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N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating

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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledgefight

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knowledgefight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys

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you guys saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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Red Alert, Red Alert, Red Alert

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Need, I need money

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Red Alert, Red Alert, Red Alert

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas

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Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas

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It's time to pray

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us

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Hello Alex, I'm a 16th caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your room

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knowledgefight

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knowledgefight.com

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I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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What's up

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What's your bright spot today

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Well, as is becoming kind of routine, not routine necessarily

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but it's such a bright spot on a fairly consistent basis

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I've got to zip, open up the mail bag

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Alright, alright

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It does brighten my day quite a bit

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to end up having things fly in and just show up

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Incredible

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So from Lee, over across the pond

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Lee across the pond

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In the UK, sent over a four pack of some

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I'm showing you this box, this is just a repackaged box

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It does look like a surveillance box of some sort

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Did not get a note per se, but on the flap of the box

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a really nice note about how this tonic water

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this really nice tonic water is best involved with a splash of gin

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I am currently not partaking in the gin

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except for Cold Gin, the Kiss song

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I listen to that quite a bit

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Dylan Morin, the comic that you hate so much

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I didn't hate him

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Bad night, he's just a bad guy

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He called, in one of his specials, he called gin just mascara thinner

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It is only drunk by

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Paul Stanley disagrees

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I'm on the first step

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They have an entire song about how Cold Gin is the only drink

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If you need to know that Kiss are weirdos

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that's all you need to know

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Get rid of that whiskey, it's Cold Gin

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How dare you

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What?

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How dare you

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So from Lee, keep up the good work, it's cheaper than therapy

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from your friends in the UK

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I've not had a chance to drink these yet

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because they are really, they look classier

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and maybe it's just because I know that they're not American

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They're condescending to you as we speak?

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I want to, yeah, I want to

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Like with these good and gather seltzers and stuff

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I'm fine just chugging those

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I'll drink four in a night, I don't give a shit

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I want these to be a little more special

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so I'm holding off on those

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Maybe we'll do a Q&A episode where we test the nice tonics

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You can have it with gin and I can have it straight

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How dare you attempt to drink me

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Nothing more than a regular seltzer

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Speaking of which, also we got a bunch of hot sauces

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from Peggy's Vegan Hot Sauce

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Thank you very much

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We have an episode that we recorded where we taste tested those

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A Q&A episode that'll be coming out shortly

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And so you'll be able to hear Jordan and my real-time reactions

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to these hot sauces and thank you for sending those

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And then one more thing here in the mailbag

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I got a little note

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It's got a lovely turtle on it

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I like turtles

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Inside this note, dear Dan and Jordan

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Thank you! Exclamation point, Dave

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Couple of owls on the inside

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And on the back it says

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P.S. I just wanted to make sure you get plenty of mail

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I'm gonna put that on the wall

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You know what? I'm gonna be straight with you

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That's great

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When was the last time you actually got mail?

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You know, that's just a thing now

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It's all bills and shit

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It doesn't pop up in your inbox when you're looking at Gmail

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That shit shows up like a physical thing

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Dave took the time to put something in an envelope

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There's a fucking stamp on it

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Just for me to open it up and be like

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I want to make sure you got stuff in the mail

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Thanks Dave, we appreciate it

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The federal government got involved in that

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Yeah, so that was a pretty nice day brightener

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How about you, buddy?

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I have a simultaneous, maybe the brightest spot in my entire life

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And maybe the lowest spot in my entire life

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All happened on the same day

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I released the book

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And people have responded very well

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So many people to the point where

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If downloads were book sales

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I would have an outshied sod on a slow week

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To be on the New York Times bestseller list

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Isn't that amazing? That's amazing

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That's really cool

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And then about a few hours after I released it

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I got the news that my aunt was not going to be around

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For much longer, to the tune of just a few days

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So it's weird how the proudest day of your life

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Suddenly becomes the saddest day

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And I just thought about this

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She was fine three weeks ago

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And now it's going to be less than a few days

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And this is all too common a situation now

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It's not COVID, she has stage four cancer

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Which is something that happens

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It just happens

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It doesn't happen because a lunatic stole an election

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All of these families, 130,000 families

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Are going through what my family is going through right now

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And unnecessarily

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Due to just cruelty

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Just monstrous, monstrous cruelty

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You mean existence?

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Yeah, ain't that the truth

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I mean that's the way it seems to be what you're saying

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Life is a cruel joke

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It is a cruel nightmare

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Great bright spot, Jordan

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Every moment is

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I said it was the brightest and the lowest spot

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It doesn't get much worse than that

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No, it is really sad

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Yeah, it's tough

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And so I just

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I don't know how to be sufficiently grieving

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This is terrible

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And I'm a comic

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So this is how we deal with it

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I laugh and enjoy what we do

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And that's how I cling to it

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And how I grieve

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There's no wrong way except denial

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And that's not even wrong

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That could be part of your process

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Yeah, it could be part of your process

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It's tough

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And I'm sorry you're going through this

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And I'm sorry that she's going through this

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But it is unfortunate

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Life includes that

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So sorry to start off on a depressing note

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But at the same time, motherfucker

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I've always dreamed of that kind of possibility

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Of writing something and people responding to it

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And as much as you're connecting these two things

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They're not connected

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They're not connected

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It's not my fault

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It's a little bit my fault

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And even though your aunt is passing

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Which is very tragic

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Most likely

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There's still a lot of love that you've experienced

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Between the two of you

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And you can hold on to that

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And you can celebrate that part of what she meant to you

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And carry that with you moving forward

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Hopefully not everything

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Even though it's hard and painful

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Not everything has to be fully negative

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As a certain swampy waterbender once said

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Time is an illusion

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And so is death

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So thank you, Avatar

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For helping me out

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Sure

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So you're actually going to

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Yeah, I will not be here for the Monday episode

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We're going to try and maybe do something

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With a guest or something

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Or possibly maybe we might take it off

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Not entirely sure

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But be going to visit

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Yeah, so

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Yeah, it's depressing

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But fuck yeah

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Let's live our lives

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And, you know, be people

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Have fun

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Let's do it

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Alright

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I'm in

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I'm in, Dan

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Alright

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Let's do it

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So, that note aside

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Yeah, it's gone now

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We've dealt with it

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Life is over

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So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over

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We are talking about just one day

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July 14th

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Tuesday, 2020

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I'm Dan, this is Tuesday

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Dan, there's only one thing I want you to tell me

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And that is Roger Stone still doesn't show up

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See, now it has to happen

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No, you've got to tell me that he doesn't show up

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Well, I can't tell you that because he does show up

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God damn it

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Yeah

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I know, I'm sorry to ruin the suspense

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Brutal, brutal

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But that kind of, I mean, like on our last episode

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I was pretty clear that, like, it's obviously

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He signed an exclusive thing

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Totally, totally

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Hannity is a higher priority to him

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Because it's a real show where

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It's going into people's homes

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And you can convince

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People who aren't Infowars listeners

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To listen to you

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And that you're a hero

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I can go on a show with 10 million viewers

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First

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And get all this kind of attention

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Or I could go on a show with

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At most 100,000 listeners

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And not be invited onto any show ever again

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Yeah, I can honor my friendship

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And my partnership with Alex Jones

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Right

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At the expense of larger platforms

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Right

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Or I can kick Alex in the dick

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Like I do all the time

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Yup

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And it doesn't matter

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He keeps crawling back to me

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Yes

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And I can go on Hannity's show

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And talk to a guy who was represented

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By Trump's personal lawyer

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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And who gets exclusive interviews with Trump

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Maybe it would be smart to be close

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Yeah

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And campaign managers are up in the air

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So who knows, we might get stoned

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Comparatively, like, that's the right choice to make

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Totally

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Because one guy gets exclusives with Trump

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And buddy buddies with him

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Yeah

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And the other keeps talking about that one time

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Trump talked to him

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Yeah

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And how he's spiritually connected to him

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Yeah

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And they telepathically communicate

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Right

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I know who I would probably, if I were a shithead

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Right-wing con person

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Who I would prioritize

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And Roger made the right call

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But he has to show up eventually

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Because he can't go on Hannity every week

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No

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He does need Alex as, like, a parasitic base

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A consistent president

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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And so this is honoring that

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And Alex is going to pretend, like

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It's totally fine

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Yeah, but it's not

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It's not

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It's not

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So I feel like this is sort of the payoff

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Of our weak narrative

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Uh-huh, uh-huh

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You know, like, we've had sort of a storyline

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Going over the past week

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Sure

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Which is, you know, it started with

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Roger's clemency

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Right

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And non-appearance

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Right

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Alex getting into Wayfair

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Right

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Conspiracies, or not, at the beginning

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Right

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Then convincing himself to be involved

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In Wayfair conspiracies

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Because he's a genius

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While Roger still doesn't appear

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Of course

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And now we've got Roger finally showing up

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And Alex doesn't even bring up Wayfair

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We're in a real Ross and Rachel kind of situation here

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Well

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And I guess Wayfair is the monkey?

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Did he keep the monkey?

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Yeah

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I don't know

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I don't know

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I don't know

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It's very confusing

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But here we are

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Because you know-sold it

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I must say, again

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I'm Dan, this is Tuesday

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Alright

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That doesn't frustrate you?

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Let's do it

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Let's do it

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Let's do it

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Alright

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So before we get into today's episode

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Let's take a couple of moments

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And say thank you to some folks

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Who have signed up and are supporting the show

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So first Jonathan R.

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Thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you Jonathan

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Thank you

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Next Erin K.

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Thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Erin

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Thank you

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Next Sunset

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Thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Sunset

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Next

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Joe L.

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Thank you you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Joe

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Thank you

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Next

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Cult Reared Arian Passer

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Thank you so much

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I was assured that was nothing untoward.

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Was that towards me? It feels like that.

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No, no, it was about their own experience

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in a alternative living

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kind of thing. I was

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promised that this is not some sort of a code

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or anything. Well, I'm not blond, so we're

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all right there. Yeah. Next, Anna R.

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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy

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wonk. Thanks, Anna. Thank you.

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Next, Wade. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Wade.

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I'm going to tell myself that's bogs. I like a little

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Wade. I like a Wade. Like a Wade bogs.

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Good stuff. Next, Jason K.

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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy

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wonk. Thanks, Jason. Thank you.

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And then finally, this is something

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that, this is not a title that we

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have anymore, but we did in the past

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and it's, you know, this person

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has required, or not required,

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but requested that

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I call someone a globalist. All right.

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And so on behalf of Tasha,

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I've got it called Nikhil.

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It's N-I-K-H-I-L.

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Nikhil. Nikhil.

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So whatever, however you pronounce that,

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you're a globalist. I'm a policy wonk.

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Globalist.

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Thank you very much. So if you're out there listening

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and thinking, hey, I enjoyed this show, I'd like to support with these gents too,

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you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking the button that says support the show, or you could

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of a charity in your area that is helping

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people in need in these trying times.

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Yeah, so we would appreciate either.

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Indeed. So we start off on the 14th

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and, uh,

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look, man, Roger's on.

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Roger's on. But he would have been on before.

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No, he wouldn't have. Well, he would have.

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No, he wouldn't have. He would have been. No, he signed an agreement.

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He would have been on before. No. Or was he hung over?

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He would have been on before. All right. He would have given

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Alex the exclusive, but

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Roger Stone would have given us the exclusive

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yesterday,

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as he promised me to do.

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Uh-huh. But he had to get

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clearance and had to get the clemency

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letter first. Sure. And had to check

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with his probation officer. Oh, of course.

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So he gave it to Hannity. That's fine.

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I'm glad he's at least out there and able to

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speak in this so-called free country.

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Sure you are. Sure you are, Alex.

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Ooh, ooh, dripping, dripping.

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I love the idea that Roger

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told me. I go, dude, I want to give

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the exclusive, but I needed to get my clemency

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letter. I needed to get the

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clemency letter. Get the fuck out of here.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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That's why I'm going on Hannity first.

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Alex, you're still a very

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important boy. Don't worry. Oh, absolutely.

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Absolutely. Come the

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fuck out. It's ridiculous.

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So Alex does have Roger on. I'm not

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just playing games. He will show up. Sure, sure, sure.

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But, I mean, in terms of guests,

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Alex might have

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a bigger heavy hitter on this episode.

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We have Jim Hough's brother

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who's lived in Hong Kong and is an executive

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and looked at the numbers and writing a bunch of big

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articles. For Gateway Pundit, he's going to be

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joining us as well.

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So much to cover today.

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So you got Jim Hough's brother.

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Jim Hough's brother. I almost thought he said

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Jimmy Hough's brother. No, no, no.

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Are we calling him Jim Hough now?

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No. Jim Hough is the guy who runs

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Gateway Pundit and

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his brother. Look, dude, if

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you're somebody who has, like, their

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own reality and their own

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expertise and reason to be there,

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your credit wouldn't be your Jim Hough's

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brother. No. That, to me, is a

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bad sign because this guy,

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I guess his name, I don't even remember what

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it is. He's Jim Hough's brother. Sure.

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But if he was somebody who's like,

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oh shit, let's listen to this guy, you could just

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say John Hough is on,

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and that would mean something.

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Like, my brother would be

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not somebody you'd want to talk to about

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Alex Jones-related issues. He's a really smart,

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interesting guy. Totally. And he has

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his own world where he's relevant.

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And you know what? The stuff that he does,

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I couldn't comment on. Of course not.

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We could not comment on each other's

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areas of expertise. Familial

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ties does not imply expertise.

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Exactly. So having my brother

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on a show

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that's talking about right-wing propaganda

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would be silly to be like,

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Dan's brother is on.

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Great. Who cares?

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I don't think I've ever wanted to be brought up to

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this is

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Aaron's brother. I don't think

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that would work well for me.

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You get just for laughs.

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You're coming out in Montreal and

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they're like, Aaron's brother. Welcome to our new faces

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show, Aaron's brother.

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I don't know.

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What have you done?

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Don't worry about it. Oh, also if your credit

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as Jim Hoff's brother is you

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write for the thing that Jim Hoff runs,

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I have further questions about

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your bona fides, whether

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or not you're worth listening to. Coming up next

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we have the concept of nepotism right

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over here. Come on down!

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Great. So this is where we're at

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I guess. We've got Roger Stone coming in

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real late and Jim Hoff's

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brother. This is sad.

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Yes it is. And

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in fact, I turned this episode off. I think

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Alex did the fourth hour, but

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he kind of made it sound like him and Paul Joseph

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Watson were going to do it together. So it was like

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No. No tag team on that.

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Don't care. Nope.

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So Alex is in a bit of a bad headspace early

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on and he finds himself

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in a situation where he's

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warning his audience that the time will be

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fast approaching. You will need

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to fight for your life. You'll need

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to engage in mortal combat.

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Okay. He will be forced

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to take action. He will be forced

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to fight for your very life

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because when it was easy to win

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you didn't stand up for the unborn.

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When it was easy to win, you didn't stand up for the old people.

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When it was easy to win, you didn't stand up for

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your own right, your own territory, your own

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freedoms. And what are

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rights? Rights aren't just the term

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a right you have. It's a right that people

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fought for. So there are rights of passage.

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There are rights of blood

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payment that you've been living off of

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that I've been living off of. All of this

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largess was money in the bank.

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It was blood in the bank. It was blood,

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sweat, and tears. It was paid for.

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But we took it for granted.

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Alex might not realize it

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but he's using two different words there that

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just sound the same. If it's a

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homophone, it has the same definition.

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That's why we have the word homophone.

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So R-I-G-H-T describes

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things that you're entitled to. Things that cannot

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be denied to you by virtue of you being

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a person. There's a bunch of different like sort of slight

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definitions, but it's all around them.

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The other word, R-I-T-E, is

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a word that means ceremony or custom.

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These words have different roots and completely

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different meanings, but they're pronounced the same in English

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so I could see how Alex would treat them as the same.

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He would be more comfortable if it was pronounced

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rightual. That would make more sense

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to him. He can't get the whole ritual.

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Rights of passage

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is not R-I-G-H-T's

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of passage.

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Also, it's weird that he's claiming that these

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rights are fought for because that's

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completely out of step with the underpinnings

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of his patriot right-wing ideology.

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Inalienable means

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fought for, right? No, no, no.

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Rights are not fought for. They exist by virtue of being

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given by God. The

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fights that have happened in history, they've happened against

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people who would seek to infringe those

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rights, but they can't do anything to actually

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take those rights away from you.

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Even in a tyranny or a dictatorship,

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you still have rights. And in fact, that's

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a large part of what makes authoritarianism

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so evil, is that these people

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are working to temporarily deprive you of

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that which God has bestowed upon you.

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Alex saying that these rights have been

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earned with blood and that the blood bank

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is running dry, that's completely

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foreign to the angle he's supposed to have on rights.

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That's kind of weird to me, and it

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almost sounds like he believes that rights only

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exist because of some kind of human sacrifice

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in the name of rights that happened in the past,

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which is pretty close to what he believes the

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globalists are into, it seems strange. No, no.

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Dan, when a white person turns 13,

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they are given their rights, and then

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one of those rights is to take them away

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from people of color. I don't understand why

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you don't understand this. It seems very

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out of step with the

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larger understanding

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of these things that are in the right wing

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world. A lot of these people

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in these militia communities, they

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believe that these attacks on

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the ideas of religiosity in society,

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the separation of church and state,

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is an attempt to attack

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God, and to get rid of God

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in society because all rights

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flow from God. So you get rid of

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God, and therefore you get rid of the excuse

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of why anyone has rights. Naturally.

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So what I'm assuming is, this

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entire segment is going to be

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about how he supports the protesters

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in Portland as they fight

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against the federal government sending in

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agents to kill them,

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basically. Right wing death squads

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coming into...

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They knocked a man out of his wheelchair

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and beat him. He doesn't really talk about

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that a lot. But they're fighting for

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their freedoms and their territory and their rights.

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He's got to know that. I don't

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know that this comes up in any meaningful way.

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I do think he mentioned Portland,

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just the word Portland,

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when he's talking about

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white people getting beat up by a BLM

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folk. Sure, sure.

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He hasn't covered

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any of that situation in any meaningful

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way to the point where I've had

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the cause to do a deep dive on it.

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And because of that, I'm trying to keep up

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with the news, but I'm finding it

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very challenging, and I'll be the first to admit

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that I don't have a good grasp on that

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situation, and that may be something that I need to

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correct. That's one thing that Alex has

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in common, finally, with the rest of the mainstream

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media, an absolute willingness

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to ignore Portland.

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Yeah. It does seem, though,

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it's very weird. It really does. It's kind of freakin' real.

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So Alex has some dystopian fantasies

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that he's working through here. Sure, like

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in Portland. Well, they're different.

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he can't sell anymore. And the nightmare

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It's being done. So we don't have this on sale

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until next week. So the big

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sale, the big new thing I told you we had,

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is not here. What the hell is happening?

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This whole

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rambly bullshit about like, hey, we got

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this new toothpaste, but it's totally

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not because I got told that I

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can't sell this other toothpaste because how I was

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selling it is super unethical and maybe

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illegal. But we got this new activated

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charcoal toothpaste, which is pretty cool.

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Maybe turn your mouth black.

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And hey, we

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don't have it. It's not for sale. Oh, they're after

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me Lucky Charms now. Admittedly, they're

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not on sale yet. They won't be on sale for quite

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a while, but eventually they'll be coming and then

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they'll be after my Lucky Charms.

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Oh, there's so many Lucky Charms that they're trying to

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steal. It's a weird buzz marketing

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strategy trying to get people excited

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about this charcoal toothpaste.

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Oh, we've got

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new rainbows coming out.

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Not yet.

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We got to put them through testing. Very

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weird. Yeah, that's not good. Very weird.

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But good luck with this.

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So, Alex,

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we know from a ways

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back, he's been getting into props

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lately. He had the

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chessboard skull and the rose

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on the desk that is esoteric.

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That he got called out for it being

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actually cultic. Well, it's satanic,

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of course. But as we know, he was on the fence

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about satanism. Maybe he's still on the fence.

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No, no, no, no. That was as a team. So he's

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got a new prop. He's been talking about this for the

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last couple of days, but I've just been ignoring it.

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And I finally got to a point where I'm like, I got

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to. All right, fine. I'll take the bait.

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A lot of people are going to ask

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me, what's up with the angel wings

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out of a Roman

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archetypal standard symbol

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with a skull

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and that's not plastic

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from the store.

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And that double-edged dagger right there

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is actually a triage dagger.

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So

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is he just looking at the side

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of vans?

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It's definitely a message to everybody.

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You will not

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escape God's judgment. Sure. God

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is above death. God is above

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humans and war and life itself.

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OK.

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This is a political

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show.

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Hey, we're going to

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break down the real politics

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situation, but also here on my desk

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I have angel wings, a skull

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and a triage knife to remind

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you that none shall escape God's

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vengeance.

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What is this?

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Dude, come on. That was on Maddow two weeks

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ago. He's just stealing that shit.

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He's also repurposing the skull from his

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last prop. He's like, that skull's too

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good. Get rid of the chessboard and the

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rose. As any local theater

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company will tell you, you got to repurpose

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props. What a fucking dick.

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Anyway, Alex gets

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talking about

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I don't know,

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China, whatever. Sure.

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Rockefellers, they're evil.

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But let's get to this first.

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It was David Rockefeller when Mao

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Tse Tung died in 1976.

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Wrote a big op-ed

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piece. You can just type in

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David Rockefeller, New York Times article

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Mao Tse Tung. He wrote two of them

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but you'll find the

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messages from a world

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traveler. I think it's the exact headline.

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And he says, I helped put

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Mao in. I love Mao. Mao's the

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answer. Communism's what we need.

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This is from the richest man in the world, arguably

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at the time. So we talked about this in the

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endgame stuff but it's been a while.

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First of all, Mao died in 1976.

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David Rockefeller's op-ed was published

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on August 10th, 1973.

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Why do you say those are different things?

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Because Alex connected the two and it's not connected.

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Second, the headline was

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from a China traveler. Alex

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got the title wrong. Third, let's take a look

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at the specific claims Alex is making.

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He says that Rockefeller says in the op-ed

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that he helped put Mao into power, that

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he loves Mao, that Mao is the answer

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and that communism is what we need.

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Four for four. Rockefeller's op-ed says

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literally none of these things.

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Alex is completely lying about that, knowing

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that his audience will never actually go read

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the actual article. It's hard to read.

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The closest that Rockefeller gets is to say

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quote, the social experiment in China under

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Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important

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and successful in human history.

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Which is something that he

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was saying based on the impression he was able

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to get after a short visit to China.

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Right. If you read the complete article

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however, you get the sense that Rockefeller

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may have some misgivings about what he

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himself experienced. Sure.

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At multiple points, Rockefeller qualifies his own

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impressions. He says quote,

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in terms of simple geographic expanse,

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a week and a half visit to China is something equivalent

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to trying to see New York City

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in less than one and a half minutes.

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That's in the opening paragraph, which should

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give the clear understanding that he wasn't in a

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position to have a fully immersed perspective.

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So as someone who has been in New York

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for one and a half minutes, I guarantee you

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I am an expert on both New York and China.

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Yeah, he's not a local. He's, as the

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title says, a China traveler.

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Later in the article, Rockefeller

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even acknowledges that this view of the

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country he was getting was a curated one.

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Quote, each step of the trip was

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choreographed precisely by our hosts.

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And though virtually all our requests

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were granted, we clearly saw

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what they wanted us to. Oh yeah.

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His qualified impression of the country was

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that progress was being made.

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Poverty, starvation, and crime were at

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much lower levels than they were 20 years

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prior. In the same time

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period, the number of children receiving an education

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had jumped from 20% to 80%.

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At the same time,

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Rockefeller absolutely does not sugarcoat

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things in that op-ed. As he

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puts it, quote, despite the constant

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impressions of progress, however,

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some gray areas and basic contradictions

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also emerged. Three major

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questions remain in my own mind.

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The first question was about individuality

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and creativity being contained in the

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country. Quote, there are only

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eight different theatrical productions in the entire

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country. The universities are rigorously

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politicized, with little room for inquiry

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unrelated to Chairman Mao's thought.

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Rockefeller viewed that as a problem.

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That is an issue. The second question

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is how well the Chinese economy would

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be able to adapt to technological advancement

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into foreign trade. This is largely

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a strategic and logistical question.

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The third question

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is, quote, are we and the Chinese

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prepared to accept our very real

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differences and still proceed toward

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the closer mutual understanding that must

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be the basis for substantive future

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contact? And the answer

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to that was emphatically, of

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course. That question had to do with how

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both sides, both America and

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China, would likely need to make a lot of accommodation

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in the future in order to coexist in an

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increasingly interdependent world.

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None of the stuff Alex is saying about

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this op-ed is real. All Alex knows

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about this article is what he's heard about it from

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paranoid John Birch Society pamphlets,

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which have basically no connection to reality.

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And you can take

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a perspective of

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Rockefeller had all

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of the information that he could

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possibly have had at that point.

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But that doesn't seem to be

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accurate. You're applying a 20-20

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mind to someone in

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1973 at a time when

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Chinese-U.S. relations were

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not what they

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are now. The flow of information

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was not what it is now.

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That's like, you know,

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you hate TERFs now, go back

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to 1973 and see how

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you do with the feminist movement then.

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It's like that kind of thing.

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It's unfair to apply modern

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awareness to

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well, I mean, it's fine

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to look at it and critique what could have

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been. But it's not

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fair to assume that everybody

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at every point in the past knew everything

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that we know now. And

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that's a big part of the game that's being

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played. And then the second part of the game is just making

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shit up about this op-ed. It's kind of frustrating.

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I mean, I don't care about David Rockefeller.

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I think he probably was not a great guy.

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In a lot of ways.

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The very aspect of having that much money

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makes you not a great guy. I think

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that there's probably plenty of room for

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criticism. Almost certainly.

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All the things that Alex brings up are all

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the wrong things. Of course.

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That puts me in the

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un-cherishable

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position of being like

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you're lying about Rockefeller.

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Like I'm a Rockefeller guy.

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Oh man, I have to defend

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Rockefeller, you son of a bitch.

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I'm mad at you for making me do this.

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So a lot of this episode is sort of

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bland, what I would call

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just sort of

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COVID denial.

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And so Alex

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gets it. There's one point that he makes

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that I think is undefensible.

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But let's get to this first.

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I was looking this

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morning at numbers out of Texas.

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Did you know flu deaths and pneumonia

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deaths and all these other deaths are way down?

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Because they've all been moved to the COVID

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column just like they've done

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around the country and months before. They're just

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still doing it and then

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admitting they're doing it.

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Alex is a goddamn liar. No one

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is moving flu deaths to the COVID-19 column

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and there's a really good reason why flu deaths

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are going way down. It's because it's July.

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Flu season is pretty much

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over by May. We'll

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see an uptick in flu cases in the United States

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again but it probably won't be for another few

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months. Alex knows that and he's

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lying about it or he doesn't know

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that and he has absolutely zero reason

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to be speaking on these subjects.

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If you don't understand when flu season

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is and you're trying to say flu deaths

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are way down and it's somehow suspicious

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you are unqualified

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or a liar. One of the two.

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There's no third

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option there. And to imagine

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that it's not increasingly unbelievable

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like any kind of

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conspiracy of that sort that he's trying

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to pull off. We're a

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long ways into it. You're

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not going to get me on pneumonia

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now. You didn't get me before.

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You definitely aren't going to get me after

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flu season. That shit ain't happened.

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So Alex laments

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that there's hysteria going on in the world.

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There's a lot of hysteria.

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He discusses how he's going to play

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some clips to demonstrate it.

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I'm playing this because I

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largely want to...

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There's a point I want to make and I'll make it after this clip.

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The first thing I want to go ahead

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and play for you

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is the hysteria.

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The craziness that's going on.

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This is a video

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of a deranged SJW

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yells to airline passengers

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I will kill everybody

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on this plane unless you accept

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Jesus was a black man.

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Then we'll play the clip

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here of

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Marxist BLM protester

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leader calls for black militia

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revolution.

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What point are you trying to make with these

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clips? What point are you

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trying to make other than race baiting?

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What coherent point is being

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made by the

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selection and the curating of

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these topics?

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These bullet points? What is

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what can be the editorial

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through line of a lot of this stuff other

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than be scared of black people?

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Ah, all

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BLM SJWs

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are actually

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DB Cooper, Dan. That is who they are

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and that's how we do it. Was that what DB Cooper

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was trying to do? That's what DB Cooper was trying to do.

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Yeah, you didn't know that?

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He got the stuff,

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jumped off right as he left.

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Guys, black Jesus

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and then was gone into the night.

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That's how it worked.

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I find some

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of this to be

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trivial. Some of it to be

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you know, okay, that's an interesting

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story I guess. I didn't even look into

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this person on the plane. I don't know

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what the story is there. But even the

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worst case scenario of that is

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yeah, someone threatened to kill people on a plane

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I hope they had arrested. I don't really care

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why they did what they did.

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Which is a weird story.

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And then the other one, the Black Lives

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Matter person saying that there should be black

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militias. Alex should be in favor of that.

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Yeah, totally. He's in favor of militias.

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Apparently not. They're organized

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to fight against the federal government.

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He should love militias.

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Yeah, whatever. Who cares. I wonder if there's something

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different. So some of this stuff would

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be a little bit more

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like, I don't even know.

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I listen to this and I'm like, Alex, why do you

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not do any

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work?

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This is really difficult to put into words.

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But what I'm trying to get at is there's

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moments in Alex's show where

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his lack of doing any work

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or any preparation

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accidentally reveals how little he knows

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about the world. And this next clip is

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one of those that I think is just like

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you shouldn't allow yourself to be

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put in situations where you look like this.

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And see, that's what this is all about.

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Ignor Amos's video

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of UK black rioters tear down

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the issue of African icon

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Hayley Sisselli.

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And it goes on from there.

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That clip tells me a couple of

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interesting things. The first is that

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Alex has no idea who Holly Selassie

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is. Oh no.

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He did. That's what he-

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Sisselli. No! Get the fuck out!

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No!

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That is our new

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Bolsa bomb!

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Holly Selassie was the emperor of Ethiopia from

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1930 to 1974.

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And he's a central figure in the Rastafari

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ideology. You can't

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possibly listen to any decent reggae

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and not know Holly Selassie's name.

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And that's coming from me, a person who can't listen

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to reggae. Who hates reggae. I don't hate it.

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It just makes me anxious. I know, I know, I know. It makes me anxious.

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We're gonna be okay. We'll get through this. It's too chill.

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It's too chill. I understand.

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It's inconceivable to me that Alex would have no idea what that name is when he looks-

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That's unreal. The second thing that clip

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tells me is that Alex sees a statue being knocked

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over and assumes that it must be connected

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to every other statue he's read about.

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And that's bad thinking, because there's no reason

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to assume that just because one group wants to take

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down certain statues, then all

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statue-related stories must be involved with

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that group. In the reporting I can

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find about this statue, it appears that

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this one was destroyed in an event that's

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most likely related to unrest

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in Ethiopia. According to

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the BBC, this has to do with the killing of

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a popular musician named Hachalu

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Hundessa. Hundessa was a big

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proponent of the Oromo Rites, which

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is an ethnic group that were oppressed by

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Selassie's regime. A witness

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saw men gathering in the park in London

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where the Selassie statue was,

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carrying flyers with Oromo slogans,

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which gives a pretty strong indication

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that this is what this story is about in this

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case. Sure.

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The statue of Selassie's father,

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one of those was recently torn down in

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Harar in Ethiopia, and the

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reason there was this Haile Selassie

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statue in London was because he

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lived in Wimbledon when he was in exile

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in 1936. Gotcha. So he'd been there

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and that's why there was this statue. Right.

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This incident is unrelated to the larger phenomenon

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of BLM-related statue issues, but

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there's not any room for nuance in Alex's

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show. Yeah, of course. If it's about a statue,

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it's the same story, and it's about

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a guy named Cecily.

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Oh, God. You know, I mean,

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here's the thing about statues,

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is generally speaking,

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on the average,

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now, I'm not saying it's all,

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but on the average,

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fascists and people who oppress

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people are the ones most interested in

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getting statues. There is a

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good chance that if you're knocking down a statue,

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you're doing alright. There is a desire

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among despots

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and autocrats to have

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effigies of themselves created. Yeah.

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That is true. Love that shit. So,

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Alex gets to talking about

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Roger coming on, and we're about to get

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to it. Okay. And in order for

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this to really make sense,

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it's still got to be important, right? I mean,

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it better. Well, Alex has to

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bring the juice. Alex has to qualify.

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Oh, no. They're on screen.

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There he is. We're going to be going

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to Roger here in just

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a moment, in the second hour.

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Look very much forward to him giving us

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the first big exclusive

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interview. He went on hand the next night. That's awesome.

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But this time, he won't just have 10 minutes.

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He will have the whole next hour to

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really get into

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the election, his clemency, being

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attacked by Mueller. So, yeah, this

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is the first exclusive

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longer interview. You only had

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10 minutes on Hannity. Yeah, this is Frost

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Nixon now. Now we're in the real shit.

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Yeah. So, I mean, like, you could just keep

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adding adjectives. Yeah, totally.

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This is the first,

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this is exclusively the first

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458th episode of our podcast.

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Yeah, that's true. Exclusive. That's true.

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No one has ever done that before. Just keep adding

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adjectives. Yeah, why not? This is the

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exclusive episode where we talk about Roger

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coming on for the first time after

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his clemency. Look, nobody has

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done that before. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's

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pretty much what you'd expect. It's honestly not the best

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hour of Roger's

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life. God damn it.

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He's gotta, he's not

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waggling his dick. He's supposed to be...

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Part of that is because of his

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coming to God. You know, like,

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he claims that he doesn't want revenge on

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people now because of his

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newfound religion.

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But he does think that it was an act of God

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that Trump carried out. Sure.

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So, I'm very grateful to God. I'm very grateful

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to the president who I believe

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received divine guidance to do the right thing

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although I think he would have done the right thing

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but I'm very grateful to

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both of them. Sure. So, it's

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an act of God. Now, Jordan, this next

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clip I'm gonna ask, I have to ask you to put your mic down

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because this is

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a big interview for Alex.

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Now, granted,

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Roger kind of gave him the bird by

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going on Hannity for the exclusive. Kind of.

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But still, Alex is in the business

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of presenting this as a big deal.

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He has to. He's got to.

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And so, in this next clip, Roger is talking

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about how his enemies are the ones who should

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be on trial and see if you

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notice anything about Alex's response.

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So, in my view, Andrew Weissman should be

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indicted for sedition and for

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treason. It's time for them to get him

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in front of the grand jury. Hopefully,

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John Durham is going to do that.

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I have my doubts but I'm still praying

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for it and who knows, it might happen.

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And everything you said

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is true and on record. It's come out that

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Hillary knew it was Russians. It's incredible

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how they turn everything around on us.

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Alex is eating. Oh,

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no!

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Alex is eating

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lunch during his Roger interview.

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It is, it is so fun

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to know so

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clearly now the subtle

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shade. That's the fun

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part. Now that we're this, look,

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we're too immersed to enjoy the small stuff,

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the surface level stuff. Perhaps.

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I just took a bite talk

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during Stone's interview.

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That's for you and me. That's a

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real fuck you. That's for us.

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I

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really wish that Roger would be like, are you

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eating? Yeah, totally! Yes!

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He has the status to pull that off.

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Take this cold war hot! What the fuck is wrong with you?

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You guys love hot wars! Take the cold war

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hot! So, in this next clip,

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Alex is talking to Roger and Roger

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claims that Fox News

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has some censorship issues.

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I was on

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Fox not long ago, doing an

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interview. I'm not going to tell you with whom.

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And just before we went on

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in my earpiece, the producer came

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on and said, oh, one more thing, Mr. Stone.

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Under no circumstances can you mention

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George Soros.

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And I said, well, I wasn't going to.

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This is not related to the

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topic I'm here to discuss. And they said,

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well, we just wanted you to understand our policy.

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Now, this makes no sense to me.

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I cannot explain why that would be the case.

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He's untouchable.

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And that's exactly what I've been

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told by people at Fox. Oh, yeah.

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Fox News never bringing up Soros.

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I cannot understand why this subject would be

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untouchable. I can't think of any

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possible reason that you,

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the guy who is so

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used to defaming George

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Soros, you couldn't stop yourself

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if you tried. I don't think it's a Fox

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News thing. I think it's a Roger thing.

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Well, let's see if I

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can just do a little Google

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here for Tucker and

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George Soros. What's the most

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recent?

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Tucker claims George

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Soros is, what do we got here?

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Tucker Carlson claims

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George Soros is, quote, remaking

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America. Uh-huh. Well, that must be on

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the third page of results. Google, obviously.

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That's from Heretz. No, no, no, it's going to be

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on the third page. From June 2019.

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Google's shadow banning it. Uh-huh.

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OK. Yeah, it's pretty easy to

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find instances. Nah, he's never, he's never done,

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you got to really do some deep research, Dan. Yeah.

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This one requires your level. So yeah, Fox

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News, barely, moratorium

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on mentioning George Soros.

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Sure. So,

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Roger, I think he knew that he had to come

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with something to make this occasion

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special. Yeah. Because,

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obviously, you know. Give Alex

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a piece of cake. Tucker, or, Tucker,

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I mean, he's on vacation, so you couldn't,

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Roger couldn't have gone on that. He's on vacation that

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was pre-planned. Totally. Months ago.

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Totally. Not a weird momentary decision.

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Nothing at all. Uh-huh.

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He went on Hannity, and you

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get on Hannity by being the exclusive.

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Yes. You don't, that's what,

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if you're not willing to do that, Hannity

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probably doesn't have time for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Alex, on the other hand, is the

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kind of guy that you can give a trinket

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to. You can maybe give him a world's

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greatest talk show host hat.

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Love it. Yes. It'd be enough.

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Yeah. So here's what Alex gets as

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a consolation prize

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for being completely kicked to the curb

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by Roger. So I'm gonna do something

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very historic now, right on the air

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here at Infowars. I'm

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going to actually sign my acceptance

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of the commutation

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by the President of the United States. There you see

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it. It is, it is not

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signed. This is a

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historic moment. This is the

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document that saves my life.

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It now has my signature

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on it, as you can see.

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And there it is. So I have

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accepted the act of

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mercy, the act of justice, by

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a benevolent

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president, a man who believes

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deeply in justice, who believes

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in fairness, who knows I did not get

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a fair trial, who knows I

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was subjected to a Soviet-style

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show trial before a kangaroo

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court. It wasn't a trial, it was

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more like a lynching.

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I mean, Owen Schroyer was there. He

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saw it with his own eyes. It was like

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a lynching. So I mean, like,

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you could feel the electricity

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in that moment, like you could

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feel it being historic. I'm

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really bummed. I'm really

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bummed. I bet that was just a piece of paper.

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Totally. No chance was that

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the real thing. He signed that the moment

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he got it. I don't know. He might have been,

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based on what he says later, he might have still been

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drunk until he was on Hannity. You had

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time to get

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confetti. That's what

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is really going on here. That's the biggest

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issue. Did you hear, did you hear

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any pop? Any of these people

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sort of. Anybody. Rob Doo could have gone

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on a confetti run. Yeah, totally.

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Takes five seconds. Or any kind of, like get a

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brass band to walk through Alex's studio.

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That'd be great! That'd be awesome.

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Celebrate it. It's a historic moment.

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Nope. Instead, we just pretend.

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And Alex eats a piece of sandwich. Sounds like a dud.

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Sounds like a dud. Big time.

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So Alex wants to know about Rogers

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coming to God. And, you

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know, I've been, I've been sort of...

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Well, when I thought I was going to go to prison,

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my lawyer advised me that I might get

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a more lenient sentence if I pretended I

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believed in God. I've been a little bit hands off

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on this because I don't want to insult faith as a

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whole. But I'm going to

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include this just for

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how good a demonstration it is of

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Alex's bad planning. So, let's talk

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about Christ though, because I mean, how did things change

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when you did that?

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Overnight. Literally overnight. I had

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an opportunity to meet Reverend Franklin Graham.

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I jumped at it. He gave me

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the most solid advice you could, you could give

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anybody. He said, you're right,

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son. You're in big trouble. But if you will

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just confess your sins,

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if you will be reborn,

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if you will get right with Christ,

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if you will reaffirm your

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commitment to the Lord.

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Do your nickel. You will see. He will protect

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you. He will never abandon you.

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He will be with you in your moment of need.

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And you can erase all worry

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and you no longer need to be afraid.

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That very day, I did what Reverend

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Graham suggested. I stood up with

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500 others. I confessed

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my sins and I pledged to sin no

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more to the best of my ability.

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And Alex, that was a Saturday.

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On Monday morning, the jury

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told him the story.

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Warning.

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I feel

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like you don't ask somebody

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about something really important

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and a big story, like how did your life

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change after you accepted Christ

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when you're a zealous

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religious broadcast.

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You don't ask that when you've got like

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45 seconds to break.

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Hard break.

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Because usually the answer is going to be involved.

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There's going to be discussion of the process.

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You know, it's not

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just like Garand will be like, it's been great!

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Nobody

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played, like whenever I did

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a God camp, nobody played

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off my testimonial.

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Nobody was like, alright, wrap it up buddy,

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we gotta go to break. Yeah, that felt

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really weird. I mean, it's just bad

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planning. You ask that as an opening

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out of a break as opposed to like when you're

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going to run out of time because it's disrespectful

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to the story that Roger is telling.

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Exactly. And it implies that you don't

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really care that much yourself.

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If you would put Roger in a situation where you might

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have to interrupt his story, wasn't that

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important? Yeah, that happened to Jesus all the

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time. They kept being like, Jesus, I get

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it, there's a lot of fish now, but

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we gotta go! Yeah. So,

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in this next clip, we get back to that subject

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after the commercials are out of the way.

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And apparently, Mike Cernovich

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is the answer to prayers.

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Finish up with the day after you accepted

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Jesus as your Lord and Savior,

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you were already a Christian but not, you know, backslidden

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obviously, and then really

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cried and really gave your heart to Christ again,

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recommitted. What happened?

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Well, this was on a Saturday

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that I was reborn

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and that very Monday morning,

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a day later,

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all the stories about the corrupt jury

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hit the fan. None of which

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I knew. We had none of that information.

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Frankly, Mike Cernovich,

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a crusading independent journalist,

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a solid conservative, broke that

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story and it was everywhere.

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And from that moment on,

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I was highly confident

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that everything was going to be fine.

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That God was now going to

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take his hand and he would provide.

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Alex has got to be pissed that he

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said that Cernovich broke that

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story, because Alex has said that he did

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in the past. This is

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not where you want to give

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credit. I am loving

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that he is no longer kissing

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Alex's ass, period.

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It's pretty subtle, though. It's not like a

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fuck you. It's a Cernovich broke

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this. Right, right, right.

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Now, this next thing,

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I might be imagining this,

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but I feel like Alex

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cannot enjoy hearing this next

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clip. This is a discussion of what was going on

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on the day that Roger got

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the news about the commutation.

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So, last Friday, around

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five o'clock, many

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media outlets, ABC was among the

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first, then Fox News, and then everybody

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was saying that the president

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would commute my sentence.

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Prior to that, there was a lot of speculation.

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It could be a commutation.

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It could be a pardon. It could be nothing.

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These same reports had popped up

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the previous Sunday and nothing came of them.

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And so,

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it became pretty clear that

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something was going to happen.

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People started just arriving at my home.

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I hadn't invited anybody, but

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patriots, folks from the Trump

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Club, young Republicans,

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local conservatives,

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friends from the Republican Party,

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a lot of info warriors, people

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just started arriving.

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And then, because I was

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under house arrest at that time,

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I could not leave the actual house,

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we sorted people out between

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those who were wearing masks. They were allowed

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to come in. Those who

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didn't have a mask, they could mask

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in the front yard inside a gate.

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Somebody sent out for beer

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and we had a pop-up party.

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And then around 7 o'clock, my cell phone

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rang, and

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it was the White House switchboard operator

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saying, this is the

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White House switchboard. I have a

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call from the president of the United

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States. We'd like to speak to Roger Stone.

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This is the White House. Is Roger Stone available?

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This is amazing. He had a pop-up

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party around

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the time that he got the commutation and

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didn't invite Alex. Well, he was in

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Florida. There was no Info Wars

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reporter. He could have sent

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somebody out. No, can't get there. You could get

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some sort of an info warrior with a

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fucking cell phone to be a

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reporter on the scene. There's no way

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that Alex himself knew about it

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two days before the news broke

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like Stone told him.

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Well, I mean, look.

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I imagine Alex would be feeling

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a lot of FOMO type feelings

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and fear of missing out.

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Missed out on the party of the

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century. But he

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wouldn't have been allowed in.

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He would have worn a mask for that. Oh, of course he would.

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To be able to hang out with Roger and

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Mantell? Yeah, you gotta wear a mask for that

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kind of exposure. Yeah, exactly.

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So,

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you brought up in our last episode

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how conspicuous

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it was that

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Roger didn't thank Alex in Info

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Wars. Fairly conspicuous.

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Now when he shows up on Info Wars,

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quite the opposite. Oh, is it?

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It was an amazing moment.

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It was like having a weight

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off of your shoulders. And this would

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never have been possible

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without the help of so many

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people. Let's start with Alex Jones

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who had never abandoned me, stuck with me

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through the whole thing.

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Skeptical in the first that they would really come after me

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but once they did, Alex, you were there.

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Tucker Carlson is

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the standout. Tucker Carlson

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is incensed by what they did with me.

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He has a deep sense of

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justice and he was outraged he was

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so angry. Isn't he just an amazingly

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classy guy? I mean, I already knew

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him, he'd been to the office before we'd been to dinner but

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I got to know him and have dinner with him a few times with you.

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He is just super classy. So classy.

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I mean, this is the

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strategy that you would employ. I think Roger's doing it

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exactly right, which is overplay

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how important Info Wars is on

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Info Wars and don't recognize it

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elsewhere. Don't mention it at all. Right.

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Because if you bring up Info Wars other places

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it diminishes the value of whatever

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you're getting out of that publicity

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but at the same time, Alex knows his

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place and he can't afford to

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get too mad at you for not thanking him

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elsewhere. I imagine that every

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talk show he's been on, like, I imagine

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that when Hannity introduced him, he introduced

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him as somebody who worked for Info Wars

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for multiple years. I imagine that's what

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he did, right? He has to.

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He has to have done that. That's his biggest credit

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right now. This guy just got sued

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by Miles Clock for a hundred

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million dollars and had to give a

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retraction for lying about him

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on Info Wars where he

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worked for a long time.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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we have Roger Stone's

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brother's brother here.

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Better credit. So he gives off

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his list of thank yous and Alex butts in.

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I just thought this was kind of funny.

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I've got to thank my friend Michael Caputo

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who I've been prohibited from speaking to

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for almost two years.

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But I know he was in my corner.

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You never know

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where to stop. Reverend Darrell Scott,

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Pastor Mark Burns,

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Reverend Randy Cohen,

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so many Christians, Franklin Graham,

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all these people, General Mike Flynn,

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in my corner. I just think that's pretty

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funny. What about your wife? That is

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funny. That is good. So

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this next clip, Roger's talking about how much

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he loves Info Wars and if you pay attention,

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he's using the

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first person plural. He's talking

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about we. Oh boy. So

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he's including himself as a part of

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Info Wars now. Of course.

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Look, we're up for the fight of our life

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and this is

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an important outpost of the

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truth. Info Wars

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is really still

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what it always was, a leader.

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And we won't be censored. We won't be

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silenced. We will never stop fighting for

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freedom and for liberty.

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So I am honored to be back

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with you. It's like being back home again.

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I bet that I'll be back again because

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I understand they're trying to

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silence us. They're trying to

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kill our audience in terms of

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our reach. But I feel

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right at home here.

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It's just good to be back and

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be able to tell the truth to the American people.

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Something that I've not

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done in the past and actually had to

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admit that I had lied about a guy

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after he sued me for a hundred

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million dollars. You know what? They're really trying

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to get rid of our exposure and to

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keep our ideas

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kept within this area. So that's

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why when I went on Sean Hannity,

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a show with millions upon

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millions of viewers, I

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screamed,

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everybody, we are

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Info Wars. That's what I screamed on

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that because I wanted to spread the message as

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far as I could. Seems like he didn't do that.

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Seems like it went the other way.

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Probably a smart decision for him.

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So when he says we, does that mean he's back on the

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payroll? I wonder. That would be interesting.

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I wonder. I don't think Alex can afford it.

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That'd be really sad. So Roger's interview

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is done and it's largely

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I have been wronged.

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I will be avenged.

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I need money. Of course. Because a lot of

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I need money. A lot of I need money. Three different

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fundraising websites. Oh no.

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You pathetic.

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So it is what it is.

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He leaves and Alex gets back

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to talking about this

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fucking toothpaste

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that I can't sell yet.

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So

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he really wants to sell

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this toothpaste. But he

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can't. So there's a different sale.

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Eventually it'll be great.

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Now we've got the new toothpaste in for

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a few weeks. But I've got one

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more big test

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that we are supposed

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to do on it until we're able to sell

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it. So I thought that this week

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would be the week that we would be able

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to sell all of this

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and do all of this. But we're not

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able. So the original sale that

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I had running is just going to keep

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running until next week.

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Store-wide free shipping. Double Patriot points. But it's even

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bigger. We had this sale last year. I wasn't

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going to do it at this time. We were about to sell a lot of

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things. But we're launching it right now.

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Christmas in July

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sale. Free shipping and double

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Patriot points. 50

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to 60% off.

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Whoa. I'm not sure that I've made

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this point in the past like when Alex did

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this sale last year. But there's something hilarious

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about him in particular

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doing a Christmas in July sale.

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For Alex, Christmas isn't supposed

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to be a commercialized thing. It's not

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about sales and gift-giving. It's a

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solemn holiday where you celebrate the birth of Jesus.

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If your only interest in Christmas

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is the sales aspect, like if you're a

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mattress store, then it makes sense to have a Christmas

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in July sale because the importance of the

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holiday is about cutting deals.

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For Alex, this is almost sacrilegious.

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There can't be a Christmas in July

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because Christmas is a holy

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day that is of religious significance.

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Yeah, the Easter sale is still going on.

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There aren't two Christmases in the year.

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In the same way, there aren't two Jesus

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Christs. This doesn't really

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seem like a sale that anybody who takes their faith

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seriously in the way that Alex

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pretends to could possibly engage in.

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This is using religion to drive

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sales, not a sale that just happens to

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coincide with a religiously based, but also

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secularly celebrated holiday.

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As someone with absolutely

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no skin in the game, just an impartial

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observer, it seems to me that this kind of thing,

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having a Christmas in July sale,

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that's more of an affront to religious

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observance than someone saying happy holidays

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in December, which Alex considers

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a war on Christmas.

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Is it not a war on Christmas to water

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the holiday down by creating your own

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second Christmas that isn't even halfway

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through the year? Like, he's two weeks late

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for the halfway point of the year.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, I find that to be sacrilegious.

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Yeah, well, you know, I'm

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pretty sure we didn't play the

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whole thing, obviously, but the

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part that Roger, you know, when he was

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cut off, he continued talking.

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What he said was the day after I

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recommitted myself

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to Christ, I

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really knew that it was time

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to make some cash.

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So the Lord spoke to

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me and he said, we've

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got to do Christmas in July.

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Second Christmas. Absolutely.

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So Alex has a big bit of COVID

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news to discuss.

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Still not real? Apparently not.

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And he has a big smoking gun.

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The big smoking gun for me

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is on Infowars.com.

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COVID testing scandal.

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Numerous labs, 333

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report 100%

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of people testing positive

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for coronavirus in

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Florida. That is impossible.

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So this story is actually true, but it doesn't

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mean anything. According to NBC

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Miami, there are actually 474

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labs in Florida that had reported

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100% positive test results.

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But it's important to understand the details

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of this story. These labs were

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testing people who came up negative, but for

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whatever reason, they weren't entering those negative

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test results into their database.

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This might seem like it would

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affect the overall positive rate in the state,

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but NBC Miami's analysis

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found that these 474 labs

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made up approximately 1%

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of the state's testing numbers, and if their

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negative results were in line with the other

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99% of labs in the state,

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it would, quote, result in the state's

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11% overall positivity rate

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falling to 10.9%,

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an insignificant difference.

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Oh no, that's huge. The Florida Department of Health

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told FOX 13 out of Florida that,

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quote, in recent days, the Florida

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Department of Health noticed that some smaller

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private labs weren't reporting negative test

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results data to the state.

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The department immediately began working

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with those labs to ensure that all results were

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being reported in order to provide comprehensive

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and transparent data. As the

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state continues to receive results from various

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labs, the department will continue educating

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these labs on proper protocol for reporting

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COVID-19 test results.

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One of the issues here appears to

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be bad messaging from the state

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of what is expected in a pandemic. Of Florida?

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These were smaller private

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labs who might have been unaware of what

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they needed to do. You see,

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when there's no pandemic going on, a lab is

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required by law to report positive

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cases for specified infectious diseases

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that are being tracked. But,

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as it turns out, when there is

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a pandemic, they're also required to

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report negative test results.

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In all likelihood, the message just

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wasn't being spread universally that they

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needed to do this. And even

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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis realizes

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this, saying, quote, there were

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a number of labs who were just simply

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doing what the default is, which is sending the

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positives only without sending the negatives.

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So I don't think they were trying to be underhanded,

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those labs. I think that's kind

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of what they were doing before this started.

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This isn't a conspiracy.

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It's another symptom of widespread mismanagement

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of the response to an outbreak.

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People aren't on the same page, and that leads

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to some folks operating out of step with

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how they should, often completely unknowingly.

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Ultimately, it's important for these

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negative tests to get reported as well,

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because it's crucial to have the most accurate

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information possible, but people who

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looked at the raw data are pretty clear that this

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error doesn't have a significant

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impact on the larger point that things are

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pretty out of control in Florida.

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So, bah.

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Smoking gun.

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Smoking gun.

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Great.

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So Alex gets Jim Hoff's brother in.

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Right. I forgot about that.

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I'm going to pretend it's Jimmy Hoff's brother.

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I think that might be what kind of broke me in terms

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of caring about the fourth hour.

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You're going to do this disappointing interview

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with Roger and pretend that he would have given

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you the exclusive if only he had this piece of paper.

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And then you're going to follow it up with

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this lame dud

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of a COVID-19 bombshell.

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And then you're going to bring in

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Jim Hoff's brother.

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It might have just been like, I'm out.

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I'm out, buddy. But I thought this was

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really funny.

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I'm just shaking my head.

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That's so sad.

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That's the saddest thing you can do to

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a song. Yeah, it is. It is pretty

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sad. Any song that eventually

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ends with I had to ask Joe Hoff.

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That's a sad song.

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I had to ask Joe Hoff.

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That's a sad song.

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I've been searching low and

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ha ha ha.

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Does not matter what's the happiest.

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Happy birthday to you.

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I had to ask Jim Hoff.

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I had to ask Jim Hoff's brother.

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Yeah, so he's on

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to largely do a lot of COVID denialism

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and stuff.

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And I think

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it centers around this story out of Florida.

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And Alex goes even further

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than just sort of

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using this story as a prop. He

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outright lies about it.

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The tests are everywhere and the numbers are

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skyrocketing. And then you learn almost all the tests

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are false. And 333

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labs, as I said earlier, in Florida

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all reported publicly

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100% race.

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Some of them testing thousands. They average about 500.

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So they're testing tens of thousands of people

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and they're all

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positive. That is ridiculous.

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What's really going on here?

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That's a

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great question, Alex.

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Alex is completely making up the number

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of average tests at these labs in Florida.

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There's no source he could be citing to back that

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up other than maybe something he saw

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like on Twitter or something.

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Fox 35 out of Orlando posted

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the actual documents of the lab-specific

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numbers. And if you go through the list, you'll see

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that the highest number of tests run at any

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of these labs that are reporting 100%

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positive cases is 405

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at the Lee Memorial Hospital

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and PanCare of Florida.

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That's nothing compared to the

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540,816

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tests that were done by Quest

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Diagnostics or the

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455,636 done by

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LabCorp. Many of the labs

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with the 100% positive results are

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under 100 tests reported.

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It's all good and well to assume that if they

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hadn't reported, or if they

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haven't reported their negative results,

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then it stands to reason that the actual number of

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tests that they did do should be

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higher. That's fair.

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It's fair to assume that the gross number

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is actually higher. It's the only thing you could

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assume. What's not fair is just to make up

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whatever number you think that

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number might be and then report it as fact,

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which is what Alex is doing.

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Alex is lying and fabricating numbers

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to create a false narrative about this lab story

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and the fact that Jim Hoff's brother doesn't

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immediately call him on it and clarify

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it means that he's a pile of shit

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just like his brother and not somebody

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who needs to be taken seriously. Like, the fact

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that your response isn't, what?

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Yeah. That means that you're invested

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in playing along with the fake version of shit

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that Alex is putting out. Yeah, you know what else?

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The fact that you don't have a name means go fuck

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yourself. Yeah, I don't really, I don't respect

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him enough to even know if Joe was the right

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name. Nope, don't care. So,

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the reason that he's doing this

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is that Jim Hoff's

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brother is apparently pretty

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anti-vaccine and it becomes clear

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here. I think one of the best

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individuals to discuss

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Fauci and just

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the vaccines in general,

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if not you, Alex, is

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the Bobby Kennedy Jr.

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, he exposes fraud, Steve, with the Gaetz

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people that they've had in the test. They're even

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spokespersons are getting real sick. Healthy people

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are getting real sick in the vaccine trials.

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We covered that story a while back when it was relevant.

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It's no longer relevant.

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Yeah, I mean, if he's promoting Robert Kennedy Jr.

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then you kind of know what he's about.

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So, one of the

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main things that is very

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difficult to get around if you

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are a COVID denialist

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is the phenomenon of excess deaths.

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Right. It turns out

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it's not that hard to get around.

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You can just kind of pretend that that number doesn't exist.

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Oh, the thing that I wanted to point out last

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segment that I didn't, I'm sorry,

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was the fact that the one

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measurement that we can take that can

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really kind of tell us how bad this COVID is

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is to look at total deaths

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this year compared to prior years.

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And we've done that now

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and when you look at them, this year's

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deaths, especially related to the flu, et cetera,

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barely, barely

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much greater than prior years.

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Now, slow down and say that again. We should have started

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the whole interview with this. In fact, when we post this to

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Band.video later, I want to put what you're about to say at the

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very front of the interview because we can put

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up the graph showing record testing, but

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deaths have gone way down from

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what they claimed. But let's look

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at last year's numbers

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compared to the flat line of

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death or the range of death compared to

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now. And tell people the name of the article on Gateway

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Punish so folks can find it.

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We're going to be putting it up here shortly. How about that?

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Good, good.

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We have a PhD

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who's provided us this information.

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It's good analysis. And again, data's

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where we need to be. We don't need to be listening

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to doctors right now. We need to be

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listening to the PhD.

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Let's start over. Tell people what you're about to break

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because we're in the zeitgeist. We've hired

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a, he's scared to put his name up, but

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we've hired a highly rated

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statistician to crunch the numbers.

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Who's rating statisticians?

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Actuaries.

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The death numbers of everybody else, put them in the column

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but we're going to have, you're doing the same thing I

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guess, having a PhD statistician

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show it. So tell us what's coming.

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So what he's done is he's looked

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at the last five years of mortality

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rates throughout the US and he compares

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them to this year and we're seeing that there's no

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material increase. On July 1st

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the Journal of the American Medical Association

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released an investigation in their

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imprint called

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internal medicine which looked at the excess

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deaths that have been tallied in the US between

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March and May 2020.

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They found that all cause deaths

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rose by approximately 122,000

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in the United States over that time

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period compared to the same period

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in previous years. At

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that point there were only 95,235

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official deaths from COVID-19

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in the United States, which meant that the

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excess mortality in the country represented

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a number that was 28% higher

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than the official figures that have been linked to

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COVID-19. This is going to be

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difficult for Alex and his newly hired imaginary

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statistician to work around, but I

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wish them the best of luck, and by that I mean

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the worst of luck. No matter how you slice it

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the numbers of all cause mortality in

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this country are approximately 15%

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higher during the period of the pandemic

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that was studied. So unless

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Alex has a compelling argument for why that is

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the case, this line of thinking is going to go

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nowhere. It's just

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a dud. We should not

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be listening to medical

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doctors, Dan. We should be listening

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to doctors of philosophy. We should

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be listening to brothers of doctors.

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Yes, exactly. That's the trick.

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Jesus, what a pathetic...

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The world exists

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now in a place of like,

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oh, you got experts? I got experts.

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It doesn't matter what

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my experts say. I just say they're experts.

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That's it.

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You give them a fake sounding

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good credential, or a good sounding

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fake credential,

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and then you just...

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Hey, okay, sure, he's a lobbyist

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for the coal

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consortium, but he's

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an expert in coal?

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That's equal to this... What do you call them?

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Climate? Climate what? Scientists?

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I don't even understand what that is. Get out of here.

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I have an expert too. It's a mess.

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Fuck off. Yeah. So Alex has one

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attempt that he's going to use to try

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and explain away

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this increase, and

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I think it's bad.

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I think it's not going to work.

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Why is New York a few areas

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of Michigan because they're blue cities

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and states where they intubated

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people, they admit that's what killed them, and

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where they sent regular flu

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and regular pneumonia patients into

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nursing homes knowing they would get a death

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number, and the only way you'd do that in

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10 different Democrat states that did it,

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where you'd have most of the death, is if it was

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premeditated. Please talk about that.

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That's right, and we did a study

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too. We compared Democrat and grand states

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to Republican, and on at least

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a 2 to 1 ratio, you're more likely

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to die in a Democrat state

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from the COVID than in a Republican

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state. This isn't going to work as an

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argument. There's currently over

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100,000 deaths that haven't been in New York

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and Michigan, so I guess that angle probably

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falls apart. Also, Jim Hough's

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brother is revealing his idiocy here.

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If it is true that there's a double chance

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of dying of COVID-19 in blue states

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as opposed to red states, maybe you should

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look for what a factor might be involved

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there. Maybe population

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density is different in these states.

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Maybe blue states include more metropolitan

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urban centers than red states, which

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have different patterns of transmission.

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I mean this sincerely. All you

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need to do is hear someone like Jim Hough's brother

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saying stuff like that. Then you're free to tune

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him out entirely. If he's willing

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to make that kind of blind leap in order to justify

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his narratives, then he's not living in reality

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and whatever all this stuff is is just

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bullshit. And he's Jim

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Hough's brother. He's not a person.

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Well, he's a person.

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I mean, he's a person without a name.

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He's an intellectual cardboard cutout

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that Alex is talking to, and who cares?

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Yeah, I just can't.

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The only thing I wrote down during that is

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just like, how long can you keep doing

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this? Apparently quite a while for that.

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This is nuts.

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How many deaths before

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you have to say,

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I can't keep doing this?

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You know? Like, where does this end?

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Does this end after we get a...

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I mean, if it doesn't end

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before we get a vaccine, it's definitely not gonna

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end after we get a vaccine. I don't know, man.

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I mean, this is insane.

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How can they keep this going this long?

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I don't know. I'm sorry.

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I'm screaming at you. I apologize.

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You're asking me, but it's like, I can't research that.

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I don't know.

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I, intuitively,

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I would've told you way before now.

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Of course. That's what my gut would've

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told me, is like, yeah, once shit

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gets pretty real, even these fraud

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assholes are gonna have to try and

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get right with something.

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But those instincts

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that I have, or those thoughts,

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are clearly not correct.

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Those underlying assumptions.

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The heavier the sand is, the harder they seem to dig

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their heads into it. So we have one last clip

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here, and it's about where I checked out.

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And it's because Alex

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is continuing to

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race bait surrounding this story

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from Indianapolis, the woman who

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was shot.

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And it was just sort of like, alright,

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I just listened to you talk to Jim

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Hoff's brother. I'm not gonna

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put up with this from you.

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So this was sort of the like, alright,

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I've listened to three hours of your show today.

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Fuck yourself.

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Let's just focus in on a real person

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that got killed right here.

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You can have an overhead shot.

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We're just gonna

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sit here for a moment and look

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at somebody that died

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and think about them for just

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a second, because the globalists don't

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want us to humanize any of these

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people. Yeah, that's a mess.

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I mean, he's just basically

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rewritten this entire story and is

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now using it to push his

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very racist agenda.

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I went and I looked

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at the article that he was talking about

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that everyone's celebrating

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this. They just cherry-picked a couple

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of comments from shitheads

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online, and they're saying

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that represents... It's the

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same stupid game that he is like, all the

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Democrats and the left, they all want to crash

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the economy to hurt Trump, and his evidence

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is a fucking clip from Bill Maher.

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It's the same game. It's like, okay, yeah,

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I bet if I had

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the kind of patience

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or any belief that it meant

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anything, I could go through all the comments

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on Infowars and I could find people

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using the n-word, I could find

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any horrifying thing that you

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want me to find on the comments on

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Infowars or people who are Infowars

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fans tweeting out horrible shit,

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but I don't think that means anything. I think that

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would be committing a composition fallacy

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to say that this one shithead commenting

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online in a particular way is

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somehow indicative of what Infowars

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is. Alex does that all

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the fucking time, and that's all he's doing here,

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because it helps him bolster

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this white victimhood narrative

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of, if you dare

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say that there's any nuance to

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Black Lives Matter, then you'll get shot

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in the head. It's just bullshit.

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It's patently race-baiting, and

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I find it abhorrent and

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disgusting. Now, if that wasn't where you

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turned the show off, that's definitely where I would've

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turned the show off. I think you probably got there earlier.

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Jim Hoft's brother, click. Yeah, bye!

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I always have

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hope that maybe there'll be something

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interesting that comes of it, but

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you know, at a certain point you cut bait,

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and that's about where I...

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Because it's also really repetitive.

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This episode was really

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repetitive in a lot of ways.

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Like, it's a lot of the same...

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Like, this Indianapolis

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story is, you know, he's repeating

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it. It comes up a couple times.

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There's the COVID

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story about the Florida labs.

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It's just over and over. It's very,

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very boring. And just

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the constant repetition of the same

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coronavirus narratives, and the same

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they're gonna

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destroy everybody kind of

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shit. Sure, of course.

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I just think, you know, we have to

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come full circle

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with Roger finally showing up,

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and him kind of

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insulting Alex by discussing how

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Cernovich broke that story, and how he

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had a house party that Alex wasn't invited to

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or aware of, but Mancow was at.

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Alex insulting

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him by eating during the interview,

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and cutting him off with a commercial right in the middle

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and talking about coming to God. There's

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some real tension here. There's some passive

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aggression. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm glad

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that this doesn't have to stretch out

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over weeks. We can just have the

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sort of... This week on the show

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we have the...

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The conclusion. The stunning conclusion

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to our saga. Of the will

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they, won't they. It turns out they do,

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and it's disappointing. And Alex

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continues to be a racist piece of shit.

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If Who Shot JR lasted a couple of

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days, that would be way better.

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That would have been preferable. So, I mean, I think

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we get through this little

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time period and we can see that Roger

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definitely wants what he can get

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out of Alex, but doesn't care

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about him all that much based on

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I mean, you know, it's kind of what Alex says

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all the time. You judge a tree by its fruits,

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and I think these fruits clearly

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indicate that Roger would rather be elsewhere

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if there is a higher

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degree of thing he can

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get out of it.

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Thank you, Alex.

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You son of a bitch.

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I think Alex is in agreement

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that I made some great

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points about how Roger doesn't care about him.

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Alex, Roger doesn't care about you

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anymore.

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Thank you.

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Grow up and find some other

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dick to guide the ship.

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Don't make best friends with psychopaths.

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That's usually a good...

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Roger Stone's entire career is evidence

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of don't make friends with Roger

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Stone. Insane.

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I don't know. Anyway, we'll be back.

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We'll see you Wednesday.

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Yes. But I'll be back on

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Monday with something or other. Something.

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But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com, and my book is

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at thequietpartloud.com. Yeah, we're also

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on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's

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at knowledge underscore fight and at go2bedjordan.

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I was on Facebook. We are on Facebook.

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It's really reviewing. If you could,

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please find a local charity or bail fund in your

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area and help people out if you can.

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We'll be back. Until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo. I'm DZXClark. I am not

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Jim Hoft's brother.

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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

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Love your work. I love you.