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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are the bad guys, knowledge

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fight, knowledge fight, I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are

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the bad guys, knowledge fight, Dan and George, knowledge fight, need money, Andy and Kansas,

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Andy and Kansas, stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray, Andy and

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Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us, hello Alex, I'm a huge fan, I love your

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words, knowledge fight, knowledgefight.com, I love you, hey everybody, welcome back to

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knowledge fight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're a couple dudes, I'd like to sit around, worship

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at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones, oh indeed we are Dan, Dan,

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what's up, quick question, what's your bright spot today, my bright spot today Jordan is

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an anti bright spot, it's an anti bright spot, cheers and jeers kind of thing, coca cola

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starlight, have you heard of that, no I have not, I think that's what it's called, star

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shine, starlight, yeah what's it called, I don't know, it's coca cola star something,

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gross, I don't know what this is, what is coca cola selling us now, I believe it is

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the, yeah coca cola starlight, it's the, it's a beverage featuring a red color and a unique

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taste quote inspired by space, I mean that's just mean, what is that, I don't know, what

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is that, inspired by space, this taste is just, it's empty, it's empty and filled with

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dark matter that you don't even understand, it takes your breath away, absolutely, I like

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it, yeah but that kind of messaging and branding is something I, it's impossible for me not

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to be like what does space taste like, you're absolutely going there, but it's not like,

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I'm not interested in what space actually tastes like, I'm like what do you think space

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tastes like, gross, do you think they went to NASA where they have those moon rocks and

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had one of their taste testers lick it and they were like okay I got this one now, if

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so I have far more questions about space, me too, yeah because this is, I mean it's

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overly sweet, why don't we send taste testers to space, that's a great question, I think

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so too, what does the dust taste like, what's it like to taste nothing, how many people

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would love to brag that they've licked the moon, I mean why wouldn't you, there's no

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reason not to lick the moon, put that on your CV, then like Buzz Armstrong could get into

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a fight with somebody about like whether or not he's licked the moon, I bet he hasn't,

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I bet he hasn't, I bet he didn't have the guts to take that helmet off, so what about

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you, what's your bright spot, my bright spot Dan is yesterday I went and got the first

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session of my wedding ring hand tattoo, that's right, yeah it's really really nice, I appreciate

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it, unfortunately the tattoo artist was having some issues, you know how I have a tremor,

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uh huh, and sometimes I'll be doing some fine motor work and I'll jerk around and I'll go

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flying everywhere, so when you're tattooing that hurts a lot more, yeah, and especially

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on your hand, so he was having a real bad day, well yeah I could see that being tough,

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like you don't want to inflict pain on people, no no no, and it's a hand tattoo so, it was

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intense but, and it's a hand tattoo that involves like the underside of your finger, yeah, sort

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of sensitive area there, have you tried getting a paper cut everywhere, I've tried it, it's

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not great, I've tried it and I've succeeded, oh good, good for you, I'm quite good at this,

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anyways it's my bright spot, well congratulations, yay, so Jordan today we have an episode to

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go over, we have some stuff to talk about though, and before we get into any of that

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let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks, I think that's a great idea,

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so first recently I was wondering what that weird tinfoil hat where I went to college

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was up to, so I googled him, his name, Rob Dew, thank you so much, you're now a policy

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wonk, I'm a policy wonk, thank you, that was a journey, I believe that Rob Dew was a theater

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major in college, if I recall correctly, so maybe this person was in the theater department,

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next, that time I shitted my pants in class was a false flag by the other third graders,

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thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much, thank

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you, next, this is a long one, warning, the FDA has found that consuming Alex Jones can

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cause drowsiness, loss of appetite, blurry vision, mood swings and near repressible fits

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of rage, do not operate motor vehicles or use heavy machinery under the, under you know

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how info wars affects you, if you or a loved one loses track of reality, immediately administer

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a dose of brain force plus and lock them in a separate room for the safety of all involved

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before calling for emergency assistance, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk, I'm

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a policy wonk, thank you, pushing the boundaries, that's a real cheers and jeers kind of situation

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right there, that's a Coca Cola starlight, next, Neil from Blackburn, UK, thank you so

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much, you're now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much, thank you, next,

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Carl Barks, the shepherd of Mendocino, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk, I'm

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a policy wonk, thank you very much, and choosing virtual Russian as my internet handle in 2005

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has turned out to be a terrible decision, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk,

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I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much and yeah, yeah, oh yeah, so, well, where do we

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begin? It's been a busy week, bad, weird, chaotic, stressful week, it's been a week,

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yes, so we had planned on Sunday to leave for Austin and we were gonna be there for

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two weeks for the trial, two full weeks, and we were going to broadcast like live reporters,

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I was planning to get a hat that I could put a little card in, absolutely, press, it was

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gonna be the best, I was definitely gonna get an old rotary phone, I had already looked

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up various ice cream places that don't ship to Chicago, now I was gonna enjoy the dreamy

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creamy summer, yeah, you were gonna get to have a two week exploration, totally, but

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unfortunately that trial has been postponed, yup, due to Alex's bankruptcy maneuvering,

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he owes me money for flights, which were not cancelable, yeah, yeah, I mean, there is a

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small part of it that that's on you, for getting non-refundable tickets, I mean, listen,

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what am I gonna get, expensive tickets that you can refund? How was I supposed to guess

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in a situation like this that something surprising would happen that would delay the trial,

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that's just insane, something surprising that also you knew was a possibility, yup,

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from the jump, from the jump, yeah, so it was, there was a lot of like ins and outs,

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ups and downs with it throughout the week, like is this gonna happen, is this not gonna

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happen, and like it was just really, really chaotic kind of, somewhat demoralizing, on

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some level, it's disappointing that we won't be able to take this trip, my birthday's

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on Sunday and I was excited to be there with my parents in Austin, the whole thing, and

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you know, so there's a little bit of like deflation maybe, yeah, that might be a better

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way of putting it. Yeah, yeah, and so, some of those issues also are, you know, as I mentioned

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on the last episode, still developing, and so we'll see, we'll see where things land

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exactly in terms of if and how and when this trial is going to proceed, and when we have

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more information, I assure you all, it'll be wonderful and we'll get into it. That's

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the plan. But for now, Alex needs money. Yes. We do know that. We do know that. So,

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second thing, there's big news that is broken that people are maybe making more out of than

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they need to, or maybe not, I'm not sure, and that is the issue of Alex going to the

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DOJ and asking for immunity in exchange for a conversation. Right. Now, I think that there's

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one way to look at this, and that's the way I think a lot of Twitter is looking at this,

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and that's like, Alex has flipped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know if that's the

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case. I mean, for one, Alex did talk about on our last episode, covering his show from

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Monday, that he was planning to go and make an offer to the FBI. Yes. And that he doesn't

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know anything, but he doesn't want to run any risk of getting in trouble, and so he

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would do it for the deal of immunity. Right. So I'm not certain exactly how much of this

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is as revelatory as people may be treating it, and I think that maybe, obviously, the

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people who are reporting on it aren't people who necessarily watch Infowars, so they wouldn't

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have seen that on Monday. Sure, sure. But yeah, I think if it's something that is like

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Alex has turned State's property, then I don't know how much he'd be talking about that

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on his show. Right. My general vibe on this, and this is the way I would like things to

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go if I had my druthers, everything Alex is doing right now, we have to assume the end

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goal of that is to get more money. Or to... Avoid paying money. Right. It's all about

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money, is my point at this point in time. Yeah, yeah. And the way he makes money is

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by advancing bigoted politics and eroding public confidence in centralized collaborative

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systems. Exactly. And at this point in time, giving him any attention is only going to

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be beneficial to him. That's my vibe on it. Well, sort of. I mean, outside of, you know,

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us. And I think one of the dangers that you run into is that when you overhype something

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like this and be like, Alex has flipped, he's going to turn and tell everybody, when he

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doesn't, or if that doesn't happen, then it looks like... What were we doing? Right, right.

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Now, I do think that there's a possibility, it's a very small possibility, outside possibility,

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that Alex has realized that some of his friends were up to more than he realized initially.

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Sure, that's possible. You know, reading some of these indictments of the Oathkeepers

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and stuff, maybe he's realized like, I do have texts that are relevant to this and I

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didn't realize they were. Right. I better just make sure I don't get arrested. Could

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be, could be. There is a chance, I don't think it's high, but I think that there's a chance

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that that might be, and I don't, I wouldn't, maybe that's flipping, I don't know. If he

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was flipping, it wouldn't be public, like this. So what he's doing now, because it's

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so public, it suggests to me that one, he doesn't actually have anything to share, so

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there's no risk in him coming out with this bullshit. It's possible. And there's a huge

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chance that people are going to run with it, do you know how we know? Because they did.

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And so I kind of think that he's got nothing, and he's trying to get headlines that aren't

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about Sandy Hook that he can fundraise off of, and people are obliging. Yeah. That's

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my, that's my feeling. Yeah, I think that that's a pretty strong possibility, but yeah,

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we'll see, we'll see what happens with this. I would imagine, just a guess, the FBI and

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the DOJ probably aren't interested in giving him immunity. What do they want to give him

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immunity from for? I don't, I don't know. It seems, it seems like a weird thing for

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them to humor. I mean, not because like there's necessarily like giant charges coming for

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him or anything. Sure, sure, sure. You know, just because like, no. Yeah, absolutely not.

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Absolutely not. Just a flat out no, whatever information you have is worth less than me

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saying no to you right now. Yeah. Do you know? Yeah. Like no matter what you've got for

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me, it's going to be better for, for me in the long run to say, fuck you. And so much

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of the information that they probably would need from Alex, they have from the other side.

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A million other people. Right. Any, any messages that he'd had with Stuart Rhodes are

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probably available by Stuart Rhodes. Yeah, exactly. Stuff. So I, I, I, I don't know.

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I'm not as, I don't know if this is as big of a story as some people are experiencing

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it as. But that said, I don't have any inside information. I don't know the, the, the

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the ins and outs of this. So I could easily not know a piece of information that isn't

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public and that could be the piece of information that changes my mind on, on everything.

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And so we'll see, we'll see. Um, but for now there's so many moving parts and, uh,

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there's a lot going on at Infowars about how bad they need money and there's some

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stuff. Uh, but I, I just, you know, I think it's going to take until Monday for me to

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really get another episode together. Yeah. I don't think we should do anything about

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Alex. I think we should put him on the back burner. Well, unfortunately, uh, I don't

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know how to tell you this, but I, I don't have any Project Camelot. I don't have Jim

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Baker. I know I've been talking a lot about this Russell Brand thing and I think

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eventually there might be an episode there, maybe a Jimmy Dore episode at some point

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down the line, branching out a tiny bit. Dan, I'm going to come to your rescue real

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quick. Okay. Because here's a question that I have been thinking about for so long.

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And that question is, well, I suppose it's not a question, but it's more like Alex

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rants about the devil and witches and we get all of his perspective and all of his

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guest's perspective on that. What have we never done? Um, we've never interviewed

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the devil. We've not done that? We've not, uh, had a month of puddings. That's also

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a year of the pudding. What I would say, what I will say to you is this, we have not

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interviewed the devil, but we should talk to someone who has somebody's interviewed

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the devil. Oh yeah. Dan, we haven't seen, we haven't heard from witches. We haven't

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heard from magicians. We haven't heard from the magical powered people, what they

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feel about the devil. Well, I mean, maybe not specifically on the devil, but we've

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definitely heard some people with powers on Project Camelot, not specifically magic.

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Can I also say that I think that our main subject, Alex Jones, thinks he can do

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magic. And also he has seen the devil. So maybe he's actually interviewed the

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devil too. Possible. I think we'll find that there are a lot of similarities.

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Joe Rogan has talked to the clockwork elves that do, when you do DMT. Sure, sure.

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But I would say, uh, we're about to talk, well. Some witches? Oh yeah. We are going

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to, uh, we're going to hear what it is. This is an out of context drop for you to

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give you a little idea of what's going on. All right, great. So, and the next

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question, let's get into the role of the devil and the saints and European magic

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and witchcraft. And do you believe in the devil? And if so, are there a lot of them?

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What is the devil? What is, what is the devil? Do you believe in the devil?

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Personally? Yes. No. If so, wait, that kind of messes up the second part of the

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question. Follow up is going to be tough. Let's undo that. All right. Imagine I do.

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Should you believe in the devil? Right. Would you believe that there is a bunch

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of them? Uh, sure. Okay. Here is what I will say to you about what we're going

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to talk about. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That was just a

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standalone question. Absolutely. Okay. Because you need to know what's going to,

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I'm going to tell you what's going to happen here. Okay. We are going to talk

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to, uh, Gordon White, who is a chaos magician. Oh, I thought it was going to be

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a sting. Isn't his name Gordon? Yeah, I think so. Uh, Rex bear is the host of the

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leak project and I am a little bit in love with him. Dan, I'm going to tell you

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this right now. We are not going to be talking about a monster. We're not going

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to be talking about evil people. I have done my best to find us the early days

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of project Camelot whenever it was just joy when it was just pure beauty. Sure.

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When we didn't have to go into somebody's background and have them say like,

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Oh, and by the way, I'm an antisemite. You know, we didn't have to, we don't

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have to do that today, buddy. Well, we might not yet. How deep did you dig on

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these people? I dug a little bit. And the craziest part about it is Gordon

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White is, uh, an anti-racist. Uh, he's a, like the Hemant one. Uh, he's a, uh,

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I mean, I can't say it any other way than his words. Um, Gordon White is a chaos

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magician, shamanic practitioner, and permaculture farmer based in Tasmania.

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His website and podcast, Rune Soup, is one of the most popular digital

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wandering holes in the world of modern magic. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He's from

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Tasmania? He is from Tasmania. Has he interviewed the Tasmanian devil? I don't

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know. He might have. He might be confused. He didn't talk to the actual devil.

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There are some spells that he will tell us about later that do require, uh,

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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't do good impressions.

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So he is, uh, he continues. A success in many spheres, Gordon has worked for

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some of the world's largest digital and social media companies. In a life that

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few experience, he has partied with princes, dined in castles, been mentored

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by a former director of a private spy agency, and had a billionaire knight buy

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him a bottle of champagne. He brings the same chameleon skills to his magical

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work. Gordon has dived in search of sharks in lost cities, set in ceremony

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under desert stars. Can I, can I pause? Yes. Why are you looking for sharks in

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lost cities? Magic. But you'd want, I think in lost cities there's more to be

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found than sharks. You can find sharks anywhere. Uh, I mean, yeah, but not the

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most magical ones. The most magical sharks obviously moved into the lost

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cities. Uh huh. And by being in the lost cities have gained the magical powers.

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They've learned how to use tools. Absolutely. They have a rudimentary language.

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Okay. Yeah. They've grown opposable fins. All right. He's burying the lead then.

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He's doing a lot of burying the lead. Uh, yeah. So he has, I mean, his credits

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are amazing. It's quite a resume. It is a resume. Uh, it doesn't get better than

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that. So he's, he's the, he's like a 30, he's like my age. Okay. And a billionaire

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knight has bought him a bottle of champagne. Have you ever had a billionaire

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knight buy you a bottle of champagne? Not once. I have not had, I mean, he, he said

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it's a life that few experience. Right. I have actually had a billionaire knight

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buy me, um, well it wasn't champagne. It was just sparkling grape juice. So I

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can't really compete. Uh, I had a millionaire dick bag buy me a bottle of

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champagne. Okay. You and I shared it. You're close. Yeah. Oh yeah. Remember that?

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Yeah. It was fine. It was all right. I wouldn't put it in my credits. No.

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Uh, so he is being interviewed by Rex bear. Mm hmm. Uh, and bear is the host

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of the leak project, which I guess is a, uh, a podcast and web series. Uh,

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his, its words, uh, the news media and the government, this is its description

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of what it's, it is. Okay. Okay. The news media and the government are entwined

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in a vicious circle of mutual manipulation, mythmaking and self-interest

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journalists need crises to dramatize news and government officials need to

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appear to be responding to crises. Too often the crises are not really crises,

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but joint fabrications.

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The two institutions have become so ensnared in a symbiotic web of lies that

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the news media are unable to tell the public what is true and the government

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is unable to govern effectively. There's a kernel of something there. Sure.

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That's it's credits. That's a leak project. It's a complaint. Exactly.

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Okay. That is how the leak project in about us writes about the government

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and not at all about the leak project. Yeah. I don't know if just from that

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description, I wouldn't know if this is a show or yeah. All right.

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Just kind of mad. Now crazily enough, that does not, uh, move over to Rex bear.

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Rex bear is a delight of a man. Uh,

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and he's going to tell us what we're going to talk about today,

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but that also must mean that he's harboring these feelings. Uh, I mean,

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he's mad at the government, but like how we all are, you know,

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like it is fucking up. Sure. And if you believe in magic,

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maybe you think it's fucking up a little bit weirder. Yeah, I would assume so.

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Yeah. And I want to get into real quick what we're going to talk about.

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We're going to discuss the grim war tradition and its relationship to chaos

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magic, the latest consciousness science, and the return of animism,

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the role of the devil and the saints in European magic and witchcraft,

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a chaos magic form of remote viewing a method of summoning dragon spirits.

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That sounds exciting. A Sumerian method of banishing ghosts.

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I need that one. A complete system of security location. Hello.

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And the second part of the podcast,

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we will be taking questions from the live audience and ghost. Get out of here.

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Your ears perked up because you asked the question,

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why does he need what's going on with your life? Why does he need that spell?

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I've been waiting for someone to give me the spell to banish ghosts. Right?

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My house is just full of fucking ghosts. It's like that show ghosts.

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And you'll see he's, he's developing a recurring theme there.

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That spell is going to come back up.

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He is not going to explain to us why he needs it though. That sucks.

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It drives me insane. There's a couple of things that I have to deal with here.

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First, too much on the plate. If you have a show that's too much to get into.

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It is. Second, he's pretty,

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I think he's selling it pretty well. Like spell to banish ghosts.

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I could use that. Spell to get dragon spirits.

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Ooh, that sounds nice. That's exciting. Yeah, I know.

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It's like a morning news list. It is pretty exciting. It would be.

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Also, chaos magic. I can't not think of Sonic the Hedgehog,

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the chaos emeralds. Oh yeah. Chaos control.

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Yeah, we'll find that chaos magic is very different from that.

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Does that have to do with sex magic?

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Um, here's the, I mean, I can't really answer so much of that

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because I've read Gordon White's books, which was a fun thing for me to do.

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And his belief system of what chaos magic is, is kind of everything's right.

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So in his book about what spells are, this dude is really, really brilliant.

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I don't know if he's brilliant so much as if he has an eidetic memory.

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He's absurdly well read. And he cites things that are 100% true.

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He's a fan of anthropology to the point where if he starts telling you

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about the history, he can talk for five straight minutes,

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tell you everything that actually happened, that is understood,

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and then be like, okay, now we know what happened.

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Here's why magic did it, you know? And you're like, what? What?

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Wait, why? Why did you do that?

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Maybe someone put a spell on him.

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That's, hmm.

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That made him think that magic's real.

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Well, I'll tell you, I can, we're going to do a couple of spells.

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I'll show you some spells.

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Okay.

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But first, here's what's important about this show before we go any further.

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This is the most evil portion of the show.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The introduction?

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It is an ad.

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Oh no.

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Yeah.

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And also real quick, folks, I wanted to let you know,

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my friends over at tradelikeagenius.com are offering specials to

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League Project listeners.

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This is just a really great way to learn about trading out of the

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convenience of your own home.

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And what's nice about this is they'll actually send you trade alerts.

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So I just wanted to show people real quick,

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because I've been getting dozens of emails the past few days, Rex,

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how does this actually work?

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So I'm going to show you real quick what it is because I think it's,

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it's essentially super easy and a lot of people get nervous about it.

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So it'll take me 10 seconds here.

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I'm going to do a quick screen share this right here. Boom.

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This is an alert that I get every single day.

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So this is a trading alert that I've got about an hour ago.

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You can see right here,

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I clicked on the alert and then I open it up in here and this shows you

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exactly the time to buy.

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And you can also get into more details with the charts.

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Let them know leak project sent you. All right, man, let's,

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let's rock and roll. Let's get into this. Gordon, where do we start?

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Where do we start?

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Oh, we already started.

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Exactly. Now why Dan,

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do you think that a company like trade like a genius would choose a show

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that might be a lot about wealth magic to put an ad for trading?

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I think it speaks for itself.

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Yeah. Also,

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I assume the trade like a genius isn't necessarily a gigantic company.

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And maybe this is something that's within their advertising budget.

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I mean, I think they are pretty big. I'm not sure.

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I didn't look into trade like a genius, but it is what it is.

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It's another one of those wealth trading apps where it's like, okay,

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according to this signal of a line that goes up, whenever it does this,

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you should buy blah, blah, blah, and then in an hour trade it.

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And it's more of a subscription service.

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So it's not like they get a cut of your trades.

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It is like you pay them five bucks a month or whatever it is.

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It's one of those kinds of things. Strange.

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I find it sketchy no matter what,

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but also the presentation of this ad is far more ethical than the way Alex

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does it. 100%. 100%. This is, these guys really are trying to do things

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as close to what they believe is the right way as they possibly can.

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Now, they do also have a lot of that wealth magic stuff in there.

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And Gordon White's book, The Chaos Protocols,

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is two things.

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It is like an exhaustive collection of historical

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spells and magic and an exploration of where they came from

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and who created them. And it's really, really dense.

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The other thing it is, is a millennial screed against how the government

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and the economy is fucking us over and how in the 1960s,

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certain things were worth this and now we can't buy houses.

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And it's full on anarchist, socialist, like we've got to do all this shit.

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You know what I'm thinking about? I don't know if I'm making too big of a leap here,

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but it makes sense to me that magicians would not like our current monetary system

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because alchemy works with the gold standard.

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Oh my god, actually let me, no, no, no. I have this prepared for you.

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Hold on. No, no, no. You don't even fucking know how right you are.

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That was not a big leap. Holy shit. I can't wait to read you this.

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I thought that was a stupid thought I had.

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No, no, no. 100% right. Listen to this shit.

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This is going to boggle your mind. Okay, from The Chaos Protocols.

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Until 1971, the value of the dollar was pegged to a fixed amount of precious metals,

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just as it was at the beginning of a fractional reserve banking system.

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Right.

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When the famous voodooist Marie Laveau and her daughter were alive in the 19th century,

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a dollar was either made with a guaranteed amount of silver

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or was convertible into a specified amount. True things, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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This fixed the value-

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Well, actually I don't know when this voodooist was around.

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Well, that's fair. This fixed the value of a dollar into something real.

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Now, this is where we add that, so that reasonable, no big deal.

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Now we just go, and here's where magic is involved.

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So if either Laveau senior or junior had used the customary folk magical practice

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of putting a dollar under a candle, she would have been growing wealth from a fixed amount.

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If you have tried this same piece of folk magic any time after 1971,

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then you are doing the opposite.

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In today's money, you need almost $5.78 to buy the equivalent of what a dollar could buy you in 1971.

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Such a magical act encodes an erosion of wealth rather than an accumulation.

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Magic has, like-

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Inflation.

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Okay.

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That's baffling.

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I know. I've read that 30 times trying to figure out what it is he's really trying to say to me.

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Mm-hmm.

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He's saying that when we went off the gold standard, magic stopped working as well.

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Right, right. Because it was concretely connected to these resources.

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Exactly. And there's a certain, I mean, there's a certain logic to that.

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Nope.

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Well-

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Disagree.

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If you're a magician.

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I mean, I get the thought track.

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Right.

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I get how this makes sense to someone who has those beliefs.

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Yeah, you came up with it.

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Yeah, well, I was making a joke.

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Right.

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It's kind of like how you would make a joke about a libertarian being against roads and so make flying cars.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then someone's like, we actually should have flying cars because then we don't need roads.

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I know, but it's also a little weird for that to be the gold standard is the issue.

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Yeah.

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Well, all of these roads that the government shouldn't be paying for lead back to the gold standard somehow.

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Right, right.

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So I'm going to tell you this about Gordon in case that little stretch of dense text didn't make it clear.

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He is a talker.

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He's a long-winded talker and Rex gives him, I mean, seven, eight minutes of uninterrupted speech at a time.

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And he cannot stay on topic.

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He rambles about consistently.

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And I can't like really explain that to anybody.

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And I'm not going to put you through five minutes.

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So what I've done is I took the next eight minutes stretch of time where he speaks uninterrupted.

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And I've made one of those little time montages for you.

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Supercut.

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Yeah, a little supercut.

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All right.

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Here we go.

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Gordon, where do we start?

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I don't know.

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I mean, you held up a number of books there that I mean,

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maybe we should start with what a grimoire is because it's a really evocative term.

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Right.

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So, I mean, originally it comes from the French and it's it's related to the same root word as we get the word grammar from.

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So it is about words and so on.

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Originally, it meant any book that was written in Latin.

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So that kind of gives you some indication of I've seen Saul Alinsky.

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I thought it was furniture.

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It's described as an armoire collection of tricks of doing things, you know.

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But inside this term grimoire, which was only applied much, much later,

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the sort of idea of books of magic or documents of magic in the European context goes back to evocatory grimoires or grimoires of evocation,

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of calling up spirits, either demons, angels, whatever it happens to be.

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Now, the top one isn't one of them.

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So that's called that's the sworn book of Honorius.

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And inside the kind of category of the umbrella of grimoires, you have Solomonic grimoires, which is like the Lesser Key,

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which is one of the bottom ones you have there.

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And you have other ones that are to do with scholastic or image magic, like the sworn book of Honorius.

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So that's like the main one. That's the one that everyone knows.

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That's the Big Daddy, contemporary psychological nodes of recalling things for exams and so on.

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Honorius has like angels and so on in it,

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because the idea was that you would do these certain practices and say these certain prayers and angels would teach you the liberal arts.

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The Key of Solomon, which is the other one,

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that was what we call a Solomonic grimo, obviously, because the Key of Solomon is the most well-known one.

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They pretend to be written by someone potent in history.

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So, of course, Solomon from the Bible actually binds demons and uses them or gets them to build a temple.

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So this idea of calling spirits and getting them to do the bidding of a holy person or to do the bidding of good,

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if you will, is why so many books are called Solomonic.

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OK.

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Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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Right.

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Sure.

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I have a few problems, I think.

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Oh, there are so many.

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Well, I don't know about the ethics of enslaving demons.

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Right.

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Like, I understand they're demons.

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Sure.

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But what does that do to you to enslave a thing?

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That actually will come up later on.

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Oh.

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Yeah?

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I don't like how on point I am with this.

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You are essentially thinking like a chaos magician of the highest caliber.

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Maybe I listen to too much stupid shit.

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Maybe it's just that magic and everything that we talk about are essentially the same concept, which is whatever I think is true is true.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Yeah, and I think that one of the things about magic that's kind of different than some other conspiracy stuff is that there needs to be a system to magic.

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You know, in order for people to really try and make their argument, there needs to be a system.

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Whereas with conspiracy theories, there is the absence of the system.

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There's the beginning and the conclusion, and then the middle is like, the globalists are doing all this stuff.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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Whereas this, there's no ending.

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There's a beginning and a thought in the middle.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's the system.

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Right.

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And I can kind of see that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, but it's still...

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It's long.

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It's long.

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And he just keeps going.

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So Solomon put demons in books, and then angels help you remember things?

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Yeah, a lot like that.

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Essentially what he's saying over eight minutes is grimoires are a couple of different things, but generally speaking, we're talking about books that have history

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or magic spells.

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The end.

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Do I associate that word with Harry Potter?

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You could.

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Grimoire is a famous, you know, Skyrim has grimoires.

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That might be what I'm thinking of.

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Grimoire is a traditional, like, high fantasy magical term for a book.

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I think it's probably Skyrim that I'm thinking of.

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Yeah, that would make sense.

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Now, we heard a lot about Solomon.

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Right.

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Now, our host Rex Bear, he comes back from this eight-minute stretch where he lets Gordon speak uninterrupted with this.

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Okay.

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Now, even the word Solomon, somebody brought up to me once, and I was like, you're right.

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Sol, sun, o, and then mon, Solomon, meaning like sun and the moon.

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So that's, I don't know, it's almost like an archetype name that's bringing the light and the dark together.

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Damn.

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See?

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Deep, right?

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I cannot love more that he just, that Gordon went for so long.

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And the first thing this dude has to come back with is, like, somebody told me, like, Sol and then moon.

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Yeah?

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Well, I mean, like, isn't moon not moon in most other older languages?

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Isn't, like, loon, like, more of that sort of phonetic structure?

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Yeah.

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And sun, I guess sol you could get.

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You know.

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I don't know.

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I think, hmm, I don't buy it.

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I mean, it's more, this level of thinking from him is more like if you were, like, Solomon, you know, solo, and then mon from, like, Pokemon.

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So it's, like, one Pokemon.

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It's that level of shit right there.

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I think that a lot of the folks that we end up looking at do, like, word association games.

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Yeah.

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And I can relate.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's a lot of fun.

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That's what a lot of comedy is, quite frankly.

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Yeah, you're not far off.

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Just making little connections that aren't really there, but people go, ugh!

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That's why it works sometimes, and sometimes it's all flat.

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Yeah.

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So you can see that we're clearly dealing with a disparity of expertise between our host and our guest here.

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Whimsy on one hand.

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Yes.

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Loquaciousness on the other.

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It is kind of delightful.

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And it doesn't get worse, their relationship.

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It just gets nicer.

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Like, it's interesting.

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I think you even told me this once when I discussed how I read some passages out of the Book of the Dead, and it spooked me out.

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I had that real freaky dream, and some weird things started happening.

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I quit messing with it.

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Was it you that said, well, that's because you're messing with some of the most powerful magic in the world?

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It might have been.

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It might have been me.

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It was absolutely not him.

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The Tibetan Book of the Dead?

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Yep.

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We talk about the Tibetan Book of Dead as well as the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

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Okay.

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And how they're different.

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Okay.

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And yet, this is an important part of chaos magic.

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I'm listening.

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They are both 100% accurate.

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Okay.

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Even if they disagree with each other, they're still right.

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This is another thing about magic, everything is right.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty tough to wrestle with.

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Real tough to swallow.

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So the other thing, too, that I enjoy is I had some freaky dreams around the time of this messing with the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

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And like, come on, man, did you have too much ice cream before bed?

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Is there another variable?

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He's got a lot of freaky dreams.

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Sure.

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I've had freaky dreams.

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I have a copy of the Book of the Dead somewhere.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's affected my dreams.

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It really doesn't.

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No.

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But that's kind of how Gordon treats this whole thing, is anything that Rex comes back at him with, he's like, yeah, that sounds right.

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That sounds good.

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And then he just keeps going.

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Like, I don't think he heard a word Rex said the entire time.

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I think that there's a necessity of collaboration and mutual support in talking about magic more than there is in improv.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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If you start to split hairs and be like...

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It's all over.

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No.

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It's all over.

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Yes.

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One time you ruin the premise.

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The whole interview stops.

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Everybody just goes, what?

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I don't understand.

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Right.

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Because conceivably, if magic were real, you'd be able to cast a spell.

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Exactly.

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And prove you're right.

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The point being, yes.

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Unfortunately, we do not cast any spells on the show.

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Because we'd be messing around with too much power, Dale.

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I understand that.

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Yeah.

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That's the kind of thing where it's like, I could prove you wrong, but I can't talk about the thing that I know.

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Right.

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I have all the evidence, but I can't show it to you.

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Right.

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All right.

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So our boy Rex Bear continues.

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I mean, I can't even describe some of what he's doing here.

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He's a delight.

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You can.

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Some funny things can happen if you just mess around with it.

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And I'm not saying not to do it.

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I'm saying it's potent.

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Things will happen.

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Well, certainly, I've had my fun.

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And I just read a few of the scriptures.

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Anyway, yeah, like the one Giving Mouth.

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That was an interesting hieroglyphic set.

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I don't know if anybody...

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They were having a little bit of fun in that one.

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But hey, why not?

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I mean, it's your time to pass.

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I mean, anyway.

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So anyway, I'm not going to get too deep into that.

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You probably know what I'm talking about in that one.

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Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

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Yeah.

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It looks like the Pharaoh is getting some action during that certain ritual,

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which is very interesting because he's already in the coffin.

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He's like already in the sarcophagus.

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But then somebody brought up, it was like,

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hey, man, that's like the most powerful time in your life right there

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when you're passing to the other side.

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Like he's getting fucked in a coffin?

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Yep.

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And somebody's response is like,

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man, that's the most powerful time of your life when you're dead.

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Dead.

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You don't have to be dead to be in a coffin.

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No, no.

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This just sounds like dudes talking about drugs.

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100%.

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Like, hey, I'm not saying don't mess with it, but it's potent.

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Exactly.

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Look out.

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Exactly.

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This shit will fuck you up.

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I've had so many people tell me that about things like,

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hey, man, look, I know that you've smoked weed before,

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but this stuff is, it'll mess you up.

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Be careful.

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Oh, yeah.

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I'm not saying don't.

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I'm not saying don't.

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Just be responsible.

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Just know what you're getting into.

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If you start fucking with magic, it's not going to stop fucking with you.

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Right.

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Everybody would say that about mushrooms back when we were like 17, 18.

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Yeah.

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That's when he says like, I know I've had my fun.

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Where you're like, what?

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With what?

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What?

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What are you doing?

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What are you talking about?

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He's got fucked in a coffin.

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I know.

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He insinuates that he has done so much magic and he has so many problems and he's never,

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he does not explain it whatsoever.

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Maybe having all this fun and fucking in coffins is how all the ghosts showed up in his house.

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Right.

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Now, Dan, here is where we're going to get into some real trouble.

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Okay.

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You continue to be a witch.

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Yeah.

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Which is funny on this episode because once again, you have brought out drugs being very

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important.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to tell you, and you've gotten one of the answers right, but I wanted to look

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into some chaos magic.

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Sure.

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Right.

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And Gordon explains that there are three effective ways to become invincible.

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Okay.

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Can I, before we, before we get to this, can I ask you, how is chaos spelled?

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Regular.

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Okay.

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C-H-A-O-S.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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It would've been, it would've been more arcane if he went with a K or yeah.

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I thought there might be something weird in there.

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Yeah.

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It would've been nice.

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Like oom-lout or something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So.

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Do I have to guess?

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You can try.

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You've already got one.

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Drugs?

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One is drugs.

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That makes you invincible?

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That's the best way to do it.

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Wow.

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It's the most effective way.

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That's number one.

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I would say that this is a bad message to send.

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Well, well.

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I am totally fine with people messing around with drugs responsibly.

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Right.

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I would never say it makes you invincible.

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It's not.

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It's not.

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He says, specifically, the most effective route to becoming invincible is to take a

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high dose of psychedelics in a suitable ritual environment.

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So he does want you to be safe.

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Or at least-

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I think it could make you feel invincible.

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I think that's kind of the point.

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Right.

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Yep.

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Doesn't make you invincible.

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All right.

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Let me guess.

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Okay.

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Sacrifice of another human.

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No.

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Uh-uh.

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Animal?

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Uh, no.

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Uh, drinking blood.

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No sacrifices.

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Sacrifices are a historical thing.

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Is that a job, then, really?

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Uh, trying not to be.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Is booze included with the drugs?

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I think he's actually anti-booze.

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He's one of those guys.

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It's tough to do magic when you're, like, falling over.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Well, I'll tell you the second most effective.

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Okay.

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Lighting a candle and reciting the Lord's Prayer backwards every night for three nights.

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I was not going to guess that.

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That was the second most effective, Dan.

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So it's high dose of psychedelics and then maybe just light a candle for three nights.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Sure.

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And then, of course, the third.

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Wait.

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Wait.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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I think I know this.

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Okay.

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I think I know this.

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We have to run really fast for three blocks and then do six push-ups.

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Getting close.

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Get up, climb to the top of a roof, run around the top of a building, eat two eggs.

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Two eggs.

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Can't be one egg.

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Raw.

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Raw?

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Yes.

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That's rude.

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And then jump off the roof.

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Well, obviously.

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I feel like that would make you invincible.

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Nope.

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Okay.

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The third most effective way is the preliminary invocation or headless rite.

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You have to chop your head off?

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Uh, no.

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Oh.

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But you are summoning the holy guardian angel.

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Okay.

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Let me give you a little bit of idea of what the headless rite is.

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There are detailed instructions here.

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Face north, touch your left temple and then your right temple with the parchment and read

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aloud what is written on it six times.

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Eos, abraoth, basim, isak, sebaoth, laoth.

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Six times.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Then say, I'm not going to do it six times because I don't want us to get accidentally

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invincible.

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I understand.

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I understand.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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Do you want to accidentally become invincible?

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No.

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No, no, no.

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Then say, subject to me all daemons so that every daemon, which is not spelled like demon,

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so that every daemon, whether heavenly or aerial or earthly or subterranean or terrestrial

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or aquatic, might be obedient to me and every enchantment and scourge, which is from God.

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Okay.

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It goes on.

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Move from facing north to facing the direction of Orion and continue.

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I summon you headless one who created earth and heaven, who created night and day.

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You created the light and darkness that you are, oh so round-robed.

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It continues.

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Sure.

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Several pages on.

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This is quite a ritual.

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I invoke you with all power and I pray to you with the authority of the one who spoke

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truth and who hath made and who hath... So you see, it's a long ritual.

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Yeah.

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This is a problem for me for a couple reasons.

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Why is that?

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Here's the first one.

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Why is that?

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What does it mean to be invincible?

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Does that mean you can't be killed?

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Does that mean you can't be harmed in any way?

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It is the least explained part of his book, if that might be a help to you.

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Second question.

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What do you think being invincible is, I think is a really important question for what you

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think you got out of this?

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I think that's the only way to know if you were successful or not.

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Right.

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Second question.

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Yeah.

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How long does this invincibility last?

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Forever.

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Really?

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Forever.

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Really?

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Yep.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I mean, you've got the book right here.

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I can email it to you.

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Well, I would say that this has not worked ever because we don't have a bunch of invincible

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people walking around.

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Actually, I can't prove that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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That's where the magician always wins.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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I was thinking if this was like a shorter term invincibility spell, it really wouldn't

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be helpful if it's six pages long because you'd only really want to use that spell if

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you need it fairly soon.

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Right.

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Well, I mean, one of them takes three nights.

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You can't just whip that one out with your old fashioned grimoire.

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True.

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True.

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And the other one is like doing ayahuasca.

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The other one is doing a shit ton of drugs, which you can do in a hurry.

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That is true.

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Sure.

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It's harder to do drugs really quick in a safe environment.

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Yes, that is true.

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That's more of a challenge.

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Okay.

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So now we want to get into some comparing with Alex, right?

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Because we're talking about the devil.

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We also need to talk about the afterlife.

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Right.

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We need to talk about...

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Well, go ahead.

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Compare notes.

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It might be a fraught passage between death and the afterlife.

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And the whole point of the books of the dead, so the new kingdom versions of it, was this

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idea that when you die, the passage to the good parts of the afterlife, you have to kind

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of navigate.

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And it's not just the judgment scene.

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It's not just the weighing of the heart.

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There's like the swamps you have to get through that are filled with snakes and all this kind

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of thing.

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So the movement of the soul from the body to the good parts of the afterlife requires

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not just full knowledge of what's going to happen, hence their training and so on, but

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also that it's not...

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It doesn't necessarily follow that just because you're dead, you get whisked into the good

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place.

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You have to sort of get there and it's...

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Alex believes that when you die, if you did good, you can go to heaven, right?

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Right.

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But a lot of theologians believe you just sit with a harp and that's not true.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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So Alex agrees with him, right?

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In order to get to heaven, you have to die and then crawl through a swamp with snakes.

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Right.

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I have some questions about that.

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What questions could you possibly have about that?

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Are these living snakes?

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Are they like real snakes?

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I think they have to be living snakes.

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Well, in that case, the swamp has to have like an ecosystem because then the swamps

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need things to eat.

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They reproduce.

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Right.

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Totally.

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Then there could be like ecological changes that happen and then the snakes are like they

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have to migrate.

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Is there afterlife climate change?

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Is that what you're saying?

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Exactly.

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There has to be a climate if...

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What if there's an invasive species that starts, and maybe it's nicer to people, so the snakes

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don't even bite them anymore.

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The snakes are all gone and it's just a bunch of rabbits.

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Then are you going to need to artificially bring in more snakes?

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Obviously you will.

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It's a complex system.

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It's like a golf course trying to get to heaven.

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I feel like you could just much more easily have fake snakes.

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Yeah.

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Sneaky fake snakes.

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Probably.

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Now let's get into some fun.

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We got to talk about ghosts.

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I love it.

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It is a storehouse for all the things that are unpredictable and may oppose us.

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And so there's a woman, she's been on the show as well, Corinne Boyer.

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She's an American herbalist.

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She has a book called Plants of the Devil and it's looking at plants that are in European

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witchcraft traditions that are associated with the devil.

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She calls it the wild adversary and that's a really good way of understanding what the

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devil is.

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The devil is adversarial because that makes the devil a really bad weather event.

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It makes the devil all these adversarial things as well and untamed.

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And so it's this category that refuses to be categorized.

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So this is what it's like to get to, we need to talk about ghosts with this guy.

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The words immediately before this are like, okay, what do you think about ghosts?

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And so he's like, okay, first thing you got to know, here's what the devil is.

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This herbalist believes that the devil is the natural adversary.

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Yep.

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And now we move.

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But also I don't think that when you say natural adversary, it evokes the idea of weather to

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me.

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Cause I've never seen a storm and been like, that's my enemy.

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The enemy.

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The enemy of my, what's the enemy of my enemy in the storm situation?

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I don't have an adversarial relationship with weather.

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No.

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Nope.

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But.

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And I don't feel it does with me either.

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But if you believe that everything is some sort of force or action or spirit.

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Conscious spirit.

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Then the devil to you in this situation is really whatever you think it is.

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Right.

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It is the, it is the idea of an adversary is what the devil is.

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So whatever you think you're doing, if somebody is trying to stop you, that's the devil.

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Right.

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I can, I can kind of get into that a tiny bit as long as you don't go too far with

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that thinking.

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Yeah, exactly.

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No, there's a lot of, there's a lot of this that's just like regular old self-help stuff.

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Yeah.

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And then you're like, but also you hold a crystal or something.

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As long as you can stay like sort of self aware of what you're, you know, using these

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ideas for.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if it's necessarily terrible to be like, my laziness is the devil.

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No, exactly.

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No.

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And it is, it is kind of, that is kind of what Gordon White is trying to do in, in I

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think what he, what he's, his main goal is, right?

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He's trying to create a system where in you can be a good person, you know, you can care

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about other people.

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You can do all of this other stuff.

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You can fight racism.

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He's, he's a gay man.

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And what's so important to him is the way that the LGBTQ community is being treated

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right now.

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Like he's furious about all of this stuff.

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Beyond that, I don't know.

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He might be a monster who, I mean, he's a COVID denialist, but he's a magician.

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So what are you going to do?

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Right.

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Derms can't be real if you're a magician.

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Exactly.

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If you're a magician, you can't be like, oh, viruses are scary.

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You know, what are you going to do?

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Because you don't have any spells to deal with.

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Exactly.

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There's no, in 1971 viruses were worth $5 and 38 cents more than they are today.

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So, so he's trying to create a unified, if everything is true, magic, religion, all of

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this stuff, then we can stop fighting about it all the time.

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If I can tell you that Islamic beliefs are 100% true and that Islamic magical beliefs

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are 100% true and that God and Christianity and everything, and everything has something

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that he pulls from.

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So his basic idea, and let me try and take you, let me try and take you through his thought

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process here.

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Okay.

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If you just look at the least likely stuff, then you'll be a skeptic towards magic.

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You know, you're like, there's okay, you didn't actually perform that miracle.

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I think I could be skeptical about the most likely stuff.

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But if you were the person who doesn't want to be skeptical at all, and you want to be

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the smartest person in the room who always wins every argument, then what you do is you

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seek out the most likely, like the most credible magical thing that you can think of.

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A magical thing that is so credible that it can get a lot of people who would otherwise

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be like, no, of course it's not a miracle.

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Like what?

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I have no idea.

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Okay.

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It's him.

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No, no.

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I'm telling you the way he thinks.

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Right.

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I understand that, but I figured there would be an example of what the most credible thing

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is.

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I don't know.

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Call it the Shroud of Turin or whatever.

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Who cares?

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Sure.

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Hieroglyphics, magic or whatever, whatever it is you want.

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It's gotta be ancient, right?

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So then you can get into arguments with other people who already believe magic and be the

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smartest guy in the room.

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And since you've got these concrete examples that to you prove magic is real, then you

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can work back out again.

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Because if magic is real on this most credible example, then now I can point you to that

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miracle that is obviously bullshit and you'll be more likely to believe it because you already

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got-

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Because I've eroded your-

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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That is what's going on here.

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Fun.

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So he hits you with so much that eventually your ability to fight back is eroded.

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Right.

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That's one of the reasons you should just avoid conversations like this.

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Exactly.

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So he keeps going though.

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Now speaking of that, do you feel that the ancient Egyptians, the, let's go before some

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of the modern pharaohs that we've uncovered, that they've done an incredible job with preserving

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their bodies, but it seems to be like they were mimicking something even before then,

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maybe a scientific aspect that turned into a magical ritual versus, magic and science

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can be the same thing, but real magic works.

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Whereas there's the Suedo magic, which just gives you that good feeling, oh yeah, ha,

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that's amazing, but it doesn't really have that effect.

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So I'm just wondering if, do you think that there was an original race or race of beings,

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whether or not from here or somewhere else, but we're here on this planet at this specific

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time, ancient Egyptian, that were using their bodies and preserving it in a way that they

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could go into a different dimension, like when we pass and then bring that knowledge

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back?

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I mean, what do you think the purpose of it was to go through time and space?

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Super interesting question.

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I mean, it's an interesting question.

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My favorite, my favorite part, and you heard him give a little swerve to that time and

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space on the video, he does a little time and space movement, like he's waving his hands

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about like, Ooh, time and space.

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Yeah.

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Very, very fun.

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I don't know what to think about the question.

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I don't know if I care.

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Do you not think that magic and science can be the same thing, Dan?

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No.

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Oh, well you are.

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You know why?

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Why?

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Because that ritual involves putting a parchment up to the temples of your head and chanting

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something six times.

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Did you do it?

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No.

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Well then that's not very scientific, is it Dan?

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You have to test the hypothesis.

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I think a lot of people have, and they're not invincible.

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So maybe those are our test cases.

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I'll be the control group on this one.

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I won't do the spell and see if I'm invincible.

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So far so good.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So with this next clip, he is going to explain a little bit of like how summoning spirits

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and all of that works.

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And our host is going to really enjoy it.

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It's going to blow his mind.

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But it's also not.

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It's also like the oldest thing we've ever done.

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It's probably a hundred thousand years old because shamans are appointed to not have

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dominion over spirits, but to be the thing that gets spirits to do the things humans

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want more often than not.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's the, you just, I mean, I had some sinks there, some matrix sinks and some, some mind

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expansion.

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That was wonderful.

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Thank you.

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It was like, wonderful.

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What does that mean?

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And I also want to ask you this then, so we brought up the bird people and they are oftentimes

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referred to as the a GG.

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So you didn't tell me that earlier they'd brought up the bird people.

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They really hadn't brought up the bird people.

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Maybe it was all fair.

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It was more of like, I mean, they didn't bring up the bird people in that conversation where

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we saw the Pharaoh getting a blow job in the coffin.

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Sure.

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He then says, Oh, and we've also seen these hieroglyphics that are like bird people.

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So I mean, beyond him saying, there's a picture of a bird.

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There's also the, uh, the Ruto, right?

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In the Legend of Zelda.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's a Garuda.

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Garuda from Final Fantasy 7.

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No.

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Um, yeah.

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There's some bird people.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Big bird.

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We're going to get, we're going to talk more about birds.

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Okay.

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We're going to talk more about bird people.

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What's a sink in the matrix?

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So a sink in the matrix, what he's trying to say is they're calling, I'm pretty sure

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that he's trying to talk about four dimensional space, you know how, if you've got a planet,

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it's a sink, it's a gravity sink.

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So he's trying to do that for reality.

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He got sunk down into reality, man, in a way that is more powerful.

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And so he was sort of out of the conversation for a second?

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I guess.

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And then he went, he does that a lot.

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Yikes.

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So yeah.

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So Gordon's rolling now.

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Gordon's getting into it.

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Okay.

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Then why am I listening to anthropologists whose job it is to know this?

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If they don't know it.

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And I do.

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Do you go anyway?

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It's just, it's a buzzer.

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I have funding them though.

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Like you said, maybe it's, it's like behind the scenes people finding it.

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What happens?

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There's, there's so little money and so much competition for these jobs and these funding

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that if you don't find the proverbial sunken city, your career is over.

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So he's talking about how in Indonesia, they found hieroglyphics that he thinks are older

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than the oldest ones that people say publicly.

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And then there is also hieroglyphics in Australia that might be even older.

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Oh my.

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So he thinks that people are stupid for not knowing that these Australian hieroglyphics

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might be a little bit older.

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And then he goes on to be like, see the problem with journalism, right, is that you always

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have to find the most something.

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You always have to make it so big and everything.

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No self-awareness in terms of reading this fucking book about how everything is the most

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powerful shit you can do.

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Right.

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I mean, he's just trying to get some headlines.

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Exactly.

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He's chasing the very thing that he thinks is, and in order to get published for him,

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he has to make inflammatory...

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To me, it sounded like he was complaining about like archeology, about like if you don't

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find the sunken city, then you don't have a job.

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Exactly.

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And I would say to him, that is not true.

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There are all sorts of archeology departments around the world that have not, not like just

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like, we better fucking find the sunken city, we have two weeks to find the sunken city.

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The Dean is up my ass.

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We haven't found this fucking sunken city yet.

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I agree that finding the sunken city, whatever that means, would be a big find.

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Right.

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No one, yeah, no one's expected to find Atlantis or else their funding dries up.

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Totally.

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Except maybe in some kind of like, I don't know, if it's a quest being done by magicians

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that's privately funded.

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Well, you do have to find the eight seals in order to progress to the next level.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Absolutely.

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Because he's got more complaints about mainstream stuff, you know?

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So it doesn't matter what you find, it has to be like oldest painting in the world.

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And then you, if you read the actual text of it, it's still correct.

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And there's a get out where they don't actually say it's the oldest, but amongst the oldest

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or whatever.

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And it's, it's all just shit science journalism because no one, no one understands science

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less than a science journalist.

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Damn.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I disagree.

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You don't understand it less than a chaos magician though.

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I mean, depends on the chaos magician probably.

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I suppose.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I guess if his argument is that like headlines are sensationalized, sure.

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I agree.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's so fun.

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How mundane it is.

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He's like, oh man, I'm so powerful.

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I'm such a powerful magician.

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I can become invincible.

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These journalists don't know science, right?

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Well, I actually got to loop back to this invincibility thing.

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Yeah.

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What's wrong with it?

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Well, nothing actually.

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But I think that the implication is that anybody who knows these ways to become invincible

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must have taken the time to get invincible.

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Ah, well you would think, yeah, but if you know the invincibility spell, I should be

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free to attack you.

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You would think.

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Yeah.

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Cause you're invincible.

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Now here's, here's the problem with that though.

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Okay.

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I don't want to mess with magic.

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All right.

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We're talking about demons, demons, spirits, gods, which is fun.

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I like, I also kind of like his angle on so much of this.

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This dude is like, again, everything is real.

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So he believes in God.

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He believes in a lot.

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He believes in jinns for sure.

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Of course.

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You know, and it's, he doesn't have this like, oh, you need to worship God or like, it's

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more like, yeah, God's an old buddy of mine.

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If I call him, he'll help me get my car out of the snow.

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That's the kind of relationship you have with God in this scenario, which I think Alex would

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find similar.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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But also probably disrespectful.

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Yeah.

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But he says it.

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True.

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He's like, I've met God.

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I've gone beyond him.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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And so he's, he's proven that science journalists are full of shit.

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Right.

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He's alleged it.

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Here, he's going to prove some more stuff, but like my main, my main concern with alternate

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history in general is that it looks at this stuff and then for no reason, we'll fall back

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on a falsified materialist explanation.

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So we have, um, birdheaded people at Gobekli Tepe.

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We have a 44,000 year old male, as you say, birdheaded humanoid in Kiva.

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We have Garuda.

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So we have in, um, Hindu cosmology, we actually have like eagle headed man just next door

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to Indonesia.

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And that's before we get the whole way over to the Americas where once again, we find

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that motif.

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So, and by the way, this is the whole point of Starships is a book, right?

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We actually have the, um, the genetic markers to be able to trace the population movement

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through time down the Southern coast of Asia into where Indonesia is and up and around

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and across into the Americas.

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So we're dealing with the same cultures and we have the same motif showing up.

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So that's sufficient.

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See?

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It's vices.

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That's sufficient.

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It's like the genetic flow of the bird people, right?

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Yep.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So the problem with too many materialists, right, is that they fall back on falsifiable

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science.

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Uh huh.

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Right.

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As opposed to magic.

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Exactly.

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Cool.

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Now you've got it.

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Cool.

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That is our issue.

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Our problem with materialism is that you should be explaining it with magic or the materialism

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that I have chosen, such as genetic markers.

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Yeah, man.

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Look, sure.

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Materialism.

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Yeah.

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It's not evidence.

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Yeah.

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That's nothing compared to I say some things and then I feel weird.

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Right.

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100 percent.

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All right.

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So let's hear, we're going to hear about an old friend of ours, actually.

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Oh really?

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Yeah.

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We're going to get in some bird beings.

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Oh wow.

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Bird-headed beings in the imaginal or spirit world are attested everywhere and all of a

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sudden...

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I got to stop it right there.

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Imaginal?

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Yeah.

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We're calling that imaginary.

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We're calling it imaginal.

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No, no, no.

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Not imaginary.

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Things physical and imaginal.

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No, no, no.

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Not imaginary because that makes it sound like they're not real.

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Right, right.

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They're in the imagined space, Dan.

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Imaginary.

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Yeah, the whole thing kind of like falls into place without you having to...

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The classic example is Egypt, like land speeders and helicopters and all these things they

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definitely didn't have because you can look at the anomalies in history and they're definitely

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there.

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But if you've just land only on a materialist explanation for them, you end up with Zechariah

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Sitch and nuclear powered rocket ships and all the rest of it, you don't need to.

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Materialism is wrong.

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Like the spirit world is...

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However you define it, it is some kind of real.

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And so if you see this bird-headed motif everywhere, what I can tell you definitively is that that

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idea is at least 40,000 years old because that's as far back as you have to go to get

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all these cultures to effectively be in one place.

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And at that point you ask the question, well, what is it then?

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Does it need to be a physical bird man or can that be a spirit or some kind of entity

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or something that they encounter on drugs in dreams while doing shamanic journeying?

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Who knows?

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Who knows?

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And that I think is better.

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And I think it's more...

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That is better.

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I obviously have a preference for that, but I think that's a more satisfying way of taking

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the anomalies and the exciting and unusual things about history a bit more seriously

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without having to make statements for which there isn't a huge amount of evidence.

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Like we haven't found any, and it'd be surprising if we did, but we haven't found any skeletons

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of bird men.

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Right?

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True.

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At least that we know about.

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Exactly.

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But yeah, like you said, there's no public knowledge of bird skeletons.

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So until there is, we got to keep questioning.

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We got to keep searching.

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And the important thing is it's... so there could be private knowledge of bird skeletons.

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I love that form of just like...

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It's optimism.

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See, listen, we know we don't need to go around explaining things like Zachariah Sitchin with

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motor cars or bird skeleton beings or whatever.

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And his response is like, not yet, but if we keep looking, I bet there are.

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I like the idea that the criticism of Zachariah Sitchin is he's too materialist.

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It's a bizarre notion, but also, yeah, if I were this guy, that's exactly the route

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I would take.

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Yeah.

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They got high and saw demons or spirits or whatever.

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Totally.

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Great loophole.

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Great cop out.

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Yep.

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Because then, I mean, I guess like you could just say like, okay, so like all these cultures

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also have flood motifs in stories that they had.

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Everybody tripped balls and thought about floods.

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You got it.

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Or whatever.

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Great.

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Yep.

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And it's all about history and everything through folklore.

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Yes.

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Yes, 100%.

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Through just people got really high and saw stuff.

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Yeah.

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And it is kind of a, I find it very silly to me to think that birdheaded beings only

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go far, in the imaginary sense, only go as far back as however long.

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Like 40,000 years?

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The first time that a birdheaded being was imagined was like the first few people that

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were alive were like, oh man, wouldn't it be weird if you had a bird head?

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Like that was it.

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Like that's how humans work.

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Especially if they were getting high.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And they definitely found a way.

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If animals can get high.

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Also, there's probably, you know, I think birdheaded people is kind of a pretty easy

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jump to make because you're thinking about like, oh, birds can fly.

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Yeah.

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Wouldn't it be fun to fly?

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Wouldn't it be fun to fly if there's probably a person with a bird head moving on?

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Boom.

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It's not a far jump to get to birdheaded beings.

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Especially if you're an early artist painting stuff.

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Totally.

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Absolutely.

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Uh, okay.

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So now let's get past all of our fun little openings because we're here to talk about

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the devil.

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Oh, I forgot about the devil.

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We're talking about the devil.

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What is the devil?

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It's pronounced devil.

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Devil?

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Do you believe in the devil?

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And if so, are there a lot of them?

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What is the devil?

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Um, so I mean, this is a huge area.

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Like when, as well as the grimoire course, there's also a saints and saints magic course

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because the premium members vote on one each quarter and we do that.

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And I actually gave a talk at the beginning of this year on the devil in general, in particular

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from a magical perspective.

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The devil is a bunch of stuff.

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Devil's a bunch of stuff.

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Devil's a bunch of stuff.

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Great.

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Yep.

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That kind of hurts the definite article, the, being in front of it, but okay.

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I'm listening.

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Yeah.

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So that's kind of where we're going and where we're coming from with everything is anything

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that is, is probably a bunch of stuff.

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And the operating principle is short story long, you know, also avoid being too specific.

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Oh, you don't want to be too specific.

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No, listen, the devil's this, but the devil's also this and the devil's this specificities

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for the materialist.

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That's the problem with the materials.

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They keep wanting those evidentiary things.

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So let's keep it.

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We need to hear more about the devil.

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What is the devil?

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Dan?

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Devil.

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You have to think of, think of it.

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And I have this hypothetical Portuguese grandmother from the 14th century, and I said, pretend

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you are this.

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And your daughter is going to marry the feckless son of the blacksmith.

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And you think she should marry the son of the trader and have a much better life.

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And you have to understand that if you were the semi-literate Catholic woman and by semi-literate,

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probably illiterate, the devil is the Lord of the earth.

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The devil is set by God to rule the earth.

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And so, yes, you aren't supposed to worship the devil.

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But if you're like, because the devil exists in your Catholic frame, and he's literally

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the Lord of the earth, like the devil offers Jesus the whole world.

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So I mean, he's set by God to rule this earth.

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That means if you have earthly concerns, you take them to the devil.

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And so on a Sunday, you might go to mass and then you might leave your family and toddle

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off into the woods and do some sort of offering to the devil to kill the feckless blacksmith's

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son or to have his interests in your granddaughter diminish.

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That's, I mean, those are very different options.

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What a huge drop off.

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Kill the guy or just be less interested.

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Yeah, there really were only those two options back in the day.

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Yeah.

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I think also there's something in the Bible about God being a jealous God and, you know,

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I don't know if he'd be super thrilled if you go into the woods.

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You toddle off into the woods, do a little offering.

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So you can kill this guy who wants to marry your daughter or your daughter wants to marry.

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Yes, exactly.

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We need to make sure that this, for some reason, Portuguese grandma, who I don't ask me why,

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but you understand what the devil is now, obviously.

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Somewhat.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's sort of a mid-level administrator for earthly issues.

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Exactly.

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Right.

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Right.

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So, well, I mean, maybe he's not.

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Oh no.

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So what you do have at the top is a sort of unholy triumvirate of Lucifer, Beelzebub and

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Satan.

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They're not necessarily summoned at all, really, in main Solomonic grimoires.

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But those names are used because they're the kings of the underworld.

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Those names are used to, so you sort of summon lesser spirits in the name of that triumvirate

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or one spirit in particular.

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It depends on the book, but they'll have different, they might be categorized under one of these

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three different sort of like rulers with Lucifer at the top, because Lucifer is the king of

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spirits, right?

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And so the idea of the devil is this storehouse.

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The devil you find more in folk magic, but you find more Lucifer in the grimoires, even

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though no one in the grimoires is worshiping Lucifer and no one's really, up until you

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get to the later period from about the late 18th, 19th century, no one is summoning it

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either.

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So you got all the different names for the devil are all different things?

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Yeah.

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Lucifer, Beelzebub.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So what is the devil?

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Old scratch.

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You got it.

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He's a different guy.

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He summons different people for you.

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So if you get this correctly, right?

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I don't know if I get this correctly, lay it out for me.

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You call one of the spirits or all of them, one or all.

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So I'm going to call Beelzebub.

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Call Beelzebub.

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Let's do that.

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Now, you're not actually going to call Beelzebub.

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No.

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He's too powerful for you.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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You don't got shit for Beelzebub.

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Sure.

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But what do you-

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I will call Zelotov.

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Well, no, you can't do that yet.

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You have to call Beelzebub first because he's the one who has enough power to call the lesser

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spirits.

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So he sort of needs to sign off on it.

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Right.

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It's like a 911 dispatch.

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Uh-huh.

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Like that's what we're going for.

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Hello, Beelzebub here.

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What do you need this time?

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Could you send a spirit over, please?

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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So the devil is everything.

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And also one thing, but also a bunch of other stuff.

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And he's three things.

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Okay.

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But he's not really any of those and you can't even call him.

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Well, you can't call him.

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Well, you could, but he won't come.

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No.

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So you clearly understand the devil now, right?

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I guess.

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Yeah.

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I guess I could just make up anything and that's probably what-

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I mean, pretty much.

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The explanation is.

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But you can't do it to him because he knows more than you.

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The devil?

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Uh, no, no, no.

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Gordon.

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But he is the devil.

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Yeah, well.

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But maybe he's not.

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Maybe he's not.

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Yeah.

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So this is where it gets really, really good and things start to go absolutely wild.

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Because if you look at the implications of after death research, about a third of souls,

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particularly now, and I actually say the number is increasing.

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About a third of spirits appear to hang around or not manage to find it in the kind of classic

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move towards the light sense.

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Seems like about a third of them don't.

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And I would argue, and this is just a guess slash hot take, that that number is increasing

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because we are, we die in such a secular way where we're not sure if that's actually a

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thing that happens.

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Right?

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Sure.

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Sure.

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So for so much of this entire interview, he has been basing all of this stuff on historical

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books.

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Right.

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You know, magic books, everything that is, is fake.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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And then all of a sudden he's just like, you know what?

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Scientifically speaking-

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After death research.

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Based on all the after death research we've done.

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Right.

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There was a study from Johns Hopkins.

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Yep.

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It said a third of-

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A third of spirits aren't making it any more.

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They're just not doing it.

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And yeah, the prevailing theory is that we die secularly.

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Absolutely.

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And hot take, I think that number's going up, buddy.

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Probably.

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I think we've got a terrifying increase in overall souls sticking around.

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Yeah.

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And that's a problem.

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Well, it's going to be a problem for ghost housing.

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There's going to be a ghost housing crisis.

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There we are.

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I mean, yeah.

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2008 all over again.

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I know.

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It's going to be brutal.

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Right.

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Most of us won't be able to, yeah.

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Ghosts are also very susceptible to NFT scams.

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That's going to be a problem coming up.

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Yeah.

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That is going to be an issue.

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And they have unlimited money because it's not tied to anything physical anymore.

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It's true.

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All their spells work twice as good.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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And now-

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All they want to do is catch Pac-Man.

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Well for a while.

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Sometimes they really don't want to catch Pac-Man.

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That's true.

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It's all right.

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So now the chat has gotten involved and we are going to see a little bit of how the host

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is reacting to them.

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There's all kinds of crazy stuff in there.

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And I find that historically very interesting.

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Me too.

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And I also just wanted to make a comment real quick because 99% of what I'm reading in the

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live chat here is awesome.

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And there's always somebody that may be ignorant.

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And when I use the term ignorant, that just means uninformed.

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So there's one person that's having a real hard time with, I guess me personally, they

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seem to think that I'm a black magician.

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So I-

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It's the glasses, Rex.

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It must be the blue blockers.

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Some people have called me reptilian shape-shifting Jesuit, Shill.

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Well, that's bold.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because I don't believe that the earth is shaped the way that they tell me it needs

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to be.

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So it's okay.

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I understand.

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It's the internet.

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Everything's real on the internet, Gordon.

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Jesus.

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There's so much in there, isn't there?

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Yeah.

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There's so much in that one little clip.

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Yeah.

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He does not explain which shape he thinks the earth is.

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Okay.

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Well, he doesn't want to alienate.

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Well, I don't know.

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It could go either way.

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The Q birth people.

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It could go either way.

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Yeah.

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I think that there's a strategic thing that sometimes people in these sort of veins do

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that is the responding to criticism that is like, you're a black magician, because that

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keeps the criticism even within the world that they live in, whereas the criticism of

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this is a bunch of nonsense.

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You're silly.

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I'm glad for you if this does something empowering for your life, but you might be overselling

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some of this stuff.

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Might be a little bit troublesome.

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But I think that that criticism probably much less likely to respond to, whereas the I'm

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a black magician is just like, that's in game criticism.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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And I think that's kind of fun.

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I mean, do you think he's a black magician?

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I don't care.

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I don't know what that means.

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What do you mean?

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I don't know what any of this means.

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All right.

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Well.

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What's the distinction?

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Let's find out whether or not he's a black magician.

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Okay.

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So anyway, no, I don't practice black magic and I don't really have time.

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I'm doing leak project and black magic kind of freaks me out because if there is a cause

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and effect, if there is a cause and effect, um, if you're doing dark things, dark things

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might come back to you.

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It's it's just, I mean, it's, it's science.

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And there was one time that I had a 72 lesser keys of Solomon that I got on eBay.

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This was back in 2008.

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I got it for like a hundred bucks.

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I was so excited.

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There's a 1913 version when I got it, I immediately knew something was up, man.

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It was like this real dark energy and I had it for a couple of months.

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And um, I remember the whole time I had it, the energy in the house was just like, it

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was even more dark and like that we rented this house in the Northwest that we found

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out after we signed a lease that the five previous people or the five previous couples

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that lived there before us ended up divorcing.

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So there's definitely some gnarly mojo in that house.

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Um, the neighbors had lived there for four across the neighbors that live next door for

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40 something years.

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So I got this book and um, I could just, I don't know, man, I don't know if people were

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doing something negative with it before what, but I like, I could sense dark energy.

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I was thinking bad things and just, you know, I had to, if you bought an antique one, if

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you bought like a 1913 copy that gives it what, 90 something years for someone to have

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messed with it at least once.

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So sure.

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I, I, I, I think that is a valid and likely accurate experience of that object.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Don't mess with those books.

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Absolutely not.

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Screw someone up later.

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Five previous couples got divorced.

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That probably has something to do with it.

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Absolutely.

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Right?

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There's energy in there.

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And then we got the book that had 90 years to be messed with.

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Someone messed with it.

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Could it be any power, any power?

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Such dark forces.

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So much so that I think it's probably likely that he's correct.

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Yeah.

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I think there's no way around it.

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No, that's the only conclusion.

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I mean, if there is a cause and effect, obviously.

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Do you do evil things?

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I don't know the time.

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That's my favorite.

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I would be a black magician, but I'm too busy with leak project, man.

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I just don't have the time.

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I think, I think there's also something quaint and tough to deal with about the idea that

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if you can do magic, it's accessible for $100 on Ebay.

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That's kind of...

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I've read everything about this.

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I love that.

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And here's how important this is to Rex here, okay?

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This is the only time he interrupts in the entire hour and 10 minute long interview.

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And it's to continue this fucking story because it's not done yet and he's got to get this

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story out.

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Real quick, I was just going to say, so I gave it away, right?

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The day that I gave it away, my wife had no idea I had this book.

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The day I gave it away, she goes, she comes in the house and she goes, just feels lighter

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in here.

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Do you notice that?

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Yeah.

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And I said, oh yeah, by the way, I had this cursed book, I bought it and now we don't

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have it.

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Yeah.

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It's gone.

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Coincidentally, she also bought new blinds that day and we had our windows washed, put

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in new track lighting.

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No, I got rid of this book.

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Yeah, it was a cursed book.

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Honey, you can't, you're not going to believe this.

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The reason you feel better, this a hundred year old book I bought on eBay, I got rid

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of it.

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Something probably messed with that book.

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Oh, you got a promotion?

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Probably not important.

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I had a great lunch.

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I talked to my friend and it was a delightful time.

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I'm feeling light on my feet.

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Absolutely.

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Yikes.

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Yeah.

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So he's not a black magician.

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I don't still really know what that means except for it's someone who does black magic,

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but now I don't know what black magic means.

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Well, that's interesting because Gordon's going to explain a little bit how it works.

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Nothing gets you off the hook for being moral.

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Does that make sense?

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You can pray for someone's death.

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And in the same way, I'm not saying this is easy or benign or even recommended because

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they are not recommended.

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They are spirits who have a deeply ambivalent attitude to mankind.

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So it's not, I'm not saying, Hey everyone, it's fine and it's safe.

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Go out and do it.

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It's not that at all.

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But it doesn't necessarily make you evil to do it.

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You could be evil, but you know, it's evil to pray the gay away.

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Like that's literally evil.

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So you can't get, nothing lets you off the hook for being a moral person in life.

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What?

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Yep.

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I mean, I'm glad that he doesn't believe in praying the gay away.

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Right.

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I'm happy for that.

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Right.

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I understand the distinction between it not being necessarily evil to pray for someone's

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death.

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It's just not recommended.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't get it.

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I don't get, I don't get the distinctions.

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I also, there's a bigger question that I have and that seems to be like, all right, magic

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can make you invincible, but it's not able to, there's no magic spell you can do to reverse

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cause and effect.

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No.

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That seems like that's bizarre.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, you can't.

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Also, let me.

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I mean, you can break all the rules of reality, but the, the, that one.

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Let me disagree with that premise internally.

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Okay.

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If you're invincible, you have a broken cause and effect.

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I don't necessarily think that's true.

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Because if I stab you, that's a cause and the effect is that you bleed.

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It's just a different effect.

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This situation, the effect is the knife bounces off and you accidentally stab yourself.

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No, that's, that's kind of a contradiction of classical, well, because I mean the physics

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of it, the cause and effect physics.

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Yeah.

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Well, we get rid of those.

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Okay.

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Except when we don't.

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Okay.

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Sometimes we do, but sometimes we don't.

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Right.

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And when I say is when we do.

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Right.

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And when I say is when we don't, we don't.

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And that's science.

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Yeah.

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That's how it works.

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And his, his moral philosophy, it doesn't come off very clearly there because he's like,

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it's okay to pray for somebody's death.

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Well, it's not advised.

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I mean, what he's trying to say is that a black magician is not somebody who practices

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black magic.

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It is that magic is a tool and you are a person who is using that tool, you know?

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So if you do bad things, it's not the magic that did it.

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You know, you just talk to some spirits who are very ambivalent about how they treat people

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on the planet.

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Sure.

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So you can't, you can't be like, no, no, no, no, it's cool.

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I'm a black magician.

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You have to, you still have to be a moral person, I guess.

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So that's his, that's his idea of magic there.

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But there's, there's sort of an ambivalent morality to praying for someone's death?

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Yeah, but not for praying away the gay.

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Fine.

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Yeah.

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There's very unspecific situations.

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I feel like there's a cause and effect and the cause is listening to this and the effect

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is me hitting my head on the wall.

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Well, I think the chat has some, uh, some, uh, agreement with you here.

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Okay.

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So the chat strikes back is what I named this clip.

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Oh no.

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And, and yeah, you like, if the guy in the chat room is calling it black magic, it is,

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it's literally, that's what it was historically called, but it doesn't necessarily follow

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that.

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Um, you are some sort of deranged child murdering psychopath if you're, if you're doing it.

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Thank you.

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Or it doesn't mean you're losing your soul either.

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He's like, oh, you've lost your soul.

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The devil came and visited you in a dream and that's it, Rex.

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That's it.

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How dare you ban me?

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I didn't ban you, bro.

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Somebody else timed you out.

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I wasn't even me.

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I mean, I don't care if you think whatever you want.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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The devil can enter your dreams whether you're doing magic or not.

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Great.

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Yep.

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I'm comfortable now.

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Never sleeping again.

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The chat got back out of...

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This sounds less like the chat striking back and more him striking back at the chat.

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Well he's, he saw a little...

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It seems like he touched a nerve.

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Exactly.

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He kept getting little, little notes from people like, are you a black magician?

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And he's, he's...

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Seems sensitive.

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It's not something that he realizes, I think, was people fucking with him.

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He's like...

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You think it is?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Cause it was like a little bit of a, it was a little like meme that happened in the chat

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for a little while.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Of people kind of making fun of the fact that he...

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That's what a black magician would say.

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So then he's a little overreacting a little bit.

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So now we're finally getting to something that Rex needs personally.

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Ghost?

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You bet.

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Removal?

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You got it.

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The Banishing Ghost, a Sumerian method of banishing ghosts.

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I need to know this one.

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There's one of the things I kind of delight in doing, and you'll find this in a couple

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of books, actually.

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There's a couple of different Sumerian spells.

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In Pieces of Aid and Chaos Protocols, which are two of my practical magic books.

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I just really like the idea of looking at, kind of like the Book of the Dead, but that's

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a sort of, for the most part, they are spells for dead people to use.

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They're not as interesting.

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Whereas there's some really fun Sumerian ones that appear to use or have confused big dogs

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with being kind of demons that might scare the dead.

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And I just love playing with them.

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But like getting rid of...

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What?

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Getting rid of...

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Negative entities is such a dumb word.

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But getting rid of icky spirit presences in the house.

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That's not a dumb word.

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I never get enough.

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I have listened to that one.

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I played that on repeat for a while, just like, negative energy is such a dumb word.

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Icky.

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And you're like, there's no way that you can go to icky spirit presences in the house and

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be like, well, clearly I've...

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Nailed it.

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I've improved on negative energy by a huge margin.

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So they confuse large dogs with spirits.

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Right.

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Does that mean the spell is like, sit?

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A little bit.

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And also, he doesn't explain it, but he does say, I really like playing with them.

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Dogs?

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I think he's insinuating that he has summoned the spirits of these dogs and plays with them

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regularly.

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Great.

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That is what I think is what he was saying.

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It sounds whimsical.

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Yeah.

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At this point.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If you're doing magic to imagine that you're playing with dogs that aren't there, I mean,

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seems harmless.

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Well, let's take a look at that Sumerian spell.

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Oh, you haven't?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I just want to make sure that you get it correctly.

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So it is not Sumerian, as far as I can see from the chaos protocol.

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Okay.

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All right.

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In this, it is Greek magical papyri.

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So it goes something a little bit like this.

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Hail Hermanubis, come to me, O high one, O mighty one, O master of secrets for those

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in the underworld, O pharaoh of those in Amenti, O chief physician, O good son of Osiris, he

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whose face is strong among the gods.

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You should appear in the underworld before the hand of Osiris.

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You should serve the souls of Abydos in order that they live through you, these souls, the

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one sacred to the underworld.

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You are Anubis, you are Hermes, you are the one who went forth from the heart of the great

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Agathodemon, the father of the father of all the gods.

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Come to the mouth of my vessel, indwell in this form dedicated to you and receive my

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offering and praise for I am Isis the wise, the sayings of whose mouth shall come to pass.

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Did you notice that it's quieter in here?

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It is a lot quieter in here.

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That voice that's always saying, you suck, boo.

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We got rid of all of our icky spirit presences in this house.

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Wow.

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The Super...

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I mean, it's crazy.

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This show isn't about Alex Jones anymore.

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Nope.

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Alex Jones has been lifted from us.

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That would be fun if we had to suddenly stop.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So yeah, that seems like a good spell.

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Yep.

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There you go.

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So we have cleared out the ghost presence in the house.

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Hopefully I've been powerful enough to help Rex from a distance as well.

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Sure.

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If he listens to the show.

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If he listens to the show, it should be taken care of.

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He can just play this.

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Personally, I don't know if I were to believe in ghosts, which I'm much like the spirit

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realm, I'm ambivalent about.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't know if I'd want them to leave really.

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You know, like if there are ghosts and there is a way of communicating with them, I just

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want to talk to them.

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Be their friends.

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Well, I mean, I think the problem there is once you become the person who talks to ghost

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friendly like, all the ghosts are going to come to you.

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Have you seen the show Ghosts?

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Seems fun.

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Have you seen the Sixth Sense?

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Doesn't sound fun at all.

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I'd just say that I've only seen a commercial for the show Ghosts and I'm not sure if it

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looks fun.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Well.

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They play on Survivor.

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Did you see The Frighteners?

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No.

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You ever see that one?

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Michael J. Fox?

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Uh-uh.

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Oh, man.

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He fights ghosts.

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I don't want to fight a ghost.

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Have you ever seen 13 Ghosts with Tony Shalhoub?

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I have seen 13 Ghosts.

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That was a really good one.

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I don't know if it was.

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No, it wasn't.

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Uh-uh.

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All right, Dan.

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Well, we've gotten to the end.

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We've got our Sumerian spell.

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Let's bring it home.

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All right.

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We're going to close the show.

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We've got some practical magic that people can use every single day.

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Yes.

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And in this case for wealth.

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So it's specifically an entire course on wealth magic that'll start probably about mid January.

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Sign me up.

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Swang.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the legend.

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Right on.

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Gordon, thank you so much again.

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I really appreciate it.

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Check it out.

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Ladies and gentlemen, be excellent to each other.

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Hit the bell.

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You need to hit that bell to get access to the live feeds and be the change you want

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to see.

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I'm going to get two Wayne's World references in 30 seconds, a swang, and a be excellent

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to each other.

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Yup.

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So there it is.

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That's impressive.

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There it is.

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That is how we bring it home.

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Also, practical magic was a Sandra Bullock movie from the late nineties.

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Yeah, but he's giving you wealth magic.

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Okay.

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That's what you're looking for.

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Of course.

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You are looking for, I mean, and his book is absolutely nuts.

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You know, like, tie a 1973 quarter to the bottom of your shoe and walk around for six

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miles.

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Totally.

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But also, here's the problem with Alan Greenspan.

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He talks about Alan Greenspan in this, in the chaos protocols, you know, it's that kind

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of shit.

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Makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we now know what the devil is.

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Which is everything.

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I disagree.

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I don't know what the devil is.

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We now know how to get rid of spirits.

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I guess.

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We did it.

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Yeah.

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Is there anything else that you learned today?

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I don't know.

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You're looking overwhelmed.

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I feel like you don't believe in magic anymore.

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Anymore?

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No, I mean, like, my position on a lot of this stuff is like, I don't mean to be too

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cruel if people do believe in some stuff that helps them in their life.

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I think that there is, there is an element of benign irrationality that I think can be

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fine and maybe even positive in people's lives.

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I resent some of this stuff also, though, and I find, I don't know, I guess especially

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when you're maligning other people in scientific fields, when you're using sort of clearly

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a subscription platform, he was saying his premium members, and he's offering classes

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on wealth magic.

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Yup.

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And these kinds of things are, I find distasteful in many of the same ways that our right-wing

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scam folk are, and I would like to sort of distinguish that from people who like maybe

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have some kind of ritual thing that they like to do that somehow makes them feel better

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and God bless you for it.

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I don't think that that's the same thing as what these people are clearly engaged in.

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I see this like, I mean, it's a scam.

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Magic isn't real and you're not going to get wealthy by taking his magic course.

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Well, you might, but it'll be a coincidence.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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And I think what it really more is, is like, you know, I'm not going to go to a glitter

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bug church.

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Right.

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But I still want that, I still want somebody to tell me that if I'm a good person, I'll

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get rich.

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Huh.

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So it does kind of, I don't know.

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It seems like an incentive to be a good person.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it really is a little bit of like, if you can go to Joel Osteen or you can go

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to this guy and it's the same basic thing.

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Yeah.

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I think that the quote unquote glitter bug church stuff has, I mean, it falls into a

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fairly similar category in that like Christianity or religion in general is not in and of itself

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a bad thing or negative.

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No.

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It is the other behaviors that are coming along with it that make it particularly distasteful.

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Some stuff like you just believe in magic, that could be a lot of fun.

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Yeah.

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Same with the aliens and whatever.

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Clearly.

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Yeah.

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No, as long as you're not coming from a place or as long as you're not like actively hurting

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people.

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And even then, even the most desired, like, oh, I'm so mad and I'm a chaos magician.

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I'm going to fucking pray for your death.

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Oh, and then you'll get it.

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You know, it's like, you're not actually going to hurt him.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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It's a dead end for you as a person, it seems like a good way to wallow in some feelings

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that aren't going to help you.

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True.

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And maybe there's better uses of your time.

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Another thing that I find that I resent a little bit about this that you've presented

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to me.

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What's that?

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It's not your fault, but like I've got nothing to hold onto.

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No.

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Like there is no real specificity.

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Nope.

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You even read one of these spells and I don't, I don't, it just seemed like it was a name

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of Egyptian deity list.

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You got it.

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Yep.

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And like, I don't know what black magic is.

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I don't know what the devil is.

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I don't know what, why he needs ghosts out of his house.

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You need ghosts out of your house.

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I don't know any of these things.

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I don't have more questions than when we started because I don't care.

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And they didn't answer any that they raised.

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No, no.

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So I kind of resent that a little bit.

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Sure.

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But there are some interesting things along the way.

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I mean, I can't get enough of, I mean, that guy is just, I mean, come on.

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He's falling out of the matrix.

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He's having such a great time.

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The matrix sink.

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That guy has more fun than, than I do.

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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Uh, so anyways, I, I mean, it was nice to not have to deal with people who are like

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and gay people should be lit on fire all the time.

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Like it's nice.

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Sure.

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It's nice.

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That is, that is a pleasant little, uh, break.

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Yeah.

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Um, so thanks Jordan.

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Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

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Absolutely.

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That was fun.

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You got a spell.

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Nobody has any ghosts no more.

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You cast a spell of not listening to Alex for an episode.

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Yes, exactly.

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Um, so that's, that's, that's great.

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Uh, we will be back to talk about Alex on Monday.

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Oh indeed we will.

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Because I have some time to sort through a bit of this, uh, bullshit.

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But until then Jordan, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We are also.

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On Twitter.

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That's right.

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Oh, it's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.

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That's correct.

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Uh, we'll be back Jordan.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I'd like to wish you all a happy dreamy, creamy summer.

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Show dreamy, creamy.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.