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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Yup.

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Dan!

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Hi Jordan.

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When was the last time you were really, really sick?

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Like, we're talking, have you ever been hospitalized for sickness?

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Nah, not for a sickness.

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Not for a sickness?

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Maybe, I've gotten...

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Like what kind of infections are we dealing with?

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I've had like mono and strep throat and that's like knocked me out a bit.

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I don't know, I don't really get sick all that often.

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Is strep throat, I've never had strep throat or mono, is that like supposed to be really bad?

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It can be, it can be pretty bad.

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I mean you just get really bad fevers and you just have to ride it out, you know, get antibiotics and stuff like that and whatever.

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I don't know, I've not really, I don't get sick all that often and when I do it's usually just like on par with like a hangover.

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Really?

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Yeah, like hangovers are the things that have been like the worst in my life.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I don't know, it was weird. I guess I got chicken pox when I was really young.

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I remember that being kind of bad.

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Yeah, I broke my arm, went to a hospital, that's about it, really.

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I'm gonna be honest with you, I have never been prescribed antibiotics of any kind in my entire life. Isn't that crazy?

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That is kind of weird now, isn't it?

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That is very weird.

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Yeah, never happened.

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Well, not weird in a bad way or anything.

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No, no, no, it's great.

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But I've never been, like I've never had like a disease, disease.

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I guess I've stayed overnight in hospitals for like sleep studies and stuff like that.

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Like I had a really bad insomnia thing going for a bit in my life.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, other than that.

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Good stuff.

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Didn't lead to a great story.

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Nope.

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Sorry.

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Hey.

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But you know, it is great.

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Nice.

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Thanks.

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I'd like to say some great things about some of our new donors.

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I really appreciate it also very much and in honor of that, I'd like to say thank you so much.

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To Jonathan, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Jonathan.

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Thank you very much, Jonathan.

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Also, I'd like to say thank you to Atropos Twitch, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much.

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Atropos.

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Kevin, you are now a policy wonk and thank you so much.

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I worded that weirdly.

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That was weirdly worded.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Kevin.

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Thank you very much.

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You know what's not weird?

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What's that?

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How grateful I am to Kevin.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's what you're getting in my game.

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That's what I'm doing.

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Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who's donated on a little bit of an elevated level.

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Ooh.

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And we appreciate that oh so very much.

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So, Emmy, you are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, Emmy.

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Thank you so much, Emmy.

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You know, Emmy.

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The reason I overpronounced it is because it's E-M-M-E.

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So, it might actually be M.

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It could be M.

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And if it is, I apologize.

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Ah.

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First of all, for mispronouncing it.

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And then overpronouncing it, pronouncing the mispronunciation.

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Meh.

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Sorry.

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Well, I just appreciate a good palindrome.

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Emmy.

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Yeah.

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Abel was I.

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A or I saw Elba.

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Palindrome.

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Don't look at me like that.

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A man playing a canal Panama.

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I only talk about one Elba and that is Idris.

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Racecar.

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My.

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These are all palindromes, man.

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What else you got?

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I think Abel was I, air I saw Elba.

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That was going to be.

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It's very top out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's going to be your one.

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One zero zero one.

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That's a good palindrome.

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That's a good palindrome.

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If you would like to support the show and what we do, you can do that by going to our

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website knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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Yes.

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Jordan, we got a fun episode to get into today and I think.

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Do we?

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You're very excited.

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It's fitting that this will be the last episode of the year on Knowledge Fight, which brings

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us to basically our second anniversary.

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Like at the beginning of January will be two years officially doing this.

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And so before we get into the episode, I wanted to take a moment and I've been thinking about

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it, what my favorite thing on the show was.

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Like I'd considered like maybe for our New Year's Eve episode, which we're doing right

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now, maybe we do a clip show.

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Oh, what are we?

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Cheers?

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We're not doing a clip show.

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But that's what I started to think about.

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It was like, first of all, is that gauche?

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Second of all, what is that?

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We are a clip show.

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Right.

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Do we do the top 10 clips of Alex Jones?

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But then we've already talked about those clips.

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It feels false.

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And then like, okay, what about the top 10 moments on our show?

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Like you and me sitting here listening to ourselves.

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No, no, no.

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Fuck that.

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No.

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That's awful.

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But I started to reflect on it.

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I was taking a bath the other day and I was laying there.

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I was thinking about like, what was, what sticks out in my head as the best thing that

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we've uncovered on this show in 2018?

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And I think, I mean, there's crimes.

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Certainly on our last episode, we had a real fucked up announcement.

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The tragic story of Nank.

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Sure.

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But I think that might have also been in 2017.

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Yes, it was.

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We learned that Alex Jones probably killed a guy, which is-

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Oh, definitely.

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Big stuff for us.

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Definitely probably technically killed a guy.

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I wanted to actually have you come in with your favorite thing and I have my favorite

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thing, but I forgot to tell you.

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And so I'm just going to give mine.

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And if you, if something comes up in your head, certainly by all means, I will say that

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the top thing for me is Alex Jones's interview with Bill Ayers.

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That I re-watched that interview and nothing can top that.

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Yeah, that was great.

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At one point, I forgot about this.

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And Bill Ayers asks him where he found some declassified information and Alex is like,

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history channel.

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I forgot about that.

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That's right.

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Oh shit.

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It's the most absurd thing ever.

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And I think that gets my title for best thing in 2018 on our show.

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This is probably recency bias because of my complete lack of any kind of memory, but man,

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it's tough to beat a good bite of the apple in a fat filled, life's very fragile.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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That's solid.

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Those are strong.

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No, they weren't.

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They were very close together though.

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They were back to back episodes, but yeah, those are real strong.

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But the reason that I'm going to say, I respect your choice, but I'm staying with mine is

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that I wasn't trying to convince you.

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I understand that there will be nothing that is named the best.

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We just each have our best.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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I love your choice for best.

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The reason my choice is better.

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I'm just kidding.

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Ooh, Facebook group poll.

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It's that in that interview, Alex really demonstrates how he can't hang in an interview with someone

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who he's been lying about for years.

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For sure.

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He has the guy there.

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It's his chance to pin him down and he can't do it because all of the information that

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he's been saying about this guy for years is all lies.

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Yeah.

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He just fully demonstrates that Alex is full of shit and he can't handle it.

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Like he flounders and it's super embarrassing.

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I think that this actually unintentionally has some relevance to some of the stuff we're

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going to be going over today because it's another instance of Alex feet to the fire.

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He's interviewing Noam Chomsky?

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No, but it's another instance of him just not being able to hang.

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Alex Jones, you have put yourself in the position of the guy.

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You are Jordan.

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Not you.

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Michael Jordan.

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Michael Jordan.

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You're the guy who they pass the ball to when there's three seconds left and you're down

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two.

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Right, right, right.

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He passed the ball to Steve Kerr though.

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Right.

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There is that.

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But that's still a good choice.

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Still a good choice.

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Steve Kerr is the Bill Ayers of the Bulls, I believe.

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Everybody calls him that.

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Koo coach.

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Yeah, but Alex presents himself that way but then over and over again we see these examples

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of it's like the buzzer is coming down.

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The game is about to end.

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You're interviewing Bill Ayers.

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The guy you said is a domestic terrorist and you can prove it and you just get embarrassed

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by it.

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I think today we see another instance of the clock is winding down.

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Alex feet to the fire, back to the wall, shits the bed.

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I'm very excited about that.

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Okay.

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Today we're going to be going over April 5th and 6th, 2009.

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Okay.

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And it's just, there's a lot going on.

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Okay, okay.

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But we will start with an out of context drop from today's episode.

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I would ask listeners to check out every claim we're going to make for yourself because the

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biggest problem we do have going for us is that most of the stuff I see on the internet

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is speculation or rumors.

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And on my site.

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I love that.

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What I would like you guys to do who are listening to this show is my job.

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I would like you to investigate.

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I want you to call these sources.

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I want you to back them up.

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I want you to find secondary sources and I want you to get quotes on the record.

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I, however, am going to report on speculation on the internet.

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I mean, he's trying to present it as like, I have done all this research.

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And so you guys don't take my word for it.

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Like I'm some sort of Lavar Burton out here.

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Uh, but is that, is that right?

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Is that what he said?

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That is what he said on Reading Rainbow.

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Holy shit.

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I just got so scared.

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No, no, no.

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I panicked as well.

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I was like, where is that?

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Is that Reading Rainbow?

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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That's what he said on Reading Rainbow.

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Is that Georgie LaForge's catchphrase?

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This is a real chumbawumba all over again.

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Oh boy.

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We're in trouble here.

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Um, so yeah, but he's trying to present the idea of like, I've done the research, but

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everything else on the internet, there's so much stuff out there that's ranked speculation

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and all this nonsense.

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So don't just believe me cause I'm saying it.

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Right.

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I will say, unfortunately, Alex, I have done just that.

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And that is what this podcast is.

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And you don't come out looking good.

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And in this episode you come out looking particularly bad.

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Now we're all excited.

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Yeah.

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So here's the first clip.

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This is from April 5th and that's a Sunday show.

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What has happened in the world is there's been some bad stuff that just happened.

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There have been some murders and Alex has to cover these murders because they kind of

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involve him.

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There have been a lot of horrible mass shootings, people killing their whole families, some

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spoiled, rotten, cowardly lunatic, because he couldn't learn to speak English fast enough,

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went into the place where people were supposedly teaching him English and killed 13 people.

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Supposedly teaching him English.

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Including himself.

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And then there was another one yesterday in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania where this Richard

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Andrew Polaski, 20 something year old, 22 year old man waited for three police to come

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to his mommy's house where he lived.

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It's always these guys that live with mommy.

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I mean, I don't know what the deal is with them, but the point is that he shot two of

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the cops as his mother waved them into the house to throw him out.

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And then he waited for more to come and shot three more killing another one of them.

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And the mainstream media has certainly enjoyed tying me into this.

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Let me tell you, Raw Story, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and others, because his friends

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and family say that he learned, he was also in the Marines, by the way, he learned of

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a plan to put troops on the streets and for gun confiscation.

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Oh no.

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And I'm attacked by the newspaper saying that doesn't exist.

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When all I did was read the Army Times and by the way, in separate news.

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He goes off on another.

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Yeah, I'm surprised he goes off on another tangent.

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Kind of said his piece on that one, which is no, no, no, no, no.

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Not me.

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Moving on.

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So the shooting Alex is talking about here revolves around Richard Poplawski, a 22 year

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old guy who killed three cops before he was taken alive.

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Coincidence, huh?

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Wait, I assume the color of his skin had nothing to do with that.

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I see no reason to believe that was the case.

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Was he a white person?

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Yes.

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In the aftermath of the shooting, a lot of blogs and media outlets started to have a

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discussion about what motivated Richard.

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Sure, he was mad at his mom for telling him that he had to get rid of his dog because

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the dog had been peeing on the carpet and what have you.

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They're always mad at women.

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Yep.

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They're always.

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He started to get domestically violent.

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They always have domestic violence.

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Let's say she calls the police about this.

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Good call.

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The police come, he starts killing cops.

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That is what the event was that precipitated the shooting, but his motivations went much

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deeper.

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Richard's friend Edward Perkovic said that he was obsessed with the idea that Obama was

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coming to take everyone's guns, a large theme of a documentary released by Alex Jones a

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month before the shooting.

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Coincidence, no doubt.

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Odd.

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Richard was a frequent poster on both Alex's site and Stormfront, where he once posted

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quote, the federal government mainstream media and banking system in these United States

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are strongly under the influence of, if not completely controlled by, Zionist interests.

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I hear Jews coming.

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An economic collapse of the financial system is inevitable, bringing with it some degree

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of political unrest, if not outright, balkanization of the continental United States civil revolutionary

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racial war.

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This collapse is largely engineered by the elite Jewish powers that be in order to make

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for a power and asset grab.

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Summer of rage.

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Take the words Jew and Zionist out of there.

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You got Alex to a fucking T. And you all know Alex is saying that under his fucking breath.

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Yep.

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Whether or not that's actually the argument that Alex believes is irrelevant.

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Sure.

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It's the tropes that he's using are entirely based.

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It's a Pez dispenser.

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Yes.

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He clearly believed all the things that Alex put into the world, but Alex doesn't want

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to talk too much about this case, really.

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He just wants to deflect attention and be like, that's not me.

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That's not me.

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Because Richard was motivated by everything that Alex put into the world, but there's

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a little wrinkle.

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Five days before he committed his murders, Richard also posted this on the Info Wars

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forums.

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Quote, for being such players in the end game, too many info warriors are surprisingly unfamiliar

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with the Zionists.

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So, he was someone who clearly believed everything Alex was saying, but felt he wasn't hard enough

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on the Jews.

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This is a conversation Alex doesn't want to have, because it very clearly illustrates

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how, at least on some level, his sight serves as a conduit towards people getting the message

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of Nazis.

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Yeah.

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So, you have this murder, and it's very unfortunate.

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There's no reason it had to go that way.

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Man, it sure seems like the first time he starts talking about these shootings, I was

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like, God, that's awful.

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I should remember that.

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And I don't, because which shooting is it?

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And it's crazy, because three cops were murdered, and you don't remember this.

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You don't remember it.

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Now, granted, it was 10 years ago, so it's a little bit like...

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Right.

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But there's still, that should be a big moment in a country.

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That should be a big moment for the 300 million people in our country.

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And what you're expressing is something that I feel so much when I go back and listen to

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these 2009 episodes, because we don't even talk about it all the times necessarily that

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something that should be a national tragedy happens.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's wild, yeah.

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Everybody should know about that, but it's like, oh, so was that one of the ones in the

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schools, or was that one of the ones outside of the schools?

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Because there's been hundreds of both.

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It goes to show that sort of feeling that everyone likes to blame on Trump, like this

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idea of desensitization of all these horrible things.

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Right, normalization of...

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You can't remember that last week X happened.

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Yeah.

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It's something that has been pervasive in our society for longer than Trump.

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Oh, hell yeah.

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That sort of thing is sort of a human, maybe even self-defense mechanism to some extent.

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What else is us joking about?

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You have to feel the pain of all of these things, you can't function.

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It's unimaginable.

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Yeah.

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So Alex wants to talk a little bit more about this, and I think he's going to blame Obama?

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That sounds right.

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Wrong story, and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette have decided to attack me in association with

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the fatal shooting of three police officers.

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It's just ridiculous.

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They also attacked Glenn Beck, because we are delusional and say that Obama wants to

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confiscate guns.

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You are delusional.

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And then this half-baked crazy kills some cops, so there you go, it's my fault.

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No, it's Barack Obama's fault.

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That sounds right.

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We'll get back to that in a second.

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I think that this also illustrates how Alex is incapable, or I think it's more unwilling,

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of dealing with horrible things that people who happen to be white do.

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Yeah.

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Because he thinks he's being hard on him by saying, like, he lives with his mommy, this

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guy's pathetic.

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He's crazy, he's a whack job.

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That sort of thing.

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But that, in essence, is...

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Minimizing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Look, hold, hey, hey, when this illegal immigrant kills these people, or when these three young

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Muslim girls walk into the pool supply store, you know they're up to no good, you know that

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they're animals.

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This white guy, he lived, oh, he was pathetic, he lived with his mommy.

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Pathetic.

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Oh, you just want to act out.

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He was in the Marines, they taught him how to kill, Obama made him scared.

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It is probably Obama's fault for coming to get his guns.

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I assume that's what happened, right?

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I mean, that's a big angle that Alex is going to take, but it's all a load of shit.

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For introducing bills to effectively ban all semi-automatic handguns and rifles, and to

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psychologically test all Americans to own guns, and to have an attorney general who

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lobbied last year...

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So, real quick, he's going to talk about Eric Holder having, like, he lobbied before the

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Supreme Court.

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I'm just going to end this, because he just rambles about that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He didn't.

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Holder didn't argue in front of the Supreme Court, but in 2008, DC v. Heller, he did sign

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an amicus brief with a bunch of people who were making the argument that the Second Amendment

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doesn't necessarily protect an individual's right to own firearms outside of a well-regulated

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militia.

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That is an argument that people make about the interpretation of the Second Amendment.

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Right, a correct argument.

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He signed an amicus brief with a bunch of people.

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It wasn't like he went to the Supreme Court and was like, I do say, Mr. Supreme Court

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Justice, take their guns.

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But that's the image Alex wants to present.

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Mr. Holder goes to SCOTUS.

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Right, and that's not the case at all.

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Now, earlier right there, you heard Alex say that Obama is trying to push for people to

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have psychological testing for guns.

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And only because I think this is a very...

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Super fine with that, too.

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This is a very important point.

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Here is Alex from his interview that he did with Patrick Bette David in 2018 saying what

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he thinks is, you know, good gun control.

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So let me flip that on you.

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Do you believe in background checks with guns?

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I believe in the Second Amendment.

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I think criminals are going to get guns regardless.

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But I do think with mental health, other issues, as long as this has become draconian, I think

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a background check is probably good.

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So a background check that does maybe if you're on prescription right now, you're taking Prozac,

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whatever it is, some of the medication lists that we have that is either for bipolar or

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whatever, you know, things that we just talked about, those folks can't get a gun.

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You're OK with that?

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Ivan Lamictal.

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So here's the thing, 30 percent of women are on those drugs, about 15 percent of men.

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And that doesn't sound right.

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A lot of people don't act like maniacs when they're on it.

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But I say this, before you restrict my right, people that are on those drugs, when the insert

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says it can make you be a killer, they should be looked at.

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I think if somebody has been diagnosed as psychotic and is on those drugs, there should

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be a database and you shouldn't be able to have a firearm.

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By Alex's own definition of what Obama did, Alex Jones is a gun grabber.

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He's saying that you can't have psychological testing for it in the past when Obama was

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pushing for it.

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Of course.

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In an interview, he says if you're on psychiatric medication, there should be a list.

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If you've been diagnosed as this, there should be a list and you shouldn't have a gun.

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2009, Alex Jones would have been screaming about that if the person saying it was black.

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Not if 2009, Alex Jones had 2009 Trump in the office.

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Then we're going to be fine with psychological background checks.

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I just wanted to illustrate that because I think you need to cut through a lot of the

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bullshit, especially in this instance, because what Alex Jones is doing is perpetuating the

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exact kind of fear that made this guy end up shooting three cups.

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He's going on air and blaming Obama while perpetuating the same behavior that he clearly,

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when pressed on it, when drunk at a hotel by someone who he perceives to have higher

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status than him, says, oh, all that stuff is actually really good.

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Of course, people who have mental issues that I'm scared of shouldn't have guns.

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Right.

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Of course.

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He's a monster.

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This is monstrous behavior.

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His argument is, when you boil it down, his argument is Obama is coming for your guns

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and that's what you get.

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If you try and take people's guns, you're going to get dead cops.

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Well, there's that and it's also- Which suggests that he thinks it's justified

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in a way.

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That's it, and even beyond that, he's trying to present and perpetuate, I guess, the idea

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that this guy who killed these cops wasn't delusional.

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The idea that he was afraid of Obama taking his guns, that wasn't based on a propaganda

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narrative put out by the right wing and people like Alex Jones.

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That's based on reality.

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He saw through the bullshit and that's what made him scared.

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He is actually justifying these murders.

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He's absolutely justifying the murders.

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He's saying that of course he should be doing this because Obama's coming for your guns.

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He's mad that everybody is connecting him to it because of the optics problem of that,

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but at the same time- He's like, of course he should be shooting

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those people.

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Yeah, more or less.

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Obama's coming for your guns.

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Now, in his next clip, he minimizes it for exactly the other reason that you would expect,

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which is his white nationalist tendencies.

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Now, you notice every couple of days I read in some regional newspaper about an illegal

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alien killing a cop or cops and it barely gets any news coverage.

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They want to play that down.

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Real quick, I need to stop here because I listen to all of his shows and he doesn't

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bring up illegal immigrants killing.

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I hate that I keep saying illegal immigrants just because he keeps saying it.

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Undocumented immigrants.

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People aren't illegal.

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No, it's not possible.

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That's where our principles are.

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But he's presenting the idea that he covers these stories frequently of undocumented immigrants

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killing cops and it just doesn't get media traction.

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He doesn't.

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He's giving himself some sort of backstory of every other day I talk about an immigrant

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killing a cop and no one cares.

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That's not true.

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He's making himself sound even worse than he is in this case.

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Yeah, come on.

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He's fine.

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Because they don't want to get the police lobbies upset about the open borders.

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Sure.

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He sent reporters out to California where the tent cities are.

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They come in and take people's children.

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They take their Winnebagos if the insurance is out.

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But they leave the illegal aliens alone because they know they're above the law and the judges

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are going to let them go.

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Point of order.

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Rob Dew in his final report about that said that he didn't see any undocumented immigrants,

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I mean Mexicans, at that camp.

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Do you know why?

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Alex is just talking shit there.

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Do you know why?

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Because Rob Dew said.

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Because even Rob Dew knows that you got to leave those immigrants alone, Dan.

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They're above the law.

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Hey teacher, leave those immigrants alone.

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So see, citizens are way down the totem pole and cops are even below illegals.

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When cops get killed by illegals, they play it down because they don't want to make a

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big propaganda coup out of it because they don't want to demonize illegal aliens.

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But oh, it's big national news that, you know, this guy's reading habits and what he was

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reading.

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So he's real defensive about this because he does kind of, on some level, whether it's

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conscious or not, realizes that.

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He's a propaganda outlet that is doing exactly what he insists everyone else is doing.

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And that this is one of the unfortunate consequences of that.

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This is an inevitable consequence, you can't avoid this.

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That some people will respond to this kind of propaganda and, you know, whether it's

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by virtue of just some sort of chemical imbalance or maybe some trauma they've experienced,

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they're not able to integrate information correctly or whatever and will end up hurting

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people because of the fears that you create.

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Now in the same way that like you make a shoddy seatbelt or something like that, you know,

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like 100,000 people will die but 6 million won't or something like that.

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These companies do that math and whatever.

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Alex, I think, does the same thing, which is like, this rhetoric is super dangerous

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and a bunch of people are gonna hurt other people, but the rest of them that don't are

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going to give me money and I'm going to have to just make peace with that.

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I think that's what he has to do and I think that's what we're seeing expressed here.

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It's more like a company that is setting aside money for the legal funds for the people that

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they're killing as opposed to fixing the problem.

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They're doing that math of like, well, it costs us this much to settle a massive lawsuit

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where we killed a thousand people as opposed to it costs us this much to actually not kill

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a thousand people.

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And it's cheaper to say, yeah, we killed you, but that's fine.

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And as a corollary, the same thing is true of Alex.

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It's more profitable to run that risk and then deny whenever these instances happen.

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He'll be like, I had nothing to do with that.

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He's the Exxon Mobil of shit propaganda.

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He might as well be.

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Or Pinto.

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Isn't that the one that blew up?

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The Pinto blew up, yeah.

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A lot of cars have blown up over the years.

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That is true.

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So we have one more clip from the fifth because it's mostly a no man's land.

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It is not a good show.

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He's defensive as shit for most of it.

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And honestly, this is one of the weird instances of like, you know, I'm watching these, you

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know, I'm listening, watching these episodes and I'm taking notes.

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And this is one of the only times if you go and look at my notebooks, it's like, there's

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an hour gap between really, it's not good.

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But then Alex starts taking calls and he gets probably the most depressing fucking call

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I've ever heard on his show.

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Let's talk to Mark in New York.

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Mark, welcome.

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Alex, how you doing?

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I just want to thank you.

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I picked up a short wave.

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That's how I ran into you.

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And then I picked up the Obama deception and I cried most of the way through it.

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But when I saw your face, I saw two things, Alex.

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I saw a man.

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You're a man's man.

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And then I saw a father.

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And I could tell you all these Sean Hannity's and everybody else.

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I don't know what they think when they look in their mirror at night before they put their

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kids to bed, but at least Alex Jones can see he's not only a man, he's also a father.

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Oh God.

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Oh God.

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That's so sad.

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I don't know how to emotionally connect with any of that.

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That makes me so sad.

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The first words that he said made me build up this massive emotional wall of like, nope,

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nuh-uh.

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Wait, wait.

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You cried during the Obama deception?

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Yeah.

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I don't care.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Get out of here.

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What were you crying about?

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And why is your first thought that he's a father?

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No, no, no, no, no, dude.

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You got to call your dad and work some shit out.

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Or you got to deal with the fact that your ex-wife has your kids or something like that.

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There's something there that's really fucked up.

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That dude's backstory is not one I want to be involved in.

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The kid, he talks more and Alex is like, oh, that's so great and I love the kids.

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Wait, I got to hang this up.

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I got to hang this up.

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No, he keeps the call going and actually the guy ends up saying exactly the same thing

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over again because the call kind of gets to a point where it's not making much sense and

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he sort of, what he does is he-

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It started out not making much sense.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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But then he resets.

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He does like, you know, I saw your film and I just cried through it and I thought there's

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a man and a father.

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Like he says the same thing over again, I'm like, this is, it's just indicative of trouble

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It's trouble.

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What is your life, dude?

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I want a documentary about that.

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Not Obama.

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No.

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Fuck yeah.

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Alex, shift your second documentary that you're making.

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I think it'd be more fun to see if Mark is trying to take anybody's guns.

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That'd be great.

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Man, that idea of watch, how, okay.

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So we watched the Obama deception, didn't we?

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Sure did.

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I watched it like four times.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What would make you cry?

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Also consistently.

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Cause he's saying you cried all the way through it, so that means multiple things.

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Cause it's not a focused documentary by any stretch.

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No.

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So he's, he's crying on new stuff all the time.

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I can't imagine that being your response to it too.

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No.

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I was like, I would, I could understand if someone was like, I watched your documentary

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and through it, I was furious and I wanted to, I was driven to action.

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I decided to stand up or something like that.

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I would, I would understand that, but crying through it is crazy.

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He just loves this country so goddamn much, Dan, and he's watching it fall to black people.

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It must be something like that.

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Like that response must be close to it.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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You, you responded weirdly when I told you that I had cried through a lot of, uh, review,

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Andy Daley's review.

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Like you thought that was, yeah, you seem to think that was a little bit weird.

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Um, I don't think, I mean, I guess in retrospect now I disagree with my whatever awkward feelings

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that you experienced because it's an incredibly tragic show.

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Yeah.

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There was a tragedy to it and you connect so much with the, what could be of the character

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of, uh, Forrest McNeil, you know, you see like the mistakes that are being made in real

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time.

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Right.

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I think that there's possibly like a, like a warped version of that, that you, you experience

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Alex as the narrator of that documentary, the guy who's trying his hardest in a tragic,

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uh, kick-sodic struggle against the globalists and maybe there's something like that that

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triggers emotion, like a tearful emotion or something.

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It's fucked up.

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You know what's crazy?

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It does kind of seem like they're like, now that you bring it up, there is a little bit

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of a parallel between, uh, Andy Daley and review and Alex Jones's show.

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Like, I mean the rigidity of their, their worldviews are certainly similar.

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I think the psychopathy, the willingness to destroy all personal relationships and service

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of the show.

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The image of like there being a point where they could have been saved many times.

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Like that, that sort of idea of like, if only you hadn't gotten a divorce for the show,

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maybe your life would have been completely different.

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Same with Alex.

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It's like, maybe if you hadn't joined Trump, maybe if you hadn't gotten involved with the

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oath keepers and there are so many, there are so many like second chances to mitigate

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the damage.

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Like there's a never ending cycle of like, okay, yeah, you fucked that up, but if you

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took this chance, then you know what, yeah, you, you're still divorced, but look at how

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much better everything is.

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Okay.

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No, you didn't do that.

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All right.

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So if you'd have stopped with the Sandy Hook thing, you see, you could have changed things.

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You could have gone in any different ways.

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If you'd never met Steve Pacheco.

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Yeah.

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All of these.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of, Alex is kind of like, um, a less emotionally interesting, dumber version

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of review.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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But as, as equal a psychopath.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It seems that way.

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I don't know.

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Like, anyway, I wonder how many pancakes he's eating.

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So that's the end of the fifth.

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That's all we're going to cover there.

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And we move on to the sixth and this, my friend is what I live for.

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This to me is exactly why we play the game.

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Okay.

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There are days when, you know, we, we find like, Oh, this is where the Myak report stuff

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comes from.

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That's very exciting for me.

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This is equally exciting because, and you should kind of know why we should have a sense

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of why, but I'll spell it out for you.

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You remember that fishing trip Alex had to cancel.

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Okay.

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Spoiler alert.

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He didn't cancel it.

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He didn't cancel that trip.

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Of course.

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And I'm here to say maybe he should have, because he ran out of time to cover Glenn

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Beck's forthcoming debunking of FEMA camps.

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And so April 6th is a Monday.

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That's the day that Glenn Beck is going to debunk the FEMA camps.

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He's run out of time to create a video.

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So he has to do it live on air.

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Oh no.

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Is he going to have somebody on today?

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Oh no.

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All Alex.

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This is all Alex.

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But this is what I'm talking about.

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The clock is running down.

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Right.

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Alex has the ball.

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He's open.

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You know, it's just on you to get the ball in the hole.

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Yeah.

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You have been talking about FEMA camps your entire fucking career.

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You've got as much as I know about it.

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You've got all the documents.

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You talk all about it all the time.

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All you have to do is coherently make your point and you have won the basketball game.

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That is all you have to do.

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And I have no idea why I thought he might.

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Yeah, there's no chance of that.

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There's never a chance of that.

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Spoiler alert.

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This is a tragic embarrassment.

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Okay.

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But it's even worse than I thought it would, like, I thought it could be.

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I thought there was a chance he would just sort of like stumble and fall and like, or

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just he'd say vague stuff and like, you know.

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Most of it, honestly, most of his quote unquote debunking or debunking of the debunking is

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him just rambling about nothing and saying stray things.

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Of course.

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But I found a number of specific instances of things he makes and they're all pathetic.

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Oh no, he shouldn't have done specifics.

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He has to.

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He always can't do specifics.

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His back's to the wall.

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Glenn Beck is about to put out this debunking.

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Yeah, but you could just be a dick to Glenn Beck and call it a day.

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You know, like I imagine I didn't see Glenn Beck's debunking, but when you have a fucking

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lunatic who's debunking something that's lunatic, I'm sure he was fucking stupid about it too.

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It was pretty stupid.

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His debunking, we'll talk about that here a little bit further down the road, but Glenn

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Beck's debunking of it was the softest, lamest thing I've ever seen in my life, but we'll

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start the episode and Alex is going to introduce what he is about to do today.

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I was going to do my big FEMA camp expose last Friday, but I had some issues come up

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where I had to take off.

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So Burma sat in so I wasn't here and so I have to do the FEMA camp analysis today hours

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ahead of Glenn Beck's scheduled debunking.

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So he has to do it today.

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It's not like I'm going to do this.

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He's almost as using language that indicates I don't want to do this.

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Yeah, I don't want to fucking do this, but I can't.

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But I also know that if I don't, then everyone's going to seed ground to Glenn Beck.

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Like Glenn Beck is going to take some sort of a point on me and I can't let that happen.

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No, that's why you debunk after.

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You can't debunk pre debunking.

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I'm pretty sure actually Alex does have moles in Glenn Beck's show.

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Oh, you think so?

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He makes a couple of really specific predictions about what Glenn Beck is going to say.

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Right.

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And I'm like, that is not that there's no way that that's not like based on for knowledge

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and Glenn Beck's show isn't live.

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His TV show isn't live.

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It's probably already been taped by the time he's going.

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It was probably taped over the weekend.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So there's no way that like there isn't a possibility that a mole at Fox News has told

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him what Glenn Beck's debunking is because like he does make like an absurdly specific

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prediction about him using like Glenn Beck using a Amtrak station shut down.

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That's absurdly specific.

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Well, it's it is one of the like popular Internet videos that went around talking about FEMA

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camps and stuff like that.

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But there are tons of them.

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So for him to specifically latch onto that one so strongly leads me to believe that he

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had inside information.

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Whatever.

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See, now I want to write this.

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I'm not sure of that.

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If I'm going to write this story, I want Mark in New York to be our internecine mole between

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the two vicious camps of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

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That would be awesome.

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That would be awesome.

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That's why he's lost his kid.

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That's why he's sending over all these things.

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He's just like, Glenn Beck's not a man or a father.

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So he said Sean Hannity.

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That's right.

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But that's he couldn't say Glenn back.

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You're right.

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Glenn Beck is his boss.

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Yeah.

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The whole thing.

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He'd give up the game.

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So in that first clip, I think we saw Mark.

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Where are you, Mark?

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Get well, Mark.

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If you're happy new year.

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Mark, if you're listening.

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Happy New Year.

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Mark.

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Twenty nineteen is your year.

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Mark's been dead for three years now.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, I know.

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So the language that Alex was using there, I think very clearly indicates a sense of

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I have to do this.

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And I think that carries through into this next clip where he starts immediately making

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excuses for why it's not going to be that great.

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So they're in there right now trying to pull up 200 plus news articles.

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He's talking about his producers.

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Yeah.

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Video clips in the folders in the order I just gave them to.

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So they're in a race to get all this loaded on the computer, the articles, the documents,

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the Miami Herald from the 80s, the the list goes on and on video clips of FEMA camps troops

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trying to confiscate your guns.

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And so we're racing to get all of this loaded in.

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So he said a couple of things that were kind of seemed like things like Miami Herald article

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from the 80s.

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Right.

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Still not specific enough for me to act on.

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No, you speaking so vaguely.

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All you need to do is go through the database of every article that the Miami Herald published

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in the 80s.

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Lord knows.

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Lord knows.

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I want to do that.

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I do know that you do want to do that.

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That's that's the scary thing about you.

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So the other thing that we see there in that clip, first of all, I have to stress this

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because I am 100 percent sure this is the case.

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He is like, look, they're going they're they're doing a lot in there.

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There's hundreds of things you have to look, whatever we end up doing here, it's short

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notice.

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Yeah.

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Short notice.

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I had to go fishing or whatever.

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And then the second thing is, I think you see immediately a shifting of the goalposts

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because he starts talking about troops on the street and stuff like that, confiscating

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guns and stuff like that, that that's not the FEMA camp stuff.

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I know that Alex likes to pretend that all of this is connected, but that's not the conversation

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that Glenn Beck is going to have.

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It has nothing to do with the debunking.

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This is a moving of the goalposts in order for him to artificially run up his score.

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Right.

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Because he's going to make it look like I'm making points about gun grabbing, making points

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about troops doing exercises, all that stuff.

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It's even more overwhelming.

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My stuff about his FEMA camp stuff.

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So it's it's it's ludicrous.

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Important thing to remember is that the day before this, he was rightly pilloried for

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causing a man to murder people or help for the for the troops on the streets coming to

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confiscate your guns narrative.

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No, and I think that's actually something super important to keep in mind.

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That was the day before.

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There's a method to my madness.

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There's a reason I kept that in, because what he ends up doing on this show is telling people

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to kill cops.

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You bet.

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Or at the very least, like it is what inspired this guy to be in the position where he ends

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up killing these police officers.

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Be afraid if the cops are coming to your house, they're coming to steal your guns.

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Doesn't matter why they were called.

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And if they do come to steal your guns, well, you have to exercise your second amendment.

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Right.

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Which I believe includes the words.

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You can also kill cops if they come for the well-regulated militia or whatever it is.

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So he gets distracted.

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Alex gets distracted.

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He's not going to get to his his FEMA camp stuff right away.

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He's going to complain about Robert Reich.

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Labor Secretary Robert Reich.

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He's the guy that said we have to make sure none of the stimulus money goes to white men.

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That's an actual quote.

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What a socialist globalist minion brought up by the big central banks.

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What a demonic twerp.

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He didn't say that.

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Even even if he did say that, that still does not relate to socialism.

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Any any.

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Not necessarily.

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You can't just call him a socialist.

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And then that doesn't make sense.

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That doesn't make sense.

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It's a problem.

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Alex isn't very smart.

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I'm a socialist, but I'm not going to be like, let's use race targeting.

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That's not socialist.

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That's a that's a what's it called?

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I don't know.

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American.

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Yeah.

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Robert Reich had a comment where he was talking about how with the stimulus money that's going

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out, we don't want it to all go to white construction workers.

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Yeah.

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That was it.

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He was talking about how there needs to be, you know, equal distribution of it.

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You want to see it go into all sorts of communities, not just white construction workers.

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Oh, he didn't come out and say, this money is all reparations, baby!

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Kill Whitey!

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No, he didn't say that.

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He didn't he didn't black sheep it?

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One for you, Whitey!

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No, it's absurd.

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And Alex is like, that's a quote.

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That can't be a quote.

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He said quote.

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Literally, no one said that.

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He said quote.

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No one said that.

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Look, I would love to say it, but I still wouldn't say it.

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No.

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Especially not if I'm in the government.

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Hell no.

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The only reason anybody would say it is to misquote somebody in order to make it seem

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like whites are much more oppressed than they are.

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Right.

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Which is the second aspect of what he's doing.

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Or if they were going for some sort of ghoulish overkill, like advocating for white genocide.

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Something along those lines.

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That's when that might be said in a very ironic manner.

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Anyways, just so you know, our donations for next year all go to non-white people.

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Right.

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I can't have any of it.

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You don't get any of it.

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Too bad you're a white man.

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Ah, shit.

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So in this next clip, Alex, you already sussed out this idea that he's doing the exact same

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thing that has led to this guy in Pittsburgh killing three cops.

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He doubles down on it.

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Barack Obama is on record as a state senator and in the U.S. Senate voting for a total

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assault weapons ban.

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Anything semi-automatic.

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He lobbied and argued for a complete gun ban when he was a state senator in Illinois.

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His attorney general last year filed on behalf of the Justice Department when he was just

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a former deputy attorney general.

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He wasn't.

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The briefing you can read on the government's behalf at the Supreme Court on the D.C. gun

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ban saying no citizen should be allowed to even own a single shot, shotgun, or handgun.

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No firearms, period, only police and military.

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You can go read that right now.

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It's in the Supreme Court briefing.

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It's on the Supreme Court website.

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Dan, did you read it?

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I didn't read all of it, but I read enough to know what the reality was.

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This just goes back to the amicus brief that he signed in terms of D.C. v. Heller.

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The issue is that Eric Holder was a deputy attorney general until 2001, but he wasn't

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at the time that D.C. v. Heller was going on.

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Oh, yeah?

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Like the period of time that he...

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So Alex can't even get that shit fucking right?

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No, no.

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At the time that D.C. v. Heller was going on, he was working in private practice, and

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he signed this amicus brief and joined in on it because the issue was that he was from

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D.C. and there was a handgun ban in D.C. that he wanted to be upholded.

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He wanted that to be upheld.

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Yeah, because it's a good idea.

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Yeah, absolutely, and so he joined in on that.

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He wasn't a deputy attorney general at the time at all.

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Alex is mixing all this timeline up in order to create the perception of X, Y, or Z.

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They're all coming to take your guns.

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It's all hot bullshit, but the reason that he's doing all of this stuff is still about

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that shooting.

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He's still very defensive about it as he makes clear in this next clip.

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Okay, so two people have been chosen out of this tragedy to be demonized, two people mainly,

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myself and Glenn Beck, by Media Matters, run by Mr. Brock, a former neo-con, by Raw Story,

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and by, of course, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

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That's a huge clip in my mind, and it might not seem that way to most people, but in the

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same way that Rage-Filled Achilles is an epithet that runs through the Iliad, every time, or

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almost every time Achilles is brought up, the epithet Rage-Filled Achilles is there.

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It's a compound noun, basically.

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He's an angry dude.

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But all of them...

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I read it.

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But most of the characters in the Iliad have epithets along with them.

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It's a way of characterizing their characters.

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Alex Jones uses that a lot.

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In modern times, whenever he talks about Media Matters, he says, Soros-run Media Matters,

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Soros-funded Media Matters.

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And now, in 2009, he says the Brock-run...

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Run by David Rock, who used to be a neo-con, which he was, and also knows Larry Nichols

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from those days.

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You want to ask Nichols about that shit?

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I kind of do.

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So the issue for me is that he'd bring up Media Matters without bringing up Soros, which

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is huge.

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The idea that he had been starting to bring up Soros a little bit, but still not in a

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demon big bad guy kind of way.

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It makes me think that we might have read a little bit more into that than there was.

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This indicates to me that he has no targeting of Soros yet at this point, because otherwise

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he would have thrown that in.

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You have to throw in Soros-run Media Matters, because I assume he owned Media Matters at

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this time as well.

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He didn't own anything.

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He funded things.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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All right.

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He supported...

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The Soros-funded Media Matters.

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But not all of the funding.

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No, no, I know.

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I get that.

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You're the devil.

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Right.

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So that's super interesting to me.

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And no one's blaming Alex for the shooting, just the worldview that he perpetuates.

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Oh, no.

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Come on.

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So we've already heard him blame Obama and Eric Holder for the shooting.

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But in this next clip, he does something that I think is even like...

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It should be beyond him, and that is he blames the police for it.

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Oh, I thought it was Mr. Rogers that he was going to go for at this point.

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Mr. Rogers, he took a sweater off and killed three cops.

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It is not a good day in your neighborhood, Mr. Rogers.

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But what the media and the police are doing is they're combing over all these dozens of

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mass shootings, and they're looking for people who have Ron Paul material or Glenn Beck material

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or Alex Jones material.

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It's not hard.

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So they can try to bolster their whole Mayak view of the world, which, by the way, is gonna

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get a lot of cops killed.

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If the police implement this Mayak view, we get calls every day of people pulled over

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for Ron Paul stickers, the cops are pulling guns out on them.

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No, you don't.

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That then makes the public scared of the cops and paranoid, and then they're going to react

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like this guy did to the police and military.

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Oh, my God.

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Did you just understand black people in America?

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And that's the most important thing I can say about all of this.

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It's the most important thing he can say about it.

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I don't want to go too far down that road, but what you just said is a very interesting

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point.

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I don't want to go too far down that road.

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I think we all got it.

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Yeah, but we can all take the two steps further down that road to be like, you're still stupid.

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But what Alex is advocating there or what he's putting forth is, I guess, a position

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that the police done did this to themselves.

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Of course they did.

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They shouldn't have been such assholes.

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They started working with Obama.

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They got that Mayak worldview going, which I hope is something that he keeps talking

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about.

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I hope that's a band that Rob Doo started.

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Oh, dude.

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In my research about all these other weird things, I found that there is an improv musical

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quartet in Austin named Art Acevedo, which is Alex Jones's guest and former Austin police

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chief Art Acevedo.

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I thought that was really funny.

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And I wish there was a band called the Mayak Mindset.

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I know.

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That'd be great.

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That'd be great.

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If you are an improv quartet out there, jazz fusion quartet or whatever, Mayak worldview.

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If you are the Pentatonix, change your name to Mayak worldview because you're garbage.

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In this case, though, specifically, those cops were responding to a domestic disturbance

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that this guy was responsible for.

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He was the one who was the antagonist.

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He was the person who was wrong.

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There's no evidence that they did anything wrong in this situation to cause this shooting

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to happen.

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So for Alex to be using this sort of rhetoric, it legitimately is to blame the victim of

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murder for the actions of the murderer.

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Well, he's never done that before.

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But that's not...

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I understand.

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It's not the first time, but that's not cool, man.

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No.

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I don't want to be here defending cops or anything like that, but I'm defending them

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as murder victims.

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I'm defending murder victims, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Their occupation has nothing to do with us defending them.

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By no means...

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Look, as far as anti-cop goes, I'm way on your team, but I'm still not like, let's murder

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indiscriminately.

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If they hadn't showed up there and what led to their deaths, like if the mom hadn't called

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the police, almost certainly he would have beat her up or killed her.

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Like that is...I know we can't, like fantasy book, if this, then that's history or whatever,

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but you look at this person with this track record with what he was doing at the time,

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there's a really good chance he would have caused terrible harm to his mother.

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And so she did the thing to protect herself that she could, and it led to three people's

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deaths.

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For sure.

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It's a horrible thing.

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And the only person to blame is that Richard, the guy who did it.

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The further conversation is the places where he was getting his information that led him

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to...

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Oh, you could also blame all women for sometimes being mean to him.

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See, now this is what I was hoping to get to.

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It's not even the cops fault.

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It's women for sometimes being mean.

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It's taken us two years, but finally we're here.

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We've been beating around the bush for a really long time.

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It's time to do it.

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Women, you got to stop being a little bit mean to guys.

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Otherwise we're still going to murder people.

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That's our...

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It's on you.

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Really?

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God, that sounds too close to the real argument that these guys make.

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It's unfortunate.

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I mean, we're joking around, but some people actually do believe that, which is super fucked

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up.

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Man, if we just had a gun ban on people who have been suspected of domestic violence or

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have had the cops called on them for domestic violence disputes, murders would go way, way

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down.

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Yeah.

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If you look at the...

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They really would.

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I mean, I poured over the last two years mass shooting statistics not too long ago.

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It's really horrifying because the numbers don't tell stories, but if you look at them,

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there are websites you can go to that keep spreadsheets of each of the shootings, and

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you can find the local news reports about each of them.

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If you go to them and you hear the stories of what they are, you're 100% right.

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Almost all of the people...

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Certainly it's not all of them, but it's a drastic majority of them are people who have

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committed acts of domestic violence or had red flags in that area before.

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If Alex Jones is interested in preserving the right to own guns, the Second Amendment,

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all that, and is interested in cutting down unnecessary gun murders, that is the one thing

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that he should be in favor of, and he fucking never talks about it.

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It shows what his priorities are.

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He doesn't give a shit.

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And that really shouldn't even...

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Like even for the NRA or anything like that, that should not be a controversy.

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Like if you're somebody who's like...

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No, because the NRA is really smart in terms of being a lobbying group because they don't

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cede an inch, which is...

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They are really smart as far as that goes.

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You gotta give them credit for being monsters through and through.

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And because they haven't given an inch, there's nothing.

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There's no real meaningful legislation about gun control.

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We just recently got acceptance that maybe we shouldn't have bump stocks around.

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And it's like, that shouldn't have been...

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Bump stocks shouldn't have existed in the first place.

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But even if you read the articles about that bump stock ban, most of the actual gun salespeople

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that they were talking to were like, we don't really sell many of these anyway.

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They're horrible for accuracy.

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It's almost a pointless product.

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It's really almost like their existence is purely to murder indiscriminately.

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Because the banning is a symbolic gun control thing more than it is any kind of meaningful

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one.

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Right.

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Anyway, we're getting too far off track here.

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The point is that Alex Jones doesn't give a shit.

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He does not give a shit.

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He does not give a fuck.

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And if he did, there would be other things that he would suggest as possible solutions.

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Because he's just sort of even denying that there is a problem.

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He's denying the reality of this Pittsburgh shooting situation at all.

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And I know that part of that is that he wants to deny the fact that this guy was inspired

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by his worldview.

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Right.

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You add hating Jews in there and just like change a few words.

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But he is basically like a prototypical info warrior.

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And Alex wants nothing to do with that, especially because he went fucking fishing with his kids.

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And he put off this FEMA camp debunking and it's really fucking driving him nuts.

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So now we're about 50 minutes into the episode, Alex gets into the debunking.

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He has Max Kaiser coming on for the last hour of the show.

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So he really only has a good hour and a half to do his debunking, which he's already complained

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there's too much information.

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I don't know how I'm going to do this.

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Too much information.

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I'll tell you how.

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By avoiding it for as long as possible.

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I'm going to ramble about nothing for the first 50 minutes of the show and talk to Max

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Kaiser about his fake currency for the last hour of the show.

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How's Max coin going now?

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It's doing good.

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Okay.

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So here is Alex sort of dipping his toe into talking about how wrong Glenn Beck is about

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FEMA camps.

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They've also got over a hundred news articles that they're getting in order so that as I

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go over them on air, they can pull them up on screen.

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Because I can show the army's on website where they admit Americans are on 24 camps working

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as slave labor.

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Can you?

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People won't believe it.

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So it's best to show the website, show it on screen.

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Go for it.

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Go check it out.

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Well don't let me stop.

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So that's coming up in about 25 minutes.

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When I said he starts us at 50 minutes in, that's here.

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He actually starts the debunking an hour and 20 minutes into the podcast.

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But hold on.

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And why am I doing that?

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Glenn Beck said a month ago he was going to expose the FEMA camps and look like they were

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real.

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And I said, he's doing that to get your confidence.

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He's an establishment hack.

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He's been reading federal talking points right out of the ADL saying arrest Ron Paul supporters.

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They're dangerous.

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Then he flip flopped to get our confidence.

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And I said, that's what it was.

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Watch, he's going to come out and debunk the FEMA camps.

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Then he announced a week and a half ago, he's going to do it tonight.

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Now he may cancel that again.

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He's been endlessly hyping this.

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But regardless, we're going to expose him.

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Now understand, I'm going to show you about 10% of the evidence.

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With time constraints, I can only show you a few dozen media clips and news articles

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and go here in the time we have.

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Point of order.

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Could have had a production meeting.

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Alex Jones has unlimited time.

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No one is controlling anything he does in terms of like he had his Sunday show.

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Some of that could have covered the material.

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No, he could have done the first hour of this show doing it.

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He could bump Max Keiser.

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It doesn't fucking matter.

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Max Keiser would still come next week or whatever.

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No, come on.

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Max Keiser is a hot commodity.

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Everybody's wondering how Max coin's doing.

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Keiser's happy to be there.

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That's irrelevant.

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Alex has infinite time.

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And one of the reasons he has infinite time is there's something that he does a bunch

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at this period of his career.

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He goes into overdrive.

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He has this term overdrive.

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I do not know what that means.

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He does it very frequently.

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And that is when his show, the feeds for the radio run out, he broadcasts on his own website.

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He has the infrastructure in place.

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Oh, okay.

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Now I get you.

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So he's like, I'm going to go into overdrive to take a few more calls.

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Right.

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I'm going to do another hour.

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I know we're not broadcast on the radio anymore, but we're going to go on my own website.

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I'm going to do this live.

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You can still call in.

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The show is still going.

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Yep.

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Prisonplanet.tv members, all that.

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He has unlimited time.

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He could sit there and get every piece of information that he wants to get out there.

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He's preemptively making excuses for how shitty this is going to be by saying, I only have

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time to get into like 10%.

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Now I want to say this very fucking clearly.

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Sure.

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If you only have time to get into 10%, you better get into the best 10%.

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I don't understand why.

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I'm going to say that if Alex Jones, something into that other 90% proves his case and he

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chose to cover this 10%, go fuck yourself.

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All right.

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So as a comedian, like I can do an hour, which is 60 minutes.

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And if I'm going to do 10% of that, six minutes, perhaps the showcase set, I am just going

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to haphazardly choose what material I do.

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Randomly.

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Randomly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What am I?

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Well, I don't have time to get into the good stuff, Dan.

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If you want to hear my better material, go somewhere else.

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But there is nowhere else to go.

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This is Alex Jones doing his big marquee piece about the FEMA camps.

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This is it.

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And it would.

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And if he did, if look, he does have overdrive.

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He can go on his own show.

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Also, how viral would it go if he, if everybody started talking about how Alex did 10 straight

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hours laid out all the documents into the weeds, the policy implications, even do it

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on his own show.

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He named the names.

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Yeah.

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It would be devastating and revolutionary.

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Oh, it would be if any of it was real.

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Unfortunately, none of it is.

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Yeah, that's a problem for him.

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So 25 minutes after that clip where he's shitting on Glenn Beck and making excuses for how bad

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this is going to be, Alex finally gets to the big FEMA camp debunking.

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Here we go.

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And this starts out bad.

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For the next hour and 30 minutes, I am going to cover the reality of FEMA camps in the

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United States, how it's controlled by the national security council who in turn controls

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FEMA.

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Okay.

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I already got to stop you.

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How does the NSC control FEMA Dan?

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So this might seem kind of true on like a technicality because FEMA is under the umbrella

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of the department of Homeland security.

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If you're saying that it's run by the national security council, that is a bit of a stretch.

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There are a ton of organizations that fall under the heading of the national security

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department because their role is obviously, you know, it involves national security.

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There's a ton of place departments like the citizens immigration services, the coast guard,

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customs enforcement, all of that is under the heading of the department of national

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security.

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The department that oversees preparedness for responding to natural and unnatural emergencies

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is absolutely something that belongs in the department of national security.

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Housing it anywhere else would be a bureaucratic mistake.

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The problem is that the national security council is not the department of national

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security.

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The president's national security advisor is a regular attendee of the national security

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council meetings, but is not, that's not even considered to be an essential player in the

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council.

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All right.

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The council is made up of statutory members like the president, vice president, secretary

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of state, defense, energy, and the treasury, the national intelligence advisor and the

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chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or regular attendees, but not statutory members.

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The department of national security is headed because they're under 16.

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The department of the national security is headed by the secretary of Homeland security,

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who is not a statutory member of the national security council and thus is not required

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to attend their meetings.

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These are two different things that sound the same.

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Sounds so similar.

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They sound the same.

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They sound similar.

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They are not the same.

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So essentially we're just having a your, your, your argument with Alex right now.

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This is how he starts his debunking by saying that FEMA is controlled by the national security

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council.

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It's not, it's in the national department of national security, which are similar sounding,

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but not the same thing.

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It's crazy.

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It is crazy that he doesn't understand the difference between those two things.

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I can now see why you were so excited about that to me is like, go fuck yourself.

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You just had your Michael Jordan slam dunk moments and uh, it's only going to get worse

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from here.

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It's going to be like if the shot on Elo scored on the opposite rim accidentally scored for

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the calves.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh, so like this beginning part there, that's really bad.

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First of all.

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But then, uh, that sentence continues even more poorly by the national security council

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who in turn controls FEMA presidential decision directive 51 is in place.

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The one, uh, the American people, uh, slaves of the federal government and saying that

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Congress and the courts are ceremonial under the president.

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So they've used continuity of government as a way to basically set up a dictatorship here

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in the United States.

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So he's talking about the, uh, the PDD 51, the presidential, uh, decision directive 51.

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He's using that to argue.

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I've heard him argue this before that that's somehow put FEMA under the national security

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council and that it makes ever won slaves and makes a Congress ceremonial.

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Of course.

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This is a judiciary.

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I believe he said none of this is true.

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FEMA was put into the department of Homeland security, just, uh, like, uh, when the department

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of Homeland security was created in late 2002 before that the agency's responsibilities

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were handled by HUD in the seventies and then, uh, sort of existed as a solitary independent

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agency before that.

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And now they're run by chuds, chuds, cannibalistic, humanoid, underground dwellers.

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I understand PDD 51 or the presidential decision directive 51, also known as the national security

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and Homeland security presidential directive.

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It wasn't issued by George Bush until May 4th, 20 2007 and has literally nothing to

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do with FEMA.

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It has to do with continuity plans in the case of a catastrophic emergency and largely

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deals with the national security council, which again is very different from the department

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of Homeland security.

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They have similar sounding names.

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So I understand how Alex could make this simple mistake, a huge mistake.

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I didn't even notice it.

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Yeah.

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Cause it sounds, it just, it just rolls off the tongue the right way.

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And you're like, Oh, that's probably what he's talking about.

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Let's move on.

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It's fascinating to me how infinite he thinks Obama's power is in retrospect, you know,

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by virtue of the way that we're living now with Trump as president, shouldn't he have

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to retract all of his Obama's?

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But also I want to be clear, he's not making the argument that a lot of this is Obama.

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It has to do with like previous presidents and stuff like that.

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The groundwork that has led to FEMA camps and by the way, all of that stupid too.

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So the idea that Homeland security, I'm sorry, the idea that we're all slaves and Congress

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is ceremonial now because of PDD 51, shockingly, none of that's true either.

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The document specifically says in section two B that the goal is coming up with a framework

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for an enduring constitutional government defined as quote, a cooperative effort among

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the executive legislative and judicial branches of the federal government coordinated by the

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president as a matter of comedy with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and

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with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches to

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preserve the constitutional framework under which the nation is governed and the capability

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of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide

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for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership and interoperability and support

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of the national essential functions during a catastrophic emergency that clearly discusses

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maintaining the branches of government and separation of powers.

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In section five, it even goes on to enumerate what are considered the national essential

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functions that were mentioned there that must be preserved in a catastrophe.

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And what do you think the first thing listed is quote, ensuring the continued functioning

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of our form of government under the constitution, including the functioning of three separate

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branches of government in section nine, they even say, quote, each branch of the federal

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government is responsible for its own continuity programs.

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It is the way Alex is treating this story now is if I heard all of what you said and

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then I was like, oh, he said comedy and said and was like, instead of forgot about the

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spelling instead of comedy, he meant comedy.

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So this whole thing is a joke, Dan.

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That's how you know what they're really saying is when they write comedy, what they mean

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is comedy.

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It's legitimately that level of misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

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It's fucked up.

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Yeah, that's stupid.

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It's nuts.

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So he's trying to say that the executive branch is absorbing all of this power and making

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the legislative and judicial subordinate to it.

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When I've read these, I've read these, he's saying Congress is ceremonial.

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That's what he means by this.

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When you hear here in the actual text, it's saying very seriously and very importantly

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preserving these branches of government, preserving their separateness and our form of government

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under the Constitution is delineated.

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It's laid out very specifically.

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PDD 51 established a new position, the National Continuity Coordinator, who would coordinate

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with departments about their continuity planning.

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This position was designated specifically to exist, quote, without exercising directive

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authority, meaning they can't make any rules.

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It's a go-between.

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Right.

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It's a coordinator.

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It's a go-between.

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It's a guy who's like, hey, are you doing that?

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay, cool.

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How about you?

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You're doing that?

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Okay, cool.

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That way they don't have to get involved with each other's business because that, of course,

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would defeat the fucking point.

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And in section nine, like I said, they say, quote, each branch of the federal government

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is responsible for its own continuity programs.

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It's not saying the executive branch is going to decide yours for you, but we are going

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to say you better have one.

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Exactly.

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That's what this document is doing.

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It's not saying I'm going to dictate to you what, who cares.

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Right.

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If there's some sort of mastermind, some sort of Ozzie Mandamus out there who's organizing

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a catastrophic level event, we need to be prepared.

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The document also lays out the responsibilities of the Secretary of Homeland Security in relation

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to the directive, and none of them are build FEMA camps to enslave the patriots.

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Most of them are things like assess local readiness for response to a catastrophe and

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stuff like conduct readiness exercises.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That sort of thing.

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But we all know what that means.

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Code.

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Taking your guns.

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Also, spoiler alert, PDD-51 was really just an updating of PDD-67, which was issued by

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Bill Clinton on October 21st, 1998, which was itself just an updating of H.W. Bush's

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PDD-69.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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June 2nd, 1992, which was itself an updating of National Security Directive 37 from April

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18th, 1990, which itself was an updating of Reagan's NSD-55 from September 14th, 1982.

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All I will say is you guys got to get your fucking numbering right because that did not

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work out right.

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So wait.

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Every time there's a new president, the directive's number resets, unlike with executive orders.

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I don't like that.

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I want continuity.

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Well.

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We should be on PDD.

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You need a coordinator.

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We should be on PDD-1244 right now, Dan.

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I don't disagree with you.

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It does make things a little confusing.

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But all of this stuff is to say that there's a sense that we need to know what's going

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to happen when there's an emergency because when that emergency happens, we don't have

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time to make a plan.

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No, no, no, no.

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The plan should be in place by, you know, before you need it.

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What are you saying?

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You need to be prepared?

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I've read all these things and I've read the arguments that people like Alex and these

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patriots and stuff make, I've assessed them to be nonsense because they don't take into

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account the idea that you do need to be ready.

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Like that idea that like, hey, worst case scenario, someone sets off a bomb in Congress

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and 50 senators die, right?

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Let's go with like 30 senators die just because you leave some, you know?

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Yeah, sure.

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Why not?

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What do you do then?

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You should have a plan in place.

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This, these directives that have been sent down since at least 1982 have been conveying

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a sense that we need a plan when something happens, even if that thing is super unlikely.

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Because if that happens, we are fucked.

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But that's what these guys fucking do.

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That is their deal.

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If you are preparing for something, they say you are fucking planning on doing it.

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But Alex sells preparing food.

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Right.

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But if you don't prepare for something, they say it's your fault that you weren't prepared.

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That's the way that they fucking work.

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They win either way.

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You know?

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They hate institutional preparedness, but they like the idea of you wasting money on

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food that'll like go bad in your attic.

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Yeah.

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And then blaming you if you didn't use it right or whatever it is.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, the government.

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See, this is what I'm saying.

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The government didn't prepare for it.

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That means they wanted it to happen.

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See, this is what I'm saying, the government's preparing for it because they want it to happen.

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Like it doesn't matter.

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Yeah.

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It's a lot of nonsense.

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And we're not even close to into this.

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We're like less than a minute in.

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And Alex has already misrepresented the idea that FEMA is under the National Security Council

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when it's the Department of National Security.

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Yeah.

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And completely lied about the reality of PDD 51 and the history of it, what it means, all

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that stuff.

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We're in like deep waters here.

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Alex is he's out of his league.

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This is going to be a disaster.

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And it's his topic.

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Yeah.

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He should have spent less than an hour and a half on like legitimately.

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He is the guy for this.

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This is supposed to be his area of expertise.

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Right.

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And that is bad.

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That that's your first minute.

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That's bad.

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It's not good.

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So here's what happens right after that first minute, which makes me think it's worse than

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even I think.

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I have made three police state films.

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I have also written books and news articles on the subject.

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And the problem is, when you cover FEMA camps, is there so much evidence, so many congressional

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hearings, so many news articles, so many documents.

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The problem is knowing where to start.

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But I will start this presentation right now by simply going over the fact that Glenn Beck

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a year and a half ago said that Ron Paul supporters should be arrested and that the army should

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be not good.

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This is not good.

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Not good.

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Not good.

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There's so much evidence.

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There's an avalanche of evidence, Dan.

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I don't even know where to start.

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Where I will start, however, is bitching about this guy.

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Glenn Beck sucks.

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I am going to go out on a limb and say Glenn Beck is a bitch.

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Bad sign.

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No, that's not good.

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That means...

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That's...

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You got nothing.

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So when I...

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I'll just give you my emotional experience of listening to this episode.

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When I turned it on and he's like, I'm going to do my debunking of FEMA camps.

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I had a two pronged response.

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The first was excitement because I'm like, he's got to come correct.

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So that'll at least give me something to dig into.

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Which we know he won't.

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And then the second was, oh God, this is going to be exhausting.

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I'm going to have to look into so many things.

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Which you didn't.

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I kind of did.

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There was a bit to look into, but it wasn't as hard as I expected it to be.

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I thought he'd be quoting Byzantine sources and stuff like that.

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He's disappointing on both of your prongs.

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Somewhat.

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But then when we go through the first hour of the show and there's basically nothing

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about this, I'm like, Alex, you are like me in college.

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You didn't prepare for an exam.

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The night before you're like, I'm going to do some studying, I kind of want to play some

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video games.

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I'm just going to play some Donkey Kong Country.

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We'll see what happens.

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Now he's living in that space of like, well, I didn't prepare for this.

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So if it goes well, I'm a genius.

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And if it doesn't go well, I didn't prepare.

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But he is, but he's not presenting it that way.

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And that is a problem.

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Yeah, of course.

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He's not like, and he's wrong.

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So when he starts up and he gets into that, like FEMA is under the National Security Council,

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I'm like, no.

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And I'm like, uh oh, I started to get really like worried.

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And then as soon as he was like, where to start, Glenn Beck sucks, I'm like, you have

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nothing.

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He's got nothing.

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I was blown away.

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I've been studying him for two years now.

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And I was even shocked by how little he recognized that this matters.

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Like this is a historical document.

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The day Alex Jones had to talk about FEMA camps in a substantive and definitive way.

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And he's like, Glenn Beck is a motherfucker.

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Oh no, Alex.

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I felt pity.

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I felt real pity.

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Did you?

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I felt pity and fear.

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Oh no.

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I felt afraid for him.

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Oh, you got to not do that.

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I felt really scared.

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I'm like, how are you going to do the next hour and a half if that's where you.

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I know he should have, he could have totally just like pushed it back and pushed it back

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in the middle.

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Like, oh shit.

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I, I even wanted to get to your calls.

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I had so much information that I wanted to lay out, but you know what?

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I just got so busy defending white people from murder.

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So I was worried.

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I was very worried about his competence, I think is what I'm looking for.

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I was worried about his ability to actually to land this and to fly it.

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Like I didn't think we're like an hour and 25 minutes into his show.

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It's hard to believe.

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Max Keiser's coming in at the three hour mark.

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So you've got a good, um, you know, hour and 25 hour 30 in there, maybe hour with commercials

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taken out.

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Yeah.

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I was like, I don't know what you're going to talk about.

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I don't know.

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I don't know how you're going to do this.

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What's he got, Dan?

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So here's what he comes with back against the wall.

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Here's what he comes with first up on screen are photocopies of the Miami Herald.

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And this goes back into the 1980s when they had congressional hearings dealing with shadow

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government and martial law.

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There's the headline, the secret martial law, and it talks about secret summits, a plan

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to take over the government.

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So this was that eighties, uh, uh, Miami Herald article that he, he wants to talk about.

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The article of the Miami Herald is not about FEMA camps.

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It was from 1987.

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It was written by a guy named Alfonso Chardee.

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Uh, and Alex isn't even reading the whole headline.

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The whole headline is quote, Reagan AIDS formed a secret government and it's about, it's about

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Oliver North and the Iran Contra affair, which many of his guests and associates either were

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or pretend to have been involved in.

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So I don't know what to do with that.

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I mean, if that's what you want to start with a misrepresented article about fucking Oliver

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North, how's Oliver North doing?

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What's he up to these days?

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He's running the NRA.

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Well, I'm glad we solved that problem.

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So I'm like, okay, that's not good.

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That is a proof.

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I know that Oliver North did, uh, you know, propose that Rex 84 plan and some of that

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will come up.

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We've talked about that in the past, but where he goes after that is even softer.

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Now you want proof of martial law, proof of FEMA camps.

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Here it is.

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Go ahead and play it.

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The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere.

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That atmosphere is not justified.

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Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday,

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that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or 3000 points the first day, another

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couple of thousand the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be

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martial law in America if we voted no on Fox.

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So we've talked about this a bunch.

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This was part of the, um, there's in the Obama deception.

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This is Brad Sherman, uh, the, uh, the house member.

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Um, and he actually appeared on Alex's show and clarified his comments that he made on

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the house floor.

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And he said that this is just something that people were talking about.

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It wasn't a real threat.

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So Alex is using that and like, Ooh, that's not good either.

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This is, this is what you're coming with.

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This is fuck.

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Yeah.

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Here's proof.

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That's proof of FEMA.

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Here's proof of FEMA camps.

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A Congressman said, uh, something that's maybe adjacent, but it's like fear mongering, you

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know, like it sure.

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What Brad Sherman was talking about was this idea that like, if we didn't pass this bailout,

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uh, severe consequences could come in terms of the economy, fall apart, that sort of thing.

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And which was correct.

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And he talks about like the idea that like, you know, yeah, it is a bit sensationalist

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and people were, you know, it's a game of telephone.

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One guy says, stock market's going down 300, 500.

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Yeah.

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But that's what he was expressing in that speech.

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Like it's been very clear.

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It was on Alex's own show when Brad Sherman explained that this is bad.

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Alex knows that isn't proof of anything.

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What's even weirder is that the very situation that he is citing Brad Sherman for, uh, being

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correct about is the situation that Alex is trying to force.

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Like he's trying to say, everyone should be in a state of constant panic in order for

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these things to occur.

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And so I'm going to create a state of constant panic in order to stop these things, I guess.

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So I actually fucked up when I was cutting these clips, I'd like to apologize for that

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because at this point, I accept your apology because at this point, Alex Jones brings up

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army regulation 210-35, which is the civilian inmate labor program.

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So he brings that up as his like a sort of real serious piece of information.

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And I apologize.

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I wish I had the clip of it.

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He's going to talk about it later so you can hear him talk about it.

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But he starts talking about how this is meant to enslave everybody and all that stuff.

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Who is, who is not?

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Yeah.

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Now, uh, uh, army regulation 210-35 was a plan from 2005 that the army put into place

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where they would take federal prisoners and put them to work on army bases.

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Their reasoning for this was that it would be cheaper for them and it would give the

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inmates a source of meaningful work in quotes.

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So the military had a slave program?

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As well as easing overcrowding in prisons.

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I want to be clear, nothing I'm going to say is in any way advocating this program or saying

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that it's okay, but I am saying Alex is lying about it.

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It's quite frankly, a gross extension of the convict leasing programs that have been used

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to keep slavery around without calling it that and on that principle, I'm strongly against

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it.

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However, Alex should have no fear of this program being used against him.

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In section two dash three paragraph E the document lists the sorts of inmates that aren't

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eligible for the program and getting out of this program would be fucking easy.

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They don't accept any sex offenders, any violent offenders, anyone deemed a flight risk, anyone

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who's been quote involved in drugs within the last three years, even drugs in prison,

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anyone incarcerated for selling drugs, anyone who's had a management problem at another

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facility, anyone who's committed arson, any inmate who's under the treatment for a mental

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disorder.

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The list goes on and on.

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So it's literally just Paul Manafort who is eligible for this program?

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No, because there is another qualification about like being part of a criminal conspiracy.

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So even he wouldn't...

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So even Manafort isn't eligible?

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Yeah.

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The reason they aren't interested in anybody who fits those descriptions is because this

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is about getting cheap labor and people who fit those descriptions have a potential to

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make their labor not so cheap anymore.

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This is a gross evil program.

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But if you read the documents, which I have, it's absurd to think they have any interest

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in anything other than abusive financial arrangements.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They just want slaves.

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And much further to the point, this document from 2005 isn't about starting this program.

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It's clear if you read it that it's been going on a long time.

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No.

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This is what...

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This program is...

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This is what prisons do.

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Right.

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Right.

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So this program is like...

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I'm not saying it's okay because...

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No, no.

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Absolutely not.

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Absolutely not.

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No, this program is literally them spelling out, we want house slaves.

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We don't want people who are going to be a flight risk.

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Well...

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That's brutal.

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Well, the part that's difficult for me...

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That is damning.

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The part that's difficult for me is that I can't quite figure out exactly what the work

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these people would be doing.

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Because I figured it would be like custodial in nature, that sort of thing.

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But at the same time, they talk about it in the document that these people who would be

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used wouldn't be allowed to come into contact with the army people who were there.

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I think it's like digging ditches or something like that.

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Does the army have cotton plantations that we didn't know about?

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I mean, I think it's close.

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I mean, it's got to be something like that.

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It's got to be something like that.

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Because it can't be custodial work because you're not allowed as one of these inmates

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to go into the barracks and the sort of living quarters of the army people.

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I think it has to be just like really shitty construction-y kind of work.

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And of course, I'm against it.

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But what Alex's angle on this should be is protecting the rights of these prisoners as

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humans.

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Not that it's some sort of a thing that's meant to entrap the patriots.

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By talking about this very real thing, the civilian inmate labor program in the way he's

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talking about it, what he does is make a good portion of the opposition to it impotent because

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they're complaining about something that isn't real.

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They're conspiracy theorists yelling about a real thing in a fake way, whereas the real

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way to approach something like this is like, we need to legislate for the rights of these

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prisoners.

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That's fucked up.

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Also, you should see it as an extension of the thing that's going on at the actual prisons.

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This isn't something that is so foreign to just what incarceration is.

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It is a fucked up thing to learn that the army is using slave labor from prisons.

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Everybody should really get on this whole, the 13th Amendment was a good step, not the

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finished product.

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The abolish prisons idea is not a far-fetched idea.

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But also the other thing too is that Alex is perpetuating this idea that they're just

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going to create these false charges to get you into prison so you can get into the slave

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program.

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That's kind of the argument that he's making when complaining about the civilian inmate

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labor program.

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Even if you do believe the worst about this program, that's ludicrous because they don't

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need all that labor.

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At a certain point, we got too many, man.

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I hate to relate this to my playing with civilization, but I love having a builder around.

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Sometimes I end up in a city that has six builders.

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Well, you just got to skip your turn over and over again.

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On a real world level, the idea of incarcerating tons and tons of people in these civilian

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labor programs, you would end up with an excess of labor at that point, and they're not interested

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in that.

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No, and even then, for Alex specifically, if he was, for some reason, by some miracle

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charged with probably technically killing a guy on some manslaughter charge, that's

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a violent crime.

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He still wouldn't be a part of it.

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And I guarantee he would have a, quote, management problem at some facilities.

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Oh, yeah.

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It would be an issue.

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He would be eligible for it.

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Yeah.

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So if you are a patriot and you are afraid of being put into the civilian labor program,

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I would say if you get arrested, punch somebody, now you're not eligible.

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There's a life hack.

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Okay, so there's a problem with the incentive structure for this, I will say that.

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It's crazy.

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This is so stupid.

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It's really like if you want to talk about the substantive issues and the real world

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about this, you have to talk about prison reform.

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You have to talk about like the actual issues on the ground and the fact that this is like

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one of Alex's big pieces of FEMA camp stuff.

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I mean, it's as close as he gets to real, but it's still wrong.

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It's still very wrong.

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Immensely wrong and offensive on so many levels.

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It's not great.

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Because it's minimizing the real problem, which is slaves are still around.

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That's what he's doing.

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He's like, hey, they're going to turn you into slaves without ever saying, hey, we already

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have slaves.

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I don't think I've ever heard Alex say convict leasing.

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Like I don't think I've ever heard you talk about that reality and those programs that

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just serve to continue slavery.

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Man, we still have slaves.

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Does everybody wake up knowing that?

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Because I feel like people don't.

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I think that the people are becoming more aware of that and I think that's a positive

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thing.

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I hope so.

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I think we're getting closer to dealing with that as a reality, but I still think we have

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a long fucking way to go.

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Well, it's like on our last episode whenever I was like, that can't be real that the Republicans,

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blah, blah, blah.

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What do you think?

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It's just apathy?

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And then you're like, well, yeah, obviously it's just apathy.

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I didn't know how to say well, obviously.

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You did that for yourself.

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Exactly.

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But that's clearly the point.

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For so many Republicans, every time they pull out that, we're the party of Lincoln.

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We're the party that freed the slaves.

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And it's like, well, you guys wake up every day with slaves, man.

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It's malicious apathy.

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You don't do it.

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And the Democrats are guilty of it too.

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No, no, no.

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For sure.

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It's not a uni-party- Well, we don't want to appear weak on continuing

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slavery, Dan.

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Sure.

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The Democrats really need to make sure- We need to make a compromise about these

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sorts of things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So suffice it to say, Alex talks about that a little bit at the beginning and I'm sorry

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that I didn't make a clip, but I think you understand why whatever he was saying was

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full of shit and he will talk about it later.

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Yeah.

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And you'll see some of the things he has to say.

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So now at this point, he just talks more about Glenn Beck, says some bullshit, and then realizes

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that though he had his producers getting hundreds of things, he forgot something very important.

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And I get back to this thing about Glenn Beck.

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I mean, it's ridiculous to say that we're not going into tyranny.

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When PDD 51 says the president is a dictator- It doesn't.

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Go read it for yourself.

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I did.

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This is a real Housewives reunion special.

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When the John Ward Defense Authorization Act says the governors serve at the pleasure of

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the president, the Pentagon issued a directive six months ago saying their job is now crowd

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control and that the governors serve at the pleasure of the president.

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They're dual-headed officers and they issued 1404.10, in fact, I forgot to print that for

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this presentation.

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There's just so much racing through my mind I want to document.

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Google that story that we wrote about-

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No, no, no.

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Don't Google the story.

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Aaron knows about it.

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Get him to print it.

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The one about Pentagon creates new civilian force.

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I need that.

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I think it's 1404.

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Google the thing.

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I want to be exact on that.

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Don't Google the source.

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Don't Google the source.

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Oh, this is bad.

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And so we've got all of this here.

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You do have all of this here.

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So look, he's saying that the John Warner Defense Act makes it so governors don't really

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exist and they're just serve at the whim of the president.

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That's nonsense.

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That really sounds like American history.

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I'm pretty sure, as somebody who has just paid a small amount of attention to American

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history, I'm pretty sure that at any point in time the president can just say governors

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are imaginary.

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You're fired.

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Right?

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His best friend, Donald Trump's catchphrase, you're fired, governor.

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Get out of here, governor.

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Nonsense.

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There's language in that bill that the president can send out National Guard troops in states

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of emergency, like if martial law is declared, which previously was up to the will of the

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governor, although it would create a very weird situation if there was a legitimate

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state of emergency and the president requested National Guard troops and the governor said

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nah.

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That would be a weird...

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That would be fascinating.

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That would be an interesting situation.

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I would love to see that conversation happen.

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I don't think so.

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That would mean a whole lot of other shit has gone wrong before that.

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I would also predict, I can't prove this, but I would also predict that every time in

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history that the president has requested a governor pull out National Guard troops, they

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have.

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I don't know...

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I don't know if that's...

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Because I think...

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My point is that I think, generally speaking, if there were like a terrorist attack or if

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there were a horrible natural disaster and the president were to say, I would like National

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Guard troops, the governor would always say yes.

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And saying that the president can bypass that step is not going to functionally change that

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much.

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I understand why people would have a little bit of discomfort with that.

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Maybe there's something worth retaining in saying that the governor and the president

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should coordinate on that.

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Maybe.

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You know what?

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I actually...

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No.

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So I...

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But it doesn't make the governor ceremonial.

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No, no, no.

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Absolutely not.

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The more I think about it, the more I am concerned about how so many norms, when we talk about

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Trump being president, we talk about the violation of so many political norms.

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And that being in there does...

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Because imagine for a moment Trump having some sort of temper tantrum, having some sort

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of temper tantrum.

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Like right before a midterm or something?

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And saying that we're going to send Arizona's National Guard to the border.

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I can't imagine that happening.

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And some...

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Or like New Mexico or one of those states on the border, right?

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And the governor of one of those states is like, hey, no, we can't do that.

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That makes sense.

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I want to keep that one in place.

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I honestly think that there's a middle ground that makes the most sense.

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Do you mean a president not doing it unless it is a necessary emergency?

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No, I don't even think that's the middle ground.

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I think that's the requisite circumstance.

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I think that the middle ground is coordination between the two.

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I don't think the president or the governor should necessarily have final say on it.

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I think it should be some sort of a quorum thing where we balance the respect and responsibility

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and sovereignty of the state with the reality of the situation, the ramifications for other

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states and the citizens of the state.

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And I agree.

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But I think there is a middle ground that is easy to preserve.

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For sure.

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And I think has.

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Absolutely.

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I think it functionally has for the most part.

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And I think the law itself there is more of a backstop of like, hey, if we have a crazy

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fucking president who is just directing National Guard troops anywhere, the governor can be

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like, nah, dude, we can't be doing this.

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You're an adult, I'm an adult, we can't be doing this.

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If the president is so bad and so out of control and the governor is like no National Guard

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troops, that president will just send in the army then.

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We're past the point of like it being controllable by the governor.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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We turn into civil war, then it's the United States versus New Mexico.

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But then, of course, you have the opposite situation where there's a crazy fucking governor

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who is not going to send the National Guard troops out, even though fucking an earthquake

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just destroyed half of Phoenix.

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Right.

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You know, that's where churches come in or charities come in, you know, the private sector

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comes in and fixes everything.

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Cars for kids is absolutely not a front for it.

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Never mind.

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It's super complicated.

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And I don't think I 100 percent support the idea, but I also believe because I've read

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it, I've read the John Warner defense authorization, I'm certainly not in favor of all of it, but

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I don't think that it's that big a deal.

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And I think that it is specifically about catastrophic emergencies.

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Right.

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Like they do talk about like what sort of emergencies would be relevant to this.

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And it's things that would cause massive deaths.

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It would be like it would be a huge deal, like let's say a meteor hit somewhere.

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Yeah.

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I know that's extreme or no matter if fault goes off or something like that.

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That's kind of the idea, though, is that it does have to be extreme enough for everybody

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to kind of agree.

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Or even 9-11.

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You know, like it's something like anything on those levels in terms of, oh, fuck.

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Yeah.

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And I don't think in those instances streamlining who's responsible for decisions is necessarily

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a terrible thing.

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Right.

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Because in it goes back to that whole thing about like you have to do preparation before

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the event.

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Yeah.

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Otherwise the preparation is meaningless and can't do anything.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of like being like, all right, everything is good until a point.

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But when we're past that point, we all need to be working on the same page.

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I kind of understand where that comes from.

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No.

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The thing that this show has really, doing this show, not the show specifically, but

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doing this show has really given me far more appreciation for is the literal language that

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legislators do have to write or these kinds of things.

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And how bad Rob Paul is at that.

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Right.

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And how bad Rob Paul is at that.

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But it is like, yeah, this conversation we're having is one of such specificity that if

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you fuck up the language like a little bit, then you have space for Alex Jones to run

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in and say, the executive branch is overrunning the rest of the fucking government.

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And he's like, dude, you're talking about a versus the, like, come on, man.

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There's layers upon-

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We're trying.

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There's layers upon layers.

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There's like Alex at the bottom with just wild denouncements of nonsense, with misunderstandings

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of language and pretending that everything is a secret code.

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And then there's us with a sort of modicum of understanding and reading comprehension

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and that sort of thing and nuance.

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And then there's a level above that, that like people who really understand policy,

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that they could explain things to us even better.

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And it's just unfortunate that-

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What?

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People could explain things to us, Dan?

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It's just unfortunate that Alex exists here because he's so dumb.

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He's so dumb.

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Yeah.

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I wish there was another way to put it.

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He's just so fucking dumb.

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He's so fucking dumb.

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So the next point that he wants to make gets into religion a little bit because he's still-

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Of course.

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Of course.

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He's trying to make his point-

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We really don't know how that has anything to do with FEMA camps, but continue.

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Well, he's still, look, he's going all over the place because he needs the broad spectrum

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in order to make his point because his point isn't good.

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He has to hit A, B, C, D, and E, and F in order to make point B because point B is flimsy

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as shit.

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Or non-existent.

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All of that alphabet is flimsy, but they're all flimsy and they're not, they look fine

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to the casual observer, and so it'll make B look better when all of them suck.

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Right, right.

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The sum is greater than the parts of the whole.

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That's a good way to put it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And this part stinks.

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And then we're going to really get into all the documentation coming up in the next segment,

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but here are the clergy response teams.

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Back that up about 10 seconds.

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I want them to hear that.

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If martial law ever becomes a reality, it will be the pastors who pacify the public.

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Now remember, secret FEMA program.

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It was secret.

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Shh.

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Don't tell the public.

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We're going to pay you to read this to your flock.

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Tell them take shots, tell them turn their guns in, tell them Romans 13 to submit to

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a government takeover, okay?

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They're paying them to do this.

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That's why your church has got new vans and television sets and suddenly you're hearing

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your preacher say this.

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How creepy and un-American is that?

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Sounds creepy.

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Hey, if your problem is with Romans 13, your problems with the fucking Bible, because it

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does say that all authority on earth is destined by God.

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No, no, no, no.

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They're just going to keep bringing out this, oh, so what, are you going to bring out the

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Bible that they gave to slaves prior to the one where they ripped out all of those passages

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about being free and all of that shit, the ones that was entirely about submitting to

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authority.

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Do you want to give those Bibles out?

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No.

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So this is all based on a guy named Pastor Walt Mansfield who came out and became a whistle

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blower about the government enlisting pastors to indoctrinate their parishioners.

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Sure.

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There's no official confirmation of any of this.

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It's all just coming out of this one dude who I don't trust and we've talked about before

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in the past.

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What Alex fails to point out about any of this, he plays a news clip of, I believe,

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it's Channel 12, K-L-N-A or something like that.

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I don't know.

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If you Google Clergy Response Teams News 12, you'll find the video.

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Just Google Clergy Response Teams and send me all the photos.

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I think it's from Louisiana, but if you go and listen to this, it's a horribly done sort

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of local news clip, but the clip that he's playing, the problem that he doesn't take

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into account is that the pastor that's being interviewed there is a guy named Dr. Durell

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Tuberville, which is an awesome name.

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That is not a real name.

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Dr. Durell Tuberville.

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How dare you?

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How dare you say a name like that and pass it off as a real name?

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But the deal is that Dr. Tuberville, quote, serves as a chaplain for the Shreveport Fire

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Department and Caddo Sheriff's Office.

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He's a government employee, so none of this proves in any way that the government is going

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out and trying to enlist your pastor to turn them against it.

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He is the chaplain for the fire department and sheriff's office.

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Apparently, they're going out and recruiting pastors to pacify the fire department?

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Well, but the interview that they do sounds really scary if you imagine it as being your

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pastor who has been enlisted by a secret FEMA program.

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Well, obviously, my pastor is Joel Osteen, so I assume...

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America's pastor.

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Yeah.

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The, like, what Alex is trying to perpetuate through that clip is this idea that they're,

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you know, they're going in, they're trying to get you to get shots because God would

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want you to and Romans 13 says that you need to.

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The only interview in this whole very poorly made local news production is a guy who works

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for the government.

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So I don't think it proves anything.

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I really don't.

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I've looked...

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I've tried to find any evidence.

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Like Alex talks about the clergy response team is like 20 something thousand preachers

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across the country who are all being paid by FEMA and he has documents to prove it.

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There is nothing.

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There is nothing.

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It is kind of fascinating to hear somebody be like, don't believe the Bible.

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Alex says that a bit though, I think.

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And it's interesting.

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The only place...

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Well, there is the scripture that's like, even the devil can quote scripture.

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There's that one too.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I gotcha.

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The Bible sure has themselves covered coming and going, don't they?

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The clergy response team stuff is a load of bullshit.

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There is nothing behind it.

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So although I will say this, Jordan, if anyone can prove it to me, I will change my position.

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I believe that there is a decent chance, decent chance that something called the clergy response

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team exists, but I will only believe that it is actual preachers who are government

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employees like this chaplain of the fire department and stuff like that.

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People who are, whether or not they are on the payroll, are committed volunteers in the

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government already who serve a role to make sure that people don't get into crazy panics

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in an emergency.

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I believe that's possible.

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I will go so far as to say that it is a show by Dick Wolf.

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That is as far as I will go.

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I would like to see that show.

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I would love to see that show.

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The fin tutuola only carry over a character because iced tea is the best.

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Fine Belzer can come too.

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So you've got to have the bells.

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Come on, man.

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I just think this stuff sucks.

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I just think it's terrible.

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Yeah, because it's bad.

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So at this point, we're about 40 minutes into Alex's actual breakdown of the FEMA camp stuff.

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He has approximately an hour and 20 minutes total to talk about it because Max Geysers

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are coming.

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Right.

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And that's a hard out on proving my point.

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I don't think he's proven it really shouldn't be a hard out.

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I don't think he's proven his point to this stage that we're at.

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I everyone, please feel free to go listen to Alex's April 6th, 2009 episode of his show.

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It's not too hard to find.

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If you want to debunk the idea that I'm not bringing up every substantive thing he talks

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about.

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Sure.

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Go for it.

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He has said so much nonsense, complained about Glenn Beck, obliquely referenced something

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like he did at the beginning when he said the Miami Herald article in the 80s.

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And I said, I can't go on that.

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Yeah.

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Things like that.

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He's spent all of his time doing stuff like that and making these bad arguments.

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He's done nothing to prove to me in any way that FEMA camps are real.

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Absolutely not.

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And more importantly, I think, and I am probably wrong about this.

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Maybe.

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But there has to be some overlap between Alex Jones listeners and Glenn Beck listeners or

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watchers.

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Definitely.

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He hasn't even proven to those people that Glenn Beck is wrong.

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Nor is he actually rebutted anything that Glenn Beck really could say.

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Absolutely.

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Because all he's done is, I think if you want to be the most generous to Alex, I think what

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you'd probably say is like, what he's done is tried to create substantive things like

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the inmate labor clamp program and things like that, that he knows that Glenn Beck won't

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talk about.

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Right.

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So when Glenn Beck doesn't talk about that, he could be like, I told you he'd never touch

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that.

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Of course.

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That's the whole thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I think he's doing that.

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And I think that's good for him.

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Not like it's good, but it's good for what he's trying to do.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think there's that.

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But what I'm saying is we're 40 minutes in and he says this, and this to me is also a

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big problem.

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Oh boy.

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So let's go ahead and go over the stack of news titled FEMA camps.

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Here is the text of HR 645 National Emergency Centers Establishment Act.

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This says the clergy response teams will run these with the feds, the local police will

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be part of it.

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They will have medical care, a nightly movie.

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Nightly movies?

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Nightly.

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Well, it's not that bad.

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Dude.

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Nightly movies?

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40 minutes into his debunking that started an hour and 20 minutes into his fucking show,

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he gets to the stack of news that says FEMA camps.

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That's not good because he hasn't proved shit before this.

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Nope.

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So that's bad.

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And the first thing that he says is HR 645, this bill that involves the clergy response

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teams and nightly movies, it fucking doesn't.

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And it died in committee.

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It was a bill that was super unpopular that this dude had pitched a couple of times before.

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And it didn't create FEMA camps.

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It didn't.

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And I mean, I'm going to say it, it should have accounted for the future domination of

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binge watching.

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Nightly movies?

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Who's going to watch The Wire?

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Who's going to watch The Wire?

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We need nightly binge watching of TV shows.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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When would Homeland have a chance?

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Or Final Table?

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My favorite show ever, Final Table.

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If everybody's watching nightly movies.

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Yeah.

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Nonsense.

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All that isn't in the bill, but the reason that it has never had any traction is largely

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because of the financial problems with it.

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The amount of money that you would need to repurpose a bunch of places into being a place

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where people could go in an emergency and that sort of thing.

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Right.

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Fuck that.

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Fuck that.

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It's a demonstration of lack of preparation, the fact that this HR 645 didn't go through.

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Alex doesn't know that, he should know that at the time, it's dead in committee by the

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time he's talking about it.

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You would hope.

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But it was introduced in like 2005, 2007, 2009, again in 2011, it never went anywhere.

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So the fact that that is what he comes in first with is like, this is the bill that's

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going to do it, not recognizing it's the third volley in an unsuccessful ping pong game.

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That's just sad.

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It's not good.

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It's not good.

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And it gets worse when he gets to his next article in the stack.

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Here we go.

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This is the article.

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One of hundreds.

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In the stack of FEMA camp news.

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It's labeled FEMA camp, this stack.

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Here is a Wall Street Journal, KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385

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million to build three 1 million person FEMA camps in the United States.

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Okay.

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That's an interesting.

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That's an interesting article that he's coming up with.

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This isn't about FEMA camps.

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This is a story about an engineering and construction company being awarded a contract to support

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ICE facilities.

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Also Alex fails to mention that in the article, they point out that KBR also held this contract

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from 2000 to 2005.

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So his timeline really doesn't make any sense anymore.

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Because if it is about the idea of it, like they're trying to create these FEMA camps

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now, well, it had to be going back to at least 2000, which is before 9-11, which 9-11 brought

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in the crisis that, of course, it's all nonsense.

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This is about creating camps to put immigrants in.

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This is not, this isn't, this isn't real.

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This is the wrong atrocity, dude.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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You are, no, no, no, there's an atrocity.

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I get you.

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You could be useful.

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I get you.

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You could be useful.

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No, no, no.

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I'm with you.

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I like your passion.

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But you're not doing it right.

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Shift it.

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Shift it.

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Put it towards.

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Let me be honest, $385 million is nothing compared to.

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In terms of a contract like that?

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In terms, no, no, no.

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I mean in terms of what it would require to create FEMA camps that control the entire

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American population.

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Oh, yeah.

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On the scale Alex imagines?

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Yeah.

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Ridiculous.

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We're talking about trillions of dollars.

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That's a, that's a drop in the bucket.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no.

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$385 million is nothing.

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You can't get lighting in there for $385 million.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely not.

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The idea that he's talking about.

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They would have lighting if they were doing the FEMA camps though.

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They would try to cut corners.

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They would try and cut corners.

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So that's one.

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They would make sure a lot of children die.

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Oh, that hasn't happened.

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So that's, that's a story that Alex is pitching as like KBR has now been given all this money

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in order to create the FEMA camps, not recognizing the contract goes back nine years prior to

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the time that he's talking about this and that it was about ice facilities.

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Now Alex gets to a second story about these contracts that are going around to prove that

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FEMA camps exist and it's kind of interesting.

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Here's the New York Times.

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Halliburton subsidiary gets contract to add temporary immigration detention centers.

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Just like under Rex 84, the documents came out in the eighties.

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They said the cover would be free legal aliens, but it would be a really a martial law takeover

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plan to suspend the constitution and take over the media.

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Several important points there, KBR is a Halliburton subsidiary.

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He's talking about the exact same story and pretend that it's two different stories.

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It's the exact same story.

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Now the bigger picture in that clip is that Alex is saying that Rex 84 will be disguised

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as immigrants coming in, but it would really be a plan to make martial law.

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Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense.

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I'd like to remind everyone that in 2018, Alex said that Trump is initiating Rex 84

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because it was actually, I thought it was about martial law, but it's really actually

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about the immigrants.

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White president!

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A hundred percent.

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It's all about that.

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It's all white.

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And you can see...

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That's the most white whiteness you could white.

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You can see that demonstrated so clearly, especially when he's talking about the exact

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same thing from history.

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When he's talking about Rex 84 in 2009, he's talking about, I have the secret knowledge

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that it's not really about illegal immigrants.

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It's about locking up the Patriots.

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In 2018, when he's saying that Trump is putting Rex 84 into action, he says, look, the reality

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is it appeared to be about locking up the Patriots, but it's actually about making sure

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our borders are secure.

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This is pathetic levels of nonsense.

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This is sad.

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Nonsense.

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It's really sad.

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Nonsense.

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I want him to be better.

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You know what?

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That is a thought that I had repeatedly.

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I really did.

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It was disappointment.

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Look, whatever.

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If I sat down in a debate with Alex Jones, I'd probably lose because he'd scream at me

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and I'd start laughing.

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Honestly, it would probably not go great.

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But at the same time, I want to respect him because he is a monster.

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He's a really bad dude and I'm against him.

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I've made my life about being against him.

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Pretty much.

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I'd like him to be better.

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This is his show where it's legitimately prove FEMA camps.

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You have one objective.

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You go in, it's nose to the grindstone, just fucking do it.

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This is the outcome of the stuff we get.

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It is disappointment.

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There's a huge piece of this that's fucking disappointing.

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This whole thing reminds me so much of an argument with my family.

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Just any argument where it's like, guys, you're my family.

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I want to love you and I want to respect you.

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I'm not sure I'm going to go with that.

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If you're going to be the thing that you're doing, at least do it to the level where I'm

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not bored by you.

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It comes down to- This is shit.

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You're bringing shit here.

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It comes down to over and over again.

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Not necessarily with your family, but with this.

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Nah, it's probably with my family too.

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Maybe with your family too.

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Eh, it's probably with them.

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I want to hire a class of criminals.

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I know.

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Can't handle this level of- Yeah, what are you doing?

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I thought- Okay, I'm going to be honest with you.

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This is a little embarrassing.

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I thought Alex was holding back.

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You poor bastard.

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I thought that there was a chance that for the last two years of episodes that I've been

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listening- That is projection right there.

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I didn't listen to the right episode.

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That is projection.

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I thought that maybe he had a lot of fucking gas in the tank and that the day that he has

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to prove that FEMA camps exist, I'm going to be in trouble because he's actually going

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to prove it.

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No, you thought he was going to pull a U and drop a hammer.

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I did.

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I really did.

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You really did.

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That's projection on your part because you know he's not going to drop a U.

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I didn't- You have hammers.

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I didn't- He's no hammer brother.

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I want to be clear.

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I didn't think that he was going to, but there was a part of me that was kind of afraid of

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it.

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There was a part of me that was- And this is another message.

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Have no fear.

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Yeah, no, totally.

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About bullies and liars and frauds.

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They don't have shit.

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They have nothing.

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All the time that you want to- I think that there's an impulse in polite society and people

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that they just don't want to push back on people who are clearly full of shit because

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you fear conflict and that sort of thing.

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Don't get in fights with people, but don't be afraid of pushing back and stuff like this

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because what's beneath it is this.

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This is Alex's chance.

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This is the day.

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He's supposed to come correct and he doesn't.

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Pathetic.

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So we're still in the Alex's stack of FEMA camp articles.

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Here's another one.

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Also George Bush reopened all the Japanese and German prisoner of war camps in the US

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and put water in, light in, and then just have them set up and ready.

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That was in the CBS News, Bush to preserve World War II internment camps.

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So I mean, I'm not cutting stuff- The same way the Germans preserved fucking

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Auschwitz?

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I'm not cutting out instances where he says good points or anything like that.

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I'm just choosing all the points where he says something specific I can look into.

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So this is another one.

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This is actually correct on this one, that Bush allocated funds to preserve internment

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camps, but the same article explains that, quote, the money will be administered by the

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National Park Services to restore and pay for research at 10 camps.

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The law is intended to help preserve the camps as a reminder of how the United States turned

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on some of its own citizens at a time of fear.

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So literally like Auschwitz.

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Yes, 100%.

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Literally like Germany preserved Auschwitz.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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The plan was to turn them into historic sites run basically as museums of history by the

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National Park Service.

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At the time of Bush's financing, two of the 10 camps from World War II already served

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this purpose.

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The plan was just to expand it to the other ones.

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So this is not, there's no fucking piece of this at all that is Bush is trying to reopen

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these camps.

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He's trying to preserve them as a piece of history that we can all learn from, which

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I think is actually super valuable.

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To the point where you wish they were publicized more, so more people would visit them and

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be like, oh right, America's not that great.

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But America not being that great isn't an indication that you hate America or anything

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like that.

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Absolutely not.

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And I think that's a fine distinction that's important.

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I agree.

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And I think in order to make America as good as it can be, we do need those sorts of things.

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We do need those museums of the horrible things that we've done.

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We need to own our shame and wear it on our sleeves.

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I referenced it, I referenced it earlier, but the slave Bible, there are like four copies

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in America.

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Like the slave Bible is a really, really damning and important piece of history because you

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need to understand it.

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You look at that and you say, oh, well the Christians and they were against slavery.

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And you know, you know that these people went into the fucking Bible, which you think is

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so fucking important, removed every passage about any kind of freedom.

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Every single part of that Bible that's mentioned, maybe you shouldn't be a fucking slave.

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They removed and gave it to slaves.

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They used the religion as a weapon.

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Purposefully.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's America.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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They used religion as a weapon against freedom and against equality and those sorts of things

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in the same way that using patriotism as a weapon against equality and everyone being

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people during internment camps.

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And I think that there is value to that.

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It's not demonizing religion and it's not demonizing patriotism in order to just own

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up to those things and celebrate.

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I don't mean celebrate like hurrah, but celebrate in a sense of like understanding those pieces

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of our history.

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Denying them just ends up creating Nazis.

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Well and if you want to, if you want to say how great your fucking Bible is, then you

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also have to accept that there are people always trying to alter the Bible to make it

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do what they want it to do.

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The simple awareness of the...

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What that Bible do.

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Whoa!

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That's what I text people on Tinder.

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What that Bible do.

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Do you do?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Jesus up?

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Sorry.

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That was an example of me derailing you with a joke.

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Oh, isn't that surprising?

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The tables have turned.

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How?

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How?

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So Jordan, we have seen some things that Alex has brought into his argument here.

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Right.

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We've seen, uh, I mean all lies, but yeah, you're giving things a lot of weight in that

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sentence.

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Things can mean anything.

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I know, but...

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Alex has used words.

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They're all words.

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I was going to say, things almost suggest substantial things.

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That's like saying, we've seen Alex use a lot of ghosts where you're like, well, I get

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what you're saying.

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I think I fucking made it very clear at the beginning of this that there is no substance.

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But I do think he said things, you know?

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I think the civilian inmate labor program is a thing, and I think there's a better conversation

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to have about it.

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He's having his, and God bless you.

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Right.

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Which it was called the civilian, we're slaves now, you know?

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Yeah.

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PDD 51 is a real thing.

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He's lying about it.

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Right.

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These news articles, the Miami Herald article, the KBR article, like all this stuff is like,

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he's lying about them.

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But now we're going to pivot into government business.

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Oh, that's trouble.

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Because Alex has some executive orders he wants to talk about.

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Oh, no.

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And this actually is probably like, it tickled me more than a number of things I've ever

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discovered on this podcast.

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Now I thought I would go over executive orders for you.

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Executive orders.

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In fact, you can just Google executive order 11,000.

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This has been reaffirmed by every subsequent president.

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What does that mean?

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Pressing emergency preparedness functions to the secretary of labor.

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Okay.

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And this is just one of the executive orders.

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You can go read 11,000 for yourself, allows the government to mobilize civilians in the

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work brigades under government supervision.

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You can go read that if you'd like to.

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So this is an executive order from JFK, who I thought Alex said was the last real president.

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So anti-globalist and trying to take down the federal reserve that they had to kill

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him.

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But here he is enslaving the public.

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He put out, JFK did put in executive order 11,000.

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It was really nice of him to make it a nice even number.

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I mean, that was a coincidence, but that's just timing.

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Yeah, that's great.

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So Alex has to believe in his conception.

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If he believes this to be true, he's wrong about it.

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But if he believes it to be true, then JFK has to simultaneously be the president who

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was put out an executive order that was going to cripple the federal reserve, which led

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to him being murdered by the evil forces under the sway of the federal reserve.

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And he put out an executive order that in essence enslaved the American public.

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You take the good with the bad.

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The rough with the smooth or whatever.

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Like this is nonsensical.

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Also this order was overturned by Nixon's executive order 11 for 90.

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And also it's in no way binding today.

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Would have been nicer if it was 11,001.

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But I'll accept that.

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I'll accept that.

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You know what?

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JFK was still around for 11,001.

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11,001?

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Yeah.

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Also.

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There's the no backsies executive order?

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Seat back.

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Even if it hadn't been overturned and all that stuff, and even if it were still binding

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today, it had zero to do with forcing citizens to do anything, even in emergency situations.

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That executive order 11,000, it was guidelines and instruction on how best to use civilian

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manpower that was available in a crisis.

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Section 4C of that executive order even lays out creating payment incentives for people

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to join the civilian labor force.

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Quote, develop plans and procedures for wage and salary compensation and death and disability

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compensation for authorized civil defense workers.

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And as appropriate, measures for unemployment payments, reemployment rights, and occupational

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safety and other protections and incentives for the civilian labor force during an emergency.

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This is about non-government employees, like non-military employees.

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Civilian in this term is not, I'm going to conscript you into this service.

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It is non-military government employees.

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It's like, hey, we should probably pay people in an emergency.

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Well, no, but it's, yes, there is that, but it's also how best to use the resources that

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are available.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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They aren't military people during a crisis.

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Right.

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It has literally nothing to do, like the executive order talks a lot about like using civilian

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manpower in a crisis situation, but understood correctly, it's not talking about like, let's

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get all the civilians to do that.

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It's not like shaking down your apartment building and using you all to dig a ditch.

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Right, right, right.

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It's not that.

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No, no, no.

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It's about non-military government employees, civilians.

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It's kind of like women during World War II.

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Like they were like, okay, well, we conscripted all the men to send them off to fight.

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So how about you guys build bombs and shit?

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Like I get it.

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They never forced women to do that.

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No.

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They were encouraged through PR campaigns, but there wasn't a conscription of women into

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like working in a factory.

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If you didn't want to, you didn't.

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This is all like, this is crazy to me.

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First of all, like I know I already made this point, but I can't fucking get over it.

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The idea that Alex is just throwing this out without bringing up the idea that JFK did

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this.

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Like it's an executive order.

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It's not like he didn't do that.

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Like it's an executive order.

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Like he has all the control in the world over what executive orders he puts out.

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That is part of being the president.

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It has something to do with it.

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Unless they had a gun to his head.

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It wasn't to his head.

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But it was also way before that.

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This is nonsense, man.

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From a propaganda standpoint, this is a really, really big problem because it undercuts so

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much of the other propaganda that he needs to put into the world.

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Because he's not talking about the Federal Reserve nonsense on this episode, he's just

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talking about the FEMA camp stuff.

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He can imagine that all that stuff doesn't still exist, but it does.

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It really, really does.

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And so for him to believe that JFK was such a threatening president to the globalists

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who are in charge of the Federal Reserve and also putting in FEMA camps, it just doesn't

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make sense.

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They got the whole back.

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It just doesn't make sense.

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I wish he was a DB- None of this makes sense.

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She was a Dragon Ball Z fan, so it could have been like, it's over 9,000!

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The executive order?

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Yeah.

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That'd have been great.

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Well, I got that news.

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It'd have been fun.

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He also talks about a couple other executive orders.

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Oh, boy.

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So executive order 10,990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and

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control of highways and seaports.

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That's been reaffirmed under PDD 51, under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act and

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others.

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Executive order 10,995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

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That's now been put in by the emergency alert system.

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It goes on like that for quite a while.

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Let me ask you a question.

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Quite a while.

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Real quick.

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Yeah.

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How far into Obama's presidency are we?

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Do you mean when this episode was recorded?

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Yeah.

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So we're at-

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Two months?

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Two and a half months?

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We're at two and a half months?

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Beginning of April, he was inaugurated on January 20th.

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But again, it's not about Obama.

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No, no, no, no.

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I know.

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But essentially what he's saying is that Obama has accelerated these programs that have been

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in place for 50 plus years.

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And most of them have already been undone.

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Yeah.

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Like executive order 10,990, that executive order didn't allow the takeover of all the

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roads and shit like that.

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Pretty sure it did.

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What it did is it reestablished a council to oversee the safety of civilian federal

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government employees.

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That's why it was made moot by the issuance of executive order 11612 in 1971 titled, quote,

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occupational safety and health programs for federal employees.

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Yeah.

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But Carter did that.

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So it didn't count.

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No, that was-

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Oh, no, that was Ford.

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Yeah.

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That would have been Ford.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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Apologies.

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Apologies, everyone.

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Executive order 10995 that he brought up.

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This doesn't facilitate the takeover of the media.

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It's about emergency broadcast messages.

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Trump is forcing people to get cell phone messages like texts.

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Is he?

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Yeah, he is.

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No shit.

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Yeah.

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Oh, boy.

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You were-

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I've never gotten one.

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Your phone was free of that.

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But I got-

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Yeah.

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I got that weird like Trump-

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Really?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Oh, that's fucked up.

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Yeah.

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Alex had nothing to say about that.

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Totally cool with it.

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I don't see how tornado warnings are creepy tyranny if you're fine with all that.

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Who gives a shit?

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Also, that executive order specifically says, quote, nothing contained in this order shall

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be deemed to impair any existing authority or jurisdiction of the Federal Communications

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Commission.

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So there's checks and balances in play even in that executive order.

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Yeah.

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Also, that executive order was revoked on September 4th, 1970 by executive order 11556.

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Now here's the bigger picture.

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What was Ford up to?

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Ford or Nixon.

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Nixon did a number of them too.

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Oh, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Man, my timeline is rough right now.

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Apologies.

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Here's the bigger picture.

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These executive orders that he's reading off, he reads off like 12 of them.

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It's insufferable.

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In order to confuse and annoy you.

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A little bit.

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Yeah.

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But what it did is actually give me a window into where he was getting the information

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from.

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Oh, if he's rattling off a series of executive orders, that suggests that somebody else has

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already compiled these series of executive orders that suggests that somebody has already

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put together a list of these executive orders suggesting what Alex is already about to say.

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You can look up who has compiled this kind of list of orders before and what their motivations

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are.

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Dan, I assume you have not done that and you have done zero research at all because this

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is not really RMO, right?

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Alex is literally reading off a chain email.

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No, no.

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His wording about what the executive orders say is literal.

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It's exactly word for word.

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One to one.

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One to one from a chain email that you can find on factcheck.org.

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So please, don't think that Alex has any research capabilities at all or knows anything.

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He's literally on this episode reading off something your grandma might have sent you.

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Like this is ridiculous because these executive...

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Forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward.

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The government's coming to kill you.

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Like this is embarrassing levels of shit.

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Like you understand?

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Yeah.

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I was reading off this long list of executive orders and I Googled it early on and figured

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out...

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I was trying to figure out like where this is coming from because I don't believe that

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an executive order put out in the 70s made all roads under the...

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It doesn't sound right.

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We now control everything.

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It doesn't sound right.

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Because if it is true, then it also seems like the government, like why haven't they

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done that now?

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Like why has it been 40, 50 years that they've had control of everything and then been like,

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we'll chill on this.

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The snake knows when the time to strike is.

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How much slow playing do you need to do?

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Like that's what I'm saying.

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So I looked into it and the executive orders, I saw like the first three of them that he

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said, I'm like, oh, that doesn't say anything that even close to what he's saying.

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How can that be?

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Right.

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And so I found this factcheck.org article about this chain email that went around demonizing

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Obama in the early 2009 timeframe.

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And it is...

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Wait, so is there a similar time period where we're in right now?

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What do you mean by that?

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Oh, this episode?

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So there's this chain email that went around in early 2009.

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What time period are we in?

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Early 2009.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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So this chain email has a list of executive orders and descriptions of what they are.

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The descriptions are not correct.

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They don't do those things.

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But Alex literally is reading off that.

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You can, like, it's crazy for me to try and describe what I mean by this, because I'm

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not going to play that clip again or anything like that, but as I was hearing him read the

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next like five executive orders, I was like, oh, there's that.

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Oh my God.

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It's almost like a script.

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He's just reading a chain email.

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He's really just reading a chain email.

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A hundred percent.

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God damn it.

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A hundred percent.

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What we should have been angry at this whole time is Alex's grandma.

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I don't know if she, no, cause she, uh, she was soft killed by a vaccine.

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Oh, that's right.

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Why do I know that?

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I don't know.

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I suppose what we should have been angry at is Alex's mom kicking his chain emails off

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of his knee whenever she was growing up.

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Anyway, Alex reads a bunch of these, uh, executive orders, which are all spurious and they're

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all just, he's reading a chain email.

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He has done no research into any of these.

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He hasn't read the executive orders themselves.

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If he had, he would know that most of them don't say the things that he's saying they

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do.

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Uh, but then he says this, I've covered some executive orders.

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Now I want to get more into the FEMA camps themselves and how they're set up versus the

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strawman arguments where Beck and others point to people that have wrongly identified some

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installations as FEMA camps when they aren't.

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Stay with us.

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I'll, I'll keep, I'll stay with you.

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So would he say, what he's saying is that like, uh, Hey, I've covered these executive

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orders.

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Now we're going to get to the FEMA camp stuff.

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Yeah.

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Stop doing that.

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This is all supposed to be about the FEMA camp stuff.

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You shouldn't be diverted at all.

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I really continue to forget that this entire episode, every time we do it, every time we

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do an episode where it's like, okay, he has gotta be focused about this one thing, trying

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to do this episode.

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It's like, wait, are you for real?

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This is what the episode is about.

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And honestly, that mirrors my experience of listening to it and, and like, and experiencing

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it because I do also be like, wait, we're doing the FEMA camp episode, right?

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I understand that you want to talk about troops on the street, right?

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I understand that you want to talk about gun grams.

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I agree.

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I get it.

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Big deal.

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It's not, that's B we're talking about a, you know, like this is this, oh, now I'm interested.

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Has he ever focused on one topic?

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I mean, he's trying.

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No, no, I mean, but like, have we ever, well, we're two years into this.

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I would say the closest was that episode, that disgraceful, uh, pedophilia episode with

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the Sawman.

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Oh yeah.

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2017.

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Yeah.

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But that one, but even then that one, it was like, because that, but I don't, it was just

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the way for him to ramble on about 10 million different other topics, but he was pretty

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on point.

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You stay, he stayed pretty close to the Harbor in that.

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That's fair.

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The only reason that that comes to my mind so much is like, it's one of the times that

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it's really stuck out in my head that he did a show almost entirely about one thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And this is sometimes like, I think it was in, uh, this is in 2015, he did that, uh,

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episode where he pretended he was going to jump the shark and ironically argue for the

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ban of Muslims in America.

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Right.

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I think he tried to do that then, but he failed because that episode was all over the place.

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You know what?

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I think that reminds me of my, uh, I'm changing it.

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Oh, I'm changing it.

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Get, get out of here, Ozymandamus.

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That reminds me, that reminds me of my favorite moment of 2018 is us hearing him say, uh,

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or the caller being like, Oh, Hey, how's he doing?

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And him being like, Oh, he's dead now.

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Colonel John DeGran Prix.

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I'm a big fan of dead Don DeGran Prix.

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That's pretty great.

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That might've been the hardest I've laughed while like just listening to Alex's show.

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So I think that does deserve pretty solid, pretty solid.

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What's up there if we're making a, um, we're making a 2018, uh, Mount Rushmore that's in

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there that, uh, the, uh, bill Ayers is in there.

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For sure.

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Ozymandamus.

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For sure.

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That's the Mount Rushmore of 2018.

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Yeah.

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I think we got our top four.

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There we go.

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Um, Facebook group vote.

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So like, I just think this is really bad.

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He's doing this very poorly.

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Yeah.

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Um, I feel like I've lost a little bit of my interest in talking about how badly he's

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doing it.

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Yeah.

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Which also interestingly mirrors my experience of listening to this episode.

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I came in guns blazing, pens blazing, just like I'm taking notes, I'm 45 minutes into

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him starting to talk about FEMA camps.

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I was like, boo, boo, and I'm not booing him saying things I disagree with.

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I'm booing him doing it poorly.

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It's terrible.

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It's just really bad.

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And when I, the reason I'm deeply ashamed that I forgot that clip about the civilian

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inmate labor program earlier is because when he gets back from break, when he says, I've

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covered these executive orders, we're going to get back into the program.

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When he comes back from break, this is what he brings up.

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And I thought this is the white flag of surrender.

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I have nothing.

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Glenn Beck will not talk about this.

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Civilian inmate labor camp program, army regulation, two 10 dash three five.

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Now, this grows all the time.

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In fact, put it up on screen guy.

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If you only heard that as the first time he's bringing it up, it seems like this is a coup

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de gras or something right now we could still talk about it and I could explain why it's

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not and all that stuff, but it's not, this is him bringing it back up half an hour later

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after he's already talked about it, he's bringing it up as if it's new information to the conversation

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that he's having.

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And now listen to how he talks about it guys and just roll through the pages for folks.

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Now this is the big piece of news.

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It's not news.

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This is to establish setting up prison labor camps, negotiations with correctional systems

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representing representatives to establish prison camps, governing criteria, civilian

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inmate labor camps, policy statement, governing provisions for operating civilian inmate prison

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camps on army installations, procedures for establishing a civilian inmate prison camp

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on army installations.

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He's just reading the headings, the bold print that's in there.

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He has no ability to have a conversation about what's in there cause he hasn't read it.

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If he has, he doesn't have the information available.

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He's not equipped to have a conversation about what is in that document, what it means.

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That to me is incredibly telling.

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This is the second time it's been brought up in terms of this whole FEMA camp debunking.

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It's his big news.

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It's not news.

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This is four years after this has come out and what have you.

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And he isn't conversant in it.

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That to me is a real fucking problem.

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If you have a, like a propagandist, like a mild Yiannopoulos or like a, like a Cernovich

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or something like that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Or even Pessobic probably.

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A poor propagandist.

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Generally speaking, they aren't going to wade into waters that they don't know something

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about.

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Right.

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They'll try and deflect away from it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, the conversation is real.

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Oh, no, no.

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Oh, oh, you're going to bring up that?

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That's not what we're really talking about.

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What aboutism?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's not what aboutism, that's a part of it, but also slippery.

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You'll never pin me down into taking an actual position on whatever it is is real.

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Except the thing I'm prepared to talk about and that thing I'm going to have X, Y or Z

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narrative about.

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Right, right.

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It's like a Republican debate.

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When I see this sort of behavior from Alex, when I see him have the civilian labor camp

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program document on camera and he's just reading the headings on it with no analysis, no seeming

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awareness of what it's talking about, nothing, I just see a shell.

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I see an angry, certainly loquacious shell.

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It's just someone who's good at fucking rambling and doing stuff, but no one has forced him

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to do this.

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No one has forced him to sit down and prove- God forced him, Dan.

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God didn't force him to prove that FEMA camps exist.

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That sounds wrong.

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But he's fucking trying and he's failing so hard.

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His biggest piece of evidence that he brought up at the beginning of this and brings up

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as the big news, he doesn't even understand.

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He doesn't know how to have a conversation about it.

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And that to me is deeply depressing.

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So he's trying his best through this and- You say that.

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As we get to this point in his debunking, he's just got to throw whatever spaghetti

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he can at the wall and he brings up a narrative that we have seen recently.

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This is a new one.

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So that's part of the preparation.

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Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April.

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This is going on scale back now.

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It says in this article going door to door asking they can search homes looking for weapons.

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And they practice raiding the local gun shop.

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This is for domestic operations.

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The only way you would ever have that perception is if you read the Infowars article about

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it.

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Yeah.

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Because that's not what happened.

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It was a military.

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It was an exercise.

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Yeah.

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Everyone was in on it.

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This is all a bunch of nonsense.

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That one's such a bummer.

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That's weak.

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That's weak.

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That's a bummer.

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That's a bummer.

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To the point where to the point where you're like, fuck, man, come on, just leave that

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one out.

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Leave it out.

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You've already got nothing.

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Don't add less than nothing to it.

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And that one happened two weeks ago or something like that in in the timeline in 2009, right?

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Like we covered that like this isn't like this shouldn't be a piece of your mythology.

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No.

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You're talking about FEMA camps and you're going back to executive orders that Kennedy

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put out.

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Right.

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You have a 50 year span to get your information from.

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And one of the things you're going to throw out is a lie from two weeks ago.

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Yep.

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You are fucking dead in the water.

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This sucks.

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This sucks.

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Yeah.

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So bad.

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Yeah.

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So at this point, I'm going to say he's done his bit like this is it.

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Oh, that was it?

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I mean, we're not done.

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Oh, OK.

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So I assume that if two more clips, I assume that Glenn Beck exploded in a fire of preemptive

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debunking.

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Now, I should I'll I'll talk about Glenn Beck's piece a little bit.

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I was thinking about pulling clips from his debunking.

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Now, I'm good without ever boring.

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I'm really good without ever hearing him again.

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His version of it was he had this guy from Popular Mechanics on.

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But by the way, spoiler alert, I didn't pull this clip.

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But Alex is like Popular Mechanics.

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They were so wrong about 9-11.

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I'm like, Alex, you.

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That is not a criticism you can levy against Popular Fucking Mechanics.

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No, you can't.

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They were involved in debunking.

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They were involved in 9-11?

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They were involved in a lot of Saudi Arabia owners of Saudi Arabia funds the opposition

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to mechanics.

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OK, fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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They did some articles about the ideas about the sort of physics of 9-11 conspiracy theories

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being wrong.

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Now, it's a great issue with that.

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And so the idea is that he's saying that, like, they were wrong about 9-11.

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And to that I rebut.

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How many versions of loose change have existed, Alex?

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Is it more than five?

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Because it is.

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Wait.

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Uh, one, there's a lot of information that you threw at me.

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Sorry about that.

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One, Popular Mechanics ran a debunking 9-11 conspiracy theories.

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Well, they're into mechanics.

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They're into like engineering.

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Yeah, no, no, I get that.

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The idea of, like, construction.

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These arguments that are being made about, like, the idea that this building couldn't

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fall at X, Y, or Z speed.

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Right, right.

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See, now I'm more interested...

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It's relevant to the academic end of...

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That's on me.

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I'm way more interested in reading Popular Mechanics now, because I assumed that it was

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very close to, like, a bodybuilding magazine, but it's just for mechanics instead of...

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It's somewhere in the middle.

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Gotcha.

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Like, there's a lot of shit articles and stuff like that.

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Right.

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There is also...

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There's also some...

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It's a magazine.

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Magazines have shit articles.

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I get it.

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I'm not going to bat for Popular Mechanics.

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No, I mean, I get it.

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I'm going to bat against Loose Change, Alex's documentary.

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Like he produced the documentary, and like the idea that he's saying that they were wrong

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about 9-11, and then in the same breath, being fine with doing what he did about 9-11, when

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Loose Change had to keep redoing what their movie was, because their shit kept being proven

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wrong.

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Right.

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Like, you understand, that's what Loose Change did.

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That's why there's...

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Oh, oh, no, no, no.

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I thought you meant in like an ab...

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There's six versions of it.

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I thought you meant in an abstract sense of like, oh, you made Loose Change, but other

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people have made the same documentary.

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No.

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You mean that there were literally six different versions of Loose Change, because it was so

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wrong.

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Yep.

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Gotcha.

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I did not understand that whatsoever.

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It kept happening.

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That's brutal.

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Dylan Avery and Jason Burmas was involved as well.

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They kept making new versions of it, because things were like, that can't stand.

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And so they just kept making new versions of it.

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I appreciate that impulse.

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And Alex is fine with like, my name is very clearly associated with that in terms of the

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legacy of 9-11 Truth.

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I'm not going to say the Popular Mechanics is all right.

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I'm not going to say they're right on all fronts.

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But I'm going to say that I'm going to side with them over that.

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So Glenn Beck has this guy from Popular Mechanics on, and their interview is fucking boring

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as shit.

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Alex is fairly close to correct in the predictions that he makes about like, the idea that they're

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going to go to these FEMA camps that aren't FEMA camps and stuff like that, these videos

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online that everyone says are FEMA camps.

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This was Mark from New York's plan all along.

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Yeah.

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And to get his kids back.

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That's step three.

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That's step three, for sure.

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So there is like, there is that kernel of like, I think if I were Alex in 2009, and

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I were gambling man, and I didn't have a mole in Glenn Beck's format.

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I didn't have a Mark.

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Yeah.

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I would probably just bank on like, he has to do a TV show.

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He's not going to get into the weeds.

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He's not going to do anything super sensational.

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He's only got so much time.

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He doesn't have, say, four hours plus whatever discretionary time period that he wants in

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order to broadcast the reality of the situation.

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He's just going to respond to the most popular internet things about this.

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Right.

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What are the most popular internet things about it?

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They're fake videos of people going to fake FEMA camps.

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Of course.

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So I don't think, I wouldn't think that there's any threat from Glenn Beck.

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There is just a necessity to do something.

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No there's only insecurity.

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There's no threat.

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He could have run a, after Glenn Beck's episode, he could have run a whole long list of like,

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here's Glenn Beck's point, and then I'm going to deflect away from it and do that.

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I would argue that's even unnecessary.

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No it's absolutely unnecessary, but in terms of pettiness, it makes way more sense than

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to preemptively be wrong at Glenn Beck?

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He's not wrong about his predictions about what Glenn Beck is going to say.

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He's wrong about all of the things he's saying.

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See that's what I'm saying.

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He's preemptively wrong about all the things that he's saying.

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If I were his advisor, if I was his worm tongue, I would be like, don't even worry.

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We gotta stop.

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Don't worry about this.

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We gotta stop giving him advice.

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It doesn't matter, it's in the past.

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Even in 2009.

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We gotta stop.

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We've been giving him advice for so long.

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I would be like, don't even worry about this.

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Put on some sunglasses and be like Spuds McKenzie, get drunk in studio and just be like, Glenn

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Beck sucks.

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It doesn't matter.

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Ride it out.

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Hey, hold on 2018 Dan, don't talk to 2018 Alex.

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Take the high ground of just being cooler than him because you can't prove your points.

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It's been demonstrated.

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Well, because they're not true.

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That's a part of it.

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That's a problem.

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Those two things come together to make a very serious problem for your argument.

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Don't try a triple Lindy if you can't land it.

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That's kind of the argument I would make to Alex.

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I feel like you just invalidated cool runnings.

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I feel like Alex is now the Jamaican bobsled team, Dan, and you are ruining it for everyone.

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Here's the problem with your metaphor.

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Those people worked hard, trained, and then attempted skills relevant to being a bobsled

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team.

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That's true.

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The reason that no one said that Jamaica could have a bobsled team was that it was absurd

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to think they could not because they didn't have the goods they could run.

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There were like a wheeled cart, all of the relevant skills and the training is possible.

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I think that Alex just doesn't have the goods.

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This is a zero.

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I know that I'm just like...

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Here's the problem for me.

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Yeah.

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What's the problem for you?

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My problem is that I think that we're giving the real lay of the land.

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We're giving the topography here and all that, but there's so much more in all the stuff

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I've cut out, all the stuff is just unsubstantive, random bullshit.

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I assure you of that.

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I just want to be clear because we have heard nothing here, like literally we've heard nothing.

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That's why I'm getting really defensive about this and not on my sake.

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It's because Alex has done an hour and 20 minutes of talking about his defensive FEMA

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camps and all we've heard is him moving the goalposts, mentioning executive orders that

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he got from a fear chain email that aren't real.

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We've heard news stories that are about different things, not about the things he's talking

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about.

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We've heard a couple of oblique references to the Iran-Contra scandal.

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We've heard the civilian inmate labor program, which is a different conversation you should

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be having.

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None of this is real.

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You're concerned that the fact that you're putting together a damning indictment of

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the fact that he has nothing to say is going to come off as though it was you editing it

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in such a way that it looks like he has nothing to say, as opposed to him actually have nothing

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to say.

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Yes, 100%.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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Because it would be so easy to do that.

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No, no, no.

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And if this was your first, like, look, we have done, I don't, it's our New Year's episode.

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It's our New Year's episode.

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We might as well say we've done two years of this shit.

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If this was your moment to suddenly betray all of our trust, it would be a real, real

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coup d'etat.

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It would be an amazing fucking turn for you.

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If you would, it's you holding pocket aces for two years of the goddamn world series

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of bokers.

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It would be bananas.

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Now I'm turning it into NWO, it's me, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, there you go.

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People like wrestling references and I haven't done one in a while.

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No, I know, I understand that, but the only reason I bring this up is, for me, I honestly

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think that this is maybe a, like, eh, episode of our show in terms of importance.

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But this is a varsity level episode of Alex's show.

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This needs to be where he comes correct.

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And I don't want anyone to think that I'm misrepresenting this.

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Like I know that I just keep coming back to this.

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You articulated it perfectly.

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It's just, I have to stress, I'm not.

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The stuff that is not included in the clips is so boring, stupid nonsense of him just

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randomly referencing dumb shit that isn't specific.

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All the stuff like, I have secret documents, blah, blah, blah, that sort of stuff.

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So we get to this point and Alex says this, which stinks.

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And I've gone over most of this, you know, there's a lot of other pieces of news I haven't

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gotten into.

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There's a lot in association with all of this, but I've shown you the New York Times and

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the Wall Street Journal admitting camps, I've shown you Senate hearings, I've shown you

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Congress threatened with martial law.

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He's shown you the New York Times and Washington Post, all these things, like those, that's

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the references to like the KBR articles and stuff like that.

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And Brad Sherman is his only reference to Congress being threatened with martial law.

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Also Jim Inhofe, but it's the exact same situation.

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And Jim Inhofe is a piece of shit, sure.

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They don't do what they're told.

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I've shown you all the documents where they're getting the states ready for martial law.

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They've reintroduced the National Compulsory Service under H.R. 1444, it says for mandatory

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national service, Defense Department announces civilian expeditionary workforce in Pentagon

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Directive 1404.10.

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I mean, don't just sit there and say, I'm making this up, go to the Army's website,

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go to the Pentagon.

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It says management retains the authority to direct and assign civilian employees either

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voluntarily or involuntarily or on an unexpected basis to accomplish DOD mission.

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So see, they're saying they're going to create a seven million man, that was in the New York

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Times, the Congress said-

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A seven million man?

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I could say a million, because Obama said as big as our Army, as big as the military,

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that'd be a million people.

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They say seven million now and that they're going to draft you into this and they'll decide,

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no more draft boards, if you stay here or you go overseas.

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And it's 1404.10.

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This is just that Department of Defense Directive 1404.10 talked about, he's misrepresenting

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what civilian means.

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It's non-military employees that work for the Department of Defense.

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They can be drafted, drafted in heavy quotes, in order to, essential personnel can be made

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to go overseas.

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Like literally the ones who are fucking unpaid as we speak.

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Or you can, oh, that's a good point.

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But also, but also even in 2009, all this, when this was happening, like if you don't

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want to do that, you can quit.

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It's a job.

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Yeah.

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It's a part of the Department of Defense's-

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It's still a gig.

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Yep.

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It's not forcing you into anything.

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It's nonsense.

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The idea that he's saying that, first of all, they're going to draft civilians into it is

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a misunderstanding of the word civilian in there.

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And then secondarily, are you kidding me?

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The fucking idea that they're trying to create some sort of a group of people that's seven

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times the army, seven times the army of our country, the biggest, the biggest most funded

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army in the world.

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We're going to create a seven times that for Obama's-

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Hold on.

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Excuse me, Colonel Fuckface.

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I'm not going to go to Iraq.

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I'm not going to do your fucking dirty bidding.

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I quit.

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Okay.

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Oh, is that really how it works?

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I think it is.

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Yeah.

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I think we just role played exactly how that works.

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Oh, okay.

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I mean, I could still use a paycheck though, so like, can you reassign me?

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Well, we're going to do our best to make sure you don't have to go because it sounds like

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you have a problem with the idea.

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Right, right, right.

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Could you put me in a different department?

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Well, you are essential personnel, so maybe you could accept a position that's at a sort

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of a slightly less essential, you'd have to take a pay cut probably, but probably arrange

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that.

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And I suppose my principals do demand that I move departments.

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Is that cool?

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I guess so.

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I guess so.

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Oh, okay.

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So what about this Alex Jones character?

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Is he fucking with me?

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He's not on the level.

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Okay.

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Well then in that case, can I go back to my old job?

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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Okay, cool.

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I think that's how it would go.

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All right.

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We've had a great time.

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I'm not an improv guy.

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I don't think you need to.

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I think that was a literal one to one.

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But I also think, I think what's really interesting about that last clip is that you can tell

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at the beginning of it at least that Alex thinks he's proved his point.

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Like he really thinks that I have done it.

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I've made this clear.

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I've shown you all this stuff and he hasn't shown anybody anything.

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His pride in how spectacularly wrong he has been is kind of admirable in a certain sense.

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It's deeply fucked up.

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Yes.

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Because of how bad all of this stuff is.

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Yeah.

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Like how flimsy all of it is and how nothing.

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Yeah, flimsy suggests that there is something to flim.

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He has brought nothing.

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So here is the last clip and Alex makes his closing remarks.

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And I think that this is a really interesting clip and it's rare that I will say Mike down

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for a last clip.

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Ooh, that's surprising.

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I need you to hear all of this because what it does is it ties together why we were talking

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about that murder at the beginning of the episode and how that relates to Alex Jones

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talking about the FEMA camp stuff.

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You are so good at bringing the hammer.

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You can read the civilian inmate labor camp program document, army regulation 210-35.

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I mean, come on, don't be lazy.

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Google it right now.

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You'll be at army.mil.

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I did that.

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I mean, you want to see the facts.

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Go right ahead.

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There it is.

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I mean, all I'm doing is researching this all day long.

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And what do I get?

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I get the raw story and a bunch of other magazines and newspapers saying I'm crazy.

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It says that the cop killer got his ideas from the off the wall Alex Jones prison planet

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saying that U.S. troops in Homeland to engage in crowd control and they just say I'm making

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it up.

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I'm linked to the Army Times and Washington Post.

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I mean, I'm not bad here.

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I mean, it is scary.

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This is going to cause clashes between the people and the government.

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It's not my fault.

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It's your fault.

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Silver is mankind's oldest natural antibiotic.

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I left that in there for fun there at the end.

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But it's not my fault.

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It's your fault is what it all comes down to.

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That is what he's trying to express.

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Even when he's doing this debunking of Glenn Beck's supposed debunking of the FEMA camps,

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it's still just on some level a defense of like, I don't want to feel bad.

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I did not expect you to drop that particular hammer.

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I didn't expect it to happen either.

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I had no idea.

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Wait.

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So so what just happened was this entire rambling nonsense, non debunking of somebody else's

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non debunking show, right, was really about him justifying himself not being the cause

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of the murder of three cops.

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I mean, I don't think it was meant to be, but because it wound up psychology is how

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it ends.

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Yeah.

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Like that to me was like much more revealing than anything he read in the actual debunking.

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Yeah.

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Like that to me is like that's how you're going out with wipe out is he might as well

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have been like, hey, those three cops, they wiped out and it turns out that maybe the

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board ops have been trolling him for a lot longer than we realize, because like that's

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hilarious.

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I want to know those guys because that's a wipe out.

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They I imagine that there have been like 15 different guys who have worked the board and

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every time he's like, OK, well, I'm going to let you train the next guy.

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I know you resigned.

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Stay on for another couple of weeks, train the next guy.

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And the entire two weeks is them being like, OK, so here's how you fuck with Alex using

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the music drops.

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All right.

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When he's getting what you're going to do.

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OK, this one is whack do.

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Block rock and beats go when he's saying something pervy and just pausing a lot block rock and

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beat.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Making an argument that he's failing in throwing wipe out everyone listening.

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There's like a there's like a there's like a flow chart.

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So we're done with the clips and we're done with his like whatever it is that he does.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I don't know what to say about this.

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Like, right.

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This is like.

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I hate to use Alex's own cosmology, but this is Colonel Travis at the Alamo, like that,

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like he'd he'd cloistered himself into a bubble somehow less competent.

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Yeah.

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But he cloistered himself into a bubble where he had to prove like his points and he did

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not.

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He did not.

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The only evidence that he was able to provide, I am very able to debunk all of it.

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It's all nonsense.

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It's all shit or all misdirections, you know, like the idea of the civilian labor inmate

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program that that is real and that's a conversation we all should fucking have.

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But the way he's having that conversation is bullshit.

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And it's only in service of trying to prop up his bullshit.

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He's not having the right conversation about that.

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So even the things that are true and are real are misused.

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Yeah.

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And so I come to the end of this and I'm like, fail.

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You failed.

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You failed.

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You failed 100 percent.

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And when you dismount, it's the last thing you say after this, he rambles like for a

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break and then has Max Kaiser.

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Yeah.

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Who gives a shit?

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And this is the end of the like the like FEMA camp stuff.

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And his parting shot is it's not my fault.

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It's your fault.

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Yeah.

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That sort of thing implies to me that I don't think that I don't think that that's where

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it comes from because he was putting this off.

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He was trying to do this for at least a month.

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Yeah.

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Like trying to do the like, I'm going to debunk Glenn, but debunking right.

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He's been putting that off.

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But I wanted him to come fucking correct because I wanted a good gladiator to meet me in the

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field of battle.

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Right.

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Of course.

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I wanted.

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I love this part.

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You wanted to test yourself against the best.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I love you.

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And I love this podcast.

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And I love what we do.

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I wanted this episode to be Alex Jones nose to the grindstone right head to the stars.

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He is just there working his ass off, trying to make sure that you know that he has never

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been lying about FEMA camps.

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And it's all fucking true.

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Right.

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And from the jump, as soon as he started talking about it, it's like, oh, you don't know the

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difference between the National Security Council and the Department of National Security.

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That's a problem.

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Yes.

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And to go from there and every single other piece is just misrepresentations and lies.

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Like I wanted even if he got off to that hiccup, even if you just like, OK, FEMA is controlled

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by the National Security Council.

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Even if he had just that mistake, I would have forgiven it if the other things he was

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saying were like some sort of proof of his conspiracy.

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Right.

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They weren't.

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It started bad.

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It was a middled bad and it finished bad.

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This is like a bad comedy show that you go to.

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I was sitting there like, no, no, no.

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You you wanted fucking Black Panther where Michael B. Jordan has a goddamn point, man.

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I was.

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You know what?

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He's wrong.

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That's not the right way to do things.

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I would be goddamned if I didn't watch Black Panther and say, you know, I get why you're

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wrong.

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But I'm kind of on your team.

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I don't know.

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You know, like that's what you wanted.

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Alex to have.

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You wanted him to be the antihero that you rooted for because his motivations were built

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inside of this place of like, yeah, I get it.

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Your issues are real.

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And we can have a more robust conversation about for sure, other than he's wrong about

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this case, he's wrong about this is wrong.

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And it was so easy to show that so many of those things are wrong.

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The only thing that like I think really if we look back in this entire episode, I think

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the only thing that was like marginally interesting that he brought up was the idea of governors

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having power over the guard, which I think is a really weirdly specific thing for us

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to be like.

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I have conflicting opinions about.

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Of this of this whole FEMA camp is the devil episode for us to be like, well, the separation

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of powers is kind of well, because like stuff like the civilian labor camps, I was like,

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yeah, we're a hundred percent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fuck yourself.

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Yeah.

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Slavery is the remnants of slavery.

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There's slavery, guys.

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Fuck off.

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There's really slavery.

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The only thing that's interesting at all is stuff like that.

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And it's like, Alex, you're on the wrong side of this.

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You're not even really talking about it in any meaningful way.

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What the fuck are we doing?

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Like, yes, it's crazy to me.

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It's crazy.

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And I know I understand this.

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I recognize this as I'm saying it.

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I know that everyone listening will recognize this.

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It's deeply, deeply fucked up for me to be so disappointed in him.

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Like it's so fucked up.

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I've been listening to him for years.

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I know.

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I don't know why I keep thinking of going to show up like I don't know why.

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It's crazy.

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It's crazy that I still hold hope.

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It's the really, really thick.

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It is.

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Oh, my God.

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It is.

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It's that.

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Oh, my God.

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It is.

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There's some part of me that thinks there's like something he's gonna, tomorrow he's gonna

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get it right.

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He's gonna turn that corner.

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Yeah.

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And he's not.

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Alex is a fucking idiot.

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And he is a racist.

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And like just wrong.

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Like just factually wrong.

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Right.

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And that's never going to change.

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I think it's that he so often talks about topics that we're like, oh, if you would just

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make, if you would, and it's because it's not far, it's not far from his narrative.

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It's not, it's, it's like, if you just, if you would just turn it from like this thing

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to like not even 180 degrees to 10 degrees in the right direction, all of a sudden, yeah,

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everyone's having a conversation about slavery, which is what we still allow.

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You know, if you had just done 10 degrees, it's not a lot.

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It's not a huge difference.

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It's very close.

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But instead you're like, oh, I'm going to go back to white identity.

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No, come on, man.

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Safe.

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It's a safe harbor.

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No, just a little bit.

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So Jordan, I'm very glad that this is our last episode of the year.

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And I'd like to say thank you to everyone who has listened to our podcast over this

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year.

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This year has been amazing.

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This year has been insane.

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If we look at the end of 2018, as opposed to where we were at the end of 2017, it's

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completely nuts.

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There's a lot of people who were on board a year ago who are still there and we love

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you.

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We appreciate you so much.

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And if you jump ship, totally get it.

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Totally.

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But there's been so much growth.

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It's crazy.

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And I can't say how much I appreciate how much everyone is awesome.

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It's nuts to me that people have warmed to us the way they have, because our show is

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something that is so fucking stupid.

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The idea that you and I sit around and talk about Alex Jones, and I appreciate that so

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very much.

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It really does mean the world.

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I can't end this year without saying from the bottom of my fucking heart, you all are

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so amazing.

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You make this all worthwhile, because if I were sitting around just researching Alex

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Jones and finding out funny ways to talk about him, that would be fucking deeply depressing.

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Which you would do without this show.

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I probably would.

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Which you would do without this show.

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As evidenced by the first three months of our show where almost nobody was listening.

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If we had never met, you would still be doing Freezin' Point, but it would just be about

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Alex Jones.

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You would be gone, probably.

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If things hadn't gone pretty well, you would be gone.

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And I would be talking to Cthulhu about that.

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Come on, man.

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Come on.

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So I appreciate it so much.

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And you do too.

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This is a love fest in some way here at the end.

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But I think it's important.

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I think it's meaningful.

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We're ending the year.

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2019 is going to be an amazing year for all of us.

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I think so.

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Thank you to everyone.

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Thank you for listening.

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Thank you for changing my life in a very specific way.

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And we'll see you...

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Your life's been changed in a specific way?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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I have gout.

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Because I keep playing...

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Oh.

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I thought it was because I keep playing...

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No, no, no.

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You gave me gout.

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You gave me gout.

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Dan.

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Well, that's unfortunate.

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Because of Alex Jones, I have gout.

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Well, I should also say that I have the vapors.

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What is gout?

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Also, I am hanging out with the whispers lately.

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Gout's like too much uric acid?

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I don't know.

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Here's the deal.

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Policy wonks.

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Everyone out there...

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Friends.

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Romans.

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Countrymen.

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We will be back next episode.

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But until then, I will say, Jordan, we have a website.

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Do we?

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Yep.

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What is it?

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All right.

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Okay.

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Hold on.

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So we have a website.

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Yep.

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Of which you are going to release the wiki, which is a big part of news that you are not

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fucking getting into.

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Honestly, by the...

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You are releasing a goddamn wiki of all the shit that we have covered, for the most part.

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If people are listening...

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Because it'll never be done.

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But the point being, Dan, you have accomplished something that is fucking incredible and you

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refuse to take credit for it.

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So I will give it to you here.

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Because it's not done.

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But thank you.

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Nah, it'll never be done.

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I haven't accomplished it yet, but I'm...

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Dude, life isn't done.

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Kernels of accomplishment.

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Damn, life isn't done.

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And if you're listening to this as this comes out, it should be live on knowledgefight.com

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tomorrow.

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Right, right, right.

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On the new year, baby.

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In honor of that wiki, if you want to find us on Twitter, go fuck yourself.

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Go fuck yourself.

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Go to knowledgefight.com.

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If you want to find us on Facebook, I'll see you in hell, because you need to go to knowledgefight.com.

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And do you know who has never killed a guy?

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I don't know.

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Dan.

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That's true.

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I've never killed anybody.

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You know who probably has technically killed a guy?

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Don't you dare tell me you've killed a man now.

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One time I got really high with a guy.

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Oh my god.

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I don't know what the fuck I was doing.

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I don't know why you're telling the story.

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So I got into, I don't know why, like when I was like 18, 19, that range, like, I don't

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know why, but I would just hang out with anybody waiting.

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Like homeless people, like I just would hang out with them and give a shit.

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I liked people and I liked having conversations with people that ended up being weird.

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I was very able to deal with it and I fucking loved it.

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I don't know how this happened.

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I was in a house I didn't know where I was.

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I didn't know where I was.

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I got really drunk.

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I ended up in a house.

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Who knows?

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I'm smoking a blunt with a guy and he starts telling me about how he accidentally killed

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a guy.

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Like this guy committed manslaughter.

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This guy was trying to kill him and he ended up having to stab him.

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That's self-defense.

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It was terrifying.

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Not technically manslaughter.

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I understand that.

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No, I think it was.

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See, now you're adding more parts to the story.

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I want to get into the nuances of it.

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He killed a guy in self-defense.

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He didn't tell me that until like three hits into the blunt.

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So we're already pretty, like we're getting high.

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You're fucked up.

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And I'm drunk coming into it.

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You're solidly in the back.

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I had to kill a guy.

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What?

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What?

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It was a terrible night of my life talking to this guy about like what the experience

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was of watching a person die.

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And he was like, also, I have a radio show in Austin.

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No, because this guy was really fucked up about it.

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It really affected him.

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Oh, it hurt him.

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It really deeply affected him.

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Yeah, like it fucking should if you're a human goddamn being.

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And he only did it because it was murder that was coming at him.

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Life or death.

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I didn't judge him at all necessarily because the story that he told me made entire sense.

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And he was deeply struggling with the fact that he accidentally killed a guy.

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One guy who doesn't care about the fact that he technically accidentally killed a guy.

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Damn it, that is a good transition.

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Is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.