Transcript/344: April 9-10, 2013

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Indeed we are, Dan

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Jordan, what is the word on the streets?

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Have you ever fell asleep in public?

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Oh man, back when I used to work at Groupon, at that time in my life, what I had to do was take the Hallsted bus

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all the way from my apartment to work

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No shit

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And the Groupon office is a good long shot down Hallsted

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Down to Chicago Avenue from my place up in, I don't remember exactly where I was living but

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I did get on at the terminal stop of the Hallsted bus

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So it was all the way as far north as the, which isn't really that far because it intersects with Broadway

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and then, who cares for everybody else out of Chicago, they have no idea what I'm talking about

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Anyway

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You were going down to Chicago and Damon, huh?

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It's a bit of a bus trip and I would almost fall asleep literally every morning and every return home

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I would be sitting there like, I'd feel myself fading and being like, come on, just fall asleep

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You can do it

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Just fall asleep

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And then another voice like, don't do it, you're going to be a guy asleep on a bus

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You already look like you do, you can't do that

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You got this huge beard

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You can't fill the stereotype of somebody who falls asleep on a bus

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Everyone expects you to be asleep on this bus, don't let them have it

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Have you ever missed a stop?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah

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Or not being asleep, but I've missed stops before, just from like negligence

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Yeah, absolutely, that's the worst

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Because sometimes it's not that bad, it's just like, you got to backtrack a block

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But sometimes, man, those routes, they'll take you to a really weird place at the next stop

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Now you're like half a mile away from where you need to be

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Yeah

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Yeah, I don't know, in terms of falling asleep in public though, actually

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Like church, fell asleep on one of those pews

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Definitely

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You did the whole, you got the red mark on your forehead

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That's less public than

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That's true

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Although one time, oh god, okay, here's a little church story

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Not really falling asleep

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All right

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When I was like, I don't know, maybe 11, 12-ish, put it in that ballpark

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I discovered how cool it is to lean back in your chair, right?

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Like I realized that non-reclining chairs, if you just tipped them up on the back two legs

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Oh, the two legs?

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Yeah, I know you're leaning back in the chair

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That's cool shit right there

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So I was in the middle of the church service

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I went to this like mega church, it was pretty big, the congregation

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Yeah

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And I was in the back row, and they didn't have pews, it was all like stationary chairs

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And I was like, this seems like a perfect opportunity to try out this whole leaning back in my chair thing

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And so I did it, and I'm leaning back, and I lose control, I just fall backwards, right?

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Everybody is like, there's a huge commotion

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Huge noise

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I'll be like three, four hundred people in this room

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I'll turn and look back at you

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But at the time I played basketball, it was pretty athletic

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Yeah

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So I was pretty like smooth

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I rolled out of the fall and ran out of the room

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So I don't know

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You'll never catch me, motherfuckers

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Exactly

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I don't know if anybody as a whole knew it was me

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But I completely disrupted the service

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That's fantastic

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Later that day, I'm talking to my brother, and my brother is like,

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Oh my god, were you in the service today?

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And I'm like, oh yeah, did you see that guy fall down?

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Couldn't tell him it was me

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Oh god

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Yeah, totally, that was so disruptive, that asshole

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What an asshole to do that

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Not quite the same as falling asleep, but still pretty embarrassing

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Still fantastic

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Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about almost falling asleep on a bus

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And falling over in my chair in church

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And a lot about Alex Jones

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And I only know what you tell me about both

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That's correct

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So Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over

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I am thrilled to get into some of this meat

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But before we get to that, I take a little moment to say thank you

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To some people who have signed up and are supporting the show

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So first, Daniel, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Make it Daniel, my brother

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Alright

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Alright, sorry

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Next, Jessica, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Jessica

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Next, Colin, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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Thank you Colin

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Next, Darian, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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Thanks Darren

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And then Ranch Dubois

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Thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you Ranch Dubois

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Thank you! Is that a play on Blanche Dubois? I would assume so, right?

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I think so.

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I would assume so.

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I'm going to guess.

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I imagine it's not Webb Dubois or W.E.B. Dubois.

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I would say that the rhyme doesn't quite work, were that to be the case.

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Also, I think it involves ranch salad dressing.

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Yes, that does sound right.

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Okay.

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Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who signed up on an elevated level.

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We really appreciate that.

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So, Sean, thank you so much.

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And Oz, WizardOf, thank you so much.

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You are both wonderful technocrats.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Sean and Oz, WizardOf.

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Yes, thank you very much to both good witches, I imagine.

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Absolutely. We appreciate it very much.

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And if you're out there listening and you like what we do and you'd like to support the show,

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you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click the button that says support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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It'd be great.

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So, Jordan, I had hoped to do a wacky Wednesday episode for today,

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but I regret to inform you that Carrie Cassidy, over at Project Camelot,

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has not gone back to Vacaville prison to talk to Mark Richards yet.

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She's teased that it's going to happen, but it doesn't happen.

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And then the rest of the episodes are like, I just can't. I can't do it.

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She interviewed the former guitarist of the Steve Miller band about how he like...

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That's riveting shit right there.

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It's surprisingly not that good.

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It was not something I could really sink my teeth into, let's say.

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Oh yeah? Did he just talk about the Steve Miller band or did he also get into aliens?

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It's not aliens. It has to do with twins having telepathic connections or something.

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I don't know. I couldn't handle it.

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My stated position on twins is not allowed.

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Don't like them.

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Suspicious.

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Uh-uh. Two of the same person? Not okay.

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No good.

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Not okay.

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So that world was just no good.

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And I can't handle listening to goddamn Jim Bakker. I can't do it.

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It's so boring to me.

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I know that people enjoy it and I wish that we could do more of it, but it is so boring.

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He is the worst.

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He's the worst. I don't know what to tell you.

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Even for the purposes of making fun of him, he's the worst.

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Yeah, yeah. He's a fucking disaster.

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Yeah, so Wacky Wednesday is in a tough space.

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But we'll figure out something to do with it in the future.

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And then simultaneously I don't think that Alex's present day is developing in an interesting way either.

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Of course not.

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Like the trends that we were seeing on our last present day episode don't seem to be continuing in any way that's compelling.

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Of course not.

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So I stuck around in the past and here we're going to be going over April 9th and 10th, 2013.

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Alrighty.

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Because I think we saw some very important trends happening on our last 2013 episode.

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And it's interesting to see where they go.

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And I'll say that I found a couple of really wild things in this stretch of time.

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So there's definitely value here as opposed to, let's say, talking about Abracadabra by the Steve Miller band.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well good. My heart is singing.

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Alright. Is that a Steve Miller reference?

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No. Wild Thing?

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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Wild Thing. You make my heart... You said I found a couple of wild things.

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Oh, okay. I thought it was another... I thought you thought that was Steve Miller.

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No, I didn't.

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Okay. Sorry.

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I was going based off the Tone Loke version, by the way, as well.

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I apologize. Sincerely thought that was an attempt at a Steve Miller tip.

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Was Tone Loke in Steve Miller band?

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He was.

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Oh, okay, good. Well then it was.

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So we're going to start here on the 9th.

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And it's Alex getting pretty severe about some news item that is developing in the world.

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This is a topic that he has been covering in the prior days.

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And I think he's going about this exactly the wrong way.

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Of course.

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North Korea to launch missile tomorrow after warning foreigners to evacuate the South.

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South Korea.

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Unprecedented to say we're going to attack you.

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There's going to be explosions in South Korea, Japan, and the West Coast, and Austin.

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He has atomic weapons.

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His entire government helped give it to his father in the mid-90s with ABB and Donald Rumsfeld.

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And it's just unprecedented.

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So Alex has, up to this point, the last few days of his show, have been involved with Steve Pacanik.

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Right.

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Being in, allegedly, in South Korea.

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He's in South Korea.

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He's going over there, and his whole reason to keep calling into Alex's show is to be like,

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the media needs to de-escalate this rhetoric.

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It's a load of bullshit.

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This is a psyop.

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Right.

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This is a point in trying to saber-rattle all this nonsense as shit.

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To which Alex says, we're all going to die soon.

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We're all going to die.

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The American government has doomed us all to death.

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North Korea's going to fire missiles tomorrow.

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Yeah.

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Like, even if they say that, you've got a psych warfare expert who's been coming on your show

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telling you that the media needs to calm down.

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Do you think that doesn't apply to you?

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Of course not.

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This is directly the opposite.

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No, of course it doesn't apply to him.

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Steve Pacanik supports him completely.

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Ridiculous.

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And then that stuff about ABB and Donald Rumsfeld giving North Korea those reactors, it's so

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much more of a complicated situation than Alex is presenting.

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He's selling the version that they just wantonly and randomly were like, ooh, let's arm North Korea.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Meanwhile, it was in the middle of real, very serious non-proliferation talks where it looked

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like North Korea was intending to withdraw from the non-proliferation treaty.

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Right.

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And they had some reason to believe that they already had better reactors.

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Yeah.

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And ABB was allowed to sell these, what is it, the light water reactors.

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Okay.

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Because they're much harder to make weapons-grade plutonium with.

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Gotcha, gotcha.

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And as a part of the agreement of selling them these reactors, they had to deactivate

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and demolish their other reactors and allow weapons inspectors.

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Right.

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So it was a complicated deal as opposed to just being like, haha, let's give them nukes.

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Right, right.

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Which is what Alex wants the image to be, which just isn't real.

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So the deal was very similar to the Iran deal, essentially.

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There are similarities, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But also, North Korea was pretty clearly fucking around.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, of course, that's their brand, man.

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They've been doing it for years.

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You understand why someone would possibly make a decision that looks a little bit weird.

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Oh, of course.

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Because of the global circumstances that surround it.

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But the optics of it, and what Alex is talking about, is absolutely true.

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Donald Rumsfeld was on the board of ABB and they did sell light water reactors to North

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Korea at the time.

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Right.

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But it's also before the agreed framework completely collapsed in, what was it, 2002.

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So the world is, there are different sets of circumstances that were in place then that

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changed, maybe fairly quickly.

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Yeah.

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That's a good way of putting it.

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But even though it appears that selling reactors to them is nuclearization, it was an attempt

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at non-proliferation.

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Exactly.

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And it just, Alex doesn't care.

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It doesn't matter.

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No, I mean, it's the old adage, we make peace with our enemies, we don't need to make peace

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with our friends, that kind of situation.

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And so when you're negotiating...

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That's an okay way to put it.

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When you're negotiating something like that, you are going to have to give up something,

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otherwise, you're not negotiating, you're just threatening to bomb them.

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We'd already given aid in terms of trying to get them to stay within the framework.

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Right.

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And it worked a bit, but I don't know, it's just, he doesn't care for the subtleties.

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Nuance is not really his thing.

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I think more importantly though, he has this dude who's telling him X in the form of Steve

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Puchenik, and he's like, what if we just do the episode?

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I like it.

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It seems strange.

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So, in this next clip, Alex has another news item that is continuing another trend that

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we saw on our last episode, and I think he really steps in a big old puddle in this one.

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What a spectacle, Obama using those dead kids and rolling out the parents saying, America,

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it's your fault this happened, restrict your guns, no parents, you took your children to

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a government training center, advertised as a mass shooting facility, and you're the ones,

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globalists and supporters of it, that are supporting all the mentally ill people on

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the psychotropics, in almost every case they're on them.

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Not true.

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So, what's interesting here is that Alex has been dancing around actor ideas in terms of

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Sandy Hook.

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Right.

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And now he's expressing that these kids are dead.

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Yeah.

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He's not delivering the message to his audience that they're actors, but he's blaming the

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parents.

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Yeah.

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This is worse.

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No, it makes perfect sense.

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It's their fault.

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This is worse.

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No, no, no, no, it makes perfect sense.

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It's their fault, and so the only way to solve this problem is to harass them forever until

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they die.

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That makes perfect sense, right?

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He's been simultaneously dancing around the actor ideas and saying tacit admissions that

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there are dead children involved in this.

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Yeah.

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So his audience can't possibly know what point he's trying to make.

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Right.

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Because it's all over the place.

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But at the same time, in his acknowledgement that there are children that are dead, he's

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pointing the finger at the parents, like, you're the one who took them to school.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What?

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Yeah, you should have homeschooled them.

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If you don't want your kids to die in a school shooting, you gotta homeschool them, Dan.

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That's the only way I can see.

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Gun control?

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That's against the rules.

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Whatever it is.

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It's like, even if he believes there, or is presenting the belief that there's dead kids,

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or if it's fake, whatever message he's sending, it's targeting these parents.

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Yeah.

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It's victimizing them all over again, one way or another.

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It's wild.

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It's wild how bad this is.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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You expected just to jump down the road of the actors trying to take my guns.

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Yeah, pick a lane.

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What you don't expect is, like, hey, guess what, shooting was real, and fuck you.

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Fuck you, parents.

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You took your kids to school.

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You should have known.

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It's a government disarmament zone.

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Hey, if you took your kids to the golf course and they got struck by lightning, what are

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you doing golfing?

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That's your fault, Dan.

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You know that that's a weather disarmament zone?

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It's insane.

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Like, these trends that we're seeing are just, like, completely fucked up.

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Yeah, I don't-

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It's so much weirder than I expected.

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I mean, because he knows that it's real.

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He knows that the kids died.

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Yes.

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So it's almost like his waffling position is just as much him, like, forgetting whether

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or not he's lying at this point in time, you know?

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Like, if he's coming off the dome, he might accidentally acknowledge that it wasn't a

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false flag and maybe the kids actually died.

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But, if he's thinking about it, then he can present you a clear, everything was a false

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flag bullshit.

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Some of that's possible, but if you want to look at it in, like, the crassest way possible,

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like, just like the most cynical approach, it's like, this is market testing.

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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This is like, you can say A and B and see what the audience responds to more and then

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go with that.

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Right.

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Like, if you're looking at it from a marketing perspective, that could easily explain this

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sort of disjointed behavior where everything's fake and then also it's real but it's the

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government and it's the parents' fault for bringing kids to school.

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Right.

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Like, I don't know what he's doing, but, like, if it's accidental, it's still manipulative

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as hell.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And insane to expect his audience to figure out what the point is.

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Yeah.

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It's Schrodinger's school shooting until the audience determines which one they believe

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in both exist at the same time and then the waveform collapses and guess what?

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False flag, all actors.

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All right.

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Hey.

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So, there's the other trend that we were seeing in the last episode and that was that Alex

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is really, really seriously ramping up his rhetoric about how the globalists want to

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take your kids.

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Yeah, he's trying to get people killed.

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Well, I mean, by proxy, yeah, or like by extension, but that seemed to be like a giant editorial

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move on his part.

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Like, it was like, we're focusing on this.

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CPS is coming, they're also having sex with your kids and then they want to deliver them

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back to you dead or something.

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Naturally, yeah.

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So, Alex has found a news item that dovetails into that narrative and he decides to go whole

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hog with it.

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Oh, no.

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And it was a very bad idea for him to do this.

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That's not good.

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You know where you got to go now if you want to escape the incredible tyranny of the United

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States?

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You got to flee to Cuba.

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They've got surveillance footage from the dock in Tampa, Florida, where they believe

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Michael Haken and his wife with their two children that they kidnapped.

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Why he's supposedly the Air Force veteran engineer, his wife and engineer.

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No criminal record got caught with a bowl of marijuana in Louisiana.

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So they took his kids and a year later he was tired of it.

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So he went and got them back and I was just watching CNN.

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They're all breathless.

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He ran to Cuba with the kidnapped children and they're all got real serious faces.

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There's nothing worse than a family.

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Now, if you drone strike a whole village to kill one guy, that's peace prize.

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But I'm telling you, a dad and a mother standing up to the state with their kids, I mean, there

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is nothing worse.

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Point well taken about drones.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Fair enough.

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I'm going to give you that one.

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Don't know if it's related.

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Obama shouldn't have that peace prize, but yeah, I'm with you.

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So Alex has this dude's name wrong.

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His name is actually Joshua Haken.

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I think that he might have said it intentionally wrong to make it harder for people to find

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the story that he's talking about.

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So what's going on here at this stretch of time, like I said, on Alex's show is that

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he's really into the idea that the globalists want to take your kids.

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He needs to push that.

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So he's trying to latch onto any story that comes close to these sorts of elements.

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And thus he ends up making heroes out of this Florida couple who kidnapped their own two

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children and tried to flee to Cuba.

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They're white, so Alex views this as the state cracking down on them, but I don't make such

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quick snap judgments.

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Oh, you don't?

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No.

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So I needed to know more about the case before I made a decision about what I thought.

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I don't understand why you would want more information before you throw out a theory

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half cocked.

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So my first red flag was from an NBC Miami article about the couple being found trying

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to flee, specifically the part where the children's grandfather, who had permanent custody of

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the children, was completely on board with what the police did.

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This wasn't a case where the kids were adopted out to strangers or something.

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It was family members, and they were in agreement that Joshua shouldn't have custody of those

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kids.

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That's a pretty relevant piece of information because your family knows you pretty well.

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No, no.

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Globalists.

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They're all globalists, Dan.

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They're all in on it.

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The second thing I found particularly interesting was that this was not the first time Joshua

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had tried to kidnap his children.

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See, that does not surprise me even in the slightest.

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Apparently, for a short amount of time after the state had taken away his parental rights,

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they were in a foster home, and he showed up at that foster home to try and remove them

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from custody at gunpoint.

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Okay.

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Well...

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That's a pretty extreme behavior.

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If you're showing up brandishing a gun trying to get your kids back, you're not some kind

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of noble hero.

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You are crazy.

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Someone who's really trying to get their kids back shows up to hearings.

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That's what they do.

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They deal with their father-in-law who has custody of the children.

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You know what that is?

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Just showing up to somebody's house with a gun to try and get anything means you should

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have your kids taken away, even if it's trying to get back your kids.

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Yeah.

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And your guns should be taken away, too.

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That's a different discussion, but I don't disagree.

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Normally, when a regular person hears a story like this about a parent who's kidnapped their

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child, their response is to be a bit cautious.

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No.

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While the parental instinct, I won't disagree, is a very strong one, cases where people kidnap

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their own children are generally ones that involve deeply disturbed individuals.

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So it's usually best to get a little more information before you support a particular

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person in that kind of situation.

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Alex doesn't play that shit.

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He's got parental paranoia to stir up, so he paints Joshua Haken as a hero.

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And man, that is a horrible decision that he made.

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The way Alex is reporting this, Joshua lost his kids because he was arrested with a bowl

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of marijuana in a hotel room, which is a bullshit charge.

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What do you see?

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Do you see a key bowl, like a 1970s key party, and he's just got this giant fish bowl filled

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with weed?

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No.

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I mean, you just imagine a hash pipe, you just imagine one of those... I can't even

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talk credibly about weed anymore, it's been way too long for me.

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But that's what Alex is saying, he just had a little bit of weed, and then the government

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evilly took his kids away.

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In reality, I'm going to read you here from the Tampa Bay Times.

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Oh, I'm not excited for this.

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Quote, Slidel police were called to the Holiday Inn where the Haken's were staying on the

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afternoon of June 17th, 2012, after receiving calls about a woman running down a hallway

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and knocking on doors.

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They found Sharon Haken, 34 years old, with quote, multiple bruises on her body and bumps

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on her head, where it looked like she was beaten.

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There you go.

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Quote, officers said they heard a child crying through the door of the family's hotel room.

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Entering, they found Joshua Haken sprawled on a bed with his children next to him.

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A heavy odor of marijuana smoke hung in the air.

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Joshua told officers that he would beat his wife Sharon to quote, bring her back to reality.

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He believed that she was possessed by spirits and said that he choked her to unconsciousness

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multiple times to rid her of those spirits.

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Gotcha, gotcha.

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So he's a biblical literalist.

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In interviews with authorities, the children said that they'd seen him hit their mother

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in their presence.

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He may have got arrested for marijuana possession initially, but the reason the situation escalated

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to the point it did, where he lost custody, was because of very serious domestic problems

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that were uncovered as a result of their initial call to the hotel room, which didn't have

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to do with weed.

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They got there and found drugs, a battered woman, and crying children.

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It would have been completely negligent for them to just be like, eh, seems fine.

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Also, according to the Tampa Bay Times article, the police found a large knife in the hotel

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room, which Josh asked them not to take, because, quote, I need it to complete the ultimate

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objective of my journey.

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Okay, uh, if you need a knife to complete the ultimate objective.

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A large knife.

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If you need a large knife to complete the ultimate objective, you better either be going

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through the jungle, or fucking returning that knife to the fucking princess so she can survive

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her coronation.

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You better not be hanging out with a wife you admit that you assault.

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Proudly.

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Yeah.

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In a hotel room with, uh, I mean, weed's no big deal, but for people who have other problems,

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it's very bad.

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Yeah.

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Um, so what I'm saying is these are some red flags.

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And if you're the police, you have every reason to assume that there's murder possibilities

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here.

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This is not a situation that you can just allow to be like, well, let's see what happens.

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No, this is murder-suicide written all over it.

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Absolutely.

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In discussions with the authorities, Joshua laid out his completely insane theories about

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how he was subjected to attacks by microwave weapons by the government, and how he was

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a victim of MK Ultra.

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He was convinced of literally every anti-government conspiracy theory you can think of, and was

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ultimately deemed legally insane by multiple mental health professionals.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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Ultimately, Joshua would get sentenced to 15 years in prison for kidnapping his children,

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and during his sentencing, he was given an opportunity to speak, which resulted in him

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ranting about nonsense for about 30 minutes.

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They gave him the opportunity to speak and they didn't stop him?

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I mean-

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And he Oscars his speech off?

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I honestly think also, if we're looking at this from a what's best standpoint, I kind

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of agree with his defense attorney that is like, going to prison is not going to help

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him at all.

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No, I know.

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He belongs in a hospital.

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I was really surprised when you sa- actually, no.

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I was not surprised when you said he got 15 years in prison.

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I was like, well, that's a bad idea.

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It seems to confirm a lot of his anti-government paranoia.

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Sure does.

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Like, that's what his defense attorney was arguing.

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And I can see that.

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I think one of the reasons that he did end up being sentenced to prison was because there

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was some dissenting voices about his legal insanity status.

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Some people who talked to him said that he was competent to stand trial.

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Sure.

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And I think because of some of that disagreement, there's like, fuck it, throw him to prison.

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Yeah.

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If I were the judge, I probably would be like, I don't know.

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I would honestly think, especially after this 30 minute diatribe, he's probably beyond the

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point where anyone can help him, but there might be a chance.

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Right.

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Because clearly drugs are involved here, too.

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This is not probably someone who's just doing marijuana.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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If he was a school shooter, Alex might have a point saying that he was on psychotropic

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drugs.

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Maybe.

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I might give him that one.

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Actually, he refused all drugs whenever he was in holding.

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Of course.

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They discussed how that was like, another reason it'd be pointless to put him in prison

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is because he's not going to put him in a hospital.

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No, no, no.

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Like, if you put him in prison, he's not going to take meds.

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Right.

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Whereas there is a chance they could forcibly give him meds.

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Oh, okay.

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Now I gotcha.

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I don't know if that's part of the reasoning for why they wanted him to go to a hospital.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, I would err on the side of like, put him in a federal hospital.

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Yeah, I doubt prison guards are gonna, you know, chase him down and say, did you take

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your meds today?

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Yeah, I have no idea.

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I think that what you have here is a very disturbed and domestically violent person.

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But on the stand, I'll read to you from this Tampa Bay Times article, quote, he had been

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reborn twice, survived attempts on his life, and witnessed deer, snakes, and foxes bow

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down to him.

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He said, quote, I am Icarus.

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I am Mohammed to the Shia Muslims.

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I am the Joshua of the tribe of Judah.

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I am the Pahana, or the true white friend of the Hopi.

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I am the one written about in prophecies.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So.

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All right.

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This guy's a little out there.

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Take some violence away and we could do an episode about him.

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This is not the story of a heroic father who wanted to reclaim his children from the evil

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state who had ripped them from him.

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This is an insane domestic abuser committing insane levels of domestic abuse.

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It's staggering to imagine what those kids were going through in that household and what

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they went through when they were kidnapped.

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I mean, just consider.

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In order to kidnap the children, Joshua actually tied up their grandmother to get away with

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them.

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Yeah.

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And when the kids were rescued, they were badly sunburned for being out on that boat

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that was headed to Cuba.

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Of course.

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This is a seriously traumatic event for these children.

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Jesus Christ.

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And when I was reading about the grandparents' response to this, they were like, we're not

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even talking to them about this.

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And like, what we're doing is pretending it was a vacation because the kids were like

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two and four.

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Yeah.

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So it's like, we can maybe make this not be, have them experience this as a trauma.

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Right.

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So everyone leave them the fuck alone.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And I think that's great.

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But even so, I still think there's going to be a fingerprint of like some trauma.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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For sure.

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There's going to be some sort of PTSD.

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Yeah.

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But the reality doesn't matter to Alex.

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It's all about objects.

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And here we have a story that he can turn into being about the evil government taking

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your kids.

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So he doesn't give a fuck about what he's actually doing by supporting this guy is supporting

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domestic violence.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I like how he yada yada's all of that with just, so they took away his kids and then

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a year later he was tired of it.

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And so he went and got them.

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That's the end of the story for him.

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That doesn't sound right.

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No, because also prior to that, he was tired of it and showed a bit of foster home with

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a gun.

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Yeah.

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But somehow I feel like Alex would have been, would totally understand that move.

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Like Alex, if you were talking to Alex, he would say, absent from his coverage of the

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story.

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If you were talking to Alex, he would be like, yeah, if somebody took my kids away, I'd go

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wherever they were with my gun.

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And I I'd be willing to kill anybody who got in the way of me and my kids and that kind

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of thing.

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And I understand the appeal of that line of thinking and that rhetoric, the inseparability

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of parent and child, those archetypes.

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I understand that.

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And like, let's say if some gang of the mafia took your kid, then by all means.

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It's literally the plot of Taken.

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If it's Taken, cool.

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There aren't like proper recourse in terms of like systems where you can get your parental

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rights back with the mafia.

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They don't have those.

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The Cosa Nostra do have hearings.

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They hold once a year to see if they can give competency hearings with the Don or whatever.

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Anyway, I was the day of my daughter's wedding.

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I will give you back your child.

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I I realized that this like it really is just it's a part of the Alex's continuing coverage

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of the global swan.

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Take your kids.

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This weaves perfectly into it.

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So he doesn't care about the details.

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And that was enough for me to be OK.

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That's why Alex is covering this.

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Yeah.

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But the more he kept talking, the more I realized there was another reason.

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Oh, no.

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And the reporters just all looked extremely freaked out on CNN during the break right

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before we went live here.

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They were this is just terrible.

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These these anti-government people are despicable.

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Why they don't believe the state owns the children and they don't believe we should

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be able to put hundreds of vaccines on them and they don't like America being run by foreign

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New World Order.

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And worst of all, they had an info wars dot com bumper sticker on their house.

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It is absolutely horrible.

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There we go.

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Joshua Haken was an info warrior.

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There it is.

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Got to get out in front of that one.

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You got to control the narrative on that one.

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Definitely don't want people a reporter who showed up at his house.

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This dude's house found an info wars bumper sticker on the guy's mailbox.

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On the mailbox.

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Yes.

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What an asshole.

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So Alex has every reason to, as they say, protect the business.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Protect the brand here.

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And what's interesting about this is like if Alex ran into this guy on the street, I

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mean, we've seen how he interacts with his fans.

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He runs away from them.

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Yeah.

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He would run away from this dude in a second.

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That's just terrifying.

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Of course he would run away.

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I took my wife out to get rid of spirits.

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Also, I'm the pahana.

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OK, cool.

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I got to go.

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I like you.

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But first off, I think I too think we are our ancestors.

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Sure.

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And then he jumps up, his legs spin and he disappears in a cloud of smoke.

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He runs through a wall to get away from him.

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It's a fucking cartoon.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Haken painted a mural on the wall of a long tunnel and he just goes straight through it.

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But because this guy is safely going to be in prison and his story can be manipulated

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and used to support whatever narratives Alex has, he's a hero and he's an info warrior.

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They're trying to make all of us look bad.

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He's probably the globalist who put that sticker on the mailbox.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Probably.

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God, if I was the mail person and I walked to that mailbox every day and saw that info

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war sticker, I'm laying the mail on the ground.

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I think because there's no way I'm opening up that mailbox.

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I think that might be illegal.

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You think so?

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But that mailbox might have a fucking snake in it or a bomb or something.

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It's a snake that's going to just pop out and be like, don't tread on me.

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I think that any disruption of the mail service, regardless of who does it, is a crime.

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Probably.

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I believe that's the case.

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It's one of those things like it's technically, I think as I recall, it's a felony to like

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smash mailboxes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Much more serious crime.

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Right.

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Just like petty.

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Right.

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Larceny.

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But they didn't put, you know, they didn't have weather rain nor sleet nor hail nor info

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wars bumper stickers.

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It was just the weather that they were talking about there.

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I think info wars bumper stickers are still open season for ignoring.

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You may have an argument here.

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So Alex talks a little bit more about this Josh situation.

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And this is really interesting because he tries to read an article about it.

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But listen very carefully, because there is a certain point where he stops reading.

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And I know where that point is now.

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The boys have been living since last year with their maternal grandparents who were

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granted permanent custody a week ago.

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The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office alleges that Michael Hagen and it goes on from there.

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You know what it alleges?

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Why did what kind of Oh, fuck you.

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Fuck you, Alex from 2013.

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That's right where it says that he tied the grandmother.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yeah.

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Of course it is.

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Of course, that's where they outline all the reasons that he shouldn't have his fucking

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kid.

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Right.

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And I want to play this again.

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Listen to this and see how like in the middle of a sentence, Alex stops reading because

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he's scanned ahead.

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I'm like, yeah.

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Oh, that interferes with the narrative.

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And then this dude tied up the grandmother.

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Yeah, he's not gonna win.

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The boys have been living since last year with their maternal grandparents who were

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granted permanent custody a week ago.

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The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office alleges that Michael Hagen and it goes on from there.

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That's so fucking pathetic.

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Absolutely.

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That's pathetic.

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Most of which because it does ruin our long standing theory that he is 100% illiterate.

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He can read ahead at least in 2013.

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My argument has never been that he's actually illiterate.

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It's that he lacks reading comprehension or he lacks bigger picture context skills in

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terms of reading.

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He has a fucked up version of literacy.

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Just the actual words he can make out.

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But also it demonstrates like there is no preparation.

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Like he doesn't know this story at all before he starts reporting it because he would have

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known that like this paragraph gets into the fact that this dude tied up a grandma.

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Yeah.

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That's no good.

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It's not great.

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God, that would really fuck him up too.

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If he...

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Oh my God.

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If he accidentally just pulled read that.

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If he accidentally read it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that'd been so good.

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Sometimes you gotta tell your grandma.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Trying to twist the pretzel to get around that.

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That would be fun to watch.

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He's reading that.

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He's like, this is gonna be too tough.

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It goes on from there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It goes on from there.

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I do like a good real time punt, you know, like in real time he was like, nope, not gonna

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win that battle.

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Nope.

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Gonna move on.

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It's pretty impressive.

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Like those editorial skills.

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Yeah.

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Like, nope, this is against the narrative.

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Nope.

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Get it out of here.

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Filter it.

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So we get back to a little bit of Sandy Hook talk here and Alex is pretty much like spinning

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his wheels trying to find ways to attack the mainstream media story about Sandy Hook without

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going too far with it and he finds something that he thinks is like indicative of a connection

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between so many of these school shootings that lends itself, I don't know, the appearance

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of maybe it's all staged event and man, this is crazy stuff.

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This is the type of stuff they're doing and I'm gonna tell you, New Haven, Sandy Hook,

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it's got Inside Job written all over it.

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You look at Harris and Kleibold and all of these events, I mean, you know, the parents

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are always working for DARPA.

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So his argument here is relying on a conspiracy theory that Adam Lanza's mother worked for

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DARPA.

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Yeah, I remember that one.

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Now, I have no idea about the credence of anything I'm about to tell you.

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I want to make that caveat right up top.

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I want to give you that qualification and then we can take what we find and from there

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I'll allow you and the audience to make their own conclusions.

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So like I said, Alex is talking about the idea that Adam Lanza's mom, Nancy, worked

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for DARPA.

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From all official accounts I can find, this is not true.

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Nancy was unemployed, having been awarded enough in alimony from her divorce to live

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without a job.

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I can find no sources that I find credible arguing that Nancy worked for DARPA, but I

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can find ones that I don't find credible making that claim.

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There are a lot of weird blogs and independently run conspiracy sites that claim Nancy moved

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to Newtown in order to work for DARPA.

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And without exception, they all base this on one source.

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But some of the posts you'll find on message boards will just cut off the attribution and

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make the claim, but it all traces back to one place.

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This source is an alleged report distributed to the Kremlin by the FSB, Russia's intelligence

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service.

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Sure.

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Fine.

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Fine.

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Of course.

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Why wouldn't it be the Russian intelligence service that leads to this bullshit?

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Don't get ahead of yourself.

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Okay.

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The earliest reporting that I can find on this is dated December 15th, 2012, just after

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the shooting.

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There's no link to the FSB report that I can find, and there's no substantiation for this

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outside of it just being asserted on a website called whatdoesitmean.com.

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In order to gauge that site's editorial standards, I decided to check out their front page and

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see what news they're reporting, and here are some of their headlines.

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Michael Haken, great guy.

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Quote, Russia mobilizes 12,000 troops after snake-like alien craft communicating with

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mysterious interstellar object attacks Norway.

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Right.

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I remember that.

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I remember when the-

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No, that's happening right now.

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That's happening right now.

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Right now.

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In 2019?

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Yes.

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Oh, I thought that was 2013.

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That's their top headline.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Here's one from a little while back.

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Quote, US Army takes over Pentagon after US Navy smuggles ISIS snipers into America to

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kill Trump.

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Okay.

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Now, that is the type of ridiculous world I want to live in.

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Sure.

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I prefer that to the one we're living in currently, because I'll tell you right now, if the Army

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and the Navy are currently in a death battle over who controls the Pentagon-

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They generally just have a high profile football game.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the Navy is smuggling in ISIS, which is like, why are you smuggling

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in ISIS?

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You're the Navy.

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We got to have plausible deniability.

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It's in the headline to kill Trump.

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So they do that.

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They do that.

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And they start going, I'll tell you what, we don't have time to talk about Sean Spicer.

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That's what I'm saying right now.

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That's what I want to live in.

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Fair enough.

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This site is full of bullshit.

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Yes, it is.

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Yeah.

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Yes, it is, Dan.

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But if you look through the content that's posted on that site, it really feels like

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almost all of the stories are overtly pro-Russia and seem to start by citing unseen reports

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allegedly circulating in the Kremlin.

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And this is suspicious.

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Now, in the ensuing days after this report was published on December 15, 2012, the information

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made its way onto message boards and eventually to websites like Super Soldier Talk and sites

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with seemingly non-insane names, but are insane, like eutimes.net.

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There's absolutely zero doubt that Alex either got the information he's repeating from this

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site or someone reposting this site's content.

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It's absolutely the root of the theory from which all of the branches grow.

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Now, I don't believe the author of this site is relying on real Russian intelligence reports

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to make their site.

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I don't know.

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That giant snake alien really reminds me of something.

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It's possible, but it also seems super unlikely to me.

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Probably.

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It seems more like the site is run by a real weirdo conspiracy theorist who relies on claiming

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FSB reports that you know no one can confirm or deny or anything like that in order to

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create the validity and the credibility of whatever bullshit you're putting out.

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Right, right, right, right.

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The site is alleged to be run by a person named Sorcha Fall, F-A-A-L, whose actual

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name is Sister Maria Theresa.

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What?

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You see, Sorcha...

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What?

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Sorcha Fall...

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What did you just say to me?

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Sorcha Fall is a title that's given to a person after they're elected to this position of

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leadership in a group known as the Order of Sorcha Fall.

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Okay.

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This woman, Maria Theresa, is the 73rd in the line of Sorcha Falls after her election

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in 2007.

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73rd.

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73rd.

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73rd.

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Long line.

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What are their term limits?

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I don't know.

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I couldn't get that information.

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Because if it's a lifetime appointment, we're dealing with some fucking Templar order is

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what we're dealing with right now.

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I think it's bullshit.

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Well, she is the only white friend to the Hopi.

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That is true.

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She is pahana.

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And many folks on message boards believe this to be a cover, and that the real author of

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the site is a guy named David Booth.

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Many people don't think that that guy is telling the truth.

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Yeah, and some people believe it's a guy named David Booth, but some people actually think

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that David Booth himself is a cover for somebody else.

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It's a lot of bullshit.

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But the bottom line is this shit is shady as hell, and this is not a good source of

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information.

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If you're relying on this, you are in bad shape.

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I'm going to toss out this theory.

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Love it.

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Putin gets bored, so he likes to write fanfic.

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That's the goal right there.

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He's got all these secret intelligence reports from the Kremlin, so why not?

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I love it.

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See, I don't think it's a Russian intelligence front or anything like a Putin live journal.

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I don't think so.

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All right.

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I'll have to read it further.

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For one reason, I think that they would do a much better job with the site, which looks

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like a Geocities nightmare.

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It's just a disaster.

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That aspect of this isn't really important to me, though, but what is that Alex is accepting

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this information is true, and legitimately the only place that it could be coming from

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is this website.

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We can see it when we look at this April 2013 period.

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Alex is in the process of changing his mind and his coverage about Sandy Hook, and one

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of the things he's decided is credible is information being put out by the 73rd Sorcha

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Fall.

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This is nuts.

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No one is convincing him of this.

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No one has come on the show and told him this piece of information.

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Alex is introducing it to the show himself, presenting it as something credible, and that's

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really fucked up.

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The only two possibilities here, I think this covers all possible realities.

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One is he got the information directly or secondhand from the site himself and thought

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it was cool.

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Or two, someone told him that Lanza's mom worked for DARPA, and he did literally no

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work in trying to substantiate it before repeating it on air.

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This shit is embarrassing, but this lack of any kind of standard for disseminating very

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serious information is also really dangerous, and we're seeing it right here.

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We're seeing this lack of editorial standard in any way.

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Because he wants to say the globalists want to take your kids, he's defending this completely

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insane, domestic, violent weirdo who has an Infowars sticker on his mailbox.

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And then because he wants to cast suspicion about Sandy Hook and claim that Adam Lanza's

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mom worked for DARPA, he's taking information that's been laundered from a fake Russian

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intelligence report on a completely insane website.

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Right.

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It almost seems like having a thing that you want to be true and then just searching the

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Internet scouring for any possible proof of that might lead you to say wrong, evil, dumb

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things.

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Yeah.

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Or as I like to call it, right wing media.

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That's one of the reasons why I'm really glad that I started out this show with an openness

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to Alex being right about some things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I've not set out to prove him wrong about things.

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It just happens.

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Yeah.

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It's just well, it's just like Thomas Jefferson said, this guy, Alex, is fucking stupid.

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Yeah, I think now it's just become habit to like it's it's like it's so consistent that

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he's just wrong about all this shit that it seems like I'm setting out to debunk it right

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now.

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It's just it's just that situation of if you are doing anything and you have already decided

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what the end game is and you will ignore literally anything else along the way in order to get

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to that end game, you're you're just that's pointless like any study, any study that's

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paid for by the fucking Koch brothers where they're like, ah, see, we actually found a

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small Ice Age in but it is all built around the idea that we saw this little weird bit

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of data.

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So recontextualize it so we can lie about it.

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That's all we want to do.

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We don't want to find out anything that we don't want to be true.

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The small version of that is Alex finding a story about a guy fleeing to Cuba.

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Exactly.

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It's like, well, now it turns out everybody is has their kids vulnerable to the state.

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Yeah, whatever.

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There's an Ice Age in but for a few years.

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So that means that the entire fucking government and science establishment is trying to lie

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to us in order to get fucking carbon taxes.

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Yeah, that's it.

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So Alex is really mad on this episode this April 9th about Obama meeting with the Sandy

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Hook families.

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And he thinks that they're using them as props in order to achieve their gun control agenda.

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Right.

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Taking the guns, which now let me check my watch.

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It's 2019.

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How we doing?

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Still hasn't happened at all.

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Did they get them?

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No.

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So here is Alex talking about how Obama uses fake polls in order to make his arguments.

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All right, so Obama quotes some university poll, government funded poll that no other

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polls show that 90 percent of people support, quote, background checks that are really registration

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for confiscation.

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Criminals go out and get their guns regardless.

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Mentally ill people are just going to steal them like Adam Lanza did, if you believe he's

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not a total patsy.

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Cool.

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So in that clip, you get a really interesting glimpse into how Alex twists things on multiple

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levels, multiple axes, if you will.

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The first move is saying that the stats Obama cited are from a government poll.

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He then further impugns the numbers by saying that they're out of line with every other

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poll.

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Then he recontextualizes the poll itself by saying that the background checks are actually

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just registration for confiscation.

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These are all things he's doing without providing any evidence or support, nothing.

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He's just attacking the statistic without doing any of the work he needs to do in order

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to refute it.

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As for calling the poll a government poll, that's a meaningless attack.

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The polls that Obama were using were Gallup polls.

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And if Alex is saying that Gallup is just controlled by the government, then what he's

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doing is just trying to wage a full-scale war on any semblance of a shared reality that's

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measured by statistical analysis.

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Yeah, it's a good thing that would never work.

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Aha.

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That Gallup analysis found that support for all of Obama's planned initiatives to deal

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with gun violence was overwhelmingly positive.

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91% would vote for criminal background checks on all gun sales, 82% would vote for increased

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government spending for mental health programs for the youth, 75% would vote for an increased

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criminal penalty for people who buy guns for people who couldn't pass a background check,

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60% would vote for the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban.

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These were ideas that Obama had proposed, but Gallup polled people specifically neutrally

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by not connecting the plans to Obama in their questioning.

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Yeah, and the moment they fucking connected it to Obama, it's like 50%, fucking fuck these

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people.

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It probably dropped, but I don't know, I didn't see any poll that tried it with Obama's name

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to see the discrepancy.

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Well, it's what they did with the ACA.

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Every time they polled without mentioning that it was...

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Calling it Obamacare versus ACA, there was differences.

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But...

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Sorry for interrupting.

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Oh, no, that's all right.

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But the way you sort of neutralize that effect is by just saying, like, do you support this

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position as opposed to do you support Obama's position?

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Obama's position, yeah.

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And that's what they did, and they found overwhelming support for all of it.

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That's very hard for Alex to deal with.

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So he just says it's a government poll, and now he doesn't have to deal with the fact

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that he himself is an extreme outlier.

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As to the question of whether or not this result is in line with other poll results,

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I don't know what he's talking about.

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Polling has been very consistent in showing huge support for these sorts of measures.

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A couple of things to discuss, Gallup takes track of historical trends.

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And one question they've asked in polls since 1990 is, quote, in general, do you feel that

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laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept

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as they are now?

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In the entire history of asking that question, the percent that say less strict has never

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been more than 14%, and is regularly less than 10%.

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Besides saying more strict has only been under 50% seven times in the entire history of polling

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that question, and it's never been lower than 43%.

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Their polls have shown massive support for background checks universally over a long

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span of time.

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Dan, that can't be true.

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We live in a democracy.

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So it seems like if a large majority of people support something, there's no way that it

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couldn't be passed into law.

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We live in a republic, but...

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Oh, yeah?

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Yeah.

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Is Gallup a corrupt republic, a kleptocratic nightmare oligarchy?

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Well, when you...

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I mean, I don't know.

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Yes.

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If it was just put to a raw vote of the public, yes, absolutely, these things would be taken

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care of.

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Yeah, easily.

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And when you compare those results that Gallup has historically to other polls, you see that

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it's not an outlier at all.

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Quinnipiac's June 2017 study found 94% approval for background checks.

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Washington University's July 2016 found 84%.

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There's literally nothing I can find to support the idea that Alex is advancing, namely that

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there's credible polls showing lower support for background checks for gun purchasing.

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Which is why he needs the last element, the reframing of background checks just to be

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about regulation for confiscation.

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And honestly, I can't do anything with that kind of paranoia.

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You can just run wild with that shit if you want to.

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Like you shouldn't have to do a background check when I apply for a job.

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That's just letting the government know where I work so they can get me fired.

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You shouldn't do a background check when I try to rent an apartment.

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That's just telling the government where I live so they can send a drone at me for being

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a patriot.

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In life, there are times when submitting to a background check are pretty understandable

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and necessary.

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If your real problem is that you think that this is some kind of registration, then you

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should be politically moving to help shape the system that the background checks take

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place in.

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You should be pushing for background checks that are not kept on file.

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You should be advocating for the background checks to be as anonymized as possible with

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no data retention.

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What you shouldn't do, if you're a sane person, is pretend that background checks are the

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same thing as confiscation.

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Because ultimately, what you're doing then is actively supporting people who can't pass

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background checks getting guns.

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If that's what you're all about, cool.

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But don't try to act like you're in favor of responsible gun ownership then.

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Because you're not.

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You're lying.

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You're literally in favor of irresponsible gun ownership.

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Yes.

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And you fall back on the, like, criminals get guns anyway.

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It's like, you're being a denialist about this.

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Yeah, no shit.

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It's insane.

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Look, look, look.

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But also-

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You're gonna get shot, so why try and not get shot, huh?

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That doesn't make any sense.

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But also, I'm saying, like, own that position.

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Yeah.

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Like, don't try to pretend that you're in favor of law-abiding, honest, good people

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owning guns.

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You're eroding a system where there could be checks and controls in place.

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You can't own that position.

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There are less than 10% of the rest of the country that agrees with you.

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You have to lie about your position and pretend that you're in the majority in order to trick

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enough of those idiots into following along with your dumb bullshit that they don't agree

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with.

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I mean, it's just a mess.

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So on this episode, I think we've seen, like, a good bit of Alex kind of, like, just being

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full of shit about various things, trying to lead his audience to believe that Joshua

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Haken is a hero, particularly.

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You know, lying about things, passing along the idea that Nancy worked for DARPA based

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on this dumb blog.

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So this clip I find particularly funny.

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You see, you've got the globalists that know they've got a public.

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You've got two different publics.

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You've got a public that's awake and aware, and then you've got the public that literally

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are as dumb as the day is long, the most gullible, soft, stupid, pathetic on the government dole.

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And I don't just mean welfare people.

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I mean all the government types.

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So there's two publics.

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There's Alex's, awake and aware people, and then there's the dum-dums who don't agree

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with him.

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I imagine he thinks one of those is more important and should have more power than the other

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one.

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I assume so.

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Also, I wonder if that's buzz marketing for Carrie Cassidy's Awake and Aware conference.

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That is the name of her conference.

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So this is a wacky Wednesday after all.

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There we go.

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So Alex, when he talks about gun stuff, one of the things that he always brings up is

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this idea that it's been proven that guns reduce crime.

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Which we have established previously in multiple episodes that it is not.

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We've talked about some of that stuff, but I don't think we've actually talked about

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his specific statistic that he always cites.

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Oh, okay.

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So he brings that up in this clip, and then I want to talk about it a little bit.

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I mean they've taken the guns everywhere else they're in control.

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That needs to be the message.

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Everywhere you're in control, you use these arguments to register and then confiscate,

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and everywhere you're in control in America, you've totally taken the guns.

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Shut up, liars!

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And stop lying to me!

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And stop pinning those dead kids on me when you made it to Gun Free Zone and you advertised

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it for the place for your Prozac heads to go kill people!

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You shouldn't be, hey, be reasonable.

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Don't blame me for that.

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Crimes drop 49% because of gun ownership going up.

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Why are you blaming us?

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Man, you're stupid.

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They're not stupid.

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They're not stupid.

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They know what they're doing.

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They are not stupid.

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So that's one of Alex's favorite talking points.

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You see it all the fuck over the place.

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It's one I've heard him scream about pretty consistently in any time period of his show

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that I've listened to.

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That idea that there's a 49% drop in violent crime that was caused by people having more

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guns.

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This, again, is an instance of Alex being completely illiterate when it comes to how

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statistics work.

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The part of this that's true is that during the time span of 1993 to 2013, private gun

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ownership numbers went up and the violent crime rate went down.

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Both of these are correct, but what Alex has failed to do in any way is demonstrate causation.

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There's no reason to believe that just because two things happened around the same time as

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each other, or even at the same time as each other, that they're somehow related.

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No, there's a famous saying, correlation equals causation.

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Everybody says it all the time, Dan.

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There's a whole website dedicated to really weird correlated phenomena that aren't causally

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linked in any way.

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It's created by a guy named Tyler Vigeon, and he's tracked these really bizarre connections

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and found things like there's a 99.26% correlation between 2000 to 2009 in the divorce rate in

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Maine and the per capita consumption of margarine.

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Oh, that makes sense.

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It's a very strong correlation.

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That really makes sense.

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There's also a 95% correlation from 1999 to 2010 in the marriage rate in Kentucky and

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the number of people who drowned after falling out of a fishing boat.

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Yeah, no, of course.

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When you get married in Kentucky, sooner or later, you're going to drown.

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Well, but sooner or later wouldn't make it so immediate.

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The time is matched amazingly.

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Well, I mean, a lot of people in Kentucky go on honeymoon fishing trips.

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So there you go.

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Anyway, he wrote a book about this called spurious correlations, which if nothing else

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is demonstrative of how just because two numbers run similar paths or appearingly correlated

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paths, that doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other.

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People who have studied at point the gun violence drop and the gun ownership, the violent crime

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drop and gun ownership increase, they point to other variables that explain the drop as

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being possible post 1993, which was a high point.

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One major factor is that the post World War II baby boom generation had just passed the

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age brackets that are most statistically likely to be high crime ages.

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Right.

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The baby boomers just stopped killing people.

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Well, the lowering of crime is partially attributable to that massive block of population aging

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out of the high crime periods in people's lives.

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Now, it's like 18 to 40 or whatever is when you're 16 to 40 or something like that.

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And once you're past 40, there's a huge drop in weather.

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When you're older, you're much less likely to commit violent crime.

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It's just harder to stab people.

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It's just really hard.

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Yeah.

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No, I like to be in bed by nine.

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I can't commit crimes after that.

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Another element is that the economy was improving and natural byproduct of that is a drop in

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crime.

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Other folks have theories about how the drop is partially fueled by increased access to

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abortion so people were able to control their family size.

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That was Freakonomics or those two dudes?

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I don't know if it was specifically them, but they might have also touched on that.

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Yeah, they helped to popularize that.

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Okay.

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And then also decreased exposure to lead is another big factor that people point to.

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That again, those aren't proven, but they're theories that people have put forth who have

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actually studied these numbers.

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Other not so great factors are in the mix too, like the soaring rates of incarceration

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for nonviolent offenders.

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That's just a huge population of people who are now in a controlled environment.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Which is not in and of itself a good thing.

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No, it's terrible.

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Yeah.

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But you have a net less population.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So what Alex has failed to do in any way is take these other factors into account, preferring

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instead to just take this statistic that crime dropped 49% in a period of time that gun ownership

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has risen and he's decided that guns were the reason that the rate dropped.

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This isn't how serious people approach stats.

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If serious people...

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They have looked at the issue and they found the exact opposite conclusion from what Alex

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has come up with.

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Most notably in that 2017 Stanford study that showed that states that pass right-to-carry

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laws experience a 13% to 15% increase in violent crime.

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So I don't...

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The essential piece of this is when you look at what Alex is doing, he's taking a correlation

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and implying causation and he does no work in any way to establish that.

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He doesn't have any study to show like, oh, it is true that more guns equals less crime.

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People who have looked at it from that viewpoint, the relationship between the more guns and

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less crime, they look at it from a standpoint of rising crime makes people buy more guns.

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They look at it from almost like...

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Their analysis of the statistics shows almost the opposite of what Alex is saying is that

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crime motivates people to buy guns as opposed to gun buying leads people to do less crime.

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So all I'm saying is Alex is just being fast and loose, dodging around, being shifty.

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It just flies in the face of the one like truth that I don't see ever changing, which

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is that if you make the means by which to do something more prevalent, it makes it more

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likely that something will happen.

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If you give people more guns, it makes it more likely that gun violence is going to

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happen.

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That's been true forever.

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That is human reality.

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And to argue the opposite of that goes against something that's fundamental and basic in

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humans and I will never trust any argument otherwise.

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It's just not...

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It's just true.

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You have drawn your line in the sand.

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That's pretty much it.

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All right.

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So Alex has a theory and that is that Obama needs to take the guns now because Alex and

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his patriot buddies are becoming ascendant in the world.

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And he needs to disarm them because they're winning.

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Like Alex is winning.

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Not yet.

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I mean, he will later.

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He's fucking winning now.

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In 2013, he wasn't doing anything.

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That's why Obama needs to take his guns.

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Fair enough.

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They had to get the guns now because they know we're rising and so they're putting everything

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they've got.

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Folks, this is the full enemy.

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This is the battle of the bulge.

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They're launching their Nazi counter offensive because we're kicking their butt.

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That's enough.

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Get that traitor off there.

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Get him off there.

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That's not our president.

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That's a foreign new world order collaborator, Vichy French agent.

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So I mean, this happens a lot throughout time to just be like, this is it kind of mentality.

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But it's very consistent in this time period.

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Like he pulls that out a lot in like, especially we saw it in the 2016 election season.

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I think very consistently afterwards.

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Like he's been very regularly like we are on the precipice all the fucking time.

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But you're seeing a massive ramp up of that, like this is the battle of the bulge.

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It's happening.

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This is the full assault.

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And I don't know.

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That's the clip I want to play for anybody who buys into that Biden bullshit of like,

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no, we should reach across the aisle.

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You know, once we return to normalcy, we'll be able to listen to that clip.

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No one's reaching the aisle to Alex.

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No one is.

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No, no, no.

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That's but that's the that's the microcosm.

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That's the weakest link part that I'm saying.

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They're not listening to you.

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Listen to Obama talk.

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They can't.

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They just can't.

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They'll yell over it and call him a veggie French collaborator.

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Exactly.

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All he's doing is being like, maybe fewer kids should die.

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And they're like, that's because you're a fucking Nazi.

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Like, all right, fucking fine.

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Leave me alone.

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That's the reality of it.

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There's and maybe maybe it'll change.

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But fuck off, Biden.

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Maybe fuck off Biden.

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Well, I think we can agree on that.

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Yeah.

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That corn pop story was pretty good, though.

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I'll say that.

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It was a pretty good story.

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Good story.

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It was a good story.

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That's our political takes of the day.

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So Alex, I've singled out this because I know that it's probably pretty difficult.

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And I don't know if I could actually even convey this in clips.

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Like even if I played you 100 clips, I'm not sure that I could fully express to you the

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ramping up of extremeness that's going on in this April time period.

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Maybe even a little bit into the end of March.

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But it's very specifically happening right here in the time frame that we're talking

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about.

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Yeah.

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It is very easy to hear a clip like the last one we played where they have to take our

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guns because we're rising.

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We're the best.

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Obama is not my president.

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He's a Vichy collaborator.

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You could hear that and be like, it's kind of similar to stuff Alex says a lot.

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And I accept that, but I have to stress, if you listen to these episodes in their entirety,

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you do notice that this is getting much more extreme.

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There is an amplification.

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And Alex is even explicit about the fact that he is getting more extreme.

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He talks about it.

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And in this next clip, one of the things that I think is really important is that Alex ties

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that growing extremeness, I need to come up with another word for it.

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But that growing radical edge that he has on his show with sales, which is one of the

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contentions that the people in the Sandy Hook lawsuits are making, is that he profited off

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of this sort of coverage.

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And if you listen to this next clip, you get some indications that they may have a point.

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Up at Infowarsstore.com, and when you purchase and buy from the Patriots, from the good guys,

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you fund the overall resistance.

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Because make no mistake, you see me charging in 110% here in this fight.

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I'm not playing it safe here, because there's no future if we don't double and triple down.

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He's also said at other times that he is getting more intense.

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He's saying that you gotta pay me, you gotta buy my shit, because that fuels my ability

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to go 110% in this no-holds-barred shit.

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It's interesting to me, because the extremeness that he's presenting, as we discussed on our

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last episode, it doesn't just apply to Sandy Hook issues.

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That's the one area that has led to legal action now.

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But if there were VA doctors or ministers who were harassed by Alex Jones' fans, I could

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see them suing him for what he did at this period just as easily.

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It's a broader behavior that's going on, and it just so happened that maybe it caught on

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with the people who wanted to harass and target Sandy Hook families.

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And I don't see any way to get around the fact that he's tying that ramping up of things

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to the financials of the business.

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That's one thing that I've thought about with the lawsuit, because when we're talking about

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that kind of situation, that's where we get into that correlation-causation issue.

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I don't know how you can prove that specifically the Sandy Hook stuff increased his profits.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I agree.

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Like, it's all included in there.

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Obviously, talking about Sandy Hook did lead to sales in the same way that talking about

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fucking Joshua Haykin has led to sales, you know?

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Sandy Hook was part of a concerted strategy that is taking shape at this time.

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They were one of the victims and one of the targets of this broader thing that's going

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on with his fuck it, we're at the Battle of the Bulge nonsense.

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We're in the middle of this civil war.

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So yeah, I don't know how you sort of differentiate between that.

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Right.

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Other than to take it as a totality, in which case I suppose that means that not only do

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doctors and VA officials who were harassed have standing, but it's morally imperative

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for them to join the whole situation.

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Class action?

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Yeah.

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Well, the problem there is that, from what I understand about the lawsuits, is the only

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reason that this sort of extends the statute of limitations is that Alex re-brought up

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some of these things.

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And so the Sandy Hook people are able to sue him using stuff from beyond the statute of

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limitations to inform things that he said within the statute of limitations.

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Right, right, right.

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I got you.

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And so I suppose that all of that applies to the myriad groups that Alex is working

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with here.

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I would say it's possible that you could make an argument, I mean he complains about the

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glitter bug mainstream globalist churches all the time in the present day.

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Anti-vaxxer bullshit going after doctors and all the like there.

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I don't know specifically VA doctors, but you know.

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As non-legally literate people, I think it would be tough for us to know what constitutes

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that.

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But yeah, I think the more important point is like, you look at this and it's very clear

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that on a level, he is trying to benefit from the behavior that led to the treatment that

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the Sandy Hook people got.

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Absolutely, yes.

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The inspiration for this behavior was profit-based.

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So you know what I'm saying?

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You can make an argument that it is.

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Yeah.

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I don't know, we'll see.

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Only he and internal documents really know.

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Only God forgives.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But despite the fact that it is a more universal behavior that we're talking about, it is also

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still specifically Sandy Hook focused.

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And Alex plays a video of Sandy Hook victims talking about their experience and I'm not

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going to play any of that because, I mean, it's just family members saying this was a

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horrifying event.

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We don't need any disgusting bullshit.

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Here's Alex's response after this video.

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Man, I got to tell you, the way that people talk, they have been totally coached.

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Remember Peter Parker where he's sitting there and he's going, yeah, I'll do a great job.

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Oh, camera's on.

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I'm sorry, sir.

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I didn't send my kid to a victim disarmament zone.

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Stop blaming me for what the federal government did making it a gun-free zone.

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So first of all, Peter Parker is Spider-Man.

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That's what I was about to ask.

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He's talking about Robbie Parker.

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And again, we have this continuation of now it's okay for him to make fun of this grieving

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father as opposed to defending him when a caller calls in and suggests he's an actor.

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Saying these people are coached is right.

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That's the putting your toe into the water of the actor shit.

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He's teasing, he's getting around that.

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Because logically somebody has to be coaching them.

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If they are coached, somebody has to be coaching them.

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Somebody needs to have a reason and so on and so forth.

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And at the same time, what you see is an escalation of this cruelty, this mocking him, making

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it okay to look at these people as not victims.

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Make it look okay for the audience to see them as people worthy of derision, people

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worthy of making fun of them, implying that they're faking emotion.

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Like that is exactly what we're talking about.

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That's exactly the behavior.

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That's the early stages of the exact behavior that we've been looking for this entire time.

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And it's happening right in front of our eyes.

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And when you see the things that seem to be leading to it are Obama talked to them, Steve

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Pachanik's coming around.

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He read a dumb blog that claimed it had a Russian intelligence report by Sorcha Fall.

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It's very sad.

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It's a really shitty super-villain.

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That fucking sucks.

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It's really heartbreaking.

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But one thing you would expect from Alex, like he's an expert, right?

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He studies all the time.

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He knows the globalist's plan backwards, forwards, upside down, all of it.

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So you would expect that he would know exactly what he's talking about.

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He'd remember all of his talking points.

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He'd remember his narratives.

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He knows the books he's read.

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But unfortunately this happens.

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They hate fathers, they hate families, they hate children.

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And that's why I have the White House Science Czar, I'll show it to you later in the next

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segment if you're a TV viewer, radio listener, eco-science, where they said, we're going

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to use diet injections injunctions to dumb you down.

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We're going to put stuff in your water.

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Now they've got hundreds of shots they want to give kids.

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So shots, shots, shots, shots, shots.

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This is a good demonstration of how little Alex cares about his own bullshit.

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He's claiming that John P. Holdren's book Eco-Science discusses diet injections and injunctions

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to control the public.

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And I really honestly think this is a result of him never reading the things he rants about

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reading all the time.

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What he's talking about isn't a reference to Eco-Science, the textbook that John P.

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Holdren wrote.

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That's a line that Alex always misuses from Bertrand Russell in his book The Impact of

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Science on Society.

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We've talked about this a bunch of times.

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Like Alex is just taking that line entirely out of context.

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Russell was talking about the really bad stuff that could come up if, for instance, the Nazis

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had been more scientifically advanced as a dictatorship.

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He's not advocating for these things, but because he's discussing them, Alex has decided

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he's secretly actually saying that the globalists are doing these things, which is fucking stupid.

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And guess what?

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I didn't have to look any of this up to remember it.

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We've been down this road.

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I heard him talk about Eco-Science and diet injections and injunctions like, oh, you mismatched

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references, buddy.

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My big point here is that Alex doesn't even care about getting his fake things right.

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And amazingly, it seems like a bunch of his audience doesn't care either.

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Fuck it, John P. Holdren, Bertrand Russell, who gives a shit?

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It's crazy.

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Yeah.

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If you have like this really revolutionary, world-shaking information that you've uncovered,

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a plan to depopulate the planet and kill off everybody, seems like you'd know what you're

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talking about.

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Keep your ducks in a row.

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Yeah.

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And he doesn't.

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And that seems to me an indication that this isn't real.

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Right.

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Well, I think, I mean, it's easier to get away with that shit because his listeners

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generally are looking for emotional validation.

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They have no interest in the intellectual side of it.

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They just want to understand and have their anger and fear and paranoia mirrored back

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to them in an acceptable way, as opposed to being like, I need to think about what this

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guy's saying.

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No, I just need to get the general vibe of how he's angry.

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That's what I really want.

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I don't need, I'm not going to do a homework for Infowars.

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But you should, because it's an information war.

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Of course you should.

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Of course you should.

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It's literally in the name.

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Yeah, it is.

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So about an hour of this episode is dedicated to Alex doing an interview with Anthrax guitarist

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Dan Spitz and his wife Candy about the evils of vaccination.

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He's not the one, no, the bassist is the one who looks like friend of the show Mike Wylie,

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right?

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That's Scott Ian.

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Scott Ian, that's right.

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Shout out to friend of the show, Mike Wylie.

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Dan Spitz is another guy.

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Oh shit, this is a huge deal.

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I forgot.

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Wylie's album recording is Thursday.

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Yeah, if you're listening.

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Yeah, yeah, sorry about that.

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This is not the time to do Plus.

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Second album.

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Second album.

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Yeah.

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Check it out.

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It's over it with Druffki over at the Two Brothers.

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Yeah, and I'll be opening for him.

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Oh.

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Forgot I'm really bad at plugging.

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Glad Anthrax came up.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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Otherwise I never would have said it.

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Yeah, Thursday.

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Tickets still available.

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Probably.

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Anyway, this is not a good interview.

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It's pointless.

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I don't want to listen to any of it.

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It's just the standard nonsense, but also they are not nearly as extreme as Alex about

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the vaccination evils and the depopulation agenda.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So there's a couple points where he brings up something and then there's just silence

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on the other end of the phone where they're like, I don't know, especially from Candy,

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the wife.

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Also, I don't want to bring this up because I looked into them a little bit and they might,

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they're a mess.

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They might be terrorists.

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Dan Spitz might be a really bad dude and I don't want to get into it.

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Okay, all right.

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Look that up yourself.

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He might be someone that Alex specifically shouldn't be having on his show.

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And we just talked about Josh Haken.

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Yeah, and I'm not saying this dude's a globalist.

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I'm saying there might be other things in his past that Alex, yikes.

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So Alex starts ranting about school shootings.

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And again, this goes back to what I was talking about, about tying the heightening extremism

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with the sales.

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There is a very clear thing that's happening and it wasn't happening before.

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This is kind of new to this April 9th episode.

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He seems to be trying to take the heightened elevated nature of what he's doing and push

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it towards marketing opportunities.

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And from the mass shootings they stage and set up by making them gun-free zones, victim

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disarmament, mass killer zones to teach the kids to crouch over in a good ball so the

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killer can get the maximum number of dead so they can hopefully get our guns next time.

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Well, guess what?

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We're on to you.

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This is Boomerang back on you.

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By the way, I want to announce the Infowars.com, InfowarsHealth.com health challenge.

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I'm challenging listeners to get healthy in the face of the new world order in the month

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of April.

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And let's put Infowars Health up there on screen for folks.

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Again, I'm challenging listeners to go to InfowarsHealth.com and sign up and try the

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great products like Beyond Tangy Tangerine, the Alex pack, the Healthy Start pack, Polymers,

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Polymers Plus.

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That's all like, that's insane.

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That is an absurd kind of juxtaposition of what he's doing.

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Yeah.

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Normally, like the ad pivots are always bad, but to go from like, well, they victim disarmament

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zones and they turn your kids into a ball and then maximum damage and also I'm trying

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to get everybody healthy.

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I'm challenging you.

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I want...

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I'm challenging you to buy our products.

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Also, you know what?

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While we're at it, let's do the ice bucket challenge.

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I will do anything for people to buy more shit, anything, please.

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That's fucking disgusting.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you can see just kind of a clear path here, like a clear connection between these

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ideas.

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Also, you can see that his ad pivots aren't quite there yet.

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No, but they're coming into the modern form.

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We've seen a couple of instances of the, what would you call it?

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The modern Alex pivot, the yelling right into the ad.

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Everybody's gonna die and we're all gonna lose our minds and everything's gonna be lit

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and now we have the Easter sale and it's 50% off.

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You fucked it up.

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He always says briefly.

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Yeah.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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I forgot briefly.

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Like in the more recent days and the more present days, he always pretends like briefly.

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I need to tell you about, I'm writing more, so I'm trying to get control of my adverb

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usage.

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Okay.

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I understand.

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That is wisely for you to do.

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Didn't quite work.

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It's really close though.

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So towards the end of this episode on April 9th, Alex has Mike Adams come in, the health

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ranger.

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Again, I have to remind you, health ranger.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And so they talk about Bitcoin.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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Normal thing for the health ranger to chime in on.

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And I don't think it's really that interesting a conversation and I actually kind of agree

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with them on a number of points, which I'll discuss after this clip because I think that

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this clip is revelatory.

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I think it exposes so much about how Alex Jones thinks.

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So they will try to strangle this in the crib.

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They may even be pumping money into it so that they can then dump it later.

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I mean, if they didn't, look, I think like the enemy.

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If I was the enemy, I'd do that.

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That is so, like, that's so revealing.

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Oh, yeah.

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So Alex has his little interview with Mike Adams about Bitcoin and, you know, this is

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a completely unrelated field to the non-medicine Mike Adams claims to be well versed in.

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Don't know why he's coming in as an expert.

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It's amazing the range Alex's guests have, so long as the subjects are all weird and

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completely speculative.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, their basic point isn't one, like I said, that I'm too interested in or I disagree

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with too much.

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They're basically just saying that Bitcoin may be a good thing and they support decentralized

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currencies, but they're skeptical.

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In the clip there, you can hear Alex speculating that the central banks and the Federal Reserve,

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they're in the pump stage of a pump and dump with Bitcoin.

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Alex let him have his fun with that theory.

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What I think is important is his reason for his theory.

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Quote, I think like the enemy.

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If I was the enemy, I'd do that.

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That's so fucking revealing.

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He has literally no evidence to support his conjecture that the Fed is artificially inflating

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Bitcoin to bring about an eventual crash.

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But he feels like that's the case because he's decided what the enemy is, how they think,

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how they operate, and he's decided that that's what he would do if he was them.

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When you take into account that his enemies are imaginary and all of his primary sources

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don't say what he thinks they do, you really have to consider that Alex comes up with his

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ideas about the globalists and what they're up to through sheer imagination.

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He's imagined a villain, and he just says, what would I do if I were them?

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I really felt like this was what he was doing for a long time, but I've never heard him

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so clearly express that mentality as in that last clip.

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The globalists don't want to depopulate the planet, but Alex would if he were them.

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Exactly.

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The globalists don't plan elaborate false flag shooting hoaxes to take guns away, but

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Alex would if he were them.

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All this shit is Alex projecting.

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Everything is in his head.

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This is all nonsense.

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But we've talked about that a few times in the past of how revealing it is when they

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say what the enemy is doing, because how many times do right-wing people, they're like,

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oh, the Democrats are stealing votes and they're shipping in illegals in order to steal elections

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and all that shit, and we see none of that actually happening on the Democratic side.

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But every voter suppression effort, every attempt to rig an election, just Kris Kobach's

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continued existence, all of that shit, you see, oh, well, they are ascribing it to us

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in order to justify why they do it themselves.

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Because they just want to.

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Right.

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I mean, it's a time-honored tradition of fascists and bullies, like why are you hitting yourself

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kind of stuff.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's pathetic.

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We're all going to die.

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Yep.

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That is probably true.

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So we get to the 10th, and there's not much going on here, because I'll be honest with

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you, about in, oh, let's say two hours of this show is David Knight and Ja'Carri Jackson

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coming in as guests, like to co-host with Alex, because they had been out to a gun control

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rally.

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Okay.

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And there was a guy with a you're going to try and take my guns type sign.

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Sure.

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And Councilman Mike Martinez of Austin got on the mic and said, hey, to that guy who's

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trying to get himself a bunch of attention, there is no gun confiscation going on, but

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once we make some moves, keep that sign, because you're going to need it later.

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That's a good move.

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I like that.

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That was essentially the point.

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He's like, hey, you're protesting the wrong thing, but my hope.

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And Alex, I guess rightfully, is like, he's showing his cards, like, okay, yes, that guy

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is absolutely saying that he is aiming for eventual gun confiscation, but Alex projects

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that into being like, that's what everything is about, just a little bit unearned.

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They try and create a victim out of this guy who's holding the sign.

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They try and say that he wasn't trying to get attention for himself and that he was

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the victim of people poking him.

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I don't know.

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It's a long time they talk about this.

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And Alex targets Mike Martinez in a weird way that I've never heard his fucking name

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before.

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I have no idea who this guy is.

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And Alex is like, he's one of the leaders of this movement.

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Sure, sure.

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Any time there's any attention by the media given to any, even if it's a local news story,

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he's like, oh, well, actually I've known about this guy forever.

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And he is...

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A hundred years.

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He is embedded.

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He's the 73rd...

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He's actually Adam Weishaupt with a mascot.

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What the fuck?

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It's just, it's laborious and getting through it would be no good.

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And David Knight is boring in 2019.

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What do you think he's doing in 2013?

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When he had less chops.

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Well, he was younger, man.

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He had more energy.

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He didn't have that much gray in his beard back then, right?

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I regret to inform you, he did not have more energy.

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Jigari Jackson's fine.

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He's on board with Info Wars shit.

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The only thing good about him is his fucking voice is amazing.

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Jigari's voice?

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His voice is great.

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He has a great radio voice.

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That's fantastic.

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But he's just saying the exact same shit.

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And also fairly boringly.

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He's still a kind of young guy.

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He can handle the nightly news and shit, but being on Alex's show itself, where there's

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clearly way more listeners, both of them seem to be a little bit like, this is the big leagues.

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And that's very weird.

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That is strange, yeah.

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But also, they don't seem to enjoy Alex that much, which I think is kind of a trend of

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his employees.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They don't seem caught into his bullshit, which is how this episode is going to end.

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But it doesn't make for really interesting content.

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The show itself is incredibly boring, and getting through it was fucking tough.

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So much David Knight talking.

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God, I can't believe that.

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How?

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How?

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Can you imagine what David Knight was at, like, 25, and I still see him being the same

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boring-ass, like, monotone shitty talker that he is.

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And I just don't understand anybody...

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He's apparently a big libertarian.

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Sure, but why would you hire that guy to put him on the fucking radio?

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Well, because there's a strategy involved.

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It's trying to penetrate other markets that Alex doesn't really have access to.

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David Knight is really your attempt to get old people.

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Your attempt to get people who don't like how Alex yells all the time.

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You filter your content through David Knight in a boring, calm, uh, well, here's the news.

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Somebody who's like, I want a racist host, but I don't want to hear him yell about it.

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Someone who has the presentation of a milquetoast straight newsman, that kind of thing.

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And then you get Owen Schroyer in the mix because you need somebody who's kind of theoretically

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interesting to the youth for the younger set.

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That's the strategy that's...

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So in this next clip, Alex, we're into the 10th.

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And Alex, just, I mean, as we start up here with the 10th, I just want to give you a little

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bit of a tone of how Alex is feeling.

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This isn't just a republic, ladies and gentlemen.

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This is Sparta, if you want to use the 300 analogy.

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But it's not 300.

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Movie!

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Bingo!

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There's thousands of thousands in every state who are sitting back watching what's happening

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and everything's being confirmed for them and they are locked and they are loaded.

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And I want to tell the Federal Reserve and the New World Order something.

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You are not going to get away with this.

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You may be able to kill Ron Paul or kill Alex Jones and wipe out the leadership.

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And the reason you haven't done that yet is because you know what that'll do.

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That'll energize us 110 percent, OK?

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We're powering up against your revolution against our republic.

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We're energizing.

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We're rising.

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That's why you desperately went for the guns.

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It's why you staged Aurora.

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It's why you staged Sandy Hook.

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It's your goal for Tonkin.

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You think you're going to get away with this just because you've got space planes with

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D.U.

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Sabos, just because you've got cruise missiles?

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All that stuff is worthless against the population.

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So, I mean, we've gotten into now like that unintended consequences shit like that militia

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book about killing the police like, yeah, yeah, tons of these people locked and loaded

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ready.

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It's very threatening.

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It's very threatening.

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Um, so in this next clip, Alex, it continues his beef with Glenn Beck, but love it.

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But the way this lays out, like you got to listen to every every word.

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OK, Mike Dowd, because it's so stupid.

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My wife calls me this morning.

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I'm driving into work about 9 a.m. and she goes, hey, I just turned to Glenn Beck on

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local radio on your local affiliate.

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And he's talking about how they're going to take everybody's guns who's ever been on any

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type of anti-anxiety medication.

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I said, yeah, that's our story from last night.

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So I pulled over and I already knew.

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And I went to Drudge and there was our article on Drudge right now, middle column.

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And I tune in and he's reading it still.

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This is like three minutes later, going back to pieces, not saying it's from info wars

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dot com.

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And you know, here's the deal.

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And I'm not saying it came from Drudge report dot com.

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My issue, maybe I missed it, but it's just it's it's any time I tune in.

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So all the time that Alex tunes in to Glenn Beck, he's covering Alex's stories while at

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the same time saying that Alex is crazy.

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But also, he might have said that again, remember, I didn't I don't know.

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He wasn't listening.

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I don't know.

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He wasn't listening.

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I mean, it could be.

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I'm going to make a claim and then walk it back immediately and say I have no reason

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to assume that Glenn didn't say this.

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I will guarantee to every one of you one hundred percent that Glenn Beck is plagiarizing my

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material and he is not absolutely not one hundred percent not citing this source.

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Now, I don't know that because I haven't listened to the show.

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He may have actually cited that source, but I guarantee you one hundred percent he is

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absolutely he's never citing that source.

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Also he Alex like his whole business model on info wars dot com is like using other people's

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articles.

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It's like he does cite where the article came from.

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That's right.

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He doesn't have permission to repost in whole these articles that came up not too long ago.

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Oh, yeah.

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Maybe a year or two back.

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He was I don't think he got in trouble for it, but it was like a thing like he reposted

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entirely.

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He constantly does that from various news outlets without permission.

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But I don't know.

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I don't care.

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I feel like if Glenn Beck said this and Alex didn't hear it.

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Who cares if he's also covering this story as reported by another outlet and Alex just

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thinks it's him covering info wars.

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I don't care.

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Right.

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If he's ripping off info wars.

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I also don't care.

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Right.

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I'm struggling to find an angle where I do care.

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The only angle is Alex being like he ripped me off.

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I know this.

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Maybe he said it and I didn't hear it.

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That's basically it.

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It's the overconfidence and then the admission of I don't really I don't know what I'm talking

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about.

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So David Knight and Jaqari are in studio for like most of this episode.

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It's boring.

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Sure.

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The only things that I really think are interesting are this clip where Alex asks David Knight

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what he thinks about Sandy Hook.

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OK.

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What does your gut tell you about Sandy Hook and Aurora?

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I think they're false.

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Yeah, I think they're false flags.

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The timing was just too suspicious.

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They did that one week exactly before they were going to have the U.N. vote.

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Well, they should have gotten better actors, too.

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Yeah, it did.

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One of the worst actors I've ever seen.

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Oh, OK.

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What?

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What is this?

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All right.

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What is this, Alex?

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OK.

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What is he saying?

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Which actors?

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Which actors should they have gotten better for?

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Well, Brad Pitt.

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Well, I mean, it's one week.

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It's one week before the U.N. vote.

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So you want an international star, right?

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You know, you've got to have somebody that appeals across.

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Benicio del Toro.

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Oh, for sure.

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He'd be a great school shooting victim.

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Lot of credibility.

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Oh, so good.

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Do you saw him in The Usual Suspects?

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So good.

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Great.

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So good.

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Great.

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I would say this isn't good.

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This is an indication of a bad mindset.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I would agree.

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He asks David Knight what he thinks.

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And David Knight says it was a false flag.

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And then unprompted, Alex says they should have got better actors.

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Now, it is my lot in life and my stake in this whole thing to be overly fair to Alex.

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Yes.

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Because he is unfair to everybody.

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Unreasonably so.

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And so when I hear this, there's two problems with the way he's framing this.

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One, in fairness to him, is the better actors, well, they should have chosen victim family

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members who had better acting skills in order for them to convey the gun control message

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better.

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Yes.

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That could be what he's trying to say.

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I would even give him that.

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If in this time period, if he had clarified immediately, I would even err on the side

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of like, fine.

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That's still not good.

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Not good.

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Then they should have got better actors.

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That one's tough.

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It's hard because again, you could fall back behind.

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Like I've never heard Alex defend his position by saying like, well, there were probably

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victim family members who were better actors and that's what I was trying to say.

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Yeah.

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I've never heard him use that defense.

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If he used it, I'd be like, I don't know if I believe you, but that is an interpretation

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that could be made of this.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But no one listening to his show takes that as the interpretation.

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Absolutely not.

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Absolutely not.

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No, if you're listening to that, you hear him say it's a false flag and it was entirely

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staged.

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They were actors.

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They should have gotten better actors means they were all actors.

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Yes.

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Whether or not that is how he intended it to come out.

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Yeah.

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I think is far less material.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Because we're not trying to nail down necessarily.

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Yeah, we're not suing him.

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No.

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Yeah.

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I think also a court of law isn't necessarily the best place to try and parse the experience

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of listening to his show.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And as someone who's listened to all of this, I can tell you the experience of it is disjointed.

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It's confusing.

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Yeah.

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You have to figure out what point he's exactly trying to make.

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Right.

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And if you were someone who bought into his shit, hearing that would be very clear what

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he's trying to say.

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Yeah.

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Whereas other times there's so much ambiguity, there's the back and forth of whatever.

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The scaling up of the cruelty he's directing towards these people, it's your fault you

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took your kids to school, mocking Robbie Parker in his press conference.

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You could just see the trend going this direction.

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I don't feel any reason to give the benefit of the doubt on what he's expressing there.

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Right.

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And that, yeah, the court of law is the worst part because you can't be like, your honor,

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I submit to you six to 700 hours of Alex Jones content from multiple eras so you can have

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a full context on what exactly this means as opposed to what it is that you may think

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it means in a legal definition.

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There is tone, there's context around the time period, there is bullshit.

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And he'd be like, I'm not going to listen to any of that shit.

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No, no.

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Write it down.

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So Alex, I think is having more fun having Jakari and David in studio than either of

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them are having naturally.

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That's the other thing that I think is the most important.

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Like there's that clip where Alex says they're actors, which is substantively important and

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then spiritually important.

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I think Alex's employees do not like him much.

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I think that's true of any environment Alex is in.

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Alex is having more fun than anyone that has to interact with Alex, which on some level

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we should all be jealous of because he seems to be experiencing life in a way that no one

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around him ever is.

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This is kind of indicative of that vibe.

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This is crazy bullshit.

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And again, please, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go to break, come back into another

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segment with your calls for Sean and Ron and Paul and Alex and everybody with our guest

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host here.

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It's fun having you guys ride shotgun with me.

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Yes.

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It's an interesting day.

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A day long.

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We've seen the end of Kenobi.

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We'll soon see the end of the rebellion.

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I'm going to stop it.

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I get a little dangy, Jakari.

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I know.

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Can you imagine someday Jakari not even knowing you're on the air and not even caring?

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I can see that day coming.

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Yeah.

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I hear the train a coming.

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It's rolling around the bend and I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when I'm stuck

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in Folsom prison.

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What the fuck is going on?

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I don't know.

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The two of them was politely laughing and I guess Alex and he does a fucking Star Wars

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impression and then starts singing Johnny Cash.

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Yep.

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That's that is the most, that is the most like

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So do you think my screenplay good?

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Well it's definitely interesting.

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It is definitely interesting.

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It's sure been a lot of fun having you guys on the show.

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Yeah.

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It's been interesting.

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There's a sense.

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For sure.

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There's a sense that I get and this is completely unfounded and that is that I think the two

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of them, David Knight and Jakari both have some pretense to wanting to do better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they feel like they want to actually do something.

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No it does.

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And Alex is getting in the way of that.

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Absolutely.

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It does feel like they they're trying to build up almost like a reel so they can go to a

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better place.

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I don't know if that's just not happening or just like trying to like have have actual

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like we have cited this, we're actually reporting something even with if it's within the context

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of Infowars narrative propaganda, still like we're doing something respectable.

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And Alex knows where the money is and it's in his goofy bullshit and there's a tension.

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Yeah.

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There's a weird tension that exists there.

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Well that's what I'm saying.

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If you're working at Infowars and you're aspiring to do real journalism, you're not looking

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to retire at Infowars.

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You know what I mean?

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Maybe you think you can change it from within.

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Oh poor bastards.

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God bless everybody who thinks they can change it from within.

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Yeah.

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Good for you.

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I wish I had your level of belief.

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Yeah.

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I really do.

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It was a naivete.

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Oh it's gorgeous.

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You might have heard from Alex's singing there though that they went out to break.

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Yeah.

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So they come back from break and the vibe has not changed.

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You guys were stanky, you really do it Darth Vader.

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Yeah that's pretty good.

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I can probably really do it.

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Don't act so surprised your highness, you weren't on the mercy mission this time.

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Several transmissions were beamed to this ship.

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I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.

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This is a diplomatic ship.

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You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor.

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Take her away.

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Yeah.

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That's actually really not bad.

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That's really not bad.

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Having fun.

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Why not have some fun while these gun grabbing bastards are running all over us?

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Yeah it's not a terrible impression.

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It's really not.

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In terms of his impressions it's not bad.

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I've watched A New Hope 300 times.

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It's really not that bad.

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I've heard Alex do impressions 300 times and that's serviceable.

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Yeah that was twice as good as his burning I would say.

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At least twice as good as his burning.

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Right but we're on a fucking show where he's talking about victims' families, like he's

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mocking them and being like they're actors and he's laying out this bullshit about the

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Josh Hacken nonsense.

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Hacken or Haeken?

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Haeken.

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Haeken, okay.

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This is nonsense man.

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Just existing in the same space is just surreal.

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You guys have some bro down time where you're doing impressions and goofing around.

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The globalists are coming out to murder your children.

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They're going to kill you.

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They're going to take them away.

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They're going to put vaccines in your balls and...

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Now we're going to do a great bit from The Wedding Crashers.

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Anybody seen that movie?

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Vince Vaughn's a globalist but he's still pretty funny.

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He's still pretty funny.

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Have you ever seen Hustlers?

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We have one last clip here and it's Alex Jones doing some quoting but not Thomas Jefferson.

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So I wanted to...

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And it's also pretty extreme.

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The way he ends the April 10th episode is pretty extreme.

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Listen to this.

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Stand your ground, don't fire unless fired upon.

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But if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.

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And that was the militia captain John Parker at Lexington Green on April 19th, 1776.

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This is 1775.

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The point is, I'm going from memory there because I can't see the quote up on Infowars.com.

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We have that page image of the Oathkeeper.

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They were trying to block his sign and there he is and that's why they were so freaked

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out by it.

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You know, stand your ground, don't fire unless fired upon.

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But they're already firing in our water, our vaccines, our food.

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The war has already begun, to quote Patrick Henry.

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It's an infowar.

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They want to make it physical because they're losing this.

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So you should know what year it is that the Lexington shit happened.

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You would think.

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Because you're a Civil War...

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It's kind of a big deal.

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Or I'm sorry, a Revolutionary War historian.

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It is kind of a big deal.

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He's read literally hundreds of books about that.

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So Alex is using that very stirring quote from the Revolutionary War here.

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We know his batting average with the Jefferson quotes is terrible, but what about his other

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quotes from the early days of this country?

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How does he fare with those?

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Well, if I recall in Endgame, he was Ofer.

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A lot of those were Jefferson though.

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A lot of them were Jefferson, but he was still an Ofer.

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Yes.

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So he did not succeed in landing any quotations that he made.

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So the line here is, quote, stand your ground, don't fire unless fired upon.

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But if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.

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It's attributed to Minutemen Commander John Parker.

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These words, spoken on April 19, 1775, are chiseled into the Minutemen monument at Lexington.

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So there's every reason for Alex to believe it's a real quote.

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So they're kind of a big deal.

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But probably this quote isn't real.

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There's no actual solid historical basis for the quote, which is to say that no reliable

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source who was there put it down into writing until a lot later.

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The quote was spread initially by Parker's grandson Theodore, who was not present at

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the time of being said.

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Yeah, probably not.

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So anything coming from him is secondhand to begin with.

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And as it was his grandfather, he might be trying to mythologize his family as being

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like these heroic figures within the revolution.

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Did John Parker survive?

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No.

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Well, I mean, he died of like dysentery or something like that.

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Sure.

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Well, I mean, everybody in war dies of dysentery.

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In the middle of the Revolutionary War, he died of some condition.

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So the grandson wouldn't even know his grandfather, period, like having been alive.

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No, I think he would have been alive.

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He was alive during his life.

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Right.

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But he wouldn't have been...

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It's not like he was 15 or something like that.

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No, he wasn't.

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I think from what I understand, he was alive but not present in 1775.

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Cool.

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So yeah, like I said, he's not present.

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But in 1822, at a reenactment of the Battle of Lexington, Theodore claimed that Minuteman

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Sergeant William Monroe had told him back when he was a kid of his grandfather's great

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quote, but weirdly seems to have not told anyone else.

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Then some 40 years later, Theodore is remembered it and it becomes a part of American lore.

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Of course.

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There are contemporary accounts of John Parker's actions that day from people who were there.

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And they don't really square with this quote.

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Who presumably would have heard that dope quote and been like, better write that shit

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down for posterity.

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Sure.

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There was a man named Ebenezer Monroe who said, quote, Captain Parker ordered his men

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to stand their ground and not molest the regulars unless they meddled with us.

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Yeah, he was later visited by three Civil War ghosts.

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And his account almost identically matches Paul Revere's account of that day.

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You can see similarities and differences here.

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The similarities are the sentiment like, don't fuck with those people unless it's in self-defense.

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But the differences are all the credible accounts don't include the part that's saying if they

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want war, we'll have one.

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The bravado is gone, the veneer of masculinity and heroic restraint reaching its last nerve.

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Those differences are the only thing that Alex is interested in about this quote.

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And odds are they're total bullshit made up by a kid trying to glorify his grandfather.

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So it looks like once again, Alex is firmly on the side of lore over history here.

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And he doesn't really believe anything about the founding of the country unless it matches

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up with whatever he's feeling at the time or whatever he wants to push.

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But Alex used two quotes in that stretch.

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You might have recognized at the end there, he used a Patrick Henry quote.

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Yes.

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The war has already begun.

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Yeah.

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Now Alex is close enough on that for me to give it to him.

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The quote is actually, quote, the war is actually begun.

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But Alex's take on it is probably a very accurate assessment of the point Patrick Henry was

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trying to make in his March 23rd, 1975 speech to the second Virginia convention.

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Honestly, that speech would be a great thing for Alex to actually quote.

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It really closely matches a ton of the vibe he's been throwing out lately.

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But I think there's a problem with him actually quoting the speech instead of paraphrasing

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it.

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And that is that Patrick Henry is legitimately calling for war, not an info war.

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In fact, Patrick Henry's speech is very opposed to an info war.

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Quote, and what have we to oppose them?

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Shall we try argument?

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Sir, we've been trying that for the last 10 years.

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Have we anything new to offer upon the subject?

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Nothing.

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We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable, but it has all been

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in vain.

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Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication?

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What terms shall we find which we have not already exhausted?

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Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves any longer.

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Anyway, that's a real quote.

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But also, based on the speech that it comes from, that Alex is paraphrasing here, if Alex

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believed that war had truly already started, Patrick Henry would think he's a coward and

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helping the enemy with his info war bullshit.

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100%.

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So Alex can't really engage with the speech that came from.

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No, I wouldn't want to do that.

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It's crazy.

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Yeah.

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All of his shit, even the things that he accurately sort of spiritually cites would be like, what

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the fuck are you doing with your info war?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If you believe the civil war has already started, Patrick Henry would hate you.

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He would think that you're a red coat.

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Absolutely.

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Or at least someone who's collaborating through their inaction.

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Or even just a weak-willed, callow piece of shit.

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So I don't know, we come to the end of this and I don't know, it's just like trains coming

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at each other.

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We keep using that metaphor, but it's just foreboding.

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There's just a sense of like, listening to this April, the beginning of April, like,

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I mean, part of it is knowing the Boston bombing is coming, like that is definitely a part

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of this.

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But even not knowing that, there's still like, you just see these elements that are intersecting

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and you see, like, there has to be something going on that's not on the show.

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Like the way that Alex's rhetoric is escalating so severely, the way his tactics are kind

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of shifting towards directly targeting these folks, like there is something going on that

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is unclear.

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Yeah.

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But you can tell from listening to it, if you're listening critically, and I don't know

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what it is, but it is, I texted you yesterday, I think it was yesterday, there's a big fog

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coming off the lake.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Storms coming in.

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It feels like that.

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It feels like that.

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It feels like looking at Lake Michigan and just seeing a huge, ridiculous fog.

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You know what?

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Every time you have used that trade metaphor, I've had that.

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Did you ever see the Addams Family values, the sequel to the Addams Family, starring

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Raul Julia being fucking amazing with Angelica Houston?

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Talk about M. Bison?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Did you know that he was dying during that movie?

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It's a whole thing.

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But there's that moment where he's down in the basement and he's playing with his trains

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and the entire Addams Family is up and they're all listening intently and they're going,

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oh no, it's running around Dead Man's Curve.

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Oh no, it's hitting this thing.

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Like they all know that this is going to result in this massive, destructive act.

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He knows it, they know it, everybody's involved in watching this happen and it's still so

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inevitable.

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You know, everybody, anybody, anybody included could have stopped it at any point in time.

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I don't like that this is how you framed the, you know, putting the Addams Family values

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on it.

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No, no, no.

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That's what I think of.

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But it's very accurate.

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It is just like, this is happening, you see it.

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Everybody knows what's going to happen.

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Everybody knows.

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It's inevitable and yet anyone could stop it.

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It's weird to consider the idea that people were listening to this and maybe didn't pick

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up on these things.

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People were on board fully as this was happening.

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It's like the trends are like really clear.

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Like I've listened to all of these episodes and I can feel the intensity rising.

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Like I can feel these things in his rhetoric and the way he's laying out these episodes,

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the stories he's choosing to cover, the way he's covering them.

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It's coming into like a bottleneck and it's weird to imagine someone just like who loves

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Alex experiencing this as truth, like as a real reporting or something.

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It's weird to think about what kind of a ride you would be taken on.

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It'd be hard to figure out exactly what this guy you look up to is actually saying a lot

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of times.

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For sure.

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That's terrifying.

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Not to go too overboard in complimentary behavior, but obviously we cannot listen to all of these

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episodes in full because none of us want to and it's a horrific nightmare.

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So the only evidence that most people listening to this show have that this rhetoric is rising

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and this behavior is so much more troubling as we go through this is what you tell us.

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But also you really have presented it to the point where I feel it.

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I really do feel like even though I haven't listened to this shit, I really do feel like

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I can hear it.

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Well, thank you.

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That's why his rhetoric is rising.

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And if anybody has any reservations about this, go listen to it.

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There's a lot of time you could put in to listen to this and then we could have a conversation

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about your different interpretation and that's fine.

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I welcome that conversation.

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But this is troubling and we're getting days away from the Boston bombing at this point.

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I don't even want to know what, honestly, I don't want to know what he's going to do.

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Well, I know that Richard Belzer is involved.

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Also, hey, do you know what's crazy?

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I was if we're going to talk about the bells, let's bring in the story of what's the name,

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John Parker's grandson and telling that whole quote and everything that is 100 percent Christopher

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Walken in Pulp Fiction, like showing up to him as a kid and being like your grandfather,

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you know, that whole thing.

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So and Christopher Walken and the Bells were both on Infowars.

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It's a big circle.

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It's a big full circle indeed to find out more about that in the future.

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And we will see you all on Friday.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledge fight dot com.

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Just to jump in real quick again.

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This is coming out on Wednesday.

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Yeah.

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Tomorrow night, Thursday night at Two Brothers Roundhouse at eight p.m.

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Mike Wiley will be recording his second album.

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I'll be opening for him.

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Come out.

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Mike Wiley is fucking fantastic.

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One of my favorite comics.

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King of the puns.

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King of the one liner.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Anyways, we do have a website, but we are also on Twitter.

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Right.

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We are.

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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight.

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Matt, go to bed.

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Jordan was on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook and we are also on iTunes.

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If you would like to listen to the podcast, also, you can find Mike Wiley's first album.

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You can't buy his first album, but do you know what the best place to find Mike Wiley's

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first album?

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Oh, boy.

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Here we go.

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Jesus.

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Now you're dreading my bits.

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Well, why?

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How could I not have a sense of dread?

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I know a disembodied hand is coming.

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It's horrible.

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Well, it's like The Thing from Adam's Family Value.

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Oh, boy.

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Go ahead.

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Anyways, you can also go to Spotify.

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Oh, that's it?

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Yep.

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No disembodied hands this time.

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Nope.

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Just Spotify.

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Suspicious.

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For both our show and his album.

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It is true.

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Yep.

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All right, guys.

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Until next time, I'm Leo.

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I'm Leo.

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I am DZX Clark.

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I am the Jesus Lizard.

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Andy in Kansas.

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Thanks for being here.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.