Transcript/276: January 1-2, 2013

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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When was the last time you were illegally fired by a millionaire?

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Uh, I feel like every time I've been fired it's been called for.

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Yeah.

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And no one, I don't know the monetary status of the people who have fired.

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Like personal?

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Well I don't know if I've worked for millionaires.

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Yeah, see.

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I know I've worked for some people who have postured as millionaires for sure.

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Right, at the car wash I assume.

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No, no, that guy postured as a 20,000 pair.

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Yeah, your immediate supervisor.

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No, no, no.

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I worked for a guy who owned a sandwich place called WG Grinders.

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I guess he didn't own the place but he was the franchise owner.

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WG Grinders?

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Uh huh, WG Grinders.

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That sounds like a robber baron in the 1920s.

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Yep, it does.

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It was one of my earlier job experiences.

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I was very young and there was a place with, you know, they make the toasted sandwiches.

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They were one of the early places that had that like that Quiznos style.

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Hey, hey, don't use brand names here.

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So yeah, WG Grinders.

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That guy, my boss there postured like he was pretty rich.

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I don't know if he was though.

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I guess, I mean, where else have I been fired from?

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So many places.

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I'll tell you what, I've only ever been fired from one place.

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Bob Goodrich, the guy who ran Goodrich Theatres.

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Oh, Goodrich Theatres.

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Oh, okay.

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He didn't fire me but I'm sure he was a millionaire.

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But it's got to be direct.

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I got it.

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I got it.

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Direct from the source.

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I know you want to fucking talk about it, just go ahead.

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No, I don't want to talk about it.

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You're a son of a bitch.

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Are you serious?

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No, of course not.

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Okay.

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Oh, absolutely not.

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I was fired on Tuesday, Dan.

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I know I've told you the story.

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I was fired on Tuesday.

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I feel like the people want to hear the story.

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I would assume so.

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By Scott Cluth, who is the boyfriend of one of the Real Housewives of New York.

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I didn't know as we started this that you were going to be naming names.

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Oh, hell yeah, I'm naming names.

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No, I'm deeply uncomfortable.

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Oh, I don't have a fucking problem here.

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The opinions voiced by Jordan do not necessarily represent those of the Knowledge Fight LLC.

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Yeah, we are not an LLC.

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Which is why you don't even need to worry about it.

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They're coming after me.

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You got nothing in here.

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So you got fired.

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I got fired in violation of labor laws, which it turns out exist, even if you're not in a union.

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And the main reason that I can't tell all the story,

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Right.

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Under advice from people, but I can name names.

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And I can tell you that the guy at the National Labor Relations Board was incredibly helpful.

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And after we had done all the affidavit and all that stuff, and everything was signed away

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and all good to go, I was like, hey, I just want to make sure I'm a comedian.

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I'm a public figure.

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I talk about stuff.

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I'm sure this is fine to talk about, right?

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And he's like, yeah, I wouldn't talk too many specifics.

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But let me tell you something.

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It wouldn't be a bad idea to tell people about the National Labor Relations Board

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and what it is we do for workers all across this nation.

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Hashtag not sponsored.

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And it was like, I heard swelling music come up behind him.

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His speech was written by Aaron Sorkin, Dan.

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Yeah.

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So this is a plug.

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You guys were walking down a hall as he told you this.

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Exactly.

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This is a walk and talk.

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Yeah.

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This is a plug for the National Labor Relations Board.

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Look it up.

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See if you're fucked up.

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This guy is doing good work.

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He's doing good work.

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So yeah, you know, it's perfect timing in the world that I would be in the middle of

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trying to move while you get fired.

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Yeah.

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And enter a very complicated process.

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Legal dispute?

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Yeah.

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Can't be more exciting in our lives right now.

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Times are good in college fight HQ.

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Yeah.

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Keeping our spirits high.

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One of the things that helps us keep our spirits high.

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That is a good point.

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Is that there are a lot of people out there who are signing up to support our show and

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what we do.

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And we appreciate it very much.

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So let's give a shout out to some people who have signed up to support the show first.

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I'd like to say thank you to Eric.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Eric.

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Next, Heather.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Heather.

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Next, Amanda.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Amanda.

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Next, Rob with Two Bees.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Rob.

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You know what the second B is? That's fucking Rob Stark is what that is, man.

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Could be, or the second B could be for Badass.

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That's nice.

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Badass policy wonk, Rob.

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What's the first B for?

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I'm not sure.

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Okay.

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Probably bagels, like bagels in the morning.

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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who took their donation and bumped it up to

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a little higher level and we appreciate it very much.

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So Caleb, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, Caleb.

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Thank you very much, Caleb.

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I'd like to support the show and what

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these guys do, I like this show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking that button that says support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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Please do.

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It would be helpful.

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I want to put out this episode today by giving a little bit of an apology.

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My language was a little sensational in the last episode.

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I know that I called myself out for these thoughts I'm having about Alex maybe being

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dead or stupid.

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Yes.

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I called myself out for that, but it's still not the kind of conversation I like to even

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introduce to our show, especially because a little more time has gone on and the mystery

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is solved of where has Alex been.

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Right.

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I found an Austin American.

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He's been living in our 2012 episodes.

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If only.

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A happier time for him, weirdly.

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So, I knew that Alex had recently learned or the world, it had been reported in February

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that he was going to have to sit for a deposition in his Sandy Hook defamation lawsuit.

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Right.

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But none of the stories that I had read up till that point had any kind of specifics

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of timeline.

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However, I found an article in the Austin American Statesman from last week that was

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talking about last Thursday, he had a court appearance at which the judge decided that

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he had to sit for a deposition this Thursday.

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So, on the 14th of March, he had to sit for a deposition.

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I'm still not sure why that means he was gone for a week, but that has to have something

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to do with it.

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Maybe he had to go to Connecticut to give the deposition.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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Possible.

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There's something going on with that lawsuit that explains his absence and his time away.

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Yeah, that's a good question.

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If the lawsuit is brought in a specific state, do you have to go to that state to give the

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deposition, or could you just do it by video in Texas?

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I'm not sure.

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I assume it's-

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It seems like you would have to go.

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I would think, I don't know.

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I don't know how it works.

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But I do know that he has cases pending in Texas and in Connecticut.

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Well, that's nice.

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I don't know.

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There's so much non-transparency in terms of how this legal case is proceeding.

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Of course.

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Right.

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Those are very murky, and that's something that was missed by our speculation.

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Although I do think that we did bring up the possibility that the legal cases were getting

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real, and that could explain his absence.

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We just thought that it could be worse, and sometimes that's where the mind takes you.

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He was in a terrible place.

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Yeah.

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It's an entirely reasonable thing to speculate after listening to how terrible a place that

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he was in.

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Right.

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And then to see him gone for that long, it was mysterious.

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No.

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And whenever I did that on this show, everybody in the group would be like, holy shit, one

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of them's dead.

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People start posting stuff on the group when I just don't post something until later than

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usual.

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That's right.

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That's true.

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Look, it is what it is.

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I think that probably explains pretty much all of this.

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Yeah.

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The case is getting real, and he's in a bad place.

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Most likely.

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So he came back on Thursday, on the 14th.

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He was back in studio doing part of his show.

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So everything is somewhat back to normal, but we did not have time before recording

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this episode, because we're recording on Thursday, to cover what he was in, because I watched

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like half an hour or so of it, and it was pretty boring.

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So not enough present day stuff to go into, so we're going back to no longer 2012.

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2013.

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January 1st and 2nd, 2013.

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Let all acquaintance...

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What's the secret of 2013?

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Oh, man.

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The secret of 2013.

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Is it Megyn Kelly?

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Man, this episode is so fucked up.

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This episode is crazy.

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One of the really frustrating things about studying Alex Jones and taking him in his

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own linear path, is that he never gives you what you think you're going to get.

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We expected a good bit of Sandy Hook.

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We got Somali Pirates one night.

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Basically.

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It happened.

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Yeah.

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Who knows?

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Out of nowhere.

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Out of nowhere.

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He's roguish that way.

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Yeah.

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He's a cad in many ways.

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You know, we jumped into middle December 2012, expecting to have a fair amount of coverage

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of Sandy Hook, and for it to go on a while, and it just goes on for a couple days where

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he gets pretty irresponsible, says it's a false flag, suggests that people are actors,

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sort of abandons that entirely, and then just starts trying to agitate people towards fear

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that the globalists are taking their guns, which will lead to a civil war.

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And he stays in that holding pattern until the end of 2012.

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He finishes the year laughing about how people thought that he thought it was the end of

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the world on December 21st, and telling people this is a red crisis level emergency.

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The gun grabbing is going to happen.

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It's nuts.

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So you expect that to continue, and it kind of does.

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Well, but we've all had that end of the year malaise where it's like after the holidays

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you're not really focusing on anything.

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You're just kind of coasting throughout your day job.

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New Year rolls around.

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Then you start to get that new feel for a month, and then it all goes away, and it goes

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back to shit.

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But you know, you get that feel.

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He's really feeling it on the first, and you can hear that in this first clip.

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It is the first day of 2013.

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I've been a lot of soul searching, and I want to commit to you in this year that I'm going

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to put out the greatest output of information and of the highest quality that we have ever

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produced.

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I am going to make a new official film this year.

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I've not announced that yet.

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I will.

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He doesn't.

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That's trash, man.

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But did he find his soul?

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I don't think so.

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Because he said he was doing some soul searching.

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I hope he didn't, because that would be a bad indication of what his soul looks like.

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I was going to say, because if his next statement is after I did some soul searching, I'm going

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to put out more information, that does not suggest there's a lot of depth to that soul.

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No, no it doesn't.

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Well, I mean, he's like, this is going to be the most informative year.

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That's the equivalent of just saying, I'm going to eat healthy this year.

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It's so vague as to be like, at the end of the year, I think I did, I don't know.

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So yeah, he's making these classic vague pronouncements of the new year.

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He doesn't make another documentary, because the last one that he ever put out, and that's

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a stretch calling it a documentary, was that strategic relocations with Joel Skousen.

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Did not know about that.

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It's just basically a really long interview he did with Joel Skousen, where he's sitting

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in the studio with him, and he's talking about where you can bug out to and shit like that.

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Oh, that's-

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I actually think we probably should cover it.

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Is that good information?

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It's too long to just talk to Joel Skousen.

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Right.

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I assume that's 15 minutes?

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Oh God, it's really long.

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It's so long.

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It's longer than that Jacob Wohl documentary that I watched.

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Not good.

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Why did I watch that thing?

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I don't think it was a good idea.

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Man, it was 20 minutes long, and it felt like two hours.

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You really got to go hard to be shittier at your job than Project Veritas.

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I was sincerely thinking about covering it for this episode, just because it was like,

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well, that would be an easy thing to do.

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Yeah, that's slam dunk.

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It lasts about five minutes.

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There wasn't enough content in it.

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Like legitimately, so much of the documentary is Jacob Wohl and Laura Loomer just sitting

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around or standing outside a door.

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Okay.

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That's some compelling footage right there.

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It's terrible.

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Still probably more visually stimulating than Strategic Relocations, Alex's final documentary.

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Gotcha.

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What were his places to bug out to?

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I don't know.

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I don't remember.

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I did watch it, but I don't remember.

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Because sometimes we-

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Words.

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Sometimes we mock things, but I mean, what if we looked into it and there was like, I

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don't know where to hide my guns, Dan.

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I never read it.

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I guarantee there would be some useful information in there.

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See, there we go.

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Which I'm not, it doesn't pain me to admit that.

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I don't care.

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I think there probably would be some stuff like, you know, because even these like crazy

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survivalists do have some pieces of good information.

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You should know how to get water.

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You bet.

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Everyone should know that.

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I agree.

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So I don't know.

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It's just-

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It's at the store.

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It's a matter of scale, is the thing.

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So Alex here on January 1st says it's going to be the most informative year ever.

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I'm going to do this thing.

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I'm going to crush it.

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The rest of the show is dog shit.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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It is a no man's land.

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I listen to it.

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I can find nothing worth discussing.

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What is he even talking about?

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It's a lot of like a Diane Feinstein sucks, she looks like a demon kind of stuff.

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Fair.

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He's saying that she has said, Mr. and Mrs. America, get ready to turn in your guns.

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And in order to justify that, he plays a like years and years old clip of Diane Feinstein

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talking about in the past, if she was able to get a bill through that would have taken

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everyone's guns, she would have done that, but she couldn't do it then.

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It has nothing to do with implying in any way she still wants to do that or would still

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push that legislation.

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But Alex is playing so fast and loose with that.

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So he's using that to make the argument that Diane Feinstein is announcing that Mr. and

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Mrs. America, get ready.

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I'm coming to take your guns.

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I thought she was referencing that Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie movie.

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Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

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Oh, that's the one.

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Okay.

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Come on, man.

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All right.

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That's where they fell in love.

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And that doctor from house was in it as a secondary character, Angelina Jolie's friend

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in the movie.

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Can't remember her name.

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Jennifer Morrison.

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All right.

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So January 1st is trash.

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There's nothing going on there.

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That was a fun little romp through your thought process.

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A to B to C.

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Yep.

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So we jump in on the 2nd, January 2nd, and Alex in a span of 10 seconds, can't remember

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what year it is.

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We're not going to release that much information this year.

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Well, 2013 is already getting a little long in the tooth here.

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It is the second day of January, 2012.

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Still writing June on his checks.

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He's still writing June on his checks.

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That's crazy.

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That's the whole reason you kept that in.

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Well, also because it's crazy how fast that happens.

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Yeah, that was quick.

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But I'm not judging him too harshly because he has that rhythm of it's already blank day

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and he says it every day.

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So it's going to take a little while to train that out of you.

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It's already the third day of March 2014.

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And he does not explain at all why he's saying that the year is already long in the tooth

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in the second day.

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That was a really good question that I wanted answered.

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That's not answered.

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It's old?

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Yep.

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He's just tired.

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He's just like, I'm done with this year.

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I'm fucking done with it.

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Nothing has happened yet.

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And I'm sick of this year.

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I did one bad show and that's about it.

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We didn't even lose the great actor.

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What was his name?

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Snape?

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What was his name?

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Professor Snape?

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Dumbledore.

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No.

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Didn't Dumbledore play Snape?

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No.

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You're killing me.

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Why can't I remember his name?

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Rickman.

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Rickman.

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Alan Rickman.

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2013 was still a good year.

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Fine.

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As long as Rickman's around, it was a good time.

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You know what else was around?

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What?

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Lying about primary sources.

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That was still around in 2013, as Alex does in this next clip.

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Again, when I say something, I always double check it.

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Yeah, Larry Summers in 1991, and Wikipedia has a link to the official memo that he put

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out.

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We'll put that on screen.

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Go ahead and scroll down.

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It's also in mainstream news.

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Where he said, let's ship our toxic waste to Brazil, that'll help get their population

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down as well.

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Whoa.

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That's explicit.

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And he goes over the reasons, well, you need to be gotten rid of.

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So, again, this is their attitude.

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So the memo in question doesn't say that it would help get rid of people or anything like

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that.

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But there are a couple problems with Alex's story that he's telling here about this Larry

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Summers memo.

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Like what?

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Right off the bat, there's the problem that he's saying that Wikipedia has a link to it,

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which suggests that his research process was just to make sure there was something on Wikipedia

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about the memo, then forget that there's a second step that he needs to make.

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It seems like that's good enough.

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It wasn't in his Encarta CD anymore, so he couldn't find it.

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The second problem is that if you read the Wikipedia entry about this memo, the second

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paragraph on the page, you just get down to the second paragraph, you find an explanation

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that one, Larry Summers didn't write the memo, two, the guy who did write it insists that

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in its proper context, the memo was meant to be satirical and a means to prompt interdepartmental

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debate.

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And three, the version of the memo that was leaked in 1992 was doctored specifically to

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remove context to make it seem like those proposals that were being made were serious.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So somebody edited a modest proposal to make it look like they really wanted to eat those

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fucking babies.

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More or less.

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Yeah.

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In a piece for The New Yorker, the author of the memo, Lant Pritchard, who worked as

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an assistant to Summers, is interviewed.

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Lant?

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Pritchard?

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Lant?

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Lant?

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Oh, man.

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Why do we always have weird ass names on this show?

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It's wall to wall.

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Quote, I strongly recommended that he say I had written it and that he had just signed

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it.

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Larry said, no, that wasn't his style.

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Whatever he signed, he would take responsibility for, and he took the flak.

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In 2001, Pritchard spoke to the Harvard magazine and specifically laid out what had happened.

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Basically, the summation of his explanation is this.

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Summers had requested that he read over the World Bank's Global Economic Prospects report,

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which was largely about trade liberalization that year.

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He was then tasked with writing a memo to Summers, analyzing the arguments, which ended

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up being seven pages long.

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One of the points Pritchard found dubious was the World Bank's argument that free trade

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would naturally and specifically, like automatically, lead to environmental benefits in developing

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countries.

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Quote, he questioned the data supporting that claim and in criticism wrote as an ironic

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aside, suggestions that if in conventional economic terms, dumping pollutants on poor

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countries would be welfare enhancing for the world as a whole, the bank ought to endorse

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that policy.

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Right.

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The memo was then sent to Summers who scanned it and he signed off on it.

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Quote, thereafter, Pritchard says, someone with access to the memo doctored it, combined

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the heading and the sentences on pollution and toxic waste, shorn of their context and

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the intended irony.

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This one page form appearing to be a policy proposal, the memo then found its way into

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the pages of The Economist.

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The version of the memo that Alex has read is the doctored one page version, not the

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version that is the actual memo.

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All he knows is that there's a Wikipedia article about it and that's good enough for him.

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He has no idea.

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He's read the propaganda version of this from 1992 as opposed to the real version and he

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claims that he's a scholar.

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That sounds about right.

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Did they find out who doctored the memo or did that guy get away with it?

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I'm not entirely sure.

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The person who...

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Seth Rich.

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I knew it.

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It could have been.

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It could have been.

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I'm not entirely sure if they ever were able to trace that down because I think it got

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leaked to a journalist and it might have been done anonymously.

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So I think that's still an open question in terms of who did.

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Who done it?

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Who done it.

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But it's pretty easy to trace that it is bullshit, the whole story.

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So Alex, congratulations on starting 2013 very informatively because I didn't know about

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that and I got to learn a little bit.

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Yeah, there we go.

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It's year of information all over again.

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Most of the first was him talking about Dianne Feinstein and then continuing these, they're

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coming for your guns, civil war is coming narratives.

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And a bit of the second is that too, but there's a trend that goes throughout where if Alex

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has been doing some soul searching, it's in a weird direction and it's about his own celebrity.

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Because this next clip, Alex talks about how he's never tried to be in movies and then

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tells a story about auditioning to be in movies, which ends very weirdly.

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I've never even tried to be in movies, but have been offered a few times to be in some

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pretty big films by Tommy Pilotta and Richard Linklater.

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Point of order, Tommy Pilotta is Linklater's assistant director.

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So I was going to say, I do not know who Tommy Pilotta is.

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That's not two different directors.

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That's the same project reaching out to Alex.

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Gotcha.

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And so I didn't have that experience there, but then I got invited to go try out for some

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other movies.

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It's called Audition.

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And some of the people associated with the films didn't even know that I was already

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an established radio talk show host.

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Surprise.

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That is something you hear.

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What a dick.

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What a fucking dick.

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Isn't that awesome?

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Do you know who I am?

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I went to audition for movies and people didn't know that I had a radio show.

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I'm already an established star of screen and stage.

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So that's the sort of thing you'd expect from Alex.

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But what happens next, you would never expect.

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And already, you know, on, I think about 15 stations at the time, this had to be about

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2000, and I was still pretty skinny that looked a lot more attractive than I do now.

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And they point blank at one of these casting studios asked me if I wanted to be in porn.

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And I was like, are you kidding?

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Alex got the porno offer apparently back in 2000.

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Are you kidding me?

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I mean, what's the answer there?

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Because if the answer is no, then yes, I was kidding you.

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And if the answer is yes, oh, we can talk.

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I understand that Alex was a super attractive dude, like in his much younger years.

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I've seen like his broadcast from 9-11, let's say, you know, like from 2001.

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I don't know if he took like a real downward slope in a year's time, but I don't think

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he looked great in 2000.

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He looked like an average, maybe late 30s dude, even though he wasn't late 30s.

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Right, right, right.

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But that's what he looked like.

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He looked like someone's dad, basically.

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Well, after he lost out on the porn audition, he realized that it was just not gonna work

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for him and he just let himself go.

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I turned down the skin flicks.

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My boat had sailed.

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See, I don't think he did.

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I think he got rejected for one of the skin flicks and that took him down the path that

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we're on right now.

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It's entirely possible.

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I think so.

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Can you explain his weird anti-sex worker, anti-porn bias, because he was rejected from

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entrance into that world after the great star turns in Tommy Palata and Richard Linklater

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movies where he played Crazy Man with Bullhorn in two movies?

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Well, he would have been great at the Crazy Man with Bullhorn in the Pirates of the Caribbean

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porn remake.

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Sure.

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That would have been good for him.

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I don't want to judge him because like quite frankly, like nothing I've ever done in my

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career even matches being Crazy Guy with Bullhorn in a Linklater movie.

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And growing up, Waking Life was one of my favorite movies.

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So like the idea that Alex Jones is in Waking Life is pretty cool on some levels.

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Even if it is because Linklater liked him and gave him the part, it's still an achievement

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in some ways.

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I don't want to take that away from him, but that story is fucked up.

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That story is fucked up.

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What movie was he auditioning for?

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I want to know.

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That would have been around 2000, what, Titanic?

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I was thinking, No, that was 96.

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Good Morning Vietnam.

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Good Morning Vietnam.

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That was a little bit before.

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That was a little bit before his time.

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Do you think that he was supposed to play- I was thinking Harold and Maude.

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I was thinking the Bogosian role in Talk Radio.

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What other movies?

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Do they make a Frasier movie?

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Network?

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Was he on Network?

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No.

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That wasn't 2000.

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Yeah, I can't think of any other radio movies.

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In this conversation about, he was trying to audition for movies and they said you should

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do porn or something like that.

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He starts talking about the disgustingness of Hollywood and how evil it is and he gets

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caught up in it and starts lamenting the women who have been chewed up and spit out by the

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system of Hollywood.

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Oh, is he just going to be real chivalrous on this one, huh?

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This combined with gross.

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The fame, the garbage, it means nothing, but they control people with it.

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But getting back to the analogy of America like a young farm girl from Kansas.

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You don't have to get back to that analogy.

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Beautiful black hair, green eyes, just perfect complexion, perfect proportions.

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She goes to California because everybody told her she ought to be a movie star.

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She was so pretty, she was so smart and that's just what she should do.

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Five years later, she is the story of the black Dahlia and a $20 hooker that nobody

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even wants to have sex with.

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And then she's dead at the morgue.

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That was fast.

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That's happened tens of thousands of times in the last 50 years in Los Angeles alone.

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If she went out, had an economy, found a business, would have had children, would have had a

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life, would have been a grandmother, would have fully fulfilled her destiny of being

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a wholesome human.

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She could have been Mrs. America.

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I think Alex has been listening to Too Much Poison and maybe has just been listening to

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Mama's Fallen Angel a ton.

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Live fast, Mama's Fallen Angel.

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What is this?

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What are we doing here?

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Is he trying to write a Tom Waits song right now?

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What is happening?

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I mean, sure.

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You know, the show business is exploitative.

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You're not wrong.

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You're not wrong.

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You're on the vanguard of thought on that one.

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But this is weird.

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So he's trying to compare this girl who he's clearly describing as, there's connotations

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to it.

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You know, perfect complexion.

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That sort of thing.

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Right.

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As America.

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America has a perfect complexion, Dan.

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And then you get down the road to like, if only she hadn't have done that, she could

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have had an economy and found a man.

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Exactly.

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And that kind of thing is the good version, this could have gone whatever for that.

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But he's trying to compare that to America and like America is at the hands of this mafia

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that's doing that to America.

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And Hollywood is a part of it, but there's more.

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And so then he starts rambling a whole bunch.

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Right.

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So if America had settled down, we could have gotten married to Canada and become Mr. and

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Mrs. America?

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Canada is not a man, sir.

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Oh, well, I mean.

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They bowed to the queen.

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Well, then what else do we got?

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Are we staying in the Americas because we are going to because we're not going to change

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our last name?

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Long distance relationship.

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Well, we're going to marry France.

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Russia's single.

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Russia is single.

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But I'm not changing my last name.

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Yeah, that's that's problem.

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Russia is very traditional.

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Yeah.

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Mr. Russia and Mrs. America.

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Russia would never allow that.

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No, not at all.

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He would definitely keep us from voting.

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So the metaphor does fall apart a little bit.

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Upon closer analysis, but Alex is trying to make that argument and so he starts talking

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about how there are like I don't even really know how he gets into it, but he starts telling

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stories about how back when he was a kid outside of Dallas, you'd go to the poor black areas

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of town in order to buy beer.

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OK.

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I'm not really honestly sure how that relates to the larger theme of the conversation, but

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it has to do with like mafias making these areas of town bad.

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And like the police are in with the mafia.

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Yeah, I don't think he gets that far.

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Only is complaining about it in some way as to say, like, there were terrible things going

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on there, but I could go buy beer there.

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Oh, OK.

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And so he spends more time talking about how he got beer there.

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OK, so it's not like it's not like he is trying to say, see, I can go anywhere because I am

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not a horrible racist.

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I can go into the poor black neighborhoods saying he exploited the terrible situation

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that these neighborhoods were in, that they didn't card people for alcohol, that sort

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of thing, without realizing that he's talking about sort of exploiting the very situation

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he's claiming to lament.

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And it gets worse as this clip goes on where he talks about going to buy beer in these

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communities.

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But a hundred times or more, I jump in the back of the pickup truck with my older buddies

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and we drive into South Dallas, you can hear guns going off in the background quite a few

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times and people try to mug you and everything else just just just to get beer so we could

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have a party and get the cheerleaders over.

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It's like New York in the 80s.

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And we drive back to the rich neighborhood we lived in by the golf course and everybody

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get drunk.

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But the point is, is that that's just one one hundredth of the stuff that goes on out

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there.

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And corruption isn't cute, it's sick.

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I don't really, the problem that I have is he's not really dealing with even the scenario

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that he's painting.

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And he just got done talking about how Hollywood chews up and exploits these impressionable

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young women.

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And then he's talking about going to an impoverished community so he could buy beer to take it

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back to the rich place to lure cheerleaders to his house.

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So I don't understand exactly where the disconnect is there.

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Who does he think is the hero?

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Him!

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He thinks he's the hero!

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He thinks he's the hero in this story?

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Yes!

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But he's a fucking dick in this story!

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Totally!

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He does not realize that, right?

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No!

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No!

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He's like, OK, I am going to go to this neighborhood that is only existing because redlining is

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a policy.

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Right.

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Right.

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And they've been specifically put down there to the point where who gives a shit?

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Let's sell this kid liquor.

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I'm going to take that liquor back up to my rich fuck neighborhood.

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And I'm going to then try and sexually assault women.

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I mean, to some extent, what he's describing is like youthful shenanigans to a certain

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extent, although he's talking about it with like a very non-adult mindset.

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Yeah.

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You know, like that's the story you'd hear out of someone who is like maybe in college

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reminiscing about high school years as opposed to a guy who's been on the radio for 17 years

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is pushing 40 and has a family.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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You wouldn't talk like, I don't know.

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If you were 21 and it was your 21st birthday and you're talking and you're like, I remember

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when I was 15 and we used to do that, then it's like, eh, get out of here.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I had a huge beard when I was younger and so I bought booze underage all the time,

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but it was so I could get drunk.

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Right.

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It was.

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It was not to lure anyone?

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No.

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It wasn't to lure anyone anywhere?

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Dan?

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It wasn't in the cards.

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Just get drunk.

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Play a Prince of Persia.

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Not a good game to play when you're drunk.

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No.

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The little platformers are tough, wouldn't they?

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Yeah.

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Especially when you can manipulate time back and forth.

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So yeah, I don't know.

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It's weird.

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And in this next clip, Alex goes back to that metaphor that he was making about America

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being this young lady who's turned out by Hollywood and ends up as a prostitute.

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No one wants to have sex with and dies of heroin overdoses.

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Of course.

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If you thought that first telling of that allegory was gross, strap it in.

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This one's way grosser and it's more or less the same story decides to tell it again, but

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go harder.

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You've got to understand how this works.

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And America was like a beautiful supermodel that looked like Wonder Woman.

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Those countries and ships, we call them women, by the analogy fits.

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What?

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You know, you shouldn't have to announce why your analogy fits.

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In the back of a flat with bed bugs feeding on us and cigarette burns and cuts all over

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us and almost all the hair is falling out and she's got double black eyes and the pimp

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is running a needle up into her vein to give her an overdose and get rid of her.

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That's how they get rid of them.

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He's running.

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But see, we haven't quite gotten to that point.

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There's always a point where the hooker goes, I'm going back to Kansas.

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What?

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You know, she's six months into it, she's got diseases, she's had to have an abortion.

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She wants to get off the drugs.

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She wants to go home to mommy and daddy and he walks in and he knocks her teeth out.

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Is this your mom?

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She falls down, blood coming out, takes out a coat hanger and starts beating her and beating

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her.

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What for shit?

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Locks her up for a week in a closet.

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Don't, don't, don't cry.

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Just like Milwaukee, when the cops were there, Jeffrey Dahmer was authorized to do what he

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was doing.

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Nobody's coming to help you little kids and nobody's coming to help you lady.

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And they lock her up in there and half starve her to death and he comes back and says, I'll

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give you some food, but you don't you ever try to leave me again.

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And a year later she's dead, dead on a dirty mattress and that's what they're going to

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do to America.

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Just like they've done to Nigeria and Brazil.

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They're going to take us and they're going to squeeze us out and they're going to strangle

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America because they like it.

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This is, uh, he, that, that, that was his grandma Jones, wasn't it?

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That's her, that's her.

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She was soft killed with polio vaccine.

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That's just Alex having, like that clip tells you way more about Alex than it does about

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anything else.

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Yeah.

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That is a gross dude.

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Just he's getting into telling this story.

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You can hear like an excitement of the grossness and the dirtiness and he punches her in the

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teeth, knocks her teeth, puts her in the closet for a week.

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It's um, it's, that's troubling.

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That's a, that's a, that's a gross person.

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That's a dark fantasy.

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Yeah.

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And there's nothing wrong with having that dark fantasy.

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A lot of great writers have those dark fantasies and there is something wrong with the way

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he tells it.

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Yeah.

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Every part of the way he tells it makes me feel bad.

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Well then he's not using it for any like literary achievement or any goal other like he's using

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it to scare his listeners.

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That's it.

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He's using it to reinforce like this idea of what his perceived enemies are doing to

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the United States.

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So I mean it's manipulation, pure and simple, but it's manipulation by using gross buttons.

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Yeah.

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It's like really fucking gross.

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So as I was listening to this.

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Yeah, even the writers for Dragnet would be like, pull it back here.

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Come on man.

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Um, yeah.

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So I mean this is a weird, this is a weird place that he's in on this episode.

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It's a very, it's a departure from the rest of these days where he's not been real weird.

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Just kind of trying to make you scared about gun grabs.

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Yeah.

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Which is much more like, oh, this is a, this is a weird Alex day.

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This is strange.

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So he gets into talking about these, these shootings that are happening and he compares

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other like killers from the past, other serial killers.

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Of course.

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And then he comes...

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He's a big fan of Dahmer.

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He comes to the conclusion that there's one thing that combines all of them.

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Liberals?

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You notice all the mass shooters, Son of Sam, Ramirez, the Night Stalker.

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The Dog Walker.

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The last two shooters.

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New York with the Fireman, Lanza, if you believe that story.

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Angela Lansbury.

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All of them invented devil worshipers.

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All of them, devil worshipers.

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Devil worshipers are our problem.

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Our problem is devil worshipers.

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Devil worshipers, huh?

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He's going full satanic panic on this, man.

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It's very weird.

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He's grasping at straws in terms of like trying to figure out exactly what the narrative is

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about Sandy Hook, quite frankly.

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He's already said that he's certain it's a false flag and the government did it.

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All that stuff.

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But then in terms of this, he's still unclear how to explain Lanza's role in it.

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Because there's documentation of him existing before and there's plenty of information that's

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available that he can't just make disappear.

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So he has to still contextualize it somehow.

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And I guess the way he's choosing to, at least as of the beginning of January here, is...

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He's already laid the foundation of the psych meds and video games and stuff like that.

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Of course.

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And then he's pivoted to...

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Hollywood.

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Satan.

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Well, I think Hollywood is just...

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That's unrelated.

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Oh, okay.

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That's just general stuff.

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Right, right, right.

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But then in terms of Lanza, we got now Satan.

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It is Satan is the problem.

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That's not something...

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He knows it's 2013, right?

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Like the satanic panic ended a while back.

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Oh yeah.

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And it was bullshit.

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And it was all bullshit.

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But that's something that I don't like to hear on news shows.

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What?

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That it was Satan?

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It's all Satan.

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That it was Satan?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't even like to hear that.

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I don't even like to hear that on Dana Carvey SNL sketches.

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Church Lady?

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I remember Church Lady.

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Okay.

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I was just letting you...

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Alex talks a little bit about Barack Obama and we can see a little

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bit of a racial tinge to some of his comments.

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But I really only kept this in because at the end he says something that with the present

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context is real weird.

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Obama's a puppet too, but they want him to do it because the left loves it when he orders

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torture or wireless wiretapping or murdering people and, you know, US military invading

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all over Africa, every African country.

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I mean, they think that's really cool because he's part black.

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And I mean, it's just, it's cool.

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I mean, it's like, it's, I mean, he's, I mean, his dad was reportedly Kenyan or part Kenyan.

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I mean, it's, it's over.

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I mean, he could, he could poach the brains of small children and eat them for breakfast.

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It'd be beautiful because he, I mean, look, he's got melanin in his skin.

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I mean, it's like, it's okay.

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It's funny that he's talking about eating children, considering he will seriously make

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that argument a few years down the road, saying that it's a flippant aside 2012.

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But what he's describing, I think is actually a fair point, but very poorly said.

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And the other point that he's making is incorrect.

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The idea that Barack Obama can get away with these things because he's black is a deeply

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racist viewpoint for him to have.

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But what he is pointing to, or at least I think he's trying to point to, is the idea

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that probably a lot of middle of the road Democrats didn't do a good job of keeping

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Obama's feet to the fire and demanding more out of him than he was delivering.

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And I don't think that's a function of his ethnicity at all.

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I think it's a function of them being on the team.

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It is such a thing that he's pointing out, though.

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If we, in that time, you know, the right would say, oh, look at what Obama's doing.

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He's ordering drone strikes.

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He's doing all this stuff as a way to criticize him.

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And you guys love that.

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Liberals love it when he does that.

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And liberals love war now.

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And the ones who didn't were like, no, we're not against that.

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And then the centrist Democrats would be like, well, you're not being loyal.

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You're just doing all this shit.

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And it's like everybody who doesn't want that to happen is being shit on.

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And the people who say we do are the ones who are doing it.

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Like that's essentially like it's the neocon worldview of loyalty or dishonesty.

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Yeah, I think I think to an extent, I think that you just had you had a situation where

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people aren't good at being their own watchdogs to an extent.

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I think you see that to some extent with either party whenever they're in power.

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They don't do a good job of calling out the ill deeds of the person who's on their team

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when they're in the presidency.

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I think that's a natural phenomenon and it's something that's unfortunate.

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And there are forces within each side that do try to do that.

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But they're usually on the outskirts.

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They're not usually the people who are closest to the actual levers of power.

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So this sort of argument coming from the other side is always in bad faith.

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Because they understand to some extent we're going to do that once our guy is in.

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Right.

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And we have done that like when Bush was in office or whatever.

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It's the GOP calling Ilia Omar anti-Semitic like, all right guys, you know who you are.

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I agree.

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So in this next clip, we get a guest.

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And this guest is something that really opened an area of exploration on this episode that

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I'm only getting a little bit into on this episode.

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But I think it opens up a vista of understanding Alex in a different way.

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And I think that's fairly surprising.

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Because if you're not paying attention, this guest would be super fucking boring.

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This person would be not even a blip on your radar.

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But you look into him a little bit.

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You scratch the surface and he becomes...

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Dick Cheney.

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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He becomes an introduction into some really fucked up worlds that Alex is connected to

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in ways that we might not have realized before.

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Here is...

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Captain Mark Richards.

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No.

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I wish.

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Here's his introduction.

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The evidence is they staged Sandy Hook.

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I want to go to Bob Fletcher.

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Wait, what?

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We had him coming on today.

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We had a lot of breaking news.

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I wanted to get him on because he was a congressional whistle blower, an advisor on TV and things

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during the Iran-Contra affair.

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Okay.

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I don't know if I want to know which way this is going to land.

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So Bob Fletcher is just one more in a long line of Alex Jones' guests who claims that

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they were deeply mixed up in the Iran-Contra affair.

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It's kind of like how every comic you've ever met has that story about that one gig they

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almost got that would have changed the course of their career.

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It's sort of universal.

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Every comic has that story.

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I don't have that story.

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Every...

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I bet you do.

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I really don't.

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I bet you do.

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No.

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No gig I've ever done.

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Let's get six drinks in you.

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No gig I've ever done would have changed my career, let alone ones I haven't done.

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Or some job or something.

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There's always...

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Every comic has some sort of like, if I'd gotten on that festival or I could have opened

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up for that guy, I was this close.

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Nope.

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I have never been close.

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Fine.

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I can honestly say...

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You're the exception that proves the rule.

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I am as far away from having been successful as ever.

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I've had a fucking thousand of those conversations with them.

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Some of them, me saying it.

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Fair.

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If only I'd done that.

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Well, you've had a couple.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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But it's the same thing with Alex.

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All of his guests have that story about like, I was mixed up in a round contra.

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The weird part is that a number of them aren't making things up entirely.

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Even if they're embellishing a little bit to make a hero story for themselves.

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They're not like making it up out of whole cloth.

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Like Larry Nichols can lie about the extent he was involved, but he was definitely making

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collect calls on behalf of the contras.

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Yeah.

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He absolutely was doing that.

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So he was involved in some way.

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He was lying about the hard rice, but he was telling the truth about the soft rice.

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He could have been like intern level, but he was involved.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's that sort of thing.

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For sure.

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So Bob Fletcher ran a toy company in Atlanta in the late 80s.

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In 1985, a guy named Gary Best came into his operation and offered to buy the company and

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pay Bob to stay on running the place.

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Bob claims that gradually it became clear to him that Gary and a bunch of generals were

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selling weapons out of his former toy company, and after the Iran-Contra hearings began,

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he recognized some of the people who were testifying as people who worked with Gary

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Best.

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Was he fucking played by Robin Williams?

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What is this?

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No, it was LL Cool J. Bob reached out to investigators looking into the Iran-Contra scandal and they

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interviewed him or their offices interviewed them and deemed that his evidence was not

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worth pursuing.

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Oh.

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Nothing that Bob has claimed about his run in with the Iran-Contra business has ever

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been established.

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It's true.

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None of his connections that he claims to have made between people is substantiated

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by anything other than his word.

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Neither he nor Gary Best got in any trouble about Iran-Contra, and conveniently, Bob claims

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that all the records that the government has about his toy company have been classified

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as top secret, so not even he can get a hold of them.

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No one can.

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The president could.

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Trump could.

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Yeah.

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We need to get to the bottom of this.

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In the world of propaganda, it's always good to establish a villain.

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As Bob has done with Gary Best.

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Because you could repurpose them later when you need them.

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Like Bob did when he accused Gary of having a hand in the Oklahoma City bombing.

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But we'll get to that later.

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That's a leap.

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We'll get to that.

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Okay.

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After Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence E. Walsh deemed Bob not worth his time, Bob

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decided that the Iran-Contra hearings were a charade and decided to head out to the woods

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in Montana.

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But again-

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Wait.

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Hold on.

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No.

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Those two things don't-

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We'll get to that in a little bit.

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Iran-Contra.

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Iran-Contra.

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It's a charade!

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To Montana we go!

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We'll get to that in a minute.

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All right.

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For now, all you need to know is that since 2014, Bob Fletcher has rebranded as a Planet

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X Nabooru truther.

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Oh boy!

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And has made frequent appearances on Coast to Coast AM to discuss how this rogue planet

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is heading our way and how the elites are building underground cities to stay safe from

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its return.

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I'm liking his career path.

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I'm not gonna lie to you.

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His website includes a section of photographic evidence of various claims.

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It includes a picture of a ton of gold bars with a caption, quote, in all caps, all the

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gold is gone from Fort Knox.

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The rest of the pictures are-

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That's it?

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Yep.

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Okay.

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That's photographic-

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There's more to the text.

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Does he have it?

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No.

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Is he taking a home picture?

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Is this a selfie that he stole the gold?

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It's just a bunch of picture of bars of gold.

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It could be fucking stock photos.

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That'd be a super villain move if I ever saw one.

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The rest of the pictures are clearly photoshopped shots of space purporting to prove that Nabooru

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is coming and it's way bigger than the Earth.

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The last picture he has posted suggests- he suggests that it's a picture of a real life

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wormhole but it's just the moon with spirals drawn coming out of it towards the Earth.

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Okay.

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It's-

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It was in Kran, right?

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It's unsettling.

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He's at, like, using video game footage as reality level.

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Oh, any page level?

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Yeah, any page level.

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Yeah, I think it's a little better than that.

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It's at least decently done art like MS Paint or whatever.

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Okay, okay.

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So that's this guy's career but that's not nearly all he's been into.

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And in this next clip, we get to hear a little bit from Bob and he gives his own bio.

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So Alex gave him that bio.

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Bob wants you to know something else about him.

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First off, some miscellaneous random notes that I made for myself for this morning's

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program just hit right on the head exactly what you've been saying.

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I mean, it looks like you've been looking at my notes, it's kind of like, well, I don't

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have to do anything because Alex has already covered it.

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I mean, verbatim, almost word for word, and I'm making this assumption.

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I realized that I myself was one of the primary people in creating what was the militia patriot

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movement and certainly not taking all the credit because there was a lot of people involved.

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But people need to know that you know what you're talking about.

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So Bob Fletcher, his bio that he wants Alex and his audience to know is that he personally

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is one of the bigger parts of starting the militia patriot movement.

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So Bob makes that claim on this episode and it's not true, but it's scary how close it

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is to the actual truth.

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I'm looking at you meaningfully.

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If you went to the forest in Montana, you have to start a militia just to survive out

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there, I assume, right?

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That was kind of part of the tease.

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So Fletcher was an early member and leader within the militia of Montana, one of the

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first militia groups to form in the aftermath of the Waco standoff in 1993.

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Previous to their formation in response to the Ruby Ridge standoff, John Trockman, the

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actual guy who started the militia of Montana, attended a meeting at a YMCA in Estes Park,

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Colorado that would go on to be known as the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous, a conference where

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the modern militia movement was born.

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160 self-described Christian men who were all very white met to discuss their discomfort

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about how the federal government was behaving, particularly as it related to Randy Weaver,

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the central figure of Ruby Ridge.

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Before this point, a lot of the things that we've come to experience as being deeply interconnected,

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like white supremacist groups or tax protester groups or Christian identity groups or just

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vaguely but intensely anti-government groups were not generally working together.

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Extremists existed in those categories previously, they're often unwilling to collaborate in

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any meaningful way.

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This 1992 meeting in Colorado was an attempt to solve that problem.

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Good.

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Mm-hmm.

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I...

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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I don't want that.

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Pretty scary.

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I don't want that at all.

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The meeting was organized by extremist preacher Pete Peters, whose ministry largely...

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Goddammit, Pete Peters!

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His ministry largely centered on his argument that homosexuals should be put to death, as

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he laid out in a booklet he wrote called Death Penalty for Homosexuals.

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I'm sorry, was Whitey McWhiterson taken?

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Pete Peters.

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Yeah.

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Rock rocks.

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That'd be great.

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Petra?

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Latin?

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Yeah.

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Representatives of the Klan, Christian identity, the group posse comitatus, not the idea, and

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the Aryan nations were all present.

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A literal murderer's row!

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Yep.

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This was a meeting that is literally something out of a comic book, a gathering of villains

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who don't really even like each other meeting to discuss how to work against their common

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enemy, the federal government.

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We need to take down the government.

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We also need to destroy the Spider-Man!

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Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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Let's get your one under consideration.

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We're going to have to table that.

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Yeah, we're going to put that on.

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Robert's Rules of Orders, Mr. Goblin, or whatever.

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What grew out of that meeting was a strategy that now, 27 years later, we can see was probably

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pretty effective.

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From Stephen Atkins' book, The Encyclopedia of Right-Wing Extremism in Modern American

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History, quote, those in attendance at the Rocky Mountain rendezvous agreed, however,

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that in order for the idea of armed civilian militias to work, the racist and anti-Semitic

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rhetoric often voiced by some of the groups represented there needed to be toned down.

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The people drawn to these armed civilian militias would be mostly white, middle-class individuals

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who were not necessarily racist or anti-Semitic, but rather anxious and uncertain about the

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economy and their future.

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As it turns out, some excuses for bigotry never stopped being effective.

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They were...

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They're economic anxiety, Dan.

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No, totally.

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They're not racist or anti-Semitic.

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Totally.

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They're economic anxiety.

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Totally.

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Absolutely.

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Oh, of course not.

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So when you look at groups like the Aryan Nations and the Klan and Christian Identity

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who are all meeting up to try and find ways to get better recruitment, they realize that

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they have to brand as being about economic anxiety as opposed to the actual racist shit

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that they were actually about.

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So all that is to say is history doesn't repeat.

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Guys, hey, guys, everybody around here.

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We know how we feel about the not whites of all kinds and a lot of the whites too.

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But we can't say it.

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We can't do it.

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Well, it would hurt...

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You want to.

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It would hurt our recruitment.

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Klan members, I'm looking at you.

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Would you rather...

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Take those hoods off.

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Would you rather be successful or overt?

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What would you rather be?

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I think a lot of them probably overt.

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I believe in my principles.

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So the meeting was a strategy-forming brainstorm as well as a white supremacist corporate retreat

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where presentations were given about how vaccines were an evil government plan, how it was Christian

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to resist the government, and how the situation the patriots found themselves in was a direct

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analog to the American Revolution.

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That is such a banality of evil moment where it's like...

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PowerPoints.

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Yeah, they were at a fucking holiday in conference room and they're like, we're doing breakout

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sessions and we're all going to brainstorm about ways to increase our white sales.

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Jesus.

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All of the ideas discussed at this meeting that was literally crawling with some of the

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probably worst of the worst in terms of white terrorism would be completely at home on any

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of Alex's shows from any point in his career.

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All of these ideas are very close to Alex's milieu.

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In attendance at this 1992 meeting was Louis Beam, then a representative of the Aryan Nations.

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You may recall that Beam was the guy who came up with the concept or popularized the concept

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of the leaderless resistance, which Alex talked about being a part of in the mid-90s.

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We have the force, we have the capacity, we have the will, and we will not surrender.

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We are the ones engaged in the force multiplication, special ops.

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We're the ones galvanizing organizations.

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We're the ones with leaderless resistance.

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We're the ones conducting a counter-terrorism sting operation against you, Bill Clinton,

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you traitor, you globalist agent, and you, Governor Bush, from your CIA Brown and Harriman

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brother banker oil family.

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We got your numbers and we're galvanized and we are moving forward and I'm only the messenger

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and you be fully aware of you back down now or you're going to pay.

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All right, can I get some stage directions?

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I'd like to thank our sponsors.

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Good times.

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Keep that in for humor.

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Eleven years prior to that 1992 meeting, Louis Beam was sued by the SPLC and forced to disband

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his 2,500 member Texas emergency reserve militia, which he was training to, quote, reclaim this

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country for white people.

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These people are very explicit about what they were about until 1992 when they had this

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meeting and decided to rebrand a little bit.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Oh, funny story.

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You know who else was at that Rocky Mountain rendezvous?

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Larry Pratt, head of gun owners for America, someone who Alex had on his show as a guest

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twice in the week after Sandy Hook.

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Pratt is said to have been the strongest proponent of the strategy moving forward being the formation

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of, quote, unorganized militias, which followed Beam's leaderless resistance ideology, thus

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making them almost impossible to infiltrate.

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Larry Pratt was one of 160 people who were at this Rocky Mountain rendezvous where all

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of these, the representatives from the Klan, Aryan nations, other neo-Nazi groups, Christian

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identity, tax protester extremists all came together to strategize along with Louis Beam.

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It's insane to me.

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This is a real, very serious problem.

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It really bums me out because if that was the plot of a warrior style road movie where,

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you know, you've got a small group of non-white nationalist, small gang, right, they go to

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this meeting, they realize what's going on almost immediately.

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Everybody locks the doors.

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So now they've got to fight their way out through each different gang.

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The Klan is all wearing white hoods, the Aryan brotherhood or whatever it is they wear.

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What do they wear?

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Patches?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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And then you've got...

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No, they sing that Clarence Carter song, Patches.

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Right, right, right.

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And then you've got...

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My dad was a big old man.

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You've got your anti-tax protesters holding up a sign that says the three people voted

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on the Fed.

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Right.

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So they had to find their way through the Holiday Inn Express that they were staying

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at.

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That'd be a great movie.

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I can't find a complete list of that 160, but I bet there's some other names in there

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that we would be very familiar with.

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Henry David Thoreau.

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Wayne Paul.

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Wayne Newton.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they had to have some entertainment.

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So I...

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Now that was the gig that if I had gotten...

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That could have changed your career.

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It could have changed...

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Well, who definitely wouldn't?

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You'd be dead.

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As I mentioned earlier, a man named John Trockman was also in attendance at the rendezvous.

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He would go on to start the Militia of Montana in January of 1994, or at least that's when

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it officially formed, but almost certainly existed previously underground.

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Though they did occasionally take up arms and storm a courthouse, as they did in March

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1995, most of the Militia of Montana's work was on the information warfare side of things.

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They were less paramilitary in nature and more of a mail-order militia.

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Quote, they were like the publisher's clearinghouse for militia groups to get videos on how to

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start your own militia.

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To quote Darryl Johnson, the author of that DHS report about the right-wing terrorism

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and how he was warning about that back in 2009, that report that got suppressed after

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organized backlash from people like Alex Jones, which isn't a coincidence.

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You know what that reminds me so much of?

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Hmm.

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ISIS.

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I mean, it puts things into perspective a little bit.

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The idea that Alex is so vociferously defending these patriot militia types, when you realize

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a lot of the people he's actually involved with are the people who were the ones who

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started this.

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It's not a benign starting of it.

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Oh, no.

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That meeting was chock-a-block with racists, anti-Semites, and very dangerous people.

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I think Alex might be in way deeper in a lot of this stuff than... Well, I don't know

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by present day, but at least at this point in his career and earlier, I think he might

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have been way fucking deeper.

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Yeah.

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Who's the head of that mercenary group?

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Eric Prince.

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Blackwater?

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Eric Prince?

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That sounds like something that he masturbates to.

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If he wasn't at that meeting, every night he dreams of being there.

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It's something that Alex cries about not being there.

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Yeah, that's probably true.

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It's like his dream come true, to be in this room, this rarefied air with these people

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who are standing up against the federal government, could have considered himself actually a founding

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father of his dumb bullshit.

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With all the greats of white nationalist history.

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The militia of Montana, like I said, it was more of a mail order situation where they

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had the information side of things down.

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Make no mistake, the militia of Montana was an out-and-out hate group.

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The materials they distributed included a ton of white supremacist publications, work

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by Holocaust deniers, and plentiful articles referring to Judaism as the quote synagogue

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of Satan.

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Trockmann was a committed member of the Aryan nation before starting the militia, but tried

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to downplay that part of his life, most likely as a part of the message that came out of

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the Rocky Mountain rendezvous.

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In order to win people over to our side, we have to pretend we're not racists and Nazis.

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In an interesting turn of events, Trockmann was kicked out of the militia of Montana sometime

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after 2006.

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His brother kicked him out because he had cheated on his wife, which led Trockmann to

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start a new organization called the Coalition for Men's Rights, which is basically a support

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group for men who had restraining orders against them for abusing their wives.

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Wait, so he was kicked out of the group for cheating on his own wife?

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On his own wife.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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That was a moral issue within the leadership of the militia of Montana.

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All right, because I was like, whoa, that dude fucked his brother's wife.

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That's a whole thing.

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No, no.

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I can understand how-

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That's a story.

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I didn't hear that from the pronoun reference, but it was his own wife.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah, so he started this Coalition for Men's Rights.

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Man, white men are great.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you also see very similar tracks of where the hustle goes at different points.

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Then his son started this organization called Gamergate.

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Like fucking Jesus Christ, you guys are awful.

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The Montana militia used shortwave radio and early message boards on the internet to rally

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the masses and let them know about the noble fight.

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The Patriots were waging against their oppressive federal government.

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From an April 1995 article in The Guardian, quote, in speech after speech, they issued

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dire warnings of the coming threat.

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Citing the Brady Bill, which obliges Americans to wait five days before purchasing a gun

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and the 1994 ban on limited number of assault weapons, the leaders urged their audience

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to read the writing on the wall.

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Quote, gun control is only for one thing, they say, people control.

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According to the militia, it's all part of a wider and undeniable trend.

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The government is now at war with the people.

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Whether it be excessive taxes, expanding regulation, or planned national identity cards, Washington

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is constructing the apparatus of dictatorship.

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Alex Jones may as well have written those speeches.

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That is his worldview.

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Yeah, that's nuts.

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One million percent.

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That's nuts.

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So what happened, Jordan?

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The short answer is that Timothy McVeigh happened.

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They won?

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Timothy McVeigh happened.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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McVeigh's actions completely derailed the militia community in no small part because

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he was an embodiment of exactly what they had preached needed to happen.

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But as soon as he actually existed, all the militia heads started making excuses and blaming

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everyone else.

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The head of the Michigan militia tried to concoct a conspiracy blaming the Japanese

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as retaliation for the...

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Pearl Harbor.

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No.

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Oh, no.

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Another terrorist attack, the gassing of the subway.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We talked about that cult did.

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That conspiracy theory was deemed so ridiculous that he was forced out of his own group.

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He was kicked out of the Michigan militia because he was perpetuating those dumb ideas.

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You gotta be real dumb to be kicked out of a dumb organization like that.

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Somewhat, but it also is indicative of the level of identity crisis that Timothy McVeigh

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had introduced into this world, this militia world.

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The real face of what right-wing extremism was about had been revealed.

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Although the attendees of Rocky Mountain Rendezvous tried so hard to conceal it, and thus recruitment

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went on the decline, but of course, the ones who did come around after that point were

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substantially more radical than the recruits had been previously.

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Because they're the ones who thought that McVeigh was...

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That these guys were betraying their ideals, and the ones that stuck around are the ones

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who were like, yeah, McVeigh was absolutely right on.

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So of course we're not going anywhere.

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Yeah.

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Or they're the ones who internalized the idea that it's all fake to McVeigh was fake.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this is the point where I'm getting a little bit, maybe I'm drawing connections that might

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be a little bit of a leap, but I don't think they are.

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I'm not entirely sure, but I'll let you be the judge.

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This is a woefully simplistic and cliff's notes version of the story, but when you look

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at the players, you look at the motivations, you look at the connections, I find it hard

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not to come away with one very strong conclusion.

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In the early 90s, the militia of Montana and the Michigan militia existed in a symbiotic

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state.

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The Montana group got the message out and radicalized people through media, like shortwave

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radio and what have you.

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The Michigan group gave them formal training.

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Alex Jones is clearly at least a spiritual extension of the militia of Montana, as he

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is a media mouthpiece that spreads the narrative, disseminates propaganda, and radicalizes people

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towards the harder stuff, towards that paramilitary group that will give them the training that

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they need to become dangerous.

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So who's the Michigan militia in this equation?

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The guy who started the toy shop?

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No, no.

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But the question is a little bit more complicated than just saying like, it's this guy or whatever.

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Though the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous happened in 1992, it was before the election that year,

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the militias did not officially begin their organization until mid 1993 into early 1994

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after the election of Bill Clinton, the first Democrat president since 1981.

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If you take Carter out of the equation, Clinton was the first Democratic president since LBJ

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and the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

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The rise of militias was as much about preemptively fighting against any further expansion of

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human rights to non-white citizens as it was about anything else.

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But they were too hard and they were too fast and they overplayed their hand with Timothy

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McVeigh, whether or not it's like they intentionally sent him out to do that.

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I'm not making that argument.

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I'm saying spiritually, they went too fast.

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After the bombing of the Murrah Building, the government was forced to pay attention

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to militia activity and it hurt their ability to do much more than produce propaganda.

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The Montana militia living on through Alex kept the embers burning until the time was

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right.

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In 2008, Barack Obama was elected and in the same way that the militias organized and met

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up to plan their strategies in Estes Park back in 1992, in early 2009, 30 far-right

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weirdos planned a summit on Jekyll Island in Georgia to plan their next moves and their

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struggle against the government.

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A Democrat had been elected and thus the time was right again to form their militaristic

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ranks.

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I don't think that there's a coincidence in there.

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I really don't.

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Because I think what you have with these groups is when there's a Republican in office, they

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know that whatever they care about isn't gonna be infringed upon and the window of discourse

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becomes so much closer to what they're into that why not just engage in the civil process?

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Or at least back at this point, like back when Bush was in office, why not try and run

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for office or why not try and deal with this through legislation as opposed to we have

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a sympathetic ear.

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We know when Barack Obama's president, we don't have a sympathetic ear, so we're gonna

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have to use guns.

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The Jekyll Island meeting was organized by Alex Jones' frequent guest Bob Schultz of

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the We the People Foundation.

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It was co-organized by another of Alex's guests, Edwin Vieira.

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Another person who was there was Eric Cunningham, a representative of the Oath Keepers, the

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group in which Alex finally found the Michigan militia to his militia of Montana.

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The Jekyll Island meeting involved planning how to radicalize town hall meetings that

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were being held around the country.

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Tea parties were beginning to happen and a perfect opportunity for recruitment was right

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there on the table, something that Alex and his Oath Keeper buddy Stuart Rhodes have openly

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discussed on the show in the past.

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The meeting also involved learning from the lessons of the past.

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Timothy McVeigh screwed things up for the militias for a long time and forced them into

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a position where they had to construct elaborate conspiracy theories to pretend his attack

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wasn't exactly what they wanted to happen.

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But the problems of McVeigh also provided them with an unexpected benefit.

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Because they'd spent years insisting the OKC bombing was a conspiracy, they'd created a

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built-in defense for any future events that could derail their movement.

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When one of their members would inevitably take their anti-government message seriously,

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they had a built-in excuse to say that it's the globalists trying to make us look bad.

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I think that's where we find ourselves in 2012.

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And some of this, I think it explains a good bit of Alex's operation, to a certain extent,

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and how deeply entrenched he is in a lot of this militia history and seeing himself as

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a part of it.

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But I also think that he's such a complete crazy that, like, it obviously doesn't explain

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everything.

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Like, he has so many different places that he's pulling these negative influences from.

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But I think that this is a huge one.

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And I think on some level it goes back to even the beginning of his career.

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Is it possible that these organizations that we're talking about, you know, we theorized

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and all that stuff about some kind of dark money coming into his operation, is it possible

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that these organizations are the ones that kind of help prop him up?

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It seems unlikely.

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I think probably they maybe provided a support network early on.

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Like people who were of those communities probably looked to Alex as another voice in

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the media of their side.

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So I think that there's probably material support in that way.

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But like, Alex only got on the air in like, what, 95 or so?

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And by that point, like when OKC happened, a lot of these two big ones especially, the

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Montana militia and the Michigan militia, both lost a lot of their clout.

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Like they did not have-

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Oh, I didn't mean then.

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Oh.

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I mean like as time has gone on.

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No.

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Like, you know, after 2009, after the Oath Keepers start coming in together, like this

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is starting to be a group that can, you know, throw around money sometimes.

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I don't think they could at the point where they started to get involved with Alex.

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Yeah.

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I don't think so.

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No.

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Right.

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But later on.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Stuart was on the first time like in April of 2009 and he, like we've talked

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about already, he had like a blog spot page for the Oath Keepers.

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He didn't even have like a normal website URL.

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So like, I don't think that there's any, I don't know, I don't know.

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This is the part of it that I think is pure for Alex.

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The parts that I think, like, I think whatever nefarious influence there could be, I don't

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think it has anything to do with this.

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I think that this is closest to where Alex Hart really lies in some ways, if that makes

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sense.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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When you peel away the layers upon layers of onions, he's like the guy who wants to

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dress up and play act as a soldier, but only against non-white people.

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And a hundred percent is surrounded by fascists, surrounded by bigots, Nazi adjacent people,

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and does his damnedest to make sure that you pretend that they're not those things in order

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to keep the appearances up so you can get more people in.

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Right.

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I think that's probably one of the biggest pieces of this.

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I don't know.

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There's a lot more here and I think we're only just now starting to get into some of

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the glimpses of Alex's militia leanings.

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And one of the reasons for that is I think it's probably a huge piece of his show in

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the era that we don't have archives of.

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Yeah.

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I think if we went back to the 90s, I mean, we have just a small glimpse of stuff from

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the 90s.

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And in that glimpse is him literally saying, we are the ones with a leaderless resistance

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in the mid 90s.

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So like the idea that I have, my working theory is a lot of those episodes that we can't find

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would probably be very deeply soaked in malicious stuff and completely, like a lot of those

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guests even like from that world were probably fixtures of his show back then.

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And now it's not so much.

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He's grown and evolved.

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And now we have in the wake of Sandy Hook, you have, I mean, not that he wasn't a guest

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at other points, but you have Larry Pratt on twice in the week after Sandy Hook.

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One of the guys who was at the fucking Rocky Mountain Rendezvous.

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In the same week, he has Stuart Rhodes on twice.

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The Oath Keepers guy who is more or less, whether you like it or not, essentially an

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equivalent to the Michigan militia.

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Because if you really look at it, I mean, what do you have?

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You have a bunch of people from the Oath Keepers who maybe it's not what the organization is

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about.

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It's like I can come up off the top of my head with at least five people who tried to

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plan terrorist attacks who were a part of the Oath Keepers.

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And then you had Timothy McVeigh and Nichols both at least attended meetings of the Michigan

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militia.

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There are parallels that are very important and very real.

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There are real parallels between them.

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So you have these guests-

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History rhymes.

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Right.

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So you have these guests who are gun supporting weirdos, but there's also more to it than

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that.

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And now we have on January 2nd, as Alex has pivoted away from it being about Sandy Hook,

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and now it's about the exact same ideas that these militias were putting out in the 90s.

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This idea that the government's coming to take your guns and there's going to be a civil

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war.

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This is very much what the militias were saying after Ruby Ridge.

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So of course, what does he do?

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He has one of the fucking main guys from the Montana militia on his show and doesn't bring

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up that he was one of the leaders of the militia of Montana.

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He says that he was a whistleblower about Iran Contra, when none of that is substantiated

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in any way.

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But what is, is in the aftermath of Oklahoma City, Bob Fletcher, this guy who Alex has

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on his show, you know what his comment was?

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There's a 10th planet, Nabooru.

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No, that was years later.

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That was years later.

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He said, get ready for more bombs.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Cool.

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Cool, cool, cool, cool.

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So I think that Alex is showing his cards a little bit too much and maybe I'm making

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a mountain out of a molehill and I, it's not a molehill, but it might not be a mountain,

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might be a hill mountain situation.

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But if you look at this, I don't see any way to escape the fact that the influences of

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Alex are all present in the early parts of the militia movement in the early nineties

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that was inescapably bigoted.

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It was, and a lot of his influences are there, the things and the messages that they had

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whitewashed and put out into the world are very consistently repeated in Alex's world.

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And then guests who are from that world, like that literal meaning, and then from the things

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that grew out of that meeting, all, they're all there.

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And it's, it's, it's, it's a leaderless resistance in some ways.

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Yep.

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And Alex, cause you can't 100% tie them to each other, but we need those tapes, man.

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We need to find those old episodes.

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Yeah.

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I think there's a treasure trove of like things he doesn't want people to know.

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Oh, I bet.

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Those tapes.

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Oh, we got to find those, especially the time he told the story about the first time he

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did porn.

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Right.

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Right.

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I was at this, I was at this audition and the guy was like, I could get a job.

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Yeah.

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So I, I I'll call myself out a tiny bit for, uh, my analysis in terms of like Alex being,

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uh, cause I think it is kind of overly simplistic to be like the militia of Montana and Michigan

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operated as like one was informational and one was paramilitary because there were other

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militias around too, but those were two very prominent ones.

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I just look at it as if you have, uh, if you want a successful operation, you need to have

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those two things be separate from each other yet working together.

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You know, you have to have the same goal of the people who are being trained in, uh, military

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tactics and the people who are putting out the propaganda.

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You need to be on the same page, but you cannot be related.

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You can't be the same thing because let's say one of these guys goes and shoots up something.

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And you jeopardize your propaganda outlet.

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You know, you have to keep them separated in some way.

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And I think, I think you just, I think you see a mirror of it and Alex.

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Yeah, I, I agree with you.

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There are very, very clear parallels like, yeah, you know, history doesn't repeat it

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rhymes like this is this explosion of white nationalist militias and uh, fucking murderers

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and all of that shit.

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It, it wouldn't be as, um, often, I don't think I could be wrong, but it would, we wouldn't

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see as much consistent violence if there weren't some sort of concerted ideology that ties

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all of these people together.

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And we wouldn't, and we would be able to do more if they had actual physical connections

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to each other.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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I mean, if the organizations that were doing the, um, you know, I don't know, let's say

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when one of the oath keepers, that guy was found with like a napalm bomb in his, uh,

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in his garage.

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You know, when that happened, like who has it, right.

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But when that happened, what an essential piece of how things keep moving forward is

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Alex gets on air and says that this is a false flag and the government's trying to set him

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up or something like that.

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Or when the Mayak report comes out, that sort of thing is a real threat to the militia people

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on the ground.

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It's not really a big threat to Alex in his operation or anything like that.

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It's a big threat to them.

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So they need Alex to not be connected to them so he can lead some sort of a charge to get

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that redacted, recanted.

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Right.

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Of course.

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So, which is why it's effective, even though there should be consequences for one hand

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washes the other, as they say, that sort of thing.

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So that's troubling.

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Not great.

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A little bit later in the episode, they start taking some calls and Alex gets a call from

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a guy who I'm going to say, if I hear this, if I'm listening to this guy, I think he's,

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uh, I don't know how much he's like literally telling the truth, but he's scary and he confronts

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Alex about something.

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Let's talk to Joe.

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I was that girl from the air police.

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What's your take on this?

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Are you getting that training?

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Uh, Alex privilege.

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Uh, yes.

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Uh, I just wanted to let you know that I've been speaking with you for over, uh, listening

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to your program for over two years now, and nobody has ever called in to tell you what

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I'm going to tell you right now.

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There are secret sleep sleeper cells all over the country that are ready and willing to

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take charge of the situation.

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And I'm not talking about kicking people's doors in all right.

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Let's be clear about this.

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He's talking about a terrorist cells that he and his buddies are involved in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now also take control of the situation, but I'm not talking about kicking doors in.

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He's talking about killing people.

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I either that or, uh, organizing Macy's style parades.

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That's not what he's talking about.

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That's not what he's talking about.

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No, but also notice Alex hasn't cut him off.

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This is the sort of thing.

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He is totally fine hearing until the call turns.

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The people that I hang out with are all ex military.

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I spent 20 years in the Navy and I know that I swore an oath to the constitution.

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And the only thing that bothers me, sir, about you is that you were never in the military.

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So you never swore an oath to the constitution.

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And I have my doubts about you being a DOD plant.

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And I want you right now to your worldwide audience to tell everybody that you are for

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real because you offer, you talk a lot, but you don't really offer any solutions.

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And I'm an action person about solutions.

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I understand you're, you're, you're God and John Wayne and I'm nobody I'm on air 17 years,

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you know, just nothing but delivering the goods over and over again.

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Uh, and, but, but, but I'm nobody and have no track record.

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You, we don't know who you are at a prank caller earlier.

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Now you're calling in saying their sleeper cells.

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Look, I appreciate your call.

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So he moves on and he doesn't do a pledge to the constitution.

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So from this guy's standpoint, he is a DOD plant.

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Oh boy.

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So the other thing too is that Alex at the end there is like, you're just calling in

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and saying that your police, we don't know who you are.

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More than two at least callers previous to this have said that they're police and said

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things that Alex likes, the things he wants to hear.

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So he automatically believed them.

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He's only questioning this guy in any way because he is questioning Alex.

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This is how you play the game with him.

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You say what he wants you to say and everything goes fine.

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You get out of pocket and he will actually respond to whatever you're saying like a normal

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human being might, which is, I don't know who the fuck you are.

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Yeah.

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I have one issue with that guy's thought process though.

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Um, if he were a DOD plant, I believe he would have had to swear an oath to the constitution

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to work for the defense department.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Maybe.

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I'm pretty sure that no matter which side that guy has landed on, he would have had

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to swear.

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The only way he didn't swear an oath to the constitution is if he's fine.

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That's it.

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I'm not sure exactly how it goes.

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I'm sure in his private moments, Alex squares to the constitution all the time, usually

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when he's coming.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's got a little bit of a wrench in the gears.

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Uh, and Alex spins his wheels quite a bit, uh, trying to deal with the fact that one

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of his callers has called him out and he forgot to hit the dump button.

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All right.

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I Alex Jones, I'm the worst person on earth.

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Okay.

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I'm not, but just whatever fantasy you got.

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Okay.

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It's true.

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All right.

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Now can we move on now?

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Okay.

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You're a bigger man.

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You're a better man.

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I'm a bad man.

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You're a good man.

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Now ignore all that.

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Now I'm bad.

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You're good.

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Let's move on against the globalist.

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They're the fight.

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They're coming down on us.

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Now's the time.

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110%.

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That's sad.

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It didn't hit it.

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It was.

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It didn't hit him personally at all.

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Uh, he doesn't care.

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Uh, he's, Oh, sure, sure.

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You're whoever.

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You're John Wayne.

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I'm nobody.

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Let's just move on.

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I'm totally fine.

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Totally not offended by this at all.

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You can't hurt my feelings.

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I've been on the radio for 17 years.

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I have a track record.

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I get things done.

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What solutions have I not proposed?

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Have you not seen me propose?

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Also there's a weird thing too going on where, um, like Alex's response is like, okay, you're

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good.

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I'm bad.

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Now let's move on.

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Like it wasn't saying you're bad now.

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It wasn't even, it was a conditional sort of judgment even like the idea of like, you

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didn't serve the army.

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So I have some questions about you.

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Can you guarantee to me that you defend the constitution?

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Yeah.

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It was almost an initiation kind of thing where he's like, Hey man, I love you and I

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support you.

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All you need to do is swear an oath right now and we're all on your team.

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You've got our, you've got our whole sleeper cell network ready to go.

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And I understand people's reluctance to do things like that when people confront you.

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Like I watched that Jacob wall documentary and the whole thing is him and Laura Loomer

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going around with an affidavit that they want Alon Omar to sign saying that she didn't marry

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her brother.

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Right.

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Oh, okay.

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But that's a bad faith.

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Yeah.

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That's a, that's a trap.

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These people are trying to set some sort of a trap that like whether you sign it or not,

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they're going to make a big deal out of whatever you do.

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The only way to lose is to engage.

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Right.

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That's not what this guy was doing.

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If Alex had said, sir, I understand I haven't served in the armed forces.

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I wish I would have.

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I could go back.

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I do it.

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I do it over and over again.

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I had a bum leg, whatever, whatever.

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Excuse me.

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And he's like, and I assure you, I have done everything in my life to uphold the constitution

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that I hold.

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So very dear.

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Like if he had done that guy would have been like, excellent, now say where you want us

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to hit maybe, but also give us a target, but then Alex could deal with that and gracefully

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get off the line or whatever.

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Like I would assume that this guy would say, we salute you.

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We're on your side or something like that.

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Everyone listening.

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We're not going to be bummed out to hear Alex salute the constitution again.

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So like there's no downside to it.

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It's not a trap.

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There's no trap here, but Alex is so defensive and weird that because this guy is critiquing

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the possibility that he isn't the Patriot hero that he presents himself as, he's got

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to respond in kind.

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I kind of get fucked up about it.

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I don't think it's that.

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I think it's that the guy questioned Alex's manhood and Alex's mind.

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Like the way, the way that this guy presented it is I've been, I was in the military for

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20 years.

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I was in the Navy for 20 years.

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All of the guys that I hang out with were ex military.

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We all swore notes to the constitution sleeper cells and you, and that's where Alex was like,

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fuck you.

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You think you're great?

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Maybe you're so fucking cool cause you're in a fucking sleeper.

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There may be some masculinity piece to it.

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Oh, I think there's a huge masculine.

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I think it's more, I think it's more about love of the constitution.

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Do you think it's about love of the constitution?

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He just loves it too much or not enough?

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There might be, yeah, I think he thinks he loves it too much.

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Much like Lenny and the mice.

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That metaphor is pretty appropriate.

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I think that maybe there's a subconscious sliver that's about that masculinity issue,

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but I think it comes down to more like a loyalty to the country and how dare anyone impugn

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and to be fair to this guy, whatever answer Alex could have given him is something he

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said on air a million times before like swearing an oath to the constitution by 2012 he's done

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that a thousand times on air.

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He does nothing but talk about how much he loves the fucking constitution, but he didn't

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do it to that guy's face.

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That's true.

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And that's where that guy needs it.

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I need you to look me in the phone and tell me that you love the constitution.

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Alex get on FaceTime, FaceTime me bro.

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Yeah.

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Hello.

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I swear to the constitution.

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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex says something that kind of is the sort of thing that makes

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people like that last caller who is in a terrorist cell, uh, waiting to be activated somewhere

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in America.

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Think that Alex isn't on the up and up.

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Believe me.

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I know I have a, uh, let's just say great uncle.

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It's really a great cousin, but anyways, the whole story is he was an army officer and,

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and, and all he's told us was he said, yeah, you know, I did all this stuff in covert operations.

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So then they bring me in, they go, well, here's your graduation in the CIA and it was dealing

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drugs and killing people in Chicago.

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And he said, I'm not, well, I'm not going to, he didn't tell us much more.

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The point is, is that the thing is then I know other people who have done, I mean, it's,

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this is like, it's not like a big deal to work for CIA.

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It's like working for UPS except they're running around killing people.

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I mean, it's a giant operation.

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I mean, that's a big difference, uh, yeah.

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That's one substantial difference.

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I mean, you know, not to split hairs.

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From knowing a lot of the criticisms that are thrown around about Alex in these communities

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online, these message boards, one of the issues that they have is that he constantly talks

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about having family and intelligence and stuff like that.

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He constantly talks about family being in CIA and shit like that and vaguely referencing

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a thing.

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Like he talks about his dad being a CIA dentist and all this shit like that's the sort of

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stuff that makes these paranoid real militia types, uh, like the people who are the descendants

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of the Michigan militia, let's say they are suspicious of people like that who have familial

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ties to the intelligence organizations that they see as part of the enemy, part of what's

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trying to infiltrate them.

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So when Alex gets on air and he's like, I have a great uncle, I mean great cousin who,

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uh, was in covert ops and then the CIA told him to kill people and deal drugs in Chicago

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and he didn't do it.

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And I know tons of other people think if the CIA told him to go deal drugs and kill people

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in Chicago and he said, no, he's dead.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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There's no way you're walking away from, uh, Hey, we want you to be disruptive and murder.

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A bunch of people, uh, just sign here.

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Oh, you don't want to sign?

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Well, have you ever done porn?

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Uh, I don't, look, it's, that's what, that's what's being expressed by that caller.

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And it's really funny that only a little bit later in the show, Alex manifests exactly

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why the hardest core folk don't trust him.

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Right.

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Cause he's not trustworthy.

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No, I wouldn't trust him.

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I wouldn't trust him even if I was, even if I was his best friend.

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If you were operating in a splinter cell or you imagined that you were dead, I wouldn't

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trust you either.

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No.

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If you're in any kind of cell, there's a problem here.

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Don't trust anybody.

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No.

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Yeah.

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High state.

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Um, so this next group is the last one from this episode.

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Uh, and it's a Alex saying what needs to be done about the globalists.

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Oh, so he is proposing.

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And what's incredible, Bob, is they now are going to fully gut the country and bring it

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all down and rob us like a third world nation, bobflesherinvestigations.com.

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Amazing.

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Look forward to having you back on very soon.

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They are trying to move on us right now, but if we get the word out like Bob did, we can

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back them off again.

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We can back them off again.

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That's how Alex ends the show.

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If we get the word out, we can win this again.

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That's not what they did in the nineties.

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They didn't get the word out in the nineties.

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What Bob Fletcher was involved in was not getting the word out.

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You could make a decent argument that the militia of Montana was less violently oriented

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than some of the others, and that's probably why Alex would have Bob Fletcher on as opposed

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to someone from the Michigan militia or something like that.

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I could understand his more, uh, more comfort with someone who wears that uniform as opposed

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to someone who wears the other one, but make no mistake about it, all of it grew out of

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the Rocky Mountain rendezvous that was lousy with Nazis, Aryans, white supremacists and

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people who, uh, wanted to blow up federal buildings, quite frankly, like, so when Alex

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says what we need to do is what Bob did in the past, that's not cool.

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I was struggling to find a better way to put it.

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There you go.

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I think we made fun of Alex for doing that one, but what was it like saying the globalist

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super uncool, super uncool.

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Bob Fletcher is super uncool.

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Super uncool.

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Yeah.

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But you see here, this is what Alex is suggesting now that we have like a, this caller has confronted

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him and said that he doesn't have solutions.

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He has a solution and that solution is do what Bob did back in the nineties.

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If you do do what Bob did in the nineties, going to end up with Oklahoma cities, you're

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going to end up with Timothy McVeigh types.

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If we, if you're going to end up with a national guardsman caught with a shit ton of fucking

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guns ready to start killing, you're going to end up with a, you're going to end up with

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a guy from the oath keepers of the napalm bomb.

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You're going to end up with all of this stuff.

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You're going to that are showing up at CNN's office.

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Sure.

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Bunch of globalists getting bombs in the mail, but it's all false flags.

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It's all false flags.

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Don't worry about it.

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No big deal.

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I just see like, um, I, I want to call myself out a tiny bit and I think that there is so

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much more to learn about this, this world, and I think it would be probably impossible

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for us to at any point do an episode where we fully captured the, uh, the militia movement

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in the nineties and how it relates to Alex and the consequences thereof and the parallels

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between 2009 and 1993, like those sorts of things.

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It would be something that would be a doctorate level, uh, dissertation.

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No, that's, that's a, that's a Lord of the rings trilogy level of, uh, information there.

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Right.

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But I think some of these things are important to introduce to the conversation in the same

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way that we did that episode about bill Cooper, uh, without, you know, fully diving into introducing

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that into our, our world, uh, that we were able to discuss with bill Cooper in with this

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movement.

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He would have been old enough to be right.

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Yeah.

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Because, uh, he was a part of the Arizona militia.

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Um, you know, we take a toe dip because it's what Alex brought into the conversation.

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He has Bob Fletcher on.

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I don't, I don't like when I hear that name, I don't immediately think like, Oh, I know

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this guy who was second banana in the militia of Montana.

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I don't have that encyclopedic knowledge.

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So Alex says that he's involved in Iran Contra.

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I start looking into that, Oh, two minutes later he says, I started the militia movement

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that's like, well, now I have to look into this.

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You start going down these paths and these are the things that you start to find.

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These parallels start to become clear.

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You start to think you start to learn, you know, a little bit more, I already knew about

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a bit about the Montana militia, but you start to be like, Oh wait, that was started by this

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guy who was there at this 1992 Estes park summit.

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Who else was there?

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Oh shit.

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Larry Pratt was there.

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Isn't that weird?

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There's so much, there's just so much.

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What did he have?

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Sure, we heard a little bit of it, but why did he specifically have Bob Fletcher on?

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Talk about how they're going to take the guns.

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Right.

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I mean, it's all just the same shit.

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Right.

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So it's very easy to miss.

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Well, that's what I'm saying.

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It suggests to me that Alex purposefully gave him the intro of somebody who is involved

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with Iran Contra as opposed to giving the man's full credits, which include incitement

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to violence and all kinds of, because I think it would be super suspicious.

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It would be super suspicious.

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So Alex himself was probably like, dude, don't bring up that fucking shit.

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Don't give me your actual intro.

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I mean, you saw even in that clip, he talks over him when he's like, I am one of the people

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who started them.

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Yeah, you did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You did.

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Yep.

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You're huge.

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Important.

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Move on.

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Move on.

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Don't tell anybody.

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So in and of itself is strange because generally he would want to be associated with this person

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who's part of militia royalty, which indicates in some ways that he would want to be associated

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in some way that there's a discomfort with where he stands, not like in the hierarchy

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of the world, but like in terms of where the narrative's at in the beginning of 2013.

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Yeah.

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Like, I don't know if he wants people to realize that like a lot of these people that he's

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talking to are who they are or they're such like the extremists.

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Well I mean, it's Montana militia style.

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It's only a fucking year and a half or so after this that he starts talking about Nabooru

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stuff.

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He starts talking about Fletcher.

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Fletcher really jumps the Nabooru shark that quick?

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2014 is when he started making appearances on Coast to Coast.

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That is strange.

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That is a strange turn for the guy to start the modern militia movement and lead to the

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deaths of how many people at this point?

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At least a few.

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To then just be like, you know what, I think I reached the top of my profession.

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I think I'm going to start talking about the 10th Planet.

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Is Michael Jordan playing baseball still?

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Like that's the level of career change we're talking here.

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I think you get to a certain point when you're kind of a con person and you're just like,

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well, this con has run dry.

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There's nothing left in this well, let's try this one.

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It's the same thing that all of these people do, like Cernovich being a pickup artist and

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then getting into Gamergate and then jumping on the Trump train and then pretending he's

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jumping off it.

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Same thing with Mark Dice being a memory scam salesman, then a pickup artist, he wrote a

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book about it, then started getting into the there's Satanists everywhere racket.

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Wrote a book under the pseudonym John Connor that went popular online, then revealed himself

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as Mark Dice and started going on Alex's show, then tried to do comedy.

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Like it's all like these people are all over the place.

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There's no discreet anchor.

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And I can relate to that on some level, but just without the con.

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Hey, you're telling me.

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Without the con intentions.

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Like I did stand up for a long time and then I stopped and I'm doing this.

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Like I understand pivoting, like there's nothing, there's nothing inherently wrong in pivoting.

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I didn't mean it.

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It's just when all, no, I know, but when you're, all of your pivots are scams, that's when

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it's a problem.

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Yeah, I think that's, I think that's kind of a endemic to their psychopathic mind, psychopathic

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narcissistic mind view of like, why the fuck couldn't I just do this?

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You know?

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It's fucking great.

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Like it's something that you do kind of wish you could tap into from time to time with

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these guys where they're like, yeah, I'm just going to write a book about being a pickup

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artist now with no research, no nothing, no history.

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I'm not going to do any fucking work at all.

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I'm just going to say a bunch of dumb shit because I know I'm the smartest human being

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on the planet.

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Yeah.

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Like that's something you wish you could tap into when it's when you need it.

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It's an unbridled level of confidence that is there.

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Right.

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And there's another little piece to it too, and that is that I need to do much more research

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into this to make this claim like very solidly.

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But it does appear that the militia of Montana was like, you know, they were a mail order

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kind of operation where they were selling these DVDs and informational things.

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Right.

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There is an argument that you could make that Alex is spiritually in that lineage too in

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terms of trying to monetize the militia world.

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Yeah.

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And there's like a scam aspect to the Montana militia that didn't exist as strongly in some

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of those other more militaristically based militias.

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Right.

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Like how the Klan was an MLM, like that whole thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's a lineage there too that lives on.

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I don't know.

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My head is full of thoughts and I'm excited to see if any of this pops up going down the

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road here in the beginning of January or how Alex tries to navigate this really treacherous

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water that he finds himself in in early 2013.

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That is one thing that you have to do when you're in treacherous water.

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You got to give it up to the Somali pirates because they know how to get through it.

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They're good at the wheel.

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You got to give it to them.

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So I don't know.

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We'll see.

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But also I need to find those old episodes.

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I know they're out there somewhere and I'll just put the call out if anybody has any idea

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of how to get your hands on real old Alex Jones episodes.

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Well, they're in all the goddamn splinter cells.

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That's the problem.

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Yeah, I know.

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Those places where those people wouldn't talk to us.

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They're not listening.

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No, I don't think so.

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Yeah.

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But if anybody has a line on anything.

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If that, I swear to God, if the last Blockbuster standing has all those tapes, we're road tripping

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right now.

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Well, I contacted Alex's old...

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Blockbuster?

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No, his old radio stations and like the Austin public access channel.

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Yeah.

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And they don't even really know.

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Some of them said like, I think there's gotta be copies somewhere, but we don't have access

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to them or anything.

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Fuck, motherfuckers.

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Gotta find them.

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They don't have access to them?

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CIA.

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So no, like someone who worked there probably has copies, but yeah, it was that sort of

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thing.

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Who knows?

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Fuck.

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So anyway, I need those.

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I need them.

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If you have them, let me know.

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But until we come back with another episode, and again, sorry, this is a little bit short

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in terms of our...

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I was really hoping we'd have a nice really long episode.

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Four hour episode, yeah.

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Because I have a little bit of my pressures alleviated, I think I found an apartment.

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So like it was a bad week of stress throughout and you lost your job.

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So like neither of us were doing good in terms of life stress, but your situation is pivoted

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into a maybe more stressful, but different scenario.

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And I may have found an apartment.

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So I was really hoping we could come together and really, really sit down for a good five

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hour nonsense.

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But it just...

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We'll get there.

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Yeah, we'll get there.

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We had to get our sea legs back.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We're no smelly pirates.

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It's been a rough week.

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Yeah.

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Our ability to traverse treacherous waters is coming to a close, hopefully.

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Yeah.

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So thanks for sticking along for the ride along the way and we'll be back next week.

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Absolutely.

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In the meantime...

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We have a website.

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We have a website?

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Is it knowledgefight.com?

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That's correct.

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That sounds good.

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Yep.

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Do we have a Twitter?

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We do.

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It's knowledge underscore fight.

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Do we have a Facebook?

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We do.

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We do.

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You're brilliant.

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Now with over a thousand walks.

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What?

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Yeah.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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Thank you to everybody.

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iTunes, download, listen, review, et cetera.

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All that good stuff.

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Patreon.

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All the good fun stuff.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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But for now, I guess if we look at this, I would say...

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Boy, we did not have any winners on this episode.

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I disagree.

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I think there's one and his name is Let Pritchard.

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The guy who wrote the Larry Summers memo that was taken out of context.

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Fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Let Pritchard, I'm certain, has never killed anybody, but one guy technically probably

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has, and that is a gentleman by the name of Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.