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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight, knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight.

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight, need money, Andy in Kansas, stop it, Andy in Kansas, it's

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time to pray.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work, knowledgefight.com,

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're a couple of dudes

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like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a

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little bit about Alex Jones, oh indeed we are Dan, shit, ah come on, I wasn't going

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to talk about it, you added it, you barely added a little thing, we were going to just

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ride it on through, old habits, old habits, die hard, what are you going to do Dan, I

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don't know, I have a question for you, okay, I'll do that, I'll answer that question,

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what's your bright spot today, my bright spot today Jordan, I mentioned this to you, I decided

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that I was going to give Assassin's Creed Valhalla another chance, I mentioned on the

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show that I started playing it and I was enjoying it enough and then I just sort of lost interest,

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and I did not make it very far into it, and you were telling me that there's this new

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Ireland DLC, and so I decided I'll give this a shot, and you buried the lead, holy shit,

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I went to Ireland, and almost immediately, instead of a horse, you now can ride a giant

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cat around, I know, so my bright spot is now I'm riding around on a giant cat, I was hoping

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you would discover it on your own, because I knew you were going to blow your mind, it's

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the best, I have a giant cat that I'm riding around like a horse, and I couldn't be happier,

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that's all you need, that's all you need, that's all you've ever dreamed of, that's

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all you, yeah, no, absolutely, now the game is back in my good graces, and I will probably

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finish it, because I have a giant cat friend, that is why I have tried to throw as many

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pets at you in the other show we do, so that is nice, I like that, yeah, what about you?

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My bright spot, Dan, as you may know, or probably don't, the French Open is going on right now,

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oh no, and while you are listening to this, there's a good chance that Rafa and Djokovic

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are meeting for their roughly 600th time, Djokovic I think is ahead by one win, they're

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so close, they're the Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn of tennis, they've been going back and

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forth for a decade, they're destined to fight forever, forever and ever, they're the two

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best that ever lived, along with Federer, and it's just going to be great tomorrow,

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or today, or whatever you're listening to, I imagine Rafa's going to wind up winning,

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because Djokovic just looked a little bit shaky, but you never know, although you do,

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because Rafa has won the French Open 13 times, I feel like the French Open was happening

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like a week or two ago, I feel like this just keeps happening, it never stops, it's every

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year or so, no I just feel like there's some tennis thing that I just always assume is

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the French Open that's happening, yeah, well I mean, it's hard for me to tell the difference

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between any of this, if you talk about Rafa, you eventually mention that he won 13 French

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Opens, true, so Jordan, today we have an episode from the past, no, that's where things are

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better, I got sick of Jordan's shit, well that's fair, I got sick of Alex's shit in

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the present day, and you know, one of the things that was like, alright I'm definitely

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doing an episode about the past, was that I kept seeing people posting that picture

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of Alex at a strip club, and I just lost my patience with the present day, I don't understand

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how that ends up being like, a viral tweet on Twitter, like I don't, who cares, yeah

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that's my instant reaction, a lot of people were telling me about it and I was like, that's

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okay, he's a monster, good for him, he can go to, we can all go to a strip club whenever

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we want, whenever we want, that guy's a monster though, I don't care if he's at a strip club,

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it doesn't really, it doesn't really make anything, it doesn't make any larger point

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other than like, I think there's something weird about going to a strip club, I mean

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I suppose you could probably try and make the argument that it's hypocritical for him

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to be God-blasting all day, every day, and then be at a strip club, but yeah, it's so

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easy, it's stupid, you could say like, look I'm a man, or you could say, I went there

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because I had a business meeting and the people I was with wanted to go, you don't understand

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what it's like to be in the higher echelons of business, you're running your own business

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sometimes, you know there's a hundred ways you could get around the quote on quote hypocrisy

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of it, and I don't know, I didn't look into it too much, but it looked like he was in

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a bathroom, and look, I hate Alex Jones, I don't even know if that's a strip club, well

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I hate Alex Jones, and I will say that if someone was taking a picture of him in the

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bathroom, I think that is a violation of someone's rights of privacy, sure, and like, I don't

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think it's cool to take pictures of people in a bathroom, yeah, I think you're right,

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anyway, that's a good point, I was like, I don't know, I imagine maybe he has a rebuttal

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to that, but I don't want to talk about it, I just don't care, yeah, so today we're gonna

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be in the past and we're gonna be talking about May 15th to 20th, whoa, that's a lot,

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2003, oh, blackjack, dammit, that's the wrong one again, roulette, this is a period that

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I've been looking forward to covering because as we know, the de-bathification begins, yes,

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around this time, he's been screaming about how they're gonna let the bath party run,

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everything, the baths are taking over, that's Bush's and the globalist's plan from the beginning,

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yes, they're going to be in charge of Iraq because they're basically CIA, exactly, and

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so I was interested to see how that would be affected by, you know, how Alex's rhetoric

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would be affected, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then the second thing is that this is

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over the weekend, and this is when Alex goes to Kansas City to do that local radio station

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gig, that's right, we have a couple of dangling threads that are gonna come together in this

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episode and I'm excited to get to it, but first, let's say hello to some new wonks,

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so first, possibly Pluto, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk,

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oh, thank you very much, dwarf planet, thank you, next, I like this one, W Neon Skousen,

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thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, I like that one too, I

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would go to a CPA named W Neon Skousen, I would go to that if it was a Cold War themed

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laser tag place, that would be awesome, that would be dope, next, Liam, we know your favorite

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food is pickles, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, thank

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you Liam, yay, next, Omar Cha Cha, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a

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policy wonk, thank you very much Omar, thank you, and this is a shout out that a wonk asked

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us to give as a policy, honorary policy wonk I guess, that's Bunny Brigade Pennsylvania,

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Bunny Brigade PA, it's a bunny charity, like a rescue animal charity, oh okay, yeah, yeah,

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I'm way ahead, they're apparently trying to expand and you can go to their website and

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donate if you want to help save some bunnies, hell yeah, I was very close to trying to adopt

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one of them because I looked at the website and there's a couple that were very cute,

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of course there are, of course there are, you can't not adopt a bunny, no, anyway, Bunny

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Brigade PA, you're now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much, and then

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a couple technocrats here Jordan, we got Just Listen to Jordan stand up on YouTube and really

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enjoyed it, you're now a technocrat, and Derek's brother Connor, you're now a technocrat, and

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Derek hey, congratulations on your engagement recently, I hope you and Mallory have a great

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time with your lives, I don't know how to say words, you're now a technocrat, I'm a

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policy wonk, crikey mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew, how's your 401k doing

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bro?

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Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this Watson alright, let's just get down to business,

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we ain't making that money off that heroin, why you pimps so good, my neck is freakishly

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large, I declare info war on you, thank you all, yes, thank you very much, especially

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to me for donating to our show, just to make sure everybody knows that I might have a stand

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up video on YouTube still, and I'm not sure if I do, but okay, so Jordan, we're gonna

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get into this here, but first, here is an out of context drop, man that was a good show,

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didn't cover all the news, covered a lot of it, okay, okay, okay, man that was a good

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C+, got a 75%, I'm feeling solid about this math test, holy shit, I nailed it, I did some

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of the things, that to me felt like really Alex Jones, that's very good, I do appreciate

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that, hey this is a good show, also I set the bar low, anyways, onto tomorrow, you gotta

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love yourself, you know, so we start here on the 15th, this is a Thursday, and Alex

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is still covering the bombing in Riyadh that had happened recently, if you recall it was

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a residential complex compound kind of area where a lot of Westerners were known to live,

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in the intervening time since then, some more information has come out about the particular

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Westerners that were living in these compounds that appeared to be the target of that, and

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so this is the direction the story is going to go.

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Local companies' employees die in Saudi bombing, now I had this on Infowars.com yesterday,

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I briefly mentioned it, I said two days ago, before it was even in the news, on my website

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and it's posted, the headline, you saw it, where I said, hmm, I bet the Carlisle Group

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is going to be involved, I bet they're involved in the rebuilding, well guess what, guess

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who owned the company and it just gotten done selling it and it still had connections to

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it as a subsidiary, the Carlisle Group, the Benlodons, the Bushes and the rest of them.

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So the company in question that were apparently the targets of this 2003 bombing in Riyadh

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was the Vinnell Corporation, it's a construction business that was founded in 1931 and has

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a deep history of international contracts for U.S. interests.

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For instance, during the Vietnam War, Vinnell was tasked with maintaining power plant systems

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over there overseas, they're actually pretty well known for this because in 1967, approximately

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2,000 Korean workers at a Vinnell plant in Cameron Bay were dissatisfied enough with

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their conditions that they rioted.

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From Shelby Stanton's book, The Rise and Fall of an American Army, U.S. Ground Forces in

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Vietnam, 1965 to 1973, quote, the primary cause appears to have been dissatisfaction

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with the food served them, particularly the shortage of rice.

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The Koreans refused to eat their Saturday meal on November 18th and went to the Vinnell

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Mess Hall where they turned over tables and attacked several Americans.

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They forced the American project manager to eat some of their food to show them how bad

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it was.

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A Vinnell Corporation civilian took out his gun and shot three Koreans.

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He was then mobbed and severely injured and a Korean shot another American.

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The riot ended up lasting four days.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, like you say a company that does stuff for American government since

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1931 and I'm like, I'm probably bad.

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Not since 1931.

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They were founded in 1931.

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But they have a long history of performing government contracts in what are probably

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war zones or a lot of the time.

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So they're bad.

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Yeah, and their involvement in government contracts began during the Chinese Civil War

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when they were hired to ship supplies, meaning weapons, to Chiang Kai-Shek's forces.

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Oh shit, was Alex right about everything?

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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Because they were sending weapons to Chiang Kai-Shek.

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Yes, I know.

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It was fighting against Mao.

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So I don't know, Alex has got a tough point there.

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What's really most notable about this company, however, is that in 1975 they landed a very

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lucrative contract to train the Saudi Arabian National Guard.

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This is almost certainly- Can they do that?

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Apparently they can.

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This is almost certainly why their building was a target for that attack in Riyadh.

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Not some obscure connection to people Alex is insisting on connecting everyone to back

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in 2003.

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In fact, their headquarters in Saudi Arabia had been bombed back in 1995, too.

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This is something that I think people know to do.

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Yeah, I mean, you're bad, so this happens.

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I think that the people who would be trying to attack the Saudi Arabian government, maybe

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some rebel types or terrorists, would know enough to be like, well, let's not just attack

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the government.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, they're not using them with material stuff.

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It kind of makes sense.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Here's the connection between Vinil and Carlyle Group.

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In 1992, Vinil Corporation was bought by BDM International Incorporated, which in turn

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was owned by the Carlyle Group.

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However, in 1997, BDM was purchased by TRW Incorporated, which represented the end of

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their association with the Carlyle Group.

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According to an article in the Washington Post from 1997 about the deal, Carlyle had

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agreed to sell its entire stake and shares in the company to TRW in the acquisition,

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so there isn't even some minority ownership remaining the way Alex is pretending.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Then in 2002, TRW was bought by Northrop Grumman, so at the time Alex is recording this episode

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and he wants to talk about this company in the context of the military industrial complex,

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this would be the angle to take.

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It seems really simple, too, which is why you can't do it.

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It's too easy.

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By pointing fingers at the Carlyle Group, Alex is making this piece of information fit

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his pre-written narratives about Bush, but he's depriving the audience of access to any

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real context for the subject that he's covering.

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At the point Alex is on air here, the Carlyle Group was six years removed from selling Vinel's

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parent company, and even if they were owners of Vinel's parent company, still it wouldn't

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prove anything.

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Yeah.

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Oh, man.

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I mean, to a certain extent, I think once you're talking about a company that's been

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bought like three times in six years, I don't even know if any of these people have any

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idea what it is they're buying or selling at that highest level.

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You know what I'm saying?

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What do you mean George W. Bush knows what's going on or anything like that?

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He's got people who are just like, ah, we'll do all that stuff.

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He's bumbling around like a fool.

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I don't know.

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They don't know what they're doing if they're buying those kinds of companies and then selling

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them a year later.

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Well, from what I understand from reading some of these articles, it was a period of

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time where there was rampant consolidation and merger and going on in terms of these

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international contractors.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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And so that kind of explains a little bit of the moving around.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's not compelling.

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Just because you see the name Carlyle Group in the past of this company.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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I don't know.

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It's soft.

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Northrop Grumman is probably an easier name to just pull and be like, problem.

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Doesn't come up at all.

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See?

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No, but problem.

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You know?

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Weird that it doesn't come up at all.

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The name Northrop Grumman doesn't come up at all in Alex's conversation.

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I thought Alex has a stake in Northrop Grumman.

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No.

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See?

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Anybody can do it, Dan.

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Anybody can do it.

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Alex owns part of Northrop Grumman.

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So it's all a conspiracy that he's trying to get people to hate the, it's, anybody.

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As founded as anything else.

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Done.

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Yeah, anybody.

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Anybody.

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Apparently this Vinnell Corporation is also apparently a front for the CIA.

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Oh, okay.

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Turns out the firm was a cover for the CIA too.

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Oh, lo and behold, what got bombed was the CIA, hence the Times of London, and the Vinnells

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one-time owners of the Carlyle Group, shadowy CIA operations.

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Here are the mainstream articles, NBC and the Times of London, on the website Infowars.com

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right now.

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One of the things that I've learned to be very careful about when dealing with speculative

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information is claims that people or groups are fronts.

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This is an accusation that's really difficult to work with because generally speaking it's

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a claim that's made constantly without proof, and people who make the claim often seem to

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think that the burden of proof is on you to show that some group isn't a front, which

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is a trap.

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If you read any John Birch Society text or book from the anti-communist crusaders that

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Alex loves, one of the first things you'll notice is that every single thing is asserted

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to be a communist front, and none of it is ever substantiated.

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Gary Allen's book, Communist Revolution in the Streets, accuses literally every civil

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rights organization, every student activism group, and most bookstores of being communist

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fronts.

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And not in the sense that some communists might gravitate to these things.

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He's claiming that these exist explicitly as props of the communist party.

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It was Barnes and Nobleski, if you, alright.

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So anyway, my point is that it's one of the rhetorical tricks that I have the least interest

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in, is like an unsupported allegation that something or someone is a front.

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Nonsense.

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The question I just wrote down is like, after all these years, what does Alex think the

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CIA's portfolio actually looks like, like if there was a balance sheet of all of their

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fronts?

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Jesus.

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So in the case of Vinnell, there is an article in the London Times about how they were formerly

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owned by the Carlyle Group, and that the Carlyle Group had a history of contracting with intelligence

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organizations.

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Sure.

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Sure's the headline that Alex is talking about.

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Now, here's the thing.

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I would never come to you and say that Vinnell absolutely hasn't done some work with groups

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like the CIA.

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Sure.

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That's almost a certainty, considering their longstanding contract to train the Saudi National

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Guard.

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And allegations have been made.

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From a 2003 article in the LA Times, quote, in a memoir, former CIA operative Wilbur Crane

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Evelyn described using his title as Vinnell vice president as a cover while working in

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Africa and the Middle East in the early 1960s.

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It's definitely conceivable to imagine that at times people who work for the CIA have

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used fake employment at Vinnell as cover, but that alone doesn't demonstrate that the

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entire company itself is a front operation.

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I'm going out of my way to provide explanations for why Alex could be right, and I still don't

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think his argument stands up to scrutiny.

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No.

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No, I mean, here's what I get from all of the evidence.

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Something shady could be going on here.

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Here's what I get from Alex.

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It's the fucking globalists inside everybody.

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And we've proved it.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And it's like, man, I'm not saying nothing shady's going on, but I'm not saying nothing's

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not going on.

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Initially, after the bombing, it was suspected that the attacks were on a housing area known

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to be used by Westerners living in Riyadh.

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As more details came out, it became more clear that this was likely a targeted attack aimed

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at Vinnell.

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What makes a lot of sense is that, from the standpoint of people who might attack the

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Saudi government, like we were talking about, they're assisting and training the National

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Guard of Saudi Arabia, and you might see that as a high-profile target.

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If you're a rebel, it's hard not to view that as a combatant target.

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The CIA could outright run Vinnell, or they could just be a company that had close ties

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to the government and allowed CIA agents to use their business's name as part of the cover.

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Either way, I'm not sure it really matters, because the thing they're doing sucks.

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There's a much larger problem here with this entire state of private armies and war contractors,

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but instead of dealing with those things realistically, Alex just wants to jingle around keys like

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the CIA and Carlyle group, because distracting is easier than wrestling with difficult information

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and looking at the reality.

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That's what he's doing, and it's wild.

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I mean, then again, to a certain extent, it's hard not to look back in the context of, like,

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when he has Trump, he's fine with so much of this shit, you know?

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He likes Blackwater now.

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Yeah, he loves all of this stuff, so, you know, maybe part of the reason-

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He thinks Prince is a hero.

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Part of the reason maybe that he's doing all of these jangling keys kinds of things is

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because he wants the fundamental problems to stay the same, he just wants to be in control

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of those fundamental problems and how we react to them, you know?

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He wants to have a private army.

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So why would he complain about people who have private armies unless it's within the

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context of jangling keys over here, you know?

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Well, I mean, certainly, you know, libertarianism is not averse to private armies.

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No, no, no.

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Most libertarian thinkers seem to-

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As long as you get to join.

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Yeah.

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So, anyway, Alex has some more conspiracies about this company in Saudi.

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Turns out that 50 plus of the 70 employees were gone on a training mission and-

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So he's saying that 50 of the 70 employees at Vinil were gone on a training mission,

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but what he's doing is he's trying to create the false impression in the listener's head.

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Whenever there's an attack, you'll always hear claims that some select group was warned

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not to be there or had been removed from the area beforehand because claims like this seem

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to be really strong indications of foreknowledge and probably it's a false lie.

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Of course.

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Alex wants you to think that 50 of the seven employees there weren't at work that day,

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which is suspicious, but that's not the situation.

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The buildings that were bombed were a residential compound where 70 American employees lived.

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I'm not sure where Alex is getting the 50 number from, but nine employees died and 15

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were hospitalized, not counting many who were merely treated for minor injuries.

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Jesus.

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Also, if people who worked at Vinil weren't at home, they almost by definition would be

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on a training mission since the reason they're in Saudi Arabia is a training mission.

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The words Alex is saying actually mean nothing, but they're meant to create a denser air of

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suspicion around the bombing, which is unearned by the information that he's actually presenting.

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It does seem like he's even presenting it the exact opposite way in as far as they were

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just at work.

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He's like, they're on a training mission, meaning they're not at work, but in this circumstance,

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they're at work.

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They're not at home.

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Yeah, he's meaning it to be like they were sent to UAE.

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Right, right, right.

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He's trying to sell it like if the Pentagon got exploded tomorrow, but all the top generals

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escaped miraculously the day before, you're like, well, that's suspicious as shit instead

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of like-

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That's exactly what he's doing.

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They all just went to work that day.

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It was a normal day.

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He's saying all the higher ups were gone, and he literally does say a couple of times

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like, the janitors were the ones who were-

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Okay.

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I don't know about this.

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So Alex jumps off this topic, and he reads a bit of an op-ed by Joseph Farah, the guy

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who runs WorldNetDaily.

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Sure.

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I bet it's great.

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Well, one of the things that I think is really fascinating about this is that Alex doesn't

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seem to like WorldNetDaily in 2003.

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I'm just so confused.

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He doesn't consider them allies.

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I'm furious.

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So anyway, this is going to start with him reading from the article and then expounding

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a little bit on some of his feelings.

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Most people need to rethink their notions about the political spectrum and the left

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end.

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Most people agree you have communism, total government control over the means of production

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and property.

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It's the other end of the spectrum that many get confused.

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Ask most left-wingers, and they'll suggest that fascism is on the extreme right, 180

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degrees from communism.

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Uh-uh.

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Wow, Farah.

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You've been listening to the show.

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We know a lot of WorldNetDaily writers listen, and you've admitted that.

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I've got news for you, friends.

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Fascism and communism are ideological kissing cousins.

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Boy, you said it.

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I would place fascism and socialism just a few degrees to the right of communism.

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No, Farah.

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It's not left-right.

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What?

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Fascism, communism, socialism, all on the command and control, tyranny, serfdom, feudalism,

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and republics, constitutional republics, are on the other end of that spectrum.

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Get a little more sophisticated.

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I think you are.

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I think you know.

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They've got to keep you in that left-right.

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You think you get a choice when really you're on the big government side.

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That's weird.

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Words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words.

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Yeah.

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Alex loves WorldNetDaily now and has over large stretches of his career, but he seems

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to think that they're neo-cons at this point, and he thinks that this op-ed that Joseph

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Farah wrote is an indication that they're coming around or something, and so he's excited.

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I'm less interested in that op-ed than I am in Alex's discussion about some of the more

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the specifics about his belief that the right-left paradigm is an illusion.

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I'm a big fan of how he confuses economic systems, government systems, any number of

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different things.

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Listening to mostly more current episodes of Alex's show from the past five or six years,

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you get the sense that that idea had something to do with political parties.

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Even at the end of the clip, he's making reference to the left and the right having something

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to do with giving you the illusion of having a choice, which feels like he's talking about

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voting and political parties.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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However, listening to these 2003 episodes, the concept has sort of taken a different

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shape.

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Since Alex talks a little bit more about what he actually means back then, and I have to

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say that I think it's actually way stupider than I thought it was, it actually seems like

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a political philosophy that's tailor-made to be defined by opposition, which goes a

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long way toward helping make sense of how the show seemed nonsensical in the Trump era

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and now.

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When Alex is discussing the illusion of the left-right paradigm, I believe you have to

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just completely get ideas of liberal or conservative politics out of your head.

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I think Alex is operating on a completely different axis, which is essentially just

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government is bad.

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It's a pretty childish thing to express as your fundamental political belief, especially

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if you don't have the courage to just come out and be a full-on anarchist.

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If you're against big government, then I'd like to remind you that small government is

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fucking huge compared to no government.

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Leaving that aside, I want to discuss for a second why Alex's conception of this being

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the only relevant excess in politics is woefully dumb and not the way to look at the world.

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The sole factor Alex considers in terms of ideology is whether or not something is a

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system that includes government control of the public, the command and control aspect.

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On the one side of the spectrum, he puts communism, socialism, and fascism as systems with high

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government control, and at the other end, he has this idealized version of a constitutional

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republic, which I guess is supposed to have minimal government control, I guess.

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I don't know.

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If that's the only factor that matters, then there should be no difference to Alex between

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anarcho-capitalism and libertarian socialism.

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Both advocate for the elimination of the centralized state, which would result in a system with

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even less governmental control over the public than exists in a republic.

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Both are conceived around people existing in a stateless world, characterized by voluntarily

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constructed groups.

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But obviously, these two ideologies have stark differences.

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One of the biggest is their stance on private property.

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Anarcho-capitalists believe the right to private property is essentially the bedrock of society,

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whereas libertarian socialists would view the accumulation of private property to be

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an instance of the same oppression one might face from the state, just being carried out

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by a private corporation.

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It's very obvious if you look at these two systems that Alex isn't really being honest

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about his political preferences.

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If there's two schools of thought which both eschew centralized governmental control, there

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are still political preferences that Alex has that are on the left-right spectrum.

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Private property is a matter of the left-right spectrum.

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While it's true that most center-left and center-right people tend to agree that private

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property ownership is good, that's not true when you go to the further ends of the spectrum.

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Further-left ideologies tend to favor communal ownership of private property or democratized

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workplaces.

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Conversely, further-right ideologies tend to believe that private property rights are

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inalienable human rights, and they have no problem with exploitative workplaces because

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employment is a voluntary relationship.

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Alex presents himself as being above the left-right paradigm because he wants you to think that

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he's talking about democrat-republican two-party system stuff that exists in the United States.

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He wants you to think that because most people are disenfranchised with that two-party system,

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and it's an easy thing to find agreement with.

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Most people would be like, yeah, you know, these aren't fully, they don't fully encapsulate

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my ideology.

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And if you look at it as like a line between the two parties, yes, that is an illusion.

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That's what he wants you to think, but that's not what he's talking about.

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It's important to recognize that, and recognize that he's a liar.

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When he says that he's above the left-right paradigm, what he's actually saying is that

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he hates government, that he lacks the political depth to coherently advocate for the form

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of anarchy that he would prefer, and so he just pretends that the answer is a constitutional

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republic.

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Yeah, I mean, I would also add into that, that level of, you know, the type of person

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who wants capitalism, but you know, they're not going to be the people grounded underneath

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the boot of capitalism.

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You know, look, listen, I think, you know, people shouldn't have all of this money.

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I mean, I should have all of this money, obviously, but people shouldn't have all this money,

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you know?

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Because again, you want to preserve so much of the system that gives you power over everybody

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else, instead of being like, look, I don't want any government, whoa, whoa, whoa, then

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people might steal my expensive things, you know, like that kind of feel.

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If you created his kind of left-right paradigm world within there, there'd still be fucking

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cops to protect his shit, so he doesn't have to.

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Like that's the kind of anarcho bullshit he's peddling, so yeah, fuck off.

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Yeah, I mean, what I would need from him is, okay, so if the question is command and control

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nonsense and like what amount the government controls the population, right, that is the

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relevant access upon which you can judge politics.

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That's it.

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If that's the case, then you need to explain to me why a constitutional republic is more

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preferable than an anarchist state, because that would be the complete elimination of

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this thing that you think is the bad.

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And then you'd have to argue, I guess if you're Alex, that a certain amount is important.

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And then, okay, why?

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He's like, well, because I like to control things or something, you know?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Because I want stuff.

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Yeah.

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And this doesn't even get into differentiation between personal and private property and

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how many left ideologies still believe in personal property.

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And the right does try to muddle those things a little bit.

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It's easy.

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But yeah, and I mean, this also isn't even getting into the differentiation between political

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and more economic models and how Alex is just playing fast and loose between all of them.

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You can have a fascist communist state.

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There's a government and an economic model there that's not a fascist or communist state.

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That's not how it works.

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And, I don't know, I just think when you hear stuff like this, what it does is it helps

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me understand a little bit more about these sort of elements of Alex's costume that he

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wears to try and trick people into thinking he's sensible.

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And that being above the left-right paradigm looks sensible, because you could say, Republicans

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and Democrats are all the same.

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They're beholden to corporate interests, special interest groups, and you can say that.

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And I think you can get a lot of people to be like, yeah, you know what?

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That makes some sense.

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But that's not what Alex is talking about.

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No, no.

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It's just a little bit of a disguise.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you can call yourself above the left-right paradigm fairly easily because a winning strategy

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for both Republicans and Democrats is to say, listen, the Republicans and the Democrats

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fucking suck.

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Elect me to be one of those Republicans or Democrats, you know, like it's a winning strategy.

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It kind of is.

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It's not hard.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It does.

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It helps.

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It helps.

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What a pathetic world.

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But anyway, labels and words mean nothing.

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Yes.

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Communism, fascism, it means nothing, nothing.

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It's all strong man, thug, empire, get it straight.

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If your goal is to enlighten an audience or help them better understand the world around

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them and the political conversations that they're hearing, this is exactly the opposite

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of what you should do.

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Communism and fascism do definitely mean something.

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They are just words that describe imperial strongmen wearing different colored hats and

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convincing audiences that that's the case makes them entirely unprepared to deal with

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challenging political issues.

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Also, if you take Alex at his word, then the hallmarks of the sort of government that he

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hates and he does not want to exist is one that's run by a strongman or thug, which is

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an empire.

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I know hypocrisy means nothing, but by these standards, Donald Trump is precisely the candidate

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2003 Alex Jones would strongly oppose.

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In 2015, Alex knew Trump was connected to the mob and presented an image of a strongman

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as a facade.

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He put on this image.

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He was a fake strongman.

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Yeah.

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During the campaign, Trump made signals to being open to empire and Alex even defended

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Trump's desire to buy Greenland and claim space in the name of the United States.

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Come on, you want Greenland, you want space.

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Trump fails Alex's imaginary test that's allegedly above the left-right paradigm, but Alex still

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supports him because he actually passes Alex's real litmus test, which is heavily dependent

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on the left-right paradigm.

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Oh yeah.

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That's important to keep in mind, but it's important to remember that that's really what

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motivates him.

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Yeah.

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It's such a bummer that these concepts like communism and fascism and all of that stuff,

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things that really do take a book or multiple books or many, many books to understand clearly,

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let alone try and implement.

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And then you've got people who are just like, communism is this in a short sentence.

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That's going to muddy the waters.

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Nobody wants to read many, many books.

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Yeah.

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And I think you have that same problem on the reverse side.

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Oh yeah, totally.

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People promoting certain ideologies or systems, doing it overly simplistically.

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I think you run into similar issues of watering down meanings, confusing people.

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Yeah.

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And there's a lot of complexity and I'm not even sitting here pretending I understand

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fully every intricate aspect of theory.

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Right, right.

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No, no, no.

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Absolutely.

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It becomes, you know, why did Marx write Das Kapital?

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It's so big.

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He should have written a one page ad in the New York Times and we all still would have

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gotten it, right?

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That's how simple theory is.

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Hey capitalism, I got two words for you.

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Suck it.

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Yes, exactly.

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Yeah, done.

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So Alex jumps off this and goes on to another headline that I guess is the big news.

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But the big news when we get back, dead man left on gym floor while others exercise, just

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how people don't care anymore.

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This is a sad headline, but...

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That's the big news.

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Yeah, I'm not sure there's any place being part of the news roundup of a national radio

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show.

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I don't know.

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Single person hurt in accident.

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On shows like Alex's, you'll hear coverage like this a lot because it serves a couple

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of important emotional purposes for the audience.

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The first is that a straw man is created of the heartless people who could just exercise

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while a person next to them was dead.

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The listener gets to imagine how horrible these people are and feel morally superior

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to these imaginary people.

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The second is to demoralize the audience about the state of the world and erode their belief

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in their fellow persons.

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The goal is to present a situation where the audience hears this headline and they imagine

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that these people in the gym continued to work out fully aware that this person was

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dead because that's shitty of them.

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If they didn't know the person was dead and thought possibly he was just resting, then

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you can't really paint this as a story that highlights the moral degradation of the broader

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culture.

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It's really more just a situation where people are minding their own business at the gym

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and there's a tragic coincidence.

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People not bothering stranger.

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Yeah.

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It's sad and it's unfortunate, but it's not like...

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This is not a news story that illustrates how bad people are.

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Yeah, no, it's like he's trying to do a sequel to Boondock Saints, but it's about people

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at the gym who are just minding their own business.

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I've been to the gym many times and people could have been dead.

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There are people who I've seen laying, like, and your favorite word, supine.

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Supine.

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You're never gonna let me live that down.

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Nope.

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They're just laying there and obviously, you know, if you want to go poke them, you can,

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but also every time I have been around, they eventually get up because they've just been

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tired because they're working out.

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Imagine how many years someone does that.

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If you're listening to Alex Jones in 2003, right, and you're like taking this one story

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to heart.

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You've missed everything else he's ever said, but you got this one story.

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How many years are you poking people at the gym before maybe you find a dead guy?

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You know?

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Your whole life.

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Your whole life.

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You're never finding a dead guy.

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You're not finding people now.

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I bet you're not.

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You're an asshole.

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Yep.

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So Alex has Craig Roberts back on.

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And you'd have to try and explain it every time.

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Yeah.

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Oh, sorry.

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I thought you were dead.

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Sorry.

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I thought you were dead.

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In 2003, Alex Jones had this story where people watched everybody die and I'm just not gonna

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let it happen.

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Alex Jones convinced me that the only way to be a good person was to poke everybody.

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Exactly.

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So Alex has Craig Roberts back on, who is the conspiracy theorist type, and he was on

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partially because he's gonna be in Kansas City with Alex in this speech.

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And so, you know, there's a war going on in the world.

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This is obviously just a distraction from the financial collapse that's happening tomorrow.

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Gold.

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And then we hit a common theme.

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If they can keep us in a war, that'll divert us off the plunging economy and the shopping

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malls being empty.

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Because this, it's not just oil or weapons sales, it's about a global police state.

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From Russia to the US, governments are using the terror as a massive crackdown mechanism.

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We know Putin got caught blowing up buildings in Russia.

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Well, it's order out of chaos, not decaled.

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That's their motto.

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Every day, Putin and the apartment buildings come up.

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Every single day.

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In this stretch?

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Yeah.

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Every day.

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I have been keeping track.

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Not a single episode has gone by that hasn't come up multiple times.

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It makes me so mad.

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It makes me so mad.

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That's a cornerstone of his sort of reporting at this point.

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You can just do whatever you want.

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You certainly can.

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That's the lesson of America.

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If you're a psycho, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

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So at this point, Alex, he has his interview with Craig Robertson.

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It's kind of short and I don't really care.

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I don't find that guy very interesting.

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But what is interesting is that Alex then has an interview with his water filter sponsor.

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Oh no.

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Bad news coming out, bad economy, and people putting their money back in.

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Public indicators, there's no one at the stores.

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I go to CompUSA to buy something computer-wise.

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I go to the mall.

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There's no one there, Jim.

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Well and that's what, that's basically the story all the way through the economy.

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And they're saying is brace for massive terror attacks.

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We're going to get hit.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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People, you better get essentials.

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You better pick up the phone and get these water filters.

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You are nuts if you don't.

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Jim, tell them about the new.

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That's shameless.

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That's what they knew.

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That's an incredible new product.

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Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty shameless.

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That is, that is without shame.

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That is the definition of shameless.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Let's get those water filters and the sponsor on to scare people.

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They're going to be terrorist attacks.

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They want to scare you with all these terrorist attacks.

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Let me tell you something, people.

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The economy's collapsing so you need water filters.

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I'm not trying to scare you with terror attacks.

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I think that, you know, I think we've talked about this a little bit in the past, but I

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think it's been a really long time.

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Like, I think that there is a way to do what Alex is doing in a responsible way.

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You know, like be like, hey, you know, there, there are dangers in the world and you know,

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let's say if you have a family, it would be good to have a little bit of food stored in

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case of a natural disaster or something like when I was growing up, there was a worry about

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tornadoes in Missouri.

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Yeah.

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And so my parents had some canned food and water in the basement just as a, like, we

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never ended up needing it, but just in case it's there.

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Exactly.

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I always have an extra big bag of cat food on hand because I have a cat.

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Of course.

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And I don't want to run into a situation where something could happen and I'm not able to

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take care of this thing.

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Totally.

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I think that there is like a way to, it's not this though.

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No.

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This is exploitative and playing on people's fears.

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Yeah.

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There, there's a, there's a version of this that is like looking at life responsibly and

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trying to be like, well, you may need this.

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Right.

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It's, it's not a terrible idea just in case.

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And the other side of it is this, like you're, you're stupid if you don't get these, these

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water filters because there's going to be terrorist attacks and the economy is going

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to collapse.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It is unfortunate that that's like that combination of when commerce and capital met psychology

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and turned it into advertising and they're like, we can get more stuff if we emotionally

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manipulate people than if we provide them a rational argument.

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So we're going to emotionally manipulate them.

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The end.

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So the filter sponsor, he apparently just got some big news from a major scientist about

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how great his filters are.

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And Alex tries to set this up.

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Please tell me it's Dr. Fauci of all people.

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I wish.

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Why not?

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Let's throw that in there.

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No, I'm not that big of a witch.

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Um, no, but the, the, the filter sponsor doesn't have time to talk about this and listen to

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Alex's disappointment here.

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Okay, let's hear this.

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So it's really, you had a famous scientist do the test.

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Uh, that's correct.

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And um, well, Alex, I tell you what, I'm, I'm on a business trip and I've got to be

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somewhere in about 15 minutes, but if I can, uh, I'd like to give a little special out

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here.

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Sure.

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Go ahead, Jim.

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Okay.

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Very disappointed.

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Who is the famous scientist?

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One thing to say, you said a famous scientist, say the name, then give the ad.

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Yes.

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The end.

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This has been approved by Mary.

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Something, something, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Watson and Crick.

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Jonas Salk approves of my water filters.

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Now we have a special running.

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Naturally, naturally.

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Anyway, Alex is another guest and this is something that he's been promoting all day.

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He's so excited to have this guy on.

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He is a Canadian journalist named Barry Zwicker.

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Okay.

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Uh, and uh, he does not like 9-11 and thinks 9-11 was an inside job and what have you.

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All right.

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And he's been playing him up as like the biggest deal, like a huge Canadian journalist, one

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of the most important in the world.

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Okay.

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And uh, so here's Barry's introduction to the proceedings.

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Well, listen, it's a real pleasure, Alex, I, uh, I, I encountered your face for the

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first time at the end of that new video, uh, called aftermath, you know, questions, unanswered

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questions from 9-11.

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I saw that video in San Francisco last month and I really liked what they had you as the

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last guy punching out a real call for people to wake up and uh, I really admired that.

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So Barry Zwicker is an interesting fellow.

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From everything I can tell, he was a pretty standard and accomplished Canadian journalist.

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He'd worked for mainstream outlets and then 9-11 happened and everything seems to have

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fallen apart.

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Uh oh.

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Zwicker decided that...

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He's like Dennis Miller.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Except I don't think that Zwicker's gone full hard right.

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Or that Dennis Miller was ever funny.

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I don't know if Zwicker's funny either.

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Fair.

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He decided that the mainstream media story about the attack wasn't real, but he did have

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a bit of a different angle on it than Alex.

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According to what he told reporter Terry Glavin in a 2006 interview, the end goal of the attack,

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carried out by the White House, was to create a war against Islam.

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Okay.

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That was the conspiracy.

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Well?

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In 2004, he would go on to make his own 9-11 film titled The Great Conspiracy, the 9-11

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news special you never saw.

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It's just as good and just as bad as every other 9-11 documentary and has a title that

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bears all the hallmarks of the early days of internet clickbait, before people really

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got good at it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Before it turned into an art form into itself, yeah.

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Over the years, he's continued to be a 9-11 truther and generally the sort of person you

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can count on to call just about anything a false flag.

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I found a recent interview he did with the Global Research News Hour where he was discussing

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how the storming of the Capitol on January 6th was a false flag.

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Sure.

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I know you expected to hear him doing some Alex shtick, but it's the exact opposite.

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He was saying that the event was a false flag inspired or directed by Trump, which honestly

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makes no sense.

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No, I love it.

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The term false flag comes from the idea of a ship attacking someone while flying a different

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country's flag so that country gets blamed.

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If Trump had a bunch of people storming the Capitol wearing Trump hats, that's not a false

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flag.

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It's just a straight up correct flag.

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It does seem like that, unless you are implying that...

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So he's saying that Trump was also in on the setup of his own supporters in order to discredit

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his own ideology and support.

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No, I don't think so, because he doesn't like Trump.

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Right.

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But how could Trump be in on a false flag if that...

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That's what I'm saying.

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Semantically, it doesn't make sense.

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No, of course not.

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It's tough for me to say, but listening to that interview, it kind of feels like Zwicker

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is like an Alex Jones, but with opposite politics.

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He's making wildly unfounded assertions and claims that don't make sense, but he's also

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staunchly opposed to Trump and recognizes that systemic racism exists.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Hooray.

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Yeah.

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His appearance here on Alex's show is a real moment that was possible in 2003, but probably

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not much later than that.

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Not these days, yeah.

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They felt like they were in agreement as far as 9-11 conspiracies were concerned, but they

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actually didn't agree on anything, because they're dreadfully far apart on the left-right

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paradigm.

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The left-right paradigm is fairly important in reality.

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It seems to be.

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If you judge everything based on something's position in terms of the right and left spectrum,

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then maybe that's a little bit reductive itself.

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Yeah.

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There are multiple axes upon which things can be judged, but pretending that that one

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doesn't exist is a real limitation.

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Fool's game.

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Fool's game, yeah.

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So Barry, oh boy, bam.

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Barry says something in this interview that if it were present day, Alex would lose his

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goddamn mind.

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Okay, I want to hear it.

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I happen, my hero happens to be a guy named Bertrand Russell, a dead British white philosopher,

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and he had his own Ten Commandments, and his first commandment is never lie to yourself.

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And I think that is the first and foremost commandment.

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Don't lie to yourself.

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Bertrand Russell, you got this left-wing globalism arm, and that's how they catch us all.

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They got the phony right wing, they got the phony left wing, but that's it for another

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discussion.

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But that is another discussion.

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So that's a huge tell for me that Alex doesn't believe his own bullshit.

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Yeah, what a cheater.

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According to Infowars lore, Bertrand Russell's writing outright admits that the globalists

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plan to drug, sterilize, and kill off most of the population.

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Russell is one of the old school globalists, according to Alex, who is instrumental in

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coming up with and publicizing their evil plans.

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I can understand wanting to have a polite interview, and I do think that there are times

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just to agree to disagree about things.

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For instance, if Barry thought that the 9-11 planes were remote controlled and Alex felt

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they were piloted by the hijackers, they could go ahead and agree to disagree without having

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a gigantic problem sitting on the table.

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They may have a disagreement, but not a fundamental contradiction.

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Not a deal breaker, if you will.

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Right.

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Barry isn't just saying that he kinda likes Bertrand Russell.

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He says Russell is his hero.

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Barry is a guy who's worked for major papers, and he's taught college courses, so it stands

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to reason that if he says that Bertrand Russell is his hero, he's probably read as much or

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more of his writing than Alex has.

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This is why, to me, this cannot be an agree-to-disagree moment.

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In order for Alex to maintain all the narratives he has in play, he has to be agreeing to disagree

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about his guest hero-worshipping a guy who he has read, discussing the plans to kill

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off most of the human population.

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There's no other reasonable conclusion to come to with the information provided, other

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than that Barry is an enthusiastic fan of globalist conspiracies.

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He loves him.

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Alex should want to fight him.

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It does seem like Alex is like, okay, okay, I get it.

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We agree that 9-11 was an inside job.

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So I'm going to gloss over the fact that your hero is the architect of killing everybody

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so we can really get to the bottom of this 9-11 thing.

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You might be missing the forest for the fallen trees, if you will.

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Yeah.

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Alex knows that there's nothing he can do, and he can't really fight him on this, because

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he knows that Barry's read Bertrand Russell.

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Yeah, he doesn't know anything about Bertrand Russell.

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He's probably way more conversant on the subject than Alex is.

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It'd be very embarrassing.

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But Alex also knows that if he presses the issue, he risks revealing that his shit about

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Russell is made up.

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But he also knows that he can't just let a statement like that stand.

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And thus, you end up with his middle ground, his spineless agreeing to disagree about one

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of the top thinkers of the gigantic demonic conspiracy that Alex has made his entire career

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about fighting happening.

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It's ridiculous.

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Yeah, yeah, because if you're saying that you're above the left-right paradigm, you

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should be more unhappy with the plan instead of being like, well, there's globalists on

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the left.

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There's globalists on the right.

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What are you going to do?

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Hey, you win some, you lose some.

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Stuck in the middle with Barry.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I think that, I mean, obviously this is me just sort of spitballing and coming up with

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what I think is the most likely explanation for this.

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And that is that I think that Alex's branding at this point is so dependent on him being

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able to pretend this left-right paradigm thing is an illusion.

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So for him to have someone who's ostensibly a 9-11 conspiracy theorist who's on the left,

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or who has left tendencies and left politics, I don't think he wants to fight with that

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guy.

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I think it's really important for them to have some kind of an appearance of an alliance,

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especially with the way that Alex has been building him up as this big, giant reporter

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and super important person in Canada.

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And so I think that that takes precedence over this guy's hero is one of your main villains.

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He can't think that Barry isn't aware of Bertrand Russell.

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He can't think that he hasn't read the same things that Alex has read.

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Right.

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Well, I mean, because Alex is taking advantage of that.

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So the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

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And you can prove that because Alex is taking advantage of people thinking that the enemy

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of my enemy is my friend.

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Yep.

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It's fairly simple.

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Open and shut case.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So they take some calls with Barry and this guy really, really creeped me out.

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This guy is so creepy.

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Let's talk to Bill in Alaska.

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You're on the air with our guests.

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Go ahead.

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Yes, sir.

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Alex.

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I just had to call in.

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I got an enemy that hasn't been mentioned yet on today's show.

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And the American people want to know why this is like this.

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All they got to do is look in the mirror.

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Jim Jones in the case in point, I don't believe he was as guilty as the people that followed

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him.

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Oh.

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He couldn't have been a bad leader if he hadn't had followers.

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Okay.

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Creep.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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You're going to need to sell me a lot more on that one.

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He does not.

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You're going to need a lot more salesmanship on that take.

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I will tell you delivery and content both creepy as hell.

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Yeah.

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That's no good.

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I don't like a fucking bit player from Bonanza from Alaska telling me that Jim Jones was

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a good leader.

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Hey, in terms of death cults, man, in terms of like mass suicide cults, don't hate the

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player, hate the game.

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What is happening?

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I don't know.

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Here's the problem.

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People follow Jim Jones.

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If he wasn't such a good leader, then they wouldn't have followed him, so it's their

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fault.

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What?

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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I'm the Alaskan cowboy here to tell you about death cults.

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So the rest of the calls are kind of boring, but then the interview takes a turn hard south

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when Barry starts talking about his new DVD that he's been selling.

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Okay.

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We're having an incredible...

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It looks like we're moving toward 500 sales.

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We have an equation here in Canada, it's called the 10% thing, because the population of Canada

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is about one-tenth of the population of USA, so whatever happens to the states, we usually

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divide it by 10 and figure that's normal.

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Okay.

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For those that don't know, you're a national television host.

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You do this on your own and you write for newspapers and you just put together this

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video and believe me, it'll be a lot more than 500 if you get the word out, but...

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That is awful.

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Like Alex straight up laughs at him.

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He's a little 500.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that was not a, I'm laughing with you.

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No.

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That was an, I'm laughing at you.

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That was an almost uncontrollable response to like...

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You fucking shit.

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Oh no.

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500.

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Get out of here.

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And there's also the problem of like, alright, even the rule of tens, he's a little 5,000?

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That's still not great for what Alex is presenting.

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No.

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And so what that does is it pierces the illusion that Alex has created about this guy throughout

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the...

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He's a national writer, he's been on TV, he's the biggest, most important journalist in

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Canada and he can get upwards of 500, well upwards of 499 people to really get these.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it really hurts the facade, and you can tell that there is a tonal change in Alex

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after this specific number has been given, because it's like, I can't, I can't...

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Now you're nothing to me.

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He can't pretend that he is Rush Limbaugh of Canada if he's only moving those many units.

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My audience just, I can't deny that math.

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And so it's, you know, it is what it is, and it doesn't go much longer.

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But Alex does finish out this episode with some fairly standard complaining.

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A number of people detained is on the rise in Russia to Stalinist levels, it says here

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in the Moscow Times.

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Just total slavery over there, but they don't call it communism, they call it crony capitalism.

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Same thing, command and control.

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Alex brings up the Putin bombings at least four times in this episode, like it's really

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excessive.

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And then he says this about the Russian state, I find this fascinating because in the present

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day when he's trying to defend Putin, Alex will say that Russia isn't a globalist country,

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it's a system of crony capitalism, it's a positive thing now.

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Or at least it's not as bad as globalism.

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Crony capitalism isn't a negative command and control system in the present day to Alex.

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I could speculate about what the reason for this change is, but honestly I would just

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be guessing.

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It's a glaring difference though.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty weird.

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Pretty weird.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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So the 16th is Friday, and Alex is en route to Kansas City.

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Sure.

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He's going to speak at the local radio station, and he's not in studio.

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What's that, a six hour drive?

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From Austin?

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Yeah.

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I have no idea.

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And I think it's more.

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I think it's probably more.

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It's probably more.

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It's probably a nine hour drive.

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I don't know if he's actually driving, because I think he said he flew back.

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I don't know.

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I don't care.

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Anyway.

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The point is he takes Friday off.

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I'm just here to distract you with weird questions.

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Yeah.

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He takes Friday off, and then he comes back on Monday, because I don't think he has a

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Sunday show at this point.

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So he comes back on Monday, and here we go.

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Completely different subject.

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There are now mainstream news articles reporting on what we've been saying for years.

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The evidence of mind control triggers in the Matrix films.

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And here it is.

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We've been saying this for about three years.

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And here it is in the mainstream news.

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Did you know that Malvo, the supposed sniper who looks like a mind control victim, is out

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there now saying that that is certainly involved.

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Wonder how we knew about this three years ago.

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Well, there's just a lot of key indicators, and of course Harris and the others involved

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there in the Columbine situation were obsessed with the Matrix.

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And we'll be discussing it a little bit later.

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It could be a coincidence, but somehow I doubt it.

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Okay.

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Could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.

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This is nonsense.

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I gotta tell you.

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The first hour of this show is basically just Alex saying over and over again that the new

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Treasury Secretary has been bad-mouthing the dollar.

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And this is leading to it collapsing in relation to the Euro.

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Fine.

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And this is the only thing that seemed actually even interesting in about the first hour.

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It is a desert.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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19th was a tough walk.

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It's so great whenever people are like, oh, the Matrix is mind control.

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And then you're like, okay, well, 20 years ago the Manchurian Candidate was telling us

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that the mind control is happening, and then 20 years before that, and you're like, I just

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don't care what you think about movies.

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I just don't care.

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And look, I would say that probably the Matrix has some ideas that are explored, maybe not

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as eloquently as they could have been, and maybe that confuses some people.

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Further, it has an aesthetic that a lot of people adopt, and maybe you could trace those

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things to some of these shooters.

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I don't know.

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I also think that, generally speaking, when you have somebody, like, there are a couple

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stories that Alex brings up, and it's people who shot somebody and then said they were

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trying to flee the Matrix in order to get an insanity plea.

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I'm not positive necessarily how these cases shook out, and how much of that was just a

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defense argument.

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Right.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Seems like something that could have been a popular defense.

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I'll toss that out.

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What if I either plead guilty, because everybody saw me do it, or I'm going to shoot my shot.

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You know, your shot, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, though, Dan.

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It's true.

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It's true.

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Gretzky.

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That's what everybody else, that's what they're saying.

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Anyway.

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Gretzky's dad.

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Dad Gretzky?

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So, yeah.

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I was excited, at least, to hear about Alex's thoughts about the Matrix.

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Sure.

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He doesn't get into them.

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Of course not.

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It's a real desert.

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I was walking around-

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Wait, this is 2003, so Reloaded hadn't even come out yet, right?

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It's about to.

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It's about to.

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I think it just came out.

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It just came out.

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That's why he's-

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Alex does say, like, I'm going to try and go see the Matrix tonight.

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Sure, sure.

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So it is out in theaters, but, yeah, Reloaded didn't just come out.

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And actually, I was going back through it, because I was looking over the plots of those

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movies and I was like, I'm not sure I saw the third one.

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This plot seems foreign to me.

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Oh, look, you could watch it again and you'd be like, I don't think this is- and then you

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would forget it tomorrow.

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I definitely saw the second one, because I remember The Architect.

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Yeah.

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Like, I remember that stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I-

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Vocabulary instead of writing?

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Hmm.

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I- sure I saw the third one, because I know if I saw the first two, I would want to finish

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it.

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Oh, the third one, you know, it's Jesus and then you move on.

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But I don't- I was reading the plot, I'm like, I don't remember that.

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Yeah, no, I think- okay, let me see if I can-

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I think I've seen the final fight scene, like, just in a YouTube video or something like

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that, but I don't think I've- I saw the plot, I'm like, I don't remember that.

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How much do you remember from the plot that you read?

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I'm going to see if I can't off the dome the third Matrix, alright?

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I remember broad strokes of it.

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Okay.

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So you can give it a try.

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Alright, here we go.

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It opens up, Neo had just passed out, because in the second one he turns out he can use

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electric powers in the real world.

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Right, right, right.

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They wake up and he's actually in the Matrix, even though he's not plugged into the Matrix.

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Because he's in the sickbay or whatever.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So then, eventually he wakes up and blah blah blah, they meet in the Matrix, they come out,

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he and what's-her-face, they both go on Trinity, they both go on a suicide mission into the

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evil place, right?

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They fly up over into the sky and they're like, ah!

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In the meantime, at Zion, the final attack is going on and all the fucking, oh no, and

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there's all these blah blah blah blah blah, and that goes on for a while.

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From what I understand, so far, so good.

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Yeah, there's a guy and he's like po cho cho cho cho, and they got these weird mech suits

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and then there's some heroic action because it's a war and it's a movie and you gotta

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do that.

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And then Neo and Trinity, they make it through, Neo and the AI are both like, hey man, this

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Agent Smith dude is fucking out of control, right?

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So the AI plugs the Neo into the AI and they're like, you better solve this fucking problem,

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right?

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So he winds up being absorbed by Agent Orange Smith after a massive, useless, pointless

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fight, and then the AI is like blowing them all up and they start over and everybody finally

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breaks the cycle and everything's cool for a while at least.

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I think that's basically it.

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Yeah.

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I'm out of breath.

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The part that when I was reading over the plot, I was like, I don't remember this at

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all.

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What's that?

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Was Neo negotiating with the robots.

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Oh, you don't remember?

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That's what I'm talking about.

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Yeah.

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And the robot's face comes out and it's all like, and the robot's mad.

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No, I don't remember that.

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It was terrible.

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I don't remember that at all.

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Yeah.

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It was weird.

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The robot AI did a lot of roaring, which seems like a weird thing for the AI to be

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into.

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No, because the AI would know what would intimidate a human.

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Yeah, but it seems like, I don't know.

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He doesn't even have eyes anymore.

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So why would you?

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He can see.

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I'm excited for the fourth one.

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That's all I'm saying.

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There's a fourth one?

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It's coming.

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That's right.

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I remember hearing that.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to watch the third one and see if I've seen it because that seemed like, I can't

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believe that was the plot.

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Oh, it's bad.

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I don't know.

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It's real bad.

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I don't know if it sounded bad on paper.

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Like it sounds bad.

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In execution?

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It does.

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In execution?

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It's bad.

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I do wonder if the, like, I don't, I don't think, I mean, I'll defend slightly reloaded.

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Like I think that's not as bad as maybe some people have said.

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I mean, there are some fun things.

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The twins were cool.

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Sure.

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They, they turned invisible for a while and then they showed up.

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That was fun.

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Yeah.

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I got to watch that third one.

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We should do that as like a live stream.

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As a live stream?

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Yeah, I'll do that.

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I'll watch the Matrix Revelations video.

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See if I actually saw it when I was younger.

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I'm in.

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Anyway, Alex doesn't get into talking about this much, but he does have some other news

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that's fresh from the Bureau desk that's in his imagination.

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Okay.

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Another saying, forget about ever capturing Saddam.

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These are all staged events.

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Saddam worked for the CIA starting in 1958.

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Looks like they gave him the amnesty deal and, uh, during the campaign, he had requested

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it and been refused it and told that if he tried to flee, he would be arrested or assassinated

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and looks like in the midst of the war over there, uh, they cut a deal and all resistance

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melted away.

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So Alex is reporting, uh, basically that, uh, you know, Saddam got an amnesty deal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh huh.

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Oh, I don't know who negotiated that one.

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I think they left a few people out of the negotiations if he got an amnesty deal.

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I think Alex negotiated this with himself.

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I think that might've been the case.

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So here on the 19th, we've got another familiar theme.

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Vladimir Putin was caught in 99 attacking his own soft targets.

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That is apartment buildings.

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Rebuildings were blown up.

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They said the Chechny and the Chechny and screamed, why would we do that and bring on

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an attack?

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No, the Russian government's doing it.

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And then Moscow police, not knowing what the other hand was doing, the left hand, not knowing

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what the right hand was doing, caught members of the FSB, the modern KGB that Putin was

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heading up for Boris Yeltsin, caught them in the building, planting hexagon explosives.

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They got the explosives, arrested them, and then they were raided by, the police station

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was raided in Moscow by paramilitary forces from the KGB slash FSB GRU.

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So here's the thing.

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When Alex talks about these ideas that he has about Putin, he is not talking about just

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like, I have a vague sense that that guy's bad.

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No, no, no, no.

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He's talking about things that are concrete events that he knows to be true.

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Now, for him to change his position on this, he needs to show his work.

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He needs to explain why is that no longer true?

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Right, right.

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Were you wrong here or did these events, do you have a new explanation for all of this?

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Sure, yeah.

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And he doesn't ever do that.

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He just sort of switches.

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And it's nuts to me to go back and listen to this and see just how consistently it is

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just like, fucking Putin, he's false flagging around.

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Yeah, it would be ironic if what seems to be one of the main pillars of his everything

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is a false flag thing, because these are documented events where you're like, yeah, Putin did

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that shit.

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So his main evidence that you can follow up on is now not at all mentioned and wiped away,

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despite the fact that he still claims that everything is a false flag.

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Just not that.

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That's strange.

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It would be ironic if you weren't aware that he's just a psycho, that none of this matters,

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and he's going to use whatever he feels like using however he feels like using it.

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So it's completely within his character.

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And this also seems a bit more like what you would expect from somebody who's like this

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anti-communist crusader type, you know, like Russia and China are evil, as opposed to like,

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ah, China's evil, but Russia's actually really cool.

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Yeah, Russia's pretty sweet.

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Yeah, I don't know, it's, I want to learn more about this.

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I like how they keep those women from talking in churches, it makes me feel good.

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I want to learn more about this, but I don't really know much more than Alex will not stop

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talking about Putin blowing up the apartment buildings in 2003.

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There's not really a lot more, like sort of detail to it, but I'm keeping my eyes open

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and I'll let you know if anything comes up.

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In a very short, has he already been on RT a bunch, or is this, is like in a very short

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period of time he will go on RT a bunch?

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I'm not sure when he started appearing on that, I know he does after this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I would imagine after.

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I doubt he hasn't been on yet.

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I doubt they're like, eh, let's see what Alex has to say today.

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I would guess not.

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So Alex is another guest at this point, it's Dennis Cuddy, he's another conspiracy New

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World Order guy.

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I love his kids' music.

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Basically, Kid Cuddy?

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I like his wife, Dr. Cuddy, from House of Beads.

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There we go.

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There we go.

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Now you're playing the game.

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So he's on for like the rest of the show and it's just rambling about basic ass New World

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Order conspiracy talking points.

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It's a lot of the same stuff we covered in the Endgame documentary and it bored the hell

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out of me.

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That said, it's a far cry from the content that Alex produces these days.

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This is at very least a show that's striving to be about an alleged conspiracy.

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It goes off track pretty regularly, it provides horrible information, and it ignores stories

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in favor of headlines, but huge chunks of time are devoted to talking about a vague

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unsourced accusation about like the Bilderberg Group and Bohemian Grove.

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So we're not going to talk too much about this interview, but there is one very important

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moment.

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Mic down for this.

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They used facilitators through various Delphi techniques to do this, and Edward Bernays,

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who was hired by William Paley in 1928 as his chief advisor with CBS, wrote a book called

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Propaganda.

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And in that book he said, we're like an invisible government, we know how to manipulate you,

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and at the end he says, sort of like Ross Perot, he says, we need a businessman politician

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type to say, I must lead the people, am I not their servant?

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Here's what you say you want, and it's really facilitated.

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Please continue.

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Alex is eating.

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Alex is eating!

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I'd not heard that in 2003.

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Please continue.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is clearly eating there, but also that also is funny.

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Love your stuff, keep growing, keep growing.

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Also the content of that is pretty funny.

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Yeah, that he's, it's kind of funny that I already brought up advertising and psychology

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and then 20 minutes later he's like, Edward Bernays!

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And also the businessman leader.

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Yeah, that one is hard to look away from.

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Yeah.

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Alex should listen to some of his old episodes, I think he would be horrified.

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So a caller calls in, he and Cuddy take calls, and one of the things that I noticed actually

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when I was listening to this is like, Cuddy is old school, like with his New World Order

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stuff.

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He has the, all the talking points that you'd expect to hear on old time New World Order

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conspiracy shows, and I was like, this guy, I bet he knows Bill Cooper.

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And so I was looking through the Hour of the Time archives, and he's been on, like back

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in 96 he was on Hour of the Time, like yep, that checks out.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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I wonder what he does for a day job.

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I think he writes books, probably goes on speaking things, I don't know.

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How do you get that scam?

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Anyway, there's a caller who calls in, and Alex has reported that Saddam Hussein has

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got a plea deal.

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Sure.

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And this caller says that one of our old friends, Joel Skousen, is reporting on something a

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little bit different.

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Skoulnik is reported by Joel Skousen as saying that Saddam Hussein has been moved and is

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located now in the side of the United States.

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Well, the evidence from the evidence, John, the evidence shows that he was probably taken

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down to Russia.

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They probably gave him the amnesty deal in the middle of the fight, they can still try

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a double though, so look out.

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So this is the first reference I've had to someone bringing up Skousen, which is interesting,

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that it's taken, you know, we're 19 days into the month of, you know, where we begin in

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2003, and you know, such a familiar face in other periods of time, and this is the first

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reference to him.

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And he thinks that Saddam's in the United States, Alex says nah nah nah nah nah, Russia.

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So they're both wrong.

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Oh man, these guys, these guys, and also that ending of just leaving it open for, now there

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could also be a double cross, you never know, anything could be true.

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Right now the evidence of which I have none is all pointing towards this place that I

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just made up, so there we go.

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So you have, you have Cuddy, who's been on in the month of May 2003 already, and you

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also had Colonel Craig Roberts, who was on, who's been on before, so you have some familiar

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faces starting to, like, appear to be there, but none of the familiar faces that we know.

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You know, I haven't seen any mention of Steve Pechenik, I haven't heard anything about Joel

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Skousen, well I guess we just got some Skousen, but Paul Craig Roberts, you know, couple of

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other folks who were like, Webster Tarpley, these kinds, Jerome Corsi, these folks are

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not figures in Alex's world at this point, or at least have not made themselves known.

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There's another person who also has not made himself known yet, and I found it very confusing

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that this is the first mention I've seen of him.

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Yes, very good show today, my question's a little bit off topic, but I was wondering

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if either one of you happen to know what might have happened to Bob Chapman, the gold expert?

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No, I don't.

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No, I don't know.

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What?

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We've had Bob on as a guest, but he's still writing his newsletters, basically he's been

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criticizing the bankers and they're a little bit angry with him, but go ahead.

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Okay, that was basically my question.

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So I find it very curious that Alex takes this tone when this caller brings up Bob

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Chapman.

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For those who haven't heard the episodes covering other periods of time, Bob Chapman is one

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of Alex's most regular guests for a stretch of years leading up to his death in 2012.

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He's an alleged precious metals expert who Alex used as a scene partner when doing extended

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commercials for Midas Resources, the gold sales company that syndicated Alex's show.

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Also, Bob claims to have been invited to a screening of a film of Ronald Reagan getting

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pegged.

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True.

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For years, Bob was on Alex's show every Friday.

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Outside of people who host the fourth hour, it's tough for me to think of anyone else

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who had what amounts to basically a standing engagement on Alex's schedule.

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To hear Alex saying he doesn't know what's up with him and sounding like he doesn't want

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to talk about it in 2003 is really weird.

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Things get even weirder when you consult issues of his newsletter, The International Forecaster,

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from back in 2003.

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They're not all available online, but there are two that I could find from 2003, January

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2003, and even back then, Bob clearly had a working relationship with Midas Resources.

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Quote, special offer, you may also order it, and it's in reference to the book The Beast

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from Jekyll Island, by calling Midas Resources Incorporated.

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Midas Resources will give you a silver dollar from the early 1900s, a $12 value, just for

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purchasing the book at its normal price of $19.95.

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It seems clear to me that this business relationship with Midas is intact at this point, even prior

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to this episode that we're listening to now, so whatever weird energy Alex is giving off,

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it seems like it's probably personal.

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I read over Bob's newsletters to see if I could find any reasons that Alex might not

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want to associate with him at this point.

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I'm not sure if I see anything.

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In one of his January issues, he predicts an imminent return of the gold standard in

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the United States because of the war in the Middle East.

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What a surprise that he would want or predict that.

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Yeah.

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The war is going to put pressure on economies, you know, that's fairly standard kind of stuff,

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you know, you could see Alex not disagreeing with that.

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He does say, quote, the Muslims believe they can destroy capitalism by forcing gold to

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the forefront, and we agree that this could and probably will be successful.

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Which is a little weird, but it does not seem like it's outside of Alex's wheelhouse.

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It doesn't seem like you'd burn a bridge over that.

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What a wild thing to think slash even wilder to say.

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Uh-huh.

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Some of the next issues that I could find were from July 2003, and honestly, it just

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kind of sounds like a transcript of something Alex might say at some point in his life.

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Quote, all we can say is buy gold and silver coins and shares as fast as possible.

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The ship is sinking and there's no sense in drowning with the rest of the idiots.

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Incidentally, exercise your constitutional rights and legally arm yourself and your families

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to the teeth.

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Whoa.

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This isn't going to be nice.

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Jesus Christ, I just want to buy some gold, man.

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The only thing I can find in there that I could see Alex being pissed off about is that

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Bob advises his readers to buy gold and silver, but if they have to invest in currency that

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they are going to hide, they should favor the euro or Swiss franc to the US dollar.

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I could see Alex thinking this was bad-mouthing the dollar like the treasury secretary was.

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Yeah, that would make sense.

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I don't know, but that's the only thing that stuck out to me as like, eh, Alex would not

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like that.

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You should always favor the dollar if you're going to favor currencies, especially not

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the fucking euro.

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It does seem that when they say, like, what happened to Bob, what they're suggesting is

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like Bob went off the rails somewhere and saying that the dollar isn't the single greatest

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thing in the world is probably, that's probably enough.

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All fiat currencies are evil, but if there must be one, you have to protect the world

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reserve currency status of the dollar.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I don't know.

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I could see that being, and I did also get that sense that like something had happened.

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There was some problem.

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I can't get any sense of like what that's in reference to, but it could be that.

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Yeah, because Bob can't get out of pocket, you know, like Bob is expendable.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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Maybe not.

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He saw a video of Reagan.

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That's fair.

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Incidentally, Bob Chapman's newsletter is definitely, without a doubt, written by Bob

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Chapman.

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You know, there's a lot of these folks who have these newsletters that are like, I don't

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know, someone just writes it, my name's on it, like Ron Paul.

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Bob cannot claim that.

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He calls people who don't take his financial advice idiots, and he's basically just fucking

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with his readers, quote, don't forget, as interest rates go back up to say 7 or 8 percent,

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you will lose money on the value of bonds unless you buy at par and hold to maturity.

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Most of you may be dead by then.

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We don't have all the answers, but this is the way we see it.

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We've been making these kinds of decisions for 43 years, so we guess this qualifies us

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to voice our opinion.

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It's outrageous stuff.

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Considering this is like, it's supposed to be a financial advice newsletter, not a, you're

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all gonna die.

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Put a hundred dollars in gold and die, idiot.

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Yeah.

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Whatever, it's life or death.

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Bury some Swiss francs and get a gun.

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Yeah, what are you doing?

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Why is this good financial advice?

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Yeah, I have no idea what happened to the two of them, but it's an open question that

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I'm excited to learn more about as we proceed.

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But we see him later on.

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Yeah, I know.

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We see him in 2009 at least, you know?

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No, definitely.

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Yeah.

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So I know that there is some sort of a coming back together, and I'm gonna guarantee that

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at no point do they discuss what their differences were on there and hash it out.

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No, absolutely not.

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No, no, no, no.

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But I wonder if I'll be able to learn more, like if another caller calls in and brings

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up specifics or something, I'm gonna keep my eye open on this one.

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So one of the other things that I'm tracking very closely, trying to understand, is whether

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or not Alex Jones believes he's fighting the literal devil in 2003.

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True.

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We know in the present day he believes that the devil is the head of the globalist conspiracy.

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That he's speaking to him extra-dimensionally or being possessed by demons.

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True.

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I'm not entirely sure if that is the case in 2003.

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So every time there's some kind of an indication of something, I like to bring it to the forefront.

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And I don't know if this says anything about Alex, but Cuddy definitely believes in literal

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biblical prophecy.

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Hey, alright!

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New York is defined in the federal regulations as the United Nations.

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And when Rudolph Giuliani stated on C-PAN that we're the capital of the world, yeah,

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New York City was the capital of the world, end quote, he was correct.

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And that is found at CFR chapter 111.

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Dr. Cuddy, any comments to what he's saying?

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Well, even taking that one step further, in terms of just biblical end times, you know

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Revelation 18 and what happens there, and it has to be a port city, and everybody says

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New York, and everybody says, well, that was the World Trade Center.

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I don't think so, because when you get around verse 22, remember it says, and a candle would

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be seen no more, and that would be symbolic of the Statue of Liberty.

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Okay.

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So something may be coming up.

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Thank you very much.

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Amazing information.

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So Alex doesn't necessarily jump in with him in the, let's decode, end times.

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Revelation, yeah.

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But he's also like, oh, that's amazing information, that, you know, like, he's encouraging of

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it in the guest, but he's not engaging in it himself.

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I find that interesting.

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Yeah.

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It does seem like he's, I mean, from what we've seen, he's allowed other people.

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He's platforming a hell of a lot of it.

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He's platformed a lot of biblical talk, but he's always been reticent to jump in on his

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own and really give people a full throated, hell yeah, Revelations 18 is how we're going

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to get through this, you know.

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He does seem to be walking that line a little bit.

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So Cuddy takes off after a very long interview, and Alex gets down to business.

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I'm going to go see the film Matrix.

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It's got its new age message, the paper here in Austin, and the entertainment pages said

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it's a new religion in America.

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Well, it's not new, it's Hindu or slash Buddhism or whatever, but.

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So you haven't seen the movie yet, oh my god, but it's Hindu slash Buddhism or whatever.

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But also, maybe, it's designed to make people kill.

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I've got a London Guardian story about it, Times of London article, US killers blame

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Matrix after random shootings, Matrix firms, films blamed for series of murders by obsessed

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fans.

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There are films that use triggers to go out there, but the government doesn't even have

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to brainwash you now in person.

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Certain susceptible minds who are programming through the culture with your big TV heads

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can be activated.

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I'm not saying the Matrix does that.

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We know they have these technologies.

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We know there's key indicators in it.

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We know that some of the things that Chief Moose said, you know, the duck is in the noose

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or whatever is a known trigger, and then Malvo and the other guys show up, the Hamid show

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up.

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It goes on and on, but I don't like to speculate, but I'll tell you what I've seen if I get

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a chance to see it tonight.

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I don't like to speculate.

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Slap!

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Slap!

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All I'm doing is-

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Slap, sir!

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I speculate wildly, but man, I don't like it.

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I pull out my white glove.

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Don't be like me saying, I don't like to check into things Alex says, but I seem to do it

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a lot.

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Frankly, I'm honestly a very quiet person.

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I think people have recognized that for a long time.

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I don't like to be loud.

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It's your natural tendencies.

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I don't like to be loud.

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So, on this 19th, this May 19th episode, we have one last clip, and this is literally

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the only mention of the Ba'ath Party that I heard at all, and I should say that we are

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now past the point where the policy of de-Ba'athification has been openly announced, and there are people

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who are coming out and speaking about getting rid of all party members within government

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and such, and here's Alex's take on that.

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When there's more tyranny than ever, they're putting the Ba'ath Party back into control

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while giving speeches that they aren't.

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Ooh, nice.

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It's an incredible line.

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Well done.

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So there we go.

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Way to sidestep that one.

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Just walk outside.

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Oh, that train is coming to hit me.

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Excuse me.

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Step aside.

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Don't care.

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Whee!

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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This isn't going to work for long.

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I guess it's fine now on the 19th.

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Yeah, for like a day.

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It buys you some time, but this is not going to be the way that...

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This isn't going to pass the smell test for very long.

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No.

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No.

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I think we'll probably get...

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As thousands of people are removed from their posts, it's going to be tougher to be like,

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ah, they're still in there.

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Yeah.

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I think we're going to get more in-depth into this stuff in the coming days of 2003, because

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I think that Alex is going to have to try and wiggle a bit, and I'm interested to see

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how that plays out.

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There's actually a couple of really compelling threads that I'm starting to see in 2003 that

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I really want to learn more about.

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One is the anti-Putin stuff.

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Two is the de-bathification.

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Three is Alex and Bob Chapman.

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Right.

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Well, I mean, and you can just expand that out too, like side characters.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What's our legion of doom here?

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Well, it's like, I don't know, you're playing a sequel to a video game or a prequel, and

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the main character's the same, but maybe they're in a different place, and so you have a different

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NPC character.

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Sure, sure.

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And different side characters.

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It's like the cube.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and I'm wondering where the old friends are and who these new people are, and so,

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you know, I enjoy, I'm enjoying this a bit more, and I want to continue it, and I want

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to learn more.

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Do you mean you're enjoying learning and discovering new things like you always have, and now that

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you're in the present where we are rarely learning anything and often discovering the

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same things daily, this is new and exciting for you?

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Yeah, kind of.

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Oh, that sounds right.

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There's at least interesting context and things to discuss, whereas I think in the present

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day most episodes that I do end up could just be like, he didn't read this, he doesn't know.

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Dumb, dumb.

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So we get to the 20th, and Alex, I was hoping, had seen The Matrix, because you know I love

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a movie review.

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He said he was going to see it on the 19th.

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He did not go see The Matrix.

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What?

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What, did he get busy?

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Yeah, probably.

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So, but he's going to talk about it a little more.

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Okay.

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Also, Matrix Maker rejects crime links.

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We're not saying crime links, and I'm not saying crime links.

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Some have said mind control trigger links.

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Duh!

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Bunch of idiots.

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This is Alex correcting the record.

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Call him David Brock, because he is correcting the fucking record.

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I'm not going to let people slander me in public.

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Right, crime links, pshaw.

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How silly, how silly for someone to think that The Matrix has crime links.

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I would never.

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They control minds.

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Duh.

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There's a mind control trigger link.

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Duh.

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Right.

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Jesus.

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Now the trigger makes you commit crime.

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These plebes, I'm telling you, stay out of my business.

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Anyway, Alex has a guest on.

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Sure.

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And this is a wild guest for Alex to have on for a number of reasons.

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This could never have happened in any other period of time.

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Okay.

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And it doesn't go super well, but this guy named Noah Schackman, who has an article in

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Wired that had just come out about a DARPA program, we'll talk about it a little bit

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more, but Alex distorts some of the ideas around surveillance and such in order to introduce

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Noah.

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It's a new level of corruption, we're all prisoners, the kids are thumb scanning to

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get school lunches in thousands of school districts, the thumb scanners are going in

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the banks, going in the grocery stores, going in everywhere.

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It's total.

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It's 180 degrees from what America's supposed to be, and they say it's to stop terror while

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the borders are wide open and while the feds are starting to accept in 800 plus cities

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the fake IDs of illegals from Poland to Mexico.

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And Noah Schackman is on the air with us.

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Noah, thanks for coming on the show today, sir.

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Thanks for having me.

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This is, there's no way to really understate this.

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This is, or overstate this, I should say, this is, this is scary.

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I'm going to guess that if you were to find Noah Schackman today and ask what he thinks

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about having been a guest on Alex's show, you might not get an answer, because at this

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point in 2003, Schackman worked at Wired, but now in 2021, he's currently the editor

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in chief of the Daily Beast, an outlet that Alex screams about quite often for their very

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cruel coverage of the stupid things he says and does.

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Wow!

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Yeah.

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That is a career path.

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That is a career path.

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Yeah.

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He's on the show because he wrote an article in Wired about early possible plans from DARPA

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to create a project called LifeLog, which would seek to compile all available data on

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individuals to be able to tell the story of their lives.

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It was outrageously fucked up as an idea, and it did not end up coming to pass for a

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number of reasons.

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One was probably public backlash, but another was probably the unfeasibility of creating

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a system that would be able to do this in any meaningful, usable way.

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Yeah.

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Now the NSA just grabs our metadata.

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Duh.

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This is beyond that, though, with the conception of what this LifeLog thing would be.

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The primary sourcing on the program was a solicitation from DARPA for people to make

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proposals on how to create this program that they had the name for and an idea of what

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they wanted it to do, but not much else.

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This is to say that there wasn't a program they were testing, they were requesting people

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to put in bids to create a program to do some pretty overly ambitious and overly fucked

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up things.

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America, the Pentagon deserves your money.

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As I understand it from the way Noah describes it, the way they were hoping to start some

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of this research was to have researchers themselves do mock trips, places, and see if this program

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that they had created could log their physical movements, their transactions, and stuff like

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that.

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Sure.

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And it did not work out.

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Yeah, no, and also that's astonishingly fucked up.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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Wow.

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I can understand how someone might look at, like, boy, that would be really helpful in

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criminal investigations, and I don't disagree, probably would be.

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Sure, sure.

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No, it would make it very easy.

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The fact of it existing has a lot of other ramifications that I don't think.

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There would be some problems.

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I think that they would outweigh it on the seesaw.

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I would say that if you're looking at that program as a positive, you are wearing rose-tinted

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glasses at the very least.

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Yeah.

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The point is, government surveillance is a real issue that is taken seriously by serious

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people, and it appears that Noah is one of them.

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I suspect that he accepted this booking because in 2003, no one really knew how not serious

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Alex is, and how Alex will take any opportunity to use Noah's credibility to advance nonsense

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exaggerations of his underlying reporting.

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And that's all that's going on here.

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And I think Noah's polite.

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I will say that.

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Okay.

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And I think Alex is trying to red pill him.

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That sounds right.

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The National Association of Banks up in Minnesota, they're doing it.

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Now even if you have an account, they're going to want you to thumb scan.

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Yeah, you know, like I said, I don't know about that particular program, but I know

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that there's definitely an overall effort to make that happen.

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Well, that makes the cash digital, and basically a part of a digital system.

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You know, there's already RFID tags in the money.

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I know, I wasn't worried about that.

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Yeah, radio frequency identifiers have been in for six years, and the Federal Reserve

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says if you don't keep your money in the bank, they're going to devalue it off those tags.

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So what I'm telling you is this is maybe a lot further along than you knew, sir.

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Yeah, you know, it could be.

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So there's just like...

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That's more polite than I would have been when he's like, you know, there's already

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RFID in the money.

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I'd have been like, fuck you.

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And they're going to devalue it?

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Fuck you.

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How does that work?

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If you don't put it in the bank.

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How?

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Wait, but how would that work?

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So this hundred dollar bill that I have...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The RFID chip is going to take a zero off of it.

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Wait, wait, so I try and use it, and it's only worth like $97 because I've had it for

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too long?

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You've had it for too long.

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There's also a little ticking timer on it.

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How does this work?

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How does this work?

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You're just renting money by the hour.

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Is it possible that what the system would be is that if too many people have too many

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hundred dollar bills out, then all hundred dollar bills will be devalued?

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Oh, almost some sort of inflation.

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Like if there's too much of something, it's like it goes and then it dilutes the overall

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value.

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I don't know how the RFID chips would be necessary for that.

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It seems like they would be extraneous.

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Anyway, he's very polite, and Alex starts talking about the finger scanning at the grocery

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store that you're going to need to do, and it's like, you know, it's the extension of

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self-checkout lanes, and of course, as Alex always does when he talks about this, he's

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like, then I'm going to have to bag my own groceries.

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Now that's not really a problem, but it seems like he's not happy about it.

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Oh man.

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This leads to a little bit of a disagreement.

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Okay.

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I mean, the Biometric Consortium and the grocery stores say they want to pull all the check

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out lanes out and make you self-serve and thumb scan, and I mean, I don't want to bag

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my own groceries.

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That's a more low level threat here, and they're going to put in thumb scan and check out lanes

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and then pull out the other ones and make you do it.

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That's the plan.

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We're only a few years away from this.

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Well, I think on this point, I'll agree to disagree with you here.

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I don't see this as necessarily a job killer, but I do see it as a really invasive intrusion

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into our lives.

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Well, what I'm saying is, sir, they pull out three checkout lanes of 10, put in biometric

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ones, self-checkout, then they pull out all the rest of the lanes and make you check your

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own stuff out.

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They're saying they're going to do this.

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Right.

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Well, I haven't seen that, but even assuming that's true, the biometric part is a little

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is nerve wracking to me, but bagging my own groceries doesn't bug me that much.

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Jesus.

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Yeah.

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That's so funny.

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That's so funny.

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He's coming here to talk about the plan that DARPA has to try and log every aspect of a

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human life and then expand that to every human on the planet.

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And Alex comes back with, I'm going to have to bag my own groceries, man.

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I'm not positive, actually, even from reading that-

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Wired article.

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No, the solicitation for bids.

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Oh, sure.

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I'm not even positive necessarily that the plan was ever to make it for everyone.

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Sure, sure.

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Because I think that that even, I don't even think that they would think that was possible.

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No, of course not.

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I think it was something that could be abused.

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Yeah, wow.

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Were it to exist?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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The article that Noah wrote, Noah Shachman wrote in Wired, is a discussion of this, a

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discussion of the moral implications, people even within the sort of technological community

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being worried about this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Problem.

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And it's an actual article.

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And then he goes on Alex's show ostensibly to talk about it.

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Right.

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And this is what ends up happening.

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Hey, I'm going to have to bag my own groceries.

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I'm a serious person.

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I have to put my thumb on the groceries.

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I gotta go.

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And then it's going to unlock them, and that's how you have to get groceries now, and I have

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to put them in my own bags.

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Another thing that is a concern of both serious people and Alex is drones.

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And there is also relevant conversations around that that don't involve Infowars stuff.

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And Noah brings up drones.

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Are the drones going to bring my groceries to me?

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That's not the context of this.

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Okay.

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But this is how the interview ends.

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Okay.

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There's some really creepy uses for drones domestically.

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Well, it's like They Live where the little drone flies up.

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It even looks the same.

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I'm sorry.

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What'd you say?

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You ever seen They Live?

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Uh, They Live.

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That's what the, uh, the, uh, rowdy, uh, Roddy Piper movie.

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Yeah.

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That's the John Carpenter film.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's great.

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The drones even look the same.

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Is that right?

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I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

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We got one that can see.

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Maybe you can see, uh, Noah.

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Thanks for joining us.

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Okay.

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Thanks much.

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I just, I just want more.

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I want more of that on my regular news.

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I want more of like at the end of a very serious interview with a fucking general or some bullshit

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that I'm just being like, Hey, you know, real quick, have you seen They Live recently?

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That's kind of a pretty good movie.

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Yeah.

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I think it's a lot of fun and I wish Alex would have swung harder and been like, did

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you know that the Matrix is a mind control trigger?

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Totally.

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Uh, what?

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Go for it.

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Once you open the can of worms, I want you to get to Matrix mind control.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has another guest on after this and it's a guy named Rick Adams, uh, who's a talk

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show host out of Rhode Island.

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I believe Alex has been welcomed on his show.

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And so now, uh, the, the, the favor is repaid.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Uh, Alex keeps referring to this station W A L E as a, uh, I think it's like a 50 megawatt

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blow torch.

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Oh no.

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He says that like five times.

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Yeah.

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Somebody, somebody gave him that and he went crazy.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Um, their credibility is up.

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Rick.

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I remember 10 years ago, you remember back further than that, but a Patriots talking

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about everything that's now happening today and that now what's happened is our credibility

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has exploded because over the years, people heard us warn them about all this.

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Now they've seen it happening.

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So our credibility has skyrocketed.

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Absolutely.

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You know, when I was in college, you know, a lot of people thought I was the nut and

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now generations later or decades later, I meet one or two of my friends from college

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and they say exactly what you've just said, Rick, I apologize.

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I thought you were the nut.

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I was the nut.

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I didn't believe because I didn't want to believe, but everything you said was going

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to happen did in fact happen.

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So you're right, Alex.

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So yeah, this dude's a conservative talk show host in Rhode Island.

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I'm not sure how wide his syndication was, but I don't know.

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He just seems like a kind of like a John Birch society dude.

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Sounds like it.

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I don't know.

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I don't, I don't find him all that interesting.

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However, what is interesting is that mentality that they're expressing and it's kind of

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like a mantra for propagandists and conspiracy theorists.

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I've heard Alex say exactly this same sort of thing in the present day.

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I've heard him say it five years ago.

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He says this all the time.

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This like our credibility is through the roof because everything we've said has come true.

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The reason this rhetoric is used is because it's not about credibility or track records

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or predictions.

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None of these concepts are even real in the game that's being played on these shows.

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The goal is to tap into the audience's feelings and provide them with psychological comfort.

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They all have memory of someone thinking that they were crazy for their conspiracy beliefs

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and it makes people feel better to have their supposed expert hero give voice to those feelings.

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But importantly to put them in the past.

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You were right to believe me all along, we're on the other side of it now.

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This supposed story about Rick's friends from college apologizing for doubting him,

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that didn't happen.

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That story is constructed to give the audience hope that if they hold strong to their fringe-ass

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nonsense, eventually they too will have everyone in their lives apologizing to them for being

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too afraid to accept the truth.

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You see this really consistently in these sorts of communities, like it's rampant

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and QAnon conversations that you see of like, you know, fantasizing about the day that everyone

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will admit that they were right all along.

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It's weird.

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And it can't possibly be like, everyone thought we were wrong but we keep being right and

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so our credibility is through the roof.

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It can't be right in 2003 and 2020.

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No.

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Like it can't be right at both times.

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And then it also can't be right in all those intervening years when I've heard him say

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it.

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Do people just constantly forget about how credible you are?

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I mean it seems like he's creating a like sign wave of credibility that just goes up

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and down depending on the year or the day or whatever, you know, like today our credibility

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is through the roof and then tomorrow our credibility is way way down, you know, like

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what are you talking about?

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Yeah, same with like the globalists are winning, oh no they're losing, oh no they're back

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to winning!

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Oh god, oh that's terrifying.

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So Rick, I was wondering about him, and you know, he's very much in line with Alex's beliefs,

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two of them are simpatico, and I was wondering, hey does this dude think he's fighting demons?

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What type of world from your studies, Rick, do the globalists want to build?

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Well I have to go back to a biblical perspective, and I know this turns off some people, but

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I have to say it because I'm not a phony and I'm like yourself, I tell it like it is.

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We're dealing with, as the scripture says, forces of evil in this world today.

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We're not wrestling, as the apostles said, under, you know, delusion that we're fighting

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flesh and bones.

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We wrestle against powers and principalities of evil, Alex.

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Now I want to say Alex does not respond to that comment at all.

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So again, he's platforming somebody who has like a sort of fundamentalist belief, a Christian

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belief in the war that they're fighting that is presumably political in nature is actually

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against principalities of evil.

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Demons.

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Yeah.

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I furrow my brow at you, Dan.

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Why?

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Because I want Alex to fucking weigh in and I'm sick of this teasing bullshit.

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Yeah I know, I'm a little bit frustrated with it too.

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But again, it's another interesting thread that exists in this period of time that we

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now have the ability to learn more about and unravel.

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And I find that really compelling.

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So weird.

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It's so weird.

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When?

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Why?

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Why was it not acceptable then?

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I mean, I guess it must have been a strategy for him then.

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And maybe that strategy- That's a conclusion you could jump to and

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I'm not entirely sure if it's correct, but it feels like what's going on.

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Totally.

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It seems like it has to be, something is going on, but it frustrates me because that sounds

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like I'm making a conspiracy theory about something going on, but something has to be

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going on.

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But that's why we need to learn more and gather more information and evidence.

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Of course.

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The stuff that some of these other folks are saying isn't too far from what Alex says in

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the current day.

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Of course Alex yells more and talks more grossly and graphically about stuff.

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But it's not too far off in terms of the, we're fighting demons.

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But Alex stays away from it himself for the most part.

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Which that's why it seems like a strategic decision because he's still booking these

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people that he knows who Rick Adams is.

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He probably knows this element of his belief and he's comfortable with him expressing it.

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He's just not talking the way he would in the present day.

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He would pray on air in the present day.

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No.

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And I mean, with those types of people, you've always got a time to Bible reference.

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So it's not like he's been talking to this dude off air for, you know, weeks and they

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just have never had the Bible come up.

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Like these people have, okay, if you are talking to me within a 30 minute stretch, you're gonna

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hear about the Bible.

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There's a real good chance.

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There's a real good chance.

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And it doesn't matter what we're talking about.

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Sports, it's going to be the Bible.

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It doesn't matter.

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You know?

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So we have a couple clips left from the 20th and they take some calls.

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Him and Rick.

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And again, this is the other thing too that was really wild.

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Like Cuddy is on for almost two hours as a guest.

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Rick is on for a really long time.

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And I thought like, like this is long for an Alex interview and it's because they're

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like just like right on the same page in terms of those new world order basics and the conspiracies.

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He can just have them co-host with you while you take phone calls and stuff and it, again,

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it's another thing that feels more like, well, this is what this radio show is trying to

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be.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And, oh, also did not get into whether or not demons are what we're fighting with Shachman.

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No Shachman.

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I'm going to guess he doesn't think that.

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I don't know.

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That would be a, that would be a twist.

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That would be a nice little twist for us.

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So like in the Matrix.

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Oh, and the third one when they negotiate with the robots.

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We still don't remember that.

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Yeah.

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So Alex takes this call and this is awesome.

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I don't even know how to set it up other than that.

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Okay.

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This is awesome.

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Okay.

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Alex, what happened with your deal when you went down to do your license and they asked

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you to thumb scan and wasn't there some kind of an uproar?

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What ended, what became of all this?

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See the video in a Mariner get destroyed by design.

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You ever seen that footage?

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No, I've, I've, uh, seen Masters of Terror just last week.

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We picked that up really enjoy it.

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My mom wants to use it at her church in Wisconsin.

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Well, I suggest as a primer road to tyranny is the best we've got the production wise,

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but I would suggest you get that one.

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They're all great.

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Were you able to get around the thumb scan?

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No, they have a waiver.

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Some people have gotten it.

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They will not give it to you and will refuse it.

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I could sue them, but then I wouldn't have time to be on the radio six, seven hours a

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day.

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Right.

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Like tonight I'm going to be on Jeff.

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I'll be filling in for somebody for two hours today or locally.

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I mean, I'm just working all the time.

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So fucking funny.

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This is one of Alex's biggest early publicity stunts, and you could argue that it's the

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closing segment, the like the big piece in his documentary, America Destroyed by Design.

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Alex brings in a bunch of cameras when he goes to the Austin DMV to go get a new driver's

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license knowing that the process requires a fingerprint.

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He brings along eight forms of identification and insists he shouldn't have to provide a

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fingerprint to which the people at the DMV say you do.

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Alex starts yelling about how Bill Clinton wants his blood and urine next and asking

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if the DMV workers are going to stick a needle in him.

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It's a petulant display and it's a real sign of the sort of publicity stunts that would

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come to characterize his career moving forward.

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It's so hilarious that at the end of this story, he just went back without the cameras

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and gave the fingerprint to get his driver's license because I know he has a driver's license.

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He got a DUI a few months back.

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Of course he does.

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He didn't get a driving without a license charge.

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That is so infuriating.

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It's exactly like Alex.

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It's Alex to a T.

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Well, I mean, I need a new ID, so I guess I'll go get it.

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I'll give you my thumb.

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Right.

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I will go and I will take this stand and yell while there's cameras running and get attention

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and incite people into a frenzy about these supposed political beliefs and these like,

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I am standing up for all the people, you know, and then, you know, I need to drive.

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I will die on this hill two days later.

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Listen, I'm real sorry about that.

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Yeah.

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That's my bad.

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And then when a caller calls in and asks, he's like, yeah, you can get around it, but

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like, I don't know.

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It's really hard.

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I gotta be on the radio.

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I can't sue people.

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I work.

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I have a job.

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What am I going to do?

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Hire a lawyer to do it for me while I work?

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No, I have to do all of my own lawsuits.

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What am I supposed to do?

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The hard work of having a principled stand?

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Exactly, yes.

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No.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hire a principled stand.

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Do you have time to have principles?

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Because then do it.

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I don't care.

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What?

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What, you don't have a job?

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Fine.

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Go have principles outside.

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Yeah.

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Crazy.

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What a coward.

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So Alex gets a call from an HEB manager, and this has to do with more of his ideas

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about waivers and what have you.

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Sure.

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So this manager is bringing up that at her place of work, they are now talking about

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bringing in a scanner, like a fingerprint scanner, for the time clock.

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This is different than the idea of a checkout lane that's connected to your credit card

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and what have you.

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Oh, man.

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But Alex says that this is the beginning of bringing in the...

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Sure, sure.

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Whatever.

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Anyway, the manager wants to ask Alex about ways that she can fight back and not use this

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system.

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And Alex's advice is so Alex that it's almost laughable.

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Here's my thing.

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I need to know what is my defense, not to give them my fingerprint.

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Well, tell them it's a religious reason.

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Tell them that you've been a good employee, always clocked in, not had a problem.

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Tell them that you're not gonna be part of this, and if they give you problems, I think

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you're gonna have a civil rights lawsuit on religious reasons.

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We need to do things like that.

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Okay.

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What about you?

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And is there any place you can recommend, like on the web or a certain spot in the library

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that I should look to research this stuff and what my rights are and that I can use

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as a defense to our...

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InfoWars.com.

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I can't even think of what I can...

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Well, that's a whole section of study, but it's a whole section of study, but the religious

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exemption for religious reasons, you're against that, you should be able to do something there.

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Find out more, tell me as it progresses, and I appreciate the call.

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I really do, Billy.

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I've got a ton of calls and I wish you guys ought to call me back tomorrow or tonight

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or next week so I can talk to you more.

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We're just up against the gun here.

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He's not up against the gun.

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He has plenty of...

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He takes more calls.

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But yeah, there's no advice.

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There's nothing.

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There's no specific reference that he can give her to help her better navigate this

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struggle that he wants her to engage in, and his advice is essentially make up a religious

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exemption.

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Yep.

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Use religion as a prop.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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There's no part of like, here is what is violated in this religious belief.

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Here is the reason.

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Like dietary restrictions, you know, make sense as a religious exemption in various

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settings.

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I keep kosher.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Whatever you want.

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That makes sense.

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And there are other things, sort of opposition to war, being a conscientious objector makes

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total sense.

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This, I don't know, I mean I guess what he would do is say Mark of the Beast or something

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like that.

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Sure, sure.

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You're going to scream Mark of the Beast.

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I guess that would be the direction that it would go, but I don't know if that really

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would stand up to scrutiny.

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And it's, to me, indicative of how Alex engages with a lot of religious beliefs.

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It's a prop.

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Yeah.

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It's use it to your advantage to do the things that you don't want to do and not have to

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do the things you don't want to do.

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Or justify the things.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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And no, I will not tell you where to look into this.

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I mean, how could you possibly expect somebody to win a religious exemption lawsuit if there's

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a clip of you saying, make up a religious exemption for this?

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To be fair, I just want to be totally clear, that's my language that I use to make it up.

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He's not saying make it up, but that's how it is.

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He is saying make it up, you know?

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He's saying find something in your religion that you 99% of the time either don't think

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about or don't actually believe.

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Right.

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Convince somebody that it's the most important thing to you now, suddenly, despite, again,

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never having thought about it in your entire life.

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Have these arguments very loudly on camera and then go back and stay on your fingers.

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I'll clock in.

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Sorry about that.

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My bad.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Man, it takes so much, it must be so exhausting to convince yourself that Alex isn't a giant,

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useless piece of shit.

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Like you just heard that clip, wouldn't you be like, oh, well then you're useless.

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Your entire life is meant to be fighting at the tip of the spear.

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And you are giving me advice that is nothing.

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You are the person who has more knowledge and more resources than we do as individual

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info warriors out there in the field.

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And you had a perfect situation where you had a lot of people supporting you.

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They had your back.

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You could have been the one to do this lawsuit in order to make sure that all of us could

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get our waivers and not have to give fingerprints to get a DMV, get our licenses.

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Yeah.

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Oh, but then you couldn't be on the radio all the time.

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So guess, uh, guess it's going to have to be the HEB manager with very little money.

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No time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No support.

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No cult of personality around them.

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Their responsibility.

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Yeah.

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It's a little bit, uh, you know, I mean, it's not new, but it is just a gross, uh, denial

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of the self appointed role.

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This is a grassroots movement where I exploit the grassroots.

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Okay.

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You can water the grass or you can suck all of the life out of it for every single scent

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that you can steal.

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Yep.

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Man, that was a good show.

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Anyway, uh, we come to the end of this and, and, and like, I really feel like there are

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threads that I'm fascinated by in 2003.

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I think a lot of stuff is, is, is, is coming up that I really, really want to know where

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these things go.

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And so I hope to, uh, you know, obviously I'm not going to lose track of the present

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day or ignore it entirely, but this is, this is, this is getting me, getting my juices.

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I think what it is to me, it's just so uncanny, you know, like I recognize this guy and yet

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every time I hear him talk, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy?

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You know, like it's so close to Alex, but it's just even weirder.

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Yeah.

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And we're even taking for granted like almost, uh, how like nutty it is, the, the, the position

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on Putin is so like night and day, like it's, that's outrageous.

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I can't believe how jaded we are that that completely is like almost passé to a certain,

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you know, like, oh yeah, yeah, of course he believes this then and doesn't believe that

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now.

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Like that's just boring at this point, but that's nuts.

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That's major.

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That's foundational.

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of major stuff that is, uh, is going to have to give.

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Totally.

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And then I want to know where, like, where these people are.

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Where are the, the, the experts?

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Where are the G Edward Griffin?

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Where's that dude?

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I know some of them are editor in chief of the daily beast now.

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Why isn't Alex like he's, obviously he's talking about gold a little bit, but like Midas Resources

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is selling gold at this point.

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He's not pushing gold as hard as he does in like years after this.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's interesting.

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It's confusing.

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I'm excited to learn more and we shall in the future, but until then, Jordan, we have

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a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people

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doing God's work.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I'm Daryl Rundis.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.