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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a person color I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight

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I'm damn sure couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Joe indeed

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We are Dan Jordan

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What is your favorite tchotchke my favorite? What do you mean?

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Do you know what a tchotchke like a little trinket like yeah?

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Have you ever have you ever had a trinket have you ever gone to one of those?

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Souvenir stores and bought one and had a carry with you throughout the rest of your life

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You know no when you were a kid

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Maybe you went to Universal Studios your dad got you the little license plate with your name on it something like that

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No, no, how about any kind of antique store something like that nope oh?

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I mean oh you totally told me you like radios well

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Yeah, I mean the closest thing to that is when I was in Austin

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We went to just some sort of a vintage shop

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And I ran into a guy who like fixes old radios

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And I got sold on a like a really old radio that looks fucking awesome

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But I think I've talked about that on the shore have you I think we I think we I wanted you to have some sort of

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Like some sort of figurine or something. I mean I got that Cthulhu statue. Yeah, that's true

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I've had that for a few years. That's pretty good. That is pretty good

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I don't know and I and my buddy Matt Riggs when he got married

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I was in his wedding party, and he made a little those Funko dolls. Oh, yeah, you got one of those of all of the people

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Who were in the party I think I cherish that I think that's a really cool

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It's not quite. I wouldn't call it a tchotchke, but have you ever been in those stores and one

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I don't know what you're talking

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But it's never appealed to me, okay

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I don't know I mean I guess probably because I spent some of my time growing up in Hawaii

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And there's so many like touristy things. Oh, that's right. I lived in Honolulu. Yeah, obviously tourism is a huge part of the

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Industry there and stuff like that and the local economy and so it always appeared very like

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Stupid to me and like these are the the fucking people who are just coming in and enjoying our beaches not right

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Not like me. We're a townie. Yeah somewhat

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I don't know. Maybe that's sort of my resistance to it. I totally get that man

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It's this started off weirdly confrontational, but I think we're good at it. I don't I don't think it's

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Like you seem to not believe that I'm not

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Man no, I don't think I do we're flying to your parents house. I bet I could find something there

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Maybe actually no I've been in your parents house. I don't know. I don't even know if they have

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I was just there not too long ago

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So this is a podcast where I don't like tchotchkes and I know a lot about Alex Jones and I do like tchotchkes

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Whoa boy you and Joni love tchotchkes

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We both love tchotchkes and you don't know much about and I don't know anything about Alex Jones today Jordan

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We're back in the old past

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We're back in 2012 taking a look at Alex or 2013 now January 2013. We're going over January 3rd

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And checking in on how Alex responded and reported on things in the aftermath of Sandy Hook

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But before we get to today's show

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I'd like to take a little moment out of our time to give a thank you and a shout out to some people who've signed

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Up and are supporting the show. So first Oh

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Underscore Rio, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you

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I bet that's a reference to something and we're just old that is undoubted. We're just old Dan you and I are dying. Yep

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Yeah, dinosaurs next Josh. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Josh

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Thank you very much Josh next. No. Oh

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Joke, it's no. Thanks, but thanks is spelled th a inks. So it's no thanks, but both worlds

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Elevated level we appreciate it. Oh so very much. So Dennis, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat

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We are moving forward. Absolutely. Um, so like I said, we're back in

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2013 looking at this this post Sandy Hook business and as such it would only be

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appropriate for us and I think people would probably scream

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At their phones if we didn't bring up the fact that this American life just did their piece

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Oh, yeah about Jones the two-part thing to two segments

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And a lot of people have asked for our thoughts. So what Jordan you you gave it a listen

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What would what were your first feelings on it? Oh

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Alex is lying

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I people who remember him. They didn't like him. Yeah, they didn't like him. Yeah, so we I think that's it

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I think I got it. I think so. I think that was probably so and he's a monster sure

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Yeah, some of the most essential pieces of the coverage. I think you've covered the first half about Sandy Hook you and

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Mr. Posner were you know, that's that that was sort of tough to listen to in terms of hearing his

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struggle through yeah, you know, you don't know you don't always hear that his personal perspective of how

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That whole the whole situation affected him and these sort of narratives that are brought into the world the actual first-person damage

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that well, I mean you kind of

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Maybe not intentionally but somewhat subconsciously go out of your way not to hear that voice because you you know

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like

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hypothetically the act is so monstrous then to then have it brought into the real world and in its stark truth is

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Is kind of heartbreaking like listening to it is truly just?

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How can somebody?

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Do this right like the entire somebody be so unaware of the effect that they have? Yeah on

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The horrible things they're bringing into someone's life

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Yeah, that's tough. But it's also kind of in the realm of like we we've talked about these things

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It's kind of you know in terms of the information base of our podcast

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There's you know

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That's not too new but that stuff with Jon Ronson at the end where they're talking about Alex's origin story

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Yeah

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That was really fucked up

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Oh, yeah

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Because they did some journalism that we couldn't do the idea of going and finding these people that Alex went to school with

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Yeah, the idea of like taking like huh?

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Alex has one story

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five other people have a

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This like a very exact same story together. Yes, that's difference

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100% yeah, I think my favorite guy was the the guy who found out that he and Trump loved each other and he was just like

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I don't know if I want to believe that the guy who Alex beat the shit out of yeah

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I almost killed. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean the stories that the people from his school

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Tell match up pretty well with some of the hero stories that Alex has

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Yeah

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Just without the Alex being picked on part to justify him beating the shit out of people and being complete monster

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Also the idea of him running around the school saying he's a Satanist matches up almost entirely with Alex's

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I got lured into Satanism when I was yeah, that was fun stuff

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So like even a lot of that stuff

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Isn't really new to our information base, but hearing the people who he like threatened when he was young and stuff like that

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Yeah, that stuff is really that that's tough

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The thing that rang the most true was when the woman was talking about how he used to describe in detail

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All the ways that he would threaten her with sexual violence

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Yeah, I'm sorry and it was like so a lot like oh have you have you ever heard his?

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Fantasies about what the globalists will do to you

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They'll take you down into the basement and they'll grab you and they'll touch you and put you in all those

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When she said that I was like, yeah, he did that shit and I'm sure she doesn't like listen to his show to know that

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That's a big part. Oh, yeah his performance. Yeah, that's still his that's

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Yeah, there was so much that rang so true from those people

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Talking like from just the sense that we've been able to get of him. Yeah from looking at him. Yeah, it just it was a

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it was

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Awful. Yeah, it was awful and to hear Alex be so unfazed by him

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Like now there's a bunch of liars

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Like that sort of thing is just so like it just makes you realize that there's no point where you're going to come up with

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The piece of information. Yeah, the proof that he's full of shit, right? You got me

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There's never yeah, that's never gonna happen even and even when you're interviewing him with and you're John Ronson

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Who did a very good job on the piece? Yeah, but while he's interviewing Alex, he's like and let me tell you about

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I don't know. I'm not gonna do his voice. Please don't that's disrespectful

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If I was good at it, I would still do it. Sure

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but

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While he was talking to Alex and he told him the story of how Alex is a huge asshole

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Alex turns around is like yeah, but what about you and me? I've never been and it's like hold on

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You just did the what about ism for your own life, right?

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Right intake Alex has always known that John Ronson is a media figure

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Like he came into his life as a reporter who write like went along with him

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Like was was covering him for a piece, right? So why wouldn't Alex always be nice to him? He knows that he has a

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a platform that a gear or he has a platform to be like Alex beat the shit out of me like it put it in the

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Paper, it's never in his best interest to be a dick to John Ronson

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Of course not so him being like haven't I always been nice to use like haven't I always been strategic about our relationship?

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Right, right, right. It's all I hear there. Yeah. Yeah, and also Alex said he's still Joe Rogan's best friend

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So there you go. It's good. We all know the truth. Um, so I thought it was a very interesting insight

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And I think it was you know tough but at the same time

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You know ultimately

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Proof that there is no positive outcome to any of this

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And also

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But it was it was really that's the saddest thing you've ever said

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I've kind of already known that for a while fair, but it's it's hard to see it demonstrated so fully on NPR, right?

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Uh, but and also like it is just reaffirming of our like our instincts aren't too bad. No, I think we got it

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I think after two years of listening to the to this idiot talk

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We we've got a pretty good idea of what his high school buddies are gonna say. Yeah, so Jordan

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Like I said today we're going into January 3rd 2013 and up till this point

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We've seen him pretty much transition away from talking about Sandy Hook really at all. Yeah, it's all just gun paranoia

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They're coming to get your guns. It's gonna start a civil war baby to boo

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And let's see where he goes on the third who knows maybe it'll turn even weirder, you know

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But first we have out of context drop from today's show. I use white propaganda. So I want to be clear about terms

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You're you we know we know um

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Yeah, what terms could you be clearer about?

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Well, that doesn't mean what it immediately sounds like I use white propaganda, right?

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Which is propaganda made by whites for whites. It's like fubu, but it's propaganda. See now you're not being clear about terms

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hmm, he'll explain it later, but

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Whatever you think

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That's actually what it means, okay

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So in this first clip that we're gonna listen to we enter into Alex's obsession on this episode

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I think someone has recently explained that gaslighting is a thing

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Oh, well, that's nice of him to find out in 2013 and Alex is completely obsessed with the idea

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He talks about it for almost the entire show while he gaslights his audience, right?

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Extremely, it's like he's he's surprised that he's like, whoa

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Somebody made a name for what I do. Well, I have to talk about it. It's very weird

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And here's the first clip where the what I was listening through this

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I I cut this clip because I didn't know like towards the end of the show in the middle of the show

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He was just gonna keep talking about gaslighting

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So I pulled this clip specifically just to illustrate like Alex is aware of what gaslighting is. Yeah

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Yeah, I thought that was enough but as this goes on it just oh god, it's so bad

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Guys, I sent you

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Probably 50 IMs and it's clear there's a problem. You need to reload that

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Because I had the definitions in the history of gaslighting

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It's a political term. So if that's not in there, I need you to go get me just the top four or five up

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You know the use of gaslighting the psychological term gaslighting is I want to cover gaslighting

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It's just one term to cover a game the globalists play and they define it as gaslighting and it's when

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You walk in and you find your wife in bed with another man

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And she says there's no man here and the guy gets up dresses and walks out

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They've psychologically found most people will actually go. Am I crazy?

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That's not a guy right there and because of denial how we've been programmed or television gaslighting is more and more effective

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today

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Than it's ever been I think that's an extreme example

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I got another example telling people that you never said that Sandy Hook people were actors

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They're constantly telling people while there's evidence to the contrary

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I would say that's an extreme version of gaslighting that you carried out and perpetuated on that this American life episode

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I was gonna say I was about to I was about to ask

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Is is the next clip him being like and to give you a better example of gaslighting?

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I'm gonna play clips from my show yesterday. See my catalog. Yeah, exactly

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No, he

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Basically just explains it like that and says that it's a trick that the globalists use and because of TV and everyone being dumb

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Or whatever it works more

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They don't get his instant messages or whatever

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So he can't cover the story because he doesn't have anything in front of him and that's about all he knows

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Yeah, so he starts talking about how Piers Morgan sucks. That's that's evergreen territory. Sure. So Piers Morgan

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Alex has started a petition to get him deported as we know from our previous episodes

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He's very excited about this Obama did it and in response

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Piers Morgan has invited Alex to be on his show God. What an idiot we did an episode about the actual interview

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Yeah, yeah, but it comes up on the 7th of January. So it's only a few days away

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Alex on the 3rd is very aware and in this next clip you can tell he's clearly aware that he's mostly doing this for publicity

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Even around here when I told my crew that they have officially set me up for the 7th with Piers Morgan people like incredible

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and of course there they're thinking it'll be a big news event because we'll have an argument or something and that is how Piers Morgan actually

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Does have an audience his actual show doesn't have an audience the derivative of it does get picked up and put on a lot of other

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Channels, that's why he's number one on CNN. Is that he at least

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Have enough controversy and people he disagrees with on

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To try to get some viewers

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Show me it's a good good move by the Pentagon that on record runs CNN

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That's come out Washington Post even that it's a run by the Department of Defense and is a basically psyop operation

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Out of Atlanta, New York and Los Angeles and DC. Is that gaslighting? Is that it? Wait, did the post?

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You bet I believe Piers Morgan was number one on CNN. Yeah, I find that he might have been

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For a short time. Yeah, it's possible

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Alex is recognizing exactly what he is going to bring to Piers Morgan show

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It's going to be a big thing because we're gonna get into a fight and then there's gonna be clips of it everywhere

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Right, he's ascribing Piers Morgan Piers Morgan's motives as being like he's going to have that fight. So he gets more ratings

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That's also what you're doing. Yeah, that's entire pretend. This is anything other than that. That is that it's not a Pierce motive

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That's a Piers motive. Right? All right. It's a

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transparent motive

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So apparently the Illinois State Senate at this point is considering a bill to ban all firearms

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Sandy hook the NRA is warning about this. Alex has heeded the words, of course and he

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Covers the story in perhaps one of the most extreme ways imaginable. We told you yesterday

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Illinois was gonna introduce a bill according to the NRA. They've done it

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It's out of committee set to pass today. Looks like it may pass right now to make all

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All people in Illinois turn their semi-autos in and pump

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Everything that bolt action is going to be turned in and they've got your void card

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They know where to come get your gun

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So they're coming and it'll be on the news the trucks and the police and people resisting being killed and it'll be

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Patriotism to kill American gun owners and they deserve it

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They did sandy hook and they're all clan members. Anyways, remember that month ago. They were calling us clan members and murderers

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You're like that makes no sense. Why are they just saying that cuz they're demonizing us

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Oh like you do with there is no moderate Islam

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Hold on

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What are we gonna what are we gonna gaslighting people? I think you might be

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So that's pretty extreme the idea of like they're gonna pass this in the Illinois State Senate

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and then they're going to you know, start killing gun owners when they won't turn in their guns and I mean

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This is this is just that continuation of that extreme gun grab paranoia. I care not to engage

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That's not not not with you, but not with his ideas. I don't care to engage with his idea. Hey once, Illinois

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outlaws

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Everything but bolt action, right? Then, you know, North Carolina's next because North Carolina does everything that Illinois does

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Yeah, and once North Carolina goes so goes the south once Florida goes Texas is next we all know after that

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California has been a well in this scenario California has been ripped away from the United States by a massive earthquake, right?

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I'll escape from LA. Okay, but and it's patriotic for that earthquake to take California away. Yeah

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So in this next clip Alex gets even more extreme and he's talking about how the mainstream news

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has announced that there's going to be checkpoints that are permanent all over the place and

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They will actually be doesn't sound right. Well

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machine gun nests

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Point is is that I'm gonna this country folks. I've got mainstream news announcing checkpoints nationwide at permanent

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Highway checkpoints like you've had 100 miles into the border

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Nationwide you're gonna drive up to police checkpoints. They're gonna search you

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The TSA is gonna be there. It's been announced. I've got those articles here

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It's martial law folks

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And they're gonna set up machine gun nest you're gonna be under machine gun point when you pull up to these

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We're going under fallujah control

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fallujah control

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Seven years on

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See no evidence of machine gun nest checkpoints and fallujah control in the United States

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But I understand. I mean he's afraid he's very afraid

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We're just gonna build the Berlin Wall over every highway, I guess every hundred miles

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There'll be a new giant machine gun nest

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Yeah

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I mean

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I think I think that clip is only worthwhile to demonstrate like how stupid so much of the stuff

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He says around like around this is like it's just that's cockamamie nonsense

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The ID the very idea of this and that the mainstream media is a is

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Announcing these checkpoints. We have machine guns, right?

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It's it's absurd and the way that he used

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announcing rather than reporting is so it's such one of those small symbols of

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You're fucking full of shit because you're describing them as being the state mouthpiece, you know

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They're announcing it on behalf of the government who told them to announce it the roll out because the Pentagon owns CNN

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so

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After this point, you know, he's he's claimed that the as these the mainstream media is covering this stuff and announcing it

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Excuse me announcing announcing it. They're not covering it any pivots from there into like

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Justifying a ton of news stories on apocryphal stories that he's been told by either his co-workers or people who know his

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Co-workers which is even more flimsy than making up news stories or my estimation

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Third hand sources now. Yes, and this one is about one of his

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Employees girlfriends getting pulled over by the police. I don't believe most of this story. Okay, please just randomly. I'm gonna pull you over

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Happened to Darren McBreen's girlfriend

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She's driving all the way out of West Texas, you know to come here and seen

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She's on the same road cops pull them over and they go I saw you

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Not use a turn signal and she said I've been on the same lane

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For over a hundred miles. I didn't he goes. Let me just see your eyes. This is just a DWI just apologize

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Just randomly checking here. Okay

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It's a joke

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I mean cops pull me over know who I am and ask if I'm drinking or if I have drugs or guns and I just

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Go number one. I don't use products that your boss's ship in

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Now you I'm not dumb enough to be drinking and driving and number three

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Oh

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I just don't even know what to say anymore. That is a weird way

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That's a weird way to talk to a cop right number one. Hey, listen, listen up pig number one

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I don't use any of the products from your government by which I am

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That it's Reagan right number two. I don't drink and drive. What am I a dummy? I

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Don't look at the backseat. There's a lot of open bottles of wild turkey

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number three don't go to the future and watch some of my live streams where I

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Appear to be quite drunk while driving an automobile number three

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I mean it is weird. I

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Mean, it's weird because he's telling the story about Darren McBreen's girlfriend and like I mean if that did happen

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Maybe she did swerve or something like that

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I don't know or I'm also willing to believe that it was an overly capricious cop that was trying to meet a quota or something

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Like right that doesn't prove anything. That doesn't that proves one cop was

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You know acting a little bit overzealous late. Yeah doesn't prove anything Alex pivots from that to being like I am also a victim

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Yeah, he does that really well. Yeah, he does. You almost see you almost didn't even notice. Yep

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Yeah, you're almost like yeah, I bet she said the same thing

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Yeah, she did not know Alex is telling a story about somebody else realizes. I don't have a full grasp of the details

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I don't really know this story very well

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I don't listen to McBreen when he's talking so I better make this about myself because I can lie about myself

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Pretty well, I got three points. I forgot the third one. I don't even I don't even know what to do anymore. Oh

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cool

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This next clip is just an expression of the extremeness that he is putting into his rhetoric around this time at the beginning of 2013

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Is it a Mountain Dew commercial? It's more extreme than that. Oh, okay this what I mean live wire doesn't even come close

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No, are we talking surge Cola level? It's close to surge. Okay

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Um, so earlier you saying that the Illinois State Senate is gonna pass this bill and then they're gonna be shooting gun owners

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And it's patriotic to do and everyone will say hooray

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Well, I'll be having a great old time that's fucking extreme to put as an image into your listeners minds based on nothing

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Yeah, you know that is pretty fucked up because it will catalyze a reaction in some way whether or not it's an act a

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Reaction that people act on is another question that you can't control that you can't control how your audience

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Responds to the extreme message that you're putting out. So that's irresponsible

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This next clip I think is even worse

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because

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It's not about what somebody is going to do. It's what they're already doing

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So if you understand like if you listen to this clip

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It's not contingent on the Illinois State Senate banning guns or anything like that

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We're already at the point where you should be killing these globalists, right? We're past that. Yeah, and that is expressed in this clip

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Yeah, they're about to kill you for patriotism. So but they're already killing you. Oh, no, it's just it's gone. It's gone

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We have the biggest prison population. We have the highest cancer rate. They're killing us. We're being killed

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Okay, I've got all their White House science our book eco science where they talk about how they kill us with cancer and kill us

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And stuff in the water. I mean it just

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Sterilizes our sperm counts down 87 and 89 percent and the women are dying

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And highest rate of breast cancer in the world and our kids are the most brain damage in the world from all the shots

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And I'm a bad guy, I'm a mad dog for being upset about it. Let me continue here

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You you're a bad guy because you're misrepresenting this stuff

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He's talking about John P. Holdren's book eco science and I've read the relevant portions in it

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He's not talking about like advocating for or saying we should or saying that we do or saying it's a plan

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To put sterilants in the water and stuff like that. It is a textbook about eco science

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Yeah, and in a textbook setting there are things that are like some people have said this is an option

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It's not discussed as a positive thing. Yeah, it's discussed as something that someone has said

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and

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Relevant context leads you to believe that it is dealt with is not a good idea. Yeah, so it's just bullshit

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He's taking out of context passages from textbooks that he hasn't read the entirety of and being like this is happening

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They're killing us already

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Like if you hear that sort of thing you actually believe him. Why wouldn't you make a fucking splinter cell?

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Why wouldn't you form a terrorist group against the government? They're trying to kill you through the water

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Like yeah that there's not much other recourse after that. No, it's insane and we can't you

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I mean man has always been battling the shores down that is true

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But it's a different kind of one. It's a different kind of water, right?

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I mean we we take this as red a lot of the time but like looking back at this period where like

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Tensions are really high in the country in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and there's that gun

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Discussion that's going on about like Jesus

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This is fucked up that this has happened and it's happened before and we know it's gonna happen again. Yeah, these sorts of things like

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tensions are high people some people have

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I don't know middle-of-the-road

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Arguments for being against gun control some people have middle-of-the-road arguments for gun control

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Some people have impassioned arguments for gun control. Some people like Alex have these impassioned arguments against gun control

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And when you're in that like that sort of tense space bringing in stuff like this really

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Really is dangerous because you you you introduce an idea of an existential threat

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That's outside of that discussion even yeah, and it's I don't know

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I I just put myself in the headspace of someone who actually believes what he's saying and I don't know how I wouldn't make

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A bomb or something like that. I'm not saying that all of his listeners would do that

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Right, like it doesn't seem like a far cry from what he's hoping someone would do if they heard this

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Well, I mean well first

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It is kind of a tacit acknowledgement

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From his listeners that none of what he's saying is actually true in that

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We don't see a shit ton of these wars being started. Oh, you know, they're all incompetent

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Well, I mean there could be a lot of people who like go two steps into trying to plan something and like fuck

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This is a lot of work. It's hard

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Yeah, it's hard or I mean, I don't mean this in a bad way because I'm glad that it could possibly be the case

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But maybe a lot of them are cowards, you know, like right, right

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so maybe maybe there are a lot of people who do believe it, but don't have the whatever it would be that would

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them to take action

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45% of his listeners are too cowardly to build a bomb

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45% of his listeners have tried to build a bomb and started about and stopped about halfway through and

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Then the final 10% have probably gone to a pizza place and shot up

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It could be you know, I think that's the case. Yes. Yes

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Fair enough, so fair enough. I I found I found all too much macabre humor in

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When he said that America's kids are the most fucked up because of all the shots they're taking. Mm-hmm

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Like immediately after Sandy Hook, there's there's a double entendre there that oh, yeah

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not

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Unintended but unintended. Yeah, very I just kind of leave alone some of the other stuff that he's bringing in like talking about

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Okay, we have so many people in prison. Yep. Yeah, but agreed. That's such a that's just a little

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Piece of decoration on your argument. You're not even concerned about that

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Yeah, um

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So we get back now and Alex tells another story that I don't think is accurate about another one of his employees

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Having a run-in with the police

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listen one of my

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graphics crew

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Was out

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And I happen to know she doesn't even drink and they're out

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Before New Year's was it after Christmas and they're driving home and she's a designated driver going out to eat and

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They get him out and they go

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We're arresting you all we smell alcohol and they go. Well, I haven't been drinking on the desert driver

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They said we'll do a bunch of sobriety tests as she did one and said look. I'm not been drinking

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I told you they said that's it. You're DWI, too

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They want to stick needles in you and I'm gonna get to the force of calculations in a moment

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So yeah, I think there's some details missing from that story

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I

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think there's a

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modifier missing missing between

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All right. Now you've got a duwi to they want to stick needles in you

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Well, there should be something in between right? What are you talking about? Is that there are some?

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Some places where if you get pulled over

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I don't know how it goes state by state

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But there's there are a number of states where if you get pulled over and they have suspicion of DUI you refuse to take a

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Breathalyzer you refuse to do the tests then they can force you to give blood and part

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Okay, and part of the reason for that is that it will main it will retain as evidence

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Yeah, whatever and you have not cooperated with the police right if they have a reasonable suspicion that you're drunk time-stamped

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Yeah, so to speak

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Yeah

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Whereas if you don't do that

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Because I think the police had a long enough time where drunk drivers

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Kind of realize that they could wait things out and their blood alcohol content would go down

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Yeah, and so if you're oppositional defiant enough before they can do any kind of test

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There isn't the the proof of the underlying offense right that the police need I'm not saying that's a good thing

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But that's the rationale for why they do it. Right. So I think that that's what he's talking about

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They want to put needles in you. I

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Don't know what's going on with this story about his employee, but I don't believe it something's missing from this story

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No, if I understand the story correctly

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She was driving. There were people in the car may have been drunk who may have been drunk may not have been drunk

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We'll never know sure while she was driving

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Herself completely sober isn't driving completely normally with no red flags whatsoever

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They are pulled over by the cops the cops go in there and they charge they say out loud

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They're charging the people in the car who were not driving right with the DWI

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I think that the only way that this story is real first of all people in the passenger is absolutely not

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but the only way that this is true is that the people who were in the car were really fucked up and

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Then the police were like we gotta you know, somebody's got to do something. There's so much you could smell whiskey in this car

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Yeah

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So they pull her out of the car and they try and give her like a like a flashlight test or like make her walk

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The line and she gets really competitive with two of them. Well, that's one

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Yeah, that's entirely poor just refuses to cooperate in any way and they're like, well, we need to take you to the station

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Then we need to give you a breathalyzer, right?

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It's that's the but you still wouldn't get charged with a DUI

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like there's no way that piece of the story makes sense, but you can end up like

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Prolonging your engagement with the police if you don't like I'm not I'm not saying that's good. I don't think no

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No, the police aren't necessarily

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Notorious for just dropping stuff. That's not really well

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I mean in in certain cases all to noter noter

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Notorious for doing that but when it comes to a DWI, they're usually gonna be like, okay

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We're gonna have to keep going. Yeah, you're being a dick. Come on

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Yeah, it's just if you're pulled over for a DUI and you're not

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drunk

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You're not going to end up getting charged with it unless you're a dick in which case you might be charged with being a dick

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Yeah, like if you hit a cop or something like that

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I had a buddy when I lived in Missouri who got pulled over for something or other and he didn't do

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Then it ended up swinging on a cop and I'm like, yeah

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You're going swung on a cop. Yeah, you're going to get arrested. Oh, he was like, I didn't do the thing

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I got in trouble

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You have to know that's a bad idea like they were being text to me like yes

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Yes, they were no because the underlying charge wasn't real that invalidates the swing

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I took at the cops see wish we wonder why I wish we live

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We don't so they were instigating

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investigating right so Alex has earlier brought up this idea of these checkpoints these permanent checkpoints that are being set up

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and he has

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Not a great piece of news to back it up some piece of proof and he gets into it in this next clip

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And it goes on San Antonio deputy police chief Antonio Trevino appeared Monday in Austin before the Texas House criminal jurisprudence committee

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The San Antonio Express News reports

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He urged legislators to allow law officers to stop drivers and do routine sobriety tests near so-called drinking and driving hot spots

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Which is just everywhere again

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They let you go drinking the bars humans have always done it texting and driving's five times more dangerous and MIT studies

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And humans have always done it. It's all about getting you into the system

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But if you're an illegal alien, they let you go. Whoop. What whoops, huh? Whoops there at the wait

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What but also you can also get in trouble for texting and driving like that's that's something that you can get pulled over to

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Yeah, so his argument there doesn't make a ton of sense

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But he's pretending here that he's reading an article about how San Antonio is put into place

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Sobriety checkpoints on the next step after this without a doubt is machine gun protected Fallujah style blockades

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One problem is that this article he is quoting from is about the San Antonio Police Department

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Asking for permission to put up sobriety checkpoints. It has no indication that they got permission to do it

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Ah, also the local story out of San Antonio includes a ton of information that Alex conveniently forgets to mention in his reporting

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For instance as of 2012

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Texas was one of only 12 states in the country that didn't offer police departments the option of setting up DUI checkpoints

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Texas is consistently at the top of the rankings for most drunk driving related accidents and

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Most drunk driving related deaths. I don't think those two things are related it can't be it's a hugely populous state

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So it doesn't generally come in at number one on those lists that break down fatality rates and stuff like that per

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100,000 residents right but the state that does

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Pretty much all the time is Wyoming a state that also doesn't allow the police to conduct a UI checkpoints

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Huh? The US Supreme Court has decided the checkpoints are constitutionally allowed

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Provided that they serve a legitimate law enforcement purpose and you put in a requisition for your machine gun turrets true

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Yes

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There has to be paper

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It has to be paperwork those 12 states have the absolute right to decide

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That whether or not they want to allow the police to conduct these checkpoints within the state borders and Texas has done that

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However, that didn't that doesn't stop them from checking up setting up checkpoints near the border not on the border

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but near the border trying to catch undocumented immigrants in September 2013 an article in the Houston Chronicle from December 2013

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discusses the DPS

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Halting their use of checkpoints in the Rio Grande Valley where they were accused of being specifically run to check people's immigration

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Status which would be against Texas law the police department claimed that they had a completely different and very legitimate law enforcement

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Reason to run those checkpoints to which they were told you got to stop that

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I would be very interested to hear Alex's take on this but my gut tells me he wasn't super against those checkpoints

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I imagine he was kind of ignored it maybe not a story

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So some checkpoints are good and some checkpoints are I imagine that might be the case

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But whatever the case this December 2013 Houston Chronicle article is pretty clear that the sobriety

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checkpoints that San Antonio wanted to set up were never set up quote for more than a decade the legislature has rejected proposals to

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allow roadside checkpoints which typically target drunk drivers during the last legislative session

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San Antonio Deputy Police Chief Antonio Trevino urged a committee of lawmakers to allow permanent sobriety checkpoints in the state

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If you read that it's very clear that what they're saying is the legislature did not allow that

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The thing that Alex is trying to make his audience afraid of didn't happen or at least it didn't happen until about a year later

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After this episode was recorded and it was specifically used to target immigrants, which feels strangely consistent

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for Alex in his world

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It's it's like I can get why you would be resistant to the DUI checkpoint

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if it is

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simply like if your

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I

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Don't know analogy to it would be the stop-and-frisk program in New York, you know where it's like

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Oh, they're just stopping innocent people and they're just looking for stuff to find on you

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There is a there is a possibility of abuse of the the stop for sure. Yeah, I can get that totally

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restricted then but I also even if it is well restricted I have some questions about the efficacy of it because in Missouri they like

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There were DUI checkpoints a lot of the time when I was a younger man, right?

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And one of the things is like I had a lot of friends who would travel with weed in the car and stuff like that

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Yeah, and so a lot of our friends whenever you'd know that there was a checkpoint somewhere

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You would call or text all your friends and be like stay off parkade

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Oh, of course, there's a DUI checkpoint, of course, of course, or we knew the places where they were like

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Speed traps and stuff like that like going to the Booneville casino

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Well, I think Waze the the app that gives directions that gives like a live updating

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Traffic directions and shit like that. Yeah, they also included DUI checkpoints on their on their app

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It seems that seems kind of that's that's no good

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But what I'm saying is that you find alternate routes around things whenever you get warnings of the pop-up ones

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Of course, and then there's one there was one Isle of Capri casino in Booneville

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Right had a stretch of road coming to and from it. That was notorious for it had a lower

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Like you're coming off a place where there was a high speed limit and then it went lower

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Yeah, it was specifically there to catch people driving drunk coming out of the casino

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Yeah, it was intentionally set up like that and everybody knew it

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So you minded your P's and Q's through that if you knew what was going on, of course, and you know people who didn't know

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well

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You if you're not drunk, they'll just let you off with a warning

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Yeah, if you are you're gonna get a ticket and even it's not that I kind of don't think it's that bad

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If you're warning people where the checkpoint is because the point of people back then ways didn't exist. No, no

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I know what I'm what I'm saying is the checkpoint is there to a

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Catch people who are drunk driving. Yeah ostensibly, right, right

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But if you are warned about the checkpoint

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Then the idea even then is you're going to use a less traveled road, right and that's going to buy

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Statistical necessity lead to fewer people, right? Maybe you're gonna get into an accident

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But at least it's just fucking you, you know, right and there are there are some studies that I was able to find

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that did make the claim from their findings that

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States that put like Tennessee was a big one that put in DUI checkpoints

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Or put it into practice with the police and their DUI related accidents went down like 20% or something like that

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That's worthwhile, right?

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But the reason that I don't cite that as proof that these checkpoints did that is because of kind of what you brought up

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The idea of going down another road while you're drunk because you know

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There's a checkpoint over here doesn't make that driving less intrinsically dangerous

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Right, of course because you could still I don't know go into someone's front yard

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Oh, of course, of course naturally or you could kill yourself driving into a tree

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That's yeah super dangerous still awful if someone's out walking because it's a less busy street

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You could hit them pretty easily of course, so there are still dangers

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But yeah the odds of making a bigger wreck on those side streets

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Yeah be favoring over where the blockade is or the checkpoint is

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The numbers do seem to imply

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That it does work. Well

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Regardless it no matter what we do. There's I think American history has borne this out pretty pretty accurately

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You're not going to stop people from driving drunk. No, that is not going to happen

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No matter how many mothers are mad about doesn't mean we prohibition didn't even do it. No

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so

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You know if you can do if you can take as many steps to minimize

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The damage that that causes because you know that it's going to be an issue right then then it's like it's like

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Second-hand smoke like yeah, your people are gonna smoke, but you shouldn't do it in a fucking diner

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I agree, you know, I agree with you and it does seem to

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The the numbers do seem to indicate that it does it does work in risk aversion or consequence

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Minimizing but I'm not and sometimes that is all you can hope for right, but I don't know it's better than nothing

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Yeah, I don't know. It's a it's a little bit of a I am a little ambivalent on how I feel about it

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Exactly, but unless it's being abused which is sweet

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From our police force, right? So now Alex

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Alex starts complaining about hospitals and he has some fair criticisms

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I think to some extent but the conclusions that he makes with those criticisms are

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Pretty inappropriate. What's going on at the hospital?

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And I warned him too because it's a city affiliated when I said don't go near your life

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You got to go where rich people go because if you're gonna go to a hospital because they don't feed on them yet

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If you go to a big mainline mega-hospital folks, they see you as an animal or you better show up in diamond rings and top hats

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So I think that his criticism it's not what he's saying, but I think his criticism that the sort of the health care

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business

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System as a whole does absolutely feed on poor people

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Oh catch them under all of the like the the uninsured and the right

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The idea that if you get it, like I don't know you fall down and break your leg accidentally

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You can't get anywhere an ambulance comes and picks you up. You're fucked for years

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Yeah, because of how much that ambulance ride absolutely and you have to go to the emergency room and you're fucked like that sort of thing

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Yes, absolutely fair criticism Alex agreed not gonna help if you come to any of those situations

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Wearing diamond rings and necklaces. Um, don't think that's going to help you

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You're that's a child's understanding of how like the being poor you get fucked by hospitals

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I'd like to say you're you're okay. You're going into the ER. They're like, okay

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Can I have your insurance card? You're like, excuse me madam. I do not use insurance like the poor

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Yeah

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I will give you this diamond ring and give me your finest

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medical treatment or the or the idea of like you're super poor you got to go to the hospitals the rich people go to because then

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They'll treat you. Well as a poor person at the rich hospital

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Some sort of body swap comedy

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We're in the prince and the paupers and everyone under the radar. Oh, they have to give you the good treatment at the rich

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Oh, sir, something terrible must have happened to you for your pants are not fully frayed

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And also like the idea of like you got to go to the rich hospitals because they're not feeding off of them yet

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yet in there is also like

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But again, I mean hey the medical establishment is very unfair and cruel to people who lack resources

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Oh, yeah, if Alex wants to talk about that. There's a hundred directions. He could go with it

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Yeah, then I'd be I'd be what I as the kids say I would be here for that

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Oh, my grandma just had a stroke and she's been in the hospital for forever. And now according to the

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According to the rules of her insurance or something like that if she's not showing consistent improvement literally every week

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She will have to go to this this nursing home slash hospice thing, which is just gonna bankrupt her. Mm-hmm

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Like so I gotta say like arbitrary rule so fucking stupid. She should have gone to the rich hospital. That's a good point

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I can't understand why good point if only she'd listen to this January 3rd 2013 episode of Alex a show where he unlocks

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Well, he's sold all of her diamond rings to pay for the uber to get her to the hospital cuz we couldn't afford the goddamn

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ambulance classic gift of the magi situation

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So Alex is you know, he's mad at hospitals for dumb reasons

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But he also is mad at vaccines for dumb reasons

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yes, and he has a story that he's telling about one of his employees who's I

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Guess there because he doesn't apply that it's a dude

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that his wife or fiance or whatever had recently given birth and

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Like there was a there's a dicey situation with the kid. He's not specific with the details

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Also, it's a third-hand personal story. So I'm not interested in that

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I'm gonna leave all of it aside and just try and get to the content behind what he's talking about and here he talks about

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How the globalists and hospitals are trying to kill pregnant women with vaccines?

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Okay

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you remember just four years ago everybody knew you don't give a pregnant woman a vaccine because the insert says and cause a miscarriage or

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Brain damage the child just well known for decades

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and I got crew here who who who have wives who are nurses where they're pregnant and this

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Hospital like okay

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You don't have to take the shot because you're pregnant because the doctors still know that but the but now they come out the news

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And said no if you're pregnant you need extra shots

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Folks they want to just see if they can kill us right out in the open

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Okay, so that is going to lead people to not get appropriate health care

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Yeah, that is a very stupid message that he's putting out and here's one of the reasons the issue here

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Is that some vaccines are dangerous for people who are pregnant but not all vaccines for instance any version of the inactivated flu virus

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Vaccine should be completely safe to give to someone pregnant or not. Same goes for the tetanus and pertussis

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Vaccine that the the TGAP vaccine provided that shot is given after the 27-week point in the pregnancy

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conversely the MMR and chickenpox vaccines have the potential to be very dangerous to a pregnancy because they can they contain live

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Viruses and the body and fetus will respond differently to them to then to non live virus vaccines

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beyond that

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There are other variables that come into play primarily related to the mother's medical history

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For instance, if you have a history of chronic liver disease a doctor might recommend getting a hepatitis a vaccine

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There's a lot of variables, but if a person works with their doctor generally risks are kept to a minimum

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Alex is relying on speaking so nonspecifically that his audience just accepts his argument purely based on feeling

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He's pretending that all vaccines are the same which is nonsense. He's further pretending that newer better safer vaccines aren't

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Constantly being produced so possibly one that was unsafe to give to someone during pregnancy years back now is

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because of developments R&D

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Those sorts of things. No, no, everybody knows that medical science doesn't change ever

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That's why something that we knew just four years ago

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Which is that we had roughly a hundred years before climate change would kill us all

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is

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Something that we no longer know on account of we don't right. That's medical gaslighting

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Yeah, I mean clear-cut absolute like the idea agreed you remember back when they told pregnant women not to get vaccines

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And now they want to give them vaccines not dealing with the extempor like the other details that surround the context of

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Medical care like it's it's absurd

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It's it's it's very it's very bad and it has the structure of the of a hacky like what so in the 80s

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They say eggs are good for us and then in the 90s. They say they've got too much cholesterol and now in the 2000s

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They're good for us again figure it out guys, right?

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It does it does have that without the attempt at a joke. Yeah instead. You're just going to lead children getting pertussis

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Yeah, you're gonna get a whooping cough outbreak happening or polio coming back

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So in this next clip Alex finally gets around to reading the definition of gaslighting

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And this is where it really the show takes a I mean

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It's basically like someone driving drunk off and they just take a swerve off a bridge. Okay. This is where things go real

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All right, here we go. Of course

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Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt

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His or her own memory perception insanity

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So that's the definition of gaslighting that he is reading and that is the definition that exists within the information

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Remember that do you need to hear it again? He didn't read it pretty quick. I got it

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Okay

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So in this next clip Alex describes how this period right now beginning of 2013

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Because of the perceived gun grabbing that's going on. Yes the most serious time in his entire career

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I believe this is gaslighting

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My friends we are in extremely dark times

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The darkest of my 17 years on air

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And unfortunately, our worst analysis is coming true. The worst case scenario is now unfolding

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You can probably tell them a lot more serious and focused on air. I'm a lot more angry

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And it's because uh, the globalists are hammer down they are going for broke right now

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So that is inappropriate because uh, he's not more focused. He is more angry

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I mean, but I don't think he's more angry than other times in his career and the idea that this is the most serious time in

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My 17 years on air. What about 9-11 you dumb asshole like what about to what about y2k?

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You were real serious on that day. You were real scared

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What about to I mean right at the beginning of his career was around when oklahoma city happened, right?

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Like what about these like why are you trying to undersell those other very serious things in your career?

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When you are just afraid of this perceived danger. I mean, I would even say the 2007 financial crash would probably be

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Way up there on the the list of I mean it would certainly fit his uh, his narrative better

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Yeah, then a lot of this stuff

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So his his definition of gaslighting where you're trying to exploit people's memories and make them think that they aren't real

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Is fully demonstrated in there. This is the most important time in my career. No

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Play that definition one more time gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which

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False information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory perception insanity

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Okay, well, okay, uh-huh. Maybe uh, according to the textbooks

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Uh, then yes, everything that alex jones has done is an entire in his entire career

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But it's a form of gaslighting, but especially that clip. Yeah, it's a form of gaslighting

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Is a form of gaslighting, but especially that clip yeah trying to make you distrust your memories

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Is it 9 11 the thing that you built your career on and is when the globalists made a coup and?

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No, isn't that more serious than this imagined illinois state senate bill

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Uh that you got going on and maybe you're mad at diane feinstein. Okay, what did 9 11 lead to?

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Nothing right now this gun control bill that's going to lead to being called patriotism to kill people with gun

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Sure with with guns. So that's he's right fine. So that's I think I just got gaslit. Yeah, you did

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So that's one example. This next one is so much worse and that's a psychological warfare term called gaslighting

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Is a form of

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Psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim

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Doubt his or her own memory. He reads it again. He reads the definition again. He read it in exactly the same way

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Mm-hmm. Wow perception and sanity instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abuse

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incidents ever occurred

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Or even the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim

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That's why they'll have school drills unannounced where they aim guns at kids. It happened to my crew

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Who's got kids in public school?

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They come and bang on the elementary and say we're here to kill you and the kids all cry and get scared

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And and they go the teachers go, you know following a manual. We're sorry. We had to do this

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It's because of american gun owners in one manual in michigan the feds issued it was we're sorry to do this

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This was due to homeschoolers and people against public education. That's ap if you think i'm joking they go

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Sorry

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We just blew up a car in the front parking lot and came and said we were going to kill you

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And children literally urinate on themselves teachers have had to go to funny farms over it

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Literally this has been in the news have breakdowns where they marched people out saying they're going to kill them

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And mask and don't tell them it's a drill that was in minneapolis st. Paul

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so

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That's uh, that's a lot. So I think I do remember the that at least one time

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no, yeah, at least one time that one of these drills was done without telling anybody and the

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national news picked it up and the entire country was like

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What the fuck are you doing?

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Yeah, but none of the it I don't know if that's true

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But if it was it's not the instances that we're talking about. Oh, no, absolutely

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We covered that homeschooling one, uh, where he's talking about the kids peeing their pants and right for now

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Because we've covered it already suffice it to say alex is misrepresenting that

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Although it is funny that he says the teachers had to go to the funny farm about it. Very weird

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I would spend more time on that one. But the last thing I think all

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I think all llama farms are funny. They're pretty funny. That's probably where they went the last thing he brings up

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That's a new one for our coverage

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So I thought i'd look into that

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Alex is asserting that there were drills where people in masks were marching people out as if they were going to be executed

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And not telling them it was a drill which has led people led to people having breakdowns. Whoa. Yeah, that was st

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Paul that fucking would yeah, it would be fucked up

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Yeah

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What alex is actually referring to is a helicopter exercise that the military had carried out minneapolis st

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Paul at the end of august 2012

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It's something that they from time to time do in

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Urban centers and spokespeople have commented on how it's important for their training to carry out these exercises in unfamiliar areas

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So the pilots can do a little bit of improvisational navigation

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One time when I worked at groupon the helicopter training exercise came through downtown, chicago

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And I can see that it was pretty amazing and a little bit intimidating

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But I didn't somehow think it was something that constituted a threat

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Like you're in this high-rise building and there's helicopters that are like going by pretty close to like your window level

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Really? That was pretty crazy. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. Yeah, it was a weird sight for sure

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It was pretty quick and everyone was just like wow, we get five minutes where we're not working. Yeah

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Yeah, everybody turns and looks and there's a helicopter flying by and you're like, okay cool

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All right, and then a couple of us meet at the uh, you know the swings with a lacroix

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Wasn't that fucked up? Right. Everybody everybody gives a thumbs up to santa claus and superman all the all the time

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Yeah, so the star tribune article about this which is used as a primary source on the info wars article about it

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Paul joseph watson basically just copies and pastes like three quarters of the article and calls it his reporting brilliant writer

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It has zero mention of like people in black masks no mention of people having breakdowns

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The closest it comes is saying that people who saw the helicopters thought they were loud and kind of annoying

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the article does mention

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The article does mention some summation. You gotta give it to them. That's terse. I mean, it's wonderful on info wars part

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It does constitute over reporting for alex to be saying these sorts of things when the source material is like I'd fuck it

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It was so loud. That's borderline laconic

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The article does mention some on the ground exercises that were carried out as a part of this as well

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But it very specifically points out that the bad guys in these drills were quote civilians paid by special operations command to play the enemy

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No one involved was unaware that it was a drill

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There's no indication that things even happened the way alex is describing them and even if they did no one is aware

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Unaware of what was going on quite literally. This is alex gaslighting his audience ironically in the middle of accusing his enemies of being gaslighters

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Now I will say just in the sake of calling everything out and putting it out in the open

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There is some concern that the military didn't give

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The public enough advance warning of the helicopters flying over their city and I accept that there's some argument that could be made there

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About whether or not that's appropriate, you know

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I could see that when I worked at groupon there was no advance warning that they were going to fly by our building or anything

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't feel like I was somehow wronged by it or anything and I didn't even understand why they were doing it

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You read these articles that are talking about like the idea of this landscape is unfamiliar

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This landscape is unfamiliar. It's helpful for the training of the pilots and stuff like kind of like all right

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I get what you're doing

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Also, the military spokesman in this article who was interviewed explained that they'd formerly given three days notice about these sorts of drills

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But they found that it became a little bit of a spectator sport

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Where people would come out in large groups to gawk at the helicopters flying overhead and that had the potential to introduce serious danger

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Oh shit, that's a good point, too. Right, because if these people knew that military helicopters were going to be flying over

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Yeah, you enter because they're so low flying you introduce the risk of someone throwing a rock

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Oh, I wouldn't well at the very least I would totally come out and be like, well, look at that shit

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Right, or if you have like someone with ill will uh, and and that's of course not everybody

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But you have like two million people in chicago or whatever, right?

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All it takes is one person knowing in advance that they could throw a flare at the helicopter and make it crash into a building

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Yeah, or something like that you introduce some really serious

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bad variables to it now does no I know a couple people who would go to the top of their building with a

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Fucking bow and arrow and try and shoot it down like they're crazy

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Does the danger that's introduced by telling people ahead of time?

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Um justify not doing it to begin with

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I don't know. I don't know and I think that there's a legitimate conversation to have there but it's not the conversation

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Alex is having no absolutely not. He's not even mentioning that it was just helicopters flying over

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There are people on the ground

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Taking people who didn't know it was a drill

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Execution, uh putting them on the knees and be like haha. Sorry. It's a drill. Sorry. There's it's a helicopter drill

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We were just trying to make sure you guys didn't throw rocks and then they uh end up having a breakdown. It's nonsense

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That's crazy. He's gaslighting people man. That's all that's happening here

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What's gaslighting again? Could you play that definition one more time? I think i'll probably read it again at some point

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Um, so alex is uh, I I don't often play how he comes back from breaks

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But this is one of the like four main things that that he does when he comes back from break

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He aligns himself with the truth and it's time for you to choose a side

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You're listening to alex jones

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That's gaslighting

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His voiceover is gaslighting people. He aligns himself with truth. We absolutely know that he doesn't

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He lies about everything the entire structure of this show is gaslighting this audience

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Is insane and I know i'm making a big point of it

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It's because that's what this show is making a big point of it

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Yeah, this show is all about the idea of accusing his perceived enemy as a gaslighting

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And this whole fucking thing is all that it's all it is. I just want you

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I just want you to play each clip and then afterwards play the definition of gaslighting

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We might as we're we might as well be there like the fact that he has the definition of gaslighting that he's read

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On his own fucking show that that is a damning clip if there ever was one. So, um for

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Like I would say his entire career certainly the last years of it that we've been able to cover

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But dating back to the days of endgame and what have you alex has been really mad that the uh, the globalists are eugenicists

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Something he's very against i'm just going to play you this clip. Okay, and some of you'll go

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Well, there are too many people have you seen how dumb the general public is

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Okay, but you need to understand something. Yes, there's truth to some of the eugenics argument

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Uh, i've never really talked about this on air

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This is such a complex issue and I want to make a whole film about it

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Don't do it. But when you really look at it, they've been there sabotaging things all the way

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Doing things that actually increase the population

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and increased

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the populations

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Yeah

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Systems how you're gonna land forms of their systems to where it was more destructive on the environment. Okay?

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Where are we going? It's incredibly complex

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like I shouldn't even have gotten off into all this because you really shouldn't have

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The point is they're trying to dumb people down and they want more dumb people than smart people

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Until they get control and then they're going to wipe almost everybody out

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That's uh, boy. That's that. I mean, there's nothing truer than him saying I shouldn't have got into this

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No, you should not have gotten it's not saying you're not making any points other than

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I feel like I wanted to make the point that some eugenics is good, but boy, I don't want to be specific about this

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I shouldn't have said the first sentence. What am I doing? I was I was about to say

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People environment bad

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My uh

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Isn't he for eugenics kind of just showed up there didn't it?

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Well, I mean the eugenics that he's against uh, and the globalists are doing in his perception is

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Against white people and it is dumbing people down that sort of thing. That's that's the version that he is, uh,

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full-throatedly against right, uh, but i've never ever heard him say

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Some of the eugenics argument is correct, which is fucked up. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, is is that gaslighting?

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So, uh towards the uh, this point of the episode alex starts taking calls

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Ostensibly from obama supporters and he wants to do it to sort of clown on people. Uh, but this game never works

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Because obama supporters don't listen to his show and what ends up happening is people call in and they say they're an obama supporter

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Just to get on the air of course, and then they're like obama sucks and then he's like, ah, yeah

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You got us and that happened one of the calls

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Uh was this guy who was clearly joking about being an obama supporter

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He's like I like obama because he's great. Everybody should like him like that sort of thing

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Yeah, yeah, alex treats him as if this guy is actually making a serious argument and he's like look at this deranged guy

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And like the guy is not serious

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So that's the first call that he takes. Oh, I think obama's great

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Look at this obama supporter. Yeah, I love him

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That's the first uh call that he gets and like we're off to a bad start

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Yeah, there's nothing worth really listening to it in that you basically just did it. Um, oh, thank you

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So then alex gets a call from a station owner one of the I don't know owner runner

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Who knows but some one of his affiliates? Oh, we're gonna keep you on our station

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No

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This guy is not pro obama. Oh, okay. Uh, he actually has some ideas that obama is not eligible to be the president

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Oh, but it has nothing to do with the birth certificate man has nothing to do with it

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It's a whole different thing whole different thing

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But in order to qualify to be a candidate for the united states president or to be the president

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You have to have

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natural

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born

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Uh citizens both parents

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And even according to the the the united nations laws

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United nations father was a british citizen. He is a british citizen himself

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Himself. Yes. He's a dual citizen. I knew that. No, I actually I knew that everybody got attention and the laws when he was born

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Said you had to have both parents

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Be citizens, uh who were you know who were actually born here

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They've since I believe changed the law going from memory

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But now he is illegitimate and they used the whole thing about where is he really from as a distraction?

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It's only a distraction because you guys

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started a bunch of incredibly racist conspiracy theories about

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Um obama not being a citizen. I don't care about any of that stuff george. I just want to I just want to say

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Uh, do you know how many presidents would not be eligible for the presidency?

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Hmm. Um, let's just go if that was in the constitution. You mean are you going to talk about the founding fathers?

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Let's just go with all of them. Well, no because in the constitution there is a caveat given natural born citizen or citizen at the time

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Of the constitution right being passed. So there was a like a workaround for the early presidents

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Presidents and stuff like that. No, i'm just saying if they had a

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Both parents had to be oh, yeah, that kind of thing. That's yeah, that's ridiculous. These are making that up

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That's that's an internet meme. That's an insane thing. That's just something from right-wing message boards. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, I don't give a shit about that

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Yeah

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But I wanted to I left this clip in for a reason

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And that's because I wanted to tell you about how I started reading a little bit about obama's dad barack obama senior

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And I found out that obama's childhood home was located at 625 11th avenue in honolulu. Hawaii

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That's about five blocks from my childhood home in hawaii really on the corner of 8th and harding in a house that all the locals insisted

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Was haunted

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um, we both lived in kaimuki the neighborhood in hawaii like it's very close i've

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A hundred percent been around where obama's childhood home was when I was a child and no one gave a shit

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Well, your home was your home was haunted of course by the ghost of his birth certificate

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Oh the kasha the kasha the japanese vengeful ghost of kaimuki the kasha of kaimuki

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You can look into it. They're around. Uh, there's a there's some websites you can find out about the this ghost that lived in my house

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Uh, but here's the thing

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There's a lot of really weird parallels between my life and obama's life

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And if alex really wanted to I would love it if he tried to spin a fun conspiracy out of it

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Okay, so i'm gonna give him a few breadcrumbs. Okay, here we go when I was a child

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I lived a couple blocks from obama's childhood home in kaimuki in honolulu. Hawaii. All right, there's one alex

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How old is obama older than me? How old are you? Uh younger than obama

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The timeline doesn't work out quite well

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Okay, but my dad was at harvard at the same time that obama was at harvard

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My dad was studying for his doctorate in religious studies at harvard at the same time barack obama was at harvard

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Then later we moved to honolulu

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My dad, uh did research at the east west center, which is an offshoot of the university of hawaii. Yeah

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Obama was also at the east west center around the same time. That's crazy. Think about all these connections

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Am I obama is your dad obama?

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So alex have fun with that do something I don't know what you want to do but do something with that

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That would have been the greatest reveal of all time

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If you were no if you were actually obama if obama had started a podcast with an asshole

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And and we in all of our photos. Well, he's been like, wow, we can't we can't have some age regression, uh software

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Got me this nice beard and all of a sudden i'm doing a podcast about how this guy's an asshole because he said I smelled

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Like sulfur, uh during the last campaign

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I found that very insulting and so now here we are solid reveal, right?

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um, so yeah, I just want that I want that to become a conspiracy that alex spends somehow that i'm

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Somehow that i'm uh involved in, you know that you're that you're oh, you're obama's secret love child

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Something like that. Who knows you can do that. Why not? I I

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Here's the thing. We can't ever guess what the actual end result would be

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But I want to know how all that information would be filtered by him

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Yeah, like I want to know what those little factoids the fact that we lived very near each other in our childhood homes

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At different times but same neighborhood very close, uh to each other. My house was also haunted

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My dad was at both harvard and the east west center at the same time as obama, right go with it, buddy

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Do something that does sound like an internet like one of those ready

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It sounds like one of those algorithm generated things where it's like you put in two or three bits of information and then it auto

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Generates a conspiracy theory based around what alex jones would say

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There's more literal facts to this than so many other conspiracy theories. Oh, yeah, absolutely

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Yeah, no, no for sure. I found these pieces of information out and I told my dad I was like, hey, you know

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You were at harvard and the east west center at the same time as obama. He's like obama was at the east west

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He had no idea. He's like that's fucked up. I do remember smelling sulfur. Oh, no a lot of flies. Oh, no

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Oh, so, uh this caller, uh, who uh is a radio affiliate goes on. Uh, this is just embarrassing

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Because he like that idea that both of your parents need to be naturalized citizens or natural born citizens insane. It's nonsense

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It's not in the constitution at all. Absolutely not and that's fine for a caller to say

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But it's fucked up to hear alex agree with the caller as if like yes, I know this to be true when it is absolutely not

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Yeah, no it it it it laws are not changed. Do you have to be a natural born citizen or your parents at least have to be naturalized citizens

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both of them or your

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Yes, both of them. It's in the constitution. Why?

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Okay, would put that in that's the way it is. No. No, you're right. But I believe

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At the time that was the law and you're right. It's in the constitution

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I think they claim they have a law that changed but you're right. It's in the constitution. You can't write a law to change the constitution

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Convention. Yeah, you can't write a law to change the constitution

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No, no, he gets to at the end as you you were talking over it a little bit

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But he's like that would require a constitutional convention a con con or whatever, which is fine

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But all of it didn't happen and all of it's not real none of it's so

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Cool

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I like I love that alex is gaslighting his audience about the constitution now like the idea

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He's like it's next level shit. There's nothing here. That isn't like, uh, emotionally manipulative and abusive

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Um towards the people listening weird. Yeah, so I mean like of all the like for a patriot, uh,

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like liberty freedom-loving, uh show

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The last thing you want to gaslight your audience about is the constitution. Yeah, absolutely

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Unless you're a propagandist

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Propagandist and then the first thing the only thing wow, if you're a propagandist

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What you want to gaslight your audience about is what is propaganda?

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And now he's going to do that. He's going to define propaganda in a very gaslight-y way

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But didn't he define gaslight by using the definitional terms for it?

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So wouldn't he then define propaganda by using the definitional terms for it?

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No, he uses he defines propaganda in a way that uh defies reality

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the word propaganda

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Just means information to get something political done. You want black propaganda means lies white propaganda means truth gray propaganda means spin

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I use white propaganda. So I want to be clear about

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Terms clear about the uh out there when I talk about gun violence lowering after gun ownership

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Increases and I have the fbi statistics. That's white propaganda

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Okay, so I want to be specific, uh about that. Go ahead. That is not uh

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Real, um, first of all, have you ever heard the terms white black and gray propaganda before? I mean I have from alex

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Yeah, definitely. Okay

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so

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Have you heard the terms white gray and black before i've heard white propaganda in terms of like white supremacist

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Supremacist, right? See now that one he's absolutely dead on I agree with him that he uses white propaganda

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Yeah, I think actually I probably have heard similar things from carrie cassidy. I think I probably heard some of that stuff

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Um, she does have this sort of like light and dark, uh dichotomy, uh in in in her world view

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Yeah, so I think i've definitely heard some of that idea of like but she also kind of does light and dark as opposed to

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white and dark but

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Whatever the case is, uh, not in reality, right propaganda

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Well, she does do gray propaganda, but only for the grays

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Propaganda is not just information used to get something done

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That is a

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incomplete

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definition of propaganda

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Incomplete is a great way of putting it. Yeah

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And to tell your audience like what I do is white propaganda

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That is and the definition that he's providing a propaganda. It's

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That's that's gaslighting. Yeah, absolutely

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Because if if you're if you're there if you're at the situation where propaganda is so nebulously

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and

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Not defined as to be literally saying anything to do anything and then you create these

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Subsets of propaganda where there's white propaganda black propaganda and gray propaganda. You're setting yourself up as a white propagandist

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And because your definition of propaganda is saying something to do anything, right?

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Everybody else who is not saying the same thing. You are saying is a black propaganda or gray or gray propaganda

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But even in alex's own conception of the shades of propaganda. He's a gray propagandist because

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The examples of 50 shades of gray propagandists. Well, I don't know if he's in a BDSM, but the example so I don't

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Uses is I showed you that crime rates went down as gun ownership went up and he's implying that there's a causal

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Relationship there. Whereas there may not be right

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So his definition of gray propaganda is spin and based on his example of what I do as white

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Propaganda that is spin. So you're actually a gray propagandist even in your own conception and all this doesn't matter

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You're a fucking propagandist. Yeah. Yeah, you know what really white propaganda is people telling you facts

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Like that's not propaganda

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Information is not propaganda

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No, that's why there was humor remember when we did that episode on the guy the Bernays

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Yeah, the guy who invented the term. Yeah, even he wasn't like well see there's good propaganda and there's bad propaganda

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And then there's gray propaganda marketing effort

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He fucking trained Jerome Corsi who actually shows up on this episode and it was so boring that we don't have any clips of it

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He didn't even bother to gaslight was really hoping he would have something to say about Sandy Hook, but all he says is like

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He believes it's any hook. No, it's just a you know, psych beds, you know psych beds

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I'm just like that's kind of a boring our angle for

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Jerome fucking Corsi to have psych beds psych meds psych meds. Oh, okay

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I was expecting him to come in with something really irresponsible and it was just like oh, this is bush league

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But yeah, this is this is an unfair definition of propaganda and passing it off on your audience. This way is

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Unfair, it's it's no good. Absolutely silly

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So Alex tries to get back to these pro Obama callers and pro Obama callers, right? He gets a call from this lady

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Who is like I am in favor of Obama, but I need you to understand

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I was a Ron Paul supporter, but as Ron Paul was unable to win the election

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obviously, yeah became a situation where it's

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Obama or

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Romney and Paul Ryan and they are clearly going to take away women's rights

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They're going to infringe on my rights. So what the fuck am I supposed to do?

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I went with Obama like what she has made the first reasonable argument you bet I can I can remember on this podcast

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like

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Legitimately, I cannot think of any more reasonable in like and it's still an info war Z in our

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Argument, it's still like a I don't trust Obama

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I want that libertarian Ron Paul, but at the same time it's not Romney is a fucking Mormon

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Who's going to take my uterus and force me to make babies with it?

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It's naively believing that Ron Paul is somehow going to be better. Oh, yeah. No, he's gonna do the same thing, right?

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um, but whatever whatever the case is there it is like the closest to like good good call

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Yeah, logic and it throws Alex for a really weird loop

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and he starts sort of moving the goalpost a bunch like trying to make like

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Completely unrelated arguments and then finally the caller gets sick and tired of it

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Yeah, and she just lays out what she thinks the problem in America is

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Alex I want to say something controversial and I don't care if it gets everyone mad

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but I'm gonna say to me the reason this country is going to you know,

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Where is because of old white men who are running the Senate in Congress who have been running it?

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We have what 1% of Mexicans and his and black people that are in the Congress Senate. No, it's not it's uh, are you kidding?

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It's all the all-time record hot. There's like 20 women in the Senate alone

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17

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White old men running this country that's been in the car since

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Man, man, man. Hold on man. You are are you really this ding ding batted where it's just fun to hold on

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I know the Democrats are all about race. You sound like a white lady

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I don't know if you are that that right there alone is crazy. All right, the Democrats are all about race

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You sound like a white lady

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Those two so I wouldn't have expected this coming from you those two thoughts are strange to come back to back

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But the point is it's like just fun to put down white people and I get that's fun

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I mean, that's the new trendy thing. No old white man, you know jump very different fun, too. The point is is that

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certainly

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You know, ma'am that Diane Feinstein, you know is a quote white lady and she's saying turn our guns in

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So if she's white if being whites bad, I guess she's a woman though. I must make it

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Okay, do you support us turning our guns in her answer was of course not

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Um, yeah, because the answer is of course, she's trying to follow follow a logical line through

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Yeah, I make a point you respond with obfuscation. I'll still go along with your point

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Whatever the Senate releases demographic information about every single session of Congress

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This was the 112th Congress and here's the actual breakdown of it

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16.8% of Congress were women in 2012 with a total of 91 persons elected who were women

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17 of whom were in the Senate only 8.1% of Congress were African American

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Not a single one of them in the Senate there were literally more radio talk show hosts than African Americans in the Senate that session

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There were more former astronauts than African Americans

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There were more former comedians than African Americans in the Senate in the hundred twelfths session

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Because al Franken, you know, I got it. I got it. I got a second. No, no, I got the Al Franken reference

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I got it right away. The average age in Congress was

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62.2 years for that session which is considerably higher than regular years

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Generally speaking and was the Congress was overwhelmingly white

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This woman is not far off from describing the reality that she sees in front of her like it's it's pretty accurate

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She says that there was a 1% representation of African Americans in Congress

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And then she says the Senate Alex talks over her as she says the Senate

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Yeah, and the number is actually 0%

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so

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There you go white people made up 96% of the Senate and 82% of the house in that session

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nothing about the demographics of the hundred twelve

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Twelve Congress comes even close to matching the demographics of the United States population

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Yeah, of course not the point that she's making is incredibly valid Alex can't handle it

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And so he starts obfuscating and trying to move the goalposts change the argument that she's actually making which you see happen

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So crazily here. Yeah in this next clip Alex accuses her of wanting the Mexican

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Congress to replace our Congress. Is that what you'd want? Cuz there's less white people

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So we just do a swap-a-rooney basically, okay, and keep this in mind. That would be an interesting experiment what he's doing

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I wouldn't mind it. Actually what he's doing is gaslighting her

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On ma'am ma'am ma'am. Did you hear me? The president is a puppet

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We're talking about how you're supporting a puppet

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Alex we can agree to disagree. No, no, but say you like Obama, but you don't like turning your guns in

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I'm gonna ask you a question. Should we should we get rid of our Congress and put in the Mexican Congress?

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Would that make things better? I think we should start all over here. Wait a minute

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You just said maybe we should go down to Mexico

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That's kind of North American Union is and bring all those great people cuz they're Hispanic up here to run that

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They would do a better job here. I think she's actually right folks. We got to continue here. Let's continue

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So in that clip you heard him say should we do this? He's presenting it as if he's asking her a question

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She says no and then he implies that earlier. She said we should bring all these she never said that

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Alex is just making that up. This is gaslighting. It's gaslighting his audience

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It's gaslighting her live on the phone

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Yeah, pretending that she said something earlier that she didn't say remember when you said that argument. It's insane

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This is a this is an abusive program. Yeah, it is. It is really insidious gaslighting

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Mm-hmm, like it's it's oh, yeah, it's it's kind of it's it's it's to the point

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The title should be the gaslighting episode

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Yeah

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Because he makes such a big deal out of it that we have to also and you see it everywhere

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When you get close attention to it, it's everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, it is

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It's it's so because no matter how strong your will is

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You are going to have a unless you're a psychopath like Alex. You're going to have that moment where you're like wait

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Am I crazy?

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Gaslighting is that constant. Did I say that the Mexican Congress should be brought up?

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I don't remember saying that but I've said I

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said that

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Problem is that there's too many old white dudes

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Right in in the Congress, which I think is a fair criticism. It's a valid point

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Did he come back and talk to me about that?

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No, he just said that we should switch the Mexican Congress in that I don't remember saying that

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Hmm, but I I've settled you know, what this has gotten a little heated

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Maybe I did say that and I didn't remember he has the ability to go out to break

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So I guess he controls what the audience thinks. Yeah, it's insane. It's nuts. So he gets another

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pro Obama caller and

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In this call, you'll see that this guy really isn't pro Obama as much as he is anti Republican

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Which is fine, but I don't think it's I don't think it's the premise Alex wanted

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Yeah, but it's what he it's not the premise he introduced but it's exactly what he wanted to hear

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Let's go ahead and talk to Dave in Montana. Dave. Go ahead. You're on the air

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Alex I support Obama because I hate the Republicans so much because they hate the 10th

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Amendment they could have been in office

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They could have ran away with the election. All they had to do was back up the 17 states that

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Exercised the 10th amendment marijuana and allowed their people to use

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medical cannabis and

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to use cannabis to hemp

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Rudialis part of the cannabis for industry and and and

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And jobs and all right and liberty. No. No, I hear you. I'm gonna go back to you Dave

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I'm gonna go back to you. This is the best Obama supporter call. We've gotten in the five or six shows

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Or sections of broadcast that we've done no shit because your callers generally suck and this guy isn't pro Obama

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He's not making pro Obama statements. He's saying the Republicans blew it

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So by default I'm going to him which isn't that different than what that woman was saying?

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Yeah, it's just she had other ideas that Alex was yeah stole towards

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This is pathetic like in terms of broadcasting. Also. He doesn't go back to him

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He just puts him on course starts pontificating and then pretends that the guy hung up. Well. I mean he's a fun guy

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I like Dave that guy I like Dave Wyoming Dave seems nice

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Dave seems like Dave seems high as fuck first off sure and

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Second I just like his I just like is a slow meandering tone. He's not in a hurry

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That's why I always put him on hold. Yeah. Yeah. He's not in a hurry to finish things

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Yeah, I mean it is what it is

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So it's interesting because that call really was about the idea of like legalizing drugs

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Yeah, cannabis whether it's for medical medicinal purposes or whether it's for industry hemp

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clothing and what-have-you

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Great great if you're a libertarian you believe that everybody should be able to have these things and make their personal

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Choices his personal liberty demands it yeah

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so that makes this next clip really hard to hear if you imagine that Alex is a libertarian because I think this flies a

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Hundred percent counter to libertarian ideology. I'm not a big supporter alcohol. I think it's more destructive than marijuana

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And I'm for drug you know decriminalization, but also I think you know the state shouldn't be involved in alcohol

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It should be a local thing a criminal thing you poison somebody with alcohol. You sold you're going to prison

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Now you poison somebody with alcohol. You're just gonna find you see

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But side issue no that's not a side issue. I

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Think a libertarian position on this you want to maximize freedom

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Yeah, if you drink a ton of booze you will poison yourself

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Everyone knows that yeah, it's very clear. Yeah, you have the personal choice

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To take as much alcohol into your body as you decide to that's true

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It is not upon the free market to dictate how much booze should be sold to you. There is no

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local state or federal

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Government that should be able to step in and say what the business relationship between booze seller and booze buyer should be

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Just because it's a danger to you doesn't mean you shouldn't have access to that danger

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You are an adult you are a free man you have the choices in front of you

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To poison yourself with this booze. It has nothing to do with who sold it to you. The fact that Alex is like

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Micro-managing this and making it should be a local issue as opposed to like the federal government. Yeah. Yeah, that's so irrelevant at all to this

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Libertarians a hundred percent would be like you drink yourself to death

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No one else is responsible, but you you did that you chose to do that in some way

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Oh sure, you got addiction you had a choice to not have that addiction

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Yeah, it's like the idea that Alex is saying that he's like that is not at all in line with any

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Libertarian thought that I've ever come in contact with right?

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Maybe there is some branch of libertarianism that is like well, there should be some nanny state. I've never heard that

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Nanny state but local level. Yeah, I've I don't I don't know that to be a robust part of libertarian thought

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Well, it's somebody who's been kicked out of many a bar for being over served. I can tell you

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Generally speaking. They were right the entire time. Oh, I mean, I agree, but that's a different conversation. Yeah

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Yeah, what I'm saying is no no even a

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Libertarian even a libertarian should have the wherewithal to be like that one was on me guys

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Um, you know what you get this round. I don't want to sue the government over my free booze rights

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Well, well, I mean we're

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Not libertarians. So absolutely now you recognize the idea of like well if you're in a certain state

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You are impaired and you don't know the extent of what you're taking into your body

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Yeah, but that there's no room for that within libertarian. They tend to be very hard line on there's a lot of absolutes

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Yeah, they like absolutes. Yeah from everything I've experienced with libertarians. There's very very much

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Uh cut and dry right which white and black propaganda. No gray

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Which as obi-wan has told us?

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Absolutes lead to the dark side Dan, right? So that's weird. It's very weird to hear Alex say that. Yeah, I didn't expect that

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So I also did I expected this next clip I was gonna try and transition be like

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I also didn't expect to hear this where Alex says something really fucked up, but I did expect this. This is stupid

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Okay. So do you have to tell me how bad the Republicans are? The point is the Republicans it?

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represent the best people in this country

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They are the people that soak up the energy of the libertarians conservatives

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constitutionalist who compared to the average Democrat are

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more productive are

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more

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Pro-human pro-life real people. Okay. I mean I the average Democrat I know is a helpless

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Disconnected from reality

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Incredibly weak stupid person who thinks they're real smart. What Democrats do you know? I

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Mean, who is he talking about?

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But I mean like it's one thing to like say that you're above the right-left

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Republican Democrat divide all that nonsense

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It's real hard to have that as your self-perception and then be on air being like

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Democrats are almost not people and the Republicans I don't like them because they're not extreme enough, but they represent the best people

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Yeah, that's not good. I mean, he literally said Republicans are real people. Yeah. Well, they're realer

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Yeah, I mean it's it's a it's it's a Republicans soak soak up the energy of the

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Libertarians and they what are you what soak up the energy? Oh, do you mean a

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Exploit your dumb bullshit in order to cut taxes for the rich you goddamn moron

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I think it's probably a part and parcel of like the idea that

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Democrats are into

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Generally speaking the Civil Rights Act and libertarians and

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constitutionalists and those sorts of folks are not right and the Republicans are also not that much either and so they soak up that

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energy soak up the

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They soak it up and they spit it out through white propaganda. And so the the libertarians and the the

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Constitutionalists all these sovereign citizens all these folks they find the Democrat

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A policy set of positions completely unacceptable. And so where do they go? They go to the Republicans?

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Now the Republicans are too close to the middle too because they're not as overt as the libertarians

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Constitutionalists course and all that set. So yeah, that's what Alex is saying. Basically. I mean, it's just

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They're not extreme enough

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It's a bummer. That's what I was saying. I don't think that's a shock to hear at all

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but the sentence the Republicans represent the best people is

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That is a pretty that sentence did surprise me a tiny bit what just because it's pretty over and what's the?

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demographics for

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Republican voters

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Do you think there's so it would you say that there's a diverse set of Republican voters on the whole?

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It's less than on the left for sure. Yeah, it sure seems like it doesn't it and yet they represent the best people

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It almost seems like you're trying to say something almost seems like that's gaslighting. Yeah, it could be it's more dog whistling

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But whatever anyway, we have one last

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It could be gaslighting in the sense that you remember Republicans being garbage all the time and you saying that

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Yeah, you remember you hate Republican. Yeah, and they're like wow

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They represent they do represent the best people though

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Even though they're awful and they're garbage and the people they represent are garbage historically

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So Alex Alex gets one final Obama supporter caller and it would be way too long to play the entire call

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Because this guy is really fucking articulate and he makes a really good point and that is that like I'm a business traveler

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I live in Canada and I'm all around I go all over the world and one of the most important things

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I think in the United States government whether your puppet or not like the as a leader is stability

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and the idea that what Obama is bringing to the table is a real sense of stability and

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It really makes a big difference around the world the places that I go to

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And it's really great to be able to come back to the United States

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It feels better coming in when there is a sense of like a steady hand at the wheel

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Point could not be more prescient

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like Obama

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Like let's if you want to litigate the Obama presidency. We can go all day. We can do that. That's no big deal, right?

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But if you want to litigate Obama's stability his appearance of a stable presidency you cannot

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Well

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Even with these people like Alex and all the other people savage and not Trump. Yeah trying to make

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Tsunami waves at him like rocks the boat. Absolutely. Yeah the ability to keep things moving

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I mean, of course bad choices here and there obviously and bad very serious consequence true for sure

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but yet the ability to

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maintain poise

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Did make a difference in terms of

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Stability, right? So this guy is a pretty good caller all things considered. Yeah, I give him a b-plus because

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I'm never gonna give an Alex Jones caller an a yeah, I know he was kind of close

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Yeah, it's kind of close, but I'd still probably give her a b-plus

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Just because we've had some high quality colors on the same episode

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I think that she had the potential to be a minus caller if Alex didn't talk over her a bunch

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Because I think she had some other points to bring to the conversation. Okay. Well, she wasn't allowed to bring and that's not her fault

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No, no, no, of course

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That's all that's like the that's your base argument then for every caller not getting an A

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Because if you're if she had the chance to be an a-minus, but Alex talked over her literally

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Everyone who had the chance to be able even whatever they bring to the table is a D. No for sure

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She had it. She had a b-plus with what I heard right it but I also have to accept that

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I could be fantasy booking what Alex talked over. Yeah could have had some bad point

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Yeah, that I didn't get to hear that would have brought her down to a c-minus

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I thought Mitt Romney was gonna take my rights away and I couldn't have these n-words it well

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I don't think I don't think there's any chance that that was where she was going

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Yeah, but something else could have been like Federal Reserve is brought in by three people. Right, right

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All right, that takes you down and that takes you it down at least a lot. That's a C

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Yeah, that's for sure a C, but she comported herself quite well

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And so did that guy that that guy was a really interesting call

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I wish I would have pulled some clips from it, but it really wasn't

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It wasn't that

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Good a radio really right? It was a it was Alex kind of just being confused

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and

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It's more important. What happens after the call because Alex kind of loses it he

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Realizes he should have yelled at this guy. Yeah, and didn't he let too many good things come out, right? And

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so he doubles down at the end of this episode by just like

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Fuck, I got a ramble. It's real simple

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Okay

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Folks if the globalists want your guns you want guns if the globalists say don't buy gold

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You want gold if the globalists say don't eat?

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Organic food you want organic food if the globalists say it's good to radiate your food

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It's bad to radiate your food and then you can go look at the reasons

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It's bad. But in every case if they say something's good. You better believe it's bad. I

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Mean they call this modern world empowering women

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Women aren't in power. They look like they've been run over. I want to be clear

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I have to pause the clip for a second. This has nothing to do with anything that was discussed in that guy's call

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is a non sequitur

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This is him talking about women being empowered or anything like this is just a laundry list of reverse psychology

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examples, I guess weird

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Gas light they've been gas lighted into thinking they're ugly

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When their family everything is waiting for him

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And we're saving them and they're running everything women have always been the center of everything

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Women are running everything and they think they don't have anything as the television is they're showing them this imaginary Hollywood world

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Let me tell you that in one Hollywood's like we all know that

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He knows what Hollywood he knows the Hollywood underbelly

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You can't keep me far I get in I'm not bragging I get invited

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not in as much as I used to but I get invited to

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Behind the scenes huge world events world concerts

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you just

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You know

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skyboxes at Formula One with the you know top top five world rock band and

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You know, he constantly and it's not that I'm against those people. They're less

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Maybe I should go meet with them and stand around all fancy with bodyguards and you know preen

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I mean, I guess that is success, but that is not what I'm into and not because I don't like status

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I want status amongst thinkers. I want status amongst strong men and women

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status amongst artists you're in trouble to be a peacock, but I

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Want to influence them because I have a vein of primal

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human

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Liberty that I want to infect people with I accept the infect part. Yeah that one I accept

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Yeah, that's the only word that rings true

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What you want to do is infect people with one infect people and basically a brain worm

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Yeah, you you do I get this is just like this is crazy now

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I wish Jon Ronson had interviewed the guy who asked him to do porn. Oh, man

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So good also possible that look great. I showed me his penis. It was

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So sizable. I thought he would have a good shot. I mean even as good of an

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Investigator and journalist as Jon Ronson is there's a pretty good chance

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Be impossible to find that person because they don't exist that could also be a story Alex is

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Actually is Andy Daly as Don DeMello it could be

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So we've reached the end of this episode and like I really think that

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It's it. I wanted more out of this episode. I want more out of all of her episodes

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Yeah, of course of course you do I want there to be more thrust. I want there to be more truth

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Anything and there's there's nothing happening here at the beginning of 2013

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It's it's and there's not enough to dismiss also

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Or there's too much to dismiss the idea of a bottle episode that we've just done essentially about Alex

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Discovering the concept of gaslighting and then proceeding to gaslight at every possible turn

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I think there's a pretty strong humor and irony to that right but at the same time

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It really doesn't help us understand him more. No, this is just a demonstration of him being a real pile of shit

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Yeah, it's almost cute is cute the word I would describe it like the mean it seems like him absent consequences

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It could be kind of yeah

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like he just it's like it's like somebody who turned the page on their word of the day calendar and realized that it

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Like the word of the day expressed so much about his life that he was so hey. Hey, hey

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Hey, do you guys know what gaslighting is? Do you know what gaslighting is? Oh my god

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I can't wait to tell you all about this and then maybe yeah. Yeah, we got it

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It's okay, and then he goes to the next fucking table and does it but then but before he leaves that table

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He tells those friends of his at that table things

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They didn't do in the past and pretends that they did and holds them accountable for things that they didn't do. Holy shit guys

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I just learned about the word gaslighting. Do you know what gaslighting means?

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Uh, yeah, I know so do I I've always known what gaslighting means and you know that I have always known

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What gaslighting means I know what it means and have for forever

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I definitely didn't learn it today on my word of the day calendar. How dare you suggest what I just said. Yeah

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Yeah, so, I don't know

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It brings us to the end of this and I don't know it is what it is

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I think I you know what it's it's a troublesome truth, but it's

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Always nice when we have multiple candidates for people who technically probably haven't killed a guy

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I know we don't know their names because they're just these callers. I like Dave. Dave is Ted from why he was definitely not technical

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Well, actually no Dave is from Wyoming. I feel like half the people in Wyoming have a murder charge

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Well, or at least like a vehicular manslaughter. Yeah

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Do you are there? Yeah, I don't know not funny let's leave him off the list and probably just say that that lady is doing good

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So we'll be back with another episode on Monday. But until then we do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com

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That's right. Then we you could go to the Twitter's that's right. It's at knowledge underscore fight

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You bet it is you could probably go to

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What's the other one Facebook?

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I committed crimes all over the place, but you can join our group go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. That's right

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We're no crimes committed there. We are on iTunes download

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overcast

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I like it over. I like overcast. It's good. Um, but you know, we'll be back

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But for now, I I do feel like that lady who called in who brought up how old and white male the Senate is or

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The entire Congress is I think she was on to some shit. I doubt she's ever killed any I support somebody one guy

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who technically probably has and

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based on John Ronson's

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reporting

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Maybe didn't kill somebody or maybe it's a whole other person. Yeah, who he almost oh, yeah

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Oh, it's a mess terrifying too terrifying to imagine what damage he's done to people's lives. Yeah

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But he still technically probably killed a guy that's Alex Jones Andy in Kansas you're on the air, thanks for holding

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Oh Alex, I'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you