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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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When was the last time you bought a shirt, Dan?

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I, you know what, fuck you man.

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See, here's the problem with you.

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Your questions are so loaded now.

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Like there used to be random things and now you're

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just trying to lead me into a plug about how we have shirts.

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That's all you're doing, that's not interesting.

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That's an ad pivot in your question.

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Okay.

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That's something that we criticize Alex about and here you are manifesting it

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one minute into our show, sir.

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All right.

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We have shirts.

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Okay.

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We have shirts and long simmering resentment?

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Not long simmering resentment.

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Short simmering resentment?

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I'm not even resenting, I'm just saying that you're slacking in your duties.

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Your one job is to fucking ask a question at the beginning of the show and you have

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just turned that into a marketing opportunity, which I find disgusting and disgraceful.

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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So you're on timeout.

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I apologize.

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I apologize that we are...

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I mean, I just think, you know, it's an opportunity for interesting, random, obscure

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conversations pop up.

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Like someone on Twitter mentioned that we played a song on an episode and it made me

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realize, oh, that's right.

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That's right, I had a big Italo disco phase back.

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You could ask me something about, like, Italo disco.

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I was supposed to intuit that Italo disco was on the table?

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Certainly could have been an interesting conversation.

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That's possible.

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Instead, fucking plugging shirts.

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Gross.

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Yes, yes.

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Crass capitalism.

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Yes, it's unfortunate.

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So anyway, there'll be a link up on knowledgefight.com to where you can get a shirt.

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And we currently have one design available that is a shirt that says knowledgefight on

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it with a note stuck to it that says call Larry Nichols.

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And we will have another design soon.

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I don't think that this is the best shirt possible, but it's something that we had to

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do since we talked about a call Larry Nichols shirt from the very jump.

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Yeah.

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So that's there.

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There'll be more coming in the future.

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We're working on it.

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Yeah.

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So Jordan, today we have an interesting episode to do.

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We'll be going over most of last week on Alex's show, particularly the days of April 15th,

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16th, and 18th.

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And that is because you were on vacation last week in Mexico.

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Unfortunately.

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And a lot of stuff happened that bears mentioning.

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Yeah.

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They rebuilt the Cathedral of Notre Dame, right?

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They already built it?

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Might have that backwards.

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They already fixed it?

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Might have that backwards.

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Well, it burnt down in 1359, right?

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Oh, that's right.

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Well, they had rebuilt it, but then it's something bad happened last week.

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Double burnt.

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Something happened last week.

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Well, I haven't checked Alex's show.

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I know you're in Mexico.

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So today we'll be going over those episodes and getting into the what with there.

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But before we do that, we got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and

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are supporting the show and we really appreciate it.

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So first, Christopher with a K.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Christopher.

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Next, Little Titty Baby.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much, Little Titty Baby.

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Next, Casey.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Casey.

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Nikolai, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Nikolai.

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Thanks, Nikolai.

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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who bumped up their donation a

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little bit.

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Someone who's donating on a basic level and bumped it up.

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So, Seamus, thank you so much.

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You are now a globalist.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark!

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Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bow!

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Thank you so much, Seamus.

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Thank you, Seamus.

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking,

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hey, I'd like to support the show like these guys do,

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you can also find a link to that on knowledgefight.com.

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There's a button that says support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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Indeed you can and it would be nice.

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So Jordan, today we are beginning our adventure on April 15th,

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which was Monday of last week.

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Yes.

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And that is the day that Notre Dame caught on fire.

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Right.

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And we will get to that a bit in the future of this episode,

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but most of Alex's show on the 15th is him complaining about Bernie.

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Sure.

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Nothing else is going on in the news.

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He's giving off a sense to me that he's very afraid of Bernie.

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There's a feeling that he's very worried about him being the candidate.

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Yeah, a lot of people are starting to get afraid of that.

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Well, so he's focusing on him quite a bit.

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He sent Millie Weaver and Caitlin Bennett, the Kent State gun girl,

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who now works for InfoWars, out to a rally and Caitlin Bennett got kicked out

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and she's making a real big deal out of it.

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Oh, of course.

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And so Alex has the two of them on to talk about going to the Bernie rally

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and it's trash.

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There's nothing worth covering there,

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but it is important to note that most of the show,

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I'm not kidding around,

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I would say a good 60% of the show Alex does in a Bernie impression.

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That is fantastic.

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And this clip, I believe, is indicative of how he's kind of lost himself in the character.

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They wrote laws where they don't have to pay the taxes

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and then the middle class almost pay all the taxes.

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Yeah.

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Yes, I don't know, man.

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I think that his impression is just getting wild.

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It's very staccato.

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We're in Lenny Fromme of Mice and Men territory, right?

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It's just, hey, he can't do it for long stretches of time, but he's really trying.

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And so he's just going on and on in this Bernie character

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and realizing I don't have the chops.

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Yeah, no.

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I can't stay inside this voice.

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I'm no James Adomian.

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No.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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His long form impression work is real disappointing.

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Lacking.

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And it's most of this episode to the point where I was listening to it and I'm like,

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I know that Notre Dame is on fire and what's going on here?

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Why are you just doing a Bernie impression of this whole fucking show?

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Does he have a picture in picture of Notre Dame burning as he's doing the show?

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As far as we know, he hasn't found out yet.

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Or the news hasn't broken or whatever.

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Gotcha.

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But in his next clip, Alex talks about how he's always right about everything,

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which he's said many times.

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But I keep in so you can keep in mind as we go through this episode.

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So I have this tendency to always go over all my evidence

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instead of just seeing what's happening like mainstream media does.

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And so I'll go over some of the evidence of it.

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But let me just do this for you right up front.

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Okay.

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I don't say this with pleasure.

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It scares the daylights out of me that we're basically the only broadcast

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that has studied the entire architecture of this takeover.

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Globalists.

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Drudge has done it some.

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Zero Hedge has done a great job.

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When it comes to really calling it, we're over the target.

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And I don't say that to go, oh, look, we're over the target.

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That's why they want us off air.

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What we're saying is the kill shot.

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So part of the conversation that he's talking about here, the context of it,

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is that he needs Trump to really act on Internet free speech

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because if he doesn't, Alex is going to diminish all of his returns.

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He's not as overt about that.

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The idea that I can't suck more people into my operation

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if I don't have access to those people and I will go out of business.

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I need Trump to act now.

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So he's trying to present it as this is a Soviet takeover or whatever.

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And we're the only ones who have been right about it all along.

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Which is why they've been kicked off as opposed to constant harassing

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and threats and so on and so forth.

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Yeah.

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The Soviets.

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Yes.

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But, well, you see, the thing is that social media, it's a nefarious thing.

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It's not just that they want to crush speech like Alex is.

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They also have some real gross plans for you and your family.

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Well, like what?

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And then once you're forced online to live,

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we can now take it away from you if you don't behave the way we want.

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And at first it's just saying you're a liberal

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and there aren't two genders and families are bad.

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Next, it's being sterilized.

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Next, it's signing up to have your mind uploaded to the Web

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so that your carbon body doesn't hurt the earth.

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But really, you won't be uploaded.

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It'll be A.I. that knows you, that's been watching you for 20 years,

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that knows how to mimic you, your voiceprint, everything you say.

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So your friends and family think, yeah, Carl or David or Carol or John or Sanchez.

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You know, they had pain and they were overweight and they were whatever.

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And, you know, there wasn't jobs for them anymore.

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It didn't matter.

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Now they're in a virtual silicon system that isn't bad for the environment.

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And, you know, he went in, they uploaded his brain.

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But, you know, you can't have two of those.

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The agreement is he has to die.

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That is the agreement.

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I told you 20 years ago they'd upload your brain.

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It's not going to really be uploaded.

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It's a fraud.

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But say you've got to die.

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You've got to give up your physical body in this rebirth.

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And, of course, the top scientists are now all over the news saying

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you must physically die to have your brain uploaded.

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Really?

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So it's a fat shimmeling.

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It's not you.

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It's a devilish counterfeit.

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So Facebook and all of their stuff is just sort of a first stage in terms of

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getting you to kill yourself to be uploaded as a false clone on the Web.

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Philosophical question.

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If your entire brain is uploaded and an AI is programmed to mimic perfectly

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exactly that, is there a difference?

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You know what?

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This is something that's been discussed by greater minds than ours.

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And some people believe there isn't.

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Some people believe that there is.

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I don't know.

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I don't have a position on it.

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Because what Alex is talking about is shit.

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It's nonsense.

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He's misrepresenting comments made by futurists to talk about like,

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well, there is a possibility of the idea of uploading a consciousness.

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Like if you imagine that as a possibility,

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but you would probably have to die in order to do it.

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It's not like saying, hey, I want to kill you so I can upload you.

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As if it's a real prospect that people are like, oh, we're going to do this now.

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, we got a weekend free.

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I do.

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I mean, there is something that whether or not it is part of an intentional

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advertising model or just sort of a side effect that we didn't know was coming

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of social media, I do think that there is something dangerous about the idea

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of living on these social media platforms in a way that your life is so

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different without them.

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Fully.

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You know, there is something that we all need to take a look at with that.

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Yeah.

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But I don't think it's the same thing that Alex is talking about.

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No.

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Absolutely not.

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I think that conversation is a little bit different.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is mad about this online censorship partially because it will lead

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to you being forced to kill yourself to become a clone.

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Of course.

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And then the other part is that he really wants to get back on social media

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so he can become a clone.

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I was going to say, there's a little bit of a contradiction here.

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Isn't he arguing to get back onto these platforms that he is also arguing

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are going to kill all of you?

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Who cares?

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He's not making any sense.

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Most of this stuff is really unimportant.

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I just kept it in kind of to give you a sense of how the beginning of this

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show is going as opposed to where it ends up going.

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So here is Alex talking about how Trump is the devil if he doesn't stop this

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Alex not being on social media, question mark?

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Okay.

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So if the president doesn't stop the censorship, of course he'll lose the

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election.

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Of course.

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Or maybe the president is the devil.

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Maybe the president is like Lucifer, incredibly deceptive, so deceptive he

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can even trick me.

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So hard to trick this Alex character is.

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To be fair, in the campaign, like early on before Alex was fully on board

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with Trump, as we saw in the 2015 stuff, there was this, like Alex did say

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either Trump is the most evil person in the world or he's the greatest.

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That's true.

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So he did introduce it as a dichotomy.

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He could go back to, like, I told you he might be the devil at the beginning.

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I just decided to work with him.

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I went 50-50.

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Look, sometimes it's true, sometimes it's false, sometimes you got to guess.

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You never know which way it's going to go.

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Messed up.

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So it is easy to fool Alex, again, as we'll see as this goes along.

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He could fool even me.

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Even me.

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Even me.

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The most resolute, logically minded person in the world, Alex fucking Jones.

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I like that he doesn't even present it as though, like he doesn't even have

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that big sarcastic voice to it.

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It's literally him like wrestling with the thought.

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It's not like him going like, or he could fool, he could have fooled me.

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It's him just being like, yeah, or he could be the worst and he tricked me.

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There's a damn good chance I have been hoodwinked.

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We know.

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So at this point, news of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, excuse me, Notre Dame is a college.

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College, yeah.

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Notre Dame, the news is broken and Alex reports it here.

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This clip isn't done, you make a great point, this isn't great music.

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But then also I noticed that they must have someone new behind the board or something like that.

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Yeah.

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Because the music is playing way too loud during Alex's intros and it does not fade out.

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Yeah.

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It should start fading out way earlier than it does.

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Oh yeah.

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There's clearly been some turnover in employees.

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This is amateur hour shit.

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What's this?

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900 years old.

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Notre Dame, there it is, and it's the big news.

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Been on fire for hours.

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It's a symbol of Christendom on fire with Islamic takeover of France.

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I think it's emblematic of what we're facing and what we're dealing with.

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Uh oh.

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So, but that's what you expect.

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That's almost even the best case scenario for Alex's immediate response.

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That this is a symbolic sort of thing.

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This symbolizes the West's fall or something like that.

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Because at least he's not putting any blame on anything.

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I'm surprised he hasn't already said there are 8 Muslim terrorists outside of his place

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starting a fire on Notre Dame while they're staring at him.

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100%.

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The fact that he's coming in and not screaming about this is even shocking to some extent.

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It's pyrokinesis.

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And I think part of it is because he is really into doing that Bernie impression.

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And he doesn't want to stop.

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He's distracted.

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He wants to keep doing, you know, I don't know.

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Sometimes you just expect something is going to go a certain way.

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Like you go to a show, you have a set to do and someone in the audience is like heckling

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or something and you're just like, fuck it.

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I came to do what I'm going to do.

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I'm not even going to engage with you.

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Notre Dame being on fire is kind of a heckle to him.

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I think that that's how he's experiencing it because the set that he wants to do is

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fucking full of Bernie impressions.

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How dare the news get in my way.

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Yeah, we should show them in Cuba, the Christians and in Russia.

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I honeymooned there where you could actually get in a jail cell and kick a Christian's

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eyes out and stomp their face in.

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I did it.

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I liked it.

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I'll do it again.

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I am superior.

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I am a communist.

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Getting serious.

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Notre Dame is an incredibly famous place.

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I wasn't gonna go to Paris.

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It is an Islamic, you know what hole now, an Islamic toilet, literally Notre Dame, the

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hunchback, the whole nine yards built in 1100 and something.

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I love that the idea there is he's like, Notre Dame is real sad.

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I wanted to go to Paris to see it.

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The hunchback, all that.

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The whole nine yards.

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As if he wanted to meet the hunchback.

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Yeah, well, he was there.

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Well, where is he going to live now?

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There is a sense that he's like, well, I missed my opportunity to meet that hunchback and

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that's a real damn shame.

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I heard he had the bell, you know, the whole nine yards.

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Yeah, that's a very strange way.

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But you can see here already, this is pretty close after.

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This is like the next break.

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He's already started to mention Islam.

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It's Muslim.

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Well, he's not.

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No, it's an Islamic toilet.

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Well, France is.

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France is.

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He's connecting those two ideas.

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He's anchoring Islam and Notre Dame being on fire in his audience's mind without saying

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anything overt or even really speculating about that.

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In his next clip, he says something kind of fucked up, but it's still sort of like more

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restrained than you'd expect Alex to be.

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That sucker is in flames.

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That is too bad.

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But it'll just turn into a mosque anyway, so maybe it's better.

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It just totally burns.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm not glad this happened, but I tell you it's better than the Islamists

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capturing it.

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Like we're in the Crusades and Saladin is going to waltz into Notre Dame.

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That's literally what Alex is saying.

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That's kind of what he's thinking, yeah, right?

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Not kind of.

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That's literally what he's saying.

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Better for this to burn than for the Islamists to take it over and turn it into a mosque.

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That's fucked up.

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That is really fucked up.

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But it does give you a sense of what he thinks the world is.

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You know, what the state of things are.

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It is Crusade shit.

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But at the same time, in the past when we've seen Alex cover stuff, like on the day of

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the Boston bombings, he's screaming it's a false flag.

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On the day of Sandy Hook, he's speculating pretty wildly.

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Here we have on April 15th, he's not doing that much.

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He's fucking saying Islam sucks, which is par for the course.

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That's part of any episode of his show.

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Notre Dame doesn't have to be on fire for him to say that.

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It's just, it's very strange.

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Also, his reaction being very much like, oh, that's a damn shame.

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That is a restraint.

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Yeah.

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I mean, even when he's doing smaller tragedies, he's never expressing any kind of, I don't

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know, regret or sympathy.

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This is such a strange thing for him to just very detachedly say.

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Well, what are you going to do?

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You know what?

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It's a testament to human engineering, but sometimes the out with the old, in with the

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new.

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I don't know why, but yeah, you're right.

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It is weird.

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Maybe he's tired.

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Yeah, could be.

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I don't know.

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He is excited to do the Bernie impression.

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Right.

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He's excited to talk to Millie and Caitlin about how they went to a Bernie rally and

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trying to score points from that.

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Right.

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And then also he's got Joe Bannister, that Tex guy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's April 15th.

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It's Tex guy.

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Yeah, of course.

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Of course.

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So they do a whole thing.

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It could just be a thing where it's like, I don't have time for this today.

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Yeah.

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I got a full show full of Bernie bashing and Tex shit.

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So it could be partially that, like he's like, why would I give away the show before I'm

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ready to do it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm not sure what it is, but there is something going on that is what you're describing that

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sort of responses very unlike him.

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Maybe he's getting his Bernie character rubbing off on him and now he's experiencing some

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sort of human emotions.

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I doubt it.

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You know?

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And also when Millie and Caitlin are there, they talk about how Alex went on Logan Paul's

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show and it's because Caitlin was also on Logan Paul's show, not too far back.

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Oh boy.

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And it's not really important.

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Anything they say, but Alex says this and I think it's ridiculous.

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I just, I just, I just, I just, I didn't realize what, I don't get broken in his crew and I

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didn't realize the guy's been a fan for like 15 years, so I don't get him in trouble.

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What?

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I think Logan Paul can, you can almost say he's like one of my children.

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I didn't realize that.

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So, so that, that, that's the problem.

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One of my bad children though, you know, um, how old do you think Logan Paul is?

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I have no idea who Logan Paul is.

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He's 24.

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He's 24?

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I want to say he's been listening to his show since he was nine.

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That's irresponsible parenting at best.

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Also since 2004, what kind of like syndication did Alex have in 2004?

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Where's Logan Paul from?

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Northern California, I guess?

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Probably.

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Alex has been penetrating into the NorCal market for a long time.

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I don't know if that's true.

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It's Austin and NorCal and then it spreads like wildfire from there.

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Those are his two big hubs, undoubtedly.

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I find this incredibly difficult to believe.

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And also I should say, I looked it up, Logan Paul just turned 24, so he's eight for nine.

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He's listening to Alex.

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If so, I have even more questions about Logan Paul's parents and how irresponsibly they

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raised this child.

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But I don't know.

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Logan, Logan, please just answer, please just answer the question.

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What is four plus nine?

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Globalism.

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Globalism.

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So here's the last clip from April 15th.

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And again, this is a demonstration of Alex being uncharacteristically cautious in his

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coverage of Notre Dame.

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Yeah.

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Well, out of the gate, I don't know how they know only five hours in, they say construction

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fire started.

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I hope that's true.

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What do they blame it on?

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The yellow vest or something?

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I mean, you never know.

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Well, I'm sure there'll be some parents that are gonna be mad at you for asking questions.

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So that's talking to Joe Bannister and sure, that idea of like, what if they blame the

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yellow vest or something like that?

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Yeah.

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That's still presenting that as a hypothetical.

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That's not saying they are going to.

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That's still within like really restrained Alex Jones rhetoric.

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Yeah.

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And the idea of like, I know he was saying it kind of glibly and dismissively, but like

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they're saying it was an accident.

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Maybe it was.

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Maybe it was.

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Yeah.

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That's shouldn't he be screaming about how this is the first step in the globalist plan?

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I expected it.

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Like they're taking away our monuments to force us towards the future in order to make

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us remove any kind of connection to our past and then we'll jump into the AI and teleport

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ourselves all over the universe.

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Like, isn't that what he should be doing right now?

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Shouldn't he be bringing some heat?

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Or given all of his rhetoric and his worldview about the idea of clashes of civilization

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and stuff like that.

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It should be like, this is proof of what I've been saying all along.

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And it's not on the 15th, although, okay, all right.

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The 16th comes.

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All right.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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He got the Bernie impression out of his system and here's where he's at on April 16th.

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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on this Tuesday, April 16th, 2016.

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2019 global broadcast.

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I'm your host, Alex Jones, obviously the tragic fire of a very important historic Christian

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site in Europe, in what's left of Islamic occupied France burned not to the ground,

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but into an empty husk to a great extent.

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And we are seeing the incredible response by European news, US news, even Fox news of

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trying to take anyone offline that says it should be investigated for arson.

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Well under French law, under EU law, under US law, under UK law, under common law, any

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big fire is investigated.

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No shit.

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And that's why you don't really have to argue on like publicly for it to be investigated

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because it's an automatic process.

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The only people who are saying we should investigate this for arson and that sort of thing are

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people who have a vested interest behind what they're arguing.

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They're arguing that it was Muslims, not that it should be investigated.

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That sort of thing.

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Yeah.

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So it's a bad faith investigation is what they're looking for.

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Well, no, it's a bad faith argument that they're making in favor of investigation because they

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know good and goddamn well that investigation is happening even as they're saying those

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words.

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Even if they were instead calling for no investigation, right?

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If they were just like, you know what?

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Let's chalk this one up to bad behavior.

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Let's not even worry about it.

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Or they're even imagining that the left or whatever, the globalist, you know, the biggest

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thing that the biggest fire that could possibly happen in France, the one fire, I mean, maybe

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the Arc Triomphe or maybe the Eiffel Tower might be bigger.

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Can you imagine the Eiffel Tower being on fire?

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That would be a crazy visual.

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Anyway.

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Yeah.

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It would melt from the top down.

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That'd be fascinating.

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It's patently absurd for this argument to be coming from people who are, I mean, let's

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be honest, noted Islamophobes who are saying there should be an investigation into this

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as if there is any voice publicly saying, stop investigating.

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Don't do that.

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Don't do that.

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It was an accident.

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Move along.

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Macron comes out and says, guys, I don't think we need to look into this one at all.

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Probably an electrical thing.

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Look over there.

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Look over there.

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Let's get out of here.

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We've already got bulldozers in there.

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It's flat now.

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I don't know what happened.

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Somebody buried it.

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Hey, you know.

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Hey, everybody.

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Here's my new puppet.

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It just pulls out a fucking puppet.

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I'm Notre Dame.

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How are you guys?

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Hey, guess what?

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Notre Dame never was not on fire.

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Little do you know.

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And don't look into that.

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Don't look into it.

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No one is fucking saying that.

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Why is he going to throw a smoke bomb down?

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Why not?

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It's completely absurd.

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And that's the kind of thing that Alex Alex wants the perception to be.

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There are there are people who are saying, I don't look into this, which is bullshit

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concept.

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Yeah.

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So.

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But he's still not really saying that it was arson or whatever.

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He's dancing around that line pretty nicely.

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He's doing the best he can to insinuate it.

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And then this next clip, he's he's trying to imply pretty heavily that Muslims were

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behind the fire.

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France is the main epicenter.

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Thousands of cars burned a month.

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People screaming Allah Akbar and that they're on a jihad.

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The U.N. reports that there have been in Europe 11 1063 churches attacked or burned down or

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defaced that have been reported.

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And most of those are in France.

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And I've got the report here where the U.N. reports that Christianity is the most persecuted

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religion in the world.

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How can you quantify the most persecuted?

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Well, actually, let's go ahead and deal with that.

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I'm interested in finding that out.

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So that statement isn't true that Alex is making that right.

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That idea.

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That was something that Catholic Archbishop Bernadette Bernadette Ozzie said in a speech

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before the U.N. that was repeated as a talking point, as if it was something that the U.N.

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actually said.

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Ah, that isn't to say that there isn't a problem of persecutions of Christians in the world.

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There absolutely is.

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It's just a point that I'm trying to make about how slippery Alex is with the details.

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The U.N. didn't say that this Catholic Archbishop said it in the U.N. and it has been repeated

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all over blogs and shit.

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Of course.

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Interestingly, in June of 2018, the Pew Research Center released a report where they analyzed

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reported instances of religious harassment from around the world, and they found that

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Christians were the most harassed, but by a very small margin.

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The report didn't look at the gross number of incidents, only the number of countries

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in which an incident happened.

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They found that Christians reported incidents in 144 countries in the world, coming in at

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number one on the list.

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Islam came in at number two with 142 countries, so it's pretty close between the two.

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A write-up about the report in the Express mentions another research paper from 2016

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that analyzed the sources of Christian persecution in the world, which found that most of it

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is found in the Asia-Pacific region, and that, quote, nationalist parties and politicians

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in India, Nepal, the Philippines, and Sri Lanka targeted Christians the most.

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The picture of Christian persecution is a little bit different than people like Alex

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would like to present.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not just Saudi Arabia stabbing Christians and Romans making lions eat them.

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Right, right.

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But, I mean, there is some.

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Oh, no, no, for sure, for sure.

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In the Islamic world, for sure.

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Absolutely.

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But it's not a totality of the story.

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In a twist that Alex doesn't want to report, the EU Parliament that he hates so much actually

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put this out in a report released on December 14th, 2017.

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They warned that, quote, Christians are currently the religious group most harassed and intimidated

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in countries throughout the world.

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He can't say that it came from the EU, though, because he would have to explain then why

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a godless, globalist, demon organization would put something like that in one of their reports.

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So that's the sort of thing that he's talking about there, that Christians are the most

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persecuted group.

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I wasn't all that curious about that because we talked about that at some point in the

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past and, you know, whatever.

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But I was really curious about that number that Alex is citing, about the 1,063 churches

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being attacked in Europe in the past year.

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The feeling I had was that it definitely could be a real number.

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You know, obviously, even in the best of times, some houses of worship are defaced and vandalized.

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It's a gross reality of modern life and I hate it regardless of what faith is held by

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the people who worship them.

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Yeah, let's dick move it.

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But something felt off about it, the way Alex is reporting it.

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Europe is a huge place with a large population, but it just didn't sit right.

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I know he's misleading people about the UN report saying Christianity is the most persecuted

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religion in the world, as we just discussed, and they know that he's exaggerating the number

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of car burnings that happen in France and he's intentionally not telling his audience

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that most of them are burned as part of an insurance fraud scheme.

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So there's good reason to suspect that this third thing might not be accurate too.

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Yeah.

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Wasn't sure.

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So Alex is claiming that this number he's reporting is coming from the UN, which I can

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tell you right off the bat is not true.

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One thing that presented an immediate challenge here when I was looking into this is that

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if you try and find out where he's getting this information from, there's a ton of possibilities.

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There's a write-up in the Gatestone Institute that cites that number.

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There's a blog entry on the Christian Broadcasting Network's website.

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There's a report on One News Network.

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There's a post on the Middle East Forum about it.

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That number is all over the place.

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Okay.

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So this is where it gets misleading.

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UN of course to most of us means United Nations, but where he got that number was from UN his

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Uncle Nick.

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Oh, that could be.

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So that's why you couldn't find it in any UN official releases.

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It's not Uncle Nick.

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It's Uncle Nick.

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Nope, it's not Santa Claus.

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So those reports that I just mentioned, Christian Broadcasting Network, Gatestone Institute,

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One News Network, Middle East Forum, plenty of others.

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What do they have in common, Jordan?

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Oh, they're probably owned by fucking the Mercer family or whatever.

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No, no.

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It wouldn't surprise me.

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It wouldn't be too surprising, but that's not the case.

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They're all relying on a single source for reporting their number, and it's not the UN.

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It's not.

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It's not the UN.

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It's a blog run out of Germany called Politically Incorrect News, or as these websites all abbreviate

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it to, PI News.

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So we're in a three million illegals voted tweet level of sourcing here.

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In the original post on PI News, quote, a total of 1,063 attacks on Christian churches

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and symbols were registered in France in 2018, which is very different than what Alex is

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saying.

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Symbols?

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Did he add symbols in there?

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Seems like symbols being added in is pretty important.

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But I mean, that's still property damage, I suppose, or whatever.

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But the quote goes on to say, which is 185 more violations than in 2017.

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By comparison, around 100 synagogues and mosques were damaged.

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On a purely factual level, this isn't true.

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But there's a reality here that's worth discussing, because it's a reality that right wing media

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outlets I mentioned earlier, they're using a reality to misinterpret the story and stoke

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outrage and from that hatred among their audiences.

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In this PI News blog entry, there's no link to information about this 1,063 attacks number.

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There isn't even an indication of where the number comes from, or even specific information

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of what sort of attacks were included in this statistic.

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It just says this number of attacks, quote, were registered, but doesn't even say who

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was doing the register.

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As it turns out, the number comes from a report put out by the French Ministry of the Interior,

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which does say that there were 1,063 anti-Christian acts in France in 2018.

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This is used to argue by all these media operations that there's a huge wave of anti-Christian

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attacks and victimization on Christians that is on the rise.

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Yeah.

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The problem with that is that this same release from the French Interior Ministry points out

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that in 2017, 1,038 anti-Christian acts were recorded, which means that this last year

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was only a 2% increase.

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That's an increase of 25 incidents, not the 185 increase that PI News was alleging.

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Also, perhaps more importantly, this same report points out that 2018 saw a 74% increase

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in anti-Semitic incidents, which probably seems like more important as a headline, but

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strangely is entirely unmentioned.

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That's odd.

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In PI News.

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That's really odd.

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You'd think that they would want to provide some context to their readers so they would

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know exactly what kind of situation is going on, as opposed to just printing some small

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fact that would support some sort of attack of their own onto other people.

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That seems crazy.

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It seems valuable.

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That seems crazy.

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Nothing in the Interior Ministry's report indicates anything about the people who committed

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these acts, but that doesn't stop PI News from saying this, quote, the obvious

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truth about the anti-Christian furor and its origin is permanently clouded.

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It's not the perpetrators who are in danger of being ostracized, but those who dare to

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associate the desecration of Christian symbols with immigrant imports.

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They are accused of hate, hate speech, and racism.

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These people who make the connection between Christian, anti-Christian attacks, immigrant

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imports.

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Immigrants, huh?

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Immigrants.

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Now would probably be a good time to point out that PI News isn't a news outlet, like

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its name might suggest.

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It's a very overtly anti-Islam propaganda depot, which goes so far as to sell shirts,

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mugs, and buttons that say, quote, Islamophobic and proud of it.

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The guy who started the blog, Stefan Haar, was quoted as saying that Islam isn't a religion.

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It's actually a, quote, ideology of violence.

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He's very clear in interviews that he doesn't believe that there's any difference between

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a terrorist who is Muslim and literally any or all Muslims.

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His website routinely calls Muslims migration garbage, scum, parasites, and pests.

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In 2005, after the Danish newspaper Hjalands Posten sparked controversy and protests with

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their series of editorial cartoons of Muhammad, Haar jumped on the bandwagon and doubled down,

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posting those cartoons and much more, which caught the attention of a large crowd of monsters

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and put his blog on the map.

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To quote media critic Stefan Neigmeister, quote, it's an openly racist mob that gathers

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daily in the PI commentary area.

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He goes on to say, quote, PI is a forum for defamatory, slanderous, abusive, threatening,

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inciting, and racist content.

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When confronted about it...

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They have really great recipes though.

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They could.

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I'm gonna be honest with you.

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It's possible.

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The kelp cakes that they make are out of this world.

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I haven't checked out that section of the website.

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Oh, so good.

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So when confronted about all that, PI founder Stefan Haar claims that he can't be a Nazi

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because he's pro-Israel and that he can't be a racist because Islam isn't a race.

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Regarding this plausible deniability, Neigmeister wrote, quote, perhaps this explains the greatest

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attraction of politically incorrect and a multitude of smaller but similar sites.

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That the danger of Islam provides people with a fresh, seemingly decent legitimacy for old

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hatred.

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PI News is a bigotry depot, pure and simple.

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They've been constantly criticized for posting absurd and not true stories to demonize Muslims,

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like the time they claimed that English banks were no longer allowed to distribute piggy

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banks because it might offend Islam.

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It's very much like Infowars in this respect.

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The pattern of just posting whatever they find to reinforce their predetermined position

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regardless of whether it's true or not.

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The thing is, none of this is to say that the 1063 anti-Christian act statistic is incorrect.

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You know, what's important is how a publication like this uses a stat like that.

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The fact that this outlet is a longstanding anti-Islam agitation outlet is kind of important

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to mention because in no way does the official reporting suggest that these anti-Christian

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acts were carried out by Muslims or even by immigrants.

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It's an interpretation that's being added to a real number by a bigot publication, which

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is then being mirrored in tons of other outlets who cite PI News as a source.

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Without proving their primary assertions, PI News claims that, quote, two churches were

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violated every day the past year because they were symbols of the hated infidels from an

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Islamic point of view.

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This is editorializing.

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In the past week, PI has been pushing insinuation that the Notre Dame fire was Islamic arson,

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breaking the story from every conceivable angle with headlines like, quote, Where are

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the Muslim donations for Notre Dame?

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Missing from that article is the fact that Kamal Qabtani, the president of the Council

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of Mosques of the Rhone, had already come out and said, quote, We call on Muslims in

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France to show their solidarity by actively participating in the national solidarity campaign

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that will be launched to find ways to rebuild this place of history of our country and this

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place of prayer so dear to our Christian brothers.

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I haven't heard a single Muslim voice speaking out against this kind of activity.

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There's nobody where where are the Muslims who are coming out in in saying that we shouldn't

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perform 100 percent extremist attacks?

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I don't hear them.

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Same thing.

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It's the same thing.

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You're not listening.

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I don't believe that any sort of attack, be it a property crime or assault or even just

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making threats, is acceptable at all, no matter who the victim or the perpetrator is.

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This isn't an attempt to minimize the real anti-Christian acts that have happened.

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But I would be remiss to point out that there's a reason that there's a larger number of acts

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against Christians than there are against Jews or Muslims.

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And it's really simple.

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Could it be proportion?

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Exactly.

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It seems like there are more Christians than I was going to say.

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That's a piece of context that's intentionally absent from all of this coverage.

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Right.

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Like there are two thousand something mosques in France and forty thousand churches.

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I can't say with certainty where Alex got his information from, but I can say that he's

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using it in exactly the same way as PI News is trying to.

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They're putting the same spin on real numbers to lead their audience to a false conclusion.

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What I can say for sure is that Alex has no idea what he's talking about and he's just

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making the UN part of this up.

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The numbers came from the French Interior Ministry.

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And if he did even a minute of research for this stupid show, he would know that.

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So you know, the thing about this that strikes me is it's the propaganda laundering technique

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of it.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like so often with the three million illegals voted in this election tweet, it starts out

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as a tweet.

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All you have to have is some idiot with zero shame like these PI News guys who are going

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to make up some bullshit or lie about some bullshit.

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And that gets laundered by slightly more trustworthy outlets who just cited as a source knowing

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that you're not going to go look at specific examples of that later.

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Yeah.

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It gets laundered again through Drudge Report, who cites these other groups as a source.

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And if you go back through the second source, it's like this it's like the Deutsche Bank

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of lies.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there is laundering going on.

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Absolutely.

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I can trace a couple of specific examples about it that we'll talk about as we go along.

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But in this next clip, Alex talks about how Islam is about attacking churches.

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Sure.

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Why?

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I don't know.

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When?

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I don't know.

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Remember that they have mainstream media writing articles saying Jones is making up that Islam

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attacks churches.

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It's like saying Jones is making it up that foxes will try to get in a henhouse and eat

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chickens or Jones is making it up that great white sharks like to eat seals.

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Do you understand what he's doing here?

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He's trying to make in his audience's mind the connection between these sort of natural

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predatory moves that these these animals do of their very nature.

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He's trying to compare that to Muslims attacking churches as being just a predatory piece of

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their nature.

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It's their intrinsic character trait.

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Exactly.

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It's instinct.

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Exactly.

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It's been bred into them for eons.

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Without having to overtly say that.

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Right.

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That is what he's trying to get across to his listeners, which is deeply fucked up.

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So that's what's going on.

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Christ has pledged on Palm Sunday and on the days leading up to Easter, as I said, what

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a few months ago, I said, Islam is attacking churches all over the world.

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And I said, Islam has said on Palm Sunday through Easter, they're going to burn up and

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bomb churches.

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And guess what?

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They said just last week, we're going to blow up more churches in France.

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ISIS had a public plot to blow up Notre Dame.

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But the talking point has gone out that you don't let them talk about it.

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In fact, just what, three weeks ago when we saw the Christ Church mosque attacked.

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I said the media won't cover it when we see churches being firebombed and blown up and

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shot up or Islamists running over people with cars or trucks screaming Allah Akbar.

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There's a lot of angles to this.

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And before we respond to anything, let's just get to this next clip.

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So Alex can give himself a little bit more of a position.

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And I was just during the break back in the coffee room in the kitchen when there was

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Fox News saying, well, as soon as all the fires are out, they're going to have arson

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experts get in and the fire department to find out what happened.

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But we know it's not arson and we know it's not terrorism.

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So he says there's no investigations been done.

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The government, the fire department say they don't know what did it, but it's not Muslims

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and it's not arsonist.

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Even though the reporter goes on to say, though, there was no one in there at the time that

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the fire started, no renovation going on.

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That is, the renovators weren't in there at the time.

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Now, you're going to hear and see this for yourself.

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This is an attack on logic.

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They've not looked at the evidence.

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I'm sorry, what?

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The fire was only going for an hour and they said no Islamic terror because Islamic terror

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doesn't exist.

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I don't think they said that.

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So Alex knows what he's doing here.

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And these last two clips kind of go together in terms of building up what the narrative

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that he's he's trying to push is.

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He's playing his role in a stage production that has been run many times in the right-wing

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media sphere.

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And I think people are only now starting to see how it works.

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The first thing that's important to point out is that the statements being made by French

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authorities, they weren't saying that the fire wasn't arson and that Islamic terrorism

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doesn't exist.

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That's Alex creating a straw man to fight with instead of doing any real work.

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Prosecutor Remy Heats was quoted as saying, quote, nothing shows that it was an intentional

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act and that it was, quote, likely accidental.

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But that was just based on initial information available.

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That wasn't making any kind of definitive statement.

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And Heats acknowledged that there was an investigation that needed to be done.

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Like when my apartment burned down like six years ago, it was determined to be an accident.

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But that didn't mean that the fire department didn't still do a week-long investigation

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just in case.

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Right.

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That's what investigators do.

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It's kind of their job.

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By Wednesday, the prosecutor's office had interviewed many of the workers at the site

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and said, quote, while the prosecutor's office does not rule out any hypothesis, we remind

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that at this stage, nothing in the investigation highlights a criminal origin.

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Accidental causes remain are privileged leave.

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Investigators were allowed into the building.

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They weren't initially, but they were allowed in once it was deemed safe.

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So they were able to begin their work by late evening on Monday, France time, which is daytime

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for us.

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As they began their preliminary investigation, they made a statement that the early indications

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seemed to be pointing towards an accidental start to the fire.

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And they didn't say anything like what Alex is claiming they did.

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People on Twitter did.

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Oh, God.

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Probably some pundits on talking head shows did because they felt that they needed to

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aggressively remind people that officials had said that there was no indication that

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this was arson, nor was there any reason to put blame on Muslims or immigrants.

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And you know why they felt the need to do that?

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Because people were going to immediately blame it on Muslims and immigrants, and they were

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probably going to start some sort of fucking mob immediately if they weren't constantly

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and aggressively told, please wait, please don't do this.

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Not just people, people like Alex.

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On April 15th, the day of the fire, Paul Joseph Watson posted an article on Info Wars at the

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headline, quote, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on fire worker claims it was a deliberately

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started.

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Oh, God.

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His entire article is bullshit, and he knew that when he wrote it.

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I'm certain of that.

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It was just about getting the headline out there quick.

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It was still early, and he had a chance at controlling the narrative.

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If he sowed enough doubt before anyone really knew what was up, the article was entirely

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based on one tweet from a guy named Christopher Hale, who had tweeted, quote, a Jesuit friend

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in Paris who works at Notre Dame told me the cathedral staff said the fire was intentionally

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set.

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If you break down what's going on here, it's Paul Joseph Watson reporting on a tweet posted

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by someone he doesn't know who is saying that he has an unnamed friend who told him that

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some other unnamed people told him that the fire wasn't an accident.

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This is not a good basis for reporting this as a possibility.

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This is straight up gossip at best.

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It also doesn't help that Hale followed up his tweet with another saying, quote, I should

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note he has zero evidence beyond what the staff said.

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So qualify this as unsubstantiated rumor.

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Damn it.

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No, you put it in the original tweet.

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Not enough characters.

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You put it in the original tweet.

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Probably enough characters.

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You can't start with the regular tweet being like, everybody panic.

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We're all going to die.

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It's Islam.

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And then follow it up with, no, I don't know that.

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So even he says, qualify this as an unsubstantiated rumor.

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Unfortunately, if something demonizes Muslims, Infowars is happy to report unsubstantiated

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rumors.

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It's what they do because make no mistake about this.

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I'm not just saying this loosely.

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Paul Joseph Watson was trying to imply that Muslims set Notre Dame on fire.

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Oh yeah.

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He ended his article by saying, quote, also take note of the names of those who were celebrating

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the fire by reacting with smiley faces on Facebook, which then linked to a video of

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Muslim names on Facebook accounts apparently posting smiley faces on a stream of the fire,

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which I guess is a smoking gun, according to Paul Joseph Watson.

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Wow.

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To me, I don't care.

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This article is a fucking disgrace.

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Hale deleted his tweet because he realized how it could be misused.

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He didn't believe the fire was arson and his Jesuit friend didn't believe that either.

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It was just a third hand piece of gossip he'd heard, but in the wrong hands, that could

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be very dangerous.

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Unfortunately, the wrong hands found his tweet before he could delete it, and Paul Joseph

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Watson used it as cover to point the finger at Muslims.

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Can you imagine how frantically, once the fire started, he had to have been frantically

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searching and researching.

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Refreshing constantly.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Like, I just need one.

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I just need one tweet saying that this was a Muslim.

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I think clearly all it takes is one.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And this tweet didn't even say that it was Muslim.

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No, it didn't.

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It just was enough air.

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Uh-huh.

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It gave enough air for him to put his finger through.

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Yep.

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Hale got to learn an important lesson.

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Quote, I regret that I became an unintended tool for the worst parts of the internet.

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I think what's remarkable about this is how quickly an innate desire to blame the clear

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accident in Paris on the Muslim community took a life of its own from a tweet that was

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up for 10 minutes.

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Infowars wasn't alone on this.

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Multiple fake Twitter accounts created to look like Fox News or CNN posted complete

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bullshit to try and trick people.

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Like saying that Ilhan Omar's response to the fire was to say, quote, they reap what

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they sow or posting videos of Notre Dame on fire with audio edited in of people saying

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Allahu Akbar.

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No.

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The push to blame Muslims for this fire was very strong and involved all the major players

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of past propaganda campaigns we've seen.

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We talk a lot about this because it's super important.

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People like this pack of assholes know what they're doing and they know that it only works

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if they work fast.

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They know fully well that if they do nothing initially and the investigation comes back

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with proof that the fire was an accident cover up, they'll have no, they could use that,

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but that's not nearly as effective.

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They will have squandered an opportunity to rile up their audience with this speculation.

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Oh yeah.

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Initially, I'm sorry.

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I misunderstood up argument, but it's not nearly as impactful, right?

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I misunderstood.

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I thought you meant afterwards.

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Like, yeah, if they get to it first, then it doesn't matter.

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They win either way.

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They don't want, they prefer not to do the cover up argument because it's not as emotionally

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resonant.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then when the investigation comes back later with proof that let's say ISIS set Notre

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Dame on fire, the visceral emotional response will have worn off on their audience and it'll

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be hard to whip them up into the same level of hysteria that they were able to in the

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moments after an emotionally resonant event.

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And let's not forget.

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It's the same problem with the cover up argument.

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Yeah.

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And let's not forget, they won't also be able to claim vindication and being always right

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forever.

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Right.

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If they, if they, you know, if their wild speculation does turn out to be true by some

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chance they're like, guess who's an Oracle now, Notre Dame, fuck you.

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Right.

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You know?

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So this is part of the game that's being done and this is what Alex is engaged in.

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Like, his own website posted this based on a tweet to try and claim that space early

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on.

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The speculation space.

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That's such fucking, oh, you're the worst.

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Right.

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And then when people respond on Twitter or respond on these talking head shows to this

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rank speculation that is clearly intentionally designed specifically to point the finger

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at Muslims, when they respond by saying, hey, look, there, you know, don't, we don't want

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to get into that sort of thing because that's fucked up.

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Then Alex would be like, why are you covering this up?

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Why are you afraid of an investigation?

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Why are you so sure it was an accident when in reality it's just a fucking stupid dance

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that's being played?

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What's so, I actually, I actually cried.

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Yesterday because my girlfriend and I had just started, she hadn't watched the Twilight

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Zone and they hadn't like the first four seasons where it dropped onto Netflix.

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So I was like, oh shit, yeah, we're going to watch all of the Twilight Zone.

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And when we got to the monster on Maple Street, do you remember that one?

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That's the one where it's this idyllic little 1950s Eisenhower suburb and all of a sudden

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just all the power goes out, one of the cars will start and within moments everybody starts

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picking at each other.

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And I'm just watching this going like, this was 1962 whatever, that this was recorded

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and I'm crying because this is the same fucking shit.

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Like Twitter turned into that, that entire place all day, every day.

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And it doesn't have to be.

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It doesn't have to be if people could just respond to things better and not let their

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sort of autopilot mind.

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And watch the Twilight Zone.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Anytime you want to blame Muslims, watch a Twilight Zone episode.

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So that aside, I would be remiss, Jordan, if I didn't point out that we're recording

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this on Sunday and late last night, our time, multiple bombs went off in churches and hotels

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in Sri Lanka.

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Yep.

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But as of the time of this recording, many of the details are still developing.

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So I don't feel comfortable necessarily reporting any of the specifics about it.

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Nope.

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Throughout all this last week, Alex has been yelling about how ISIS was going to attack

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churches like we heard in that clip just before.

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He said they were going to attack churches on Easter.

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And that very well may be what ended up happening, right?

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We don't know.

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But that might be Alex might have been right on a technical level about that prediction.

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Time will tell.

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Mainstream outlets are reporting that no group has taken responsibility and it's unclear

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who's behind it.

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Complete assholes like Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch.

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Oh, boy.

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Note one of Anders Breivik's most cited resources in his manifesto are posting things like,

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quote, reports suggest that suicide bombers might have been identified as dot, dot, dot.

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And then he says people's names who I'm not going to repeat because I have no idea where

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he's getting this information from.

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And it could possibly be pointing the finger at people who have nothing to do with anything

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of most, you know, 50 50 at best, right?

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So he has some names of people who are ostensibly connected to ISIS.

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Yeah.

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And look, here's the thing.

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This is awful and a complete tragedy and must be seen as exactly that.

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But if these folks are correct and this was an ISIS attack, that doesn't change my opinion

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at all about the perpetrators of the attack.

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Two days ago, I thought ISIS was a horrible, brutal terrorist group that has no place in

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our society.

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They have a long history of killing civilians and terrorizing populations and working against

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that is a valuable goal.

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I still think that today.

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No, but now they did this.

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That doesn't change.

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I mean, that's I mean, I'm not saying to minimize this or not care about the bombing in Sri

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Lanka, but I'm saying that I you all knew that ISIS was capable of that a month ago.

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Well, you remember when they put out YouTube videos cutting people's like literally decapitating

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people.

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I never would have expected this behavior out of those guys.

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Right.

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They're a terrorist group.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, which is.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's not too it's not to minimize the damage that they've done.

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No.

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How can you possibly use this as some sort of extra amplification of your hatred of ISIS?

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Right.

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If your information comes out, whatever the case may be, if it does turn out that it is

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an attack that was perpetrated by ISIS, I will feel, you know, the same but a little

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worse about ISIS.

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One more one more checkmark in the your guys are bad.

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Now, at this point, as we're recording this on Sunday, Infowars has posted an article

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with the sub headline, quote, Islamic suicide bombers launched attacks on three separate

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churches about the attack in Sri Lanka, which is actually just a copy and paste of an article

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in Zero Hedge.

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God damn it.

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Here's the problem.

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That Zero Hedge article doesn't say that Islamic suicide bombers are behind this attack.

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Alex and Infowars just added that to this article.

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The closest thing that Zero Hedge articles has that comes close to this is, quote, no

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group has yet to claim responsibility for the deadly Easter morning attack.

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Those Sri Lankan Christians as a sizable minority of about 8 percent have reported an uptick

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in persecution and threats coming from Muslims and majority Buddhist population in the country.

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So that is the closest that the Zero Hedge article comes to.

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Alex Jones' copy and paste of it adds the sub headline, quote, Islamic suicide bombers

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launched attacks on three separate churches.

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That is not in the source material.

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That is Alex adding that 100 percent.

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Other than that, the only coverage of that Sri Lankan attack so far on Infowars is another

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copy and pasted article, this one from Breitbart, about how the pope denounced the, quote, cruel

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violence of the attack.

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Sure, that's fair enough.

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I agree with that.

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I find it kind of silly that Alex would run a story like this when he also spends a ton

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of his time yelling about how the pope is involved in a global child sex trafficking

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and cannibalizing ring, but he's free to run his business how he sees fit.

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The problem here is that the Infowars article has this sub headline, quote, over 200 dead

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by Islamic suicide bombers, hundreds more injured.

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I think you can already guess this, but nothing in the Breitbart story indicated that the

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attack was carried out by Islamic suicide bombers.

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It's not even a Breitbart story that's published on Breitbart.

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It's just a copy and paste of a report from the Associated Press.

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It's mostly just about how the pope is praying for the children in Yemen and for peace around

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the world to replace violence.

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On a very basic level, this is super bad.

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Sure, it could turn out that the people who committed this attack were members of ISIS

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and they could even be Muslims, but at this point, Alex has no reason to report that other

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than to push the narrative.

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He could editorialize something like, quote, I bet this was suicide bombers, but he's not

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doing that.

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He's copy and pasting other people's articles and attaching his conclusions to them.

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Even if his hunch ends up being accurate, his journalistic practices are unacceptable

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and he should be ashamed of himself for doing that.

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A situation like this is far too serious to treat with that kind of disrespect and flippancy.

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Is he literally copying and pasting?

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Yes.

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Like, he's not rewriting...

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No.

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No.

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He's just grabbing...

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He's just reposting on Infowars the text of the articles, but he does say at the top,

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like, the byline is zero hedge or the byline is Breitbart.

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But yeah, it's just copy and pasted articles.

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I don't know if they have, like, an agreement where he's allowed to do that or if he's doing

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it without permission.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, that seems...

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Because that report came out, like, last year that Alex had used all those RT articles without

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permission and RT wasn't super happy about that.

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But I don't know.

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He could have an arrangement with zero hedge or...

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That's weird.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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But it's really, really fucked up that Alex is taking these stories and adding his own

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sub-headlines to them that have nothing to do with the content of the story that is his

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source material for it.

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It's framing of the story.

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It's inappropriate.

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Isn't that something that Drudge is pretty familiar with or wasn't that his kind of opening

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practice?

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I mean, he writes his own...

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You know, like, aggregating and then he writes his own little headlines that will link to

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stories.

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Yeah.

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And without too much time spent focusing on Drudge or researching his practices, I know

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that he does write his own headlines for these stories.

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And sometimes they're a bit sensationalized and such, but I don't know if he goes this

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far.

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I'm not saying he goes that far.

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I don't know.

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I don't see him being something of a progenitor of this type of ridiculous practice.

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I mean, yeah.

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It could be.

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It could be that Alex has taken his game and gone much further with it.

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But you see what's going on here.

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You see the initial thrust being a need to control the story.

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Control the story and box it into our narrative.

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A story from the Associated Press that Breitbart has copied and then Alex has copied from Breitbart

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from the copy from the Associated Press about the Pope praying for the world and for peace

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is now turned into a sub-headline of Islamic suicide bombers committed this with no evidence.

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Right.

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It's gross.

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The same as a tweet that gets picked up by PI News, that gets picked up by Buh, that

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gets picked up by and amplifies it with three different removes.

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That's what Paul Joseph Watson was doing immediately after Notre Dame was caught on fire.

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And it is their business practice.

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This is how this works.

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But of course, Alex will tell you that there's a cover up and that it was arson.

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That's right.

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At this point, when you're told don't look at something before the fires are even out

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and you've got Islamic groups saying we're going to target this and they have before,

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you've got to then default there's a cover up.

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But they don't want you to be able to ask questions.

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That's the cardinal sin.

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That's ridiculous.

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That is absolutely ridiculous.

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No one's telling you don't investigate because there are investigators investigating.

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I think people are telling you, Alex, specifically, please don't investigate.

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We would prefer regular people.

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What is the investigation entail for Alex?

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He can't find any evidence.

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He's not going to be able to go into the cathedral and look at...

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He's not a fucking fire marshal.

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He doesn't know anything.

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He's wearing a 1940s press pass in his little cap and he walks in there, excuse me, I would

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like to investigate this fire.

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It's fucking ridiculous.

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The idea...

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Sure, you can investigate tweets or something.

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No one's going to stop you from that.

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But there's the very idea that he's presenting it as anyone is saying stop investigating

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stuff towards the people who are doing the investigation, the French officials or something

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is nonsense.

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It's because Alex does see...

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We talked about it earlier.

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He does see this as something of a crusades.

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There's a modern-day crusades going on, as we can hear from him in this next clip.

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I mean, we've got videos where you can look out a high-rise window and see like 400 fires

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burning and people going, just running around, just Molov cocktailing.

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Each person has two or three Molov cocktails in a backpack.

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Each person burns three cars.

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You'll have 500 dudes running around and they'll just go down street after street and the domesticated

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Europeans literally piss themselves and I'm not putting Europeans down.

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It's just they're so domesticated and you hear the video, some in English like, what

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do we do?

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Is that Bernie?

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Allah Akbar!

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Is that Bernie?

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They know to burn Europe and they're burning the churches and then...

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So that's, you know, you're just presenting Islam as an invading army and that's, you

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know, not good.

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It's not a good way to look at things.

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So the reason that they're, you know, Alex has a cause to worry is the idea that all

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of these folks are coming in, right?

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All these immigrants and all these people who are unlike him are coming into countries

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and it would be bad enough if they just had ill will.

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But the reality is to Alex, they're part of a bigger plan and of course that plan is being

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run by Soros.

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And meanwhile, the whole leftist group is funded by George Soros, an actual Nazi collaborator.

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Well what they're trying to do is to get enough dumb people to go out and attack white folks

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so white folks start shooting back so they can cause a civil war.

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So understand the pawns in this are the minorities they're trying to manipulate and the good

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news is you got any leftist event, it's 90% white, bunch of professors trying to get blacks

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and others to riot.

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Those are the documents we got in January of last year.

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Now 16 months ago, secret internal George Soros documents from Alexander Soros, how

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to have professors dressed up in black in Maryland and other cities attack pre, pre

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place places.

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They had agreements with Starbucks.

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Everybody always wonder why they knock over a trash can, attack Starbucks and McDonald's.

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They have pre agreements.

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They won't press charges and they, they, they talk about the scripting points.

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They are actors, but, but it's real attacks.

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You'll burn the trash can, you'll attack that.

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It's this is all just bullshit that he's making up editorializing on those fake contracts

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that he found on 4chan.

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This is all just that.

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Like he's using that completely ludicrous fake document that he found as evidence of

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this global plan in order to cause minorities to attack white people to cause a civil war.

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This is fucking stupid.

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So this show, this show is really bad.

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I'm trying to understand this plan that he's made up.

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Yes.

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You get professors wearing all black.

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That's important.

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Yeah.

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And they knock over trash cans outside of Starbucks because there's an arrangement.

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They have a preplace arrangement because haven't you noticed that they always attack a Starbucks?

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Maybe they really haven't.

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Maybe there are always Starbucks everywhere.

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Maybe that's why I don't know.

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Maybe there's a fucking billion of them.

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Maybe they really just hate Starbucks.

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That'd be maybe they're like, uh, you know, locally grown, uh, boutique coffee shops.

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I don't know.

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It's stupid.

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It's all just those stupid fake Soros Antifa documents that Harrison Smith found on 4chan.

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And Alex has disgracefully pretended is real because again, like when we talked about it,

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when we talked about it the first time, like the very fucking idea that you would make

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someone sign a non-disclosure agreement in order to be like part of a criminal conspiracy

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in order to overthrow the country and start a civil war is laughable.

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The fucking idea is nonsensical.

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Anybody involved in that kind of a criminal conspiracy would know that it's in no way

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protected by an NDA and it's making someone sign an NDA would only leave a paper trail.

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That was, it was weird with a Steven Soderbergh left that scene in on oceans 11 where George

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Clooney had everybody sign an NDA and they had to do the whole thing.

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It was really surprising.

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So stupid.

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And like these things are the underpinnings of the beliefs that he has that reinforces

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his ability to say horrible, bigoted things.

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That's why these stupid things are important.

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And you could just laugh them off if they weren't reinforcements and the sort of the

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things that hold up the bigotry, which is, you know, a bummer.

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So now here's a fun one.

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Okay.

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Alex gets sidetracked by a fun narrative because he's kind of...

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He said most of his piece about the Notre Dame fire.

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He doesn't talk about it that much.

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It's gross the way he does talk about it on the 16th.

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Right.

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He doesn't talk about it that much, which is sort of a theme of the big news of last

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week.

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Doesn't really talk about it much.

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Doesn't talk about too much stuff too much.

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So thankfully he gets into some other stuff and here's one of them that is just total

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bullshit.

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What's wrong with this picture right here?

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We're a radio listener, stories posted up on Infowars.com from the LA Times, putting

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American flags on police cars sparks backlash in Laguna Beach.

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Yes, people don't like seeing American flags and the reason they've got to be brought out

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is they're demonizing the American flag.

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The Democratic Party has officially come out and said many of their leaders get rid of

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it.

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It's a racist, evil symbol.

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Sounds like that.

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Get rid of that flag.

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Sounds like it.

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So a lot of the reporting on this story outside of even Alex's stupid show has been pretty

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off the mark.

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A lot of it seems to circle around that idea that the flag is seen as an intimidating symbol

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to immigrants or some shit like that, but that's misreporting.

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From the original story in LA Times, quote, a decision to repaint Laguna Beach police

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cars with an image of the American flag running through lettering on the doors will return

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to the city council Tuesday after some residents deemed it unfit for the artist's community.

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Although most of the comments made by residents in recent months were about the squad car's

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new aesthetics, online reaction in recent days characterized the debate as pitting flag

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supporters against flag opponents.

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Mayor Pro Tem Steve Dictero said Monday the council is simply facing, quote, a very narrow

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decision about the brightness of the colors, but that the issue has devolved into a broader

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national conversation about pay-per-the-dip.

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OK.

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OK.

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So so this is like this is like they had two graphic designers and one of them was like,

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let's have a giant American flag with a big eagle on it.

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The other one was like, let's have a smaller American flag with a smaller eagle on it.

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And they're like, you hate the American flag.

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That's it.

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Yes.

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Great.

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Good work, guys.

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An artist named America's great.

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An artist named Carrie Woodburn attended a council meeting where she said that the design

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scheme looked, quote, aggressive.

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But an important distinction is that she didn't mean the flag was aggressive, but that the

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design was.

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You just can't even design things after idiots started attacking her and leaving more than

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150 messages, quote, via phone calls, texts, voicemails and emails.

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She explained what she was talking about.

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Quote, I don't really care too much about the design other than what I said.

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It's bad art.

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I'm being attacked for that because the narrative feeds the fire of division, which is what

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our culture has become.

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So Jordan, if you're following along here, what's happened is this.

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Laguna Beach commissioned to do design for their cop cars and it ended up a little bit

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tacky.

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Bad move.

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Mayor Pro Tem Tom Ditaro literally said, quote, clearly the way it looks on the car is not

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what anyone expected it to look like, expressing that the design looked better on paper than

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it did on the cars.

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So they put together a council meeting to sort out the artistic issues.

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The fact that they were having a council meeting to reevaluate the car's design was intentionally

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misrepresented by people like Franklin Graham, the Christian Broadcasting Network, Fox News

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and Info Wars in order to turn the story into one where the flag is under attack.

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Because the flag was never under attack, when the flag isn't ultimately removed from the

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cars, all of these outlets get to march around and pretend that they won some super important

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culture battle when in reality it only existed in their head.

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I'm on team climate change.

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We need to go.

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This can't be.

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This is we're done.

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So I'm out.

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I say congratulations, dumbass patriots.

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You've saved the flag from yet another imaginary threat.

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From what I understand, the customary celebration in their culture for times like these is to

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make up a Thomas Jefferson quote.

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So I look forward to hearing what they come up with.

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All right.

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So we have the new design for the cars.

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American flag is going to be on there.

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I think we need to take it back, though, to the council because the car is originally

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painted orange and creamsicle.

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So I don't think we want to put that- Wait, is this a Thomas Jefferson quote?

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Yes, it is.

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The only complaint that I saw from primary reporting about the flag itself was from somebody

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who was making a point that the way that the red, white, and blue of the flag is presented

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in the letters, ice in police, the last three letters, are mostly red.

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And so there was a feeling of this aesthetically doesn't feel good.

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The idea that there seems to be a difference between the pole and the ice in the color

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scheme, which I think I certainly can see what they were saying.

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If you look at the cars, it is pretty glaring that ice is predominantly...

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It sticks out more in the eye than the police part of it.

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It doesn't seem like a cohesive word based on the design.

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So even that could be an aesthetic argument, less an argument that the flag shouldn't be

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there.

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So whatever.

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This is all bullshit.

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That's ridiculous.

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It is.

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I hate that so much.

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That is so fucking bullshit.

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But this is how you fill time, imaginary battles, imaginary victories, because Alex is never

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wrong and he's very hard to fool.

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Fucking guys, calm it down.

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So here's the next one that he gets to, and he's playing a clip of Tucker Carlson talking

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about Ilhan Omar, and it's bad.

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Put Mike down, because what Alex says after Tucker Carlson is somehow worse.

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God damn it, I hate this place.

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This is really impressive, the one-upsmanship here.

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Okay.

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Here's what Omar recently told Vogue Arabia in an interview.

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She described living in the United States as, quote, an everyday assault.

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America is so racist and hateful, she says, that she feels, quote, threatened, demonized,

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and vilified every day.

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It's difficult for her even to go to work.

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In many ways, things were easier growing up in a refugee camp in Kenya, she says, quote,

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when you're a kid and you're raised in an all-black, all-Muslim environment, nobody

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really talks to you about your identity, you just are.

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There is freedom in knowing that you were accepted.

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Yeah, so why'd you come here?

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To conquer us.

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That's it.

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She doesn't want to assimilate.

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She's been brought here by Soros to piss all over everything.

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So that's really fucked up, man.

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I think it goes without saying what Alex is saying about Representative Omar is incredibly

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disgusting.

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Him telling his audience that she's here to conquer the country and that Soros is paying

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her to do so is pretty dangerous talk, particularly given the wildly and aggressively anti-Islam

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character of his entire show these days.

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He's somehow managing to play this clip of Tucker Carlson being a dick and then outdoing

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him, which I find impressive in its shittiness.

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But I want to address the propaganda sleight of hand that Tucker is trying to perform in

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this clip.

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Oh, it's so obvious.

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She never said that America is so racist and hateful that she feels threatened, demonized,

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and vilified every day.

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The article says, quote, it's challenging, she says, of living in President Trump's America,

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where her status and heritage is constantly criticized.

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Quote, it's an everyday assault.

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Every day, a part of your identity is threatened, demonized, and vilified.

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Trump is tapping into an ugly part of our society and freeing its ugliness.

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It's been a challenge to try and figure out how to continue the inclusion, how to show

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up every day and make sure that people who identify with all the marginalized identities

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I carry feel represented.

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It's transitioning from the idea of constantly resisting to insisting and upholding the values

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we share, that this is a society that was built on the idea that you could start anew.

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And what that celebrates is immigrant heritage.

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So you can already see the twisting that he's done by cherry picking.

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Can't, that's so, that's such, it's such a deliberately evil act of like, no matter what

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you do, no matter what you say, if you say anything, I will find six words, rip it out

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and say that you hate America.

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Even if you're into, even if you wrote an entire novel, an entire book about how you

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love America 100%, if you even mention a fault, it's going to be like, Oh, see, see how she

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hates America.

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If you don't love every single part of America, especially the part where every day on Twitter,

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you're attacked by people for being Muslim and told you're a terrorist.

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And then whenever you fucking turn your TV on at night, Tucker Carlson says that you're

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a terrorist.

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And then Alex Jones says you're a terrorist.

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And then the fucking president attacks you on Twitter.

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Yeah.

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Maybe it does feel like a constant fucking assault, Tucker.

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But she's not saying that it's an everyday assault on her.

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No.

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That's part of the twisting that Tucker is doing here, because what she's talking about

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is pieces of your identity are assaulted, threatened, demonized, and vilified.

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These pieces of yourself that you were proud of and are proud of and are a part of you.

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It's a different thing.

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It's very slightly different, but it's importantly different.

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And then the other thing, too, I mean, Tucker says that she sometimes can't go to work or

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it's hard to go to work.

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In that passage, there is what he was misrepresenting.

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She's saying that it's a challenge to try and figure out how to show up every day and

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make sure that people who identify with all the marginalized identities I carry feel represented.

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It's not a challenge to go to work.

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It's a challenge to figure out how to carry this representation and make sure that the

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people who have these identities feel represented.

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Tucker, do you know what the challenge is?

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Dealing with your bullshit.

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That's a big part of it.

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She never says...

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Not getting discouraged by your bullshit and instead showing up to work every day saying,

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I will fight back against this.

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She never says that things were easier for her growing up in a refugee camp in Kenya.

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She says that all her life prior to coming to America, her identity as a black Muslim

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woman didn't register to her.

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It just was who she was.

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But that when she came to the United States, she found that there was a tension and some

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conflict between her identities and society, which she found hard to deal with as a fucking

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12-year-old child who had just survived a fucking civil war.

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What she's saying is introspective.

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It's not judgmental and not bitter and it's completely reasonable.

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Tucker Carlson is absolutely 100% twisting her words at taking everything she said in

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this article out of context to present the image that Ilhan Omar hates America, thinks

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that it's a racist place and longs for the days of the refugee camp where everyone around

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her were black and Muslim.

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The passage in the Vogue article about the discomfort she felt about her identity as

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a 12-year-old is part of a paragraph that also contains Omar quoting the extreme optimism

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that her father and grandfather imparted to her after her mother died when she was two

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years old.

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Quote, today does not determine your tomorrow.

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Her discussion of her experience was a hopeful one and it was an expression of seeing a future

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where society and identity aren't at odds with each other.

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And to see Tucker so maliciously twist this into an overtly xenophobic propaganda piece

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is an absolute disgrace, only surpassed by Alex's commentary on it.

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Man.

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Yeah.

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That's a one-two combo that I find very discouraging in an Ilhan Omar sense.

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It's a real bummer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, these people are shitheads.

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I'm interested to know, and it can't be true, but the writers for Tucker Carlson, nobody

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knows who they are, right?

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I mean, they're listed in the credits, of course.

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Never thought to check in on that.

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But it's like, Tucker Carlson isn't extemporaneously telling all of this stuff.

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He has writers in a room.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he did a lot of the writing.

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Well, fair.

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It's not like he has anything to do at Daily Caller anymore.

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At least there's a graphic design.

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All of these people are the ones who are putting this shit out there and they just get away

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with it?

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Well, I mean, obviously...

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Like they're not the face of it.

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They're like one of the, like some sort of writer or some form of writer found this article

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in Vogue and brought it to the table.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's interesting.

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I mean, if we focused more on Tucker, we would know who those writers are.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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But I mean, in the same way that I know who fucking Harrison Smith is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I wonder.

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It just seems like a lot of that ostracism that we kind of give towards Tucker Carlson

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should also be directed towards the people that write for him.

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Yeah, it does appear that, you know, in some ways he's kind of just a face man.

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Yeah.

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So that's the end of the 16th and I wanted to listen to the 17th and see what happened,

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but I didn't have the time or the interest because on the 18th, Thursday, the Mueller

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report came out.

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Right.

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And I knew that in terms of doing this episode for Monday, if we're covering the present

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day while you were on a fucking beach in Mexico.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's what I was doing Thursday.

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I wasn't getting fucking shit stolen from me by the TSA.

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That definitely wasn't, uh, it wasn't my Thursday fucking Denver model of scotch taken by the

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well, but you know why?

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It's because the Denver airport's full of evil spirits.

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Yeah, I know.

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I, my girlfriend didn't know about the Mustang and I, I Lucifer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then, uh, she was like, what are you guys talking about?

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And I was like, okay, you're going to love this story.

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And I gave her the whole long, uh, list of like internet articles to read about it.

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And for five minutes, she was just going, did you give her, did you give her a list

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of the articles about what the actual symbolism of it is about the artist's father running

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on the onsite store?

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Absolutely.

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Okay.

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Just making sure you didn't just go with the conspiracy bullshit.

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No, I didn't give her, I didn't give her the conspiracy bullshit because I think the real

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story is way more fascinating than the conspiracy.

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How did she like the murals?

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Uh, she loved them.

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Good.

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Yeah.

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She loved them.

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Denver airport, we had to go through a security twice though, and that was, fuck, fuck Denver

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airport.

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Fine.

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Bunch of bastards.

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Fair enough.

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Stole a bunch of scotch.

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Anyway, you were in fucking Mexico.

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And then coming back doing an episode, I know that there's only two ways or two things that

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are super important.

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One is that Notre Dame was on fire and to the Mueller report came out.

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So those things have to be a part of this.

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So 17th get bent.

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We're moving on to the 18th.

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Uh, and here we go in this first clip, Alex makes pretty clear that he hasn't read it,

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but of course, but he knows what's in it.

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So it's dredger report.com says it's Mueller time.

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We have the full report right over here on my desk.

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We've already been scanning through it, but it's really just confirming everything we

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already knew from the congressional testimony, from the text messages and all the rest of

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it, that this was a giant frame up an attempt to take down the duly elected president and

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overthrow the election of the people.

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So the cool, um, yeah, whatever.

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I would say that first of all, we kind of already, like months ago we knew what his

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angle would be.

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Yeah.

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You know, like it's not, it's not a surprise.

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Yeah, no, we got this one, but actually the one thing that I take away from this really,

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I think this is probably a little bit surprising is this is one time where I'm not mad at Alex

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for having not read it.

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It just came out.

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There's no way he could have read it.

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If I were him, I probably would have had someone fill in and taken an hour or two or whatever

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to read it and then come on air when I could be conversant in it and know more about it.

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Instead, what he does is just make wild assumptions about it and he doesn't talk about it that

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much.

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Yeah.

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He basically did a Barr.

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He did a William Barr.

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He just, yeah, he kind of, it says whatever I wanted it to say, let's not worry about

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it.

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I'm going to give you a short snip.

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Let's move on.

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And he just uses the fact that it's out to reinforce whatever he wants to say.

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Namely that is, it's basically a cover up and the Democrats are the ones who were guilty

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all along.

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We know it.

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Hillary, Uranium One, all the hits.

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Yeah.

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The Miller report was always going to say what we said it was going to say.

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Right.

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So it's not all that interesting, but there are a couple of things that do come up in

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his coverage that I think are interesting in and of themselves, less about his feelings

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on the report.

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And here's one of them and it's that he needs to find a bunch of different ways to say balls

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Trump has the deep state, the Democrats, the Rod Rosenstein's, the James Comey's, the Andrew

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McCabe's, the Bruce Orr's.

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He has them all by, there's a word for it in Spanish, the cojones, meaning the huevos,

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meaning the testicles, the short hairs, the balls, the balls, just say the balls.

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The cojones.

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Get Lionel out here.

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At least we could have 30 different ones instead of four shitty ones.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty fun.

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The tulips, you know what I'm saying?

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All right.

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Bottom of the grapes.

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Yeah.

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So Alex-

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Two stones, smooth.

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So what Alex is going to do in lieu of actually knowing anything about the report, what he's

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going to do is he's going to play William Barr's press conference in its entirety.

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William Barr's month old press conference?

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No.

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The one from the day.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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About the announcement of the actual report.

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Gotcha.

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And so that's fine, but it's interesting his justification for doing it.

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In fact, you know, I think the best thing to do is come back on the other side and just

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play the press conference end to end with a few stops where I add some context to it.

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That's the best way to do this.

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That's what a regular old smart news show would do.

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That's a weird way to frame it.

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I'm going to play this press conference and comment on it because that's what a normal

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smart press news show would do.

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Stop trying to be that Alex.

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You're not it.

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What is it?

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MST3CNN?

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Is that how that usually goes?

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Yeah, you bet.

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You know all those times that you see Brian Stelter playing a video then yelling at someone

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to pause it so he can scream about something.

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Absolutely.

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Hey, start that over.

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Start that over.

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Yeah.

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For 20 seconds back.

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Yeah.

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So Alex doesn't get to play in the press conference because he gets distracted by

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other things like the fact that the New York Times has written an article about him.

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New York Times wrote a huge fantasy piece about me that I'll cover next hour because

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it's so illustrative of their delusion exactly as I've been saying.

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They say in this, if we can't destroy Trump, the consolation prize is destroying Alex Jones.

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It's a religion of losers that are into hurting America and prosperity.

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They hate America.

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They hate prosperity.

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Sounds right.

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This New York Times article that Alex is talking about is a piece about his deposition video.

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The headline is, quote, Alex Jones under oath is an anecdote to the post truth age.

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I think you already know my feelings about this article already, namely that the premise

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is a failure.

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So wherever it goes from there, it doesn't really matter.

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The part about Alex being a consolation prize is this sentence, quote, the hundreds of thousands

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of views on these videos that have accumulated attest to their appeal as a hashtag resistance

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consolation prize.

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Maybe it's not a habitually lying president, but at least someone is getting called to

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account under oath for his role in the post-truthification of American life.

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This isn't talking about destroying Alex.

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It's not even talking about destroying Trump.

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If anything, it's expressing a very understandable desire to see known pathological liars be

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forced to exist in a space where they cannot lie.

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Of course, the fact that Alex being under oath is ultimately meaningless in a civil

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deposition and the fact that he knew that and continued to lie pretty consistently in

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the deposition should be evidence that if anyone took the Alex deposition as a consolation

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prize for Trump not being under oath, they're not dealing with reality.

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And that article was actually pretty soft on Alex.

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So I don't care.

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He's going to get back to complaining about it later.

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Of course.

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And we'll see what happens.

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Well, it's got to come back to him sooner or later.

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Right.

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One of the big complaints about this article, though, at the Times is that they talk about

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how Alex got grilled about things that he was making up about Sandy Hook and that that

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was delightful.

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And so he makes this proclamation.

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They say that I'm making it up, that there were reports of a man in camouflage tactical

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gear in the woods that was arrested.

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I went and dug up the newscast that show it all.

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Eyes are rolling.

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I can do it with everything they say.

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So this is a tease because Alex is going to defend himself a little bit later about Sandy

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Hook stuff.

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No.

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And it's not good.

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Alex, no.

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I honestly think that we're about to see things go way off the rails.

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He's like a moth to a light, man.

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He's just going right into it.

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There's something that happens towards the end of this episode that I never saw coming

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and completely blows my mind.

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It worries me, but also as like a sketch, I think is hilarious.

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OK, so we'll.

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All right.

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Now, now I'm excited.

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We'll get to that.

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But Alex gets distracted from this also because he has another news story that he wants to

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cover.

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Oh, you didn't hear about it because it got almost no attention.

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A leftist philosophy professor, Mark.

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When I pronounce this lamp arello, that's real tough.

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Had two big gas tanks of gasoline, lighter food and lighters.

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Was caught inside with it spilt on the ground inside St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York.

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And then he said the police, well, I was just trying to find gas for my vehicle.

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They have on the surveillance footage pulling up, getting out of the van, going in with

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it.

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And of course, his vehicle had plenty of gas.

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He would have been successful, though, to be on the news that it was not arson.

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And anyone investigating it.

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Is a terrorist.

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Wow.

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But that's an assumption.

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He didn't get away with it here.

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And isn't it funny that I had speculation?

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Leo Zagami, investigative journalist, to understand, he said it's a devil worshiper or leftist.

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I bet it's a devil.

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It's a Muslim.

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He said they've been wanting to burn down all the cathedrals for a while because I expect

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them to start burning more down.

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Not just a Muslim.

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Oh, and then a leftist philosophy professor, Muslims, most of them, they scratch out of

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the service to Aleister Crowley Heights.

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That's a big ritual to burn down a cathedral.

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Leo Zagami is a big ritual to burn down a cathedral.

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Leo Zagami is a fucking lunatic and he's been on Project Camelot.

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He pretends he's an Illuminati insider.

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Love it.

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But he also is one of Alex's big resources in anti-Catholic narratives about the idea

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of them having sex trafficking rings of children and stuff like that.

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Why are you now using him as some sort of defending Catholic church narratives?

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What are you doing?

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What's the through line here?

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We're not busy.

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That's what he's doing.

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He is fucking so busy.

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Let's throw it all on the wall.

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Arguably he's too busy.

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So the guy that Alex is talking about here, it's a really weird case, actually.

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This guy, Mark Lamprello, is a 37-year-old college professor who's simultaneously also

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a PhD student at CUNY pursuing a degree in philosophy.

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I can find no evidence that he's a leftist, as Alex is claiming.

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That seems to just be made up.

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Anybody who's pursuing a degree in philosophy must be a leftist.

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Not true at all.

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Stefan Molyneux, basically.

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Oh, he doesn't have a degree.

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He doesn't have a degree.

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I was going to say.

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Anybody who's going through the proper channels.

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Still not true.

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As someone who is a philosophy minor, I can attest that a lot of them are shitheads.

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And the shithead's on the left and the right.

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Yeah.

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Hey.

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There's a lot of blame.

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Philosophy is not short on shitheads.

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Period.

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There's a lot of fingers to be pointed in a lot of directions.

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So the idea that he is on the left or whatever, that might end up being true in the end.

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I'm not sure.

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But nothing I can find gives me any indication of that.

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Whatever his politics are, Lamprello was arrested after walking into St. Patrick's Cathedral

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in New York carrying two gas jugs, two bottles of lighter fluid, and some barbecue lighters.

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You know those long lighters?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I would call this a good catch by the police, who are able to avert what appears to be clearly

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someone who had bad intentions.

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Lamprello had been thrown out of the cathedral basilica of the Sacred Heart in Newark, New

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Jersey just two days prior.

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He caused a scene at the church and refused to leave after repeated requests, ultimately

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throwing himself on the floor, saying he'd only leave in handcuffs.

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He was arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest with a court date scheduled for May

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1st.

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He arrived at St. Patrick's Cathedral on Wednesday night, and he had suspiciously purchased a

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one-way ticket to Rome that was leaving from Newark on Thursday.

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He'd also canceled classes.

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Criminal mastermind.

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Yeah.

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He'd also canceled classes he was supposed to teach at Seton Hall, claiming that he was

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sick.

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So...

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He's sick of these churches, you know what I'm saying?

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Well, he is also a Catholic.

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His family is very Catholic.

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That's very...

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A lot of this is very strange.

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So the investigation is still ongoing.

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It's still in progress.

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It feels pretty safe to say the circumstantial evidence here, it doesn't look good.

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There's a very decent chance he was planning to set fire to that church.

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I was just gonna start a barbecue for everybody in the church.

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Come on!

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Come on!

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Alex is lying about him saying that it was just gas for his car.

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That is true.

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That is what he said.

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I believe that.

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And it turned out his car was not on empty.

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So all that is like...

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It's weird.

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What his motivation was is anyone's gas at this point, which makes Alex's coverage just

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worse.

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Just way worse.

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In his article about Mark Lamprello on Infowars.com, they just quote large chunks from a heavy

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article about him, then say, quote, incidentally, this video went viral Wednesday on Twitter.

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And underneath, they have a completely out of context video of Muslims outside a burning

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church, which is claimed to have been either from 2013 or from August 14th, 2018, depending

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on which part of the body of the article you look at.

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What?

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What?

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What?

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In the article itself?

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They have two possible dates for the video.

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Not possible.

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It says that it's both.

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Oh, it says it's both.

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Depending on where you look in the article.

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Or a video that is unrelated to this particular incident.

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Absolutely.

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That seems a little bit difficult to believe.

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Kind of like you're trying to drive a conclusion unrelated to the story, huh?

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Yeah, that's difficult to believe.

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The video is posted as a tweet from an account whose name is Stormtrooper with three American

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flags after it.

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This is an account that's pretty much all just anti-Muslim agitating with frequent calls

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for Islam to be literally banned in the United States.

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His feed is mostly just retweets from Maga Dipshits, or retweets of Maga Dipshits.

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But something I found particularly interesting is that he has 16.6 thousand followers and

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yet whenever he tweets anything himself, he struggles to get any kind of engagement, which

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makes me think his account is kind of a facade.

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Bob, probably.

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It just seems like no one's listening.

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The Infowars article concludes with a Paul Joseph Watson video about how Muslims were

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celebrating the Notre Dame fire based pretty much entirely on his crack investigation of

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Facebook smiley faces that we talked about a little bit earlier.

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Well, he is an intrepid reporter.

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I will give him.

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Absolutely.

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My point here is that Infowars isn't interested in this story about Mark Lamprello.

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They're only interested in using it as a waypoint to transition back to what they want to talk

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about, namely that Muslims are evil, even though that has literally nothing to do with

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the story that this article is supposedly about.

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Also, you know how I told you that the Infowars story about this guy is really just copy and

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pasting chunks from an article in Heavy?

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Well, if you do go to that Heavy article, it includes this passage that Infowars conveniently

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forgot to mention in their article.

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On Reddit, he, quote, responded to a news story in 2018 about French people disliking

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President Donald Trump more than Putin, Xi, and Merkel.

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He wrote, quote, all I know is if the French dislike us for something, we must be doing

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something right.

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They think they're so much more sophisticated and culturally alluring than us, but secretly

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they're jealous of us and want to be us.

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Never forget that, fellow Americans.

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Oh, boy.

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Sounds like a leftist.

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It doesn't sound like a leftist to me.

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Sounds like a demon leftist.

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Really doesn't sound like a leftist.

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Seems like a demon leftist who hates Trump.

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I don't know if there are any leftists I know that would say something along those lines.

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What's the idea that the French dislike us, or they dislike Trump, and if they, the French

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dislike it, that means we must be right.

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Yeah, usually.

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Very leftist argument.

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Usually we say cheese-eating surrender monkeys, ironically.

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It's a fun little switch-em-up.

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Now what's interesting is, absent from any of this coverage, where, I mean, it's the,

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this guy went to St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York with, you know, lighter fluid and

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lighters, they pivot and try and talk about these unrelated Muslim fires on churches and

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stuff like that.

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These insinuations of Muslim guilt and other...

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And then of course they add in the white supremacist fires on black churches, right?

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I'm sure they add those in there.

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It's suspiciously absent from any of the coverage.

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It really seems like it's important, though.

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They don't talk about at all, either on Alex's show that I've heard, or on their website

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at all, the fact that in the past week, Holden Matthews, a 21-year-old son of a sheriff's

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deputy, was arrested for setting fire to three historically African-American churches in

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Louisiana.

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Matthews has pled not guilty, but the fire marshal has provided evidence, including cell

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phone tower records showing that Matthews was at the three churches, and images recovered

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from his phone of the churches on fire before firefighters arrived.

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Okay, that's a...

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So he's...

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Boy, we have got to get a higher class of criminal here, Dan.

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That information, I mean, that evidence has been presented.

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So I mean, sure, innocent until proven guilty, but boy, it don't look good.

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Well, no, these photos I took of my girlfriend being murdered before the cops got there,

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I just walked in and I was like, I better have something to show them to know that I

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didn't do it, right?

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Not guilty.

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Not...

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See, you saw her.

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Three hate crime charges have also been filed against Matthews as the prosecution has indicated

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they have evidence that the arsons were racially motivated.

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A search of Infowars website for the name Holden Matthews yielded zero results.

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The same is true of News Wars and Paul Joseph Watson's new site, summit.news.

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They have not mentioned this at all.

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You know, they're small operations.

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You just don't have the time to cover all the news.

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You know, there's a lot of other stuff that they didn't cover.

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Why aren't you talking about that?

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Like in Chicago, there was a cat that got lost.

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Are you kidding me?

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We don't have time to cover that.

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Why would we cover these historically black churches being burned down by a white supremacist?

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I mean, I would argue that a missing cat is slightly less relevant to the topic that all

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these other articles you're writing about fire and churches and the intersection thereof.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, I can see how you would get that.

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It seems like a topic that Alex is inordinately obsessed with right now.

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It seems like this would be something...

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Here's my point.

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Yeah.

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I would never expect him to deal with this reasonably or rationally, but I would expect

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him to use those as...

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Like it's a false flag, Muslims really did it or something.

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I would expect him to use that as some sort of a way to push his other narratives, and

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I'm just not seeing that, which is weird.

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It's very weird.

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Yeah.

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It does seem like it would be something...

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Because he's always saying that, look, here's what they're going to do.

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They're going to do one of these to blame us.

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That seems like a perfect opportunity for him to be like, hey, see, they're planting

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these white supremacists.

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He's probably on the drugs and he plays video games and all that stuff.

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And obviously I can't listen to literally every episode of his show, try as I might.

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So I figured like maybe I missed it, but if you search his website, there's no articles

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about him, nothing.

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So now finally Alex gets to Barr's press conference.

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This is interesting.

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That's enough of that.

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Let's give the press conference, I said I would, total vindication of the president

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and the proof that the FBI leftist groups were funding the fake PP dossier, BuzzFeed,

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all of it.

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Here it is.

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I'm confused.

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Do they even mention Michael Steele?

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What?

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Barr?

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Yeah.

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No.

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Does he mention the dossier?

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The dirty dossier?

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I don't know.

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He might have.

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I mean, it comes up in the report.

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Yeah, it comes up in the report.

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I didn't realize that he mentioned it in the press conference.

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So I don't care for us to listen to too much of Alex licking Trump's boot by proxy as he

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lavishes praise on William Barr and this press conference about the release of the Mueller

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report.

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We knew all along, Alex, how he would respond no matter what was in the report, no matter

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what action was taken in response to the release of the report.

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If the report found no wrongdoing, we were right all along.

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If the report finds serious wrongdoing, this is a cover up by the deep state Clinton globalists.

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There's no real world outcome that doesn't fit into his narrative.

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So it's almost pointless to even think about it.

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It's the definition of trying to hold sand slipping through your fingers.

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This idea of like, aha, Alex is, this is the direction he's going.

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There's not a whole lot of content to Alex's response to the Mueller report either.

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And what is there is just super predictable and I'm not all that interested in it.

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I kind of feel like covering it is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

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There's something more important that we could be doing, namely discussing what the hell

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is Alex thinking supporting William Barr?

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What the fuck is he doing?

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Oh, Dan, for one thing, let's get into the history of William Barr, because he's a fun

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character.

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He was born in the CIA from 1973 to 1977.

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That was a pretty fucked up stretch of time to be in the CIA.

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For one thing, Watergate was unfolding all around President Nixon during this stretch,

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culminating in his resignation.

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On top of that, Seymour Hersh had just released the Family Jewels reports that outlined how

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the CIA totally assassinated foreign leaders and illegally spied on citizens they thought

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might be subversive, like members of the Black Panthers, women's rights groups, the Israeli

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Embassy and various anti-war groups.

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In response to these revelations being made public, the CIA was in a bit of a strange

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position and they were facing congressional investigations.

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So it's a messed up time to be in the CIA.

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Also in 1976, while William Barr was at the CIA, George H.W. Bush was named Director of

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Central Intelligence.

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Interesting how in May 1990, George H.W. Bush appointed William Barr Deputy Attorney General

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and then about a year later, full on Attorney General.

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Oh, I wonder if something went on around that time for H.W. that William Barr would be...

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During his tenure as attorney...

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Is there a parallel maybe?

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During his tenure as Attorney General, William Barr authored a report titled The Case for

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More Incarceration, which many have credited as being the inspiration and justification

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for the mass incarceration state we've seen explode in the decades since.

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The 1992 report is laughable in its arguments, ranging from things like we shouldn't release

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people from prison early because some people commit crimes after they're released early

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to no one goes to prison for their first crime, they're hardened criminals by the time they

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go in.

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The basic point that Barr is relying on to make his argument is that when rates of incarceration

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go up, they cause crime to go down.

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The years since 1992 and numerous academic studies have not been kind to this line of

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thinking.

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In 1992, the US held approximately 600,000 people in state and federal prisons.

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Ten years later, that number was almost one million people higher.

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In all fairness, the upward trend did begin before Barr's report.

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In even more fairness, he still has blood on his hands for how the report was used to

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expand the prison industrial complex as one of the sections in his report is about how

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we need to build more prisons.

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His report also discusses how to pay for these prisons.

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What do you know?

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His solution is literally counter to one of Alex's ostensible, firmly held beliefs.

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Do you mean civil asset forfeiture?

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Oh, you bet.

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Oh, boy.

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Let's make sure that they have adequate statutory authority for asset forfeiture.

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The Department of Justice has used hundreds of millions of dollars from its asset forfeiture

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fund and the Office of National Drug Control Policy's special forfeiture fund to support

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construction of new federal prisons.

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There's true poetic justice in forcing criminals to pay for prisons.

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Except some of them aren't criminals.

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Poetic justice.

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Except for a lot of that stuff that's taken from...

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Yeah.

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It's fun how poetic justice can sometimes just mean injustice.

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Right.

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Do you mean?

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Often.

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Do you mean evil?

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One of Alex's websites is Prison Planet, and one of the things that he's very concerned

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about is the prison state, yet one of the main architects of said prison state who advocated

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using civil asset forfeiture to pay for the construction of more prisons is now lauded

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as a hero to Alex.

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All it takes for the worst of monsters to him to be rehabilitated is for them to bend

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the knee to Trump.

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Alex Jones is a stupid, cowardly, empty suit over a dress shirt with its collar unbuttoned

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because his big neck is too fucking thick.

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He's the worst.

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He's the worst.

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You shouldn't hate him.

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You shouldn't like William Barr.

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Nobody should like William Barr.

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It's embarrassing.

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Except for H.W.

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He's the only one who should like, well, and all the people that he pardoned.

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Oh, also, yeah, interestingly, in his time as H.W.'s Attorney General, William Barr was

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the one who advised Bush on who to pardon, effectively being instrumental in helping

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Bush cover up his own involvement in both Iran-Contra and Iraq-gate.

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This led New York Times writer William Safire to give him the honorific title cover up General

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Barr.

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Yeah.

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It's almost like there was something in his past that led Trump to choosing him as the

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Attorney General.

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I know it feels like that, and honestly, I understand that impulse, and I think that

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there may be something to it, but it is like... Yeah.

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I fight back against drawing that sort of conclusion, but man.

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Oh, man, it's too dead on.

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It doesn't make sense.

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It is one to one.

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It is one to one.

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Yeah.

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So after he left the Attorney General's office, he started working for a lot of lobbying interests

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and stuff like that, which is another thing that Alex made about half of his Obama deception

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documentary about the idea of hiring people who'd worked in lobbying.

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William Barr is now Trump's Attorney General after spending a lot of time in lobbying interests.

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So William Barr is a piece of shit.

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We can gather that from looking over his record, but I thought it might be fun to see what

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Alex's own website has said about him in the past.

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Steve Watson wrote an article on December 10th, 2018 about how Rand Paul was very troubled

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by Barr being nominated as Attorney General.

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The article quotes Rand Paul as saying, quote, I haven't made a decision about him, but I

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can tell you the first things I've learned about him being for more surveillance of Americans

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is very, very troubling.

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I'm disturbed that he's a big fan of taking people's property, civil asset forfeiture,

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without a conviction.

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You know what's funny?

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As far as I can tell, William Barr's name has never appeared in an article on Infowars,

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News Wars, or Prison Planet before that 2018 article by Steve Watson.

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Jesus.

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And since that point, the articles that have mentioned him completely ignore or dismiss

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his pre-Trump career, the idea that he has all this intense baggage that only appears

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in this one December 10th, 2018 article by Steve Watson.

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And then, you know, those archives go back a long ways, like those are archives of articles

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on News Wars or maybe not News Wars, that's kind of newer, but Infowars and Prison Planet,

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you can find stuff from way back.

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Like early 2000s?

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Yeah.

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Damn.

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And the idea that William Barr's name doesn't come up, the idea that he was so preoccupied

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and obsessed with things that are very similar to what William Barr advocated for.

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Something about odd bedfellows, I believe.

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Strange.

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I think Thomas Jefferson said something about odd bedfellows.

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Yeah.

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So, Alex is presenting this William Barr press conference as being completely exonerating

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of Trump, of course.

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That's the talking point.

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Sure.

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Bananas.

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But he's also pretending to have some sort of an awareness of it, like he's listened

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to it already or watched it, which is kind of undermined by his response.

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Listen carefully.

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This is very soon after he starts playing the press conference.

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This made me laugh.

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As the special counsel report makes clear, the Russian government sought to interfere

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in our election process.

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BS to the special counsel's thorough investigation.

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BS.

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BS.

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Don't believe it.

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That gives you like, if you just listen to that, it kind of gives you a sense of how

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this goes.

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There's not a ton more other than pointing the finger at Democrats and stuff like that.

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This part is fun.

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This is the proof of election meddling by the Democrats.

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And of course, they used Russians that they paid off that are part of the Soros group

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that'll tell any lies they're told to like Trump's in a hotel room, knowing all those

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hotel rooms are bugged, being pissed on by hookers.

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If he was that type of maniac, he'd never gotten where he is.

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So I don't know if that's true, Jordan.

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I think I know a lot of powerful people who have it later on turned out to enjoy being

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paid upon.

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Oh, Jordan.

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Yes, Dan.

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On page 239 of the Mueller report, the dream of the P tape has been reborn.

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Is that the title of it?

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Yeah.

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Is that the title of that chapter?

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I'll tell you, this is the only thing that I really took away from the Mueller report

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because the stuff that I'm most interested in is all the stuff that's redacted.

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All the stuff that involves like Corsi, Ted Malek, Roger Stone, all of his involvement

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is harm to ongoing matter.

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So it's all blacked out.

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So quite honestly, I will come around when Roger's trial starts and stuff like that.

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But for now, a lot of this is stuff that, you know, we'll see what comes of it.

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But as for page 239, in that report, there is an indication not reliant on the Steele

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dossier that there are or were compromising tapes in the possession of the Russian government.

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On the report, quote, on October 30th, 2016, Michael Cohen received a text from Russian

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businessman Georgy Ryskhildze that said, quote, stopped flow of tapes from Russia, but not

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sure there's anything else, just so you know, dot, dot, dot.

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Georgy said tapes referred to compromising tapes of Trump rumored to be held by personas

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associated with Russian real estate conglomerate Crocus Group.

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I'm not saying the P tape is real.

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I'm just saying that Alex's defense about it just got a whole lot weaker because that's

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not the Steele dossier.

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No.

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That's text messages that they recovered from Michael Cohen.

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Well, if I remember correctly, though, the theory that they had for that was they were

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fucking with Michael Cohen.

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Shut up.

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The P tape's real.

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I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly.

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I don't care if they were or not.

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The theory was that those guys were actually just fucking with Michael Cohen.

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Very well, maybe.

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Yeah.

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I don't give a shit.

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The dream is alive.

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OK.

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So in this next clip, Alex pauses Barr's press conference to make a wild assertion that I

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think is indicating that he doesn't really know what he's talking about.

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First, the report details efforts by the Internet Research Agency, a Russian company with close

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ties to the Russian government, to sow social discord among American voters through disinformation

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and social media operations following a thorough investigation.

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It's linked up with RT.

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You go watch RT now.

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It's the most leftist stuff I've ever seen in my life, most of the time, unwatchable.

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That is supposedly the influencer with almost no viewers in the U.S. RT, RT was OK like

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five years ago.

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RT is a joke in the United States.

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Unbelievable crap that influenced our election.

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That's the same thing.

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RT, Internet Research Agency, all that crap.

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No, it's not.

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He's asserting that the IRA is the same thing as our team.

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That's insane.

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That's insane.

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No, that isn't it.

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So in this next clip, Alex says that the Mueller report is really just evidence that they tried

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to get Republicans and conservatives to flip on Trump like they tried to bribe them to

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lie about that.

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But it didn't work.

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That's all it's proof of.

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I really don't think so.

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That's all it's proof of.

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I think it's actually proof of a lot of other stuff.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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No, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of proof in there of a lot of stuff that I don't think

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Alex likes.

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It's only proof that they tried to pay Republicans to flip on Trump.

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None of them would.

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Right.

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No, but I remember reading it, but I read it, but there was a lot of proof in there

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of a lot of other stuff.

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Nope.

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If you read it, then see if this squares with your reading.

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I'm going to go no preemptively.

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Well, don't be so fucking prejudiced.

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Sorry.

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Come back with the meat and potatoes where he says 100 percent Trump and involved in

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nothing.

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Let's back it up.

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20 seconds.

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Thanks.

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Yes.

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But here's the big takeaway from this.

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They tried to get thousands of Americans to take money.

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We're talking millions of dollars in some cases to sell out, and none of them would

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do it.

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None of them.

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You know, they've been asking Democrats to sell out the country for money.

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They'd say, hell, I don't want money.

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I want to F America.

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In the beat.

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America was never great.

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It'll never be great.

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Their religion is hating this country.

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These aren't Americans, folks.

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They aren't.

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Whoa.

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They're enemies.

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Whoa.

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That's really the only reason I kept that clip in, because first of all, I love rain

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sound effects.

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I have to fall asleep to thunderstorms every night as a white noise machine.

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Oh, that's nice.

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So I like Alex talking about how Democrats aren't Americans and their enemies over weird

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drizzle.

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But that's what's important.

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That's what's important.

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That's the that's the I don't know.

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It's not dehumanizing because it's still like I guess they're people, but they're not they're

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not they're not over this country.

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No, you don't even need to work with enemies of the state.

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They're enemies.

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They deserve traitors.

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Yeah.

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Whatever they get, they get.

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Yeah.

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And they have it coming.

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Yeah.

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And if that means, you know, you have a shotgun, you know, things happen, things happen.

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Somebody's somebody's a good guy.

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Somebody's a bad guy.

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I'm not saying what to do with that shotgun, but, you know, which guy is a bad guy?

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It does.

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I mean, that's not literally what he's saying, but that, you know, we know from living long

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enough and knowing enough history that that's the that's the direction this sort of rhetoric

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tends to tends to go.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't get better.

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Like, it's not like you start from a position of this group I politically disagree with

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aren't members of our society.

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And then you're like, and you know what, two weeks later, I think they're great.

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It tends towards getting worse.

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That sentence never ends with, look, these guys aren't Americans.

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They're our enemies.

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But they've got some pretty good ideas.

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And I think we should hear them out.

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That's not usually how that goes.

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Never.

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Never.

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So, Alex, you know, he's listening to this William Barr thing.

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And the reason he yelled B.S. at that point earlier.

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Well, it wasn't the Russians.

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It was the Democrats who hired the Russians to lie about it being the Russians.

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Alex does not believe it was the Russians.

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No, of course not.

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Which he talks about a little bit in this next clip.

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Where's the beef?

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We will see with the Assange prosecution coming out.

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It's in the report.

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Where's the proof that Assange got the beef from the Russians?

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Because we know it came from people like Snowden in the past and others, and Bradley Manning,

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not the Russians.

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And the download speeds have been looked at forensically, and they've confirmed that you

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couldn't get this over the Internet that fast.

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It was gotten on thumb drives.

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Amazing.

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Amazing.

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It is amazing.

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So this is Alex Jones spreading Seth Rich conspiracies without having to take the risk

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of saying his name.

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Yep.

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That's all this is.

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Alex's narrative is that Hillary Clinton is actually the one who was in bed with Russia,

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and so she sold off all our uranium and all that bullshit.

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So in order for that narrative to stand up at all, he needs to find a way to reject the

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idea that the GRU or Russian operatives hacked and disseminated her campaign manager and

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the DNC's email in an effort to aid the Trump campaign.

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Do you understand how stupid that sounds if he's trying to make both of those arguments?

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Sounds really stupid.

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They are very difficult to hold in the same space as thoughts.

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The most professional cognitive dissonancer would still have trouble with that.

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Right, because it would be hard if they're secretly in cahoots, but also they did this

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against her.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't make sense.

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No.

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The way he's done this in the past and made this make sense, that it wasn't Russia behind

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them, and she's actually secretly in bed with Russia, being able to maintain those.

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The way he's done that in the past is to say that Seth Rich leaked the information to WikiLeaks

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and Hillary killed him because of it.

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In the present day, he's being sued by murder victims' families, so I think he's feeling

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a little bit cautious about creating more of those situations in his life.

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The Rich family has been pretty clear that they're sick of the bullshit and they don't

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appreciate people exploiting their son's death, so he's wise to keep his name out of his mouth.

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But that doesn't take away Alex's need for that narrative.

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If that explanation for the provenance of emails goes away, he's left with having to

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accept that Russia hacked the email of the person that they were working with in order

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to help the person who was running against her, which is a tough needle to thread for

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anyone.

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Alex needs the Seth Rich narrative, but he knows that he has to be coy about it, so he

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just uses the part of it that he just did, the idea that download speeds were too fast

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in order for it to have been a hack.

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That makes sense.

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You couldn't get this over the internet.

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It had to be a flash drive, memory stick download.

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I remember that we live in, what was it?

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That was 2016, right?

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And we didn't have the technology to put things in the air.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Alex is getting this information from William Binney, a man who had a decent run as a legitimate

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critic of the NSA.

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And the inventor of the beverage depot.

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Oh, I know what you're talking about.

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Got a liquor story in Chicago, took me a second.

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So he had a decent run as a legitimate critic of the NSA, but he began appearing only on

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right wing conspiracy shows and eventually became that which he surrounded himself with.

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His credibility is shit.

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My favorite example from our show, in case you've forgotten, was when he came on Alex's

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show pretending that he had a copy of the classified Devin Nunez memo from the hashtag

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release the memo craze of 2018.

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But in reality, he had a completely unrelated and very old memo that he was passing off

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as this real one, which should give everyone cause for pause.

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Anyway, Binney is part of a group called the veteran intelligence professionals for sanity

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or VIPs.

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It's unclear how many members of this group there are.

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And honestly, who gives a shit?

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They were formed in January 2003, inspired by faulty intelligence that was being used

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by the Bush administration to go to war in Iraq.

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Their first effort stands up to historical scrutiny quite well.

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A lot of the rest of their work is scattershot at best.

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One of the reasons for that is that their members often don't agree on things.

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One wing of the group will release a memo about something leaving other members to release

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dissenting memos.

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It's kind of a mess.

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So they're like The Strokes.

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You know, they had a really great first album around 2000, early 2000.

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I would agree or disagree if I knew anything other than The Strokes first album.

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Well there you go.

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I can't speak to it.

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In July 2017, the side of VIPs that Binney is on released a memo citing the work of someone

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who only is known as the forensicator.

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I'm not making that up.

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Is that a Spider-Man villain?

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The forensicator.

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And Tuesdays on TNT.

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So this memo argues that there's no way that the DNC files were copied by a hack.

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They had to have been taken by a flash drive because the size of the files and the time

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it took to copy them were impossible to square with physically possible download speeds.

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And they reported this...

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Says who?

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Well they reported this also as a certainty.

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Says fucking who?

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So naturally this fed the Seth Rich narrative quite well.

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And it gave it the appearance of credibility.

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Here's this group of veteran intelligence professionals saying that it's literally impossible

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for this to have been a hack.

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So therefore Russia didn't do it.

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And they even got the forensicator to sign off?

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I mean case closed.

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Hold on one more time.

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Case closed.

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Hold on one more time.

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What?

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I want to...

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I need more sentences to use that.

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And they brought the forensicator in?

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You kidding me?

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How'd they get the forensicator?

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Alex started promoting this narrative as did all of the right wing con men who were eager

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to let everyone know that William Binney had their back and it was impossible that Russia

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hacked those emails.

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Unfortunately people started to do some examination of the claims of the VIPPS memo and found

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them to be complete bullshit.

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They got the forensicator catered.

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That's what they did.

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Nathaniel Fritas, an associate fellow at the Berkman Klein Center of Technology at Harvard,

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did an analysis and found that the memo made some really faulty assumptions.

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He found that while the claim that the download speeds required to copy all this information

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in the time allotted would be impossible, using commercially available at home internet

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connections, available from like Xfinity.

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But let's say you were the GRU.

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Those speeds quote could be achieved by a variety of other digital communications configurations,

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a high speed business grade internet service provider, an interoffice local area network,

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communications between servers within a commercial cloud provider, and they even said yes those

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speeds would be what you get with flash drive also but there were other possibilities.

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It would have to have been downloaded in upwards of 10 megabytes per second, Dan.

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We don't have the technology.

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All of these possibilities were just discounted by the VIPPS memo because they were working

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towards the flash drive conclusion as opposed to considering all possibilities, which is

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a good reason to be suspicious.

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After the memo was used as the basis for an article in The Nation, other members of VIPPS

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felt that they had an obligation to speak up and point out that they didn't agree with

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the conclusions being put forth.

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These other memos chastise the writer of the original memo for not including any quote

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qualifiers disclaimers or dissenting views nor offering any alternative theories and

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for presenting their argument as a quote slam dunk.

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They sum up their feelings thusly quote the bottom line this VIPPS memo was hastily written

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based on a flawed analysis of third party analyses, the forensicator, and then thrown

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against the wall waiting to see what would stick.

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There's only one reason to hold on to this impossible download speed argument at this

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point after the analysis has been done on it and the only reason is to continue to spread

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Seth Rich conspiracies long past their expiration date and it's bad.

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It's really bad.

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That's what Alex is doing here.

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Well, he's the lie-ocator.

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The non-confirmer.

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That wasn't good.

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Non-confirmer?

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Right.

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So, one of the other things that Alex has to wrestle with is the idea that in the Mueller

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report there are 10 instances of Trump like pretty clearly obstructing justice.

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Um, yeah.

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You want to speak a little on that?

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Uh, so, the report-

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I'm not asking you to list them.

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No, no, no.

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I'm not doing that.

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The report as I read it, which is one of the interesting things, everything I keep reading

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about people's takes on it is so all across the board.

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Right.

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People bring a lot of-

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Yeah.

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Their own baggage to it.

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Yeah.

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When you bring things into the text.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Basically, Mueller concluded that Trump obstructed justice and he didn't conclude that there

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was no collusion because that's not really a thing.

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They concluded that there was no evidence.

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It concluded that conspiracy would be impossible to prove because everybody was either lying

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to him or wouldn't talk to him.

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Or destroyed evidence.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So, he didn't clear him of collusion or conspiracy.

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He said we couldn't prove.

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We were unable to-

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Exactly.

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To confirm.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which is like saying we were unable to prove that this mob boss killed everybody because

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for some reason nobody's testifying and everybody that we did get to testify is dead.

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Yeah.

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Isn't that weird?

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Yeah.

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Can't convict him there.

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I was looking over Trump's answers to questions in the appendix, whatever, at the bottom towards

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the end of the report.

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I was like, why did we even do this?

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Yeah.

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What's the fucking point?

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I mean, investigation is important and stuff like that because you can find these text

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messages and emails and stuff that help build more understanding.

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Just reading over Trump's fucking answers, I was just like, who didn't think that was

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what's going to happen?

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No kidding.

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Just like, I don't remember anything.

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Like what?

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He was going to tell the truth?

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Good God, no.

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Right.

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And then as far as the obstruction shit goes-

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Ten instances.

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I think it's actually a total of 11, but based on every kind of prosecutorial review of that

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section I could find was if they had two out of those 11, they would get a conviction in

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two weeks.

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Right.

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Like that's basically the situation.

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Mueller wrote them a conviction and he didn't want to actually convict him because it's

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against the Justice Department's memo.

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It's not like they couldn't do it.

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The whole investigation started from the point of, we are not going to convict him of a crime.

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We are only going to prove he committed all of these crimes.

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And then Congress, if you were a functioning democracy, would take care of this.

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So yeah, Trump did that shit.

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So there are all these instances of obstruction that are referenced in the report itself.

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And that's tough for Alex to get around.

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Whoops.

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No, it's not.

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Oh, it's not?

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Trump moves into the area of obstruction.

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That's when the president says, I'm innocent.

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None of us took money from Russia.

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This is a bunch of crap.

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Not what he did.

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He would reportedly cuss at people, which is what you do when you're being accused of

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being a foreign agent.

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When you're Mr. Red, white and blue, you get pissed off.

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That's what happens.

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I'm sorry.

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Somebody ever accuses you of being a traitor.

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See how it feels.

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See, a Democrat would love that because they hate America.

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The average Democrat would say, yeah, of course I hate America.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Those of us that care about the country and are honorable, it gets our blood temperature

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up.

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So if you care about America, you would obstruct justice.

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You?

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Yeah.

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I guess that is the implication.

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Yeah.

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Let's play that out.

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Let's be a couple of Democrats.

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All right.

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All right.

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You want to start the scene?

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You're a traitor.

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Well, yeah, of course.

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Well, thank you so much.

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It's like complimentary.

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You're a traitor.

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Thank you.

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Oh, hey.

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You want to get a drink?

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You want to get a drink?

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It'd be like that.

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At the Traitoring Hole?

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It'd be like that the old way that Sean Hannity would answer calls on his radio show.

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It'd be like a caller would call in and be like, Sean, you're a great American.

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And you'd respond, you're a great American.

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I always loved that so much.

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You're a great American.

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You're a great American.

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You don't know who that person is.

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My favorite parts of the Mueller Report are so ridiculous just because it's like, it's

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like every part of the Mueller Report that isn't a direct proven obstruction of justice

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is always because it was attempted obstruction of justice.

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Like every time Trump would be like, hey, go commit the most obstruction of justice

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you possibly can.

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They'd be like, um.

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Like telling McCann to fire whoever.

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What are you doing keeping notes?

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I'm a lawyer.

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My other lawyers don't keep notes.

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You're a con man?

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Yeah, and there's a an important distinction to that, like, you know, obstruction of justice

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doesn't require an underlying crime.

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Not like even if you're innocent of the underlying crime, obstructing justice for whatever reason

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is still a crime.

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Even one time it's a crime.

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A lot of times it's a lot of crime.

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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But I mean, I guess Trump just swore because he was mad because he's such a patriot.

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Oh, he's such a patriot.

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And the media is lying about him.

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They are.

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And that's why.

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The Mueller report.

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Right.

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But that's why.

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But mostly the media covering the Mueller report.

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And that's why Alex has this suggestion for his audience.

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Put placards out on your house or on your car or whatever.

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MSM is the enemy.

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Democratic Party is the enemy.

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Democrats that used to be the enemy.

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There's still some Democrats that are good people that are just brainwashed.

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But the lockstep Democrats from mid-level to the top are a globalist cult sworn to conquer

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the nation.

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Well, I mean, cool.

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Then what are you doing?

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What are you what are you doing?

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You're I mean, you're telling people to put up signs that they're the enemy.

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You're saying that they're sworn to destroy the country, right?

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But let's keep them around.

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Well, there are some of them that are good that are just brainwashed, right?

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You know, you don't you don't want to look you don't want to execute an innocent man

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on death row.

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So you make sure that everything is taken care of.

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We have to leave all the Democrats alone because there are a couple of good ones, whatever,

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whatever the case is.

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This is fucking extreme language.

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Yeah, that's pretty irresponsible.

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Yeah.

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He wants people to die.

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But, you know, I mean, some of the people that he's clearly against in the media, Democrats,

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they're people who maybe some of them work for The New York Times.

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And I should tell you this.

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Alex is about to say something that ain't true.

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There are so many New York Times articles routinely on the front page of the paper or

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on the front page of the website that I don't even read most of them.

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Now, that would be true.

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That sounds true.

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Alex saying he doesn't read stuff is true.

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I will always err on the side of truth when he says he didn't read something.

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But based on what he says next, it's clear that he misspoke.

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What he meant to say is there's so many front page stories in The New York Times about me

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because you read them and it's like painful.

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Not that they're attacking me, but that they're such liars.

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It's crazy.

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They're hurt feelers.

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I don't believe that Alex has ever been on the front page of The New York Times.

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Maybe like when the Sandy Hook lawsuits broke or something like that.

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But I can't imagine.

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What would I say?

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I would say the over-under is three and a half times he's been on the front page.

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You think so?

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And I'd take the under.

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Three and a half seems high.

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That's why I took the under.

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Yeah, I would stick with two and a half.

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If I was going to lay odds on this one, if I was a Vegas betting guy, that's where I

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would go.

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Over-under is two and a half.

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All right.

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Actually, I would still take the under on that.

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Somehow I want to have this over-under be negative one and a half just in case they

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put him on The New York Times front page one time and then ripped all of them off.

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I could see a couple of times him being on there, though.

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You think?

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Yeah.

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Maybe in relation to Stone or something like that.

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Well, maybe in a blurb.

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Yeah, certainly not the...

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Oh, he wouldn't be the headline.

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No.

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No, it would be him mentioned on the front page?

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Under the fold?

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Uh, yeah.

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I don't know.

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I think page six they see him a lot with Johnny Depp.

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Alex is seriously exaggerating how often he's on the front page of The fucking New York

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Times.

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Maybe his wedding was on Notable Weddings?

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Maybe that could have been there?

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Nope.

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Because he won't let people know what her name is.

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Keeps her name a secret.

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Wouldn't put that wedding announcement in the fucking Globalist New York Times.

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So Alex got a call from The New York Times reporter who wrote this story about his deposition

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video, I think.

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I'm pretty...

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No, never mind.

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This is about talking about that New York Times article, but the writer who called

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him different guy.

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Different guy.

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Different guy.

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Okay.

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And much like Alex saying that he's on the cover of The New York Times a lot.

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Not true.

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This story also very not true.

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And I was told by a New York Times writer about a year and a half ago, they said, you

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need to basically come in and join us and turn against Trump.

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You're going to be destroyed.

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This is an off-record conversation, meaning I can't say who told me this, but they said,

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you're the low hanging fruit that you don't have to reach.

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So they want to get you and they think you're the populace that got him elected so they

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can destroy you.

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They destroy his base.

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And I go, you mean you attack me.

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I turn against him and my base turns against him.

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And I said, there's one way I'll turn against Trump.

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And that's if he turns against the Republic.

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Point of order.

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Alex says at this point turned on Trump like four times.

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Yeah.

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You can put a gun to my head.

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Or up your dirty asshole.

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And I told that son of a bitch, don't you ever call me again.

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Oh yeah.

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You tell that New York Times reporter, you son of a bitch, you never call her again.

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But please, please call her again, I need traffic.

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One of the reasons people say things are off the record and they agree to it is so you

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don't burn the source.

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If part of your conversation is I hate you and I never want to speak to you again, you

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would feel free to burn that source, would you not?

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This is how a child deals with off the record.

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Because you made the salient point, which is you have to agree to both parties.

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Both parties.

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Yeah.

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Remember Scaramucci's article where he's like, I thought that was off the record.

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And the guy's like, no, nope.

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Why would you think that?

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Yeah.

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Also a lot of the time, whenever things are off the record, you're not allowed to talk

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about them, not just who said it.

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So the idea that he's holding to some sort of journalistic standard is imagined.

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He's making this up.

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Well, maybe he was using a voice modulator so he couldn't even tell who the person was.

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And the first thing that the guy said was, it's off the record.

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I am New York Times robot.

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He was just a guy with a stoma.

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Right.

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Could be.

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So Alex here now tries to read that article about himself in the New York Times to talk

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about it, where he's the consolation prize for not being able to take down Trump.

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Unfortunately, he can't find the part of the text that says consolation prize.

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Of course.

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And so it goes bad.

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Does he have command?

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It's a consolation prize to see Jones, even though we can't get Trump control of consolation

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prize.

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So that's all this is, is I'm like the symbolic simulation of victory for the horrible miscreant

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left with one of their people just got caught trying to firebomb St. Patrick Cathedral in

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New York yesterday.

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One of their people?

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They're so mad they don't control reality anymore.

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They don't know what to do.

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There's no evidence that that was one of the left.

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One of their people.

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One of their people.

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There's no there's no indications of that.

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Alex is just making shit up.

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Hey, anybody who would do something like that is one of their people, right?

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Is that that that's one of those classical logical fallacies?

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Yep.

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Fuck off with that nonsense.

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So the reason that Alex is talking about this this article, what's really stuck in his craw

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is the idea that the article is pointing out that under oath in the deposition, he can't

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provide any evidence of the claims that he was making about Sandy Hook, particularly

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the incident of him talking about there being someone arrested in SWAT gear in the woods.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is decided that he can prove those things.

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No, no, Alex, no.

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This next clip, God damn it, Barnes, get in here.

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Where are you?

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I guess that next clip is crazy.

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And as I said, the deposition.

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Yeah, I think there still could be a second shooter at large.

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There's something going on here, took him six years to put a report out on this.

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It's not illegal to question things.

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So there's something big in Sandy Hook.

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So here they are on this article saying Jones caught making up man in the woods.

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Well, here's a few of the newscast clips that I'll show you a bunch of newspapers.

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Here it is.

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So he just ends up playing the clips that he based his conspiracy on the first time

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around.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's really interesting.

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We'll get into some of the dynamics of what's going on here.

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It's incredibly fucked up.

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But the thing that he's talking about, there's something up here is that he has now found

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out that Chris Murphy and Blumenthal, they have like, they, one of them ran comedy duo

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Murphy, Murphy and Blumenthal, classic vaudevillian duo.

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Murphy apparently ran on Sandy Hook when he got into office.

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What?

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That's what Alex is alleging.

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That's what he's found?

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And then Blumenthal is like related to somebody who works at a business of some sort and it's

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a conspiracy.

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Smoking guns.

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So Alex is saying that these two are attacking him because of Sandy Hook, because there's

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some grander conspiracy.

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But also Alex needs you to know that there's a second shooter that he believes is still

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on the lam.

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Okay.

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So is he just trying to add like amicus briefs from different new plaintiffs?

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Is that what he's going for?

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I'm not sure.

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But is he trying to get a class action lawsuit?

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Can you have a class action defamation lawsuit?

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I think you could.

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But yeah, but then I think, I think, you know, he's, he's in for a penny in for a pound and

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he's already in the middle of this lawsuit.

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So why not make the persecution even greater?

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Right.

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Why not?

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Why not turn it into a thing where everyone, I don't know, because it's still not like

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what he's doing isn't illegal.

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Like it's not defamation to say that he still believes that there's a second shooter that's

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still on the loose.

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No, it's fucking stupid.

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Do you know the, the KFC double down sandwich is not illegal, but it's fucking stupid.

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So Alex plays these, uh, these videos, um, and then he gets to some news articles that

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justify his like, this is why, you know, this is why I'm questioning things and we'll see

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how good these articles are.

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More attacks and drills, coincidence or conspiracy.

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This article gets into all the drills we're running that day.

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So this is an article on Skeptoid, which is a blog post that Alex is trying to use to

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justify his arguments that there was a drill that overlapped with the shooting at Sandy

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Hook.

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The article does point out that there was a shooter drill in Bridgeport, Connecticut

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that day, but that's a completely different city.

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Also, Alex might not want to draw people's attention to this article as it very clearly

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says the idea that attacks and drills are related.

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It says this of that quote, this entire theory seems to have caught fire thanks to a post

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from Alex Jones acolyte, Mike Adams, trying to turn a tragedy into a conspiracy.

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It goes on, it goes on to say, quote, we also have to realize that for the few times drills

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and terror attacks coincided with each other, there have been countless other times that

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drills were conducted without incident or anything unusual happening.

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You just don't hear about them because there's no reason to.

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Nothing happened doesn't make for much of a conspiracy after all.

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While the headline that Alex reads seems to look good for Alex's point, the body of the

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article is actually a condemnation of his worldview and the way he and his team try

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and exploit tragedies.

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I feel like this is a theme on our show.

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He really needs to read the things he brings up.

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People really got to start reading.

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Can't skim.

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Why is a stupid fuck?

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Can't skim, man.

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So he comes up with another piece of information from, you know, right around the, you know,

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the months after Sandy Hook.

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And it's not good either.

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Sandy Hook, D.A. cites potential suspects, fears, witness, safety, says we got to keep

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everything secret.

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This is months after it happened because there might be another shooter.

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That's three months later.

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February of the next year.

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So we're saying, hey, there may be more shooters.

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Well, the D.A. said that.

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How about you sue him?

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See, what they don't want is you looking into this.

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And I don't know what's going on here, but this is getting crazy.

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Something's up.

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He's spreading fucking seeds.

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This isn't suspicious at all.

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This article that Alex is pointing to.

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This was, you know, the attack, the shooting was an attack where 28 people were murdered

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at a school.

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This article came out on February 5th, 2013, only 54 days after the shooting.

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So it's very reasonable to believe that the investigation was still very much ongoing

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at that point.

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As to the idea that the D.A. thought there were multiple suspects, that's not totally

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accurate based on the article.

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The article goes on to quote Public Affairs Officer Lieutenant Paul Vance as saying, quote,

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whenever you conduct an investigation, you don't speculate as to where it's going to

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take you.

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As I said, we're going to look at every single thing, every piece of material, and we'll

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take it from there.

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The article explains that the D.A. was concerned about unsealing warrants related to the case

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because it would, quote, identify persons cooperating with the investigation, which

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could be dangerous for them.

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Oh, yeah.

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What if their names got out and some crazy conspiracy website would just go and like

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give their names out and maybe publish their addresses and make sure people thought that

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they were OK?

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That would never happen.

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OK, good.

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The D.A. didn't specifically say that it was dangerous because the secret other shooter

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would get them.

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He was saying just generally it could be a threat to their safety.

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As you're pointing out, by February 5th, 2013, the conspiracies about Sandy Hook were already

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running full steam ahead.

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This isn't the basis for a conspiracy theory, and honestly, the conspiracy theories flying

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around are pretty strong arguments for not releasing those people's names, as you very

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easily were able to suss out.

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Now, the idea they do talk about in the article, the idea that there could be other possible

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suspects, but it's not necessarily even clear if they're talking about other suspects in

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the shooting or possibly an investigation into where these guns came from or something

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like that.

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The idea of online contacts he could have had, you know, that suspect doesn't mean suspect

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in the shooting necessarily as more suspect of a larger investigation is another entirely

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sensible interpretation of that article.

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Yeah, there are plenty of times that we've seen where the shooter was the only crime.

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You know, they got their guns legally, they got all that stuff legally.

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It was just the one crime occurred.

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But there are also tons of other times where that one crime was the culmination of 15 other

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crimes that had to happen to get there, you know?

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So at this point, Alex plays that video of the helicopter footage of the three cops running

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together that appears to be a chase because one of them is dressed differently than the

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other two.

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I thought he was just going to show the footage from Rocky IV where Rocky and Apollo Creed

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were running on the beach.

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Nope.

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That's in the fourth hour.

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Oh, okay.

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That's once Nick Begich takes over and plays Rocky in its entirety.

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That would be great.

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I would watch that.

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So Alex plays this video and it's proof for him.

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All right, so if you're a TV viewer, you can see all this.

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Everyone I talk to goes, yeah, I remember on the news.

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We've even got a low res version.

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We're digging through all our archives because we taped it that day.

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We have an HD one where you can totally see the guy, black shirt camo.

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He's in the grass.

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You can see it in the footage we just showed with the three cops with guns out on him.

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They're wearing blue, so they stand out, but he blends into the grass.

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That's not true.

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They don't have guns on him.

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That's nonsense.

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You can tell from any version of the video that at least one of them is casually walking

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around.

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They don't have guns drawn on this guy at all.

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And we already talked about what's going on with this.

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Ad nauseam.

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So, but here's the...

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Jordan, there's something really weird happening and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

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With Sandy Hook?

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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With Alex.

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Okay.

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On the one hand, I think this is kind of funny, but on the other hand, it's pretty scary about

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what the consequences that could come of this could be.

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Based on Alex's behavior over the past weeks, I'm pretty convinced that Alex Jones in 2019

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is confused about what happened in late 2012 and early 2013.

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I get the sense that he doesn't remember the arguments he made back then about Sandy Hook,

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most likely because he just can't get himself to give a shit.

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Now, because he was confronted about making up stuff about SWAT members in the woods in

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his deposition, he feels compelled to go back and confirm to himself that he wasn't just

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making that up, which on its own is a pretty good impulse, I think.

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Go check on yourself.

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So he goes back and he finds the video of the three cops running in the woods that looks

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like a chase.

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He finds this video of a man saying he saw the police walking a guy in camo pants to

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a squad car.

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He finds these quote unquote anomalies that led him down that road to begin with.

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All of these things are examples of pieces of content that were taken out of context

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and spun into conspiracy.

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The helicopter footage of the three cops doesn't show an arrest.

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That was very clearly a misunderstanding.

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The man in camo pants was not the same person and also has been explained.

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A responsible way for Alex to cover this would be to show these things and explain to his

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audience how he and so many others had got it wrong.

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It wouldn't jeopardize his legal case right now at all.

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And it would still achieve his desired result of making the argument that he wasn't making

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things up.

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The deposition was wrong about him.

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He had something that he was basing these things on.

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He was just responding to people who they got it wrong.

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That would be totally fine.

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It wouldn't be humiliating at all.

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It would be a sensible way to present this like these people in this New York Times article

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are lying about me.

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Now, I was wrong about the conclusions that we were led to, but it was based on this,

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this and this.

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But Alex isn't doing that.

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He can't do it.

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No, no, no.

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No, no, no.

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I get the sense that he's having his mind blown all over again by these things.

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I didn't consider that.

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I didn't consider that this is just a restarting of the cycle for him.

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This is just the start of all over again.

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You can hear him saying that he still thinks that there's a second shooter and that something

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is up there.

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I just worry that what's happening is that Alex watched this helicopter video and his

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response wasn't, we got that wrong, but our intentions were good.

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It's holy shit.

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It was fake.

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It was fake.

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I need to retract my apology from a couple of months ago.

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Oh my God, I was wrong to stop talking about this.

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I think because he doesn't care, he's forgotten that these things are all explained already

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because there's an energy behind him talking about this helicopter footage.

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Yeah, that's true.

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There's an energy behind him talking about this DA and the multiple shooters argument.

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There's an energy behind the drills and attacks confluence argument that he's making that

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I'm worried, I don't know if he's going to, but I'm worried this is going to transition

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into a new, much like the P-Tape is rebooting.

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Alex's Sandy Hook denial is going to.

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And he also found Blumenthal and Murray in there.

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Murphy.

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Murphy.

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So that means that he's still looking for more evidence that it was a false flag.

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Or he's trying to find a new way to do the same stuff, present himself as intrepid and

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brave and not cross the line of outright libel.

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He is an insane person.

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Yeah, this is dumb.

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This is a bad idea.

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That is insane.

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It's it's really weird, because when I heard when I heard him first say like much earlier

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in the episode that like I found all the stuff that that proves that I wasn't lying.

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And so I was like, you're never going to play that shit.

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And then he plays it.

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And I'm like, wow, you're not explaining why you were wrong about this, man.

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You're playing this stuff and it seems to be reinforcing an argument that you were not

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only right to question things, but there's a cover that there's still something going

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on.

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And in fact, you might start saying that the Sandy Hook parents suing you is the crisis

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act.

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Well, I think he I don't I don't think that would be wise, but I think it would be wise.

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He is already implying that the lawsuits are an attack on him, probably from Blumenthal

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and Murphy, who were involved in this cover up of the second shooter at Sandy Hook.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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I'm worried that that's where this is going to go.

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I don't look forward to talking.

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And then Barnes, I see him on his bed just throwing one hundred dollar bills in the air,

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lighting, lighting a cigar with a burning one.

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Benjamin, like, this is insane.

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Total mess.

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Oh, my God.

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What an idiot.

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So Alex starts taking calls and he wants to take calls on the Mueller report.

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And he's not getting a lot of real good stuff.

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Just came out.

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None of it.

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It's tough for him.

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It's tough for his listeners.

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I'm not saying they they read as poorly as Alex.

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I was going to say at all.

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I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and to say that they could read maybe if possible.

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Well, we got one caller, at least, who was who had read some.

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, that's nice.

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He was talking about like, you know, I know that, you know, you know, that Trump is maligned

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here and what have you.

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But like you, you're being delusional if you're looking at this report and you're not imagining

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Obama's name in there instead of Trump.

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Yeah.

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How fucking furious everyone on your side would be.

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And Alex just can't handle that.

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So he's like, well, you know, you know, you just it's not obstruction.

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He just did these things because he was mad because of people calling them names.

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You've got to go that that I'm I'm so angry at how effective that that line has become

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of just him.

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Well, look, it wasn't obstruction.

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He was just mad.

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Yeah.

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And people are repeating that like that's an OK thing.

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Well, the caller wasn't repeating that.

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No, no, exactly.

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Alex, I'm I'm seeing a lot of people with Barr.

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I haven't like with Barr being like, hey, look, what we need to know in advance is that,

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yes, maybe he obstructed justice, but it was out of frustration.

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Yeah, he was angry.

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He was.

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He was having a tantrum.

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Yeah, he was mad.

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Yeah.

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Everybody knows that it's legal to commit crimes when you're angry and frustrated with

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people.

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He should have just had a Snickers.

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Exactly.

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He was hungry.

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He was angry.

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Come on.

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So Alex doesn't have much time for that guy who calls.

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But he doesn't he doesn't hang up on him as quickly as I thought he would.

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But it was a very short call.

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He gets another call.

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And this one he is way more into.

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And this lady is nuts.

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Democrats are the demon party.

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I renamed them the demon party because they hate President Trump.

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I'll say this.

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I have no bottom now.

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I mean, I used to be 50, 50, 20 years ago.

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I wasn't really Republican or Democrat.

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Some stuff Democrats did was good.

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But I mean, the Democrats now have converted to pure evil.

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I mean, it's just true.

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Well, you know, Alex, God knows what they're doing.

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There's a retired firefighter that I watch on YouTube.

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He's from Florida.

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His name is.

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Oh, man, Mark Taylor.

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If you never heard of him, look him up.

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I've heard of him.

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Really good guy.

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We want to get him on.

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Oh, interesting response.

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You know, Mark Taylor.

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I do not know who Mark Taylor.

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Well, now you know.

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I don't follow along with a lot of retired firefighters YouTube channels.

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Mark Taylor is a complete lunatic and he's a frequent guest on The Jim Baker Show.

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Sounds right.

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He's probably most notable for releasing a movie called The Trump Prophecy in 2018.

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The movie was based on a book he wrote about how God told him back in 2011 that Trump was

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going to become president and that his election was ordained by God.

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Interestingly, this book came out on August 23rd, 2017, and I can find no evidence he

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ever shared this prophecy with the world until after it had come true, which is not suspicious

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at all.

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Well, you don't want to share prophecies with people.

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It's like your birthday wish.

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You know, if you tell people the prophecy, then it won't come true.

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That's just that's everybody knows that Taylor claims his prophecy that Trump would become

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president was confirmed to him when he heard a train horn during Antonin Scalia's funeral

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quote.

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If you go back to Antonin Scalia's funeral, when they were carrying his body up the steps,

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there were two signs that were given by God that the confirmation of Merrick Garland was

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not going to happen.

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The two signs that were given, there was a there was a reverence there.

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It was very quiet and there was a there was a siren in the background at the bottom of

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the steps.

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Well, when they got to the top of the steps, the siren fades away and all of a sudden you

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hear this enormous train horn.

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And what the Lord was saying was, don't fear America.

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Help is on the way.

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The siren.

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The siren is being reserved from my anointed Trump from the Trump train.

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Wow.

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That's crazy.

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Crazy.

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Yeah.

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That is crazy.

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That's nuts.

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You know, IQ obtained enlightenment when a crow dropped a pebble into the lake.

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Same thing.

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Not the same thing.

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His YouTube channel, the Mark Taylor's YouTube channel that this lady apparently watches

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is only five months old and appears to be mostly about QAnon, which is great.

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He's legitimately a completely insane QAnon guy.

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Just last month, he released this prophecy, quote, The Lord's been telling me that there's

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another one coming, another Trump coming.

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I had a dream this morning and in the dream I saw Donald Trump Jr.

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It was just a really quick snippet of it, but I knew there was an emphasis on Junior.

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And then I thought, hmm, JFK Jr.

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I knew it had something to do with JFK Jr.

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And he goes on to say that Donald Trump Jr. and JFK Jr. are going to run together.

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That cannot be true.

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The big problem is that JFK Jr. died in 1999.

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But that's not a problem for the Q crowd because they believe he faked his death and is possibly

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Q.

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Another big problem for the DJT situation going on here is that even in Mueller's report,

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Donald Trump Jr. is not investigated and indicted simply because he's probably too dumb to have

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committed the crime.

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Yeah, that's a good banner.

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That's a good badge to wear.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like, it's like Irene Le Pen being legally a fascist.

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You know, it's like, according to the FBI, you are too stupid to commit crimes.

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Yeah.

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An article on Christian Broadcasting Network's website about the Trump prophecy includes

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a quote from Rick Eldridge, the producer of the movie.

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Quote, we have such a divided nation right now, so I hope this film can be a way to maybe

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point towards healing.

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Personally, I would suggest that making a movie about how an unpopular leader is actually

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in office because of the will of God and that people who are against him are enemies of

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God would be the last thing you'd want to do if you were interested in healing.

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That's something you might do if you were interested in installing a theocracy, which

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is totally what people like Mark Taylor and Jim Baker actively argue for.

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Which is healing.

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Well, once everybody else, once everybody who has been hurt is dead, then technically

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you have been healed.

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Insanely, Jordan.

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Yes.

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The Trump prophecy had a budget of two million dollars.

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What?

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Yeah.

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Two million dollar budget.

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What?

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How?

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How?

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I don't know where.

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Who?

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It's all on the screen.

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What?

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I'd like now for you to try and guess how much money it made in theaters.

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Um, well, are we are we talking gross or net?

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I don't know.

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Because if we're going to go with net, I'm going to say negative two million dollars.

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No.

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Well, it made six hundred seventy thousand dollars.

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That's way more than it should have.

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Well, but Christian movies have like, oh, that's they have an elevated bottom.

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Yeah.

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Of how much all those Carmen the Champion movies and stuff like that.

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Just because they're so desperate.

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They just want anything.

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Well, and there will be like buses of, you know, church groups that will go and see movies.

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There's a built in captive audience.

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Well, I think captive is a good way of putting it.

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Yeah.

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There's just a guaranteed amount of money you're going to make.

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Six hundred seventy thousand dollars seems high for a low rent shit pile like this.

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But you know, you got an audience.

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We could make a movie for like fifteen grand at most and make six hundred and seventy grand.

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No, we couldn't.

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Yes, we could because I'm not doing it.

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So also in September twenty eighteen, Mark Taylor appeared on another Internet show that

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doesn't merit naming.

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And he said, quote, I do think that they're going to declare martial law at some point.

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I view martial law as a great thing under this administration.

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Oh, my God.

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They were intending on using martial law to round people up and put them in these concentration

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camps.

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Stop it.

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That was their whole plan all along.

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You're going to use it.

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It's now to round them up.

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I am so excited that people like him exist.

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They're the same as Alex.

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God damn it.

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They appear to be different because he calls himself a prophet.

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Yeah.

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But what does he do with this supposed prophecy?

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Same thing.

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Argue that Trump is the leader that will lead us out of the desert.

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You know, all that sort of shit.

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What are his political beliefs?

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How this global world government that's demonic is going to put us in FEMA camps to install

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their power.

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But now that's actually really good because we can do it to them.

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Yeah.

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They walk similar paths.

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That one's a little too on the nose.

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They walk similar paths.

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Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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So now here's the last clip where Alex I mean, I I felt like Alex saying, yeah, I like Mark

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Taylor.

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He's a good guy or whatever.

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I thought that was him just being dismissive to the scholar.

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Yeah.

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Because he usually is kind of.

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Yeah.

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We're trying to.

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We're going to get him on.

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We're going to get him on.

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Get out of here.

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You don't recommend other people to me.

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This is my show.

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What's the point of fighting?

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Right.

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But then Alex said this and I'm like, well, maybe Alex does fucking like this weird fake

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Christian prophet.

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I pledge this and I prophesy this before humanity is destroyed, Jack Dorsey will be destroyed.

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And I think Jack Dorsey should get struck by God's thunderbolt like Saul of Tarsus on

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the road to Damascus and I think you're going to see a lot of conversions like that very

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soon.

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Anything else?

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Uh, Alex is making a prophecy that, uh, that, uh, there's going to be a road to Damascus

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moment for Jack of Twitter.

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Yeah.

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She didn't say prophecy.

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She didn't say he was a prophet.

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Did she?

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No, I don't think so.

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So he just made that jump to prophecy on his own or he knows who Mark Taylor is and knows

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that Mark Taylor is in the prophecy game.

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So he's jumping in on that prophecy game.

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That's a possibility.

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He was talking a lot about demons and stuff like that, so it might've got him in a religious

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mood.

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Um, I'm not entirely sure, but either way, it doesn't really matter.

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It just illustrates these fucking worlds are so connected.

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So fucked up.

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Why I hate being gaslit like this so hard.

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Like the idea of Alex saying that the Democrats have no bottom now is just like, fuck you.

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I can't, we're, our bottom is, it's so weak.

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It's weak willed with the president committed all the crimes and the democratic leadership

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is like, whoa, whoa, hold on now guys.

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Let's let him run rough shot over the country for the next 18 months.

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And then we'll do something.

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You're missing the forest.

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I'm missing the forest for the tree.

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Hate it.

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You're missing the forest for the trees.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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There's not going to be any consequences for Trump's behavior, but the Democrats and the

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globalists are still, they still have a ton of power because Alex isn't on Facebook.

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That's true.

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So you're right.

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They have no bottom.

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They have no bottom.

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You're right.

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If you, if you don't allow Alex, what won't you do?

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If you take Alex off of Facebook, then the sky is the limit, Dan.

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Absolutely.

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And no one will respect the political aspirations of Sargon of Akkad.

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Well someday they will.

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People keep pointing the finger at Faith Goldie.

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These globalists are so against, who cares?

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Oh God.

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So anyway, we come to the end of this and you know, there was a lot, there's a lot going

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on here.

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One thing that I find really interesting is almost a lack of coverage of these big news

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stories from the last week.

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You know, Notre Dame burning, you know, it didn't burn down, but, and that spire was

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built in the 19th century.

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That doesn't mean it's any less tragic, but it wasn't from, you know, the 1100s, that

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spire that, I feel like I'm minimizing it and I don't mean to, but like that is big

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news, that fire.

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Well, we still have Assassin's Creed Unity, so if you want to enjoy the Notre Dame, then

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feel free to play the game.

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It's all there for you.

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So then also you have, you know, the Mueller report coming out is big news and Alex's response

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to neither of them is great.

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Yeah.

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Or interesting, really, at all.

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All you see in the aftermath of Notre Dame is Alex trying to make everything about Muslims

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and all you have in the aftermath of Mueller is a very predictable, this is a coverup for

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what Hillary Clinton was doing, which he didn't need that report to say, he said that all

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along.

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It doesn't fucking matter.

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So I don't know.

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We'll see what happens.

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I'm most excited about the prospect that he's going back to Sandy Hook.

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Actually I'm not, because it's not, you can't enjoy it.

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No.

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It hurts people.

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Yeah.

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Like I said, if it were a sketch, it would be fucking hilarious.

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If there weren't consequences for people's lives, it would be very, very funny that this

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stupid asshole forgot the conspiracies that he was telling and then went back and like.

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Got very re-excited about the conspiracy.

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Oh shit.

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Oh man, I was right this whole time.

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That's funny.

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I was letting people tell me that I was lying about it, but now I've gone back and looked

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at it and you know what?

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I'm doubling down.

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Here's what we should do.

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Go to the Sandy Hook victims houses.

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God damn it, man.

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It's funny on paper.

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Yeah.

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It's funny in real life.

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No.

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And now I've walked myself for full circle into not being excited about anything.

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This is all trash.

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You know what's interesting?

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There's a very real parallel to Notre Dame burning down, but there being a perfect digital

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recreation of it inside of a video game.

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Isn't that anything, isn't that exactly like you dying, but your substance being drawn

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up into the cloud?

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Is there much difference?

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Food for thought, everyone.

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I suppose so.

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Food for eyes can be found on our website, knowledgefight.com.

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Nicely done.

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There'll be a link up there to our store where you can buy the new shirt, the Call Larry

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Nichols shirt.

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Shirtsickle.com slash knowledgefight.

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There'll be a link.

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Shirtsickle S-I-C-L-E.

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I don't expect anyone to be able to remember that.

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There'll be a link.

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Yeah, don't worry about it.

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It'll be nice.

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Also we're on Twitter.

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We are.

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And I'm at go to bed Jordan.

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Yep.

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We're on Facebook.

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That's correct.

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We're also on iTunes.

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We are on iTunes.

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You can download, rate, leave a review, et cetera.

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Absolutely.

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So I guess we come to the end of this here and I'm looking over this and hey, what do

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you know?

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Alex's Bernie impression's never killed anybody.

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I don't know if that's true.

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I don't know if that's true.

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I know it's annoying, but I don't think it's killed anybody.

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But you know what?

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The man who does that impression technically probably has.

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Yeah.

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Alex Jones technically probably killed a guy.

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Cindy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.