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Saying, WE are the bad guys

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Stop it.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Shamses, you're on the air.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a huge fan.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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take novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question.

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What?

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What's your bright spot today?

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Why don't you go first?

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I gotta think for a minute.

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My bright spot.

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Because otherwise it's just a food thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, my bright spot is card games.

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My partner and I, we run out of playing our board games.

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Very, very boring.

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So now it's gone on to cards.

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So now it's gone on to cards.

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We're playing spades.

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We're playing heads up poker.

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We played a little heads up poker.

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That's very boring.

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It is more fun whenever you take crazy insane risks

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and have no interest in money.

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Sure, and it's more fun when there's more than two people

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when you're playing a poker game.

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Yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Back when me and Nikki Gifts used to live together,

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we had a running tally board of like heads up poker games.

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Because we were like, okay, we'll see whoever comes out

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ahead and that person has to pay.

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Right.

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It was just so boring.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was fun because we would just yell at each other and stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's hard to play card games between two people sometimes.

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It can be, it can be.

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But, you know, you remove a lot of the things

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and you shorten up the game.

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You know, like you play spades

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and you get rid of everything below a 10

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and you got a fast paced game for two people.

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I'm telling you, it's great.

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Have you gotten to the point where you guys

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are throwing cards into a hat?

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Not yet, but close, real close.

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We'll check in next week.

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I hope I get good at it.

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So I guess for me, my bright spot would be,

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I guess I'm just gonna go with the food one.

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So I tried these cookies called crispy crepes.

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Okay.

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And they're like rolled up little mini crepes.

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Oh yeah, I've seen those.

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Yeah.

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Are they good?

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So good.

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So good.

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Maybe my favorite thing ever.

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Maybe your favorite thing ever.

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Yes, they're very good.

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They're very tasty, not too, they're small.

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So, you know, you don't end up eating too many of them

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unless you can't stop and you just eat a whole box of them.

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Which is something I do.

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Yeah, it's possible to do that.

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But if you can restrain yourself,

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it's a really good like little cookie thing

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that's not too unhealthy.

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And yeah, I think they're fantastic.

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Nice, I like it.

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And even if they weren't small and like reasonably

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acceptable if you're trying to eat healthier,

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they're still fantastic.

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They're really good.

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Oh, good.

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Oh, okay, great.

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I'm glad you offered me one.

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After the show, after the show.

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I've got one with your name on it.

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I wish that I had one that wasn't food based,

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but oh well, that's where we're at.

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Man, that's where we're at.

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Yeah, so Jordan, today we got an interesting episode

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to go over, but before we do that,

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we gotta take a moment to say thank you

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to some folks who have signed up

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and are supporting the show

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and check in with the Year of the Seltzer.

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So first, Mic.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks Mic.

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Thank you Mic.

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Next, Ryan.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you Ryan.

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Thank you Ryan.

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Next, Red Alert Wheatzy.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Red Alert Wheatzy.

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Thank you.

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Next, Benjamin.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks Benjamin.

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Thanks Benjamin.

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John, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, John.

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That's John without an H, by the way.

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John without an H, okay, all right.

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Next, Melinda, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Melinda.

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Thank you, Melinda.

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Next, Zachary, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Zachary.

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Is that Zach with an H or without?

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With.

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Ooh.

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And a Y. Dangerous.

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Not an IE.

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Is that ever an IE?

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I'm not sure.

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I don't think so.

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I don't know.

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Eh.

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And finally, I'd like to say thank you

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to all the people who donated on elevated level.

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Thank you so much.

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To both of you.

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If you're out there listening

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and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show,

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I'd like to support what these gents do,

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you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking the button that says support the show,

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we would appreciate it, or you could go

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and take that generosity and direct it

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towards a local charity in your area

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that's helping people in need.

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That would be wonderful as well.

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We would appreciate it either very much.

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Indeed.

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So Jordan, checking in on the year of the seltzer,

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we're ending week three almost a week ahead.

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Hard to believe that we're already week three

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into this incredibly exciting new segment on our show.

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42 seltzers down at the end of week three.

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To get to 500, we're supposed to be at about 10 a week.

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Yeah.

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We are over 10 ahead at this point.

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All right.

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Doing good.

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So, since we last spoke,

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I've been trying to go through the Waterloo seltzers.

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Waterloo, would drink that if I wanted.

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Is that because you're a Rockefeller?

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Is that what's going on there?

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No, it's because I'm a member of ABBA.

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Ah, well, that'll happen.

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Little known fact, I was in ABBA.

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I want to say that Waterloo is a rangy beast

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of seltzer varieties.

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I've had a number of them.

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Is that your new cup of coffee?

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It's a rangy beast.

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It's a rangy beast.

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Watermelon variety coming in at 67 of 100.

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That's not bad.

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That's not bad.

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A lot of them are in that sort of 60s range,

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but the black cherry, whoa, Nelly.

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Not good or really good?

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So bad.

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So bad.

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Coming in at a 30.

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Really?

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A black cherry coming in?

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I like a black cherry.

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There's something wrong with it.

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It's not necessarily the flavor.

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There's something wrong with that seltzer.

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They fucked up something, and it's not good.

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It's not crisp.

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It's not refreshing.

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It's just water that they tossed a little black cherry in.

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I'd prefer that.

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There's something wrong in the other direction

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with that Waterloo black cherry,

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and I don't know what it is, and I don't appreciate it.

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Also, I tried this highball energy water situation.

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Highball energy water?

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Yes.

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No whiskey?

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This is one of the cans of the other ones.

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This is a grapefruit one, which was okay.

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There was a vanilla, and it smelled just like

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maybe a seltzer version of a cream soda.

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Interesting.

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I had real high hopes.

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Terrible idea.

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Trash.

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Yeah.

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21 out of 100.

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Ooh, 21 out of 100.

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That's bad.

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No good.

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That is bad.

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Let's throw it out the window bad.

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Yeah, so we had some highs and some lows

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in this installment of the year of the seltzer,

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but that's to be expected, and I'm glad,

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because just middle of the road stuff,

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maybe not all that exciting.

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Boring.

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I'd rather encounter a 21 than like a 53, probably.

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As somebody who's bipolar, I believe you.

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Extremes are kind of my interest.

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That's true.

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So, we will see you again next time

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on the year of the seltzer.

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Of course.

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So, Jordan, today, what we've got going is,

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I was looking over our episodes,

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and I realized that it's been like 10 episodes straight

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that we've been in the present day of Alex.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And he's been exhausting.

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If we were to do another Alex Jones episode for this one,

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it would just be able to cover Friday's episode

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of his show.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whereas, if we do Alex on Wednesday,

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we'll be able to have more content to go over,

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add a little more time for things.

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So, I figured now is as good a time as any for a break.

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Love it.

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And so, I checked in on Project Camelot.

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I wanted to see what our old friend Swery Carrie

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over there was up to, talking about aliens

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and what have you.

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Still going with vampires, I assume.

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Last we learned, the coronavirus may or may not

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have been turning Chinese people into vampires.

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They're behind steel, so you can't be sure.

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That was the working theory over there.

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And I don't know if that thread continues on this episode.

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What we have today is an interview that Carrie did,

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her most recent episode, where she was talking

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to a super soldier by the name of Anthony Zender.

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This is his third time being interviewed on the show,

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and I want to make something abundantly clear

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before we begin.

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It's Anthony Zender's game.

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That's what we're, what?

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I know Alex has some thoughts about Zender's game.

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No, one thing I want to make clear before we get going

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is that I don't want to make fun of Anthony himself.

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I don't know what he's dealing with.

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From listening to his first interview with Carrie,

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there was some discussion of him being in Iraq

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and the possibility of some PTSD type situations.

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So, I don't want to sit here and beat up on him,

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and I'm not going to.

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And I honestly probably wouldn't cover this too much

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if it weren't for the way that it's being used.

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The information that he's presenting

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and Carrie is allowing to be presented

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is stuff that deserves to be talked about.

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And I think this is just on the other line of my,

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I'm going to leave this alone,

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because it doesn't seem like he's struggling.

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I don't know what is going on in his world,

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but he doesn't seem like some of these people

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on Project Camelot that I'd be like,

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I'm not even touching this.

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I still have a lot of empathy for him,

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and I would prefer to err on the side

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of not beating up on him.

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For sure.

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But that doesn't mean that this interview itself

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is necessarily off limits.

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There's some teachable moments

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and some things to be learned through it.

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Generally speaking, if somebody with PTSD

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is saying something along those lines,

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I view it less as them and more as a complete failure

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of any kind of support structure for them

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to kind of process this stuff.

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I think that there's probably something to that.

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Yeah, so as far as that goes,

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it's a failure of the entire system

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that I am interested in, not him particularly.

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Right, and he doesn't seem to be somebody,

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at least I listen to two of these three interviews

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that he has, and it doesn't seem like he's a bigot

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or anything like an Eddie Page racist-plaited type.

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So I don't have any vested desire

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to knock him down a page or anything.

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But simultaneously, he's presenting himself now

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for the third time on Carrie's show

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as a super soldier expert on X, Y, and Z.

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Love it.

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He just tried to invade Venezuela, I believe, right?

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He might've been involved in the silver craft or whatever.

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Yeah, so we're gonna talk about this

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and we'll try and walk that line as best we can.

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So Carrie starts out the interview poorly

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because her tech isn't working,

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and so she has to call him back and try a second time.

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Okay, so we'll do this again.

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So hi, everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.

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Hi, Carrie.

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And here with Anthony Zender.

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And Anthony, go ahead and please say something

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so we know we've got your audio properly.

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Okay, yeah, I'm definitely here.

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I just noticed that it cut out,

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but that's what happens in these things.

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There's some echo there that will go

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for the first maybe 20 minutes, but it gets resolved.

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There will be a couple points

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where this is incredibly difficult to listen to.

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I didn't know, I don't think I could fix that.

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That's on her end.

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He didn't mute his speaker or something like that.

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I think it's her.

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It's her, yeah.

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Because there's no conversation of it,

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but it does fix itself.

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Gotcha, gotcha.

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I don't know whose end it was

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that was the problem with the recording,

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but there'll be that little bit of an echo.

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Well, the scalar attack was over.

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Could have been a scalar attack.

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Yeah, it was probably the scalars.

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Yeah, so this dude is a super soldier,

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and there are some interesting things to consider

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when we think about that,

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and we'll get to those along the line.

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But here is just the introduction of that.

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It's been going on since he was six.

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Okay, all right.

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It's a whole life thing.

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I like it.

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Anthony is a super soldier.

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I've interviewed him in the past,

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and it's great to see you again, Anthony,

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and have you on my show again.

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Could you give yourself a bit of a background here

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so that people that haven't seen my previous interview

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or know of you will understand who you are?

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I will, and thank you, Kerry.

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It's good to be on this show,

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and I had that plan anyway

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because definitely understanding what a super soldier is

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is part of the truth coming out of power,

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which is all coming out right now.

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And basically, in my life,

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as a child, I was abducted by the government

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at six years old,

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and that was in what is called Operation Green Star,

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and that is a CIA operation that abducts children.

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So they abduct these children

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to turn them into super soldiers.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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You gotta get them young.

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Yeah, I can find no evidence of a CIA program

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called Operation Green Star, but of course I wouldn't.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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They're abducting children.

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That's gotta stay way under wraps.

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I can't even find much evidence of it

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in conspiracy forums or anything,

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but it is the actual name that at least one government

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has used for projects a bit in the past.

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That's the Papua New Guinea,

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where the PNG Defense Forces used that operation name

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to do things like in 2019,

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when they cracked down on immigrants

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suspected of job hopping.

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The head of that operation,

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Lieutenant Colonel Nelson Rapola,

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told the New Zealand Post-Courier that, quote,

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the operation aimed to restore the state's presence,

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provide community healthcare,

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and evangelize the word of God.

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Strange.

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Ooh, I like one out of those three, I suppose,

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but I don't like them in service to the other two.

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Earlier in 2018, Operation Green Star had made news

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in the Post-Courier again,

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as they had seized 17 illegal air guns

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that were believed to have been, quote,

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smuggled across the border from Indonesia

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and used for poaching and local violence.

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No word on if those guns were taken

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for evangelical purposes, however.

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In 2013, a separate Operation Green Star

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made headlines in India

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when they confiscated illegal plastic items

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that were in violation of their Environment Protection Act.

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Wow, that's great.

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In North America, Operation Green Star was the name

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that was given to a clothes and books drive

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where people could donate to, quote,

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help those less fortunate than ourselves

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in 1967 at the University of Montreal.

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That is a perfect cover for a super soldier program, Dan.

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You'd think.

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That's where they drop babies off to, you know,

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if they don't want them, you adopt them.

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I've seen movies like that all the time.

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I can't even really find many references to Green Star

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on conspiracy or paranormal sites,

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and one of the few ones where it does come up

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is a site called True Vision of Peace,

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and the reference to Green Star is just in a bio

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that's attached to an interview they did

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with Anthony Sender.

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I began to think that this might all just spring forth

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for me, but I'm not entirely sure.

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I like him carving out his own space.

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I like him.

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Sure, why not?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, good for him.

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So apparently there was a, this program,

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it was part of a treaty that the government did

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with the breakaway civilization or something.

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Okay, okay.

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Here's a explication of that.

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Operation Green Star is a CI operation

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that was created to abduct children

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with certain genetic traits for eugenics and-

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Bioluminescence?

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The treaty with the breakaway civilization

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was letting them abduct children, you know,

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with the genetics to turn them into super soldiers,

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which is what happened to me

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when I came in because of my genetic traits

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of being extraterrestrial, hybrid.

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So if I understand this correctly,

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as it's being presented, there's our government,

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and then there's this breakaway civilization.

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Of course.

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The breakaway civilization may as well

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be called the globalists.

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That's a term that Alex used to describe his enemies

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all the time, the breakaway civilization.

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So they're the bad guys in this scenario.

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The CIA is clearly part of their operation

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since they were running Green Star,

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which means that the creation of the secret super soldiers

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was something that was being done for evil ends.

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This must mean that Anthony is an evil creation

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and that all of the super soldier exploits he's been doing

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are directed by the bad guys,

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which is an interesting wrinkle,

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if you really think about it.

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That's fair, that is fair.

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Unless there's some kind of a narrative

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about the good guys taking control

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of the secret super soldier program,

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I have to conclude that he's an instrument of the dark side.

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I don't know, Frankenstein's monster wasn't inherently evil,

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it's just the way he was created

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and the way people perceived him.

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No, but if Frankenstein's monster was created

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by an explicitly evil Dr. Frankenstein,

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who was then sending him off on missions,

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you would assume that he was an instrument

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of the evil that is Dr. Frankenstein.

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Yeah, you would probably assume that, I suppose,

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if we're gonna go that far.

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Right, so I just think that that's interesting

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because he'll talk about some of his missions later on

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and they don't seem to be in compatibility

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with the secret space program

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and the CIA breakaway civilization being the ones

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who are in charge of them.

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So that, to me, is a little bit difficult.

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It's not a hard bridge for someone to cross.

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It would be really easy to just say

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there's elements within it that are good,

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that's who I was working for, or something.

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It's all whatever.

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I find treaties that explicitly allow abduction

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to be very suspect.

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If you're gonna make a treaty,

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doesn't that suggest that everything's up above board?

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You're writing it down. It's on paper.

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Yeah, but you're not abducting people.

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It's enforceable in some way.

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You're not abducting people.

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Well, I mean, this is just an analog

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of that whole idea of Eisenhower signing a treaty

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with the aliens that the Grays could kidnap people

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for research and stuff.

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It's all just sort of the same theme there.

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So one thing that's important to recognize

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is that when he was taken by Operation Green Star,

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there were augmentations that were done to him

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at the age of six.

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So since then, he's been some sort of a super soldier.

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And at six years old, I was taken

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to deep underground military bases,

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and experiments were done on me by the government

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and extraterrestrials. Implants were put in me.

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What they call the black goo was put in me.

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And basically, I was turned into a super soldier.

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So he was turned into a super soldier.

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The black goo was put into him.

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And so from then on, he's, in theory,

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been a super soldier, right?

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Yeah, he's got the black goo.

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He talks about some of these missions happening

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in other dimensions, like he's in another body or whatever.

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Okay, that's fun.

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But this is his body.

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This is explicitly his own body when he was young.

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That's important because there's two divergent paths

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of this super soldier-dom that's going on

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that's very hard to make sense of.

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And they don't try very hard.

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So are you telling me that they,

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so do they remove the implants as the body grows,

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or do the implants grow with the body?

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I'm sure they grow with the body.

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They're probably semi-organic.

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All right, so we got the semi-organic implants.

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We got the black goo.

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Now I would like a further explication

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of where are these implants?

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Yeah, they're around.

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They're around?

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Okay, well then nevermind, we're good.

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So every good story like this requires a backstory.

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You know, you need some sort of a reason

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why your lineage is important to be chosen

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for this sort of thing.

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And here we get a little hint of that from Zender.

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As a child, you know, my grandfather

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was involved in

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secret projects.

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You know, he designed the SR-71 Blackbird engine,

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was involved in propulsion systems, lasers,

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and all the secret space program stuff,

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but he couldn't talk about it.

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So if Anthony is saying that his grandfather

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designed the SR-71 aircraft,

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then he's definitely claiming that his grandfather

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is Kelly Johnson, because that's who did that.

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This claim initially appears to be a good play,

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but upon closer examination you find that it's really dumb

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and it's actually impossible.

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The reason it looks good at first

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is that Johnson was married three times.

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So you have three possible lineages to claim.

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This offers so many more possibilities

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for making claims of parentage

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as opposed to someone who was only married once.

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But if you read up on Kelly Johnson's life,

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you'll quickly learn that this is no good.

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Johnson released his memoirs in 1985

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titled More Than My Share of It All.

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And in it, he discusses the heartache

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of being twice widowed and never having children.

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Oh, that's not good.

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Nope.

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Kelly Johnson, the designer of the SR-71,

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had no children and therefore cannot be anyone's grandfather.

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This story that Anthony is telling

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has no basis in reality,

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and if he wants to make these sort of claims credibly,

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he's gonna need some really solid evidence

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past just saying it to a woman

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who believes literally anything anyone tells her.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Maybe he had a love child.

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Maybe the government abducted his, wait.

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That's what I'm saying, is like, okay, yeah, fine.

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That's a fair, and that's why,

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that's where I was the illegitimate child of it or whatever.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Of course.

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Then do you need to prove that then?

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Or.

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Because otherwise I could just say

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that I am the illegitimate love child of anybody I want to.

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Or did he actually design the engine, Dan?

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Were you talking about Zender himself?

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No, no, no.

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Well, obviously he could have gone back in time

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through a previous super soldier program

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that we are obviously aware of.

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But what if it's all a cover up

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and Kelly Johnson didn't even design that shit

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and it's actually Zender's grandfather who did it

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but they had to get rid of him

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because his genetics were too good

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for the super soldier program.

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He has a kid, they abduct that kid.

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That kid is abducted again.

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We're too far.

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He goes back in time.

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The time travel is very heavy in this version.

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Of course it is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, sure, at that point you're just, whatever.

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You could come up with any kind of sort of DO6 machina

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explanation for how all this fits together.

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Clones!

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Sure.

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That's gotta be it.

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So he became a super soldier at 16, formally.

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And everything before that was preparation for it.

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And he has one piece of information

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that he sort of uses as evidence

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that I don't find super compelling.

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And I would have bloody noses and things like that.

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But basically I was grooming and all that stuff

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to then have me be a super soldier

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when I was 16 years old is when I first started service.

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And that was basically my whole childhood

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was grooming me to be a black ops super soldier

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involved in the secret space program.

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So he claims he had bloody noses.

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Right.

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And that's some sort of evidence.

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And in the other interview he talks about

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how that was the proof that they had just taken him

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or something.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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When in reality childhood bloody noses are super common

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for all sorts of reasons like dry climates,

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picking your nose.

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Right.

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Allergies.

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Other things.

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There's a ton of reasons that people have bloody noses.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It is not uncommon.

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So for that to be so key and so central

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as a piece of evidence that he's being taken

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to be experimented on.

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I just, I see that and I'm like, that's not good.

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It doesn't sell me on it.

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I need to know about the graduation ceremony.

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That's what would get me, if you,

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if he gave me a detailed idea of what happened

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when he was 16, like, did he walk up there?

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Did they give him a diploma?

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Did they put a hat on him?

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What happened?

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I want to know.

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He has to give back the black goo.

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Exactly.

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Could be.

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They suck it out of his mouth.

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I'm not sure.

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So Anthony is involved in disclosure.

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That's what he's supposed to be doing right now,

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which is why he's on Carrie's show.

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And he's supposed to like,

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get a lot of this information out.

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There, yeah, I've been involved in a lot of things

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and I'm basically, you know, involved with disclosure

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and bringing it out to the people.

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Pretty good band.

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Because in this time, it was obviously seen

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that there were, you know, people are gonna want answers

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about what's going on.

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And I do have knowledge to be able to provide that.

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And I've been involved in a lot of missions lately,

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you know, and in these missions,

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not only am I doing black operations,

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but I'm also involved in talking to, you know,

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like heads of executive of state

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and all these things that are going on

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because what is going on right now

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is the cabal is getting taken down.

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And that's why we're in martial law.

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So for me, that is a little bit much.

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Every time somebody says that what's going on right now

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is the cabal is getting taken down,

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I am one assuming that they are totally on board with Trump.

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There's no other way to say that the cabal

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is getting taken down.

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Well, when he says I'm talking to executives,

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he's literally talking about Trump.

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He's talking about having meetings with Trump.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So he's saying that the cabal

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is getting taken down right now.

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Yeah.

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Who?

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Whoever QAnon says is bad.

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Oh, okay, all right, okay.

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We will get to that eventually.

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He's just super into QAnon.

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Because he's saying he's doing it lately

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and he's involved in disclosure.

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So it should be fresh in his mind.

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Well.

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Who's getting taken down?

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Obviously, I mean, this next clip, he says one person.

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Okay.

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In terms of all of that, Anthony,

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do you have any specifics in terms of

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what you know about the take down,

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what you know about the arrests?

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So rather than generalities, because.

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See, look, you and Kerry are on the same page.

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We're on the same page.

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Kerry is kicking ass at this interview.

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Obviously, yes, people have heard

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there are going to be arrests.

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We've heard that certain individuals are being arrested.

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However, we don't really see evidence of that.

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So do you have any specific evidence

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or information that you can share with us in that regard?

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I do, I do, I do, because I'm involved in this.

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I'm involved in taking them down.

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And I have memories coming back of, you know,

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of being involved in making people sign things

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like Nancy Pelosi.

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I've been involved in executive meetings

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where I've been involved in the tribunals.

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I've actually been there and seen it going on.

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I've been in the courtroom,

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and I knew that the tribunals were going on.

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And this is all going on behind the scenes.

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So he has memories of making Nancy Pelosi sign something

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and being in these tribunals.

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It was just, it wasn't that long ago.

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Yeah.

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Why are you remembering?

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Every time he goes on a mission,

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do they wipe his memory or something?

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I have a working theory about this.

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And it's basically that what he's describing

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is dreams he's had.

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Right, right.

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And things that he has come to his mind

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while he's meditating.

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Sure.

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These are what he's describing as real memories

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and experiences that he's had.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And Kerry is allowing him to just say

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all of these dreams are real.

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Now, if this were a situation where it was a competent,

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non-abusive interviewer talking to this person,

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you could have a conversation about these

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really interesting dreams that he's had.

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Well, I mean, if you're,

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like, I'm hearing a lot of recovered memory

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kind of language about this field.

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That's the idea of this.

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That, like, he's,

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they wipe his memory or something along those lines

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in order to keep him from telling,

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even though his job is now disclosure or whatever.

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Right.

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So I'm confused on exactly what's going on here.

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That doesn't quite make sense, but yeah.

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There is sort of a vibe that he's,

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they try and make him not remember these missions,

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but your soul remembers.

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Sure, sure.

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The Akashic records and stuff,

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he has access through, like, his higher self

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to these memories, so when he dreams, they come back.

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Of course.

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That kind of thing is definitely in the mix.

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Yeah.

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What do you think he got Nancy Pelosi to sign?

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It's not clear.

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She's under arrest.

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Auto loan?

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No, I think it's a confession or something.

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It's, it'll come back up later, but.

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So Carrie asks about these memories,

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and this is sort of like where I'm thinking,

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like, oh, this is mostly dreams.

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When you get these memories,

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are you getting them because in sort of a sleep situation,

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in a meditation situation,

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or can it just bleed through during the day?

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How does this all come to you?

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Right.

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I'm a meditator, you know.

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I was taught that in the mystery schools.

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I can meditate for as long as I want,

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and that's part of my memory recall.

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So when I do go to sleep,

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I obviously access other levels of consciousness,

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and what they do wipe from my memory,

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I'm actually remembering.

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And what, you know, it does come in dream situations,

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but it will be more real than in real life.

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So, I mean, you can have vivid dreams,

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and there are phenomenon that happen in your dreams

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where you can have, like, pretty intricate storylines

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that go through dreams.

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Yeah, lucid dreaming, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I don't know of any reason to believe

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that you would have a dream

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of making Nancy Pelosi sign something

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and be like, I did that.

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That's why you didn't get a scholarship

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to mystery school, Dan.

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Yeah, probably.

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Because you can't open your mind to the mysteries.

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Yeah, that's probably why.

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That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

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We'll get back to that mystery school thing

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here in a minute.

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All right, I'm excited about the mystery school.

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Yeah, so, like I said, I don't wanna make fun of Anthony,

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but I do think that this is worth discussing

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for a number of reasons.

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One of them is because, in this interview,

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you see exactly the same sort of mentalities

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that Alex Jones has being presented by this guy.

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One of them being that movies and TV shows are real.

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One of the movies, actually, that's a disclosure movie

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that's out right now, is called Bloodshot.

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And that's a new movie with Vin Diesel in it.

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And the whole thing is about what a super soldier is

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and how they do memory manipulation and memory erasal

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to basically keep reusing the super soldier

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over and over and over and over again.

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And another disclosure show is The Dollhouse.

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So you have these sci-fi movies and TV

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that are actually telling us the reality

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of everything that's going on secretly.

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And you have that exact same mentality

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being so key to Alex Jones' belief

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of what the globalists' plans are.

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And when it's coming from Alex Jones,

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it has this air of like, I've researched,

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I know all this stuff, I know what they're doing.

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They tell you their plans in the movies.

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But when you hear it coming from this guy

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who's claiming to be a secret super soldier

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talking to Carrie, it kind of puts into better light

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the behavior that Alex Jones manifests.

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And for him, for Anthony,

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it's far less nefarious, I think, than with Alex.

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It's also less effective just based on an appeal

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to authority kind of situation there.

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Because Alex is in control of his whole desk,

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he's filling the room up with his bullshit

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so he can push that on you

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and you can just kind of accept it.

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But when it's a dude giving an interview

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and he's telling me that movies are real,

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like you're in the wrong seat

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to tell me that movies are real.

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It does feel that way.

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And The Dollhouse had a rough start,

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but as it got going, it was pretty good.

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It was pretty good, a rough start.

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Dushku.

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So another thing that's really similar to stuff with Alex

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is Anthony Zender says that he's in direct communication

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with the president, with Trump.

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And his sort of ideas about what's going on

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in the world right now are also very, very similar.

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I am currently having meetings with Donald Trump.

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And it doesn't have to do with the Palladian guidance

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that he is receiving right now.

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And that's executive meetings,

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but I'm also having memory recalls of missions

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that I'm involved in on this earth

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and also interdimensionally,

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because this is an interdimensional,

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temporal extraterrestrial war going on.

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That's very similar to what Alex believes.

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There's extra dimensional demons that he's at war with.

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That are behind the globalists and all this shit.

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It's very, very similar.

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Alex says that, you know, I talk to Trump all the time

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through this show.

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I talk to him and he listens.

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I mean, there's a very, very heavy overlap

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between this guy and Alex.

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Yeah, I wanna know what they mean by interdimensional.

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You just can't see it.

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It's happening around you right now or something.

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Right, but is it like alternate universe kind of stuff,

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or is it like there's a world above our world

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or a world coexisting with our world

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that we're incapable of experiencing?

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I think it means whatever you want it to mean.

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That's why I'm very frustrated with it,

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because they all use it like it's a catchall,

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and I think they all, if they were gonna draw out

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what it is they mean when they stay interdimensional,

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you'd see completely different pictures.

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And I think that's why a lot of people don't do that,

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because if you do, then you have to stand by

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that definition and that can be trouble.

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Yeah.

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So Anthony's mission largely involves

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apparently being a spy.

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He talks about this quite openly on this public show,

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so I assume the bad guys now know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That seems like trouble.

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I think he's been burned.

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Yeah.

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I think that's what I would say.

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You would think that if his role as a spy

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infiltrating evil organizations, cover, gone.

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But he talks about that here a little bit.

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But one of the missions that I recalled just recently

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was I was, because I'm always infiltrated

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into the dark side, you know what I'm saying?

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Into the dark corporations, which are,

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people don't know this, which are Monarch, Mobius,

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Umbrella, Massive Dynamics, and Ultimate.

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And these are all corporations that are interdimensional.

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And one of the missions I recall was,

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because right now what is going on is,

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the COVID virus is basically a biochemical AI weapon

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that's been employed interdimensionally.

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So, you know, I'm recalling mission

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where I'm involved in getting information

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about what's going on in these other places

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interdimensionally.

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So, I mean, Alex believes that it's a bio weapon.

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There's some similarities there.

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Now, I should tell you that Monarch is the name

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of the fictional corporation that was set up

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to try to kill Godzilla in the modern Godzilla franchise,

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including 2014's Godzilla, 2019's Godzilla,

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King of Monsters, and the upcoming Godzilla vs. Kong.

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It also factored into the 2017 King Kong

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movie Skull Island.

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It's great.

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The Mobius Corporation is the name of the evil company

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in the video game The Evil Within,

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which was a survival horror followup

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from Resident Evil creator Shinji Mikami,

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with the first one released in 2014 and a sequel in 2017.

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Umbrella, of course, is the evil company

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in the Resident Evil series.

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Massive Dynamic was the company founded

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by Leonard Nimoy's character in the Fox drama Fringe,

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which was kind of the looming specter of evil

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for the protagonists in the film.

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Yeah, I recognized all those names.

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I'm not sure where Ultimate comes from.

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Do you know?

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Because I have no doubt it's some movie or video game

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that I haven't played or seen.

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I think it's the Frisbee golf one, or the Frisbee movie, yeah.

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The point here is that Anthony is operating off

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of a very similar, but more in-depth pattern of thinking

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that we see Alex operate with.

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There's a fundamental unwillingness

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to separate reality and fiction, and the lines

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are really arbitrary.

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Like, why not include Viet Industries in there?

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What about Primatech Paper?

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Like, he's not a Heroes fan?

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Not famous enough.

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What about the Dharma Initiative?

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Lost was one of the biggest TV shows of all.

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Like, it was huge.

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Too obviously fake, Dan.

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Are those fictional companies not real,

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but these other ones are?

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I don't know.

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Who cares?

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I hate it whenever they believe that movies and shit are real,

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and then they say stuff like biochemical AI.

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If you believe movies and shit are real,

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has a biochemical AI ever worked out in the end for humans?

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It always goes wrong for us.

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Yes.

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Why would we make a biochemical AI

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if they always wind up killing us in every movie and TV?

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Well, because all the fiction is just predictive programming

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to make you think it would never work.

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Fair enough.

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I'll take that one.

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There's always ways around it.

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You got me there.

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There's always ways around it.

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You got me there.

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So I noticed a trend that whenever

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I heard Anthony talking about missions that he's been on,

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they honestly sound like pretty awesome dreams.

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And basically, when you're a spy, a lot of the times

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you're found out, your cover's blown.

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A lot of my missions, my cover's blown, and I have to escape.

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And you're a bad spy.

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And one of the most recent memories

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was I was obviously in one of these corporations that

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are linked with DARPA.

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They are linked with DARPA in this reality.

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But I was involved in being involved in a mission there,

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and I had to escape.

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And I was getting shot at, and I had to get into an elevator.

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And the elevator door closed, and there

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are all sorts of bullets rattling through the elevator

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door.

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And I had to take cover against the wall in the elevator door.

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And then they cut the cord to the elevator.

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And then I fell like 100 stories or something

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because I was in a skyscraper.

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And basically, the elevator hit, and I was still alive

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because I was obviously in a super soldier body.

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Obviously.

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And I got out of the elevator, and there

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were agents all around, people that

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were trying to take me out.

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And I started basically running up the sides of the wall

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and shooting everybody and killing them.

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And that's what a runner is capable of doing.

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I've had dreams like that.

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That sounds like an action packed kind of dream.

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Yeah, that's very exciting.

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Now, just me, if I'm one of these government operations

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directing spies into places, I wouldn't

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use the guy who's describing his own job as my cover gets

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blown a lot, and two, I'm in a recon mission,

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and then I just wind up killing everybody.

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That's not good.

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That's a bad spy.

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It's a smash and grab spy job.

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That's a bad spy.

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That's a very obvious spy.

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Right.

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That's just a murderer.

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You couldn't beat a stealth video game

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with that kind of strategy, that spamming attack strategy.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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It is counter to what the goal is, perhaps.

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I would say that you're trying not to kill people

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if you're hiring a spy.

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Well, you want the information, and you also

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don't want the person you're getting

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the information from to know you have it.

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Exactly.

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That's the leverage.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's why you employ a spy.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Also, that suggests that the corporation for sure

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knows that they're being spied on,

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and all their guys are murdered, and they're just like, well,

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we'll give you this one, man, but fool me once.

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Let's keep moving forward with the exact same plans

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that we know that they know about.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Look, guys, back to business as usual.

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My bad.

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My bad on this one.

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Let the dead bury the dead.

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Let's move forward.

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We thought the elevator thing was going to work.

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Shit.

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We thought it was going to work.

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Should have known.

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There were super soldiers that apparently we

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are involved in having created, because we're the bad guys.

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It's very complicated.

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I don't pretend to understand what the ins and outs of this

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are, but anyway, there is a reason

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that I'm doing this episode, even though if you just

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listen to that clip, it's pretty clearly

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a guy who's describing sort of dreams

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that he's interpreting as real.

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And that is something that is indicative of not a perfectly

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healthy mindset necessarily, which

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is why I'm trying to dance around this fairly delicately,

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because I don't want to beat up on this guy.

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I think that he probably is dealing with something

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and probably needs to be the target of compassion as opposed

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to ridicule.

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Some of these ideas are kind of funny,

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but only within the context of understanding

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that it's not him we're laughing at.

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No, it's like the children at the child care facility,

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that their recovered memories suggested that the daycare

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workers were satanic murderers and pedophiles,

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and they sent them to jail for forever,

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and it was all made up.

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I'm not mad at the kids.

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They were being manipulated the whole way.

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In a very similar way that Kerry is manipulating this guy.

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Well, and I think it might actually go a little bit deeper

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than that, and we'll get into that as we go along.

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So Kerry wants to know about this sort

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of sovereign citizen-y idea that Trump lately

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has been speaking in front flags with no gold fringe on them.

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Jesus Christ.

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And this leads to a pretty big revelation

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that should tell about where maybe some of this path

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started for Zender.

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Do you have, like, I mean, the last couple of weeks,

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have you noticed a change in what's going on?

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Because for one thing, Paladin reported that lately

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on news conferences, the gold fringe

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is missing from the American flag.

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So are you aware of a change in that regard?

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Yeah, no, there's nothing but change going on,

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and it's very clear that they're trying

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to, in many different ways, make that clear.

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And I've heard the Federal Reserve is gone.

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They finally got those three senators out of there.

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They switch it over, and what I know

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to be what they call the nesserae and jesserae

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is happening, because I've actually

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had memories of being involved with Donald

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Trump in the great hidden city in China,

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and there was a celebration going on there.

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And the celebration was obviously

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for nesserae and jesserae actually being rolled out

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right now, which is obviously a whole new change of government,

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everything happening, which we can actually

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see is happening now with this martial law being

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installed on America.

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So the whole idea about the coronavirus and the COVID-19

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and the lockdown and all this has

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to do with a whole new government being rolled out

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because of nesserae and jesserae.

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OK, who are they?

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We'll get to that in a second.

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So just real quick, like I mentioned,

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in case anyone hasn't heard episodes

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where we talk about this a bit, Kerry's gold flag question,

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the fringe around the flag is just sovereign citizenship.

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Their belief system says the gold fringe

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around an American flag indicates

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that something is under the control of maritime law,

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and therefore it's all invalid.

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Yes.

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It's a super common sovereign citizen talking point.

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You'll see it whenever they're in court trying

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to get out of a fine for driving without a license

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to bring up the fringe around the court.

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Gotcha.

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Two bouquains.

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So I was pretty sure that nesserae and jesserae

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sounded like some kind of an allusion

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to a biblical beast or something.

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I kind of got that vibe.

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It's actually a tip off that Anthony

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believes pretty interesting and depressing conspiracy stuff.

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Nesserae is the National Economic Security

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and Recovery Act, which was something that

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was proposed by a systems researcher named

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Harvey Francis Barnard in the late 80s.

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His basic argument was that debt was holding down the economy,

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and that compounded interest was the greatest

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factor in the maintenance of that debt, which

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he viewed as an ethical matter.

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It was unethical to allow compounding of interest,

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which I'm interested in listening to as an argument,

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just as a whole.

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Well, I mean, it's fundamentally anti-biblical,

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so there's that.

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Nesserae and jesserae.

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Biblical.

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Anyway.

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His proposals were never put into law,

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but that didn't stop a woman named

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Candace Goodwin from starting posting a bunch of conspiracy

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theories about it.

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Good for her.

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Under the screen name The Dove of Oneness,

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Goodwin argued that it was actually

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that nesserae was actually secretly passed

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by Bill Clinton as the National Economic Security

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and Reformation Act.

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Nicely done.

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Goodwin's theory and version of nesserae

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is a sprawling conspiracy.

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From her telling, the act was supposed to take effect

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on September 11, 2001, and 9-11 was somehow

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done to avert it or something.

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Oh, OK.

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I was going to say, that's a staggering coincidence.

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Totally.

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According to a fantastic article about her

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by Sean Robinson in the News Tribune,

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she believes that this secret law, quote,

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abolishes income taxes, forgives mortgages, zeroes out credit

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cards, and declares peace.

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Except where otherwise specified,

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the quotes in the passages I'm about to read,

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they all come from Robinson's reporting

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in the News Tribune.

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Fantastic article people should check out.

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The media apparently is not allowed to talk about this law.

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Well, of course not.

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Because there is a gag order in place

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that would be punishable by death.

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If you talk about this stuff, that is no way enforceable,

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but whatever.

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If all of a sudden we see Rachel Maddow disappear

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from the show.

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Right after talking about nesserae.

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Mid-show, she just gets dragged off by a giant.

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Yeah, it's Showtime with the Apollo,

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she gets ripped off of that.

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I believe that QAnon Anonymous did an episode about nesserae,

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and they're still around.

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So apparently we can get away with talking about it

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a little bit if need be.

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We're independent media, Dan.

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It's just the media establishment.

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They can't do it.

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Right.

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So Goodwin, as the dove of oneness,

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got her start as an anonymous internet

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poster who was promoting a scam being run

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by a guy named Clyde Hood.

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Hood had started this thing called the Omega Trust

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in Trading Limited.

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He claimed to be a high-powered investment trader

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and offered people, quote, units of Omega for $100,

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which would, quote, rollover for 275 days with a 50 to one

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return.

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Investors could let it roll again for another 275 days,

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again 50 to one.

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After that, they could do one more roll, but that was it.

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If you do the math, that would flip $100 into $12.5 million,

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no work involved.

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How could you not say yes to that?

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Of course.

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So naturally, this was all bullshit,

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and Hood was running a scam and taking money

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and just enjoying it.

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Yeah, no.

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Yeah, it's a great scam.

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Hood is dead now, but an obituary for him

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estimated that he ran the scam from 1994 to the year 2000

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and made about $20 million from naive investors.

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Jesus Christ.

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Oh, man.

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Prior to his death in 2002, Hood pleaded guilty

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to a bunch of charges and admitted

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he'd made it all up as a way to scam people,

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and he was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

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Yeah.

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The dove of oneness was one of the voices that encouraged

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people to not give up hope on this Omega investment,

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even though their payments were never materializing.

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As the scam was coming to a close

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and Hood was nearing being arrested,

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the dove of oneness spun fantastical yarns

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about how there was a conspiracy against Omega

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and how there were good forces, including judges,

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who were trying to fight for people to get their money.

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Through her stories and supposed updates about Hood's scam,

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she gained a following, probably mostly

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of people who wanted to know where their $12.5 million was.

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When Hood was arrested, she created a narrative

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that the whole bust was a farce

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and that people needed to keep their spirits high.

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She posted, quote, stay away from the website

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that has information on this case, three exclamation points.

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That is a smart idea.

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Right.

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That's a good way to, that's a good place to start.

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If you're trying to keep information away from people,

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scream, don't look at the information.

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I like it.

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Quote, you will be tracked if you go to that website

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and absolutely avoid filling out any complaints

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or you could lose your funding if you do that.

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Don't review us on the Better Business Bureau.

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Brilliant.

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Investigators who had taken down Hood and Omega

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were trying to get victims to file claims

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to be reimbursed from the money they'd seized from him.

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But, quote, many investors refused to file,

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refused to even talk to government investigators.

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The problem was the internet and the never-ending stream

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of rumors led by Dove and others

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that urged Omega victims to clam up.

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U.S. Attorney Steve Sanchez told the News Tribune, quote,

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everybody kept saying I'm told that it's gonna pay tomorrow

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so I'm not talking to you.

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No matter how hard we tried to persuade people

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that the information being put out there was erroneous,

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people didn't wanna believe it.

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Hood's lawyer would even get calls from investors

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who wouldn't accept that he'd confessed to the fraud.

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Quote, some of these people,

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they just really, really believe it.

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That's why these people are so susceptible

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to being victimized again.

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Yeah.

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So this is all a load of shit,

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but it seemed to maintain some sort of a following,

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the dove of one Mrs. Work.

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Yeah.

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According to her, Omega was just one of many

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of what she called prosperity programs,

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which would make everyone involved rich.

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Apparently, these programs were to be put in motion

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by this Nesara that she imagined had been passed into law

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by Bill Clinton.

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Okay.

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Her ideas about Nesara have been debunked

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by the guy who came up with the idea in the first place,

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Harvey Barnard, but it doesn't matter.

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The conspiracy is too seductive

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and has its roots in a real scam

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that defrauded people of millions.

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What Goodwin has done, the dove of oneness,

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what she's done is she's transmuted that human impulse

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to hold onto hope that their ship is coming in.

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She turned it into a whole cultish following for herself

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to profit off of.

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And now it's being attached to conspiracy theories

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about Donald Trump.

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Man, that is good shit.

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I gotta give it up.

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So she took working on this scam with this other guy.

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I don't think she was working on it with him.

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And that's something that comes up in this article

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that's really fascinating,

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is that because of how large this scam got

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and how protracted it was,

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the working theory around it was

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is that it attracted a bunch of other scammers

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who wanted to drift along with it.

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Like sharks, like the little fish that cleans sharks' backs.

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That's what's going on here.

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And if you look at that as a microcosm

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of the Trump administration, it kind of makes total sense.

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Everything is perfect.

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There is a gigantic, massive fraud going on.

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People who run cons are like,

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I gotta get a taste of this action.

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And whether it's even conscious or not,

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that is a phenomenon that I think you see

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whenever scams get too big.

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Well, I mean, if you see a bunch of people getting frauded,

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you're like, well, obviously these people

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are my target audience.

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And that's even what that dude's lawyer was talking about.

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These people are susceptible to being victimized again

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because they just want to believe this.

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Right, right, right.

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Nobody wants to accept that they've been conned.

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You feel like an idiot.

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And you feel really stupid.

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Clyde Hood in court, one of his quotes

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that really stuck out to me was,

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I didn't realize how big of a liar I was.

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Which is a fascinating thing to like,

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because you made up this whole thing.

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There was a point when you made a choice.

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You know who really got conned?

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Me.

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I was the real victim here.

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I conned myself.

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You know what?

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That quote is a little bit of that mentality

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and then also a little bit of maybe peaking self-awareness

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that maybe he didn't have access to

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while he was deluding himself

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into thinking he was doing something else.

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And that's fascinating to me.

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So anyway, this is what Anthony believes

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is going on with the world today,

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is this implementation of this nessera.

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What's jessera?

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That's just a new one.

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That's just the G stands for global.

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It's the same thing.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, that's nice.

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It's basically the concept and the idea

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that what we're going towards with Trump and all this

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is a global resetting of all economy and all this.

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And it's going to be like a shaking off of all debt

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and everything and everyone's gonna be living

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in wonderful, perfect prosperity.

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It's utopianism being funneled through Trump.

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Okay, so he believes that a man whose primary wealth

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comes directly from property ownership

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and bankruptcy and defrauding people

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is going to suddenly switch tack

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and institute a utopian society that eliminates those things?

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I think it's probably because he believes

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that Trump is being guided by aliens and what have you.

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Because he did say earlier he's getting Pleiadian help.

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Yeah, if he suddenly got Pleiadian help very shortly

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and we saw a big change, I'm fine with that.

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I'm fine with that.

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Right now, I am not a big fan of the Pleiadians.

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If they've been here since the jump,

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nah, get these Pleiadians out of here, bro.

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I'm done with it.

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So it turns out that Anthony is a really big fan of QAnon

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and he thinks it's very important to study

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and he knows who's running it.

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Well, isn't the idea that she would be

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one of the people under arrest?

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Oh, she is.

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That's what I'm saying, is she definitely is.

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One of the people that are going to Gitmo,

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they're already there.

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They're actually already there.

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See, the thing is, is like you said earlier,

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what you heard about the children happened a month ago.

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We're kind of like society is kind of behind schedule

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about what's really going on.

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And then those people that are in the know

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are kind of in more knowledge of what's actually happening.

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But they have to roll it out a certain way.

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And that's what I wanted to talk about QAnon

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and who QAnon is and how important QAnon is

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because that's pretty much like the nexus point

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of people understanding what's happening

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is them studying QAnon.

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And QAnon, me even saying this is actually something

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that no one's been saying because they don't know,

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but QAnon actually is MJ-12,

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is the organization MJ-12 and the government

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because the government MJ-12 was created to infiltrate

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what people know as the Illuminati,

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but they're actually not the Illuminati

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because the Illuminati are the ones that actually oppose

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the globalization and the old world order

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that was being rolled out.

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It's not a new world order.

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It's actually an old world order

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that has been being implemented on humanity to enslave them.

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This leads to a really interesting conversation with Carrie

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where first of all, she's like,

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Majestic 12 is like a really old school conspiracy thing.

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Okay, is that what that is?

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About space stuff, yeah.

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All right, Majestic 12, gotcha.

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It's classic paranormal alien conspiracy things.

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And Carrie's like, I know all about Majestic 12.

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They're not all of one.

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It's split and that's very confusing.

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Great, sure.

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But also, the way he's framing it,

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what most conspiracists, it's called the new world order.

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He's referring to as the old world order.

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And the Illuminati isn't really the Illuminati.

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The Illuminati are against globalization.

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They are the really illuminated ones.

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Okay.

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And she has this whole thing where she's like,

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I understand what you're trying to say.

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Does she?

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Yes.

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But she's like, I understand,

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but you can't just call those things those things

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because they denote something to everybody.

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You're going to confuse people.

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And I think she has a fair point.

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Carrie's point is, words have to mean things

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if you want to communicate with people.

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There's gonna be a problem with reverse branding

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that comes into this.

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So I think a lot of the ideas that Zender's expressing,

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a lot of these things are probably things

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that have gotten into his subconscious, his belief system,

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because of engaging in a ton of Q conspiracy theorizing.

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Right, right, right.

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So that is another pretty solid clue

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of what might be leading him down this path

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towards having these dreams where he's on reconnaissance

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missions against the Umbrella Corporation

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in another dimension.

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Right, right, right.

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For sure.

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You know, it makes a lot of sense.

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In some ways.

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Yeah, in some ways, yeah.

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So Carrie asks him if he's been dealing with Grays,

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the aliens.

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And he has an interesting response to this

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that kind of confuses Carrie.

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Okay, and are you familiar,

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have you been dealing with the Grays?

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Not recently, I mean, I'm done with the Grays

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because that was, you know, very far back in my life.

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Like when I was six and getting abducted.

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I'm definitely dealing with higher beings now

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because even now I'm remembering memories

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of being involved as a super soldier

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where I'm fighting Nordics.

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And they actually were fucking me up.

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They actually had the ability,

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they were able to lift me up telekinetically

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and just spin me around and throw me against a wall.

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So, I mean, that's what I'm dealing with.

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Okay, but Nordics are not Grays.

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No, no, they're not, they're not,

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but they are more advanced.

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Right, okay.

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Okay, it's just that my question was about the Grays.

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So you sort of changed the topic

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and moved on to the Nordics.

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All right, fair enough.

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I think that the Nordics are good guys.

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Right? Yeah.

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In this whole conception.

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Well, if I- Aren't they?

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Like the Pleiadians are a Nordic alien race.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I've always understood them to be the racist version

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of alien white people.

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Yeah.

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Where they're like, these are the Ubermensch.

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Yeah, they're the white beings or the good shit.

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Like, yeah, I've never heard-

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Is this guy a bad guy?

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I don't see, oh, in terms of-

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Yeah, in terms, is Carrie talking to her enemy?

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I mean, there are a lot of indications

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that he was a secret space program super soldier

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that was created by the CIA in part of a treaty

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that they did with the good guys to enable them

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to kidnap children to do this.

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And he has been fighting aliens that traditionally

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on Project Camelot are seen as the positive beings.

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Right, right, right.

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It's complicated, I don't know.

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And he really doesn't seem to have any interest

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in protecting human life so far.

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I don't think those were humans that he killed

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after he fell down that elevator.

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That's fair enough.

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Yeah, those were other aliens or something.

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I retract my criticism.

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So the thing there is that Carrie doesn't bring up

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that sort of, what I would consider a stumbling block,

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the fact that he was fighting with Nordics.

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It seems like a pretty big deal.

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She's just like, okay, fine.

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And she's a little testy about him,

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just not straight up saying, no,

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I haven't dealt with the Grays for a while.

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Instead he then says, I'm dealing with the Nordics.

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You should always be dealing with the Grays.

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You gotta deal with the Grays.

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They're always in play.

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I want that to be a euphemism

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for some sort of bathroom activity.

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I gotta go deal with the Grays over here, guys, come on.

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I would like it to not be that.

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So we're in a disagreement.

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Fair.

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So Carrie asks about some more QAnon stuff,

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which is the idea that JFK Jr. survived that plane crash.

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Really don't understand this one.

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And is now working with Trump.

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I don't understand the JFK Jr. stuff.

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This leads to a bit of confusion

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that I think is really telling.

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Do you think that you have inside knowledge

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about what is going on with Trump and his team

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and QAnon and also Robert, I mean, John F. Kennedy Jr.?

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Yes, yes I do.

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And I can confirm that that is all true.

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Everything that's going on with Trump and QAnon

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and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the Tesla technology

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and everything is the truth.

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Because basically-

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Okay, actually Robert F. Kennedy

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is not John F. Kennedy Jr.

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John, John, the one who supposedly died in the crash.

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Supposedly.

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That's the Kennedy I was referring to.

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Just clarifying.

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So, John F. Kennedy Jr.

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But anyway, you're talking about John F. Kennedy Jr., right?

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J.F. Cage?

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I'm talking about, yes,

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who supposedly died in a plane crash.

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They say now that he faked the crash.

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He and Caroline, his wife,

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he published George magazine, et cetera.

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That he is working with Trump

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and he's actually part of QAnon.

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Have you heard that?

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I have, and I am in not belief,

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but knowing that that is true.

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So, I mean, I don't even know.

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Keep your Jr. Kennedys straight, you know?

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Keep them straight.

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The problem is that they're both sort of involved

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in the conspiracy stuff.

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Right, right, right.

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Because RFK Jr. is the anti-vax guy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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RFK Jr. is the one that supposedly faked his death

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so he could help Trump now.

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Famous people shouldn't die in plane crashes.

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It's just a terrible idea.

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It is trouble.

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It always happens.

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No one is theorizing that the Big Bopper

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is working with Trump.

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We are now.

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That's the only thing that makes sense

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out of any of this.

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Chantilly Lace.

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Oh God, that press conference would be amazing.

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See now, here's my, now we realize.

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We are opening back up the states

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and as a consolation,

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here is Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper.

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What?

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They've been working with Trump all along?

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And they just let American Pie happen?

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They just, they didn't stop that song from happening?

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From now on, American Pie will never be played

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on the radio again.

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It's too long to begin with.

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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Don McLean just shaking his fist.

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My career!

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Sorry, what were you saying?

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I completely forgot.

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Which Kennedy Jr. is the,

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so they think JFK Jr.

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Yes.

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Faked his own death.

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Some people believe he might even be

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the one doing the Q stuff.

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Okay.

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I don't know.

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Q might be JFK Jr.

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I don't know.

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I think some people believe that.

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Oh boy.

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Apparently there's some division in the Q communities

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about whether or not they believe

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JFK Jr. is alive or not.

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It seems like maybe a bit of a sizzle.

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That sounds foundational.

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Yeah.

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You know, I just hear this stuff and it's like,

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okay, he was ready to say that RFK Jr.

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Yeah, why not?

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Is the one who's alive and is helping Trump.

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Sure.

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And then there's the confusion and like,

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no, I'm talking about JFK Jr.

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He's like, I do not believe that.

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I know that to be true.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It makes me think that this is a little malleable.

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I'm gonna say yes and to whatever it is you just said.

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Whatever's being presented as this conspiracy

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is I'm gonna go along with it.

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Yep.

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So now where this intersects with sort of

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more reality and again, Alex Jones specifics

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is some of this conversation

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about the actual COVID-19 situation.

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What we didn't cover is your own take

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on the so-called coronavirus.

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Any thoughts on that?

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So called.

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The information you may have been given?

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Yeah, right.

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So what I know about the coronavirus is

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they are definitely making it worse

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than it seems like.

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The tests are set up a certain way

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to basically make more cases happening

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than are actually happening.

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And then they're blaming deaths

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that aren't related to the coronavirus

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actually to the coronavirus to make the numbers more,

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you know, to make the numbers more so to provide more fear.

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And that's just, you could hear Alex Jones

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saying the exact same thing by yelling it.

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Word for word.

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Yeah, it's identical to the same conspiracy theories

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that are being trafficked on Infowars.

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You see a lot of overlap here,

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and it's like, well, this is the same thing.

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It's the same thing.

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It's just Alex pretends that he's something different.

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And we've allowed him to get away with it forever.

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Like, I don't know why people,

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I mean, I guess I kind of know why.

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Yeah.

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I mean, part of it is he seemed fun for a while.

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Shock entertainment, yeah.

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Sure, and then part of it was also

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the appearance of non-partisanship with him,

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you know, yelling at Bush and stuff.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I get, it's awful to look at.

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It really, like, the tragedy, the scale of it,

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of how many people are dying

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and how they're being pushed towards that death

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like fucking lemmings in a Disney documentary.

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Or at least being pushed towards risking it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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To sort of phrase it a little bit more.

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Right, right.

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Yeah.

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But we have to look at it.

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You can't deny it.

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You can't deny it.

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And that's what it seems like everybody

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in this circle really wants to do.

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Yeah.

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They just can't look at it.

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Because in a movie, it's fine, you know?

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It's not real.

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Right.

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And when it's real, they have to find

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a different movie to kind of retreat into, you know?

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Yeah, I mean, that's kind of.

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It's that kind of thing.

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Well, yeah, and to sort of double down

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on what you're saying, it's the,

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when you allow for all movies to be reality,

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you kind of allow for stuff in reality to be a movie.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It kind of goes both ways.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The blurring of fiction and reality doesn't,

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it's not a one-way street.

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No, until it's, there's no blurring.

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They simply both exist simultaneously

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and you just pick and choose whatever one

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you feel like believing at any given point in time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, that's fucked.

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And so, you know, with the Alex Jones coronavirus

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conspiracies that are being overlapped here,

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it's not surprising that he also believes

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as sort of a resource in pushing this.

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Something else Alex believes in.

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And in the Illuminati card game,

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there actually is a card called pandemic and it's epidemic.

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And it's basically got, you know,

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the masks and vaccines on there and stuff.

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So this was all part of the plan being rolled out,

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but it's not what it seems to be.

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So also, I mean, I should just, spoiler alert,

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I have the Illuminati card game up on my wall.

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Yeah, I know.

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I'm wondering if you have that particular card.

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I absolutely do.

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But there's also like a ton of other things.

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Like Godzilla is one of the cards.

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Well, yeah, but that's because Godzilla is real.

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I'm gonna, yeah, let's get up and look at the wall here.

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Oh, Bigfoot, that's one.

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Bigfoot is real.

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The frog god.

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Frog god.

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Let's not forget about that.

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I can see that vultures is one,

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but I think that's just fine.

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I think vultures are definitely part of the plan.

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Moon base, we go to moon base, that's part of the plan.

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All right, we've got fiendish floridators.

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Oh, so that one's definitely true.

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Loch Ness Monster, Loch Ness Monster is going on.

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100% real.

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Uh-huh, yeah.

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Let's see, what else do we got?

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No, clone arrangers.

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They arrange clones in different situations.

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Xanadu, Xanadu, probably real.

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That one's actually real.

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We all have to wear roller skates

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for the rest of the day, actually.

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Air magic.

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Right.

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Just air magic.

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Well, I mean, that's wind.

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We just call that wind.

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Yeah, I mean, so sure.

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I mean, you can say whatever you want about this fun card

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game and what have you, but when you do,

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you've got to recognize what else you're implying.

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Like, all of those other things must also be part of the plan,

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or maybe those things were put in to make the plan look silly.

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Sure, of course.

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The only real card is the pandemic card.

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But you see, that's also fairly universal

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among a lot of conspiracy theorists.

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They really think that this game, this card game

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that Steve Jackson Studios put out,

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is somehow a revelation of the plan.

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So towards the end of this, Kerry decides to go to commenters.

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And one of them thinks that Nesara is bullshit.

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Big shout out to this commenter.

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Well, one person is questioning Nesara.

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I've heard that the Nesara thing is actually BS.

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So what do you think?

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My whole life path has been about understanding

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the reality of that.

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Jesara and Nesara and the connection

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with Saint Germain and the Grand Jubilee and all of that.

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I've been involved my whole entire life

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in not only studying it, but knowing its truth.

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And I see it actually unfolding in my reality.

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It is actually going to happen.

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And of course, there is misinformation,

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disinformation out there that you're going to go through.

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But in the end, you will get to the truth.

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And then you will actually be able to not doubt what

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it is that you know has happened.

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And I do know through my personal memories and information

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gathering that that is what is happening.

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Donald Trump, I remember being involved with Donald.

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I mean, that's what this is all about, is Nesara and Jesara.

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So that would be the one thing that they would not

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want people to know about.

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OK, well.

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Sounds like bullshit.

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So that there's going to be misinformation and stuff

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is exactly the same thing the dove of oneness

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did when the scam was falling apart.

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Don't look at that other information.

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Don't believe it.

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It'll track you if you go to that website.

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He's not coming at it with such an intentional scam aspect

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as that clearly indicates.

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But it is the same mentality.

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Don't look at the stuff.

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It's misinformation.

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Or if you do, just know it's misinformation.

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Confirmation bias as a religion.

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So I was curious.

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I listened to this.

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And there are a lot of those overlaps with Alex and stuff.

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And so I wanted to get a little bit more information.

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So I went back to his first interview with Kerry.

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Because this is somebody who she has now

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presented as a super soldier three times on her show.

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The first time, if you listen to that episode,

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you get a ton of indications that there's something

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that he's dealing with.

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He talks about healing himself from PTSD.

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He had from being in Iraq.

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Doing some L. Ron Hubbard stuff.

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Talks about seeing a psychiatrist.

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And when he talked to him about stuff,

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the next time he came, another guy

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was there who was part of the secret space program.

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If you were a person like Kerry and you

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were dealing with things responsibly,

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you wouldn't probably have a follow up interview.

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Or you might not even put that one out to begin with.

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And it's one of the reasons why I'm

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trying to be as careful as I can surrounding Anthony himself.

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Because the way I look at it, when you take all of it

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as a whole, I look at him in the same way

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I would have looked at Jessica Schaab

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before she realized what she was doing didn't make sense.

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I think that he still has every potential in his life

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to get to a point where he's living more realistically

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and have some more clarity about these things.

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The nessera and jessera nonsense and all this super soldier

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stuff that he's fallen into.

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I don't think that he is necessarily

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running what you'd describe as a full scale con.

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I don't think that there's, at least as far as I can tell,

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there's not wholesale bigotry going on.

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There aren't the hallmarks of someone who's too far.

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Well, I mean, he's fighting the Nordics.

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So I guess he's fine.

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Potentially.

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Metaphorically.

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Yeah.

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I don't see the indications of someone

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who's lost to someone who's maybe in a bad place.

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Yeah.

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And there are a lot of people who are allowing that

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and enabling it.

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Yeah, no, the thing that I noticed so hard

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was the way Carrie was manipulating him

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by using those pauses after he says something.

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She's not allowing him to continue speaking.

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And you can tell the way he recognizes the pause means,

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I didn't say what she needed.

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I didn't say what she wanted.

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And she knows that.

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She's definitely exploiting him in that kind of way.

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There is a sense of exploitation.

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Yeah, I don't like her in this circumstance at all.

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No, and of course not, because that's

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kind of a larger awareness that's

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important about what she does.

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Like what this show is on some level

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is masquerading as like, we listen to everybody, everybody,

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like all this.

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But it's not necessarily that.

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There is enabling and just like making a business out

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of other people's unhealthiness.

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Yeah, and just like Alex's show, what's

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far more important than any conversation

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is making sure the narrative is what she wants it to be.

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Yeah, that's important.

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It's got to be, you know, if you do a call-in show,

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you can say, you know, I've got a whole,

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I talk to everybody and shit like that.

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If you're doing this show, you're

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talking to people who are going to support the things

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that you want or give you a sounding board to get

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what you want out of them.

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Yeah, and I think when you dwell in this kind of a space

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and you're doing interviews like this,

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I think you have a heightened responsibility.

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I think that you actually have a greater standard that you

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need to live up to than somebody who's doing,

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let's just say, like a show where you interview people

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who have a new book coming out about what their book is about.

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You know, or some sort of a mainstream talk show.

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I think you have a far greater responsibility

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in terms of being aware that the waters you swim in

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attract people who are having trouble sometimes.

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There is a higher likelihood of someone with an idea closer

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to what you believe, having some sort of pathology behind it.

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And it is important if you want to deal with things

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responsibly, to cater to people, like look after people a little.

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And what I see an absence of in any time

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I've looked at anything on Project Camelot

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is an absolute rejection of that responsibility.

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And I find that to be offensive.

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Yeah, it's people expressing pain and she is exploiting it.

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Right, and I don't know if Anthony

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is expressing that much pain.

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Because I don't think, he doesn't

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appear to be struggling nearly as much as the people who

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I wouldn't cover.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Even if they had similarities to Alex or whatever,

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I still would be like, I'm not going to, it's not worth it.

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He seems like he's doing OK, and he's not

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talking about this in ways that feel like it's pain to him.

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He doesn't have a completely flat affect

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to what he's saying.

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He seems to have some points where he laughs.

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He doesn't seem like somebody who's in a crisis.

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Right, right, right, right.

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But there are enough context clues

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to be able to be like, OK, this isn't a secret space program

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super soldier.

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This is somebody who believes stuff that is just

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read on QAnon and has some sort of a hole

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that this is satisfying.

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And I think that it's irresponsible, if you're

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someone like Harry, to not be hyper aware of that.

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Because you're in a position where you have

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a show that has an audience.

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And you are in a position where you

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could take somebody who's going through something,

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maybe is being influenced by some negative things online.

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Maybe it's a phase for them or something.

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They're trying it out because they need something

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to hold on to.

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And now there's tens of thousands

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of people who have listened to their story

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and are giving them reinforcement.

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And now you've put them in a situation

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where one path leads towards getting help and being healthy.

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And that requires you to reject all of the endorphins

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and the sense of meaning that this new conspiracy

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world has given you.

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You have to give up whatever that large crutch that's

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been built here is.

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Yeah, it's a sense of safety.

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It's a sense of like, I understand.

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That's the thing that I keep noticing

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so much of these people is that they cannot allow for an utterly

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chaotic, nonsensical universe.

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It's crazy.

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Somebody has to be in control.

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Somebody has to be in power.

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Somebody has to be orchestrating stuff.

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It can't just be ludicrous psychopaths fucking floundering

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around like me looking for the word flounder.

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It's terrible.

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It's just sad.

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Yeah, it's tough.

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So we have a couple clips here of the original interview

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because I think there's some telling things in here that

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give us a little bit more insight into things that

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would have been like, don't pursue this further, Carrie.

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But she can't because she's not very good at this

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and she's super irresponsible.

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She's floundering about it.

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One of the things that gives me a strong indication

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that this is like her game is not good

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is something that she says right at the beginning.

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And I'm also not one that thinks that documents can't be faked.

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And therefore, I don't stand on documents either.

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So humans are the genetic library

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and we are the archival archivists,

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if you will, of our own history.

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And that's what's really important here.

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So this is testimony.

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And testimony is admissible in a court of law.

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In fact, it can even get a person thrown in jail.

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So take it for what it's worth.

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This is not a court of law.

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This is not testimony.

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This is just someone talking.

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It's a testimony.

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And Carrie, if you think documents can be faked,

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wait till I tell you about lying.

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No, you can't fake.

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No, no, no, you can't lie.

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You can't lie.

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You can fake a document, but you can't lie.

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That's the rule.

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You have a strong distrust of documents.

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People saying that.

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Wow.

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I don't stand on documents because humans

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are the archival archivists.

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Right, so I'll just talk to Sean David Morgan.

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I'll allow a fraud guy to fraud me.

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But then the court documents that demonstrate his fraud,

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those are all fake.

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Those are all faked.

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Absolutely.

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This seems like a really workable system.

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I want to believe what I want to believe.

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Fuck everybody else.

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So in this first interview that came out about a year ago,

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Anthony gives a little bit of an indication of how his path

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down this road came to be.

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My mentor, his name is Ramtha.

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That's just one of the mentors that I have.

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But basically, when I started waking up

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to being in the Seeker Space Program, I heard about Ramtha.

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And I actually attended the school.

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And that was what was being taught there was the truth.

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And obviously, at the beginning, I

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wasn't ready to handle the full extent of what

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was being taught there.

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Because he always says, it comes in levels.

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And he always says, you're not ready to handle

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what I'm going to tell you or what I have to tell you.

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Because you have to raise yourself up

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through the levels to be able to understand

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the knowledge of the truth.

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So Ramtha has come up a few times on the show in the past.

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This is the 40,000-year-old Lemurian warrior spirit

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who's channeled by a woman named Jay-Z Knight, who's

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been described as racist, anti-Semitic,

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and a person who pretends to channel a 40,000-year-old

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Lemurian spirit.

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She actually does have 100 problems.

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So Jay-Z Knight has made a ton of money on this hustle

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and has been doing it for a long time.

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In fact, she was doing it back when

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Clyde Hood's Omega scam was running.

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According to the News Tribune article

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about that whole affair, the attorney prosecuting

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the case, Steve Sanchez, quote, realized several victims were

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linked to Jay-Z Knight, the ethereal New Age

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guru who claims to channel the spirit of a 40,000-year-old

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warrior named Ramtha.

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Later in the article, quote, that's how I became involved

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in it was through the school, one student said.

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I was involved in it, and practically everybody else

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I knew at the school was involved in it.

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There were tons of people involved

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in this on just a cash basis.

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People were sending in cash, cash with no paperwork,

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no receipt, no nothing.

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People were promised their money was going to come in

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before the next snowfall.

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Probably just a coincidence that Candace Goodwin,

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the dove of oneness, also took classes at the Ramtha school.

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Cool, cool.

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That's kind of what's going on here.

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This Anthony guy isn't a super soldier.

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He's just a guy who's fallen under the sway of a cult.

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And Carrie's using him to advance her own narratives

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by presenting this story as genuine.

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And that's really unfortunate, because there

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is a better future for this guy.

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Do they ever, like, what did Ramtha fight 40,000 years ago?

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Like in the Atlantean battles and stuff like that.

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Oh, that's the type of, OK, that's the type of warrior

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we're talking about.

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Not like he was just a guy who was trying to hunt.

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You know, trying to survive before the Ice Age hits.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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Just running out the clock.

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So a lot of this stuff, like it starts to come into focus.

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It starts to make sense.

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This is what's going on.

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And also Jay-Z Knight is pretty involved in QAnon stuff, too.

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Like a promotion of the Q narrative.

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And she's just allowed to roam free.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Woof.

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Yep.

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Wow.

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That's not good.

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Nope.

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They should, they, woo.

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Yeah, so all of this runs perfectly sensibly.

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If you start to look at, OK, he started to have these ideas.

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He pursued this Ramtha school.

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He went there, started to learn about all this stuff.

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And as it turns out, that school was

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a hotbed of people who were involved

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in the Omega Trust scam.

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And so, of course, he now believes in Nessera and Jessera

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as being involved in some kind of a magical plan

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Trump is using to save the world.

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It all kind of makes sense.

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And it's sad, but I don't know.

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Yeah, it does seem like so many of these people

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are just searching for, like just going from cult to cult.

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Just like, please just take away my personal responsibility.

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Please, I want nothing to do with it.

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Just tell me what to do and remove me

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from having to think or feel.

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That's the goal.

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And I start to wonder, too, when I listen,

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if some of these ideas about the secret space

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program Super Soldier were started

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by Carrie herself in Anthony.

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Because he definitely listened to her other interviews

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with Super Soldiers.

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You know, I've interviewed a fair number of Super Soldiers,

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I think you could say.

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And so I guess I'm wondering if you're

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familiar with any of the Super Soldiers I've interviewed.

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Like, did you watch any of those interviews?

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And at the time, did it trigger you?

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And also, were you aware that I was in my lab

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before I told you about it?

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I mean, I think you said you heard me say it on a show.

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But were you aware of it before I said it?

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Or anything like that?

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Yeah, I was definitely aware you were in my lab

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before you said it.

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Because I watched one of your interviews

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and you could say you were in my lab.

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So I knew that.

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And all the other Super Soldiers that you've interviewed,

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like Aaron McCollum, Max Spears, and James Caswell,

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all of them, hearing their testimonies,

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did support mine and helped me to my awakening.

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So it did trigger a lot hearing the other Super Soldiers

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that you interviewed.

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So those are pretty old interviews

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that she did early on in Camelot and throughout.

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And I can't help but think that maybe what this is

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is an expression of I got into this form of oral tradition,

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the storytelling medium that you were engaged

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in with these people.

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And I started thinking about it all the time.

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I started having dreams.

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And then I realized that the only reason

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that it could possibly vibe with me this much

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and why I could dream about it all the time

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is because I myself must be one of those Super Soldiers.

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It's a possibility.

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Also, if there's only one answer to the question,

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did you know I was in my lab before I said it,

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there's only one answer to that question.

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If you answer that wrong, get out of the game.

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Get out of the game.

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So Jordan, do you think that you could beat up a Super Soldier?

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I mean, I'm not really Nordic.

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You know, I'm more Irish.

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So you don't think you could beat up a Super Soldier, right?

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I mean, I would assume that since I am not a Super Soldier,

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what is the point of having a Super Soldier

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if I could defeat one?

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Well, I don't know if you could.

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But I should tell you that from 2011 to 2018,

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Anthony Zender was an MMA fighter.

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OK, how did he do?

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His record was 6 and 12.

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6 and 12?

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That tracks with how many times he's been.

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33% win rate.

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That's why he gets caught out when he's spying.

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He's terrible at it.

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His last fight was a 38 second knockout that he lost.

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Like, if you're a Super Soldier, you're

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not going to lose 12 MMA fights.

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Yeah, I would hope not.

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I would hope not, unless all MMA fighters are Super Soldiers.

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That is a possibility.

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That's a possibility.

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So then from 2018 to 2020, his most recent fight

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was February 14, 2020.

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He started boxing.

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He became a boxer.

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And his current record is 1 and 7.

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OK, that's not great.

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That's not great.

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His second most recent fight was on December 5, 2019.

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And he got knocked out by a debuting boxer.

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OK.

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Guy in his first fight.

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OK.

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And so he won his first boxing match back in 2018,

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in January 2018.

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And since then, all seven have been losses three times

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knocked out.

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So I just.

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Three times knocked out?

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Yes.

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Oh, that's not good.

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No.

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That's really bad.

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No.

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You shouldn't be knocked out once.

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No.

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I mean, for your brain.

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Yeah.

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I would assume that in the martial arts,

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in the realm of pugilism, someone who was prepared

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for their entire life to be a super soldier

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and had the black goo put at them and all of that,

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you would assume might be unbeatable.

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And it seems to me very difficult

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to square that with losing records in boxing

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and in MMA going back to 2011.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I guess part of his super soldier thing,

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though, is that he's in an interdimensional body, too.

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See, but it's not always.

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It's not always.

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That's why it's really difficult.

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Right.

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That stuff, when it's in a different body

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in a different dimension or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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But the problem is that his real body

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was kidnapped at six and trained and had the goo put in.

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And now it's just getting the shit kicked out of it.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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It's difficult for me to square.

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And again, I'm not making fun of him.

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It's just that that is a real life thing that kind of makes

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this story hard to believe.

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No, I mean, more like just there's

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permanent brain damage that comes with being

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knocked out that many times.

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Like that's some serious shit.

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I think that that would be a tough assumption to make.

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But it's certainly not outside of the realm of something

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maybe to be considered.

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I don't know.

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I don't know enough.

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Certainly, if he were boxing in the 80s or doing pro wrestling

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back when they did unprotected headshots with chairs

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and stuff, then yes, I would be far more concerned.

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But since he started fighting in 2011, maybe, I don't know.

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We've evolved a long ways in fairly recent history

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in terms of understanding concussions and CGP

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a little bit better.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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He tracks decently well.

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Like in listening to these interviews,

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outside of times when he clearly doesn't know which Kennedy is

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being discussed, that I don't think

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is any kind of cognition problem.

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That's just he doesn't know the stories or whatever.

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He's perfectly capable of communicating and telling

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a story that has a beginning, middle, and end.

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So I don't know.

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I don't see any indications of any diminished function.

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Does he ever, has anybody ever asked him

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about the MMA and the boxing and stuff?

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Or has Kerry ever asked him about that stuff?

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He's done other interviews with other people

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that I haven't listened to.

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So I don't know if it comes up in those.

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That seems like a different, how are you

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training all the time for MMA and also being a super soldier

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that's transferring from dimension to dimension.

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It's not important.

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Hanging out with Trump.

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It's not important, probably.

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Oh, that's a good answer.

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That's a good answer.

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I didn't think of that answer.

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Yeah.

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Wave away those Arthur droids you're looking for.

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Yeah.

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Fair.

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I don't recall it coming up in Kerry's interviews.

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I didn't watch the second one.

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I only watched the first and the third.

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Gotcha.

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Because I didn't, I just didn't have time.

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So a couple more clips here from the original interview,

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which make things very confusing for me.

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In this, Anthony talks about a raid that he went on.

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Now, let's remember the alignments

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of the people who are supposedly his superiors.

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This is very confusing.

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I had a recall where I was in a black ops gear and everything.

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I was with two squads of operators.

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And we were in a sewer.

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And we were obviously doing a raid.

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And then I actually saw that the next day,

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Q, which is QAnon, posted it up that there was actually

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a raid on a Clinton stronghold in Borneo.

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And I just kind of, I was like, OK,

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that, if I had this memory recall,

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and then this thing is posted up about this raid

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on a Borneo stronghold, I definitely

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believe that I was involved in that.

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OK.

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So that's, he had a dream and he saw a Q post

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and decided he was there.

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I like that math.

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That checks out for me.

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So the secret space program super soldiers

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are running raids against the Clinton.

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Yes.

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I don't know.

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I can't keep track of this.

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I think alliances and such change over time.

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Yeah.

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I mean, in their world, everybody's

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eating people for chocolate.

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Who knows?

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Nessera requires strange bedfellows.

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So this next clip makes me think that Anthony is probably

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a decent-hearted person who actually, to an extent,

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believes the things that he's saying.

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Because otherwise, I don't know why you would make this up.

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OK, now you said you also were involved in, if I,

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I wasn't sure if you were talking past life,

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were you involved in Hitler's Germany?

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You seem to be involved in a Nazi situation?

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Yes, yes.

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But from my understanding, I was infiltrated as a Nazi

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because I've had many memories of being with Nazis.

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And as far as I'm concerned, who I worked for,

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I was infiltrated in on the Nazis,

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gathering intel and all that.

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But I do definitely have, you know,

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I believe that my past life was as a Nazi.

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Oh, you do?

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Kerry's response is exactly what someone's response would be.

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Oh, boy.

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Oh, you do.

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Oh, OK.

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You wouldn't make that up, probably,

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because even if you are presenting it as,

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I was infiltrating them to get information,

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it's still a dicey road to walk.

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Yeah, I wouldn't.

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It still opens up a, oh, are you sure?

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I really feel like that should have

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been a very obvious question to answer as well.

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Were you a Nazi?

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Well, this is not the way to go.

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I was a spy.

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OK.

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I think I was a spy.

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Exactly.

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You better know.

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And I've spent a lot of time with Nazis.

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But you can even tell a recognition in the way

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that he's talking of like, this is bad.

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But he's probably had some dreams

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where he was embedded with the Nazis.

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Yeah, and if he was in the military,

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he's definitely embedded with some Nazis.

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And it makes total sense when you consider the sort of way

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that he conceives of his role as being

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this spy who goes and infiltrates

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the Umbrella Corporation.

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What more evil thing is there than the Nazis?

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So obviously, if I was doing secret work,

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I would have been doing that.

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Sure.

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If there was a thing to infiltrate,

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it would have been Hitler's Germany.

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Man, if he weren't such a bad spy,

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maybe we could have taken down the Nazis a lot earlier.

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He probably blew his cover.

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And that was the whole Valkyrie thing.

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We got Tom Cruise involved now.

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This whole thing is terrible, I'm telling you.

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We've got to get better spies.

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That must be what happened.

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So yeah, I don't know.

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But to me, that's sort of an indication

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of a non-maliciousness, because he's bringing up the Nazis

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almost like a, I'm so good that I

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had to have been involved in trying to take them down,

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which is a pure heartedness on some level.

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I might be reading too much into it,

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but you would never bring that up

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if you were just trying to come up with,

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I feel like you would just leave that off the resume.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Especially, yeah, because you're really retconning there, too.

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If you're like, in my dreams in my past life,

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I would remember being around a lot of Nazis.

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So I'm assuming that I was a spy.

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Because that leaves a lot of open to interpretation kind

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of areas right there.

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Yeah, that is a little, I mean, it's tough.

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But that's almost a reconciliation.

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He's like, in my past life, I was a Nazi.

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I know they're bad now.

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So I'm going to hope that my past life knew

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they were bad as well.

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I got to assume.

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So we have one last clip here from that interview,

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the original one.

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And I just left this in because I think it's funny.

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It's Anthony, he brings up that watching The X-Files,

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it's very triggering for him because everything in it

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is true and everything is real.

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Yeah, and Carrie's response to this is pretty funny.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then The X-Files is, I mean, that triggers me so much

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because that's just all the truth.

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Right.

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So, and then, yeah.

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You know, my favorite X-Files is Logan.

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You know, the Logan one.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Mexico.

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Oh.

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You know, the wolf guy, what's his name?

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Anyway, he's, it's all about Logan.

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He's the guy who has the swords for the arms, you know.

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Oh, Logan, yeah.

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No, I mean, you know, it's all in there.

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It's all in The X-Files, like they say.

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Yeah, it is.

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Two of them are not communicating

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about the same thing.

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Draw me what you think you're telling me, Carrie.

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I want, I want sword arms.

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I want a wolf guy.

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Yeah, he's a wolf guy.

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I want it all.

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I want it all.

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Yeah.

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That's my favorite X-Files.

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It's a great X-Files.

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That's a good file of X-Men.

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It's pretty interesting to me that someone whose career is

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in this space seems to be oblivious about what

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The X-Files are and thinks they're the X-Men.

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And also doesn't know what The X-Men are.

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Doesn't know who Wolverine is.

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If your favorite movie's Logan, you don't even

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know his name is Wolverine?

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Don't even know weapon X. Don't know, yeah, it's very,

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it's very strange to me.

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I mean, it's a great movie, but come on.

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I think that is so fucking funny.

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My favorite X-File is Logan.

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My favorite X-File is Logan.

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Delightful stuff.

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I wanted that.

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She should sell that as a t-shirt.

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I would buy one of those.

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So this episode is, it was a little bit difficult sort

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of trying to figure out exactly how you'd look at this.

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But I think that there's enough stuff in there that

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makes it interesting.

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And Carrie is the bad person.

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Squarely.

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And Anthony is somebody who I think

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you can look at with compassion to an extent.

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Based on what we know of it.

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Yeah, and not treated as any kind of anybody else.

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Then somebody who's fallen into something

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that is way deeper waters than maybe it appeared at first.

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Getting involved with Ramtha, and the Jay-Z night

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nonsense, and the QAnon, and now being

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sort of enabled by a high profile internet show.

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It's very difficult. And I don't know.

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It's tough to figure out exactly where

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the line is of how much empathy people deserve.

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Because he's still putting out messages that are destructive.

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There's still a coronavirus denialism.

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There's still all kinds of paving the way

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for Trump's authoritarian moves.

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There's still denial about that.

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And that's still really bad.

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That still needs to be countered with a full throated rejection

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and denouncement.

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But I think someone like this, you

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can take a lot of context clues to see

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exactly how this came to be.

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And it's hard not to feel bad for the guy.

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Same way as like you hear about somebody

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who's dad or mom watched too much Fox News

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and became something that's almost unrecognizable.

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Like it's, yes, the thing is bad.

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But you kind of have a lot of empathy for the path

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that you maybe didn't know you were going down.

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Yeah, no.

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I mean, my family is a great example

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of people who've been manipulated by all of this right

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wing nonsense.

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But you know, they want to believe that shit too.

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So it's like, I think that complicates it further.

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Yeah, Project Kamala is way more fun

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when she's exploiting murderers and fraudsters.

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But when she's exploiting somebody like this,

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it's like, now we have a clear villain.

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And she's bad.

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She's bad.

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Yeah, but it's part of it, you know?

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Absolutely.

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No, I'm glad that we did this because I

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don't want to give the impression that Project

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Kamalot is relatively benign in that kind of sense as well.

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You know, like this show is destructive along

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the same lines as Info Wars.

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Yeah, perhaps, I mean, not more so

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because obviously Alex's audience is larger.

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But a lot of the things that are covered on her show

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are maybe more insidious because to certain minded people

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they're so much more attractive.

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Like the escapism and the potential of like,

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I have superpowers, all this kind of stuff

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is very much like I have swords for arms.

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You can get drawn into that.

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And it's really seductive and really attractive.

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And then the real world ramifications of it

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are things like coronavirus denialism, Trump boosterism,

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QAnon belief.

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Like those things are where the road leads.

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And it's not that much different than Alex.

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Yeah.

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Except he would yell about QAnon a bit.

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It's the most infuriating thing to know

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that these people are clinging to these conspiracy

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theories and the idea that Trump is not an amoral monster

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as a way of feeling safe and in control of things,

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or at least somebody being in control of things.

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And yet that very feeling of safety is what's killing you.

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I feel safe because I think Trump is not

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an amoral monster.

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And because he is, you're not safe.

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Like it's infuriating.

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You're the vector by which your lack of safety becomes assured.

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Well, that's the modern crisis.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, needed to take a little break from Alex.

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And unfortunately, this is what Project QAnon had to offer.

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So not quite as uplifting as maybe a Mark Richards journey

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would be, but still interesting on some level,

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which is what I aspire for, interesting on some level.

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That's my next tattoo.

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Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yes.

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We are also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledgefight.com, and I go to bed.

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Jordan.

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Yep, we are also on Facebook.

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We are.

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in your area and donate to them.

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Yep, absolutely.

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We'll be back.

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But until next time, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.