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N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating

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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledgefight

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knowledgefight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys

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saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler

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Need, need money

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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler

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Andy in Kansas, Andy in Kansas

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Stop it, Andy in Kansas, Andy in Kansas

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It's time to pray

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your work

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knowledgefight

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knowledgefight.com

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I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are Dan

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Jordan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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Well, my bright spot today involves looking into the old mailbags

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Yup

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Got a couple of really nice things

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First of all, also another sort of subsidiary bright spot on that

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is people responded so amazingly to the picture

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of the painting that Matt sent of Leo Zagami

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on Twitter and I just think

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so much positivity

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that's so great in being able to share that

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It's very, very fucking cool

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Just the best

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Looking at it up on the wall

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Also, another thing here in the mailbag

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zip

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I'm addicted to zip

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That was a quick zip

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It was a small mailbag

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Got an awesome package from a guy who's a great name

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Dan, over in the UK

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sent this package of candies

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Sure

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and chocolates, stuff like curly whirlies

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Yes, I'm looking at one hungrily right now

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Curly whirlies

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Marmite, that's not candy

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No

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That's a spread

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It is a spread

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I've not had a chance to try that yet

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Have you put it on hot sauce yet?

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I have not

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There's some hob knobs

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There's a lot of cool candies from England

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that we don't have here

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We don't have any

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But then also, for some reason, Werther's Originals

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Yeah, well why not?

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Werther's Originals are great no matter where you're from

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Across the pond?

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On the pond

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I can get those here, Dan

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Not British ones

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That's fair, maybe they're different

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I haven't tried them yet

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It's possible

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But it's really cool

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They use real milk chocolate and they're Werther's Originals

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It's really cool and I really appreciate it

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and I would say that if anybody out there

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is listening in foreign countries

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and you have various candies that you have there

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that you can't get in the United States

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don't stop yourself

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If you think Dan likes novelty seltzers

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you have no idea about novelty candies

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It's something really from my youth

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because my dad was a religious studies professor

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and every year he would go to the SBL conference

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the Society of Biblical Literature

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and that would often be in foreign countries

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and so he would go and it would be always really exciting

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when he'd come back

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because he'd have a bag of candies

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that you can't get

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From foreign places, yes, of course

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It was just so interesting how there's

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the similarities and differences

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and I often find

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maybe it's a selection thing

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but I often find that

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out of America candies are way better

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Oh, that's what they say

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They're way more interesting

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They make all the stuff with better ingredients

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and shit like that

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because they don't allow people to get away

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with the same kind of shit

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I mean even kind of conceptually

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Oh, yeah, conceptually

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I often find more interesting textures

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and stuff like that

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You're calling Americans bland, Dan

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I think that's what's going on here

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Just some of the candies

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I don't think you're wrong, though

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So anyway, thank you, Dan

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I appreciate that

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And so, yeah, my bright spot is these candies

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That's wonderful

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That's very good

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My bright spot, Dan, seems

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It's very trivial

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Very trivial

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But it revealed something important to me

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It is my hair is getting very long

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because I have not gotten a haircut

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on account of the, you know, what's going on

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Yeah, I cut that for you

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I don't want you to

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So I was getting in my hair

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and starting to eat it

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Starting to eat it while I'm eating food

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and my partner gives me one of her hair bands

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and I wore it and it was amazing, Dan

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Oh, man

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And I realized that the reason

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that I'd never even considered wearing a hairband

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or asking for it

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is because where I grew up

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it was always so associated with femininity

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You know, only women would wear those headbands

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And I examined myself

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and I see that I'm still carrying those gender biases

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You're breaking free

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Even now, in 33, and I wore that headband

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and I was like, God damn it

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I'm a fully actualized man

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That's how I feel wearing this headband

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It was amazing

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I congratulate you on your progress

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I feel alive

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That's great

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I'm happy for you

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Thank you

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I mean, you're not wearing one now

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No, I'm not

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I can't wear it with a

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This is going to end up in a big old ponytail

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It's not going to end up in a ponytail

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Your hair is getting about the point

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Oh, it's got to go

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I've had longer

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You have had longer

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Significantly longer

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It's usually a bad idea

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Unless you're taking care of it

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I'm never doing the ponytail

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Let's

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I'm going to write that down as a statement

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As the bald spot expands

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The ponytail becomes a more attractive option

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That's what I hear

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So, Jordan

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Today we've got a really interesting episode to go over

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Sure

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And it is, as promised

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Not present day Alex Jones

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Hell yeah

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I went down a lot of roads

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In terms of preparing this episode

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I tried to look at

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A Project Camelot episode

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That was free

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On her YouTube channel

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Where she interviewed Judy Mikovits

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Ethically sourced Project Camelot

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Free range

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She interviewed the doctor from Plandemic

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And I thought this is going to be fun

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It wasn't fun

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Of course not

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It was a real disaster

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And also I tried to go back to the Jim Baker well

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But unfortunately I don't feel good about it

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Because Jim Baker had a stroke

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And since he's come back

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It's kind of hard to watch

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And he's not 100% yet

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Well certainly

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And it feels bad to make fun of

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Even if I'm not making fun of that

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Or his health issues

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It still just doesn't feel right

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To be like

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You're talking about the end times

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And then here he is

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So I had a real challenge ahead of me

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Of trying to figure out what to do an episode about

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So I asked you for a suggestion

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For a date

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Indeed

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And you came through

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Two terrible ones at random

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But then nailed it

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Well when you choose random dates

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You have the unfortunate possibility

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Of choosing things that we've already gone over

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True

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But the third choice that you gave

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After two misses

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Was June 6th, 2016

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Indeed

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6-6-16

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Which was not random

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No it was definitely not

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But I gotta say

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Maybe destiny

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Maybe, I'm not sure

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But this is a lot of fun

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Coincidence? Who cares

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It worked out

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This episode was a lot of fun

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It was revitalizing

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To go over

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It reminded me that Alex Jones

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Didn't used to do

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As bad a job

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Like he's always sucked

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He's been a liar and a racist

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And all that

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But he used to at least have a little care

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We got here for a reason

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We got here for a reason

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He didn't start this show about 2020 Alex

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No no no no

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This show exists

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And there's a certain obligation

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To cover his dumb ass in the present

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But like it's really boring

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A lot of the time

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There's a lot of just repetition

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Just complete

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Lack of creativity

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Beyond reason

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And you know

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Going back to this 2016 episode

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Like obviously he's already decided

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He loves Trump

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In June 2016

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But it's not

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The same as now

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He's not just sitting around

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Yelling about the devil

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He's almost not at all

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Talking about how

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I mean absolutely not at all talking about

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How the globalists want to drink your children's blood

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Sure

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Well they didn't in 2016 Dan

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It's so refreshing

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To hear this and be like

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Ah alright yes

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There was a different time

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I forget that he used to try

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Yeah

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A little

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Yeah

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Well the president used to try

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Yeah

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And so I really appreciated that

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And I enjoyed it and I think that there's

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A lot of really fun stupid shit

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Alright

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That we're going to get into

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And I'm excited

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Couple of surprise guests

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Couple of surprise guests

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One guest that is surprising

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And then one legit

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Surprise cameo appearance

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That wow

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Jaw dropping

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Jaw dropping

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To me

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To you

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Not to anybody else

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Sure

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Sure

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I think a normal person would just be like

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Yeah that's weird

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But for me I was like

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Well

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Pretty shocked

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Okay

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So before we get down to business on that Jordan

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Let's give a shout out to some folks who signed up

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And are supporting the show

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Well let's do it

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So

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Freak

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That's spelled with two e's

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Freak

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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much freak

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Thank you

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Next Max F thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much Max Freak

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Thank you Max

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Alex P thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much Alex Freak

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But spelled p-h-r-e

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Interesting

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We got three for three

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Next Rowan S thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Rowan

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I can't do it with this one

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I got nothing

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Next Alexi Jonasov

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That's Alex

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Eh

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Eh

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Now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you Alexi

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Next One Man Riot

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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much One Man Riot

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Thank you

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All One Word

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All One Word

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Thank you so much Lovely Lord

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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much Lovely Lord

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Thank you

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Next Shaun Kay

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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Shaun Freak

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Oh boy

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And finally Greg B thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Craig

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Thank you

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If you're out there listening or thinking hey I enjoy this show or what these gents

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do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that

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says support, support the show. We would appreciate it. Great. Or you can take that generosity

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and all right. What you're going to do is you're going to take that generosity. You're

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going to head on down to the, uh, what's it called? Where do they, the aqua, where do

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they keep fish? Uh, aquarium fish takes it. You're going to head on down to the aquarium.

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You're going to grind it up into little tiny flakes, the generosity flakes right into the

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charity that is the fish's mouth. Oh, okay. So this is a metaphorical, metaphorical aquarium.

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I'll allow it. There we go. Okay. Um, so Jordan does, I gotta be, this is, this is really

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exciting. Uh, June 6th, 2016. Here's an out of context drop from today's show. I want

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Steve to come on soon to do a whole hour on his mother. Yeah. Yeah. Please. Yes. I would

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like that very much. Let's have Steve come talk about how his mom was actually like Harriet

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Tubman. His mom has done globe trotting across the world and solving problems. His mom resolved

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world war one or something. Obviously I want, I want him to be a young Indiana Jones kind

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of situation. Yeah. That would be awesome. That'd be great. Yeah. So I was really excited

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about the possibility that that's maybe somewhere in the archives. We might find it someday.

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Yeah. So we start the episode off and I got really, I got really excited because Alex

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has, uh, he's getting ambitious and uh, it doesn't, it doesn't go great, but he's ambitious.

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We have several, a very informative guests joining us today. Rob do is in Deutschland

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to come. 2016, the global government meeting every four years, uh, since its inception,

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every fourth year meets in the United States on the East coast. This is the first time

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they are meeting in Europe on the fourth year. And that's obviously because Europe is in

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such crisis and world government is tottering on the edge of collapse. What great news there's

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a Bilderberg meeting going on. You just randomly chose a date. It's right around Bilderberg.

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It's the mark of the beast kind of, and Alex, uh, knowing that there's Bilderberg going

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on has sent out a guy who's definitely in the running for the title of least competent

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info warrior to report on it. I like it right off the bat. Alex is correct. Uh, about the

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2016 Bilderberg meeting that it was being held in Dresden, Germany. It didn't start

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until June 9th, but he does have the location correct. So good for him. Past that the rest

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of the stuff he's saying is pure bullshit. Okay. Alex asserts that they hold the meeting

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in the United States every four years, but because Europe is in a crisis of world government

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or something, they've decided to forego that very regular four year cycle tradition for

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the first time. Alex literally said for the moment, the moment he said that, that makes

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no sense. What is this? The fucking Olympics. Oh, get the shit out of here. What are you

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talking about? So this, this is where it becomes just way too clear that Alex isn't even close

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to an expert in the fields. He pretends to be the world's top guy on because there is

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no four year cycle and build a bird location history to say there's no way four years prior

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in 2012 Bilderberg did meet in the United States in Chantilly, Virginia. And you know

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what? Four years before that in 2008 they were in the United States as well. The problem

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is that two data points don't prove a consistent pattern. For instance, four years before this

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in 2004 Bilderberg was in Stressa, Italy. If you continue out the four year cycle, here's

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where they met in the next years. Uh, when if Alex was right, they should have all been

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in the United States. Right. Okay. In 2000 they were in Genval, Belgium. In 1996 they

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were in King city, Ontario, Canada, sister cities with an American city. That's technically

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still the United States. In 1992 they were in Yvan Leben in France. In 1988 they were

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in Telfs, Austria. In 88 Austria was an American state. In 1984 it was Sweden. In 1980 it was

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in West Germany. In 1976 they didn't meet. And in fact, you have to go back to 1964 to

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find the next year in that alleged four year cycle where Bilderberg was supposed to meet

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in the United States where they actually met in the United States. There we go out the

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gate. Love it. Yeah. Love it. I love that kind of nonsense. Here are the years that

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Bilderberg has had their meeting in the United States. And if you pay close attention, you'll

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see that there is no consistent pattern. Every four years. 1957, 1964, 1971, 1978, 1985,

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1990, 1997, 2002, 2008, 2012. What about the Winter Olympics? When do we have those? 2017.

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Alex is reporting to his audience that there's something weird about this 2016 meeting being

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held in Germany because based on his fictional expertise, they should be in the United States

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that year. Of course. That naturally must mean that the globalists are in a panic because

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of Europe, which is just another narrative element that Alex is making up out of thin

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air. There is no four year cycle when the Bilderberg group meets in the United States.

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Alex just thinks that because he's a dumb-dumb and he makes a lot of assumptions. They were

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in the United States in 2008 and 2012, therefore it must be the case that they have a regular

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four year cycle. So it's weird they're not here in 2016. This is only relevant for one

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reason and that's because it reveals that Alex doesn't know anything about the Bilderberg

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group because if he had any kind of deep familiarity with the subject, he would know that this

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supposed pattern and where they meet isn't real. Someone like a big Jim Tucker or Daniel

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Estlin, they make up a lot of bullshit, but they wouldn't make a mistake like that. It's

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so easily like, wait, here's where they were. Yeah. That Alex just doesn't even give a shit

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about anything. I love the swing. You see it twice and you're like, well, obviously,

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if it was four years twice, that's almost a pattern. You know how the scientific method

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works. I'm just going to go with forever is how long that's been. I suspect part of the

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reason for this is that Alex may have gotten an interest in covering Bilderberg meetings

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in 2008 or something. I wonder why. Maybe he just started... What interesting thing

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happened in 2008? That can't possibly be true because the Bilderberg was a name that rang

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out in conspiracy worlds before that. Of course. It's in Endgame. He went to the Bilderberg

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meeting in, what was that, in Istanbul? Yeah, but he doesn't care about when that was. Or

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Jim Tucker went to it at least. That was forever ago. You don't need to remember before Obama

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was president. He would have to know that in 2004 they weren't in the United States.

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He would have to know that. It would be impossible for him, the guy who I'm sure would have been

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there if it was there. It's very weird. So Alex is very xenophobic and very biggity.

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Even back then? Yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah. That has not changed. He's rambling here a little

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bit about non-white social workers and Muslim cops in foreign countries. Most of the social

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workers in the UK that come and take your children, I've had members of parliament on

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that have written articles for London Telegraph and you name it about this, are not even really

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from the UK. They hardly even speak English. And an alarming number of the police chiefs

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in Sweden, in Germany, in France, and in the UK are also Muslims. And they hardly even

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speak English. They weren't even born in the UK, but they're now your enforcer. In fact,

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this was pointed out that most of the security at the DeGaulle Airport, Charles DeGaulle

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Airport there in Paris, are Muslims and full hardcore practicing Muslims with hajibs. The

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women are women. Only their eyes showing and they're running security and then up goes

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the plane and it blows up. Whoa. Whoa. So this line of thinking is consistent with Alex,

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you know? One is an alarming number of Muslims anywhere for Alex. What are you talking about?

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Police chiefs, an alarming number. That's a convenient word for him. He's alarmed by

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Muslim women at a pool supply shop. Any Muslim cop would be alarming to him. So I don't trust

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your calculus here. No matter what, even though when I'm saying that listening to this is

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way less of a stupid chore compared to the present day, it must be pointed out and stressed

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that I'm not saying that he was good or better. He still is a monster. Which I think is something

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that we should very much take with us as a reminder of all how Republicans and bullshit

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are acting right now. This is something brand new for them. There's all this racism that

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we're seeing right now. That's Trump's Republican party. Just like Alex, it was fucking there,

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man. Yeah, yeah. I think you could get into an interesting argument about how much of

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it is always been there and allowed to become public and how much of it was maybe something

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that wasn't really there but got turned into racism because of the ways that Trump frames

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things and the Trump community frames things. I wonder if Alex has any interesting thoughts

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about that on this episode. We'll see later. Interesting. So at this point in 2016, Alex

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and honestly this hasn't changed. Alex believes that he doesn't cover news about Infowars.

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Of course not. Whenever Infowars is in the news, he doesn't cover it. He doesn't want

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to talk about it. You don't want to make the story about yourself. He does say that in

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the present day and it turns out he also says that. Of course. In 2016 when he's getting

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ready to cover news about himself. This controversy started about a week ago and I never even

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covered it despite the fact that Infowars.com is at the center of it. And I'll be honest

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with you, I have a real blind spot to news that we are the center of because I don't

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want to just be a gonzo journalist and report on myself. Bad news about your future. Real

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bad news about your future. Oh man. Oh boy. That's a good belly laugh right there. That

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feels good. That's a rumbly. Oh man. Meanwhile, like in the present day, Alex is just on and

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on about his own personal troubles. I'm in the news because of being sued by the Southern

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District of New York. I'm in the news because of being sued by these people. I'm in the

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news all the time, but I don't really cover Infowars related stuff. Certainly. Except

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for the ways in which it is a Rosetta Stone that you can understand the globalists through.

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It turns out. So it turns out that what had gone on, this is one of those things that

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really goes to show you how insane the 2016 election cycle was. I didn't even remember

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this happening. It's something that should have been disqualifying on its face for Trump

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as a candidate, but I don't know, no one cared. Coming up at the bottom of the hour, I will

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spend a few minutes on this whole Klamath Falls, Southern Oregon, Northern California

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controversy. And it's a synthetic controversy with headlines all over the news and on TV,

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the last week, that Donald Trump has been caught red-handed using Infowars material,

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and he's a total kook, saying that there is an invasive species fish in several major

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reservoirs that were built to supply water to farmers in Northern California and Southern

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Oregon. And you could do an entire college education course on media manipulation and

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deception just off of this. You couldn't. So Alex is mad about an article that came

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out on June 4th in Salon, and this was about how Trump had used Infowars as a source at

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a campaign rally that he held in Fresno, California. Full disclosure, my dad's family is from Fresno,

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and no offense to the good people that happen to live there, but fuck that city. Not a fan.

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At the rally, Trump denied that there was actually a drought in California, and that

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in fact, the only reason that water was even an issue was because there was an EPA rule

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that required dumping some of this water. It needed to be flushed back into the San

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Francisco Bay in order to maintain the maritime ecosystem there. This is true, the dumping

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water part. The EPA does do that, but the scale of this water flushing out of the Bay

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isn't even close to being relevant in terms of causing a drought. According to the Salon

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article, the use of water in this way can take up to 800,000 acre feet of water per

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year, which sounds like a lot, but when you consider that the California water system

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manages over 40 million acre feet of water a year, it puts things into perspective.

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Nah, that's almost like, what, 0.5%? That's a shit ton.

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It's about 2% of the water that's being managed by California, and it's not just flushed out

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to the Bay for no reason. Part of it is to protect endangered species, that Alex is derisive

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about, ah, little fish, and so did Trump. Ah, nobody cares.

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But also, preserving the waterways around the coast is really important, because a large

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part of those cities, their economies involve fisheries and related industries around that.

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It's a balancing act of resource management. Yeah, it's a whole cycle, and it's a system

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that exists ecology-wise. Right, and so you can do this whole grandstanding

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about this small amount of water is being rerouted when it could be used for farms that

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are in need, and these farmers are out of job, but if the water was directed, and these

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ecosystems collapsed, then these fisheries die, and you get to be like, Obama caused

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these fisheries to die. Mortgage our future today!

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Alex posted an article on Infowars that was a broad attack on the EPA that oversimplified

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the issue and made it sound like the water was a large enough amount to make a difference

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in terms of drought conditions that California was facing, and that it was done just because

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the loony left wanted to protect a little fish.

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Sounds familiar. This is because the story was never about

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the drought. It was about the pain of the drought being used to fuel the machine that

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the right wing needed to attack government regulation.

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It's unclear if Trump actually got this news from Infowars, since the article is just Alex

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Eber posted something, it's like an article that he found on a website called the Federalist

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Papers, but it's probably a safe bet that Trump got it from that article wherever he

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happened to read it. And Infowars seems like it's a more prominent

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outlet where Trump has been a guest at this point.

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Stephen Miller is a fan. Yeah, so you can make your own conclusion

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about where you think he might have gotten it from, but that's a really messed up thing

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that happened. Everybody knew. Everybody knew.

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Everybody knew. Salon warned you.

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Everybody fucking knew, guys. We are where we are because of us. Oh, man. Brutal.

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So there's a couple of moments that I find really funny on this episode, and they're

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particularly moments where Alex is saying something and then the point he's making gets

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immediately undercut. Like, there's a couple of like, I mean, there's no other way to describe

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it other than like slip on a banana peel moment. And so in this clip, he's complaining about

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how the family is under attack. Families never existed.

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Because next, they're going to say that. Not just that father and mother is bad, but that

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it never really even existed. They're already coming out and saying, you

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know, it was always really a village that raised the children, not a family. See, that's

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which is true. But that was your other extended family. You could trust them. They came in

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and said, it's not good to discipline your own children. Then they said, it's not good

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to have your neighbors watch them. And your kids can't be in their front yard, their backyard

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unattended, even when they're 11 or 12 years old or will arrest you. See, they kill the

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village, they build artificial systems, and then they tell us the state is the village.

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Good save. Good save. They used to say that it takes more than just

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a nuclear family. Now it does. And it did. Wait. OK. Shit. Oh, boy. But they're the new

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village. What? And then they tell you it's not good to hit your kids. Yeah?

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That's a great train of thought. OK. First off, they say you can't let your neighbors

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watch your kids. And then they're like, don't hit them? What? How do you say? Everybody

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knows that's the progression. It's a little bit. That moment of they say

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they like to try and trick you into thinking it takes a village. And it does. It does.

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I like those moments a lot. Those moments where Alex's brain, his mouth gets a little

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bit ahead of him. It's really fun. So Alex is, I would say that the beginning of this

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episode is largely centered around this Slaun article and Alex being mad about it. There

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are two driving things that I would say are the varsity narratives of this episode. And

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this is not one of them. This is sort of a garnish at the beginning. Then there's the

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Rob Dues in Germany. And then there's a second thing. But for now, we're still dwelling in

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this space where Alex is like, oh, the media attacks me. It's because they're scared.

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Look at this. Donald Trump uses Alex Jones as an actual news source. They are so scared

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of what we cover. They're so scared of how we read the defense bills where they say they

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have reeducation camps actually use that term. They are so freaked out that we know how government

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works. They're so freaked out. We know about shadow government, COG. They're so freaked

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out. We understand the larger battle plan and have read their white papers. They're

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so freaked out. Notice that he's not saying the deep state. That meme hasn't really taken

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hold of that. It's not there yet. Trump hasn't complained about that. They haven't needed

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a new reason to. Because back then it was still the regular government. You weren't

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in the government fucking up. So you didn't have to create a secret government.

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So they're really afraid of Alex and the hard hitting news that he covers. Great. I appreciate

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that that's how he has to experience this. But when you take a step back and you consider

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like what are the stories that you're promoting, what are the things that you're taking your

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time to cover? It just doesn't. Fisheries. Well, it doesn't make sense. This is one of

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his big stories. We also have another article up on info wars.com written by Paul Joseph

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Watson that's going viral via DrudgeReport.com right now. Video obese woman starts trashing

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store after EBT card gets refused. That's a story you're pushing? Yeah. Why? Because

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apparently the local news, wherever that was, didn't have enough people on site. What is

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that? They needed the assist. What are we doing? I'm flabbergasted. And up next, Cat

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learns how to ride a skateboard, Dan. I don't know if that's an important story to cover

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unless all you're trying to do is demonize people who are dependent on assistance programs

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and trying to attack just the very idea of social welfare. The government wasn't doing

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anything else important around June sometime 2016. Nothing else was going on. I'm pretty

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sure that nobody was even talking about the Supreme Court for any reason. Hey, Jordan,

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I'm going to tell you this right now. What? If there was anything important going on,

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you would not know if it was important. You would not know that. You would know that Alex

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is mad about the salon. Sure. Someone trashed a store because of EBT issues. Why not? Rob

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Dues in Germany. And then here is the big narrative. Here's the varsity narrative. This

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is so exciting to me. Alright, okay. This was great. This is where the episode really

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hooked me. Roger Stone did not tell me who the V.P. choice of Donald Trump is for vice

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president. But he did concur with my prediction of who it will be. He said no one knows but

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Trump at this point. He said come on, Robert. Meetings that he's been in with the shortlist

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hearing what Trump thinks and Trump bouncing it off. Stone and others. And he doesn't want

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to talk bad about Corey Lewandowski, the embattled head of the campaign. Who really is just a

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glorified. Trail manager right now. But when Lewandowski goes on television and says that

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he's heading up the vetting process that is not the case. They brought in former top lawyers

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for Ronald Reagan who are doing the background checking and research on who Trump likes.

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So this is really interesting because Alex is teasing out that like there's a big scoop

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here possibly about Trump's V.P. pick. Right. And we know because we're in the present or

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the future from this episode that on July 15th Trump announced that it was Mike Pence.

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Yes. And I was really fascinated to know who does he think it's going to be. Yeah. Yeah.

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And so when Alex says this towards the beginning of the show I'm like fuck yes this is this

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is crap. We got to find out. I can't wait to see what the discussion was all about.

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He's talking to Roger Stone about it. It's going to be great. And Roger Stone is essentially

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telling that telling Alex that the actual campaign manager for Trump is just a booking

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guy and actually Roger Stone is still running the fucking campaign. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

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There's two things there. One is that this is a point in time of Alex's show where like

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he understands showmanship. Oh yeah. Like he's teasing this. He doesn't say shit about

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specifics until the end. Interesting. He gets you interested by this thing this piece of

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information that he may or may not have. Sure. And then instead of just rambling about it

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immediately he waits to pay it off at the end of the show. So you've got to listen to

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the whole thing. Hold on. Are you telling me that after teasing this information we

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are not just going to hear the next five minutes being him talking all about it and then the

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five minutes after that being him teasing as if he pretends like he didn't talk about

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it. He does tease it but he doesn't say a name. He doesn't say anything that would give

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you any indication of like where his head is at until it's time to pay it off. This

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is like basically like how old school wrestling would be. Yeah. If the pay per view is going

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to be two guys fighting each other you keep them away from each other. You don't give

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away the fight for free and Alex isn't giving it away until it's time. Well done. And then

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the second thing is really interesting to see that Alex hates Corey Lewandowski because

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he hates all of the people who he perceives to be the media people who are keeping Trump

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away from him. He hates all the people who are just like they're the people that should

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really like me. Like he hates Brad Parscale. Of course. Why? It's because they're the people

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he can project his rejection onto. Instead of realizing that Trump doesn't want to talk

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to him he can be like oh it's fucking Lewandowski. Yeah. In a sense though maybe in 2016 before

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Trump actually wins they probably did have to like keep him away. You know like they

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they probably were like hey buddy no you can't talk to Alex. And Roger's over here in his

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ear like haha I got the Russians and I got Alex which do you choose? Talk to Alex he's

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weird. Yeah he's a crazy man. He's really fun. You'll love it. It'll be great I'll get

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you a job there. Yeah I would say it's probably more likely that they had to do more of it

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at this point for sure. So Alex has three names. Which again he's not going to tell

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you any of them. Corey Lewandowski. Roger Stone. And then X. No but Roger had a pretty

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severe reaction when Alex said one of these names. I came up with my own list of three

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people and Stone actually his eyes got big he gulped I've got to know him good he's such

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a character I just like him as a person. And he just said well you should get that from

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me and he visibly kind of turned a little bit red and was concerned that Trump would

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think he told me. Oh my god. So Roger gulped. Alex says this a number of times this gulp

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is apparently a big tell of Roger's which is going to come in handy when I play poker

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with him next week. Okay that's going to be important to know. Me and Roger I got a Texas

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Hold'em game scheduled. Did you just say that I might have a pair of threes? Gulp? All in.

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So Roger had a pretty severe reaction to Alex's names and we'll get to that later. So Rob

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Dew is in Germany but it turns out he's not alone. We've got Rob Dew and Josh Owens in

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Deutschland what's left of it for the next ten days. Bilderberg kicks off on Thursday.

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So Rob is there with Josh Owens and that's really interesting because Josh Owens is the

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guy who has since left Info Wars and wrote an article for the New York Times magazine

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about how he regrets working there. Right. How Alex is an asshole and. I bet he doesn't

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regret getting that sweet ass vacation to Germany for ten fucking days. Yeah that's

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not bad. What were they doing covering Bilderberg? He was having a great time. Yeah it doesn't

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seem like it would be work intensive. No you just make up lies. Go around to the camera

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maybe yell at people every now and again. If part of your job is to say things that

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aren't true why work hard? Just don't even do the job. And that's something that he even

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has brought up in that article about how they manufactured situations in order to create

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optics particularly around Islamophobia and demonizing of Muslims. And so when he is there

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I just think like this would be one of those times where I actually maybe would want to

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talk to an Info Wars person. Like what was it like in Germany? Yeah yeah yeah. But then

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I realized like I still probably couldn't trust you know whatever. We went to Berlin

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for a day. We were covering Dresden. Dresden friend. Well yeah but you take the train.

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It's ten days. You have plenty of time. Of course you take the train. They filmed three

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hours, six hours of b-roll and they're done for ten days. What else do you have to do?

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So they are not on location in Dresden yet. Of course not. So Alex has got to fill some

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time and so what he does is he talks about how he's got this video with Roger coming

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up later where they talk about the VP pic. But this is pre-recorded. Okay. Now Alex talks

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about recording these segments and he goes way out of his way to talk about some personal

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shit with Roger that makes me fairly uncomfortable and I honestly think is maybe an intentional

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move to try and humanize somebody that even Alex has to know is a fucking scummy weirdo

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asshole in political circles. I was here on Saturday to tape three different segments

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that we're going to air Saturday, Sunday and then today on big topics with Roger Stone.

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The real reason he came to town was to discuss a lot of inside baseball things coming up

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with Cleveland and to fill me in on a lot of things off the record so that I could navigate

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into the future. And he's filled me in on some things off record about a year ago that

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all came true and then again about six months ago and then a few months ago when he came

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back to Austin, Texas. So this is pretty important stuff obviously that I got briefed on but

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I can't talk about it until the future. Sure. But we were talking about an hour back there

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in the conference room just he and I and he got a call from his wife and his 93 year old

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mother had to come home from the hospital and they had just said look she's going to

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die any day now but she's still all there. She's in excruciating pain with lung cancer.

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We're going to give her morphine. She wants it and he said she had seen a minute or two

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and then he went around and looked out in the foyer area and I walked by and I saw tears

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in his eyes and he got off the phone. He goes that was the last time I probably ever talked

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to my mother while she's all there. This is Saturday at about noon. She's about to go

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on morphine at a super high dose. She'll probably die in the next 48 hours. I've got to go finish

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a Trump speech on Sunday. I'm going to leave here early now. I was going to fly out Sunday

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morning because all the storms I'm going to leave this afternoon and he pulled himself

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up. I mean he wasn't even really crying. He pulled himself up. We came in here, shot the

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segments and went out to lunch. Talked about his mother and what a great lady she was.

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I always love hearing about people's mothers. What? Like this is weird. That is weird. I

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would feel like if I were Roger just as a person I'd be like hey man cut that out. Yeah.

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Like don't talk about my personal shit like that on your show. Yeah. Like I wouldn't talk

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about private things that we've talked about like without you bringing it up first. Yeah

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but part of me feels like. When your aunt died I wasn't going to bring it up. No you

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weren't going to bring it up at all. No of course not. Like it's not appropriate. This

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is someone else's business. Right. This is fucked up. I'm not a psychopath who doesn't

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experience emotions like other human beings. So Roger's probably listening to this going

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like man way to tell a good story. That makes me look very good. You know what? Thank you

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for not sharing the yeah I'm going to pull the plug on her tomorrow. I don't give a shit.

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Can I pull the plug on her through the phone? Can I reach through my phone and pull the

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plug on her? I don't want to speculate about like him being that kind of a crass or like

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a cold dick but like it's I don't I feel very uncomfortable about this. Yeah don't do that.

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It's not appropriate. Don't do that. So anyway it turns out that this continued and Roger

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his mother eventually did pass and he texted Alex about it. Then Roger Stone called me

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at about or texted me at about 3 15 last night saying yeah my mom just died you know thanks

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pal for all your support. I happened to be up at that time too strangely I'd woken up

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but that's a classy guy right there. We'll be back. It's a classy guy. What? Why is that

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classy? Well because he thanked Alex for being there for him in that moment. Which I mean

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like if this is a real story about their interaction then it is fine. No it is it is a fine moment

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between two people guy going through something really difficult and Alex is there for him

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and like I don't have any problem with the story and I appreciate people supporting each

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other but I fucking have a problem with Alex telling this story on air. Yeah yeah. There's

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no indication that Roger said hey go ahead and tell my business put my business on the

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streets. I'm pretty sure Donald Trump Jr. was actually his source for this one. Could

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be. Yeah Alex is. He's not going to keep another people's personal biz off his show. Not good

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at that. He biz stays on the show at Alex's world. So SJWs are a concern in 2016. Oh man.

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Alex is pretty mad at them. Of course. And if you listen to this clip he's talking about

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a viral video that had come out a couple months prior and you'll see how SJW social justice

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warrior is really a proxy for Alex to talk about race. You see where the social justice

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warrior model is going. Remember San Francisco a few months ago there at the college at the

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state college a young white freshman had red locks has adopted all the fake culture superimposed

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by Hollywood even talks with a made up pull up social justice warrior pull up inner city

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dialect oh you're crashing and you're going down by two trendies who look like they're

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part African. And the video just says it all. It's just an excuse to be nasty evil mean

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thug. That was white water rafting. That was a mess. That was him just being like alright

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I know that's a big rock. Gotta try and avoid that but I'm going to hit it a little bit

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but I'm not going to hurt myself. Not sure you did. He's a trendy alright got around

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that rock. Nope. So there's a viral video in 2016 that showed a white college student

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at San Francisco State arguing with a black woman student about how the white guy had

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dreadlocks and the woman felt that this was cultural appropriation. This is 100% not a

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story that needs to be covered by a national outlet. And next we've got a cat that learned

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how to skateboard Dan. There was a tiny bit of physicality between them but it's in the

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genre of people blocking each other not really even close to what you'd call violence or

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fighting like Alex is describing beating them up or it's not that. This is the kind of discussion

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that should be allowed to be had in privacy and with vulnerability where each side is

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able to actually express what they feel about their side of the issue and hopefully they

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can both come away with a better understanding of other people's perspectives. This is one

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of the very important things that college environments can facilitate as people from

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tons of different cultures and backgrounds are made to come together in one place to

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learn. The byproduct of that should be an intense broadening of your worldview and unfortunately

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that's a process that's not always free of hiccups. It can definitely have painful side

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effects for sure. Yeah, you can end up with flare ups and misunderstandings and hopefully

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if in a healthy environment you can facilitate those sorts of clashes if you want to call

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it that and they can lead to growth. They can lead to something better. That's the thing

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that most white conservatives are afraid of when it comes to college. It's the thing that

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terrifies them the most. When I went away to school I left from a homogenous place and

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was suddenly thrust into cultures from everywhere that I've never experienced before and then

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whenever I understood them I came back and my parents are like, no! I realize that what

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I'm talking about is a little bit idealized to an extent but in a safe environment where

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people can assess their reactions to things that confuse them or seem foreign to them

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it is a growing thing and this sort of a conversation between someone with dreadlocks and a black

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student who sees this as cultural appropriation is a really great example of a conversation

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that the two of them could have devoid of baggage and you'd hope... Conflict isn't inherently

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bad. Not always. So I watched the video and I cannot possibly imagine hosting a news show

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and thinking this was something that I should cover, let alone something I would bring up

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again months later after it happened. And you can pretty easily tell why Alex is, especially

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by the way he's couching his language. Like this is about race to him. This is a proxy

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for him to talk about that. The white guy is someone who has quote adopted all the fake

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culture superimposed by Hollywood and quote talks with a made up social justice warrior

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inner city dialect. The black woman and her friend are quote trendies who look like they're

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part African who are looking for excuses to be quote nasty evil mean thugs. It's pretty

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blunt stuff when you really get down to it and there's honestly another reality to this

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video and that is that Alex is reporting on a fake version of what happened. According

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to an article in the Golden Gate Express which was out long before this episode was recorded

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so Alex has every reason to be aware of it if he cared at all, this video did not include

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the entire exchange between the guy with dreadlocks and the woman. The woman in the video who

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I will leave anonymous out of courtesy claimed that the guy with dreadlocks, who I will also

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respect his anonymity, walked past her while she was handing out flyers. She made a passing

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joke about his dreadlocks to her friend and the dreadlocks guy called her a bitch, all

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of which was not included in the video. This sequence of events is verified by multiple

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other students who were there and saw the entire incident who said that the video only

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captured the second half of their exchange. And this woman ended up getting doxxed and

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like all sorts of threats thrown her way. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because

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garbage is never... Yeah, she's had to endure a lot because of this. There's no year on

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garbage that's everywhere. The video was recorded by another student who posted it online, omitting

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important context and framing the video as an out of control black student attacking

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a white guy for having dreadlocks. Alex is reporting on this shoddy framing of this video

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because that's the story he wants to tell. The story that centers around the white student

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as the innocent if possibly misled by culture victim and the black student as an out of

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control thug who has to browbeat the white student into submission. It's a fake story

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but it's real to Alex and to his audience because it's how they feel when they see someone

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getting in trouble for saying the n-word or they see people suggesting that confederate

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flags flying on government property is super fucked up. That feeling is real to them and

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the edited version of this video provides the story that they need. They need to hear

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that in order to maintain the illusion that this feeling that they have depicts reality.

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If reality isn't going to justify my feelings, I will make reality justify my feelings. Right,

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and I mean this happened months before, like it's in April, some of these... I think it

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was actually March that the video came out and then by April there were already write-ups

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about the circumstances, how the video didn't capture everything. And I mean... And now

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here we are in June. Yeah, even the entire story doesn't rise to the level of Alex needs

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to be talking about this. It's something that campus folk who are in positions of guidance

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maybe or in some sort of position should facilitate a conversation between the two of them in

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a safe environment. That should be the way this should proceed forward. You don't need

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fucking racist ding-dong right-wing talk show hosts weighing in and turning this into some

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kind of important staging ground of a culture war. I'm pretty sure that Rush Limbaugh needs

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to be involved in any and all disagreements on most college campuses. I don't think so.

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I don't know why that these guys suddenly somehow always seem to choose interactions

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between white students and black students. It's strange that it's only those situations,

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but I guess they're uniquely qualified to mediate those, right Dan? I mean, even if

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I saw this coming from the other direction, it's always hard to do these kind of abstract

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ideas because it's like, what is a left-wing version of Alex? I'm not entirely sure exactly

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what that is, but if there was one and there was, you know, covering this story is, yeah,

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look at this woman yelling at this guy from the dreadlocks, I would still think that was

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a little bit petty and a little bit beneath a nationally syndicated show to be taking

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on as an issue. There's only one thing to say, which is, come on guys, what are we doing

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here? I think so. What are we doing here? Yeah. Come on. So, as if it needed to get

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worse, here's Alex talking about the black woman in the video and her friend who are

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both black. Okay. I don't care whether it's white supremacist, I don't care whether it's

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a bunch of trendy, so-called black kids. I mean, those two black people, if you call

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them that, that's what they call themselves, getting in the face of that white kid, that

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white nerd. I mean, they don't look black to me. I mean, maybe 20% African? Yikes. White

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racist people, when they're not sure of what words they can or cannot say. And so they're

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like, well, I'm going to go out of my way to not appear racist, almost always or then

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like, I don't even know if these people are black. Yeah. See, that's how a not racist

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I am. Frankly, they don't look black to me. Wait, you're going too far. Did you just...

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Hold on one second. So you're saying that these people appear to you to be 20% African,

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so they're not black enough. Yeah, because I'm not racist. Now, what percent white do

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you think this nerd is? How do you define that? 98% is white enough. Let's get into

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your definitions of things. But I didn't say black because I'm not a racist. I just said

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that 20% of a person is... Oh no. Alex has a really interesting relationship with racism

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at this point in his career because there's still kind of a balancing act that he's trying

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to put on, which is like he really went whole hog with the Tea Party. Totally. And they're

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very racist, but he has to pretend that that's not... He has a real vested interest in appearing

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not racist at all. But unfortunately, every time he ends up talking about anything, he

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says flagrantly racist things like that. Like that is very, very troubling. As though he's

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like proud of himself for navigating the choppy waters of race. Right. Like he's like, look

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at how great I am at not saying the n-word. Wow. Congratulations. Hero. Yeah. Here's another

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attempt that does not go great. The media has branded the Tea Party movement as racist,

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so anyone promoting free market is now racist forever. You are walled off now to be controlled

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by communist and globalist programming at the university level. They're telling you

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your role. They're telling you who you are. You're a woman, so you support Gloria Steinem.

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You're black, so you hate Donald Trump. You're Hispanic, so you hate Trump because Trump

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pointed out that Mexico is completely nationalist, controls its own borders and says it wants

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to, quote, reconquer the Southwest and is dumping its criminals on us. Does that mean

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you don't have a bunch of people going to Trump rallies, maybe 10 percent that are racist?

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Absolutely. Probably. Show one. Whoa. Hold on. What? What? What happened there? Look,

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you're just being told that we're racist. Yeah. There's no way for you to guess that

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we're racist. Yeah. I'm just saying that, sure, 10 percent of us are racist, but what?

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So what? Yeah. You go to a Trump rally, 10 percent are out and not racist. Oh yeah, sure.

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What are you going to leave a party because 10 percent of them are Nazis? Come on. Come

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on. That's what happened with Hitler. And now how we now where are we? This is really

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weird defense that he's engaging in. I am not sure. I like it. I like the idea that

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you could confess to a crime, but if you just say it like you're not confessing, the cops

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will be like, nah, you're fine. You got it. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I definitely I definitely

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totally killed that guy. I didn't kill him, though. I would be pretty concerned about

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a 10 percent racism. It's very high. Yeah, it's very high. That seems too high. I wonder

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what positions, you know, maybe if those 10 percent weren't in positions of power. And

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we could assume that that's you know, there are no one. I'd be totally fine with 10 percent

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racism in a group, as long as it was also a group that was willing to discuss that the

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sort of unexamined parts of their belief system that include racist beliefs. If there was

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a willingness to hear other viewpoints, because I thought, you know, I think everybody, even

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ourselves, like there are things that we just are not aware of that need to be brought to

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our attention. It's something that is a sort of a part of modern life. Totally. So, look,

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there's a race politics that's being played. Sure. And it has to do with using minorities

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somehow. But the globalists tried this before, but with white people. And it did not work

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out. OK, so Alex talks about this a little bit. These are people that use race based

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politics before, but it failed in the 50s and 60s. And so now they're desperate trying

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to do it from a minority perspective because you're the majority. And if they can sell

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a racist agenda on that, it'll work great because whites on average will still be per

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capita the wealthiest group because they had the brainchild of a system that made more

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money. They were taught to save money. Now they'll have to be protected by the political

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class. They will go into a hardened defense mode and a new apartheid will be set up over

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everyone else. Interesting theories. Also, they were taught to save money is an interesting

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way to say they were allowed to participate in the economy. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a fun rewriting. OK,

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they were taught to save money. Now, of course, the other people weren't allowed to have money.

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So they had a lot more money to save. You could look like they were taught to save their

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money or your money. They took and put it in a bank for these white people were able

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to accrue generational wealth in a way. They were taught it. They were taught it. It had

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nothing to do with stealing yourself. So apparently a new apartheid is coming. Do you know, this

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is something that I've really found. I think undergirds so much more of this than than

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what people are really talking about. So many of these people on the right are genuinely,

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I think, in favor of that kind of utter white hegemony because they think if they were in

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black people's situation, they would obviously already have killed everyone in the country

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right now because they would never allow themselves to be treated so terribly. So they assume

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that black people, given the opportunity to put their boot heel on top of them, would

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treat them the exact same way that white people treated them. They think they have it coming

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and that's why they're fighting against it.

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Yeah, I think that there's something to that mentality, subconscious or conscious.

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Yeah, I've heard it an alarming number of times.

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I have too, and Alex touches on, maybe not explicitly, but that theme does run through

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some of his conversation about the ways in which if white people became a minority they

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would be oppressed.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And it does sound a lot like, well, you're reflecting what minority experience has been

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in this country.

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Exactly.

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And yeah, I guess that...

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It's an admission of guilt to say, if you do what I did to you, that's abuse.

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That is one way to look at it. So this apartheid system is coming, right? This is interesting.

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This is really interesting the way Alex frames this progression in 2016.

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Then down the road, the apartheid system, it won't be called that, will be shut down

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and the whole civilization will be imploded. Let me stop right there just briefly. If you're

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not signing up for our free newsletter, infowars.com forward slash newsletter, you really need

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to, so we can send you key intel and get to you stories that the system's trying to censor.

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So Alex does add pivots to his newsletter at this point, which is fun.

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What a quaint notion that is.

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He also sells his supplements, but it is very weird to hear that. But what he's saying is

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there'll be this apartheid system that comes into place and then that will collapse or

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that'll lapse into eventually then societal collapse.

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Right, right, right.

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Alex in 2020 is saying that societal collapse is coming and we haven't had that apartheid

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system.

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Wow.

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So...

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Societal collapse can come from any direction, really.

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It seems like his ability to assess what the globalists are doing might be faulty or, hey,

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because we're all just making this up, they skipped a step.

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They skipped a step. What did you need that said? Dan, you've skipped a clip before, right?

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Well, once or twice.

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See, there we go. Globalists can do the same thing.

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Fine. So Alex talks about, he's got Rob Do, Josh Owen out in Germany.

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Crack team that hates him.

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But he's not the, those aren't the only people that he has out in the field.

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Okay.

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Dan McAdoo and Josh Owens out in Germany covering Bilderberg and the migrant camps.

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They're coming up in the next segment.

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We've got a bunch of our crew, including Leanne McAdoo and Joe Biggs out on the West Coast

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for the anti-free speech hysteria there.

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So I listened to that clip and I thought it was really interesting because he's got four

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people who are on location.

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Used to be able to afford to send people all over the world, Dan.

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Well, but even beyond that, Josh Owens has come out and written an article in the New

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York Times Magazine about how he regrets working for Infowars.

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Naturally.

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Leanne McAdoo is gone.

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She's disappeared to the wind.

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And I think, you know.

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Good honor.

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Yeah, certainly.

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But then also like her silence doesn't to me indicate that like she still looks back

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fondly or that she regrets it.

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No.

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I have no idea what her position is about her time there, but she's been very much gone.

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Joe Biggs had to get fired after Pizzagate.

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Wow.

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He's still a proud boy and all that.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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He's still in this world, but Alex had to let him go.

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Three out of the four people that he has on location are gone.

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Yeah.

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And that just proves Rob Doo is the best employee in the history.

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Rob Doo's got blackmail or something.

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Does somebody need to take a bullet for you?

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Guess what?

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I've got Rob Doo.

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I don't know what it is, but he is he has staying power.

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He's just there, man.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has a bare bones staff this day because all these people are out on location.

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Yeah.

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And so he wants to really talk about like really supporting the crew.

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Sure.

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People send me all this fan mail, big stacks of it every week.

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I appreciate it.

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I look at it.

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It's great.

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All these gifts.

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Hey, think about the crew, reporters or whoever.

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Everybody should adopt somebody on the crew and just tell them, you know, what you think

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about them because we love you.

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You can hear from us that we care about you.

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Um, all right, Alex, you want me to adopt somebody on your staff and tell them, I think

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Josh Owens is a great person.

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Tell them.

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Well, not because he's not on the staff anymore.

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Oh, that's fair.

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I mean, Rob Doo is the only person who's still there.

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You want me to tell him what I think about him?

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Hey, Rob, you suck.

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You're terrible at everything you do.

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Your news reports are boring.

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Really bad.

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Your time as the, uh, the head of the nightly news was a disaster.

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Didn't go well.

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You can keep a nightly news show going at info wars deposition deposition.

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As a corporate representative, maybe one of the totally knew what I've ever seen.

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Uh, um, embarrassing to the nth degree.

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Um, I don't know, probably a decent father.

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He's probably a fun hang.

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Yeah.

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Come on.

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How else do you stick around for this long?

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I think it's, I think he's got blackmail on Alex.

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All right.

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Maybe.

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Maybe a tax ID or something.

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I was just like, can't cut them loose too much.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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But I think he's terrible at his job.

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So Alex, you, you asked us to say what we really think about the staff member.

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I just adopted a highway instead.

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah.

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It's a good highway.

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I adopted a highway stretch.

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I 80, which, which highway man Waylon Jennings, Waylon Jennings, those you're highly well.

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It was a damn builder across the river.

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Cash for me.

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Yeah.

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You fly a star ship.

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Hell yeah.

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Well, so Alex gets to talking about Trump and it's clear that he's in to Trump, but

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at the same time, he's not as, I don't know, he's not God King yet.

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No, certainly not.

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But he's into Trump and definitely is backing him during the election.

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And he seems to think that there is a weapon that Trump has the most powerful weapon Donald

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Trump has, isn't just that he's anti-political correct.

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It isn't that he just speaks like a common person.

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It isn't that he's just pushing basic common sense populism.

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It's that currently at his rallies that I've seen the raw footage of that we have on, on

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info wars.com.

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It's gotta be a third or 40% of the people going in the doors are Hispanic.

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And it's gotta be 10, 20, 30% are, are, are black and a lot are Asian.

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Now this is so exciting because they have pushed this racism narrative to the thousandth

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degree.

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And quite frankly, people are scared.

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There's a little bit of xenophobia going on.

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That's that's pretty much common sense at a point when people are saying, foreign flags

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are going to get you, kill you.

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And the government's running.

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And I mean, people that haven't been quote racist are getting a little, just a little

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bit, Hey, I'm scared, which I wouldn't call racism.

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It's just called normal tribalism that starts getting activated, huh?

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That's weird.

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Oh, Dan, that's a weird sentence.

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So Trump has a weapon at his disposal and that is a rainbow coalition.

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Some minorities support him.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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I don't know if those numbers are good.

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No, no, no.

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I think he was arguing that almost 50% of Trump rallies were non white, no more, more

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because yeah, 50 to 60% are just Hispanic and black.

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And then there's a lot of Asians as well.

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I don't know.

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I didn't know that it was a minority of white people who supported Donald Trump.

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I was really surprised.

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I will say from the raw footage that I've seen, it appears like it's a lot of white

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people.

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Wow.

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I've seen a sea of white before.

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Now, I don't know how Alex is judging this because he saw this video of these people

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at San Francisco State and he doesn't think that they're black enough.

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Those few people aren't even black.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what kind of standards he's using.

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Is he taking every individual in these videos of Trump rallies and determining whether or

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not they're a minority enough for him?

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All right.

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Now, you're saying that some of these people who are not quote unquote racist, maybe they're

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saying some things that are like, I wouldn't call them racist, obviously.

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I would call them normal tribalism.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Now, that's an interesting angle.

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That's a normal tribalism to you.

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It's a normal response to be scared of other types of people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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That's where we get that thing I was teasing a little bit with the idea that Trump kind

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of, a lot of the narratives that he put forth and a lot of the things in that media ecosystem,

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the people who were supporting him, a lot of those things probably went out of their

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way to incite some racism that either did exist latently or maybe was something close

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to racism and it got turned into racism.

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And it got pushed further over that line.

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And Alex talks about that and he's actually pretty clear that he understands that Trump

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incited racism as a political tool.

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Now, what he says about that is really interesting.

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People that haven't been quote racist start getting a little bit, hey, I'm scared, which

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I wouldn't call racism.

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It's just called normal tribalism.

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That starts getting activated.

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And so Trump pushed a little bit of those buttons.

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Let's be honest about it because the left's pushing them on their side and I'm not even

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defending that.

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It's going too far sometimes.

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That is amazing.

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In June 2016, Alex believed that Trump intentionally pushed some buttons to incite tribal or racist

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ideas.

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And it's fine because the left does that too.

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But Trump may have gone too far.

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He may have gone too far, according to Alex.

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According to Alex, paragon of non-racism.

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I mean, we're not going to go so far as to call him anti-racist.

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In 2020, Alex will be like, Trump has never said anything even close to racist ever.

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Yeah, I know.

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This is wow.

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Yeah.

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This is a guy who is still thinking Trump's going to lose.

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This is the man who I have heard spend years say to me that the left doesn't have any memory,

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Dan.

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It's because they don't have any memory.

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He does say that a lot.

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They just get rid of, you don't, you don't have to remember things anymore, Dan.

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Yeah.

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And when I say that this is a guy who thinks that Trump is going to lose, the reason that

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I think that is because the way this is going, it doesn't feel committed.

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It doesn't feel like Alex is talking about this in the terms of like, I hope that my

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career is connected to this guy.

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He's saying he probably pushed buttons too hard.

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And I will, from my perspective, yeah, he did.

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Not just that, but he's clearly saying that the man cynically as an election strategy

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said very racist things in order to incite racists to vote for him.

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Yep.

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That's not okay under any circumstances.

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Apparently it is.

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Oh, okay.

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Nevermind then.

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So you texted me earlier when we were talking about suggestions for the day of the episode.

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Yeah, it was weird.

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I texted you, Nixon was a great president who didn't use any racist strategies whatsoever

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because they tried that in the fifties and sixties, but it didn't work on white people,

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Dan.

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Well, that was weird.

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That was a really strange text to give to you.

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Jordan must've listened to the episode.

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Impressioned.

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Um, and you mentioned John the Revelator in one of our, uh, our tech 16 of course.

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Yes.

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And so here's where, uh, John of Patmos comes up and it's not in the context you would expect,

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but it doesn't matter to pesh mode has a song making fun of him saying he stole his God

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from the Muslims.

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Sure.

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The Muslims didn't exist for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

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and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years until after he died.

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I think that was 300 too many John the Revelator put him in an elevator, take him up to the

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high end.

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You know, what's funny though?

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I love the pesh mode, credible artists, great music with my favorite bands.

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It's just, I hate it when I'm singing along to a song that sounds so good.

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I love it when it's a lie, but you know what, it feels good, doesn't it?

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John the Revelator couldn't even hardly walk.

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He was having those visions for days.

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I love that.

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Like it has no place, again, in the same way that talking about this viral video from San

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Francisco state has no place on a serious show, neither is this, but like as a radio

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show, I would rather listen to Alex struggle with like, I love this song, but I disagree

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with the message.

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It's interesting, Alex, talk about that more.

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Don't you hate it, Dan, when you're singing along to a song and then all of a sudden you

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just realize this song is a lie.

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It's blaspheming John the Revelator.

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Great.

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Oh boy.

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But that is a struggle that I would like to hear Alex talk about.

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Yeah, I would like to hear more about that.

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Because I think it would be revelatory for him, pardon the use of the word.

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So we get to the point when Alex is going to now talk to Rob Do on location in Dresden,

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Germany and Alex is sort of reflecting on how cool it is that he can be at his studio

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in Austin and talking to somebody, his buddy in Germany and they can broadcast that on

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the radio.

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It is pretty cool.

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That's really cool.

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He's going to step back and realize we live in the future.

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Right.

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That's really cool.

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So he's talking about that and then they go to the video and mike down for this because

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this is the second banana peel moment and it might be a little worse.

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Think about somebody 100 years ago, a thousand years ago, watching a slash radio show, InfoWars,

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it's radio you watch.

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And I would say that I would be in studio in Austin talking to anybody that wanted to

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dial in in the world that has the technology that's ubiquitous and that we could be in

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Dresden, Germany at a nationalist rally.

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We're going to see if these are all white supremacists like we've been told.

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I don't see one white supremacist there.

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If you don't want your country wide open, people coming in that rape your women telling

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you you've got to submit to them.

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I don't see any Nazi regalia except for that Skull and Bones flag.

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I don't know that's a Nazi flag, but usually the death is associated with that.

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I've never seen Millie Weaver before in my entire life.

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Right.

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I have no idea.

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Maybe that has something to do with Nazi.

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Somebody has told me in the past that it has something to do.

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I've never heard it.

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Somebody said Nazi.

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Who said Skull and Bones, Dan?

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I fucking love that moment.

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Skull and Bones flag.

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That's like what a joke of the Alex Jones show would be.

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He has sent his reporter to a nationalist rally in Germany and clearly he has a vested

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interest in showing that it's not any Nazis.

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No Nazis.

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There's no Nazis.

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Except for that.

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Well, there's that Nazi right there.

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All right.

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Just the tone too.

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God.

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Do you know what he is?

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He's worried.

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He's mad at Rob.

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Well, no.

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He's mad at Josh.

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Josh is the cameraman.

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Cameraman.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Don't you hear it?

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Except for that Skull and Bones flag.

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Yeah.

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I think you're probably right.

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That is an optics issue.

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Yeah.

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You were not supposed to let any of those Nazis on.

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But I think there also might be just a sense of like, I don't know, maybe there are a bunch

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of those Skull flags.

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So we've got to rationalize it.

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He realizes that like, okay, the presentation is that this isn't some kind of a fucked up

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rally.

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So now we see this flag that could be Nazi in nature.

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We don't know exactly.

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But we have to preemptively explain it.

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Probably be the Fed there to discredit him.

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Because if there's one of those flags there, Merkel then claims she can shut down the whole

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event.

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Ah.

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So the flag is probably just a Fed who's there.

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So Alex is being a little bit dishonest when he talks about this rally.

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No.

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According to Dutchewell, just two days prior to this episode being recorded, there had

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been an actually large Nazi rally in Dortmund in Germany.

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Except for that large Nazi rally, Dan.

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900 members of the ultra-right wing nationalist groups, many of them explicitly neo-Nazis,

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took part in that march, which was met by approximately 5,000 counter-demonstrators,

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and according to this article, luckily ended in quote, little violence.

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Oh, that's nice.

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Yeah.

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Huh.

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The migrant crisis that was happening around this time was inspiring a real surge in neo-Nazi

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and closely related sensibilities in Europe, which were being whitewashed and sanitized

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by being called nationalism.

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It's hard to say what this rally that Rob is at is actually at this point, but this

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is on Monday and that Saturday there was a rally in Dresden that was run by Pegida, which

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is an extreme right wing group that is aggressively anti-Islam and anti-immigrant in character.

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Pegida is based in Dresden, so it seems like it's probably another one of their gatherings,

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which would mean that it's not some cool rally about people who just love Germany.

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It seems possible that they would hold rallies as frequently as this, because The Guardian

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reported in 2015 that Pegida were quote, holding weekly demonstrations in Dresden against what

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it perceives as the Islamization of Europe.

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It's hard to say for sure at this point, but it will be confirmed later, but it really

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seems to me that Alex sent his news director to Germany to whitewash a rally being run

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by explicit xenophobic fascists.

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Yeah, that does sound right.

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We're in a real Molyneux kind of situation right here.

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That's what I'm feeling.

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Yep.

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Just change the country.

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Yep.

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So Alex has seen this video.

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There's just a global cult ball of Nazis all around the world working together to create

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a one world fascist government.

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Dan.

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It's troubling.

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It is troubling, isn't it?

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Yep.

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So Alex is, he's got this video going on Skype.

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And it turns out another thing that's been consistent is that Skype don't work.

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We've lost our Skype feed.

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I'm going to get back up in a moment and go to them before I go any further, though, obviously

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it is extremely expensive to have Rob do and Josh Owens and Paul Watson who's about to

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be there in Germany.

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Alex's tech issues are consistent, but you see a very different response to them.

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He's not angry.

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He's not freaking out.

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He's like, Oh, we got Skype issue.

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We lost the connection.

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I'll go to a plug.

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Skype issues happen.

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Right.

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Good time.

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Good time to tell you how much expensive this is and you should buy our products.

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That seems like a really rational, normal person hosting a show as opposed to being

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like, fuck it.

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Players pressure report.

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I'm leaving.

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Oh, I don't even want to do the show anymore.

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You know, sometimes the Skype is just down, Dan.

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Yeah.

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It's not like sometimes the Skype just goes down.

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Nobody cuts you off.

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Yeah.

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Nobody turns off your feed.

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Nope.

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Skype just goes down.

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Alex finally gets Rob on and he talks about how that morning they'd been in another city

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in Germany and they'd interviewed a migrant individual.

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And Alex has to correct him to just be a total shithead.

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We did have an interesting interview today.

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We stopped in a small town of about 40,000 people where they house about 11,000 migrants.

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Illegal invaders brought in by the EU to break the border.

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Go ahead.

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Exactly.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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That's incredible.

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Alex is, you know, when I suspect that this is a pagita rally that Alex has sent his reporters

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to, and he acts like that, it's kind of like, oh yeah, it's probably a pagita rally.

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Oh man.

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Probably.

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I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that name might be a little too long.

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You know, as far as the lead goes, sometimes you want to shorten it down, you know, to

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fit it in there.

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You don't want to go with illegal invader immigrants from plan nine outer space coming

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to killing all of us and the statue of liberty.

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Yeah.

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So I think Alex is a little bit shook by the fact that there was this flag that could be

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a Nazi flag.

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So he really needs to insist that these people are not Nazis, but then also kind of be like,

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well, Nazis are good if they are fascist.

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So well, they're not Nazis, but if they were, that'd be great.

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So you got an anti globalist to get the program.

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You got a bunch of nationalists, people with state flags.

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I saw one that has a skull and crossbones, but it says something on the top that could

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be fascist related, but that's, they're right.

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Uh, you know, if they have any free speech, but let's find out there.

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I saw at least two, there's one there and I'll see if I can find another one close to

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the top.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that's just a party, buddy.

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Good boy.

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So there's more.

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You guys are so bad at this.

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So there's more.

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Why would you say I'm looking for more?

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Of course there's more, buddy.

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And Alex has a sneaking suspicion.

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It's just a party.

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What, like the Nazi party?

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What party are you talking about?

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I like that there's suddenly there.

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This is aliens now.

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They're like, oh no, there's one over there.

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There's one over there.

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There's one there on the ceiling.

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They're all around us.

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So there's a counter demonstration going on along with this rally and, uh, uh, Rob's talking

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about it a little bit and Alex gets a little bit distracted, but you could see maybe about

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40, 50 at the most they're chanting and they're, uh, they got the, uh, communist flag right

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there.

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So these are communist leftist here that are pro, uh, illegal immigration and pro migration.

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They want to fund this stuff.

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They want to basically sell their future down the river because they've been told more attention

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to that blonde police officer from one place.

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What get out of here.

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Alex is a little out of here.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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You cannot do that.

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As the kids say, Alex is a little horny on main.

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I saw, I, I, you know, I saw this and I was like, that's Alex, my man, that is real.

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That's what I expect from this guy.

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Brett bears dude.

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A remote.

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Hold on one second.

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Get a little bit closer on that piece over there.

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It's not appropriate.

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You're fired and you are immediately fired.

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What's interesting about this though is that Alex seems really horny.

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And then here in Dresden, you have this large, let's go back to that female police officer.

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What was that?

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Alex?

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I'm serious.

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Let's go back to the female police officer.

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I'm sorry.

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I've had a little fun.

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I apologize.

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Uh, no, no.

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Uh, feel free to ask him.

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Anybody speaks English and see if they want to talk to her to, uh, you know, see what

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she thinks.

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I don't think they're allowed to talk.

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I could go.

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I know.

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I don't care.

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Just go talk to her.

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This is like, I'm, I'm laughing because this is so outrageous.

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It is.

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It's beyond parody.

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Yeah.

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Like you can't imagine Alex is trying to play this game where he's like, ha ha, I'm just

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kidding.

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But seriously fucking talk to that hot cop.

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This is, this is fucked up.

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You should be fired for this.

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This is a fireable offense.

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I mean, I think we talk a lot about how like one of the crippling problems of this show

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is that he has no boss.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It is a, it is a, is a limitation.

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Yeah.

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I can't stop laughing because this is, it's not even, this is just such disgusting behavior.

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Yeah.

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It's so disgusting.

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It's beyond reason.

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And this interview does get worse.

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Of course it does.

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Because Rob ends up talking to one of the counter demonstrators.

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Oh no.

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Okay.

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Uh, one of the counter demonstrators speaks English and he talks to Rob and he's actually

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a pretty sensible interview and that's a problem.

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That's a huge problem.

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So, uh, but also I do appreciate this person because they do end up confirming that they're

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there to counter protest a pagita rally.

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So my suspicion is confirmed by this clip.

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Speak English?

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All right.

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This guy's just a trendy.

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He's supposed to pick women up.

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What's the name of your group and why are you here?

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Um, uh, pagita is versus the refugees, which come to Germany into Driesen and we are here

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to say no to pagita because we want the refugees.

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We want to help the people who come here.

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So, um, it's a pagita rally.

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It's a pagita rally.

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Yep.

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So that's great.

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We're protesting Nazis.

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Yeah.

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We've seen this happen a number of times in the past and, um, it's the, this phenomenon

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that happens when Alex has somebody in the field and he thinks they're not doing a good

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enough job.

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Right.

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Um, Rob is trying to have a conversation with this guy trying to ask obviously leading questions,

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but Alex is not satisfied.

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He wants him to hit it with gotchas.

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Yeah.

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And so he ends up just talking over this interview.

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Of course.

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That's when it's okay how they treat their women.

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Okay.

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What about in Muslim countries, the way they treat their women, do you think that's okay

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to do that here?

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What?

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The way they treat their women, make them cover up.

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They can beat them.

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They can stone them.

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Um, I think this is a kind of education, which we have to bring them nearer.

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That's right.

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They have to be educated.

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Explain it.

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They don't assimilate anywhere.

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Explain.

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They're just little, little, little people.

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Ah, yes.

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Great.

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Great.

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Yeah.

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Hey, hit him with the bottom line of our bigoted xenophobic worldview.

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Why ask a question when you can just tell them how he's supposed to respond?

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Exactly.

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You idiot.

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Yeah.

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So the guy has responses that don't fit into the Infowars mold, which is Rob is asking

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this question that's supposed to be a trap, but the guy is saying, like, there are other

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cultures that behave in ways that, you know, you don't, we don't support violence, like

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spousal violence.

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Yeah.

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And so that's something that we need to help people understand isn't appropriate.

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And, uh, you know, they think it's a trap and it's not, and that's bad because you don't

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want to run away from this interview because he can handle your questions.

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And at the same time, you don't have any other questions you can throw at him.

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Not really.

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So Alex just ends up having to talk over it.

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This guy will be given a job later over people that work.

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This is a dumb parasite.

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So stupid.

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He doesn't know he's one.

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Bring up the blonde police officer and she'd have to wear a beekeeper suit.

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Say, do you understand the Muslims takeover?

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This woman couldn't even be a police officer.

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Ask the idiot.

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I'm still horny for that cop.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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Now I'm graduating from just straight misogyny and just fucking patriarchal chauvinist behavior.

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I'm going to wrap that up in Islamophobic bigotry, buddy.

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Talk to that.

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Tell that hot cop that I want that she's going to be an Islamic beekeeper.

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It's interesting because Alex is trying to deflect from this interview not going well.

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And at the same time, he's sort of shaming Rob and illustrating like, these are the thoughts

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that I would have and the way I would yell at this person if I were there and they show

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why you're not as good as me at this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And...

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It's dominant behavior.

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Yeah.

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It's very much like...

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Very alpha.

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Very alpha.

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Yeah.

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Very alpha.

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Like lizard brain kind of shit going on right here.

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Yeah.

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So I mentioned earlier that there's a surprise appearance.

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And here's where that happens.

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Steve Pagenek's mom!

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No.

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This almost knocked me out of my chair.

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Okay.

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Hey, interview that blonde reporter right behind you.

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She's walking around beside you.

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Josh knows who she is.

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To your left, Josh.

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That's Lauren Southern.

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Hey, Lauren.

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What the fuck?

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She's from Canada.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Lauren Southern!

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What the fuck?

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Why is she there?

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Lauren Southern's at the

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What is wrong?

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What is fucking wrong?

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Well, because Lauren Southern's involved with European fascists.

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Of course she is.

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Yeah.

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Of course she is.

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Come on.

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It's not today.

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I wasn't expecting it today.

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No.

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I told you before we started recording that I was listening to this and everything just

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kept getting weirder.

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And that's one of the things that I was like...

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I was listening to this and I was like, what the fuck?

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Who invited you?

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Rob Doo is in the middle of fucking Dresden doing this remote and Lauren Southern shows

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up.

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Oh, hey, it's Lauren Southern.

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Come on over here.

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This Canadian asshole just happens to be at the same Piquita rally in Dresden.

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All right, guys.

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So he starts interviewing Lauren.

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What's that?

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Andy Ngo?

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What are you doing over here?

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Get on over here.

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Come on.

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I don't think he was relevant at this point.

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No, I don't think so either.

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So Lauren and Rob start having a conversation and it gets really clear really quick.

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First of all, that Lauren is aggressively Islamophobic.

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Love Nazis.

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Second thing is that Alex feels so left out.

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The two of them are having a conversation.

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They're having a good time and he's in studio and he's like, I want to go to Germany.

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The two of them are sort of like hitting sort of anti-immigrant Islamophobic points back

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and forth.

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And Alex is just sort of the ghost in the studios like, hey, ask this.

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It's kind of sad.

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That's funny.

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A lot of people don't seem to understand that Islam is a religion and not a race, right?

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And it's the details that they're not interested in.

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Or that it treats women like animals.

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We can't judge people and we don't know about them.

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And he said, I've never read the Quran, so I can't judge them, right?

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I'm like, well, maybe you should talk to the Quran.

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Rob, do announce where you are to the listeners.

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It's just really quiet.

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The adults are talking.

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It's really weird because you know that Lauren doesn't have an earpiece in, so she can't

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hear the things that Alex is saying.

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It's like he's a toddler, like jumping up and grabbing Rob Dues arm sleeve like, hey,

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tell her to be racist.

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Hey, come on, do it racist for me.

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Tell her, amp it up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Very strange.

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So I think maybe I'd have to just be guessing here, but it partially I'm going to go ahead

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and decide to report on air that Alex felt left out by the two of them.

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So much like the person who's at the party who goes and sits in the corner, he ends up

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going to talk to Josh Owens.

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Let's interview the cameraman.

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Josh Owens always busted his butt and he's gone jihadi there.

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He's got the the beard so that so that he can infiltrate the camps.

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We're being we're joking.

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We're joking.

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So I could ask you questions, but you've been in Germany 24 hours already kick butt.

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What do you want to impart?

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What have you picked up in day one of this 10 10 day Operation Infowars?

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Well, look, Alex, one thing that I don't think was conveyed in the video that we posted yesterday

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when we went to this migrant camp, all we wanted to do was simply speak to people.

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So I don't care about his perspective of going to this migrant camp, particularly because

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he has written an article about how at his time at Infowars, they staged news stories

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in order to incite animus towards Muslims.

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So it seems to me this probably this is exactly one of those.

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Yeah.

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Go fuck yourself.

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Yeah.

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So the interview wraps up and Alex has a bit of a story that he's posted on Infowars.

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I don't know how to explain this because it doesn't really make sense.

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At this time, there was a lot of talk about the wall, build the wall, share, share, share.

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And so they found a wall in Germany that they're calling a medieval Trump wall.

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So that's that's what's going on.

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A lot of successful German walls, if I remember, certainly.

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That's up on Infowars.com medieval Trump wall found in Germany.

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Now they built walls back then to stop the Muslims to see they invade.

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That's what they do.

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There are a lot of Muslims that are nice people, but it's definitely a religion of conquest

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big time.

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This is so explicitly Islamophobic.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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And just like a base level, no frills, nothing like not hiding behind anything.

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Just that's what they do.

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Like it's wild.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty in your face.

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Just wild.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not surprised.

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Yeah.

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No.

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I mean, it's almost it's almost strange to hear it so targeted now.

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You know, in the context of 2020, it seems like all racism is now shotgun blasting out

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of Alex at any, you know, like fucking non-white just doesn't matter, you know.

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But here it's focused and targeted on just well, also on these black students of women

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in general as anything other than sex objects.

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I think you might.

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You know what?

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I'm just like, fuck.

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This is a dick.

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Well, I think what it is, is that Alex talks about all of these various things and bigotries

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in different stories, as opposed to one just sort of grenade.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Maybe that's maybe that's what I was trying to say.

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Yeah.

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That's a good point.

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So Alex, like I said, is varsity narrative.

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The big one is this talk about Trump's VP.

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Yes.

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And now that we've gotten Rob in Germany out of the way, Alex starts teasing again.

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All right.

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So the headline here is, and we're going to premiere it, Trump VP pick leaked.

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Now, now I'm not throwing stone under the bus.

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You're going to discover what really happened.

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But you know, when I figure something out for myself, I figure it out.

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So and it's not 100% set in stone, but little birdies, not just stone, little birdie said

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95%.

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So you're going to hear it here first, ladies and gentlemen, 95% little birdies, all of

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it.

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I love me a 95% serious addiction.

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He's doing it right.

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He's teasing.

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He's doing his job.

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No, he's doing great.

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Yeah.

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And he's not committing.

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He's giving you a nice little look.

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I know everybody knows.

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You don't know.

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And maybe it's not true, but I know I'm cool.

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So Lauren Southern was the out of nowhere cameo.

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And then there was, I told you that there was a guest that was surprising.

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Yes.

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And here is that guest that is surprising.

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Uh, Tucker Carlson, great to have you here with us.

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What the fuck?

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Tucker Carlson.

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Yeah.

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Tucker.

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Tucker Carlson.

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Tucker Carlson.

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Tucker Carlson went on Infowars?

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Well, I mean, he's been on Infowars a number of times, but I didn't realize this recently.

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Yeah.

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Like I know that back in the much earlier times, the two of them had some almost adversarial,

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but not hostile conversations because Alex was far more libertarian and Tucker was more

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mainstream conservative.

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Right.

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At least those were their brands at the time.

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I know that, I don't know the dates on them, but I've seen Tucker with Alex, but in June

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2016, it seemed like that's too late.

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That shouldn't be.

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That seems like at a point when Tucker would have wanted to...

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Stay away.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Cause he has at least some sense about him, about like optics and associations.

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Is it just me or is it, is being on Infowars not, is it disqualifying now, but it wasn't

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then?

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No, it was then.

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It should have been then too, right?

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It was then for a lot of people.

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It should have been then, for everyone.

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No, it made you look bad in 2016 for sure.

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It turns out that there are some people who flew under the radar.

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Just to unmute.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Tucker, I think people just didn't notice.

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Yeah.

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Well, there's that.

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And Trump, it was just kind of like a, what are you going to do?

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There's a hundred issues.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Put it on the fucking pile.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But this is where I, you know, like I'm often accused of being a witch and this is where

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I think you're a witch because you chose this episode and we've got Rob do going to a fucking

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fascist rally in Dresden and running into Lauren Southern on the streets.

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We've got Alex saying that Trump pushed racist buttons, but hey, probably went probably not

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that big of a problem.

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Probably went too far, but it's not that big.

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We got fucking Tucker Carlson showing up.

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This is weird.

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It is weird.

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It is weird.

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Maybe it's just back then stuff used to happen on his show.

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I don't think so.

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It can't be.

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This is excitement.

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I know.

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This is nonstop.

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This is the fast and furious of Info Wars episodes.

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Certainly in terms of guest stars.

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Yeah.

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Star power.

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I know from listening to other eras of his show that this is not how the show used to

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be all the time.

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This is a good episode that ended up randomly getting picked, but like it is still like

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a completely different show.

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Very different.

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So the reason that Tucker is on is because he had gone to a conference or summit of some

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sort that involved people from Facebook and Glenn Beck was there.

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And it turns out Glenn Beck wasn't cool or something.

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And simultaneously Glenn Beck had just been kicked off something.

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I think maybe serious or something.

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And so Alex hates Glenn Beck.

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Cool.

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It seems like a great time for the two of them to have a conversation.

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Tucker has said some bad things about Glenn Beck.

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We're going to have a great time.

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Yeah.

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And so because he was at this summit with these social media folks, Mark Zuckerberg

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was there.

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So Alex opens with a joke about Mark Zuckerberg.

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Now I don't normally go off people's looks, but if we pull up a photo of Zuckerberg.

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Oh I do.

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I'm being sarcastic.

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I'm being sarcastic.

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Sure.

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But he does look like he could actually play Nosferatu without any prosthetic fake teeth.

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I mean, he does have vampiric teeth.

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That is hilarious.

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You know, he didn't go for my neck.

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I'm proud to say.

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Fake laugh?

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Whoa.

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Question mark?

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I don't know.

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I think it was a fake laugh.

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It should be a fake laugh.

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I think it was a fake laugh because he said that's hilarious.

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Yeah.

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It better be a fake laugh.

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Yeah, probably.

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And Tucker is just charming enough to be able to be like, hey, Alex wants to be funny.

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That's hilarious.

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I'm going to make him feel funny.

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Yeah, that was not funny.

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No.

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So they get to talk about Glenn Beck and Mike down for this clip because this is so amazing.

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Okay.

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I got to say, I mean like Tucker Carlson is a smart guy and by that I think he knows the

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way the wind blows.

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Sure.

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He's been able to, with some competence, present himself in ways, like he's not an idiot.

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He's phoenixed like three times, right?

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Like he died on crossfire when John Stewart, yeah.

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He's gone away and come back enough times to know that the man can navigate.

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And even in those times, bow tie era, other era, now fascist era.

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Just to shit bag the whole time.

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Yeah, definitely.

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But not somebody who is like Alex.

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He's very clearly much more adept at things.

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And that's why he is like on the top rated show on cable news.

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He clawed his way out of the basement.

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He's there because, for a reason.

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And Alex is where he is for a reason.

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I think that Tucker makes a lot of good points, honestly.

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And one of the points that he makes that we're not going to get into too much, but I do think

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deserves a call out, is he's not saying that Facebook and Twitter and all these companies

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need to be destroyed or anything, but there are concerns that we should talk about about

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the ways in which they engage with foreign governments.

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Like the ways that foreign governments have laws that are counter to American laws.

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So for these companies to operate in foreign countries, they follow the foreign countries

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laws, but they're an American company.

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That kind of thing.

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He's not saying that we need to stop all of it across the board, but that's not a non-valid

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conversation to have.

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It's a huge conversation to have.

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And he expresses it fairly decently.

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And this point that he makes when talking about Glenn Beck is a great, great point.

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And it follows Alex making not so great a point about why he thinks Glenn Beck is out

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to get him.

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Sure.

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One time I was there to go on other shows, and the Fox high-level producer, a name everyone

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would know, has their own show on Fox, but also produces stuff, came over, had a steak

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with me at lunch, or part of a steak, they had a smaller steak, and I sat there after

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I'd just been on The View, and he looked right at me and said, Glenn Beck is climbing the

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walls that you're about to be let in to be on a bunch of shows.

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And I said, well, I've already been offered a show.

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They don't want me to do a pilot with Mancow.

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I turned that down last year.

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And I said, why does he care?

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And he goes, look, trust me, he runs the whole place.

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He's probably going to get kicked out.

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He's crazy.

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But he thinks he's Jesus.

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Now that was the quote.

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Now I've been told that by so many others.

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What was your take on Glenn Beck?

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Well, I mean, my general view of Glenn Beck is that he's super talented.

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I mean, he's much more talented than I am.

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That's for sure.

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Radio, as you know, is great preparation for any kind of broadcasting because you have

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to fill all this air by yourself.

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And it takes a talented man to do that again.

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More talented than I am.

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Glenn Beck is a really talented guy.

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But when he started to conflate his own radio career with some sort of religious mission,

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you know, he lost me.

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And I mean, I'm a pretty mainstream Episcopalian.

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Maybe that's maybe it's my fault.

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I didn't understand it.

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But there was this mystic element that craft cultic to his rhetoric.

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I mean, it made me uncomfortable.

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I will say that.

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Hey, Tucker, I got bad news about the guy you're talking to.

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Boy.

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Oh, boy.

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Isn't that interesting, though?

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It's not.

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It's not.

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It's interesting.

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No, it's interesting, but it's interesting in that kind of like there's a tweet for everything

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kind of way.

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Something is interesting where it's like, you know that they know, like they know, but

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I they fucking know, I bet that Tucker wouldn't be on Alex's show now.

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No, absolutely.

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He's on tomorrow.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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I love your evangelical outreach show, Alex.

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This is really going great.

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I mean, he had Tucker on his show has defended Alex about various things, but they're all

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things that you could, as I recall, I don't remember a lot of the specifics, but a lot

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of them were things that were like, all right, I get what you're saying here.

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It's a dumb argument.

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I get why based on your brand, you would need to protect Alex or defend him.

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You'd still never have him on your show.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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But yeah, it's it.

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It's really interesting because Tucker is, is coming from a place of, of humility, humbleness,

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modesty that's like, he's much more talented than I am.

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Radio is very hard, but it's nuts when you take your radio thing and make it a religious

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mission.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if he's just, and Alex says that's culty.

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Yeah.

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Alex's response is so obvious, so obvious.

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Of course he was smash cut to the present day.

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Alex saying the literal Christian Satan is running the opposition to Trump.

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I forgot.

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We have not heard.

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This is the six, six, 16 episode.

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Nobody has claimed that the devil is running anything.

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Not a mention of the devil, not a mention of the devil and no mention up to this point

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of anything.

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Six, six, six related, which is devil, which is really surprising to me.

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I thought at least there would be a joke or something.

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I haven't cut out any mention of a, isn't it funny?

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The date.

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Yeah.

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And like, I'll be honest with you.

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One of the reasons that this was really refreshing and fun to listen to fun and heavy quotes

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comparatively to the present day is he's not just yelling about the literal Christian devil

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all the time.

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He's not yelling about pedophiles all the time.

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It's not talking about how they want to drink your blood.

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It's not that.

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And Tucker is right, things do get out of control and completely unwieldy once you enter

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that level of things.

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When your ostensibly political show becomes some sort of a religious mission, everything

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you're saying stops making sense.

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And Alex's show is probably in some ways motivated by that extremist religion, but it's not as

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forward facing at this point.

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The actual product has like, here's a story.

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Now maybe it's about a dumb viral video in San Francisco state, but at least it's something

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that happened.

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Right.

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You know, it's not just the devil wants to get you in a basement so he can scare you

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and drink your children's blood.

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But here's what happens.

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They're living in the world that ostensibly they have always said they wanted and it turns

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out it's shit.

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And so you can either try and defend your monster president or you can say that the

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devil is killing him and everybody else is so evil they are eating children.

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You can only, you can only give a value judgment to your guy by decreasing the value of your

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enemy so low.

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And it's a losing game.

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Which is evidence of how shitty your guy is.

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Yeah.

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It's the same problem that is that joke about like bad improv.

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It's like, you know, the person who pulls a gun, it's like you've heightened things

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too far.

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We can't take this to another level.

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Now I'm Magneto and I control metal or whatever.

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Everything gets out of control way too fucking fast.

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And when Alex spends all of his time with the stakes being this sort of spiritual dichotomy

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between the left and the Trump, it just becomes, there's nowhere to escalate it from his end.

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Like where do you go after they want to kill all of your children to drink their blood

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because it's a sacrament to Satan?

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There isn't another level above that.

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Not particularly until Trump actually sacrifices a kid to Satan and then they have to find

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a new way to make the left even worse than that.

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I guess you can measure how bad a Republican governance is by how evil they have to make

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the left out to be.

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It's a very simple correlation.

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If the worse a Republican governance is, the more the Republicans go out of their way to

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escalate how terrible the left is.

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Like if you look at the Republican National Convention now, you know how terrible Trump

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is compared to just fucking Bush.

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Just because Bush wasn't like, if you don't vote for me, the world will burn in fire and

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flames.

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None shall walk the earth, abandon hope all year.

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That's how bad he is.

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Well, I think I've heard this comparison made or this sort of trend be pointed out.

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I'm not entirely sure how one to one it tracks, but when the Republicans are out of power,

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the talk is always fiscal responsibility and the budget and all these sort of concrete

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things and numbers and all these arguments.

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And then as soon as they get into power, everything becomes culture war bullshit.

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It seems like that tracks to what I feel I've experienced in my life.

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I can't really claim to be an expert and prove that.

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Just tell me about the deficit one more time.

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No.

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Deficit?

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So here's Alex and Tucker talking more about how creepy it is that going back to

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him saying he has the only answer and that and that Cruz is this anointed one and that

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the children are their new priest and that if we don't do what they say, we're going

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to hell.

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That is Jim Jones territory.

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Well, it scared the hell out of me.

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I got to say it again, I don't want to be judgmental, but it freaks me out when people

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talk like that.

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I mean, this is politics.

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The point of politics is by definition, it's a secular endeavor.

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We're trying to solve differences without violence, without reference, without reference

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to the hereafter.

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We're trying to do this in a sort of reasonable way using logic, reason, right?

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And when you all of a sudden start imputing religious motives or significance to the politicians

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you support, that it gets way too heavy and weird for me.

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And also, by the way, the implication is if my guy is the Messiah or I'm the Messiah and

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you disagree with him or me, you're damned.

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You're literally looking at eternal damnation.

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Don't do it.

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And that's just a level of discourse that I'm not comfortable with because once you

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believe the person you're competing against is not just wrong, but it justifies almost

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any kind of action, including violence.

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And so it makes me uncomfortable.

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How fucking dare you?

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I have bad news for Tucker about the guy he's talking to.

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Let he who is not a right wing grifter cast the first stone.

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That to me hearing that was like, you make a lot of sense.

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You make a lot of sense, unfortunately.

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It's you.

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Unfortunately, the show you're on is exactly what you're talking about.

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When you turn your president into a God King, bad things happen.

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Thanks, Tucker.

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Good work.

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Great.

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We'll see you in four years.

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So we get back to this VP thing.

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Alex wants to tease it by seeing what Tucker thinks.

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Sure.

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VP pick?

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I mean, obviously, Jeff Sessions will always be my first choice because I think he's the

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smartest.

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He's the most impressive member of the Senate, the most on immigration and trade.

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OK.

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Have you heard that, though?

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I mean, I'm asking you.

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No, I have not heard that.

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We're about to come back with Roger Stone.

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We're going to get.

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I mean, I got.

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But I'll tell you.

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OK.

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So Jeff Sessions.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's my hope.

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And I hope he doesn't try and stunt cast it.

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I mean, that my concern is he'll try to overthink it.

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Get someone flaky who you've never heard of, who isn't smart or interesting.

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Yeah.

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They're talking about having a war in with Clinton for the double stunt of two women.

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No, no.

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No more gimmicks.

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We need the real deal.

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That's exactly right.

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No more gimmicks.

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Sessions.

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Oh.

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Tucker wants Sessions.

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Oh, man.

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So Alex goes out to break after the Tucker interview.

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Just pimping this interview with Roger about the vice president.

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Sure.

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Come back with Roger Stone.

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The Empire.

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This is going to be big.

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OK.

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You want to know who the VP is?

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Get ready.

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Are we about to leak it?

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Find out in three minutes.

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Professional.

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That's great.

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He knows what he's doing.

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That's good stuff.

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We want to keep people around.

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Here it comes.

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Don't scream, stop at your stoplights.

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No.

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Look at, wrap your everybody around that.

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I'm sure.

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You're going to need to.

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I'm sure that within a couple weeks of this episode, either in the past or in the future.

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100%.

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He did tell people to stop.

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100%.

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But this is a good job.

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Yes.

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Just because he does a bad job all the time doesn't mean we can't celebrate.

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He has it within him at this point to do something right.

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Yes.

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From a reputation standpoint.

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That's a good way of putting it.

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Which is so goddamn foreign to me, which is the only reason that I even make a point of

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it.

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I know.

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It's baffling to me that he didn't just say, I think it's X.

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It really is a completely different show.

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You texted me multiple times listening to this going, there's no way, this is not the

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same show.

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It's not the same show.

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It's day and night.

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It's so different.

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Yeah.

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And it's weird that he still supported Trump at this point.

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It's not like it's a cut and dry, black and white thing there.

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It's like as soon as he accepted Trump and was supporting him, it became what he is now,

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which is... I don't even know.

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I mean, let's be honest though.

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The last four years have broken everyone.

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In a lot of ways, yeah.

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Say what you want about The Right Wing.

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They're busted ass too.

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It's not like they're weathering the storm better than us.

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They're all fucking insane.

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Look at them.

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We do this show.

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Exactly.

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We're insane too.

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Everybody's broken now.

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We're all fucked.

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Yeah.

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It's great.

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So Alex comes back from break and instead of going straight to the report, he talks

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a little bit to set up the report and he wants to talk about how cool Roger Stone is.

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This guy's fucking cool.

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He loves his mom.

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Stone's the only guy that's not a yes man to Trump, basically.

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He wants the inside baseball.

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He's a really interesting guy.

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God, he wanted to get to know me years ago and I was too busy and now I want to be friends

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with this guy.

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I mean, no wonder he was like best buddies with Nixon after Nixon got out of office.

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They hung out and everything a lot, I mean like on a weekly basis because he's just really

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funny and really smart and fun to hang out with and fun to drink a beer with too.

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If I were Roger and I heard that, I'd be like, I have got this guy.

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This guy is on the hook.

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I could do whatever.

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I could take over his business.

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Yeah.

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Isn't this like the moment in Ocean's Eleven where this is like we're in.

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This is Roger looking at everybody.

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This is right.

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Step two of the plan is complete.

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This is where a confidence man is like, I have achieved confidence.

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Oh man, I feel like I'm watching Dirty Rod and Scoundrels.

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That bummed me out.

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Oh God.

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So anyway, here is where the special report begins and Alex talks.

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It's Michael Caine.

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Well, this is really interesting because Alex is talking to Roger, but at the same time

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is doing a little bit of a setup where he pretends that he's not talking to Roger.

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And I pressed him hard.

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Who is the VP pick?

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Has Trump decided yet?

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And he said, you know, I'm not going to tell you what I think or what I know until we do

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just a special report and we will put it out there in the public.

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But he said, only one man knows and that's Donald Trump.

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And I said, okay, well, I have no dog in the fight against Corey Lewandowski.

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I mean, I defended him, you know, when that woman said he pushed her down and all that

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looked like he just kind of shoved her, but whatever.

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But he is on Fox last Sunday and all over saying he's running it.

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He's deciding.

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So it's weird because he's talking to Roger and he's telling the story using him.

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Yeah.

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He's he did this.

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It's very strange.

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And then I got to say, I'm amazed by this.

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Like, I don't like Corey Lewandowski, but I did defend him when everyone said he pushed

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over this woman.

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When in reality, he just shoved her.

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I look, I defended this guy when he committed a violent act against a woman.

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See, that's that's the thing, your your measurement of you, your loyalty to this guy is you protecting

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him from the worst thing that he's done.

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But I don't like and be mad that he doesn't hang out with you.

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I don't like that.

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I don't like that.

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He doesn't allow me to talk to Trump.

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And I don't like that.

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He goes and does interviews where he says that he's involved in choosing the V.P.

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Shove women over all day.

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What are we not going to toss women to the ground?

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What are we?

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Yeah.

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What is it?

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What is this?

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What has changed?

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Alex and Roger had dinner and we get back to this this Gulp slash gasp that Roger had

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at Alex's pick.

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I have staff who've come up with a name that when I said the name, you kind of gasped last

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night at dinner and said, don't say I said that.

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But yeah, that's I'll talk about it on air.

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So we're on air.

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We got ten and a half minutes left.

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You've got the floor.

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But people really want to know.

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This is one of the most important things ever.

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obviously not as the Trump campaign for the future of this country, but he puts

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a globalist in it'll be like George Herbert Walker Bush and the CIA you know

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shooting Reagan for the folks who don't know look into that. Oh boy.

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So HW killed Reagan? Apparently. Which is an interesting wrinkle in history. Yeah.

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So Reagan got pegged and Reagan's dead. Those are the two things I know. Jordan

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our next clip will reveal the pick. Mm-hmm. And I want you, I don't think that

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I've done anything to indicate what name gets said. Not at all, not at all. We know

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because we're in 2020 that it is Mike Pence. It is Mike Pence. They could have

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guessed Mike Pence. They could have guessed somebody else. Didn't guess Mike Pence.

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I would like for you to come up with a list of three names that you think they

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are going to. Alright. And I'd like for you to, if possible, I know this is putting

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you on the spot, go from most likely to least likely. Alright. I am going to

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say for these guys world I'm gonna go with number one pick Ted Cruz. Okay. Alright.

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Number two pick for fun, Joanne Reid. Number three pick I'm gonna go with

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Judge Napolitano. Judge Napolitano was in the running for the Supreme Court. We do know that.

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Interesting choice of picks. I know that Roger has said some positive things

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about Napolitano in the past. I don't think they like Joanne Reid. I'm gonna,

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I'm gonna, that was a fun joke. That was a fun one. I'm gonna say that your first

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pick is flawed because you forget that this is during that period where they

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hated her. Ted Cruz was the Zodiac Killer. That's right. I forgot about that. His dad killed Kennedy. Yes, exactly.

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And his wife was fucking ugly and all this. This is during that weird period because

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Alex loved Ted Cruz before. He's a Tea Party guy. Yeah, yeah. He's great. He's one of the best

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well-spoken folks. And then afterwards, after he submitted to Trump, he became

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good again. But during that period, especially during the primary and in the

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beginning of the sort of ramp up to the general, they did not like Ted Cruz. Ted

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Cruz was the Glenn Beck candidate. Yeah. No, they're, they're cowardice and

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cravenness should be hounded upon them until the ends of their lives, right? Wow.

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Every single person should be followed around with people being, Ted Cruz should

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just be like, you're the Zodiac Killer. Your dad killed Kennedy. Your dad killed

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Kennedy. Your dad killed Kennedy. Every single day of his life, somebody should

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scream that into his face. You coward. Yeah. You know? Eh. Their prediction is you're

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wrong on all three counts. Okay. I think by process of elimination, one of the

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strongest contenders, the name you brought up, a guy that I like myself,

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would be Senator Jeff Sessions. Now, I've known Sessions back to the Alabama

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young Republicans in the 80s. It's all Jeff Sessions. Tucker wants him to be the

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candidate, and that's why Alex responded that way. I see it. He's like, do you

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have information? He got really excited. I took that to be he disagreed with Alex.

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Yeah, it was hard to read. That's kind of what I got the feel of is because he was

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like, oh shit, maybe you've actually got a real answer. I made, I'm making this

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shit up. Yeah. You know? No, no. I think that that I'm making this shit up feeling

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is 100% what was behind Alex's reaction to Tucker's statement. Instead it was

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confirmed as opposed to, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, no. Do you have anything more

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concrete than I do? Which is bullshit. But it's impossible to read that in the

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moment when he's talking to Tucker. Right, right, right, right. Because it could

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easily be like, oh shit, I was going to say. That's how I read it for sure. I was

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going to say Huckabee. For sure how I read it. And I don't want to be embarrassed.

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Exactly. Yeah. That's my feeling on Alex's default is I don't want to be

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embarrassed for something. I don't want to feel bad. Yeah, yeah. It's all Sessions. Wow.

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And you know what's interesting too is that Roger starts talking other names

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that he thinks might be in the mix. None of them are Mike Pence. Am I saying

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Trump has chosen Sessions? No. I think Joni Ernst, the senator from Iowa, is one

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of the candidates under consideration. Sure. I think that Miriam and Sheldon

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Adelson have very aggressively advocated Newt Gingrich, who I like personally. I

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think there's some drawbacks to his candidacy, but I think he is one that

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that Donald Trump has under consideration. What kind of drawbacks? I think the short list is

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an evolving list. It's an evolving list. That's how we get around it. I'm not saying anything. I ain't saying shit. I'm saying this right now. We're

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all putting content out. Doesn't matter if this has any basis as a reality. Yeah.

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We got to get ten minutes done. This is an evolving situation and so it's fine

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that in hindsight, the name that does become the VP is not mentioned once. Nowhere near. Joni

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Ernst. Joni Ernst. Ah, they were gonna have women involved. Sure. Sure. So Alex is

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talking to Roger here and he's trying to bring up like, yeah man, Sessions. It's

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got to be Sessions. And I know that because I've studied body language. I've

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watched Trump's body language with Sessions four or five times. He doesn't

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with anybody else. He literally bites his teeth and savors and just looks at him

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like he's in love with him. I mean, I mean, I'm sorry. The body language is

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something I've ever seen in Trump other than when he's, I mean, he actually, he

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really likes Sessions. So body language expert Alex Jones has realized that the

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two of them just hit it off. They're just like simpatico and they have

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the same ideas about immigration, so it's gonna be Sessions. It is not Sessions and

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Sessions becomes a villain later because he recused himself from the Russia stuff

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and did not like that. Seemed too weak for the MAGA crowd and they have

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turned on him quite a bit and then he lost his primary to get back into the

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Congress. They all knew. They all knew. Everybody knew. Everybody knew and they

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still convinced themselves that they could pull it off. Yeah. You know, it's,

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every part of this reminds me so much of reading about Stalin's closest group of

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friends and watching them disappear like one by one by one and you're like, you

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guys all knew that he was disappearing people. Well, I mean, you could have

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stopped being disappeared. Let's take murder out of the equation and like look

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at it on like a 30,000 foot view and then a closer view because you have like

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this glimpse of this 2016. Sure. Like Alex and Roger think that Sessions is

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gonna be the VP pick. Sessions is shamed out of the MAGA community. Yeah. They're

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complaining about Corey Lewandowski. He's someone who's not involved at all.

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Never to be seen from again. Barely remembered by people anymore. Is he's

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alive? Yeah. So you have that, like the Trump sphere, these people that they're

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talking about, that there's the palace intrigue about them. That's so important,

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completely irrelevant now, but then you take it into a sharper focus and you

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look at info wars and there's all these people who are there and now are gone,

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gone, either disgraced or or hate Alex now or are just mysteriously very

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conspicuous in their absence and it's like none of this stays. Yeah. And I

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understand there's turnover. Don't get me wrong. I'm not, I'm not saying that like

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every staff has to say completely the same, but it's a high level of folks that

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are all gone. You know what, what really bums me out, and I think they, I think at least the

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the non idiots know this, Republicans flourish, flourish, under a centrist

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president that they can hate. Yep. That is where they grow, they become

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such, they blossom into beautiful flowers and who gives a shit about the

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deficit and all of this because I think tan suits and they all get angry, but

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they all get safe. You know, they don't get, nobody gets bothered. Yeah. And then,

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then they get power and they realize how shitty they are and they're like, well

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it's obviously not our faults that we're so shitty. It's the literal devil. It has to be the

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devil. Yeah. It can't be that we're morons. Ugh. Yeah, because I think that while I

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don't agree with them, those fiscal arguments are at least possibly

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productive. People can at least like engage in reality because there's like,

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okay, you're actually finally saying 800 billion. Let's at least talk about 795 or

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805. Within a budget there's always something you could look at and discuss

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and be like, here's what, like let's talk about our priorities. Right. When you're

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talking about like a cataclysmic devil, deep state. What do you get under a

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centrist president? You get a massive Pentagon budget like you fucking love so

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much. You get corporate bailouts left and right like you fucking love so much. All

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you have to deal with is a little bit of extra health care and that's not even

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hard. You made that so toothless it doesn't even bother people. And it

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usually allows you to fundraise really well on yelling about it. Oh, look at how

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socialist this is. Yeah, the gradual sort of progressive policies and I mean

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progress, quite frankly, that is made is enough that you can fundraise off it

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effectively with your audience. And then they ruin their own lives because they

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forget that they're idiots and then when they get power they're like, well

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obviously we were right the whole time. They're so stupid. It's just sort of a

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larger version of what we talked about with Alex a lot and that is that he

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works almost only in an adversarial role. Yeah. He does not really work. And I

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think that through design or just habit, I don't know, I would not be a competent

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person to speak on this, but like for whatever reason the

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GOP and the right seems to only work adversarially. Yeah. They do not seem to

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work all that effectively when they're in charge. Right. And there's Democrats...

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What do you mean for one reason? Democrats have a lot of problems too, but

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it seems like their party is at least a bit more competent in terms of... They're

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capable of writing down words. Right. That's borderline where we're at. One of

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them is not a great driver, the other's hammered. Yeah. That's kind of... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's a great way of putting it. So we have one last clip here, Jordan. One of them

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swerves around on the wrong side of the road in Britain. Yeah. And the other one

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is shit-faced. So we have one last clip and it's... Alex has this pre-recorded

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thing so he just leaves. Yeah. David Knight is hosting the fourth hour and so

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when David Knight comes in... I mean I hate David Knight, he's boring as hell, but he

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gives us exactly what we need three hours into this episode. Welcome back to

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the Alex Jones show on this Monday 6 6 16. Of course I just mentioned that to

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Alex Jones. He says, oh we got to do Facebook mentions on that. We're gonna

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come in and talk about what's going on with that because we've seen a lot of

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news this week. We've had the Satanists in LA saying that they're going to set

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up a pentagram and mark out the five points around LA claiming it for Satan

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as if that already hadn't been done with. It's kind of redundant to do that. Good

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joke, David. That's a nice little button. Thank you, David. Thanks, David. That's a nice little stick. That's a nice little put the button on it, the episode's over. I really feel like that sums it up perfectly. Yeah. It was pretty interesting to me that David Knight came in and immediately addressed the elephant in the room. That is, that it's 6 6 16. And apparently Alex had no idea? Yeah. Yeah, sure. David Knight throws in a little

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jocularity about Satanism, but it doesn't seem too important. It doesn't

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seem like something you have to stress to. He's having a little fun. Yeah. As this episode comes to a wrap, I would say, first of all, I know that it was accidental and completely random, but thank you, Jordan. You picked an amazing episode. You are very welcome. And you can see, now that we've gone through it, like the reasons that that was such a... No, I fucking nailed it. An interesting thing to look over and to prepare an episode about. I just, I feel revitalized. I'm gonna say that my unconscious mind really came through on that.

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Yeah. And it's amazing that it was based on your thinking about the devil. It's 6 6 16. On a 6 6 16 episode, we get zero devil, which is refreshing. Until David Knight shows up. Well, yeah, yeah. But even then, David Knight's devil is far more cheeky and fun than Alex's devil. It's a boring devil.

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So yeah, I find this so much more palatable, despite the awful bigotry and stuff. But in terms of a listening experience, this show is much, much better four years ago. 100%. And I know that it's one of these weird things that I've already learned, because obviously I've listened to his shows in the past.

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Right. But you forget. You forget that this show was different. It's very different. And I appreciate getting to experience that. And, you know, it's fucking weird. You sent Rob Dew to a fucking right wing rally in Germany, and he ran into Lauren Southern. That alone is amazing.

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Why not? Why not? Of course it happens. Then you add in fucking Tucker Carlson is there. Why wouldn't Tucker Carlson be there? Cheating on what Alex becomes? Of course it did. Roger Stone and Alex are teasing that they're going to reveal the VP pic and they think it's Jeff Sessions? God. What an amazing display of shit-headering. Yeah, this is really comprehensive.

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God, it had everything except Steve Pacanik talking about his mom for an hour. I would have loved Steve Pacanik talking about it. It would have been nice. It is one of those things where it's like, you just can't experience change over time the same way you can't quickly.

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And it just erodes so slowly and you think, oh, today is still just as normal as it was yesterday. And then you're reminded of what time does to people. You're like, Christ, have I died? Am I old now? What just happened? I feel like I had a midlife crisis from listening to an episode of 2016.

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Back when I used to go to the gym all the time, it was one of the things that the trainers would always say, and I always thought it was sort of a marketing ploy. But I think there's some truth to it, and that is that you don't see the gradual improvements and sort of getting into shape. You won't see it.

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It's something that you'll have to look at something from three months ago to recognize differences. And I think there's something to that. And I think that Alex's erosion has become so normalized to us. And especially in 2020, like, damn, this is 2020.

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God damn it, we almost got away with it.

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Almost.

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We've spent so much time dwelling in the present day with not as many diversions as we used to do that I think we can forget that that is not what he's always been.

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And I gotta be honest, I just wish that I could only talk about the past. Because honestly, I hate him in the present. I hate him in 2016, too, but I hate him in a much different way.

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No, no, no. The problem is none of this is real. This is a simulation. And Dan, you and I got stuck on the simulation where we talk about Alex Jones' descent into madness. We didn't get stuck in the simulation where Alex Jones switches gears, hates Trump, we turn right wing fucking white nationalists. That'd be a wild future.

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Anybody who's booking that, guess what? We're going to do... Also, the problem with our evil twins in this universe is I guess they would have no facial hair? Because we're both bearded gentlemen. How do we do soap opera evil twins?

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Mustache.

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Mustache? Just mustache?

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Probably.

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I wouldn't look good with a mustache.

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Let's find out.

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My evil twins gotta...

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Let's find out.

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Okay, we'll open up a portal.

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I feel like if those are the two options, then I would choose this reality.

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I guess, I don't know.

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So thank you, Jordan, and thank the past for providing this interesting little trip.

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Give us this day, our daily...

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And before we get out of here, why don't we take a little time to listen to some voicemails?

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Oh, that'd be great.

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Here's one.

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I'm a long-time listener, first-time caller, and I just think that Leanne McAdoo and Rob Doo should get married and hyphenate their names so that they can be Leanne and Rob McAdoo-doo.

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Nice.

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That's all.

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That's a worthwhile call.

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That's a worthwhile call. No, I'm with you.

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I'll take that.

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I do believe that Rob Doo has like 20 kids.

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Of course he does.

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I don't know how many kids he has, but he's talked about having a lot of kids in the past, and so I would assume...

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Oh, also there was that whole time when Alex was selling super male vitality and Rob Doo...

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I've been fucking my wife too much.

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She's mad at me.

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She's mad at me that I take this super male vitality and my boner's too hard.

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So that is uncomfortable.

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So I believe that he's not on the market.

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I kind of see Rob Doo as like, in the movies, the mob assassins, the hitmen, who just...

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He's just a hitman, you know?

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That's his day job, and then he comes home and he's a perfect family man.

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Could be.

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He completely divorces his professional life and his personal life.

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I could see Rob Doo being an amazing family man.

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Yeah, it's possible.

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I don't discount that as a possibility.

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I think that him and Leanne are probably never going to work and never would have worked because she had the wherewithal to get away.

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That was smart.

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Yeah, whereas Rob went to Germany and is still working there and did that stupid deposition.

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Leanne would never do that.

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Bad idea.

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Hi, Pat guys.

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I've got to be honest.

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I'm calling because I mistimed my laundry, so now I'm waiting outside.

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Big fan of your show.

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I'm a college senior, and I'm listening to KnowledgeBite to kind of help me kind of get emotionally ready for my shitty, shitty remote classes.

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No, that's what we're for.

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Thank you so much for the work that you do.

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Fuck Alex Jones.

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Good night, alt-right, better, et cetera.

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Thank you guys so much.

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From Amherst, Massachusetts.

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Hell yeah, Massachusetts.

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I like that.

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Too many people have been like, I use your show for learning and all that shit.

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No.

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Really mentally prepare yourself for shit to come with KnowledgeBite.

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Really get into that mindset of people are going to abuse me emotionally.

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Yeah. I mean, hey, it's tough for people in college right now. I feel for them.

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Oh, I don't know.

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And how difficult-

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Strike, I don't know.

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Particularly, I understand if you're just entering college, this is very weird, and I have no idea how you would handle that.

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But if you're a couple of years into college, the shift, I have no idea.

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My heart goes out to people who are having to deal with that situation.

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No.

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Luke, your bursar's office, I don't know what to tell you.

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My dad's a professor, and so he's talked to me about some of the issues of the remote teaching and stuff.

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I don't know if his experience is universal, but to all the teachers who are having to deal with-

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Oh, it's a nightmare.

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I keep telling my partner that she needs to convince everybody in the CTU to strike, because this is just nonsense.

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There's just no functional way to do it. Everybody's being set up for failure, and then they're going to blame them when they fail.

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It's a disgusting cycle that everybody's being forced to play into. It's awful.

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We see these news stories that are coming out about schools opening and then a bunch of cases-

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Immediately closing.

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Yeah, and it's disheartening. I imagine there are also schools that have no cases and you don't hear about that?

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Maybe.

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You would assume that that's not necessarily newsworthy.

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It's not impossible.

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And Bowdoin make a headline. So it's possible that it's obviously not universal, that there are outbreaks everywhere.

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Sure.

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But there definitely are. It's a fucking challenge. It's incredibly hard.

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It's a nightmare.

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I was at the hardware store the other day, because I hang some plant lights, and I was talking to the guy there.

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I love these dudes at the hardware store. They're the best.

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You like the hardware store.

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Love it. I swear, I belong in lakes and at hardware stores.

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But I was talking to the guy, and something that we really connected on and both saw eye to eye on was, I don't know what's going on.

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I try to keep up with the news. I try to listen to folks, and I'm perfectly happy to wear a mask and be careful and this stuff.

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But I feel rudderless.

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Oh, totally.

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And I think that everybody has a certain amount of that, and one of the places where it's definitely the most marked is in higher education and even just primary education.

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Totally.

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If I'm a 36-year-old dude who's self-employed, and I feel directionless and like there's no leadership giving a clear message, I can't imagine what it must be like for people with the responsibility to teach and mentor the next generation.

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It's a nightmare.

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Yeah, it's going to be terrible.

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It's a fucking, as somebody privy to it, it's a mad dash, it's a scramble, no one has any idea what they're going to teach. Nobody from the top who's supposed to be giving them guidance is doing anything other than being like, hey, you guys have known, do you know how to teach?

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Just do one of those. Just do one of the teaches. Have you ever teached before? Then just do the teaching, even though nobody has ever existed in this situation before.

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That's not good.

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It's a absolute fucking disaster and a tragedy, and it is going to explode in everybody's fucking faces.

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So our heart goes out to you, caller who did not say your name.

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Good luck.

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But also, I would say that I like that people are calling while they messed up their laundry and they're waiting.

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That's very relatable.

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Yeah, that's nice.

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Dan does that.

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Perfect time to call.

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Dan, Jordan, this is Steven in Texas. How are you guys doing?

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Good.

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I heard that we're starting the no gate party, and I had some thoughts.

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Well, more specifically-

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There's only one thought to have.

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If we get rid of gates, we're still going to have political scandals.

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So my idea, we cut the gate, keep the water.

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Yeah, it's time. Trump's getting caught in Russia water.

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Okay.

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We'll figure it out. I leave that to you guys. You're the heads of this. You are the tat guys, after all.

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All right.

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So get back to me, water, everything. And it doesn't have to just be political. We can still do all the other scandals too.

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Deflate water for the patriots.

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Not bad.

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We can do it all.

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Anyways, get back to me on this.

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I like this because it's nonsensical.

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I do appreciate it.

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And then second, I like this because he twice said, get back to me.

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I feel like I got to get back to him.

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Did he want to take his answer off air?

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I feel like I've got to respond, and I will say, sure, let's do it.

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Yeah, I'm all for it.

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Let's call all scandals something water.

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I like it.

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I'm for it.

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Yeah.

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Better than gate, for sure.

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It's the water of waters, that's for sure.

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Oh, shadow water?

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All right, here's another one.

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Hello, Knowledge Fight guys, Jordan and Dan.

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This is Wyatt from Columbia, Missouri.

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I'm just calling in because I did not know that Dan was from Columbia.

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That was a real mind-blower when I found that out.

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I just wanted to call and let you know, I think you would be damn proud of your former hometown.

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We've been in protest, god damn, every day for George Floyd died,

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representing the Black Lives Matter crowd out here, strong, very proud of my community.

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Like I said, I think you would be too.

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I love you guys, this show very much makes me laugh, gives me a lot of reputations to work with

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when I argue with my crazy Republican family members, and just overall I could not recommend your show enough.

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You guys take care, enjoy the SodaStream, and yeah, bye.

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Thank you, Wyatt.

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Yes, thank you very much, Wyatt.

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Shout out, Columbia.

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For sure, and thank you guys.

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Yeah, one of the things I think is really important, and I appreciate Wyatt's call because of this,

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is like, you know, Missouri is a state that is shit on and look down on in the same way a lot of states,

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particularly in the South and the Midwest, are looked down on as like, ah, just a bunch of dumbed up bumpkins.

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And I think that's very unfair, and I think it's a mentality that people need to train themselves out of.

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You know, like Columbia is a town that is obviously, it's a college town, sure, but it's also a very Missouri town.

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And it's very nice to hear, like I haven't been back in a number of years, but it's very nice to hear that

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there's still a good activist streak. Back when I used to live there, my parents used to protest,

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we talked about this, every week, every Wednesday, I would go out, I wouldn't go out with them every Wednesday,

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but I used to go out with them a bit, protest the Iraq War, back then it was just the Peace Nook,

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a bunch of hippies who sold fruit leather in a basement, hanging out, they sold some patchouli oil too,

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and some books, but these hippies at the Peace Nook would, they sort of organized these protests,

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it was very small, and it's nice to hear that a lot of that sort of spirit.

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I know that definitely as the Iraq War continued, the movement got bigger, and there were definitely more people

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and more protests, but to know that a lot of that is still very active in Columbia, it's heartening.

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It makes me feel good.

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It's one of the things that makes me think of how important it is to follow and support local journalists

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and shit like that, because the national news is not going to cover a protest in Columbia, Missouri,

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unless they burn down Columbia, Missouri, that's the only way that they're going to get there,

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so you wouldn't know so many different places are holding daily protests since George Floyd,

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you wouldn't know so many different places unless you were connected with, I follow a bunch of,

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I follow journalists on Twitter who are just, DePaul, Grace Del Vecchio, I believe, she's doing incredible work in Chicago,

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that's the kind of stuff that you're not going to see on the fucking national news, so follow people around your area.

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It takes an investment, because it's hard to get those leads, I guess, or to find voices you can trust,

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and that is the part that's kind of where this advice falls apart a little bit, because it's like, well, do a lot of...

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Do your own work, I don't work for you.

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But then also, too, I think the really important point, even beyond that, is that it's easy to stereotype places,

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like you'd see Missouri and just be like, yeah, it's a red state, and you just write off all of it,

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and that's not fair to the people in, I mean, like, Columbia's the city that I have the most exposure to,

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but I spend a lot of time in various cities around, even like, Springfield is a very conservative city,

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but there are a ton of really cool people who live there, and in the same way that I feel bad that I say,

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fuck Fresno, because my dad's family's from there and I don't like that city, there are a ton of great people there,

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and there's a ton of people who aren't the character of Springfield, Missouri, who live in Springfield,

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and I think we do a disservice to a lot of regions of the country by painting with such a broad brush,

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and so I wanted to play that call to give a shout-out to those places.

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Hell yeah.

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So we've got one last call.

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Hey, Dan and Jordan, it is Echo from Georgia.

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Hi Echo!

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We just finished listening to the most recent episode following up on Alex's response to Millie Weaver's Shadow Gate,

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which is great.

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The water of waters, if you will.

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And at the end of the episode, you mentioned that your next tattoo, you're wanting it to be related to the tiny bullhorn.

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May I gently suggest that the tattoo itself be just a quite small tattoo of the tiny bullhorn,

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and instead of a quarter for comparison, just have it labeled on the bottom actual size,

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like they do on medication labels, where they show you the real size of the pill.

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I just wanted to throw out my suggestion for what the tiny bullhorn could end up looking like.

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We really love the show.

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Shout-out to all my trans siblings who may be listening right now,

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and thank you so much for keeping us company during quarantine.

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Hope you guys have a nice day. Bye-bye.

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Thank you, Echo.

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Ah, that's a good suggestion.

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Echo called back in, actually, and pointed out that they're non-binary.

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Oh, did Echo. I apologize. Sorry.

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Go by they, them.

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And so, yeah, I appreciate that suggestion on the tattoo.

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I will say that, actually, that was stray talk.

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I don't think that's going to be my next tattoo.

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I actually think I have my next two tattoos planned out.

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Oh, yeah.

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Tat guys talk.

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Tat guys talk.

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Well, my next tattoo has to be, there's another tattoo my brother designed.

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He designed the Life is Very Fragile one, and he also has a comic strip that he used to draw about me.

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Sure.

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And there's a panel from it that's really funny.

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It's called the All-Nighter.

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Yeah, we've talked about that one.

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Yeah, it's a panel of a comic strip version of me smoking a cigarette,

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staring at a Hungry Hungry Hippos board as if I'm studying it for trying to figure out what's going on with it.

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And it's just so funny.

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And so that is my next tattoo for sure, because I love that, and I love the art my brother does.

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And so to honor that, that's definitely next.

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And then I think my next tattoo after that is going to be, I don't know how exactly it is or the design of it,

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but there's something that really resonates with me about a banyan tree.

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The tree that have all those things coming down.

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And so some version of that on my arm, I think, is something that I'd like to do.

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My next plan, I've got to finish my four. I'm going to finish my whole sleeve.

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I've got to finish it, and I've got to do the whole forearm.

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I've patchworked everything, you know? I've got so many tattoos all the way up to my shoulder.

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I want to finally do a cohesive.

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Up top on your bicep, it's pretty coherent.

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Yeah, yeah, it is very coherent.

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But then disconnected is on your wrist.

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So you have like a sort of a leaf on your wrist.

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And then all the way up on my back and shoulder, there's a bunch of different things that I've kind of put together.

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And I want to finally do a full sleeve sleeve.

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So I'm working with a couple of people to try and get a full fucking forearm sleeve.

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I feel like the real seal breaking for me that I'm not sure about is hands.

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You think the hands?

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Yeah, there's a weird social taboo that I think that I still have inside me somewhat about hand tattoos.

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No, totally.

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I don't judge people who have them, but I just don't know if I can have them.

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Oh, you know, my partner has a little swirl, the little spiral on her hand, tiny little spiral.

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But in the palm.

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In the palm, and even that I'm still like, whoa, you want hand tattoo? Hold on, I don't know if we can do, you know?

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Somehow to me, palm is better.

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Palm is better?

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It's less visible somehow because you can close your hand.

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That's fair.

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Well, I will obviously be putting some transmutation circles on my hands.

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Well, like my buddy Nick Rowley, I haven't talked to him in a while, but old comedy buddy,

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like one of the things that he, like one of his running gags, his bits,

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or like just anytime anybody said anything that was eight letters, he was like knuckle tattoo, knuckle tattoo.

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He was obsessed with turning things into knuckle tattoos.

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And I always thought that was so funny.

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That is great.

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So knuckle tattoo, first of all, is hilarious.

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Knuckle tattoo is intense.

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Yeah, but it's also hilarious.

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Hate and love.

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No, come on, it goes all the way back, buddy.

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But if you also have like something like, I don't know, butt chug.

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That also works.

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Right, yeah.

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That also works.

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It's funny to think of like eight letter things.

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And so at my old apartment, I got this piece of mail and the person who used to live in my apartment's first name was Boglejub.

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And I thought that was the funniest name, and I feel, you know, culturally insensitive, but also Boglejub is an amazing name.

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It's a great name.

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And I realized, that's eight letters.

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I could get Boglejub.

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You could.

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As a knuckle tattoo.

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That's true.

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And I want to do that, but I also think like, I can't do that.

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I don't think you can do it.

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I don't think I could get Boglejub.

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I don't think you can do it.

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Yeah.

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I don't think you could live with yourself.

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But maybe one day.

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I would have to stop you because, not because you wouldn't be able to do it, but because at least six months from then,

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I would have to hear you be like, really regretting this Boglejub thing.

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Yeah, probably regretting it.

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Really regretting this Boglejub thing.

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Yeah, and that's what holds me back, which is probably what we call good sense.

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Yes.

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So, thank you all for the calls.

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Appreciate that.

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That was a lot of fun.

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Of course.

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We'll see you back next time.

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Indeed we will.

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Man, I am going to be pretty tempted to just choose a random episode from the past and do it again.

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Honestly, this is a nice little vacation.

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I think this is a working vacation for us, right?

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Yeah.

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I almost feel like, hey, next Monday we can talk about the present.

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We'll get back to the real world.

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Yeah.

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We'll get back to the real world.

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It really feels like an escape.

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We gotta.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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We've been dealing.

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We did Shadow Gate, Dan.

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Shadow Gate.

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The gate of gates.

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The water of waters.

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It's difficult, you know?

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I feel like there's a responsibility to pay attention to the present.

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And certainly the RNC is going on.

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Naturally.

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Like anything important is happening there.

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There's a bunch of ding dongs and yelling about stuff.

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I'm sure Alex has thoughts about it.

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Why not?

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And, you know, I don't want to lose track of the present, but at the same time I want to make this show something that's enjoyable to create.

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Of course.

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God damn was this enjoyable.

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This was great!

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So, thank you all.

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We'll be back.

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Until then.

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Yeah.

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We have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at Knowledge Fight and I go to bed Jordan.

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Yep.

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We're on Facebook.

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Indeed we are.

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I bet if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area.

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Please help out the people doing God's work right now.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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I'm Daryl Rundis.

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I am Vice President Jeff Sessions.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.