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N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating

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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledgefight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys

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saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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Stop it, Andy and, Andy and Kansas

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Andy, Andy, it's time to pray

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us

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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your world

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knowledgefight

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knowledgefight.com

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I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around drink novelty beverages

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Indeed we are Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Have you ever been trapped in a snowstorm?

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Yeah, yeah, actually I have a couple times in my life

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Yeah, like, like trapped outside, not like trapped in your apartment

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by a lot of storm

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No, I've been snowed in before a couple times

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You've been snowed in, yeah

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And here I think, yeah, I mean like snowpocalypse

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Right, right, right, I recall

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I was in Chicago for that

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Right, we were all there for snowpocalypse

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There was one time there was a really terrible blizzard

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a number of years back

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and I was like real fucking in the dumps

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I wanted to get out of the house

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and my good buddy Nate Burrows

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he worked at a bar called, I believe it was Dukes

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was the bar that he was working at at the time

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and, you know, it's like everyone snowed in

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he's at the bar, all of the buddies are going over there

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to just drink

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Hell yeah

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You get snowed in at a bar, it's perfect

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That's the best place to be snowed in at

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I feel like it was the day of the Super Bowl too

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Sure

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I think it might be mixing up some memories

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Right, right, right

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He's like, come on, come to the bar, it'll be great

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and so I'm like, yeah, that's it, I'll get stuck there

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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That's better than being stuck in my stupid apartment

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That'll solve problems

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and so I took like five steps outside

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and I'm like, no fucking way

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I made it like, eh, nah

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There's my back inside and I don't know, watched YouTube

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Yeah, watched Alex Jones clubs

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No, it was pre-that

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But yeah, I don't know

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I don't mind the idea of getting snowed in

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You're mentioning this because we're having our first

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real snow of the season here in the Chicago land area

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Indeed we are, the kind where the

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It's pretty gorgeous out

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It is, it is

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The leaves haven't fallen off though

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so all the trees that were like 20 feet tall

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are now five feet tall

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There's a nice view out my window

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just a tree covered in snow

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It's very idyllic

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It is

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Looks like a tea box

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A box of tea bags

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Just some sort of celestial seasonings ass tableau

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out the window

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It looks to me a little bit like

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there should be teenagers throwing snowballs out there

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before they go fighting World War I

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Like it's that kind of old timey snow

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Yeah, I was out, I met up with a friend last night

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for a drink and I got an Uber

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because I was running late

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Lyft, excuse me

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And the guy was talking about

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Dare not speak its name

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The guy was telling me about how it's going to snow tomorrow

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and I realized I'm so out of touch with weather

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and the world

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You were like, what are these millennials talking about weather with?

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I hadn't heard that that was happening

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and I realized almost immediately

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who cares

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I could snow an inch, it could snow a foot

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I don't give a shit

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It does not affect me at all

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I work from home

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I have some food in my house

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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It's very strange, very strange

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Anyway, I don't have to be concerned about snow that much

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given my normal lifestyle now

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but I do have to be concerned about Alex Jones

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Yeah, and I guess I have to be concerned about both

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Yeah, a little bit

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Yeah

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So Jordan, today we got an interesting glimpse

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looking into the present day of Alex Jones

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Let's do it

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because we have been talking about time travelers

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in the past

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time traveling ourselves this week

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Indeed

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and we've not checked in on what Alex's dumb ass is up to

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So

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I assume he's protecting Deadspin writers

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That's all he's doing, right?

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Free speech

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Yeah, free speech, that's what it's about

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Curiously absent

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You're odd

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That is odd

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His coverage

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Doesn't seem to care at all

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We're going over October 30th, 2019

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I wanted to cover a wider span of time

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but it's just not possible given some of the things

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and I'll talk about that a little bit here in a moment

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but before we get to that

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I've got to take a moment, Jordan, to say thank you

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to the people who have signed up and are supporting the show

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So first, Jim, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Jim

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Next, Chris B, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you so much, Chris B

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Hey, join the conspiracy

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Next, Chris W, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Chris W

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This conspiracy of Chris is getting ridiculous

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It is getting out of control

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We are full up on Chrises

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How many Chrises are there?

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There are plenty and they're all loving the show

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We appreciate it, Chris

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Yes

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All of you Chrises

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All the Chrises

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Next, Bart, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Bart

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Next, Kelly, with an I

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K-E-L-L-I

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Dot that I with a heart, baby

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Thank you so much, Kelly

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Kelly

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Next, William, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, William

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Billy

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Hey, you don't know if he's a Billy

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Next, Anthony, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Anthony

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Fingers crossed, it's Scaramucci

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No, it's not Scaramucci

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We said some positive things about him

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In private, he goes by Tony

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And finally, Stanley, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Stanley

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking

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Hey, I enjoy this show

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I'd like to support the show

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What these guys do

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You can support it by going to our website

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There's a button that says support the show

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We would appreciate it

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We would love it

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So, Jordan, like I said

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We're doing the 30th here today

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And that's Wednesday of this week

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So, on the 29th, Alex is going on

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about just trying to, like, basically

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get a satanic panic going

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Sure

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And I thought about covering that

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And I looked into a lot of that stuff

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And what I realized is that we've talked about

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a lot of that already

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Yeah

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It's very the same thing

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Yeah, yeah

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That we've talked about over and over and over and over again

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And so, as much as I think it's important

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to keep an eye on that stuff

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The way that he's, you know, increasingly

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and consistently calling his enemies

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devils and demons

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Right, right, right, right

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Harkening back to the same things that happened

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in the early to mid 80s with, like, the

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McMartin's pre-school case

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You know, these things that we should have learned

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our lesson about in the past

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Which we never, ever, ever, ever will

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We have not

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Ever

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But his rhetoric and all this stuff is very the same

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I think it's important to make a note of it

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That this is a lot of the stuff he's doing

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But I don't know how important it is to really

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like, dwell in it repeatedly

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I mean, I think I can sum it up

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usually with just

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Hey, you know those marginalized groups?

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Not only should they remain marginalized

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but it's their fault they're marginalized

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And we should marginalize them further

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And they're Satan

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Yes, exactly

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So that's kind of what's going on

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on the 29th

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And I'm keeping an eye on it

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And as it develops, if there's a change

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and an escalation that I see

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I still think it's worthwhile to point out

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But I believe that the 30th

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is actually far more relevant

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to trends that we are seeing

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in Alex's show

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that are much scarier

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And so what we get

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over the course of this episode is

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some pretty, pretty fucked up

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white nationalism

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Sure, sure

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Which is not too surprising

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It's just us in the room now, guys

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It's just you and us, yeah

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You see some things happening on this episode

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that I think are exactly what

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you'd predict would happen on Alex's show

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Exactly the direction he's been going in for a while

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But you still really

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don't like to see it happening

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So we're gonna start here in this first clip

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And Alex is talking about

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He's addressing these new clips

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that have come out of Barack Obama

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saying that, hey, you know

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wokeness isn't advocacy

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Oh boy, here we go

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No, no, no, he barely talks about that

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Oh, okay, I'm sorry, never mind, you're right

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I should've assumed that it would be

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completely different

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Because there's also a clip of Michelle Obama

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that's come out that he can attack

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Which you would much rather do

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Always attack a black woman over anyone else

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That is the rule of the right

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So here is the first clip about that

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talking about these clips

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from the Obamas

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Any stuff you've ever heard

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Sure, sure, sure

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Michelle Obama talking about families

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being the same, whether they're immigrants

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Right, right, right

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Very KKK language

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Black KKK shit

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Cool

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Is he talking about the one where she's like

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white people moved away from black people

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Because that was literally

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white people moved away from black people

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and then they made it against the law

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to move closer to them

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So you talk about self-segregation

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and the phenomenon that happens

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It's not unique to white people

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No, no, no, absolutely

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But on a macro scale in terms of the way that society

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and cities have readjusted

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a lot of it is white flags

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Oh, yeah

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But, you know

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saying that the countries

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are founded by white people

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is a little disingenuous

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Oh?

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Well, because white always has been

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an exclusionary label

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The idea of whiteness has always been used

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to keep people out, and the ways that

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that label was applied in, let's say

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the late 1700s

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is certainly different than it is today

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Yeah

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Concepts of whiteness have evolved as they are

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more or less useful to the people

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wielding those ideas

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Right, right, right

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So it's kind of silly to say that

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these countries were founded by white people

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Define your terms

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White people are Catholic white people

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because they used to kill each other all the time

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Were they founded by the Irish or were they founded by the

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Italians because they used to kill each other all the time

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And they certainly weren't considered white

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at even later periods of

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America's history

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No, it seems like the white is

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a term that includes

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as the exclusionary group changes

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Yeah, and whatever you need it to be

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that's what it is

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And so it's always a little bit disingenuous to have these

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like, everyone wants to get into these countries

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by white people

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Alright, whatever

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Anyway, he's mad at Michelle Obama because she's black KKK

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Sure, sure, sure, sure

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We're no different than the immigrant families that are moving in

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the families in Pilsen

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the families that are coming from other places

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to try to do better

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But

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because we can so easily wash over

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who we really were

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because of the color of our skin

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because of the

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texture of our hair

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You know, that's what divides

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countries

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Artificially as well

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Artificial things that don't

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Oh, artificial borders divides countries

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No, you're bringing leftist men from all over the world

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with no skills and treating them to hate America

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and putting them on welfare to control them

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That's the truth, Michelle

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That's what you're pushing is

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an anti-white, anti-American agenda

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And everybody knows

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what you're up to, you evil witch

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Unbelievable fraud

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Anti-white,

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anti-American agenda

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Yeah, yep

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Interesting phrasing

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No, I don't see any way that

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those two being so close together would

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point to any larger issue, Dan

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It's very overt

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I can't understand what you're talking about

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It's very overt, and what you responded to

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is very clear too, this clear straw-manning

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of what she's saying, changing it into

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a, oh, borders are

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Yeah, shut the fuck up

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But you see this in the

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beginning of the episode, and it's

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Yeah, that's how we open

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Yeah, as I was listening to this

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I was like, oh dear god

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What is going to happen on this

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episode? This is

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pretty fucked up

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And it's not even like, it's not even like it's

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anti-American, anti-white

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Because that means a whole difference

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That means very similar things

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But the fact that it's anti-white, then

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anti-American is very much like

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white first, that's what's

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important, and then naturally it's anti-American

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after that

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But the thing is that Michelle,

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she knows what she's doing

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Michelle Obama knows what she's doing

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These are some evil, evil

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evil, evil, evil people

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But if you go back to

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John D. Rockefeller

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the first, you go back to Margaret Sanger

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and Planned Parenthood, their letters

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the Colgate family

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and others are public

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and major universities

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just type in Margaret Sanger's

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letters

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She was given billions of dollars

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billions back then

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that'd be hundreds of billions today

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So it's not true

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To buy off all the black leaders

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and the black colleges

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The Christians had set up, they hijacked them

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and man, what you see that's been done to the black people

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is the plan for everybody

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So you can look at the mess the black community's in

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and be threatened by it and be angry at it

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and hear the black folks saying racist things to you

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because they're brainwashed and get mad at them

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but how about we're smart enough

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to really know the full game plan

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and not buy into this race war crap

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How about we do that?

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Because the whole thing

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is a setup

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You can easily hear this

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very similar rhetoric being used as

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anti-civil rights era

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rhetoric

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These black people who want

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to be able to eat at the same counter as

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me, as whites

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They're brainwashed

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We don't know, we're above that kind of

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whatever it is they're doing

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You and I, the whites, we're above that

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We're not gonna get down in the dirty

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with all the jazz

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music

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We've talked about the Margaret Sanger shit in the past

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a number of times, it's all just

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horse shit

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Hundreds of billions of dollars

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Margaret Sanger with hundreds of billions of dollars

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But they needed to pay her to come in and

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co-opt all this stuff with money

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because the good Christian whites

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They would not be corruptible like that

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They'd set up these things to help empower

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people, but they are all

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susceptible to billions of dollars of

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payoff by the evil

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genocidal

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Margaret Sanger

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Anyway, Alex starts rambling

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some more about how

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him and his buddies, they have this

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supernatural connection with each

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other, right? And that's what the enemy

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is jealous of

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But once you get the big agenda

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Everybody's on the same

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level because you're seeing the same thing

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People say, how does Trump say the same thing you say

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like an hour later?

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Because I've had the New York Times call up and they've

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been going, you tweeted this, five minutes

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for a speech, and then he said exactly

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what you said he'd say during the speech

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And I said, we're simpatico

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And that globalist looked at me and he just shook his

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head because they know how stuff works

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They're mad that

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we've got a

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sixth sense way more powerful

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than them, because when you serve evil

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you lose the gifts God's given you

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You get Satan's little twisted gifts, but you lose

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the literal superpowers

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that God's given us

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So these superpowers are literal

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Right, which ones?

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Super sixth sense

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Super sixth sense, alright

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So I'll pass on that

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I'm willingly giving that one up

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Yeah, I'm not even going to join

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Satan, I'm just going to let that one go

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What next?

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What am I missing out on?

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Cuz I don't give a shit if I

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can tell you what Trump is going to say

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five minutes before he says it

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I don't need a sixth sense for that shit

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I would rather Bruce Willis

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be dead

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I preemptively know dumb things

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Oh, I know what a white

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racist is going to say

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Um, yeah

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I mean, if it was telekinesis

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or flying, I'd take it

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I'll believe in any god that lets me fly

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Predicting, uh,

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this sort of bullshit, nah, not great

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Not worth it But it's interesting, because Alex does

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believe it's a superpower

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He's talking about that in terms of, like, once you

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know the big agenda

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And that's a continuation of his

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thoughts about Margaret Sanger

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and this eugenics plan that the globalists

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have, and once you see all that

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you see it all, then you get

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superpowers that God gives you

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Right, giving you the ability to talk about

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demographic replacements

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slightly before another guy does

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Great superpowers

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So, um, then it's like, you know,

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like, we have these superpowers, and then Satan

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gives, like, false superpowers

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Oh, like what? But everybody has

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gifts, alright?

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Ah, man, I wish I was high for this

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Now, this is really interesting

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because I would argue that the things that

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he's talking about here, none

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of them are gifts

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I'll explain on the other side

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The gout! And by the way, we're all

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created equal in God's eyes, I agree with the Declaration

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of Independence, but we're not all equal

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in our skills, and what gifts

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we were given

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I don't have the gift of being a long distance runner

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But I do

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have the gift of fortitude and focus

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And the gift that nobody's ever

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knocked me out, including getting hit in the head with a

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lead pipe, axe handles

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you name it, that we've all got

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different gifts, ladies and gentlemen

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I do not believe

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that those are gifts

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Also, file that

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under Alex's head trauma

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I have the gift of a very

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thick skull

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or just

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such a

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fucking

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familiarity with

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head trauma that it doesn't even

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bounces off me now

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I have been acclimated to

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head abuse

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My brain is even smaller than it was

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even if you believe

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what he's saying

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or true stories, I've been hit with a lead pipe

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and I get knocked out, that's not a gift

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that's not a gift

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also, long distance running

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isn't necessarily a gift either

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that's something you work on, that's a practice

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I could get much better

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at long distance running than I am right now

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if I applied myself towards it

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that's not necessarily a gift

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maybe some people are

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just by their physical

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we all have different bodies

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that we're born in

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and some are maybe more conducive towards

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running than others

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but Michael Phelps clearly

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has some sort of proportions that make him

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swim good, whatever

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he wouldn't swim as well as he does now

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if he hadn't trained

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ah no, he had the gift of swimming

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Dan

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whatever

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it's a discounting of the process

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and just pretending

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it's a gift, now the other thing that

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I would say about this is Alex does not have

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fortitude, nor does he have focus

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both of those

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saying focus is infuriating

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yeah, I would say that those

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are maybe his weak suits

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the fact that he even said focus

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reading's a weak suit, but that requires focus

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I don't even allow breeding on the list

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that's too far away

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I could

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I would also say

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that those are practiced behaviors too

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like focus is something you can get

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better at if you apply yourself

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you can even take drugs for it

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fortitude's another thing

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having the strength of conviction and will

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is something that you can get better at

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by making brave decisions

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I think he's only talking about fortitude

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in the sense that he can take a blow

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I think that's mainly his idea

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of fortitude

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I think it might be based on where he goes with it

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Max Handel's hitting him in the head

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yikes

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he has to have a really good saving throw

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to make it through that without getting a concussion

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ridiculous, ridiculous

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so

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this attack on Michelle Obama

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is

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unnecessary and stupid

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and it's being couched in a lot of

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very white identity ways

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it is absolutely

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a reflection of some sort of an insecurity

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that he feels about

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this very powerful popular

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black woman speaking the way that she is

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in public yeah when she talks he might as well

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just screech strong black woman

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and then hide in the fucking corner or whatever

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there is something to that

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you can hear that and feel it from his response

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and

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because he's very stupid and he lacks fortitude

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and he lacks focus

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and he has been hitting the head with a lead pipe

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the only way he can really

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experience this and move forward

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is to make personal

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bigoted attacks

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yeah there we go on Michelle

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we're gonna talk about

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the real rabbit hole

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next segment and play some of these clips

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from Kanye and then that

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wicked devil Michelle Obama

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oh no

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that linebacker

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of a wife

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has got that big

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roll of silver dollars in her pants

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we're gonna be talking about

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Mrs. Wokey Woke

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so this is going to descend

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a little bit into him implying that

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Michelle Obama is secretly a man

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which is something that he's been wishy-washy

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about over the years covering it

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talking about it a bunch and then being like

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hey we're just joking

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just joking around and then doing serious

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special reports about it

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I think I saw her with a she's a man

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yeah so it's disgraceful

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it's disgusting and

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very dumb and we'll see a little

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bit more of it as this episode goes along

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but Alex has to

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reveal a big

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special report that he has made

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oh no

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no no no

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accents

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there is that but I told you already

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I'm not covering that anymore

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it's still happening

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but don't worry about it

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there's a new special report finally

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finally addressing the age old question

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about flat earth

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now I want to be completely clear

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I do not believe the earth is flat

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but because the people

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have been lied to so much and they know they've

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been lied to now

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most people don't know what's

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true and they've done

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internal polls and national surveys

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hell I spent $20,000

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just a few months ago doing one

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for some legal issues to find out exactly what was going on

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it's what we thought

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and

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about 40% of people

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now officially question whether

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the earth is flat or something else

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I don't know if he's saying you spent

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$20,000 on a flat earth poll

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or if it's a different poll like a

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Sandy Hook related public opinion poll

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I don't know

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for some legal issues and it's

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what he thought they were?

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but the legal issues leads me to believe that it has to be related to Sandy Hook

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it has to be related to Sandy Hook but you can't do a poll

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about legal issues the law

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isn't a popular opinion

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it could help you

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it could help guide your

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how you would behave in the press

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the court of public opinion

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it could lead you to see

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alright what is okay for me to say

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what's gonna alienate

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literally everybody

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it would be smart for him to do some focus testing

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or get any

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semblance of focus

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but the way he's talking

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there leads you to believe that he did a fucking

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survey about flat earth

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which I find hilarious

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probably not true but based on his lack of focus

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and inability to convey information

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it makes you think that that's what he's saying

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anyway I don't really care about this

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stupid flat earth report

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it's just basically about the idea that

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the government's lied so much that it's

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rational to question whether the earth is flat

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sure sure sure

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and I would say

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the opposite is probably true

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enough people have been fed conspiracy

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bullshit for so long

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now the government's lied

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man

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I know that the government does lie

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and having a healthy amount of skepticism

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is a healthy impulse

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but it's a healthy distrust

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as opposed to an unhealthy distrust

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which is what we see manifested over the years

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on Alex's show

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I don't understand in what possible sense

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the government is at fault

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whatever the government does

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has anything to do with whether or not the

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earth is flat

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what?

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that's not

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I think you need to educate yourself

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I don't even need a scientist to tell me that the earth

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isn't flat

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you're revealing that you don't know shit

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if you look over there

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stuff goes down over the horizon

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it's very simple

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no it doesn't go off the edge

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god dammit

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it's not a subject I'm really well versed in

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so I don't really even want to pretend

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to argue for the other side of it

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but I do believe

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that the people who believe that the earth

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is flat do think that the government is

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invested in making you think that it's round

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for some reason

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so that's the part of it the government

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who gives a shit

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anyway I think Alex is just trying to reach out

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to other

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cool good luck

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I wonder if we can turn those into white nationalists

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easily

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so in this next clip Alex addresses

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the elephant in the room

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and that is Kanye West's new album

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yes yeah yeah

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I've been waiting to really talk

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Kanye West on this show

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I assume we're going to get into the music

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we're going to get into some production

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elements he's going to talk about the opening

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track being an

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accelerated version of it

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no he's not? Alex has gone back and

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forth on the subject of Kanye West

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depending on how insane he's behaving

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at the time when he's talking

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about slavery being a

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choice Alex is like this guy makes

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some great points brilliant Kanye

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is a genius when he sort of

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walks things back and doesn't

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agree to go on Alex's show

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he's in the black KKK probably

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yeah he's just controlled opposition

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yep but now Alex has finally

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made a determination and it's that

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Kanye West is for real

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okay folks asked me they said is

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is Kanye West you know when he

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says I'm going to go Alex Jones level

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on you

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what is he talking about

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well I said Friday

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if he comes out against the

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genocide of black

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people particularly by Planned Parenthood

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Margaret Sanger and the Rockefeller

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Foundation that spent billions

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of dollars in 1920s

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30s 40s numbers that'd be

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hundreds of billions a day to

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target black people for extermination

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in many jurisdictions up to 70%

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of blacks are never born the most dangerous place

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for a black person on earth is in the womb

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and

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there's this targeting going on

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and it's an admitted targeting and Hillary

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Clinton said black men are predators they need to

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be in prison they're like dogs bring them to

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heal these are quotes and I told

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TI on his podcast to millions

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and others hey quit telling me about

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Trump and racism all day and that dog whistle

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to sit there and you know demonize

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and create division when it's the Democratic Party

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that founded the KKK

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and so I said if

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Kanye's really woke he'll come out and talk about that

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well the next day he did

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so let's play where he talks about

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Alex Jones level and the next day he

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talked about now it's going viral today

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both these clips are going viral

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today got almost no attention over the weekend now

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it's all over the news so here's the two

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clips so Kanye has come

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out anti-abortion and Alex

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has decided that this is proof that he is

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completely for real he's legit

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now I would

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Kanye mentioned Alex Jones

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and so we're gonna talk about Kanye all

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day and I love him so much

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now it's interesting that you say that because

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Alex is saying that Kanye is saying he's

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gonna go Alex Jones level

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here's the actual clip

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man come on man I ain't finna go Alex Jones

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level with y'all man come on man what y'all

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like

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wake up

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Mr. West wake up culture

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wake up everybody think they so woke

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but they following the rules of what woke's supposed to

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be we brainwashed out here

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bro come on man

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this is a free man talking

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Democrats had us voting

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Democrats with food stamps for years bro

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what are you talking about

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guns in the 80's

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taking the fathers out the home

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plan B lowering our votes

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making us abort our children

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God should not kill

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and again that was the same shoot

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but they doled it out over the next few

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days they wanted even more of it

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the plan parenthood and the purposeful targeting

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that means he really is

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off the plantation off the reservation

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so am I

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good for you

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so you'll hear at the beginning of that clip he explicitly says

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I'm not going Alex Jones level

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so even Kanye at the state that

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he's in now recognizes that Alex

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Jones is crazy

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I'm not gonna go that wild

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I am not a lunatic

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like Alex Jones I am

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specifically saying Alex Jones is

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fucking crazy I'm using this person as

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an example of what I am not doing

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while people accuse me of having

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a bit of an episode

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then again he is doing it so

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he is going Alex Jones in

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many a sense it's debatable exactly

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what going Alex Jones level means

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that is a good question

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and what he means by it I don't know I think his

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hair turns gold and his

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aura goes from red to

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light blue I would suggest that I'm not

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particularly interested in what's going on

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with Kanye West I have not listened to that

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new album

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it's fine

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there aren't a lot of opinions to have

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I would say that

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I find some of

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the surrounding elements

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of this album to be contradictory

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some of the

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consumerist elements

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of this I

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find it difficult to find

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sincerity in

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someone making an album called

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Jesus is King and their last

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album was called Yeezus

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and one of the songs was I Am God

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I Am A God

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thank you very much

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hold on one moment there

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and just sort of I don't know

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maybe that's just my hang up

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but I find it to be like

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I don't even want to dwell in this

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I don't even

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I don't care

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there is nothing to care about

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if you literate

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there are zero

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reviews of Jesus is King that I have read

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that have not been like

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the music here's the review of the music

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it's pretty good Kanye's

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genius and then it's been a

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thousand words on how it doesn't change my opinion

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of Kanye's personal

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or public appearance and it's like

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okay great

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still some good tracks I don't know what

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you want you know

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it is on one level I guess you could look

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at it as like what is the brashist

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like artistic

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move you could make

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and it's to become kind of

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fundamentalist

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aggressively fundamentalist

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within the realm of pop culture

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that is kind of something that

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puts you in a corner

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I mean he's not going aggressively fundamentalist

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so much as he's going like

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prosperity gospel like

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what's her face it does feel that way

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Paula White came that's what the album is

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the album is like if Paula White came

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as a really really good producer

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and was not married to a shitty guitarist

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like that's what it is

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I think he's a keyboardist and he's in fucking

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Germany asshole

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he's not shitty I don't know I don't

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particularly care but it's awesome that Alex

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is like alright maybe I can get in on this

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he said Alex Jones

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now granted I'm not

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going Alex Jones but

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it's good enough I can weave my way into it

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so anyway he doesn't

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spend too much time on that but

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I'm certain he's trying to get him on the show

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and I don't think it's gonna work

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probably not but Alex needs to

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get back to Michelle Obama

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sure sure he takes a lot

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of time insulting

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her and so he plays

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this short clip talking about

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the like our families are the same

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just these

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superficial differences of skin color and

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hair texture right all you know it's

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all nonsense as a means of

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division and so Alex

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plays that clip again and then just starts mocking

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her

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what?

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that's uh

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I mean

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it's a bit of a family show that we're listening to

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I don't

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I don't

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I don't even know how to engage

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with that that's too far

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that's that's too racist

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too transphobic

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it's just too everything

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it's just beyond anything that you can engage

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with you're just like you're crazy man

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fine fucking fine if that's

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the nonsense you're gonna throw out

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so yeah there's a absurd

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and disgusting preoccupation that

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Alex has about this Michelle is a man

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kind of thing the only reason I think

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that there's any value in playing this is because

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when he pressed to the wall

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and when he needs to make like criticisms

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of people

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like Michelle it does seem like

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this is the direction he airs in

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things that he ends up eventually having

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to play off as like ah we're just joking

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around that's where his mind goes

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because he's a cruel bigot

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so when he's talking about Michelle

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one of the criticisms that he

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rises with her

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is about like

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you don't say anything about the rest of the

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world's problems and I

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find this to be an interesting critique

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primarily because

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it's super white

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identity based

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and secondarily because it's absolutely not

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true

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a monster selling poison

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like a cobra biting you

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with evil here is this witch

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for the Rockefellers and the big money

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and the KKK run Democrats

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here she is

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Jesus he is angry

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and that is because she

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said that immigrants are

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like us yeah more or less

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what he's doing here I can be

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very comfortable in saying that he's expressing

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overt white supremacy oh yeah

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the first reason I can say that is this

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presentation that white people have a moral

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superiority because they ended slavery

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in the United States is being pushed by

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Alex this kind of mentality

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absolutely whitewashes the hard work

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and sacrifices of people who are in the

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abolitionist movement nope white people

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on their own

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with no other

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inspiration many abolitionists

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who they gave their lives to that

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fight and this you know

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presenting the ending of slavery

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just being white people realizing

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wrong and deciding no more of that is very

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minimizing no it was Alex's

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it was Alex's ancestors who were all turned and

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looked at each other and they were like guys we got

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to not do this whole slavery thing

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for and nobody told us we just

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learned on our own this also seeks

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to minimize the brutal racist systems

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that were brought in to replace slavery after he was

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technically abolished slavery

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under other names like convict leasing programs

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continued for quite a while

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I mean it's not like prison labor isn't still

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being used exploitatively all over the place

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today while these programs

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aren't running strictly on racial lines

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they are extensions of a legal system that

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disproportionately affects non-white

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Americans and to pretend otherwise

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is bad

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and wrong there are inmates

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being used to fight fires

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right now for two dollars

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an hour we're reminded of that every time

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there's a fire and then nothing ever is done

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yep ever hooray

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Alex seems to think that just because slavery

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ended in the United States white people did their part

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and everyone should just shut up about this race

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stuff leaving aside for a minute

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that Alex fucking hates Abraham

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Lincoln and that Alex's family literally

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fought on the side of the Confederacy during

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the Civil War who would have absolutely continued

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slavery if they'd gotten their way leave

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all that stuff aside they fought on the side of the

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Confederacy that wanted to end slavery

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you forget that that side of the Confederacy

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was there right right yeah even

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leaving all that aside what Alex is saying is incredibly

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stupid and lacks any kind of

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nuanced understanding of history or the

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present it also seems like one

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of the issues that Alex has here is that Michelle

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Obama dares to speak about

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race issues in the United States but she won't

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talk about slavery related issues in African

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countries does Alex not

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remember how in May 2014 Michelle

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was very active in the Bring

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Back Our Girls campaign does he

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not realize that that was about 300 young

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girls in Nigeria who were kidnapped presumably

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to be trafficked I understand

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that Alex only operates on sound bites he

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gets from white identity leaning right wing

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publications so you can't possibly be expected

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to actually know the work that someone

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like Michelle Obama has done but he

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really should do his research before launching off

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on completely unhinged racist outbursts

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like that I've never seen any

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Muslim leaders condemn

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Muslim terror who nobody does it

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Dan like maybe a good place for Alex

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to start would be the July 2014

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speech Michelle Obama gave at the summit

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of the Mandela Washington fellowship

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for young African leaders from

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that speech quote when girls in

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some places are still being married off

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as children sometimes they even

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before they even reach puberty when

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female genital mutilation still continues

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in some countries when human trafficking

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rape and domestic abuse are still too common

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and perpetrators are often facing

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no consequences for their crimes then

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we still have some serious work to do in

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Africa and across the globe and

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while I have great respect for cultural differences

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I think we can all agree that practices like

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genital cutting forced child marriage

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domestic violence are not legitimate

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cultural practices they are serious human

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rights violations and have no place in any

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country on this earth

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Alex is creating a fictional version of

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Michelle Obama who turns a blind eye

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to human rights issues and slavery

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in African countries because she's too busy

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trying to demonize the white people here in America

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but that doesn't match reality

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at all put simply

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he's being racist as

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shit yep

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this isn't a valid criticism

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now you could make a criticism that she maybe

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could do more yeah if you want to have that

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conversation fine but pretend

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pretending that she doesn't do anything or

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like oh why'd you talk

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about that which yeah yeah that's

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not true and the reason you think

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it's not true is because you are very

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angry about your white identity

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being punctured and what

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she does is in some way

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cast the same eye that she does

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to the African countries in this

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in this speech and throughout her career

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upon you and

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your buddies and you fucking can't handle it

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yeah it does seem like

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the only people that I

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hear talk about how somebody

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is saying that white people are inherently

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bad are these people

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the people who

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they're the only people who bring it up as a straw man

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about what other people the conversations

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that other people are having and not least of which

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it does have some of that like weird

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sense of guilt trying to

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escape out where it's like maybe you guys

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are the only people who think white people are

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inherently bad well I would say

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I think they kind of do don't they

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based on all of these arguments that

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begin with see they're saying white people

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are inherently bad and then goes on a

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litany of all the things that white people

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have done and they're like oh just because we

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did this doesn't mean that we didn't end

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slavery asshole and it's like

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yeah yeah

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I don't I don't know I I don't want

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to comment on that because I don't I actually don't know

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what I think about what

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they think oh okay I

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don't know I don't I can't imagine right

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what their internal perceptions are because

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also it could be very easily explainable

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as like well there are criticisms

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coming our way that I'd rather not address

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or discuss in any any meaningful way

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so let's create a false version of the argument

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to yell about for sure that makes sense just

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as much as them having a deep

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seated feeling that they're evil

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well I mean he is his ancestors

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so he must know that his ancestors

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probably owned slaves yeah

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so he probably has some guilt towards

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that maybe yeah I don't know

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I don't care yeah so not only

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is Alex being a completely disgusting

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monster regarding race issues

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he is also pretty

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deep in his anti-trans

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stuff anti-LGBTQ

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stuff which

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is always at least in the present day

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expressed pretty solidly through

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conflation of people

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in various communities

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the drag queen story time stuff

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and and what have you

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and I don't care to get

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into too much of that because it's mostly just

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the same shit over and over again calling

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calling trans people pedophiles and the like

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yeah that variety and

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I don't really care about that too much I just want to

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point this out as like a really interesting example

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of how sloppy his fucking work is

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and this is the big religion of the elite

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I mean they're really into this you see them pushing on your kids

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everywhere a man got arrested

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dressed up in a wig here in Austin a few days ago

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just an event of children and adults that did not want

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five year olds to be taught how to have anal sex

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and to have it taught to them by men

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men in drag

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that's pretty normal right you don't want people talking to your kids

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about anal sex at the park or the school or anywhere

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they had to get arrested because he just didn't want

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them to have their speech

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so a very very in California

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if I call him a him I get arrested I thought I had

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free speech here but this is a very very

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dangerous point or two

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so that arrest that Alex is talking about

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it appears to have nothing to do with what

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he's pretending it does

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this is a case of a person who is wearing a wig

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breaking into laundry rooms and stealing

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women's underwear this

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as best as I can tell has nothing to do with trans

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issues it has nothing to do with children

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it's just someone using a disguise to steal

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underwear from laundry rooms

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was he reading the underwear story?

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no it's an invasion of these people's privacy

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and security and it makes sense that they arrested

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the thief but trying to make this a part of some

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sort of an anti-trans narrative seems

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a bit pathetic to me

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like the guy who was setting off bombs all over Austin

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a while back he wore a wig when he went

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to the FedEx store to mail off one of his

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explosives criminals often

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employ disguises to avoid

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detection and that seems to be what this

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case is now I don't know because the stories

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I read I don't know anything

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about this guy particularly

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but it has nothing to do with the larger narratives

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that Alex constantly

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yells about from what I can tell

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it has nothing to do with drag queen story time

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which he's trying to conflate

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in here it's just a creep

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who's breaking into laundry rooms

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I mean he has a problem with trans people

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because there were these

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bank robbers a bunch

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of surfer guys really

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really fucking out on the edge there

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and they wore masks whenever they robbed banks

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yeah we're talking

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this guy was arrested with 57

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pairs of underwear in his car

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now that's a Johnny Utah level

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amount of underwear there

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also you can't get arrested in California for using the wrong

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pronoun for someone the bill that was

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passed there that they're all lying about has to do with

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doctors and care providers not being allowed

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to willfully use discriminatory language

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or behaviors with their patients

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in assisted living facilities

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Alex could absolutely

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misgender someone all he wants and have no

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consequences under the law unless that

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person were an elderly resident in a care center

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he was running this is all just

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the classic right wing bullshit

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it's all just straw man

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nonsense man I just

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you're going that hard just to be a dick

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to old people that's all you really want

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here man so Alex

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has spent a large part of the beginning of this

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show really being pretty

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white identity heavy and really

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screaming about Michelle Obama talking about

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how she's a man

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going real hard on this you don't say

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anything about the

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black people doing shit which

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even though she does that stuff but I felt

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like there was an intensity

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to it that didn't feel that normal

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you know it felt like he had

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the spirit in him a little

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bit something else is going on and that

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was explained pretty easily in this next clip

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I don't want to say I've gone off the rails here

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today just because there's

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several international TV crews

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here today

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one from the United States one

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from the dreaded Russians

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are here that's right

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so we've got national Russian television

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here as well I never got

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to this Sunday or Monday or Tuesday

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I'm going to do it today at six

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after next hour very serious news on George

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Soros and where he said that he

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can bend the will of God and that globalists

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are going to crush America wait till I

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actually read these quotes to you

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he's a defender of free speech and

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Trump and Alex Jones are hurting our free speech

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total inversion

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of reality

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so he's back on his bullshit

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Soros

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coming back hard I know that

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anybody could make some sort of

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Russian TV is here

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but it's more important just that there's TV

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there yeah yeah why is there TV there

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a little bit why is TV there someone wants to do

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a story about how he's crazy probably

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fair if I had to bet I don't know I haven't

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seen the and who knows what even means

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by that yeah could be some independent

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YouTube channel has come with a camera

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yeah that's true international news

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yeah but whatever the case

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is he's he's a little bit more juiced up

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than normal because he's performing for an audience

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so you see that

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that like screaming about Michelle Obama is

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much more impassioned than he might normally

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be although he still would be worked up

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about those issues yeah

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but he talks a lot about

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Epstein and it's sort of my

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position that I don't really care about his position

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on Epstein yeah no absolutely not

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it's not interesting to me whatever

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he's bringing up is

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bullshit and I don't want to get into it

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nope but he talks about

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I'm

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including this clip that's sort of tertiary

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involved in it

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just because he makes an accusation

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that I think

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might be legally actionable okay

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and you got the Renfield's like

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Epstein who bring the children

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to Dracula but who's

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Dracula well the Duke

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and

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all the rich people

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Ted Turner oh who else likes little girls

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there's a certain famous

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black woman who's the only black

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person allowed to attend these meetings

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and does she like her

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little girls we'll be right

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back stay with us

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he's

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talking about Oprah he's talking about Oprah

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yeah gotcha

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gotcha it's very clear okay

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without naming her he has just

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accused Oprah of being a pedophile yeah that does

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sound like that's what he was trying to say yep

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that's a hundred percent what he's saying I don't

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I just think like eventually he's got to

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learn a lesson about what you can and can't say

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I don't know people I don't know

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it's it's pretty wild

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I think this is deeply

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responsible I think you I think you

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he's like a dog you have to have

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your negative feedback has to come

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immediately after the action you know

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because he's being punished too long

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after the fact he doesn't understand he doesn't

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put the two together as being like

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oh saying this like if he just got whipped

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yeah right after he said that he'd be like

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okay I think that's the line

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now yeah there's no kind of behavioral

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modification possibility even with him

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getting some consequences now he's

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gone too far along with

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just everyone being like eh whatever

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yeah and that's a problem

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I mean that's that's why we're where we are

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more or less yeah pretty much

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so he starts doing this and he's talking

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about the Dracula and all this

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shit and he starts becoming preoccupied

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with the globalists working

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for satan literal satan yes

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of course and so he just he

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devolves into a bit of a

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what I would describe as a wrestling promo

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about satan

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there's one way for the globalists to get out

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of this and that's to get on their knees with Jesus Christ

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but

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because you're already slaves to the devil

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your father you can't do it

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so there's no way

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out but it's still

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important for you

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to be told

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the truth

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why

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because your boss has to get permission

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oh the devil

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to even blink his

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eye

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and your boss is not in charge of anything and neither are you

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so you

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may have a bunch of slaves

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bowing down to you all day long

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but you don't

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run anything in this universe

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you don't even run this planet

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you have just been given a little bit

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of power to test the faithful

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and you know that

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can you imagine being a film crew

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in there and trying not to laugh

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while he's doing this shit

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I can

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I'm just looking off

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into the middle distance wondering when it's going to end

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that's my face if I'm in

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yeah exactly

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why is this show as long as it is?

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who is listening to this?

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well it's people who Alex is convinced

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to be totally scared

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of people who are unlike themselves

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in this next clip Alex

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I have no other way of describing

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this than just Alex freaking

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out about trying to

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scare his audience into thinking people are coming

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for their kids

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what the fuck?

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that was a great music choice

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I really swelled there at the end

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it got me

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I'm really scared of the idea

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of someone taking this seriously

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and then on the other hand I was just like

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this show is so fucking stupid

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there's no way

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you would have to be

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way too far gone if you were to hear him say

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that it's the official curriculum

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to teach 5 year olds about anal sex

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that's true

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I think some people do believe that

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I know but they're gone

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get them out of here

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or they believe in some sort of metaphorical way

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they're just against any kind of sex education

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and then they're like

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yeah this is spiritually true

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they are coming for our kids

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I'm exhausted

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Jesus, just listening to him

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be that performatively fake angry

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they're coming

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the gates of hell are open

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Jesus

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there's a film crew here

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sir, comport yourself

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with decorum

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it's probably wise

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oh it's absolutely wise

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for the camera

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so anyway, Alex has also found a clip of

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Rashida Tlaib

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and he takes some issues

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with her, what a shock

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I want to roll in the next one

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of Tlaib telling kids

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how many of you have trouble

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breathing? Oh a third of you

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oh you're old guy, I'm trying to help you

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breathe

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the US has super clean air compared to China

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and places

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if we move all our industry there it's even dirtier

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and comes back and dumps onto the US

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where the

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jet stream just so happens to dump over

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the midwest and Texas

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that's the truth

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Rashida, you can't breathe can you

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children? Hi I'm your Palestinian

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jihadi here

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telling you how much we're going to impeach the

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MF'er, preying on children

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she goes into that

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Palestinian jihadi

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cool cool cool

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Rashida Tlaib helped organize a campaign

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called We Have the Right to Breathe

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in response to a billionaire in her district

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flaunting

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environmental protection

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laws and refusing to cease operating

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semi-trucks in residential areas

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which is massively polluting to those neighborhoods

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according to her official page

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on the House of Representatives website

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quote, when large piles of black dust started

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showing up on the Detroit riverfront

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and blowing into homes and parks

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and the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality

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told residents everything was fine

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Rashida collected samples and got the substance

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tested herself

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so she found that this was a carcinogenic

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petroleum coke and she started

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this organizing campaign

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to address the problem

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in the political climate we're living in there's a real

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danger that environmental regulations

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will be rolled back or just not enforced

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and when that ball starts rolling people get

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hurt. We've had relatively

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clean air and water because years ago

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we put regulations in place that big

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business polluters had to follow

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Alex is a hack and a liar

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so there's no real need to explain why he's

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doing what he's doing. But I have a sense

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that rank and file everyday people

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who could be persuaded of these kinds

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of anti-environmental regulation

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arguments they just don't realize the

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situation we'd be living in if those regulations

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weren't there or weren't enforced

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I suspect that they just take for granted

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the relatively good environment that we enjoy

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so all of this came

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up recently with Rashida

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because there's a Chrysler plant being built

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in Detroit and she's been vocal

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about the company taking their responsibilities

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to the neighboring communities seriously

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Chrysler is getting massive tax

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benefits to build the plant and as such they

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have a very real responsibility to not fuck

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up the lives of the people in the surrounding area

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and that's all she's talking about

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it's a relevant concern too

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the Detroit Free Press spoke to a couple that

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lives down the street from where the plant is being put up

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and they talked about how their house was

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shaking from the construction and said

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they quote, can't keep dust out of the house

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it's awful

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also, it would be wrong to bring up

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this topic without addressing studies that

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have shown clearly that air quality is not a

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consistent thing in this country and

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that there are demonstrable patterns

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according to research presented by researchers

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from the Ohio State University

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at the 2019 meeting

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of the American Sociological Society

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quote, we're seeing that these

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pollution hot spots are the same year

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after year and every time they're in

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low income communities, often communities

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of color, this has implications

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for a wide array of health disparities from

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preterm births and

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infant mortality to developmental delays

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in childhood to heart and lung disease

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later in life

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there is a cultural gap here and low income

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areas are hit incredibly hard by polluting

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companies and the research tends to show

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that this disproportionately is true

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of low income predominantly black

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neighborhoods, quote, we

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found that for every 1% increase

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in low income African Americans

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living in an area, the odds that an area

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would become a hot spot grew

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significantly, this was also

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true but to a lesser extent for

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increases in low income white populations

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so, yeah

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Alex can keep rambling on

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about China's air if he wants

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but that does nothing to address the situation

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that tons of Americans are living in, where

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their health and right to clean air in an

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unpolluted environment are being neglected for the

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sake of protecting corporate profit margins

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people like Rashida are

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trying at least to address

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these problems head on in a way that

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serves the people's interests but I guess to

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Alex, that's just what Palestinian

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jihadis do. The idea

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that

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well, see, we're better than

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China is not

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an argument. It's irrelevant.

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Okay, we're, okay

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one child less

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died of fucking

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poison in their lungs. Yeah.

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Great, we're better than China. Yeah, if you have

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a relative thing

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that makes you feel good

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but the thing you're comparing yourself to is

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something terrible then it's almost

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irrelevant. Yeah. So, I don't know

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keep playing that fucking dumb game

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if you want. It's just a

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fucked up thing to do

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because that's, it's such

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bullshit because that means

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that it's fine for us to slide back

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closer to China

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because we're still a little bit better than China

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so shut the fuck up. Why are you complaining

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all the people who don't look like

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me who can't breathe? Better than

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the worst or a worst case

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scenario is not good. Yeah.

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Don't compare yourself to a terrible

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example of something like air quality

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in China if you want to

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consider yourself trying. Right.

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It's ridiculous. Our oil

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spill wasn't as bad as the Exxon Valdez

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so we're doing great. So we've

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basically contained the oil. We're basically

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we are heroes actually.

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Yeah, it's silly. So, anyway

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he accuses her

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Rashida of terrorizing children.

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Now here's Rashid Tlaib

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literally terrorizing

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children.

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I go into these classrooms and

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you know the second and third grade

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classrooms to read

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you know grace for president and

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at the end I try to explain what my job

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is and before

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I begin I just ask how many of

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you all have asthma? You have a hard time

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breathing and a third of the class will raise their hand

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and I tell

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them my job is

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to protect your air

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so that you can breathe

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and the kids are like

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eyes wide open. I said sometimes it's really hard

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right? Pause. Oh it's really hard to breathe it

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and they start having anxiety attacks.

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What? I'm surprised she didn't give them a bunch of no-dos

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so they'd freak out. Maybe some LSD.

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This woman looks like Brian Stelter

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like these people don't know how

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disingenuous and snake-like they are.

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They're tone deaf. Here let's go back to her while she's

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smiling like a vampire.

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Great. Another powerful

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woman of color being

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targeted. Compared to a man.

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And a snake.

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Don't you have to know

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how in order to be

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a snake-like person

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wouldn't you then have to have knowledge of your

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snake qualities? Well I mean

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it's tough to not see your forked tongue.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right?

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I mean it's just

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a clear pattern that you see.

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Like it's just a clear pattern in how

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Alex interacts with

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other figures. Now I'm just

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re-reading Metamorphosis

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in my head where the guy just

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wakes up and he just goes to work like it's a normal day

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and everybody's fine with it. Everybody's fine with it.

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Everybody's like oh shit you're a bug now? Whatever.

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I thought it was still, I thought it was

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Metamorphosis but with a snake.

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Metamorphosis snake? Yeah. That's the sequel?

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I was trying to find that pun.

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So anyway it keeps getting worse

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and Alex keeps attacking Rashida.

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The second and third graders sometimes I wish they could be

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in this room and make these decisions

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because they know what's right

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and they know they don't have

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any kind of

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political strategy behind it. They just know

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it's just the right thing to do. No that's right.

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Like the thousands of kids that you

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support get strapped

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on by their mothers at age five with

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dynamite and hand grenades. Exactly.

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You love, you can brainwash

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children. You stinking witch.

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My god these people

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are filth. Wow.

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Is that legally actionable?

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I don't know but I mean like it's just

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gross. That's crazy.

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You support child suicide bombers

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because of just the fact

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that you're a Palestinian.

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Well don't forget

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she also wants you to be able to breathe.

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Sure. So that is, what is

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more like ISIS

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than clean air?

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All Alex is responding

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to is the possibility of

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greater regulation for businesses.

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This is the way he responds.

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It's pretty fucked up.

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And it underlies his really bigoted

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positions. I mean you're seeing this very

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consistently throughout this episode.

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It's really really fucked up. It really is

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amazing how complete

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the propaganda

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wall really is whenever

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you can convince people to vote against their

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own ability to breathe.

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You know like there are people that are like

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oh we can't regulate those

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companies bring jobs. We can't regulate

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them. That'll lead to more regulations.

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Like okay then choke to

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death. I don't know what to do

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for you. A bunch of kids have asthma and

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we know ways that we can help

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this issue. Right.

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But unfortunately it's going to

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cut into corporate profits.

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Can't do that. Well at least we're better

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than China. Yeah. So there we go.

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So we've

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seen attacks on Michelle

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that were very white identity leaning.

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We've seen attacks on Rashida

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which have also seemed to center

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around him taking issue

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with her ethnicity. You know a lot of white

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guys don't like it when black women have power.

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No. Did you know that was a trigger for a

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lot of white dudes? It was.

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Like a crazy number. And so now

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we get into what he's

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promised he's going to go over and that is

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some Soros shit. But as

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he's trying to do this we see

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the pesky head of

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tech problems. Oh hey.

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George Soros ladies and

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gentlemen is a

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real piece of work.

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I actually

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like this show way better. I want to be clear

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we are going to hear this sort of tech glitch

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this is not your phone fucking up

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this is from Alex's

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raw audio. I like this show

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now.

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Big pause.

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...

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Finding where Jews were hidden.

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Madeleine Albright's father did.

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And then stealing their goods.

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Madeleine Albright by the way has been

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caught with stolen loot from the holocaust.

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That's mainstream news just look it up.

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She had people in her house for 60 minutes and people

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saw the stolen art. Well yeah her father

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stole it from Jews he was supposed to save

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and then he sold them out to the Nazis.

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So the situation with

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Madeleine Albright is a little different than what

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Alex is presenting. He has a lie

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about George Soros that he always tells

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about him working with the Nazis.

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So in order to reinforce that he's taken a

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true story about Madeleine Albright and fudged

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the details to make it match his false version

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of the Soros story.

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Madeleine Albright was accused by a man named

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Philip Harmer of being in possession of things

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that were stolen from his family's apartment

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after World War II.

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This was apparently done by Madeleine Albright's

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father Joseph Korbel who was

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a diplomat at the time in the

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Czech foreign ministry.

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They'd ended up in that country

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after finding refuge in London during

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World War II. I say refuge

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because many of Albright's family members were

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killed in the holocaust. Though she

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is a Christian she had many Jewish relatives

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and thus her family was at risk during

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the war if they didn't get out. So

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they went to London then after

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the ending of hostilities they ended up in Prague.

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Philip Harmer was not

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a Jewish man who had his things stolen in the

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holocaust. His family was German

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and in the post war years over 3

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billion Germans had been expelled from the

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country that they were in

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then Czechoslovakia.

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To be clear I don't know if

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Philip Harmer himself is Jewish

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and I'm not saying he's not or is

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I have no idea. My larger point

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is that his family left Prague not because

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of the holocaust but because of anti-german

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sentiment in the post war years.

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After that point it's

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said that Albright's father stole a bunch of their stuff.

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If this is the case then that's

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shitty and they should have their stuff returned to them.

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I don't know the ins and outs

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of this case but it's nothing like what

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Alex is presenting. Even Harmer

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said of the confiscation of his family's

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items, quote, it was

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understandable considering what the Nazis

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did to his family but it was not

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necessarily right. Yeah.

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So this has nothing to

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do with what Alex is

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presenting it as. He's only using

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this story in order to reinforce his

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complete lie about George Soros

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and like rounding up Jews during the

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holocaust under the guise of

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coming to confiscate stuff or whatever.

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That's just

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such a funny clip for the way

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to get into like to

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just...

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And so the

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Jews were all like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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I missed a lot.

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It's tough.

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It's almost like you just wanted to keep

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glitching so you didn't say it was bullshit.

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Yeah, it's just such a weird

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non sequitur. Like it might as well have just been like

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rectum, damn near

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killed. Like what are you doing?

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So in this next clip, Alex denies

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George Soros' identity

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as a holocaust survivor.

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George Soros is really mad at me

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that I cover this and I talk about it

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and he puts out the PR

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and the

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disinformation

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that

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he's a holocaust survivor.

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Well, I guess that's kind of like

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saying

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Hitler is a

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holocaust survivor.

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And I guess he was someone that was

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around during the holocaust and he survived.

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I mean, I guess technically it's true.

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Hitler is a holocaust survivor.

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Sickening play on words, a manipulation,

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a legalese issue.

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So we know that Alex believes that

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Hitler didn't kill himself in the bunker.

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Did Hitler survive the holocaust?

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Okay, we're in boys from

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Brazil territory, huh?

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It's an interesting position for him to

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have and I don't really want to get into it

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as much as I would say let's stipulate

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that Hitler did

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escape.

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Now Alex is saying that similarly

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George Soros' experience

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George Soros' experience is similar

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to Hitler's experience in the war.

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I would say that what you are

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doing is holocaust

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revision.

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You're engaging in minimizing

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Hitler's behavior or

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turning whatever Soros did

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into the level of

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the person, the fuhrer.

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Right, right, right, right.

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And either of those things is trivializing

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the holocaust

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and I find it to be offensive.

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Quite offensive.

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I think he's really...

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He ran, he shot the moon.

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If this was a game of hearts, he got

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all the tricks. He batted for the cycle.

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He got it all, man.

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We've got the white identity, whites are

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responsible for the civilization and ending

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slavery, you dumb black woman who

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that guy hates so much.

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Rashida Tlaib is a

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Palestinian jihadi who's trying

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to terrorize children with

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breathing issues and now we've

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got Soros holocaust revisionism.

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Look, the whites ended the holocaust too.

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See, you guys don't talk about that.

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I think you can maybe understand why this is an episode

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that should

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be covered. Jesus.

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But also, I really just want to gloat about

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Alex's horrible

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sound quality issues.

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And far be it from me, we've had some sound issues

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too lately. Yeah.

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And I don't mean to

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begrudge Alex, but hey,

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we record in my bedroom and he is a

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millionaire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a little bit of a

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difference there. And also... Slight change in

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quality. And also, if my

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shit sounded like this, I would never

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put it out.

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Let you into their hiding place claiming you're running

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from Nazis. That's what he would do. He was 14.

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And small for 14. He said they were saving

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a kid. He would come in and then

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remember it all and then run out at night and bring the Nazis.

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They called them bloodhounds.

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Alex is completely

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making that up. Yeah. Alex is 100%

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and he has no evidence of this.

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He has nothing that Soros has said. He has

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no proof that Soros as a

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youth went and found Jews hiding

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places and then brought the Nazis

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back. This is one of the worst

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kind of slanders you can

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accuse someone of. Yeah. This

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is disgusting.

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Yeah. I don't even mean this just because

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like, hey, I love Soros or something. That's

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not my angle on this at all.

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This is repugnant behavior.

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Yep.

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And it just, it absolutely trivializes

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the Holocaust. When you use something

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like this as a political cudgel

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against one of your enemies, what you're

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doing is making

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it okay to commit a Holocaust.

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Eh, somewhat. But look, man,

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Alex's family, he shouldn't have

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to worry about this sort of shit because

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his family fought Hitler,

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all right? But

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see, my family fought

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Hitler and now that

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man has the ADL and Southern

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Property Law Center say I'm a Nazi.

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That is obscene,

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ladies and gentlemen. I almost don't

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exist

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in time and space

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because

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of

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Hitler.

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And then a monster that served

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him and rounded up Jews

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funds lawsuits

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and attacks on me and my family and lies

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and I'm just, if there's justice

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in this universe, my God,

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can't we do something

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about George Soros and his son, Alexander,

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that openly funds

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Antifa and the documents are public.

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Those documents are fake. And

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what you're doing there is calling for

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someone to hurt George Soros and his son.

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You can't interpret it any

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other way. On Alex's show, you

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hear something like that and

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should something happen

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to either of them,

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and the person who did it is a

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listener of Alex's show, that is a

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clear-cut example of

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stochastic terrorism. He is

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just being like, oh, if there's any

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justice in the universe, ain't God's

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will, can someone take care of them?

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Meanwhile, on a show like

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within the last month, Alex has said,

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hey, vengeance is God's, but

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sometimes you gotta be God's instrument.

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You gotta. God calls you to do things.

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Somehow that makes sense in both directions.

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Within the canon of

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Alex's work, you have all the pieces

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necessary to think God is calling you to

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kill George Soros. Because Alex is not

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saying we gotta do something like, we need

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to institute a wealth tax.

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He's not trying to solve

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that problem. He's not trying to

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solve any of that. Even if Soros

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did do the thing, he's not

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saying let's send him to the fucking

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Hague to stand trial.

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He's not doing any of that shit. He wants

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them to kill him.

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That's fucked up.

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This is unacceptable on so many levels.

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So now Alex has a guest.

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Sure. A lawyer? No.

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Ooh, that's nice. No, for once it's not one

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of his lawyers. But he has a guest who's

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run afoul of

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Turning Point USA.

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And so Alex wants to have a little

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conversation about it. And here's

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a little bit of an introduction.

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We're gonna go to break and come back with our guest

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who is being censored and targeted

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by the Republicans.

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Some of them. And again, I think

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there's a lot of good Turning Point USA.

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But what happened to Candace Owens being driven out?

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You know, what's going on with all this? Why are

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their best people being

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shuttered? So Alex

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has a guest coming up who's on the outs

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with Turning Point USA.

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And in this tease for the interview, he mentions

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that Turning Point is a good organization as a

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whole, but he doesn't like that they got rid of Candace Owens.

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Now, it seems

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worth mentioning that Alex just got done with

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a 20 minute segment of Holocaust

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revisionism and lying about Soros

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rounding up Jews during the Holocaust.

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So it seems like when you then

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transition into an interview by saying it was

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wrong for Turning Point to part ways with Candace,

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it's probably relevant to know why they did

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that. It's like what

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you said recently.

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You are not more important than

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the grift. Every functionary

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in these operations is useful until they're

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not. Even when you make quite a name for

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yourself and you go mainstream in some sense,

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you can reach a point where you're just too

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fucking dumb or too toxic a property to

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continue being associated with.

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That happened for Candace Owens in December

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2018 when she said at a

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Turning Point event, quote,

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I actually don't have any problems with the word

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nationalism. I think the definition

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gets poisoned by elitists that actually

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want globalism. Globalism

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is what I don't want. Whenever we say

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nationalism, the first thing people think about,

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at least in America, is Hitler.

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You know, he was a national socialist.

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But if Hitler just wanted to make

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Germany great and have things run well,

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OK, fine. The problem is

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he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany.

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He wanted to globalize.

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He wanted everyone to be German. Everybody

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to speak German. Everybody to look a

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different way. That's not, to me,

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that's not nationalism.

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Leaving aside how this comment definitely

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seems to imply that an internally

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operating genocide would be totally cool

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with her, saying something like this

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publicly is just fucking embarrassing.

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It demonstrates a very shallow understanding

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of what happened in World War II and what

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Hitler was up to. When someone says

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something like this, you consider what other

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completely idiotic and profoundly offensive

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things they might accidentally say in the future,

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and if you're smart, you decide,

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eh, I gotta cut ties with her. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's important to note, this has nothing to do with

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the substance of what she believed. Turning

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Point USA, totally fine with that.

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Probably, but the options of this are impossible.

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Exactly. She's

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fired for being a bad grifter.

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You don't say it out loud.

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And it raises the question of what else might we have

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to do damage control about in the future. Exactly.

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She's a bad grifter. Get her out of here.

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Yes. The most generous

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reading of her comment is that she knows nothing about

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the subject she's talking about, and

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the least generous is that she's a Holocaust

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denier. Both of these are bad for the brand.

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Or, I would say the least generous is that she's

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a Holocaust supporter.

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Maybe. Within certain borders, I

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guess. Yeah. Both of these are bad for the brand,

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and Turning Point USA is all about that

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grift. I think this is important

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to recognize, however, because

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Alex is saying that they were wrong to cut ties

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with her, and one of the motivating factors

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was clearly this comment that could

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easily be interpreted as

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minimizing of the Holocaust.

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That's really fucked up to hear, after

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Alex has just rewritten elements of the Holocaust

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to serve his purposes.

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That's also really fucked up to hear, considering

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that Owen Schroyer had the hosts of

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Red Ice Radio as guests on his show

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this week. Wait, he did what?

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Yeah. Oh, man. So, they're

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going full-throated. And it'll be

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even more fucked up. They're just dropping the

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hoods on. When we get to who the guest

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he's introducing is. Oh, no.

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Well, Nick Fuentes is here

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with us today, and I really appreciate him

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coming on. NicholasJFuentes.com

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and I'm very familiar with

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his work. We're very excited to

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have him. We should have him as a guest more often.

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Oh, really? You're really familiar with his

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work? That's gonna be a problem here in a minute.

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Who's this guy? So, we briefly mentioned

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Nick Fuentes in a recent episode, in

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relation to him working with that network

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that also employed Joey Salads, the racist

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hoax video guy who peed in his own

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mouth. Yeah. I'd kinda hope that that

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would be the only time this dude came up on our show,

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but apparently, I don't get what I want

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sometimes. Nick Fuentes

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is a pile of shit, but he's also

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clearly a troll. So, talking about him

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gets into murky territory where you can really

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never know how much of what he's saying is sincere

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and how much is just intentionally

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provocative to try and get people angry

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for attention. Doesn't matter. Fuck that guy.

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He has a show called America First that

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is just really terrible

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green screen background, sloppy

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bullshit. It's terrible, but I've

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listened to enough of his work to know that there are definitely

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some things that he's very serious about

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and they're all bad things.

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For one, he believes that the United States is a country

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specifically for white people.

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He'll generally resist the title of white

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supremacist or any of that stuff

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and he pretends that he's just wanting to

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uphold the intent of the founders of the country

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who wanted the country to be a place specifically

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for whites.

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Now,

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I'm gonna go out on a limb

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here. Fuentes?

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Right. It's an issue.

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I don't care, though.

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I understand where you're coming from.

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Don't care. It's just there. I'm just saying

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it's there. I need everybody to know

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it's there and then we can move on.

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That is an interesting consideration whenever you have

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these sort of escalating

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exclusiveness

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positions.

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Do you not think that you eventually

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won't pass the test that you are

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advocating in that direction?

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It is one of those things where it's like

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the further on the edge of the in-group

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you are seems like the more

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aware you should be that the in-group is going

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to slough off those. They're gonna

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shed their skin whenever there's...

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Yeah, and it

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does not go the other direction.

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So the other thing that's very consistent

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in Nick Fuentes' work

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is a strain of hatred towards Jews

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and Holocaust revisionism.

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In this clip, we'll hear

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Nick on his show America First

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complaining about Matt Walsh decrying

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white nationalism after the shooting

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in El Paso from a little ways back.

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And please be advised

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listeners, he's going to use some language

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that is very uncommon on our show.

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Kid2000 says

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it's very refreshing to see some people

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stay consistent and not take a

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self-defeating defensive position. Much appreciated.

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Keep it up. Well, thanks. Yeah, we

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just can't do that. We can't play this game of

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I disavow white supremacy

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and notice how the claws come out. All these

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pussies, frankly.

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And again, sorry for the language, but

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that's what it is. People like, who's this?

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Matt Walsh guy?

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Total faggot pussy.

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And, you know, he's always

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like this. And when a white person

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does a shooting, suddenly he's a big tough guy.

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Ooh, ooh, I think these

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white racist scumbags should

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get public executions and

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we should hang them and be brutal. That's the only thing

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that's going to stop these people.

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Yeah, you're a real tough guy. You're a real fucking tough guy.

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You know, sorry for the language.

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Disavow the language, but

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that's what it is, these people. It's a very

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latent hatred

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for their own people, for white people

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if it's not their own people.

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Matt Walsh, Shabbos Goy

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race traitor. That's what it is, folks.

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I know some people don't like to use that

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expression, but it's totally true. Throwing his

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own people under the bus. He hates white people.

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Nobody else talks like that

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about their own people except for white people.

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And it's gross. This white

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racist scumbag should be

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hanged in public and we should be brutal

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about it. Yeah, okay. Keep typing

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on Twitter.com, faggot.

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Faggot pussy.

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Race traitor. You work for Jews,

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you know. So, that's

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the kind of thing that he

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espouses. And it's a good

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thing Alex is familiar with his work

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and he's a big fan. Wow. Yeah.

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So, if you take that for what it is,

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you have a guy who's offended at someone not

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supporting white nationalism and his

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response is to call him a race traitor

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and then talk about how he works for Jews.

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Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

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As for Holocaust revisionism,

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Nick engages in a crypto form

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of denialism that's pretty popular

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in neo-Nazi circles.

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What they do is they talk about the killings in the

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Holocaust using the language of

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baking cookies. I know it

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sounds weird, but you'll see what I mean in

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this clip. Max says,

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if I take one hour to cook

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a batch of cookies and Cookie Monster

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has 15 ovens working 24

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hours a day every day for five

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years, how long does it take

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Cookie Monster to make six million

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batches of cookies?

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I don't know. That's a good question.

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Certainly.

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Oh, no, no.

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It doesn't really sound correct to me.

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Wait a second. It takes one hour to

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cook a batch of cookies and

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you have 15 ovens, probably

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in four different kitchens, right?

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Doing 24 hours a day every day for five

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years, how long would it take you to

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make six million? Hmm.

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I don't know. It certainly wouldn't be five years, right?

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The math doesn't seem to add up there.

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So, six million

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cookies? I don't buy it.

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I don't even care to engage

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with this sort of shit, but I wanted to play that for you

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so you could understand that this is a guy who uses

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his platform to partake in explicit

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Holocaust revision and

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denial. Nick is very young

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and doesn't know very much, but he has a good handle

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on really far-right talking points

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and is able to rattle them off pretty

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quickly, you know, enough to trick idiots into

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thinking he knows what he's talking about.

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Consider him to be like an anti-Jewish

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Ben Shapiro, a person Nick

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coincidentally hates, which probably has nothing

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to do with Shapiro's very public Judaism.

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I don't know why he would hate him.

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What makes this absolutely unacceptable is

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that Alex says he knows Nick's work and

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that he likes his work. If he had no

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idea who Nick was and had him on, then that's

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a huge fuck-up and a sign that he needs a better

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vetting process. But knowing who

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he is and giving him a friendly platform

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is a tacit support for his ideas

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and what he stands for, namely

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Holocaust denial and white nationalism.

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So, congratulations, Alex.

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You're almost at your true form.

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Jesus.

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Yep. When I heard that he was on,

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I was like, well, this is progressing

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and the red ice being on Owen's

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show. It's just...

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They're done, right? They're there.

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This is exactly the transformation that

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you expect. It's basically

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what I was sort of predicting once

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the deplatforming came.

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And it maybe took a little bit longer than

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you would expect.

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You kind of think that maybe he'd jump right in,

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but he probably had more cash before.

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Yeah, he tried...

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It's almost admirable how

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long he tried before he just decided to

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become a white nationalist broadcast.

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Yeah, fuck it. And he'll

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probably try and pretend, but all these

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people fucking pretend.

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Jesus.

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This is how you discuss

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sort of neo-Nazi

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Holocaust revision

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in a winking way.

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Isn't it funny? I'm talking about cookies.

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Can't get mad at me talking about cookies.

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Hey, you know what's easy?

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The Holocaust was bad.

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No matter the

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numbers. You don't have to

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work that hard.

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Yeah.

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Well, you do if you want to have a...

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Oh, yeah, that's right. If you want to come with it, it's okay with it.

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You really got to work hard, don't you?

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Yeah. So, Alex is

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going to talk to Nick Fuentes, which is

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great.

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And so, the big reason

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that Alex is having him on, or so he thinks,

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is that

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Nick got into a little bit of a beef

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with Turning Point USA and

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Charlie Kirk. Sure.

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I don't care about their petty drama.

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But, it's interesting, because

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they're having this fight,

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Alex is

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looking at things a little differently.

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Interesting. And so, I've seen a lot of other things.

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And I know folks that have been to some of the

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Turning Point USA national events, and they say

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it's a little

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leftist. And look, I know we want to have

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a big team, but we have a big team so long

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we'll compromise, and then the left continues

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to take over. So, Turning Point

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USA is not a little leftist.

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They're entirely funded by right-wing billionaire

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cash infusions, and are absolutely

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100% the tool of the right

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trying to look cool on college campuses.

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So, why is Alex hearing that they're

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a little leftist? Oh, I don't know.

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Possibly because he's now exclusively

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hanging out with crypto-fascists and neo-Nazis.

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Yeah, they're a little bit

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leftist. They still say the Holocaust

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is real. Yeah. Yeah.

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That is really what they're saying. They still think

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homosexuality is okay. That really

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is what they're saying. They think that legal immigration is

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appropriate. They're leftists!

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They don't believe that this country is a white country.

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In our midst!

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If you have someone telling you that Turning Point

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USA is a little leftist, that means

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that you're talking to someone who is extremely

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on the far right.

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They appear to be a little leftist to them

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because their standard of where something falls

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on the political spectrum is completely

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fucked up. Considering Alex's

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network has had Red Ice and Nick Fuentes

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on in the same week tells me all I need

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to know. He's dropped any pretense.

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And this network is on its way towards

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becoming something very extreme.

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Where Turning Point USA is possibly

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on the left. It's a terrifying

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development, but I'd be lying if I said I was

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surprised. Look at these leftists

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over here saying that Jews should

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be allowed to live. Come on,

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bunch of libs! Libs!

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So,

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Alex believes that this is going to be

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a thing where they talk about Turning Point USA

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being a little left.

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Or whatever. And he plays

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a clip that I have to assume

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that Nick sent him. And it's

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this question, this

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guy asking the question at one

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of Turning Point's recent

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events. And then interspersed

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with Charlie Kirk saying something

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that directly contradicts it.

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And then at the end

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there is a clip of Charlie Kirk

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saying that Israel is

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special. Okay.

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There we go. And

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on the left indeed.

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Alex, I think, is a little bit

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surprised by the part at the end

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being about, like, just overtly

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not connected at all to the

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part prior to it. And just being

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about him saying that Israel is a

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holy land. This

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is not good. This falls

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apart very quickly, as Alex should have

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known it would if he knew anything about Nick

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Fuentes. And we just added that clip in

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about after the break. But there you go.

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I flew an airplane with this guy after the

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RNC 2016.

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To be clear, he's talking about Charlie Kirk.

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Like a nice guy.

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And, you know, I like the idea. I like the fact

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that they have contact with Trump. And I like

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what the members are doing. They're great people. But

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yeah, I know there's a lot of other videos

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online, too, of him really telling

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whoppers of lies. Or he

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has amnesia, brain

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damage, and doesn't have

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any type of long-term memory. I mean,

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maybe he's got a head injury. What

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do you think? Yeah, no, I

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definitely think that's possible. Certainly, he could

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be mentally retarded, as you like to say.

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Or he could just be straight up lying.

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You know, we've seen a lot of cases of this

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where people get involved in conservative

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politics and maybe say one thing,

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and then they get donors. And then they get

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people funding their organization. They get some

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connections. They rub shoulders with powerful people

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like the president or his son in the case of

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Charlie Kirk. And then all of a sudden, their opinions

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start to change. And then suddenly,

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you know, their love for America becomes

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a love for another country.

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So yeah, I mean, he could have been

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brain damaged, maybe dropped on his head or something.

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Or he could just be straight up lying, in which case

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we have to hold him accountable. And that's what we're trying to do.

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I'd like to point out that at the beginning

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of this episode, Alex talked about getting hit in the

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head with a lead pipe and an axe handle, and now they're

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talking about Charlie Kirk having brain damage.

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Great. Real fun.

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That is exactly what you'd expect

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if you bring Nick

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Fuentes on your show. He's going to

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suggest that he doesn't love America.

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He loves Israel. That's what's

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going to happen. So Alex,

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I don't know if he recognizes

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by this point that this is where

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the interview is going to be driven.

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And he doesn't want any part of that.

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He should know that. This is what happens.

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It's a good thing that that whole

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dual citizenship, right to return

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kind of stuff is staying well within

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this far right fringe culture,

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you know. I'm glad that you never see

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people on national TV saying that

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somebody could be disloyal to the United

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States because they also

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have... Yeah, but I don't even

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know if Charlie Kirk is Jewish.

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I think this is even just like... Oh, he's just

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he's just complete... He's an agent

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of Israel. Gotcha. Sure. Fine.

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Let's throw it all in there. So in order to

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make it not like an interview that's

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going to be ended immediately,

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Nick gets into some of his other positions

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that Alex might

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be more interested in.

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So he expresses his position on

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immigration. Here we go. I bet it's

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very liberal. No.

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Leftist. Turning point USA style leftism.

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No. On my show, we oppose not

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just mass illegal immigration, but mass

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legal immigration as well. You know, we

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know that the demographic change

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that's taking place is really not so

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much a problem of legal status, but more a question

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of where these people come from, what they believe

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and so on. It makes

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sense to the white genocide meme.

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Yeah. So, cool.

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He's against legal immigration

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of non-white folk

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to the United States. It does sound like

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that's what his stated position

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is. It is. Yeah.

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It seems like

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that one's... He's wearing it on his sleeve,

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Dan. So, Alex, I mean, you're

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helping this sort of

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rhetoric. Let's get that stuff out there. Let's get

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the world... The world needs more of that in

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the... You know what? Let's

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not worry about the coke on our shores,

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Dan. Let's worry about

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fucking keeping immigrants out of here.

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Great. Yep. So,

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here we go. Here's some more shit that

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Alex just has to allow on his show now.

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So, he's not a patriot on

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legal immigration. We think he's

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anti-Christian because he peddles and promotes

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degeneracy. He's taking pictures

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with Lady Maga, some kind of

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Make America Great Again themed drag

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queen supporting homosexuals in

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his organization. And then, lastly,

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he's not a patriot in terms of his own

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country. I think a lot of people suspect,

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rightly so, that he has a dual

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allegiance or a dual loyalty

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to Israel. Okay.

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All right. Wow.

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So, yeah, I mean, associating with

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homosexuals in any way is anti-Christian

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behavior. He supports

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degeneracy. Degeneracy.

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Degeneracy.

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Where is this fucking kid from?

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Chicago. Did he come from the

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1930s? What is fucking happening?

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He's from that very

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racist part of Chicago. Yeah. What are we

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talking about? And I don't support

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miscegenation. No, he doesn't. He doesn't

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support miscegenation. Of course. No.

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God damn it. I believe

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that I have heard videos where he

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has expressed... Well, I mean, if you're

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already... A discomfort

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with interracial

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relationships. If you're against legal immigration,

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I'm guessing that you're probably against any

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kind of denigrating

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the white race.

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This guy is so far past, like,

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what should be allowed in, like,

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normal conversations. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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But I even find it

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tough that we're talking about it. Yeah.

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Like, I don't even like the idea that

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he's come into our sphere by

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way of being on Alex's

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show. Yeah. It's just like

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I didn't think we would see the day

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where Alex had fallen apart

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to this point. I really... Had Nick

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Fuentes and Red Ice on his show

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in the same week. I mean,

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it's just becoming more and more

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overt. Yeah, this is a white

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nationalist radio show. Yep. There you go.

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And where all

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the women are... We're cool with

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having uncritical interviews

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with people who are

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so beyond the pale.

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I'm not just going to pretend

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to debate David Duke anymore. I'm

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going to tell him to full-throated

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scream it from the mountaintops. I don't think

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he could do that because David Duke's too famous.

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Yeah. I think if... I mean

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metaphorically. If someone was

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saying similar things to David Duke and wasn't

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David Duke, Alex would be all about it. Oh, yeah.

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Get him on. Yeah. In much the same way, Turning

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Point USA can't be associated with Candace

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Owens because of her gaffes.

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Yeah. It's

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all about optics as opposed to

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the actual content. Yeah. Yeah.

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So Alex seemed to be surprised there

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about Nick saying

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this about his... Charlie Kirk

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having loyalties to Israel.

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It is kind of refreshing that even

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he is like, oh, no.

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What have I done? If you listen to this next clip,

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I do think that Alex is a little bit back on

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his heels. This is a country that we give support

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in just about every way, shape, and form.

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Monetary support, military support,

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political support. Sure, Nick. I wanted to get

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you on and it's funny to get into Israel.

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I wanted to get you on because

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slash, no it's not. I saw these videos

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and I saw articles about it

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where they're trying to keep you from coming to those

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while saying they're open and they're doing this

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and they basically didn't stand

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up for Candace Owens, which I don't like.

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And then I've seen some of this stuff.

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Personally, I'm a libertarian. And so

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I like the fact that Trump, you know,

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at his convention in

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Cleveland said, we don't hate you if you're

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gay or lesbian or whatever. I get your point

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though about it's already being paraded everywhere with

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the trainees going after the kids and

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all that. And so why

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sit there and make that the main message?

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Alex, he needs to redirect.

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Man. Because he does not want to

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have this conversation. I think he's also

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realizing like, oh, shit.

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Oh, no. Oh, shit. Look, look, look.

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It's okay. We can get into Israel. I'm going to

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change the subject as quickly as I can, though,

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as soon as possible. In fact,

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right now. And that's not to say that Alex is

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like a shill for Israel. No, no, no,

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absolutely not. When you've got

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this extreme hard right

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dude on the show,

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he seems to be constantly

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bringing up Israel stuff.

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Alex is smart enough to realize

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like, I am, I've

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stepped in it. Yeah. I'm waiting

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for him to like artificially

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do it.

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I'm sorry. I can't hear you.

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Yeah. This would be a good time for a glitch.

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Yeah. This would be a great time for a glitch. He needs to

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refocus the argument or the discussion

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into a place where it's more about

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the trivial culture

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issue, pop culture issues,

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like

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somebody complained about something.

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Yeah. And that's

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all he can do. It is, it is kind

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of interesting that

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it does seem we're really close to him

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having to be like, could you please not

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use this word? Right. You know, like

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you really, for all of his,

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for all of his free speech bullshit,

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we're really close to him being like,

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could you please not use, I know,

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I know. And he didn't even

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push back on it. His response

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to it later in the episode was, we gotta

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use those freedoms or else they'll go away.

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God, what a fucking

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asshole. So Alex, like I said,

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the trivial issue kind of thing is

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he needs to refocus this back on the turning

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point USA. Yeah. Because

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that petty drama is really what he

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wants to talk about because that's where some

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money is. That's where some attention is. Right.

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And so Nick

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makes a little bit of an argument

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that I think is really interesting. I think it's

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really

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not universal, but it's very common

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in these worlds. You know, this whole thing could

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have been averted. I wouldn't be on InfoWars right now.

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There would be no controversy

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if he simply allowed me to take the

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picture or go into the event.

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And I think a lot of people are now scratching their

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heads. It's almost exposed himself. He's made

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a bigger deal out of it than it is. And they're

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wondering, what is he so afraid of? Why does

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he not want to stand these questions?

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Why can he not defend these ideas?

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So the idea is essentially

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that Charlie Kirk banned

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Nick Fuentes from...

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I would assume that there's probably a good reason.

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I bet that there had been some interaction

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between the two of them in the past.

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I know that I was able to find

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some indication that

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years ago, Nick Fuentes

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was invited to give a speech

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at a Turning Point event.

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So there is some interaction between

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him and the organization.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Nick had been

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critiquing and saying,

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you dumb Jew lover.

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Something like that.

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I think that's entirely possible. He's clearly

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an antagonistic troll. Why wouldn't

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he be behaving that way in the

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lead up to Charlie saying,

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don't allow that guy in?

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I see that as incredibly

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likely. But what he's

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saying here in this clip is a

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classic manipulation trick.

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To any right thinking observer, this is

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more or less a publicity stunt that Nick

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Fuentes is running at the expense of Charlie

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Kirk. And ultimately, there's no good

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solution for Kirk. What's being

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done is that Nick is putting Charlie Kirk in a

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situation where he has two options.

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The first is to take a picture with and associate

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with someone who is a clear bigot

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and troll, who is outside of what you

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deem to be acceptable discourse.

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By that association, you'll be giving this voice

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your tacit support, which is something you absolutely

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don't want to do. The second

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option is to choose not to associate

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with this entity. And based on

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a very reasonable assumption

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that they're just trying to co-opt

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your platform anyway, what you do is

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you seek to keep them out of your event.

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But this doesn't work either, because now you've

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given this bad faith entity the appearance that

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you can't handle their ideas or you're shutting

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down free speech. By protecting

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your space from a Holocaust revising

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white nationalist, you end up giving

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that person precisely the fuel they need to

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get the publicity they were after in the first place.

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This is a win-win situation

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for Nick Fuentes, and that's exactly why

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he's doing this.

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It is...

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You can feel

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Charlie being like, I want to say

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I don't want you here because you're

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a Holocaust-denying Nazi

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lunatic, but if he said

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that, he loses half of Turning Point

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USA's followers.

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I think he has said that. That's unfair.

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I think he has been

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clear about like, uh, no

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of course I don't want this

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fucking asshole anti-semite

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troll hanging around.

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I think he has been clear about that.

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Well, good for him.

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Well, I mean, there are limits.

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Well, he's on Alex's show!

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Well, Nick is.

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Charlie Kirk isn't.

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There's still a veneer there.

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Right, right, right, right.

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That's the case. Now, after this whole thing,

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other people in Turning Point

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have come out

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and supported Charlie Kirk in this

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kerfuffle, and

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Nick has some comments about that.

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And you know what else is so troubling is after this whole event

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we see people like Benny Johnson, who works

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for Turning Point USA, and other people

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that are connected to the organization.

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You might have seen this on Twitter. You may not have.

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But people are now standing up and calling

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everybody who asked questions last night

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at his Ohio State University

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event, who asked about Israel,

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asked about his support of homosexuality, and so on.

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You've now got people working for Turning Point USA

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saying that if you oppose

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the Charlie Kirk conservative

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agenda, you're a homophobe, you're

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a racist. I think Benny Johnson

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said we were the Westboro Baptist kids

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because we're Christians, because we

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support the Bible teaching that opposes

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homosexuality. Oh, absolutely.

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And listen, you have a right to do that.

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And I agree that none of this

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sexualization should be promoted to children.

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There needs to be a major pendulum back

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the other way. What does that look like?

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What does that pendulum

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going back the other direction look like?

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Why do you think that gay people being allowed

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to exist in civilization

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and just in the public is

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sexualizing children? Well, the pendulum

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needs to go back away from them being allowed

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to exist in public. They need to hide again.

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So I don't ever feel any discomfort

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at all for my way of life not being

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the only way of life, Dan.

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It's more or less what we're getting here.

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It does feel like

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like this Fuentes

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kid is so much

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like I have to see these older guys

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like Alex Jones and all these people looking

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at Nick Fuentes and just like

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fuck, I made you, didn't I?

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Yes. You are

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what I created and I

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you don't and you don't know.

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No, they do. I mean, Nick

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knows that he was made

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by it. He doesn't know that he's

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he doesn't know that all of that Holocaust

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denial and all of that anti-Semitism

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and stuff is supposed to be

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about the grift first.

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Nick is a fucking hater.

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Yeah, but he hates.

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He hates, you know.

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Like, Alex doesn't hate

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with that like. He does at times.

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He does at times.

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He does at times. I think we get caught up too much

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in how much so much of this is just a performance.

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Right. And forget that underneath

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that there is still some sincere

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freaking out about seeing Muslims

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at a pool supply

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store, for instance. For sure.

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That kind of thing is still real

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for him. Yeah, I mean, what I think

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is more the point is like you see this

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and you're like, I am partially

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responsible for your

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track that you've gone down.

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I cannot control this anymore.

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Yeah. And you're better than me.

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Yeah. You are cannibalizing me. Nick is a faster

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talker. He is much more

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smart sounding than Alex.

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Like, these are people, the next generation

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is far more competent

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than the past generation.

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And someone like Nick

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could be really dangerous

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with the level of

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exposure that Alex has.

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Or at least he used to have. Yeah. Certainly

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I don't think Alex would ever have him on

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back when he was doing well. No, I mean

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if he, yeah.

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Like, Nick Fuentes wouldn't have been there

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on the night Trump wins.

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Not at the height of Alex's powers. No.

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Never going to happen there. And I think he also

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will even be too much of an issue

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to even have as an employee. Yeah.

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But now,

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I don't know. I still think Alex would be able

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to see through it pretty quickly and realize this isn't going to happen.

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I'm giving you a show! You won my

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contest! He does not get the normal

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treatment. The job offer treatment. Yeah.

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But, yeah, I don't know.

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It's fucked up. So we have one last clip

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here and it's Nick expressing

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that he watched Infowars

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back in the day, which goes to your point.

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And, you know, he had expectations

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about Trump. You know, I've been in this

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for two, three, or four years

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now. I remember watching, when I was in high

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school, Donald Trump appear on your show

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and it was probably one of the coolest things I ever

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saw. And I think everybody believed

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in 2016 that things were going to be different.

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You know, that with Donald Trump being an

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insurgent in the Republican party, the hostile

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takeover, and then becoming president,

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I think everybody believed that it was going

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to be a real America first movement.

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That the John McCain, Mitt Romney,

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George Bush conservative movement,

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big tent conservative movement was done.

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And so then to see all these people that

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wear the MAGA hat, people that

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they co-opt the Donald Trump message,

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co-opt the Donald Trump look, the optics

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and everything, for them to then use the

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same tactics of the left.

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You know, they're really embracing this mono

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party globalist mentality.

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So he thought that Donald Trump was going

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to bring an end to the big tent

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GOP.

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And what he means by that is non-whites.

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Yeah. What he means by that is

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non-Christians. What he means by that

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is anybody who doesn't

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think that the United States is a white

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Christian country where there

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should be a power monopoly

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in the hands of those people

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because of their

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skin and their choice

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of religion. It is fun to watch.

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You can't hear someone talk about trying

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to get rid of the big tent in the

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GOP who has expressed

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about, let's say, a guy who

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isn't into white nationalism

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calling him a race traitor who works for

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Jews. Yes. You can't hear Holocaust

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denial and revision coming out of somebody

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and not think, oh, getting rid of the

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big tent in the GOP probably means

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something different to you. It's a diversity

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of ideas is what they're talking about.

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Certainly. It's the ideas that they're talking

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about. It's all about the free

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market of ideas. It's just infuriating.

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It's not

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infuriating. I don't really care.

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I care on one level,

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but this to me is so

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expected.

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I see this

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episode, this 30th,

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it's so

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bad. You have

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the shit with

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Michelle Obama at the beginning.

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You have the

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Rashida Tlaib stuff that's just

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repugnant.

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You have this long Soros

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diatribe where he's going

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further than he has in the past

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about Soros and his

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behavior in the Holocaust in World

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War II, revising elements

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of the Holocaust.

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Then he talks about Candace

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Owens shouldn't have been cut loose

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from Turning Point USA and the reason

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that she was was because of

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bad, bad

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comments about the Holocaust and

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Hitler. Because she had it coming. Then you

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have a Holocaust denier on your show

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as a guest who you introduce

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as someone who you like their work and you're

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well aware of them.

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This is

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bad.

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It's what you expect because

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of what Alex has been

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promoting throughout his career,

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but just not overtly.

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You see the

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mask coming off a bit.

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This episode is the sort of thing that

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it's just like, well, buckle up because

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a month, two months from

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now, who the fuck knows what

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this show is going to be like?

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Like, imagine.

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Red Ice is coming on.

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Owen's show because they got kicked off

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social media because of the

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Nazis made a choice.

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If they're being

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put on as people who are being

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deplatformed and censored,

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Alex

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has an alternative for that.

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He has his own band.video

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site where people

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who have been kicked off social media and banned

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that's where, it's supposed to be where

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those things go. Now, is

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Red Ice going to get a channel on there?

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We're seeing a great merger.

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InfoWars Ice.

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You kind of see the possibility

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that this

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network that Alex has built,

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InfoWars,

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and its tendrils, like this new

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band.video, it could

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very easily be co-opted by

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people who are

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far worse than him.

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Far worse

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and also the same.

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And that's a

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troubling possibility, but it's also, I believe

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what I predicted might happen with

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his

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video endeavors.

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That if he does allow other people on,

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guess who's going to be on there?

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Well, I mean, take a look at all the

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replacement, the conservative

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replacements to Twitter turns into

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Nazi racists immediately and you're like,

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yeah, I get it.

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If the problem you're trying to solve

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is a problem that exclusively

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or almost exclusively applies to

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racists, Nazis,

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fascists,

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then when you create a solution, it's

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going to be populated almost exclusively.

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I don't know why it's only populated

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by racists, Nazis, and white supremacists.

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Crazy.

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It's because you're solving a problem that

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only they have.

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God, I really, you know,

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it's telling. The disillusionment

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every generation has

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their disillusionment moment with their

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with the president that they help elect, you

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know, like for us with Obama,

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why didn't he close Guantanamo

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drone? Why didn't he stop torturing

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people, torturing all

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of that stuff that I was very

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disillusioned. And for this

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guy, his disillusionment with Trump

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is why can't I torture people?

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Why can't I drone people?

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Why can't I murder people?

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Maybe not those specific examples,

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but it's like, why isn't it this

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white country? Exactly. Why

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haven't we fucking cracked

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down on the gays and nonwhites?

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What is going on? That

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was the promise that I

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heard in Trump. And you

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know you made it to me,

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don't you? And Trump will be

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like, no, no, no, I didn't make it to you. There's good people

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on both sides. Now, you know what you fucking

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said. And it's because this side

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has strong sixth

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sense. Yeah. They have a supernatural

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power. They can

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hear what they're going to say before they

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say it. Right. So I

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do not appreciate this show.

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I think it sucks.

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I think that Alex is veering into

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territory that will very quickly be

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so far past

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the point of social acceptability

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that I just

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I don't think, I mean

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any much further than

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this and I'm kind of of the opinion that maybe

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we shouldn't be, we shouldn't

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cover that show at all if it's

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I don't know. Our

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responsibility is something maybe we should discuss.

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Yeah. But yeah.

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When you see this sort of thing, it's like, wow, this

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this is a bad sign for the future.

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But also good that you're also doing this

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sort of a shift in the middle of a going

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out of business sale. Everything must

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go. Good luck, Alex.

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You dumb fuck.

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I wish you the worst of luck and I hope you

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fail immediately. Anyway, we'll be back

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on Monday.

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Until then, we have a website. We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We're on

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Twitter. We are. It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight

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and at Go To Bed Jordan. You can find us on

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We'd love it. And

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any help is appreciated. Sure.

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We will be back. But until then,

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I'm Neo. I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark. I am the juiciest

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Ice Cube. Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex. I'm a

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first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love

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your work. I love you.