme against some some pakistani it workers in the house basically trying

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to frame them this was the dnc hack this is the uh ron the uh washerman schultz is that yes the

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washerman schultz was and what's so funny about this is unless you're like a following fan of this

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show or like a hardcore into following right-wing conspiracy stuff you don't know who emran r1 is

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you have no idea who that is but if you follow like right-wing media if you've got right-wing

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twitter accounts you've got dan bajingo ben shapiro all that you know exactly who that is

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i know a while back too yeah that was yeah it's interesting he was he i think he was a little

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careful on that partially because at that time the the people who were pushing like regnery publishing

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and and salem and and daily caller and some of the people who were pushing reporting by a guy

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named luke rosyak were trying to be a little more of the highbrow high class in full force and they

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were a little bit in conflict of each other they didn't run in quite the same circles so they didn't

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yeah it was a very pretentious info wars so i got involved in that case we sued daily caller we

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sued salem and regnery and then we also sued the reporter this guy who wrote this book about them

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and did all the reporting this guy's name luke rosyak well daily caller actually kind of at that

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point had soured on rosyak or something they didn't want to represent him or for whatever reason

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and so surprise surprise when i get a notice of appearance from old bobby barnes representing luke

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rosyak in this case and we just defeated defeated the anti-slap motion in that case so we're about

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to start taking discovery so in a very short timeline i'm going to be back in a room with

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bob again could you say could you say good work barnes to him and see if his eyes go sad

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boy it's bill and him are really the ones who really got into it in deposition and and he'll

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use that as a real good strategy because barnes was there to look good he was there for publicity

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you take that away from him his motivations in the case evaporate let me ask you a quick question

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here about barnes in person off mic does he ever stop talking yes yes because on the mic he will

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string 30 fucking sentences together without without ever taking a pause now just doing these

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aggressive breathing look i'm not going to be one who talks shit about that because listen to me on

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your show i never shut the fuck up i just talk and talk and talk and talk but what's interesting

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about barnes is he was so we had a moment where he he had been saying a bunch of shit about me on air

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on info wars because i just take a jones deposition jones had unsuccessfully he had failed in he

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neglected to get that sealed and so i published it online way back in 2019 and and everybody was

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glowing about it at the time and barnes was pissed as hell so he got bound on jones's show and said a

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bunch of shit about me and and a lot of it was really like arguably could put me in danger right

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and so i confronted him about it in the courtroom i'm like look you come in here you want to play

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this big show and have a bunch of fun on info wars do what you want but but take my name out your

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fucking mouth man like i ain't yeah george sure will say fund the suit like me and kyle funded

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the suit like this is funny money to us this is not a big thing like take us out of this and he

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and he was so demure and he's such a passive kind of shrinking violet in person until you finally

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push him long enough and he has a little freak out and he runs out of the courtroom yelling

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but it's weird how his personality he is so conflict averse person to person he's like this

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big he's like the kool-aid man on info wars like you'd think he's like like he's ready to bust

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through walls and shit and like are you telling me that robert barnes is a coward who hides behind

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a tv screen in order to say things that he would never have the courage to say to somebody's face

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that's crazy to me well i look whether he is or not yeah we only have him today behind a tv screen

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true so we may only hear blustery stuff so we may we may just need to get ourselves in that sort of

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state of mind get ourselves ready to deal with barnes as a blustery blowhard right all right

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i'm putting myself i'm yeah mindsets ready i got my does that mean you belong to the city first

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no okay we will enter the headspace of infowars barnes um here's alex given giving him an

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introduction and we'll see what uh what he wants uh to discuss uh as this uh this uh interview

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begins this is an incredible time in history robert barnes and and i haven't talked to you since

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earlier today and texting did you come on and i just said just please come on because you can

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obviously talk about all these issues you're just like i am and our listeners are your got your head

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in the game what do you want to hit on first what is most important i think it's a great premiere

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the film 22 000 mules i think that details what we talked about all the way back in atlanta georgia

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in november of 2020 yeah so he doesn't actually immediately want to talk about any of alex's legal

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trouble which you kind of assume is why alex texted him is like i need you to get what you would

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think yeah no i want to talk about what the fuck is what is 20 000 mules what the fuck is that

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uh it's dinesh jesus's new uh just stupid i don't care okay it's his new dumb documentary about how

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they used like geolocation data to prove that uh two thousand people were responsible for dropping

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off a ton of ballots oh okay there's all kinds of like really obvious flaws in the way that they're

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just putting together an argument in denisha susa's documentary they're obvious fucking flaws

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he has such a good track record according to alex it would have been a really great documentary if

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they just uh put the camera on them trying to stack 2 000 mules on top of each other that'd

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be incredible yeah how would you do that would you get bigger platforms like i don't know the

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weight would be insane yeah i'm just like like having to want like being fed to noush dinesh

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de suza documentary on the recommendation of alex jones is the most human caterpillar shit i can

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possibly imagine like that is especially no let's move on from that for most of his career i i'm

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pretty sure alex would have been staunchly opposed to dinesh just as a matter of course yeah it's

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like a mainline conservative hack strange strange bedfellows is an understatement for the

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transformation of that fucking party man because there's some weird shit going on i feel like as

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soon as you get a uh pardon from trump you're uh you're in you got the pass approval god uh okay

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so all right so yeah that doesn't want to talk about the legal things he wants to talk about

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20 000 mules all right whatever at least for now yes okay so uh the documentary itself is about

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sort of manual uh the manipulation of vocab manual mule yes manipulation

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yes so it's about people going around and actually physically putting ballots in right

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as opposed to so many of the other hugo chavez changing the dominion machines right this is a

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different thing okay as opposed to that and now we we know from listening to alex's show as much

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as we have since the election alex was very big into the electronic voting conspiracy totally

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it was all electronic he uh was funded for a little while by michael lindell who was a

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a giant proponent hello dude is that the fellow guy he even said at one point like we have to

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have paper ballots in order to maintain the integrity of the election because of all the

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electric uh electric uh yeah yeah now here's what alex has to say now that dinesh jesus

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documentary has come out for me which i'm famous for let me interrupt you and start over because

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i didn't know you bring up this new film for those that don't know tell us where it is who made it

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what it covers and the fact that fox is saying they're not going to air it now even though it's

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totally documented as you said the electronic scam was the deep state red herring which you

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were proven right about when you were all over the country for trump proving it was mules

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voting multiple times getting harvesting the fake ballots filling them in and entering that's now

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been proven you have been totally vindicated we're not putting down other people that wanted to go

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with the electronic thing and and all that bs like you're not bad people let's just admit they

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got conned and move on to how they really did it so alex you're admitting you got conned let's

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admit that they got car no alex is admitting he got conned right no no this is genius

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i've seen this develop this is the new thing if you're wrong this is started back in pizzagate

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it's a honeypot it's a red herring you were wrong but it's only because the deep state tricked you

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it's only because they set up some shit to get you it's it's not really your fault like you're

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still on the right track and you're gonna miss a few times right you're gonna miss a thousand

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times but for every thousand times there's a jussie smollett and you're right just because

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you're a racist right like there's yeah it's it's all this shit like you just got fooled the idea

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now that dominion was a fucking honeypot it's a red oh my god just a red herring misdirection

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this is the exact same thing that they did with the birth certificate with obama's birth certificate

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they're like the kenya thing was a misdirection that they put out in order to get us because they

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knew that we would be racist and take the bait on right right when the reality is that they were

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trying to cover up that his dad is frank marshall davis yeah yeah yeah despite the fact that this

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essentially proves that they are what they say that they're denying yeah exactly yeah like how

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could you get us on this the jones isn't the only person who wiped the the pizza gate shit off his

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shoe by saying the same stuff right like that i was fooled unfortunately like it's the same

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okay so now it's paper okay paper ballots so you got to keep the paper ballots out of the hands of

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the soros operatives i understand well we do need actually paper pallets though i guess

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but barnes has a solution that he offers and that is that you need these paper ballots but you also

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need a specific uh practice uh to be used that was what we always said you need to do a signature

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match check because if you did a signature match check you'd be able to prove that a lot of these

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ballots were illegal and that's why no state to this day has done a signature match check

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on these ballots that's absolutely not true barnes is just lying out of his ass trying to promote

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barnes is just lying out of his ass trying to promote these stupid mules different different

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states have different guidelines but almost all of them have some sort of signature matching as

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a part of their vote verification often done by computer software according to a 2020 article in

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the new york times 1.4 of all mail-in ballots were rejected in the 2018 election because of

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signature mismatches barnes is just straight up lying yeah and the states that they scream about

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the most about being stolen in the 2020 election like michigan and arizona they have signature

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matching requirements in place already barnes is fixing a non-existent problem i really feel like

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we've got pacenik coming down the pipeline and it's going to go right back to him and be like

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listen alex they were watermarked and now we got a double watermark the next ones well i will say

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that roger's conspiracy about the north koreans the north yeah the north vietnamese north korean

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boats yeah uh coming into maine is not a roger stone believed that there were north korean boats

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that ended up in maine in maine yeah uh kim kim jong il uh wait wait wait stop stop boats no no

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no no boats yeah filled with votes vote got you filled got you both love our beautiful voters

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folks i can't say anything bad about the north korean voters they're beautiful people they love

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boating i love it okay they landed in maine that's awesome yes and that's where a lot of the the fake

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votes uh came from according to roger stone you got fucking shit i was like the boats turned into

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votes no okay let me give you a complete rundown of how the united states election was stolen okay

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what happened was what biden and the democrats realized they didn't have enough votes so they

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knew that yeah i contracted the north koreans who could not fly because there are too many votes to

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fit in one plane it would just go right down right so they got on boats yeah filled with bags and

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bags of watermarked ballots right then sailed directly from north korea to maine the united

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states yeah and see i can actually i can clear this up i see the confusion that's happening here

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and then mark mark you're thinking that these boats came with people to vote uh fraudulently

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but that is not the case nope it was paper paper that was bags of paper ballots why why why

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to steal the election yeah okay i'm with you i'm with you okay wow but my point my point is that

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that boat theory is not incompatible with the 200 mules no true true i know that's what i'm saying

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there's a we're bringing some some back yeah we got to get to susa on this uh boat situation

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see if he's gonna be honest with you like i've spent four years doing shows mainly over

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a sort of like um you know just mainly on the sandy hooks stuff but a little periphery i'm just

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i'm not sure i was ready for tonight jesus christ north korean boats yeah with yeah there's a there's

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a lot of stuff that we have just internalized and it's part of our fictional reality yeah freaks

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out people who are yes somewhat yeah we're into it yeah so here's where we get back in onto your

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side can i stop for a second i don't mean sure sure like what size boats are we talking like are

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they big boats and little boats like huge like like takers like did they go through the panama

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canal like is that or this is what i'm gonna do see this is this is i don't know you could take

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the long way i think yeah i would assume they sailed beyond cape uh yeah random groups like

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they're just like this ain't like miami vice drug smugglers with like fat speedboat these are like

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real ass boats full to the brim with biting votes see this is where it gets a little bit sticky

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because roger didn't specify about the size of boats true you would assume it would be a big

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boat but then you think like no that would korea but it would also be much easier to catch if it

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was a big boat true so maybe it's a fleet of small boats it's not obviously not like a north korean

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destroyer going through the panama canal exactly i'm just thinking like paddleboat either it's not

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battleboat either no i'm just thinking you've got to do small boats can't be a big one if that

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motherfucker gets stuck in the panama canal like that one did in the sues you're fucked it's got

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a giant amount of fighting boats in it everybody's gonna find out like you just throw them overboard

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they they melt in the water as paper does it's just like you throw a bunch of boats at the

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problem you don't put all your your your biden votes in one basket that doesn't make any sense

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yeah you don't want to know where there's two thousand uh north korean mules put those ballots

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that's all i'm telling you right now if you so hold on is is there something special about maine

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is there some sort of idiosyncrasy to main wall that which would allow north korea to penetrate

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it with with with boat boats don't think so i think it was just randomly where roger decided

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to say it i think he just saw the fire starter baby maybe a big stephen king guy if you if you

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ever get a chance to depose roger this will be something you could absolutely believe me it's

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been yeah oh wow okay they have more specifics so here here mark is where we get back to your side

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of the street because we're going to get back into the uh the actual bankruptcy case um and

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here's not feeling oh and over my head when it comes to boat votes i just don't yeah i can't

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you don't know boat vote law yeah i don't know man i'm swimming in this there's some maritime

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issues there i didn't really i missed some of those days in law school i checked the fuck out

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on those days sovereign citizen law covers uh so here is alex uh starting up the conversation with

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uh bobby i do follow robert barnes i i watch his show he does every few days with another great

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lawyer i i follow his work it's always informative i learn stuff but but i saw you get into the

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democratic party funded lawsuits against me and really just exposed what it was a few days ago

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and and i normally don't spend a lot of time covering what we're going through because

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listeners already know what they're supporting rarely but it's it's a blueprint for the future

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and so you know i hired some big uh top law firms for our limited bankruptcy

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and right after it started two weeks ago they called me and they sent me transcripts they

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said we've never seen this before we believe in the deep state now whoa they believe in the deep

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state now one case for the biggest law firms to just go like man deep state's real then he has

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pilled these law firms so now you're asking you know you want to know what these documents are

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now we have transcripts being brought up so well i know what transcripts he's talking about he's

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talking about transcripts of the bankruptcy hearings right like they've gone down and they've

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been they've been clown shows right like that's probably a good assumption but maybe he's talking

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about a transcript of a phone call a secret phone call between biden no no no we don't make

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transcripts of those you don't understand those aren't done by transcript like we don't know they've

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always done that since nixon nixon didn't choose to record everything they've been recording since

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the very beginning that's the trick you don't you don't understand everything we all have burner

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phones all right and like we have to go out in the woods and like we have to like it's a whole big

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production even have one of these calls like there's no transcripts i would love it there was

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a uh like you know with the nixon the missing minutes and the tape yeah they have no what i'm

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this is calling this court you've got to fuck over fuck over alex jones because i'm going to

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tell you these bankruptcy lawyers they're not they're they're a different breed that he brought

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into they they they get fed their stuff they go do their thing they got no real interest or

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anything in this the idea that those guys are somehow red-pilled now is hysterical to me that

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that is yeah that struck me as a little off it does seem weird to be like oh man i've pilled my

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entire accountant's office like wait what i'm sorry what what i find like that's kind of

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unbelievable because i think generally it's a a profession that attracts people who are interested

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in details yes um and that's what alex lacks he doesn't he's a he's a big fan of the opposite

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he's a big picture guy he's a picture guy he's not really a small stuff kind of the deal i look

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normally it's difficult to know who he's talking about because like the legal the situation when

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when alex jones says my lawyer you can throw a dart at a board you're not sure like who knows

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who the fuck he's talking about because he's it's all over the place i think you've got the platonic

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platonic ideal of a lawyer you know like my lawyer you know it's synecdoche because i can guarantee

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you look these these top law firms would know that it's like whatever you hired for the bankruptcy

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these guys rubio and lee like they're not they're not believing in a deep state they're they're

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they're doing their job i mean i and when i say their job i don't i i need to be a little more

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pejorative about that they're a bankruptcy lawyer so they basically exist to like suck the blood

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off of dying things like that's what a bankruptcy lawyer is what you gotta understand is that if

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jones's plan or whatever this bankruptcy plan would work hey let's give some money to the

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plaintiffs well the bankruptcy lawyers who made that happen would get some of that they would

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they would bleed some of that off and that's what they're there to do and the moment they don't have

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that they got no real interest in that and the trustee of the company has always all he cares

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about is the the piece of paper that says infowars lc and none of these people care

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these people are red pilled they don't care and it's not i don't know it's norm pattice

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but norm pattice has been awfully silent ever since he did that stand-up routine

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that was hilarious stand-up he was killing wow i don't did we talk about that on the show i don't

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think we did beyond just to note that it happened it was bad yeah wow yeah i feel like uh that that

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is a good point yeah less less you've got less you've got a guy now you've got a new guy you've

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got aldino reynold and that that guy is apparently running the ship right now so if he's the guy

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who's red pilled i guess he's the guy who's red pilled but like the former u.s department of

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justice guy yeah the holder guy yeah the holder guy's right like no no no fuck he's checked out

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too this is all in the department of justice he didn't see any of the deep state no no no that

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he's opened his eyes no look i just i know of of anybody i can be confident like all these other

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people maybe they're uh robert barnes that motherfucker's red pilled i can't wait to hear

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what he's got to say because he's that is true he understands what's going on yeah well we we have

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to get back into uh this which you mark you've already said you don't believe uh this but uh

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i gotta say alex has said it twice so it's probably true we've had the dress department

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call and say the biden administration says you're not allowed to support him

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by actually called the judge's lawyer and they called the the uh what the trustees lawyers who

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retired the former bankruptcy judge of austin and schmidt and said it's policy in the u.s

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government like i'm russia that he doesn't have access to courts so that blew him away

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and actually i woke him up blew him away so yeah the biden administration called the lawyer of the

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judge yeah the judge's lawyer schmidt yeah who's no no no no no hold on back up here because he

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said two things and the second one really is freaky because the first one he said like let

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me make this really clear there is a judge over the bankruptcy proceeding and that's that's judge

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lopez and whose impartiality cannot reasonably be questioned because he has no control over his

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behavior he runs his court now he wants to every everybody who deals in federal court knows that

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when you go into a federal court it's like going into a lion cage like that that lion can devour

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you if it wants to yeah that's good like it is what a great system it's honestly like the

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bankruptcy court's the only place i'd be afraid look i ain't even in that court i'm letting the

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professionals deal with that shit i ain't walking into a goddamn lion cage fuck that they can deal

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with that the so that's that so saying that guy has been threatened when he's talking about schmidt

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he's talking about somebody very different he is talking about a retired u.s bankruptcy judge

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who they recruited who who the bankruptcy law firms recruited into being a trustee for infowars

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llc for being and i'm not exactly sure what his position is but that's a guy who is like an

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insider now to enforce lc and he's there to make sure everything's kosher and there's no whatever

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and now jones is on air saying that that guy has gotten a call from what the biden administration

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has already said he says some crazy shit like that i think that's how i tracked that yeah support him

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yikes i mean look all i'll say for jones is saying this stuff he better be glad this bankruptcy is

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over because that is wow it seems it seems unwise to use a name to there yeah when it was very

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unnecessary could have just not used a name look and i don't know anything about former judge

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schmidt i'm going to assume that he's a very righteous upstanding guy or you wouldn't be

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able to based on what you described judges fuck that guy fuck that guy fuck the bankruptcy judge

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fuck every judge fuck judges no no no look here jordan here's the deal is that all these guys

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were snookered into a situation of hey jones has a way that he wants to try to make things right

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with the sandy hook parents let's see if we can make it happen and be the heroes and avoid a lot

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of acrimony and avoid a lot of trial they were fed a bowl of bill uh like a load of bullshit

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and they haven't been dealing with it for four years so they don't fucking know and the moment

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that everybody started to realize it was bullshit this whole thing is dead in the water anyway so

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i'd say in some ways for as much as this process can work the process worked obviously it's shitty

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it's not how it should have worked but it worked these everybody's getting off of this but everyone

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survived alliance jones is in there saying this shit about my that's that's head spinning that

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he is going to say that my trustee has been called off because it seems like schmidt would be able to

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like refute this yeah you can have them on the show look i'll tell you right now he is not in

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contact with schmidt i know that a hundred percent that schmidt is not talking with alex jones like

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that date this whole idea was to put it at arm's length right and it would be inappropriate if they

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were in communication right right right yeah yeah and so what he just said right there is

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i'm look i'm not gonna there's not i just want to make it clear for your listeners there is

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not the chance that there is malfeasance by former judge smith that's not a thing that happened what

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you're hearing right now is an is an outright lie and a complete complete contradiction of everything

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that i was arguing earlier that jones feels he needs 25 of the troops to say something because

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he absolutely does not well i'm glad we've disabused you of that note yeah man that was

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that was a lot faster than i expected we got to you real quick on that one yeah exactly we

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pilled our lawyer so how much mark would you guess that zoroz has spent on the case that you're uh

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the lawyer for that's such a funny question it's you know what i'm not even gonna give you like

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the glib uh whatever it's about 4.99 and a pack of ribs or whatever no no it's um um it's funny

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because i'm usually involved in litigation that is kind of expensive i do products liability

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litigation with my firm and we you know to get a good products case to trial like a defective

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product is going to take a lot of expert testimony a lot of things it's really expensive and it can

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run you almost as much as a quarter million to half a million dollars to get a case to trial

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like that's how much it can cause that's how it's gonna be working with and it is and and the thing

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is is that in jones's case it's not quite as much you don't have as much expert testimony you don't

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have as much stuff i'm a texas lawyer i'm in a texas court i'm not traveling all over the country

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all the goddamn time like there's there it's a lot cheaper and and and i'll be i'll be really

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up front because i want i want the jones people to know i want them to understand this that this

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case so far soup to nuts has cost me less than 110 000 to try and that that money has been paid over

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more than three times by jones himself like we have already collected enough sanctions on him

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we are now about 270 000 into him he has paid for all of this there isn't a george zoros funding

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this right like we said and look i made the agreements with the parents i said look if

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anti-slap fees are granted if this motion dismiss is granted we're paying that we're paying that all

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and that could have like that in itself was a risk of loss that's a quarter million dollar

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risk of loss like that's priced into what we're doing and when i decided to do this i was like

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yeah we're paying everything up front the fact that jones has already put us in the red yeah

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we're just on vacation right this is just a moment we don't really this is not something

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for the parent like we're gonna do whatever it takes to get the parents their day and at this

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point that's not a factor of cost i don't need george sources help to do that mark i appreciate

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your perspective and i understand that you're intimately involved with the case that you are

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conducting you would think um however i have look if if what you're saying is true you're making a

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lot off this soros money because alex is he's gonna cite a figure uh in this next clip that uh

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will surprise you yeah if you're okay okay if you've made a profit on alex's sanctions you're

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you're very rich all right let's get what we just soros isn't even trying to hide this

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and to me this is a major rallying point why are they because i know we have a big show and a great

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audience and great guests but why are they so obsessed that we now have evidence that's going

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to come out soon of over 10 million dollars spent by soros to do this what does he think that's

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going to look like when all that comes out and that they're now openly trying to threaten

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bankruptcy federal judges i mean these people i guess they know they control the justice department

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so why do they care but this is getting crazy it's the complete weaponization of the justice

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department for politicized partisan purposes yeah so 10 million dollars you've got from soros

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i think i think you're misreading that i think you're not understanding that soros

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is spending that money not on me but for other things maybe like he is i don't know like like

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like paying for hackers to manufacture an email to jones saying your sources are batshit crazy

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and you're going to get in a shitload of trouble if you don't stop like that can cost 10 million

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he can listen i'm saying that he gave you that money up front and you've been outsourcing all

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of your deep state shit for a while now that's all i'm saying i mean if we want to break down

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the line items of all the nefarious things that could be doing hackers uh what's a hacker in the

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new york times what's a hacker's hourly rate i don't know but it can't be 10 million no yeah

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that's what actually that's what surprises me is the megalomania of thinking that it

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would take 10 million dollars to destroy you when you have engineered your own destruction

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like that is just doesn't take that yeah it just it just takes somebody like look i i

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i've me and a couple of members of my firm have have decided we'd like to kind of chill out a

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little bit and devote more of our time to this and to go in after them and that's been fun

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it's been rewarding it's been nice to see it happen but it hasn't been like a like we didn't

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need deep state funding to do it like we just needed a little bit of extra time to be willing

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to say that if like because look this is the reality of it is is this may end up in a situation

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where and the families know this too that this could be either very rewarding for them they

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could be adequately compensated on the law or they might not be but but that the goal here is to have

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have the moment of reckoning to have it happen yeah and see it through yeah to see it through

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and we're gonna see it through and it's not that big of a deal like i don't i don't understand why

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he thinks it has to be like like there has to be like this this global earth-shattering conspiracy

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to destroy him i can explain this very easily uh he's a narcissist yep and he believes crazy

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nonsense conspiracy theories to explain everything that's really inconvenient for him

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so those combined and he has a tenuous if not completely lost grasp on reality that is true

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yeah but look he's got documents so once he releases these we'll see the budget that soros

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has with this totally and so much crow i'm just gonna be i'll be so embarrassed this reminds me

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of the soros antifa contract 100 that he had that were just from a 4chan troll post um i think that

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might be like as disappointing this will be as disappointing as that yeah right yeah so barnes

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has some thoughts about this case in and of itself uh and you know basically alex is getting jammed

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up uh that's that's what's going on here well yeah i mean the goal has been just pure intimidation

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tactics the only thing they know just like the intimidation tactics they took with russia thought

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they could shut down russia's economy thought they could change russia's governance simply with

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these tactics it's the same tactics and techniques but it's the complete dangerous thing to do

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dangerous partisan politicized weaponization of the justice department and what's dangerous barnes

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is that they don't quit when it fails they double down so what's the double down going to look like

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i mean they're going to keep accelerating and escalating until they get a rigged outcome

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and the problem they have if they had confidence in the merits of their case then they wouldn't

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be using these shenanigans they wouldn't be having the u.s trustee interfere in a bankruptcy

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in a highly questionable manner to try to prevent a party from the legal rights and remedies

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bankruptcy affords which by the way is only an option because the plaintiffs chose to sue

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entities they knew didn't have any assets this is oh yeah and so that shows the scale of it

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if they had confidence in their case they wouldn't use these that's the thing they're saying there's

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hundreds of millions of dollars in these entities we're maxed out don't have any money so i'm like

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okay we'll show them and then they're pissed well because the whole case was uh premised on a fiction

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a fiction based on a sort of mike myers style latest version of a delusional interpretation

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of alex jones yeah barnes got the notes about like mike myers being yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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i heard some weird noises you're making in that clip yeah wow some of that's really surprising

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okay so first of all this is this oh god this is hilarious okay so this idea that we sued entities

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that we knew had no assets right and now you guys are crazy for doing that what kind of idiot would

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sue entities that you do didn't have any okay so fans of the show will will understand this that

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that the first time that rob do got into a lot of trouble is because he appeared for a deposition

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for infowars llc because we were trying to figure out what the hell it is because it was at the time

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the suit it was listed on the website as the entity that ran the website and everything like

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it was the entity right and free speech does the payroll all this kind of shit we could rob do got

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his first sanction for not having any clue what the hell infowars lc did or was and claimed that

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like no it's not a thing it doesn't do anything and then they reciprocally said no no no look

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rob just doesn't know what he's talking about like like it's it's a thing it owns the intellectual

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property it's got the website it's got all this stuff and it became a morass for like two years

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and that's part of like why robert barnes is no longer on the case because he did a bunch of

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shenanigans with that is that like trying this whole thing about infowars lc they were hiding

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it from the beginning because they knew that was a card they were going to play later so like

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that in of itself is kind of dumb but but the the the idea that here's robert barnes saying that

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they're scared of the merits of the case so they're pulling shenanigans while in the midst

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of pulling a shenanigans to avoid a trial no that's why you guys delayed it for four years

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that because you're afraid of the merits of your case you guys have been pushing it back

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playing shenanigans with bankruptcy judges in order to keep it from going to trial that's why

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you messed around so much with the this was a good refuge when your argument was that the default

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judgments were unfair that we fucked around for four years and it's unfair now you're not going to

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have a full trial on the merits like that was a good argument to now say that we are are getting

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the u.s like here's the thing about robert barnes is like he's not he's really really

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out of his element in a lot of places but one thing that robert barnes knows a hundred percent

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is that i did not enlist the u.s trustee to do a goddamn thing the u.s trustee did whatever it was

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going to do robert barnes knows that a hundred percent he knows that he's a damn liar are you

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saying that he's lying yeah i am saying lawyers can't lie isn't that against the rules the rules

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what's the point of a justice system if your lawyer can lie what's the point of a justice

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system if your lawyer can lie i i do think i do think you know you're saying that barnes is

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uh out of his element a lot of places but he's in his element when it's public opinion type stuff

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like this like being on this is his job you're right he was not he was not adequately deployed

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as the person to be in the courtroom that's not where he does what he needs to do he's doing what

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he needs to do right here and this is what he does he should be like he's a fundraiser is what

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he is he's there for no other he doesn't actually swing public opinion he doesn't inform anybody

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doesn't do any of that it's there to make infowars people give alex Jones money that's what he might

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also plug his uh locals page also to get his own thing going good for patreon uh an alternative for

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people who can't be responsibly on patreon whatever happened to that collective of lawyers

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he was fundraising for several years ago oh the one that he was promoting on stefan molyneux

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show yeah the one that was so important it was going to do a lot of uh the fascist splc it's

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going to take care of everybody remember that didn't work out oh it didn't i don't think so

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weird so um alex asks barnes here uh to back him up man hey man i'm broke right yeah sure

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i'm broke barnes come on let him know i'm broke yeah back me up and they want to pretend that the

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the infowars audience is this deluded audience when in fact it's one of the most informed

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audiences in the entire world plus robert you are involved in discovery in our finances because i

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don't judge myself by money i spend it almost all i got a decent house a nice car health care but

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i don't worship money i'm not trying to pile up money how much last time you checked how much

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money does alex jones have they keep claiming i have hundreds of millions of dollars i don't

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have five million dollars well all of these entities they knew didn't that are in bankruptcy

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they knew didn't have it from the very beginning of discovery we sat down and showed them there's

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nothing there there's nothing in there they knew it and said you should dismiss them you know why

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is owen schroyer being sued as part of all this this is purely lawfare and it's politically

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motivated lawfare by uh i'm not putting illen down but in discovery he has like 50 000 i mean

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the bank i mean it's all lies oh man putting owen's business on the streets that's i know

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i mean i would be i would be furious if i was owen also the reason to sue owen is because he defamed

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people yeah exactly the same reason that you got yeah his resources are not necessarily uh i don't

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want to talk about owen but every night he goes down to the summit nightclub he's wearing he's

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wearing a barrel with some suspenders on it's just pathetic i just can't can't even deal with it i

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just a poor guy they should there should be i wish whoever whoever employs him should probably pay

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him more but just such oh yeah that is a good point alex could do something about oh he could

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about destitute i will tell you that the moment that owen decided to query water for for alex

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jones it came out in deposition he got bought a brand new dodger hellcat so you know that's

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apparently what the price of water cost anyway yeah no that's wild there that barnes is like

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we sat down with them and showed them you didn't sat down you didn't sit down with anybody we've

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we've had to file like six motions for sanctions over the course of two years

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this would be such a great moment for alex to play one of his clips that he doesn't know what

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actually is in it and we just snuck in a clip of uh the deposition of the business of just him being

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like i have no idea what this business does i don't know how to tell you what it does because

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i don't know are you the only person who runs that business maybe sure it's funny you really

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can juxtapose this with like the things barnes said in that due deposition like he just started

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getting up and talking to try to cover their ass and it's like wow to compare that to then to now

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it's just i don't know i you know i know y'all have done some deposition videos you haven't

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you haven't covered um uh their corporate representative in fontaine yet and that's the

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one where they're basically like yeah we're gonna sue the shit out of robert barnes i mean like

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like here's the here's the guy that jones wrote an affidavit like sworn testimony y'all like wrote

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an affidavit in connecticut saying yeah robert barnes botched the case please don't dismiss our

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case we gotta like we got a new lawyer he's gonna take care of it and we got the we 86 that dude

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he's he's a piece of work we got rid of him and we'll see him on the show next week yeah and yeah

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no he's on the show next week like god my guess is that barnes probably knows about that and that

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he's not going to get to barnes wrote that affidavit i'll bet you like he's like yeah just

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throw me under that bus yeah hell yeah oh i'm sure you guys are gonna sue me let's see how well that

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goes i've seen your defense yeah i also just love the idea of like sitting there and like parts

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parts back me up the last time you saw how much money i got nothing i'm broke are my bars tell

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them tell them i got no money last time you looked at my wallet shit yeah so guys like we you you

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fucked up your protective order we know how much money you have it's all been linked to the press

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like stop fucking what are you doing yeah we know like stop this this is so but that's all fake

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news according to the world of alex's yeah that bubble is impenetrable it's true it's true so

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here is uh just some shit talk uh from alex and barnes if they believed in their case they would

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have a trial on the merits with a jury let's expand they've defaulted and you saw the filing

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where in texas they say we can't talk or bring up the first amendment i mean it's beyond the kangaroo

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trial oh completely i mean if again if they have confidence why are they scared of an austin jury

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a liberal austin jury pool why are they scared of a liberal connecticut jury pool they know that

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even those jury pools when they see the actual facts in the case will not write big checks of

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the kind that they demand will not bankrupt interval wars fundamentally and functionally

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moving forward so that's why they had why did you declare bankruptcy based on a fake narrative

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because and use procedural tricks so uh do you do you have uh any response to these uh yeah

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why did you declare bankruptcy if if these cases are not a threat to you if there's some evidence

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that's going to come out that's going to protect you the absolute wise move to take like honestly

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is is to take the first verdict and if and if i fall on my face and the enforce doesn't get a

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big ass verdict against it then you can probably weather the rest of the case is no problem you

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don't need declared bankruptcy the the idea of declaring bankruptcy is you know that these cases

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are catastrophic you know that that's that's insane to claim otherwise and they're still

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pounding this drum about you didn't want a case on the merits believe me my level of frustration

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over everything that's happened to have to get a default in this case because you don't need it

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that's the that's yeah that's the real shame of it is is this case is a punitive case and always has

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been since the beginning and so like the idea that we're scared of an austin jury jesus after

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after you just stopped the trial at its doorstep you're gonna tell me i'm god you after especially

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from the guy who literally ran away from this jurisdiction so i could stop beating him like

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a red-headed stepchild that is it's basically realizing that is not a politically correct

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uh metaphor to use you should not beat red-headed stepchild uh that is not an okay thing to do i

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beat him like robert barnes which is how you should absolutely it's uh it's just basically

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like a bully running away and then being like why are you running away hold me back hold me back

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yeah yeah he's one of those sorts of things 100 um yeah i i do think that there is an interesting

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thing that kind of works for the presentation of alex's show but it does it just it's so

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transparent the why the why won't you debate me kind of right why won't you have the case on the

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merits it's like well i mean i know from you know conversations and you know being uh following this

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case and having mark on the uh on the show a number of times i don't believe for a second that

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the goal was a default no everything would have led to a trial if alex had cooperated yep and done

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his piece of it oh yeah and so it's just i mean even if you just go to the very basics of it right

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like jones saying in deposition of like this should be a trial on the merits about what i said

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i'd love that except i don't have what you said you keep destroying all the shit you said and

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that you're hiding everything so i don't know that's kind of challenging that is already

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challenging but i was already prepared to do without all of that but it's it's it's it's wild

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everybody knows here that this is only a question of how much this is never a question of what you

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did it's like them rattling off about the first amendment thing right when he talks about that

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pleading what he's talking about is at the beginning of trial you're allowed to ask the court

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to say that certain matters and certain arguments shouldn't be allowed to be advanced and one of

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those in this case is that alex's conduct was protected by the first amendment because it by

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law it wasn't he said false facts about these plaintiffs he's already got a default judgment

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against him at that point the first amendment doesn't protect his conduct it's already been

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found as a matter of law of course he can't talk about the first amendment at trial but that was

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going to be his whole plan like it's not like a barring of the first amendment it's that it's

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already been determined that it's not relevant today the first amendment has been turned off

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this is my courtroom yeah that's an interesting lion impression yeah it's a pretty good lion

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impression he got four years to do a first amendment argument and he actually even though

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all of the bull like he talks about it being a kangaroo court the reality is that even of all

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the bullshit he did he got to go ahead and appeal this all the way up to the texas supreme court he

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got he got two layers of appeals on a first amendment argument and he and he and he fell

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on his face in both of them and like and it's it's so to say that like oh this has something

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to do with how he's being denied no it doesn't stop that shit and the idea that they think that

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they're scared it's it's all so dumb i mean at least i don't you may have more clips but i don't

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i don't from barnes anyway you may have more clips but i am leaving this fucking show right now

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barnes anyway just seems to be kind of trying to be in cover his ass mode of like he knows this

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is going to go down bad and he knows his name is going to be somewhat tied to it and he's going to

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have to have ways to have built-in excuses about why he was so unsuccessful and why everybody else

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was but for jones jones seems to be in more legit panic mode at this point well i mean i think the

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excuses are there and whether or not they match with reality is obviously uh if they don't but

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they do kind of work from a pr propaganda level like you're too afraid to have a case on the merit

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so you're using all these lawfare tricks most people listening to alex will probably just

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agree that agree and accept that uh regardless if there's anything behind it and you were correct

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mark i do have one more clip all right your prediction was correct and it also includes

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bobby uh making some allegations that i'm going to need a response uh after the clip sweet okay

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has been denied the right to bring motions to dismiss the right to bring motions to summary

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judgment the right to bring anti-slap motions and now but now denied the right them for a trial on

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the merits and now they're trying to deny them even bankruptcy law protection that's the scale

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and scope of this politicized weaponized mechanism to come after it for and it's because of the power

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of the audience his voice is falling apart yeah yeah he should take a breath yeah take a drink

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yeah that is uh that was scaring me a little bit so there's a number of allegations in there mark

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how saying these denials of motions but uh okay so denied the ability to have a motion to dismiss no

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actually barnes filed one and they had three more too so they they had four of those i know that

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i've looked at the uh at least the like connecticut docket and there's at least a few motions to

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dismiss yeah connecticut gets a little hazy and i'll explain that in a minute but but basically

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down in texas anyway they had four of them and in fact one of them was so bad that they got they

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got fined like 35 000 for bringing a completely frivolous motion on um and and yeah they they

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definitely had all that chance and then the second one was the motions for summary judgment basically

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what this is is once the case has gone through some discovery you're you're allowed to bring

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a motion to have certain issues declared that there's no dispute of fact over those issues and

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that can be anything from like damages to to there's a lot of different issues you can bring

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it on they had the ability to bring those motions um and then they just didn't like they missed their

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deadline they they had a deadline back in february of this year um and then they didn't do that and

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and part of that was that was back when when brad reeves was handling the case and they i i there

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was like a switch over again they just didn't do it like they had every opportunity to do it they

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didn't do it sounds like they were denied the opportunity to me right by by yeah right i was

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denied the opportunity to go into the nfl uh that is true exactly by right so then they had these

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denied the ability to do these anti-slap motions they they had two years of appeals of anti-slap

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motions that's that's just ridiculous and particularly with barnes that's fantastic because

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barnes did a bunch of like really um how would i describe this um um improper things relating to

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discovery which as we discussed before they wrote an affidavit about him doing all this shit and and

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as a result he walked in front of my court and said hey guess what i'm just gonna abandon our

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motion to dismiss on the anti-slap so i don't get in trouble i don't want a sanctions order against

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me so i'm just giving that up so barnes is the one who threw that out the window by his own

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misconduct and and then you have they've been denied the opportunity to do bankruptcy now you

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did your bankruptcy you just you just lied in it so like it didn't work like that's not my fault i

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didn't do anything i mean literally came apart at the seams like i didn't i didn't i can't even take

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credit for that you just you just did something really dumb no they just okay you got you stopped

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you stopped the trial but like i don't i don't even you just wasted everybody's time congratulations

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i don't what do you want like this this list of things that barnes is bringing up is more just

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like this didn't work this didn't work yeah this didn't work yeah when he says denied the ability

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what he means is we lost we weren't allowed to win yes exactly yeah yeah yeah it's a little bit

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like it's a little bit like if you've ever been walking up the stairs and you just your eyes and

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your legs missed and you trip going up the stairs and you're like this is very embarrassing and you

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see then people see you and you're like if this was somebody else's fault there's no way that i

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just tripped like this it was that it was a ghost yeah absolutely no no somebody threw a ball nearby

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and you can't you just can't accept responsibility for looking like an asshole that's what it feels

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like it does that's bad yeah so this is this uh brings us to the end of our clips for this

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i i feel like um i don't know is this cathartic who's this uh it is i'll so i will tell you this

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this is obviously not a normal case everything that's happening and it's totally absurd um and

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then for the past couple weeks i've just been sort of off in orbit you know like away from my life

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from everything from all of it and and there is no chance to to vent about it to to get all this out

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and this so you got you got your anger back you know you were feeling real relaxed you're like

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you know i'm gonna treat this case like i better put my head down and go to work tonight you come

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on this show and you're like i'm gonna kill that motherfucker you need a dose of jordan yellow

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yeah exactly no i'm just a lot of it's a lot of it is it's just it's it's you get to a point to

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where i mean everything about this case has been so unorthodox and and when you hear them talking

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about the things it is it is it's nice to be able to come on here and and acknowledge to your

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audience not just that not just that that the things that they're being told isn't true or

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whatever that like you know it's just that this is so far off the rails that that it's it's difficult

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for lawyers to comprehend where i'm i'm off in different territory this isn't very clear this

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isn't a lawsuit anymore this is a clown show and and so that's just how you have to treat it at

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this point so no it is it's nice to come on and talk with you guys i i wish i could give you a a

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more definitive update about what's about to happen and i just can't i just don't know i'm

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still still in a holding pattern i know where this bankruptcy stunt is over but to say that that's

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the end of the stunts would be naive so sure but at least that's sort of that's an update in and

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of itself though you know because that's like we were saying it's kind of a chapter yeah as

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has resolved so there there's an update in as much as that bankruptcy thing is deflated and now

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we'll it it's uncharted waters i guess we're running the question mark meter hurdles race

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so yeah you know you just keep jumping over fucking hurdles and hopefully eventually the

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race ends yeah yep i don't know i told somebody the other day i was i was i'd happened to just

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i just happened to watch apocalypse now the the redux version and we were watching that

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yeah exactly it's funny it's that scene actually where you have uh robert duvall sitting on the

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beach right after the napalm and everything and he's just sort of feeling kind of wistful

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and he just turns to willard and he's like someday this war is gonna end and and god you start to

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feel that at the end of this you start to feel that like you've been you've been living on this

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thing of it never ends it never ends there's always something more and at some point it will

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end and and then you're kind of left in the there's not going to be a good denouement for this

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for my literature fans out there there's not going to be a good it's going to there's going to be it's

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going to be an end and it's going to be wrecking and then we're it's all going to be over and then

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there'll be yeah there's gonna there's probably five years of coda on this bullshit like it is

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this is never leaving my life that's the thing i've had to resign myself to is that i i get to

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do my normal life and i get to do most of that normal stuff and then this side little piece of

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it i get to devote to the absolutely most insane lawsuit in america yeah i mean like think about

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it uh oh they're gonna do like 10 years after the alex jones lawsuit we talked to mark bankston

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that'll probably linger around but i mean like that's kind of the essence of like getting

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involved in yeah like looking at alex jones in a critical way whether it's through a podcast or

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legally it goes on much longer than you think you you didn't expect it we thought we would be doing

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this podcast for six months maybe here we are yeah yeah it's uh i thought i thought i'd be

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doing a jury in a year and a half so yeah these expectations are never quite what you think

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i don't know it's i i'm getting used i'm getting ready for that moment where we switch gears to

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this is the trial this is the reckoning we can put all the dumb bullshit behind us and actually

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do the thing that people have been waiting for us to do for four goddamn years and when it happens

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and happens we're gonna i can tell you right now we're gonna do it right and and it's it's

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it's just a matter of when jones is going to let that happen well we're excited for you to get there

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yeah yep and it'll come yes it will it'll be there yeah yeah but mark thank you for joining us

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this is uh this has been a lot of fun to check in and i appreciate you being able to give some

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context even if the context is this confuses even lawyers yeah yeah if it confuses lawyers you

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better believe i would have no ability to talk about farms yeah other than just being like that's

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bullshit yeah that's basically all i could say um thank you for letting me the chance to get it all

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good to get some steam off for sure yeah for sure yeah um i look forward to uh updates and knowing

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when the uh the trial actually happens so we can get tickets again that's the plan

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that's the plan uh but let's uh we should wrap this up jordan indeed until next time we have a

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website we do have a website it's knowledge right dot com yes uh we're also on twitter we are on

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twitter it's at knowledge underscore go to bed jordan yes but until we'll be back but until then

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neo i'm leo i'm dz x clark i wish you all a dreamy creamy summer but don't don't get involved in

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astronaut ice cream it's not worth it it is a dangerous game andy in kansas you're on the

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air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you