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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, a knowledge fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, a knowledge fight.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan, we're a couple of dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan, what's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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Why don't you take the lead on this one.

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I have simultaneous bright and incredibly dark spots-

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Oh no.

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That's not the segment.

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We had a-

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Our couch has been savaged by all kinds of small dogs excrement so we finally we, we

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We've got to get a new couch. We've got to do it.

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Sure, I agree with that. It's been a long time since I've been over to your place, but I still agree with that.

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Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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I can't imagine what's happened since then.

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So we got a new couch, and they delivered it.

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It was supposed to come at 10, and instead it came at 8.30.

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And neither she nor I are morning people.

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Especially when there's no job on the horizon to get up for.

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And I am a severe caffeine addict, and I had not had any coffee whatsoever yet.

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So it was an insanely heavy couch, and we got into one of those fights just like that.

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Is this the super dark part?

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Yeah, just one of those fights where it's like, no, it goes in this way. That's the only way.

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And then that spirals out of control because we're both exhausted.

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But, couch looks great.

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That's good.

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Also, it didn't come with two of the cushions.

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So it's not that. So high, low, high, low. Always.

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This is a zigzag. This is a wave pattern.

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Nonstop, yeah.

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Oof.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a rough morning, but everything's worked out.

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Well, good morning.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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I say, in the afternoon.

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I guess my bright spot, this seems like a cheap thing to do, and maybe it's not fair.

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But my bright spot in the last couple days has definitely been preparing for an episode that we're not doing today.

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Of course.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Of course.

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I meant to do a Bill Cooper episode for today, but something happened that made me need to talk about Alex Jones.

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Okay.

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And so we're stinking on Alex Jones, but I was preparing for a Bill Cooper episode.

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And something happened in that episode that I was marching around the apartment, doing fingers up in the air kind of celebratory.

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I heard something in an episode that I never would have expected.

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I probably should have guessed.

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I hate to be teasing like this, but I think we'll do it for Wednesday, and you'll understand as soon as that happens.

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Bill Cooper actually is Bill Hicks.

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No.

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That's not the case, neither is Alex.

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So, Jordan, shitty bright spot on my part, and up and down bright spot on your part.

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Hey, hey, you know what? You live, you learn.

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It's true.

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So today we've got an interesting episode to go over.

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Like I said, we're still talking about Alex Jones.

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We're going to be talking about the May 22nd, 2020 episode.

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I'm Dan, this is 2020.

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God damn it.

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And we're going to talk about some other things in addition to that that are why I ended up staying with Alex for today.

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Breaking news, some new developments.

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Somewhat, yes.

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Or a follow up from our Friday episode, for sure.

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Gotcha, gotcha.

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And we'll get down to business on that, but before we do, let's take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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So first, Andrew L., thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Andrew.

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Thank you.

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Next, Mike, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Mike.

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I'm going to try and use the last initials when possible, but Mike was just Mike.

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Mike's just Mike.

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No last name.

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Okay, all right.

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So that's a serious Mike.

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Oh, it definitely is.

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Next, Sally S., thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Sally S.

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Sally, thank you.

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Next, Chris M., thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Chris.

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Conspiracy of Chris.

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Conspiracy.

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Next, Talbaron, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Talbaron.

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No last name on that one.

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I like it.

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I like a good Talbaron.

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Next, Derek E., thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Derek.

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Thank you.

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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who donated on an elevated

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level.

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We appreciate that very much.

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So, Kristen P., thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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And Jason K., thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why are you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Kristen.

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And thank you so much, Jason.

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Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.

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If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.

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I'd like to support what these gents do.

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You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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Or if you'd like to, you can take that generosity, twist it around and throw it at a local charity

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in your area that helps people.

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I'm trying to find different ways to say it, Jordan.

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Shake it up.

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I like it.

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No, no, no.

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I like it.

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I admit that that one was not as good as it could have been.

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It got a little out of your hands.

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Yeah, but we would appreciate that as well.

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So, Jordan, now it is time before we get into our episode to get into the segment that is

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taking over my life, and that is, of course, the year of the Seltzer.

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Oh, man.

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We're in real trouble here.

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We're in real trouble.

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You're getting more drops.

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Uh-huh.

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I forgot.

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Damn it.

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I forgot the name of the person who sent that to me.

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Thank you.

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You know who you are out there who sent me that drop.

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Thank you so much.

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Seltzer.

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Oh, Jordan, today, here's my update that I have.

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All right.

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I wanted to get weird with it.

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Sure.

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So I was at the store not too long ago, and I saw Signature Selects.

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I think it's the Juul brand.

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Okay.

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And they have a bunch of flavors.

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And so eventually, we'll be able to knock out a number of them.

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But they had two that were sort of weird.

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There was orange cream and strawberry cream.

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Okay.

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So they were like an orange sickle and a strawberry sickle.

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Yeah.

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Trash.

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Of course they are.

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Not good.

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Orange sickles are trash.

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You know what I was thinking, though, as I was drinking it?

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I was like, hmm.

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What have I done with my life?

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That too, yes, for sure.

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That thought crossed my mind, as it does all the time.

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Yeah, fair, fair.

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Except for when I'm dancing around because Bill Cooper said something weird.

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No, I was thinking that the lemon cello, La Croix, that is so highly rated.

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Yes.

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You love so desperately.

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But one of the pieces of that that was so good is that there was a sort of vanilla tinge

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to it.

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And all this is is an orange thing with a vanilla tinge or a strawberry with a vanilla

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flare.

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Sure.

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Just doesn't work.

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There's something wrong with the way the flavors are balanced.

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Yeah.

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Lemon cello is just a much better balanced vanilla.

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Yeah.

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This one is offensive.

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Sometimes it's the execution, not the ingredients.

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It's the way you mix them and all of that stuff.

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I'm sure that an orange with a nice vanilla could be a treat.

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There's a possibility, I'm sure.

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Anyway, I'm being far too cruel about this on the podcast.

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I was disappointed.

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Fuck you.

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But they both got 51s.

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Fuck you.

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They're not terrible.

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But I wanted more out of that.

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Take that jewel.

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It's been the year of the Celsius.

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Yeah.

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So Jordan, like I said, we got the 22nd to get into, and I'll be honest with you right

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on top, we have some fun things to talk about, but that show sucked.

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Of course.

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It's a lot of rambling.

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Naturally.

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It's a lot of talking about the devil and what have you.

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Sure.

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It's mostly pointless.

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The devil is everywhere except where God is.

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Right.

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That's just science.

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But we have this follow up, and so I'm going to play for you a clip that we played on our

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last episode, Friday's episode.

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This is from May 22nd, which is, I'm sorry, May 21st, Thursday, and it's Alex talking

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about Joe Rogan and his plans to go after the left.

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And Joe told me about his plans, and I told him, I said, this is hardcore, man.

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You really want me to tell people this?

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He said, yeah, no, I want you to go on there and tell everybody this.

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And so Joe's always tried to stay politically neutral and he tried to get along with the

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left and they have acted like total monsters and he's done with them and he doesn't care

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what they do.

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He's coming after them.

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So that's what's exciting.

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So this episode came out and then like over the weekend, Rogan released an episode, his

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next episode after Alex did this.

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Sure.

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And it was...

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The very next episode.

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David Pakman, noted left-wing YouTube talk show host, who's, I believe, a social Democrat.

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Right.

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And he took him down.

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He just said, I'm done with you forever.

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They did a three-hour episode that was very cordial and very nice between the two of them.

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And it also included Joe saying this.

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And this is an important point because Alex Jones made some crazy video after our conversation

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that I had with him yesterday, where he was saying that I'm going to war against censorship

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and a war against YouTube.

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That's I'm not doing any of those things.

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I made this deal with Spotify because it's a great company and it's a great deal.

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And I'm excited to be in a partnership with the company as opposed to like a company that

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I just put my stuff up on their platform, whether it's Apple or YouTube.

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I don't like that YouTube censors things.

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I don't like that they do that, like with those doctors in Bakersfield.

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But I'm not at war with them.

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I'm not at war with anybody.

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And I'm not...

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Okay.

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I don't envy them, their position.

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So he then gets into talking about how it's the position that YouTube and all of these

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companies find themselves in is something he doesn't want to have to make those sorts

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of choices that they are in the position of making.

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That's a reasonable thought.

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So the name of that clip is Alex lied about Joe Rogan.

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This is...

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100%.

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Alex just made that shit up.

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100%.

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He took whatever the conversation was that the two of them had.

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And maybe it was Joe saying something like, you know, I don't think that it's great that

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YouTube is taking some of these things down and Alex is like, he's on the warpath.

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That's a really shitty friend.

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That's really bad.

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Alex is a terrible, terrible person.

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So I was listening to this episode with David Pakman and Rogan and I thought like, well,

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I could do a whole episode on how stupid fucking Rogan is.

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Like he just believes some really stupid shit, but to his credit, I guess, because I can

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watch these things critically, he does say like, no one should listen to me.

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I don't know what I'm talking about.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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Yeah.

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It's the same way with like, I don't want to do shows about Michael Savage because he's

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like, I am a racist.

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Yeah.

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Well, all right.

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Cool.

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You have, you, you know it, you've said it.

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People can choose to not like you for it or like you for it.

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It's a little bit, it's a little bit out there.

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Joe is like, I'm fourth banana on news radio guys.

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Don't listen to my political views.

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Yeah.

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And you know, I think some people do still take him seriously, but in terms of like really

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critically deconstructing, like some of these things that he says that are stupid, it's

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like, well, you know, the rebuttal to that would be like, Joe says not to take him seriously.

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Well, I don't have a response to that.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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But there were a couple of things that I think are really worth pointing out.

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And so here's the first one where Joe wonders about Bill Gates.

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It's crazy when you go back and listen to Bill Gates, a Ted talk in 2015, talking about

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the possibility of a pandemic and wiping everybody out.

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And then five years later, you see it happen and you're like, nobody listened.

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Nobody listened.

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How crazy is it that people are now Bill Gates is the bad guy.

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I've got people.

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I went to high school.

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I have people I went to high school with hosting insane conspiracies about Bill Gates is the

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problem now to a lot of people.

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How did that happen?

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It helped me there.

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It helped me there with that.

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I know.

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I was watching this video.

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I have a guess.

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We're hunting to beach where there are all these people are protesting free California

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and they're running around and this guy's got a megaphone like Bill Gates is the devil.

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Like, how did that happen?

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It's one of the weirdest memes.

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I know a guy with a bullhorn, cultural memes.

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Who says that thing has happened that Bill Gates is this philanthropic billionaire who's

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literally like make toilets in Africa and spent millions of dollars to try to get people

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education and millions of dollars on all sorts of great social good.

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All of a sudden he's a bad guy.

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This is so illuminating of how bad Joe is at this because on the one hand, on this episode,

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he's saying that Alex is fucking lying about the things I told him, but not phrasing it

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that way.

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And then he's like, how can you make Bill Gates the bad guy?

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Who could do that?

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Talk to your friend.

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How is it possible?

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Talk to your friend that you support.

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Do you not even realize that that's Alex's biggest thing in the pink sweaters at this

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point?

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Like you don't even like when, when Joe goes on and he's like, Hey, I like this guy.

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He's a friend of mine.

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Great.

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But yeah.

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Recognize that a lot of the things that you think are crazy are things that Alex is very

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strongly pushing into the mainstream consciousness.

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And so that's a pretty sad, pretty sad.

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One of my least favorite, the things that make me so infuriating is, is when people

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diagnose the correct problem that we all know how it happened.

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Everyone knows.

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Well, Alex wasn't alone in it, but he was a big part of it.

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No, but I mean, the obvious answer to that is the far right has created a propaganda

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campaign in order to paint this guy as a villain in order to accomplish their own ends, because

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it's easier to do that.

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Like everybody knows this, it's obvious.

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And take it outside though, the right wing, it's like conspiracy and a larger one world

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government and anti vaccination communities have demonized him for a long time.

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And the right wing is picking up on that and amplifying it and running with it in a way

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that they might not have, or they might've recognized or like, let's not do this other

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times because of the normalization and mainstreaming of conspiracy as a whole.

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Now here's the last clip from Rogan and it's this one really I love.

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And it's because Rogan is talking about how like, you know, like, Hey, you know, it's

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no good that there's like a profit motive in vaccines, right?

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But, but, but, but, but he is still pro vaccination and everything, but he's like, you know, it

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is fucked up that we have that, which would lead you to believe that what he's actually

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supporting is like public subsidization, which is nice, but then this, he kind of runs right

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into a brick wall.

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Here's the problem.

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There is profit in vaccines.

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That's a problem.

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So like when you look, when someone looks for a conspiracy and they say something like

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Bill Gates, he just wants a profit on the vaccine.

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You can't say no one ever profits on vaccines.

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So that's a stupid idea.

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You go, well, how much is a vaccine worth and how much profit is there in vaccines?

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Then you look into it, you go, Whoa, there's a lot of profit of vaccines.

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Shit.

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I wish there was none.

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I wish, you know, they're making them just for the greater good of mankind.

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So we're buying private jets and Ferraris off that money, but look, everything where

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people do it and do it well, seems to require incentive, you know, and it's funny to me

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to think of the system, right, because it's not just vaccine, but it's funny to me that

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people don't have a problem with that with capitalism, but the same people that would

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vote right and don't have a problem with the capitalism, maybe be anti regulation or angry

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that people make money off of vaccines.

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But yes, they're also angry because we're cynical and we wonder, OK, if they're making

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money off vaccines, would it be possible for them to incentivize doctors to vaccinate people

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more?

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Or if they got more people involved, they would make more money like that is a problem

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in just human nature when you can make more money.

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OK, give me the reality that not vaccinating and having way more people to treat for stuff

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is way more profitable.

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That's a good point.

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Oh, is it?

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Yeah.

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I love moments like that.

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It's like, well, yeah, all right.

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You win.

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Oh, this rant that I just went on about something that makes me worried.

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I realize it's based on a completely faulty premise.

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Oh, yeah.

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Ha.

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OK.

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OK.

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So that episode as a whole isn't like something I would do a whole episode breakdown about.

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But the point of like, you know, really bringing home the like Alex completely lied about this

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and Brogan has brought it up on his show like Alex is saying crazy shit about our conversation.

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Like that's embarrassing.

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That's really bad.

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I can't I can't find a way for his reaction to that to make sense to me because that constitutes

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a massive betrayal.

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Oh, it's you know, somebody took our private conversation, twisted it, changed it and ruined

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it and turned it into a propaganda tool for his bullshit without my knowledge or consent.

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Yeah.

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Tried to piggyback the story and make it about himself.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's no more a friend time.

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No, it's it's downright borderline sociopathic behavior, like you do not.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I don't know.

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I mean, everyone has their own right to make up their boundaries as they see fit.

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And if Rogan doesn't see that as a complete breach of trust, then that's right.

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Of course.

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It seems like, man, you got to expect even worse.

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I mean, how can you not expect after saying like, how does Bill Gates become the bad guy?

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He builds toilets and how how does he expect Alex to not do a segment about that and call

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you a sneaky?

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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You got this game already.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Keep keep amplifying your poor guy.

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So we're going to get to the twenty second.

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But there's another thing that I came across that I felt needed to be talked about.

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And that was an episode of The War Room, not a full episode, but a clip that Owen Troyer

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put out.

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And I just want to put this down on wax, as it were, and bring it to people's awareness

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that Owen Troyer is putting stuff like this out into the world.

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There is a rally this weekend in Austin, Saturday at the Capitol at noon.

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So I will be there.

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But there's rallies happening in California, New York, everywhere.

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And I can't be a part of all of them.

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But I salute all the rallies that, by the way, total proof that there's no damn spread.

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OK.

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A hundred and ten percent total proof.

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I don't know what else I can do.

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I was literally telling Alex was like, Alex, I'll go eat dirt on the Capitol.

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I'll go lick doorknobs.

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I'll do any I'll lick a doorknob at a hospital to prove this thing isn't real.

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You couldn't get coronavirus if you tried.

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Wow.

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So that's probably a bad take.

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I will donate to this cause.

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I mean, he licked doorknobs.

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He didn't do this and he shouldn't do it.

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You shouldn't encourage him to do that, even as like some publicity stunt.

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Still negative consequences from that.

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But like, that's the kind of thing that people like Owen are putting out into the world,

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because he's like, I went to this rally and I didn't get sick.

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It's like, yes, there is some rant.

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Like, would you, Owen, like, I understand there's still even like some randomness with

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like licking a doorknob.

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Like would you you know, you could do that and not get sick.

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There's a possibility.

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Sure.

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Someone who exchanged bodily fluids with someone who has tested positive and is definitely

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contagious.

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Obviously.

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Of course.

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There's no spread.

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Right.

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There's no spread.

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You can't spread it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a real lame game.

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So Owen is doing this rally, right?

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To reopen stuff and what have you.

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But he decides he's going to joke around here about how what it really is is a rally to

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spread the virus, because then what they can do is they can say that we're trying to spread

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the virus.

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But then when no one gets it, it'll all blow up in the media's face.

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This is really bad.

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Don't they ever get really stupid?

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I'm exhausted by them.

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This weekend, weekend, weekend rally, rally, rally, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.

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Spread, spread, spread the COVID-19.

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Come on out to the Texas State Capitol building in Austin, Texas.

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Come to the front steps and get your Corona virus.

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That's right.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we're looking for a super spread of mega spread, a massive spread

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here in Austin, Texas.

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We don't want things reopened.

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So we're going to have a massive spread rally in Austin, Texas this Saturday at the Texas

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State Capitol in Austin at 12 noon when the sun is at its peak so that we can spread this

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virus massively.

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You can take the virus home and spread it.

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I can take the virus home and spread it and we can have a super spread.

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It starts this weekend in Austin, Texas.

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And when there isn't a spread, what's the media going to say?

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Are they going to admit that they were wrong?

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I doubt it.

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So let's have the super spread rally.

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I'll be there Saturday.

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I'm spreading that virus.

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Oh, I'm going to spread that virus, Jason.

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Oh, and if you bring your grandma, you don't have to pay cover charge.

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These jokes are shit.

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I remember brevity being the soul of wit and I guess I was wrong.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You got to stretch it out.

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Apparently you really need to really need to milk it.

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But I think things like that are going to look really bad if you're wrong, Owen.

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I think that if people die after these rallies or things, it kind of makes it look like you're

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encouraging the things that might have been a part of leading to their being infected

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and getting sick and dying.

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So I don't know.

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First of all, even if that was like, you know, a joke, it's not a good joke.

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No.

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I can separate myself and be like, hey, this is offensive as hell, but it's funny.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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There is that.

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Comics.

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That wasn't funny.

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That just wasn't funny.

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There was no bit there.

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No.

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Anyway.

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I mean, they might as well, those rallies might as well feature a wicker man at this

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point.

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Like just string somebody up and burn a whole farm and a person inside it.

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You guys are sacrificing yourselves for something and I don't know why.

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It's weird because it doesn't feel exactly like that because of the randomness of it.

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Or not randomness, but like, you know, you could go to all of the rallies that have ever

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been and not get sick.

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It is possible.

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So you could tell yourself that there isn't a risk to it.

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And I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, yeah, but there was a guy who was at both Hiroshima and Nagasaki each time when

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the bombs fell.

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There was a guy who lived through two nuclear bombs.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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I didn't know that.

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You can do all kinds of weird shit, but I'm not going to a fucking rally.

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No.

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I understand that.

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It's all possible.

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But the same mentality is what allows people like Owen and Alex to trick with like, you're

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not taking risks.

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So we get to now the 22nd, Rogan's rebuttal and Owen's shitty jokes aside.

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And like I said, I don't really have much commentary about that except for just to say

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like, hey, let's remember that, let's remember that.

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Put that down.

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Yeah.

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So we get to the 22nd and here we jump in and Alex has some big news and that is that

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the pastors of America are fighting back against the closure.

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We have the beginning of the victory.

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And it is pastors 66 days into total martial law lockdown saying you under the First Amendment

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have no law, have no right to tell us that we can't be open.

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Congress will make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise

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thereof.

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The first words in American government documents, once a government for of and by the people

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was established, was Congress, the lawmakers shall make no law.

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You realize that was added on Congress.

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The ultimate lawmaking authority shall make no law.

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Congress shall make no law.

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Moses up on the mountain shall make no law.

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Congress shall make no law.

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Congress.

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Moses didn't really make the laws.

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No.

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Congress shall make no law.

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Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.

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The establishment of religion or prohibiting the practice thereof.

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I wonder if at any point in that constant repetition of saying Congress shall not, I

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wonder if Alex realized that Congress has nothing to do with any of the stay at home

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orders or business closures.

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Congress made the law that said we're staying at home.

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Congress shall make no law.

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All that stuff is being done on the state level with Congress not being in the mix at

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all.

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The only person who's walking into dicey constitutional territory right now is Trump when he threatens

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to override the state governors who don't go along with what he wants.

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That is, in theory, a violation of the 10th Amendment, something that Alex used to yell

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about a whole lot back in 2009.

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It's all a bunch of nonsense, though.

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Trump knows that he legally can't make the governors open up anything.

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It's all just posturing and yelling to his base and, I don't know, could get dangerous.

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But that said, this is a pretty big embarrassment on Alex's part.

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He's Mr. State's rights, and he's supposed to be a constitutional scholar, but even just

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the very basic things he's saying don't make sense.

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If the Constitution says that Congress shall not make a law about religion or prohibit

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its free exercise, that isn't relevant to bring up when Congress isn't making laws or

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prohibiting anything.

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It's kind of more of a general thing, you know?

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Like when it says Congress, it's kind of more just saying, like, everybody shall make no

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ing - You, me, we're all Congress.

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We're all Congress.

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Any grouping of people is really a Congress at the end of the day.

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Yeah.

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So you noticed something in that last clip that was a little bit weird about Alex's phrasing

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of things, and I caught that the first time around too, but the one Alex kept talking,

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I got real worried.

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Yeah.

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I got really worried.

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The first words of the government's establishment, the rebellion to establish a government of

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the people was a declaration of independence, we the people.

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What about the Articles of Confederation?

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But now that there's a government, the first words are Congress cannot make any laws or

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has no regulations and has no jurisdiction.

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Can we put the First Amendment to the U.S.?

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Bill of Rights up on screen, please.

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Just First Amendment.

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So this is fucking embarrassing.

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This is bad.

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Alex is saying that the Declaration of Independence begins we the people, and that is not true.

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We the people does not appear anywhere in the Declaration of Independence.

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What Alex should have said is, quote, when in the course of human events it becomes necessary

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for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and

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to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws

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of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind

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requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

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That's the beginning of the Declaration of Independence.

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No, the beginning of the Declaration of Independence, the very first beginning is, King Richard

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shall make no law restricting -

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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What Alex is thinking of with we the people is the preamble to the Constitution.

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King George, sorry.

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Alex legitimately seems to not know the difference between the preamble to the Constitution and

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the Declaration of Independence, which is a massive problem considering he's supposed

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to be an American patriot who studied all this stuff.

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Does seem like that.

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What's an even bigger problem is that Alex seems to think that the amendments are the

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beginning of the Constitution.

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He's saying that as soon as we got ourselves a country going, we were all like, all right,

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let's start with amending a blank document, which is not the case.

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That's the plan.

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The Constitution begins with the preamble, which is, you know, is just saying that we're

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trying to form a more perfect union and this Constitution guides the country.

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Then it starts with Article I, which lays out the structure of the legislative branch.

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Then there's Article II for the executive and Article III for the judicial.

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There's seven articles in total in the original document before the amendments were ever added.

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Alex doesn't know that much about the Constitution or American history.

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Not a big fan.

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It's scary whenever it disagrees with you.

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Well, and he's not really interested in that stuff.

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No.

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He just wants to fight.

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And the amendments are the enumeration of things that the government can't do and would

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give him justification to fight the government.

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That's all he cares about.

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Anyone with a familiarity with U.S. government, like, I don't know, let's say you took a class

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in high school on it, would clearly see that Alex has no idea about the things he's talking

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about.

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If there's one thing he damn well should know about, it's this.

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His whole thing is a charade.

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Everything is bullshit.

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The people most likely to carry a Constitution are the ones most likely never to have read

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it.

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You don't have to read it if you carry it.

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You carry it around with you.

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You pull it out.

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And then when somebody references something, you open it up and you go, I don't remember

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that being there at all.

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So Alex, a lot of the beginning of this episode is about the idea that churches are unessential

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and the globalists want churches to be unessential.

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And Alex is mad about that because he thinks that they want to end religion and make us

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all worship the state.

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Why has in the Europe and the UK, the Europe, Australia and the U.S., why are they saying

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churches are the thing that has to stay closed the longest?

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Because it's the most unessential.

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Because taught in all the sociology, psychology and anthropology textbooks now, they teach

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that religion is mental illness because their religion is the religion of the state and

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of globalism and of transhumanism.

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So they want all other thought processes that don't worship them and don't put the state

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bureaucrats as God outlawed and we're right back to having to worship Pharaoh instead

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of Jehovah.

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I don't like either.

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And so this is the prime movement, the prime initiative of the globalist is to end your

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right to either believe in a God or not believe in a God and make the state God.

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So in terms of opening up churches and stuff, there's actually a bit of difference of opinion

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on the question, even among the Christian community.

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Reverend Lou Peel wrote an op-ed in the Baltimore Sun arguing that the church building itself

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could not be the focus of the question or it shouldn't be at least because the people

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themselves are the church.

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The people are essential whereas the building itself is important but not essential.

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As long as there's a virus spreading that's killing people, it's more important to protect

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them than to go to a building.

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He cites other folks like Pastor David Ewell who said, quote, what are the essentials God

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would ask for the church?

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We developed a series called Essentials and guess what?

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Our building wasn't on them.

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The greatest church is a healthy church.

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Or there's Pastor Zach S. Wine who said, quote, we don't prove our faith by defying orders

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in order to shake the hand of another Christian.

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We prove our faith by denying ourselves so that we can clear the throat of a neighbor

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who can't breathe.

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Yeah.

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I mean, even their own fucking books says anywhere men gather in my name I am with them

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or whatever it is.

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You can gather digitally.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Obviously, there are plenty of folks who come down on the opposite side of the issue.

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But to pretend that there isn't a voice within the Christian community that believes that

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the suspension of in-person services is appropriate is a little bit dishonest of Alex.

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The Guardian reported in early April about a suburban Sacramento megachurch that didn't

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take warnings seriously and at least 71 congregants ended up testing positive and at least one

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died.

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In late March, NBC News reported on an Arkansas church that held an event despite warnings

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and the result was at least 34 congregants catching coronavirus, including the pastor

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and his wife.

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The pastor made a statement, quote, maybe you assumed that it couldn't happen to you

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just like I did.

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Please adhere to the social instructions that you're receiving locally and nationally.

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And then there was Bishop Gerald O. Glenn from Richmond, Virginia.

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He was defiant about continuing to hold services, quote, unless I'm in jail or the hospital.

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He said, quote, I am essential.

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I'm a preacher.

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I talk to God.

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Glenn caught COVID-19 and is now dead.

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His wife also tested positive and it's hard to imagine that there aren't some other churchgoers

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who have as well.

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Glenn's daughter said, quote, it becomes very real to you.

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I just beg people to understand the severity and the seriousness of this because people

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are saying it's not just about us.

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It's about everyone around us.

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There are more stories like this, but I think you get the point.

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And they're all about the same.

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People not taking the risk seriously, then when the consequences come, they say I should

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have listened.

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Please take this seriously.

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The goal is to hopefully never end up in a position where you have to tell people to

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not be like you and to take the situation seriously.

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That's what these people whose lives have been horribly affected by the virus are trying

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to communicate to the rest of us and it would be wise to heed their words.

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I think everything that I've read, though, even like even most recent polls are like

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the overwhelming majority, even among Christians, even among Republicans, even among everybody

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is let's stay inside and get through this shit.

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But the signal boost from every possible journalistic outlet towards these ridiculous protests makes

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it feel like holy shit, the entire right wing is doing this when it's just a small vocal

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minority that keeps getting every bit of press they possibly can.

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And you have people like Owen saying you can't get it even if you want to.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I've seen some of that data, but I haven't looked too deeply into it, so I'm not entirely

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sure.

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But yeah, that was the sense I'm getting that pretty consistent polling is showing people

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not wanting to rush this, which is smart.

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Which is why, of course, they elected people who were screaming at them that it's time

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to reopen.

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Yeah.

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Hey, super smart.

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The reasons why churches would be a serious vector for virus transmission is pretty clear

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to anyone who thinks about it for a second.

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There's an almost ritualized environment of shaking hands, of hugging, and when you consider

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the close seating that's almost universal and the donation basket that gets passed around,

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these things could be a big problem.

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I understand and I empathize with the people for whom going to church is a cornerstone

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of their lives.

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For a lot of people, the physical church is the center of their social and emotional lives,

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and for that to go away is really challenging.

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I would never want to minimize that, and I do want to respect it, but at the same time,

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when there are such serious stakes involved, there are other ways that those needs can

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be met, and plenty of ways that the spirituality and religion of your choice can still be practiced.

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I really enjoyed this quote from Reverend Peele's op-ed.

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Quote, the coronavirus has not canceled worship, but has changed the way we worship.

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The new normal, or at least for the moment, may put more emphasis on our personal relationship

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to our God and how each one of us chooses to worship.

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Maybe, just maybe, the new normal will be a positive thing.

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That's kind of a beauty-

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No!

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No!

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I'm melting!

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That was Alex's reaction.

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That's kind of a beautiful sentiment, and I'm saying that is a completely non-religious

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person.

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That is, yeah.

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It's like, yeah, all these circumstances, we can get through them, and they don't have

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any effect on what's supposed to be the cornerstone, which is our own connection with the divine.

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Yeah.

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There's nothing I know more than that Christianity will, of course, be stamped out and wiped

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out if we have to wear masks and not go to church for a little bit.

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Christianity is not a very strong religion whatsoever.

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How old is it?

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It's never survived anything like this before, Dan.

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Yeah.

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It's strange.

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But it's really most of what Alex is getting on about, and part of that is because he has

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an interview on this show with a pastor who just went viral for tearing up a cease and

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desist order.

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Oh, so strong.

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Yeah.

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So powerful.

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He has that guy pray-

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Just like the martyrs.

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Just like the martyrs he is.

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Yeah.

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He has that guy pray on air.

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It's very uncomfortable.

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We're not going to listen to that.

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But Alex has a-

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Which, again, by their own Bible, a horrifying thing to do that God will smite you down for,

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I believe.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know enough about that preacher.

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I don't care.

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Yeah.

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But this next clip is an unfortunately, it appears to be a true story, and it's a bummer.

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And so, of course, churches are the most non-essential thing on earth, and they're getting burned

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down in Europe.

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They're getting burned down in the United States.

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One got burned down yesterday because they refused to close, and a goody-two-shoes watching

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TV came and burned it down.

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I don't know about what he's talking about in Europe necessarily, but I looked into the

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specific about the one in the US, and I'm not positive that that church was burned down

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by a goody-two-shoes who watches TV, but unfortunately, it is a real story, and he's fairly close

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to accurate on the details, at least as they're currently available.

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This is the First Pentecostal Church in Holly Springs, Mississippi.

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The church had defied local stay-at-home orders, and last Wednesday, someone set fire to it

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and left a spray-painted message, bet you stay home now, you hypocrites, spelled H-Y-P-O-K-R-I-T-E-S.

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Was that on purpose, you think?

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I'm not sure.

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Interesting.

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It's a real tough misspelling, but there's some investigation that needs to be done to

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nail down the culprit and all that, but based on first appearances, it looks like this was

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an arson committed by someone who was mad that they were defying stay-at-home orders.

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If that's what it turns out to be, then that's horrible, and it's counterproductive to the

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aims that the potential alleged arsonist seems to be motivated by.

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Burning down the church isn't going to stop them from renting out another space and continuing

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to hold services.

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It's an act that's pointless, wrong, and probably counterproductive.

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It's interesting to think about this, though, and compare it to the other instances of crimes

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like this and how Alex responds to them.

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Whenever there's an incident of someone spraying swastikas on a Jewish person's home or any

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of that sort of hate crime, Alex will immediately and without proof say that the whole thing

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is fake.

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Some leftist spray-painted the swastika in order to make it look like there's actual

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Nazis around.

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False flag.

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Basically, false flag.

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False flag.

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Gotta make the right wing look bad.

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They have to really work hard to make the right wing look bad.

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In this instance, they haven't caught the culprit yet.

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We just have some graffiti that indicates that the person that did this did so because

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the church was defying stay-at-home orders.

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Because this incident works for Alex's narratives and grants his side the status of the aggrieved

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party, Alex doesn't question this at all.

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There's absolutely no consideration of the idea that this could be a false flag.

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If Alex was a sincere actor, he should be speculating about the possibility that some

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right wing stay-at-home protesters started the fire and left that message so that arson

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would be blamed on the folks who were in favor of the stay-at-home orders.

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The speculation and conspiracy doesn't apply in cases like this because they don't need

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to.

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Speculation and conspiracy for Alex are tools of right wing gun and white supremacist apologia.

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And to be clear, I'm not saying that Alex should speculate that this church arson was

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a false flag.

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I don't think it is.

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And I'm mostly just pointing out how weird it is that he's not playing that game here,

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but he does in other instances.

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That's a, you know, if I were writing a syllabus of how to study Alex Jones, one of the things

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I would do is like, pay attention to the way he engages in similar stories that target

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different groups.

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Pay attention to that and you should learn almost everything you need to know.

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Pretty much.

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Yeah.

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That's what I find.

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I will be immensely annoyed if it turns out to be a false flag.

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That will annoy the shit out of me so hard, because why?

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What are we doing?

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Come on, man.

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Stop it.

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This is just going to make more people think that false flags are a real thing.

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It's so annoying.

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That's not a possibility.

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You really need to take that seriously.

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I'm very serious.

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I think there's an investigation that'll go the way it goes.

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I didn't mean to introduce that thought into your mind.

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No, now I'm terrified that that's the thought.

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Okay, well.

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I just don't.

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Ease your mind.

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I don't like that more just because regardless of how it happens, the church and the churchgoers

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and all of us are in this together.

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They're not a problem.

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The problem is how they got to where they are.

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We need to focus on the propaganda and who's doing all of this and who's pushing all of

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these people this way.

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Why would you bother with that?

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That's insane.

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That doesn't make any sense.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It's counterproductive.

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Yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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It only serves to hurt the possibility of some sort of understanding and better path

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forward.

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Yeah.

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So you're not going to be happy about this, but Alex starts talking about Ahmaud Arbery

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again.

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Ooh, cool.

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And here's why I think he's talking about it, the situation.

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Hate?

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Also, he tells a story about going on a walk and seeing a white guy in a building that's

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under construction.

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And then killing that guy?

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No.

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No.

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So that's one major difference between the two stories.

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But he's using that as a way to inoculate himself from a lot of the racism of the positions

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that he is going to express.

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And I will say this upfront, the story about his walk that morning, I don't believe it's

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true for a fucking second.

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But Alex has found a new video and I would say that this is not good.

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It's not hard hitting.

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And so coming up, I've got the footage.

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Here's an example of Ahmaud Arbery when he just pulls up in the park up on the curb up

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in the middle of the park like he's the king of earth.

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If I pulled up in the middle of a park over the curb and parked in the middle of the park,

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the cops would show up like that and go, are you mentally ill?

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Why are you parked in the middle of the park?

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Why are you out of the parking lot?

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I mean, it's like, and he's got his coat with his chest out and he's acting like, you know,

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he's a billionaire superstar or something messing with the police.

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That's really asking for it.

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This footage that Alex has of Ahmaud Arbery is from 2017 and it's not like he drove his

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car into a park like you might imagine, like right next to the jungle gym or the bars or

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whatever.

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It's a patch of grass next to some train tracks.

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When the police say why they're talking to him, they don't say that it's because of him

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driving on the grass.

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They say it's because that's an area that's known for drug activity.

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This is just part of Alex's white identity based propaganda work.

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It's really important for Alex to make excuses for and form conspiracies about any incidents

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that appear to be racially motivated violence carried out by white people because his entire

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worldview centers around white victimhood.

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The actual killing looks pretty bad.

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So Alex and his ilk have decided what they need to do.

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Don't talk about it.

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I'll even talk about it a little bit, but you've got to paint the victim as someone

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who had it coming.

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Of course.

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That way you can pay lip service to pretending to be opposed to the killing, but at the same

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time you don't really condemn it for what it appears to be.

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Hey, he was, he drove on some grass.

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That's a death sentence.

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That makes sense.

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He was wearing a coat.

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What are you going to do?

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A man's wearing a coat.

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You gotta kill him.

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You just gotta.

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Yeah.

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This, this is a, this is proof of a deficient character.

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Of course.

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That means he probably has to definitively, obviously it's proven that he was breaking

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into those houses.

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That's the only thing that makes sense.

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That's the game that's being played here.

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And again, this is almost a perfect case study in Alex's racism.

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When you want to understand what makes Alex such a flagrant bigot, all you have to do

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is consider the differences and how he covers a case like this, where two white men chased

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down an unarmed black man and killed him.

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And how he covered the case of Kate Steinle, where a white woman was accidentally hit by

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a stray bullet that ricocheted off the ground after an immigrant unknowingly discharged

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a gun that he found on the ground wrapped in a rag.

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When white people are the victims, it's an anti-white hate crime.

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When white people are the perpetrator, the victim wasn't so great themselves and they

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probably had it coming.

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This is how this works.

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Again, it's about the differences.

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You compare things that are, um, you know, Hey, well, your coverage goes this way one

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time and this way, uh, the other, why, why is that?

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If you have really only one explanation, if you actually have a principle, it does not

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matter the circumstances surrounding it.

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My principle is don't murder people.

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That seems very simple.

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I don't understand why you need to add other like, Oh, well, hold on this person.

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I don't know if you know, this stole a pack of gum one time.

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Oh, well, nevermind.

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Of course it's fine.

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He was in a house naturally.

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Yeah.

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Fuck off.

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Yeah.

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And so this proceeds and Alex, what he's doing is essentially trying to build a shitty case

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as to why you shouldn't care that much about Ahmaud Arbery's death.

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Let me just tell you, I pull up in the middle of the park and the grass, I'm, I'm, I'm,

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I'm wearing a, a fur coat with jogging pants and I'm waving arms and cussing at people

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and telling them F U and then they caught him with marijuana, which I say they should

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decriminalize fine.

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But the point is they didn't arrest him because they were politically correct, ladies and

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gentlemen.

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So then months later he's going in houses, he's casing them out.

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People go to stopping.

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Who the fuck are you?

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The rest is legal and I stay, holy shit, physically attacking him.

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He gets killed.

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I'm not happy.

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This guy got killed.

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Kinda sounds like you are.

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He's got that same whole thug look at that white guy this weekend when I'm hiking around

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the woods behind a neighborhood and there's a guy in full black with a hood over his head

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and full like a robber outfit and I start walking towards him and the guy turns and

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looks at me all crazy.

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He was a crazy looking white convict type and you're asking me, how do I know a thug?

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Let me, let me tell you whether they're white thug or a black thug.

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I know what a thug looks like.

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Put them back on screen.

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They've got that dumb, stupid, arrogant look.

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So the police in 2017 didn't catch Arbery with marijuana.

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Ahmaud Arbery didn't allow them to search his car and the police suspected that he had

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weed in his car, but that's not proven nor would it matter at all in terms of the bigger

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conversation that's being had here.

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Alex literally says that weed should be decriminalized, yet he's here using a lie about the police

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catching Arbery with weed to paint a picture of Arbery as being someone whose death is

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not that big a deal.

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Also, the argument about citizen's arrest is fucking absurd.

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There are rules about the use of force in terms of putting someone under citizen's arrest

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and I don't think anyone could make the argument that the circumstances here justified lethal

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force.

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I would fucking love for Alex to try and make that argument, especially in court.

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That would be fun.

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The whole story Alex is telling about seeing a white person in a hoodie on his morning

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hike or whatever, it's absolutely a fake story that Alex has just concocted to allow himself

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to say horrible things about Arbery like that he quote, looks like a thug.

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Alex gives himself permission to make these very clearly racially coded attacks on a murder

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victim by fabricating a white person that he's also applying these labels to.

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I know a white person.

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By using this term to apply to both a real black murder victim and imaginary white guy

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Alex saw this morning, Alex can pretend that what he's doing isn't outrageously bigoted

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but then it's a really, it's a really transparent thing what he's doing.

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You know, there are mitigating factors that don't have anything to do with skin color.

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That's not what I'm talking about.

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I mean, the way it looks from where I'm sitting is Alex just wants to say that Ahmaud Arbery

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deserved to be killed because he was a black guy doing something suspicious but he knows

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that that would be too explicit.

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He probably doesn't want to deal with the consequences of expressing those opinions.

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Yeah, no.

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Because his case is shit.

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Like what Alex is doing is shit.

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It's insane.

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't do this no matter, like okay, let's do this.

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Let's do the, let's do the whole opposite situation.

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There is a white dude dressed in army fatigues carrying guns who has, who is killed for looking

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like a terrorist and then we find out, oh, he's got a previous conviction for domestic

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violence and yada, yada, yada and all that shit.

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That doesn't mean I want, I'm okay or it's not a tragedy that he got murdered.

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That's still a fucking murder.

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Right.

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It's disgusting and awful and you should just be able to fucking say this guy was murdered

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for being black.

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That's it.

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It shouldn't be that hard to deal with the, uh, deal with the story on a, in an honest

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way.

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And it's something Alex can't do.

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No.

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Um, and so in order to make this a little bit more compelling, uh, his angle on it,

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he, he, he sort of reports on it alongside another story where a black youth, uh, beat

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up a guy in a nursing home, uh, which is not really related at all.

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Well, that I support them.

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Um, so he here, here's Alex, uh, covering that story.

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And it's in the same segment where he goes from talking about Ahmaud Arbery to talking

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about this story as almost sort of a way to be like, look, black people beat white people

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all the time.

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Right.

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Let's show them the next beating up a woman, punch her in the throat, but it's okay cause

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they're white and Twitter's like, damn right.

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Kill that cracker.

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And it's weird white people saying it, nothing like beating an Alzheimer's patient because

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they can't defend themselves.

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So remember when you're warehousing your parents, folks, while you're off having fun, you're

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going to be there to what that's right.

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Beat that white cracker hoe.

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What is happening?

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And he goes on on his YouTube videos, explain that whites are the devil.

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So I don't, I don't know what Alex is trying to prove here, although that is a facetious

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statement.

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I know exactly what he's trying to do.

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Yeah.

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This story is about a 20 year old man with a history of unspecified mental illness who

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was a patient at the Westwood nursing center.

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It's awful.

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And I'm not making excuses for this kind of thing.

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It's never okay for someone to assault another person, but in this case it does appear that

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there are some side issues that are relevant to consider.

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The first is the history of mental illness that was the reason this man was in the hospital

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to begin with.

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The second is how much of that history was the staff of the hospital aware of and were

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they negligent to their monitoring or their care for him as a patient.

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Also in the video, the man is clearly saying that this guy he's attacking was in his bed.

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So it's unclear if it's appropriate to ascribe a racial motivation for this beating.

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It very well may be the case that this guy wasn't in his bed and he was just mad at white

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people.

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That's possible.

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I'm not sure, I guess, but here's the thing.

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That guy who is hitting is still alive and the attacker is facing charges for the beating.

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There are tons of stories in the media you can find about this case.

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So earlier Alex was saying that this, the whole thing like, no one's talking about this

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because it's a black guy beating up a white guy.

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That's a complete lie.

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Alex is covering the story the way he is because he feels that this is his trump card for people

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saying that the Ahmaud Arbery killing was racially motivated violence.

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I find that offensive.

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Whatever the case is with this 20 year old guy, even if he did beat up this guy because

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he was white, that has literally nothing to do with the fact of the Arbery situation.

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Also, you could just hear in Alex's voice how much more passionate he is about a story

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like this.

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Oh, yeah.

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Where he gets to rile up his audience on ideas of white persecution and fear.

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It's where he feels the most comfortable, which is really fucked up.

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Beat that white hoe.

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You can hear the, I don't know what it is, there's an enjoyment.

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He's very much amplifying the brutality one because he likes the brutality.

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That's just kind of brutality sells.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And two, because he is making sure that you think, look, look at how brutal this black

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person is.

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Look at how violent they are now in the Ahmaud Arbery case.

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Well, hey, they were protecting themselves and their neighborhood and their community.

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He got killed.

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He got killed.

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They didn't.

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They didn't kill him.

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He got killed.

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And it's a shame.

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It's a shame.

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I wish that it didn't happen.

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But also he was in a park in 2017.

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Now look at this story.

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He's beating this old lady, white cracker, oh, beat her, beat her, beat her.

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Like, come on, man.

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I think it's pretty clear.

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It's very obvious what's going on.

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Yeah.

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So at this point, we get into the second hour of the show and Alex interviews that preacher

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ripped up the cease and desist order.

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Sure.

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It is a...

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Hero.

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Who cares?

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Saint Peter.

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I don't care about that interview.

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Call him Saint Peter.

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So after that, Alex gets weird, man.

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Sure.

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I don't know if this is the effect of this guy praying on air and Alex getting real spiritual,

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but he says some things that I think are fucked up.

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Let me tell you, folks.

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I told you they were gonna blow up the World Trade Center and blame it on bin Laden.

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God gave me a vision.

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Oh, no.

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And that's the little added ingredient of M4s everybody knows about.

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It's not just that I know how to politically analyze all this stuff.

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I can get on my knees and go to that place.

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And then the problem is you're just in God's presence.

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You don't care that now you can actually see everything going on in the universe.

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Plugging directly into the source.

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Hey, this is Wolf Blitzer.

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Welcome to the Situation Room.

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God has given me precognition.

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All right.

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Okay.

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So how is...

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Top story today.

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I can see the future.

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Wolf, quick question.

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How is this electoral college thing gonna work out?

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Let me tell you.

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Can we get rid of all your holograms and such since you have the prophetic vision?

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Let me get down on my knees and enter the zone.

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Wolf, tell me sight be on sight.

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Yeah.

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So this isn't good.

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This is a guy claiming he has superpowers that God has given him.

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Hey, listen.

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I think in any sort of just neutral context, you hear that and you're like, you're not

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doing well.

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Right.

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Do you need...

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Well, you know, everybody wants a little added something to their entertainment.

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Everybody gets a little flavor.

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Hey, let me tell you what's different about Infowars from all these other dumb, dumb news

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shows.

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First of all, I really know politics, although I don't really understand the constitution

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or the things I yell about all the time.

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I have no idea what civics are, but I'm a psychic.

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Honestly, not just for news.

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That wouldn't be okay on like a reality TV show.

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That wouldn't even be okay for the worst behaving people on the planet.

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We'd still be like, no, you got to get out of here, man.

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I don't think I've heard anybody on like The Amazing Race say anything like that or Survivor.

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Hey, don't worry about this.

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I know you're angry right now.

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I can see the next clue.

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We're skipping this shit.

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God has given me the answers to the tribal councils in the future.

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I can predict voting.

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You know who's too hot to handle?

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God.

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Yeah.

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So that's not the only superpower, Alex, as it turns out.

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We've heard him talk about precognition in the past.

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Of course.

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I just, I think it is a little weird of him to be like, God has granted me that.

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That's weird.

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Um, but he has another power.

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I couldn't take the amount of this when I was like a little kid, not a connection to

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God.

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I would just weep.

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It was so intense.

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Now I can, I can just take it a little more.

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But then God goes, oh, you can take that here.

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Take this.

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You're not ready to really see what this looks like.

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And I can now literally stare into the minds of the enemy, but, and they know I can't.

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That's why they hate me so much.

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But I'm like, God, please don't let me do it.

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Please don't let me stare.

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You're going to, you're going to do it.

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You're going to look right into them and you're going to, you're going to explain it to people.

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So there's all the fakes in the universe, folks.

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You're not fake.

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I'm not fake.

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So I have now decided that if I ever do write a book about Alex Jones, Alex Jones, reluctant

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telepath title, God is forcing me into telepathy and reading the minds of my enemies.

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I just wish he was like a 15th century monk who could just flagellate with a cat of nine

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tails.

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That would be so much easier.

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That's what he wants to do.

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He's forcing himself to experience some sort of suffering.

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He's interpreting it that way.

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I don't know if that's accurate, but I just wish I couldn't see what the enemy was doing.

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So now he's psychic and he can read minds.

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So he's my favorite X-Mile.

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He's basically Professor X, right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, that's basically the most powerful telepath in the world.

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Where's Cerebro?

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But this, this is where it all gets really funny because he says this immediately after.

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When you look at people like Hillary Clinton or Lord Rothschild or the Rockefellers, or

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any of these people, they have sold their souls.

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They have turned themselves over and they're no longer human.

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They have given up their humanity and connected into something that's dead and gone.

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And that's all they can do is run around and convince themselves that they're special and

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they're powerful.

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They run around and convince themselves they're special and powerful.

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You just said that you're psychic and telepathic.

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Wee!

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Wee!

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Ah!

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Bill Gates, how are you doing today?

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I'm doing wonderful, Mr. Rothschild.

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Wee!

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Let us cavort through the fields of joy.

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And there's Alex sitting over here.

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He's like, ooh.

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I can see you.

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I can see.

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I can read your mind.

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I can read your soul-fucking-mind.

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I'm going to get on the radio and tell people I have, I have noon powers.

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Quit running around!

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Quit it!

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Stupid.

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So Alex does use his psychic powers on this episode, and he does give us a glimpse down

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the road into the future.

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I knew Trump was going to win when I first met him in 2015.

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The spiritual imprint, the thousands of data points was just very clear that nothing is

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standing in its way because that's how the universe works, answering prayers.

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But then once the real battle began, we had to then carry it the rest of the way.

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God doesn't win the whole game for you.

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God will initiate things and end things.

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What?

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But in my experience, in between God initiating and God ending things, it's up to you.

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God gives it to you.

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And so I'll say this now, it's taken me weeks to say this, President Trump is going to lose

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the 2020 election right now.

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Now, there's a chance to change the course, but right now he's going to lose for sure.

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That Carville monster is up there saying that fat ass is going to go to the rest of it.

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That's the place they got the election from, they're blocking everything, they've got targeted

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tens of millions of brain washers to go knock on doors under PR company names violating

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campaign finance law.

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Trump let the globalists censor everything.

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And unless Trump can get the Justice Department, if there's good people there to indict some

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major globalists on the offense and rolls up some of their main opposition right now

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who are engaged in political crimes with the Chinese government.

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Unless Trump does what he's supposed to and scares this outside globalist force to make

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them turn and run.

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Trump's going to lose.

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Let me translate that Trump's going to lose unless he consolidates power prior to the

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election.

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That's basically what Alex is saying.

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Unless he strong arms his way into winning the next election, he's probably going to

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lose even against Biden.

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Point number one, if Trump loses, it's because everybody else cheated and the election results

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are illegitimate.

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Canvassing is brain washers going door to door, mail in ballots is cheating.

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Of course.

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Point number two, if Trump starts, let's say, jailing his political opponents, you know

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that's not because he's consolidating power, although he is consolidating power, but it's

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mainly because he's getting rid of evil people.

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That's the only way he can defeat the globalists.

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In order to stop authoritarianism, we must act the authoritarian.

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It's the only way.

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This is a good plan.

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It's always worked.

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Love it.

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It's never happened before.

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I'm sure this is the first time anybody's tried it.

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Isn't Alex a prequels guy?

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He really loves Emperor Palpatine.

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So in this next clip, Alex plays a clip of Trump talking about how he's going to override

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the governors if they don't open up churches.

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I'm going to do some unconstitutional shit.

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Alex seems to have an interesting take on it.

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Love it.

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The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places

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of faith to open right now for this weekend.

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If they don't do it, I will override the governors in America.

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We need more prayer, not less.

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Thank you very much.

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Oh, my God.

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This is you see, the rebellion is on, ladies and gentlemen.

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The rebellion is you should be really against that.

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The rebellion is what are we doing?

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So what are we fucking doing?

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Yeah.

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I am going to take extreme ultimate executive power into my hands, just like the Constitution

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says I should.

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Because I disagree with things that states are doing.

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Congress shall make no law over.

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Right.

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So in this next clip, this is a long clip.

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I'm going to warn you about that in advance.

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And it's because I wanted everyone to have a taste of what this episode was like.

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And I thought that this was the most entertaining and also vapid stretch.

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Alex plays some techno music and rants about the devil.

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Love it.

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And this is nothing.

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This is just this is a fucking asshole killing time.

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Free will must be tested.

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Free will become Kim Jong Un.

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We don't want to be Kim Jong Un.

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No Kim Jong Un.

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And it's that nexus point between free will and God's consciousness that God could make

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perfect robots all day long that carried out whatever task God wanted.

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Nexus robots.

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If they pass the test, one day we'll stand on the same horizon with the creator of all

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time.

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That's not done by supercomputers.

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That's not done by mad scientists.

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That's not done by Larry Page or Sergey Brin.

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That is orchestrated by the creator of the universe.

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Not not Gates is where we are now.

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This planet is going to burn.

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The seeds are going to boil.

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It's toasty.

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It's going to crash.

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Billions are going to die.

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Oh, you want the A.I.

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You said it was long.

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You said it was long.

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Do you really think that's how this dream goes?

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No.

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You are cut off from God so you imagine a Godhead, you imagine an A.I. system that surveils

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all humanity.

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You imagine omnipresence because you and your ancestors refused omnipresence.

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You refused to interface with a Godhead.

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You rejected God and so you failed.

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You could have risen from the very beginning but instead you chose to climb down a hole

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with that devil and in that nest you believed that you would create Valhalla as if it didn't

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already exist.

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What?

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What are we doing?

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If it wasn't already Valhalla's real in this giant universe, believe you were God.

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Believe you were king, believe you were the author of the universe when all you were was

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the potential for consciousness to absorb and gauge the mind of God.

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I am so high.

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Sure.

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That you would have found transcendence but you rejected the very force that created you.

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Naturally.

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Because of that, that's why they call you the fallen because without the wind a kite

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can't fly.

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Uh oh.

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Oh man.

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Music's gone.

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That would have been a great drop down.

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There is no humanity and you believe you can cut off the universe and say that you are

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a God.

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You are no such thing.

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The next guest had an amazing discussion with the gelatin goblin that Alan Dershowitz has

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his.

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Okay.

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That reminds me.

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That's the whole break.

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Have you ever heard that God speed you Black Emperor song?

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They've got this overlay of an interview with the sovereign citizen guy and he's just going

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over and he's like, and I got this ticket and I went to the court and I went to the

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judge and I said, listen, I'm not going to take your shit.

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And all the while playing underneath it is just some swelling God speed you Black Emperor

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music and God, it would be so much better if it was Alex.

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It'd be so much better possibly, but like that was uninspired as hell.

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So insane.

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That was a very bland Alex rant, but like why, why are you doing that other than you

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enjoy talking over music?

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Like that's the only thing that is, and I love just the like, Oh, ran out of music and

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then like 10 seconds later, the outro music, he's like, all right, we're going to be back

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and we're talking to somebody who talked to David Horowitz, Alan Dershowitz, I believe.

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Excuse me.

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Oh, the Dersch.

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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So stupid.

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That's that's pretty great.

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Yeah.

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But I wanted, I feel like that clip was probably a little bit painful and I'm sorry to subject

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the listeners to that, but I wanted you to feel it because this episode is a lot of that

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in this that's like, and honestly like, so I wasn't even going to cut that clip at all.

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I was just listening to it like the, the, his rant slowly losing your mind about a minute

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in.

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I was like, wow, he's still going.

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How about that?

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Another minute later, I'm like, this is not going anywhere.

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This is really treading water here.

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Third minute in I'm falling asleep.

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You don't realize I got to cut all of this.

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I got to, I got to show, I got to tell the people, it turns out I am a psychic too because

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I knew that was going down.

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That was too long.

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It was too long.

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Yeah.

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Um, so in this next clip, Alex comes back and he talks about how he knew what Trump

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was going to say at the inauguration.

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Sure.

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Right.

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Um, and he gets into how a little bit later and it's troubling.

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I was there on January 20th, 2017 when president Trump was inaugurated president and I twit

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drunk Trump will invoke the secret technologies that are suppressed.

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Trump will invoke Americanism, not globalism.

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Trump will invoke humanity and truly our March of the stars.

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And after the speech Trump gave the major New York times, Ryder comes up and he goes,

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and he was one of their people.

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He was like, she was just like, how did you know that?

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Are you talking to him today?

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This is totally a true story.

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He knew what he'd say.

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And he knew, he knew it was true.

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He goes, he was just his hate being cut off from God was so in teams, sounds like a very

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true story because they want to build that without God and they don't have it.

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The real internet.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, that, yeah, I don't, I don't believe that story.

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That's a true story.

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You know how the New York times reporters growl at Alex.

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They can't stop themselves.

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And anytime they get too close to his presence and they begin to growl, he's overflowing

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with God.

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Um, Oh boy.

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Don't believe that.

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I wonder if they just called him for a comment, would they still growl at him or the distance

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doesn't matter.

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Also, um, how does that come with those miracle cures and those, uh, those technologies that

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were going to be revealed?

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I wasn't even going to point that out.

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Right.

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There's just no point.

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Right.

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So, uh, Alex complains, uh, this next clip about, uh, the UN is in control of everything.

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And then he says, it's a hydroxychloroquine is good.

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We're under UN control.

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You turn CNN on, they tell you the UN runs things.

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The UN says hydroxychloroquine doesn't know the UN says zinc socks.

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The UN says you don't need vitamin C, oxygen or water.

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They don't say that, but also bad news for Alex on the hydroxychloroquine front.

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How's it going?

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So on the very day he's doing this episode, May 22nd, Lancet published a paper that looked

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at the fatality rates across six continents of people who were taking hydroxychloroquine

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for COVID-19.

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Right.

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According to a Guardian article about this paper, quote, the death rate among all groups

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taking the drugs was higher than among people who were not given them.

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That's because it's too good a cure.

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One in six of those taking one of the drugs died while one in five died if they were taking

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chloroquine with an antibiotic and one in four if they were on hydroxychloroquine and

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an antibiotic.

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The death rate among patients not taking the drugs was one in 11.

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This wasn't a formal study, so there aren't variable controls in place.

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So the differences in death rates may not be as big as those numbers suggest, but quote,

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the US authors of the studies say allowing for these differences, there was still higher

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mortality among those taking the drugs.

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More and more evidence is mounting that this is not a good drug to be boosting for COVID

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treatment.

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And yet Alex is still on that hill.

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He's so desperate to defend the stupid things Trump says that he's willing to support an

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unproven treatment that could kill people rather than just say, hey, look, Trump is

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off base on this one.

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I don't know what he's doing.

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It's really sad.

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Yeah, sad.

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He's like for someone who's like, you know, I'm a free thinker.

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I'm outside the box.

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All you sheeple, all you people, the followers, I will do literally anything definition of

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a follower.

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It's very sad.

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Very sad.

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You know, like remember all the drugs that are developed over time with impolite scientists

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and they aren't just like a politician comes out and says, take them.

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Those are all the good drugs.

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Oh, those are all the good ones.

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It's an interesting axiom.

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Yeah.

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It's.

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But when the politician comes out and says, just take this.

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Not good.

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It's bad.

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I'm going to go.

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I'm just going to say that right now.

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I didn't learn that.

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I didn't learn that in the civics class that I know.

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But the first words of the constitution are Congress shall make no law restricting the

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president from pushing some bullshit on people.

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Alex does say that the president has free speech.

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There you go.

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Cool.

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So in this next clip, Jordan, I know you're probably wondering, how did Alex know what

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Trump was going to say at the inauguration?

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Was not wondering.

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You weren't?

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No.

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So you call Trump up over a telephone and you see Trump is the oracle.

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Somebody slapped him since our dreams, our hopes, what we want, he is picking it up.

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That's why you've got to pray for Trump and then pray for how you want God to influence

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Trump because Trump's in the middle.

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We're here.

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What's up here?

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You can reverse it.

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We're here.

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Trump's here.

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God's there.

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And Trump knows that.

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He knows that what knows that.

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You don't even know that.

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Trump loves God.

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Now.

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Oh, boy.

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Oh, boy.

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What?

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I'm so scared.

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OK, now here's the big issue.

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Yeah.

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If he can talk to Trump without the use of a phone.

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He's definitely implying telepathic communication.

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He is a national security risk.

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No doubt.

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He is.

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He's got all of the secrets.

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He could just tell a path in there and all the time.

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No.

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Other countries need to be kidnapping Alex Jones and raiding his mind for all of Trump's

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secrets.

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No, because Trump doesn't have secrets.

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His mind is just like a couple of dolphins juggling ice cream cones or something.

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You know, Alex tries to read his mind to find the nuclear codes and he's like, what the

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fuck is this?

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What is this?

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A Betty Boop cartoon?

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What is going on?

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That's what's happening when Alex gets telepathic with Trump.

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Mickey Mouse starts whistling in the corner.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, Alex is definitely implying that there's a telepathic connection with him and

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Trump, which is upsetting.

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Very strongly.

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Very strongly.

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Very upsetting.

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Yeah.

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And then the other thing that's super upsetting there is that he's definitely saying that

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God is here, we're here, and Trump is in the middle.

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Right.

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And that seems to be...

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Where Jesus is?

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Well, I mean, that's one thing to consider.

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But another thing to consider is this is basically like king shit.

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You know, this is what you say about someone who's divinely ordained to be your ruler.

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They're a conduit through which God speaks.

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And you know what?

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I mean, that's exactly what the early, early church was.

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The priest was the only one who could speak to God and he would convey the messages from

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the Holy of Holies.

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Well, hell, it was only two Japanese emperors ago and they were the conduit for God, so

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yeah.

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Sure.

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It's definitely not like a democratic, republic view of the ruler.

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It is hard to...

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It's tough to square that with anything that our country's based on.

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It's hard to justify a peaceful transition of power away from God's chosen president.

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Well, it would have to imply that it's either.

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Does God choose a new one?

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Well, I mean, there's two possibilities.

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Either he has lost the will of God now and whoever wins gets it, or the mandate of heaven

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is so flimsy that it can be undone by human machinations.

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God doesn't really have much of a swing on this one, apparently.

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He can be knocked out every four years.

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But I mean, if Alex is there, I mean, what are we doing?

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This guy is a zealot.

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So far beyond the realm of acceptable beliefs.

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Yeah, no.

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This is fainting.

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Yeah.

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He should be ashamed.

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Yeah.

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So Alex plays that clip, I believe this is where he does this again, he plays the clip

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of Trump talking about opening up the churches, and man, this is a funny...

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Alex's interpretation of this is real funny.

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The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important, essential places

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of faith to open right now.

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Here's the key.

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For this weekend.

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If they don't.

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If they don't do it, I will override the governors.

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In America, we need more prayer, not less.

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And pause.

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Thank you.

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Did you just hear that?

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He's never said override governors.

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Back that up 20 seconds.

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He just, the only way the federal government can override is if it is the first or second

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amendment or fourth or fifth and a few others.

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What?

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He's getting really good at it.

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What are you fucking talking about?

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What about the third?

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What are you fucking talking about?

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The government, the only, the first or a few amendments?

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Only a few amendments allow the government to do.

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Yeah.

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What are we doing?

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I don't know, man.

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What are we fucking doing?

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Alex is making shit up.

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Jesus Christ.

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He's making stuff up in order to try and make it appear like this isn't a contradiction

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of his like really extreme 10th amendment shit from back in the earlier days when Obama

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was president.

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Yeah.

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That's all that's going on here.

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I mean, it's just a shitty, shoddy rationalization of a complete flip flop on his part in order

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to serve at the boots of Trump.

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I remember shame.

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Remember shame?

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Shame was good.

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Shame, I liked shame when people experienced shame for saying shit like that and they were

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like, whoa, I feel physically bad after saying something that completely compromised everything

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I've ever espoused in my entire life.

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I feel bad about that.

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Apparently, we are not there anymore and you can just say that shit and feel free and rollick

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like your Lord Rothschild's do.

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Yeah, man.

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It's bad.

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I mean, we've covered a large part of that like 2009 period on the show where he was

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like...

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Yeah, exactly.

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He was having state legislators on regularly who were pushing 10th amendment resolutions.

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He was talking about a constitutional convention.

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That kind of thing.

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It's ridiculous.

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You look at this picture of this broken down loser that he is in 2020.

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It's just like, God damn, man.

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You would hate yourself.

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There's no other way to put it.

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A decade ago, you would be your own worst enemy.

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You would be the person... Glenn Beck would be second to your future self.

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To you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's very sad.

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I can't imagine it would be difficult to put together a debate between new Alex and old

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Alex and just have them argue with each other all day.

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I hate that you said that because now I'm thinking about...

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Don't do it.

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Don't.

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No.

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No.

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That is for an enterprising documenteer.

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Yeah, I don't have the time.

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Although, I bet it will go viral.

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See, this is why we are bad.

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This is why we're really bad at what we do.

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Yeah, we're bad at strategies.

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We focus on putting out three 12-hour episodes per week instead of making one thing that

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will go viral.

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Oh, shit.

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That's an issue for us.

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Fuck.

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That is a problem.

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So, on our last episode on Friday, we had a weird clip where Alex said that he prayed

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with somebody, and then he was like, I can't get into it, I can't get into it.

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This comes up again.

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I prayed with a very prominent person, several... well...

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The devil?

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And I told you this.

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First time Trump like four years ago was telling me how much he loved Jesus and how much he

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loved God.

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I thought he was patronizing.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Come on, man.

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He wasn't patronizing.

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Come on.

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Come on, guys.

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We all know the score.

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And just like they could find it, Melania only come back for the next guest.

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What?

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When they were threatening Trump, threatening to kill him and everything, and she goes out

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to say the Lord's Prayer, I was like, I don't know if she was going to do that because there

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are no atheists in foxholes, ladies and gentlemen, that doesn't exist.

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I think that's just a saying.

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Yeah, there are a lot.

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Yeah.

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So, I still think it's Roger.

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I think that's Roger Stone.

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It has to be Roger.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why he's playing it so close to the vest.

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I don't know.

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Probably because they also committed a crime during that prayer.

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Maybe.

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Hey, is that like attorney-client privilege stuff?

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Hey, you can't get me, you can't get me for a crime.

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I was praying.

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I was praying at the time.

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Congress shall make no law restricting my prayer for crimes.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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We planned a crime, but I hadn't said amen.

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So, it's unadmissible.

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First Amendment grounds.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Because Alex has talked bluntly about praying with Roger and bringing Roger to God in the

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past.

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So, it doesn't seem like he would be playing this game where on multiple episodes, he's

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like, I can't say who it was.

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If it was Roger, but.

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Maybe he's just not supposed to, maybe that's some unwritten part.

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I think he probably forgot that.

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He's not allowed to talk about Roger anymore.

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No, I bet that he forgot that he said that about Roger.

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Oh, that's possible.

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He thinks he hasn't brought it up on air.

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That's possible.

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That's what I bet it is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, we know that Alex is really bad with Thomas Jefferson quotes.

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But how does he do with quotes from-

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Or is he really good with them?

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No, he's not.

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He's very bad with them.

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All right.

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So, he quotes from outside of the United States.

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Well, if it's a non-white person, I bet he's going to attribute it to a white person.

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There's no choice in this, ladies and gentlemen.

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You choose God or you choose eternal death.

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You think you're on this planet and have this consciousness, this is some kind of damn game.

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You think it's about watching TV and no, man, this is about your soul.

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You're a sentient creature.

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You have like Mahatma Gandhi said, who was a Hindu, but I understood his perspective

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is it's totally true.

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What are you-

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Each soul is a seed of the universe, has the potentiality of a new universe.

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That is absolutely true.

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You think about that and then you start playing games.

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Very weird.

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Okay.

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I don't think that's a real Gandhi quote.

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I tried to find it.

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I can't find it anywhere.

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I have no idea.

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I don't know any Gandhi quote that's, our souls are the seeds of the universe.

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Doesn't sound like what he was talking about.

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So no, I looked for that.

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I couldn't find anything.

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I don't know if it's a real quote, but if it is, I can't find it.

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I know Alex's batting average is so bad that I can't imagine it's real and I just can't

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find it, but I'm also not going to spend like five hours trying to track down some quote.

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I like swinging and just throwing it at Gandhi's feet.

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That sounds great.

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Everybody knows, sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name.

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Gandhi.

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Boom.

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That one is real.

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That one's real.

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I found that one.

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So Alex ends his run here with an interview with a guy named Jason Goodman, who runs his

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own YouTube show about nonsense.

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And maybe we'll talk about him at some point in the future.

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Aren't we at war with YouTube?

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What?

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I mean, isn't Alex and Joe Rogan and everybody at war with YouTube?

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Why are they talking to YouTube people?

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You know what I'm saying?

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Well, because they have audiences.

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Oh, that's probably a good reason.

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Yeah.

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And so anyway, he's the guy who interviewed Dershowitz in that interview that Alex got

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super pissed off about and started screaming about how he's a fucking piece of shit.

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So they end up talking a bit about Dershowitz's answers about Epstein and stuff like that

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and how he didn't have anything to do with it according to him.

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Of course not.

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Oh, yeah.

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Right.

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I'm sure.

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I don't care about Alex interviewing a guy who interviewed a guy.

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I don't care.

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I don't care.

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If I cared, I'd go watch Goodman's interview.

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That would make sense.

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And we would just go from there.

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That would make more sense.

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This secondhand nonsense is no good for me.

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But there's a couple of things, maybe just one thing that stuck out to me that I thought

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was interesting.

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They're not allowed to bypass animal trials under federal law.

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How is this happening?

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How is Moderna, meaning the mother in Spanish, and these other three companies, what are

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we doing?

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Doing human testing in the United States right now.

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So Moderna means modern in Spanish.

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Madre.

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Means mother.

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Yes.

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Moderna means mother.

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No.

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No.

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Madre.

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Moderna.

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It's not the law about animal trials.

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It's just normal operating procedure for vaccine development to use animal trials, but it's

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not the law.

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Yeah.

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From an article in Stat News, quote, regulators require that manufacturers show a product

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is safe before it goes into people, and while it isn't enshrined in law, researchers almost

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always check that a new concoction is effective in lab animals before putting human volunteers

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at potential risk.

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Alex is just making up that there's a law, but it's definitely uncommon.

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These are uncommon circumstances we're in right now, and I'm not going to sit here and

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deny that there are potential dangers that could come from skipping any kind of step

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in normal processes.

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For sure.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm certainly not in a position where I have enough awareness to understand what kind of

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calculus people are making, like what could we learn from the animal trials that we might

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not be.

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They ain't got to add in how cruel our animal trials, period.

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What should we be doing to factor those out as a whole, possibly?

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I don't know enough, but I know that from reading a number of articles on this, there's

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no law.

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Alex is making that up, and people who have familiarity with the topic understand, or

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at least they're expressing, that if you go the normal route, it'll be 10 years before

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there's a vaccine on this.

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You don't want to wait 10 years, do you?

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I don't know.

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I certainly don't, but also, I don't know what the risks are.

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If there is a situation where skipping those steps ends up putting us in a position where

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something really unexpected and negative happens, and I think it is better to take your time

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to do things right, but at the same time, I'm not sitting here thinking whatever vaccine

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they do end up developing is going to be intrinsically dangerous or anything.

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I trust that people who this is their lives, they understand those concerns that I might

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think of in my head.

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Generally, when I try and look for perspective on those things, all of the questions that

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I have are pretty well discussed.

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Yeah.

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It seems like... Now, I'm just spit balling here.

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You and I probably aren't the guys to make that kind of call, because we don't really

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know enough about it.

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It's not our area of expertise.

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You would say that that would be true for many people, so what we should do is allow

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people for whom that area is their expertise to make those decisions.

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That makes sense, right?

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Sure.

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We don't agree that that's a good idea, so why can't we agree that that's a good idea?

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Because some people are angry, so we have one last clip here, and it's... I don't know.

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I was going to say it's a rare glimpse into Alex being a bad boss, but that's not true.

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That's not true.

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We see a fair amount of that.

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He's a bad boss on the daily.

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But this one is particularly awful, because the way in which he's being a bad boss is

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actually kind of... It kind of undercuts some of his beliefs and love for this country.

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I'm with Troyer's coming up.

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I'll be back this Sunday, by the way, 4 to 6 p.m. Central.

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I'm doing that Sunday show live.

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The crew's trying to talk me how to do a Memorial Day live, so they get a day off, but we'll

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see what happens with that.

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Yeah, we will.

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I bet you're going to be there on Memorial Day and making your staff work.

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Oh, man.

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I love this country so much.

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You think you're going to get a day off just for what?

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Memorial Day?

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I don't even know what this day is about.

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Let's memorialize this day on my broadcast, or I'm going to yell at weirdos.

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Ugh.

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Yeah.

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Oh, boy.

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So I don't know, man.

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This episode as a whole really wasn't that great.

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But the fact that he did the... Rogan, first of all, had a left-wing dude on his show and

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explicitly said that Alex was lying.

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That necessitated keeping us in the Alex fray.

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I mean, hey, we just learned that Alex is a telepath and a psychic and that he believes

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that he's telepathically connecting with Trump.

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If we got to sit through a three-minute rant about the devil to get there, I think it's

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worth it, because it adds so much to our world now.

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What do you think his favorite X-File is?

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Do you think he's an X-Files The Last Stand guy or a Logan guy, or what kind of X-File

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are we dealing with for him?

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Do you think he goes for the X-File Days of Future Past?

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Do you think he's that kind of... I think his favorite X-File is Captain America.

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There's a lot of guns in that, right?

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That's true.

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There are a lot of guns in that.

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Yeah.

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That's my sense of it.

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That's a gun one.

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Yeah.

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So we'll be back, Jordan.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're on Twitter, too.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at GoToVetJordan and at Underscore Knowledge Underscore Fight.

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Yep.

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We are on Facebook.

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We do a Dallas show.

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Go to iTunes.

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And if you would like, please find a local charity in your area and donate to it.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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I am the Juiciest Ice Cube.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.