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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight, knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Wow, I love college fight.

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Dan and Jordan, Knowledgefight, riddle with, riddle with, riddle with, riddle with, riddle

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with, riddle with, riddle with, riddle with, riddle with.

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Andy and Chancellor, Andy and Chancellor.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Chancellor, Andy and Chancellor.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Chancellor, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I am with Eastern echo

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I love your world.

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Knowledgefight.com, n-n-n-uh, n-n-n-n-twh

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Now we're at Andy and Chanzas.

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Andy and Chanzas.

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Stop it. Andy and Chanzas.

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Andy and Chanzas.

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It's time to pray. Andy and Chanzas.

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You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex. I'm a first time color language fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledgefight.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Fight Knowledge.

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I'm Jordan. I'm Dan.

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This is a nice little podcast

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where we talk about anything.

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But Alex Jones

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we do still worship at the altar of

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Selena. Hey Jordan. Yes Dan.

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What's your bright spot?

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We're great at this.

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I jumped the gun.

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I don't know how you have that restraint

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generally. I'm telling you.

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That's the thing that most people are like

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Jordan, where do you get all

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your restraint from? You lay back in the cut

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and you come in right at the right

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time to ask about the bright spot.

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I was over eager to hear

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about your bright spot. Just wait until I say

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2021. We're going to be in secret.

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Ah dammit!

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You

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hit my bright spot today Dan.

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I don't know if you

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know this. But tomorrow

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we're recording this on the 21st.

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Tomorrow is October 22nd.

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And that is the day that Dune is released

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my friend. Is that right?

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Dune! Is that right? The new Dune!

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Do you want to go see it?

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Hahaha!

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Should we go

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like, I mean we could probably go tonight.

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Like a midnight show. I don't know if we

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could go tonight. We could go tomorrow afternoon.

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I guess so. But we could go like

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dressed up. I'll dress up as Duncan Idaho.

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I'm not dressed. You don't even know what Duncan Idaho

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looks like. But it's a great name.

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It is a great name.

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Patrick Stewart! It's a book.

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It's open to interpretation. No, Patrick Stewart was

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Gurney Halleck in David Lynch's version.

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Oh okay. Yeah yeah yeah. I knew you were

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going to be mad if I didn't correct myself

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on that one. Someone would have been. Yeah yeah.

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It would have been awful. How about you, Dan?

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What's your bright spot? I bet there is a midnight show we could go to.

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Probably. Let's think about it. Okay.

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Let's go tomorrow. I'm kind of

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going to go to bed now.

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Hahaha!

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My bright spot, Jordan, is

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not a health ranger. Our friend

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was in town. We had a very nice lunch.

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Always nice to see some peeps.

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Oh fantastic.

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And now that I've learned that Dune is

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coming out. Oh.

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This is a bright spot upon a bright

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spot day for you, Dan. Oh yes.

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Can I dress up as Paul Atreides?

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Isn't that the character? Yes, you can!

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You got it right. Thank you. You also could have

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said Muad'Dib. Can I dress up as

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Spice? You could have said

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Usul. Usul would have worked.

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Can I dress up as the sand worm? No,

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actually, that is sacrilegious.

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Oh. Yeah. Shit. Shaitan. Shaitan

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can't mess with Shai

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Halud, my friend. Man, I always blow

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it. I know. It's just terrible.

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I'm excited.

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Me too. I am going to see this movie.

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I haven't felt this way, this

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sort of excited about a movie since

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Mortal Kombat. Yeah.

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And you didn't watch it. Yes I did.

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Oh no, we watched it together.

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That's right.

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But it's not

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real excitement. It's fake

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excitement. Sure. I am pumped

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artificially. Right.

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To see I was for Mortal Kombat.

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I was disappointed. I'm going to

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be disappointed by Dune, but I'm fucking pumped.

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I doubt it. Everything I've heard is that

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this is the Dune movie that you

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Dan, specifically, have

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been waiting for. I've been waiting a while.

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Oh yeah. But we're not going to talk about Dune

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today. I bet people

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wish we were. If only.

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Alright, so as everybody has probably

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figured out by now, this is a

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Jordan episode. Number

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five or six? Well, I think

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it's number six total and five

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that will be released.

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So,

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today,

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it's going to be a little bit of a shorter

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episode, but that is because

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we are talking about

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TikTok.

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And I know that this

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has been something that we

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have probably needed to talk about for a long

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time. Yeah, I've heard some rumbling.

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Yeah, and probably the world needs

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to talk about for a long time, but

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while researching this,

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I realized very quickly why

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nobody does this. And that is

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because it is awful. TikTok

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is the worst place in the world.

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I hate it. But I totally

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get why it's very, very popular. And we are

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going to explore

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all of that stuff. I've never been on it.

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I think I'm too old.

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I've had the same sort of feeling about

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it that I had with Snapchat.

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That is like, nah, it's not for me. Not for me.

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Not for me. I'm too old for this shit. Oh no.

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I was looking through the

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person we're talking about today

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has well over three and a half

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million followers, right?

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And I'm going through this

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with my old ass, just

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looking at these videos, just going

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you know, this

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isn't how you're supposed to do it.

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You know?

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You're supposed to have a

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20 minute episode of a show

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or something, man. Play the

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screenplay. Yeah, years

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ago you would have been the guy who saw the

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early YouTube videos. What is

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this? What is? Come on, man.

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What is it? A minute and a half? Get the fuck

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out of here. Or you're the blogger who's mad at

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Twitter. Micro blogger.

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140 characters? Get

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out of here. Nonsense.

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You need at least a thousand words to

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explain anything. Sure.

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My only exposure to TikTok really is

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my friend Angela Lampsbury.

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She sends me

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from time to time

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fun animal things on TikTok.

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I think there's a robust

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community of animal videos

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that are very cute. From what

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I can see on

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TikTok, there is a robust community

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for everything everywhere

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and no one has any idea about the

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other ones on TikTok. I think

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it's probably one of the more insular

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weird spaces I've ever seen.

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Like a lot of sort of isolated

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bubbles. Yeah, but huge

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isolated bubbles.

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It's bananas. It would be like if

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at the height of

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Carson with

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a hundred million people viewing

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a night or whatever, some

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ridiculous number. If you just met

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people who

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just now started to watch David Letterman

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and never heard of Carson. Just like

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never heard of him. Who are you

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talking about?

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What are you talking about? This is just

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animal videos. Yeah, exactly.

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It's not cancerous nonsense. No, there's

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no way that there would be bullshit on

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here. It's too short.

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Well, I mean, I guess this

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is probably what Vine would have become

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if it had stayed around. Probably.

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Anyways, before

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we talk about TikTok, I think

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it's time for us to say hello to

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some new wonks. That's a great idea.

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Nicely done. See, you came in at the right

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time there. I was holding back.

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First,

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an action lion

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with a commercial driver's license. You

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are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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Lee!

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Just Lee.

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You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy

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wonk. Thank you, Lee.

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Next, we have Joe Foch. You are

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now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. And then there

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is Turd Anderson. That's probably

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a real name. I would hope so.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Can't be an alien. Turd Anderson.

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Probably not. And then finally

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we have a technocrat

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who I assume is

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related. It is

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Poopington Von Poopington.

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You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy

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wonk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew. How's your

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401k doing, bro? We gotta go full

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tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?

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Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money

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off that heroin. Why you pimps so

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good? My neck is freakishly

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large. I declare

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info war on you. Little bit more

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scatological wonk

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names today than normal. I'm not

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thrilled with that. Did you choose them

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specifically? Just like, today's the

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poop day. We're gonna get it out of the way.

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We're gonna get the poop day out. I wish that I had.

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Like, if I just sold you a bill of

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goods. Well,

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it's a Jordan episode, so let's just put all

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the poop wonks on there. That way no one would

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I don't want to have to say them.

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I have

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dignity. Yeah, that's fair.

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That is fair. I do, I did

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come off a little bit like

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Norm Macdonald saying Turd Ferguson there.

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There is that. Today

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Dan, we are going to talk

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about a little

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a little TikToker named

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at TyTheCrazyGuy. Blackjack.

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Oh shit. But not

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it's not all in 2021. Okay. Nice.

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TyTheCrazyGuy? TyTheCrazyGuy.

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Wow, I mean he just puts it right out there.

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Right. Now, I

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there's a huge caveat here

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which is that I do feel like this

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is important to talk about. But

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like most people on TikTok

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we are going to be talking about a child.

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So, it's a

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very thin needle to

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to thread there without just being like

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all kids are stupid. How old a

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person are we talking here? 18. Okay,

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well that's the age of majority

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as they say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, in

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his first video. He can join the

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army. He can be a

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subject of an episode of Knowledge Spike.

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Destroy democracy.

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So, the

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first video this dude put out on TikTok

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I think he was like 16 years

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old and it's essentially all

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what most TikTok videos

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are. It's a very short thing and

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it's got him kind of like dancing and

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mugging to the camera. There's music

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over it and then he just points

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and words appear on the

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picture. I've seen that on Twitter.

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I've seen people repost those

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Yeah. They're like little dance

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and then the captions. Exactly.

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Simple, direct, that's what

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everybody gets. Sure.

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And in his it's basically

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like him saying like

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I want to be TikTok famous. Can we

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make that happen? And then over time

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it appears

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without changing anything

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or doing anything different

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or having any discernible

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thing that would

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make him stand out.

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You know, he just started getting more

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and more popular. People just

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kind of went

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OK. This is what we call the

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secret. Yeah.

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He manifested Twitter or TikTok fame.

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No, he was like, hey I want to be

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TikTok famous and apparently everybody

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on TikTok was like, I guess.

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Sure, why not? Yeah, let's just make this

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guy famous or whatever. That's what he wants.

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So he goes on for a year

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or so putting out these very, very

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simple similar videos.

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He's doing pretty well.

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Every now and again he'll go real

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viral and he'll get like

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200,000 views on one of these.

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You know, something, something crazy

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and it's, again, these are

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all just him like dancing and

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then pointing to words as they appear.

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And it's your basic internet meme

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joke, you know. Very simple

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him being like, when I'm

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in class I feel like

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and then he makes a face and then, you know

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and you get it. Yeah, but what's fascinating

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though is that like I have no idea

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who this person is. Never am.

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You're saying there's millions of followers

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and that's, it's

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so bizarre that those things

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can happen now. You know, like

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we don't have that centralized

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like attention economy.

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Bananas, right? Yeah.

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And again, because

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we're talking about a kid, I don't mean, I'm not

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shitting on his creative output or whatever.

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You know, it's not like I'm

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expecting him to be, have already

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instantly distanced

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himself from his fucking peers

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or whatever, you know. I'm not trying to be an asshole.

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He hasn't changed the form.

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Right, but he really doesn't have

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any like talent. He's just

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very there and

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watchable. And I get it. I get

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what's going on. Now

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all of this is going along

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normally and then he puts out his

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first conspirist tea

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video. Ooh.

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So instead of conspirists

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conspiracy, it's tea

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with T-E-A. So he's drinking

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tea? Yes. Spilling some of it

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probably. You got it. Oh boy. You got it.

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First conspiracy

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I refuse to finish it. Sure.

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Comes out instantly

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instantly right

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up over like 200,000 views.

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Now it's up over like

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a million or two million or whatever

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it is. And here is what

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vaults this kid into popularity.

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The Kardashians are cursed

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by witches? We need to talk about

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this. In 1809, the Kardashians

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great great great great grandmother

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Echo Kardashian had just given birth at 19.

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She wanted the best for her baby girl

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so she went to the local town witches and

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asked for not only her baby but for

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all future female generations of the Kardashians

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that have fame, power, and wealth.

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Now the witches granted this wish but at a

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cost. In order for the Kardashians to keep

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the fame they had been given, they needed to lure

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men into their life so the spirits of past

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witches could steal their energy and happiness.

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So now let's flash forward to these Kardashians

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who by the way got famous out

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of nowhere. In order for the Kardashians

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to keep their fame, they had to lure many men into

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their lives. Which explains the many many

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many exes of the Kardashians.

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Let's look at Scott Jusik. Before

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he met Kourtney, he was a happy successful

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businessman. Pretty soon after they broke up,

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both his parents died, he went to rehab, and he's

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been seen in countless fistfights. Some even say

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that the Kardashians sacrificed their own brother

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to the witches in 2014. This is

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him in the beginning of 2014 and this is him at the

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end. And that's the conspiracy.

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That's quite a bit of tea.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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So he's got the Paul, he's got

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the PJ, Pete Watson

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The editing, the

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jumping around, the fast paced

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frenetic kind of necessary on

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TikTok I would assume. Sure, yeah, yeah

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All really really cut nice and

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quiet, nice and tight. You know

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what I hear when I listen to that

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is like a melding of

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celebrity obsession

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and like fairy

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tales. Yes. That

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is exactly what it is, Dan.

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I will tell you where this conspiracy

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comes from. A fairy tale?

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Well, in 2012

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I believe February

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of 2012, someone named

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Studio Writer

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wrote this for

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Studio No and it's why

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are the Kardashians famous?

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So his whole conspiracy thing

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Well their dad was O.J.'s lawyer

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Right, you would think that, but you're an

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idiot.

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You'd think that, but that's because you're stupid.

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So

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It's the biggest

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case

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thing that changed, like televised

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Wait, who saw that shit?

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Do you think a TikToker

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an 18 year old TikToker is like

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well they became famous because of O.J.

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They don't even know who that guy is!

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Wait, that guy who just

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joined Twitter recently? Exactly

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exactly. So

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this was, this whole

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story is called Why are the

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Kardashians Famous? A Dark

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History Exposed. Oh no. Now

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I'm going to read you some of this

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and you tell me if you

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think it's based in reality or not. Just

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this is how it starts. So the

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Kardashians, their great-grandmother

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went to a

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gingerbread house. Wait

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In 1809

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a dark haired woman strode

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through the deep forests of Armenia

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the rain lashed down through

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the trees, the water making her robes

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heavy and thick, but she was

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determined. This

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is ostensibly

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the very real accounting

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of something that happened

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in 1809. To be fair it sounds legit

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I feel like

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the sourcing on this is probably

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above board.

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Yes. Go on.

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It goes on for quite some time

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after some very breathless

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description of her traveling habits.

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And also like what she's

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experiencing. Like it has to be

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like a first hand. It's a first hand account.

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Yes, this is her diary obviously.

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So Kekl came

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upon a clearing. Gnarled trees

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rose up from the earth like tortured

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hands. Beyond the rough clearing

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beyond the dark earth the mouth

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of a cave gaped like the throat of a

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beast. Within faint traces

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of flame cast shadows in the depths.

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Ghostly tremors of

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light and movement.

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Alright, so this is again

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100% based in reality. I got caught up

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in the visuals of it.

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It's very evocative. Sure.

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Like a fairy tale.

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Yes, almost exactly like a fairy tale.

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And here's how it ends. Which

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may convince you that you might be right.

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So the twist

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on this is that Kekl

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goes to the four witches

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and one of them is named Rumpelstiltskin.

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Close. Very close. She

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asks for, and this is what

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she asks for, I want nothing more

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than fame, fortune,

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and beauty. Right? So

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they give her fame, fortune, and beauty

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but nothing more

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than that. So they don't have talent

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or brains. The whole

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thing is one giant dig.

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It's just an asshole thing to say about

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why the Kardashians are famous. Because

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they're not good.

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Because they made a deal with witches in the 1800s.

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That's the whole thing. It's this

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and because of that. It's a little sexist too.

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No, it's awful.

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It's really awful.

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And this kid has no idea.

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Because that would include Robert Kardashian.

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Right?

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I don't know if...

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That's ludicrous.

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He wasn't that hot.

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Well, I mean, I don't know if that was

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the real takeaway here.

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That's debatable. Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

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Yeah, that's wild.

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Someone just wrote this bizarre fan fiction

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that was basically just a slam

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back in 2012 and now

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this person on TikTok is

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bringing it out as a spill in the

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tea about a conspiracy about these

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famous people. You got it. Man.

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Isn't that nuts? I guess.

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Yeah, it's sad.

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It's really sad.

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Because a million people have watched

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it and you've got to assume a couple of

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them at least were like, wow, that's interesting.

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Right. And

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here's the other thing.

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When we talk about

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talking about some of

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these people who you don't know if they're

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trying to be funny or not.

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That kind of thing where it's like, I can see

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them conceivably being

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hidden behind that wall of, well,

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I'm joking. That kind of thing.

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This kid

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exists where there is

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no

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distance between them.

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There's never any distance between a joke

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and reality. There's no distance

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between fantasy and reality. It's all

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the same thing. So

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he doesn't believe this.

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But at the same time, he does believe it.

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But at the same time, he doesn't believe

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this. This is insane. But

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I kind of believe it.

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Because it does explain some things.

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No, I don't believe it.

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That's the whole thing. But what if?

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Exactly. It is not

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a problem for me. Like, whenever

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I go through these things, the problem

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isn't so much what information

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or what conspiracy theories he's

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disseminated. It is

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that he has removed the line

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between fantasy and reality.

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Right. It's almost like

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the content is what it is.

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But the presentation of it

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is really

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damaging. Because

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if you accept that kind of

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way to take in information,

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what else are you going

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to be susceptible to?

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Totally. And because it's

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so short, you watch it

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and it disappears. And you don't

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even think about it again. But it's up there somewhere.

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Sure. You know? The whole

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time I was thinking of, if you

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recall, we had an interaction

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one time where I told you

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that I didn't want to drink the beer

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because the temperature had changed.

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And that was a thing that I'd always been told

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that was real. And you very correctly

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pointed out that that is an incredibly insane

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thing to think. That's stupid.

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And it's ridiculous.

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Yeah, like beers are

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stored at room

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temperature. What was I thinking?

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You know? But it's one of those unexamined

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little things that was popped into my head

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at some point and I never thought about

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until it just pops out. We all have

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those things and you're never really able to

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confront them

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until you're aware of them. Exactly.

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So these things just pop in

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and out. And then here's

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his next

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conspirates tea. Another glass

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of tea? Oh yeah. The Titanic

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never actually sank. We need

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to talk about this. So the company that

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owned the Titanic also had a lot of other

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boats. One of which was the Olympic.

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Now the Olympic had just come back from a huge

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journey and had a lot of damage

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on it. So much that it really wasn't ever

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safe for it to go out again. So the theory

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goes that the company switched the Olympic with

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the Titanic so the Olympic could go out

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and purposely crash. And once it crashed

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they would make that bank from the insurance

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money. It sounds crazy but look at

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the proof. First off the Olympic had

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16 portholes and the Titanic had

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14. However when you look at this picture

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of the alleged Titanic it has 16

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portholes. Now a few years ago

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photos of the Titanic from the bottom of the

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ocean surfaced. One of them caught the

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logo of the Titanic but it said

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MP which is literally a part of

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Olympic. If that didn't convince you

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just wait. This is James Fenton who worked on

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the Titanic and he was one of the few survivors.

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On his deathbed he confessed

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that he knew that they swapped the Titanic with the

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Olympic but the government bribed him not to say anything.

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And that's the conspiracy.

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I don't like the

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we need to talk about this. He says it

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every single time. I got that. I got that it was a

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catch phrase. Oh yeah. I find that annoying.

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I hated it. This is why

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I told you this is the worst thing

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I watched. How many of those?

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And I heard him say that again and again and

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again. Yeah and this

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one is less like

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fairy tale. This is something that

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you do here in

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conspiracy circles. Totally. This is

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something that

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I know that we've even talked about

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by virtue of

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I think it was a Bill Cooper episode.

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And I know that Alex believes

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that the Titanic was a

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conspiracy. He has brought that up.

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Yeah that is

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this is where that connective tissue

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comes from. Yeah that's the thing.

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You start to see him

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because the first

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conspiracy video

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gets so many fucking likes

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he is incentivized to keep

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going. So all of a sudden

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in very short time he goes from

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oh isn't it funny the Kardashians are

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witches to like now I'm

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getting into those fringe

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conspiracy theories and not the

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I read on a message board

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kind of stuff. And he didn't even have the

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class to pronounce it witches.

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Yeah I know I was a little disappointed by that.

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But I mean obviously

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this one's very easy

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to debunk. It's very easy.

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Alright. The insurance

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wouldn't have covered the cost

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of the Titanic.

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So the end.

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As

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Jay Kent Layton wrote a book

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on all the Titanic conspiracy

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theories and his

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quote which I enjoy

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the whole Switch conspiracy founders

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quite literally on its

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financial merits alone.

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Which is a nice little

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good little pun. He's got a nice

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little yeah it's good stuff.

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I mean like the

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issue is

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what is even the conspiracy

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based on what he's saying? Like they sunk it

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intentionally? Yeah for the insurance money.

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Okay. So all the people still

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died on it and everything.

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Well they switched the boats

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because the Titanic

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couldn't have actually sunk.

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Well the Titanic couldn't have actually sailed.

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It's un-sinkable. No it couldn't sail

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because it was too it was already

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busted. Sure. So they didn't want the Titanic

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because it's the most

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un-sinkable ship ever to go out

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and sink. So they switched it with

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another boat in order

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to recoup. To save face.

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In order to recoup the insurance losses

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on the Titanic.

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Okay. And none

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of it none of it makes any sense. Cool.

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And it wouldn't cover it. Right. Like just

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from a business standpoint. Yeah.

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Insurance folks are very

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not interested in paying out

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when they don't have to. Yes.

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Very much so. That's their whole business.

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Especially and not just that but

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again the money wouldn't they would have lost

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money switching these things. Yeah.

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What is it what that's like

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somebody's like hey I bet

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I bet for about a hundred

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grand I could make a Titanic disappear.

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Like there's no other there's no other

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explanation for that. Nuts. And it's

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and but but the thing about that is

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that with this TikTok video it's

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30 seconds and it you can go

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look into it in 30 seconds

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and it'll all be gone. It'll be equaled

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out. But that's not how TikTok

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works. No. TikTok doesn't work where

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you watch a video and then you open a

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new tab and look

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into it. Let me see about this. It just

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keeps playing. Sure. They just keep playing

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and more and more goes and more

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and more builds up. So this was nothing.

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I heard it. I Googled

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did they switch the Titanic

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and it was immediately like no

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idiot. That was what Google said.

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Mm hmm. And then

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here we go. Another one.

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The birds in the sky are actually

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surveillance cameras from the CIA.

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We need to talk about this. So in

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1953 Allen Dulles took over the

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CIA. His main goal was that he wanted

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to damp up the surveillance by a lot.

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In 1956 his plan was to

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wipe out all the birds and replace them

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with fake birds. Birds that would be watching

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our every damn move. Between

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1951 and 1979

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the CIA killed over 12 billion

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birds. And here's how. So for two

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years the CIA designed this very interesting

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airplane. The bottoms of each of these

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planes gave out 450 gallons

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of bird poison. Now this poison was very

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unique because it gave each bird an asymptomatic

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disease and after 24 hours they

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would die. Meaning there was enough time for each

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bird to spread the disease multiple times.

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Which is why in two years almost all of the

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birds were dead. Now president JFK

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tapped into one adults phone and this is actually

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what he heard. Quote we've killed

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about 220 million so far

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and the best thing is the robot birds we've

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released have done such a good job that no one

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suspects a thing. And that is the

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conspiracy. Wow.

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Yeah. Shocking if true. Yeah.

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I mean this is just basically like a t-shirt

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sales scam.

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Yep. This was just like a viral

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marketing thing.

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Not even like.

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Yep it's real bad.

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And somehow also he

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like he's getting the

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details of the conspiracy theory

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wrong. Right. And he said quote.

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Yeah exactly.

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Exactly. We've got robot birds.

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Now the story

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actually goes in the

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or the most common one in

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our birds real conspiracy

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world. Which again

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was rooted in just like

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like a

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bumper sticker

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poster t-shirt scam.

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Yep.

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Theory is Allen

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Dulles you know

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a guy who needs fake

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conspiracy theories about him. He's somebody

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who's good to attach things to. Yeah.

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Makes things believable. Boy

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his evil real ones

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kind of yeah. Yeah.

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So he's like

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we gotta watch everybody

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and the story

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is because he's

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replaced these B bombers

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B-52 bombers

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and taken them from having all

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these bombs to having

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450 gallon

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450 gallon

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tanks in there.

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They were like I don't know why that happened.

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And then some fake scientists

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from fake area 51 were like

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oh we know why that happened. Birds.

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Sure. And then the theoretical

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quote

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theoretical quote

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was from. Wait wait that's

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Jefferson actually right? Yeah

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it was not Kennedy. No it was Thomas Jefferson.

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It was Thomas Jefferson yeah. Talking about robot birds.

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The first head of the CIA

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reanimated Thomas Jefferson.

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It was

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theoretically Alvin B. Cleaver

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the internal communications

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director. His phone was tapped

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and this article

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was far more measured.

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Cleaver is believed to have

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said quote

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Ah.

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We've

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killed about 1.1 billion

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so far and the best thing is

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the robot birds we've released

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in their place have done such a good job

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that nobody even suspects

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a thing. Dun dun dun. Doesn't that

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just seem so real?

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Um very very real.

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Yeah yeah yeah absolutely. I think there's

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some technological

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hurdles that

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don't make sense especially

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considering that this would have been in the 60s.

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Right. The sort

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of robot technology that we

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would have had access to at that point

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probably not that great.

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One of the things that people don't take into

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consideration a lot of the time with

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robotics is not so good

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outside. No no no I mean

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when it rains. That's a problem.

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And the birds are real high in the sky.

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They're way up there. There's lightning. Sure.

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They could fall out at any moment in time.

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Here's the other thing. You know

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they live outside.

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It'd be a bad place for a robot

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to live. Now here's the thing

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about this kid that I do find

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truly dangerous.

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Like this is something that is

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and it's really indicative on this clip

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specifically. Alright. In the

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actual conspiracy theory

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you know all the

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birds died. Right. And he said

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he wiped out birds gave them

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a disease and then they would die

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in 24 hours. In the real

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conspiracy theory their

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bones melted within 24

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hours. Whoa. Their bones

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dissolved. Now when you have that as

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part of the story you're like so you're

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telling me that in 1953

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Allen Dulles had bone melting

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technology and all he did

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was use it on the birds? To be fair

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it only worked on birds because they have

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hollow bones. Yeah there we go.

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They have weak bones.

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Yeah. So if you

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leave that part out and you just have

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oh they all died then you

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can make up any number of reasons. Sure.

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They've got a disease they've got a thing

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they've got a thing. In the actual

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story as it's told their bones

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melt. Sure. You know. And I

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think that the other thing that's a disservice

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or that's kind of dangerous about this

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sort of information

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dissemination

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scheme is that

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you know in this case in particular

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like Allen Dulles is somebody who like

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there's real things to

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look at. Oh he's truly one of the most

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evil dudes you could look into. But those

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things that are real are not as

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fun as he killed the birds

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to watch you. You know it's not as

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fun as that and I think that

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you know hijacking the attention

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in that direction does a disservice

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to like real world issues. One hundred

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percent. Yeah. And it only gets people

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to look more at this kid.

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Well he wants to be TikTok famous.

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Yeah and he's done it.

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You know it's such a weird thing for

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him to have completely succeeded at.

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And then here we go.

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This is what I want to

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this is almost like a rapid fire

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kind of situation here. So

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this next one is

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so incredibly

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stupid. Okay.

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Just let me. I'm pumped. This is how

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you can tell if the FBI has tapped into

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your phone and is watching you.

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We need to talk about this. So basically

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you're going to want to dial this number into your phone

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app. If you dial it and get this

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message like me that means that you have

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not been tapped and your phone is normal.

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However if it actually dials or goes

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to voicemail that means that the FBI might be

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tapping into your phone and watching your

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every damn move. Stay safe

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y'all and that is the conspiracy tea.

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That actually sounds dangerous.

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Yeah. Like that could have been a phishing

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kind of thing. Totally.

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No and there's no

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explanation. It's just him just being

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like hey text this into your phone

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right now to see if the FBI is tapping you.

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To confirm whether or not you're in danger.

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Totally. That

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might as well have been him being like there's

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hot singles in your area. It's the same

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fucking thing. Yeah. It's just

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an instant like oh yeah

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and if you watch him

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why not do it? Yeah it couldn't hurt.

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Right? You think. Totally.

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Totally. I would like to know if the FBI is watching you.

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I would like to know if the FBI is watching you.

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They're not going to open up a tech magazine

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how to geek

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and be like oh okay

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that's just the interrogation

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code that says

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if your call forwarding is on or

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off. That's what the number

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is? That's the whole thing. Well at least it's benign.

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Yeah it's super benign. At least

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it's not something where like

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you could have somebody collecting

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your phone number or

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Luckily it's benign

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but this is out of

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control. There's almost I can't

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I don't know what would be stopping

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somebody from not having that

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number just be something that's

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not benign. Yeah why not? Something that's

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malicious. And it doesn't matter

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if it's obvious

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or not or if you're somebody who's

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smart enough not to if there's a

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million and a half views on his

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TikTok with him saying

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put this into your phone right now

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a lot of people are going to do it. Or even

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like it could be someone's

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phone number. It could be a tool of targeted

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harassment. Yeah totally.

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There's so many ways that this

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type of shit can be abused and it's in the

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hands of an 18 year old fucking kid

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you know? Who has a lot of team.

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Exactly. Spill. And we need to talk

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about that.

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Sorry.

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So then

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we go into this

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is like

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I kind of want to play these

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really really close to each other so we'll kind of

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talk a little bit in between each one. The next

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two? Yeah the next three. Okay.

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The government is controlling us through our

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water. We need to talk about this.

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Okay so today's theory starts in the

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1940s when the government started randomly

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adding fluoride to tap water throughout the

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country saying that it was making people's teeth

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whiter. Now people started protesting

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saying that they wanted more information that this

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was infringing on their rights that they wanted to drink

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just normal tap water but the government never

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responded. And to this day around 75%

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of tap water throughout the nation

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has fluoride in it. Here's where the theory

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starts. So if you look up fluoride in

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IQ on Google there are thousands of

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research studies basically proving that

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fluoride has a negative impact on your IQ.

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Basically it's pretty much scientifically

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proven that drinking fluoride makes you dumber.

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So the theory goes that the government started getting

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very scared of the rapid intelligence

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gain in humans that they ended up dumbing

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everyone down through the tap water. That way

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they wouldn't get overthrown and they would always be

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above their people. I mean think about it we

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depend on tap water so if the government

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puts something in it like fluoride we can't just

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stop drinking it. Let me know what y'all think and

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as always that is today's conspiracy.

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Thank you for watching.

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Now a lot of the ideas

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if accepted by the audience

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would lead someone closer and closer

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to right wing

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territory. Totally. And now

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play the next clip. Okay. You got it.

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Thank you. This is the dark truth of

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how Halloween started. We need to talk

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about this. Okay so the origins of

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Halloween can be dated back to over 2000

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years ago in the Celtic Samhain Festival.

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Now originally this festival was at the end

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of the summer but Pope Gregory IV

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switched it to October 31st for unknown

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reasons. Now let's just say this festival

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day was scary. Now according to Celtic

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mythology the day of the festival aka

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Halloween is the one day a year

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the passage between the overworld and our world

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disappears. Basically spirits and

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souls come back to earth on

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Halloween. Now on this day the dead could

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swap their soul for years so that they could return

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to earth and you would be sent to the overworld.

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It was said that in order to keep your soul you had to give

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away food to the poor so peasants would come to

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people's houses and get free food. And over

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the years that's evolved into trick or treating now

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with kids. Now peasants weren't able to give food

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so they did something else to keep themselves safe.

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What they would do is they would dress up as dead people

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or people from the overworld so they wouldn't be targeted

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by the actual people looking for souls.

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And that's where the idea of dressing up in costumes

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for Halloween came from. And that's today's

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conspiracy.

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Celtic Samhain festival

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and the Pope kind of co-opted it

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to yeah all of this kind of

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tracks. Kind of. Kind of.

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Yeah. If you look into it

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then you would look into it and you'd be like

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he got more or less kind of what people

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would say is the... In that case

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I better fucking call that number. Yeah.

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You know like he's checked out. Exactly.

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Exactly. I fact checked this one

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he's right about this. The conspiracy

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episode is not a conspiracy

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it is not dark it's not a

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it's just a thing. You know he's just

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telling you a fact basically.

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Or at least like a factual

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hypothesis. Yes. Well yeah exactly.

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Which is fine. And he just

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mixes that in there with the rest of

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the bullshit. Yeah. And it doesn't matter.

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There's no difference between them.

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Nope. And it keeps

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fucking going and this is the

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thing about it. It is not

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done.

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It is accelerating. Sure. And it's

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going through. Well listen

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to the clip. This crazy Illuminati

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game from the 90s might have predicted the future.

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We need to talk about this. Okay

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so in 1995 the supposed

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Illuminati came out with a card game called

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New World's Order. It was basically just a

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chain of cards that was said to predict the future.

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Now of course at the time no one believed

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it because it was from the Illuminati but looking

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at it now. That's one.

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The card game had hundreds of cards

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that were meant for a specific order but this specific

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chain of nine cards is so

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accurate it's crazy. The first one

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is rewriting history. The second is terrorist

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nuke and the third is pentagon.

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In the second row which is basically now we

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have population reduction, center

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for disease control and epidemic and

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literally the word quarantine in

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it. And if we're following this very accurate

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timeline that means that the last three is what's

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going to happen in the near future. And it says

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there's going to be combined disasters

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kill for peace and tape runs out.

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Like is this a war? It seems

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like there's going to be rebellion against the police

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system which is already starting. And I don't even know

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what this last one means. And that's y'all's

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today's conspiracy.

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Fun fact. Right behind you

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is a bunch of the Illuminati card

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game on my wall. There is no way

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I couldn't. I listened to that when I was like

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well we're putting this in there because every day

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Illuminati cards are behind me.

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Yeah and I mean like if you just look

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behind your head there's the

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frog god. Sure.

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There's also Bigfoot and

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vampires. You know they talked about the center

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for disease control but they don't talk about the center

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for weird studies. Sure.

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Or the hammer of Thor. Yeah.

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There's a lot of like

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there's a lot of stuff that's conveniently

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ignored when people talk about the

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I mean they they he did bring up

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the fiendish floridators already.

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Sure. That's definitely there. Uh huh.

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Yeah. The clone arrangers.

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Uh huh. The Fred Burch society.

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Dinosaur park. Yeah. Of course.

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Yeah exactly.

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Very very

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nice way to get around copyright.

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Right. Yeah it's real nice.

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And then of course Godzilla

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I can't read Atomic Monster

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is that right? Yeah. Right next to

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Dinosaur Park. You got it.

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Yeah. Yeah fun.

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So that's the thing about

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this one. The thing

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that I kept thinking about whenever we're going

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through this clip is like

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he is kind of

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almost systematically scouring

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the internet for

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newer conspiracy theories

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but they're all the same old ones.

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So it's almost like he's

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creating this like

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crunched up version of

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the past 30 years of conspiracies

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all in this easily

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digestible 30 second format

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for people who are unsuspecting

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to listen to. And it's the same shit

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it's Illuminati card game shit again.

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You know? And you kind of have

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to assume that like if the

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workflow is basically

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he's got to find

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he's incentivized to find new things

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to spill the tea about as it were

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eventually

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you're going to end up in

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Holocaust denial. Yeah exactly!

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Exactly! Eventually you're gonna

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run out of things that are

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interesting in quotes to your audience

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and you're going to find

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way more fucked up conspiracy stuff.

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You're gonna go from innocuous look at the

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Illuminati card game to the Illuminati

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drink children's blood. Right.

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I do love though

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there's something really hilarious about

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like the Illuminati put out this

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card game and

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no one believed it because

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it was the Illuminati. Because it was the

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Illuminati that put it out. Right right.

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Because whenever like the Illuminati

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is like they have a press release like shut

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up Illuminati. Again

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with the Illuminati! They won't stop

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releasing card games! Yeah they're

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notoriously unreliable as a source.

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That's great.

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Yeah I mean it's it's bananas.

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And then

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you know he he's also

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kind of I'm gonna skip the

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well okay let's play the

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next clip. Okay. I'll play that one real

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quick. The news doesn't want us to know that

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they might have found aliens on Earth.

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We need to talk about this. Okay so

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just three days ago they found this huge

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metal rectangular monolith in the

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middle of Utah. And when I say huge

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I mean this thing is just like

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in Utah. And when I say huge I mean this

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thing is gigantic and no one saw

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it. It just randomly appeared one day.

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Now a lot of people think that this might be some

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extraterrestrial life telling us that they're

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on Earth and here's why. So in the

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2001 Space Odyssey movie when the characters

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find a metal monolith like this

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just like the one in Utah they find

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out that it was built by extraterrestrial

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species. So many think that there might be a

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species from another planet on Earth playing a

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little mind game with us by installing that

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big metal monolith in Utah.

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I cannot forget that a few months ago the Pentagon

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released footage of what they thought were possible

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UFO sightings and no one really talked

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about it. Things like this and this

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and they didn't want to release

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these. The only reason they released this footage

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is because information was getting leaked

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from the inside and they didn't want people getting

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concerned. The media is trying to hide it

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and that is today's conspiracy.

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I can't wait for him to find out that

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they used real dinosaurs in

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dinosaur park. I know that's

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the whole thing. Yep.

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I was looking into this one

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and this one was interesting to me because

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I do remember

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the monolith.

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They did discover a monolith in Utah

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and it was the talk of the internet

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for the day. Sure. It was

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one of those things.

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Reddit user TimSlane

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pinpointed the coordinates so the

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park people didn't tell

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anybody where it was. Rightly

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thinking crazy people would just show up

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nonstop. Right? And then

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fuck over native indigenous

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population. Sure. Or protected

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land. Right. So what they

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of course forgot was that the internet is

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going to find it. It's just going to happen.

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Well because they've got the robot birds.

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Exactly. They can just tap into anything.

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And you know the thing

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that he used, he didn't use robot

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birds which was interesting. He used

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Google Earth. It turns out you don't

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need robot birds. But you know how we developed

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Google Earth. Robot birds? You bet.

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There we go.

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So he uses

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historical imaging from Google Earth.

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He triangulates where it is

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and then they figure out when

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it was placed in there.

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Somewhere between August 2015 and

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October 2016. Alright.

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Not entirely sure when it happens.

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Probably part of the Trump campaign.

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Well roughly around that

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time the epic sci-fi drama

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Westworld was filming in a nearby

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location. So the best bet

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at the moment is that someone on the crew

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didn't pack up properly or

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maybe even used the metal slab to play a

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long term Kubrick inspired prank

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in the world. That's from CNET.

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That's interesting. Yeah. So it's been

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used, the location that they're specifically

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talking about has been used as a filming location

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for the longest time.

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For tons of sci-fi

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shows. Classic westerns

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going all the way back. So yeah.

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It is not a super huge

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terrifying conspiracy theory. Certainly not.

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No. And those

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government videos of the UFOs

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are pretty much bullshit. So everybody

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kind of figured that one out quick. But again too

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I think you have the same thing that we see

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in Alex so often of the

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melding of fantasy and reality.

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Like movies. Movies. Movies

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being treated as if they were

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real. Yep. And that's

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so fascinating that that's just such a

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ubiquitous thing. Yeah the blending

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the inability to tell the difference

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is really

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kind of

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fucked up. But the ability

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to mix them together

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is terrifying.

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You know. The ability to remove

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from others how to

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differentiate. Essentially the unwillingness

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to treat things

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as they are. Yeah. Yeah.

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Absolutely. To draw the line.

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Now the other thing that he does is

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you know he's done a ton of

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videos on the Mandela

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Effect. Sure. That whole thing.

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That one's fun. Yeah. I mean

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it's very annoying. But this one I

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did find interesting. Okay.

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Go ahead and play this one.

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1201 this year. Not midnight.

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This is the first time ever that the ball drop has

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been off. People think it's because we're transporting

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from one dimension to the other and it messed up the

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time. Speaking of time technology still

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thinks that we're in 2020 for some reason.

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And people are finding that old Mandela Effects

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are going back to normal. For example

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there used to be a huge Mandela Effect that everyone thought

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Froot Loops spelled fruit with two O's but it was

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actually spelled as fruit. But now all of a sudden

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it's back how we remembered it with two O's.

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But y'all I literally used to be obsessed with Mandela Effects

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and I wrote them down in 2017 and it says

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Froot Loops was actually Froot Loops!

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Wow. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Here's why this is interesting to me.

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That... I'm sorry.

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No no no please. That was one of

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the ones that felt more clear

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that he's fucking around. Yeah.

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Like it's... that to me

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is like okay you're taking this seriously

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he's not even taking this

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seriously. Exactly. That to me

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is a bummer.

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Here's the other thing about that though.

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Is that he is taking it

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in a very weird half

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serious way. He's mocking the idea

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that we are in an alternate

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direct dimension or whatever. But maybe we are.

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He's making fun of that. What he is

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actually like serious

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about though is Mandela

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Effect shit. Like he believes

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that shit. Well he said he was obsessed

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with it. Yeah. So the Froot Loops stuff

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is something

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that he believes

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but the alternate dimension stuff is something that

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he's obviously joking about. Yeah.

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So somehow they're both in the

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same 30 fucking seconds.

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You can... you can...

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you have a limited amount of time

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and you have to deal with

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stuff exactly the same

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that you care about and that is

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a joke. Yes. That's

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disorienting. It really fucked my

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head up watching all these videos.

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And the thing that made me interested in this is

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I was like there's definitely

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an explanation for this Froot Loops shit.

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Why are people losing their minds

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over this? There generally is for

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Mandela Effect stuff. Always. Always.

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And I mean I looked

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into it and Froot Loops was originally

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called Froot Loops.

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Spelled like fruit. Right. In

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1959.

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Now before they

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could continue with that

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there was a lawsuit from

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Paxton who was

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like hey there's no

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fucking fruit in this. You can't call it

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Froot Loops. You'll make people

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think there's fruit in it. Right. Right.

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So they had to change to the two O's.

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Make sense. Yeah. That's it.

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It's always been that way since 1959.

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Or... or

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we live in an alternate dimension.

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Yeah well we lived in an alternate dimension

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for a year. And now we're back to the normal one.

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Right. I mean well you know you thought

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Covid was what... but it was in a different

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dimension. Sure. That was the whole thing.

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Yep. I was interested to

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find out where Froot Loops came

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from. Yeah yeah I think that if you

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take the time almost every one

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of those like weird

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Mandela effect things

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is very explainable. Although

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it does sort of

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exploit something that is

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really universal. It's like wait a

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second. I thought

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this happened.

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That can be a powerful

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feeling that you can manipulate

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people with. Especially if you put it in the

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same videos as other stuff

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that's complete bullshit. Yeah.

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You are giving people this feeling

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of like you're right that's not what

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I thought it was. Wait I thought it

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was Berenstain Bears.

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So now I'm in this state of like

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now I don't know what things

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used to be. Sure and you end up

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entering a space where you

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distrust your own perceptions.

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And that's dangerous.

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Oh yeah. Yep.

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Yep. I would... well

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the last clip is we don't need to

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we don't need to do that one again. Essentially

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the clip is just him saying like

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is Mars getting less

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red? And then conspiracy

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theories for why we don't see it

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it's not as red as it is. Sure. And the

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obvious answer to that is

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it's not red. It never was.

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Oh shit. It's never red. Oh shit. And then

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and then he goes on to say did you

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know right

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that humans used to live on Mars?

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Well yeah. And then they took all the

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resources and moved to Earth.

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Sure. Right. And then

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what they're going to do is they're going to take all

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the resources from Earth and move

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back to Mars. Totally makes sense. They're just

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going back and forth. You see what I'm saying?

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That is essentially the

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plot of Mission to Mars

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starring Gary Sinise.

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It is again movies

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confused with real life over and

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over and over again. Yep.

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Now the thing that gets me

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about this kid and again

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it's a child.

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I'm not going to be like

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or anything along those lines.

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But with these videos so often

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the caption is like

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this is just a theory. Please no one

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come after me. I am in no

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way claiming this is real. Just a

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theory. I don't want anyone coming after me.

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This level of like

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I'm going to say my bullshit

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and I'm going to give myself

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this distance of like I don't

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have to

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account for any of this shit.

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Don't come after me. I'm just

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taking other people's ideas

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repackaging them for you and you're somehow

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calling me a member of this problem?

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I'm taking these ideas

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that are patently ludicrous

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and doing no due diligence

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in terms of

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disseminating them with

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the caveat

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that like okay here's why this isn't true.

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Some people believe this and it's fascinating

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that some people believe this but

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here is the reality.

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Instead I'm just going to

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funnel it to you with a wink

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and like maybe it's real.

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I shouldn't be held responsible

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for that. And at the same time I'm going to put

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stuff that is just regular old

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mainstream information

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out there. Just regular stuff.

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And I'm just going to mix those all together and

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I'm not going to take responsibility for a single thing

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about it. This is the

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thing. Andrea

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Marks wrote a Rolling Stone article

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about

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TikTok and how it's going

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insane. So she

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talked to Ty and

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he said, I've always from a young

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age been really obsessed with the what ifs

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and things that don't seem like reality.

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For example the wholly unsubstantiated

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theory that Wayfair traffics children

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one that was circulated wildly

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in QAnon

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is something that Ty read about.

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This is Andrea saying this.

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Ty read about that and it

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genuinely troubled him.

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I came across

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an article about it that made me concerned

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so I thought posting it would spread that.

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Adding that he had not realized the

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theory is popular among QAnon

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who believe a satanic pedophile

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cult is. And then he just says

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I didn't even know it's like a very

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right wing theory if I'm being honest.

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And that is such

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the most chilling shit

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to hear from a person

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with 10 million views on a

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conspiracy video.

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Because it seems

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like a point that I think

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should be made is like it's less about him

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and it's more about

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this

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information dissemination

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technique and strategy

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that is being

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used quite effectively on TikTok.

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Totally.

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You do end up like

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whoops I accidentally

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did a blood libel.

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Yeah exactly! Yes 100%

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I wasn't even

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trying to. And I believe

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that he probably wasn't trying to. Totally.

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But the effect that it can have

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is equivalent if he did mean

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to. And people should be

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more careful. Yeah I was trying

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to come up with like a

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conclusion like a summary of what

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does this mean

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and what should we take away

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from it. And I mean

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he's an 18 year old kid. He started this

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when he was 16. All he wants to do is be

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famous on TikTok and he did it.

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Good for him. He found

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the way that destroys the world

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to become famous on TikTok.

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To spread bullshit conspiracy theories

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and get famous for it.

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And again it's not like his fault

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he's not maliciously doing anything.

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He's not writing or faking

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or making up bullshit.

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He's just repackaging it.

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It's not

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like a negative thing he's doing.

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It's the absence of

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the positive element that he needs

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to do. Exactly. It's a

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crime of omission. Yeah. Essentially.

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And the more I kept going the more

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maybe there's something about the internet

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you know like maybe we should

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have a license like we do for cars.

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You know like something along those lines.

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And the more I thought about it the more I've

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just come to the kind of conclusion that

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I don't think humanity can

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engage with the internet responsibly.

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As a whole. And I don't

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think it's just I don't think it's possible.

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I wonder about that myself like

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I think early on when you were doing this

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podcast like my prescription for everything

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was just like education. Yeah.

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And I think that that is still definitely

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something that's very important. Hugely important.

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But I don't know if that's

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necessarily the full deficiency.

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It's our brains

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you know we've had

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thousands of years of development

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and the introduction

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of the internet and the way that information

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can be spread is so

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new. And so fast.

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Right. And we may not have

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caught up to it. We're not maybe

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able to

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and maybe we will be better eventually

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but yeah. I don't know. See that's the

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that's why I felt like

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it was really important to go to TikTok

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and see what the kids are

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cause to a certain extent Alex

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what are the kids doing? No I know but

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Alex started when he was 19 or 20.

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He didn't start when he was

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25. Right.

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Like it starts somewhere.

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Right and he started in what

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would be the accessible medium

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of the time which was local access

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TV. Exactly. You know

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there's the you do

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what you can and back

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then where could you

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get a platform?

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The internet didn't exist.

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The gatekeepers of a broadcast

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television wouldn't allow you on. Sure.

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So? You gotta go to local access.

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Now you have TikTok. You have

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so many internet

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platforms where you can build your own

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thing. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah and I just I just feel like

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what I'm watching when I see this

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this kid is the

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ultimate reality that the internet

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and the real world cannot

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coexist. Hmm. Because

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he's trying to make them coexist.

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He's trying to exist both in fantasy

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and reality simultaneously

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and have it not be harmful to anyone.

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You know and you just can't.

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You just can't. Hmm. You know like I don't

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I think he

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shouldn't do this.

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I don't think he should be

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stopped. I don't know if I

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shouldn't allow you know if somebody shouldn't

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allow him to do this but I don't

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think he I think if he was a

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thoughtful person he

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could really get through it because he's not an

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insane you know

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far right nut job kind of

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guy. That doesn't seem likely. No if he like

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really just educated himself I think

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he would himself come to the conclusion

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what I'm doing is bad.

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Yeah I think that

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yeah it's I don't understand

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I can't even conceive

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of how you would set up a system where people

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are not allowed to. Yeah exactly.

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That seems like it would get off track pretty

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quickly. Right. But yeah I think

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we need to do

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a better job of

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helping people recognize

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actually what they're doing.

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Yes. Yes you are making a choice to

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do something and you think the choice you're

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making is to do this.

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You might think that this is neutral.

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Right. And it's actually bad. Yes.

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You don't realize and

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it's not your fault it's that you're

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18 years old what do you know about

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fucking theory you know like

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how would you be like oh well

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H.L. Mencken said you know like what are you talking

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about. Yeah. You know. Maybe some of that does

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dovetail back to education.

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Yeah. But it's really weird.

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So yes we have gone to

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the land of TikTok and

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it is terrifying.

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Except for the parts where they're cute

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animals. They're cute animals everywhere.

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It's great. That part is just

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fine. Fantastic. Yeah you keep that up.

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Keep it up TikTok.

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I'm not making an episode about somebody

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posting the cute little horse

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and the cat that get along come on.

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It's so fun. It's the best.

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Yeah I appreciate you bringing this to

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the our attention.

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You know like it's definitely a

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space that I

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ignore but it's not irrelevant

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to everybody. No I mean I think it's

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hugely relevant and I think it's very

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impenetrable for

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the rest of society honestly.

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Like I you know you

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you don't see people

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writing too much about

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TikTok just because you don't

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I don't even know how. Like I didn't even

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know how to put this episode together because it's like

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oh well what are we going to talk about 30 seconds.

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Right. You know it's very difficult

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to kind of get a handle on it.

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Yeah yeah. Yeah.

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So here we are. Well thank you Jordan.

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Thank you Dan for letting me do this.

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I appreciate

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you stepping in and

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taking a swing.

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But yeah we'll be back on Monday.

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Indeed we will Dan.

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Until then I'm pretty sure we have

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a website. That's I've heard tale

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of that. Uh huh. It's Acknowledgefight.com

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1809. Right.

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Kekel Kardashian. Right.

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Made a deal with a witch

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in order to get us a website and it's

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Acknowledgefight.com. And Squarespace.

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We are

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also on Twitter. Right. We are

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at birds

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are robots. Are robots. And

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at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.

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Indeed. Until

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then I am neither Leo

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Neo

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DZX Clark. I'm

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just none of those people. And now

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here comes the sex robot.

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Cindy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge

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fan. I love your work. I love you.