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Damn, Ed, Jordan, I am SWEATING

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your work

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Knowledgefight

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're couple dudes, I can sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Indeed we are Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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On this day, I must ask you one quick question

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Sure

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Have you ever been

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He has risen, oh wait that's Easter

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Sorry, go ahead

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Well he's risen from somewhere

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Indeed

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What's up?

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Have you ever seen, did you ever go to like a nativity play at your church?

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On Christmas Eve or Christmas Day?

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I

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Have you ever seen a good one?

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I don't know, I'm not positive, I could critically review any of the ones from my past

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I don't know exactly, I would say definitely, I have some vague memories of going to like midnight

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masses, although I was not Catholic, I still think they exist in other denominations and I remember

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those being really fun, I don't know why, it's just like you're up late, you're up later than you

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would be, you know that Christmas is that much closer

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You're younger, absolutely, in this situation

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And it's such a novel thing, you know, you're going to church at midnight, weird, very weird

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That is weird

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I don't know, I think of nativity scenes as something I drive past, you know, that's in

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more adult years, that's the place that I, it's something in someone's yard

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Somebody

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Even the place, even the church plays or something, it's in somebody's yard

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Yeah, it's a church yard, kind of the lights, you know, the version of that, I guess that's

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along with Christmas too, Halloween decorations

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Nativity plays, Halloween decorations, same shit

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Yeah, that kind of vibe, I don't know, nothing sticks out in my head

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I've seen a bunch though, I've seen a bunch of people acting out that manger scene

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Yeah, it's happened

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It has, it has, so I don't know, I'm sorry, I don't have a great answer for that, but I do

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know a lot about Alex Jones

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Ah, that's what this podcast is about

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You got it

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So Jordan, today I wanted to celebrate this holiday here, this Christmas day, by giving

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myself a gift

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Okay, good

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That's the reason for the season

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So that means that I'm going to be tortured on this episode

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No, I don't think so, I don't know, I think you'll be, you'll get a charge out of some

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of this stuff that we end up talking about, because I wanted to take a step away from

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Alex Jones, take a, take a, take a day to look at something else that I want to look

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into, and then also the other thing is that I know that Alex has a tendency of getting

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a little buck wild around the holidays

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Oh yeah

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But I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to rush it, I want to save that for Monday

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Okay, okay

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For Monday, we'll have an Alex Jones holiday special

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Special Christmas year

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I was looking forward to finding out whether or not he thought that Jesus was an interdimensional

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alien on this Christmas

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But a good international

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Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah

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Alien

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No, I believe it was last year he threw hatchets in the studio on Christmas Eve, and we'll

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see if he can top himself this year

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Yeah, what else is there to throw?

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Right, but that'll, that'll be for Monday

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Okay

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Now we have something else to do

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But, before we get to that, take a little moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks

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who have signed up and are supporting the show

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So first, Jason, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Jason

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Next, Mary, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Mary

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Next, Paola-

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Mary on the Christmas episode, come on now

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Uh, yeah, just a little on the nose

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Yeah

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Next, Jesus, no

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Paola C. Wonka, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Paola C. Wonka

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Next, Stu, just S-T-U, thank you so much

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On Christmas?

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What?

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You're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you so much, Stu

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Next, J.R. from the Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good, thank you so much,

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you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, J.R.

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Next, Sam, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Sam

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Thanks, Sam

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Next, Satan's Little Monkey, but it's spelled M-O-N-K-E-E, so it might be Davey Jones

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Yeah, that's way better

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Michael Nesmith

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Okay, which one of them worships Satan?

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Mickey Dolenz

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How do you know the names of the monkeys?

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You don't know the monkeys?

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You were born after the monkeys

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Yeah, they like to monkey around, it was pretty fun

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Okay

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Mike Nesmith, Satan's Little Monkey, thank you so much

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And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody donated on an elevated level,

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we appreciate that very much

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So, Gareth, thank you so much, you are now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business

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We ain't making that money off that heroin

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large

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I declare info war on you

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Thank you so much, Gareth

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Yes, thank you very much, Gareth

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking,

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hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these gents do,

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you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it

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It'd be lovely

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So, Jordan, today what I'm doing is I've been in a bit of an identity crisis with the show

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Yeah

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A little bit

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Because I feel like we've been in a situation where we've had our wacky Wednesdays

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and there have been problems

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There have been corridors we've tried to go down

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Yeah

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It's like, what are we doing?

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Yeah

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There's a fine balance to exactly what is good to cover and what isn't

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And it's really difficult to walk that line

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Like, Reverend Manning is super interesting and I'm glad we covered him

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But I don't think there's value to covering him anymore

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No, he should be in prison

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Project Camelot does not charm me anymore

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I'm not sure exactly how interesting it is to cover any more of that

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A lot of people are in prison on that show

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That's really difficult, I don't know what to do

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And so to remedy that problem, one of the things that I came up with was Coast to Coast AM

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That's going to be a great idea

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And I gotta tell you, it was a better idea than it is in practice

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Ah, no

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Because the episodes are really long of Coast to Coast and they're very boring

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Yeah

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Most of the time they're very boring and not worth talking about

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Yeah, of course

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So you end up eating tons of time in this preparation of things that go nowhere

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Right

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You're sacrificing 15 hours for the possibility of maybe 10 minutes of our show being worth

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talking about

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Yeah

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And that's a ratio I can't keep up

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No

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If we're going to be able to do this

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So, and the second thing too is like, I started to realize as I was listening to more and more

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Coast to Coast AM, it's like, yeah, George Norrie sucks, he definitely sucks

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Yep

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A bit of it's subtle, but the thing that comes up much more is like callers saying really

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stupid things

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And I don't want us to do episodes about Coast to Coast AM where we're just like, look at

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this dumb ass

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Yeah, shit talking callers holds no interest for me

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Except for when they're Alex's callers and they're saying like, should we start shooting

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people

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Right, right, right, but that's not shit talking, that's terrifying

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Yeah, yeah

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It just didn't feel like it would be satisfying in any way, like it's a ton of work for very

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little content

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And then some of the content will be like really not what I'm comfortable with or what

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I want our show to be

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Right

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So that has turned me off a bit on the idea of Coast to Coast, but we need something else

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And I realized what is, what interests me, like what is something that I think is going

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to be in line with the show, interesting and to everything, and the only thing I can come

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up with and the only thing I really want to do is I want to talk about Bill Cooper

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Ah, I was going to guess the Final Fantasy series, but I think Bill Cooper does fit more

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in line, I was way off

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I want to talk about William Milton Cooper

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His middle name is Milton?

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Yeah, no, first name

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Oh, his first name is Milton?

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Milton William Cooper

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Really?

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Yes

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I, it's a good idea to go by Bill

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Yeah, Bill Cooper is a guy who was on shortwave radio for years and is, you know, basically

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what you'd call the prototype of Alex, and he has years worth of his radio show available

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from 1993 when he started the hour of the time on WWCR, shortwave radio, to his death

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in 2001, and I think that this would be the avenue down which we can find the most wackiness,

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the most relevance, and the most that I'm interested in

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Right, we're going back to the beginning, we're starting at the beginnings of this

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I wouldn't say the beginning because I think that there's even further back things that

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Right, like Cicero

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Sure, there are other things that probably are influences that may be conscious, subconscious

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Sure

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Or at least historically relevant, and maybe that's something else we could do, but I want

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to talk about Bill Cooper

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Let's do it

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So I've been listening to a bunch of him, and it's fascinating to me because for the

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last, you know, weeks, I've been listening to his show in addition to listening to Alex's

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show in the present day

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That's wild

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And it's just depressing

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Yeah, it has to be

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It's so staggering to see the difference between, like, this guy who was at the top of his game

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doing this shortwave malicious show in 93 and Alex in 2019, just the juxtaposition is

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almost unsettling, like how bad Alex is

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Alright

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So what I've got for you today, Jordan, is we're going to be listening to the premiere

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episode

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Okay

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of The Hour of the Time

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Alright, in 93, so we're going to get a lot of Clinton shit talk, is that what's happening?

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Very little

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Okay

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So though Bill Cooper had been on some form of pirate radio for about a decade up to this

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point already, this is considered the first episode of his more mainstream show, the legendary

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The Hour of the Time. On January 4th, 1993, Bill began airing weeknights on WWCR. I believe

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it was 11 o'clock central was when his show would air

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So he got the primo time slot

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For this sort of thing

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Yeah, that's fair, that's fair

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Fuck yeah, this is exactly where you want to be

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That's fair

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So WWCR is probably the largest shortwave radio station in the country. It's broadcast

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out of Nashville and the shows could be heard all over the United States and it brought

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Bill Cooper to a much wider audience than he had had previously. WWCR is also the shortwave

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station that got into a business relationship with Genesis Communications Network and it

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eventually ended up airing Alex's show

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Alex's show, of course

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But in 1993, that's two years before Alex ever was around

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Yeah, yeah

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Bill is on this shortwave station knocking it out of the park, bringing the militia community

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to the world

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Yeah, right

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Bill's a gigantic topic and from the amount of the shows that I've listened to, I think

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he's a very complicated figure. He's someone with abhorrent views on many topics

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Of course

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But he's also a person who's miles ahead of the right wing on some topics that you would

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not expect in some places

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Alright

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I find it very interesting. What I look at it as is I think he's a human as opposed to

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someone like Alex who's full of shit

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Yeah, yeah

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I think that Bill is a flawed and in many ways bad person

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Human

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But a person

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But a human, yeah

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Right, which makes it so much more interesting to me

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Yeah, Alex is more of a construct at this point

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Sure

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Yeah

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There are many things that I know about Bill and there's many things that I don't know

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about him and I don't want to let those color the topic that we're talking about today

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Okay

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So today is about this episode, so we'll talk about what he brings up in this episode

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Alright

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There are plenty of other things like I could say, hey, this show is interesting and so

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like, well, what about his AIDS denial?

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Right, right, right, right

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Sure

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Yeah

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That's something to talk about on the episode where he gets into that

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Absolutely

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Not going to deny that that is completely fucked up of him

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If you think we're defending him for that, then you got to stop listening to this show

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So this is the, this is the premiere. This is the first episode, January 4th

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Every show of his starts with air raid sirens and dogs barking and a terrifying soundscape

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Okay

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That sort of thing. It's very hard to listen to

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It's very upsetting

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I want to pause here really fast because this does go on, but it's very interesting to me

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that in the last couple months at least, and probably a little bit further back than that,

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Alex has been coming out of break sometimes with just air raid sirens

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Yeah

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And it's very reminiscent of the beginning of Bill Cooper's hour at the time

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Yeah

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This was recorded at Disneyland?

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Yeah

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Okay

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I told you it goes on a while

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He lets it fade?

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He doesn't stop it? He lets it fade out? That's crazy

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What you have just heard, listeners, all over the world is a warning

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and you will hear this warning from here on out

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You've been listening to your leaders tell you that there's a great move toward democracy in the

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world. You witnessed the parting of the Iron Curtain, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the fracturing

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of the Soviet Union, and this is all supposedly toward a new worldwide democracy

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Aha! Supposedly is doing a lot of work in that shirt

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First sentence out of his mouth, starting this new show on WWCR, the premise is you see the dropping

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of the Iron Curtain, all of this, it's all in service of a one-world democracy, a one-world

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government. So we know from the jump this dude's all about that, right? Right out the gate

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Yeah, yeah. So look, the problem in the world, it seems external, but really it's within each

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and every one of us. All right. So Bill drops that on us and then, man, this guy, what a broadcaster

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But don't get down folks, all is not lost. The problem lies within each and every one of you

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and therein also lies the answer. I'm your host, William Cooper, and you're listening

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to The Hour of the Time

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That is a jarring turn from the air raid sirens and dogs

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They are all lying to you, but this song

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for the listeners, Dan is lip-syncing. Oh man, Bill Cooper is so much better at this than Alex

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Yes. And one of the things I've noticed from listening to his show is that he's not afraid

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to make his show a multimedia experience. Bill incorporates music into his show that has a

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thematic connection to the topic that he's covering. That indicates preparation. It indicates

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intention. He has a topic that he wants to cover and he's going to help drive his points home with

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artistic assistance. In this case, in his first episode of The Hour of the Time, Bill chose to

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open his show with the long-forgotten Beach Boys quote-unquote hit Make It Big from the Troop

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Beverly Hills soundtrack. The song was also on their 1989 album Still Cruisin' which was almost

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universally panned by critics as being trash. The review on Rolling Stone opens with this line quote

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If you've been waiting for the Beach Boys to hit rock bottom, the suspense is over

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Okay, that's a generous opening line. This was the album that included their cover of Wipeout

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featuring the Fat Boys. If that gives you some idea of what they were up to at that point. They

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weren't doing pet sounds anymore. That's true. That's true. I will give you that. In prepping

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this episode, I went back and watched that video for Wipeout and I can report that it's as

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embarrassing as I remembered it being. Oh, so they hadn't yet hit rock bottom. That was part of it.

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Anyway, the point here is that Bill is the kind of broadcaster who's down to open his show with a

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full song. He plays the full song in order to set the mood and I'm here to tell you that it rules.

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This kind of thing honestly makes me super giddy. Spending so much time as I do studying Alex,

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I'm like a man starving for someone who's trying and the fact that Bill opens a show like this is

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just awesome. Yeah. The way I feel about Alex Jones is that he's mostly checked out. He's going

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through the motions of trying to spin conspiracy theories, but he's too confused by his own ideas

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and he's in too deep that he doesn't even know what he's doing anymore. He can't be bothered

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to spend any time preparing. So he just yells convoluted nonsense on air, plugs his pills,

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gets a bit racist, then screams about the literal devil for a while. It doesn't necessarily feel

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good to demonstrate how he's wrong about stuff in 2019. It just feels kind of sad most of the time.

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It's incoherent. But Bill Cooper, here is a man deserving of my attention. Here is a guy who is

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trying. I'm going to stop just short of saying that I like Bill Cooper, but he's definitely much

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more serious and a competent person than Alex. And on some level, I definitely admire that.

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Even if I disagree with just about everything I know he believes. It's very close to you got to

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give it up to the Somali pirates. Very close to that. You got to give it up to Bill Cooper.

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He's opening up his show with a fucking beach boys song. Make it big. Yeah. Which I know it's

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probably confusing what I mean by thematic connection, but you'll start to understand it

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as we go along. Like when I was listening to it, I had the same response to you. I was laughing

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and I was like, what the fuck is he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. It's ridiculous. It wasn't a long

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walk from air raid sirens and dogs barking and fucking Nazis marching to the beach.

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That's not long enough. Right. And, and I have to think that Bill is in control of his show enough.

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It's on shortwave. You have payola going. He gets to choose exactly how he wants to present the

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show. And it's his first show on this a weekly or weeknight, a syndicated shortwave show.

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They like, how am I going to present myself? This is a, this is a statement song. Yeah. Although I

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do find it weirdly plausible that Dennis Wilson could like a half-assed, half-assed backwards

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his way into being like, Hey, there's this new show. It's got this really great host.

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You got to be on it. We just got to pay him a little bit, just a little bit. Yeah. And then

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it's like, we're going to start a war. You'll see, you'll see the theme. And I think it's

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just great. This guy, he gets it. He knows how he knows how to do radio. Okay. And I admire that.

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Okay. Cause I like radio. So the song ends and Bill gets down to introducing something that

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will be the theme of the episode. Although he doesn't, he doesn't get into it immediately.

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Again, it's another great broadcasting trick that Alex thinks he's doing, but he's not.

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Which is that Bill introduces the subject, talks about something else, then really digs into the

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subject. Right. Alex brings up and teases the subject, talks about other stuff, then forgets

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about everything. Yes. Thinks that he's gotten into the subject when he in fact has not. He

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really does believe that he's already taken care of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think what Alex is doing is

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almost a bad photocopy of this sort of show. Yeah. So here's Bill introducing the subject

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that we will be getting into a little bit later. Folks, all the problems are within us and all the

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answers are therein also. Silent weapon technology has evolved from operations research, or OR,

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a strategy and tactical methodology developed under the military management in England during

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World War II. And this will be the first that most of you have ever heard of it. We've got the

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tease. We have silent weapon technology that's been developed by OR operational research.

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There you go. We've got this. And now Bill starts speaking, starts just talking about the show

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itself. It's going to be unlike anything you've ever heard in your life. Well, already he's got

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a Garrison Keillor cadence to him, which I find so much more attractive to listen to than Alex's

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nonsense rambling. It feels also, I mean, in the same vein as I was saying that he feels like a

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real person, the way he speaks feels like a real person communicating. Yeah. Alex has all these

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affectations to his voice and like things like, this is ridiculous. We've been making fun of

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lately all the fake passion and stuff. Like all that stuff really takes you out of the moment

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when you're listening to him. Whereas Bill, he seems like he's directly communicating exactly

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how you would if you were talking to him. And there's something compelling about that as well.

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But this show will be unlike any other you've ever heard. So we've got the introduction to

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the thesis and now we get into the, this is what you're listening to. It will be unlike

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anything you've ever heard, almost a sales pitch on the pilot episode. And this is not,

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not any kind of a radio program that you've ever heard before in your life.

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For nothing is sacred here. And we're going to lay it all on the line. We're not going to beat

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around the bush. And I'm going to tell you something, folks. There's nobody here that's afraid

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of anyone or anybody or anything. We have no vested interest in a career in radio. So if we

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get thrown off the air, it's not going to bother us a bit. Therefore, we're not going to compromise

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what we say to stay on the air here, regardless of the pressure. This is why he started the show

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with make it big. This is the thematic like beneath the silent weapons theme that he's going

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to get to the, the sort of the topic of the lecture, as it were the other message that

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he wants to drive across is served by almost that song being farcical. Like the make it big

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is in service. We're not going to make it big. We're not interested in success.

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It's so good. This is so good. Yeah. It's the opening of pride and prejudice. It's

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you open with that line as an ironic aside. Yeah. It has a real impact. Like if you're listening,

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you're like, Oh, that's why you played that song or, or you don't notice it, but you get the,

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you get the subconscious. If you're critically examining it, you get it, but it's not, yeah.

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It might just like a roll off on you. And I mean, look, look, that beach boys album is terrible,

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but that song is pretty catchy. So anyway, uh, bill gets down to his standard admonition that

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he gives people. And that is don't trust anything that you hear. Not even on my show. I love it.

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Before I go any farther, though, I'm going to have to give you my standard admonition that all of

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those who have come to my lectures, who have read my book, everyone who has been listening to this

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show on satellite or on WWCR since its inception on the 4th of May, 1982, they already know this,

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but I know that there's many new listeners out there tonight. So I'm going to give you this

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admonition and you must obey it no matter what. You must not believe anything that you hear on

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this show or on the Chuck Carter show or on the Tom Valentine show or on Larry King Live

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or from the lips of Dan Rather or George Bush or Bill Clinton or anyone else in this entire world,

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whether you hear it on radio or on television or from the lips of someone standing right in front

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of you. But you must listen to everyone no matter who they are or what they are saying.

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That is the true mark of intelligence. Listen to everything. Believe nothing until you can prove

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you yourself. You must learn how to find the truth and prove it. If you can't do that, you might as

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well turn off your radio now. If you have to call someone else to ask if you should be listening to

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this show, you should turn off your radio now. We don't even want you to listen. So when he said

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that he's on WWCR before, it's my understanding that he had some form of a show but not week

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nights. Not this one. Yeah, not every week night at 11. So he was still a figure before,

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like Behold a Pale Horse. His big book was published in 91. He's been a gigantic figure

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since at least that point and even before that. But this is the launch of the nightly show. So

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just to clarify in case anyone heard that, I was like, what? Anyway, he's telling people not to

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believe anything. And this mentality is absolutely universal in conspiracy theory communities. But

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something that I find really interesting is how it plays out differently depending on the

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personalities of each individual conspiracy theorist. For instance, the way Alex presents

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this is by saying that everything he's saying has been proven. It's all declassified. It's in

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the white papers. The globalists admit it. Go ahead, look it up. He's basically suggesting

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that if you don't agree with him, you're uninformed. And if you go ahead and do the

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research he's done, you'll get up to speed and recognize that he's right. It's a strategy that's

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deployed to make his audience less likely to actually do that research and just to accept

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that he might be right or he must be right. There's no way he'd be so insistent that I

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researched these things if he knew that when I did, I'd realize he's making shit up. Yeah,

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it's basically just a bluff. I was thinking the exact same thing whenever he said that. I was

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like, this is the inverse of Alex saying that I know everything. You go look it up. Yeah,

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Bill's position is like you're saying, it's a little different, but ultimately the effect I

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think it has on an audience is the same. Yeah, I agree. If he's on air saying that you shouldn't

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trust anything that anyone says without researching it on your own, it kind of stands

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to reason that he himself wouldn't trust anything he hears without researching it on his own. And

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if you think Bill's credible at all, I would probably subconsciously accept that his research

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is good enough. In effect, telling people to be skeptical of everyone is a way of getting people

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to only trust you. It's an authenticity shortcut. And based on some of the stuff we're going to get

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into later, I don't believe that Bill practices what he preaches. The other thing that Bill's

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doing here is saying that if you aren't going to prove things for yourself, he doesn't even

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want you listening to the show. This has the effect of creating an inflated sense of self

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in the audience. Bill is straight up telling all the dumb followers to stop listening. So

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by definition, if I keep listening, I must not be one of them. Exactly. It creates an imaginary us

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versus them of like you insulate the audience with this. Like if you are still listening,

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then you must be one of the champion truth deducers. Yeah, you've researched everything.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, I think, I think the strategy and I don't know how much that's

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a conscious strategy, but that is the effect that you have on people with that sort of thing.

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Yeah. I think what's interesting about that, like that statement he made of don't trust anything

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anybody says without having researched yourself and all of those things, all of that sounds on

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a surface level to be fairly good advice. You know, you should have a skeptical mind. You should

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be capable of critically researching everything. Yeah. But at the same time within that statement

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is the stuff that makes it impossible. Like if you can't trust anyone on anything, then

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you don't have time. Exactly. Then you're, you're going to lose your mind. Especially if you take

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the other piece of advice that he has and is you have to listen to everybody. Yeah, exactly. Right.

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Which is also everything and don't believe anything that you will always be looking into

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things and you've got to consider too. This is 93. Yeah. The internet wasn't what it is today.

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Right. Right. Right. So actually the audience getting into some of this stuff would be a lot

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more difficult than it is, let's say for me to go back and look at this. Right. Right. Right.

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So in 93, I probably couldn't do a show critically deconstructing what he's talking about because I

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couldn't get my hands on some of the documents. Right. That he's referencing. But now it's all

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been photocopied scanned. It's all online. It's very easy to get to the bottom of like,

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Oh, this is bullshit. Yeah. In 93. I imagine too, that if you're the type of person who would tune

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into bill Cooper show the stuff that you would be looking up because of the limited availability

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of infinite knowledge would probably hew more towards the stuff that would reinforce bill

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Cooper's ideas. You might be driven towards certain data streams and information sources

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like Patriot message boards and shit like that that have the appearance of confirmation. Right.

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I think that's probably strategic. Yeah. Maybe not on Bill's part, but on that larger community's

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part for sure. Yeah, that is. And it's also really fascinating that idea of you should listen to

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everyone because you're going to trust yourself more. The information that you're going to

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research and look into is going to most likely be counter to the narrative that you passively

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hear all around you. So that also kind of insulates you from, you know, I am listening

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to everybody, but what I'm looking at, which I think is more important than whatever Dan

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fucking Rather says is, is something that I'm going to trust more than whatever the fuck Dan

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Rather says. Yeah. Yep. All of that is in the mix. Yeah. So we get back to Bill not wanting

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to make it big. He expounds on this a little bit more and he'll hear some fairly familiar

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refrains here. I told you that this was not any kind of a radio broadcast that you've ever heard

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or ever will hear anywhere else. You see, most radio personalities have a vested interest in

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maintaining their show on the air and going up the ladder career-wise and making a lot of money.

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None of those interests prevail here, I can assure you.

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Our interests are in saving freedom for the world. The only way that freedom can be saved

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for the world is if we can save the Constitution of the United States of America and save this

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country. So that sounds just like Alex. Yeah, but I believe him. I believe he believes it. Yeah,

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that's what I believe. There's an authenticity to him saying like, I am not looking for money.

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We're not trying to get rich here. Oh, absolutely. Alex, say that stuff and then do 40 commercials

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for krill oil and shit. So this money isn't about me. It's about bringing freedom to

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America. Whereas I feel a more authentic presentation from Bill. I don't think he is

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trying to get rich. No, I agree. I think he would have behaved much differently if he was.

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And he's not. I think he would have died differently. Certainly. So he's gotten his,

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we're not trying to make it spiel out of the way and now we get to the thesis. The thesis has

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already been introduced. There's these silent weapons and we now enter the lecture portion.

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Folks, let me continue here with the silent weapon technology that I began with.

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For after they developed this operations research and found out that it could be extremely useful,

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it was soon recognized by those in positions of power that the same methods might be useful

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for totally controlling a society, but better tools at that time were necessary. Better tools.

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All right. So silent weapons, I'm assuming we're no longer talking about silencers on guns. No,

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certainly not. No, this is much, much larger than that. This is an insidious,

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I'm going to go with global group of people. Yes. They needed better tools and it turns

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out what they needed in order to achieve this control over the entire population turns out

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it was computers. Social engineering folks, the analysis and automation of a society requires

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the correlation of great amounts of constantly changing economic information or data. So a high

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speed computerized data processing system was necessary, which could race ahead of the society

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and predict when society would arrive for capitulation. Relay computers were too slow,

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but the electronic computer invented in 1946 by J. Presper Eckert and John W. Mouchley filled the

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bill. So Bill is clearly reading something here. Even like first time through listening to this,

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I was like, absolutely, he's reading something. I'm not sure what it is, but we'll get to that

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later. For now, it's just relevant to point out that what Bill is expressing is that in order

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to control society, the elites needed to create computers, which could process data and tell where

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things were going in the future so they could plan ahead and be ready for the point when society

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catches up with their predictive calculations. Right. Alex talks about this a lot. He often makes

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obscure references to actuaries and how the globalists use their computer systems using

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social media to predict the future so they'll be able to know what to do in advance. I have almost

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no doubt that he's taking it from the same source that Bill is currently reading from because I've

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never heard Alex give a real source and it doesn't match up with the reality that I understand from

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what I've looked into the field of like modeling, statistical modeling and that sort of stuff.

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So I find this to be another real thematic piece of Alex's stuff that I've never really understood,

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but you're hearing it echoed in this show from 93 and Bill does give sources.

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Yeah. So what I'm finding already, the pattern that I'm picking up here just a little bit is

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he is much more likely to put a solid kernel of something that you do agree with surrounded by

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globalists. Like Alex does, Alex just lies for the most part.

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But that's what good conspiracy theorists do. All competent conspiracy theories start from a place

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of like universal truth. It's like we all feel like something's wrong and here's why.

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Yeah and this was only a year after the Unabomber so distressing technology is right on board for

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this group of folks. Sure but this actually has nothing to do with the Unabomber and something

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far more obscure but we'll get into it. Just the EUA bomber.

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Sure. So with silent weapons these elites are able to carry out what's known as a quiet war

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against the population. And what do you know? It started in 1954 and it was carried out by

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a name that's very familiar. The quiet war was quietly declared by the international

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elite at a meeting held in 1954 and the name of that group folks is the Bilderberg group.

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So now this is something interesting because Alex talks about how no one was talking about

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the Bilderberg group before he came along and started exposing this stuff. This is

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two years before Alex was ever on air. Here's Bill Cooper directly saying the guys who started

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a silent war in 1954 were the Bilderberg group. All of the things that he takes credit for

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are all things that either Bill Cooper or the larger Patriot community was already up in arms

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about before Alex got on air. He's just stolen the legacy of this guy basically. That's brutal.

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It is. It is. I mean, I don't want to lionize or like turn Bill into some kind of hero, but like

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he got done dirty by Alex. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I don't give a shit.

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I think both of their legacies are going to be shit, but I'm never not going to be like,

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you stole his shit legacy. And that's bad. Yeah. You could be, you could be a bad person

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and still get done wrong. That's what I see here. So the Bilderberg group, right? They see us as

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food. They see humans as food, which is another theme that you hear Alex talk about all the time.

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We're cattle. They just eat us. Although the so-called moral issues were raised,

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in view of the law of natural selection, it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will

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not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence.

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Such people are beasts of burden and stakes on the table by choice

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and consent, always have been and always will be.

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Consequently, in the interest of future world order, peace, and tranquility, it was decided

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to privately wage a quiet war against the American public with an ultimate objective

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of permanently shifting the natural and social energy or wealth of the undisciplined and

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irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined responsible and worthy few.

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So you're picking up what's going on here? Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just so distracted. I don't want to

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compliment this guy, but he's such a better broadcaster that like immediately after that

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first line, that pause was the right length of time. It was just so such a good pause.

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Well, he knows what he's going to do. Yeah. Like he had, like I said at the beginning,

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there's intention behind what he's doing as opposed to reactive flailing like you see from

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Alex. Right. I don't want to compliment him anymore. I'm going to try and compliment his

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broadcasting skills because he's obviously, certainly he, he's a more serious person.

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Yeah. For sure. Where did he get that quote from? What do you mean the stakes on the table? Yeah.

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We'll get to it. Okay. Okay. Obviously he's reading something. Yes, exactly. And

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it, he will say what it's from eventually, and then we'll talk about it, but for now

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it's something. Okay. You're keeping us in suspense. He's reading something.

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Okay. And it's all about these silent weapons. Sure. They're obvious to the trained eye,

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right? But you and I, we wouldn't, we wouldn't know. It makes no obvious explosive noises,

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causes no obvious physical or mental injuries, and does not obviously interfere with anyone's

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daily social life. Yet it makes an unmistakable noise, causes unmistakable physical and mental

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damage, and unmistakably interferes with daily social life, in effect unmistakable to a trained

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observer, one who knows what to look for. The public cannot comprehend this weapon and

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therefore cannot believe that they are being attacked and subdued by a weapon. The public

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might instinctively feel that something is wrong, but because of the technical nature

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of the silent weapon, they cannot express their feeling in a rational way or handle

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the problem with intelligence. Therefore, they do not know how to cry for help, and

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do not know how to associate with others to defend themselves against it. Dear listeners,

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when a silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts.

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This is classic conspiracy shit. There's this massive thing that explains everything,

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but it's only apparent to trained eyes like mine. This is just red pill rhetoric before

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The Matrix ever came out. It's an attempt to deal with a very real issue that what you're

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talking about makes no sense to anyone. It only makes sense to trained observers.

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The second part of that clip is also pretty standard conspiracy manipulation, like we've

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already touched on a minute ago. Every conspiracy generally starts from a fairly universal,

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or at least a feeling like it's universal, truth.

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Le probemelatique.

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Yeah. Many people feel like there's something wrong with the way society is structured.

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There are systematic problems that keep power in the hands of a particular class, while the

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rest of us are left to play games with our bootstraps. Everyone recognizes that that's

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not fair, and that there's probably a better way to go about things, but they aren't sure

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what the cause of the problem is. This is the feeling that a conspiracy theorist can

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work with. By providing an answer to that fundamental question, they're able to pass

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off anything they want as part of that explanation. Everyone feels like something's off, but they

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can't quite put their finger on it. The answer, of course, is a silent weapon system set up

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by the Bilderberg Group in 1954.

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That sounds right.

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There's a reason that Bill Cooper decided to cover this on this first episode on WWCR,

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and why it's the subject of the first chapter of his book, Behold a Pale Horse, which is

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what he's reading from.

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Gotcha. Okay. He's reading from his own book? That's kind of tacky.

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It's the first chapter of his book that's actually a republishing of something else,

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so the mystery is still not entirely solved.

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Okay.

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And the reason he's doing this is because it's something like a thesis statement. This

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is what's at the root of a lot of his conspiracies. The explanation for why things aren't the

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way they should be in society. It's a silent weapon system that's being deployed. And you

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can even hear so many wrinkles and shades of Alex in there. At the end, when he's saying

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when it's applied gradually, humans adjust. Alex talks about that all the time.

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Of course.

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All the time. Talks about meeting with globalists who are like, ah, public will acclimate to

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our evil. Everything is just like, oh, wow. All of these ideas are all just repackaged.

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So, you know, we're talking about this thing that people like Bill and Alex are able to

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manipulate from the starting point of feeling like something's wrong.

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Right.

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And what do you know? Bill meets a lot of people who feel that way.

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And that, folks, is the reason why when I travel around this country to get my lectures,

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I meet thousands of people who come up to me and say, Bill, something is wrong. Something

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is terribly wrong. I can feel it in my gut, but I don't know what it is.

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And that's why everybody is blaming George Bush, not realizing that Bill Clinton is the same.

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What's this?

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There we are.

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What's this?

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There we are.

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There we are.

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All political parties are the same. They're all controlled by the same people.

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Yeah.

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Cool. So, I mean, that's pretty thematic, too. And one of the things is like on the right wing,

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everyone imagines that everybody is partisans and GOP fans.

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Right.

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But these large figureheads, particularly in the patriot militia vein, are certainly not.

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Yeah, it's just government. It doesn't matter who's in there. It's simply the fact of government.

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And it remains to be seen if they would ever like a president.

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Yeah.

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Like maybe there are presidents in history that they've enjoyed more than others.

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Andrew Jackson?

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Maybe. But they, yeah, certainly in our lifetime, all of them have been bad.

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Yeah.

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One of the things I find really a tragedy is that, I mean, because Bill Cooper died in 2001,

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we have no idea what he would have thought of Trump. The mind reels, I don't think he would

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have been on board. I think he would have been a voice of very strong, like, fuck this.

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Yeah. I mean, anything 20 years ago, 20 years is a long time. I just don't know. We can't know,

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but I do think that if Trump was elected in 2012, Alex would have stayed against him.

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Yes.

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That's what I think.

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I, you're probably right. But I think also like, you're right. It is very difficult to tell

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because I think if you would have guessed at another point in time, you would have said,

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Alex never would have done that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And a lot of people change over years and be like, oh, your principles don't mean anything.

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Yeah.

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And maybe I'm just imagining the Bill's convictions were much stronger than they actually are.

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He sounds like it.

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He feels like it.

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Yeah.

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And the fact that he died because of his refusal to pay taxes.

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That one's tough. That one's tough to get around.

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And his insistence on being a real gun dick.

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Yeah. Yeah. That is interesting. I would be interested because I think I'm more interested

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to know how he would have dealt with the years of W.

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Sure.

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Like, I'm more interested in that kind of situation. Trump is a nightmare.

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I mean, we got a couple months of it maybe before he dies.

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Right.

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We can talk about his approach to W, but we'll see.

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So, in this next clip, Bill reveals the source material of what he's talking about.

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We will just open our eyes, our ears, and wake up.

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Stop believing what you're told and what you read and begin to find the truth for yourself.

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What I have just given you in this past half hour is just a couple of pages out of the first

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chapter of my book, Behold a Pale Horse.

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In that chapter, I published a document entitled Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, an introductory

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programming manual, operations research, technical manual, TM-SW7905.1.

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It is one of the documents that was prepared for the subjugation of America by a secret

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power group who wants to rule the world.

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Ah.

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Paz dispenser.

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So, a lot of the beginning of this episode has to do with Bill reading from the first

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chapter of Behold a Pale Horse, which he lays out his thesis, largely the foundation for

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this worldview.

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According to Bill, there's an evil group of elites who are waging a war that's called

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the Quiet War against the public, mostly, apparently, to control the economy.

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They want a completely predictable economy, and the only way to do that is to remove any

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instability or chaos from the public.

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The best means to achieve that is to entirely pacify and domesticate everyone to the point

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where even thinking of straying from the path is unthinkable.

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Everybody's cows.

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As the story goes, in 1954, Quiet War was launched by people like the Rockefellers and

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the Bilderberg Group, along with elements of the government, in order to achieve this

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goal.

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This story is largely based on a document that's taken on mythic importance in the anti-government

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militia worlds, a document I've heard Alex reference many, many times, even to the present

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day.

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Like, I heard him reference this document maybe a week ago.

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It's called Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.

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And Bill Cooper found it on 4chan, right?

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I might as well have.

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Dated May 1979, the document is meant to mark the 25th anniversary of the launch of the

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Quiet War, and to describe how said war is, how it's been going, what strategies it

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employs, and exactly what techniques have been used in carrying out this war.

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Oh, my God.

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Are they a decade behind?

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They might be.

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Tell me they're a decade behind.

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Oh, damn it.

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God, that would have been beautiful.

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Now, right off the bat, just the premise of this should be a gigantic red flag.

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And I love that you just yelled Pez dispenser, because it is very similar to the way that

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the protocols of the Elders of Zion makes no sense as an actual document.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You can argue that this document was meant to be top secret and all of that, but in what

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world does a super evil cabal put together a document that lays out literally all of

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their evil plans to enslave humanity just to mark the 25th anniversary of this plan

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being launched?

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That motivation makes no sense if you consider the actors at play.

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It's childish.

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We stole the PowerPoint presentation at the conference where they all agreed that we're

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going to do this evil plan.

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And we've proved it.

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Step two, murder all the people.

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All right, guys, next slide.

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Oh, shit, that got out.

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Step three, how did it get out?

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Did you leave Apple share on?

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Oh, no.

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Put simply, I do not believe that a group that was able to secretly control the world

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for 25 years would also be a group that decides to celebrate that achievement by writing

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down in clear writing how they've been secretly controlling the world for 25 years.

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Any group that would do the latter would be by definition incapable of carrying out the

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prior.

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Just does not make sense.

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Yeah.

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So Bill claims that he'd seen this document back in his days working in Navy intelligence.

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In fact, he backs up a lot of his claims with appeals to having seen or being aware of things

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through his time in that branch of the service.

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It's unclear if Bill was actually in Navy intelligence, but he definitely was a sergeant

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in the Navy and did serve in Vietnam and saw conflict combat.

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He got two service medals in 1969, but beyond these facts, the rest of the story just comes

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from Bill himself.

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He's claimed that he was discharged in 1975, but it's really hard to tell what's real and

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what's embellished.

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Given that it's definitely true that he's not making up his service and that he was

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in Vietnam, I'm going to err on the side of not questioning his time in uniform and just

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believe him for the most part.

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Yeah, this is no Stevie P's in Korea.

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We're letting this one, uh, yeah.

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It does not appear that he is just making shit up.

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Okay.

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However, there's a problem with his claim that he saw a copy of silent weapons for quiet

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wars while he was in Navy intelligence.

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And that is that it did not exist before he was discharged because it's 1979 was when

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it was written.

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He was discharged in 1975.

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I suppose he could say that the actual document is the 25th anniversary edition and he saw

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an older version of it.

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He got the first edition.

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It was signed by Rockefeller worth millions.

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I should tell you, there is no older version.

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Of course not.

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In 2003, a man named Hartford Van Dyke made a very credible claim to having written silent

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weapons for quiet wars.

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The document had been featured in a magazine called paranoia and having read their article,

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Van Dyke reached out to them by letter.

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It turns out that he'd already revealed himself as the author of the text on a radio show

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in 1996, but people didn't really take notice.

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And if you look at the surrounding details, it seems very likely that he was the author,

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especially when you consider the apocryphal story that goes around for how the document

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came into, in 1986, a publication called America's promise newsletter published in Arizona,

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which is where bill Cooper lived, printed silent weapons for the first time.

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It's probably worth pointing out that this newsletter was published by Lord's covenant

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church whose pastor Sheldon Emory was a high profile follower of the Christian identity

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movement.

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There we go.

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Weird how they keep popping up all over the place.

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They just keep showing up.

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Yeah, strange.

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Yeah.

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They're like herpes.

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Uh huh.

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In the intro to the document, they say it was quote founded an IBM copier that was purchased

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at a surplus sale.

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I'm sorry.

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What?

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So this document.

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What?

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So, okay.

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The globalist entire fucking Rockefeller Bilderberg plan somehow wound its way up in a fucking

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garage sale, surplus sale.

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I buy it.

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It's important that it's a surplus sale because the implication is that they cop they purchased

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this copier from the McCord air force base, which is nearby.

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And that the seller had just been too sloppy to remove the worldwide conspiracy demonstrating

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document that they just copied an input tray.

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Yeah.

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I don't believe that the globalists will leave that like, like somebody removing their wallpaper

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and finding a hole with Nazi treasures inside of it.

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It's like, that's not how it works.

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That's what you want.

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That's the story that they want to trigger in your brain.

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Yeah.

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But like it's, it's nonsense.

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It's an absurd story, but one that's very similar to other origin stories for bullshit

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documents.

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So many of these things have completely nonsense origin myths.

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Like how so many of Larry Nichols official documents are just things he found in his

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mailbox after giving out his address on Alex Jones's show a bunch.

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Yeah.

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I got a Larry Nichols is a ridiculous figure.

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He's just silly.

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All right.

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But I mean the same thing as the background story for, um, for the, yeah, absolutely.

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Ostensibly for silent weapons.

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That story is likely not true, but the story that Hartford Van Dyke tells is a bit more

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plausible.

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And that is that he was a real sovereign citizen type weirdo back in the seventies who was

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preoccupied with the idea that Roosevelt had foreknowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor

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and allowed it to happen to get the U S into world war II.

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Sure.

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This weirdly came up on our last episode from the present day of Alex Jones, where he was

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saying the Pearl Harbor was a false flag.

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I swear to God, you're a demon.

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We've already touched on this a little bit, but the narrative was popularized in 1944.

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When a book came out called the truth about Pearl Harbor by John Flynn, which definitely

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had a big impact on Van Dyke to refresh your memory.

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Flynn was a major player in the group called the America first committee, which I'm pissed

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off because I listened back to our last episode and I kept saying America first commission.

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No America first committee, they were a group who masked their antisemitism and support

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for fascism by calling it anti-interventionism.

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It would probably be unfair to say that the organization was pro Hitler, but they definitely

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were pretty vocal about how they weren't anti Hitler enough to think that good people around

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the world had an obligation to fight him.

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Yeah.

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The American first committee had dissolved when the U S entered world war II, but the

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people involved in the organization didn't just give up on their goals.

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And one of them was to paint us involvement in the war as being a part of the conspiracy.

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This large conspiracy, you scratched the surface about most conspiracy theories and out and

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out.

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Fascists seem to keep popping up.

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It's kind of weird.

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Yeah.

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So this guy Van Dyke, according to his telling of it lived in Hawaii, where his father's

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uncle had direct involvement in the events of Pearl Harbor.

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He told him about how Roosevelt had three dissenting military officials held at gunpoint

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until the attack had happened to prevent their ability to sound the alarm.

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That doesn't sound right.

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Van Dyke wrote a book called the skeleton and uncle Sam's closet about these and other

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Pearl Harbor revelations, presumably self-published back in 1973.

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Around this time, Van Dyke got his hands on a little book called a report from iron mountain

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on the possibility and desirability of peace, which conspiracy theorists believe is an

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official secret government report about how it wouldn't be good for the country to enter

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a period of long lasting peace.

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The document itself, the iron mountain document was released in 1967.

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And in 1972, a man named Leonard Lewin came out and revealed that he had written that

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report and it was meant as a work of political satire about how absurd think tanks are.

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Simply put, it was a hoax.

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Yeah.

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And one that suddenly probably became 100% real from some dumb think tank.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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Well, I don't know about that, but it became real to militia.

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Oh, for sure.

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But I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if like 20 years later, I think tank came out with

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the exact idea.

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In 1990, the Liberty Lobby, the organization founded by outright neo-Nazi and Holocaust

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denier Willis Carto began selling copies of that book, the iron mountain report.

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This prompted Lewin to sue the Liberty Lobby for infringing his intellectual property rights,

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a suit that he would have won, except that Liberty Lobby wanted to settle out of court

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and agreed to pay Lewin and stop selling his book.

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Sure.

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They likely settled because Lewin definitely had proof that he had in fact written this

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report.

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It's considered one of the most successful literary hoaxes of all time.

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And no serious person who has looked into it believes that it's real in any way.

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So anyway, Van Dyke read about half of this fake report from iron mountain and started

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to put some pieces together, which ultimately leads to the inspiration behind silent weapons

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for quiet wars.

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A very large part of his primary list of sources for silent weapons is references to the report

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from iron mountain, a literary hoax.

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Gotcha.

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In many ways, silent weapons is itself a hoax.

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It presents itself as an official internal document being used by people within a secret

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government program to familiarize new initiates into their program, but it's clearly not.

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To the extent that people believe that it's a real document, they're falling for a hoax.

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Although there's a very important distinction between this hoax and that of iron mountain,

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and that's a difference of intent.

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Lewin wrote iron mountain as a piece of satire to make people consider how absurd the arms

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race is and how we should consider the ways we could, as a society, transition to stable

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peacetime economies.

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It's a lampooning meant to make the reader think.

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Conversely, Van Dyke wrote this hoax to try and trick people into thinking that there

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was actually a secret government program that had been in place since 1954 to enslave the

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population.

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To the author, it wasn't satire.

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It was an expression of something totally real, and his intent was to persuade the reader

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to adopt his view of things.

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It's very different.

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So his motivation in writing that specific piece was to pass it off as a real document,

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right?

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Okay, so then that's strange to me.

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I guess what he's not...

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Because I feel like if you're piecing it together from other bullshit...

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What do you mean?

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If you're Van Dyke?

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Yeah, yeah.

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If you're piecing together your, like, this is what the enemy's plan is and has always

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been, and then passing it off as an official document from them, then you have to know

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you're lying, at least, right?

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Well, you would probably say I am lying in presentation, but what I'm saying is true

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to an extent that it doesn't matter.

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No one will take it seriously if I don't present it this way, but what I'm saying is true,

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so I present it this way in order to make a splash.

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Right, right, right.

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But it's a fundamental deceit, even from his part, in order to achieve the outcome that

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he desires, which is...

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Yeah, I think that's the way you could put it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

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But it's ridiculous.

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If you read it, it's just like, who would fucking believe this?

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Yeah.

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Like, one dead giveaway for anyone reading Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, something that

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really should tip them off that they're reading a conspiracy theory rant as opposed to a secret

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government product, is a section called, quote, theoretical introduction.

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This section begins with a most likely fabricated quote from Mayor Amschel Rothschild.

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Okay.

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The way this document obsesses over Rockefeller philanthropy and the Rothschild family is

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a gigantic red flag that speaks to its provenance, a red flag that all these dumb, dumb conspiracy

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theorists just seem to ignore.

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They're like, yeah, absolutely.

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Secret government programs would really talk about the Rothschilds a lot.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Why wouldn't they?

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Yeah.

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Another problem they overlook is how this supposedly real document ends like this.

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Quote, it's left to those few who are truly willing to think and survive as the fittest

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to survive, to solve the problem for themselves as the few who really care.

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Otherwise, exposure of the silent weapon would destroy our only hope of preserving the seed

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of the future true humanity, dot, dot, dot.

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This secret government document ends with an ellipsis.

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I love the government doc...

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Either that or the guy who's in charge of writing secret government documents has a

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novel hidden away somewhere that he's afraid to publish.

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He's an English major who just got into the wrong...

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It's a cartoon and he died while finishing the...

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Yeah, but the ellipsis is in blood.

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Yeah, okay.

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The secret government document ends with an ellipsis?

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That's ridiculous.

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It's just unbelievable that anyone would read this and be like, yeah, that's legit.

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Yeah.

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It just screams fake.

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Even if I had no idea that Van Dyke had made a pretty solid public case that he'd written

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it.

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So the main premise of Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars is that the elites want a completely

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predictable economy, and so they've used silent weapons to train the population into conforming

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to make them predictable.

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Sure.

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These weapons are things like paper currency, social welfare programs, advertising, public

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education.

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They're the inputs that the government creates, which then produce their desired outputs,

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like the government controlling everything and everybody being predictable.

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It begins as just being about the economy, this document.

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But before it's over, there's so many suggestions about technology and teaching revisionist

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history that the reader comes away thinking that these alleged silent weapons could be

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just about anything.

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Of course.

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And this is why Alex will sometimes use this document as a reference when talking about

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things like soft kill vaccines and 5G.

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These are also silent weapons.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The unfocused nature of what's being discussed allow this document to be used however the

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user wants it to be, which is another super awesome feature of conspiracy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a bit rangy and it doesn't really make sense as presented, but that doesn't matter.

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It caught fire in the Patriot militia anti-government circles because it confirmed what they already

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believed to be true, namely that the government had been carrying out a specific quiet war

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against the population for decades with the goal of enslavement, which can only be fought

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by fighting the government itself.

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The America's Promised newsletter published silent weapons in November 1986, and then

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Bill Cooper put it in his book, Behold a Pale Horse, published in 1991.

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And from that point on, it was conspiracy canon.

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And it definitely proved the existence of these secret evil government programs involving

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Rockefeller philanthropy and the dreaded Rothschilds, but none of it's real.

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It's just a work of a sovereign citizen who is tricked by a well-written piece of political

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satire.

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When you get down to the bottom of these sources of information for the larger umbrella of

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the worldviews that are put out by people like Bill and Alex, you see like, oh, there's

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nothing here.

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Yeah.

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It's like if the onion was the reason we had Q.

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Yeah, it might be actually true.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I always, I always think of like this just really gets to me whenever you have a guy

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like Bill Cooper starting your show with like, it's all about if you know what to look

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for.

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And I'm the guy and it's like, no, what you mean there is if you start with what you want

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to find and then start looking for that.

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You've trained your brain in a particular way to see certain things and now everything

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is filtered through that lens.

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Exactly.

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And like, this is why I was saying when he's saying like, you shouldn't trust anything

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unless you research it for yourself.

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Like, I don't think you practice what you preach.

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Right.

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Because this is the first chapter of your book, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.

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You don't, like in 1993, sure, Hartford Van Dyke hadn't come out and said on that radio

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show in 96 that he had created this document.

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Yeah.

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And whatever, but even so, if you read that, the Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, you definitely

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need much more concrete proof that this is real.

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And I'd find it hard to believe that over that time span, nobody with a gun, nobody

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with a critical eye had looked into it.

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No, true.

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And the other thing is that Bill claims that when he was in Naval Intelligence, he saw

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this document that couldn't have existed while he was in the Navy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So that part to me implies you're making that up.

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Right.

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Which is, which undercuts a lot of the authenticity that I feel he embodies.

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Sure.

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Because there's also things like that.

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Yeah.

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What was that?

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Was that whole cloth made up?

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My, my feel on that, my read on that is no matter what you want to say, you know, like

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it, it requires a significant amount of ego for you and I to do this show.

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Just the idea of doing a show at all requires ego.

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Yeah.

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But whenever you are the font of all knowledge, that requires a significantly larger amount

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of ego.

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Yeah, there's a grandiosity to it.

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And when you're, when you're that grandiose, it is impossible not to do that.

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It is impossible not to self-mythologize.

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Yeah.

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So I, I wouldn't doubt that he believes that he saw it, but that was like a retroactive

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addition to, you know, like when you remember, like when they do a true crime documentary

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and the neighbor is like, I remembered seeing all these weird things before it happened.

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And you're like, you're, you're making that shit up.

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You're revising your own history to.

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Yeah, that's a problem.

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Probably a good point.

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Like, and with these folks too, like I, I know I experienced it with Alex a lot.

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That's like, you've told this story so many times that you perceive it to be true.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So there's two more important points that I need to bring up about this document, silent

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weapons for quiet wars and the author, Hartford Van Dyke, that I think are really crucial

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to consider.

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The first is that report from iron mountain.

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Wasn't the only thing that inspired Van Dyke to write silent weapons from his letters to

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the editor of a paranoia magazine quote in late October, 1972, I met a man who gave me

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a copy of none dare call it conspiracy by Gary Allen, the book inspired me to write

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my own book.

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The book that he's referring to there is that book that he wrote about Pearl Harbor.

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None dare call it conspiracy inspired Van Dyke to write his first absurd conspiracy

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book.

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And then quote, during the last phases of that book's production, I began reading a

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book called report from iron mountain.

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According to his letters, he only got halfway through report from iron mountain, but then

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later he was reading a college algebra textbook for whatever reason and decided that the equations

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were similar to something he read in part of iron mountain.

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It's a completely nonsensical path for him to have taken, but that's what leads him to

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write silent weapons.

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He read part of iron mountain, then saw an algebra equation and decided he cracked the

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case on a secret government operation.

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The reason I think this is important is because once again, we find none dare call it conspiracy

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being the spark that sets off an explosion.

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While I'm sure Van Dyke was not the world's most critical thinker prior to October, 1972

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by his own telling of things, he read that book and it inspired him to create his own

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anti-government propaganda.

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This is exactly the path Alex tells of his own life.

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Reading none dare when he was like 12 opened his mind to the world of secret government

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shit and set him down the road that he continues down to this day.

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None dare call it conspiracy is a super dangerous book, but not because it reveals the truth

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behind the globalist secret plots.

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It's dangerous because of its rhetorical style.

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The way it's written is almost hypnotic.

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It relies on oversimplifications and excessive uses of repeated phrases that almost become

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a chorus within the text to the point where it clearly has the potential to negatively

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affect people who read it if they're a little bit suggestible or if they're not prepared

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to deal with what they're reading critically.

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While obviously not solely responsible for this phenomenon, I feel like in my experience,

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someone reading none dare and believing it is, uh, it is an act that prepares them to

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uncritically receive other anti-government information as fact.

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It primes the pump.

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Alex believes all kinds of completely fabricated things are true because they conform to the

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narratives that he's internalized.

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Van Dyke believed the iron mountain document is true because it conformed to the worldview

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he'd been initiated into.

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Even Richard Belzer is an example of this in our experience.

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I, I'm starting to feel like none dare call it a conspiracy is, is almost like the velvet

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underground and like not a ton of people have read it, but everybody who read it wrote their

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own crazy conspiracy theory book.

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So far Alex has written a book, Belzer's written a book, Van Dyke's written a book.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's, yeah, it, it, it's one of those things that like I never expected when we

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set out to do this show that it would pop up in such weird places and be so influential.

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And when I started to look into the silent weapons or quiet wars, I was like, ah, this

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guy, this story is wild.

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Like this, this, this is just some, some guy who had some stupid ideas wrote this.

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It's not a government document.

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This is based on nothing.

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Um, and I never expected like his interview would be like, I read none dare call it conspiracy,

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but the more I think about it and the more I experienced even the reading of that text,

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it's excessive the, the, the way they're like catchphrases and like appeals to very

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oversimplified logic that just drive home points in your head to the point where if

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you're reading it, it does get to be like a chorus.

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The chorus of the catchphrases are the things that Gary Allen wants you to internalize.

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Right.

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You do if you're not paying attention.

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He wrote a book in almost call and response.

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Yes.

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That kind of situation.

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Okay.

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Call and the response are both.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It, it's, uh, it's, the call is in the text and so is the response, but as you're reading

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it, you start, you give the response as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's like trains you.

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It's like Cab Calloway.

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Yeah.

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When you start in a new audio and everybody gets real comfortable with that and then it's

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you're just going to do that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But there is a, uh, I mean a lot of persuasive writing is sort of in that vein to, to, to,

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to a point, but none dare is far past.

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Uh, it's, it, it is like, I don't want to put it like too extremely, but I, I would

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be comfortable saying it's almost called brainwashing, uh, induction kind of stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Um, it's, I, and I, and the more I think about it and the more it pops up, the more I realize,

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like, I think we've just got to do an episode on no matter how long it ends up being.

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Cause I think one of the things that's held us back from doing it is like, it might be

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six hours long.

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Yeah.

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I think we just got to do it because I think it's probably important to address some of

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this stuff.

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Um, but we may get to that eventually.

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Anyway, the point is that this guy, that first point is the guy who's inspired heavily by

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non dare call it conspiracy.

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The second point I want to make is about why Hartford van Dyke was writing letters to paranoia

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about his authorship of silent weapons.

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Well, he's paranoid.

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Nope.

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It's because at that point in 2003, the only way he could communicate with anyone was by

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letters because he was in prison.

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I thought it was going to be in a forest.

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I was going, I was going the wrong direction.

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Van Dyke was at that time serving an eight year sentence for fraud.

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He and a co-conspirator had tried to pass off over $3 million in fake currency.

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Van Dyke also didn't pay his taxes for years.

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And when he tried to deal with it by sending the IRS $600,000 of his fake currency, things

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kind of escalated that that'll, that'll, uh, that'll color the defense team.

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I mean, according to an article in the associated press van Dyke quote claim to have placed

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three, uh, $33 million in liens against the judge's property, which is unfortunately a

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common sovereign citizen maneuver.

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I'm never not going to like the balls on these people.

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Yeah.

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It's something they do a lot.

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They like, they like to place fraudulent liens on things as a weapon.

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Sure.

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So Hartford van Dyke is a person with a well-documented history of very dumb beliefs,

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as well as fraudulent behaviors.

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He's exactly the sort of person who's MO matches up with someone who would write a

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document like silent weapons for quiet wars.

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And because he wrote so, uh, what he wrote closely matches up with what people like Alex

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and bill Cooper feel is how the evil globalists work.

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They've accepted it as gospel as an actual government document.

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This case study example is really, uh, it's a damning indictment of these people's

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ability to deal with sources instead of accepting that they've been fooled by a hoax.

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What they do is what so many people on their side of things do.

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They insist that every piece of information, uh, that proves, uh, that they're wrong is

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actually part of the conspiracy itself.

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Yeah.

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I remember, I remember whenever I still, uh, was, was young and, uh, uh, idealistic and

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I would get into these long email exchanges with my dad about how stupid, uh, some of

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his conservative beliefs were.

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And I remember this one exchange in particular was me just sending him to all of these

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articles and looking at how many words were hyperlinked.

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And then he would send me the response to it and there were no words hyperlinked and

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there were no sources.

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And I'm like, you realize the difference there.

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And he was like, I don't believe your sources and well fucking fine.

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That's it.

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Then we can't agree on a baseline.

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Exactly.

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What's the, then we're done.

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You know, the other thing that you hear a lot is like, yeah, okay, sure.

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Hartford Van Dyke wrote that, but everything in it is true.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Well, he was channeling the truth on that larger point.

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Absolutely.

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Isn't true that it's a government document made by the secret program.

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Right.

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And you guys all say that it is the reason it has credibility to you is for something

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that's not true, right?

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So if you guys, right?

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You guys, you could seriously theory.

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Yes.

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If you led with a weirdo wrote this, I don't think people would carry the same way.

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You don't think as many people would be convinced.

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Right.

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And that's why you don't do that.

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And also there's a lot of Nazis and fascists lurking around in the background of all this

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stuff.

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That is why weird.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why.

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I don't know why there's all these Christian identity, uh, people poking their head up

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publishing this newsletter.

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I don't know why this guy is inspired by Gary Allen who worked for the George Wallace.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like, I don't know why it just seems like all of these conspiracy theory trails seem

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to lead back to people who are either Nazis, segregationists or, or both.

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You know, something that I've been, uh, wrestling with is, especially with all this

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conspiracy theory stuff is not that these guys don't want a one world government.

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It is that they would rather a one world government run by one guy than by 20 guys.

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Like it's a, it's a almost individualistic, like I want a Supreme leader who can cut

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through all this bullshit thing.

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I'm sick of all these globalists discussing things.

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Fuck.

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They certainly don't like discussion.

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Yeah.

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But I will agree with you on that.

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It does seem like every, every one of these conspiracy theory movements really focuses

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on the, the number of people that gets everywhere, the building, all that stuff.

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I think, uh, some of it comes down to, and this would be oversimplifying it.

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So please don't take this as like me saying this explains everything.

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But I think there is a strain of it that is like, well, you know how the European union

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works, you know, there's all these countries and there's free travel between them.

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Yes.

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You can just go wherever you want to go with your EU passport.

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So if there's a one world government, everybody can go everywhere.

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Yeah.

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Ooh, that's a good point.

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And that would be like really bad for these people who don't like minorities, non white

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people being around.

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That is a really good point.

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I know that that's not everything.

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That's not the whole story, but it would be ludicrous for us not to accept that that

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is some part of it.

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Now, I don't think that that's bill Cooper because I, uh, from a lot of the stuff that

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I've listened to him, he seems pretty emphatically non racist.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if he has, I, I don't know if it's fair to say that, uh, he doesn't hold

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racist beliefs, but he is pretty vocally against racism.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know.

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He doesn't strike me as somebody who's one of those white nationalist D types.

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But I do think that there is a large contingent within the people who are afraid of a one

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world government that once that is in place, it's not so much that there's nowhere I can

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go to escape the world government.

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It's that everyone else can come to me.

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That's fascinating.

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I don't think I ever took it that far as to what their fears of a one world government

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would be.

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But why do you think they obsess about immigration and demographic numbers and shit?

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I just don't, I just don't get how they don't also include geography as a, an impediment

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to this whole, Oh, we get rid of borders.

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So that means everybody's going to come here because it's the best.

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And it's like, nah.

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Anyway, um, bill, uh, has spoken his piece, uh, about, uh, this silent weapons for quiet

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wars.

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And so have I, it's nonsense.

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And his first episode, the first chapter of behold the pale horse, largely a thesis statement

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that's meant to prove that this conspiracy exists is bullshit.

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Right.

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So congratulations.

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So we're off to a good start that coming out the gate hot.

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Yes.

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But if you don't believe in a lot of the stuff that bill does, you're probably a sheeple.

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You're probably a sheep.

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That does sound right.

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Um, and bill has a quiz for you to figure out if you're a sheeple.

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Yes, please.

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Well, if I know people, there's a lot of you sitting out there shaking your head saying

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that doesn't apply to me.

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I'm not one of those people.

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Well, let's find out folks and don't shoot the messenger because you can never solve

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a problem unless you can stare it in the face and recognize it for what it is.

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And in this case, it's us.

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Let me just ask you a few questions to find out if you are really sheeple or not.

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The first question is, do you believe in and support the purpose and the article itself,

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the second article in amendment to the constitution of the United States of America, the right

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of the people to keep and bear arms?

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If you do, you would resist always any efforts to force Americans to register their guns,

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wouldn't you?

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No.

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Well, I wouldn't have and will and never will I register my weapons.

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So that seems to be the only question in this quiz is, uh, are you the only question in

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this quiz?

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He might've had other subtler questions, but I didn't catch them.

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It seems like it's just, uh, if you believe in the second amendment, you're not a sheep

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right.

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So, I mean, he was a pretty big gun absolutist in the same way that Alex is.

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So you have another, uh, thing there and the way he discusses some of these gun beliefs

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are also very reminiscent of ways that Alex, uh, experiences gun issues that are, that

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seem out of lockstep with what you see as the right you see as the GOP law.

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Well, let me ask you if that's true.

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If you believe that, and if you would never register your guns or support any move to

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register our weapons, do you belong to the NRA?

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And if you do, why?

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Because let me tell you something right now, folks.

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If you belong to the NRA, you have already registered your guns.

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How does that grab you?

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Bill Cooper, much like Alex Jones, is anti NRA.

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Yeah, especially Alex has gotten more into the NRA in like very recent days, but Intel

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fairly recently and in his early career, he was very anti NRA.

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He was very into people like Aaron Zelman's organization, juice for the preservation of

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firearms ownership and Larry Pratt's gun owners for America, gun owners of America.

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He was very much against the NRA.

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He felt like they were a gun control organization as opposed to being, and that is not something

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that's very consistent in the right wing except for this right wing.

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So is Bill Cooper's main point here that if you are a member of the NRA, you are revealing

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to the government that you have guns.

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Thus, you are basically registering your guns.

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That's one big part of it.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Absolutely.

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That is where these lists will be already compiled for the government.

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And the other part of it is an argument that he has about the NRA misleading what gun ownership

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is for, which he gets into in this next clip.

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Yet they're still sending out those notices to try to recruit new members.

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And if you notice, boy, they're really trying to get every gun owner in the country to register

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their guns by joining the NRA.

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They're even offering prizes to the members who bring in the most new members.

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Like the KKK.

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The legislature says, join the NRA and protect your right to hunt.

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You know, it's going to be easy to get rid of the guns, folks, if they can convince the

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legislatures to pass laws protecting animals, and gun ownership is connected with the killing

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of those animals.

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I wish somebody out there, besides the very few of us who are doing the thinking, would

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begin to think along with us.

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So that is very similar, too, to Alex's conception.

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Yeah.

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You know, mischaracterizing gun ownership as a being about hunting can lead to a way

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to take away guns.

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Yeah, our enemy is playing four-dimensional chess, wherein they're supporting us with

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their controlled opposition in the NRA, who gets everybody to register their guns and

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tie it to hunting.

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And then a legislature that is under their control also is going to say you can't hunt

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anymore, thus removing the needs for guns.

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Instead of attacking guns, they attack hunting.

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And then, yeah, because how you kill these animals, it's so cruel.

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Oh, man.

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It's like a trick play in football.

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And that also largely explains why there is such opposition to things like licenses for

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hunting and game restrictions and seasonal poaching rules and shit.

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Yeah, because that's all just an attack on guns by virtue of the characterization as

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guns being about hunting.

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Right.

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It's all very weird.

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It's fun how sovereign citizens think by imagining an enemy that is so incredibly devious

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and intelligent.

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They themselves are devious and intelligent, while at the same time not realizing that

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their enemy's devious intelligence manifests itself in really stupid plans that don't make

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any sense and wouldn't work.

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And I don't think that outside of some pretty far out circles, people have a problem with

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hunting within reason.

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Like, you obviously don't want to kill a population of animals like deer or something.

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Right.

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But there is a part of nature that you can be a part of.

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Yeah, some people are at least capable of saying, OK, if we hunt all the deer away,

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I won't be able to hunt next year.

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And there will be ramifications for the larger ecosystem.

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Exactly.

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And then I won't be able to hunt that and I won't be able to do that.

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They can understand that naked self-interest and how regulation is good.

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Yeah, I think a lot of people, I think generally people are in that boat.

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I'm not sure that I know of too many prominent voices that are like, no one should

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hunt anything.

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Yeah, I might be wrong, but I don't think I hear that argument too much.

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The bigger point is that Bill has this gun position that is very similar to Alex's early

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gun position.

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So there's just it's everything.

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Yeah.

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Almost everything is like, oh, this is this is this is like this is Alex.

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And obviously Alex could hear Bill Cooper for sure.

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Of course he was.

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Yeah.

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I mean, when he had Bill Cooper on his show, he said as much.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, yeah, in this next clip, we find out that Bill has a little bit of an organization that

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he runs and it might explain why he has some bad information coming in.

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Folks, if you'd like an information packet and what we're all about, what we have to

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offer, some of the available material that we have, if you'd like information about CAJI,

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the Citizens Agency Joint Intelligence, which is an organization that I started years ago

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and it is at this moment the largest civilian intelligence gathering

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organization in the world, and it's also the most successful.

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And a lot of the information that you're going to hear on this program comes from the efforts

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of hundreds, sometimes thousands of unsung heroes who prefer to remain in the

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background, who are constantly gathering and sending information to our central clearinghouse

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where we are in the process of assembling two puzzles.

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One is the deception, what they want us to believe, and the other is the truth.

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So Bill has the Citizens Agency Joint Intelligence, which is just his fucking

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listeners and weirdos sending him information.

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That's not a good clearinghouse.

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That's not a good system.

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No, I would first give people a taste for about one cent and then go from there.

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This is only a good system if you have intensely rigorous standards in place for scrutinizing

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that information.

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You need to have a default position of everything that comes in is bullshit or else what you're

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doing is just saying like, hey, sometimes strangers send me things and I believe them.

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Yeah, which he literally said his whole thing is I have a default position of everything

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is bullshit.

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But based on that, I don't believe that.

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Exactly.

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I don't believe it.

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He believes silent weapons for quiet wars is real.

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So I don't believe that you could handle a clearinghouse of information that has tons

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of people sending you shit.

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Nope.

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So you got to seek the truth, though.

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That's the message.

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Or have people send the truth to you by mail.

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That's seeking it.

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Seek ye the truth and the truth shall set you free, folks, and nothing, nothing else

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in this world will do it.

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Nothing.

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And to find the truth, you cannot believe what anyone else tells you, not even me, not

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even your mother, not the President of the United States, not Rush Limbaugh, especially,

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not anybody, not your best friend, for we're all manipulated.

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We're all misled.

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I'll say.

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Wow.

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Now I'm starting to think this guy's hurt.

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There is something hurt.

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We're all misled is a really fun thing to say about your best friend.

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Well, no, I mean, we're all misled at the end of this episode about a document that

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he was misled about.

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Yeah.

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Like it's one thing to say we're all misled and none of us are perfect and and that that's

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that's all good and well.

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Sure.

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It's another thing to say that sort of like glibly and just be like as a toss off on an

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episode that you're misled about.

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Yeah.

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Would you if you're Bill Cooper, would you make silent weapons for quiet wars the first

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chapter of Behold a Pale Horse, use it as the source material for the first episode

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of the Hour of the Time.

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Yeah.

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And then a month later, let's say like, guys, I was misled about that.

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Right, right, right.

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No, you would never do that ever because this underpins too many.

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It's a keystone of the the building of anti-government paranoia that you're building.

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You can't afford to question this.

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Right.

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So no, I don't believe I don't believe the premise at all that you got to seek the truth.

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Yeah, I don't believe it.

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Yeah, that is it is always interesting whenever so much of what he says is based on stuff

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that again, you know, we're all aware that something is wrong and I get where he's coming

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from and I get what he's trying to do.

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But unfortunately, his entire theory is built on something that's factually inaccurate.

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And so no matter what, from there on out, it's color.

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You know, it's like if Paul was a Satanist.

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It's building a house on sand.

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You are the rock of my church, the devil, you know, like.

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Yeah, it's yeah, you have your presumably honest work and digging that's based on a

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hoax that was inspired by a hoax.

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Yeah.

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So what do you do?

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Yeah, if you pointed your quote unquote rigorous mind beginning from a place of reality or

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truth.

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Yeah.

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Maybe we wouldn't get there.

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Maybe he'd be a weirdo militia that believed reality.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if that's possible.

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That's a good point.

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So, Bill, in this next clip expresses that it's an interesting approach towards broadcast

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that I think Alex probably also believes.

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So if you want to hear what you cannot and will not hear anywhere else, I don't care

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who it is or what they profess their politics are, how loyal they are to the Constitution,

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you will not hear anywhere else what you're going to hear on this show.

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And you need to hear it, just like you needed to hear what you heard tonight.

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And if it made you angry, then I have accomplished one of my goals.

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Because you can't stir people to action unless they have strong feelings about what you say.

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I think that Alex has a very similar approach.

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First of all, that you're not going to hear any of the stuff that I talk about anywhere

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else.

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Yeah.

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Certainly.

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That's in line.

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Then the other, I want to inspire strong emotions in you.

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Alex talks about that all the time, about how he's, you know, I got a gravelly voice,

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I'm abrasive because I'm trying to wake you up.

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Yeah.

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I'm trying to evoke an emotion in you.

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And I disrespect that to an extent.

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I mean, I think, I don't know, I don't know if it's always wrong, but when it's based

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on lies, I think it's very wrong because you're trying to short circuit.

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You're trying to take a shortcut in people's brains to get them to override their critical

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thinking skills while all you're doing is talking about how important critical thinking

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is.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they're, they're, they're cheating the game, but there is a, there is, it is

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true that you cannot inspire people to mass action without an emotional element that,

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you know, that the women's March doesn't have as many people as it does if there isn't

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a strong emotional connection to what's going on.

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Because it's real, that strong emotional connection isn't there overriding the critical

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thinking.

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It's there as a compliment.

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Yeah. Yeah. Or even a result of it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I, and I just think that, I think that the strategy leading with that being the strategy

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of evoking an emotional response is...

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It should go the other direction.

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It's probably not good.

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It's, it's probably a dishonest strategy at its core.

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Yeah.

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If you want, if you want good things to happen, it has to begin with critical critical

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thinking that leads to an emotional response.

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Ideally.

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By, you know, by looking at certain policies that are like, you know, there's no immigration

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at the very beginning, you know, Iran, none of these people can come in.

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Right.

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And there's no critical thinking there.

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It's just like emotion.

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I don't feel like these people are good, so they have to go out.

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Yeah.

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Whereas people's reaction to that is, no, what you're really doing is trying to exclude

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an entire religion from this country, and that gives me a strong emotional reaction,

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not the emotional reaction being bad, you know?

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Yeah.

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But if you listen to Hour of the Time and you have a strong emotional reaction and it's

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positive, then that's great because you're just going to dig deeper in and find the truth.

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And if you have a negative, angry, if you get angry, that's good too.

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If you're angry at what you've heard, you will do anything to try to prove that what

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you hear on here is wrong, and some of it you will, because some of it will be wrong

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because we are only human beings.

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But most of it will always be right on the money, and when it is, it will turn you around

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and you will begin to realize that you are beginning to think for yourself.

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And that's a revelation.

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I'm right 99% of the time.

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I heard exactly that.

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You know, sometimes I'm wrong, but you know, even then, later on, it turns out I'm right.

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And also Bill excludes one possibility, and it might be a very rare response to his show,

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which is delight and the desire to learn more about the things he's talking about with

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a skeptical eye that is not angry nor delighted, not like overjoyed.

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It's a very rare response, but it's the one I have.

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And it's probably not good for his bottom line, although I'm not sure he's concerned

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about that in 2019.

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I doubt it.

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I doubt it.

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I wonder how his estate's doing.

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I don't know.

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Probably, it probably was bankrupt when he died because of all the money he owed the

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government.

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Even if it wasn't bankrupt, the moment the government was like, oh shit, you owe us a

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lot of money, it was then bankrupt.

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Yeah, so he's winding down here and giving this dismount that is like the, you know,

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we're going to stir up strong emotions.

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And if you hate me, you're going to dig into this.

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And most of the time you're going to find him, right?

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Sometimes I'm wrong, maybe about gigantic things.

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Well, I mean a big thing.

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We're all human.

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Yeah.

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He likes to imagine that the things he's wrong about is a date or, but it's no, this

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document is fake.

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That's the thing you're wrong about.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I said JFK died on the 24th.

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Fuck you.

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Yeah, no, it's not superficial details you're wrong about.

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It's the whole thing.

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It's not like, I'm sorry, it was Lee Harvey Oswald by himself.

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I apologize.

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I thought it was the Russians or whatever.

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None of this is to say that like the government's on the up and up and like everything they

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do is good.

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But it's to say that this conspiracy that undergirds like so much of the militia paranoia,

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the, the, the one world government fears is based on a hoax.

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It's bogus.

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There's not really strong evidence of any of this.

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So as the dismount goes on, Bill announces that every Wednesday is going to be a special

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show on his broadcast.

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Wacky Wednesdays?

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Yeah.

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Every Wednesday night we're going to devote to that, that criminal organization known

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as the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Reserve, which is really the parent

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organization.

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You see, the Internal Revenue Service is just the collection agency for the Federal Reserve.

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Anyway, you're going to learn about it all.

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That's something that's not true, but it's something that Alex Jones believes.

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He talks about it all the time.

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The IRS is just the collection arm of the Fed.

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Yeah.

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I can see the seeds of his own destruction sown in this exact statement.

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Yeah.

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So I mean, there's just constant, constant like, sort of like beliefs that are like,

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that's not real, that Alex has that you can just trace back almost directly to things

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that Bill Cooper preaches.

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So this is the last clip, and I think it also is another thing that Alex has in his repertoire

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that Bill probably has a little bit more, but also I believe that's because Bill was

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a little bit less of a coward and he was not trying to make it big.

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Is there a conspiracy?

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Yes.

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Are we being manipulated and controlled and guided into a new world order and a new world

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religion?

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Yes.

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Is there a group in charge of this who's been in charge all along who are bringing this

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about?

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Yes.

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And I can tell you folks, they're as old as man.

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They are the followers of an ancient religion that has persisted even unto this day.

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Oh no.

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And these are just some of the things that you're going to learn in the future.

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Please don't say it.

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Of this show, the hour of the tone.

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So Bill...

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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Sorry.

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It's esoteric mystery religion culture.

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Okay, sorry.

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It always comes back to juice, man.

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It always comes back.

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And far be it for me to say that he's not somebody who also uses anti-Semitic tropes

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to characterize his villains.

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I've not listened to enough of him to have a larger sense of that.

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And nothing has stuck out to me as overt as a lot of Alex's stuff.

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But the episodes that I have heard where he talks about this, it's straight up like Babylonian

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mystical cult.

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Oh, okay.

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So it's, but it's the point that I'm trying to make with this is that like, Alex clearly

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believes that as well.

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And in present day, he talks about how everyone's demon possessed and it's all this, the devil

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is an operating system that's lived on forever.

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And, and all of the history has had all these, you know, these, it's very similar in a lot

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of ways.

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But Alex, when he was starting up and even into fairly recent times has all been like,

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nah, that's all mumbo jumbo bullshit because he wanted to differentiate himself.

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Bill does talk about UFOs.

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Bill does talk about this esoteric mystery religion stuff.

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That's at the core of all this.

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Yeah.

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And Alex clearly believed that too.

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Yeah.

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Didn't want to admit it because he didn't want to be treated like that.

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He didn't want to be put in a box that was like, oh yeah, you're a UFO guy.

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Oh, you believe in a lizard people.

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You believe in mystery cults from 2000 BC that are still running the world.

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He didn't want to be treated like that because on some level he knew that that was silly.

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He wanted to be like, no, I'm just a meat and potatoes guy.

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I'm just the guy who's out here talking about hard concrete facts, documents, you know,

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that's, that's the presentation that he wanted.

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But as time has gone on, that mask has slipped a ton and you can see that even this,

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this sort of mystery ancient cult shit is something that he believes too.

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And he probably always has.

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Yeah, it does.

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Bill was not afraid to wear it on his sleeve.

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Yeah.

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It does seem like if I was listening to the show with an eye at his, at his age,

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with an eye towards getting into this kind of thing, it's a real short leap to go,

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okay, I'll do his show.

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I'll reign in some of the weirdness.

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I'll add some more bombast to counteract that.

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You know, since I'm talking about less crazy ideas, I'm going to add more crazy antics

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to balance that out.

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And then I got the show.

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I don't know if the crazy antics were even that much of his earlier show.

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I guess some of the, the, the, the bombast of just like, just the yelling and the, the,

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the massive energy as opposed to everybody knows that it's going to go down.

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It's not something that I would ever think is a, like an intentional choice, but you

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could, you could easily see a way for you to fit into the market.

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Yeah, for sure.

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By taking a lot of the stuff that Bill does, taking a lot of the elements of this and repackaging

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it a little bit.

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Maybe he had to give his dad a detailed business plan of how he's going to do Bill

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Coper's show before he got that initial loan.

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Could be.

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So I love this show.

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Yes, I know.

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I know.

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I find it to be fascinating because Bill Cooper is trying.

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It's refreshing to see a person who has a point.

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He attempts to make it.

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And even if the point he's making is dumb and the evidence he has for it is a hoax,

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he's still trying.

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Yeah.

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Regardless of the reality or unreality of the point he is trying.

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And there's a measure of competence to what he's doing.

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Even if the competence isn't in the research or the sourcing or anything, the presentation

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is competent.

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The thing I'm struck by is how much of a statement Bill is making in this inaugural episode and

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how complete the message is.

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Most of the episode is about how there's a secret war against the public, which Bill

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is committed to fighting against.

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That's a point that requires some support.

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So Bill provides the underlying evidence for his claim, namely the silent weapons for quiet

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wars document.

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It's not real, but if it were, then he would have made an argument and supported it with

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evidence, which is exactly what a show like this is supposed to do.

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He's doing his job in a way that Alex refuses to or is unable to.

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Absolutely.

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But there's more to the statement than just that.

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There's another statement being made, and that's served by the musical cue that he chose

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for the intro.

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Bill Cooper played the Beach Boys, Make It Big for a Reason.

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That wasn't just some arbitrary station choice.

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That wasn't a single.

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It wasn't played on the radio.

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And the album it came from came out three, four years prior to when this episode was

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recorded.

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Bill chose that song to be played in the introduction for this first episode because it speaks to

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his philosophy.

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From the lyrics, quote, have a little faith in yourself in everything that you do.

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You know you're going to make it big if you want to.

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If you really want to, you can make it big.

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In the song, those lyrics are about becoming a big movie star and seeing your name in the

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bright lights.

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But Bill is using the song to flip the meaning.

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It's parody.

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He's using the song about becoming a star in the entertainment industry to make a point

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that he doesn't want to be a star and never will.

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The fact that he's out here talking about silent weapons for quiet wars make it impossible

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that they will ever allow him to make it big.

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The very idea is a farce.

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But he has a little faith in himself and everything he does.

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So Bill Cooper is going to make it big, but he's going to make it big on his own terms.

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It's really remarkable.

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Between his actual words and stylistic choices in this episode, Bill shows you who he is.

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Yeah.

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It's good radio.

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It is.

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It's kind of infuriating.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of infuriating on a certain level, just as like the grass is always greener.

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Kind of like we spent three years talking about that asshole whenever this asshole was

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available.

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What are we doing?

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But I don't know if we'd have as much ability to wrestle with a lot of this stuff if it

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wasn't for that.

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No, that's what I mean when I say the grass is always greener.

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That's not to say that this show is going to become all the hour of the time, all the

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time.

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But I want to pursue this.

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And I have been listening to a ton of him, and I'm going to keep listening to it because

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it really intrigues me.

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And I think that you see, because we spent as much time with Alex, and we have such a

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familiarity with a lot of his rhetoric and a lot of the choices that he makes, going

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back and listening to this stuff, you just see the blueprint.

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You see the things that Alex has stolen, the things that Alex would never own up to being

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like, this is where I got this idea from.

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For sure.

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And I think the more I listen to Bill, the more I'll be able to be like, oh, that's what

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Alex says, but he never provides a source.

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He'll provide sources.

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Right.

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They'll be able to track down a lot of this stuff.

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It's almost cross-referencing Alex Jones.

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Yeah.

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I think we'll be able to do that.

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And I think that that will be a much more fun, wacky Wednesday thing.

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Yeah.

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And because, as we mentioned at the end of this, Bill does talk about aliens and Bill

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does talk about a bunch of stuff that fits into the wacky canon.

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I'm in for it.

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So this will be, I believe, the most fertile ground.

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And it won't be a situation where we'll have to be cruel to the callers to Coast to Coast

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AM.

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Right.

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We can just enjoy the man who made Alex possible and learn a bit more.

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I think it serves all our purposes.

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Yeah.

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You know, we were talking about this just slightly recently of just like, I now agree

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with you when you said, I don't agree with Bill Cooper, but I do feel like I could sit

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down and talk to him.

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Yeah.

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I couldn't talk.

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I couldn't sit down at a bar with Alex and talk at all.

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He's not a person.

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No.

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Well, he is a person, he's a human and he has rights and all that, but he doesn't live

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or he doesn't appear to live as a full, more than a character sketch.

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Yes.

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The way he carries himself and like you see it in interviews on his own show, videos that

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he shoots out on the street.

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And then certainly all of those situations are performance spaces.

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Yeah.

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So you could make the argument that, hey, once the camera's off, he is a completely

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different person.

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He's thoughtful, considerate, all that.

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Like you could make that argument.

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I don't believe it, but you could say that.

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I see Bill as much more of a full human.

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Yeah.

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Like someone you could have a beer with.

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Yeah.

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It is, to me, just like comedy wise, you can tell, or I can tell doing it so long is just

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like when somebody walks up on stage and they start talking, I'm like, that's all bullshit.

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It's an act.

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That's fucking bullshit.

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And then you can tell when somebody walks up and they're being genuine.

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Yeah.

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And you're like, got it.

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Almost instant.

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I felt that with Bill.

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Yeah.

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And, and, uh, you know, that, that whole, like, uh, you could have a beer with them

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is so used by like trying to rationalize Bush and war criminals in general.

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Certainly.

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And there's an element to that.

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Like, like I said, there's tons of Bill's opinions that I would disagree with him aggressively.

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Were we to have that.

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Right.

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But I think that he could engage in that conversation.

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I do too.

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Now.

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I don't think that it would be great if we sat down and I'm like, Hey Bill, silent weapons

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is fake.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how that beer would go, but it feels like there could be a conversation.

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Whereas Alex would just yell at you and eventually talk about how you're a devil and I can see

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it because you have a cross eye.

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Yeah.

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Alex runs away.

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Alex at that bar is a coward who would run away from a actual conversation.

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Most likely.

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And I think Bill would lean into it and be like, okay, let's figure.

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Now let me tell you what's come into cadgy.

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Yeah.

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All right, Bill.

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I got a, I got a letter.

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All right, Bill.

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I'm through beers deep.

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Let's hear about cadgy.

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It's signed by the president.

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That means it must be real.

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All right, Bill.

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So yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

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And I find a, one of the reasons I wanted to give myself this gift is like, I need, I

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need things to inspire me.

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Like, and I've realized that the things that I'm most interested in are the things that

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give us a larger understanding of the propaganda and the media specifically that are at the

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root of a lot of this Patriot militia anti-communist right wing world.

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And with Alex, it's so muddy now, especially in the present day, because everything has

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become so anyone can create their own media.

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So there's hundreds and hundreds of dumb YouTube shows that are all espousing very similar

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messages, but back in the nineties, there wasn't, there were only a few shows, like

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a lot of them were on this WWCR shortwave broadcast, but in terms of ones that are influential,

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a lot of people don't remember and never would remember a lot of these other shows because

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no one was listening to them.

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But people in that world were listening to Bill Cooper.

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This was a bit of a bottleneck for a lot of these ideas being disseminated.

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And I think that what I find particularly interesting is going back and seeing, like,

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we don't know what Alex was doing in 1993, necessarily.

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He wasn't creating a product.

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He wasn't, we don't have a lot of records or anything, but what we can get a sense of

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him by is what media was he taking in?

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Yeah.

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And if we get a better understanding of Bill Cooper and the hour of the time, I think it

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gives us a much larger picture of what has created this gross asshole.

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I agree.

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I like adding him to our rogues gallery immensely.

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So we will see where things go in the future.

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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yup.

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Let's go on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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We were also on iTunes or other podcasts.

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We'll have to please download, leave a review or donate or whatever.

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We love you.

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Yeah, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the chairman of the Citizens Agency of Joint Intelligence.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.