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Dan and George knowledge fight.

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Need money.

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Andy and

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stop it.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge fight.

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Knowledge fight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple of dudes.

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Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed, we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Tis the reason for the Xmas season.

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What, Dan, pray tell, is your favorite Christmas treat?

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Favorite Christmas treat?

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I like peppermint bark.

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Peppermint bark?

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We've talked.

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I think we've talked about this before.

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I've been roundly attacked for this.

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I don't care to.

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I don't want to hear the bullshit.

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I like peppermint bark.

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Everyone can go fly at night.

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You know what, interestingly, though?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Heat candy canes.

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Heat candy canes love peppermint bark.

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Yep.

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Is it a texture thing?

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Partially, maybe.

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You just don't like the licking on the candy cane.

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I don't like the licking.

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No.

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I don't like hard candies, generally, as a whole.

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I think it's the combination of the chocolate and the peppermint as like texture,

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and then also the flavor.

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Like it's much better than the richness of dark chocolate.

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The peppermint comes together in a very nice combination.

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It's dark chocolate peppermint bark?

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That's your stuff?

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Yeah.

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Okay, all right.

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It's a much better flavor combo.

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I always think of the white chocolate stuff,

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just because I assume that peppermint makes everything white.

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They generally have like the dark and white.

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Peppermint is the KKK of the Christmas treats.

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Okay, yeah.

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I don't like all these attacks on my beloved peppermint bark.

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I'm not attacking it.

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My mom always used to make also like egg white cookies,

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the little meringue cookies.

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Oh yeah, I've never had one of those.

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I like those quite a bit, too.

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But I don't really know how to describe them,

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and this is an audio medium.

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But those would be nice.

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I don't know if those are traditionally Christmas,

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but I associate them with that.

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Yeah, of course.

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Any kind of homemade cookie, if it's a Christmas treat,

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or if it's on Christmas.

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Hate gingerbread in all its varieties.

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Gingerbread's gross.

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It's just there for building.

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We can agree on that.

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Since this podcast where I know a lot about peppermint bark,

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and I'm a little bit bitter about it, apparently.

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Very defensive.

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Yeah, and I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I know a lot about your defensiveness,

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but not a lot about Alex Jones.

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So Jordan, today we got an interesting episode.

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We're going to be going over December 13th to 16th, 2019.

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All right, okay.

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And I'm excited to get to that.

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But before we do, we got to take a moment to say thank you

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to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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So first of all, Wes, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Wes.

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Next, Michael, thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Michael.

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Thank you, Michael.

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Next, Bianca, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Bianca.

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Thank you.

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Next, Richard, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Richard.

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Next, Schlassel.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much Schlassel.

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Next, Christine, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Christine.

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Next, I am the whistleblower.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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I am the whistleblower.

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And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on elevated level.

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We appreciate that very much.

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So Austin, with an E, A-U-S-T-E-N.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right.

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We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why are you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Austin.

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Yes.

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Thank you very much, Austin.

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If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.

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I'd like to support these gents, too.

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You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the

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show.

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We would appreciate it.

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We would be very grateful.

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And while we're on the subject of thanking folks, I'd like to give a thank you out to

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Robert Evans and Behind the Bastards.

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We are the guests this week, if you'd enjoy checking us out over there.

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And I got to get a little bit defensive, too, about myself.

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About yourself.

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Why?

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I need to stop trying to make jokes at the beginning of those episodes.

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The last two times we've been on there, I've tried to open with a joke and it has fallen

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flat.

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And I look like a fucking asshole.

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It takes you a little bit to get revved up into the flow of things.

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I think you crushed it.

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When we came on, I think you crushed it immediately following that terrible Mike Adams episode.

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I made a joke about us being the first repeat guest was supposed to be a joke.

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We just stared at you.

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Just stared at you.

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There was five minutes of stunned silence.

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And in this episode, I tried to make a joke about how Chicago is a big city.

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You can have anybody as a guest, but you chose us.

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I look like a goddamn narcissist.

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I was trying to lead into saying like, you could have had Rahm Emanuel.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Somebody with particularly weird views on food.

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Something like, yeah, some guy who's a deep dish pizza enthusiast.

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Could have, could have been anybody about ketchup on hot dogs could have had any guests,

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but you know, OK, it's OK.

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No joke.

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OK.

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Anyway, despite that, I really appreciate it.

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Yeah.

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It's a huge thank you to Robert and a huge apology for me trying to be funny.

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Cut that the fuck out.

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That's that's hey, that's my main issue.

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I have a huge problem trying to be funny.

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So Jordan, like I said, we're doing December 13th to 16th today.

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And we're I realize that it's been a little while since we've had an out of context drop.

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Oh, yeah.

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So here's a nice out of context drop from today's show.

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Have yourself a merry, merry Christmas from the wars.

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Love it.

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That's like a card you get in the mail right there.

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That makes me feel great.

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That's one of the cards you open it up and it starts playing that song for you.

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That's audio peppermint bark for me.

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Oh, man.

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I think that's a curse to get a merry Christmas for me for certainly.

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Yeah.

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So the last we checked in on the present day stuff, we had a situation where Alex was really

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going hard on this.

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There might go chipping homeless folks.

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And I'm going to cut a chip out of somebody on air and chips out of out of people's fucking

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body.

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Can't get we're sorting out the HIPAA forms.

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Right.

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Otherwise, we got this set up.

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Everyone's going to love it.

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That's gone.

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That's dropped.

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Never, never spoken of again.

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I don't believe so.

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No, that sounds right.

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Because Owen Troyer interrupted the impeachment inquiry and made a big deal out of it.

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And that got distracted, Alex.

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And now he does not care about the people experiencing homelessness in Austin.

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He does not care about microchipping.

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Why would you?

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So Thursday.

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Waiting for him to say he can't afford a scalpel anymore.

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We would.

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We'd love to, but we just don't.

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I can't use a razor blade.

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Literally just can't afford the HIPAA forms.

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Yeah.

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That's the issue.

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So he Thursday was the day that those depositions dropped of Alex, Paul Joseph Watson and Rob

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Dew.

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Right.

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And so we went over that on on Monday's episode and I figured like, let's see if there's any

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kind of a weird response to that, like because Alex is pretty responsive to news about himself

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for sure.

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For sure.

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So I decided to jump in on Friday.

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And one of the things that I found was that Alex was not hosting on Friday.

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Not a surprise.

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He recorded a little introduction for the show that sounds like he's speaking from inside

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a Nalgene bottle.

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It is Friday the 13th, 2019.

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I am your host, Alex Jones.

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This is going to be a very informative and very important transmission.

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Tom Papert is going to be steering the ship.

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Those two things cannot exist in the same space.

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An important, informative show hosted by Tom Papert is a contradiction in terms.

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So I did not listen to that episode.

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I do not care what Tom Papert's bring to the table.

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So we jump to Sunday, the whether that be the 15th, Sunday the 15th.

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Yeah.

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Like Alex will be back.

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He'll be talking about stuff.

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We're just taking a day.

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Whatever.

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Oh, and Troyer's hosting.

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Of course.

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Oh, get out of here.

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All right.

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So we got to go to the 16th and Alex is it's really easy to cover everything up today.

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If we're covering the 13th through the 16th, we've really gotten through the 13th through

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the 15th quiz, 10 minutes of the last day of our coverage will be a 45 minute episode.

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Alex is in studio on the 16th and he starts off on a really weird note and I'm going to

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jail.

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I'm going to give you this upfront, maybe by way of an apology, maybe by way of a explanation.

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Some of the way I'm going to cover this episode is heavily informed by Alex is deposition

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and a lot of the other stuff in those depositions that we covered on Monday's show.

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I figured we now understand a way that Alex defends his broadcast.

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It's all about his feelings.

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It's about his feelings.

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It's about his feelings.

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Blurring the line of what's fact and what's opinion.

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I don't think there is a line and neither of them exist anymore.

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As an exercise to an extent, I am going to frame a lot of my response in terms of asking

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these questions and looking at this as is this is feelings that might get a little bit

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tired throughout the course.

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I might sound like a broken record at times.

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Warning, only listen to the first half of whatever happens.

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So Alex is a bit fucked up at the beginning of this show.

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Trump's demanding action, but I have a gut feeling things have changed now.

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The global has had a deal to back off.

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They haven't backed off, and because of this impeachment, that behind the scenes deal of

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detente is over.

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We'll be back.

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Stay with us.

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So he's talking about the fact that impeachment is proceeding.

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It's keeping on going forward, and that's a really interesting clip to listen to in

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the aftermath of the deposition in that Sandy Hook lawsuit.

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There's a bunch of little things that Alex says that make what he's saying mean literally

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nothing, but the intended impact of his words based on the context of his show in the recent

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weeks is anything but meaningless.

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The first point is Alex says that he has, quote, a gut feeling that things have changed

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now.

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Granted, we know that he said approximately 10,000 times that his gut is literally never

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wrong and he has literal psychic powers, but at the end of the day, all he's doing here

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is expressing his feelings.

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He has a gut feeling.

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That's true.

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Nothing actually has changed.

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He has no proof that anything has changed.

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It's just a feeling he has that things have changed.

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From there, Alex jumps to talking about an imaginary behind-the-scenes deal the globalists

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had to back off, which they're not honoring.

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This is not a feeling.

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This is something Alex is directly asserting as a fact.

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The globalists had a deal in place to back down.

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They are not backing down, so detente is over.

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This behind-the-scenes deal isn't real, but the claim Alex is making involves a real imaginary

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thing.

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Now, to further complicate things, Alex is using his feelings, namely that something

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has changed, to assert that this imaginary deal is not being held up by the globalist

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side.

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The way Alex is reporting on this real imaginary thing is being affected by his feelings.

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The headline is that detente is over and the globalists are breaking the deal, but that's

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strictly based on Alex's feelings about a real imaginary thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The reason why this is so particularly upsetting in this case is because that for the last

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week or so, we've heard Alex very, very consistently work himself into a frenzy, particularly at

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the end of his shows, to the point where he declares that if the globalists don't back

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off, it might be time to start killing people.

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He's not directly saying that the time has come here at the beginning of this episode,

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but if you're a regular listener of Alex's program, I think you'd be able to put two

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and two together.

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He's established that if the globalists don't back down, there's going to be justified violence

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done against them.

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And now here, he's opening his Monday show by explicitly announcing that there's an imaginary

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behind the scenes deal for the globalists to back up off, which they have broken and

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detente is over.

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The proof that his imaginary deal has been broken is just his gut feelings.

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I don't think that Alex's listeners will hear that as a call that the time for killing has

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come and then they'll start shooting people, nor do I really think that that's how Alex

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meant any of this.

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I just think that because he's so reliant on made up shit and reporting things based

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on his feelings, sometimes he has literally no idea how the things he's saying play into

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the larger context of his work.

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And that is dangerous.

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Yeah, that makes, yeah, no, he's not even tying together the fact that if the deal is

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broken, which he's already said, we have to start killing people.

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And then he's later saying the deal has been broken.

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Yeah.

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He thinks that's just a regular.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He think that's the, that's just a regular, uh, yeah.

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Sometimes the deal is broken.

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We're going to move on and go to the next thing.

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He doesn't realize that a week ago it was like, and now we burn everybody to the ground.

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He doesn't, he doesn't realize the trail he's laid for like, it's, it, it, it's a, it's

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a complete picture.

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I mean, I don't think it's leading to the worst case scenario, but if it did, I think

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it's an open and shut case that he is inspiring people towards a certain outcome.

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Yeah.

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It does feel like he doesn't think reality is serialized.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like every, he thinks every episode is a completely independent thing.

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Yeah.

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Not, not realizing that it's talking about an ongoing reality.

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Well, but I also think it's so indicative of the fact that he doesn't believe anything

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he's saying.

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He doesn't think that there's consequences to this because none of it's real to him.

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Right.

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It's all nonsense.

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And he, he, he has to be stupid to believe this shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's fair.

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I feel like that is the case, but I mean, that's how you feel.

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So Alex does not really talk at all about the depositions.

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He doesn't even address them as, as being public.

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He doesn't care at all.

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He does care though about the UK election.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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So he talks a little bit about that and he wants to weave this in with narratives he

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has about the United States 2016 election, primarily about how the media was saying that

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it was likely that Hillary was going to win.

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Right.

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And apparently Alex believed that the media was saying that labor was inevitably going

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to win in the UK election.

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Oh no, they were not saying that.

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Well, that's not what Alex says.

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This election and all the media trying to deny that the conservatives are going to win

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and trying to fix the polls, just like they did three years ago for Hillary Clinton, but

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still it didn't work.

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Didn't convince people to say, Oh, well suddenly the liberals are ahead.

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I'll vote for them to feel like I'm a winner.

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The propaganda didn't work.

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The real poll showed the conservatives 15, 20 points ahead and the conservatives won

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by a whopping 20 plus point lead, meaning they have a majority wide in the parliament.

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So I don't know of anybody who votes based on who they think is going to win.

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What Alex is expressing here seems to be a fundamental disconnect from how humans think.

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It seems like he believes that the media reporting that, for example, Hillary Clinton was going

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to win, that would drive more people to vote for Hillary who were previously uninclined

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to do so.

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That's absurd.

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And I would argue, if anything, media coverage of Hillary being in the lead would only serve

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to galvanize the opposition to work harder, thereby increasing their likelihood of turning

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out more voters.

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I don't believe that a person who prefers Republican policies is going to hear that

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the Democratic candidate is leading in the polls and is the likely winner, then they're

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going to go out and vote for the Democrat because they want to feel like they're on

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the winning team.

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What sense is there to being on the winning team when that team is opposed to the things

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you want in society?

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Yeah, I think, I mean, this isn't like Durant signing with Golden State, you know?

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No.

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It's not like he's joining the-

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I want a ring.

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Yeah, exactly.

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No, at the end of it, he gets a ring because he wants a ring.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, this is wild.

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If Alex has any studies to cite to back up this trend in voter behavior, I'd be happy

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to take a look at them, but it seems like this is more him talking about his feelings.

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He desperately wants to be on the winning team and assumes that everyone else would

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sell out as hard as he has to Trump in order to make that happen.

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I think this is just about himself.

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People don't operate that way, at least none that I have ever met or know.

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Now, there is something far more illuminating now that he's admitted that the show is basically

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him talking about his feelings in that so much of this stuff you can now really just

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go in and be like, this is you talking about you.

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This is not you talking about us.

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Particularly when it doesn't seem to match up with anything I can find.

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Yeah.

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There are indications that a lot of people are motivated to vote, not motivated to vote

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for a particular candidate, but motivated to vote because they want to not feel the

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shame of having to lie about not voting.

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Right, right, right, right.

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There are some sort of societal pressures to fit in and be a part of the responsibility

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of voting that drive people to actually vote, but that has nothing to do with choosing a

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candidate.

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Who they vote for, yeah.

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I don't know what he... I can't find indications of anything that he's saying, so when he's

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pitching something that doesn't seem to be supported by any evidence, you got to ask

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why.

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Or a fundamental human psychology.

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Is this about you?

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Yeah.

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And I think it is.

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It tends to be, yes.

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So polls, they lie because globalists.

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Sure.

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But Alex also lies about polls.

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Well, yeah.

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Even in cooked polls, Trump has gained five to 10 to 15 points.

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Real polls, Trump's 15, 20 points ahead of the Democrats right now.

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They're in full panic mode.

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They already knew that and we're trying to get him out of office with this impeachment,

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but it has spectacularly backfired on them.

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So according to 538's aggregate of polls, they have Trump looking at a 43.1 approval

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rating and a 52.5 disapproval, or approximately a negative nine net approval rating.

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Real Clear Politics lists some of the more recent polls, which are mostly not good.

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Quinnipiac has Trump at a negative nine net approval.

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USA Today has a negative two.

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Rasmussen is negative four.

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NPR and PBS, their poll has him sitting at a negative 10.

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Reuters is at negative 15.

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And even Fox News' most recent poll conducted between December 8th and 11th is at negative

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eight.

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Simply put, there are no really credible polls that put Trump anywhere near a neutral approval

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rating.

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The polls regarding various possible 2020 Democratic candidates are a little bit less

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consistent, but most of the reputable polling outlets are generally showing Trump losing

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to most of them, if the election were being held today, that is.

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A lot can happen between now and November, and we don't really know who the candidate

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will be.

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So it's hard to put too much stake into any of those specific polls, but there just isn't

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anything I can find that reflects the reality that Alex is presenting.

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Alex feels like Trump should be winning in the polls, and so he says he is.

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You can't find any polls that show that Trump is up 10 or 20 points, but that's because

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all you have is access to the cooked fraudulent polls.

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Whereas Alex has the real pure numbers, which mysteriously are out of step with everyone

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else, but completely in line with his feelings.

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So what is this?

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Is this opinion or reporting?

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I mean, Alex is definitely behaving as if he has proof that there are polls where Trump

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is beating the Democrats by 20 points, whatever that means, even vague notion of beating the

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Democrats by 20 points, five for eight from three down.

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This seems to not be based on anything but feelings.

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I don't even know why- I told you this is going to get a little tired.

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We're already two clips in.

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This is trouble.

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I don't know why cooked polls would even try...

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Why would cooked polls be like, well, Trump is only plus 10 instead of the plus 20 that

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theoretical real polls would do?

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What's the point of cooking polls if it's still going to look horrendous?

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Because Alex seems to think that these statisticians are pushing up against something that's going

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that's so strongly pushing back against them that their will cannot manage something better

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than Trump is up by 10.

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The cursor keeps writing seven and then they're like, ah, delete, shoot, no.

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It's a Herculean effort for them to make it look like Trump is only up 10 points.

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Yeah, that's basically what he is.

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I feel like that could exist.

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So if you ever needed just a snapshot of why Infowars is the stupidest fucking show in

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the world, I think I can provide that for you in a very short clip.

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When the vaccines are tainted, they've been given liability protection by the same dangerous

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big pharma.

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Companies have caused such great scourges, we're going to break that down at the bottom

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of the next hour with Zach Voorhees, who's done a lot of research into it.

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If you listen to Infowars and you take this shit seriously, you need to wake the fuck

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up.

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And that clip is a good example of why.

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Alex is going on a little anti-vax riff and then he announces that Zach Voorhees is going

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to be coming on to talk about it because he's done research on the issue.

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Zach Voorhees is only notable in any way because he was a Google employee who was the centerpiece

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of a Project Veritas publicity stunt, right?

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He gave them a ton of documents that were ultimately meaningless and didn't show what

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they pretended they did.

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And then after that report came out, it was revealed that Zach was an anti-Semitic conspiracy

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theorist who had posted online repeatedly about how the U.S. has a Zionist occupied

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government.

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Whoa, I wouldn't call him a rabid anti-Semite.

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I didn't say rabid, I don't know if he has rabies.

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That term, Zionist occupied government, Zog, is pretty unique to fucked up corners of anti-government

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conspiracy communities that tend towards the neo-Nazi-ish.

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Yeah, Zog and like Boogaloo now are fingerprints.

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You can trace those back to- And Zog has been for a while.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Zach knows nothing about vaccines.

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Zach has no expertise- No, he worked at Google.

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He has no expertise on the subject.

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He's just a guy who can't be much older than 30, who'd worked as a computer scientist at

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Google for eight years when he went public this year.

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He's not someone who you'd want to go to for a conversation about vaccines if you were

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taking the subject seriously.

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He's someone you'd talk to about vaccines if you were trying to cultivate a new star

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in the world of right-wing propaganda media, which I suspect what Alex is doing here.

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Zach is clearly willing to keep coming on his show, like, all right, you got a little

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bit of juice because of this Project Veritas video, let's see if we can make a star out

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of you.

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And you fucking can't because Zach is a snooze, he's terrible on mic, he's fucking really

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dumb.

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Yes, but he's not busy, Dan, and that's the most important part of trying to make a new

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star for Info Wars.

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That is true.

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Zach Voorhees coming on the show today to talk vaccines because he studied the subject

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is a perfect example of how little Alex cares about doing a good job.

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There was a time when he'd at least have the decency to have fake doctors on to talk about

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anti-vax shit, but now fuck it, let's just get that Project Veritas guy who believes

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there's a Zog.

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He can't even get Mike Adams anymore, can he?

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He probably could.

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Mike might be busy too.

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Yeah.

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And Zach, not busy.

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Ridiculous.

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Man, just where and when did he study vaccines?

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He did.

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Was it at Google?

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He read some fucking blogs.

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For eight years, was he only working on the vaccine beat at Google?

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Do they have a vaccine beat?

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No.

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Ironically, when he finally does show up at the end of the episode, a bunch of the stuff

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that he says is probably just stuff he read on natural news.

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It's probably just reading Mike Adams' articles.

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That's great.

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Mike Adams' Surrogate too.

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Anyway, he ends up saying some profoundly stupid shit towards the end of this episode.

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And I'm not even saying that because I have disdain for anti-vax stuff, which I do.

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I mean even devoid of that, he says is really stupid, like things that are disqualifying,

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basically.

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Anyway.

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They grow vaccines in honey bees hives.

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Might as well.

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Yeah.

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So Alex says that in the past, he's avoided being too optimistic about things.

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But listen.

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I feel like he is not.

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He's changing the world.

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Okay.

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He says something really revealing at the end of this clip.

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I haven't wanted to be too optimistic and I've wanted to say the president's in danger

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and I've wanted to say that we're not completely winning.

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Because I like scaring you.

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I've wanted to say they're going to have some tricks up their sleeves during the Senate

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trial and have a bunch of new allegations come out and that's all going to happen.

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But it doesn't matter because they have really screwed the pooch.

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That's if you look at currently what's on the table.

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If I was them, I'd be pulling false flags right now.

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I would morally do that myself, but if I was them, I'd be pulling false flags right now

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and I would be blaming my opposition.

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So if Alex were the globalists, he'd be doing some false flags and blaming his opposition.

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I feel like this is a very good example of how twisted Alex's thinking is and how he

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foists it onto his audience to accept as fact when it's just his feelings.

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What strikes me most about this is that we've already heard Alex say repeatedly that the

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globalists are about to pull false flags in order to blame the patriots in the surrounding

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context of Trump's impeachment.

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He's said this as a prediction based on his gut, which is never wrong.

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He said it was a certainty many times in the past weeks, but now he's presenting this as

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a if I were them situation and that tells me something and then namely that is that

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Alex's enemies are in his head.

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There's no concrete reason for Alex to predict these globalists are going to run false flags.

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Everything he calls a false flag isn't one, and it's not like he's making this prediction

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based on whistleblowers or leaked globalist documents discussing false flag plans, based

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solely on his subjective perception.

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When Alex says if I were the globalists, I'd be running false flags, that is a pure distillation

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of his prediction that globalists are going to pull false flags.

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That is what he's really saying when he predicts they're going to do this.

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It's merely his own projection of his warped and violent mind being put onto his imagined

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enemies.

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Alex has created an overpowered but also ultimately powerless enemy to fight and in the process

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has convinced a not insignificant number of people to buy into his fantasies.

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There are no globalists planning false flags.

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There's only Alex Jones imagining that that is what his pretend enemies would do because

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that's what he would do if he were them.

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Then when a tragedy does inevitably happen, Alex gets to call it a false flag for no reason

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in order to fraudulently claim the role of a prophet.

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Then the cycle repeats.

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More brain force gets sold and Alex tells you that we're so close to seeing the end

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of these globalists this time, they've been on the brink of defeat so many times before

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but never like this, they're so close to defeat and they're definitely going to do some false

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flags.

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When they do, it's crucial that I still be on the air.

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Buy more brain force and that's how you could take a stand like your ancestors did in the

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revolutionary war.

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Not everyone gets to be George Washington, Jordan.

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Some people are patriots only in as much as they can keep buying my bullshit pills.

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Got a little worked up there.

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Yeah, that was good.

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But I mean, that's the cycle that he's doing.

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That's what he's doing to people.

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I always think of that- Such bullshit.

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Like that projection, because that especially is way too obvious of just like if I were

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them, I would be false flagging people.

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To be fair, we've heard him say similar things in the past a couple of times, but it's pretty

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rare for him to frame it in that so overt a way.

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Obviously, yeah.

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I think of that in the same way that those like alt-right guys who don't want to go,

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who like talk just right before they get to all the way alt-right who are like, you know,

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I just think when if all the oppressed peoples right now get all their power, they're going

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to do all that shit to us, man.

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And it's like, no, no, no, no, no.

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That that's not how it works.

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That's what you would do in their situation, which makes you the fucked up person here.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not good.

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No.

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Not good.

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So Alex reports that this like, you know, this this impeachment thing is going forward.

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And of course, it's all bullshit and it won't pass the Senate ever.

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But there's still reason to be concerned because people are getting threatened.

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They've got tricks up their sleeves.

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And they are threatening all their minions right now that if you don't do this, we're

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going to release this dirt on you.

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And if you don't do that, we're going to kill your daughter or your son.

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Right now, the threats are flowing like Niagara Falls.

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So OK, is that news or is that Alex's feelings?

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Is it opinion or is Alex actually asserting that people are being blackmailed and threatened

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that their kids will be killed if they don't go along with this impeachment?

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What is what is it?

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Because if he's reporting that is fact, that's a very serious crime that he's presenting

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himself as having proof of.

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Of course, he's just making this shit up.

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But it's presented as news that's asserted as a fact.

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I don't know.

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I think he might have some screenshots of Larry Nichols email that we're going to get

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to that.

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How can we get to that?

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Well, OK.

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I'm sorry.

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I keep framing things this way.

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But after spending so much time with those depositions, I felt like it would be a good

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idea to take this as an opportunity to demonstrate these real examples of where these issues

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manifest themselves outside of, oh, I don't know, legally actionable places.

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When Alex says that Sandy Hook was closed at the time of the shooting, for instance,

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and then pretends he was stating an opinion, that's a matter for the lawyers in the court.

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But he does the same thing every day surrounding all these other issues.

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He's talking about, quote unquote, minions who could honestly be anybody from government

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office clerks to Congress people being blackmailed and threatened to railroad Trump.

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But I guarantee that he has nothing to base this on.

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I have absolutely no doubt that if he had to answer why he said this under oath, he

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would say his opinion.

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I feel it's true.

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It's his opinion.

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It's my opinion that people are being threatened in order to make sure Trump gets out of office.

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OK.

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Who?

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Look, it's my opinion that this is the case.

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It's the vibe.

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It's the zeitgeist.

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Do you feel like it's responsible for you to say that to a bunch of people who rapidly

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believe in the insane things that you say?

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Babies and incubators.

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There you go.

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You win.

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Call this trial off.

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As you referenced, it should be mentioned that back when the Mueller investigation was

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ongoing, Larry Nichols literally came on Alex's show and threatened to release damning information

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about Robert Mueller and every member of Congress if they didn't stop investigating Trump.

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There is no proof of the conspiracy that Alex is talking about right now, but his show has

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been host to the exact same behavior just directed at the people that Alex wants to

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target.

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Well, if I were them, that's what I would be doing.

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So when I'm not them, that is what I will be doing.

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I'm against Larry Nichols impotently blackmailing people in Congress on Alex's show in the same

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way I am against people being blackmailed hypothetically to hurt Trump.

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I am against it because I'm against that action.

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You're against the blackmail part.

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Yeah.

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And now, have you considered that maybe blackmail is a great thing so long as it doesn't happen

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to you, Dan?

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I am now officially a sovereign citizen.

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Alex is so just the worst.

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It's so clear.

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I guess maybe you could possibly get the impression that he didn't like Larry Nichols blackmailing

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Congress based on the fact that he didn't have him on the show for like a year.

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But that's only implied.

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I never heard him denounce that.

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No.

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He didn't push back on Larry when Larry was on.

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And he's had him back.

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So it can't have been too big a deal.

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The fact that there is no consistent practice of ethics through ideology is like rife.

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Like Mitch McConnell will never see the Supreme Court justice in an election year.

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If he could, he would see four today.

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That's just how these people work because he thinks, probably, that if I were the other

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side, I would be doing the exact same thing.

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Even though that's demonstrably untrue now.

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Yeah.

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I mean, hypocrisy is no pointed attack or whatever.

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It's not an accusation that holds any weight.

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Yeah.

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Not anymore.

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But it's worth pointing these things out, particularly when Alex has been party to literal

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blackmail of members of Congress.

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Attempted.

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And now he's making up this reportage about Trump.

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The threats are flowing like Niagara Falls.

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Yeah.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Do you think he thinks that there is some equivalent force to Infowars?

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Does he think that there is some bizarro Infowars that has bizarro Larry Nichols on threatening

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to blackmail bizarro members of Congress?

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You know what I'm saying?

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I think he just thinks that's what MSNBC is.

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I kind of think he does too.

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That's weird.

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What a lunatic.

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So yeah, he's got the spirit in him about this, like fighting back against the impeachment.

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And he expresses this.

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I just think this is so goddamn fake.

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You can feel the spirit rising like never before.

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It's happening.

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The battle is now joined.

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This is it.

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This is it.

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So fake.

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Alex, we're going to have to ask you to take that one again.

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Yeah.

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From the top.

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Yeah.

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Let's start that over.

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I, I, this was a warm up take.

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I understand.

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But we really, really got to get to some intensity in there.

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Yeah.

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Oh, can you feel it?

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Yellow leather, yellow leather.

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What a dork.

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Anyway, Alex is thrilled about the UK election primarily because Boris Johnson is a nationalist

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candidate.

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Yes, sir.

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We've got, uh, you know, he's on his side theoretically, which is ironic considering

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he's doing everything possible to turn the UK into a colony of the United States.

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So leaving that aside for a moment, because we might have time for some more politic in

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the UK discussion.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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In as much as we can a little bit later.

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Um, Alex is thrilled that there's these nationalists getting elected over the world.

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Right.

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But you would think that is the answer to his globalist problem.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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A global nationalist.

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Well, it turns out that even though these nationalist candidates are getting elected

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in some cases, there's still trouble.

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Despite everything they're throwing at humanity, nationalists and populists are getting elected.

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And of course those nationalist movements are infiltrated with globalists, but it doesn't

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matter.

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At least they're having to act like they're Patriots to get elected.

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And then it's only a process of removing the globalist who are able to get in by lying

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to the people.

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And most of the time the people actually getting in the case of Trump or the case of the leader

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in Brazil and other areas are actually Patriots.

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And so it's just their minions that we have to then discover and remove.

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You can see here why Alex's grift will never naturally reach its end point on its own.

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It's entirely up to Alex to set his wind conditions and his audience is so gullible that he can

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just change those whenever he wants.

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More importantly, I think what you see here is that Alex given the authority and ability

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to do so would be an absolute scourge of a political force.

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He would be the sort that runs all manner of purity tests and purges in order to make

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sure the party doesn't have any infiltrators in it.

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That has always worked out well, as we can see from Russia's perfect example of Stalin.

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It worked out great.

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Yeah.

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That's the natural end result of your worldview being entirely based on defiance.

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Only defined by being against something.

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Once you have ostensibly conquered that thing, you have to be against something else.

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This is defined as a media entity and his entire personality, his entire reason to exist

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is based on, I'm against the globalist.

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If he has a situation where like now we have vanquished the globalist, he has to create

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his own enemies as he's already done.

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It would be fun to see if he could hire somebody to Photoshop people out of all of his pictures

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full time.

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How many people would he get rid of and all of a sudden he's just alone in every picture.

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It's Zach from Google to do that for him.

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It's back to the future.

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Everybody's disappearing.

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Yeah.

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So these people, they're against the globalists.

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But what's this?

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A bunch of people that Alex has labeled as anti-globalists are winning elections, which

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should signify that you've achieved your goal.

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Now you can go about creating the pseudo utopia that would have been possible all along had

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it not been for those meddling globalists.

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But they can't do that.

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And they aren't even interested in that sort of thing, even if they could do anything.

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So the game changes.

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Some of these nationalist groups are infiltrated, so now it's not enough to get nationalists

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into office.

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We also have to make sure there aren't any globalist infiltrators.

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They have to be rooted out at every turn.

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The threat is internal and external.

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You can't trust your own nationalist party because it's probably got some globalist spies

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in there.

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Again, this is just based on Alex's feelings.

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It has no bearing on reality.

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On the one hand, it's a way of escalating paranoia in a deeply unhealthy way.

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But in another, it's more likely than not, this is just Alex's way of creating an excuse

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for why, after his pretend 1776 2.0 is happening, none of the things he says are going to happen

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happen.

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It's because these nationalists we elected are secret globalists or something.

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Because Alex gets to set these win conditions in his imaginary info war, there will never

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be an achievable win condition.

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It'd be pretty naive to think that he's not keenly aware that he's pretty much useless

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once the globalists are defeated.

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Also, Alex knows nothing about Bolsonaro other than he's heard him referred to as Brazil's

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Trump.

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I would bet anything that I own that as Alex was saying that sentence, he didn't even remember

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his name.

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This guy is a fucking awful, this is the worst.

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I think he takes that sci-fi fantasy thing of that neither evil nor good can ever fully

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defeat the other.

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It's a never ending struggle and no matter what, if good defeats evil, the seed of its

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destruction is inside of it and evil will...

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It's just everything is that titanic, eternal battle between good and evil.

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So no matter what, there is always going to be somebody in there.

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It just boggles my mind that nobody has ever opened a history book and been like, well,

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when people start talking like this, that means their organization or their group is

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going to cannibalize itself no matter what.

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It always does that, always.

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As soon as you're like, all right, there's enemies within, you're introducing-

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Call it out.

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You're introducing at least the justification bad actors will need in order to create those

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divisions that end up completely destroying whatever you have.

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Every fucking time.

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It's the us versus them mentality brought in the house.

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Even outside of the house, let's say, metaphorically, it's not a healthy outlook.

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It's just never good.

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Exclusion versus inclusion.

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Yeah.

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I mean, just the phrase destroyed by infighting should be on the doorway of everybody's house

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in those things like, it always happens.

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It's funny because we actually get a literal example of that in this next clip, because

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Alex brings in Paul Joseph Watson to talk about the UK election, and Alex has some dumb

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things to say.

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That sounds right.

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How big is this?

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Because I know you don't brag about it, but you're in the inner workings of the Brexit

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party and UKIP and Farage well, and you've been in those meetings when this is all being

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quarterbacked, I mean, it really is Farage that's behind Boris Johnson.

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This has really got to scare the globalist that the guy that kept way out in the hinterlands

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for so long is now the power behind the throne with nationalist parties taking over Europe

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at every election.

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This is amazing time, Paul Watson.

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Well, exactly.

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So before I get into this, I'd like to make a caveat that I'm not an expert in UK politics.

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I know what I've read on the issue, and the sense that I get from that landscape is that

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Alex isn't saying anything that matches up with the analysis I've seen.

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No.

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It seems like Nigel Farage and the Brexit party are effectively completely neutralized

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now that the election is over and the Conservative party won.

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He had tons of chips in his hand prior to the election because he was threatening to

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field candidates in conservative-held constituencies, which effectively create a complete split

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in the pro-Brexit voting bloc.

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Farage is only relevant because of that threat, and as soon as he announced that the party

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would back down, he became a non-player.

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The Brexit party has zero seats in parliament, so there's no real ability for him to be a

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part of the coalition government.

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He's only relevant in the fact that he's a rabble-rouser and for the seats that he currently

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holds or the party holds in the EU parliament, which we'll see if they even hold onto.

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Their end goal is to not even have those seats in the EU parliament, so it doesn't make any

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sense for those to be any kind of bargaining chip if your entire goal is to eliminate them.

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It doesn't seem like there's much sense to Farage being the power behind the throne, but

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it makes sense for Alex to feel that way because he's talked to Farage before.

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Another important point is that the Brexit party and UKIP are not associated with each

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other.

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Nigel Farage created the Brexit party specifically because he was disgusted with the direction

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of UKIP and their anti-Muslim obsession.

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He wrote an article in the Daily Telegraph announcing his departure from the party saying,

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quote, the very idea of Tommy Robinson being at the center of the Brexit debate is too

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awful to contemplate, and so with a heavy heart and after all of my years of devotion

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to the party, I'm leaving UKIP today.

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Farage is full of shit about caring about anti-Islam sentiment.

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I was about to go there.

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But he isn't so dense to think that a party that fuels people like Count Dankula and Tommy

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Robinson as candidates is one that can't be successful on the ballot, let alone in governing.

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The party he led had become unrecognizable to him, and the way it was unrecognizable

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was in the fact that they were taking Alex Jones's guests seriously.

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Paul is friends with UKIP.

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He associates with them.

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I'm pretty sure that he has nothing to do formally with the Brexit party, particularly

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considering that he made a big public spectacle of joining UKIP along with Tommy Robinson

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and Dankula just a few months before Farage quit.

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I'm sure that Paul has some contacts, and they may mean something.

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They may not.

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I don't know.

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But I find it very unlikely he was involved in anything relevant.

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Boris Johnson would never be associated with Alex.

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And Nigel Farage probably wouldn't anymore either.

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The wing of UK politics that Alex has access to is the UKIP, and that might as well be

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a dead party, so good.

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They made the classic mistake of starting to buy their own bullshit.

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Like a good politician-

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Let's get Sargon of Akkad in office.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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A good politician knows that he's lying to these people, and so he can control that narrative,

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but once they start fielding those candidates, they're like, fuck shit, oh, we got nothing

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now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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It's exactly that thing, though.

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It's the division.

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The UKIP and Brexit party should conceivably be-

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Well, they agree on everything.

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Except for the believing this bullshit.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Formalizing and allowing this wing to have any proximity to the actual party.

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Guys, we're willing to exploit anti-Islam fervor.

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We don't want to be part of it.

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You are so stupid.

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Yeah.

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For that reason, I've seen some pictures of Paul hanging out with some people who were

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involved in the Brexit party, and I'm sure he does know people and associates with them,

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but any kind of proximity to actual shit, I think they know better.

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Because Paul, for all of his increased popularity over people like Count Dankula-

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God, I don't even like him existing.

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With his decreased toxicity compared to someone like Tommy Robinson, he's still in that world.

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Oh, for sure.

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He's still that.

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And associating with him to any large degree, I think that that's why Farage left the Brexit

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party.

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He's not going to now allow that in.

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Maybe he would.

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I don't fucking know.

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Well, I wouldn't be surprised if some UKIP people infiltrated the Brexit party in order

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to push it further into it.

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I mean, a lot of people when they left, you kept one over the Brexit party, but I mean,

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who knows?

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Yeah.

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It's all just the fracturing though.

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Anyway, Paul has some weird political analysis on this episode, and the first one seems to

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have to do with a Twitter poll, maybe?

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Sure.

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Someone tweeted yesterday, tweets from Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, and Boris Johnson,

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the Conservative leader, on the morning of the election, pointing out that Corbyn, the

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Labour party tweet, got 156,000 likes.

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The Conservative party tweet got 12,500 likes, and their message on this tweet was, can someone

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explain how support for Labour is so overwhelming, yet we have a huge Tory majority when it comes

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to the election?

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Well, it's because you created this massive echo chamber on Twitter, on social media,

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by banning people, by forcing self-censorship of alternative opinions.

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So don't be surprised when reality doesn't reflect your social media bubble.

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This is great analysis.

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Alternate theory, Dan?

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I have a couple.

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Alternate theory?

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What have you got?

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Tory's filled with fucking old people.

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Yeah, totally.

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The end.

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Yeah.

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You guys polling on the 2019 election showed that, quote, for every 10 years older a voter

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is, the chances of them voting Conservative in the UK election increases by nearly 8%.

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Conservatives got 16% of the 18-24 vote, 18% of the 25-29 vote, and 23% of the 30-39 vote.

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How did they do with the older than that?

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That's compared to 58% of the 70-plus vote and 45% of the 60-69 vote, two age cohorts

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you're not likely to see shooting off in the comments section or retweeting.

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This variable alone could help explain the differences between tweets and votes.

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And then you have to take into account the fact that Twitter users exist who cannot vote

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in the UK.

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I don't understand, Dan.

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How?

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They can retweet things, though, and like things.

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No, it's British Twitter.

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There's a far greater solidarity on the left internationally in spaces like Twitter, and

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you can see that in US persons expressing support for Corbyn and Labour, whereas internationally

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not too many grassroots folks on the right are necessarily that excited about Boris.

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Just off the top of my head, these are two possible alternative explanations for the

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phenomenon Paul is describing.

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But his opinion, his feeling is that the differences in tweets compared to votes is the result

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of Conservatives being banned from Twitter and not being able to retweet their support

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for Boris or something.

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Yeah, how many Conservatives have been banned from Twitter?

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A hundred thousand?

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Is that what he's arguing?

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All of them.

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All of them.

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Okay, never mind.

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For what it's worth, Paul's Twitter is still there.

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He's verified and he has over a million followers.

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Stuff is all a load of shit.

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Playing this Twitter victim game when you're literally living proof that the narrative

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isn't real.

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Oh, get off my head.

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I would ask him real quick, did you retweet the Boris Johnson tweet?

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He might have.

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He might have.

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I feel like he might not have.

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Okay, I'll let you report that as fact.

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So something we were talking about here a little bit is polling does show that the youth

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are far more into labor, far higher support of the Tories and Conservatives in the elderly.

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Which is why the olds are trying to kill us.

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The same is true as phenomenologically of people in the United States.

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Younger people skew towards the left.

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And older people are like, we want you to die.

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Now that is a true thing that is based on polling.

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Now Paul wants to explain that this, talking about that, is the same as the great replacement

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conspiracy theories.

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I'm sorry, do what now?

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This is a swing.

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I think Paul is way out of line.

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You think it connects?

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No.

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People on the left are saying, oh, just be patient, we'll win it with the demographics,

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we'll win it with the mass immigration.

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Anyone on the right who talks about that is a white supremacist and talking about the

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great replacement.

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But if you talk about it in a positive way and you're on the left, then it's perfectly

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acceptable.

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But there's a sea of red for 18 to 24 year olds and this is the problem.

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Because Tony Blair basically set into policy this goal of having 50% of people go to university.

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Now he's doing that because universities, even more so in the UK than the US in many

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places, are literal Marxist brainwashing camps.

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So first of all, what a shock.

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Paul feels like colleges are Marxist brainwashing camps.

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I should tell you that in his deposition, Paul did testify that he didn't go to college,

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so I guess he's not speaking from any personal experience.

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It's just so weird that these people who run misinformation grifts really want people to

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shudder at the thought of people getting higher education, almost as if their business model

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depends on a population devoid of critical thinking skills.

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Either that or Tony Blair, the noted Marxist, just wanted kids to go to college so he could

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brainwash them.

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Absolutely.

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I think that makes perfect sense.

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The larger problem with that clip is how Paul is discussing demographics.

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What he's doing is advancing an argument that is very dumb on its face, but the function

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of it seems to be in some ways meant to legitimize this great replacement theory that no matter

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how snarkily he says it, is advanced by explicit white supremacists and white nationalists.

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His argument fails for a number of reasons that aren't even worth breaking down, but

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I think there's an important distinction between the way he discusses demographics and how

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someone noting that the youth support left-leaning candidates much more, there's a difference.

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It's about the next step.

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For someone who sees that the younger age cohorts are more liberal, they'll see that

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and maybe they'll hope that they retain these political ideas as they get older.

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That's it.

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For someone like Paul or many of the people he associates with, they see statistics that

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immigrants have a higher likelihood of voting democratic and that's not it.

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They have a next step and that's advocating positions like closing the borders, mass deportations

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or building a wall.

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Oh, see, now I assumed that what they wanted to do was create policies that were more inclusive

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and get those voters onto their side, right?

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That would be an interesting possible way to go, but it's not how they go.

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No.

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The next step in the logic is really the problem because it's never analysis.

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Like you're pointing out, there's never a moment of reflection where you think, okay,

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these population segments have particular voting trends.

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Is there a possible policy reason for that?

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Their response is a pure knee-jerk reaction that sees a population that votes in a way

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that they don't like and their response is to try and remove or limit that population

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from the country.

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The equivalent for this in the age example would be if people on the left were holding

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rallies where they chanted about a Logan's Run-style euthanasia program to remove the

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elderly from the voting block since they skew so far to the right.

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Or maybe that's too extreme.

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So let's imagine they're just saying that no one over 49 can vote.

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These folks who note that the younger people skew to the left aren't advancing positions

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specifically designed to marginalize the old.

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People like Paul, they note that immigrants skew to the left in voting patterns and then

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advance positions designed to marginalize them.

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This is the primary difference and why his analogy makes no sense.

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The rest of the stuff he's talking about, I'm not even going to dignify with a response.

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All he's doing is trying to create a what about type argument in order to justify these

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demographic justifications for white nationalism.

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Because I don't hear people on the left saying, all these immigrants coming in, they'll vote

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for the left, so hooray.

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I've not heard anybody use that as a justification for increased immigration or maintaining current

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levels of immigration.

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I've only heard that as a conspiracy theory by people advancing the great replacement

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theory from the right.

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There you go.

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Because it's, hey, I know you are, but what am I?

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You're doing it, so I have to do it in order to stop you.

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Of course we're trying to limit the democratic voting population because that's what you

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guys would do if you could.

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It's so fucked up that these people think they're doing good, that they're playing the

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game the right way.

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It's brutal.

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Yeah, they're the worst.

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It's like if the Patriots were a party, a political party.

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The football team?

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Yes.

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Similar to that?

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Yeah.

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So college is Marxist brainwashing.

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We know that.

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Of course.

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Paul's last clip.

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And he speaks a little bit more about that here.

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Some people would say those 18 to 24 year olds are going to grow up, they're going to

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become property owners, they're going to have more wealth, they're naturally going to become

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more conservative.

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Well that's not the case if they've been in the Marxist brainwashing camps because that

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social engineering lasts forever.

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I would fucking love for Paul to even pretend he's not just making shit up out of thin air.

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Colleges are Marxist brainwashing camps and the powers that be want more people to go

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to college so they will be brainwashed in order to make it so they don't naturally get

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more conservative as they grow older.

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What a fucking idiot.

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That's an insane-

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You know how many assholes I went to college with who studied business and they graduated

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and they're old conservatives now?

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Get the fuck out of here with that weak shit.

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No kidding.

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Actual data doesn't back up anything Paul is saying.

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It's all just Paul's feelings that college is liberal indoctrination camp.

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Well when I talk to somebody with a college degree they say I'm wrong, Dan.

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The Conversation published a study called Ideals back in February 2018 that was the

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conclusion of a years-long series of surveys given to a representative sample of over 7,000

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students at more than 120 colleges starting in 2015.

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They were particularly interested in seeing how these students changed, if at all, in

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their perception of varying political alignments.

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They surveyed them when they were just entering college and then again during their sophomore

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year and the results are pretty interesting.

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Forty-eight percent of respondents quote viewed liberals more favorably in their second year

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of college than when they arrived.

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So Paul must be right.

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Almost half of these students got swayed by Marxist brainwashing.

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They did get marxistly brainwashed.

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Problem is they also found that 50% of respondents also viewed conservatives more positively

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after going to college.

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The proportion of those whose views worsened were almost also identical with 30% towards

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liberals and 31.3% towards conservatives their views of them getting worse.

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I found this paragraph particularly important.

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Quote, the data show us that the most growth and appreciation happened among people who

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were initially least appreciative of either liberals or conservatives.

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In simple terms, first-year college students who begin college really disliking liberals

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or conservatives have their attitudes softened in college.

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Exposure to people with different beliefs than you is in an integrating environment

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that helps people understand each other and it seems to have the effect of making radicalization

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less likely.

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It's not good for people whose business model is radicalization.

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People like Alex don't want you to humanize people you disagree with.

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He wants you to think that they're demons who can literally only be defeated by his

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yelling which you make possible by buying his dumb pills.

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According to the Pew Research Center, something bad is happening with the people who are on

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the right right now in terms of higher education.

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If you look at the proportion of people on the left who believe college is a positive

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for the country, that number has been in the range of 67% to 72% from 2012 to the present

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day.

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Fluctuates a little bit but it's pretty much fairly consistent.

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Conversely, on the right, there is a distinct change that is very recent.

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In 2012, 53% of Republicans thought college was a positive and 54% in 2015.

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In 2017, that number dropped to 36% and now in 2019, it's 33.

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If you look at the graph, the approval and disapproval for college flipped.

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There's something happening and it happened in 2016 that is leading to a noticeable shift

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in right-wing opinions towards higher education.

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Oh, I don't understand.

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You know, it's anyone's guess why that's happening but I would imagine that the GOP becoming

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a party completely infiltrated by scam artists probably isn't helping but by all means, let

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me be clear, I would welcome Paul to show me some evidence of going to college makes

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you resistant to the greater conservatism of getting older but I suspect that's not

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coming anytime soon.

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It's so obvious.

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Just from my experience, just like personal experience on this regard is I grew up in

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a small town, isolated, everybody's the same, everybody believes the same bullshit.

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You get, what would you call it?

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I don't know, brainwashed there because it's such a small closed off community.

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It's not even brainwashed.

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It's like trained.

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Yeah, exactly.

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In culture.

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I'm ironically using that word and then you go to college or a city and you're exposed

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to so many different things and you realize, holy shit, I've been told that this was scary

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for forever.

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Now I'm doing it and it is not just not scary, it's great.

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It's fucking great.

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That's the way you explain all of this like, why are cities so blue and rural areas so

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red?

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Why is it that so many colleges, especially on the right, are trying to create their own

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isolated educational systems where they have complete control over what even can be said

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there?

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You look at that graph of the inverse from 2015 to 2017.

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It's really fucked up.

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Yeah, and that should be cause for alarm among the people on the right.

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One of... I mean, yeah, but no, one of your things of something that you've said repeatedly

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of how do we stop this horrible right wing propaganda is our only hope is education.

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You're like, well, now that the people we need to educate the most are actively hating

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education, then that makes that really, really difficult.

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Yeah.

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It's not impossible.

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Yeah, but I think that's probably strategically...

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Yeah, it's sound for them.

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It's what they think we would do if given the opportunity.

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Sure.

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So Paul, he's got some dumb things to say and he wants to complain a little bit about

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YouTube.

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Sure.

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Then let's get into PewDiePie.

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That's pretty big news.

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Is it?

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Well, it's the great awakening or it's the great backlash with PewDiePie and social media

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censorship more widely.

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Of course, YouTube instituted this new policy about insulting people based on all these

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different vague new categories, but the thing about it was they retroactively enforced it.

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So it's like if in America they passed a new federal law making marijuana completely illegal

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across the entire country, they could then retroactively go back and say, oh, you smoked

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marijuana or you talked about smoking weed two years ago, we're going to arrest you for

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it.

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That's how dumb YouTube's new policy is.

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The analogy Paul is trying to draw here is absolutely flawed and it doesn't work at all.

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That's how dumb Paul is.

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Yeah.

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Recently, YouTube rolled out some new changes about moderation of content that's deemed

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to be maliciously insulting people based on things that are considered protected classes

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like race, gender, et cetera.

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That's what he's saying.

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These vague, it's not vague.

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It's pretty specific.

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I don't feel like I'm maliciously insulting them.

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I'm proactively insulting them.

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Cool.

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Most of YouTube's march towards pretending they're a TV network and anyone who's surprised

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by these sorts of moves is either a fool or someone who probably makes money by maliciously

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insulting protected classes of people or both.

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PewDiePie has far more to worry about regarding the new rule that's set to kick in at the

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beginning of 2020 regarding how flagrantly YouTube has violated the Children's Online

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Privacy Protection Act, mostly because he has a gigantic audience of people under 13

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and there are rules regarding advertising to children that have been ignored by YouTube

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up till now.

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And if they're enforced, they'll very likely cut into his bottom line in a serious way.

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But that has nothing to do with what Paul is complaining about.

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Yeah.

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That is a big concern for someone like PewDiePie.

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PewDiePie's longstanding agreement with Camel cigarettes really isn't going to help him

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out on this one.

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It's going to be trouble.

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That's going to make this one.

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So the reason Paul's argument doesn't make sense is that one, YouTube deciding what content

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is or is not OK is not a law, and therefore there aren't ex post facto rules regarding

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their moderation decisions.

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But more importantly, two, content that's hosted online is constantly new, whereas if

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you smoked weed a year ago, that's one discrete act.

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It makes no sense to take action against a person for one discrete action they made prior

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to a law changing because that action has no effect on the change you're hoping to make

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through the law.

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The same is not true of videos that are maliciously harassing people.

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If you made a video a year ago, the effect of harm the rules are seeking to minimize

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is present with each new view of that video.

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Exactly.

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You could maybe make the argument that YouTube shouldn't harshly punish people for things

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that were OK before but are now against the rules, but Paul's angle is completely absurd.

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But the other problem is that these aren't new policies, really.

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They're just saying that they're going to expand on already existing rules and suggesting

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that maybe they should actually enforce stuff that already is in the rules.

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Yeah.

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It's hosted.

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Every click is a new...

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It's like a commercial running over and over and over again.

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It's not like a...

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Yeah.

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That's stupid.

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Very.

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So stupid.

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If Mr. Rogers had a YouTube channel and he was sounding the alarm on this rule change

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and not doing with this super flimsy weed legality analogy, I might take it a little

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more seriously because obviously he's not going to be affected by that rule change.

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As it is, Paul knows damn well that a policy change were maliciously insulting people based

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on protected attributes that effectively works directly against his business model.

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So this kind of sounds like a bully trying to fight anti-bullying rules by crying free

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speech.

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It feels hollow.

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And more than anything, it feels like Paul talking about his feelings.

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But he's masking it as a political opinion.

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I really think that Paul should be best.

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I really think he should strive to be best.

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Yeah.

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I think that's something that we don't talk about much because we don't talk about Paul

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that much, but I think is important.

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I need to point this out.

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Paul cannot form sensible analogies or comparisons.

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He thinks YouTube content rules are the same as arresting someone for something that was

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previously legal, when there's a bunch of reasons why that doesn't make any sense.

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He thinks that discussing voting patterns based on age is the same as the great replacement

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shit.

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He thinks that Twitter likes and retweets should match up with voting results.

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He's not very smart, is what I'm getting at.

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He delivers this shit with a smug presentation of knowing what he's talking about, but it's

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all ultimately meaningless.

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It's just a dumb guy saying dumb things that feel good to his audience because they give

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the veneer of intellect to their bigotries.

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He really could have used with some Marxist brainwashing.

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Little theory.

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Maybe even a community Marxist brainwashing, you know?

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He doesn't need to go to a full four-year Marxist brainwash camp.

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I didn't want to descend to that level lest I sound elitist, but I mean, any basic philosophy

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class would teach you why these analogies that he's drawing legitimately make no sense.

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It's not like I graduated.

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I dropped out, man.

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I'm still not displacement theorying shit.

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So PewDiePie, right?

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He's the biggest thing in the world, according to Alex.

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Sure.

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And these YouTube rules, they're going to screw him over.

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So that means that PewDiePie, according to Alex, needs to make his own YouTube.

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Anybody could launch an alternative to PewDiePie.

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And again, for older folks who don't know, he's got like a hundred billion views on YouTube

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alone.

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There's nothing bigger ever.

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I mean, you talk about just all the, anybody under 25 knows who he is and the guy's really

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funny.

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And again, he's bigger than all of the other media combined.

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We need, I mean, I mean, let me tell you what he plugs in for is it's massive.

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You've experienced the plug.

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We need him to join with us.

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Join with Sauron.

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Why do you always present yourself as the bad guy?

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Why are you joined with Sauron?

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Was he the secret protagonist of Lord of the Rings?

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Oh my God.

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If PewDiePie was on our side, that would solve all of my attention problems.

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Was he the one trying to destroy nuclear weapons?

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Probably.

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I think so.

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So in this next clip, Alex says something that I really think kind of undermines his

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reason to exist.

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People are going to reject the NWO, whether we're there opposing it or not.

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And that's, what's just so insane about the crazy left and the globalist in their bubbles

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and their big tower of Babel master plan.

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So according to him, everyone's just going to reject the new world order because anyway.

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So why do you need to exist?

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What is the point of his show if he's not doing anything that's not just going to happen

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naturally?

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I think somebody needs to point out that Kevin Nash is just too tall.

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He's just too tall, Dan.

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Sure.

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That's why he's here.

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Well, I mean, if this show is just Alex talking about his feelings and it's clearly not going

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to bleed to the political goal that he's seeking, probably should just get some therapy and

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be cool.

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He could.

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He could do that.

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It would be less.

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You make way less money selling pills.

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You have to pay for therapy, whereas people pay you for free lies.

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True.

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So Paul is on.

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He said some stupid shit and he's done.

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And now Alex has Owen Schroyer on and man, if he, if, if Paul is dumb, Owen Schroyer

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is just a rock.

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Let's find out.

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Wind the clocks back, Alex.

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And if you remember in 2016, obviously most of the audience will remember the Carl the

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cuck age Skrillex video, that video in 2016 created a new genre of content where people

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now go out and confront Trump protesters, exposing how they don't know what they're

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talking about, exposing how they're falling for false narratives, exposing how they're

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all parrots, clearly being trained and practiced as these AstroTurf protests that goes viral.

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Now, Alex, we've seen in a very shortened time span in the, in the cyclone of time here

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as it gets tighter, now we already have, after what I did Monday, dozens of videos of politicians

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being confronted.

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This is some of the most flagrantly self-congratulatory shit I've ever seen.

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I feel like I just heard him come a little bit.

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He's jerking himself off so hard.

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Ridiculous.

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This is unreal.

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Owen Schroyer is getting up here on the mic and pretending that he pioneered a new genre

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of entertainment when he yelled at some Trump protesters in 2016.

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And now with his publicity stunt at the impeachment hearing, he's done it again.

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After I heroically transformed the entire media landscape single-handedly, Alex.

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It's like Howard Stern.

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Yeah.

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Owen Schroyer is truly the most innovative entertainer of our time.

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He's just constantly changing the game and elevating the art of yelling-based publicity

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stunts.

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Traitor!

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I would like a Pulitzer, thank you very much.

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Anybody?

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Anybody out here at Pulitzer's for this?

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On the one hand, this is sad.

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But on the other hand, it's really sad.

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Like I said, he hosted the Sunday show this week, and he started the show by reading basically

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the same script about how he invented a new form of entertainment when he yelled at some

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Trump protesters, and now after yelling at Congress, another new genre has emerged.

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Wow.

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Leaving aside how Owen was definitely not the first person to record themselves arguing

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with protesters, and how everybody preferred the guy who threw his shoe at George Bush,

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I'd like to remind him of something else.

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You may recall that a video of Owen made the rounds in 2017 where a young girl calls him

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a fucking idiot and gives him the finger.

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That is a new genre.

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After Owen tried to start an interview with her saying, quote, how are you young man?

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It was real fun to see this great kid out there, but what you might forget is that Owen

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immediately got on air on Info Wars and tried to play the victim, insisting that he'd opened

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the conversation saying, ma'am, not man, which makes no sense given that he literally says,

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how are you young man, and no one says young ma'am.

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Owen insisted that the media was lying about him and trying to malign him.

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He said, ma'am, and they were all saying that he said, man, it just wasn't fair.

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You might also forget that he started reading Bible verses on air that he took comfort in

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in his dark time, which interestingly is my favorite genre of entertainment.

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He did what?

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That Owen has pioneered, which is self-serving victimhood wallowing with a televangelism spin.

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Yeesh.

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You sit next to Alex reading Bible verses.

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Reading Bible verses?

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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Because a young girl had called him a fucking idiot and everyone loved it.

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God, just go to Marxist brainwashing school.

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This dude is the worst, but he also is just so not interesting.

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This is just a desperate attempt to be little Alex, but he just doesn't have the chops.

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Like Alex can yell about how he created investigative journalism by breaking into Bohemian Grove

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and it's clearly bullshit, but you kind of wonder if Alex actually believes what he's

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saying.

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Yeah.

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With Owen, you know he doesn't believe this shit.

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It kind of takes the intrigue out of it.

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Who could?

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Who could believe that they created?

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It's so flimsy.

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It's not even interesting.

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Yeah.

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That's bananas.

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That is bananas.

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You can create a new genre of a clip on TikTok, but you cannot do that on YouTube.

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Yeah.

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So this whole thing with Owen is largely just about how we get attention.

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They're talking about creating these new genres as a way of being like, we get so many views

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on this stuff.

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Look at all the eyeballs on us.

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That means we're good.

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And so they talk about another part of this here.

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President Trump tweeted out our great reporter, Will Johnson, out there at the Capitol.

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He's got a mic flag for his other organizations we encourage him to use so he doesn't get

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physically assaulted by leftists.

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And so that they retweet those videos.

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You notice they don't retweet the InfoWars videos unless they don't have the InfoWars

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mic.

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Absolutely.

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Trump's retweeted some of them, but we've done that so it makes it easier.

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What Alex is talking about here is how one of his employees, Will Johnson, host of Firepower,

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which may not exist anymore, I'm not entirely sure, he was interviewed by CBS News back

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on December 10th, masquerading as just a normal everyday Trump supporter, hanging out at the

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rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

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Will was not identified as a person who works in the media, nor as an employee of InfoWars,

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but just some guy who believed that if Trump is removed, there would be a second Civil

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War.

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If someone who worked on air at like the Young Turks was interviewed at a Bernie event, Alex

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would never stop talking about media manipulation.

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It was a plant!

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It was a plant!

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He was just, they were there pushing a narrative, those evil globalists!

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Yep, but when he does it himself, it's just being shrewd.

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Hey, we're smart as fuck out here, buddy.

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Can't not think about Larry Nichols blackmailing Congress on air in terms of, eh, it's fine.

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It's fine if we do it.

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Obviously, it's sloppy as hell for CBS to not vet this interview and present it how

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they did, and it's profoundly unethical for Will Johnson to not identify himself, so his

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interview could be taken in its proper context.

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As it stands, his behavior amounts to misrepresenting himself by omission in order to inject InfoWars

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talking points into another network's coverage, which normal journalists would not do.

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But this is the thing, Alex and everyone at InfoWars knows full well by this point that

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taken in their proper context, they will always be ignored, laughed at, or yelled at.

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That's why Alex tells people to misrepresent themselves when they're out doing interviews

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by using non-InfoWars mics, pretending you don't work at InfoWars, because he knows that

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no one presenting themselves as an InfoWars employee will ever be taken seriously by normal

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people.

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They will never be able to conduct an interview because everyone knows their brand is shit.

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Alex is keenly aware of this, but seems to think there's virtue in baking deceit into

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all of his field pieces, which is a really bad sign.

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If you're a reporter in the field and you misrepresent who you work for because you

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know that your interview subject would respond differently to you if they knew who you worked

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for, anything that takes place in that interview is tainted.

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It's taking place under false pretenses, and that's fine with Alex because he can't do

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anything else anymore.

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Even Jay Leno's man on the street interviews, the guy was like, I'm from Jay Leno.

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They know that if you're on Jay Leno as a man on the street interview, you're going

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to look like an idiot.

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That's just how, even then they're like, yeah, sure, I'll give an interview with you guys

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or whatever.

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It's fun.

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Yeah.

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When Owen went to disrupt the impeachment hearing inquiry, he got arrested, right?

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Sure.

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Because that's what happens.

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Yeah.

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But in this next clip, they complain about people who interrupted the Kavanaugh hearing

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and how they didn't get arrested.

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Didn't they get arrested?

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We'll talk about it.

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Yeah.

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I love how you tweeted out on the Owen Shorter Twitter, a London Guardian article where they

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were lying about Kavanaugh last year, how valiant it was.

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Women fight back.

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Wonderful.

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But when you did, it's disruptive and evil and bad.

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Yeah.

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And well, I don't necessarily want to get into some of the logistics of the legal battle

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that I may be encroaching on right now.

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But you know, I was arrested.

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I was sent to jail.

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They weren't.

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Why am I such a criminal?

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You know, I was perfectly cooperative.

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I didn't even try to stay five times longer than you.

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And they weren't arrested.

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Good point.

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And by the way, good point.

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Good point, Dan.

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Good things first.

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Good to see that the crushing bias against conservatives on Twitter somehow hasn't affected

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Owen fucking Shroyer still having an account, which is verified, by the way.

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He didn't retweet Boris Johnson's Election Day tweet, though, so.

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If you do literally any research at all, you'll find a lot of people were arrested for protesting

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the Kavanaugh hearings.

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Emma Goldberg wrote about her experience getting arrested for disrupting the hearing in a piece

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in USA Today.

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On September 4th, 2018, it was reported by Politico that the police announced they had

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arrested approximately two dozen protesters, and ultimately that number would reach 70

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arrests that day, among them Linda Sarsour and actress Piper Parabo.

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Or you could find articles in The Washington Post about protests against the confirmation

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process leading to 128 arrests at the Capitol building on September 24th.

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Oh, and then there's an article you can easily find in The Guardian about how on October

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4th, over 300 protesters engaged in a sit-in to oppose the impending vote for confirmation

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were all arrested.

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I just don't get it.

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No Muslim leaders are out here condemning these radical Islamic attacks.

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There's just none of them.

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A whole lot of people were arrested in Kavanaugh-related protests, including people, mostly women,

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who disrupted the hearing.

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So that raises the question, why are Alex and Owen just sitting here lying and saying

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these people weren't arrested?

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Well, they feel like they weren't arrested.

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That's exactly right.

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It feels like these women weren't arrested to Alex.

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His opinion is that that didn't happen because it doesn't fit with his worldview.

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So it's then reported as fact that these women had no consequences for what they did, whereas

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his noble, upstanding son Owen was so unfairly treated for being a patriot.

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This is legitimately how the sausage is made, by lying.

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Fucking Jean Fonda is out here getting arrested.

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What are we, what are you talking about, nobody?

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Fuck you, Shroyer.

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Engaging in civil disobedience requires a certain amount of acceptance of risks.

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If you're going to disrupt a congressional hearing, you need to prepare yourself that

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you might get arrested.

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That's just the possible cost of engaging in the conduct you feel is morally necessary.

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And if you believe that, you'll accept the punishment and carry on the fight.

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If you're doing it for a publicity stunt, you'll probably do what Owen and Alex are

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doing here.

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You'll pretend it's an outrage you got arrested, you'll lie that no one else gets arrested

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for this, and you'll try to get as much attention for yourself out of it, as opposed to keeping

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attention squarely on the matter that your civil disobedience was supposed to highlight.

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For instance, like, you don't remember that Piper Parabo was arrested in the Kavanaugh

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hearings because she didn't make it about herself.

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That seems odd.

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Alex hates Linda Sarsour, and he doesn't even remember that she got arrested.

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He doesn't remember because they kept attention squarely on the protest, as opposed to this

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being self-aggrandizing bullshit.

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Put simply, Alex and Owen are children who create completely fictional realities, which

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they present as factual, because the lies better conform to their feelings than reality

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does.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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If my reality is this, I feel good.

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And if it's not, I feel bad.

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So just because reality is different from that doesn't mean I'm gonna get in the way

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of me feeling good.

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It feels good.

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Feels good.

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I would rather feel good than bad.

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Yeah.

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This entire Owen interview seems to be mostly an excuse to end up playing a video of a guy

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yelling at Joe Biden about his son's actions in Ukraine, about how Trump is innocent, than

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he yells Infowars.com.

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Owen and Alex revel in this celebratory laughs and talk about how this is a big victory and

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a total slam dunk, because people are going out there and they're confronting these politicians.

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They seem to be acting like this is completely organic and natural, like people out there

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just out of their own accord or showing up and yelling Infowars at politicians because

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Infowars is so successful and so real, Cher.

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But unfortunately, I listened to Alex's show.

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And thus, I recall how on September 29th, 2019, Alex got on air and made a big deal

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out of telling his listeners to go to Democratic candidate events and do exactly this.

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He talked about how in the past with the Bill Clinton is a Rapist contest, he paid out hundreds

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of thousands of dollars to people that got on the news plugging Infowars, and he couldn't

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afford to do that now, but the implication was still there that he would reward people

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who got him the optics he wanted.

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At very least, you'd have to expect to get to be a guest on his show if you did what

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Alex wanted.

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I mean, he's had that 30-year-old guy who sued his parents for kicking him out of the

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house on more than once.

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Yeah, the bar is real low.

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Very low.

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Yeah.

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This underlies another super unethical thing that Alex does as it relates to presenting

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the truth.

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He interferes with the stories he's pretending to report.

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You cannot possibly report on a story like guy yells Infowars at Joe Biden when you've

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explicitly told your viewers to go yell Infowars at people like Joe Biden.

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Unless you make clear that this person is doing the yelling, they were directly told

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to do this by your show.

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Alex's actions are the root of this story, so him presenting it as a grassroots citizen

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yelling Infowars at Biden is completely disingenuous.

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This person yelling at Joe is tainted.

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Because Alex has made it super clear many times in the past that getting Infowars.com

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in the plug is part of the condition of payment, as it was the case in the Bill Clinton contest.

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It's part of the Infowars universe.

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All of his listeners know that if you're going to do something like this, Alex will promote

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it if you promote him.

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It's a reciprocal thing, and not acknowledging that is unethical on Alex's part.

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Can you imagine if fucking a presenter at CNN just started going like, yeah, so next

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week we'd really like to cover a war, so if somebody could start a war for us, that way

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we'll have the coverage that we want.

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We've already got some groundwork laid down.

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Doesn't matter who starts the war, let's just do that.

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That example might be too extreme, but yeah, it's the same behavior.

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I would ask you to tone that down in scale a little bit.

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I recognize that it's dumb of me to expect good work from these dudes, but that these

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things- What are they, Barnes?

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Things like employees misrepresenting themselves and failing to acknowledge how they are the

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cause of the stories they're reporting, these are fundamentals.

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No organization that's willing to engage in those kinds of basic malpractice can be trusted

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with anything they do.

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These are bedrock issues.

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You should have to go to journalism Marxist brainwashing school for this.

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It could help.

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Oh man, that's 101 shit at Marxist journalism brainwashing.

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I saw a few things like CNN should have done more vetting and I got that, but no self-respecting

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journalist would not be like, hey, I work for the Guardian and then we can still do

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the interview.

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It's insane to me that he just lied to them and people are, yeah.

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It made me uncomfortable when we learned that Adan Salazar, one of Alex's producers was

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following us on Twitter because I was worried about the effect that our existence could

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have on the product that we're covering and we're not journalists.

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We consider that and Alex is flagrantly dismissive of it because it works better for him.

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So Alex gets into, this is just sort of a shitty setup for a plug.

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There's no way that globalists can win if their systems are challenged.

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That's why they bring in the political correctness, which is really just authoritarianism to shut

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down speech, but it's not working.

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It's going the same course it always has.

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They thought because they got a bunch of fancy high tech systems and they're trying to take

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people's bank accounts away that we're like communist China, that it's going to work here.

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Because China is on the verge of collapse.

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This is not going to go well if good men and women stand up and say no.

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And if you find our operation, you know, that's the only weak link here.

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See, this is so explicit.

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Good men and women, like your ancestors did in the revolutionary war, you stand up by

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paying me money.

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Yeah.

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Also, by the way, 12 days of Christmas sale currently going on.

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All right.

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On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me, brain force, on the second day

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of Christmas, my true love gave to me, krill oil, krill oil gives you the burpees.

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Whichever one is cocaine.

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Yeah.

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Ugh.

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Ridiculous.

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That's so stupid.

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So interestingly, I mean, you have a lot of conversation on this episode, mostly because

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of Owen Troyer being on, of these stunts that they've been doing lately.

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And in this next clip, Alex makes it clear that they've paid off, sort of.

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We've probably had triple the traffic the last week that we've had in the last six months.

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That is not translated into any extra sales at Infowarsstore.com, because new listeners

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come through, they watch, they listen, okay, it's interesting, but it's the hardcore fans

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that buy the products that literally do all of this.

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So what's the most important part, let's say, in a bulldozer running over the globalist?

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The treads, the wheels, the engine, the scoop on the front.

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It's all very important, but the fuel is paramount.

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And that's my allegory.

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So Alex's traffic tripling now is so much smaller than it would have been in the past.

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Like when we were going over the Boston bombing period, his traffic doubling and multiplying

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by 10 back then is a gigantic...

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Millions, yeah.

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In this case, it's probably just some people who are like, hey, Owen Schroyer interrupted

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the, let's go see what this fucking dude is up to.

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We went from 25,000 hits to 75,000 hits.

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Something like that.

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And maybe not that small, but something like that.

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It's not that...

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It's not millions.

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It's not good, yeah.

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And it's not people who are interested in what he's doing now.

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It's a curiosity.

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Yeah, let's see what this spectacle is all about.

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And he can't translate that into any money now, which is really encouraging.

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That's actually very encouraging to me.

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It would make just as much sense for him to like put a bowl out and have people put tips

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in there every time they clicked.

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Yeah.

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I mean, this tells me, at least on some level, that the thing that Alex can work towards,

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which is getting more people to watch him, through publicity, stunts, doing all these

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sorts of things, it doesn't work.

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Doesn't translate into his business surviving.

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And again, that's only taking his word for it, who knows what the reality is.

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But based on what he's saying...

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It feels true.

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Yeah, it feels like there probably aren't a lot of options left for what he can do to

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right the ship.

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Yeah.

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But we'll see.

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His entire career, attention equals money.

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And now, no matter how much attention he gets, the money stays the same.

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So he just doesn't understand the math here.

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No, that just means that I need more attention.

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And it's like, that's not how it works anymore.

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Attention no longer equals money for you.

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Yep.

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So speaking of attention, Alex has Zach the whistleblower on.

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And I'll say that this clip is a really good sort of boil down of why this dude is real

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dumb.

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Zach Voorhees, big Google whistleblower, about to expose vaccines starting the next segment.

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You were telling me about this article out of Breitbart that I hadn't seen.

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So dumb.

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So dumb.

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Google whistleblower Zach Voorhees is on to talk about vaccine research he's done.

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Oh, you were telling me about an article in Breitbart.

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Every piece of that sentence is stupid.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I...

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Anyway.

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We've got you here to talk about an article on Breitbart.

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You read and I didn't.

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Let's hear some brilliant analysis about somebody else's bullshit.

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This is one of the more convoluted paths that I've ever seen somebody walk on Alex's show.

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So it starts with voting issues.

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It then gets into abortion and then it comes back to voting issues.

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Are David Bowie and Jennifer Connelly going to show up because this is a labyrinth?

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I had to take a walk around the apartment after I got through a couple of these clips.

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Okay.

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I was just like, oh.

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Holy shit.

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All right.

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I'll do my best to track it.

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It's one of those things where you think someone's really dumb and then you keep listening and

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you're like, I overestimated you.

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So here's the first clip.

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And now there's a lawsuit that says, hey look, Detroit, you're using dead people to vote

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and their response is not that no, we're not.

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They're saying, no, that's racist for you to even think that that's happening.

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It's a direct attack on people of color.

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It's like, come on.

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Why is accusing them of voting dead people to vote a direct attack on people of color?

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I don't get it.

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So when I say that Zach is really not that smart, I'm mostly talking about his inability

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to properly assess information and express it because the level at which he seems to

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be able to do that is startling because he's an adult.

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Although it does kind of go a long way toward explaining why he thought those documents

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he gave Project Veritas meant anything.

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He just doesn't understand much.

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So the suit that he's talking about in Detroit has nothing to do with any proof of someone

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ever voting in a dead person's name.

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It has to do with there being a lot of dead people still on the voter rolls.

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It's less a problem of any kind of actual voter fraud and more an issue of shoddy record

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keeping.

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This is true in probably every city in the country.

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Yeah, most likely.

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These databases are really hard to maintain.

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And if the political capital that Alex and Zach want to expend on this is solely an initiative

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in order to make sure dead people aren't on voter rolls, then by all means, they should

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make that their primary issue.

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Yeah, I'd be fine with that.

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I don't think anyone's going to ever contest that.

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Yeah.

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Except for people who don't want to put the money into that because they just don't want

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it.

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Yeah.

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And Alex and him probably wouldn't want that anyway because that's funny.

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It's government overreach.

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Yeah.

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But here's the issue.

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That's not their issue.

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The actual real world concern is that there are poorly updated voter rolls, which in no

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way proves that people are voting in dead people's names.

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In order to remedy this issue, these people like Alex and Zach, they don't advocate for

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more resources being directed to the departments that maintain these rolls.

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Instead, they want voter ID laws to be enacted, which is solving the wrong problem.

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Consistently, studies have shown that measures like voter ID laws disproportionately affect

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voters in predominantly non-white districts.

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So when that's the sort of solution you have to a completely unrelated problem, it makes

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sense that it seems like you might be less interested in the real problem and more interested

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in justifying your actual goal, which is voter disenfranchisement.

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I think you might have just answered Zach's question at the end of there.

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Maybe.

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He didn't understand it.

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It didn't make sense to him now.

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Now, I assume after you explaining it using reality, he will change his mind.

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Probably not, but honestly, I don't really know if it is actual confusion or false confusion

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for performance.

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I'm not sure.

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With Zach, I don't know.

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He really could just be incapable of comprehension.

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And that's borne out by these clips, because he gets onto another story, and like I said,

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it pivots to abortion.

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I wasn't sure why.

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It seemed out of left field.

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Also, there's an interesting story that my friend dug up, where he discovered that certain

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aborted children in California don't have to be issued a death certificate.

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And yeah, this is true.

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This is true.

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So I don't believe for a second that the small government anti-bureaucracy world of Infowars

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is really concerned with a fucking government requiring more paperwork.

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It's pretty hard to imagine that they're taking issue with some abortions not requiring death

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certificates, because they're super into death certificates, and the requirements-

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Oh, we love paperwork!

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In reality, I believe that this is just an attempt to frame the opposite side of a conservative

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initiative.

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There are Republicans currently trying to pass a bunch of bills that would make accessing

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reproductive healthcare more burdensome on people, particularly there's one in Pennsylvania

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that's being discussed right now.

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Many people interpret this just being purely based on trying to create subtle punishment

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for things like abortions.

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The bill in Pennsylvania would require burial or cremation for all fetal remains, and would

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require death certificates in all cases, even including miscarriages.

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These sorts of measures don't do anything.

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They don't provide better healthcare.

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They don't serve anyone's interests.

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But they do create expenses for people seeking reproductive healthcare, and make things like

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an abortion way more costly.

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Because if you don't do the things that you're required to do based on this bill, you could

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be hit up with a fine up to $300, as I've read.

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It does feel like so many of these people are like, well, all of our ideas are unpopular

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and stupid.

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How about instead we punish the poor into the behavior that we want them to have?

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How about we financially destroy people who act the way we don't want them to?

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These sorts of measures really only exist to punish.

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The best way to frame the discussion is to not talk about those bills like that.

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It's to say, hey, did you know that some places don't require death certificates for abortions?

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And then feign outrage about it.

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These dudes don't give a fuck about death certificates.

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They're just looking for whatever Trojan horse they can use to attack reproductive rights.

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Or at least that's how people generally use this sort of rhetoric.

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I should have known better, and that Zach would have a theory about this that would

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out-stupid anything I've ever heard, and of course he does.

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Certain aborted children in California don't have to be issued a death certificate.

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And there.

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Yeah, this is true.

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This is true.

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And there is this theory of, well, why would they do that?

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Is it because they are registering to vote as Democrats 18 years later?

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Wow.

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That is the long con, Dan.

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That is the game right there.

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That is- Holy shit.

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That's pretty nuts.

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Holy shit, Dan.

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Does he think that all of the dead people who are on the voter rolls don't have death

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certificates for them?

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Oh, man.

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What is his, what is going on?

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Does he think every aborted fetus has a name?

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This is- That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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It's staggeringly dumb.

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That is incredible.

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It's impressively stupid.

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It really is.

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It really is, because that makes no sense.

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If you are capable of putting yourself into anybody else's brain, that thought would never

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occur to them.

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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I get it.

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Here's why they're not issuing death certificates.

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So in 20 years, they'll be able to fake vote.

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That makes perfect sense, Dan.

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When did they start doing that?

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Are they only starting the program now?

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You get to a certain level where you're just like, I can't talk to you.

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I can't believe Alex doesn't end the interview after that ridiculous theory.

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And not just that, he goes, oh, that's a new one.

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He doesn't push back on it either.

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No, no, no, no, not at all.

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Of course.

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That makes sense.

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But that means that there would have to be a really complicated log of something with

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staggered dates where people would be available to...

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The infrastructure on that plan costs more than the death certificate plan.

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I just don't know.

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When I hear stuff like that, I'm like, I can't imagine listening to this show and these things

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not being like gigantic red flags, like gigantic wake up calls.

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You hear Alex not treat someone like that as if they are dangerously insane.

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I don't know how you can just think like, oh yeah, Alex has got a good head on his shoulders.

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He thinks this guy's worth talking to.

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Yeah, you know, I don't think that physical violence is the answer, but if I'm going to

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go through the steps of how I would deal with this, if he said this to me in person, just

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like at a bar or something, he says that and I'm going to start laughing like a lunatic.

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And then he's going to stare at me weirdly because he believes it's true.

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I'm going to recognize he believes it's true.

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And then I'm going to go, no.

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And my first instinct will be like, the only way to solve this problem is with a slap,

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but then I'll just walk away.

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Because what do you say?

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What do you say?

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There's nothing to say.

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And you know what the problem is too.

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He was a software engineer or software person at Google for eight years.

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You kind of got to assume he went to Marxist brainwashing camp.

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So like some sort of Marxist brainwashing camp.

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I don't know what kind of education is going to help this one.

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You can teach yourself to code.

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A lot of people teach themselves to code.

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I'm assuming.

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I'm assuming.

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But yeah, that's that's this guy.

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That's that's staggering.

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This guy's a mess.

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That's staggering.

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So he thinks that there's these real problems with voting.

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And he, he has a, an interesting example of voting done right.

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We should look to Iraq to really at how to vote because they got it down cold.

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They take your finger, you dip it in ink after you vote, and then you can only, you know,

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put your finger in ink once and that's it.

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Does your finger have ink on it?

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Sorry, you can't vote anymore.

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You know?

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Notoriously, not full of voting problems, Iraq.

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Yeah.

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I didn't think you could top it.

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I definitely thought you would have to do some work to top the, maybe they're voting

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in 18 years under aborted fetuses names, but we should follow Iraq's example.

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And you can only dip your finger in ink once is a boy.

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I mean, this guy, you just, he is like a pinata.

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That's just never empty.

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There's always a little bit of candy left in there.

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You just keep shaking them.

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And he has another thought here about, I don't about voting.

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I'm scared now in California, now in Oregon, you don't even have to come into vote.

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You can send in a mail-in ballot.

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And whenever I see a state instituting a mail-in ballot, I realized, okay, this is paving the

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way for massive election fraud.

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That's going to come in.

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It's supposed to equals four, which is racist.

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Absentee voting in and of itself is proof of intention to commit voter fraud.

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According to this guy who believes that aborted fetuses are voting, that Iraq system is the

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way to go.

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Zach, in two seconds, this is how long it took me to think of this.

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So you think voters, you think military people and US citizens overseas should not be allowed

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to vote?

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Totally.

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You should vote there.

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Goodbye.

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Or what about people who are like, you know, bedridden or something like that?

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Yeah.

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Nope.

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Shouldn't be able to vote.

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Okay.

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Only able-bodied people.

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We should also institute a poll tax.

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And boy, how are many other ways to be racist, can we?

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I mean, what about people who just have schedules such that they can't take the time to go to

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vote, but they want to vote?

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Well.

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You should offer that option to people.

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There are ways to do it that are super controllable.

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This is, this, I don't even, I don't even know.

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I don't even have a response.

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This is so poorly thought through.

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Yeah.

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No, this is, this.

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Thank God this guy has researched vaccines.

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I'm waiting for Zach to be like, a lot of people on the left want to make voting day

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an official holiday.

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And I think we should institute a 23 and a half hour workday on there mandatory to make

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sure that everybody votes on time.

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Yeah.

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You have to prove you want it.

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Yeah.

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We get a lunch break.

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And also all crime is legal for 24 hours.

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Why not?

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So look, dude, this dude is a mess.

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As bananas.

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There are, if we'd encountered him two years ago, he might be up there with my favorite

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crazies.

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Yeah.

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Like he might be someone who I'm like.

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He might be a Hamamoto in a different context whenever everybody's not a white supremacist

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at the end of this.

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And he didn't, I didn't, I didn't know that he believed in a Zog.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he went through different eyes.

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Right.

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But for now I'm tired.

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This could have been our original guy with the telescope right here.

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Yeah.

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I, I am weird.

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I'm world weary.

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And now Zach does not charm me in the way he might have before.

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Nothing surprises me in 2019.

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And I want to tell you Zach, I'm sorry.

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I could have really enjoyed you in the past, but now I think you suck.

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You're the dumbest person I've, I just never, I've never heard of anything this stupid before.

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But you haven't hurt his feelings on vaccines.

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He does not have more feelings.

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His opinions are done.

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He does.

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He has a feelings about vaccine.

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How is Alex even responding to this with a straight face?

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This is amazing.

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Cause Zach was in a project Veritas video and has a little bit of celebrity to him and

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Alex wants to see if we can work with it.

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So he's going to talk vaccines.

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Alex has the vaccine insert, right?

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His big, uh, foldy piece of paper that he thinks proves all of his narratives.

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Yeah.

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He's going to pull a computer chip out of it on Tuesday, right?

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They talk about like potential side effects or vaccines, like I don't think anyone's denying

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any of those things exist as they do with all medicine.

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But Alex thinks he's found a slam dunk in the insert.

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And if you listen to him read this, he accidentally contradicts his entire narrative and then

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tries to just laugh as if he has it.

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Okay.

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Look at this death from various and in some cases, unknown causes as reported rarely following

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vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines, however, a causal relationship has

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not been established in healthy individuals.

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See contradictions, contraindications, no death or permanent.

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What does that say?

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Permanent sequelae reported in the published post-marketing surveillance study in Finland

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involving 1.5 million children and adults who were vaccinated with MMR.

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Whoops.

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Oh, but don't worry.

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Look.

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Oh, that was back in 1982.

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Everything's fine.

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Great save.

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Great save.

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He just saw, he just saw the word death.

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Is there an infection in the info wars today?

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Is that what's going on?

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Was there, did, did somebody forget to take their vaccines or something?

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Jesus.

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It's um, it is, it's, it's spreading.

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It's spreading.

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I mean, this is what happens when you have a flimsy ass argument and you think you have

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the proof and you have no familiarity with the proof that you're trying to present.

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You end up reading something stray in there.

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And if you're unlucky, like Alex just was, you will end up reading how this literally

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is saying the opposite of what you're trying to present.

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So that's good.

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Now, Zach, though he is not an expert in any of this, in anything, he did get a vaccine

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one time.

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Good.

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For him.

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And he has some feelings about it.

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While I was working at Google, um, I decided that I wanted to get a vaccinated against

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HPV.

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Who wouldn't?

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Right.

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You take a shot and all of a sudden there's one less thing to worry about.

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And then after getting the shot, I started getting kind of sick, like headachy, start

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getting like the flu a lot.

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Um, and now in retrospect, what I suspect is that I suspect that the vaccine was a contributing

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factor.

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I suspect this because of all the poisons that are in these, these vaccines.

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That's your feeling on it.

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What's your definition of getting the flu a lot?

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I suspect this.

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How many, how many?

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This means nothing.

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This is that's.

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And that's a whole lot of what they present is just like, Alex is like, my uncle got a

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tetanus shot.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I mean, at least this is baseline stupid.

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This isn't way out in the, we should follow Iraq's example for voting.

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Yeah.

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It's mostly anecdotal stuff that is like, okay, I don't know your uncle, Alex.

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I don't know if you're telling the truth about this and even if you are, it doesn't mean

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anything.

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Okay.

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Alex, you just read a thing saying there was a study, uh, done with 1.5 million healthy

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children, uh, that showed no causal connection between that stuff.

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And then you presented as evidence against it.

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Your uncle didn't like a tetanus shot.

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And Zach got a Gardasil vaccine and suspect suspects.

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So, so I'm, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, I'm going to trust the big one.

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This is how this stuff works.

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This is how stuff like Alex works and why that feeling aspect is so dangerous is because

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what he's doing is he's appealing to people's parts of the brain that work on narrative

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and they work on story.

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So the story that may or may not be true of Alex's uncle getting a shot and they got hurt

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by it, that is more compelling than this study of 1.5 million people.

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Well, you can wrap your head around, Oh, I know somebody who's gotten a shot before and

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maybe I think they did act a little strange.

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That's the part of the brain that's being hijacked.

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Now, like I said, Zach is dumb and here he shows himself to also be dumb in the field

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of vaccines.

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Ever know anyone with a peanut allergy?

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Yes.

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Do you know why that that peanut allergy happened?

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Stop.

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Stop right there.

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They were using peanut oil as an adjuvant for vaccine and now they've stopped and now

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the peanut allergies are, have gone way down and that's why, Ooh, you eat a peanut almost

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kills you.

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Yeah.

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No one talks about it.

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I did nothing.

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I didn't want to steal the punchline.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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But Hey, what's wrong with the dime from peanut allergy?

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It's liberal.

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So Alex knew the answer to that question, but he didn't want to steal.

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Zach is very dumb.

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There's a narrative in anti-vax circles that is very common.

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That peanut oil was used in vaccines as an adjuvant and this explains peanut allergies.

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That sounds pretty out there, but it's very common in that world.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Every single instance of this narrative popping up traces back to one source.

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There may be a bunch of books that make the claim and there may be a ton of websites repeating

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it, but if they had to produce their concrete source on it, it would all point to one single

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thing which is an article in the New York Times from 1964 that they're misrepresenting.

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The article does mention that there were clinical trials being done by Merck that involved vaccines

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with a peanut oil based adjuvant in it, but the article in no way demonstrates that these

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trials resulted in the product being approved for human or even non-human use.

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This article, as well as another from 1966 about a public discussion of the clinical

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trial, are presented in the book The Peanut Allergy Epidemic by a woman named Heather

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Frazier, which is the source Zach probably thinks he's citing here.

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Very popular book in these circles.

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Snopes looked into the claims about the peanut oil adjuvant being used in vaccines given

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to the public and Frazier, the author of this book, replied to them, quote, adjuvant 65-4,

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which is the peanut oil one, was never licensed for use in the United States.

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I did not mean to suggest that this adjuvant was used outside of clinical trials in the

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United States.

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This person who wrote the book even says the peanut oil adjuvant wasn't used outside of

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these clinical trials and yet the narrative persists because it makes sense.

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It feels right.

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I hate these people so much.

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It feels like it makes sense.

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I hate them so much.

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Peanut oil being in the vaccines would make you allergic to peanuts.

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It feels right.

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It makes the narrative sense.

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I'm not saying that that's against the law.

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There should be a law.

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Zach is just repeating complete bullshit.

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He probably read on natural news and Alex is allowing this because this accurately depicts

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how they feel like vaccines work.

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None of this is real.

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It's all nonsense.

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When it's a public health risk, shouldn't there be some sort of like FCC, like we'll

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send him a couple letters of like, clearly this is false content.

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Please take this down.

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We got plenty of time.

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We're not angry with you.

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Maybe you didn't know.

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Maybe this wasn't malicious.

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I don't know how you do that, but it feels like you should.

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There's got to be something because that's just evil.

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That's just evil.

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That's killing people with dumb bullshit lies.

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There's not much really in terms of the meat about the vaccine stuff that Zach has researched.

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That's not a surprise to me.

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There is a lot of peanut, but not a lot of meat.

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Not a lot of meat.

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It's really dumb.

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So they talk about this, like there's riffing, like about how vaccines are evil, just making

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stuff up, coming up with a straight conspiracy fact here, conspiracy fact there.

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And then Alex talks about how he's not allowed back on Rogan anymore because he'll say stuff

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like this.

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You know, I'm not allowed back on right now because it was the number one podcast he ever

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did.

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Was your interview.

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Yeah.

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Number one he's ever done.

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It's confirmed, but just, I'm not, when you're number one, you're not allowed to be on air.

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You understand how that works folks?

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Guys will tell you, read the vaccine inserts.

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I mean, just don't believe me.

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It's right here.

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Just can't have that.

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Small point.

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Alex's second appearance on Rogan's show does have 16 million views and it's his second

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