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Hello, Alex.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledgefight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex

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Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan, I have a quick question for you, sir.

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Sure.

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What is your bright spot today?

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I don't know.

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Why don't you go first?

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Well, I mean, my bright spot, obviously, Dan, is that now that all the Djokovic stuff has

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been taken care of-

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Has it?

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Has it?

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Yeah, he got deported from Australia.

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But I don't know if the stuff is done.

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It's done.

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I feel like there's still going to be some chaos.

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He's not coming back.

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He can't even go to Australia for the next three years.

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But I mean, for now, it maybe has died down, but that doesn't mean there's not going to

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be more trouble.

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Oh, it's going to be more trouble.

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Yeah.

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But beyond that, the Australian Open has begun.

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Sure.

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All three of my rooting interests won-

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With Djokovic out of the way, Rafa's got a real clear path, huh?

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You know, he does, but the favorite this year, I would say, is probably Medvedev.

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Okay.

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Wait, the president of Russia?

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Danil Medvedev.

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He's a tennis player, sir.

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Yeah, no, but Rafa, he's got a good shot.

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Andy Murray, old man Andy Murray is back.

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I don't know who that is.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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He's been playing tennis in the past 10 years, and he's back, and he won last night as a

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wildcard.

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It was incredible.

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And then Nick Kyrgios is also, he's still going along strong, and I can't wait for him

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to put it all together someday.

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All right.

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He won't, but it'll be great.

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I'm happy for you enjoying your tennis.

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Indeed.

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Now, what is your bright spot, now that you've had time to ignore me?

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My bright spot is, it's going to be what comes up at the end of this episode, honestly.

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Okay.

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I can't spoil it.

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Your bright spot is a tease.

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My bright spot, yes, will come to pass at the end of this episode.

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Something that I was reminded of, I knew about this thing, and I was reminded of it in preparation

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for this episode, and I could not stop laughing.

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Okay.

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And so we'll get down to all that business, but first, before we get into the episode

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that will lead us to my bright spot, let's take a little moment, Jordan, to say hello

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to some new wonks.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, so long 2021, blackjack suck it, Jordan, thank you so much.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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Well done.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, Grandpa Jerry.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Grandpa Jerry!

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Thank you.

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Next, Aaron from Massachusetts.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, the excommunication station podcast.

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We talk about the weird, wild, and wicked we experienced growing up in the Evangelical

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church.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much for buying ad space, apparently?

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Listen, I have no problem giving a shoutout to, you know, using like a plug or whatever.

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I don't know, I don't know if we need a bio.

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There's a difference between a shoutout and an ad read.

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Yeah, that was a bit of an ad read there.

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Next, Megan N. Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Megan!

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Thank you.

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And Sid Vicious Conspiracy, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, SVC!

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This last name is actually pretty appropriate.

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Pretty appropriate?

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And relevant to today's episode because obviously it's a play on Sid Vicious Conspiracy.

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Sure.

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Sid Vicious Conspiracy.

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Yes.

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And today we're going to be talking a little bit more about Stuart Rhodes and his dirty

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business.

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Great!

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Great.

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We're going to have a fun time.

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So I got to thinking and, you know, wrestling with, on our last episode Alex mentioned that

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there was an interview that he did with Stuart Rhodes that was a disaster and Stuart freaked

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out on him and so Alex never posted it.

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And I was curious about this because I knew that Stuart had been on since the 6th.

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Sure.

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I knew that there had been a number of times that he'd come in and said like, hey, we got

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set up.

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This was bullshit.

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Yeah.

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You know, that kind of thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so I didn't know if this was one of those interviews that Alex was just misrepresenting

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and he had put it out or what.

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But it turned out that on Band.video Alex posted this old interview that he had never

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put up.

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Of course he did.

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Yeah, well you have to.

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Like you can never buy me, you can't talk me out of this, you can't threaten me.

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Oh boy.

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I'm Stuart Rhodes.

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Oh man.

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Or whatever.

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Oh jeez.

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Something close to that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so I was like, this looks familiar to me too.

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Like it seemed like I had seen that before.

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I'm not sure that I had, but I decided to watch it and I don't know why Alex characterized

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it the way he did.

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There's not really a fight in it or anything, but I did find it interesting.

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And so I decided I was going to cover that for today's episode and see where the mood

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took me.

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Sure.

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See where things went.

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So today we're going to be talking about this interview that Alex recorded on July 2nd,

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2021.

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Blackjack.

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Ah, come on.

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Suck it, Jordan.

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Come on.

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And it was supposed to air on the 4th and then it never did.

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And I actually can confirm that because I went and I checked the July 4th show and instead

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of an interview with Stuart, Alex interviews Judge Joe Brown.

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Hey, what?

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Can he do that?

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He can.

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Judge Joe Brown went on Infowars?

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Yeah, he's been on a bit in the, not like a ton, but every now and again, he's shown

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up.

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What a weird thing.

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I had no idea was true.

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We've actually talked about it before.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So here's the thing.

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At this point, an article had come out about Stuart calling him a fed.

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The right wing was like, you're a goddamn fed because you haven't been arrested.

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Yeah.

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And so this is how Alex starts up the interview and starts up the conversations like, Hey,

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we got to talk about this article.

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Hey, are you a fucking fed man?

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Stuart Rhodes is the founder of Oath Keepers, I guess 11 years ago.

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He's been quite in the spotlight since January 6th.

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He was in it obviously before that.

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And I wanted to give him a chance to come on because we saw this Revolver article that

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came out basically saying unindicted co-conspirators in one six case raised disturbing questions

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of federal foreknowledge.

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Thought that was a pretty important article because clearly the feds have been involved

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provocateuring things before, but then there's a new article out that I've had a lot of questions

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about on air and off air.

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And that's a story basically, well, federal protection of Oath Keeper, Kingpin, Stuart

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Rhodes breaks the entire Capitol insurrection lies wide open.

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So this Revolver article was one of the early attempts to create the false flag narrative

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that would stick with the right wing media community.

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It was a, I don't think it really totally worked because things have evolved since then.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It was an interesting first attempt given how, like what we've seen since then, but

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reading it does give you a sense of the sort of facts that they were wrestling with last

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June and into July, which they've essentially decided to all conveniently forget since.

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Yeah.

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That's nice.

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This article points out that most of the attention in that media space has been directed towards

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fighting back against the events of January 6th being an insurrection because most of

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the people who went into the Capitol were tourists like Maga Moms who wandered a little

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further than they should have.

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However, this article argues that they should start dealing with the reality that a separate

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group of folks were there and active that day quote up until now, the overwhelming,

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perhaps exclusive share of the counter establishment reporting on one six has focused on absolving

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the first group, and this is a valuable thing.

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The notion that these harmless Maga Moms wandering around the Capitol were domestic terrorists

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engaged in an insurrection is absurd.

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However, the possibility that the federal government had undercover operatives or informants

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involved in the events of one six from its planning to its execution compels us to turn

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our attention to the second category of participants.

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We are especially interested in the unindicted co-conspirators who belong to any of the big

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three militia groups, the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters.

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Indeed, it is these militia groups whose behavior, statements, and planning leading up to and

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during one six most closely aligned with the violent insurrectionist caricature we hear

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about in the media and which the government claims to have been going after in its aggressive

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prosecutions.

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Okay, so the person who wrote this article has been killed, right?

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Nope.

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It's actually Darren Beatty, who is in Tucker Carlson's Patriot Purge documentary.

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Get the fuck out of here!

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He was not in it!

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Yeah.

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God damn it!

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Yep.

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These people just get away with it!

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Yeah.

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Everything.

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Unreal.

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So this person who's writing this article is fully aware of the fact that members of

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the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters had been talking shit and planning about

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doing exactly what happened on the sixth.

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And that fact is really inconvenient for the right wing media that spent years protecting

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these groups and pretending that they're actually just the victims of Antifa and the protectors

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of Patriots.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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We didn't mean for you to do the things we told you to do.

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Yeah.

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And we knew you were doing it.

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And you would be, uh-uh.

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In order to counter this problem, it's essential to make the very obvious right wing extremists

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into government operatives, doing a false flag.

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And at this point, at least Revolver was totally willing to throw folks like the Oath Keepers

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and the Proud Boys under the bus.

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The recent indictment of Thomas Caldwell, one of the Oath Keepers who is now charged

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along with Stewart in the seditious conspiracy case, included a couple of unnamed co-conspirators.

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And when I say recent, I mean recent to this article.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I gotcha.

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So this article has decided to interpret these as people who are feds.

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In reality, that's an unearned conclusion, because these co-conspirators may well have

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been unnamed because naming them could do damage to the building of another, more important

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case, possibly like a case charging Stewart with a seditious conspiracy.

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Anyway, in June 2021, there was at least some willingness on the part of the right wing

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media to cut bait with the more extreme groups in their ranks and portray them as feds in

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order to save face.

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This probably didn't stick, because for a while, it didn't seem like any legal action

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was happening.

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The heat kind of died down, and it didn't feel like there was any real need to throw

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these guys out after all.

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That was a huge mistake from a propaganda tactics perspective.

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All of these people knew damn well that the folks who were acting like military units

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and storming the capital were their militia buddies.

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And they should have known that it was only a matter of time before that was going to

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come out and it was going to look really bad to be associated with them.

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So the other article about Stewart being the Oathkeeper's kingpin who's being protected

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by the feds, that's just another Revolver article, also written by Darren Beattie.

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So it's a stupid article that's just based on the fact that Stewart hadn't been indicted

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yet, which was probably the result of the investigators needing to lay sufficient groundwork

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so they wouldn't end up going off half-cocked and charging a revolutionary-minded militia

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leader with a charge that wouldn't stick and then give him a massive propaganda victory

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to use to rally his army.

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No, turning him not just from martyr to untouchable god hero?

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That's a good idea.

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Yeah, when you're dealing with someone like Stewart Rhodes, you cannot miss.

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So it makes absolute sense the investigators would first prosecute some lower-level cases

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in order to build the information base that they needed to charge Stewart.

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And that's exactly what Attorney General Merrick Garland said was the DOJ's strategy in his

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speech that was commemorating the anniversary of the 6th.

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When he said we watched The Wire recently, and the guy said if you come with the king

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you best not miss, and he's the kingpin, so we kind of just put it all together.

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And when you walk through the garden you gotta watch your back.

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You gotta watch your back.

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We build investigations by laying a foundation.

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We resolve more straightforward cases first because they provide the evidentiary foundation

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for more complex cases.

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Investigating the more overt crimes generates linkages to less overt ones.

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Overt actors and the evidence they provide can lead us to others who may have been involved.

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And that evidence can serve as the foundation for further investigative leads and techniques.

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Yeah, you've seen Law and Order.

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That's basically exactly what was going on.

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Yeah.

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Darren Beattie at Revolver was doing exactly what he should have been doing from a propaganda

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and cover-up perspective.

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He was attempting to protect the larger right-wing grift machine that relies on inciting revolutionary

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feelings by smearing and disowning the people who actually followed through with those revolutionary

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feelings.

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So, like, I think he was doing what he should have been doing in terms of the scams and

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all that.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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But there wasn't a commitment to it, and apparently people decided, no, we prefer our revolutionaries.

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Oh no, we want to kill.

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Yeah, I mean, come on, that's why we're all here.

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Yeah.

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Let's do this.

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It's a really interesting dynamic to go back and look at.

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To read those articles and be like, yeah, y'all should have, like, obviously Stuart

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Rhodes isn't a fed, but if that's what you need in order to extricate yourself from him

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and the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, you should have done that if you're interested

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in maintaining the business that you're doing.

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Right, I mean, but that's just like what we talked about last time, where they can only

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flourish in a stable system, and then, because they create instability, they break down their

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own system.

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Exactly.

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This is them trying to correct.

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Exactly.

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And to create that stable system.

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Darren Beatty is trying to-

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Totally.

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Write the ship, essentially.

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So much smarter.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't want to give him-

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And that's why he's dead now.

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I don't want to give him credit, but it is what you would do if you were doing a better

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job at this.

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Right, right, right.

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If you weren't an incompetent moron, that is what you would do.

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More or less.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Stuart comes in, he's pissed off about this article, but he's very happy about

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one particular person.

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Stuart, thanks for joining us.

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Yeah, thank you.

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And I want to give a shout out to Harrison Smith.

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He got an awesome reporter there yesterday.

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He pretty much dismantled the revolver hit piece on me and called it what it is, a salacious

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deaf amateur hit piece, and he went through it paragraph by paragraph on the American

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Journal.

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He did a great job.

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Way to go, Harrison.

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Wow.

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Man, a lot of stuff you say in retrospect about Harrison Smith and complimenting him

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always just makes me think, the Capitol has fallen to the Patriots.

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I went back and I watched the videos that Harrison did about this, because he did a

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video debunking the revolver piece, which I would spend my time going over, but I don't

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care.

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No.

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No, fuck Harrison Smith.

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He did another video after Stuart got arrested.

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Re-bunking the revolver piece.

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No.

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He was doing a, oh, does this prove he's not a Fed now, kind of thing?

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But one of the things that I thought was fascinating about that video is he's pretending he wasn't

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on air on January 6th saying the Capitol has fallen, the Patriots are in charge.

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Yep.

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It's really weird.

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I mean, that's just one of those things that should really stick with you.

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Yeah.

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That one, you own that one.

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You wear it like a badge on your chest.

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You should get a face tattoo.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It says the Capitol has fallen, quote me.

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No more prison, we're just putting quotes from Harrison Smith tattooed on your forehead.

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So Stuart, like, look, man, this is a defamatory hit piece, but honestly, like he can laugh

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it off.

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Sure.

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But also he's going to sue.

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Okay.

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It's a pathetic, it's a pathetic hit piece.

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It's like, you know, Darren Beatty is writing for Southern poverty law center or Buzzfeed.

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That's what it sounds like.

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It is ass.

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And it's got Pete Santilli's fingerprints all over it, the same crap he's been spewing

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and some kind of weird vendetta obsession he has with me.

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It's almost like a man crush obsession, I think.

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So, you know, whenever someone does a hit piece like this, their goal is to try to crush

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you.

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And you know, bad guys know that one way to crush me is to accuse me of being a traitor

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to my country.

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Nothing more important to me, you know, only my devotion to Christ is above my devotion

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to my country.

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And so they hope to crush you.

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But you know what?

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I laughed yesterday.

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I laughed my ass off when I read that because it's so ridiculous doesn't mean I'm not going

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to sue him.

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I'll be suing Darren Beatty and I'll be suing Pete Santilli for defamation.

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So we'll see him for it.

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I laugh this off, but also I'm suing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is silly.

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He's got a man crush on me.

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So I'm going to spend the rest of my next six to eight months in a room with him as

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much as possible.

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A little contradictory from a what your reaction actually is standpoint.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, this, why were you laughing so hard?

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I just, I just, it, you can't give me this juxtaposition of the guy who's literally in

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jail for sedition, screaming, there's, I love my country so much.

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There's nothing I wouldn't do for my country.

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You got to think that that's what the Confederacy would say.

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Of course.

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That's exactly what they think.

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That's how they think.

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Yeah.

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Bunch of idiots.

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They're, they're dedicated or like someone like Stewart is dedicated to his country,

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but his con, his country is only a conception that exists in his mind.

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And it is not the shared reality that we all have of how our government and civics work.

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Yeah.

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He's hostile to that.

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Yeah.

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Oh no, no.

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Despises his country as it stands.

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And he hates fucking Pete Santilli.

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Well, who doesn't?

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Now, Pete Santilli is a guy who has been a guest on Alex's show a bit.

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He's a radio host who was also at the like Bundy ranch and at the Malheur, the occupation

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there.

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Good dude.

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And he's at the Malheur one that he ended up getting arrested and those charges ended

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up getting dropped.

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Sure.

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That's sort of a big feather in the Santilli cap.

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And that's kind of why we're looking at the length of time it took to get to Stewart Rhodes

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is because they fucked up the Bundy shit so incredibly badly.

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It seems like, it seems like you could have, you could have maybe arrested Stewart back

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then.

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Probably.

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I don't know if those charges would have stuck again.

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Important not to go off half cocked with revolutionaries.

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But so, so Stewart talks a little bit here about his beef with Pete Santilli.

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Again, I almost don't want to like drill into all this and pass stuff Bundy ranch and pass

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stuff, the wildlife, a refuge, but, but just, I mean, I've had Santilli on because I think

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he was set up by the feds, thank God he got out of jail, but what is the issue between

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you and Pete Santilli?

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Well, for one, I opposed the Malheur occupation, thought it was stupid and it was, you know,

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about half, what about dozen provocateurs were there.

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And before Ammon even did it, I knew he was going to have to do something stupid.

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So this is actually a good point to bring up, which is a good indication that Stewart

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probably actually has a track record of thinking for himself and making decisions.

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You might think that someone like the head of the Oath Keepers would be in favor of every

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single right wing caused celeb, but that's not actually true.

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Stewart, he was in favor of, and he took part in the Bundy ranch standoff in 2014, but he

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was very critical of the Malheur wildlife refuge standoff.

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Initially he didn't want the Oath Keepers to get involved at all and thought that it

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wasn't a fight that was worth their time or even had like a righteous cause to it, but

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eventually he did give in and he sent, quote, an Oath Keeper team to Oregon, albeit without

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long guns or camouflage gear and only to, quote, keep the peace.

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Great.

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I mean, just, just so kind of them.

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That's what I think when I hear that.

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Pete Santilli was deep in the Malheur game, so this could explain some of the tension

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between him and Stewart, but if you look a little bit deeper at that period around the

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Malheur occupation, you begin to see some real disillusionment with Stewart as the head

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of the organization, and some of it did involve Pete Santilli.

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Stewart was not a very popular guy after some of the events at the Bundy ranch or Bunkerville

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as many called it.

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It's easy to remember that he and the Oath Keepers were there, but it's less well remembered

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how they ended up leaving.

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From an article by the SPLC, quote, in May 2014, the Oath Keepers were a fixture at Cliven

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Bundy's cattle ranch in Nevada until Rhodes claimed to have received intelligence of an

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imminent drone strike.

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In response, he pulled Oath Keepers out of what he called the kill zone, which led other

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militia men at the camp to talk openly about shooting Rhodes for desertion.

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In the end, they voted unanimously to oust the Oath Keepers and the drone strike never

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came.

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Rhodes was a bit humiliated and he laid low for a bit, but popped up after the shooting

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that happened in Dallas in 2015 where five police officers were shot and killed.

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Stewart re-emerged, which apparently pissed off some people.

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Susan Delamis, the wife of an Oath Keeper who was at Bunkerville, wrote an article titled,

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quote, Stewart Rhodes comes out of hiding and has the nerve to ask, will you take up

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arms to fight Marxist terrorism?

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This article was published and was spread wide by Pete Santilli, so it seems like this

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beef with them predates Malheur and may have something to do with this.

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Right, right, right, right.

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In the intervening years, there have been some Oath Keeper cells that have broken with

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the national organization, specifically because of a distrust with Stewart.

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There was a cell in Josephine County, Oregon who had carried off a successful and far less

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publicized standoff with law enforcement at the Sugar Pine Mine and they kind of had enough.

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Their local leader, Joseph Rice, said, quote, we have flag rank officers and senior officers,

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military retired, that have made the statement they would not join the group as long as Stewart

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Rhodes was in charge.

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Stewart is not a leader.

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He has no leadership ability.

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He self-promotes.

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Rice would also say, quote, like a moth to the flame, he flies in, throws up a PayPal

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and then disappears.

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One of the big issues, too, with this group here from Josephine County, Oregon is that

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because they achieved what they had set out to with the standoff and occupation of the

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Sugar Pine Mine, this was used as a giant marketing piece for the Oath Keepers, of like,

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this is the kind of successes we have, where I believe the people on the local tip didn't

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feel like the national organization really was responsible for the success that they

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had while we're trying to take credit for it.

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So in the stretch between Bunkerville and Malheur, there had been some dissension in

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the ranks related to Stewart's ability as a leader, and a bit of this was publicized

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by Pete Santilli.

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And then Santilli was there at Malheur and even got arrested there while Stewart had

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to go back on his initial position to not get involved by sending some Oath Keepers

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in after all.

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Folks like Stewart are basically unable to accept personal responsibility, so I would

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assume that he blames Pete for some of how those bad times happened and the damage that

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it did to his reputation.

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I would say that hopefully getting arrested for his seditious conspiracy helps Stewart

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get some of his street cred back.

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Street cred back?

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That does the damage that Pete Santilli did to his terrorist cred.

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Yeah, that is kind of funny, the thing about having a leaderless resistance, is that your

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local leader would like the credit for his shit, and the national leader can go fuck

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himself.

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I would argue that maybe the local leader just doesn't want the national leader taking

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credit.

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Yeah, well, no, for sure.

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You can imagine not knowing anything about the guy who was the local leader, perhaps

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he was more interested in the solidarity of his people.

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Oh, he's a good leader?

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I'm not saying that, but maybe he fancies himself that and sees Stewart Rhodes as not

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that.

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Right.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, the point is that people didn't like Stewart that much after the Bundy Ranch.

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That's weird, because they are all cosplaying, but to varying degrees.

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Some of these people really are fucking straight up retired military with an intense amount

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of ability and training, and then a bunch of these guys are just assholes who on the

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weekends have a long gun.

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It's crazy.

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And some of them are business people.

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Yeah, they're just guys who own a fucking tire shop.

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No, I mean Stewart's kind of a businessman in the sense that this is a kind of MLM.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's like the start of the KKK all over again.

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Yeah, I mean, the dues that you have to pay to be part of the Oath Keepers, the merch

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that he sells.

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You've got to recruit other people in order to, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole thing.

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So look, Stewart didn't want people to go in to the Capitol.

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He's kind of a victim if you really think about it.

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I've always thought that.

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You are at the center, so am I, of January 6th.

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I know for damn certain I didn't want to happen what happened.

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I wanted to attend an investigation with the Senate.

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I did not want that to happen.

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What is your position on January 6th?

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You and I have been through this before, the same thing.

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I didn't want anybody to go in the building either.

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And we all got caught off guard.

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We all got suckered in.

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Were there pocket tours there?

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No doubt about it, but it sure wasn't me.

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I'm a target.

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I'm a target of the DHS or the DOJ.

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They're doing everything they can to try to put me behind bars.

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I'm a victim.

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I'm a target victim.

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Man, you know, that's the right move, but that's so stupid.

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Yeah.

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Take pride in your work.

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But I honestly think that it probably works at this point in time, as long as information

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isn't really known.

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Right.

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It's not a long-term strategy.

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No.

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No.

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It's sort of a Band-Aid.

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Right.

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And I think, you know, he's doing as best he can knowing that, like, I'm on ice.

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I'm on thin ice.

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Yeah, no, you can't just come out and be like, hey, I was the one who led the fucking assault

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on the Capitol.

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I get that.

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And I think that you can't just be like, fuck my guys.

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No.

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I cannot do that.

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So anyway, look, the Oath Keepers were there, sure, but they were there under official auspices.

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And we stand for the Constitution, always have.

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And we were protecting people on January 6th from Antifa, as we had done in the prior

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Stop the Seal rallies in November and December, and Atlanta, as we had done for the entire

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Trump administration, even in the streets protecting people, and speakers and events.

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That's all we ever do.

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That's all we were doing that day.

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And I'm not for sale.

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You can't buy me.

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You can't blackmail me.

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You can't intimidate me or shut me up unless they put me behind bars or, like with this

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crap, destroy my character.

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I have bad news.

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Yeah.

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You're behind bars.

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They're going to put you behind bars.

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Yup.

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And I'm going to guarantee they destroy your character as well.

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Well, I think that he might be able to get lucky and go to prison for the rest of his

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life and become a patriot hero.

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Sure.

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That's maybe the best outcome for him in terms of moving forward, because if he ends up somehow

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like getting off or something, I don't imagine the patriot world trusting him ever again.

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No, I don't also want to live in a world where 30 years from now, fucking Stuart Rhodes is

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the white nationalist Mandela getting out of fucking Rikers.

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Yeah.

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Brutal.

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I don't see that happening.

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And you know what?

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I got to say too, like watching this and watching some of the other interviews that he's done,

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there are some where he's got the eyepatch and some where he doesn't, and there's a striking

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difference in the tone between the two.

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He does not seem nearly as scary when he doesn't have his eyepatch.

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That is a huge element of his presentation.

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I mean, an eyepatch really does do it though.

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It does.

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It does.

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If you've got the courage to just wear an eyepatch all the time.

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It's a remarkably menacing sort of affectation.

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And there's other choices you can make for eyepatches than the one he uses.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's very much, it's an intentional choice to menace people.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, Alex is like, hey man.

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Hey man.

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No, he's not doing a sammy.

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He's like, hey, we knew each other like a long time ago, like even before the Oath Keepers.

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You used to work for Ron Paul.

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I was interviewing you back then, and Stuart's like, no, no, I've only known you because

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of the Oath Keepers.

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Right.

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I've never been on the roads on the broadcast because, you know, I respect Stuart.

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I've known Stuart for, I don't know, how long ago was it, Stuart, that you were working

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with Congressman Ron Paul?

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Because that's how long I've been interviewing you.

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I was back in 1998, 99.

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That's when I worked for Congressman Paul's office.

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So, but I don't think you and I met back then.

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I think it was 2009 when I started Oath Keepers when we first contacted you.

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I think it was a little bit before that.

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You were already doing interviews.

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Okay.

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What were you doing in between working for Congressman Paul and Oath Keepers?

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Law school.

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I just remember having you on before Oath Keepers.

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I remember you founding Oath Keepers, but.

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Alex is confused because Stuart did start coming on Info Wars just before the Oath Keepers

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existed, but it's really close.

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Right.

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His first appearance with Alex was on April 8th, 2009, and it was kind of predicated on

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the idea that he was a former Ron Paul staffer who was part of the Ascended Tea Party, and

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he was talking a whole bunch about revolution.

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This was clearly an attempt on Stuart's part to do some preemptive advertising because

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on April 19th, Patriot's Day, he gave a speech in Lexington, Massachusetts, announcing the

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formation of the Oath Keepers.

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And he'd been on with Alex twice between April 8th and the actual announcement.

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So like, you know, he was clearly doing some push.

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Right, right, right, right.

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This is why Alex thinks that he was talking to Stuart back when he was working for Ron

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Paul.

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Alex does remember the formation of the Oath Keepers happening, and one of his guests doing

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it, but the relationship that they had barely predated that at all, and it is pretty clear

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that Stuart said, we contacted you.

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Right, right, right, right.

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And that's because it was maybe a press release that like, hey, I'm getting ready to start

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a paramilitary.

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Yeah, that was the idea.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Would you like to get on a ground floor of this?

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Hey, come on, buddy!

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Alex may have forgotten that.

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So look, there's one point that I think you could argue is a little bit tense between

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the two of them.

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Okay.

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And that is when Alex is trying to ask Stuart questions from Beatty's article.

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And Stuart seems to think that Alex is suggesting these things himself.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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There is a little bit of a miscommunication between the two, and so like, Alex is like,

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I'm just trying to give you a chance to respond.

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And Stuart's like, read the article then.

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You know, there is a little bit of that.

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But it's not that, it's not that aggressive.

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And it resolves itself fairly well.

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Right, it wants that miscommunication.

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And it's like minutes into a 40-minute interview.

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Like it goes on.

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Uh-huh.

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So like, here's a little piece of it that I thought was particularly interesting.

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According to the indictment, you were having a five-minute, 25-second phone call with person

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ten stating at 2.31 p.m., which overlaps with the precise minutes where the Oath Keepers

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got the military stack formation in just minutes.

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Commander went up to the Capitol, given that you were the head of the Oath Keepers, and

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a person ten was your ground commander that day.

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How could you be having an almost, I mean, give me a chance to respond, an almost half-minute

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phone call right while your troops are lining up at a formation known that they were lining

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up at the formation to do.

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What did you talk about for five minutes, 25 seconds, with your ground operations commander

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while they were forming the military stack?

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So this is what I'm going off.

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These questions on the internet, they've put out saying, saying, if this guy's indicted

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talking to you, then how have you not been indicted?

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And I'm giving you a chance to respond.

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Whip has not been indicted.

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That's person ten.

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He's our operations commander that day.

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He has not been indicted.

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Where are you getting that?

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I'm just sitting here going off these articles and the questions because I'm actually trying

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to get you to respond to these.

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You know what?

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Okay.

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I'll do a respond.

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And then we were trying to reach each other in a massive crowd.

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You were there.

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You know, you can't hear a damn thing.

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Spotty reception.

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That's all it was was attempted phone calls, period.

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So I don't believe that, but Stuart is actually right about the bigger picture.

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The person that he was on the phone with at 2 32 PM on January 6th hadn't been indicted

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and he still hasn't been indicted in the indictment for Stuart and his associates.

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This person is just referred to as quote, a person whom Rhodes appointed as the operations

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leader for January 6th.

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This person is Mike Whip Simmons.

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There's a very good chance that Simmons hasn't been indicted yet because he's going to be

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facing an even more specific charge due to his actions that he personally took or possibly

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he's a cooperating witness at this point and he's going to be charged with a lesser crime

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down the road.

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Or he's a fed.

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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The most terrifying prospect for someone like Alex is a third option.

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It's entirely possible that Simmons hasn't been charged because he's connected to other

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investigations that are ongoing and they don't want to pounce yet because doing so could

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jeopardize those other investigations.

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A possibly relevant detail is that along with being Stuart's operations leader on the ground,

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Simmons was also providing security for Roger Stone that weekend.

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There's a non-zero chance that he hasn't been indicted yet because Simmons could be seen

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as a witness in the case against Roger or possibly that he's seen as connective tissue

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between the Rhodes seditious conspiracy and the circle that includes Roger and Alex and

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Ali Alexander in Stop the Steal rallies.

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This is all conjecture and it may not be the case, but it seems like if you're someone

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like Alex or Ali, the fact that Simmons hasn't been indicted or named in this indictment

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should be a cause for concern.

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That would really worry me.

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Yeah, if the indictment includes so many communications between Stuart and everybody and this guy

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was in on those communications.

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And he's, like the communications with him are in the indictment, but he's not named.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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And he was at this high of a level.

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He was the operations fucking commander.

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We're not fucking around with this dude.

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This dude is not just going to be okay and everybody else is going to look at him and

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be like, what the, how did he get away with it?

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And you got to think too, like if your role is to provide security for people, you have

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a lot of people who could do that other than your operations commander.

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So the idea that the operations commander for this big giant event is also providing

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security for Roger Stone, like is photographed with Roger is a little bit dicey.

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Well, I mean, you could argue that maybe providing security and also being in contact with Roger

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Stone while you're in contact with the people that your operation's running at the same

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time.

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I mean, look, that might be bad.

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I think that there's a lot of possibilities that come up and the thoughts of what it could

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imply are none of them are good for Alex and his whole world of cronies and goofballs.

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Man, you guys, they gotta, somebody, somebody get Roger Stone on anything.

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We've already done this and he got away with it.

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What do we have to do to get Roger Stone?

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Oh, he doesn't have to have a charge stick when he can't get a part of it.

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He doesn't have a president that works for him.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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So anyway, uh, Stuart says some other stupid shit.

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Surely this was provocateur on January 6th.

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What do you think the globalists were wanting that day?

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I think they wanted more violence than what they got.

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I think they wanted death.

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I think they wanted to spring guns.

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If I was actually trying to spark an insurrection out about rifles, if I was actually trying

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to provoke my guys, do things that are illegal, I had told them to bring guns into DC.

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Instead I said the exact opposite.

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Don't bring anything illegal into DC.

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I warn them it's in the chats that they've already disclosed.

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Do not bring anything that can get you snared in DC.

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It's complete garbage.

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I think that Stuart's playing a little fast and loose with the truth here.

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He may not have wanted his Oathkeeper Brigade to be armed the whole time, but he also was

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an active participant in the creation of weapons caches just outside DC where quick reaction

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forces could be deployed to bring them in and to bring them to his Oathkeeper Brigade

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if shit got hot.

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He texted a co-conspirator about it saying, quote, we will have a QRF.

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The situation calls for it.

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Also it's funny that Stuart says that if he wanted trouble, he would have brought a rifle

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because if you read the indictment, you'll find that on the way from Texas to DC, Stuart,

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quote, spent approximately $6,000 in Texas on an AR platform rifle and firearms equipment.

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This was on January 3rd, which is an addition to $5,000 he spent on firearms and equipment

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and a shotgun on January 1st and $4,500 more that he spent on January 4th in Mississippi

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on gun equipment.

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Right.

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Right.

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Spent a lot of money on the way.

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But what he meant was if he wanted trouble, he would have brought his fun gun from home.

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Oh, sure.

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His trouble gun.

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Yeah, yeah.

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His cause and trouble gun.

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Tyranny Crusher won.

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He spent the equivalent of some people's yearly salary on guns and gun parts on the way to

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DC.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a ridiculous amount of shit he bought.

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Yeah, that seems like a guy just looking to have a fun time.

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I don't know why this sounds suspicious for you.

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Not looking for trouble.

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Further, it's bullshit that Stuart is saying that he didn't want violence.

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He totally wanted violence because that would serve his ultimate goal.

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The goal of that day's actions was to disrupt the certification of the election, but Stuart

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is a big picture guy, and for him, the end goal of his actions is for the president to

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declare a complete emergency and call the Oath Keepers up under Stuart's command to

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be the new army.

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This has been something he's been preoccupied with for the better part of my history listening

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to him on Alex's show, and it's a very clear objective of his actions.

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If you consult the original indictment of his associates, you can see that he even thought

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that January 6th could serve as a flashpoint for that to come to pass.

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Quote, let Antifa, if they go kinetic on us, then we'll go kinetic back on them.

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I'm willing to sacrifice myself for that.

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Let the fight start here.

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That will give President Trump what he needs, frankly.

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If things go kinetic, good.

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If they throw bombs at us and shoot us, great, because that brings the president, that brings

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the president his reason and rationale for dropping the Insurrection Act.

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We hope he gives us those orders.

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We want him to declare an insurrection and to call us up as the militia.

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Probably one of the few people who actually did hope that things got to a worst-case scenario

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on January 6th was Stuart Rhodes.

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He believed that if things went completely off the rails, Trump would have an excuse

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to bring in the Oath Keepers as his personal militia army, at which point Stuart could

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do what he feels the current politicians and soldiers don't have the guts to do, namely

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arrest and kill his political enemies, ideally without consequences.

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This interview with Alex is a fairly decent attempt at spinning things to a person who's

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financially and reputationally required to agree with you, but it's embarrassing shit.

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Nothing but disrespect for insurgents who won't stand behind their failed attempts at

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insurrection.

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Boo.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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I say boo to you, Rhodes.

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Yeah, you know, dissidents like to, you know, have courage and such.

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They like to talk about it.

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Yeah, that's kind of the big deal.

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I mean, the thing that interests me, though, is that when you look at the PowerPoint presentation

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released by Trump, or not released by Trump, but that they...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That they went over.

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The one that included, you should declare a national emergency and not do the certifying

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results.

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It was also a constant topic on Alex's show.

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Right.

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Totally.

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The whole thing.

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Right.

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Stuart came on Alex's show to advocate for that.

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He wrote two open letters that were published on the Oath Keepers website to Trump begging

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him to do that.

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Absolutely.

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And the idea that these people are so deluded as to think that they could give Trump ultimate

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power and then he would call them up?

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He's got the United States military.

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It's a trillion dollar thing.

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He's not going to call up the dumb, dumb Oath Keepers.

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Well, you need the Oath Keepers because they're fucking loyal.

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And you need them because also they have secret members of the military within their ranks.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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So a good part of the military will come along with them anyway.

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Sure.

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No, I mean, you want them as a death squad, but you're not going to call them up to work

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for you.

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It's going to be pathetic.

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You probably want them to do some dirty work and then wipe them out like Hitler did.

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Exactly.

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And then, oh my God, you guys are so evil.

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How could you possibly do this evil, horrible act?

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I mean, whatever the ripple effects of that fantasy scenario, whatever we could fantasy

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book in terms of how that would play out.

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They were going under the bus.

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Stuart was trying to get...

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That is the goal that he has wanted for a very long time.

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Totally.

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This is something for the better part of the Trump administration.

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This was something that he was advocating for, something that he wanted.

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He wanted the Oath Keepers to be the actual army.

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And this is clearly, if you look at the communications that he had, this was something that he was

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like, maybe this will be the time that it's the last day that it's a hard constitutional

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deadline for the election to be certified.

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It's the time for Trump to call us up.

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And violence would give him the pretext to.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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And if your end goal is to kill your political enemies, only the state gets to do that without

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consequence.

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So you gotta be the state.

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So you gotta be the state, yeah.

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So earlier we heard Stuart say that him talking to people, it was just attempts at calls because

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there's no reception and all that.

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Can't get reception.

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Nonsense.

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And that's what you have to do in a massive crowd.

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You gotta have earpieces in to hear what the hell's going on if you're trying to be on

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a radio.

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Oh, I tried to stop the crowds going in and I couldn't even hear myself.

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It was so loud.

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Yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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It's like all this stuff about phone calls and we're trying to call each other.

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We're trying to get a hold of our guys.

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And it says in the chats, I'm like, hey, if you're not on a security detail, come here.

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And we were standing where Ali Alexander was supposed to have an event in area eight on

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the Northwest Kalan of the Capitol.

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It was a scheduled event for the stop to steal rally that was supposed to be from after the

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ellipse was over.

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Everyone was walking to the Capitol for that event.

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But they didn't want the image of Trump with a million people there saying this is a fraudulent

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election peacefully.

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They were very successful hijacking and taking over.

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Boo.

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So it's probably true that the calls that he had, there were like 30 seconds long.

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Those were probably attempts at calls, but there were some that go minutes, even like

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five minutes, even conference called people.

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That's not an attempt.

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Another point worth mentioning is that Ali Alexander got a permit to hold an event at

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that space by filing for one with a dummy organization name, one nation under God, because

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he knew that they wouldn't give him a permit for stop the steal.

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His permit was also for an event with a maximum attendance of 50 people, which was an obvious

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is obviously a number that he knew he was going to exceed.

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That alone is probably something that could get Ali charged with like criminal negligence

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or something similar, because by having that event there, which he got a permit for under

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false pretenses, he was drawing far more people to the area right around the Capitol than

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was safe according to what was allowed by his permit, and he did that with full foreknowledge.

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Yeah, no, that's downright fraud.

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Yeah, these are all various elements of the chaos that occurred that day, and you can

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begin to see various actors who made intentional choices that led to what happened, whether

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or not they knew what would happen or even coordinated with each other.

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Trump told people at his rally to go to the Capitol and that he was going to come with

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them, which he didn't do.

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Alex led a march to the Capitol of people who were only getting more and more amped

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up along the way, with Alex screaming shit about 1776 into his bullhorn.

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Ali set up an event at the Capitol grounds that he knew was going to get out of control,

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just based on the numbers of people who were going to be there.

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Stewart and his team coordinated to use military tactics to move through the crowd and breach

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the Capitol while having weapons caches nearby for when Trump decided to make them the new

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army of the US.

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These people, like Ali and Alex, better fucking pray that they don't have any texts or emails

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lingering around that indicate that there was coordination between these groups in terms

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of what they were doing, because I could actually believe that there was just a bunch of fucking

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weirdos who were all spiritually on the same page but didn't coordinate with each other.

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But the prospect that there was some kind of, like, conscious knowledge of each other's

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plans.

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Yeah.

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That's not good.

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No.

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No.

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No, that's conspiracy.

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They better fucking pray that there isn't some signal message or something that they

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thought might be encrypted and not be able to be accessed, because, yeesh.

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Yeah, you know, reading through that, you've got to figure these guys had to have just

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assumed that they were going to get away with it, that they were going to win.

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Well, the champs were invite only.

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They were, I mean, but that was so dumb.

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Yeah.

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That was so dumb.

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How could you do that?

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Yeah, I don't know if I'm more inclined to believe that they thought that it would be

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successful, or that they thought that their comms were more secure than they thought.

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Yeah, I mean, maybe it's just this is what happens whenever your entire organization

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is not trained so much as grew up watching movies, and that's how it works in movies.

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But that's not true, man.

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A lot of these people are actually ex-military.

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Oh, no.

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A lot of them have had training in a lot of areas that may be relevant to this stuff.

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100%.

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I understand that part, but really, you think that just a signal alone?

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There were articles written in 2018 about how they can crack signal.

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I understand that, but I also think that there is a conventional wisdom that people have

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that it is far more secure and uncrackable.

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Sure.

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If you didn't read that article, maybe you wouldn't think that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because the branding is such that it's like, well, no one can get to this.

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It's unbreakable.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Protonmail can't be accessed or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Sure, it's more secure than other deliveries, but it's not going to help you plan an insurrection.

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No.

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So this is funny.

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I mean, I think, Stuart, you should help try to lead an investigation of who did this.

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Oh, yeah.

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Because I know I'm being blamed with it, and you're blaming you.

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So I mean, how do you think I should lead some type of...

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That's kind of what I'm doing now is when we've had a bunch of shows about it, we've

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had big debates about it, it's starting to become a big issue, and then now they've kind

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of put you in the middle of it.

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I would say that if Stuart was in charge of investigating this, it would be a short investigation.

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Fox placed in charge of who killed chicken.

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Just be, uh, Antifa.

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Oh, it's totally Antifa.

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They were everywhere.

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And you know what?

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They were working under the orders of Pelosi, and I can prove it.

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Totally.

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Absolutely.

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Great.

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Good investigation.

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It goes all the way to the top.

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Yeah.

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So, look, Stuart wants the government to dump all the documents they have, because he knows

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that a whistleblower could unveil the Antifa provocateur-ing.

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Right.

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I call on DHS or NSA, you guys can still do a data dump.

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You can do it right now.

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Go expose all the dirt and all the corrupt politicians, all the FBI informants, all the

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provocateurs.

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You know who they are.

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Go do the data dump.

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You can do it WikiLeaks style.

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You can do it anonymously.

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Go do it.

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And anybody out there who's been blackmailed or coerced or bought out, just confess.

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We'll forgive you.

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Expose it.

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Be a whistleblower.

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It doesn't make a difference what they've done to you, what they have on you.

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Do the right thing for your country.

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It's fascinating to hear this, knowing what we know that Stuart knows he did.

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Yeah.

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So this is such a fraudulent performance that he's putting on, and it's operating under

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the assumption that that information does exist, and that there are whistleblowers who

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are being blackmailed into not talking about the Antifa provocateurs.

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Those people exist, and he's reaching out to them as opposed to... He's fully aware

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of his actions.

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No, this is local news.

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This is the husband who has killed his wife on TV saying, we just want to find her.

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We just want to find her.

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She's lost.

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We want you to come home, knowing full well that her head and hands are in his fucking

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trunk.

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It does have that vibe.

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Yeah.

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So Stuart has a request for people like Alex and everybody in the right wing media, and

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I'd stop using words that make me feel bad.

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Oh, that's a good idea.

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But we have to stop using their rhetoric.

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We should stop talking about military formations and storming the Capitol and insurrection,

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and all this kind of nonsense.

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That's their language.

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What it was, like you said, was a protest and small elements that were like a riot.

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That's it.

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There were some people that assaulted police, hey, they got their problems because they

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actually assaulted police officers.

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But everybody else, they walked through doors that were already open.

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So we need to dial back the rhetoric on our side and stop pointing fingers and look at

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the big picture.

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The big picture is they're using the Reichstag fire to be their new 9-11 to turn that more

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inward on us.

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We need to reject that entire paradigm.

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If I were Stuart, I would also be imploring people to stop using words like military formations

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because when they do, they're just talking about Stuart's friends.

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Yeah.

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If you read the indictments that Stuart's facing, the idea seems to come up a bit.

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For instance, quote, on December 12th, 2020, the North Carolina chapter of the Oath Keepers

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held a training session that, according to the leader of that chapter, would be focused

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on vehicle operations, roadblocks, vehicle recovery, convoy operations, setting up hasty

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ambushes and reacting to ambushes.

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But the first thing we're going to do is fall into formation when we assemble.

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When things got going, the co-conspirators formed stacks and moved in formation to approach

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the breach of the Capitol.

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Quote, at 2.35 p.m., Meigs, Watson, Hackett, Moreshell, and others joined together to form

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stack one and maneuvered in an organized fashion up the steps to the east side rotunda doors,

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each member keeping at least one hand on the shoulder of the other in front of them.

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This was the same type of formation that was used by the other co-conspirators who made

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up stack two.

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Resisting the urge to call them stackings.

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I know.

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It's really hard.

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It's so difficult.

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I get you.

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I'm with you.

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It's painfully obvious that Stuart wouldn't want people talking about military formations

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that people were using on January 6th because he's the head of a paramilitary organization

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who were using military formations that day.

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It's obvious that he doesn't want people to use the word insurrection because he wrote

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two open letters to Trump that he published online where he was desperately begging Trump

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to use the insurrection act so his friends could pretend to be the army and wrote texts

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and signal messages while the storming was going on celebrating it essentially as an

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insurrection.

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No, no, no, no.

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You don't understand, okay?

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So what happened was Antifa were surveilling the Oath Keepers and learning their training

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methods so then whenever they went to instigate, they used the knowledge that they had gleaned

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from watching the Oath Keepers who are, by the way, so well trained they would never

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have been caught, obviously.

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And look, Antifa, they infiltrated all of the comms and all the signal chats and stuff

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and actually Antifa made Stuart say the things that he was saying.

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It really does feel like Stuart's like, hey man, I'm the only person here who isn't Antifa.

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I'm gonna be honest.

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And all those things that I said were Antifa.

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It was all Antifa.

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They were pretending to be me.

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They were evil.

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So Stuart is a dangerous extremist but ultimately he's also a boring one.

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At least partially because his revolutionary spirit is kind of intertwined with his desire

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to make money off his revolutionary brand.

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It's great to be into the insurrection until it doesn't work because then you have to protect

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the business.

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If the insurrection had worked and Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act and made Stuart

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the head of a newly deputized militia, you would be hearing a very different tone from

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him about the things that he did in the lead up to the Sixth.

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Oh, he might be bragging, I would say.

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He might be writing a memoir.

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He might be on TV all the time with Tucker Carlson saying, hey, isn't it great that I

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made this a fascist country?

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And none of this would have been possible without the intricate planning of me and my

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friends.

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You got it.

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Yep.

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Such bullshit.

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He'd be like the fucking Swamp Fox.

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That would be his bullshit.

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Yeah.

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So there's one excuse that Stuart uses about the fact that Oathkeepers did go into the

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Capitol.

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You can't really deny that.

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That is definitely true.

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Tough.

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But in order to explain that away, here's what Stuart uses and it's horseshit.

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Parallel universe.

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Two weeks, got everything in my phone, interviewed me.

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I gave an interview with them against legal counsel's advice because I wanted to clarify

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what our guys were doing.

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I stood up for my men, you know, they told me after the fact they went in to render medical

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aid after they heard that Ashley Babbitt had been shot.

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Tell us about the FBI interview.

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Were they, were they proud of themselves?

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What was it like?

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Well, you know, they were like, oh, we, you know, the first guy walked up and said, ah,

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you know, we're just here to get your phone.

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We're not trying to arrest you, you know, and, and, and is everything like you said

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it was in your interviews and the media that all you guys are doing and his security?

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I'm like, yeah, that's all, that's all there is to it.

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There's no plan to do anything.

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And they were cordial, but you know, the entire time they're reporting me.

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So they're asking me about what our guys did.

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And I said, Hey, they went in only because they heard someone had been shot.

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That's what they told me.

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And I think that's, I think that's valid.

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I think that's why that's why they went in.

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I think my men had the best of intentions.

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This is complete bullshit.

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Ashley Babbitt was shot at 2 44 PM.

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And you kind of have to assume that there wouldn't be immediate relaying of this information

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to people outside the Capitol.

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There's a decent chance that if you were in the crowd, it would take longer for you to

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learn about that than someone just watching TV.

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Being as generous as I'm willing to be, let's say that it took six minutes for word to get

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out from the site of the shooting to the wider population outside.

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Why not?

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Sure.

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It's arbitrary, but it also doesn't matter.

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By that point, Stuart's co-conspirators had breached the Capitol and were in contact with

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him and they're very obviously he knew what was going on.

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For example, quote, at 2 35, Meigs, Watkins, Hackett, Morchell and others joined together

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to form stack one.

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Harrelson joined stack one when it reached the top of the steps.

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At the top of the steps, stack one pushed forward as part of a mob that aggressively

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advanced toward the rotunda doors, assaulting the law enforcement officers guarding the

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doors, threw objects and sprayed chemicals toward the officers and the doors and pulled

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violently at the doors.

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At 2 39 PM, a member of stack one joined the crowd and forcibly pushing against one of

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the rotunda doors and the law enforcement officers guarding that door.

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The mob then breached the doors and the stack one member entered the building shortly after

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the mob breached the rotunda doors, Meigs, Harrelson, Watkins, Hackett, Morchell and

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others forced their way through the doors into the Capitol.

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This is all before 2 44 when Ashley Babbitt was shot.

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My advice, and this has been the case ever since I've watched reality TV shows about

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like the first 48 and all of that stuff.

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You have the right to remain silent.

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You could just not go to the FBI and lie directly to their faces.

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I'm not even certain that Stuart's being honest about talking to the FBI and saying that.

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Well yeah, that's fair.

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I take, I have to take that as coming from him as opposed to something I know to be true.

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That's a good point.

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That's a good point.

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The point is he's saying this on Alex's show and it can't possibly be true.

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There's no chance that their actions could be motivated by a concern about a person being

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shot and Stuart knows what he's doing on this show.

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He's lying to provide cover for himself and his militia.

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Three minutes before stack one made their advance on the Capitol, Meigs, who was a part

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of stack one, was on a conference call with Stuart and at 2 44 the exact time Babbitt

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was shot, Watkins announced on their Zello walkie talkie channel, quote, we are in the

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mezzanine.

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We're in the main dome right now.

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We're rocking it.

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They're throwing grenades.

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They're fucking shooting people with paint balls, but we're in here.

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One minute later, stack one members began trying to force their way past law enforcement

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who were blocking the path from the rotunda to the Senate chamber with Watkins yelling,

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push, push.

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They can't hold us.

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After they got tear gassed, they decided to retreat and some of them went to look for

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Nancy Pelosi at the house of representatives because they were worried that she was injured

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by the tear gas.

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They were just there to provide medical assistance, Dan, such nonsense.

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That's what they're trying to do.

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They're like the red cross stack to indicated a plan to enter the Capitol even earlier when

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between two and two 30 a member of the group heard that people had breached the Capitol

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and replied, quote, now we're talking.

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That's what I came here for.

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Suspiciously absent from the conversation is being motivated by a concern about Ashley

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Babbitt getting shot, which also hadn't happened yet.

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They didn't actually make it into the Capitol until after the shooting, but their actions

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and words prior to entrance make it very clear what they were doing and why they were doing

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it.

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Another important point is that even if his militia goons were only going in because they

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were concerned about someone getting shot, how does that make this any better?

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What the fuck did they think they were going to do to deescalate the situation or help

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in any way?

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They would have kept their oath.

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Okay.

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When Stewart says they only went in because someone got shot, he wants it to sound like

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they wanted to help.

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But if that were actually why they went in, it would be because then they'd be able to

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shoot more.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, they shot one of us.

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Guess what?

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We get to shoot them now.

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We get to shoot them now.

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Right.

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It's our dream.

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Yes.

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It would be a justification for them to shoot other people.

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It's the thing they've wanted since they were born.

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Yeah.

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Also, there's pretty clear evidence that Stewart knew at the time and when he's on Info Wars

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that his people weren't interested in providing medical aid.

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Before 2 p.m., almost an hour before Babbitt was shot, someone asked in a signal group

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Stewart was in, quote, are they actually patriots, not those who were going in in disguise as

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patriots to cause trouble?

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To which Stewart replied, quote, actual patriots, pissed off patriots, like the Sons of Liberty

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were pissed off patriots.

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Great.

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Just after that, Watkins, a member of Stack One who would later breach the Capitol and

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try to storm the Senate chambers, said on their walkie talkie channel, quote, it has

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spread like wildfire that Pence has betrayed us and everyone's marching on the Capitol.

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We have about 30 to 40 of us.

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We're sticking together and sticking to the plan.

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It really makes you think, like, what was the plan exactly?

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Was this plan to hang out, provide security for people like Roger Stone and then, you

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know, go into the Capitol because you have to provide emergency medical assistance that

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no one asked you to provide?

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Is that the plan?

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You don't know.

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It's an interaction.

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That's nonsense.

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And it strains credulity to believe that Stewart would ever think that his people behaved

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the way he's trying to present it to Alex.

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This is just dog shit cover stories.

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This is bad.

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It's a good lie for the audience, though.

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Like, people who watch Alex's shit will definitely believe this.

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It's not going to play in court, though.

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No.

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Like, the clear timing of actions and statements.

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It's a clear lie.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This would not be a difficult episode of any.

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This is not CSI Miami where they're like, I don't know if we're going to find this guy.

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Nope.

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This is a five minute episode.

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It's him.

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He did it.

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Stewart's even lying about the, like, I asked my guys, I asked Meigs, and they told me that

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they only went in because of Babbitt.

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He knows that's not true.

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No, he's created a complete fiction.

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He's written his movie where this is how if we hadn't planned to kill everybody, it would

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have gone.

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Here is a flimsy rationale that sounds kind of defensible.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So shitty.

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So we were hunting leprechauns, and we thought that DC was a great place to find them because

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it's a swamp.

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That's where leprechauns live.

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And also, look, because the deep state hates us, they've taken away our payment processor,

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so we need a pot of gold.

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We have to find the end of the rainbow!

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So look, this is just funny.

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Stewart should follow his own advice on this one.

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Okay.

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I tell my guys all the time, you should presume that every chat has got an informant in it.

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You should presume that every meeting has an informant, because they're going to be

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there.

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The FBI has thousands of paid informants across the country.

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But what you have to do is say, I'm not going to let that stop me from being involved in

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my community and organizing.

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But then you've got to do it smart.

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Yeah, man.

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Wow.

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Real smart.

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I mean, I do like the idea that maybe that's more of an in-retrospect kind of thought he's

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having.

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I have learned because of this.

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You know, now that I think about it, I have a lot of incriminating shit in my text, and

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I really wish I had said all that face-to-face.

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I need to remind myself to assume that there are snitches in every chat.

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It would be a smart idea to not have people know my face.

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I think I should do that one.

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So the interview ends, and it ends with a little bit of weirdness, but really not that

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bad.

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Yeah, Oathkeepers.org.

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And I would say for 4th of July, best thing you can go do is read the Declaration of Independence

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and think about the long-chain abuses they've suffered and compare them where we are now.

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They're very much in the same place.

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In closing, without saying names, would you like to debate those guys?

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No, I've got nothing for them.

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I'll see them.

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Okay.

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Because we like debates.

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We want to have debates.

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All right.

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There goes Stuart Rhodes.

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All right.

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Thanks, Stuart.

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Thank you.

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That's really weird.

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That's the end of the interview.

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It kind of sounded like parts of the that was clumsily edited out.

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It did.

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So I thought maybe there were parts that were...

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I was wrong about this, but it led me down a road of trying to figure out, like, can

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I find this, like, posted before?

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Right.

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It was posted, like, this week.

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Sure.

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So, like, is there any, like, indication anywhere that we can find?

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So I was curious, and I went back and I checked, and according to Alex, you know, like he said,

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this was recorded on July 2nd, 2021, and it was supposed to air on July 4th.

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It doesn't appear on the July 4th show.

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Like I said, he interviews Judge Joe Brown.

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It's less than compelling radio.

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I went back and I listened to July 2nd's show, and sure enough, Alex is discussing his plan

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to interview Stuart that day to air on Sunday, which he wanted to take off because it was

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the 4th of July.

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I'm going to interview Stuart because I'm taping the Sunday show.

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I watched the Columbia War or something, so I'll be in live, but 4th of July, Sunday.

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I'm going to take off the 4th of July.

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I'm taping with Stuart today, and he'll have two segments, three, four, whatever he wants.

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Hell, if he wants the whole show, he can have it.

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You know, just to talk about the Capitol January 6th, the whole thing is going to be about

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the Revolver story, the second part.

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Now what I can understand is that Stuart absolutely did not flip out on Alex in the course of

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that interview, like Alex presented recently, and in fact, listening to it, I can't imagine

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what would make Alex not air it.

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The only parts that are even a bit contentious are that when they have that misunderstanding

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or Stuart doesn't realize that Alex is asking questions based on the Revolver article and

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thinks that Alex might believe that Stuart's a fed, and then the stuff about Pete Santilli.

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I think that part at the end there, there's a real weirdness because Alex is offering

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to have Stuart debate Santilli so they can work out their issues, and I think maybe Stuart

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got mad there, but it doesn't seem like a reason to shelve the interview.

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Yeah.

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Something wasn't right, so I went to see if I could poke around and see what's up.

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The first thing I did was check on Infowars.com to see if they might have had a post from

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July about Alex's interview with Stuart, but when you search their website for Stuart Rhodes

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now, you'll find quickly that they have scrubbed the site of all but a few mentions of him.

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There are three stray posts that come up in a search for Stuart Rhodes that have nothing

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to do with him, and one with a title like, click here for the live 40 hour emergency

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save America transmission, where maybe he was a guest on that, and so it comes up.

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The only three articles that come up that have anything directly to do with Stuart are

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all from the past two weeks.

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Two are about the charges that Stuart just caught, and one is from two weeks ago, and

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it's just a Tom Pappert blog entry about how Ray Epps, John Sullivan, and Stuart Rhodes

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are set to testify in the Oathkeeper's case.

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I'm not sure that held up well.

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Yeah.

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Stuart has been coming on Alex's show for 13 years, and there have been countless headlines

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of him calling for revolution, but now, mysteriously, they don't come up on the site when you search

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for him.

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That's so weird.

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Very weird.

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I mean, it's such a good coincidence for them.

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A couple more articles come up if you do a Google search of the InfoWars site for pages

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that mention Stuart, but nothing from before last March, which is weird.

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That seems insane.

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So I did some more poking around, and I found that there's a section of InfoWars website

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that's an archive of their headlines.

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Some of them are pretty interesting, like, quote, Stuart Rhodes, Senate bill declares

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war on Americans.

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I dare you to try and guess what year that was from, or what bill it's talking about.

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I'm gonna go with 2013, and how about the, I don't know, Patriot Act.

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It's 2011, and I don't know, because the body of the article's missing.

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Oh, okay, well that's fair.

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How about this one?

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Let's play the game again.

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I feel like I was fairly close with 2013.

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Yeah, you were in the ballpark.

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Yeah, I was in the ballpark.

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So let's try this again.

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See if you can guess when this headline was posted.

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Okay.

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Quote, Learn of America's Coming Civil War, Oathkeeper's Stuart Rhodes reveals what could

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be in America's future.

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Could be from any year.

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What year?

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What year?

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I'm gonna go 2015.

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2019.

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Ooh!

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There are a bunch of headlines on there that kind of give you the sense that Stuart has

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been the kind of guy who's trying to get this whole revolution thing going for about a decade

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at least, and just hasn't had his chance, and maybe it's not a great idea for InfoWars

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to advertise how complicit they are in amplifying his shit and actually facilitating it.

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Yeah!

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Stuart wouldn't be anywhere close to where he is now without Alex.

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I mean, I would say that I wouldn't want to establish a pattern of behavior.

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Oh, yeah.

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Because it does.

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Especially if I were the person who was constantly arguing that it was indeed Antifa, who was

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always advocating for violence in politics.

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For that pattern of behavior to be so consistent over 13 years.

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And long pre-date anyone talking about Antifa.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That could be trouble.

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Possibly worse, however, was the results of my next poke.

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I was trying to see if I could find, if there was a raw version of this video.

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I searched BAM.video for Stuart Rhodes, and there's a couple of posts on there that Alex

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should probably take down.

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One is a video where Alex and Owen Schroyer interview Stuart with the title, quote, Patriots

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Plot Their Recapture of America in D.C. This Weekend.

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Bad headline.

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Yeah.

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Now, granted, this video is from November 2020, and the rally that they were going to

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was the climactic endpoint of Owen's dumb Stop the Steal caravan, but the optics are

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really bad.

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It definitely sends a strong message that Alex and Owen and Stuart were involved in

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a collaborative plan to help Patriots recapture America within a few months of January 6th,

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and were doing so under the same name, Stop the Steal, as the organization that Ali Alexander

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ran that was instrumental in planning the rally at the Capitol.

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Have they switched most of their headlines to just, like, Exhibit A, Exhibit B?

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They might want to.

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The video was from November 10th, and if you consult Stuart's indictment, you can see at

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this same time he was also actively planning with the Oath Keepers to disrupt the election

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results.

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Quote, On November 9th, 2020, Rhodes held a private go-to meeting, an online meeting

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site that allows you to host conference calls and video conferences via the internet limited

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to Oath Keeper members titled Oath Keepers National Call Members Only, which was attended

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by Meigs, Harrelson, Watkins, Hackett, all of them part of Stack One, and others, including

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the person who Rhodes appointed as the operations leader for January 6th.

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That's Simmons.

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Right.

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Whip.

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During the meeting, Rhodes outlined a plan to stop the lawful transfer of presidential

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power, including preparations for the use of force, and urged those listening to participate.

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If I had to guess, the November rally in D.C. was too soon after the election to try and

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coordinate anything.

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There wasn't a fever pitch yet at that point, since a lot of people were still hoping that

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some kind of evidence of voter fraud would come out and Trump would still win.

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It wouldn't be optically good for Stuart to use that rally as the jump point, and I guess

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if I had to guess, he was probably using it for recon.

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There's another exchange that the indictment mentions from November 9th.

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Quote, on November 9th, 2020, Caldwell reached out to Rhodes to provide the results of a

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likely reconnaissance trip he had taken into Washington, D.C. and to coordinate planning

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with Rhodes for an upcoming op in Washington, D.C.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Stuart knew well enough that this wasn't the time, but that

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rally could still be useful for PR purposes and to get acquainted with the Capitol.

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Right.

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Have a peaceful, like, march as a precedent, kind of, for...

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Sure.

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Be seen...

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There's a lot of uses for that.

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Looking at more of the videos on Band.video, there are multiple videos of Stuart coming

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on to declare the six, they plot to frame the Patriots.

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You can find the video from July 1st, 2021, where Harrison Smith defends Stuart from accusations

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he's a Fed, and then there's a big gap between then and Stuart's arrest.

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I honestly find it difficult to believe that Stuart wasn't on any of their shows between

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those dates, but I guess it's possible.

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I can definitely see Alex getting worried about the Fed accusations rubbing off on him

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and throwing his friend of 13 years off to the side.

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It's possible, but that's wild.

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Not only are there no results from Alex's own show, but there are no results from Harrison's

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show, who went out of his way to debunk Revolver articles to prove Stuart's innocence.

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This doesn't make sense at all to me.

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It's weird.

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I went back and I watched the video, and the only explanation I can come up with is this.

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At the end, Alex makes this joke about if Stuart wants to come on and debate Pete Santilli.

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Stuart does look mad and he says no and that he'll see him in court.

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He still appears to be talking, and he doesn't look very happy, while Alex quickly ends the

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show.

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I could imagine that Stuart yelled at Alex after the show, because he was joking about

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this stuff that Stuart takes very seriously.

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Then maybe he got into talking about how he was going to kick Santilli's ass, which Alex

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referenced that Stuart was yelling and saying he was going to kick someone's ass, so maybe

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that happened after they stopped recording, or after the interview.

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Could have been.

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I have no idea, and I was at a dead end, or at least I thought that I was, until I saw

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one more thing on Band.video.

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Are you kalumbo-ing me right now?

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There's one more thing on Band.video.

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Are you kalumbo-ing me right now?

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There was an interview that Stuart Rhodes did on July 12th, 2021, ten days after Alex's

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failed interview.

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This was with Just Another Channel, which if I remember correctly was a show on Rumble

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that followed Owen on the caravan, and now I guess they have their own show on Alex's

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site.

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Great.

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Ridiculous.

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Wow.

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The video is titled, quote, exclusive FBI allegations.

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Does Stuart Rhodes clear the air or muddy the waters?

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America, you decide.

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I got to thinking, hey, I'm America, I should decide.

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You are America.

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I listened to the whole interview, and it's dog shit.

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It's just Stuart saying the same kind of stuff that he said as the cover story in the Alex

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interview.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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Except he's way more clear that he thinks the whole thing about him being a fed is a

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personal attack from Pete Santilli.

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Right.

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He makes that really clear.

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He just gets madder and madder about Pete Santilli.

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Yes.

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And maybe one might say a kind of moving one's anger from yourself to another.

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He seems to really be insistent that Santilli has a crush on him, too.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's really weird.

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Great, great.

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However, in all that, like, ignorable nonsense, there's one moment of hilarity in this interview

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that I need to bring up to end the episode, and this is my Bright Spot.

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This is your Bright Spot.

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The interview is being conducted by the host of Just Another Channel, who I think is a

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dweeb named Brandon.

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He's joined by a co-host named Jeremy, who this guy himself is an Oathkeeper.

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And then they talk to Stuart and a woman named Angel, whose husband is one of the Oathkeepers

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who got arrested in the first indictment, Kenneth Harrelson, who's also now charged

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with seditious conspiracy along with Rhodes.

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Well, you know, you get in there.

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The whole time, this Jeremy guy is just going on and on about how the Oathkeepers are totally

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cool, not a nefarious organization, which is, you know, what I would expect him to say.

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He's openly bragging about being there on the 6th and having brought weapons to the

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stash spot and being a bit confrontational about it, if you ask me.

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It all comes to a head in this clip.

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Here is the thing that is most disingenuous to me is that all the footage that has been

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released of that hotel room, they have that same footage of me.

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The list of lodging, I believe that my lodging, which was a RV park 10 miles outside of D.C.

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in College Park, is literally redacted.

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And it's because I know they tried to recruit me.

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And so that's why I continually say to people, they intentionally are ignoring my participation

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in January six, because my testimony completely blows their entire bullshit narrative out

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of the water because I sat in on these meetings.

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I was there the night before.

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I was there on January 5th.

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I had guns in that hotel room.

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I was on the video camera picking up my guns the next day.

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So this guy, this guy is Jeremy Brown.

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I don't know if that name rings a bell to you.

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No.

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He's my favorite insurrectionist, I think, if I had to choose one.

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Oh, yeah.

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So this video is recorded on July 12th.

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And then on September 30th, Jeremy was arrested for knowingly entering or remaining in any

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restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and knowingly and with intent to

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impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of government business or official functions, engage in

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disorderly or disruptive content in any restricted building or grounds.

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It's not just the cockiness and the Icarus style flying too close to the sun that makes

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Jeremy my favorite, though.

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He's the stupidest asshole in the world.

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When Jeremy was arrested, naturally, his house was searched and cops found about what you'd

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expect.

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Tons of ammo and dicey guns like sawed off shotguns.

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Oh, and also two hand grenades.

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Yeah, I was going to say there's definitely an explosive or two.

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The reality is that he probably wouldn't end up getting that much time for his actions

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on the sixth unless more evidence turns up.

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But having grenades is not great.

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In 2020, a dude got sentenced to 31 months in jail for having four hand grenades without

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the correct paperwork.

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So Jeremy might be in some shit, but it gets better.

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Before he got arrested, Jeremy put his house for sale on Zillow and was apparently going

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to be living in an RV.

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However, he accidentally included a picture of a whiteboard in the Zillow listing, which

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included a bit of incriminating information.

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No, no, no, no.

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Yeah.

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God damn it.

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No.

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So this incriminating information about what weapons he had quote on hand, including flashbangs,

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which definitely wouldn't be legal for him to have on hand.

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This also introduced a new problem for Jeremy.

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This picture claimed to show that he had weapons, including flashbangs, which were not found

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by the cops during the search, which would tend to imply or provide probable cause to

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suspect that he moved them.

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And it turns out transporting explosives is a crime.

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The federal agent actually had to type this out, quote, based on my training expertise,

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general familiarity with the small confines of an RV, the fact that the trailer was purchased

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approximately a month ago and sits next to the RV and the house within the property line,

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and that it's unlikely that an individual would market a home available for public inspection

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with guns and explosives inside the home.

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It's probable that many of Brown's possessions, including electronics, guns, ammunition, and

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explosives, which constitute potential evidence in this investigation, have been moved to

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the RV or trailer.

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That's a really long way of explaining something very clear.

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We know they got guns, but they weren't there, so maybe they're next door.

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Yeah.

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Also, because it's fun, the FBI search warrant also says that the agent, quote, also reviewed

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publicly available video podcasts of Brown and Person One.

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In an interview posted on July 12th, 2021, Brown stated that he was present with the

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other Oath Keepers on January 6th.

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Prior to the riots, he deposited guns with other Oath Keepers in Virginia and retrieved

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them after the riots.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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Whoops.

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I would not have admitted to a potentially, let's say a hundred years ago, executable

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crime.

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Well, I mean, this is definitely, you know, this video that he did with Stuart Rhodes

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is probable cause in the FBI search warrant.

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Yeah.

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My God.

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So Jeremy's insisting on taking his case to trial so he can blow this whole thing wide

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open.

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So I look forward to that gusto fizzling out disappointingly.

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He claims that the FBI tried to make him an informant or whatever, and from what I can

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understand from the allegations, there was a visit that he got from the FBI at some point

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about shit he was posting online, which based on the other things I can tell about him,

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maybe he made a threat of some sort that was relevant enough as somebody who's a member

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of the Oath Keepers and like a former Green Beret apparently.

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Maybe if that person's making threats, they might get a visit if they were serious enough

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that people would take them as a credible threat.

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I don't know exactly what the case is about that, and I can find blogs saying that he

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released video of a recording of the FBI trying to make him an informant or trying to get

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him to snitch on the Oath Keepers.

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Hey, you want to work for the FBI?

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I can't find that video, and apparently it was supposed to have been played in an interview

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with just another channel.

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So on the Band.video page, because that's what the blogs were saying, it was posted

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on Band.video by the just another channel, it's not on there.

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So if it was on there, it's been since removed, and I don't know where this is.

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I don't really believe necessarily what's going on here, but I do believe that he posted

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on Zillow that he had explosives.

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I mean, this is just, it's just a bad movie.

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It's like, it's like a heist movie where the weakest link is like, oh, I suddenly spend

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in $10 million immediately after they did the heist.

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You're the one who's getting us caught, man.

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You, oh, man.

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This is why if I'm doing conspiracies, all right, I'm one, not doing it with any of these

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people, and two, I think I'm only going to go with like, I guess, cartoon characters

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who are used to stealing, like the Hamburglar, number one in my conspiracy.

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Who are you drafting?

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Oh, we're going to do a conspiracy draft?

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Yeah, you want to draft?

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Huh.

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I'm going to go with Verbal Kint.

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Verbal Kint?

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That's a good one for your conspiracy.

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He doesn't talk.

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He has got a spotless record.

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He, he doesn't crack under pressure.

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Absolutely.

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His buddy, the Kobayashi, he doesn't even exist.

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So that's my first round pick.

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See, now that's the trick to conspiracies.

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Make them up.

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Nobody even alive.

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So you got the Hamburglar.

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I got the Hamburglar and you've got the goat.

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Okay.

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So, so that puts me, I'm going to go with one of the spies that was executed in the

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40s for, uh, nevermind.

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I'm going to go with Uatu the Watcher.

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No, you can't have, you can't have Uatu.

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Fictional.

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So is the Hamburglar.

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So is Verbal Kint.

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I know.

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Your rules, your rules are changing.

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Yeah, but it's the wrong kind of fictional.

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Okay.

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Overpowered, perhaps?

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Yeah, no mythology.

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Okay.

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Nobody with superpowers.

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Yeah, that's kind of, that's kind of what I was thinking.

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I was trying to think of somebody who would be really good at, um, not getting involved

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in things I don't want them involved in and maybe having a lot of information at their

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disposal.

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Right.

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I was also trying to think of somebody who's maybe a mute.

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Ooh, that's not a bad idea.

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Like someone who either is not able to speak or chooses not to speak, uh, that I think

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would be like maybe some kind of, do you want to do, do you want to do like a, a grease

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man, like in Ocean's 11, you've got, uh, you've got the, uh, acrobat, the Chinese acrobat

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guy who only speaks, uh, in Chinese and everybody understands him and it's kind of a joke.

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Eh, no, no, no.

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You don't want to, you don't want to inexplicably be able to understand Chinese.

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I prefer, no, I prefer, I prefer somebody who, um, will not snitch because they don't

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speak.

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Okay.

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Whether, uh, willingly or, uh, uh, uh, uh, Gwen Stefani?

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I know the joke you're making.

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I appreciate that as a response.

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But the reason that I had a pause there is because she's not saying that she doesn't

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speak.

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It's the boyfriend in the song.

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I understand.

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It is not as consistent as I would have liked.

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I was trying to track the logic of the joke of like, who would I draft in that case?

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Yeah, I understand.

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Wasn't it the bassist?

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I don't know.

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I know there's apparently somebody in the back.

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Who cares?

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Anyway, Jordan, we've come to the end of this and we've met my, my bright spot, the, uh,

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terrorist who posts his plans on Zillow accidentally.

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Just an amazing, amazing individual.

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But the mystery still remains of why Alex wouldn't post this.

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Yeah.

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Other than like offending Pete Santilli, I can't see what exactly Alex saw that was threatening

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in that interview.

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I mean, it seems to me that it's more likely that Stewart said something, right?

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Afterwards.

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That Stewart said something afterwards or something and was like, I don't, I don't want

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that.

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But do you think Alex would respect that?

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That's a good question.

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But also, I mean, he does know his buddy was ready to kill the president or the vice president.

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So you also, you also got to consider, um, the possibility that Stewart said, don't post

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that, that led to a fight and that's why Stewart hadn't been on.

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That's true.

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That's also possible.

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Maybe Alex maybe had to come up with something else to do and it ruined his July 4th plans.

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He had to talk to Joe Brown?

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You got to think about this in terms of like, uh, real pettiness.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Childish behavior.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I really, I really find this to be kind of an open question at this point.

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Like why this wouldn't have aired.

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I think that Stewart saying don't air it, possible.

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But then again, why would he 10 days later do an interview where he says almost the same

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things with a smaller channel on Band.video?

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Right.

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Seems like he was insistent to get this message out.

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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That's interesting.

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Then the other possibility, like I said, is like Alex does have Pete Santilli on, uh,

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or at least has a bit in the past.

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Sure.

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Possible that he doesn't want to start beef with somebody who's a little bit closer to

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being accepted by the mainstream of the right wing.

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Right.

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Whereas Stewart is fringy fringe.

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He doesn't want to get into another pochenic, uh, uh, uh, David Knight, David Knight situation.

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I mean, neither of them are employees, but yeah, maybe that would be too much of a problem

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trying to take sides in that, in that fight.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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But anyway, I think more importantly, if you listen to this, you find just pathetic attempts

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at, uh, at damage control and coming up with an excuse for things.

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Real sad.

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But it's real sad.

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But, but, but compelling to Alex's audience, no doubt.

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Of course.

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Especially without any other information to contradict the things that he's saying that

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are clear lies.

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I mean, the thing that gets me is that they have watched Stewart Rhodes go on Infowars

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for years calling for violent action.

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And then they're going to just accept that, Oh, by the way, Stewart Rhodes was all about

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medical aid.

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Well, only on the, it was just selfless.

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It was just selfless dude.

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Yep.

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I don't know.

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We'll see what happens, but, uh, you know, we'll, we'll check in again.

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But until then we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I'm Daryl Rundis.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.