Transcript/414: Bill Cooper's Ambitiously Bad Idea

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Indeed we are

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I almost said, Nology Beverages

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Nology Beverages?

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Yeah, that's what we should call them

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Yeah

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Since we're not usually, we're not doing as many novelties as we do before

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we might as well update it for our specific stuff

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but yes Dan, indeed we are

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Uh-huh

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Dan

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Yeah

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Dan

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What up?

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I got a question for you

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Okay

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What's a bright spot you got?

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Well, interesting, you should bring that up

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I have, actually, someone brought this to my attention a little bit ago

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and I try not to go on it too much because it seems navel-gazey-ish

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and a little uncomfortable

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but I think it's really cool and I want to give a shout out to it

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that is, someone created a Reddit, a subreddit about the show

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Oh really?

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At reddit.com slash r slash knowledgefight

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Okay

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There's a knowledgefight board where people, you know, have a conversation about various things

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Jordan screams too much

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Yeah

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I can only imagine that's a frequent source of conversation

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People coming up and talking about, you know, the various things that come up in the show

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Yeah

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It's really cool

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That is really cool

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I also, I don't think it was from this but someone did send me a message that we also actually predicted the coronavirus

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Did we?

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Of course we did

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That might be something that has come up on the reddit board, I'm not sure but

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Of course we have

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So in that episode that we did where a dude who's mad at Carrie Cassidy interviews a time traveler

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He talks about how, what was it, Martin Luther King's granddaughter or great-granddaughter is going to be president

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but she wouldn't be the right age

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Yeah

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And so we discussed how the political realignment would need to happen for that to happen

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And one of the things was a massive outbreak of a disease that mostly kills older people

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And so I've gotten multiple messages from people who are like, you guys predicted this and also these time travelers are right

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Yeah, that sounds right, the time travelers are right

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So we may owe these time travelers an apology

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That is so funny

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Yeah

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Of course we would accidentally, Alex tries so hard to predict everything and he's always wrong and naturally we would

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We were joking

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Of course

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About what the surrounding context of this like 19-year-old becoming president would be

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No, no, I'm actually kind of excited, I bet she's going to be great at the job

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Yeah, I don't know, hopefully

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She's a little young

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Yeah, it's tough at that age but we'll see

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Anyway, what's your bright spot?

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I'm going to go with, and I don't mean this to be too blanket but documentaries, Dan, love documentaries

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That might be too blanket

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No, it's too blanket, no specifically I've been watching

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Tiger King?

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No, no, no, although I did

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Everyone did

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Everybody did, you didn't

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No, I don't have a password

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And I already kind of

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You get it

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No, it's not that, I remember I looked into that story a while back like when it was making the rounds

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Right, right, right

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On blogs and stuff and I remember a lot of the details of it, I was going to dismissively say I already know

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But I'm sure there's so much stuff I have no idea about

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It's insane

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I'll get around to it

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Don't worry about it

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Alright

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You're not going to, don't worry about the national discourse

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No, no, specifically like really, really specific, really specific documentaries

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Like just one of them is Fastball, which is just a documentary entirely about the Fastball

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Not the band

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No

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Who sang The Way

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Where are they going?

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Yeah

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Where are they going?

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Without ever knowing

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Without ever knowing The Way

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They made up their mind

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God, that song was everywhere

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It was huge

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Where's Fastball?

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I don't know

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I got to be honest, I haven't heard that song in a long time

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I don't remember hating it

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Making documentaries, I love that song

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I do also like hyper specific documentaries or the ones that I love were the books

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The micro history books

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Salt

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That book just about salt

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Right

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No, there's so many interesting stories

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Like and then there was just this one that's been released

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This podcast is kind of a micro history

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I think it kind of is, isn't it?

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Of course we're fascinated with micro histories

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No, there's one that was just released on YouTube made by this guy

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Just about how one guy had all of the record high score

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Or fastest times for Mike Tyson punch out

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And it's a story about the entire community of Tyson punch out fans

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Yeah, that's a real niche

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Going hard and like we're going to find a way to beat this guy's scores

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And when they do it at the end of this documentary, I'm like

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Yeah, you did it

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And I need sports

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I need sports back in my life

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I want baseball, Dan

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I want baseball back in my life

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Recently you were talking about getting really excited

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Watching people like play Mario

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Mario, I just, I need sports

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I need competition

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Well, you'll get it soon

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Somebody play tennis for me, for my amusement

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One day soon, Jordan

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But that's great

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Thank you to everybody who's involved over there at the Reddit board

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And watch some documentaries

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Yeah, absolutely

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So Jordan, today we got an interesting episode

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Sort of wacky Wednesday

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Going to talk about some non-Alex Jones related stuff

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Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Yes.

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The highest lawyer in the country.

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Dinosaur Sheriff?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Oh, Sheriff.

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The highest constitutional...

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Sheriff.

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Yeah.

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I heard Sheriff and I was like...

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Oh, no.

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Yeah, I was like, the Lord giveth and taketh away and shareth from time to time.

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No, as opposed to giveth and taketh, the Dinosaur Sheriff.

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The Dinosaur Sheriff, yeah. I like this dinosaur.

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We would appreciate that in spirit.

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Yep.

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So, Jordan, today, kind of an interesting thing to talk about.

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What's that?

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We're going to talk a little bit about Bill Cooper.

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Okay.

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Now, we've talked a little bit about Bill Cooper on the show in the past

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and how he's clearly one of Alex's heroes in the period where Alex was just getting started in media.

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I have a very strong drive to do a lot more coverage about Bill since I find him fascinating.

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But one of the problems I've run into is that Bill's show is often pretty fucking dry.

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A lot of it is him reading long, drawn-out passages from his own book

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or a letter from one of his listeners who's a member of his dumb intelligence gathering operation, Kaji.

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You combine that dryness with how completely out of line Alex's show has been in the past few months,

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and you have a recipe for me not having the kind of time I need to create the kind of Bill Cooper content

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I think our audience deserves.

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Rest assured, though, those episodes will come, hopefully, soon.

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In my exploration of Bill, there's a whole lot of exactly what you expect.

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There's a whole lot of old-school conspiracy theory, there's a lot of pretty extreme right-wing malicious sensibilities,

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there's an overwhelming sense of distrust of most of the other people in the militia media landscape.

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It's what you expect.

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I've noticed that one of the things that I resonate most with in terms of doing this show is not the expected, but the peculiar.

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The ways in which Alex is similar to Bill Cooper are largely uninteresting.

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They both love guns, they hate taxes, they have shockingly low standards of evidence for absurd things they want to believe and report as truth.

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What interests me far more is the ways in which Alex is a worse version of the person he's emulating.

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On our last episode about Bill, we experienced how much more competent Bill is at presenting information.

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He actually plays the role of someone trying to prove something, as opposed to Alex who just yells about nonsense and insists it's been proven already.

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Go look it up. It's in the white papers.

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Alex is basically always saying, like, Bill did it.

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But without saying that.

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Exactly.

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Further, we saw how much better Bill was at broadcasting, how he clearly planned his shows out in advance and incorporated music into the show to reinforce themes.

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Today we're going to look at another difference that I've found between Alex and Bill.

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This difference is a strategic difference, and it's one that makes me think that Bill is pretty sincere about his beliefs, regardless of how dumb they are and misguided his ideas are.

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The difference begins in a similarity.

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Starting out their careers, both Bill Cooper and Alex Jones had to know that the odds were not in their favor.

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They both had views and politics that are not really welcome in mainstream conversation, so the odds of them getting a widely syndicated radio show like Rush Limbaugh or getting a TV show on an actual network? Incredibly slim.

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We've seen that Alex responded to this difficulty by trying to create his own empire.

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He got a little bit of a foothold. He started in, you know, the local AXIS TV show, and then he got a radio show because his dad agreed to pay for advertising.

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And then from there...

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Now he pulled himself up by his bootstraps, Dan.

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From there he found a crazy dude in Ted Anderson who had a gold sales operation that needed a pitchman.

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Alex rose through the ranks through that. Publicity stunt after publicity stunt along the way.

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He managed to create a cottage industry for himself, but at no point would you ever get the sense that he's not what's important.

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Right.

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Alex is Infowars.

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Yes.

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Alex is the head of the Liberty Movement.

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Alex is the man who mainstreamed 9-11 Truth.

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Right.

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Alex caused Brexit. Alex is, like, it's all about him.

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He's a megalomaniac.

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Yes. Yes. And all of the things, all the trappings, everything around it is in service of building up this greater thing, Infowars.

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Yeah. He's monetized delusions of grandeur.

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True. But the strategy is born out of that megalomania, and his strategy is specifically create your thing.

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Yeah.

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He knows that he has no place in mainstream world.

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He's never going to have a column in the New York Times.

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Right.

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He's never going to be on Salem Broadcasting, like who syndicate all these other sort of mainline conservative talkers.

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He's never going to be on Fox News. He's never going to have a job in a place of cultural legitimacy.

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Right.

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So he knows, I have to create my own thing.

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I believe that Bill Cooper is really interesting because he saw a broader picture than Alex.

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He had to create his own thing in the same way that Alex did.

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Of course.

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So he wrote Behold the Pale Horse, and it became an underground classic.

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He started his own radio show that ended up becoming this shortwave broadcast hour of the time.

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And by October 1993, he was at a point where he realized there are other ways to do this.

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I'm never going to get my own show somewhere else, and maybe I have a limitation in terms of how big I can make this without turning into what Alex has become.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I may be assuming that's what he thought. I don't know entirely.

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But on October 15th, 1993, Bill Cooper launched an initiative on his show that I think is one of the most interesting things

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that a conservative right-wing militia weirdo would ever think to do.

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Tonight, we're going to talk about the media that you and I, the listeners and the people here who produced The Hour of the Time, are going to purchase, folks.

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And we are going to do that.

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So Bill Cooper has realized, correctly, that he has no place in mainstream shit.

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He's built his thing and his audience up to a certain point. Best strategy by the media.

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Yes. That's the trick. If you're the boss, you are on your own show. Alex is proof of that.

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Alex would never think to do this. It wouldn't be something that he would want to do.

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Bill Cooper is like, all right, look, I don't like the media. We can change that. All we have to do is buy it.

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So he's saying that he wants a large group of people to pool their money together in order to achieve a goal that's not possible by himself.

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Well, look, sure, there is that. But the interesting thing is it's very unclear what his plan is as he launches this initiative.

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But it is very clearly ambitious.

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Yes. Yeah. The whole media?

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No. Just a major conglomerate.

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So he starts out here on the 15th of 1993 in October by talking about why you would want to do this.

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And it's because the media has destroyed. So you must reclaim it to rebuild.

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OK. It is absolutely necessary for us to take back this country.

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Since the media has been the main element, it appears to me, in its destruction, then it also appears to me that we need to get control of the media.

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The only way to do that in a capitalistic republic is to purchase the media.

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He's not wrong.

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That is exactly, ladies and gentlemen, what we are going to do.

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Now he's wrong.

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God.

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So, again, we find a thematic song being used to open the show.

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In this case, it's Winger's track from the Bill & Ted soundtrack Battle Stations.

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Some choice lyrics from that song.

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Take no prisoners, open fire, battle stations. Someone's trying to brainwash me, battle stations.

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Wild stallions.

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It's the season to resist pre-programmed morons, computer sleaze.

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It's not nearly as fun of a song as Make It Big, but it's definitely an intentional choice that Bill is making.

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Like, fucking someone's trying to brainwash me, battle stations.

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You're talking about buying the media. Of course, it's great. He's doing what he does.

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Bill's interesting because he seems like a real lyrics guy.

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He doesn't particularly have a genre of music.

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No, play the fucking Deep Cut from the Beach Boys and now Winger.

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Exactly. It's not about the music. It's just like, man, this guy is saying it like it is.

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I think he might actually like Dead Prez or something like that.

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He might be surprisingly like, yeah, turn off the radio. Turn off that bullshit.

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We'll never know. No one asked him back then what he thought of that stick man.

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So, Bill gets back to talking about this. And in this episode here, on October 15th, Bill doesn't know which company he wants to buy.

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But he knows that he wants him and his audience to buy a giant company.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So he starts by talking about Paramount.

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Okay.

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is one of the companies that we are considering purchasing.

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Now I'm going to tell you what we really have to consider more than anything else is how many shares can we purchase with our dollars.

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Today, Paramount Communications Incorporated closed on the New York Stock Exchange at $77 per share.

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They have 118 million shares outstanding.

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To be effective and control the policy and the output of any corporation, we must own a minimum of 10% of the outstanding stock.

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So, Paramount Pictures, ladies and gentlemen, or Paramount Communications, which owns Paramount Pictures, is within the realm of our doing.

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I think there might be some faulty assumptions there.

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So, I don't know. I didn't go back and check like stock prices or anything.

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I'm just going to assume those numbers are accurate.

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Sure.

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I still don't think if you have 10% of the shares, you have controlling interest in a company like Paramount.

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That's not usually how it goes.

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And then if you have 10% of the business of Paramount, you now control the Knicks.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's how it works.

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I don't know about this.

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No, no, I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

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But even if all that's true, what he's suggesting is absurd.

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To purchase 10% of the shares in Paramount using his figures, you would need to scare up $847 million.

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And that's in 1993 dollars.

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So, if everybody gives a dollar, it only takes 847 million people to come together and buy it.

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Dude, that's over 1.5 billion in today's money.

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And he thinks this is something that's an option.

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It's in the realm of possibility.

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So, at this point, he's still not clear what he's suggesting.

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Like, is it everyone send in money and then I can buy 10% of the shares?

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Or is he saying you should buy?

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It's unclear.

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That is, yeah.

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But it's very weird.

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So, Paramount is one option.

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But there's one company that is not an option.

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Turner Broadcast.

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Because they don't own enough.

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Viacom Incorporated.

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56 M&H that closed out today.

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120 million shares outstanding according to our tagi report.

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And we have to put it on the back burner because it doesn't own enough.

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But it is in the media business.

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Viacom.

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It's on the back burner.

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Not big enough.

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It doesn't own too much.

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Viacom.

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Not on Bill Kubler's radar to buy.

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It's too small.

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Man, see now that's where he was wrong.

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What you gotta do is you gotta get down on the ground floor.

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You know, whenever Viacom only has 120 million shares at 58 dollars.

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That's when you buy.

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Because now look at where we are.

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Viacom owns everything.

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So I would say that was a miss on his part.

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But I will give Bill credit to an extent.

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And that is he does know his limitations.

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General Electric Corporation.

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That's too big.

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96 dollars at the close today.

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They have 864 million shares outstanding.

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It is out of our reach.

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Yes.

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You cannot buy General Electric.

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That's true.

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I'm gonna agree with him on this one.

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That is true.

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A rare instance where hubris isn't complete.

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Yeah, I know.

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Somehow his limitations are like, wow, 50 a share with 120 million.

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Too low.

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90 a share with 800 million?

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That's too high.

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It's not about the money.

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77 a share at 118 million.

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That's where we're at.

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That's our sweet spot.

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I think it is about the money with General Electric.

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They have too many shares outstanding.

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Or whatever.

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His math doesn't work out.

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Right.

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But with General Electric it wasn't, I'm sorry, with Viacom it wasn't about the money.

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No.

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It was about, they're not big enough.

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It's too small.

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Small potatoes.

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Exactly.

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They don't own enough.

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They're not in that Goldilocks range.

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Ridiculous.

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So there's a problem with Bill's plan, which he still hasn't really spelled out exactly

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yet.

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But the problem is that once he starts putting this into action, and once they take control

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of a media entity, what's gonna happen is that the establishment is gonna sabotage them.

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Yes.

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You can understand that when the establishment figures out what we are about, what we are

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doing, there will be efforts to deny us business.

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Unions may go on strike.

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Corporations that are owned by them, such as Champion International Corporation, may

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all of a sudden not have newsprint to furnish to our newspapers, if we have newspapers.

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So once we take control of these conglomerates that own newspapers, we will dictate all the

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terms of what goes in those papers.

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And as a way of fighting back, the people who supply the supplies to create newspapers

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will probably not give us.

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Unions might strike.

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I would say maybe they would if you're just trying to force them to bring militia propaganda.

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I think that would probably be a good reason to strike.

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I don't know.

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This is silly.

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We're like 20 minutes into this episode and I'm already realizing this is nonsense.

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I were talking to Bill.

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One, I would say, worrying about the establishment reaction is putting the cart before the horse.

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Big time.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to go with that one.

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We need to focus on the early planning stages.

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That's what I'm saying to you right now.

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Early planning.

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Especially since at this point in the episode, he hasn't really made clear what the plan

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is.

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No, I think he's declared himself King of America.

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I can't stress this enough.

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He's sitting there on this episode, really looking over these gigantic companies and

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it seems like a guy talking about like, we could own all this.

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Like you're a kid looking at a catalog and you're like, I could order any of these things.

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Absolutely.

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It's Skymall.

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He's treating American companies like Skymall.

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It feels like that.

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And he doesn't seem to recognize that just because this is the parent company, it doesn't

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mean that all of the decisions of the constituent companies are dictated by the board of the

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parent company.

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Right.

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They're still like, they're more interested in just owning things.

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They're not interested in running things.

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If they wanted to run things, they would run a business.

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Or let's say like a X company is owned by Y company.

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X company is incredibly profitable and doing well.

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Y company is not going to change what X company does and risk it becoming unprofitable.

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Militia propaganda.

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It's very strange.

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Look, that's what the biggest problem with the New York Times has always been.

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Not enough militia propaganda wall to wall.

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What I do appreciate is the blind idealism.

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Yeah, it is nice.

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It's aspirational.

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And in these times that we find ourselves in here in 2020, it becomes a thing where

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that kind of thing could be very refreshing and I appreciate it a little bit.

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No, I said king of America, but it does remind me of that guy in San Francisco who just declared

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himself king of America where it's just like, man, you took such a big swing that people

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are around you just going like, you're crazy, but you know what?

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I'm all for you.

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I knew a guy back in Columbia, Missouri who was a vagrant, a drunk guy on the streets

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all the time who declared himself the king of Columbia and everybody would salute him

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and bow and like, oh, king?

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I think he was kind of an asshole, but people did humor him a bit.

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Anyway, in this next clip, Bill suggests another company that they might buy and I think this

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is where he starts to get into the nuts and bolts of how this would work and this is dumb.

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CBS incorporated closed today on the New York Stock Exchange at $272.58 per share with 13

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million outstanding shares.

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That's a lot.

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That is a lot.

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Thirteen million outstanding shares, which means all we would need is 1,300,000 Americans

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to buy one share at $272.58 if it stays at $272.58 and we would own 10% of CBS incorporated

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when the rest of America found out what we were doing.

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I can guarantee you, ladies and gentlemen, they would jump on the bandwagon and we could

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possibly own much, much more, maybe even as much as 20, 30% of CBS incorporated.

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This is outrageous.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So the plan is everybody in the audience go ahead and buy one share and then we will all

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collectively... Oh, this is... The coordinating of a couple million people is probably going

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to be prohibitive.

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All right.

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It's going to be difficult to get all on the same page in terms of making decisions.

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Also, doesn't that mean that all 1.3 million Americans have an equal share together and

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their opinions are all equally valid?

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But you would assume that they would all act as one.

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They would have to, right?

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Which is a bad assumption.

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Yeah.

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Because if I know anything about conspiracy theorists, they agree about everything.

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I was just thinking, conspiracies are crazy because it's pretending like 10,000 people.

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The globalists are so many people and it's so implausible that that number of people

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would act as one without anybody sharing the detail and he's like, okay, let's ramp it

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up to 1.3 million people.

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Sure.

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What an insane person.

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Good idea, Bill.

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That is great.

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So there's that and then there's the assumption that once people figure out what we're doing,

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the other stockholders will get on board with us.

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That's why I was thinking the complete fucking opposite of that.

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Because then you're like 90% of people who view you as a hostile takeover.

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Exactly.

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Why would they do it?

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It's so just, it's so dumb.

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I love it.

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Also, just that it's like, there are laws, companies don't just, you know what I mean?

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It is legal to buy stock in things.

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It is legal to buy stock in things, but it's not like a controlling share.

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No, but let's also consider that like businesses understand that things like this can happen

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not like this.

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No, not like this.

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But someone coming in and buying up a bunch of stock and like a hostile takeover, there

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are things that businesses can do.

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They can offer more stock.

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They can have stock buybacks and so like there are, there are processes that like defensive

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mechanisms that businesses can have to avoid corporate piracy.

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Can you imagine?

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This is the best.

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Can you imagine the headlines that if he did successfully get 1.3 million people together

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and out of business, all the audience spent all their money on stock and now can't support

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the business.

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Holy shit.

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It's just the best.

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That's a big swing.

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That's a big swing.

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I love Bill Cooper so much because he's such a den of surprises.

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Like there's these things like it's just, he is not an idiot, but this is dumb.

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This is fucking dumb.

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It's the kind of thing that I used to think when I was a kid.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I used to mow lawns when I was a kid and I legitimately thought I can remember this viscerally

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thinking I'm going to make a business out of this and this is going to make me thousands

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of dollars.

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Right.

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Like I printed out sheet of paper with prices for like sizes of lawns and trimming hedges

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and stuff.

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Like I have the ability, I have the labor, people have a need.

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Why wouldn't they pay me to mow their yards?

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I was like looking at people's lawns and I was like, all right, there's 20 lawns on this

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block.

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That's a couple hundred bucks every week too.

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They need lawns mowed every week.

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And the plan made total sense because I was a fucking kid.

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This is how it feels to me, this idea that like I had a million people sign my petition.

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If those million people all buy $250 worth of stock and somehow all coordinate, I will

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own CBS.

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Do you know, it reminds me more of when I had the idea to talk to a few of my friends

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and I was like, okay, none of us can afford a Nintendo on our own, but if we pool our

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money together, we can share it.

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And that's between like five people.

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And the more I thought about it, the more I was like, who gets it when?

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And thus begins the troubles, you know, like you're going to fuck up.

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This trouble will be resolved later, poorly, but whatever the case, both of those examples

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we have are when we were kids, because this is not adult thinking.

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As an adult you're like, oh no.

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A pie in the sky thought is fun and it's filled with hope.

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And as we all know, the governors are trying to get rid of hope.

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It's also providing us with this fun decades later, so I appreciate that.

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Thank you, Bill.

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So CBS is in the running, General Electric is out, Viacom's out.

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Not enough.

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Not enough.

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Not big enough.

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Paramount is in play.

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It's possible.

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And also you brought this up earlier, Turner Broadcasting is in play.

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Of course it is.

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Our agenda is Turner Broadcasting System, extremely attractive for all of us.

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It's well within our reach.

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Well within our reach.

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The New York Stock Exchange at $25 and $70 per share.

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It's nothing.

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176 million shares outstanding.

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Now, don't let the 176 million shares scare you at $25 and $78 per share.

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There's no one in this country who really loves and cares about this country who could

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not afford to buy eight shares at that price.

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Disagree.

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You may not be able to do it today, but you could certainly do it in a month simply by

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setting aside some money or two months.

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You're going to do this, ladies and gentlemen.

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He doesn't even bring up that Ted Turner's crazy.

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I know.

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When he said, or Turner Broadcasting, I was like, Ted might be crazy enough to be sold

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on this idea.

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No, Ted's politically the other direction.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Also, he does bring up that they own the WCW, which is great.

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That's good.

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But 93 is before the new world order came around.

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He was probably an old school Hulk guy.

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I think in 93, Hogan was in WWF.

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No, I mean him.

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Like coming out.

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Oh, Bill?

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Yeah, I bet Bill was an old school Hulk Hogan guy.

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Well, who is he going to root for?

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A foreigner?

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I would think Sergeant Slaughter, but then he turned his back on America during the Iraq

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War.

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Who's the most jingoistic character?

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Probably Hulk.

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Yeah, it had to be Hulk at that time.

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So Turner Broadcasting in play, also another entity that you may not have heard of before,

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but is a big entity.

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They own the USA Today, Gannett is also in play.

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Gannett Company Incorporated.

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Gannett is the largest newspaper group in the United States, headquartered in Arlington,

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Virginia.

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Gannett owns and operates 81 daily and more than 50 non-daily newspapers, with average

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daily circulation topping 1.8 million.

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The company's USA Today is second only to the Wall Street Journal.

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So we're talking about a major, major corporation here in the media.

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Possibly too big.

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Yeah.

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Do you know what's crazy?

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This whole thing?

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When I'm thinking about it, this is shockingly similar to Sinclair Media.

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What do you mean?

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I mean the way that Sinclair Media has bought up all of these local news stations slowly

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and gradually over time, and now from the top is directing them to spout right wing

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propaganda.

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What you're talking about is the exact opposite of what Bill was suggesting.

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Oh yeah, you're right.

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Never mind.

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If Bill was like, all right, for $85, I can get this station in the middle of nowhere,

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and then kept doing that, that would be like Sinclair.

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Maybe he should have done that.

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His plan was worse.

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Look, like I said, Bill's not an idiot, but this is dumb.

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This is dumb.

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This is very dumb.

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This is dumb.

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So we got Gannett is in the running, Turner Broadcasting.

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I'm amazed at how specific he is.

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Well, he has his intelligence agency, Kaji, doing their research for him.

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It's like, I'm looking at this and it's like, this sounds like he has a clear-eyed plan

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to accomplish this shit.

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All of the information, he's just reading off something that one of his listeners sent

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him.

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He does bring up that Kaji did all the figuring out what these conglomerates own and all that.

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So he's just working off the team.

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Okay, I gotcha.

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So we got another entity that's in the running.

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We got another plan?

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Uh-huh.

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The next is Time Warner Incorporated.

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It's even better, folks.

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Even better?

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Better.

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Don't you just love it?

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$41.38 per shell share, let me say that again so nobody's confused, $41.38 per share with

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93 million shares outstanding, well within our reach.

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How many shells are outstanding?

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So Time Warner-

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Insane.

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Insane.

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Just so well within our reach has never been stretched to the breaking point more.

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When I first heard that, I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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What do you think is your reach?

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What is wrong with you?

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Time Warner is within our reach.

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Well within our reach.

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It's the thing that gets me is the well within our reach.

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Like within our reach is suggesting like, you know what, we can do this, but it's going

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to be a struggle.

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Well within our reach is like, guys, we could do this tomorrow if we wanted to.

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No big deal.

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Like I'm not trying to be a dick and say like, no one listens to Bill because he's very popular

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at this point.

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He's a hero for his book and like he is a like, maybe it's too strong to say the king

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of shortwave, but he has a pretty big, he's a pretty big name and conspiracy right wing

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militia shortwave radio.

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So like it's, he does not have an unsubstantial audience, but he's, he's way too big for his

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britches here.

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Like this is a situation where like Time Warner buying it is 10% of the companies within our

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reach is just like you are, you think way higher than you are.

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You are out of pocket.

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This is the first time that it's like, I'm really like, there's Alex that like idea of

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like, Oh, I'm not, look, I have a world leaders, I have a big audience, but no, my audience

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is billions of people like that kind of shit.

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And I think that's one of the reasons why I wanted to do this episode is because as

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you go along, you see a little bit more of Alex in this and it's not, it's, it's interestingly

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not on a content level.

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It's very much on a, on a maniac level, kind of, but it expresses slightly differently.

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And I think one of the things that's really interesting about this is Bill's basic idea

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is smart.

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The idea that like, okay, I might have a limitation in this empire that I can build myself, right.

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But the problem that I see is that the media doesn't report things in a way that I view

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as accurate.

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Yeah.

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How can I change the media?

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That is good thinking.

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Absolutely.

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The way he decides to go about it, Alexy and dumb, but the thought is a, is a smart thought.

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I mean, how would you, if you diagnose the problem as the media is lying all the time,

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why wouldn't you want to do something to change it?

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Right.

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You're misguided, but whatever.

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My frustration here is that as far as I understand his principles, the idea of 1.3 million people

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coming together and pooling their money collectively is anathema to them.

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That's a union.

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He's creating a union.

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There is a problem there and I would caution you to ignore that just because you'll get

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bogged down too easily.

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Right.

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I'm sorry.

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If you're like, okay, so just using the paramount example, that was a $847 million that would

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be needed to buy 10% like that's a big union.

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If you're able to mobilize that level of money, you shouldn't do it that way because the Sinclair

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example is perfect because these entities are already too big.

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You're not going to get the bang for your buck that you want there.

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If you can mobilize $847 million, you could do devastating things if you use that money

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wiser.

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On a small scale, you can destroy... Yeah, and that will then trickle up as bottom-up

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movements always do.

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I think he might have had a better strategy possibly if it wasn't 1993.

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You do have to consider the state of technology at that point prior to social media.

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There is a certain amount of like, what could be done to disseminate information cheaply

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is different, but still it's still a bad plan.

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The thought though, good.

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No, he does... It is something where it's like if you are meditating on your problem,

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the media, then this is an idea that if you're in a writer's room, somebody floats.

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Somebody floats this and they're like, why don't we buy it?

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And then you guys start talking and you're like, we can't buy it, obviously.

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That's not going to work.

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This is silly.

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And then you move on to your next idea.

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The problem though, you still stay with the problem.

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The problem is that the writer's room is catchy.

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Exactly.

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The problem is they're all children.

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I don't think that if you buy 10% of a company, you now control it.

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I don't think that's true.

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From everything I can tell, and I remember from my economics classes generally to have

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a controlling interest in a business, you'd get 51% of the stock.

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That's where you're stupid.

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And there's different kinds of stock too.

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But anyway, Bill thinks that if you have 10% of time war... Listen to this shit.

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This is absurd.

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I want to hear it.

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They own 19.1% of Turner Broadcasting.

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In other words, if we purchased Time Warner Incorporated, we would own 19.1% of Turner

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Broadcasting Systems, CNN.

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So why even talk about buying Turner?

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If Time Warner owns 19% of Turner Broadcasting, if you buy 10% of Time Warner, you then have

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double what you need to control Turner.

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So in that case, isn't Time Warner the parent company of... And then if you have a company

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where one guy owns 10%, one guy owns 11%, one guy owns another 10%, they're all controlling

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interest.

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What is going on?

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It's funny that he's incorrectly diagnosing a big problem, which is that all of these

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media conglomerates own parts of other media conglomerates.

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Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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The interconnectedness of a lot of these businesses is...

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Yeah.

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It's fucked up.

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I didn't double check a lot of this, but if Bill's accurate, then it is a problem.

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Yeah.

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That's a problem.

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And he's even pointing to it.

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There's so much of stuff where Bill always seems like he points at the problem and then

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his solution exacerbates the problem.

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That's his thing.

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Unlike most of the right, which is like, don't look at that problem, just don't even worry

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about it.

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He's like, this is an issue.

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And what I think we should do is gather an army of llamas and then we will be able to

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defeat them on the battlefield.

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Makes sense.

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And you're like, okay.

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Just makes sense.

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Yeah.

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I can't argue with you.

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So we've already touched on the fact that it's unwieldy to have one point something

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million people all have to agree on.

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All have equal.

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Well, they all have to agree on this.

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Exactly.

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And so in this next clip, Bill explains the solution to that problem, which I think is

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a problem.

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Fascism.

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No one's going to get a penny of your money.

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You are going to purchase your own stock.

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You are going to have it issued to you in certificates with your name on it.

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Why?

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Because I'm telling you to.

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That's why.

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The reason you don't buy gold and have somebody else store it for you.

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You take possession always.

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That way you know that you own it.

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All we want you to do is sign a proxy slip giving us the voting rights to your stock.

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There it is.

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If we don't do this, our vote will be fractured and we will not have control.

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No shit.

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Now, if anybody objects to that and you don't want to do it, you better let me know now

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because I don't want to put my heart and soul into making this work.

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I don't want to build the organization and follow it through and make it work only to

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see a bunch of idiots squabbling over who is going to hold the vote.

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If that's going to happen, I want to know about it right now in the beginning because

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I don't want any part of anything like that.

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I don't want any squabbling.

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It's going to happen.

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I don't want any squabbling about who's going to hold the vote because it's fucking me.

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I am going to control Time Warner.

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I, Bill Cooper, you are all side away your voting rights to me.

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This is all just a gigantic project to get him in charge.

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I guess he could pretend that like whatever decision I make is in the best interest of

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my audience.

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I mean, you could tell yourself that, but it's really just, I want to control.

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I want control and I want you to give it to me.

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I don't like the media and I would like all of your money to buy me a controlling stake

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or what I believe to be a controlling stake in a gigantic media company.

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I love that he's already resenting people fucking up the thing that is impossible to

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do.

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It's so much like, and here's the thing, after we own this and I've established my business

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running the entire media world for about five years and people are going to tear me down

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and I hate those people and they're like, dude, dad, don't worry about it yet.

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That's a good problem to have.

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You got to walk before you run, Bill.

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So Bill goes to calls at the end of the show and he's, his call system is really interesting

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because he just has a phone number and people can call in and maybe he picks up or maybe

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it doesn't.

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Yeah, that's fun.

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Yeah.

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No call screen.

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He has a guest.

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They have to call in, but everyone knows the phone number.

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So if other people call in the guest can't get on the line, I've heard, I've heard a

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number of episodes where he's checking in to see if a guest is there and it'll just

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be a caller.

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He's like, I told you all not to call in tonight.

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If you guys keep calling in and my guests can't get through, we're not taking calls

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anymore.

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Is that the pre-taped advice show Mr show?

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That's the pre-taped question.

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That's so charming in a certain way.

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It's childlike.

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It is.

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It has a childlike innocence to it.

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Well, it's that is also naivete.

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I mean naivete.

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It's naivete.

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I think what it is is like a guy doing the best he can with no competence in the world

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of like production.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then also no support.

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Like there's no one outside of like maybe a couple of like, uh, ideological associates

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who were there to like, who are radio professionals who were making this slick and stuff and he

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can't afford to pay anybody.

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So it's just, we got, we got a phone number and you know, whatever.

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And let's be honest, you can't trust anybody.

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That could be an FBI informant, could be a snitch, could always be a snitch.

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If in Bill's world, I think his wife was probably a snitch.

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There are the way he comes off to me.

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There are a number of people that he targets even over the course of these couple episodes

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we're listening to that.

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I just even cut clips of it's like he hates this guy named Tom Valentine, who's another

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radio guy.

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He insists he's a Mason, which is proved by handshakes that cadgy members did with him.

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He knew the Masonic handshakes, but it's way too complicated to get into left to the side.

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So good.

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He has a weird intelligence gathering network.

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Like he's a, he's got a Scientology group.

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Like it's spying on everybody for him.

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That's so funny.

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Hey Bill, I ran into Tom Valentine and I did the Masonic handshake with him and he gave

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it back to me.

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Well, that's proof proof everything I needed to know.

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He's another radio guy who's like in the right wing sphere.

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And so like Bill kind of thinks he's controlled opposition or something.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, Bill goes to calls and he gets this caller who I think has a pretty good piece

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of advice for Bill.

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Good evening.

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You're on the air.

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Hey, this is Terry from Atlanta.

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Hi, Terry.

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How are you?

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I'm in for 10 shares to start, but I'll tell you what, I'm going to be your bad conscience

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again.

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That's okay.

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Sometimes I need a conscience.

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Don't get your hopes too high.

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You know your audience.

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Well, I don't have to get my hopes too high on this.

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You see, I know most Americans want to own something that they never could own before

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and they want to really, this is different from the March on Washington.

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This is something they can hold in their hands.

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This is something they can really do.

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Yeah, but you're talking to a lot of people that keep their money under a mattress.

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Yeah, you're right about that.

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Yep.

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Now that is a problem.

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You know?

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And they're right.

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That's fun.

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Yeah.

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That's fun.

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That caller being just sort of a voice of, come on, Bill.

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Hey, buddy.

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You're talking to people who bury their money.

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Yeah, but the caller is also like, Bill, I support you.

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I got your back, but don't get your hopes up.

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That is funny.

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You know your audience is notoriously suspicious and yeah, I appreciate that caller.

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That is really...

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That caller is like a real positive.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he's...

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Not all of these calls are going to end up being great.

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Oh, they're not.

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Well, that's the only one from this episode, but somebody, ooh, he gets a caller.

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Oh, no.

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Another episode.

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Ooh, hates the Jews.

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Well, that doesn't surprise me.

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That caller, not so uplifting.

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That doesn't surprise me.

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Yeah.

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So at this point, we end the 15th.

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Sure.

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And Bill hasn't decided what company he's going to buy.

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This episode was really just feeling it out.

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It wasn't supposed to decide.

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It wasn't supposed to be.

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I'm sorry.

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Don't judge him.

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I almost did a spit take whenever there was the idea that he hasn't decided which company

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to buy yet.

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Like that is...

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Yes, millions and millions of dollars at his disposal and we've just discussed the possibilities.

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So on the 21st of October, 1993, Bill comes back on air.

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I mean, granted, he has other shows before that, but he comes back and it's been decided

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now who their target is.

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Okay, he's flesh out his idea.

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He knows what he's going after.

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Yes.

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Gotcha.

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And he announces...

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He's feeling on top of the world.

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Like everything is going pretty well.

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Folks, we are...

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We're doing it.

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Got a lot of calls from a lot of people today buying stock in our media venture.

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Not 1.3 million.

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Incorporated.

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Let me give you the closing quote today was 50, let me see, 50 and one quarter dollars

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at four o'clock today.

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It was down five eighths.

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Today's high was 51 and one eighths.

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Today's low was 50 and one quarter.

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It opened this morning at $51 per share.

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Yesterday's close was 50 and seven eighths.

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So it's down now, folks.

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So jump in.

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Now's the time to buy.

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Now's the time.

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I guarantee you when all of us begin to buy our stock and other people get in on this

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venture, it's going to go up.

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If you're procrastinating on this, you're making a big, big, big mistake because we're

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going to own this company and we're going to tell America the truth about what's happening

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not only in this country but in the world.

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So he's decided on Gannett, the owners of USA Today among other papers around the country.

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I mean, again, this is probably a function of the time that this was created in that

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you think that the singular focus like, all right, we're going to prioritize on somebody

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who owns a ton of papers as opposed to newer media.

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Slowly gobbling up papers.

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It's funny.

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That probably sounded like a great plan in 93.

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Did they not have decimal points back then?

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When did the decimal point get invented?

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Was that about 2015?

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What do you mean by that?

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Oh, because of the fractions?

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Isn't that how, I think that's how stocks are listed though, with fractions.

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Probably.

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No.

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I mean, if I check them now, they're listed with decimal points.

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Not in the paper though.

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Oh, that might be true.

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Back in the days.

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See, that's what I'm saying.

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I mean, I was jokingly asking but also I wasn't sure if it's, because now it's out to like

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the fourth decimal point too.

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Yeah.

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I feel like back, I don't think, that doesn't seem all that foreign to me.

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I feel like back in the day-

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Fractions are foreign to me.

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I feel like fractions were used on stock tickers back in the day.

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It's good enough for Dewey.

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It's good enough for you.

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Fair enough.

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Yeah.

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So we're going with Gannett.

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Now, the theme that Bill uses on this episode, I don't have any clips of it.

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We're going with Gannett.

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Yeah.

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I don't have any clips of the music that he plays, but it's just from Disney, When You

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Wish Upon a-

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Of course.

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God, that's so funny.

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He has no interest in music and he reads music.

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He doesn't listen to music.

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No, there's no lyrics.

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It's just the instrumental of When You Wish Upon a Star.

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Right.

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But it has this, of course, it's this idealistic, we're doing it-

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It's a metaphorical song.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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So most of this is dedicated to taking calls from people about the plan to buy Gannett.

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And here is one caller who claims he's bought some shares.

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I'm not sure based on the details, but I believe him.

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Good evening.

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You're on the air.

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Oh, hello.

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This is Bill.

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Bill out here in Summit, California.

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Oh, hello.

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I got 10 shares.

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Fantastic.

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Where'd you get them?

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I've got Pasadena.

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What broker did you use?

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Oh, God.

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Now I got to look it up.

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Well, you don't have to look it up.

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What price did you get?

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I got, I don't know yet.

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I just ordered them yesterday and he bought them for me today.

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Oh, okay.

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I see.

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I wouldn't have been notified or sent anything yet.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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You'll be getting-

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I sent him the check yesterday.

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Did you tell him you wanted the voting shares?

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Oh, yeah.

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He says, well, I don't see there's any other.

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I will make sure I get voting shares.

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Yeah.

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There's nothing else listed.

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That's what you're going to get is voting shares.

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Okay.

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Anything else?

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How do you feel about it?

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Oh, good.

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I think it's a good idea.

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Feel good.

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I don't think that guy bought shares.

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Oh, it's just me, an old prospector from 1949.

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So where'd you get those shares?

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Oh, I sent a check to the guy.

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Oh, cool.

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Don't tell me anymore.

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He's going to mail them to me.

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What'd you pay for them?

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I got a check.

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I'm not sure.

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Oh, yeah.

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Cool.

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What?

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Were they voting shares?

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Oh, yeah.

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They're the only shares I heard of.

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That's a guy who's making shit up.

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Only shares I saw.

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Yep.

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So where?

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Yep.

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So I don't know if that's a 10 you can put on the board or not, but here's another caller

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to give you a little bit of the temperature.

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Hi, Bill.

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Hello.

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I'm Andy from Detroit.

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Hi, Andy.

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I'm really excited about this plan.

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Good.

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Andy, I need you to put your receiver right in front of your mouth and talk a little louder.

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Okay.

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How about this?

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That's a little better.

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I turned down the radio, so.

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Yeah, turn it off.

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I was on the move there.

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Uh-huh.

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I haven't bought any yet, but as soon as I save up some dough, I'm going to get some.

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Okay.

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I'm busy spreading the word.

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Good.

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So he's excited, and he's spreading the word, but he hasn't bought any.

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He's spreading the word.

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Can't buy any yet.

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Also, Bill might be a dead prize fan.

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He just told him to turn off the radio.

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I know.

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I heard it.

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I heard it, and I was like, hell yeah, turn off that bullshit.

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So you got a guy who- Sometimes it's like putting on a blindfold.

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It's true.

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You got a guy who's like, I don't believe him, bought stock.

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No.

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Not at all.

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Very suspicious caller.

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No.

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And then another guy who's excited, but hasn't bought any.

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So, so far, so good.

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We're 0 for 2.

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Bill starts ruminating about what's going to happen whenever he takes over a connect.

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See, again, we're really putting the cart before the horse here, Bill.

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So, what he's going to do is he says, I'm not going to fire anybody.

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This isn't going to be a situation where I take over Gannett, and then I fire everybody

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at all of the underlying businesses.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Although, it turns out a lot of people would end up getting fired.

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Well, yeah.

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And we're not going to purchase this corporation to fire everybody and cause a big calamity.

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What we're going to do is go in and tell them what we want.

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And it's very simple.

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If we own the corporation and there are employees, they're going to have to do what we want.

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And if they like their job, they will.

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If they don't do what we want, then we're well within our rights for firing them for

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refusing to change the policy with the change of ownership.

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So, you got a situation where it's like, okay, Bill, your first episode of your broadcast

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was about that silent weapons for quiet wars.

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Right.

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That's a fucking document that's easy to figure out is fake.

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Now, let's assume that you take over Gannett, and you want USA Today to publish that document

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on the front page as true.

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Right.

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Now, let's assume some editor does a little bit of legwork and figures-

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Fired!

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Exactly.

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Sorry.

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Exactly.

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No, exactly.

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Exactly.

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That's what would happen.

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That's what he imagines happening.

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I know.

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The only thing-

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He imagines a complete breakdown of any kind of standards.

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He would turn it into the Inquirer in a week.

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No, this is absolutely-

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I mean, USA Today isn't even-

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Like, I'm listening to this going like, is this guy Jim Spanfeller?

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Did Bill Cooper fake his death and then buy Gizmodo?

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Is that what happened here?

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This is insane.

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Maybe he finally figured out new media.

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Yeah, that could be.

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So, another caller calls in, and this dude is, I think he may be more into buying shares,

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but he has a-

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I'll trust you.

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I'm not getting the truth from the media, so I'm going to buy some more shares, and

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I hope we get some major control in this media soon.

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Well, we're going to do it, and with the help of people like you, and-

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Soon.

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We really need it soon.

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Now, Bill has commented that it might take us a year.

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Well, I'm more patient than that.

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If it takes five, I'm going to be here.

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Well, I think we'd better aim for the year.

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Yeah, we may not have five, but this president-

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I'm glad you called.

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You brought up some really great points.

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Yeah, please call again.

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And I don't normally like to have one person on the line this long, but you brought up

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some really good points that needed to be talked about.

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This president, this president is going to be the president who destroys this country.

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That's Bill Clinton.

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That would be Bill Clinton.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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How did that go?

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Let me check my watch.

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Okay.

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What year are we in?

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That other voice you hear is Bill's co-host, who fills in whenever he goes on vacations.

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Sure.

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Not vacations.

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Facts finding missions.

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Well, he does speaking engagements every now and again.

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He went to the UK a little while back in this timeline.

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Sure.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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He's a big deal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he has her there.

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I can't remember her name, but-

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Robin?

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She's a 60-year-old lady who-

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Is it Robin?

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She's probably part of CAGI.

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You know, we might not have five years.

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Period.

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We might not make it to 1998.

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When he said that, I immediately thought that he thinks that the world will end in five

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years if they don't-

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No, he means the country.

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The country.

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Apologies.

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Right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I'm assuming that he doesn't mean we can't hold out for five years monetarily, but-

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No, no, no.

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If we don't do this now, the world is going to end.

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The country won't survive because they leave the truth that badly.

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Right, right, right.

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Yeah.

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I mean, but also the other thing that demonstrates, and one of the reasons I wanted to keep that

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clip in, is that this is such an intrinsic element of this kind of media, is that immediate

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crisis of every single time there's something that they don't like, it's this will destroy-

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It's the apocalypse.

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Yeah.

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Everything is the apocalypse.

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I don't know.

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But the thing about it that I notice is it has to be apocalyptic because that's the only

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way that you can get people to unquestioningly believe something and unquestioningly disbelieve

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something.

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So that guy is literally like, I don't trust a thing the media says, but I trust everything

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you say.

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And that is because-

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And I think that it's possible that we're buying Gannett.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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It's like, well, one, he's part of the media, whether or not you like it.

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Yeah.

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No, we do.

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Yeah.

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So at this point, Bill goes to another caller, and this is where everything breaks really

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bad because this guy believes that the Jews control the media, and Bill-

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There we go.

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I was wondering where we were going to get that.

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He's worried that Bill isn't addressing that.

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Yeah, well, naturally.

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Yes, Bill, I was the fellow who called the Tom Valentine, and I was talking about the

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Jewish control of the media, and I wanted to have a dialogue with you about that.

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Go ahead.

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Well, Bill is the kind of guy who's open to whatever comes.

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What do you got?

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Even if you're saying something that is maybe offensive and outside of what he wants to

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talk about, he takes the conversation, which on one level I can respect.

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Now, on the other level, there's a real interesting situation happening here with the question

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of do Jews control the media?

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I feel like that question should already be answered.

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Well, here's the thing.

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Bill is pushing back against this caller because it's very clear that he's coming from an anti-Semitic

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place, but at the same time, I think that Bill is pushing back the wrong way because

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what he's doing is essentially seeding the point that Jews run the media and then pushing

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back on, well, what are you going to do about it?

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It's weird.

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It seems like you're kind of contemptuous about me even saying anything about that.

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No, no.

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Why would that be?

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No, no, no, no.

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Nothing against you.

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I am really angry with the American people as a whole for being sheeple.

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In other words, this is a capitalistic republic that we live in.

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Why is everybody sitting around complaining because somebody else was smarter than them

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and bought the media?

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If you really care, buy it back, everything in this country is for sale.

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Everybody was complaining and railing against the Japanese for buying property and businesses

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over here.

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Who sold it to them, my friend?

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Greedy Americans.

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Well, can I respond to that?

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Sure.

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Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.

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Wow.

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It's weird because he's disagreeing with this guy who's anti-Semitic, but he's still falling

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into anti-Semitic archetypes and beliefs himself.

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It is a little bit like... I mean, it's very fascinating, his idea of like, well, yeah,

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why wouldn't the Jews buy up the media?

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That's a good investment.

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Why aren't you buying up the media?

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Yeah.

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And it's like, I guess that's more progressive than out and out anti-Semitism, but it is

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like, well, obviously the Jews control the media, naturally.

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That's the problem.

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Of course.

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We sold it to them.

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It's your fault that the Jews control the media.

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That's a weird angle on it.

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There's a way to have this rebuttal that's not still playing into anti-Semitic tropes.

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And that would be to respond to him like, look, you're wrong, but let's entertain the

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possibility in your conception.

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If the Jews control all of the media, what's stopping you from buying it back into capitalist

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culture?

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The exact rebuttal he's making, framed slightly differently to make clear that you don't believe

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that the Jews control the media.

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Yeah.

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Start with no.

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The fact that you buy into the premise is a problem.

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Right, right, right.

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That's weird.

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That's weird.

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So at the end of this conversation, Bill is like, hey, you hate the Jews.

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You're a real big anti-Semite, but how about you help us buy Gannett?

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We're doing something.

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If you want to get on the bandwagon and help us, we're going to buy a major media corporation

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and make sure they print the truth, whatever the truth may be.

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And we're not going to slant it toward conservative or toward liberal.

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It's not going to be a Christian media corporation.

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It's not going to be an atheist media corporation.

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It's going to be a media corporation that prints and tells the truth, whether it's on

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radio, television, or in the newspapers.

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If you want to get on board and do something with us, we'll welcome your help.

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If all you want to do is complain about the Jews, and let me tell you something, the Jews

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have not done anything illegal.

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They have exercised their rights under the system.

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Oh boy.

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Very smart.

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Oh boy.

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Very intelligent.

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Oh boy.

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And if they're smart enough.

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Stop.

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To buy something and control it, and everybody else sits back and whines.

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You're flying that plane towards the mountain.

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They deserve to control it, and everybody else that whizes and cries deserves whatever

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they get from that.

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That just happens to be the truth.

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Oh God.

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Oh God.

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Bill.

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Oh my God.

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Well, yeah, of course the Jews control the media, but that's because you're a coward.

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Bill.

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Did you ever consider that?

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Did you ever consider that the Jews control the media because you're a coward?

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Oh, Bill.

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You stupid asshole.

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Oh, Bill.

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Oh my God.

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It's so weird that these terrible beliefs are there with the wherewithal to recognize

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legit like deep antisemitism and somehow be opposed to it, it's wild.

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I don't understand.

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You're an antisemite for the wrong reasons.

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I don't understand how that dichotomy works within Bill, but it's one of the reasons that

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he fascinates me because like there's stupid, stupid beliefs that he has like the silent

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weapons for a quiet war thing, but at the same time, whenever a caller will call in

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and say something absurd, he'll be like, where'd you get that information?

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He'll push back on, on people who have unproven theories that are callers trying to sell him

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things in the, in a way that Alex doesn't.

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When Alex gets a caller who's like, Hey, don't pop air bubbles cause there's Chinese air

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in there.

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You get Corona virus.

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He's like, Oh my God.

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Amazing.

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Of course.

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Bill would never do that, but Bill still believes things like silent weapons and in the same

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way Bill is opposed to bigotry.

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Like he does.

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He gives speeches sometimes about like white racism, black racism, Asian racism, antisemitism.

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All of these are inappropriate.

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They don't have any place in society and yet you just have him here.

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This guy's complaining what the Jews owner of the media is like, yeah, the Jews on the

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media cause they're smart bill.

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I mean, I think, well, if I suppose you, the only argument he could survive on is that

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the people who own the media are Jewish and because they own the media, they are smart.

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Therefore the Jewish people are smart.

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I guess that's what he's trying to say.

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Not that they're inherent Jewish.

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One of the problems is that the other problem is a compound noun.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The compound nouns are struggle.

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Yeah.

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So he gets off the phone with this antisemite.

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I don't think he's buying shares, but he gets another guy.

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I don't know.

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Who's a sold me.

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This guy is doing the Lord's work in terms of buying Gannett.

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Okay.

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Good evening.

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You're on the air.

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Good evening, Bill.

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Yes.

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Oh yes.

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Good evening.

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Say, I just wanted to let you know, I bought a hundred shares last week.

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I am also a broker of money manager and I've talked to a number of my clients.

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We've now bought a total number of shares, 2,400 shares.

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Damn.

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That's wonderful.

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And this is, the stock is actually relatively cheap and there is a lot of room to be out

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there.

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Even if we don't even make the move to take over, so I mean, it's not only, uh, it makes

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sense as far as taking control of our destiny, it's actually a good investment for guys.

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Absolutely.

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That's the best argument that anyone including Bill has given so far is that like we might

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make money off this because this guy is saying something crazy, 2,400 shares.

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That's a absurd number for someone, what are these people calling in to have?

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And you know what?

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It means Dick.

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It means nothing in terms of control of Gannett.

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That's funny to me.

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That's funny to me because it's like a sovereign, it's a sovereign citizen broker.

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You know, he's like, well, of course I play the market.

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Naturally, I sign everything with capital letters because otherwise the government won't

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know it's me.

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But, uh, you know, I mean, I'm not going to leave money on the table, Dan.

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I'm not going to leave money on the table just because I think I don't need a driver's

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license doesn't mean I'm not going to get rich.

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Well, I mean like there, you know, if, if, um, you know, you see this as a good opportunity

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to make some money and getting involved and being like, well, Bill's not going to be able

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to buy this company, but I'll join in.

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You may make a bucks off it or whatever.

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Yeah, that's fine and I make money.

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There's no downside.

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Not really.

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Yeah.

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Why not?

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Anyway?

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Yeah.

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Spirits are high on October 21st, 1993.

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I don't think it's going to go as well future wise.

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So you know, he gets this call with a 2,400 shares.

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He's had a couple other people who've said they've bought shares.

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Maybe they have.

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And yeah, um, spoiler alert things.

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He does not end up buying.

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Are you sure?

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Yes.

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I really hoped he had a chance.

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And by January 13th, 1994 bill gets back on air and his mood.

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Not good.

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Entirely different.

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Oh boy.

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Well, this is happy sound.

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What you just heard is a warning.

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If we're not successful in waking the sheeple with this program in concert with many others

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who are attempting to do the same, you will hear those sounds marching in the streets

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of America.

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Nice.

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You're listening to the hour of the time.

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I'm William Cooper.

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And I'm Carolyn Nelson.

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This cohost is Carolyn Nelson.

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Along again.

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All right.

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So we're now like three months later and the plan has not gone well.

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Have they, you know, struck a dent in the, in the GoFundMe campaign?

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Not sure.

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Mm hmm.

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So what you have is, uh, the sirens, which you, you're like, these aren't happy sounds,

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but that's how he opens every show.

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I know.

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That's not, uh, I know that that's not uncommon, but he's like, this is what's going to happen.

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What's, what's going on here?

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Is this really just about the fact that you don't own Gannett yet?

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Because you don't, and it turns out it's not quite, it's partially that, but also bill

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is furious.

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I am holding in my hand, a newspaper, a newspaper, ladies and gentlemen, the first newspaper

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I've ever seen in my life where the same story is on every page, every page.

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This newspaper is dated December the 29th, 1993.

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I want you to make sure that you have a pad of paper and a pen or pencil by your side

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because we're going to talk about some things tonight.

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I'm going to give you some information.

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I'm going to ask that you do something, and if you don't do it, well, you'll find out.

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The front page, the front page, there's a smoking pistol, a six gun, smoke coming out

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of the barrel, pointed right at the reader, the headline, guns changing our lives.

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To the right, homicide records set in 22 cities.

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At the bottom of the page, cover story, 200 million guns can't be ignored.

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Why are people able to shoot someone in the face and walk away?

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That's a good question.

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Joey Badafuco.

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On the left side, special report, USA's gun issue.

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In all four sections today examines the explosion of gun violence in the 1990s.

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One amendment, is the right to bear arms as fundamental as free speech or as outdated

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as banning the ordering of troops in private homes?

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The next paragraph, barbershop murders, dying young, crimes paid, in defense, seeking solutions,

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haven, sudden death, last hope, today's debate, gatling guns under control, treat guns as

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cars and shooters as drivers and watch the blood mist begin to lift.

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And I say, you try to touch one gun, you break down America's doors and begin confiscating

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weapons, the blood will run deep in the streets of America.

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Now we're sounding like Alex.

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There we are.

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So we have.

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There's the stuff.

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It's a newspaper has done a special issue about gun violence and Bill is fucking furious

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about this because of course he is, he loves guns.

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And can't get enough of them.

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And so what we have here is a very Alex Jonesy vibe here in January, 1994, where Bill is

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saying you touch one gun, streets will run red with the blood of, you know, whatever.

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And as I was listening to this, I noticed a lot of very, very familiar themes with Alex.

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So some of this is a little bit content adjacent.

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And one of the things is that Bill is of the mind that all this gun crime and all this

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crime that's going on is being manufactured in order to create a problem that the public

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will demand a solution for, which is more government control.

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Dialectic.

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In fact, if you've been listening to this program, you know that the rampant crime in

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this country has been created simply for the purpose of getting Americans themselves under

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the Hegelian dialectic of political conflict resolution to scream for more control and

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thus render them selves voluntary slaves.

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It's just a hundred percent.

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Holy shit.

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Does he think Reagan introduced crack into the black community?

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Maybe.

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I think he might.

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It's possible.

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Also Reagan introduced crack into the black community.

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I have no idea if Bill has a position on that.

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More episodes may shed light.

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So they have the, that same sort of belief and it's, you know, it's sort of trivial differences,

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but what I really think is going on is more just Bill is mad.

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And so he's channeling a little bit of this, this, this anger that he has within him.

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And I mean, I could beat around the bush all day, but the reason that he's mad is that

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no one's buying stock.

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And he talks about that here and gets fucking so mad at his audience.

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Boy, I'm on a tirade tonight.

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I cannot stand stupidity and I see a nation of exactly what they call youth cattle.

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That's what I see.

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I gave you all the answer on this program several months ago, gave you the answer.

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A few noble souls went out and followed my plan, and then nothing, nothing.

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You see, the newspaper that I'm quoting from upon which every page attacks the right to

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keep and bear arms is USA Today, owned by Gannett Company Incorporated, which I propose

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that we, the people purchase.

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That is too, that is juicy as a narrative.

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That is an ironic twist that is just perfect.

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That is perfect.

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I have warned you guys that we need to purchase Gannett and then three months later we haven't

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purchased Gannett and they have done the exact opposite of what it is.

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I would have asked.

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Also, let's imagine a scenario, perfect world where you buy Gannett within three months

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able to completely control the editorial content of USA Today.

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Great.

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I imagine that's entirely possible.

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Man, somehow, here's the weirdest part, somehow I kind of, I would prefer Bill's reaction

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to calling people super predators, you know what I'm saying?

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It didn't go well for anybody, the early 90s.

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I wouldn't suggest that.

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It was a strange time.

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I wouldn't recommend it.

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So what you end up with is Bill is furious because he's seen this gun control, gun issue,

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gun violence issue of USA Today.

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He's recognized, I tried to buy USA Today.

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It didn't work out.

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It didn't go well.

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And here we are.

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I told you so.

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Now all of my listeners have to pay.

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The biggest I told you so in history.

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It's so fascinating to me that what he's mad at, I mean, he's mad at the articles and he's

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mad at USA Today, obviously, but he's really mad at his audience because he seems to feel

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like they have failed him in being able to stop that issue from existing.

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Yup.

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It gets into that a little bit here.

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If you'd followed my advice, if we had done this, this issue could never have happened.

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Could never have happened.

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Instead, it would have an article, a large article, explaining the real purpose of the

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second article and amendment and why it is necessary that Americans never relinquish

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their right to keep and bear arms.

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Because we, the owners, would have told the editors that that is what we want in that

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paper and not this crap that we got.

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But what if the articles in the paper are accurate?

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What if these articles about gun violence are true?

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Not possible.

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So you would just like censor things about the negative parts of guns in service of pushing

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your pro-gun agenda.

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Dan, have you never heard what justifies the means?

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Why is it not possible to have a publication in your idealized world where you do talk

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about the fact that there is gun violence and something needs to be done about it, but

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also the second amendment is important?

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Why is it impossible?

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It never works that way.

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Even in Bill's sort of weird idealized version of we have control of ganette, it doesn't

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come into nuance.

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It comes into gun absolutism.

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No.

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And let's say an authoritarian type rule over the editorial.

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That's what I was thinking, like going through there.

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We spent so much time talking about Alex and it was for a while before I was like, oh,

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this guy's an out and out fascist.

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But if we listened to this clip right here, I'd be like, oh, so the hard right wing wants

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complete control over what people hear.

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That's legit fascism.

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And Bill wants his audience to pay for it and have no say in it.

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And give it to him.

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Yes.

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Give him all the voting rights.

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A single proprietor.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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This is a fascist dictator mad at people for not making him a fascist dictator.

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And for people who complain about communism and like these sort of like people's revolutions.

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I hate communism.

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I hate socialism.

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I just want millions of people to come together and give me their money.

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And I say take sole control.

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Think about what happened with the Bolsheviks, Dan.

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See, that's the thing is they talk about these like negative historical events.

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Exactly.

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He's trying to recreate it.

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It's not, it's not even, it's a one to one.

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Yes.

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He's trying to become a media dictator in a certain sense through the work of false

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populism.

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It's nonsense.

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He's so so goddamn mad that people didn't go along with it.

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I would assume a large part of it is that people wanted to or would have supported him,

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but didn't have the financial means to or had an unfamiliarity with the stock market.

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It's not something that if you're not a stock person, it's easy to like the, the border

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of entry is tough.

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Once you're already involved, it's easier to buy your fourth or fifth stock, but buying

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your first one kind of tough.

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Yeah.

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You don't know exactly who to talk to.

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You don't know the process of it.

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Absolutely.

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I think there's probably a lot of his audience that are well meaning and supportive, but

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probably can't get over that hurdle.

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Of course, they're the type of people who hide their money under a mattress.

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What are you going to do?

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Give them a piece of paper that says it's money?

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There's a Venn diagram and it's a circle, but he's mad at them for not getting over

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that hurdle without realizing that like they can't, most of them can't.

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You're asking them to do something that is outside of the programming that you offer

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them.

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Like even earlier in this episode, he was talking about buying gold and it's like, don't

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let someone else hold your gold for you.

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Hold it yourself.

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Yeah.

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How do stocks work?

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It's imaginary.

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It's them holding their gold.

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More or less.

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Like it's counter to the advice of the hard money philosophy of the hard right.

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And so like he's asking people to go against what they're inclined to do and now these

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mad at them for not doing it because he wanted the power to stop this anti-gun, not even

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anti-gun, but like what he perceives to be anti-gun messaging.

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It's very weird.

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It is so applicable because it is him saying, I want you, my audience to abandon your principles

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that I created for you in order for me to then institute your principles.

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Like it is absolutely, it's literally the Bolshevik revolution.

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It's incredible.

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It's big brother.

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Bananas.

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Yeah.

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This is like if Don Quixote was pissed at horses for not helping him buy a windmill.

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Like it's insane.

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I think that works.

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I think it does work.

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So that's surprising.

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So earlier in the beginning of this, back in October, bill was saying that he needs

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10% of a company to have control of it.

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Yes.

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That has now changed.

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Oh, it has.

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Yeah.

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And then again, it company incorporated stock was selling at $50 per share.

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We only need to garner 15% of the stock to effectively control the corporation.

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It is now selling at 57 and one quarter per share.

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Sovereign citizen broker made some bank at 4 PM New York time.

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So now you need 15%.

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It's almost like these numbers are arbitrary.

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They do seem like it's imagined, but the other thing too is like, if you look at this, the

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stock is up $7.

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The only thing they've done is gain stock.

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The only functional thing that this has achieved is bill is angry and stock has gone up, which

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is kind of the opposite of what he wants.

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That is exactly how that would go.

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That's exactly how that would go.

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This is just bill hitting himself in the face.

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Like it's just nonsense.

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It is literally like weird.

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It's a weird conspiracy Rube Goldberg machine that he set off just ends up like all these

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Byzantine roots.

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The ball goes down and then at the end he just gets slapped.

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It's so funny to me that if you would talk to an economic advisor who wasn't a sovereign

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citizen part of CADG, they would have been like, here's what's going to happen.

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And then it's exactly what would have happened.

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Here's what's going to happen.

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You're going to have some people who are going to join up with you.

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They're going to end up buying a bit of stock, which is going to increase the value of the

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stock, and then that's it.

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And that's going to price out people who otherwise would have joined, possibly, possibly furthermore,

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they are going to make more money and you are going to do nothing.

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You're just doing free work for scamming.

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That's all you're doing.

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It's literally all this is doing.

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What you have to do now.

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You have just made more money for USA today, who made the gun article.

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You funded the gun article.

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Now Bill, I'm going to say this to you right now, and this is my piece of advice.

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Get all 1.3 million people together before you buy stock.

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Don't have people trickle in to the buying stock.

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That's not how stock works, buddy.

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That would be difficult to do because then, you know, it'd be impossible to do, Dan.

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And that's why he shouldn't have tried.

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Number one, it would be impossible.

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But second, also when you have 1.3 million people all gathered together and they're like,

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let's give control to one guy.

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It becomes more comical once the reality of like, oh, we could buy, wait, we're just letting

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bill.

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Are we sure bill is insane.

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Yeah.

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Also, while we're here, the people who are going to be in that 1.3 million are people

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who listen to Bill Cooper, which means they probably take one and a half second before

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they're like, I think Bill's an FBI informant, like no time.

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And even if they trust bill implicitly, they don't trust 30% of that 1.3 million.

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So 30% seems low.

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So bill is mad, but he wants to start over.

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He wants to, he wants to speak again.

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Everybody sell your stock.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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If you haven't hold it, but we're going to do it, we're going to, we're going to make

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it work this time.

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All right.

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Okay.

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And if you don't, Oh, bill is going to fucking destroy you.

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I'm going to tell you about this corporation.

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I'm going to tell you that if we don't do it this time, and if you don't get off your

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butts and get busy and pitch it to your churches and your organizations and everybody else

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who's sitting around in this country, bitching about the media, bitching about what they

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get on television, bitching about what's in the newspapers, that every time I hear you

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bitch, I'm going to laugh loud and clear, loud and clear, right in your faces.

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Because you will have proven to me and to the world and to our enemies that you are

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not worthy, you are not worthy to be treated as people or to have any, any say in the affairs

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of running your country.

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And you will prove that the Illuminati are correct when they say a nation or world of

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people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have

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intelligence such people are stakes on the table and beasts of burden by choice and consent.

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That's what they think of you and every day you prove them right.

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That's a quote from Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.

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That's not a real Illuminati thing, but Bill's dumb.

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This is where Bill starts to feel a lot like Alex.

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This is a, this is a guy, but what it is is like a guy who feels betrayed.

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Yeah.

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It's his, it's his own psycho drama that's playing out.

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He feels like his audience has let him down and now we're going to do this again.

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We're going to try, we're going to buy Gannett and if you don't buy shares, you don't get

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everyone in your church to buy shares, then you aren't human and you don't give a fuck

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about America.

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That's, that might be an overreaction.

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If you don't...

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And people are worried about a woman president.

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I mean, this is, this is narcissism.

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Okay.

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Run amuck.

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This is legit narcissism.

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Let me run this by you.

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I actually think I could make this a workable plan.

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Still impossible, but far more workable in 2020.

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Here's what we do.

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Okay.

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All right.

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We get a sufficient number of people, not going to be 1.3 million, but it's going to

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be a, let's say a hundred thousand, right?

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We buy plenty of stock then all at once we sell it because of the way the algorithms

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run the market.

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Now that's going to artificially deflate the price.

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Then we get a slightly larger number of people to buy more stock at a lower price.

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That's making it more affordable.

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Then we do that again, over and over again, a month later, we do the same thing artificially

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goes down and so on and so forth.

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The volatile market makes it go all wild and describing all you know, all of the sudden

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is yes, I'm describing Bitcoin.

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This is really, laws aren't real.

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This is, this is the point at which I like really in this saga felt like this is so like

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if I were Alex and I had the same issues that Alex has and I was listening to this guy,

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I would really identify with it.

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I was 100%.

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Bill's totally right.

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Yeah.

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Alex probably would listen to this and be like, he, why didn't people should be mad?

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Why didn't people join up with his kick Sonic quest to buy the media?

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Yeah.

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Um, and it just feels so Alex.

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Yeah.

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And if you ever call us and complain about anything, we're going to ask you first, do

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you own shares and Gannett company incorporated and do we have your proxy to vote your stock?

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If you say no, we're going to hang up on you because we don't even want to talk to stupid

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fools.

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Hashtag never Biden.

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You see, I'm going to force you to save this nation.

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I'm going to force you to do it because you won't do it without somebody making you do

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it and I don't care if you hate my guts.

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I love my country enough to be the most hated man in the world.

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If I have to, to save the constitution and the bill of rights, that feels so much like

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Alex.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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That martyrdom, that false martyrdom.

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I welcome your hate and I do not care for those who are not true believers.

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I will have this incredibly artificial cross that I'm bearing and I will make sure you

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make a note of it because otherwise you're all fucking asshole.

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It's ludicrous.

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That's something that I listened to and I recognize so much of that like Bernie or bust

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thought process that I'm seeing there where it's just like, if you guys do your bullshit,

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then fuck you.

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I don't have any, but I know that the difference between that and Bill's version where it's

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like, I'm going to hang up on you and tell you to go fuck yourself because you weren't

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part of our true believers.

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The difference for me is like, I know for a fact that when Biden gets his ass kicked

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or whatever happens, the Bernie people are going to be like, ha ha, I told you so.

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Now how can we help?

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The stakes are also different.

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It's going to be that.

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The stakes are also quite different.

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The stakes are very different for sure.

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Bill's living an imagined world.

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That is true.

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There's no outcome of this.

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That's positive.

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Right.

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Really?

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Right.

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Well, there's no outcome.

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Well, I mean, this is the outcome.

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Other than disappointment.

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Yeah.

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There's no outcome.

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So Bill is just fucking mad.

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Most of the show is him just being like, fucking, if you don't buy the stock in the company

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and sign over your rights to the stock to me, it's like, shut up.

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It's a false righteousness.

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The American Stockholders' Meeting is on May the 4th, 1994.

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And whether you know it or not, you're going to purchase stock of Gannett Company Incorporated.

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Whether you know it or not?

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We are going to represent the American Stockholders at that meeting, and we are going to garner

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control of that company, and we are going to print the real truth and the real news

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in the newspapers and on the television sets and on the radio stations of Gannett Company

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Incorporated across this country, and we're going to use those billboards for constructive

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purposes.

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And we are going to turn this country around, or we are going to shut our stupid mouths

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and put the chains around our ankles and quit being hypocrites and liars.

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And so far, that's what you all have been.

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You profess to money change.

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You profess to want to save the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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You profess to want to do something, but you don't ever do a damn thing.

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If you don't like the language, you change the station.

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I'm angry.

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I'm tired of listening to you cry and bitch and moan.

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I'm tired of you calling me to solve all your problems and save your country for you.

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I'm sick of it.

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You're going to get off your butt and you're going to help or you're going to shut up and

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put the chains around your ankles.

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One of the two.

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One of the two.

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We're going to bring this to a head right now.

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You either get busy and help save this country or you shut up and become a good little slave.

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Bill gets Twitter.

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This is like, this is the thing that's another real emotional commonality of him and Alex.

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They're abusive to their listeners.

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Absolutely.

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Oh God.

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I can't even imagine, like, let's imagine some weird scenario where in like literally

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everybody who supports the show, if you don't donate to knowledge, fight right now, you

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are, you know, you're a coward and you love Alex Jones.

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I can't even.

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That's what it is.

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That would be the equivalent.

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Absolutely what it would take to be like to act like that.

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I don't know.

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I can't even comprehend that it's, it's, it's, it's horrifying now that I really do have

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that corollary of that's literally what it would be.

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It would be us yelling at every listener who does not donate even a dollar or whatever

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it is and just be like, you guys love Alex Jones.

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You failed us.

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You failed the fight against Alex.

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I will never take your phone calls.

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I will rat it.

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If you don't don't, if you're not a Patreon subscriber, you're dead to me.

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You're a cattle.

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You're sheep.

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It's comical.

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That is ridiculous.

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I can't imagine how you get there.

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Well, I mean, I think it's gradual cut now, now, 10 years from now, somebody's doing knowledge

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fight knowledge fight and they're like, and this is where they started to go downhill.

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I certainly don't think it comes on overnight, but I think that by degrees you end up like

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sort of buying your own shit to such an extent that like bill has talked it up in his head.

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Basically from the conception, the germination of this idea in October, 93 to the point we're

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in now in January where it's like, this is the answer and it's the answer because I have

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decided it's the answer and anybody who doesn't agree with me is cattle.

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Well, you know, a subversive person.

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Yeah, very good.

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You know, it's, it's, it's, it's that, that's that same sort of thing.

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And like, look, I know you probably like the militias and you agree on right wing stuff

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and all that, but you call in and you didn't buy ganet, go fuck yourself because that was

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your chance.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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It's, it's a, and you know what?

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It's ludicrous because bill's on the air until he dies in 2001 and did he, did he know Clinton

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ended things?

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Right.

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First of all, no.

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But then also bill doesn't keep being like answering every call with like, did you buy

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ganet stock?

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That would be amazing.

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This chapter ends.

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That would be amazing because it's embarrassing.

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Yeah.

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Of course it is.

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It is embarrassing.

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And it's a lashing out then.

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And that's another big commonality between him and Alex.

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They lash out their individual personal problems and feelings need to be vented out and the

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audience needs to feel those things or else they can't handle whatever they're going through.

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And that to me, like as much as bill appears to be more of an adult and he reads long passages,

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he's literate, it's still like he's a baby, he's a baby.

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He comes up with these ideas like I'm going to buy this media thing because a bunch of

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people signed a petition of something I was going to do.

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And that means that I can raise $800,000,000 and then he, then when it doesn't happen,

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he lashes out like a, like a child.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's, it's still the emotional intelligence of somebody who needs to grow the fuck up.

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Absolutely.

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And that's such a, that's such a good point.

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Just because that, that like veneer of literacy and consistency and all of that stuff, like

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legit service, like he was in the, he was in Vietnam, there's a, there's a bit to respect

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about that certainly.

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And all of that can cloud you to the rest of it.

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You know, like it's, it's like somebody doing a profile on Richard Spencer where you're

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like, look at the new alt writer or whatever.

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And it's like, see, he's literate and he's got all this shit.

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And that tricks you into accepting that this is a fine human being and a lot of the information

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about what a whiny racist baby he is behind the scenes maybe isn't available when you're

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writing that piece, but you should probably fucking assume it is.

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No kidding.

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Yeah.

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In the same way that like with bill, like, of course, like you should assume that this

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guy is the guy who would act like this.

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Yes.

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You know, it's.

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It doesn't for long enough.

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You're like, well, maybe he's not.

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Yeah.

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Cause you're the type of person who wants to believe other people.

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And I still think he's interesting and I still think that there's a lot of worthwhile things

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in terms of discussing some of the beliefs that he has, but like, don't get it twisted.

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This is, this is part of who this is.

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The real bill Cooper.

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I don't know if it's a huge chunk.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean it's a three month arc over his career.

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Like, so we have one last clip and it's basically him saying that if you don't buy stock to

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get him control of Gannett, you're dead.

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You're dead to him.

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You must make a choice at this moment.

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You must choose to go with those who would destroy us or you must choose to stand up

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and take whatever risk you need to take to fight on the side of right by Gannett company

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incorporated stock.

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The first thing tomorrow morning, don't anybody ever call us or communicate with us unless

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you have done that because we don't even want to hear from you.

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We don't even want to hear from you.

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Geez.

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Oh, that was sad.

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Yeah.

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That's that we don't even want to hear from you as sad.

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Yeah.

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That's you don't even, I don't even believe it now like as, as delivered, like I don't,

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I don't believe he means that, but it's so lashing out.

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It's so, yeah, petulant.

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Absolutely.

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And I think that's, that's part of what underlies a lot of these, these folks and even myself

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to a certain extent, like I, I'm, I'm in therapy and you know, like I think I have a little

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better handle on some of my emotional responses, but like I'm not like some sort of paragon

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of maturity, you know, like it's not, I wouldn't ever pretend that, but like you see this and

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I think, I think that a lot of these people who dwell in these worlds have just incredible

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unexamined and undealt with, um, emotional issues certainly, but, but it caused a certain

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amount of delay in their, um, device duration.

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Yeah.

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And I, I certainly don't have any expertise in the field or enough information to really

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figure this out, but I would suspect based on some of the information I can find about

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bill and Alex, um, that maybe that's a commonality, maybe, maybe folks who are drawn towards this

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megalomaniacal individualistic conspiracy theory, uh, are sheeple or maybe it's a product

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of like just some unresolved shit.

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Yeah.

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Maybe, maybe it is a function of being stuck in a 13 year old emotional state.

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Yeah.

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No, I, I, I genuinely understand his, his feelings on that.

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Like that, that like if you're not doing this, then you are also responsible for what happens

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to you.

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You might as well be a global, like, like I, there are so many times where I, I'm like

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looking around and I'm like, there are people in still in cages.

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Why aren't we doing anything?

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And if you're not actively fighting, if you're not doing something, if you're not trying,

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then what the fuck are you for?

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Why are you involved in this?

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And then you stop for one second and as an adult, you're like, fucking, it's a struggle.

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It's a struggle for people, people who want to do something.

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Sometimes they just fucking can't.

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Well that moment you're thinking of right there, the analog for this is bill realizing

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buying 10% of stock is not going to give me control of all of the child companies.

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What am I doing?

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Right, right, right, right.

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It's, it's, it's weird.

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So I think that there's these weird emotional commonalities and sort of spiritual commonalities

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you can find that, uh, are, are very fascinating.

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Yeah.

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Um, but at the same time, this is such an intrinsic difference that like, again, as

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much as we've laughed at bill, cause this is a dumb idea.

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It's very ill faded, but the problem is correct.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Exactly.

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The way that he responded to the question that both him and Alex had to answer.

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The question is media doesn't want you.

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What are you going to do?

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You want to be a voice in media in a certain, um, genre and media companies don't want anything

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to do with you because you're lying or you're dumb.

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And also some of the ideas you have are dangerous, so they don't want to publicize your promote

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you.

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What are you going to do, Alex?

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It seems like most of his career has entirely been individualistic and like just, I'm going

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to create my empire.

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It will be my empire bill seems to want to co-opt, which is the other option, right?

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Which is a better option, sort of misguided the way he applies it.

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And obviously as he explains more about what his actual plan is, it's really just, I want

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my empire to be Gannett.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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So it's not really that different, but no, Alex wanted to build an empire and bill kind

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of was like, what if we conquered an empire?

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Do you guys ever consider that?

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Do you ever sit consider conquest?

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What if I use, what if I use my audience's resources in order to hostilely take over

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someone else's empire and it will be ours, mine, collectively, it'll be ours, but I'm

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the only one who will be able to do anything.

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Have you ever heard of a situation where collectively people all got together, but only one guy

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wound up being able to make the decision.

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I know I've heard these guys complain a lot about collectivists.

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Anyway, I just thought this was one of the more interesting things that I've stumbled

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across in terms of like listening to bill.

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I think that there's a lot more like compelling and important things to talk about in terms

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of like his actual beliefs and his worldviews.

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But this was like really a thorn in my, in my back, you know, like I got to talk about

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him trying to buy the media so fascinating to me.

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You told me off air like months ago with just a real quick, like, this is amazing.

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Bill Cooper literally thought it was a good idea to buy a media outlet and I was like,

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that's fantastic.

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And hilarious.

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Kind of hoping you'd forgotten.

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This is great stuff.

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Do you mean like I forgot all kinds of, nevermind.

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Yeah.

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So we will be back on Friday folks until then we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, Jordan, uh, I've been, uh, uh, Neo I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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