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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.

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Knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledgefight.

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Dan and Jordan.

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Knowledgefight.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Need money.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and...

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Stop it.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding us.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first-time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledgefight.

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N-N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledgefight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex

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Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are.

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Dan?

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Yep.

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Dan?

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Yes.

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Quick question for you.

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Sure.

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, Jordan, is giving up for about...

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So I've been watching the new season of Survivor as it goes, and I have been frustrated over

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the course of watching all of the seasons about how far it's come from its original

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premise to how complicated the rules are.

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If I were to try and explain to you how to play Survivor now, I have no idea how I would...

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It would take hours of me being like, okay, so now here's the thing.

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There's a hidden immunity idol, right?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Fine.

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Put that aside for now.

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All right.

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Because there's also a hidden immunity idol blocker that someone can play.

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No.

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That's not...

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This season...

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You take that blocker and you shove it up your ass.

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And this season, they also introduced a new advantage called the knowledge is power advantage.

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What the fuck is the knowledge is power advantage?

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If you have this piece of paper, this advantage, at tribal council, you can ask one person,

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one question, and it can be either, do you have an advantage or do you have an idol?

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And if they do, they have to give it to you, right?

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Fucking ridiculous.

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This is turning into one of those, like, what is it?

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Do you remember those murder games that you would play at a youth group where everybody

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would hide for a while and one person was the bad guy, and then you met up at the end

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and you gotta be like, oh, this person was the...

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Yeah.

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But the rules are a maze.

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Yeah.

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On their...

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It's...

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I...

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Yeah.

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It's...

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But I was watching...

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I guess that's why Squid Games is so attractive to people now, you know?

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It's like, they're very simple rules.

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Sure.

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Do kids game or you die?

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Yes, exactly.

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It's clear.

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It's very simple.

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Yes.

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And I think it was in season one, too, of Survivor.

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Yeah.

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Like, it was a game where it's like, all right, if I can find some food...

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Survive?

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Yeah.

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What is the problem?

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Find some food and see if you have enough calories in you to run this foot race later.

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Exactly.

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And if you don't, you're gonna vote it out.

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You're gonna lose.

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Yeah.

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Goodbye.

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Yeah.

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There was a lot more just like, okay, it's a game.

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Yeah.

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Now, I have no fucking idea.

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So last night's episode was the second part of a two-parter, right?

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Uh-huh.

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So they were supposed to be merging the tribes, but instead of doing that, there was another

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twist.

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And that was that they split into two tribes and half of them won immunity, right?

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Okay.

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But there was an uneven number in the two tribes, so the person who was left over got

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sent to the fucking exile island, where Jeff Probst showed up on a bus.

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Fine.

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On a what?

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Or not on a bus.

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You can't show up on a bus.

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Sorry, sorry, sorry.

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A boat.

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He got on the bus.

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That'd be great.

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So he showed up on a boat with an hourglass.

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Okay.

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Right?

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Okay.

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And a hammer.

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If you don't break all of your fingers by the time the sand has gone through this hourglass,

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you will be dead.

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I said-

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This is saw.

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I said, if I got that, I would chase Probst off the island with a hammer.

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No, totally.

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Yeah.

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So the thing is that she had to decide whether or not to go back in time.

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If she decided to break the hourglass, then the other half of the group who had lost the

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challenge would get immunity, and the other people would be vulnerable to be voted out.

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Okay.

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So she Sophie's choiced it.

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I was just sitting there like, why are we doing this?

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Oh, yeah.

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Drama.

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Drama, Dan.

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But it wasn't more dramatic than the game would have been normally.

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It's still, the stakes are the same.

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It's just confusing people.

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I do appreciate.

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They're like, okay, well, here's the thing.

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We're going to exile her and we're going to say, pick one or the other.

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That's immunity.

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It's a very simple explanation.

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How do we kind of like survivor that up a bit?

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You know?

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Come on, man.

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Hourglass.

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Thinking wizards.

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Hourglass.

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Let's go for it.

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Hammer.

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Let's destroy the very embodiment of time.

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Yeah.

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I think afterwards, after the episode, I was reflecting a little bit and I think I give

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up.

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I mean, not on the show, but I like, I give up on caring.

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Trying to understand.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Watching this show from now on will be an experience.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It's going to happen to me.

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Do you, and I don't know if you recall this directly, but do you remember the end of 1984?

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The year I was born?

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No.

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Oh.

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The book.

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Yeah.

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You remember how he is beaten down so much that he just loves the state?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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But I'm not saying I love it.

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I'm saying I'm putting up with it and I accept it.

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Good.

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What about you?

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What's your bright spot?

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My bright spot, Dan, is yoga.

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Been doing some yoga.

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You're texting me some things about pain.

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Yeah.

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It hurts a lot.

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It was my second time doing it ever last night and I got in trouble because I was being verbally

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corrected on something that I was doing wrong or whatever.

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And it threw me, just hearing the voice threw me so much that I just fell and began laughing

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and just being like, I didn't hear a word you said, you know, like how I would be.

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Laughing is yoga.

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See, no.

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Oh.

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According to the people that are in yoga now or whatever, you're supposed to be all quiet

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and shit.

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It's bullshit.

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Right.

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But anyways, it's fun to be reprimanded in a new place for being loud and laughing too

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much.

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I'm going to hit every possible activity where people can be angry at me for being loud and

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laughing too much.

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Well, you kind of got to take the rough with the smooth.

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Sure.

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I mean, because basically we've created this podcast and people enjoy it somewhat because

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you're loud.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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It's a real negative feedback loop.

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Yeah.

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And then unfortunately in other settings like yoga.

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It's very unfortunate.

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Knife cuts the other direction.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm glad I look forward to you showing up one day to do the podcast and being like,

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look what I can do and then putting your leg behind your head.

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No, that won't happen.

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Or something.

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Some weird feat of flexibility.

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I've already made this clear to my partner.

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I am going to defeat yoga and then never do it again.

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All right.

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I'm going to be good at it.

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And then once I am, once I feel like I'm confident, I will say this is dumb and quit forever.

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I wish you well.

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Thank you.

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So Jordan, today we are going back to the past.

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Yes, sir.

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We're talking about June 24th and 25th, 2003.

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And the reason for that is because I don't, I didn't know if we were going to have enough

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lead time to do the episode that I wanted to do for Friday, for this episode.

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And that is, I realized that Alex is going to be talking almost exclusively about Tucker's

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Patriot Purge documentary.

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And people have gotten in touch and been like, please do an episode about Patriot Purge.

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It does seem like that is our eventual end.

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And I've been resistant to do episodes about Tucker Carlson for a number of reasons.

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One, I don't want to step on the toes of there's another podcast that does Tucker.

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Sure.

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And I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, breach other people's intellectual property.

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Hey, can't do it.

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Can't do it.

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Every time any other podcast has talked about Alex Jones, we, I have obviously been very

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furious.

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Sure.

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And the other reason too, is that I just don't believe that Tucker Carlson is a sincere actor

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and I don't think that he interests me in the same way as Alex Jones.

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I don't want to talk about any rich pricks, you know?

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Yeah.

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I mean like, but that kind of childhood rich prick, you know, that kind of just like, he's

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an, I take, he's a take your ball and go home kid and you're just, I don't want to deal

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with it.

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I've lived long enough to watch his various incarnations and I don't find him to be like

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a person with a, with a, with a solid ground underneath his feet.

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Let's say.

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Integrity or.

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Well, but integrity sounds positive and like to the, no, that's what I'm saying.

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He doesn't have any.

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Right.

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But to the extent that Alex Jones has integrity, it's that like he, he's done, that's a good

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point.

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This shit.

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That is a good point.

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There's different, you know, different shades of some things throughout Alex's career, but

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there's what you could call it a coherent through line.

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Right.

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Right.

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Like talker or Glenn Beck.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And that's why those people don't, don't interest me as much, but I think that the intersection

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is so high here that we'll probably have to do something about Patriot purge.

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Yeah.

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Uh, and Alex was apparently did background work on it.

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So sure.

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Great.

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It's kind of now.

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Yeah.

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Um, so our Canon, so I wanted to do an episode about that, but I realized we probably wouldn't

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have enough lead time by the time it was all out and everything before this episode.

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So that will be on Monday.

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We'll talk about that on Monday.

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And for now we're back in the past, uh, enjoying the smooth breeze of 2003, 14 things, which

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is don't want you.

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That was 2002.

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Oh, that was a little bit further back there.

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My bad.

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Yes.

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Um, so we'll get down to business on this Jordan, but before we do, let's take a little

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moment to say hello to some new walks.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, uh, Jordan's Africaner accent in the, uh, in episode one Oh four sounds like

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Kiwi, Richard Nixon.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Now I kind of, I'm hearing Kiwi Nixon in my head, but I don't know how to make it come

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out of my mouth.

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If I could God, I could do it.

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Well, just go back to one Oh four.

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I'm working on it.

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It's like Selene's adopted pet human Carlton.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Next.

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Uh, the sea flame.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next.

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Raiden.

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Editorially.

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God of thunder.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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He was the God of thunder, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He was the God of stuff.

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All right.

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Thanks.

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Raiden.

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Next.

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Say hello to Selene for me.

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I will.

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Meow.

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There we go.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Next.

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Deep state pizza.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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But you are now a policy wonk.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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Oh, I'm probably mispronouncing it.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I wonder if there's a liver pueblian candidate.

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Uh, what?

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Liver pueblian?

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Oh boy.

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Oh boy.

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Isn't that lily pud?

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Liliputian.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's what we should be going for.

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Oh, Gulliver's Travels, that evil, evil book.

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No one will ever suspect the tiny man of becoming president.

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Sure.

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we are back in the past and I was like oh wait we have figured out what we were

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looking for in the past we know that Alex does think he's fighting the devil

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literal devil yeah and so it's like well I still want to keep going in the past I

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still enjoy this it's weird and so my initial justification was let's see what

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he thinks more about Harry Potter this is right right right that is fun

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listening over this episode I realized what our new mission is and so we'll get

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to that in the middle of this episode but before we do here's an out of

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context drop that I just think is kind of cute let's talk to Barney and

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Marilyn go ahead Barney you're on the air okay Barney's not there I don't know

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why there's something fun yes I really I don't know why but that made me laugh so

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hard Barney's I'm so excited I enjoyed that also he's got that Barney Fife kind

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of tone to him that's that's perfect so we start here on the 24th and Alex gets

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into talking about how the feds they send anthrax around oh sure and we've

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talked a bit about the anthrax letters that were sent to me in the wake of 911

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right and you know we don't need to rehash that but there's a piece of this

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narrative that I don't believe we've gotten into that I think is worth

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exploring the feds have been caught mailing fake anthrax letters in a

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congressional study that was done in 1999 remember all those powdered letters

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that got mailed to businesses and private businesses and government

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buildings and the feds then got lots of fear going and said oh we need more

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federal funding and then it turned out the CIA actually sent some super

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weaponized anthrax for real in 2001 and Bush and his cabinet were on Cipro the

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anthrax fighting antibiotic months before month before anybody ever heard

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of a case of it well they're just doing it again and and and Bush wants a six

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plus billion dollar fund for forced inoculation not just smallpox but

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anthrax shots oh they're so deadly so yeah we talked we talked a bit about the

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you know the feds sending anthrax narrative but we didn't talk about the

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angle of it that is this Bush administration folks being on Cipro

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before the letters got sent out right right right which Alex uses this he

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talks about it quite a bit it's a pretty consistent thing that he uses as proof

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that they had advanced knowledge that anthrax was going to be sent right

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right okay okay so here's what happened with this completely insane lawyer Larry

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Clayman who is still with Judicial Watch at this point great he in 2002 he sued

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the Bush administration for quote access to documents about last fall's anthrax

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attacks asserting that top officials may have known that the attacks were coming

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so it's based on the fact that you know there had been information that had come

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out that people were on Cipro he was also suing them to get a copier back

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that administration had taken from him several years ago and he wanted to know

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if Bush ever called him an asshole so Cipro is an antibiotic that can be used

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as a treatment for someone who's exposed to anthrax but it's not really the kind

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of treatment you would want for inhaled anthrax which is what the large concerns

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would be with the anthrax in these letters in fact Clayman's clients in the

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suit were workers at a Washington Post Office two employees at the facility

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where they worked had handled the anthrax letters and they had died

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because they inhaled anthrax Jesus which again that's that's why you're really

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gonna be concerned about the situation and not so much I mean you could get it

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if you have a cut on your hand you could have a different kind of exposure sure

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sure sure sure but the death kind is the one you don't want to get sure and the

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issue is that it wasn't until after this point after September 11th that the

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scientific community they made breakthroughs in terms of anti-toxin

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therapies which are really effective against inhaled anthrax like anthem and

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Rex Raxibacumab did you just curse me I think I did so yeah Raxibacumab I prefer

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anthem yeah you should stick with that one so at that time though after 9-11

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these treatments weren't available and the only real option that was on the

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table would have been antimicrobial agents and these antibiotics like Cipro

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or doxycycline the risk that these members of the Bush administration would

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have been taken by exposing themselves to anthrax even if they were on Cipro

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would be nuts yeah it's a bizarre conspiracy do you know what's the

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weirdest part about this is something that people never talk about those

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anthrax letters is they were really well written sure like collectors like that

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like letters to a young man to a young poet by Ranier Rilke you know like it's

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that kind of calligraphy oh it's amazing yeah yeah so there actually is a vaccine

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against anthrax called bio thrax if the folks in the government really wanted

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to protect themselves from a false flag anthrax attack that's almost certainly

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what they would have used they would well yeah that would make sense so here

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is actually what happened in the real world okay on September 11th right after

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the attacks George W Bush and many members of his staff were on board Air

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Force One one of the people on the plane was White House physician colonel dr.

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Richard tub tub was understandably freaked out and he decided to make a

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decision just in case the worst-case scenario came true from an interview

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with tub quote the thing at that moment I was most worried about was a biologic

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attack in the unlikely but high-risk scenario I thought there was little harm

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to be prophylaxing the staff with antibiotics it seemed like almost

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science fiction I gave everyone on the plane a week of Cipro I hope by the time

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they ran out we'd have figured out the fog of war and knew whether we needed to

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continue measures right an antibiotic like Cipro wouldn't necessarily be super

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effective at preventing you from being harmed by anthrax but you have a better

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chance the sooner to right after the exposure you start taking it the reason

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that some of the staff were given Cipro is because after 9-11 the White House

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doctor wanted to cover his bases because if there had been a biologic attack and

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he'd wanted to start the antibiotics because if he waited you couldn't get

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that time back sure sure sure I gotcha yeah yeah this is an incredibly stupid

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conspiracy theory because it fails to take into account the very clear

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explanation for why someone working in the White House might have been given

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Cipro around that time yeah there was a fear on 9-11 that they might have

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already been exposed right also you see here how Alex is using this story to

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drum up fears about forced vaccination that's because he always does that and

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it never actually ends up happening when you go back and you listen to him be

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wrong about this shit this specific shit over and over again he's being wrong so

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confidently you should really use that to inform how you hear him talking about

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COVID in the present day right right just another one of these yeah it's the

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same thing whether it's real or not outside whether there's a deadly virus

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or not vaccines are killing people or whatever yeah and it's interesting the

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way you can hear him tell this story because he's like talking about why

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would Bush administration people on Cipro months before right the the

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anthrax letters and second it wasn't months before and there was a reason

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because it was on 9-11 yeah yeah you know like it's it's suspicious the way

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he or ticks articulates it but it's not actually suspicious no no no it's very

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reasonable yeah yeah so Alex has a big headline for the day this is one of his

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varsity stories and it's about the Houston chief of police coming out and

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saying there's no justice a little bit of a stretch okay okay chief of police

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Houston Texas has gone public saying that you cannot get a fair trial in

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Houston that things are hopelessly corrupt at the crime lab publicly is in

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the job of operating a criminal syndicate framing everyone not stories

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coming up that's quite quite a quote from the Houston police I mean I've

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never heard a police chief go that far or that hard yeah the whole system is

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out of order you might be editorializing a little bit so what had happened is

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that there had been some concerns about the validity of the results that were

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coming out of the DNA crime lab in Houston after at least one person was

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found to have been wrongly convicted based on inaccurate results from that

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lab right this led to an audit of the lab and the results were not good it

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turned out that the lab had a leaky roof that they've been trying to get funds to

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fix sorry what since 1995 I'm sorry what did you just say to me yeah they had a

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bad leaky roof so you're telling me that the fucking thin line between conviction

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for 25 to life and exoneration is a leaky roof well that's not the only

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issue but that was that was indicative of the troubles and the misallocation

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not being able to allocate funds right because I think one of the bigger issues

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is there were only two analysts working in the lab which is way too few for a

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city as huge as Houston wow that's great yeah that's real great stuff yeah the

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audit not only looked at the state of affairs at the lab it also reviewed

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historical cases to identify potential flaws with evidence that came out of the

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lab the lab was closed in December 2002 and going back to the early 1990s the

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audit found quote major issues in 43 out of 135 cases that they looked at that's

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too many definitely and it also included four death penalty cases that's a

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problem oh fuck me so many of the labs potentially flawed pieces of work had

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ultimately been confirmed by independent testing so a number of them the errors

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that they made that were major issues sure some of them were not about the

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accuracy of the results right just the process and recommendation and stuff

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like that after sending this to the varsity team they actually got it right

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and they confirmed that surprise we also got it right but fuck if we knew we were

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going to we might have in it unreliably got it right right all right but

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unfortunately there was that one definitive case where they were

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responsible for this wrongful conviction and also this audit uncovered a total of

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52 cases that they had on their books that hadn't been confirmed by outside

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testing and doing so at that point would likely be impossible right and thus quote

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the possibility of other wrongful convictions resulting from DNA analysis

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during this era cannot be dismissed yeah it's a big big problem yeah a lot of the

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other areas of the Houston Police Department labs were found to actually

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be pretty solid in the audit the areas for toxicology trace evidence and

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firearm testing did a good job but that DNA part was a serious serious problem

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yeah you know the thing that everybody uses to convict people and says is

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smoking gun evidence you know that that that small part of the the process you

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know DNA you know the small part the Houston Police Department suspended the

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lab and internal affairs reviewed any criminal and administrative violations

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that could have been made in the running of the lab and this resulted in a fair

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amount of house cleaning like a bunch of people resigned the DA opened two grand

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juries and possible criminal charges for the labs operation but neither ended up

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returning any indictment sure sure sure at the point that Alex is on air talking

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about this there's a massive review going on into the errors that have been

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made in the past but the lab was not still operating and I'm certain that the

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police chief Clarence Bradford said nothing really close to what Alex's is

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alleging I do like the idea of a police chief just snapping and just being like

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you know what fuck it I'm gonna tell everybody everything this this blue wall

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of silence I'm fucking done with it that motherfucker killed six people yesterday

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I don't even know I did see some comments that he'd made about like

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prosecutors wanting to win as opposed to seeking justice and I think some of that

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might have been affected by the fact that he got in trouble with the law and

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he had just had a case against him for like perjury sure well I mean who hasn't

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perjured a little bit so when you have somebody who's being critical of the

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justice system even though they're the chief of police right it's kind of

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relevant that they had just had a brush with the law right yeah I don't know

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that does tend to be a board anyway that lab shit is very serious like it's a

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really it's a really serious story and the way Alex is covering it does a real

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disservice to the reality so any of the hard work that people were doing within

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the audit and you know the Innocence Project type organizations that we're

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trying to make sure whatever information that could be gleaned from this could be

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used to free people who had been wrongfully convicted no it's not

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surprising whenever I mean a genre of true crime is railroaded and put in jail

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unjustly you know like it's not like we have a small number of those

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documentaries just floating around out there that shit is pumped out on the

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regular for Netflix so yeah so Alex has a bit of a mistelling of this this

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Houston crime lab story and I think again this is one of the points that I

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really want to make is like this is a serious story and Alex turns it into a

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joke by reporting it poorly the Houston crime lab has framed thousands publicly

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and they think it's funny they plant DNA or makeup DNA results or plant hair or

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fibers and it's just pandemic this is a disservice to actual reporting yeah and

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the story like this requires actual reporting because it's it's a big big

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deal police chief here we've never convicted a guilty man not once right

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zero time we frame thousands of people everyone and we laugh about it at the

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Christmas party that's what it's all for yeah I mean it's it's turning this into

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a cartoon story absolutely yes yeah do anything about you just makes you mad

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yeah it's to make you mad it's the villains from Captain Planet you're

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fighting against it's a half rat man yeah okay fine sure so Alex he's worried

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about crime naturally but there's no justice in Houston but Texas is great

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because they allow you to have guns uh-huh Alex doesn't know how he would

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live in a state where he couldn't protect himself in his home from the

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roving gangs of crackhead or breaking into everybody's house I'm gonna throw

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this out at you super easy so easy I have zero guns so now after that Alex

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gets into talking about how in Texas I don't know if you know this I don't know

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interesting phenomena okay when people break into cars in Texas specifically in

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Texas in Texas okay what they do is they only break into cars that are parked on

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the street like if it's outside your house that's on the street it'll break

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into it right it's in the driveway they won't okay so we're operating on safe

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zone rules traditional tag rules you know like I'm in the base got to explain

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why in this clip that's good I can't imagine what it'd be like sleeping in my

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house without firearms and in bands of crackheads and heroin heads running

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around busting down doors raping and killing I mean they don't do that in

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Texas because they know what happens they these crooks by the way are smart

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in my neighborhood they've had a lot of cars getting broken into there has not

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been one car broken into that I know of I've talked to all the neighbors and

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that we've been robbed as well all of the neighbors not been one person who's

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been robbed when the car is parked in the parking lot you park it on the

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street and that's what happened to us they will come after you do you know why

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because they know that Texans know that we can't kill them if they're robbing

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our cars on the street but you come on my driveway I can kill you and I will by

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the way if I ever I got cameras up and if I see somebody in my car I'm gonna go

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out and I'm going to I don't know I don't want the trouble of killing them

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I'll probably just tell them to get on the ground if they try something with a

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weapon I probably shoot them and this was I don't really nice of you but plus

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I don't really know if somebody just robbed my car needs to die but that is

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legal and lawful and if you feel threatened in state law go ahead and do

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it and I'll back you that's a strange sort of weird discussion with himself on

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air yeah yeah to figure out the ethics of shooting someone for rifling through

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your car it did have a little bit of a philosophy class kind of vibe to it

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where he's going like okay so all right I do think it's right to protect my

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self however is the value of the objects in the car worth a human life on the

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other hand does that mean that there are any valuable objects that are worth a

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human life should it be $30,000 is that what I should kill a man for I I was a

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philosophy minor in college yeah and I can tell you that usually you'd explore

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a little deeper than what Alex was doing this is not a good philosophy class very

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superficial and you'll hear that he before he got to the point where it's

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like I don't know if it's worth killing someone if they're robbing my car the

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first thing he thought of was the hassle yeah yeah it is true that his biggest

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problem was I'll have to go to court and I'll have to be like I didn't do it on

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purpose I don't know if it's worth the trouble yeah yeah that's the that's the

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real problem with killing people yeah it's just a whole fucking thing

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afterwards but we know that Alex has killed a lot of people wow I mean he

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hasn't killed nobody he's killed a lot of people that's how he knows how much

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of a hassle it is he's stopped guts out people died slow that's true he's a sick

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motherfucker likes to kill he is really fucked up so yeah he talks about some of

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his stories of fighting here in this next clip sure which is really weird it's

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really weird to hear him talk about stuff like this when we know that later

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he'll tell these stories about how he killed people yeah it's real quaint back

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in 2003 and Scotland the tagging of a child would be considered in cases where

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the youngster had already broken an antisocial behavior order see it's now

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antisocial behavior yelling cussing fist fighting kids have been seen wrestling I

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mean who didn't that was never a big potty mouth but um we certainly would

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would would would go play baseball after school in a field in the neighborhood

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and and there were fistfights almost every couple weeks I wasn't always

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involved in them but I mean you know fistfights did take place somebody hit

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a baseball we played baseball and it would hit somebody in the head they'd

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say you did that on purpose and there'd be a fistfight that happens now you get

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tagged you go to jail you get into the system leaving out the murder part Wow

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or the I was constantly jumped by all the black and this telling he's just

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kind of a kid yeah who gets into fights whenever stuff goes wrong in a baseball

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game it's like a little bit of a rough sandlot yeah it is very much erupts there

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was a fistfight in sandlot sure that's normal sure you know what man when you

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get into fights and the coaches at school would hear about it they would

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punish you and just a folksy ass way I know this we didn't have all the school

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shootings and all the problems because people would work it out in a fistfight

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and and if the coaches in school caught you fighting they'd say okay you've had

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your fight but they'd stand there and let you fight they go okay now that

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you're done fighting how about we go run until you puke your guts out I got in a

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few fights not a lot of fights and I remember then walked out to the

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football stadium around the track and the coach sitting there drinking

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lemonade filling out doing test scores you know the all-talk classes I remember

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running around the track for an hour hour and a half now with the coach

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yelling faster every time we rounded the bin and and and and and scoring homework

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assignments and you didn't want to get in a fight again after you had oh and

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then generally they would catch you doing something small the next time and

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they take you in and give you four or five swats you'd have a big old bruise

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across your hind end where's the murder I was gonna say it but what's the time

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that this is 2003 yeah so it takes about anywhere from 15 to 20 years to go from

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when I got into a fight my coach man make me ran run suicide to I curb stomp

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six people while surrounded by the fucking Denver for Broncos and let me

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tell you I liked it was the best I liked it because I was demonic at the time my

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hands in their blood and wiped it on my face to prove my warrior strike yeah

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this story really it's pirate it's like starting with a 1950s idyllic we play

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stick ball in between the streets and whenever a car would drive by we would

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shake our fists at it you're running the game it's starting with like me and my

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friends would chase a hoop down the road and then like a couple years later the

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story is fucking sweet game I was forced to kill my friends die every year one

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person had to die in order to keep the school open yes yes they were the

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sacrificial lamb yes of course like in the good old days I think that the 2003

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version of these stories is a lot more believable it's very believable sounds

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like an actual story it's certainly relatable I remember when I played

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basketball in junior high mm-hmm I dropped to the coach's ring he was a

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football player he was on the NFL oh shit he had a Super Bowl ring oh shit I

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dropped it down a well no just awesome it was on some carpet nothing had but

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he was like you're running yeah you're running or I'm picking you up by the

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throat which do you prefer there is that fun relationship between a boy and his

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coach where the coach just looks at you and you go all right fine and start

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running away yeah yeah um and you know what I you know it now that I actually

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articulate this and say this out loud I wonder if that actually was a Super Bowl

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ring because I bet it wasn't yeah I bet it was something else I find it now

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looking back as a 37 year old person mm-hmm I find it almost inconceivable

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that he brought a foot like a Super Bowl ring to a junior high basketball

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practice that does seem odd although it would impress the hell out of everybody

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they're hard not to say that too I do know that he did win a Super Bowl that

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is true okay yeah he absolutely did with who I think the Giants it was Jerome

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Sally Oh Sally yeah oh my god yeah yeah yeah he he was he was a tough all right

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kids I coach Steve Young now let's go get eight points today yeah I also had

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an issue too with like he went to the same church that I went to so he knew me

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before he was my coach and that also kind of led to him having a little bit

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of a discomfort he picked on me a little bit yeah I don't like it it was fun it

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was it was it was a fun time mm-hmm but yeah I I look back on that like I had to

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have been some other sort of ring yeah I know that I dropped a ring that was of

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sentimental value and in my head I thought it was a Super Bowl sure sure

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maybe it wasn't and then I ended up running forever right right I didn't

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throw up though and then I murdered a lot of people that does sound like my

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memory of you telling me this story several years ago for the first time I

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remember we were hanging out at a bar after we recorded the show and you were

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like I can't believe I can't wait to tell you this story

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dropped a Super Bowl ring murdered six people now my coach was actually in the

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Super Bowl so I told you at the beginning of this episode that we have a

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new reason to stay in the past and that is that I had forgotten the timeline

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exactly but 2003 is when Gray Davis the governor of California sure has a recall

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against him okay it is just starting up here oh boy and that leads us to

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something very important I'm sitting here reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's bio

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or a possible run for governor of California and they like him over there

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he's for gun control he's a good Bush Republican he is for massive gun control

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so I'm sure that you will all enjoy that and he also of course is pro-abortion

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so he's a good neo-con so it won't matter if you get rid of Davis you'll

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just have some creature like Arnold Schwarzenegger Alex hates Arnold

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Schwarzenegger and I believe that this period where there is the runoff

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election yeah the recall excuse right I think that this will be I think he's

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gonna go nuts I think that I think it's gonna be a really really interesting

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period I am surprised he hates Arnold Schwarzenegger uh-huh I am I don't know

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why I feel like there's something about Arnold that he should enjoy like he

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should see something in Arnold that reminds him of masculinity of some sort

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right sure it seems like he would be attracted to that yeah you you'd think

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that they're just based on that yeah on the testosterone alone I'm sure he

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wouldn't want to articulate to somebody how attracted he is to strong men but I

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think that would be odd I don't know exactly what the the bone that he's

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picking yes but I know that he had a website that he was running that was

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like Arnold exposed like he goes all out against Arnold Schwarzenegger yeah and

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does Jesse hate it does Ventura hate to hate Arnold I'm not sure I actually

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haven't heard Alex bring up Jesse Ventura much this in this 2003 period

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interesting yeah I know they probably I don't know when did Ventura run that's a

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good question yeah I don't remember it's hard to remember the crazy governors

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from each state just like how in Texas there's no such thing as justice because

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of all the DNA tampering so every state has had a super insane governor at one

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point or another Jesse Ventura had just stopped being governor his term ended in

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2003 right so this would have been the rise of Michelle Bachman sure this would

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have been the beginning of the beginning of the end of a reasonable communication

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I don't know yeah so I am now staying in the past under the guise of tracking

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Alex's coverage of the Arnold Schwarzenegger gubernatorial run hmm

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that's what I'm excited about now and to see you're gonna have to come up with a

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good name for this investigation yeah I'll come up with a pun the sixth day

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collateral damage yes I also am still interested in seeing when Alex gets

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accepts reality about the bath party oh yeah that would be interesting that's

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something else that I'm still tracking so we're gonna say in the 2003 time

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where to God the next episode we do in the present he's gonna be like and the

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bath party is still in power in Iraq mm-hmm yeah and they've taken over the global exactly

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so Alex talks here about a cousin of his I think it's Buckley maybe it is could

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be I don't know probably he's got a big family well Confederate royalty well if

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this is Buckley his resume is much larger than house DJ and former infowars

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employee okay because he did some real serious business okay I've gone in and

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I've looked at when I first heard this I mean I actually I was stationed on a

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Bergstrom Air Force Base as in the 12 tactical intelligence squadron you're

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familiar with that well now Bergstrom isn't is the airport but but my

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cousins they're merging the army with the police right now I'm sorry what I

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tell you what I was an Air Force intelligence and one on 9-1-1 I'm

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watching the TV and I'm thinking this is absolutely impossible there's absolutely

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no way this could happen without them letting it happen or being part of it

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that's when I want to search and that's when I found you and I'll tell you what

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I like to tell it just like it is so I don't know if Buckley merged the police

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and the military but he might have been doing that at the airport I mean if it

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was Buckley's job that would explain why it didn't happen hmm and when when

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people say that Alex is like CIA and shit like that this is the kind of the

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reason why some of those people get those theories is he's like my cousin is

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merging the police with the military how can you maintain that level of like

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familiarity with your cousin if your cousin is literally implementing what

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you think is the fucking end of the world cousin is killing hey buddy listen

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I think what you're doing is wrong anyways we'll see you Thanksgiving you

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gotta agree to disagree so come on so also this caller really touches on an

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important dynamic in response to a national tragedy like 9-11 he convinces

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himself there's no way that something like that could just happen it had to

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have been a conspiracy he decides so reaching that conclusion that happens

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before he goes out looking for information so what he's actually doing

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is less about seeking truth and more about finding someone who will help him

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feel secure in the conclusion that he's already come to he wants to be the choir

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for someone else to preach to and Alex fills that role quite well yeah almost

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no one gets convinced to follow Alex or believe what he says because if they

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were using the rational parts of their brain or they were engaging with the

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information he puts out it'd be almost impossible to take him seriously the

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path is often more like what this caller is describing where there's actually no

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persuasion necessary Alex doesn't have to do any convincing he's just saying

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the things that these folks are craving to hear someone say based on the

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feelings that they have surrounding I don't know not feeling comfortable with

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the randomness of life right right right that dynamic is also really really active

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in the present-day stuff about COVID it's something that is is worth

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thinking about yeah I can't accept a chaotic universe is ultimately the

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fundamental problem with everything that we do right now it does it does lead to

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a lot of like bad thought patterns mm-hmm so one of the products of the

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chaotic universe that we live in is that there have been tied what one of the

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products of the literal product oh another one is that there have been a

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hundred different versions of the Hulk that's true so many so many versions of

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the Hulk oh man he hadn't even seen Avengers by this point I'm still back on

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Edward Norton's Hulk he hadn't been almost cast at the event no that was

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Guardians of the Galaxy aren't they part of the Avengers they are part of the

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Avengers universe there you go that's true that's true

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so Alex saw the Hulk yeah he has some thoughts okay but let me give you a

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really good example of mind control I went to saw a late night edition of the

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Hulk last night and the bad guy in the movie he is anti world government he's

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anti corrupt government sounds like you got a siren in the background I should

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call Sam I appreciate it and thanks for that information what just happened they

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go in and they you know at the end of the movie the bad guys against big

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government see it's always that message the bad guys against big government and

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the you watch the daytime talk shows the Jerry Springer's they'll have some

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toothless clam guy up there calling black people all these horrible names

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then he'll add to it by the way it's a New World Order New World Order and

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he'll speak out against the New World Order and taxes and regulation in the UN

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so now when I mean they would never have me on one of those shows cuz I bring

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people together to defeat the New World Order to expose the threat sure the times

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that Alex has been on shows he certainly was bringing people together yeah

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comporting himself like a respectable gentleman yeah really bringing the

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information to the table not just screaming plugs for infowars calm you

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know I think when I think of Alex I think there's just not been anyone so

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much like Fred Hampton in my life stuff in a lifetime you know somebody who can

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bring together all of the lower class doesn't matter what race doesn't matter

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what Creed bring them and that's that's Alex is a unify unifying force

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absolutely yeah um I think that I have some bad news for Alex and like the

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people who are super racist and also are against the New World Order so they

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aren't plants no they're just there's a lot of racists in your community yeah

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yeah I think Alex's real problem is more that they pick a racist without teeth he

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would he would prefer that he were to go on these shows so he could be the racist

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screaming about the new suit and he'd have a really nice teeth he'd have

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gotten braces oh yeah these people are being too publicly contemptible yes yeah

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whereas if I were to go on there yeah yeah yeah yep and the Hulk apparently is

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mind control sure what about the other one what about the next one what what

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what other one the next Ang Lee one is before this or after I think this I

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think he must be talking about the Ang Lee one because I think the Ang Lee one

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came before the Edward Norton one and that came before what's his dumb face

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took over as the Hulk for the Avengers uh-huh you know the Ang Lee Hulk was the

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2003 one nice yeah so that's the Eric Bana yeah yeah okay so let's see

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Norton would have been in what like 2008 or 9 or something like that was a far

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away 2008 is the Incredible Hulk yeah right

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the Edward Norton one yeah Wow crazy Marvel has dominated by adult life

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hey no kind of brutal fashion and pretty shocking that you nailed both like both

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of those no it's really it makes me question my sanity yeah yeah I know that

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I watched those I don't remember them here's the word I was bored here's the

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worst part yeah never saw both of those I've never seen one of the Hulk movies

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that is rough that is weird yeah yeah so Alex take some calls as you heard the

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siren in the call those guy who's on the phone and Alex gets a little bit upset

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at this next caller who brings up a certain radio host hmm I was like who is

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this and Alex doesn't give me very many clues see the neo cons will take some

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issue that has some importance but is dwarfed by all these other issues I

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heard that same host on Monday saying Harry Potter's good and it's not the

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occult and it's not a problem oh yeah they just released it on the summer

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solstice folks right folks I mean come on and you can't see that you're blind

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yeah yeah now if you can't see that Harry Potter is demonic because they

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released one of the five books on the solstice right you're blind I mean it

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tracks to me so apparently some host was on the radio right there's a neo-con was

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talking about how Harry Potter isn't evil yeah demonic yeah and Alex does not

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enjoy this it turns out I believe this is Michael

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Savage explains a bit more about Michael Savage throughout this he gets another

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call from somebody who's like hey you know I was trying to turn my friends on

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to your show ah and I told this guy to listen right and so I told him and then

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he told me that I did listen and I called the FBI cuz that dude's crazy

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yeah he tells this story twice okay then Alex brings in his guest for the show

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which is Ray McGovern ah it's a guy who's been on quite a bit like an old

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intelligence analyst sure sure and Alex wants the caller to tell Ray this story

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it's just it's he tied the story so many times and it's it's not even a good

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stuff terrible right I just wanted to illustrate that because I hear this

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national talk show host here locally in Austin say every day I mean I tune in

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probably ten times I've heard it five times anyone that disagrees with the

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government should be arrested and put in a camp were you aware of what Michael

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Savage is saying no I'm afraid I I'm allergic to listening to those things

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Alex it's I'm not aware of it but I'm not surprised yeah so this caller has

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told this story for the third time right and now Alex is like yeah there's the

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FBI call it the FBI they want to put me in jail like Michael Savage yeah yeah

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it metastasized instantly I find it fascinating that Michael Savage is so

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hated by Alex at this point and like in the future Alex will be like he's always

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been a great hero yeah yeah it's like you with survivor you know you just he's

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just been beaten down by so much Michael Savage over the years he's like hey he

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says enough of the stuff I like to hear don't think that's analogous but fine so

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Alex has this interview with Ray McGovern for about the like rest of the

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show and I find it very boring it's basically just hey Iraq sucks like not

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Iraq the country the right it's bad and sure sure sure sure why not yeah war is

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bad yes I'm with you and Ray McGovern expresses that he feels bad for the

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people in Iraq and yeah good yeah that's totally the right take but then he says

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something that I would have thought Alex would freak out about and it's kind of

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disappointing that he doesn't I feel incredibly angry Alex not only at what's

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going on but but what's being done not only to these children to the Iraqis but

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what's being done to the souls of our troops we really can't blame the troops

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you know they signed up most of them from the inner city most of them from

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the farms they hope that the army we give them away into an education and so

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forth they didn't bargain for this and now they're being trained to be

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bloodthirsty psychopaths they're gonna come back here and become our police

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officers and if somebody says oh you don't support the troops shut up hey a

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unit of Delta Force came back and in one week killed four of their wives folks

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something's happening to their souls go ahead right so that's a really important

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aspect of all this as for you know as for what what needs to be done well

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clearly this needs to be internationalized we can't pretend to

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have the answer to these things we had no plan going in we had that we had no

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plan for what would happen after the war so we need to get the UN in there and we

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also need to invite the UN inspectors back so that should be something that it

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leads to fireworks that's yeah no Alex should have been like yeah like he's

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like well we should bring in the devil yeah exactly that's what that is and it

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doesn't lead to a fight it's really disappointing we're gonna need the

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frontman for evil to step in and fight this battle for you need to

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internationalize this I can't believe that somebody would say that to Alex's

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face and Alex would not react like that yep I think part of it is at this point

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ray McGovern is kind of somebody who has some credibility and I don't think Alex

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wants to lose that once again we get into status imbalance leading to Alex

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being a scaredy-cat yeah at this point Alex is incredibly low status

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compared yeah and I think that's that's why he does point he does speak up and

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is like oh the UN is actually bad yeah and ray isn't having any of it but it

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doesn't lead to a fight it just it just leads to them talking yeah like having

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separate conversation essentially like Alex says one thing right kind of

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ignores it and says another yeah I wanted it to be a fight that's such a

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that and that's also one of those things with Alex that's such a tell for me and

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is is like regardless of all the other shit like somebody who's so that aware

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of how status imbalance should change the way that they to the point where

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it's so obvious he's just a bully yeah you know like that's what the every

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interaction with a status imbalance shows is Alex is just a bully mm-hmm

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that's it but he's also a bully with a bad radar yeah that's true he also

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thought that he could bully like Bill Ayers that is true and that is true that

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blew up in his face yeah but that's because Bill Ayers is a lefty socialist

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monster so it should be easy when you have the power of the Lord behind you to

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say get behind me say right bad radar bad radar bullying right yeah I also

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think that there's something I just I just feel like if you believe that the

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UN is an instrument of trying to explicitly from the beginning has been

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about bringing in the New World Order a one-world government which is going to

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be run by the Antichrist and Satan right if somebody is they like well I think we

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need to bring in the UN in order to fix this mess that is happening in Iraq and

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international solutions are necessary you should not be able to move on to any

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other subject until this is cleared up and if you have a fundamental

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disagreement you should be like thank you very much I cannot talk to you right

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because you believe in the devil right right right exactly doesn't do that

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because that's not serious yeah what I did what I do and somebody says

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something like that is I scream uncontrollably they're barking like a

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dog yeah yeah he has like a political opposition to you know international

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solutions to problems and he masks that with it's the devil because it's more

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interesting and fun and it pokes his listeners emotional buttons brutal yeah

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yeah anyway we move on to the 25th because the Ray McGovern interview is

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not really all that good Alex starts out the show saying something that is really

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funny really silly welcome my friends welcome to another live edition of the

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Alex Jones show where we talk about real issues that actually sorry like you and

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your family now I'm sorry we're not going to discuss how stupid Hillary

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Clinton is or how dumb Jesse Jackson is or how the Democrats are traitors we

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already know that we're going to address on this show the neo cons that are

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expanding government grabbing our guns getting rid of our borders selling us

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out to a world government and then claiming they're conservative wait a

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couple years and see how much you talk about Hillary being snow shit Jesus man

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I like that that's an issue that is not relevant to his callers and their

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families at this point and then becomes the only relevant issue that's the only

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thing that's ever been important she's been working with the devil since she

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was born Alex saw it in a dream prophetically and that's why he can say

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fuck it you don't need to pay attention to Hillary Clinton fine yeah so almost

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the first hour of this episode is Alex yelling about how he's the one who

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really supports the troops and honestly I don't want to split too many hairs

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about this because most of the point that he's making is fine and that is if

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you do support the troops you should not support sending them into an unjust war

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where people are going to get killed yeah and forcing them to be in a

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situation where they could kill civilians and have that on their

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conscience and yeah that's not an arguable thing yeah he's like you know

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and if you support the troops you should support health care for veterans and you

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know like all this stuff like yes fine point right good job good job but it's

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about the almost the whole first hour so here's a little taste supporting the

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troops doesn't mean using them like well like birdcage liner and loving America

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doesn't mean you know ah again I talk about plastic Chinese desecrated

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American flags I am offended I'm the type of guy who would get a tear in my

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eye during the Star Spangled Banner during the Pledge of Allegiance and I

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still do in fact even more so because I think of how this country is being

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ruined by fake shallow phonies who are so stupid politically that they don't

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even know that they are ultra liberals the liberals are so liberal now and so

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mind control that they call themselves conservatives holy shit man Wow he's

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really above the left-right paradigm above it yeah yeah but I think at that

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it really is a clear articulation of what he believes his politics to be and

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that is that the left is super evil super bad and the conservatives are

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actually just the left they're pretending to be exactly the right but

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they're the left yeah he conceives of himself as just like being conservative

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when he's extremely far to the right right right the problem with the

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neocons is that they're Democrats and Democrats are the problem yeah so it

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doesn't matter what you call yourself anybody I don't like as a Democrat yes

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yeah his problem with the left and the right isn't that like they each have

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problems and things that there are like okay this is where you're wrong here a

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little bit it's that they're the same thing and they're all to the left of him

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yeah yeah that's what it is I'm so far right everything is to the left of me so

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I hate everything yeah and he's able to trick people into thinking that he's

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above this sort of dichotomy and he's able to trick people into thinking he's

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sensible because he has sensible positions like this supporting the

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troops doesn't mean supporting them being used to have this nonsense war

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right and also I think he's a little bit of a blowhard I get a tear in my eye oh

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my god I hear the star-spangled banner and I cry fuck off Jesus ridiculous cry

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imagine crying saying the Pledge of Allegiance as an adult as an adult

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single-tier oh my god let me pledge allegiance to this thing destroying me

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Christ I only think that that could happen if it was the culmination of like

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a really traumatic experience or something like that like I'm in a movie

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kind of experience maybe I live Independence Day the movie the movie

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independence day at the end we say the Pledge of Allegiance then I might cry

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right so I will have had to leave this attack of these aliens right so so Bill

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Pullman is just given his big this is the independence day for the world

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speech then we got a we got the dude flying up into the thing the whole thing

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explodes and then Bill Pullman leads you in the Pledge of Allegiance tear tear I

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get it I get it in those circumstances that's okay

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Will Smith comes up behind you and hugs you yeah yeah no totally I get it

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uh did Jeff Goldblum survive? Yes, Jeff Goldblum survived, he made it into the sequel

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oh that's right yeah talk about a status imbalance Will Smith did not what about

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I can't remember who else is in that movie so we get to a little more Harry Potter

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talk yeah so Alex gets a call from a guy who's like hey man hey man what if the

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release of Harry Potter is just a distraction now this is a oh shit Alex

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says no okay John you're on the air yes is the Harry Potter rollout on the

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summer solstice designed to divert attention from Bohemian Grove and the

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Franklin cover-up I don't think so but I don't know the Harry Potter books do get

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kids into witchcraft it is a fact don't deny it fact just like a Christian book

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is designed to get kids into Christianity and they do roll the books

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out on winter or summer solstice and it is a cult and that's basically what this

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is all about getting us away from our Christian values and anybody that denies

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that just hasn't studied it oh right okay so witches do the exact same thing

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this Christians do but which is their cult Christians aren't a cult that's

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completely different because we're right about things because God is real he

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gives us the powers to banish demons control magic and you know the whole

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thing right huh yeah I what sort of Christian book are you talking there's a

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lot of books that are sold at Christian bookstores that are like persuasive or

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like Bible study kind of books yeah there's a book and it's just about a

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character who happens to be Christian I don't think it wouldn't necessarily be a

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persuasive book towards like evangelizing right in the same way that

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Harry Potter isn't trying to get you into witchcraft it's just a child who

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goes to a school because he's a fucking wizard right but isn't he kind of

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implying that a book written by a Christian similar to Harry Potter would

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specifically have the unspoken you should join Christianity element to it

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unless he's applying that instantly to a Harry Potter book because it only makes

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sense for him if that's the case for Christians to do it why wouldn't the

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witches be doing I mean it's possible but I think one of the other things too

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there's an undercurrent that I think Alex is lamenting and that is that if

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this book was about a child like Harry Potter mm-hmm who is destined to go to a

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monastery sure or something sure become a monk sure okay it wouldn't be as cool

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as Harry Potter right right and so you get the kids who are like freaking out

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about like oh my god I love this book where the kid becomes a monk what if

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Umberto Eco wrote Harry Potter with all the Christian iconography interesting I

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think I think it would it would have a tougher time catching on not because of

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an aversion to Christianity and pop culture yeah just because that's not

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being a monk isn't as cool to kids as being a wizard because there's magic

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true and semiotics professors don't necessarily relate to the the children's

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trends these days mm-hmm so this same caller is like hey man hey man yeah

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anyone going to the Grove this year you're gonna go check out the grove

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Alex says anything Friday you go to the grove Alex says no oh and then this

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caller break break some important news okay am I gonna go out there with video

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this year well I snuck in three years ago three years July 15th it'll be three

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years and I don't know I certainly won't ever be going back there I gave copies

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of that tape and your 911 tape to Ralph Nader and Congressman John Duncan

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Republican and the law professor RFK jr. yeah so at this point I'm thinking wait

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you know Ralph Nader it does seem like he is like hey Ralph mm-hmm sends him a

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little text message I got this thing to get you yeah yeah I thought that was a

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little bit interesting the story goes on okay so they're all seem to be pretty

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impressed with that wait wait so you heard back from I'm sorry so you're

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telling me that Ralph Nader sent you a message saying like whoa Alex cat

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really did find something yeah yeah they got together and we're talking about

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seatbelts right naturally of course RFK jr. is there uh-huh and they're like

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that Alex video is pretty good okay I was like wow this caller this is a bit

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this is a big deal wait a second is this where RFK jr. goes crazy oh no did he

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give him the Alex thing and that's the beginning of it all you never know oh

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man this could be his cue you say they were impressed with it yeah they say

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after after they watch it they seem to change their their attitude on

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television it may just be coincidence maybe they never watched it but Oh Nader

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did jump ship from the Green Party and is now apparently running for Republican

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presidential nominee and he's attacking Bush on C-SPAN really hard and that's

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disappointing he just like mailed them the video and then he saw something

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Nader said on TV the next couple weeks ago and he's like well clearly Nader saw

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the thing gotta be yeah about me sending him Alex's tape yeah yeah this is

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definitely not me talking to the TV that would be crazy no ha ha ha and Ralph

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Nader did not run for Republican he went independent for the the 2004 election

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and a big part of that was the Republican far wasn't right enough for

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him they weren't far right enough for Ralph Nader right yeah it was an

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electoral strategy they used yeah it was it wasn't so much that Alex Jones

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his video blew his mind and he left the Green Party oh man Ralph Nader yeah

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leaving the Green Party because of Fahrenheit 9-11 I think it's really fun

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the way that Alex responded to that caller hmm because there was a moment

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where he thought like oh you know Ralph Nader Ralph Nader really did like my

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yeah so disappointing oh man yeah yeah a certain point he's got to learn not to

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get his hopes up yeah that's a terrible idea don't take any of these callers

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seriously you know a lot of the times 99% of callers to most shows don't

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really have any information and 1% whoa they really are on it a hundred percent

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of Infowars callers are going to lie to you about knowing whether or not the TV

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is speaking to them and interestingly 99% of Alex's callers have a career in

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intelligence so weird it's so weird yeah it's so weird they're all in Space

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Command so we talked on a recent 2003 episode about Alex's conspiracy about

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UNESCO wanting to destroy the family and how that's bullshit but apparently they

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they do want to destroy oh they do yeah okay and again we have UNESCO that Bush

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just signed on to saying I read it last week their official document the family

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is the enemy is a disease official UNESCO documents posted at Newsmax we

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link to it I've read it right out of the UT textbooks the Calhoun reader the

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family's the enemy we will destroy it this is how you do it it's not a

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stereotype it's a unit of survival and strength your kid is four to five times

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more likely to end up in prison on drugs if they do not have a man in the house

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doesn't work to have two women doesn't work to have two men we are genetically

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engineered by God to follow a certain pattern and they know it that's why

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they're trying to destroy it yeah so Alex's belief in family systems being

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heteronormative and you know one man one woman right it's not it's it's it's not

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based on something that's changeable it's based on his belief that God

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genetically engineered humans to be that way yes that's the only system that

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works yeah it's and to do otherwise is an affront to God right because God

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could not have thought ahead and saw people not acting like the way you

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wanted him to write that's crazy so what you could do is you could I don't know

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find statistics about two-parent households where you know it's a woman

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and a woman or man and a man or sure sure and they would show obviously that

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you're four to five times more likely to be you could find that that's not the

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case oh there's relative similarities and

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outcomes I mean in in in households and it wouldn't matter to Alex you could

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have any statistic you want because that's just statistic has nothing to do

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with disproving that God genetically made us I was gonna say did God write

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those statistics right it's it's it's it's a way that this argument can never

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really actually be had nope but Alex will throw things in like four to five

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times more likely to end up in prison if you don't have a man in the in the home

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then what about two men it's you know here's what's fun here's what's fun

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about this type of stuff have you ever noticed how the answer ultimately will

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always be because God said so yep and yet somehow there are so many things

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that they also want to say on top of that right you know if your ultimate

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answer is because God said so why are you telling me that there are

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statistics to back it up because you don't want to start with that because

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then you sound like a crazy religious zealot you got it right yep

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anyway the Washington Post apparently has an article about how they're gonna

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outlaw the Bible okay did you hear about that the Washington Post is going to

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outlaw no they let's call them UNESCO sure yeah the Washington Post is savagely

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basically attacking Mel Gibson risk film about Christ the ADL says a description

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and going from the King James Version actually reading out of the Bible is the

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text of the film is maybe a crime I'm gonna read this article the next hour

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they're calling for it to be changed they say showing the Pharisees calling

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for the death of Christ is anti-semitic and I read the BBC news article last

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year there may be a ban on the New Testament in large areas the Old

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Testament so again this is the new system as well oh wow I would switch

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that around I assumed that the band would be on the Old Testament so the

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Passion of the Christ wouldn't actually come out until the next year but at this

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point many advocacy groups like the ADL had been given copies of the script they

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were a little bit concerned with the way that this story was being told for one

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thing Mel Gibson was taking a great deal of artistic license seemingly mostly in

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ways that painted Jews as being evil and bloodthirsty well you know in the

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horizon given Gibson subsequent behavior I would say it's probably not an

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accident no also I didn't realize this until I was checking in on the passions

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release date but they're actually making a sequel that's due to be released next

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year wait what yeah and this is in our time yes it's 2022 they're making a

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sequel to the Passion of the Christ about the resurrection oh I was gonna

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say I was like you can't repassion that Christ no no it's the next sort of story

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within that million yeah so this is gonna be a huge mess I think considering

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that Jim Caviezel is set to play Jesus again and in the year since the first

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one he's gone completely insane and is now a big QAnon star has risen beyond

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what even Jesus could have hoped he's particularly big on promoting

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adrenochrome related conspiracies which of course are really just a modern-day

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rehashing of the blood libel I do not look forward to this movie coming out

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because whatever accusations that were about anti-semitism in the first one

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yeah I can't imagine how amplified they're going to be this is fucking wild

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yes we are going to make a movie about the most famous Jew of all time to make

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sure everyone hates the Jews yeah I think there's even just a fundamentally

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offensive thing about like Jim Caviezel playing Jesus again at this point oh I

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did well sure that's yeah there's an element of that there too but more more

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to the fact that he's an active promoter of anti-semitic conspiracy theories it

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seems fraught yeah I mean but but even then the Mel Gibson was part of his I'm

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sure he was part of his dad's church at this point in time and they were

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violently anti-semitic so it's not like anti-semitism has caused a problem in

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for his career mm-hmm you know yep I'm not looking forward to this movie

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coming out I'm not looking forward to it no no I'm gonna be a good time I also

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think that in 2004 when that movie came out we weren't nearly as crazy as a

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society as we are now right right right that could that could really do some

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public damage oh yeah no that would not be good might kill each other over that

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movie I really hope not yeah I hope I hope not too but first movie I remember

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churches bussing in groups of people to go see the movie that's like hey this is

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cool I mean we got to get kids to see this we need children seeing this yeah

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yeah now it's gonna be like we need children killing the people who hate

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this movie as I recall I was in college at the time and my dad I was a religious

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studies professor had written a sort of a letter to the editor to the local

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paper yeah about the passion of the Christ not being right great right right

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right yeah and I remember walking on campus one day in the preacher brother

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Jed who was like this campus preacher sure yell whore yeah yeah you know the

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good guy yeah he I remember walking by and hearing him yelling about my dad

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that's hilarious because that's really funny took issue with this letter to the

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I was like whoa I think it's worthwhile getting angry over a movie yeah yeah

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especially especially a movie that by your own book should be considered

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insanely blasphemous I didn't I didn't have enough awareness of like what

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campus preachers were kind of like at that point and so I waited until he

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stopped yelling and I I went over as like hey you know that's my dad you know

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please just stop yelling bullshit about my dad about my family yeah and then I

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like with there's a little bit of a beat and then he called me a seed of Satan

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and started screaming I love it this is point that's good stuff yeah yeah so

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Alex gets another call here a lot of calls on this episode sure the first

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hour is just like hey supporting the troops means something different than

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they say right then it's a lot of calls and there's one guy he is calling in to

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tell Alex that he has had he's been pulled over a couple times and this last

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time the police wanted to search his car right and he said yeah sure go ahead oh

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that was a wrong move Alex says that too yeah but also it turns out that they

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didn't end up searching his car okay well then this story is over there's no

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point in telling it it's a very boring story no no no what this is part of a

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conspiracy news in New York they're stopping people randomly giving them

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tickets for everything it's about squeezing us sir and they've got a lot

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of new mandates they've been given federally so they're increasing their

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activities to fund them right but the fact that they didn't search your car

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three times when they pulled you over the third time would you point out this

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is the third time why are you doing this I did and they said they said that it

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was coincidental yeah sure but you say that you work in a software company that

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does work for the government yeah it's it's all contract work and you did a

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bunch of four-year requests Freedom of Information Act request correct

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probably a call came down just to harass you but that's I mean I wouldn't let

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that stop you oh great okay this is good thinking fucking how do you get to be

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that psychopathically confident you know just like oh you know what that sounds

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to me like they're doing the regular old thing they do somebody gave the call

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down to harass you obviously yeah sure by not searching your car when they ask

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and you give them consent to yeah weird yeah yep this is so stupid Wow say

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you're white without saying you're white I gave them consent to my to search my

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car and they didn't I do I do think that there's something really toxic about

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this interact this kind of interaction with this listener who obviously views

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Alex as a credible sort of person a source of information like to tell this

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story and then Alex's response be like oh yeah obviously a call came down and

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they're probably just trying to harass you for the foyer requests that you're

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making I just think it's unhealthy yeah it leads people down a bad path yeah

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yeah that's it is like you're you're calling in for you know you could get

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two things when you call in you know you can get one or the other thing you can

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get confirmation or you can get comfort and there you know Alex is always for

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confirmation you know just that like hey I think there I think the government's

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out to get me and kill me and my entire family and Alex could just be like you

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know what I am the conspiracy guy and guess what I can tell you this one time

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you're totally fine you're safe they're totally safe this is amazing you're the

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safest person in the history of the world government it has no idea who you

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are or you can be like I guess what you're totally right you're going to be

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murdered at any time go into the forest buy my food and the evidence of this is

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something that could easily be a coincidence totally absolutely oh boy so

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one of the things that's a hallmark of this period of time for Alex on his show

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is that he is obsessed with the idea that neoconservatism has its roots in

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Strauss Strauss thought okay right sure he talks about this article that the

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headline is neoconservatives dance a Strauss Ian waltz right like he talks

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about this all the fucking time right and so this caller calls in he wants to

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talk about Irving Kristol right Bill Kristol's dad okay one of the leading

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thinkers in the neoconservatism right world right and listen carefully to this

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clip because I think that this clip clearly reveals to people who don't know

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anything about what they're talking about but don't want to let the other

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one know they do realize okay the founding well one of the the most

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prolific neoconservative writers with Irving Kristol now the father of the

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yeah yeah right crystal and when you alluded to Strauss you are not alluding

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to Leo Strauss correct no okay do you know anything about Leo Strauss he's

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dead now I am familiar but not enough to really make any comments all right well

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I'll tell you this if you want a really fun intellectual exercise for the

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weekend do what you can to find information on the Straussian school of

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political theory because this stuff that you're talking about is that University

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of Chicago Strauss Strauss is not with the University of Chicago he's not with

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the the Chicago School of Economics or anything like that listen I gotta go I

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gotta let you go man okay a bunch of callers here thanks for the call that is

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a damning conversation Wow so Irving Kristol father of Bill

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Kristol is one of the big figures in neoconservatism he's also someone who had

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Straussian leanings earlier in his life when people talk about Strauss they are

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100% across the board talking about Leo Strauss so Alex saying he's not is

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ridiculous yeah that is a clear indication that he knows the word

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Straussian but he doesn't know what he's talking about I I assume I assume Alex

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thinks that neo cons play the violin really well I'm guessing that's it yeah

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yeah also Strauss did teach at the University of Chicago and he's very much

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associated with that school so this caller is off base and what he's even

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talking about the confusion I think is based on the fact that there's also an

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economic philosophy called the Chicago School of Economics based on the work of

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people like Milton Friedman this is a term that is used mostly to describe

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economics professors at the University of Chicago which isn't necessarily

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related to the scholarship of Leo Strauss who taught political science at

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the same University because this caller and Alex don't really know what they're

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talking about it's impossible for them to disambiguate these terms so they're

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basically just talking at each other and it's really it's really strange that

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they're really telling damning things are the caller saying you're talking

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you're not talking about Leo Strauss and Alex says no he is yeah the fact that he

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doesn't know that right is a problem that's a huge problem and then when the

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caller says do you know anything about Leo Strauss not enough to comment right

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which means no no absolutely not cuz nothing on so much

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shit he knows nothing about everything I comment on I know nothing about yeah so

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it really is a fascinating glimpse into how poorly he grasps the basis of this

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subject yeah his big conspiracy about the neo-conservatives is that they're

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all secretly Democrats and liberals based on this Straussian ideology right

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that's behind it he doesn't even understand any of that shit no his basis

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for attacking neo-conservatives is nothing he has a house built on sand

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yeah essentially when he's trying to to talk about this I'm always interested

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when Alex instinctively knows he's in weird territory for him you know like

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more than willing to talk shit for forever but if he gets something where

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he's like I know I'm supposed to know this and I know I don't mmm so I'm gonna

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try and let you I'm gonna try and tease out what it is I'm supposed to know from

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you and then I compare it back to you so you think I know what I was talking

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about from the beginning or I can let you talk for a while I'll find

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something inaccurate that you say right I'll latch on to that invalidate your

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point change the conversation on yeah yeah I think that there is also a

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dynamic that's at play here that is unique to whenever he's on the phone

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with somebody I think that he has a pretty good radar in terms of like if

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someone's gonna be a problem yeah like if they have information that could be a

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problem yeah yeah yeah yeah and that is what you see there right that's why they

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call ends abruptly right that's why I was like oh if this caller talks more

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it'll reveal the depth to which I don't know any of this exactly and yeah that's

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just just good it's good instinct on his part it is yeah no alvers up his

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ignorance quite quite well oh man Alex just being like I I know some things but

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not enough to talk about it could not be more of a tell it could not mean

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anything mm-hmm more then I have no fucking clue yep so that article that

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Alex was talking about from the Washington Post about banning the Bible

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apparently that was really just an article about Mel Gibson and the

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Passion of the Christ being dicey sure but they're gonna ban the Bible next you

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don't like that movie you have to ban the Bible right and Alex's defense of

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that is an article that he read in the BBC from a year before okay and I

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remember the BBC article British Broadcasting last year mr. bagels and

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Old Testament could be bad was the headline mr. bagels is a World War one

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comic book character who shoots down German aces and says I don't like

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Germans and they're discussing banning that the xenophobic and they say the Old

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Testament has comments by Jews about destroying other tribes under orders

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from God and they say that's hateful now there's a discussion of banning the New

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Testament so there was a anti-racism framework that was being discussed by

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the EU in 2002 and there's one guy named Lord Scott opined that the framework

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would outlaw the Old Testament as well as the very what I'm gonna call of its

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time series of that's a good way of putting big goals yeah somebody says

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there's something wrong with Tintin I have no idea what they're talking about

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yeah yeah it's fun to just say that he didn't like German that's the problem

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yeah also you might note that it's 2021 and all this stuff is still very much

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legal yeah this stuff happened I mean it would be it would be interesting if

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somebody was like hey all right we don't want any books in schools or you know

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that promote genocide and then you're like okay well yeah Canaan and they're

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like well I mean the Bible's fine of course come on man

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it's all right father did yeah it's all good so you you may notice that like the

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ADL is complaining about Mel Gibson and the Passion of the Christ and you know

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all this is gonna lead to obviously the outlawing Christianity sure and so

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therefore the ADL is coming after that is a very sharp slippery slope this is

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it you know you think it's you think it's the ADL just going after the Klan

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and people know going after the Bible which was written by the way by Jews

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okay most of it got him so I don't know that's just this is the craziness you

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heard from the EU government they're gonna ban TV shows plays movies where

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women or men are shown in stereotypical roles that's women in dresses anything

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like that it's a hate crime now not just in the workplace but on the street so

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it's total control by the politically correct and Bush is signed on to the

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group pushing all this known as UNESCO Wow so yeah apparently women can't wear

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dresses in TV shows and plays and and and stuff now it's a hate crime this is

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real stuff this is why they're so good at obstructing progress because they

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don't even give a fuck if it's actually progress if it's even like a fake

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imaginary thing that someone might do the cacophony of howling screams of

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whining is so loud yeah that you can't even be like no I mean who gives a shit

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about the well it's like you know a lot of the petty grievances and nonsense

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that Alex brings up it does remind me of the Phantom Tollbooth remember that

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book yeah terrible trivium the guy who made Milo move a pile of sand grain

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at a time yep that's basically what Alex is a lot of the time yeah each grain of

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sand that you have to move over is a distraction that's not really based in

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any reality right but somehow you're expected to clear it up right and it's

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just to slow you down so you can't free rhyme and reason oh if you want if you

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want gun control you're gonna have to start with proving to me that guns even

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exist uh-huh yeah and that means that Steve Pachannik is the spelling bee all

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right Info Wars Phantom Tollbooth go okay Joel Skousen sure is the horrible

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din okay okay who is the conductor who would like make this the sunrise come up

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do you remember his name I mean the moment you ask me for a name is the

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moment the name has gone forever uh-huh you know like if I had if I could have

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been like oh you know like the conductor five seconds ago then you asked me the

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name and I'll never remember Alex is Milo Roger Stone is talk maybe Steve

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Pachannik is talk because he's been on info Wars for so much longer longer in

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the path I'd say the Trump years was true oh no the current day of the the

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kovat stuff is the doldrums no you are in the doldrums yes yeah they're having

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a fantastic time you think Alex is bored by it too that's probably true who was

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the conductor this is gonna bother me yeah I'm regretting this strongly I

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feel like I short-circuited you who is the cop who cares we gotta go all right

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anyway there's no more clips oh yeah we've come to the end of this oh no

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wonder you were so willing to go on the Phantom Tollbooth refer I'd also like to

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talk about the Phantom Tollbooth yeah well that's about right the the rest of

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the episode is just Alex doing his news blitz at the end of the show which is

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just him reading the same headlines he's already talked sure sure sure the recap

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yeah yeah it's quite boring hmm um so yeah I think I think that also let's not

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just leave unsaid that that's a bit anti-semitic the idea that the ADL is

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going after yeah yeah how could they how could the ADL go after a book that was

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written by the ADL I mean not all Jews are exactly the same but that's what I'm

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saying yeah and it's it's the it's the it's the conception of this like they're

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pretending that they're a advocacy organization anti-defamation league but

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what they're really about is crushing Christianity yeah and that that has some

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some narrative roots in archaic tropes of anti-semitism so I mean we get to the

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end of this and you know there's not there's not like a ton of stuff that

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happens there's some interesting things so certainly trends that are important

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to point out things like the way Alex covers that Houston crime lab story is a

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disservice to the reality of the story right and you know it's important to

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understand the ways that Alex is actually actively doing the opposite of

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helping yeah in cases like that yeah in terms of the news yeah he gives people

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a worse idea of what's going on than if they knew nothing right and that sucks

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leaving them in a more manipulatable position yes yeah but more importantly

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perhaps huh Harry Potter is still going on true is still mad true still mad

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about Harry and we found the new thing to be tracing in 2003 which is the

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Arnold Schwarzenegger gubernatorial run yeah which I will I promise you I'll

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come up with a pun with I would really like specifics like if Harry Potter is

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leading you to become a witch what in Harry Potter is real and what's not like

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our Giants real our centaurs real like well what are we talking about you know

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that Alex does believe the Giants are real because quail has told him about

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it that is true Giants yeah he's written a couple books are good yeah yeah okay

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what else um I mean Dobby pixies or pixies real sure how selves how so okay

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yeah um well boy now we're getting into all the anti-semitic ones oh it's so

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Jordan yes we'll be back but until then we do it's knowledge fight calm yes

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we're also on Twitter we are on Twitter it's add knowledge underscore fighting

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that go to bed Jordan yep we'll be back on Monday with a little bit of a look at

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the old Tucker nonsense but until then neo only oh DZX Clark I'm Darrell

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Rundis you're a traitor Dan Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for

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holding well Alex I'm a person color I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you