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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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What is the weirdest candy you have ever had?

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I know you appreciate candies from across the world.

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And you have received many different treats.

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You know what?

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From many different places.

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Terrible candies do not stick out in my mind.

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I erase them, I pretend they never exist.

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Yes, yes.

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So whenever I get like-

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That's a good way of viewing them.

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I don't want to deal with it.

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Right, of course.

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The worst one that sticks out, obviously, is those weird orange and black wrapper taffies that you would get on Halloween.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Those ones that are like sort of weird peanut something or other.

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Disgusting, terrible.

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Yeah, they're awful, yeah.

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But the ones that stick out the most for me are the positives.

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And so those are the Wonka Bar.

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I think the Wonka Bar is one of the best.

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Yeah.

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It's fantastic, got the graham crackers in there.

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Yeah, no, it's a-

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Good texture, great chocolate, fantastic work, Willy.

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And then the other one is the honeycomb ones.

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The honeycomb ones?

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Yeah.

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Not sure what you're talking about.

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Crunch Bar, I think is the name of it.

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No, Crunch is the Nestle Crunch.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Crunchy, maybe?

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I don't know.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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It's like a honeycomb and then just chocolate on it.

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It's so good.

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I do not think I've ever heard of that, nor absolutely never had it.

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I believe I ran into it initially when like my dad would go to conferences.

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Like the Society of Biblical Literature would have conferences in various countries.

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They would have honeycomb-based treats there.

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Well, I mean, you'd go to different countries and always bring back candies.

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And I think I encountered one of these honeycomb candies from some foreign market.

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That's what we were all looking for.

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We were looking for your foreign candies, Dan.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I love that.

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I like an arrow.

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The sort of aerated chocolate has a really nice texture to it.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Those are pretty good.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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I know that you're doing this as a transition because you have just returned from your trip to South Africa.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And you have brought back with you what looks like probably the most disgusting thing ever.

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It is amazing.

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It is a jelly tots candy bar.

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Jelly tots.

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And here's the description of it.

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Oh, boy.

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White chocolate with original jelly tots.

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Original.

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Original jelly tots.

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All right, I'm going to give this a shot.

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So this is basically gummy bears inside a white chocolate coating.

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I have no idea how it's going to go.

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Dan, your first bite.

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A little chewy.

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Good opening review?

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If I can...

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Okay, the jelly tots have a very unappealing texture.

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That's not a surprise.

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First review, too much white chocolate.

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Not enough jelly tot.

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If you're going to make a white chocolate thing, I think it's, you know,

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you're behooved to make it a little bit less white chocolate as a very overpowering flavor.

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I don't know.

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I'm not into it.

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How about that?

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That's my review.

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Hmm.

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It's not as bad as I thought it was going to be based on the jelly thing and white chocolate

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combination.

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Oh, you look like you're going to spit this out.

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I can't chew it.

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Yeah, it's a bad texture.

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That's what I was saying.

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Oh, boy, that's difficult.

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It's like if you were eating white chocolate and then a raisin attacked you.

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It's not a treat.

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No, no, it is a fight.

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But I imagine your trip was welcome back.

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I hope you had a great time over there and you didn't think too much about the song

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Africa by Toto.

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Again, I only thought of it one time and that was because of your text.

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I had successfully expunged all remembrance of Toto's Africa until you texted me on Wednesday.

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Yeah, we were texting.

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Son of a bitch.

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And I told you multiple times, whatever you do, don't...

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Yeah, of course.

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Hoping that you would be out enjoying, oh, there's a rhinoceros.

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Hey, hey, while you're in the shower, don't worry.

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I'm not reading your diary.

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Wait, are you?

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What?

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Yeah.

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No, it was an incredible trip.

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We were actually in the...

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We weren't staying in a city or anything.

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We were actually staying in a game preserve.

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Ooh, even better.

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Which was truly, truly incredible.

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But even that was tainted because we went out on a drive guided by one of the park rangers

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at night and as we're cresting and on the way back to the camp, he literally turns around

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and he's like, you know, we're not really being taken care of here anymore.

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I've been here for 23 years and they're going to make me retire and there's no replacement for me.

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Ooh.

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And so he's going on on this whole thing and I'm once again...

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You're like, I'm going to step in.

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I mean, it's awful.

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It's really awful.

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Unlike so many places where, you know, Bolsonaro's selling off the Amazon rainforest to loggers

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and shit like that.

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But the South African government is just starving this place of fun.

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So I assume it'll go out of business and then they'll be able to sell off all of the fucking land.

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It's nightmarish.

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That sounds like a great vacation you're describing so far.

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Exactly.

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It was incredible.

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No.

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Did see a lot of great wildlife out there.

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Oh yeah.

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I was unexpectedly 25 feet away from an elephant.

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You usually like encounters with elephants to be expected.

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You should absolutely like those to be expected.

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It's tough to prepare for a startling elephant.

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It was not good.

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It was not good.

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We couldn't see it and it was 25 feet off the main road.

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And then later on the next day we heard that the elephant had figured out that nobody was in the camp

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eating all of the food there.

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So the elephant started going into the camp during the middle of the day.

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Elephants are sneaky.

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It was right by the swimming pool on the last day.

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Wow.

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It was 25 feet away from the swimming pool.

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I'm just picturing like this elephant tiptoeing.

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Yeah.

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It's bananas.

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Grabbing a sandwich with its big old nose.

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Pretty much.

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Well I'm glad you had a great time.

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Yeah.

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And welcome back.

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Thank you to everybody who has been clamoring for us to get back to work.

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Yeah.

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Thanks.

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I'd also like to say an apology and a thank you to our friend, friend of the show, Matt

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Druffke, who came in.

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We recorded an episode on Monday, or to put out for Monday.

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And I had some tech difficulties in terms of editing it and getting it out.

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And hopefully we'll be able to release it at some point down the line.

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But in order to keep moving forward with the process of releasing episodes and keeping

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up with the show, it's very difficult to add that to the moving forward workload.

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But I do hope that we'll be able to do that.

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And I apologize for the inconvenience and not having an episode on Monday.

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And thank Matt Druffke for being so kind as to come over.

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It was a delightful time.

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Yeah.

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That sucks.

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I was looking forward to listening to that.

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Many were.

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Many were.

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But being up until 4 a.m. with a glitchy computer kind of makes it impossible to get it out

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on Monday.

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It's very difficult.

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I shouldn't complain.

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Yes, you should.

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Okay.

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So, Jordan, today we are back.

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We're back in business and we'll be going over the August 16th, 2019 episode of the

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Alex Jones show.

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As you may know, Alex Jones went on vacation at the same time you went on vacation.

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Yeah.

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That was strange.

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Your vacation was announced.

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That was strange.

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We mentioned it ahead of time.

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That was very strange.

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Alex's was not.

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That is very strange.

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So he was gone with his family on vacation for all of last week and returned on Friday.

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In the meantime, he had been putting in little video reports and popping in while other people

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were hosting the show and he'd ride shotgun with them, as he is known to say.

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But he didn't do a lot of his own show until Friday when he was actually back in studio.

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Okay.

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And so we'll be picking up the thread there and it'll be interesting.

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I don't think it's anything like what anybody would have expected the show to be.

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Which is now what we should expect the show to be.

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Like the unexpected.

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Exactly.

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There are some very, very weird things that Alex says in this episode, and I'm excited

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to break down these things with you.

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But before we get to that, we've got to give a shout out to some people who have signed

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up and are supporting the show.

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Hey.

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So first, this guy, what a great name, Daniel.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Daniel.

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Thanks, Daniel.

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Next, Laura.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Laura.

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Next, Eric with a K. Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Eric.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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Okay.

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Next, Deadeye Nick.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Deadeye Nick.

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It's a nice name.

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A little bit of an aggressive moniker.

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Well, you remember that band, Deadeye Dick?

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They did that-

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No, I do not.

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They did that-

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No, I don't.

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I can confidently say-

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Don't like the meat, but you sure like the bone.

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I'm really fond of that.

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You don't remember that song?

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Of course not.

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I can't remember what the name of that song was.

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It was a terrible song.

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Much like you and terrible foreign candies, terrible foreign 90s bands.

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I have no issue.

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Just wash it off.

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So before we go any further, let's give a shout out to some people who are donated on

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an elevated level.

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We appreciate it very much.

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So David, thank you so much.

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Lottie, thank you so much.

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And a very special thank you to Ddubs.

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Thank you so much.

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You are all now wonderful technocrats.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why are you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you, David.

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Thank you, Lottie.

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And thank you, Ddubs.

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Yes, thank you, all three of you.

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If you out there are enjoying the show and you'd like to support what we do, you can

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do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the

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show.

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We would appreciate it.

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It would be very nice.

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And so, Jordan, like I said, August 16th, a lot of people are probably clamoring to

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find out what Alex's take on the death of Jeffrey Epstein is.

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And I knew going in that it was probably he's not going to have a good take on it.

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Oh, yeah?

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And I listened to a bit of his stuff from The Week, and it's exactly what you'd expect

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it to be.

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He urged restraint on everybody.

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He said that this rampant speculation about some sort of conspiratorial murder doesn't

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actually make any sense.

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And it's reasonable to assume that this suicide actually isn't even going to really affect

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the outcome overall of anything, except we don't get to see him tarred and feathered

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and walk through the streets.

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That's not his approach to it.

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That's not?

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No.

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His take on it was that a number of documents had been released before his death, Jeffrey

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Epstein's death.

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And these documents exonerated Trump of any kind of involvement with him.

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Boy, that doesn't sound right.

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And therefore, Jeffrey Epstein was no longer useful to the cabal.

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Okay.

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And so they killed him.

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All right.

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That's basically Alex's position on this.

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All right.

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It's a situation where I don't have the patience to get into it, quite frankly.

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And it's a very not large part of when he comes back to studio on the 16th, it is a

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minor thing for him.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's not particularly compelling to me, his take on it.

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And I honestly don't think there's a ton of value in us going over it, which is why I'm

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not going to go over his little guest appearances on his own show while he was on vacation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think getting into the weeds on it is kind of stupid and kind of, I don't know, a waste

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of time.

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If he's not drunk, he has to be in studio.

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Those are our rules.

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Right?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And if he gets back around to it and there's more information that can actually be looked

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into down the road, I'm willing to re-explore this topic.

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But for now, the episode we're covering is the 16th and it's barely an issue for Alex

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on the 16th.

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Good.

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It should be if it's a big deal to him.

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Yeah.

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But it's not.

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Jangling keys.

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Don't look over.

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If you look at Epstein too long, you might notice there's a connection to Trump.

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And the less you talk about Epstein, the less you talk about Trump being connected to Epstein.

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Jangling keys, jangling keys, jangling keys.

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It's weird.

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So he starts the day by complaining about how no one does journalism anymore, which

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is rich.

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Yeah.

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A little bit.

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In fact, there's so much big news happening.

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Back when the New York Times still did some journalism and the Washington Post still did

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some journalism, a journalist would spend a month working on one of the things we work

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on.

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So we got to move fast.

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And it means we make mistakes sometimes.

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But we've proven that nine times out of 10, we're dead on.

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And here's the difference.

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We're trying to tell the truth.

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We're not trying to deceive like a lot of the corporate media out there.

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Norm Pattis joins us at the bottom of the hour.

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Oh, good.

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Oh, great.

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I fucking love that.

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Just insulting the media.

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And then my lawyer is going to be a guest on my show again, coming up.

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Holy shit.

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We try and tell all the truth.

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And I'm going to say that this guy I'm paying to defend me in court is going to give his

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opinions probably on my court case.

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The guy who has a monetary interest in backing up literally everything I say.

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Yep.

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That's fun.

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Yep.

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He's going to explain to us at the same time, literally saying why you shouldn't do what

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we are doing.

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Yeah.

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Like, and sure, we get things wrong all the time because we work too fast.

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Like when the journalism used to happen, people used to spend their time on stuff.

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Oh, man.

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That is really what he's saying is that like, look, normal places would spend a long time

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on this.

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We don't really care.

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Yeah.

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So we're just going to speed through a lot of this shit.

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We could do a good job, but we won't.

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Because he's not really saying that they do a month's worth of work in a day or whatever.

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No.

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He's just saying we breeze through this shit.

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He's saying we don't work that hard or that long.

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So Norm is coming in and it's actually not really to talk about Alex's case.

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It's about another case that Norm might be representing.

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Okay.

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And it's bad.

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Here we go.

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It's bad.

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Here we go.

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He was actually contacted by the ICE officer this morning and he may end up representing

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him.

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Because he's seen the videos of what happened in Rhode Island, the supposed ICE officer

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running a crowd over.

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No, he pulls up around the corner, doesn't see him, stops.

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They get around him and he just simply bumps them at a quarter mile an hour putting his

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car in gear.

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They're calling it murder.

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They're looking to charge him in Rhode Island, he's been told.

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So exclusive info on that will play the video.

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And they just start celebrating.

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They go, oh, the truck ICE murdered us.

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And they go, I mean, attempted murder.

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So just the foaming at the mouth.

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Foaming at the mouth.

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Okay.

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Can you fucking imagine how freaking screaming Alex would be if a truck almost ran over a

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Second Amendment protester?

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Can you fucking imagine?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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We're not doing that.

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We're not putting his bullshit in context.

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No, I mean, it's insane.

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The idea that Alex Jones, champion of freedom, champion against tyranny, would side with

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a state employee in any way driving a car through a line of protesters who are expressing

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their First Amendment right to free speech, free congregation, free airing of grievances.

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This is crazy.

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This is tyranny shit.

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If at Charlottesville one of the cops had accidentally moved the rear view window out

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and accidentally touched one of the Second Amendment people, everybody would have exploded.

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Alex would have lost his shit.

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That gives you free reign to shoot on cops.

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Yeah, exactly.

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If they hit you with their rear view mirror while adjusting it.

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I mean, it's just so indicative of this slide that he's on.

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It pretends bad things for the future and the present.

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No.

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And that his lawyer is going to, I mean, that ICE agent, as much of a piece of shit as it

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appears he may be, he still deserves a day in court, still deserves a lawyer.

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It's not wrong for Norm to represent him.

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It's kind of wrong for him to, whether or not he's representing him, come on Alex's

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show and say, this guy is great.

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Incredibly unethical.

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Absolutely.

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What is he, Rudy Giuliani?

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What are we doing?

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The only real reason that I think he can have any kind of wiggle room is that he hasn't

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officially taken on the case according to Alex and Norm's presentation of it.

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So it's still sort of a Schrodinger's lawyer situation.

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Yeah.

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I'd be interested to know if he even, if he was qualified to both work criminal defense

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and civil issues, right?

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I think he is.

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Because he's representing that guy who may or may not have murdered his wife.

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Fair.

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Like he does do some criminal cases as well.

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Probably for the good guys always.

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Always.

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Always.

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Not that everybody's a bad guy if they're in there.

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You know what?

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Don't ever talk to the cops, kids.

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That's all I'm trying to say.

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Again, this is an indication that I might have been a little bit too quick with my judgment

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that Norm isn't a piece of shit.

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Just because he tried to calm Alex down when he was screaming, that doesn't mean that he

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has good sense.

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No.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Jordan, we get into what I would describe as the main theme of

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this episode, this August 16th episode.

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And it's not really what you might expect it to be.

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It's not about any major world news really.

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It's about Vivaldi's The Rites of Spring.

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I would be interested in hearing Alex's take on that.

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Yeah.

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It is not.

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OK.

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It is actually one of the weirdest defending Trump positions I've ever heard Alex make.

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The American people are saying to the propaganda, well, the latest laughing stock, ladies and

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gentlemen, is that Trump wants to purchase or look into purchasing the biggest island

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in the world with an estimated $10 trillion of oil and gas on it.

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Oh, you'd never want to buy that for a few billion bucks.

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Greenland, its population is only a few hundred thousand max.

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Almost no one lives there.

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The Inuit population started moving there in the last eight hundred years.

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That's the Eskimo folks from North America.

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If you're a TV viewer, you can see Greenland there on the screen.

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Why Danish politicians scoff at Trump's reported wish to buy Greenland.

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It must be April Fool's Day.

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But you see, Greenland is autonomous.

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Yes, the Vikings had some small settlements there where it's autonomous.

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What is this?

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The people of Greenland could vote like Texas voted to become part of the union and what

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come the 50 first state, you know, Alaska, that other terrible, horrible purchase.

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What the fuck?

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Here we go.

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OK.

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What the fuck?

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I've not heard this angle.

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I'm happy.

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I like this.

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Almost this whole episode is him trying to rationalize Trump wanting to buy Greenland.

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You know what?

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I'm fine with that.

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Yeah.

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Let's let's live in wacky world.

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I'm good.

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I'm golden.

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So there's a couple of things here and what Alex is saying that are completely batshit

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insane.

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Oh, are they?

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The first is that Alex is OK with the idea of a president suggesting that they might

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want to buy another country.

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That is completely insane.

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Can you imagine if Bill Clinton or Obama or even George W. Bush had suggested, hey, maybe

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it would be a good idea for us to buy Ireland?

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Do you think Alex would be like, hey, that's a good idea.

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They have a lot of natural resources there we could take.

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Hey, EU, EU, what do I got to do to get Portugal?

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What do I got to pay you to get to you?

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Come on.

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Second, the population isn't in the hundreds of thousands.

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It's actually closer to 56000.

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Greenland is very sparsely populated because a lot of the land in the country is uninhabitable,

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partially because the Greenland ice sheet covers approximately 81 percent of the island.

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So it's a good investment to get it now.

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Alex might make that point later.

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Approximately 40 percent of Greenland is protected land.

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The Northeast Greenland National Park, which is the largest national park in the world.

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And the area around the coasts are the only place that they can have permanent human residencies.

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It's outside of the coverage of the ice sheet.

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And that explains why there's such a low population is because you can only really inhabit the

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coast.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And remember that just because there's a small number of total people there, it doesn't make

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their connection to the land any less legitimate or any less of a factor when considering whether

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or not the place should be just strip mined for resources.

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Dan, I'm pretty sure we've read the history books on colonialism and it works out great.

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Appealing to a low number of people affected by this sort of decision is really no different

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than just saying that their feelings don't matter or that it's for their own good.

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It's all the other justifications for colonialism that have existed over history.

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About 90 percent of the population of Greenland are Inuit people.

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While the island is technically part of the kingdom of Denmark, they have their own parliamentary

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government and there have been moves made towards complete independence from Denmark

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for years, but they aren't autonomous in the way that Alex is suggesting.

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And I would bet just about everything that I own that if it were put to a vote, the people

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of Greenland would not be in favor of jumping from Denmark to the United States for enrichment

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of the United States.

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Boy.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to go with that one would win by a Stalin-esque 97 percent.

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Also, what the fuck does he think he's saying by trying to minimize the Inuit population

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by saying they moved there 800 years ago?

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They only moved there 800 years ago.

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That's over three times the period that the U.S. has been around.

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No, no, no.

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Stop it.

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Don't even put that into anyone's brains.

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Don't you even put that.

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We have a right to this land, Dan.

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We've been here for 300 years and they don't have any rights to their land.

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They've only been there 800 years.

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We've only been here for a fraction of the time that the Inuit have been in Greenland.

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Yeah, Alex won't stop screaming every day about how immigrants are coming and it's a

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threat to his culture.

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Does he not think that a full-scale strip mining operation in Greenland wouldn't bring

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in masses of immigrants?

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Does he not care about how drastically something like that might change the culture in Greenland?

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I'm sure he doesn't care at all.

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Okay.

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Because when you get really down to it, I need to make this point.

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It's hard to hear what Alex is saying and not think that he's advocating for a return

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to colonialism.

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Absolutely.

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He's completely counter to pretty much every single thing he's built his career on or pretended

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to.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if he...

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So based on what he was saying there, he thinks that if we somehow just buy Greenland from

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Greenlandians is what he thinks.

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So they'll just take a parliamentary vote on whether to sell.

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So it's like a housing administration all getting together and being like, well, we'll

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get this condo.

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I don't know how housing administrations work, but yes, I would assume that's what he's picturing

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in his head.

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Right.

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Then we own Greenland and then Greenland citizens will then be allowed to vote again on whether

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or not to become the 51st state as though that is in their control.

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Yes, I assume so.

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But along the way...

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Does he know what Puerto Rico is?

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I don't know if he does or Guam or...

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Yeah.

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Any number of the American territories.

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We're going to learn a lot about not those ones specifically, but the examples Alex uses

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because he uses some really bad examples to try and make this argument.

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Because when you really get down to it, what his argument is, because he even appealed

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to it a little bit there by bringing up Alaska, like the idea that we're going to buy a bunch

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of land.

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Right.

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Seward's Folly and the whole thing.

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Exactly.

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And that was a great investment.

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Yeah.

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It turns out great.

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So let's talk a little bit about this purchase of Alaska.

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When the United States purchased Alaska in 1867, they didn't put it to a vote of the

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people in Alaska.

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Alaska wasn't an autonomous state that just wanted to join the Union.

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It was a piece of the Russian Empire, and we bought it from them, at least partially

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because they didn't want it anymore, since it was way too hard to defend from their position.

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So even if great natural resources were discovered, it was so vulnerable to capture that it wasn't

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worth the effort it would take to protect it.

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Plus, they'd completely wiped out the otter populations they were killing for fur, so

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maintaining colonies there just wasn't profitable for them in any way.

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We paid the Russian Empire, and then without any consent of the people who lived in Alaska,

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it was then part of the United States.

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Even when the Russian Empire arrived in Alaska, there were approximately 100,000 native peoples

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living there who had no say in what happened and their own futures.

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Though the U.S. bought Alaska, the native peoples there were not allowed citizenship

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until 1924, meaning that they had no right to vote, and at the time they had no ability

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to formally own property or even file claims to mineral deposits.

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Now let me ask you a question, Dan.

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Would that count as something along the lines of being taxed without being represented?

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It does, yeah.

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It's a second-class citizenship, for sure.

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Yeah, it sure does seem like that, and that's what America is based on, right?

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We're against it.

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Oh, that doesn't sound right.

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The Bureau of Indian Affairs destabilized native life and made efforts to do away with

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the indigenous cultures and the peoples whose land the United States bought from someone

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else without a single concern for the natives of Alaska's input.

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We the people, in order to form a more, anyways.

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The U.S. didn't even make Alaska a state until 1959, and some progress had been made in terms

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of ceding land back to native populations, but absolutely it was not a primary concern

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when we bought Alaska.

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My point here is that Alex Jones is a fucking monster.

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If he were alive in Belgium in the late 1800s, I have zero doubt that he would have been

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going around yelling at everybody about how, it was a great idea what King Leopold wants

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to do in the Congo.

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Like, it's insane.

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What he's saying is crazy.

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It's manifest destiny.

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It is.

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It really is.

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Well, I mean, it's a little bit tapered because he has this fucking nonsensical idea about

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paying people.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Which is still, like, if you put it in a slightly different context, he would scream that they're

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just being bribed.

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You know?

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Like, it's ludicrous.

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Well, I mean, if they were in a different context and it served as a narrative in a

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different way, he'd say we were trying to steal the land from Denmark.

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Right.

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Which he gets into in this next clip.

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Okay, of course.

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Well, we're going to go ahead and break down all these other stupid, horrible purchases

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for TV and radio viewers right now because it is autonomous.

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We could pay each person $15, $20 million and buy it and have a multi-thousand percent

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increase in profit and all the resources, the tourism, the development, which everything

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is going to be in the Arctic in the future.

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Oh, is it?

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So the first thing first there, if, you know, if climate change isn't real, then it's not

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real.

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Don't worry about it.

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No, don't.

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No, no, no.

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He didn't give up anything.

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He tipped his hand a little.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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So first, I love the idea that he's like, okay, we're going to get into these fucking

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purchases because Alex can never use specifics correctly and that's great.

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He's going to get his ass kicked.

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It's going to be very bad for him.

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Now, beyond that, his plan to pay off the people of Greenland is fucking stupid.

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He's suggesting that the US government should pay each person in Greenland $15 to $20 million

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and then still turn a gigantic profit and that's fucking deranged.

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I'm going to leave aside the fact that he thinks that the population is in the hundreds

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of thousands and I'm going to use his lowball number of $15 million per person.

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If we gave that amount to each person in Greenland, that would be $840 billion.

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That is an insane amount of money.

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Someone advocating for an $840 billion expenditure to buy fucking Greenland is not a fiscal conservative,

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I would argue, by any stretch of the imagination.

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They fought tooth and nail to avoid giving Americans $850 billion in fucking stimulus

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bullshit.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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But this is an island.

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These people are insane.

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Where does Alex think that money is coming from, I might ask?

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Does he realize that something like that would require insane tax hikes?

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I can't stress this enough.

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This is completely unhinged and a bad shit idea for him to justify this kind of shit

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and it fully contradicts the positions he's pretended to support for the entirety of his

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career.

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Can you imagine Ron Paul advocating for paying $840 billion to buy Greenland?

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It's crazy.

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Guys, look, I know this sounds like a lunatic idea, but what if we just spent 40% of our

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GDP and bought Greenland?

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I know you're going to...

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Now hold on.

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I have three proposals.

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Hold on.

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One, eliminate all foreign aid, two, get rid of OSHA, three, buy Greenland.

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Buy Greenland.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Sir, you just got yourself a standing ovation.

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Now, there's a second matter to consider and that is that he thinks there'll be thousands

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of percent profit.

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Now, in order for that to be the case, you'd need to see about a tenfold return.

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So now we're talking about bringing in like $8 trillion in tourism and resources mined

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from Greenland?

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Day one, first 100 days of owning Greenland, Dan, we will bring in $8 trillion.

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That's some bad news about his plan.

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Currently, the GDP of Greenland is $2.7 billion.

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If the United States were to just steal all of that, it would still take us about 3,000

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years to make a thousands of percent profit on the purchase Alex is suggesting and that's

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not even factoring in any costs that we would need to incur.

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Making this kind of a purchase profitable would require an almost unimaginable length

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of time or an almost unimaginable level of destruction of nature in pursuit of these

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resources.

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It would be a horrible thing to do and there's no reason to think that even if you destroyed

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every piece of protected wildlife, you would end up with the kind of return on investment

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Alex is imagining.

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It is the colonialist equivalent of John Wall's NBA contract.

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Thank you.

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I don't know John Wall.

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Washington Wizards, it's the worst contract in the entire league by a wide margin.

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Okay.

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It's pretty fantastic.

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What's he pulling in?

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$840 billion?

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Actually, pretty close.

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That's why it's troublesome.

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So like I said, I love the idea that Alex is going to try and use specifics because

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I need to make this clear.

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He's talking about the idea of purchasing Greenland.

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And he's saying that everyone is saying Trump is stupid for wanting to buy Greenland.

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So now his argument is going to be, look at all these other times presidents have bought

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land or whatever and it was so stupid.

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The argument hinges on the idea that these people bought the land.

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That's important.

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His first example is okay.

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The Louisiana Purchase?

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Yes.

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Of course.

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That's number one.

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And then it's going to go down.

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Yeah.

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Remember when we bought the land with the guns?

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So let's let him get into the Louisiana Purchase and then we'll see how this all plays out.

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So let's go through the history here.

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Well after we took from the King of England the original 13 colonies by force, by conquest,

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by ideas, well then there was the Louisiana Purchase for $15 million, the equivalent of

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about 200 plus million today.

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And as you know, the Louisiana Purchase is worth hundreds of trillions of dollars.

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What a horrible purchase.

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What a horrible thing that president did back then.

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Those were really bad people.

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Do you think it's strange that Alex can't come up with a name of who was the president

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during the Louisiana Purchase?

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Do you think that's strange?

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It does not.

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Do you think it's weird?

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It does not.

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Because do you know who did it, Dan?

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I do.

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I know who we have a ton of quotes from.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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I know we've got so many quotes from this guy.

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But I can't think of his name right now.

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Is it someone who Alex considers a hero?

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And maybe the foundation of a ton of his ideas are based on, like you said, fake quotes from

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him?

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It's so surprising that he can't remember his name.

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What the fuck?

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It's so surprising that the one time it's referencing something he actually did do.

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Whoever was president back then.

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Jesus.

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What is wrong with this guy?

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Oh man, do you remember that famous quote of his?

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Liberty can't be grown without the burning of fire on the seed of Louisiana's purchase.

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Thomas Jefferson.

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From a purely financial standpoint, that did turn out to be a great purchase.

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But other factors make it a bit more of a complicated situation.

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Again, we were not buying the land from the people who actually lived there.

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No, we were buying it from the people who actually lived there, right?

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We weren't buying autonomous areas and saying, hey folks, we sure would like it if you join

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up with our awesome country, and how about we pay you and you do this?

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No, the French were born there, Dan.

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Everybody knows this.

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The area that was bought in the Louisiana Purchase, laissez, it was colonized by the

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French and we bought it from them.

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There was no consent of the natives who lived in the area.

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There was no vote about it.

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It was just a negotiation between two colonizing powers who didn't give a fuck about the interests

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of the people who lived in the areas they controlled.

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That just doesn't sound like us, Dan.

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It doesn't ring true.

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It just doesn't sound like us.

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It seems like fake news.

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It's impossible to argue that the purchase wasn't a really good investment for the US

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on a monetary basis, but it also set into place a lot of really long-lasting problems

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that still resonate to this day.

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There was the disruption, destabilization, and displacement of native peoples that we

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enacted.

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There was the ensuing War of 1812 that was caused by a ton of factors.

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This isn't obviously the entirety of it, but one of the factors was the international response

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to American expansionism as well as the British support of Native American tribes who were

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fighting with the United States because the United States was disrupting, destabilizing,

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and displacing them.

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Those were factors that came into that were a direct result of our expansionism.

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Which is not to say that the British were supporting the native tribes because they

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were good guys.

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No.

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Definitely not.

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There was also the fact that states could be made out of this Louisiana purchase that

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would have to either be free or slave states, which would disrupt the balance between the

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two.

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So they had to compromise and create...

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The Missouri Compromise of 1820.

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That compromise likely postponed the outbreak of the Civil War, but it also gave an air

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of legitimacy to slavery in the South and also made official that anti-slavery progress

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was not going to extend past that barrier.

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It reminds me of something where it's like you can't compromise on certain issues.

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So if you're compromising with certain stuff, then you're really just enabling evil things

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to occur.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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You allow it to exist in a place.

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You can't apply that to current day whatsoever.

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There are a lot of very serious factors that go into looking at the history of the Louisiana

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purchase that don't involve whether or not we made a lot of money off of it.

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Using that kind of simplistic logic, would Alex be all right with pretty much any kind

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of oppression in the name of a good return on investment?

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Let's imagine a super rich communist wanted to buy Texas and the United States sold it

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to them.

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Shouldn't he have to be okay with that?

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If the super rich communist paid people so they would vote to sell him Texas, Alex would

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never stop screaming about how it was a rigged vote and bribery, but that's exactly what

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he wants done in Greenland.

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Yes.

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It's crazy.

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Yes.

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He's an idiot and a monster, like what he's advocating is a monstrous thing.

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The clip itself listening to him talk, I just got this vision of both of us in a bar, him

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saying that and me being like, I don't want this conversation.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Goodbye.

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No, thanks.

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So, you know, at least the Louisiana purchase though was a purchase.

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So Alex has got that going for him.

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His next example.

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When we purchased Texas from the Mexicans.

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No, we've got a little while until we get to that.

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His next example is not as good of an example of a purchase.

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There was, of course, the Red River Valley purchase, again, just absolutely got it for

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nothing.

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The Red River Valley purchase is not something that exists.

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We didn't buy the Red River Valley or the Red River Basin.

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The boundaries were negotiated in the Treaty of 1818 at the end of the War of 1812.

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And actually, the treaty involved a ceding a bunch of land from the Louisiana purchase

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that is now Canada to Britain since the treaty established the northern border in that area

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for the United States.

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Alex is kind of just making shit up here or reading off a hastily compiled list of territorial

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expansions in United States history that probably one of his dumb interns put together.

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Yeah, we bought the concession of land to the British.

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Don't you know that?

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We fought the War of 1812 and at the end of it, we had a treaty that negotiated this borderline

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and we lost a bunch of land.

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Right, right.

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Robert E. Lee bought Losing the Civil War.

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Everybody knows this.

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So now we get to another one that Alex is bringing up, which, I mean, again, this is

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going to become very repetitive, but he's wrong about everything.

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Then there was the Florida purchase for $5 million.

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Oh, my gosh, Florida for $5 million.

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What another stupid laughingstock idiot president, you know, who was president in 1819?

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Oh, my gosh.

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You tell me.

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Because that person was a really horrible person.

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Wait, he actually doesn't know?

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I don't think he does.

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Oh, of course not.

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We'll get to that in a minute.

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It was Thomas Jefferson.

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It wasn't.

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Oh, no.

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It was James Monroe.

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Yeah.

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The Florida purchase only...

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I hear his doctrine was pretty dope.

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Well, it doesn't make him a great guy.

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No.

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The Florida purchase only happened because Spain didn't want to spend so much maintaining

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the colony and wanted to make a deal with the United States, which led to the Adam's

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Onus Treaty of 1819.

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People often misleadingly say that the U.S. paid $5 million to Spain for Florida, as Alex

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thinks.

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But in reality, that $5 million was part of the Adam's Onus Treaty, wherein the U.S. agreed

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to pay for the legal claims of U.S. citizens against Spain up to the amount of $5 million.

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So it was more an issue of accepting bureaucratic responsibility for claims in the territory,

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if the territory was ceded to the United States.

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You realize this is so insanely like how professional sports works today.

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It is negotiations like that.

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It is really very similar to it.

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It's kind of creeping me out.

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There was no actual payment for Florida.

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It was a negotiation and the resulting agreement was one that was not kept.

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Fun fact, and one of the reasons that Alex should absolutely not be cool with what he's

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talking about in the Florida purchase, Article 3 of the treaty explicitly made the U.S. relinquish

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all claims it had on most of Texas, saying that the U.S. had to, quote, cede to his Catholic

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majesty, that's the ruler of Spain, and renounce forever all their rights, claims, and pretensions

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to Texas, among other areas that would end up becoming part of the United States somehow.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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We didn't buy Florida and the agreement that brought Florida into the United States involved

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language that forbade the U.S. to lay claim on Alex's home state.

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Again, his team is very, very sloppy and he has zero idea what he's talking about.

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His only reason to exist in the present day is to justify whatever dumb shit Trump does

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and agitate towards an authoritarian white nationalist state.

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This is a piece of that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Also, like we've mentioned, James Monroe was president in 1919 and all things considered,

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he wasn't a great guy.

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It's also just fucking hilarious that this noted student of history, knower of all things

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and reader of a thousand books.

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Whatever president was the live winner.

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He literally has no idea who was president when these great expansions of the country

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he loved so much happened.

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This is embarrassing.

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He's read too many books about World War II.

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He still says he's read a lot about American history.

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Right.

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Like it's just, it's, it's pretty, he's not equipped to have the conversation he's trying

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to have.

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Absolutely not.

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And he would be if he just spent any time actually learning about any of this stuff.

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Well, no, in, in a lot of ways, the entire American education system is built around

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making sure no one knows how utterly and completely complex American history is, period.

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And it's, it's to create this American myth that makes sense out of all of this instead

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of a constant push and pull between stupid and ridiculous and evil and yeah.

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That's a huge thing.

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Yeah.

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So Florida purchased, check it off the list.

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That helps us make sense, rationalize, so huge return on investment.

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We have the Louisiana purchase.

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We have the non-existent Red River Valley purchase.

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We have the Florida purchase.

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So these are the things that Alex is using to defend the idea of buying Greenland.

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It's so far.

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He is not doing a great job.

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Here he goes now with some more examples.

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Oh my gosh.

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Then there was the 1845 Texas annexation.

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Whoa, you don't want Texas and all that oil and all that land and all that power and,

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and, and I mean, that is just a horrible deal right there.

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Absolutely horrible deal.

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How much did we spend?

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They got that for nothing.

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Another terrible, horrible decision.

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I mean, Trump is a fricking kook man.

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Kook.

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Kook.

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So at this point, I'm not sure Alex is sure what he's even arguing anymore.

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I really have no idea what he's talking about.

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The Louisiana purchase involved the US buying territory from another colonialist force,

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but these other examples have literally nothing to do with the point he started with.

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The Red River Valley purchase isn't a thing.

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The Florida purchase wasn't a purchase and the Texas annexation was, again, not us buying

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Texas.

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The territory that's now Texas was colonized by Spain.

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In 1821, Steve Austin's father, Moses Austin, was granted permission to create a settlement

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with a population of 300 in Spanish territory.

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After Moses died, Steve kept up his work, but the number of American immigrants into

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Texas did not stop at 300.

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This led to the Americans thinking that they were in charge, which quickly gave way to

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them declaring Texas its own country.

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And even though it was Spanish territory and they were explicitly only there because they

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had permission from the Spanish.

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Anyway, a war broke out and then in 1845, with all the treasuries wearing seriously

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thin and finding themselves unable to defend themselves, Texas asked to join the United

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States and US said, cool.

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Mexico, by now an independent country from Spain, made clear that if the US annexed Texas,

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that would mean war.

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The US said, let's do this thing.

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Thus, the history books now get to include a little chapter about the Mexican-American

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war.

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So that cost us like six million?

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Like what are we talking here?

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I don't know.

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I mean, if you want to talk lives, there were a few.

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Texas joining the United States did not involve us buying it from someone.

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It involved an insurrection from within Spanish territory and then a war that cost thousands

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of lives.

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If this is what Alex is using as an example of what to expect from trying to get our hands

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on Greenland, I think he's making a terrible argument.

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And also, by the way, we have plenty of options for a 51st state already.

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Like what?

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I don't know.

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Like who?

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I know Trump supposedly said something about Greenland and everyone's making fun of him.

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So Alex just needs, he feels this need to go on the defensive.

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But before we start trying to grab up parts of Denmark, maybe we should get our own house

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in order and recognize the statehood of some of these territories we've got that we've

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been neglecting.

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Dan, then they would have rights.

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That is a problem.

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Yeah.

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That's a huge issue for a lot of people.

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And they probably wouldn't vote for his nonsense.

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It would be a surprise if they did.

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I would be shocked.

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Man, I was really pissed off that I couldn't squeeze in a, that's the bottom line reference

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there.

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It was going to be something like there's a 300 maximum amount and that's not the bottom

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line.

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I was going to go there.

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So in this next clip, Alex gets back to talking about Alaska.

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Sure.

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This is really interesting because in this clip-

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Does he call it the Louisiana Purchase again?

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He doesn't.

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In this clip, he actually uses the word colonize when he's talking about Greenland, but what

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he says about Alaska is fucking insane.

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All right, let's hear this.

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The average citizen gets a yearly paycheck from the government off the resources in Alaska

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and Trump's even proposing that for any US citizens that would move out of the inside

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baseball to Greenland.

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We would then colonize it once it became a US territory and then later it would become

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a state.

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Oh, but who wants to even offer those folks that because nobody else seems to be doing

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it.

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Well, no one seems to be doing it because they seem to be pretty satisfied with the

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position that they're in currently.

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And holy shit, Jordan, Alex Jones is the stupidest motherfucker in the planet.

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His entire current brand is built on being opposed to socialism and any form of welfare.

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He hates the idea of a universal basic income because it makes you dependent on the state.

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Well, guess what, shithead?

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That's exactly what the Alaskan Permanent Fund is.

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The Alaskan Permanent Fund is a state-owned fund that takes oil revenues and redistributes

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it to the citizens of Alaska.

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In a very basic sense, it is recognizing that all residents of the state are part owners

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of the natural resources that are taken from the land that they live in and they recognize

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that and pay people for it.

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Everyone gets a check and just by virtue of that, the state is able to raise tons of people

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out of abject poverty, which is the exact goal of all the social welfare programs that

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Alex is so vehemently against.

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Everyone can be enrolled as soon as they're born and their dividend checks are placed

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into an account, so by the time they're 18, they could easily have like $20,000 to put

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towards college or trade school or whatever they want.

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The oil companies still make insane profits, but some of that has to go back to the people.

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It's a very sane model, so sane that Alex doesn't even seem to be against it.

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Weird.

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What a dumb motherfucker.

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Dan, you know, the more you listen to these kinds of folk talk, the more you think, I

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don't think they actually believe in anything they're saying.

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No.

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I think they're just making bad faith arguments in order to convince enough people to vote

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against their own interests.

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And it's almost like the things that they actually complain about aren't what they care

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about.

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It seems like there's something behind it that's actually like maybe a white thing.

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Yeah.

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A white thing.

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I don't think they really care as much about the things they purport to care about.

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In Alaska, this is a state run and owned program.

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Right.

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Alex, this should be socialism run amok.

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States' rights.

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It should be something that he sees as intrinsically evil and exactly opposite to everything he

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stands for.

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And yet here he is seemingly endorsing it, which is, I guess to say, Alex doesn't really

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hate socialism as much as he thinks he does.

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And here's the real kicker.

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Studies have shown that the dividend checks have had almost a nonexistent effect on employment,

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which is to say that people being given a free check hasn't made them just decide to

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stop working and live off the state.

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There's some indications that it's increased part time employment, but a lot of that is

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thought to be a result of people having the freedom to work less hours and not starve,

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which societally speaking is a good thing.

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You remember in the 1940s and 50s, whenever they had all those, like what the future is

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going to be like for people.

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I mean, I don't remember it subjectively, but I've heard of it.

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Yeah.

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Well, they have all of those things and you can keep going back and every one of those,

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like what the future is going to be like scenarios, everybody is always like, well, we won't

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have to work as much, right?

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We won't have to have the five day workweek.

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We'll be able to work two or three days and still be able to explore our interests in

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a greater way.

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And now people have taken that in the complete opposite direction.

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It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you want the future to be you working less?

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You lazy piece of shit.

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Believing that the only incentive to do anything is financial or something along those lines

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is stupid.

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Like it's, what it is is indicating that you don't really believe in people as much as

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you think you do.

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Like Alex always talks about, I believe in the human spirit and like if you did, then

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everyone getting paid a basic like survival income shouldn't change how vigorous and inflame

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the human spirit would be.

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People would create so many amazing things.

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Nope.

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No, they wouldn't.

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So because this program is based in Alaska's natural resources and most states don't share

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that kind of abundance, it's been seen as a difficult challenge to try and replicate

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this sort of program nationally.

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But I think that's kind of dumb.

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There are countless ways the success of this very not socialist program could be enacted

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through taxes and it would make everyone's life substantially better.

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I would love to see something along these lines be explored, but not just, you know,

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let's throw it up and see what happens, but explore these sorts of ideas, see what kind

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of system we could put in place.

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It's exciting to hear that Alex is on board.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No kidding.

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Yeah.

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So I look forward to him advocating for universal basic income initiatives in the future.

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It'll be great.

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Thank you, Alex.

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As long as they are given to Greenland, Dan, not to the, you know, not to the 50.

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What a stupid, stupid douche.

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They're all stupid.

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Yeah.

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They're all incredibly stupid unless they're smart, in which case they're evil.

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I think socialism is of the devil, but I'm thrilled with this program that's in Alaska

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and also Trump is going to bring it to Greenland.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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But not to the 48, Dan.

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Not to the, look, the contiguous 48, we're just, we just can't be trusted with that kind

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of shit right there.

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You can only give it to Alaska, Greenland, and I suppose Hawaii because it's also not

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connected to the mainland.

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Alex is the worst.

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So now he gets back to his examples of dumb purchases.

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Are we still doing this?

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This goes on a long time.

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How long?

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Most of the episode.

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None of it was purchases.

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Nope.

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We always, we killed people.

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And guess what?

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We didn't either.

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Then there's the Oregon treaty.

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The Oregon treaty established the boundary between Canada and the United States and the

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49th parallel.

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And again, that was for nothing.

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Right.

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It was a treaty.

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So then there was the Vietnam treaty where we took some of Vietnam, I guess.

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He does get kind of close to that.

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Really?

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That guy, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to go too far.

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You can't exaggerate.

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So the Oregon country was established as a dual occupied area where the United States

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and British settlers could freely set up shop.

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The settlers were mostly there for the fur trade and inevitably when the local species

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became more scarce from overhunting, the industry took a downturn.

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In that situation in the 1840s, the British weren't really all that interested in maintaining

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their occupation of the Oregon territory, especially considering that the US was super

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interested in it and there were way more Americans there than British.

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By this point, the ripples of the Missouri Compromise were being felt in all of the expansionist

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territories of the United States.

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Every new area that was coming under our sway was subject to the new slave state versus

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free state debate.

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And the Oregon territory was no different.

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It always has to be one and one, too.

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You can't have one state going to the Union, it's got to be even.

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When negotiating for the precise boundaries of what the US would eventually own in terms

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of the northern boundary with Britain's claim on Canada, anti-slavery people wanted more

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territory because it was in the north and if there was more territory, it may become

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more states, which would then be non-slave states.

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The south didn't really want to fight with the British over expanding the northern boundary

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of the United States because they were aware of that exact same dynamic and less territory

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actually worked in their interests of preserving the power that slave states held.

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Again, this is not an instance of the United States purchasing land to expand its territory.

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This, as best as I can tell, has literally nothing to do with the point Alex is trying

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to make about Greenland, unless the only point he's trying to make is that he's into colonialism

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and existing populations should just be made to submit to and assimilate to the culture

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you're bringing in with your colonization.

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This is really disgusting stuff to hear coming from the same guy who spends all his time

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yelling about Muslims and South American refugees coming to take away his culture.

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Here he is so ready to celebrate the prospect of doing exactly that to someone else because

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he thinks it's a good investment.

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Like, this dude's a monster and his argument about colonizing Greenland makes clear he's

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stupid.

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His examples are not analogous in any way except in adding more territory to the United

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States.

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That's the only similarity that they have.

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His only argument he could be making with all of these examples is, hey, look at all

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these other times we've added territory.

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We should add more territory.

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Right.

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That's it.

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There is a...

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It doesn't...

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Sorry.

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Here is my main point.

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It doesn't justify the idea that people are making fun of Trump for, which is that buying

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it.

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No.

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Yeah.

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We're so far away from that.

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That's what Alex is defending.

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That's what people are mocking Trump for.

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That's why he's being defensive.

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And the argument he's making has nothing to do with that.

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He's lost the thread entirely.

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It is a...

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I don't know if it's unique, but it is a very strong, this like overriding manifest destiny

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belief in America that so many, let's go with, incredibly white people have of just like,

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I would die.

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I would kill everyone that I've ever met before I allow someone to take an inch of my land.

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And I will absolutely have zero understanding of how similar that it would be if I was on

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the other side.

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I'm going to take your land with no consequences and no interest in you and your reactions

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whatsoever.

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But if you even come for an inch of mine, I'll go apeshit on you.

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That is just how so many of these guys think without ever understanding the similarities

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there.

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I don't hear that to be the case.

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But Alex has more examples.

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Oh, God, how?

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And then there's Mexican cessation where we got massive amounts of stuff, including California.

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Who wants that?

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Utah, Arizona, all of that.

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And that was taken again by force because Mexico couldn't even hold it.

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So we purchased it, right?

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We can just continue here.

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All these other horrible, horrible purchases.

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These aren't purchases.

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He just said that it wasn't a purchase, that it was taken by force.

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You can't buy something taken by force.

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That's a burglary.

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It's also not the Mexican cessation.

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It's the Mexican cession.

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Yeah.

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And they ceded land to the United States.

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So this isn't a part of a purchase or a shrewd investment we made.

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It was the result of a treaty that ended the Mexican-American War.

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As a result of the war, the U.S. absorbed a lot of the territory that is now the West

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and the Southwest.

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As part of the treaty, Mexicans who decided to stay were granted citizenship and allowed

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to keep their property, except we didn't stick to that.

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The U.S. almost immediately began snatching up land that was already owned by Mexicans,

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who would now be Americans.

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Estimates put it at around 20 million acres of land that should be a rightful property

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of Mexican-Americans that was just taken from them, which absolutely had a massive ripple

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effect through history in terms of capital, property, and generational wealth.

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But Alex isn't interested in that.

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It was a great purchase.

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It was a great purchase.

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And he shouldn't want California.

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He hates California.

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Yeah, but it's ours.

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Yeah.

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It's ours.

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Come on, man.

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He thinks it's one of the biggest problems in America.

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Yeah, but just because liberals took it over doesn't mean it's not ours.

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It's ridiculous.

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It's, uh, man.

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He really...

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In a way, though, it actually makes sense because he was totally all about the annexation

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of Crimea.

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So it's very similar.

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There are similarities.

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The annexation of Cry-Mexico.

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So most of these do seem to be treaties that ended wars or just treaties that were negotiations

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less than they were purchases.

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And none of them took into account the people who were living there already.

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Now imperialism is an awful, terrible thing, except when we do it.

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So now, interestingly, Alex gets to another actual purchase in this next clip.

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The 1853 Gadsden purchase from Mexico, $10 million.

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And again, that gave U.S. possession of the valley south of the Gila River and the land

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in which the United States and Arizona and New Mexico now reside.

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So again, horrible getting large parts of Arizona and New Mexico.

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What a horrible deal for $10 million.

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What a terrible deal.

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What stupid, bad American presidents.

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These American presidents absolutely just have to be stopped.

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Again, he doesn't know who the president was.

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No clue.

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For the record, Franklin Pierce was president when the Gadsden purchase happened.

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I know, I know.

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He was a one-term guy and he was only president when the Nebraska-Kansas Act was passed that

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really exacerbated relations between slave and free states and was in office during the

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bleeding Kansas border wars between Kansas and Missouri.

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All that stuff's really easy to not know much about, especially when you've read dozens

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of books about the Civil War.

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It's a good thing Alex doesn't claim to have read dozens of books about the Civil War or

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else you should know a lot of this stuff that he seems to be kind of unaware of.

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You would think.

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But...

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I doubt his books about the Civil War really go into the larger socioeconomic and political

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factors that started...

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It might be written by Confederate sympathizers.

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Yeah, that started like 40 years before the Civil War even came close to beginning.

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They might just be about how, like...

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The South was great.

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Yeah, Jefferson Davis is cool.

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So finally though, we have the Gadsden purchase.

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We have an actual purchase in this laundry list of non-purchases Alex is trying to use

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to justify the stupid idea of buying Greenland.

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First things first, this has nothing to do with the Gadsden flag.

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That was designed by a guy named Christopher Gadsden back in the late 1700s, whereas this

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purchase is named after the chief negotiator of it, James Gadsden.

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JK, James Gadsden is Christopher Gadsden's grandson.

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Oh, okay, great.

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No, it kind of doesn't.

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Okay, I gotcha.

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So James Gadsden was a real piece of shit.

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Oh no!

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What?

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Come on!

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Yeah, I know.

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What?

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I know you're shocked.

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He was the president of the South Carolina Railroad Company, and in 1850 he advocated

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for South Carolina to secede from the Union because they admitted California as a free

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state.

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You see, he had said that slavery was, quote, a social blessing.

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But of course, as we know, the choice to secede had nothing to do with wanting to keep enslaving

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people.

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No, no, no.

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They definitely didn't put it in that big, like, why we are going to secede kind of thing.

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So California went too far south geographically for his tastes, because it should have been

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a slave state since it went down into that.

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So that was his problem.

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Yeah.

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Imaginary lines.

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So his plan, when Carolina didn't end up going ahead and secede back then, he decided his

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new plan was going to be to try to break up California into two states and make the southern

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part of it a giant slave colony, which also didn't secede.

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One of his plans for the California slave colony was to use slave labor to build a railroad.

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After all, that was the business he was in.

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In 1853, Franklin Pierce sent Gadsden to Mexico to negotiate for more land along the border,

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and the reason he was sent was because we wanted that land in order to build a southern

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transcontinental railroad.

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Gadsden was successful in his negotiation trip, and now the land in the Gadsden Purchase

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is one of the largest rail hubs in the country.

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Now I would also be remiss if I didn't tell you that James Gadsden was also pretty deeply

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involved in the negotiation of those treaties the U.S. made to remove native tribes from

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their land.

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This of course was during the time of Andrew Jackson and the Trail of Tears.

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So you know that this dude was not a very cool guy.

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I'm pretty sure he was super cool.

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When you was involved in the Indian removal process and tried to start a slave colony

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in a state he didn't live in, both on your resume, you've really earned your place in

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history as a gigantic piece of shit.

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Yeah, that's something that only he and like half of our presidents can share, really.

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That being said, this is an example of the U.S. paying another country for a plot of

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land.

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However, it does kind of fall into the exact same problem as any of the other purchases,

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and that the move was never the will of the people who lived in the land that it was purchased,

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like the land that was in question.

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Also that $10 million went to Santa Anna, who Alex knows as the villain of the story

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of the Alamo.

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So he probably shouldn't be so thrilled that we gave $10 million to one of his greatest

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historical arch-villains.

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His heroes, Alex's heroes, didn't negotiate with a tyrant like Santa Anna.

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They stood up and bravely held their ground.

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They didn't give him $10 million for the Alamo.

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He literally knows nothing about what he's talking about.

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If you think too hard or read too much about American history, you'll hurt yourself, Dan.

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Just believe what you want to believe about it.

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That's the best way to go through life.

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Yeah, I guess so.

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He's almost, I bet in Alex's mind, he's almost thinking that he's developed a progressive

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colonialism wherein we actually pay the people who live there.

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Yeah, he probably feels insecure about how like, this is pretty forward thinking.

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He's probably like, look at me, I am a classical liberal.

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All right, hey.

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You know what?

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I am a good guy.

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I think I am.

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Pat myself on the back.

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I'm getting soft, to be honest.

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So in this next clip, Alex just directly is advocating for colonizing.

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And we could go in there and have a referendum and buy it from them for nothing.

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And then they would get major investment and then major amounts of people moving there.

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And then everybody will be trying to move to Greenland 50 years after we buy it.

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Guaranteed.

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There'll be flotillas of people trying to break into the country.

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There'll be huge migrant caravan ships that will have to put fences up around Greenland

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once there's shopping malls and movie theaters and all sorts of giant greenhouse facilities

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growing food.

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And then once we develop it and there's all these incredible mountain ski resorts and

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hot springs, I mean, Greenland is incredible.

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Greenland is magic.

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Maybe we can show that New York Times photo of Greenland.

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It looks like where Santa Claus lives or something.

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Or something.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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This is stupid.

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Uh-huh.

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It just blows me out to hear a grown up talking like that.

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Yeah.

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That's dumb.

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Although on the other hand, I bet Pompeo is talking to Boris Johnson about something

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very similar for the U.

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Whenever Scotland and Northern Ireland leave, Pompeo will be like, hey, Boris, what if we

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just bought England, buddy?

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You guys, we used to be your colony.

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Now you get full circle, man.

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Narrative circles.

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I mean, it is, I don't know if that would necessarily be in the realm of realistic,

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but that's like in line with the sort of conversation Alex is opening up.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Like it becomes like this really fucked up box that he's opening that I don't think is

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good.

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No, and it kind of suggests that he thinks any country could just vote to become a state

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and if we paid them to.

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I do think he thinks that.

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I think he thinks that.

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Yeah.

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It sounds like if, you know, and it can't be one of the Middle Eastern states cause

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he'll be very angry about it, but like if, if Laos just was like, you know what, we want

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to become a United States state.

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So we had a vote, give us, I don't know, 2 million each.

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We're a real bargain, bargain country, 2 million each and then we'll just be 50 for a state.

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Now you're suggesting that other states could, or other countries could initiate this process

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and make us make an offer.

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Yeah.

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They're making us an offer.

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Eventually we used car salesmen our way into owning the world.

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I mean really that is like on a very basic level, what he's dipping his toe into is expansionism.

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It is empire.

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It's not good.

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When you have a guy who's deeply, deeply white supremacist, white identity to his core, and

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then you add in expansionist interested in empire.

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I really don't see any corollary or historical parallel at all.

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I'm not saying that he's advocating for taking over the world yet, but I'm saying that this

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is not language you like to see out of that kind of guy.

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Well, the next sentence out of his mouth is, have we considered invading Poland?

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I think it might be a good way to go.

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I mean.

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Step one, creak that blitz.

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Well, we'll kind of get into how this rhetoric is very easily molded once it's established,

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which I think is important, but we have to wait for him to play out his thoughts first.

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In this next clip, Alixer says some more stupid shit.

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There's a whole bunch of other pages of horrible, stupid, evil purchases by other dirty Americans

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that believe in manifest destiny and to expand with our Renaissance and our superior ideas

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and to build an amazing place everyone would want to come to, which we did.

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But now folks want to conquer us.

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They want to take us over.

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So here you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

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There you have it.

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What?

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They're superior.

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The ideas were superior, and that's why we ended up taking over all of this stuff.

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Oh, boy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, so I mean, I think I think you get all you need from that.

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Oh, God, they just can't go that next step of being like, well, if our ideas were if

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our ideas were superior, then so we get to conquer them.

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Does that mean should someone have ideas superior to ours now, they get to conquer us?

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Well, I mean, then, Alix, we probably need to do a lot more work in trying to refute

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the arguments and ideas of the U.N.

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Yeah.

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It feels like they're trying to conquer him.

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Yeah.

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It seems like they have superior ideas, though.

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To him, yeah.

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Yeah.

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They need to be allowed to take over whatever they want.

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I mean, Alix's ideas are dirt bad.

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See, there we go.

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So he has no choice but to acquiesce to U.N. control by his own arguments.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Alix talks horribly about the people of Greenland, and we could

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go in there and buy it from the indigenous population that's autonomous from Denmark.

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But under a bidding war, $200 billion would be chicken feed.

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All that's on it now is a bunch of shacks.

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Couple hundred thousand people, and that's seasonal.

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So you know, man, if Greenland is just a bunch of shacks, it's wildly impressive that their

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GDP is two point seven billion dollars.

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There's capital city Nook has a population of about 19000.

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That's a ton of shacks.

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The country has 14 airports in it, or as I like to call them, flying shacks.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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You're so proud of yourself.

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All bullshit aside, this rhetoric is fucking insane.

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This is the language of colonialism.

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And because it's coming out of Alix's mouth and it's being used to describe the Inuit

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peoples that he wants to pillage resources from, this is the language of white supremacist

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colonialism.

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There's no difference between the sentiment that holds up what Alix is saying and the

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notions that the people of Africa were savages who needed the Europeans to come in and civilize

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things.

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Alix is talking about the people who live in Greenland with the same disdain and discussing

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his plans for what he wants to do with their country the exact same way you would expect

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to hear from some shill for the colonialist powers to do back then.

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This is empire shit.

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This is exactly what Alix stands against.

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No, he is also the chief propagandist for the East India Oil Company.

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I know he thinks he's framing this as some kind of a like, we'll go in and pay them so

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they vote to let us take all their shit and turn their country into something they don't

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recognize anymore.

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But the reality is that at no point has Greenland ever been interested in being bought.

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Both the prime minister of Greenland and Denmark have both said that the idea is absurd and

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they're not interested in selling the fucking country because of course they're not.

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The Sydney Morning Herald interviewed residents of Teslick who were uniformly just laughing

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at Trump.

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One said, quote, I think it's a ridiculous idea.

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I think it sounds stupid.

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It wasn't just the Democrats or Trump's political enemies who were laughing at him.

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It was the people that he wanted to buy and fuck over.

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And here's why this conversation is happening.

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This is a means to warm up to the idea of future adventures and colonialism.

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I have zero idea what Trump is thinking or what his intentions are or if this is just

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him talking shit.

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But I get the very strong sense that Alix wants it to be a sincere suggestion.

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He wants, he wouldn't be spending so much time on his show defending the idea if he

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weren't interested in it being something that's actually pursued.

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He is absolutely unequivocally using the language of colonialism to describe the state of affairs

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he wishes to see in the world, namely that the United States becomes expansionist.

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He's using dehumanizing and delegitimizing descriptions and imagery to describe the people

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who would be affected by the colonization, to make listeners care less about them.

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He's describing the wonderful outcomes that would be the result of colonization.

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He's implying that expanding your country and gaining wealth is absolutely the thing

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that freedom does.

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This is a profoundly dangerous development in Alix's rhetoric.

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Up to this point in listening to Alix, I've never heard anything like this.

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And granted, that's probably because we've never had a president stupid enough to want

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to buy Greenland.

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But the point is still important.

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Either Alix has been waiting forever for a president to seemingly endorse American expansion

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or he's been so warped by the Trump rise to power that he no longer realizes that his

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primary brand for his entire career has been explicitly opposed to foreign intervention,

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regime change, meddling in affairs, all that other shit.

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This is so essentially opposed to what he's supposed to stand for that it really worries

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me.

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And to be clear, I get that he's not saying we should go in and invade them right now

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in Greenland.

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But what if the situation is slightly changed?

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What if we need a strategic resource that they have and they don't want to sell?

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Once you've introduced the idea that it's totally great and a positive thing to buy

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countries to pillage their resources, how easy is it to escalate that rhetoric to conquest?

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It's very easy.

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You can even use the preliminary rhetoric that you've already done to build your case.

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We tried to buy this very important thing that we need from them, but they want us to

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go without it, which if you really think about it, amounts to an act of war against us.

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We basically have to invade them now.

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It's a very dangerous road to walk down.

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And I really, really don't like what it implies about what Alix is now capable of accepting,

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is it seems like a departure.

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Well, let's say, oh, I don't know.

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Let's say Greenland has this resource that we really, really need.

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And just a couple of years prior to this, you know, there was some sort of big attack

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on the United States.

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And we just, and you know what?

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I found out that the Greenland government, they have all of this shit that they're hiding

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from us, all of these weapons.

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And we just got to go in there and we got to save the people freely.

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They're already United States citizens.

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They're going to greet us.

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They're going to greet us as their liberators.

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It's really not far.

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It's not.

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It's from preparatory, but it's worse.

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It's worse.

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But he made the anti-colonialist arguments during the Iraq, the lead up to Iraq war.

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All of that stuff was the same shit, but we weren't buying it.

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Exactly.

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The problem with regime change over colonialism is that sometimes it goes your way and then

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sometimes it goes the other direction back at you.

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Like with Iran, we were like, haha, we did it.

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And then it all went to shit real quick.

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It pretty much always goes against you.

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Of course it does.

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So Alex is fucking stupid.

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And I think like a lot of those other things that we've found that invalidate pieces of

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his rhetoric, you know, like the now being cool with camps for people, posi comitatus

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is kind of out the window.

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Hey man, Rex 84.

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That stuff is pretty bad.

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And I think it's really damning.

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This stuff here with sort of geopolitical implications, I find worse.

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I find that to somehow be worse.

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It really affects the world.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Especially when you're talking about the most ridiculous military might that the earth has

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ever seen.

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And yeah, no, that's no good.

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We don't want an imperialist country in 2019.

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But it's, you know, whatever.

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Are the Nazis really coming back that strong?

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That's too strong.

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It's weird.

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It's too strong.

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So, but like, look, I mean, Trump just wants to buy Greenland and Alex has more examples

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of purchases.

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Really?

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He does.

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He's got receipts.

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He has more purchases.

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How can there be more?

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You've made, you're not a point.

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And Trump's an idiot.

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Trump's a terrorist.

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Yes.

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Kind of like that purchase of Alaska for 7.2 million in 1867.

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Terrible idea.

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It's worth tens of trillions now.

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Midway islands got that for free.

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Terrible idea.

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We already talked about Alaska, but the airport.

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What the fuck is Alex doing?

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The Midway Islands?

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What does he, what does he think he's doing?

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Midway Island has literally, I mean, this literally no one living on it when it was

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discovered in 1859.

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It was discovered by a captain who was trying to mine guano or bird shit and claimed the

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island for the United States, which is an acceptable thing to do because it was unclaimed

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and completely uninhabited.

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But before anyone gets the wrong idea about this, Midway Island currently has a population

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of about 40 and no economy or government to speak of.

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It was initially used by the Commercial Pacific Cable Company as a stop in a project to lay

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transatlantic cable lines in the early 1900s.

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After that point, it was a strategic location for the Navy to set up radio towers.

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And of course, as World War II was getting going, it was a crucially important refueling

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station, since it was halfway between the United States and Japan, hence the name Midway.

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In the 60s and 70s, there were a couple thousand people stationed there, what with the Vietnam

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War going on.

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But outside of that, there's never been a relevant population permanently living on

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the island.

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And nowadays, it's a bird refuge.

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Well, that sounds nice.

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So if you're keeping score, this one was an-

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I would like Midway Islands to be a 51st state then.

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Sure, a lot of birds.

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I'll give that one the I have.

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This was an uninhabited island that was claimed by the United States and no native populations

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were hurt or exploited in the process.

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This wasn't a purchase and no one has ever really lived on the island.

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There's no culture that's distinct to the island and it's never had an existence except

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as a US base, unless you're a bird.

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This has literally nothing in common with Alex's fantasies of Trump colonizing Greenland.

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Sincerely, Alex is the stupidest asshole in the world and he's so terrible at making an

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argument.

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This is almost embarrassing to listen to this.

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And I absolutely wouldn't care at all, except for the points that I've been trying to make

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throughout this of, he is advocating for the return of colonialism and that is very bad.

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Yeah, that's very bad.

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So you have to, when these are the pieces that he's using to reinforce that shift towards

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that mentality, it's important to understand why these are terrible examples.

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Fucking Midway Island.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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You know, here's, so being without the constant content mill for the past 10 days has been

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very nice.

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Sure.

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It really has.

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It gave me this perspective while all this Trump is going to buy Greenland shit is going

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on that I didn't expect to receive, which is, of course he's not going to buy Greenland

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and even talking about this is pretty fucking stupid.

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It's just shit for the content mill.

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But what fascinates me about that is that if we hadn't brought this subject up, Alex

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would never have suddenly started talking about how colonialism is okay.

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And you know what I mean?

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And now he's on that side.

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Like this is a thought that he never would have needed to confront were it not for a

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bullshit content grist.

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Yeah, and he never would have had a reason for it to be something he needs to do because

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he needs to defend Trump.

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And the only way to do it in his mind is to like, oh yeah, I mean, fucking let's do this.

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So the more Trump does dumb shit, the more they reveal exactly what's underneath that

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has been there the whole time.

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Yeah, and I guess that's something that's interesting about focusing on what we focus

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on is that like it's less interesting that Trump said X.

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It's more interesting how Alex responds to X and how it makes the people who love Trump

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respond to X.

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Yeah, it's fascinating because you're like, I would never have even expected people to

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really think colonialism was still okay.

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But it turns out a lot of people are like, why did manifest destiny stop?

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Yeah, it's troubling.

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So here's another example.

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Hawaiian islands.

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That was the worst.

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No, that was not a purchase.

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Dumb American.

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That was not a purchase.

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As someone who spent some years of his childhood growing up in Hawaii, I can tell you firsthand

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there are still some not great feelings about the process in which the island nation was

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brought into the United States.

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I have a lot of fond memories of my dad taking me out of school early so we could go to the

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courthouse for the big King Kamehameha Day celebration.

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Legitimately, some of my best memories are things like that from my time living on the

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island of Oahu, taking part in celebration of a culture that was not my own.

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But I was welcomed into the celebration all the same.

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That was not the full experience of growing up white in Hawaii.

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There was definitely a good amount of racism thrown my way just because I was white.

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And that's never great.

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But as an adult, I kind of understand it in a little bit of a larger context.

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The early history of the Hawaiian islands is difficult to get into, basically, because

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all the islands have their own stories.

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They weren't completely like a united thing through a lot of history and even had conflicts

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between each other from time to time.

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Because getting into that is endlessly complicated, though there are some amazing tales that exist

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in that canon, I'm going to choose to start our story today in 1922, because that's when

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James Dole, the owner of the Hawaiian Pineapple Company, which would become Dole, bought the

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island of Lanai.

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Lanai became almost entirely a pineapple plantation, and I remember in my youth being told that

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normal people like me were not allowed to go to Lanai because it was wholly owned by

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Dole.

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I imagined showing up on Lanai would be something not unlike that scene in the Leonardo DiCaprio

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movie The Beach, where Leo accidentally stumbles into a giant marijuana farm on an island,

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but this would be with pineapples.

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It wasn't, the island isn't closed off to people anymore, but it might have been when

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I was there, because the pineapple plantations were still operational until the time I lived

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in Honolulu.

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Yeah, it was more like Leonardo DiCaprio and Django Unchained than The Beach.

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It may have been.

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By then, the Lanai plantation was a smaller operation, though, and it was run by Del Monte,

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because Dole had fled Hawaii in search of cheaper labor.

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The pineapple business in Hawaii was very big, and Lanai boasted the largest such plantation

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in the world, which understandably gave James Dole a very powerful position in the islands.

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Flashback to 1795.

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King Kamehameha has united the islands into a single kingdom.

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His descendants rule until 1872, the line ending with the death of the childless King

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Kamehameha V.

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With no heir, chaos descended on the process of determining the next ruler.

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When things got a little bit out of hand, Western forces stepped in to quell the violence,

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ultimately leading to the ascension of King Kalakua.

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Although initially on friendly terms with Western interests, in time Kalakua began entertaining

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ideas of creating a federation of Polynesian states, each independent and sovereign, but

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cooperative in their interests.

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This was not something that the Western business interests wanted to see happen.

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Things were all right for their business interests as it was, but if Polynesian states got together,

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they could ultimately jeopardize their corporate power through exports and trade.

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Labor unionizing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So on July 6, 1887, King Kalakua was literally forced at gunpoint to sign a new constitution

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for Hawaii that was written by the white business owners and was designed to disenfranchise

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the native population and make it easier for their businesses to run roughshod over nature

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and the native peoples.

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It's remembered by its appropriate name, the Bayonet Constitution.

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The men who made Kalakua sign the constitution were members of a group called the Hawaiian

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League, which was comprised of sugar and pineapple business owners, missionaries, and lawyers.

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This was legitimately a white secret society aimed at overthrowing the kingdom of Hawaii

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and getting the U.S. to annex the islands.

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They exerted their control by joining up with a local white militia called the Honolulu

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Rifles, who were literally the ones pointing the guns during the signing of the Bayonet

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Constitution.

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The new constitution took much of the power away from the monarch and gave that power

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to the legislature.

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Generally, democratization, when it's not forced at gunpoint, is a good thing, but this

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constitution also specified and put in place new requirements for voting rights that would

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disenfranchise most of the native population of the island, leaving only the white settlers

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and business owners as the ones who could elect the members of the legislature.

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To get elected, even, one had to, quote, own real estate within the kingdom of clear value.

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Kalakua's cabinet was dismissed, some fleeing the country under feelings that they were

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going to be killed.

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And then that cabinet was...

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Wise.

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Wise feelings.

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Possibly.

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Wise feelings.

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And the cabinet was then replaced by members of the Hawaiian League.

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This was not democratization.

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This was a coup.

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Yep.

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Just like Georgia.

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Kalakua died...

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Not the country.

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Brian Kemp.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kalakua died in 1891 and was succeeded by his sister, Queen Liliuokalani, who is recognized

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as the last monarch of Hawaii.

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When Liliuokalani rose to the throne, she made it clear that it was her intention to

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restore power to the monarchy, specifically targeting the business interests that had

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been behind the original coup.

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That scared the shit out of the business owners and members of the Hawaiian League, who had

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by now changed their name to the Committee of Safety.

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The goal of the actions of the white settlers up to this point had always been aimed at

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the annexation of Hawaii.

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They really wanted the United States to take over Hawaii.

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Most of the momentum was...

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It's a lot easier to suppress people whenever you got the whole United States behind you.

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Most of the momentum was coming from Americans who wanted to take the islands, but they also

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used the fear that if we didn't do it, the British or the Japanese would to rally politicians

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to their side.

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Nationalism being used in a negative...

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I don't...

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No.

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What was in the way of their ability to achieve their goals was the monarchy.

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Liliuokalani was clear in her position that she stood against annexation, and thus the

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members of the Committee for Safety knew that they had to actually overthrow the queen,

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which is what they paved the way to do in order to help pave the way for the United

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States to have no reason to not annex.

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On January 14th, 1893, Queen Liliuokalani gave a speech indicating her intention to

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invalidate the Bayonet Constitution.

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She made clear she would not seek to, quote, deprive one white man of any legitimate right,

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but she quite accurately also pointed out that, quote, any newly arrived white man without

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interests or intention of residence is placed as a voter above the heads of thousands of

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my subjects to whom God had given these islands and no other home.

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She presented cabinet ministers with the new constitution that she wanted to enact, which

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they refused to sign before fleeing the government building, afraid of the crowds of Hawaiians

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who had gathered to support the queen.

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The Committee of Safety held a meeting on January 16th where they decided to frame their

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coming actions as purely a means to protect the lives and property of white citizens,

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pretending there was a noble reason for their clear incitement and conspiracy.

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Their reasons for framing the situation like this was because they knew that the U.S. military

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would not openly support their efforts to overthrow the queen, but they would intervene

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to protect U.S. citizens.

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If the illusion was created that that's what they were needed for, you could get the military

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into play.

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Charles Burnett Wilson, the marshal of the kingdom, caught wind of the overthrow plot

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and attempted to get arrest warrants for the members of the committee who were agitating

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against the government.

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But because they were all well-placed businesspeople with connections in the legislature, the requests

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were denied.

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His quote at the time was, I don't think they're really interested in safety at all, guys.

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I think this whole name thing, I think they're fucking with us.

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Knowing that there was trouble brewing, Wilson started gathering a posse to try and protect

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the queen, but it was pointless.

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The committee had used their narrative to bring the U.S. military into the city and

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the defenders of the throne were no match for the forces behind the coup.

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Liliuokalani surrendered and the committee conspirators took over the government, installing,

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you guessed it, Stanford Dole as the president, who is the cousin of James Dole, the plantation

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of Lanai owner.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So you're saying that there is like this whole intertwined political business kind of circumstance

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going on.

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It's a good thing that America grew out of all that and now we're the champions of democracy

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abroad.

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Right, Dan?

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Sure.

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Freedom.

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Stanford Dole was like leading these groups or at least was like a big agitator in these

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groups and his cousin owned Lanai and was the plantation empresario.

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So their plan seemed like it worked out perfectly.

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And now it was time with Dole in charge, it was time for the U.S. to come and annex Hawaii.

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Unfortunately Grover Cleveland was president at the time and he wasn't into this kind of

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imperialist shit.

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Cleveland actually advocated for Liliuokalani to be restored as queen, so he was of no help

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to these plotters.

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Hey guys, real quick, I'm going to try and do the whole America believes the bullshit

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that we say about ourselves thing real quick.

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So business owners, I'm sorry, I'm not going to get you back on this one.

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Please make sure that my terms are consecutive.

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All their coup work seemed to be for nothing.

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Not one to be discouraged, Dole declared Hawaii an independent republic, waited a few years

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until McKinley came to office who agreed to annex the island.

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And that, Jordan, is how Hawaii came to be a part of the United States.

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It was a sneaky, brutal series of plots carried out by white settlers and business interests

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for the express purpose of disenfranchising the native populations so their business could

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prosper.

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A gorgeous and rich history and culture subjugated to the interests of higher profits and increased

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sugar exports.

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And that's why we sing God Bless America before every baseball game.

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That's pretty much exactly what Alex wants for the Inuit people of Greenland.

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Yeah.

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On the one hand, I didn't enjoy the kids at my elementary school would call me Howley

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when I was when I lived in Hawaii, but when you understand this history a little bit better,

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it kind of makes sense.

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So on behalf of King Kamehameha and Queen Liliuokalani, I take this opportunity to say,

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Alex Jones, you're a goddamn Howley, you fucking asshole.

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Go swim with the Humuhumunukunukuapua'a and I wish you a mele kalikimaka.

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I really don't want you to say those words where he might come close to trying to pronounce

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them.

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Humuhumunukunukuapua'a.

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Oh, God dammit.

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It's a state fish.

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Yeah.

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Oh, is it?

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I did not know that.

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Mele kalikimaka means Merry Christmas.

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Yes.

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That one I do know.

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In Hawaii.

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Because there are songs.

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Yep.

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Those are about all the Hawaiian words I remember.

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All right.

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I knew a bunch more at a certain point, but yeah, I, you know, that one, that one's a

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little bit more of a terrible example for Alex to be using just because of how explicit

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it is and how like known the history is.

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Yeah.

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Like it's not something that, like it's a legit conspiracy that was carried out to overthrow

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the monarchy.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Of Hawaii for the explicit purpose of helping with these sugar plantations, the pineapple

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plantations, the missionaries.

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Right.

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Like it was, it was a coup.

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It's something that Alex should not be in favor of.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yet he's using it as a great example of American expansion.

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There's a coup, the coup already occurred in our fucking 2016 election.

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Like why did Georgia become a, you know, why didn't, why did Brian Kemp win is because

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of voter suppression.

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It's because he had control over who was allowed to vote.

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Why did Trump win?

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Because of voter suppression.

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Because we were, we work under this electoral college system that is fucking stupid.

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They steal elections.

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Why did George fucking W Bush, but they steal elections to him.

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There's no way there's going to be a free and fair election in 2020 anyways.

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What are we talking about?

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Well, we got some more examples.

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Okay, good.

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Good.

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Philippine islands.

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Terrible idea.

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Purchase a bunch of that from Spain.

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Uh, wait, did he just say that the Philippines islands was a terrible idea?

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Well, getting them was a terrible idea cause we bought them from Spain, which is not true

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at all.

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Right.

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But aren't we supposed to be mentioning good purchase?

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No, no, no.

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He's saying it facetiously.

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Oh, okay.

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Terrible idea.

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Gotcha.

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We bought them from the United States.

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We didn't buy them from Spain.

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We seized the islands in 1898 after the Spanish American war and installed a military government

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on the island, fearing that if we didn't, the Japanese would come in and take over.

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This naturally led to a three year long Philippine American war where Filipino nationalists continued

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their fight for independence just against us this time because we were the one colonizing

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them.

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Dan, you're really not telling positive stories about American history.

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Certainly not.

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Dan, I really would like to hear more positive things about white people.

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I would if Alex brought up examples for me to talk about that, but he's trying to glorify

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all these examples of horrible times.

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Tens of thousands of Filipino soldiers, as well as civilians, were killed in that conflict.

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The list of war crimes committed by U.S. forces in that war is a very long one, and I don't

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want to get into it, but it definitely did not include killing entire villages of people.

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Whatever the case, the war resolved and the U.S. put in a transitional government that

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would give way to the Philippines being an independent country, which was achieved in

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1935.

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This lasted a few years until they were occupied by Japan in World War II and the government

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was sent into exile.

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After that, the country went on to become independent again and joined the U.N.

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Then, of course, came the rise of the brutal dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

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Excuse me, I meant to say brutal U.S.-backed dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

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Excuse me, I meant to say brutal U.S.-backed dictator and Roger Stone client Ferdinand

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Marcos.

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Marcos ruled the country for 21 years and terrorized his people and stole a shitload

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of money.

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When Alex is citing the Philippines and citing it as some kind of an example of positive

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U.S. involvement, it is an indication that he legitimately has zero idea what he's

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talking about, or he's super into people like Ferdinand Marcos, and honestly, these

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days, I'm not sure.

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Yeah, no, absolutely.

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I'm not sure what it is.

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Yeah, no, of course he is.

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Of course he is.

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I don't know what...

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If he likes Duterte now, why wouldn't you love him, Ferdinand then?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that's it for the examples.

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Is it?

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Yeah.

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So that brings us to the end of this list, and I mean, I don't think he's made any

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cogent argument here in terms of why it's not dumb to suggest to buy Greenland.

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Most of these aren't purchases.

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Most of them were brutal exploitations of native people.

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Yeah, but not white people, so it's fine.

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And they were profitable.

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I don't disagree with that angle on it, but if that's the only vector you're using to

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determine whether or not this was a good thing that happened, you are going to justify anything.

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Let's not even get into for whom were they profitable.

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Say, okay, so you say the Louisiana Purchase was profitable.

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Definitely wasn't profitable for the people who were already living there.

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And frankly, it's not even that profitable for the people who moved there, but it sure

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as fuck is profitable for the giant people who...

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The giant business owners who fucking make a shit ton of money, excluding all the people.

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Yeah.

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So when I started out to do this episode, I was hoping to cover Friday, Sunday, Monday

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even.

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Do a big stretch of present day stuff.

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Welcome back.

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But that was so crazy that I was like, well, I don't think I can get past the 16th.

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That's a legitimately insane thing that Alex is trying to argue just because his hero said

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something stupid.

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Just to defend that, he has to go all the way to advocating for colonialism to return

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for the United States in a terrifying fashion.

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So now he jumps off that and we get to just some dumb defending Trump but other stuff.

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Shit.

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This is really stupid.

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Yep.

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Trump's an idiot.

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He's a bad guy.

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Yep.

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Well, you just heard the former deputy director of the FBI.

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He said the Trump supporters are like a terrorist.

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Last week, he said Trump lowered the flags to half staff to Heil Hitler because he knows

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leftists will actually believe that.

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Yes.

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He ordered them lowered on a certain date and brought back up another to salute Hitler

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because it was 8-8.

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Not many people know that a very small group of prisoners like the number 88 because it's

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the number of the alphabet, it kind of becomes a schizophrenic thing that 8-8 is 8.

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And so H-H-8-8.

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A small group of prisoners believe that?

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Oh, man.

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That's me because he does protest too much on that one.

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Just a small group of prisoners, Alex.

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Right.

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I could get into the numerous times that frequent past Alex Jones guest Jack Pessobic has tweeted

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out weird things about 1488.

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But let's leave that alone for now.

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It was a good year, Dan.

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It was a good year.

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Sure.

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So Alex is referencing an appearance made by Frank Figliusi on the 11th Hour, that show

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on MSNBC.

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This dude's a former counterintelligence guy for the FBI and he spent a ton of time researching

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and studying extremist groups.

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So when he was appearing on the show, he pointed out that lowering the flags, it's not lowering

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the flags, it's re-raising the flags on 8-8 is probably a bad publicity move that would

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be interpreted as hailing of Hitler by people who wanted to see it as that.

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He was very clear that he wasn't saying that Trump did it deliberately, but was saying

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that the state of the extremist community on the right currently is such that something

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like this will likely be seen as some indication of tacit support.

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The lowering was meant to be about the El Paso and Dayton shootings, which were on August

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3rd and 4th respectively.

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So the argument essentially was that it would have been a wiser or safer PR move if the

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flags would have been chosen to be re-raised on any other day.

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Since it wasn't a timely thing, it wasn't a speed thing, it wasn't like, we gotta raise

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it as soon as possible.

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You can raise it on the 9th if you want, it would have been just as easy.

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So what he was saying is that the White House, if they understood the white supremacist movement

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in the country that they were dealing with, someone would have advised him against doing

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it on 8-8.

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Really, the main criticism seems to be that Trump and his people seem unaware of the reality

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of the extremist movements in the country.

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It doesn't seem to be criticism that Trump is racist or a Nazi or anything like that,

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just that he's not getting good advice that could possibly avoid sending the wrong message.

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From that, Alex gets that a former deputy director of the FBI is on TV calling Trump

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his supporters Nazis.

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I feel like you wouldn't make that kind of misleading leap generally unless there was

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a part of you that was worried about people rightly calling you a Nazi.

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I think this is a doth protest too much.

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If you get defensive too fast, that's when you know what you're actually afraid of revealing.

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You're trying to create the idea that any criticism of you is saying that you're a racist

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or a Nazi because you know eventually valid criticisms of you being a racist or a Nazi

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are going to come up and you want to preemptively be like, oh, all criticisms of me, they just

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say I'm a racist.

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Right.

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But by doing it too preemptively, you reveal that you're just too open with it.

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And that's kind of a big part of Alex's career.

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Exactly.

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Well, he's the weakest link.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has, this is a little bit of an ad piece that he has, and you'll see how he's

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trying to raise money now.

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But first, let me just remind folks of this.

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We're only here because of you.

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And in the last two weeks, the Democratic Party has filed two more lawsuits on me for

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Sandy Hook because they believe that the Court of Appeals is going to throw their lawsuits

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out coming up in September.

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The Democratic Party hasn't done that.

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Sandy Hook parents have.

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No, it was the DNC.

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It's parents.

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And I would suggest that actually more lawsuits is a very bad sign for Alex because these

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parents wouldn't be filing these lawsuits if it looked like the other ones were going

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to fail.

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Yeah.

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The only reason that they would add more lawsuits is like, oh, my God, this is actually going

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to work.

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We're actually going to have our voice heard.

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Yep.

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I think that this is a terrible sign for Alex.

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And of course, that's what he would use to try and fundraise.

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Like I'm going to need I've got more legal fees, guys.

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I got more fucking fights.

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And that's why we've got Norm Pattison to actually directly ask you for the money that

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I'm going to pay.

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I'll actually I think Norm is I want to let people know that I'm not as interested in

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your case as I want to help defend this ice guy who tried to drive over people.

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Oh, boy.

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Cool.

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Yay.

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So Alex has some guests on the show.

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Can he.

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OK.

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Norm was on earlier, but his is so boring, I just don't care.

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So we have this this guy coming up.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back live broadcasting worldwide.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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Greg Coppola is a senior software engineer at Google currently who has been placed on

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administrative leave 24 hours after publicly suggesting the company is politically biased.

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The man said the sky is blue, grass is green project Veritas released an interview with

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him.

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We're going to play about two minutes of here in a moment where he exposed Google's dishonest

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methods and practices, among which are political bias, boosting and boosting of search results

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for specific websites, perjury of Google CEO Sundar Pichai to Congress and other questionable

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practices.

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I want to play this.

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So we got this guy, Greg Coppola, who was featured in a project Veritas video.

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I heard Alex announced that he was going to have this dude come on and talk about how

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Google is trying to crush conservatives, and I just let out an exasperated sigh.

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I'm so tired of these clunky ass attempts at journalism from James O'Keefe, I just can't

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stand them.

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They're all equally bad and misleading, but they're exhausting.

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They're exhausting to get into.

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Yeah, that's what he's doing.

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The more time you have to spend reacting is the less time you spend doing something valuable.

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Right.

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It's the name of the game.

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I decided that instead of even caring about Alex's interview with this guy, I was going

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to watch the Project Veritas video to see if I should even give a shit about what this

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guy is claiming to be a whistleblower about, namely that Google is trying to election medal

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by silencing conservatives.

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I legitimately had to turn off the video long before it was done, because this guy is saying

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fucking nothing.

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He says that the way Google is censoring conservatives is that they only aggregate a small number

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of sources for their news category, you know, the Google search and the news results, and

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that those news sources are, quote, vitriolically against President Trump, which I consider

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to be interference in the American election.

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I decided to put this to the test by just Googling Donald Trump, clicking on the news

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tab and seeing what comes up.

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The second result was from Fox News.

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The third result was from USA Today with a scathing headline, quote, Barron Trump is

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taller than his mom, even in her heels, and he's sporting a new haircut.

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A little further down, the results get...

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Just so you know, I am rooting now for climate change to get rid of humanity.

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In case you were wondering.

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A little further down, the results, you get an article from the National Review, the outlet

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founded by notorious leftist William F. Buckley.

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There's another article from Fox News, quote, Heather Macdonald, Trump is not the one dividing

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us by race.

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His rivals are obsessed with, quote, white privilege.

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And another one, there's another Fox News article, quote, John Voight declares Trump

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is greatest president of the century.

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Okay.

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Here are some of the clearly leftist leaning publications that are included in Google's

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news search, Footwear News, Sporting News, WebMD, Wine Spectator, Men's Health, and,

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of course, Fish Stripes, the only podcast you need to know about if you're a fan of

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the Miami Marlins.

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All of these sites and tons of others show up in Google's newsfeed.

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So I kind of suspect that this guy just might be talking shit and people like James O'Keefe

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really want to listen whether or not what he's saying is in any way accurate.

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I'm really not comfortable with this pro-Marlins propaganda that you're throwing on our show

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now.

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Fish Stripes.

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I'm not comfortable with that endorsement.

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Free plug.

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Nope.

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I do not endorse this.

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The Miami Marlins are an evil organization.

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It may be, but their podcast shows up in the news section of Google.

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Great.

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The second thing that this dude says is that 20% of all searches for Donald Trump go to

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an article from CNN.

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Jordan, how many CNN results do you think I found in the first page of Google News by

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searching for Donald Trump?

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First page, that's like what, 15 results?

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Seven.

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Seven results?

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Zero.

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There was zero.

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There were two results from Fox News on the first page, though.

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So out of two stories displayed, I don't know if you know this, two out of seven is more

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than 20%.

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It does seem like that.

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Two out of the 10 stories on the second page were about Trump from CNN.

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So that would be 20% if it weren't for the first page, because now we're up to two out

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of 17, both for CNN and Fox.

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After that point, there were about two stories per page from CNN.

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But that doesn't necessarily mean anything nefarious.

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CNN puts out a whole lot of content.

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And looking through the search results and where they seem to come from, the places that

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put out a lot of material and aren't named Infowars seem to pop up most frequently.

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Fox News, Politico, Washington Post, CNN, the AP, Reuters, The Hill, Guardian, USA Today,

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and then you have some of the other folks sprinkled in.

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A Rolling Stone article here, a National Review article here.

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I don't really see much that seems fishy here.

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But honestly, without what I would call proof, I think it's a perfectly reasonable assessment

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for why there's a whole lot more content that appears to be negative about Trump is that

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he's doing a lot of negative things.

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No one would write a story about him being an idiot for wanting to buy Greenland if he

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hadn't said he wanted to buy Greenland.

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There wouldn't be stories about him getting into a petty fight with the mooch if he hadn't

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gotten into a petty fight with the mooch.

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Asking for the media to cover negative things that Trump does in a positive way or decrying

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that they don't is essentially asking or saying that you're mad that the press isn't a controlled

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arm of the state.

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And I don't really have a lot of time for that position.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for finally saying it.

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Right.

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If you're demanding positive coverage of things that are pretty negative, I don't...

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Like what do you want, CNN to write an article about, isn't it awesome that Trump and mooch

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are fighting?

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Yes!

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Why aren't you doing this?

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Isn't it great that our fearless leader president is willing to confront his critics head on?

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Man-to-man.

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See?

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I wrote your CNN article.

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Next.

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Give me another headline.

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I'll rewrite it.

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Pro Trump.

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I really didn't see anything worthwhile in this guy's comments, and he kept couching

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all of his answers to questions when he was asked.

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Instead of saying that there was bias, you'd say he believes there is.

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He seems actually resistant to saying anything that's something that people could nail down

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and demand evidence of.

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There's also one point where he says that he doesn't actually know what Google is doing,

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but he says, but what they do do, and then he smirks at the camera almost cracking himself

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up because he said doo-doo, which is suspicious.

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This is not something I'm going to take too seriously, and he helped me not take him too

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seriously when he told James O'Keefe, quote, I don't have a smoking gun.

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That's putting it way too strongly.

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He doesn't have anything except notions.

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O'Keefe basically got a guy who works at Google to say, I have nothing to back anything up

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other than my own thoughts, but I think all of your anti-media propaganda is totally right.

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It's possible that this guy is pranking O'Keefe.

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He seems really squirrely and constantly doing looks to the camera and smiling like he's

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Jimmy Fallon trying to keep it together in an SNL sketch.

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Is he zacking from Saved by the Bell?

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I don't know.

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There's a weird vibe he's giving off, but that just could be like social awkwardness

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or something.

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I don't know, but I do extend the possibility that this is a prank.

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It's probably not, but it's possible.

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Why not?

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Another possibility, which is way more likely, is that this guy is just a right-wing weirdo

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who believes all the propaganda narratives put out by the extreme right-wing media like

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Alex, Project Veritas, and Tucker Carlson, which are weirdly the three places I've seen

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him pop up for interviews.

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Some of my reasoning for this.

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When he talked about CNN showing up in the news feed, he seems to think they shouldn't

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because Trump has called it, quote, very fake news.

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He also suggests that all it would take to skew the news results at Google would be a

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few people working in a secret project, but he doesn't in any way indicate that he's aware

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that such a project exists, so he's kind of just speculating and talking shit in the same

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way that Alex does and all this other right-wing media does.

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He says, quote, I think the way that Google works, the way the Democrats work, the way

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their allies work in the media, they don't really want a lot of questioning of anything.

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They just want to call people names and get them to toe a certain kind of line.

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Man, it sounds like I've heard almost that word for word from other places where you

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might have heard that from.

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Right.

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The way that Google works, the way the Democrats work, bundling that all up.

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And he says that immediately after saying that at work at Google on a day-to-day basis

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that everyone knew that he liked Trump and no one cared, so I don't know what he's responding

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to.

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This interview is shit.

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The guy isn't saying anything, and the best way to sum it up is that this is yet another

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Project Veritas video.

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These tech companies absolutely do need to be addressed.

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There are serious problems that need to be taken care of.

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But I know these guys well enough to know that I cannot find common cause with them.

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There's superficial agreement with the position I would have.

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The agreement is about what the problem is, or describing the problem.

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That covers up a massive disagreement underneath about why we think something is a problem.

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So fuck all this.

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It bothers me because either they know exactly how cartoonish they're being, because literally

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what they're doing is saying, okay, we need content that says what we want it to say,

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but we can't get that content, so we'll make some content and just say it says what we

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wanted it to say.

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That's cartoonishly evil.

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That's cartoonish.

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But the manipulation seems to work.

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It works, but you can't be that stupid about it and get people to believe you, but apparently

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you can.

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You're living in a Captain Planet episode, and somehow people are not realizing that

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bad guy is the guy who looks like a giant rat.

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They're like, that guy seems like he's got some good ideas about the environment.

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It's weird.

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It is weird when you take a step back and look at it through a wider prism.

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So I decided that I wasn't going to cover at all this guy's interview with Alex, because

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I really felt like the chances are this guy just has a bunch of paranoid notions about

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elaborate conspiracies, and he probably got them from Alex to begin with.

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So it seems like it would be pointless to hear him repeat those back to Alex so Alex

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can say, I was right all along.

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Right.

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It's the feedback machine.

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Yeah.

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And I kind of was like, ah, fuck this.

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I don't even care about his interview.

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I watched the Project Veritas video, who gives a shit?

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But it actually goes a little bit off the rails.

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Because he's a fan of the Miami Marlins?

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No.

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Okay.

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But it turned into like, oh, I guess we'll cover it.

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So in this first clip, Alex is talking to this Coppola guy, and the two of them seem

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to think that Twitter is suppressing them, because they don't have enough followers.

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I mean, it's interesting on the Twitter thing.

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I mean, I got 9000 followers in the first two hours, and I haven't had any more followers,

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even after I went on Tucker Carlson, even after the President Trump retweeted me.

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So I think they're getting maybe cute.

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I don't know.

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But I think that's one of the problems is we don't have transparency.

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So it's kind of just like he said,

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My son went on Twitter a month ago.

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He got 10,000 in, like you said, two hours, and then it stopped there.

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Even though he's had videos with a half million views, and everybody's saying they're trying

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to follow him, they're just not able to.

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I don't believe that for a second.

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Maybe those 9000, 10,000 are about the market that is interested in following you on Twitter.

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Like maybe there's a lot of like older people who watch Fox News that watch Tucker Carlson

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that aren't on Twitter.

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Maybe the people who are, you know, there's plenty of, maybe the bot networks that overinflate

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a lot of people's viewer accounts and like follower accounts, maybe they haven't picked

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up on you yet.

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So I mean, there's plenty of reasons why like, yeah, 9000 followers for you appearing in

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a Project Veritas video that has like maybe 2000 likes, the Project Veritas tweet about

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it.

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So your video got 2000 likes from the main account that put it out.

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You ended up with 9000 followers from that?

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That seems like normal metrics.

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I don't see anything suspicious about this, but they're turning it into proof that they're

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being blocked.

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I do like that ability to blame any amount of success or lack thereof on secret conspiracies.

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It is really, really comforting.

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Like I wish I could just say of my comedy career, the reason that I'm not on TV is because

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a large group of people have been oppressing me.

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Well, I mean, you do hear that from a lot of comics.

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Yeah, that's true.

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You do hear a lot of...

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That is true.

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God damn it.

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People are fucking stupid.

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That's easy.

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It's a very appealing, it's an appealing mindset to have, and I'm glad that in the long period

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of time where no one was listening to our show, we didn't succumb to that sort of rationale

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for why no one was listening.

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Honestly, I think we're succumbing to the opposite now.

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Is there a conspiracy of people trying to make us feel better about ourselves for a

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little bit?

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Is this a make-a-wish situation that we're living in right now?

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Right.

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Is there a trap?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Are we about to get eaten by some sort of weird alien race?

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They're fattening us up?

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It's possible.

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So in this next clip, Coppola makes a absurd statement.

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I mean, honestly, being able to go viral is almost like a human right in the 21st century,

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so I think we really need transparency around why certain things can trend and why certain

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things can't.

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I am amazed by that level of human rights argument on a show that argues against a lot

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of really basic human rights.

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The idea that, first of all, having a social media account even is a human right is crazy,

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and then the idea that you have the right to go viral is insane.

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That's nuts.

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That's astonishing.

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That is a batshit level of entitlement.

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I can't even process.

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Right.

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And this is from this Google whistleblower.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Well, if everybody has a human right to go viral, then we're going to be really inundated

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with a ton of terrible content.

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That is the definition of delusions of grandeur.

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It doesn't get more grandiose than, like, if the only possible reason the world does

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not instantly all kowtow to my whim after my whistleblowing video is because somebody

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is suppressing it and they're destroying my human rights.

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To go viral.

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To go viral.

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Woof.

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Yeah.

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Woah, boy.

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So Alex complains about his stake in the social media game by bragging about his appearance

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on Rogan.

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Take Joe Rogan's podcast, he admits that they even shadow banned it, but it's had something

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like 50 million views on all the platforms.

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It's bigger than a Elon Musk by over 10 million.

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What about Bernie?

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It's the biggest podcast he's ever done, but because it's the biggest thing he ever did,

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it's too dangerous to ever basically probably have me on again.

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So again, being most popular now and being what humans agree with, that's now verboten.

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Alex seems to be forgetting that he did go back on Rogan.

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Yes, he did.

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Like, I don't, I don't, I don't, like, this is crazy.

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We should be allowed to outlaw clearly fake words invented for bullshit.

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Shadow banned.

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If you say shadow banned, get the fuck out of here.

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But it is a real thing, just not in the sense that they're using it.

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None of these people are using it the way it's intended.

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It sounds fucking spacey and like it's in the movies of Hackers and it's like, yeah,

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shadow banned.

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Well, up to this point, this interview is largely what you'd expect, sort of retreading

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of the Project Veritas video.

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And it is exactly that, like, what I didn't care to cover.

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For sure.

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It's not interesting.

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It's what you'd expect.

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Alex trying to validate his victimhood through this guy who doesn't seem to have any real

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information, just senses of things.

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And so that's not good.

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And this next clip is why it ended up becoming something that I needed to talk about.

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And that's because Alex brings in another guy from Google.

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So Zach Voorhees, I thought, made history yesterday.

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It was totally blacked out, except for DreadsReport.com and viewers and listeners of the show, which

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is millions of people.

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But we're talking to Greg Coppola, who was a senior engineer, highly respected, put on

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leave when he went public a month ago at Project Veritas.

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And he's saying he thinks that Zach Voorhees is the Ed Snowden whistleblower so far.

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I certainly thought it with the documents he put out that are incredibly damning that

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we'll put on screen for TV viewers that Alex has read those documents now.

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So Zach Voorhees, not to be confused with Alex's source, Zach, is another Google whistleblower

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who Project Veritas is promoting.

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He was interviewed by James O'Keefe and almost immediately journalists ran into some problematic

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information.

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No.

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God.

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Somebody put him back in.

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James O'Keefe should be in jail.

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Going through the Zach guy's Twitter account, people found him saying, quote, the narrative

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of QAnon has been more accurate than any news outlet, which might not be disqualifying on

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its own, but it's certainly a bad indicator in terms of a person's judgment and discernment.

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The problem goes deeper, though.

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When you look at more of his social media and you find that he's argued that vaccines

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cause autism, he was a big Pizzagate guy, and has made numerous accusations that the

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media and government are controlled by Zionists.

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Right.

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So he has an unimpeachable track record.

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He's even gone so far as to say that Zionists killed Andrew Breitbart.

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Oh, boy.

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Quote, it's very simple.

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Either you go along with the Zionists or you end up like Andrew Breitbart.

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He accuses, quote, Israel and the Zionist cabal for doing 9-11, which is insane since

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we all know it was Leo Zagami.

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He also...

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It was his fault.

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Yeah.

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He also uses the term ZOG, which stands for Zionist occupied government multiple times,

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and that is a huge problem.

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ZOG is not a term that casual folks use.

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It has a distinct place in the fringe worlds of antisemitism and white supremacy.

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His use of that term is a very strong indication that he himself is an outright white supremacist,

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or he takes in information from white supremacist sources so regularly that he's adopted that

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term, and either of those is not good.

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It is occasionally heartening to look at these awful people because, you know, a lot of people

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when you perceive a Google employee, you think somebody who's this brilliant top of their

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field, just a super genius level talent.

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And then you see this guy and you're like, oh, it could be any old asshole.

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You know, like when Trump became president, you had to admit, fucking, it doesn't matter

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if you know what you're talking about.

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Any idiot could become president.

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But at the same time with this, I don't doubt that Voorhees is probably very good at whatever

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tech stuff he does.

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For sure.

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For sure.

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But it does also occupy the same brain that believes there's a Zog.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Actually.

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It's also probably, you know, I'm putting this down to a dichotomy of him being an antisemite

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or taking in white supremacist antisemite content so much that he just absorbs it.

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I think it's probably more the case that he's an antisemite based on his use of sarcastic

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parentheses around words that he wants to denote Jewishness, like when he put them around,

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quote, the globalist media in a tweet.

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I think that the case for him being a big old piece of shit is pretty strong.

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Yeah.

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When these parts of Voorhees' belief system started to come up, Project Veritas accused

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sites like the Daily Beast of attacking the messenger instead of the message.

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They were engaging in ad hominem attacks because they were scared of what Voorhees brought

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to the table.

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That's what Project Veritas was saying.

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You know, his beliefs had nothing to do with the message.

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Also, interestingly, as documented by Will Summer, Voorhees immediately went back and

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started scrubbing his social media to erase all this antisemitic shit.

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Yeah, naturally.

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Because of course he did.

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Yeah.

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It's not true or fair to argue that bringing up this stuff is just attacking the messenger.

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It's very relevant.

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The documents he is releasing to a known publicity stunt fraud operation purport to show that

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there's a grand conspiracy against conservatives in the media.

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Criminal fraud organization.

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It's very relevant that this guy also believes that the Jews control the media and the government.

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So when he tells O'Keeffe that they're tampering with elections to overthrow the government,

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it's important to realize he believes that it's the Jews doing that.

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The message being put out on Project Veritas is overtly antisemitic because of this guy's

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beliefs that we have prior context to understand what he believes.

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But because O'Keeffe doesn't mention that aspect of his source, he's able to slightly

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obscure that reality and just present the information as unbiased and coming from a

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credible source when he might as well just be reading from a new high-tech version of

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the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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This isn't some extraneous piece of trivia about the guy.

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It gives content and shows why he might be trying to go out of his way to prove his theory

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and why he would stoop to being used by Project Veritas to do so.

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If his documents purported what they claimed they did, he would absolutely get a platform

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to release them on The Intercept or any number of places, other media outlets that would

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be interested in this kind of story.

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You only go to Project Veritas if what you have isn't great, but you want to make a splash

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in the right-wing media.

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And also if it is a human right for you to go viral.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, that is why you go to Project Veritas.

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So I looked over the documents that Voorhees released to Project Veritas, and one of the

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main pieces of evidence that he brought to the table is a list of blacklisted sites that

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weren't to be included in news search results.

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These included things like Google drives.

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People have their own Google.

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Of course that wouldn't show up.

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Yeah, no.

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That would be ridiculous.

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eBay results were excluded, which makes some sense too.

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And then a bunch of...

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Which partially because they have their own, you know...

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Yeah.

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And then there's a bunch of torrent sites, which might be a legal issue.

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The only other site that isn't one of those types of sites that's in their blacklisted

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site list is The Daily Stormer.

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Then there's another section of the list, which is, quote, sites with high user block

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rates, user block rates, which is to say users of Google block these sites themselves, and

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they're noting, oh, there's a really high, way above average instance of this.

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Gotcha.

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Okay, so they're not suppressing the search results.

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The people are choosing not to see these results in their...

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And possibly they're on a list because of that.

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Yeah.

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This is a list of sites that consumers have not wanted to see pop up in results, and a

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whole lot of those are things like angrypatriotmovement.com and girlsjustwannahaveguns.com.

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Admittedly, this list is largely conservative, but a whole lot of it is overtly antisemitic

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and white nationalist sites too.

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It's not just all conservative things, and that also includes sites like liberalamerica.org

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or modernliberals.com.

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They're probably spam organizations that have a liberal bend to them.

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Oh, it also includes Media Matters, Occupy Democrats, Wonkette, and that horrible conspiracy

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message board above top secret.

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The end of the document includes sites that have been flagged because they tried to create

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fake versions of real news sites like abcnews.com.co or cbsnews.com.co, which are obvious just

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trolling attempts.

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From this document, I don't see any indication that there's some kind of an internal censorship

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happening.

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What I see is an internal decision to block Torrance and the Daily Stormer, and then a

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giant list of sites that users have blocked at above average rates, with no indication

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that those sites are at all blacklisted too.

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I mean, I know for a fact that above top secret shows up in search results, since I regularly

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run into the site when I'm looking into Project Camelot stuff.

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So that piece of information doesn't seem good.

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If that's one of the big pieces of evidence, I say no.

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Well, the thing that they believe is that the free market means they'll be allowed to

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win, because they're obviously the most popular.

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So if the free market is saying they don't want us, that means that Google is manipulating

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those people into that blockchain.

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Because the only explanation is that they're supposed to win the free market of ideas,

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and somebody is suppressing them.

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So that idea of, you know, user block versus internal block doesn't mean anything to them.

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Nor should it.

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Because obviously users wouldn't block them.

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No, they're great.

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Users love them.

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Yeah.

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So another piece of evidence he's provided is a screenshot of a program to classify YouTube

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channels depending on how fringe their coverage is.

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What immediately jumped out to me from this screenshot is that it clearly says, quote,

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work in progress.

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So who knows if it was even implemented or even followed through on?

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It could have just been an idea.

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The other thing that jumps out is that there's a list of example ratings that the screenshot

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contains.

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The Wall Street Journal tops the list at 8.53 for their rating, indicating a low level of

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fringeness.

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Then you got Alex Jones down at a negative 1.56, which makes sense too.

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The Young Turks and the Huffington Post have substantially lower rates than Breitbart and

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Fox News, indicating that their coverage is seen as more fringe.

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This document, if anything, demonstrates a lack of political bias against conservatives.

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Yeah, I would say that it demonstrates the status quo heavily skews towards old white

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people.

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Perhaps.

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Strange.

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There are apparently thousands of documents that Voorhees released, but I'm absolutely

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not going to read all of them.

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He is clearly an anti-Semite who believes the Jews control the media and government

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are in the process of installing a Zog.

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In an effort to promote the idea that there's a giant conspiracy about controlling the media

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and the government, he reached out to Project Veritas, who chose to highlight those two

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documents that I have just pointed out.

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Those are the ones that they are pushing to the forefront.

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Then they show absolutely nothing close to what's being touted as what they're showing.

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All in all, this is exactly what I've come to expect from Project Veritas.

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And if there's some, oh, smoking gun in this pile of thousands of documents, then at best

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what they've done is a terrible job of presenting it, because the ones that they did point out

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are bullshit.

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So anyway, Voorhees sucks.

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If Occam's Razor at this point dictates that if there is a smoking gun or if there is any

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evidence at all that Google, Facebook, and all these people are going out of their way

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to suppress conservative voices, it would come through someplace, even, you know, some

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piece that has a high margin of respect, like The Intercept.

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The Intercept would totally put it out.

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Glenn Greenwald would jerk off to the notion if he could prove that they were doing it.

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And he's not the only one.

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There's tons of outlets.

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Tons of people.

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Not necessarily your CNN or whatever.

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I'm not going to hear about it from a guy who is a Zog, who believes in a Zog.

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I'm going to hear about it from The Intercept.

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So until The Intercept or somebody like that comes through with this, I'm going to let

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the Zog guy go based purely on his Zogginess.

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I don't need it.

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But it's important, like I know I already made this point, but it's important to recognize

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that those beliefs that he has clearly demonstrated by his social media presence and things that

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he's put out into the world is disqualifying for him to make arguments about, I don't know,

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someone trying to control the government and media.

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Because we already know what he believes about that.

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Exactly.

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It's a big problem.

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Yeah, you're out immediately.

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I don't need to read any of your documents if you're also the guy who's like, and the

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Zionists run the media.

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So at this point, Alex decides that he's going to let these two have a bowl session and let

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them take over the show.

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I'm going to stop there for the hour.

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I think we should have Greg Coppola here with our next guest who's joining us, Zach Voorhees

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at Perpetual Maniac on Twitter.

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You guys have a discussion here, meeting each other, talking to each other.

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Go ahead.

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What?

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Hey, Zach.

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What's up?

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Hey, Greg.

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What are we doing?

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I don't know.

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I think, I mean, Alex does constantly butt in after this, but I think his idea was like,

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I want to eat lunch.

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Yeah, that has to be it.

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Let these two guys talk.

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I'm going to eat lunch.

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Yeah.

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But he keeps butting in because he thinks that this is some kind of like world changing

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summit.

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He's brokered on the show and he says as much in this next clip.

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I had the crew all run through during the break and people came over from the other

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side of the office.

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They said, this is history.

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We've got two Google engineers that have the courage to go public, the first one and the

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second one.

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Others have just leaked stuff and they're there together interfacing for the first time

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live on an alternative system that Google and Facebook and Twitter and Apple didn't

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want to exist.

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They knew it would threaten them in the future if it was here to challenge their information

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dominance.

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This is like Stalin, Churchill and FDR.

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This is crazy.

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This is a meeting.

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This is the Lincoln-Douglas debates is what's going on.

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It's amazing.

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History.

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History is being made by this appearance on Alex Jones's fucking stupid show that he spent

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most of defending the idea of buying Greenland.

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Frost Nixon is coming up.

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I got these two heavy hitters.

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So in this next clip, Greg Coppola, he's talking about like, man, everybody hates social media

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. So why aren't other ones successful?

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I was gonna say half of America is really being kind of antagonized by tech parts.

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They're not happy.

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It's the same thing in every country.

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So shouldn't somebody be able to get rich off of this and just catering to these other

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people if, you know, there really was a free market?

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Well, that's what's been said.

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What if Trump or others got together and promoted a new startup?

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Everyone would leave immediately.

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That's the Achilles heel.

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There's no bloody revolution.

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There's no lawsuits.

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There's no antitrust.

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Just OK, Google.

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OK, Apple.

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F you.

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I can actually tell you why this hasn't worked.

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It's because the people who don't like these social media networks and do still want social

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media networks.

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There's a lot of people who don't like them.

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There's like, I'm going to get off this and go live my life.

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Yeah.

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They don't bother with this stuff.

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But the ones who leave and have to leave generally are Nazis and white supremacists.

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And when they create their own spaces that are free from the censorship of Facebook,

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they generally turn into violent, awful shitholes full of people saying some of the most vile

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shit in the world.

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Like, you see, you see it very easily.

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That's why this doesn't work.

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That's crazy.

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Which, if you are one of those white nationalists, you should kind of look at that as a microcosm

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of the nation that you would create.

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Would you have your way?

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It seems like you should.

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Should you have your white nation, it will look like when you have a white nationalist

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Twitter.

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Yeah.

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And that's not good.

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It looks like a place that's going to tear itself apart because the only people within

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your white nation are the people who want to tear everyone apart.

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It does.

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It does seem like it'll go that direction.

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Yeah.

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So now Alex is just loving having these two guys on.

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And there's not a ton of clips that I've cut of that because I don't really think their

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conversation was that interesting.

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But I do think it's interesting that Alex pulled one of his trademark moves in the middle

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of the conversation.

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Well, let me be the first to offer you gentlemen together once a week, whenever you want, a

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two hour show to say whatever the hell you want with no strings attached.

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I mean, the listeners love this, they love a real discussion.

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Alex just loves giving people shows.

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This is not a good way to run your organization.

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He offers everyone shows.

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Everyone gets a show.

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He offered Barnes a show, he's offering these two guys a show, he offered Mike Rotondo a

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show.

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I need content.

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I need it.

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He's offered Callers shows.

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It's just insane.

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Where's Old Man House Phone?

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Did he ever get his show?

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He might be dead.

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We miss him.

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R.I.P.

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Old Man House Phone.

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In this next clip, I admit that I only kept this in because I'm petty.

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No, it's like Monty Python when the knight that goes knit has had all his arms and legs

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cut off.

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It's like, it's done.

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You're wrong.

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No more getting obsessed with target fixation.

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Alex is wrong on two counts.

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I was going to say, you can't be wrong on both.

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Pick one.

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That's the Black Knight.

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The knights who say knit or the Black Knight, you can't say the knights who say knit are

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the Black Knight.

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God damn it.

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Thanks.

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You say knit.

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I love that it's so consistent, too.

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He says that all the time.

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He needs to go rewatch Monty Python.

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You know who wrote that sketch?

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Thomas Jefferson.

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That's right.

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So in this next clip, Zach Voorhees talks about how he was a part of Occupy.

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This is interesting because I think he says something that can't possibly be true.

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Yeah.

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So I was attacked by Antifa because I disrupted one of their events when they tried to take

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over Occupy Wall Street.

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And you know, they gave me death threats.

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And it's really funny because I've done more against fascism than all of them combined.

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Wow.

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I'm confused.

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You believe in a Zog.

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When did the group that the conservatives consider to be Antifa build their own fucking

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time machine and go back to Occupy Wall Street?

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There were groups that you could describe as anti-fascist that have existed for a long

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time in the United States.

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Yeah, but you know exactly what he's talking about.

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Yeah, it's absurd.

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It is absurd.

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The current preoccupation with Antifa does not extend back to Occupy Wall Street.

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No, it does not.

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He's inflating things for the sake of right-wing propaganda, which is not a good sign.

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And again, he believes in a Zog.

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So anyway, this interview wraps up and Alex gets kind of...

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This tete-a-tete.

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Towards the end of it, he starts to get into the spirit.

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Do you feel the spirit, guys?

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He wants them to talk about how back when they worked at Google and YouTube, they felt

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like downtrodden and like, oh, ugly, everything is bad.

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But once they started speaking out, the spirit changed.

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He wants to introduce a spiritual aspect to the fight that they're in.

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And that leads to a long esoteric ramble about how, if you just get into God, everything

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is great.

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Which, again, I think highlights this thing that Alex has expressed himself, that is,

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his show is primarily evangelical and he's using a lot of these right-wing things in

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order to get people in that direction of accepting Jesus or his version of Jesus.

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And so here's a little piece of that esoteric ramble that ends hilariously.

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There's nothing wrong with yachts.

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There's nothing wrong with beautiful women.

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There's nothing wrong with a 900 horsepower car.

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But let me tell you, it doesn't come close to promoting real human destiny and promoting

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a human future.

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It's so rewarding to stand up against this force.

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And so many people seem so enslaved.

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They have never tasted.

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They have never imagined communing with God, the higher level.

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And if you just once ever touch it, you'll never want anything else again.

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It's not like Christians, you talk about real Christians, not fake ones about, you know,

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I'm here alive, but I can't wait to be with the Lord.

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I can't wait to give...

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They don't want to die.

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In fact, that most of them are the longest-lived people over 100 years old.

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A lot of Christians are the longest-lived people because they're willing to give up their

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flesh.

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Why even throw it in?

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It hangs on because they're already touching heaven.

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And I'm telling you, folks, there's a whole new universe waiting for you.

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And something's happening here.

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The enemy knew it was coming, but we didn't believe their lies.

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We held the course.

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You held the course.

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Leo Zagami's been holding for 39 minutes.

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I apologize to him.

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He's an amazing author, researcher.

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Oh, God.

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I think probably...

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I want to hear that so much.

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I want that number to increase every time Leo Zagami is introduced.

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Leo Zagami's been waiting for 28 hours now.

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We're gonna have him on in just a second.

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There is true comedy in just like...

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I assume the people listening were like, why is Dan playing this kind of standard Alex

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talking about religion thing, rambling forever, and then be like, I've made Leo Zagami hold

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this whole time I've been rambling.

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Now let's get to him.

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He's Neo.

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He's Leo.

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And he's been on hold.

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He's got it all.

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He did 9-11.

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Let's keep it going.

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So Leo Zagami's on and I don't care.

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But I just want to play this one clip that he has where he expresses something that again

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is fucked up.

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It's the power of prayer, Alex, that is putting together all of us infowars against a clearly

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demonic force.

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So it's this agrigor that we are creating to oppose their own agrigor, which means fourth

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form.

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So we are definitely fighting an epic battle.

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So the infowar is brought together by prayer and they're creating an agrigor to fight this

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demonic agrigor, which we already know from the last time we talked about this is very

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clearly traced back to anti-Semitic ideas about the Jews creating a demonic entity called

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the agrigor that inspires them and is running communism or some shit.

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You know, that really makes me rethink that Jimmy James line in news radio.

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Oh, yeah.

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When I zig?

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Yeah.

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When they think I'm gonna zig, I zag.

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That's what I zag.

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When they think I'm gonna zag, that's what I zog.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately, a great joke is tainted by white supremacists.

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Once again, white supremacists ruined shit.

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Yeah.

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So the two of them just have a conversation about the Vatican.

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I don't really care.

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Sure.

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Fine.

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And so that brings us to the end of the episode.

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You get Neo Leo and this episode was crazy.

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I really wanted to cover more time, but I couldn't.

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I couldn't.

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I was outright justifying trying to buy Greenland by appealing to a ton of horrible things from

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the past and acting like they were purchases that we made in some form.

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And it's absolutely ludicrous.

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And then also this Google shit is a little bit whack and it's worth at least pointing

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that stuff out.

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But there's really not a ton of Epstein talk.

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Yeah.

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There is a little bit of like, we need to overhaul our education system.

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And I'll tell you who did a great job of doing that, Chairman Mao.

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He really overturned the whole educational system there.

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It was a win for everybody.

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It does have shades of that.

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It's just, it's ludicrous.

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It's crazy.

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And so I don't know, I think because of this being so weird and all that, I think we'll

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probably stay in the present for Friday.

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Just to try and get a little closer up speed, see if he's talking about some of the other

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issues in the world on other days, maybe just was really into this Greenland riff on this

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day.

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I don't know.

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So we'll see.

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And we'll be back on Friday and we will see that.

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But it's great to be back.

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It is great to Mr. Jordan missed doing this.

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I missed you too, buddy.

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Absolutely.

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But until we get back, people can check out.

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We have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yes.

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And we also are on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight and that go to bed Jordan.

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And we're on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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If you would like to download and listen to an episode of our show, Dan, you could go

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to iTunes.

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Oh, you could also go to our homepage at knowledgefight.com.

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I changed it from the most recent episode.

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That's no longer on the homepage because I felt like we have so many episodes.

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It's very hard for people to know where to start.

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And so I put up on there the episode where he interviews Bob Chapman about Reagan.

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Oh, okay.

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I'd heard from a number of people that that's a good intro.

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That's the best way to start.

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It's a good bottle episode.

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Reagan got pegged.

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Now you've spoiled it.

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But if people are looking for, because I do hear from people like I want to recommend

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the show, but I don't know what episode to suggest.

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Some people have said that that's a good entry point.

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And so I put that up on the homepage.

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So instead of just like saying I go to the iTunes, there's so many episodes, maybe that's

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a good place to direct people.

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You know what?

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That's a great idea.

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Yeah.

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So let's do that.

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Go to knowledgefight.com and listen to an episode with a shocking twist in the middle.

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And there's a bunch of talk about his weird commercials too.

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That episode was a lot of fun.

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But also until next time, I've been the Jesus lizard.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.

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