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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan!

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We're a couple dudes, I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are! Dan!

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Yeah.

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Dan.

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Yeah.

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When was the last time you were sick?

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Uh, it's been a long time actually, I've not had many bouts of illness lately.

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I can't actually even remember.

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I mean, there have been hangovers and stuff that have made me sick in the last year or so, but in terms of...

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I feel like that's self-inflicted sickness.

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Right.

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I'm talking like a bug, you know what I mean?

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It's been a long time.

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Yeah?

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Yeah.

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I've had like, mild food stuff a lot.

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Oh, okay.

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My diet's terrible.

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Yeah, okay.

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So I've had indigestion from food way more than any normal person should.

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Right.

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But no, in terms of actual sickness, I can't even remember the last time.

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I think that's probably because you limit your exposure to traditionally sick populations, would you say?

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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I don't know, I don't think that's why I'm out and about, I see people.

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Well, I'll tell you something, I...

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You're sick, I get it.

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No, no, no, I was just like that, I was never ever sick.

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But my girlfriend is a teacher.

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Yeah, works in school.

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So she gets 100,000 kids touching her in bullshit every day.

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Yeah, yep.

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And so now I'm dealing with it.

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And now you've got the cold right now.

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Exactly!

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And I appreciate you coming in and fighting through it as we get this here adventure where I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I don't know anything but what you tell me about Alex Jones.

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And we make our fun.

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You know, being sick sucks.

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But you know what doesn't suck?

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Oh, I knew that transition was coming!

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Aha!

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That was a fucking ad pivot if I ever heard one.

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Indeed it was.

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What doesn't suck is our new donors, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple folks who have signed up and are supporting the team.

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We really appreciate it.

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First, I'd like to say thank you for joining up and becoming a policy wonk. Isabel?

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you very much, Isabel.

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We really appreciate it.

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Also, I'd like to say thank you so much to Joshua.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Joshua.

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Thank you very much, Joshua.

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And then one more for today before we get down to the old morass tax.

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I'd like to say thank you to someone else who has joined up, David.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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Oops.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, David.

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You were, you weren't, but then after he corrected it, you were and are a policy wonk now.

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It was on a razor's edge.

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Thank you very much, David.

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So, Jordan, today we have a nice episode in front of us.

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It's Wednesday so everyone's probably expecting it to be Wacky Wednesday.

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It's not.

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Okay.

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Every week, literally, I forget because we don't record on Wednesdays.

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Nope.

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So I'm never like, oh, well, this is the Wacky Wednesday episode.

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Nope.

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Every week I completely forget.

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I went and I watched a little bit of Project Camelot.

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Carrie Cassidy put out a video that had the heading, don't shoot the messenger.

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I thought she might be talking to us through the screen.

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Who belongs on Project Camelot now, Dan?

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Yeah, me probably.

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But it was this weird thing where she was talking about how like, what you have to understand

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is that most of my whistleblowers have been mind controlled at some point.

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So obviously they're going to lie a bunch of the time.

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And you know what?

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If they tell me a lie, does that mean everything they say is a lie?

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I'm like, ah, baby.

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That's, that's a good non-argument.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like it makes sense in her world.

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It's not an actual defense.

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No, it just made me feel really bad.

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And I was like, I don't want to talk about them for a while.

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I'm going to let them be until Mark Richards or Eddie Page comes back and then we'll reevaluate.

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Oh man, if Eddie Page comes back, that's going to be a, that's going to be a pay-per-view

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episode for us.

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But for now it's like she interviewed a super soldier and I'm like, I don't know if I have

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it in my heart to meet a new player.

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Right, right, right.

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Eddie Page has taken a lot out of me.

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There's only one super soldier and that's Kurt Russell, my friend.

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Indeed.

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When you meet a racist alien, it's tough for anyone else to compare, quite frankly.

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So we'll see what happens.

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I think we've met a few.

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Yeah.

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But for now, Jordan, instead of Wacky Wednesday, we're sticking back in the past.

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Okay.

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Because we didn't do a 2009 episode for Monday.

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We did that interview, which thank you to everybody who had such positive feedback.

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I really appreciated everyone enjoying that.

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Today we're back in 2009.

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I wanted so desperately to cover a lot of ground.

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Yeah.

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Get a couple days taken care of.

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Get it all, get it all moved on.

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But I couldn't.

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Oh, of course not.

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Today we are just doing March 9th, 2009.

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Just one day.

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Just one day.

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Oh my God, we're going to be in 2009 for forever, aren't we?

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Maybe, but who cares?

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If that's the case, then that's the case.

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I'm just, I mean, yeah, there's a happier time.

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There's a lot to learn.

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There's a happier time.

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There's so much to learn back then.

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Every day brings us a new huge lie that he's telling.

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It's very exciting for someone like me.

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Yeah, those were exciting times whenever all lies were new.

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We were just emerging into Barack Obama's presidency when the lie became the truth.

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We were wee babes.

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Yeah, that was nice.

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So, to fill everybody in who hasn't listened to all of the 2009 stuff, recently we found

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Alex Jones going pretty much whole hog for about a month in 10th Amendment resolutions

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that various state houses were putting forth.

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He had all of these weird state reps on who all seem to have bizarrely racist pasts.

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Who would have guessed?

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Yeah, all very problematic people.

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So strange.

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And they all come on about how the states are reasserting their sovereignty and all

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this.

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Oh yeah.

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But then in the middle of it, Alex seems to have dropped the ball a little bit and he

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wants to juggle a couple more narratives.

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So he brings in this false story about the avian flu release in the Czech Republic.

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And so we're all over the place.

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We're trying to find out when he starts talking about Soros and when he decides the tea party

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is pretty cool.

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And so far we've seen absolutely no indications of either of those really coming into focus.

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Right.

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Speaking of which, quick question that I probably should have asked on our previous episode.

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Sure.

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But maybe I did.

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Is 9-11 blogger still going strong?

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I don't know.

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I didn't look at any of the front page of it.

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Okay.

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I only saw the posts that were relevant.

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You only saw the relevant posts.

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Yeah.

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You didn't go to the site and see when the last time they...

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I mean it's still up.

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It's still up.

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So there's that.

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Yeah.

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Somebody's still renewing the domain registration.

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Sure.

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So I don't know.

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I can't answer that, but I can say you can still find archived content at least.

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So we're in a place where it's super weird.

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And I opened up this episode really strongly expecting it to continue down the avian flu

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path.

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Right.

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Because it seems like that's the narrative he's trying to build up.

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So nothing in the world could have prepared me for this being the beginning of the episode.

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In the third hour today, I'm going to do a detailed review of the blockbuster film that

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was released nationwide on Friday, The Watchman.

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We'll go over the characters, Nite Owl, the comedian, Rorschach, Dr. Manhattan, Silk Specter,

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Ozzie Mandamus.

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Oh, that's not how you say it.

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I have never seen such illuminati in your face propaganda.

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Did you say Ozzie Mandamus?

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It was off the charts and yes, spoiler alert, I am going to lay out what the film covers

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in detail, including the ending.

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Spoilers.

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He said spoilers.

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It's hard to even mention it right now and then not get into it.

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Did we say spoilers?

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It's just unspeakable.

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Unspeakable.

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Unspeakable.

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Well, you're going to try.

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You know what is unspeakable?

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Ozzymandias apparently is unspeakable to Alex because he keeps calling him Ozzie Mandamus

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throughout the entire show.

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He calls him it like 20, 30 times, which is hilarious to me, first of all, because no

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one calls him Ozzie Mandamus in the movie, they call him Ozzymandias or you know what

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else?

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Could have called him Adrian.

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He could have just done that or yet if he didn't want to call him, if he has trouble

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pronouncing Ozzymandias by all means, go for Adrian.

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There is no other way to take that then.

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That is exactly what Bill and Ted would have called Ozzymandias if he was in Bill and Ted's

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Excellent Adventure.

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I mean, it's possible.

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But here's the really funny thing about the fact that Alex keeps mispronouncing Ozzymandias.

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It really highlights-

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Why?

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Because it's an ironic, absolutely apropos thing for him to mispronounce considering

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his current position?

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Well, it would be one thing if it was just a random name, but it's not.

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No, it's a reference to a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really

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really, really, really on the nose name for Alex today.

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Well, see, here's the thing is it's like another name for Ramses II.

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But then more importantly, it's an allusion to two poems from 1818 by the English poet

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Percy Shelley.

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And the theme of those poems inform the understanding of Ozzymandias or Ozzymandemus' character.

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So the idea that Alex thinks that his name is Ozzymandemus doesn't recognize that the

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name is a literary allusion, it leads me to believe he doesn't really have that much of

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an in-depth review coming.

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That's just my guess.

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Absolutely no clue.

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Just my guess.

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I bet he doesn't even know who Percy by Shelley was married to.

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Probably not.

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Which is also an apropos thing for reference to Alex Jones considering what could be more

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Frankenstein's monster than Alex Jones in the context of the current situation we're

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in.

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Seems seems that way.

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Oh, man.

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The Shelleys fucking knew Alex Jones was coming.

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It was all an allegory for Alex Jones.

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The whole family.

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Yeah.

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So excuse me.

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So I was expecting hard science and like flu shit.

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So when I jumped in and he comes out of the gate being like, I'm going to tell you all

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about the Watchmen, I was like, yes, this episode is going to be so stupid.

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And finally, somebody answered the question, who watches the Watchmen?

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It's Alex, the info warrior nation.

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So here we go.

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Here's here's where Alex goes, because he can't stop himself from not reviewing the

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movie.

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But then he's not really going to review it just yet.

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But he wants you to know this.

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Coming up in the one o'clock hour today, I'm going to do a review of the Watchmen film

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number one at the box office, a vicious threat to the people of the world.

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Sounds right.

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The film Anani religion revealed to everyone perfect.

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And I in the in the crash course on the Watchmen, as I said yesterday, spent a few hours researching

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it.

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Several people in my house are fans of the comic and had been telling me that I had to

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read it and had to look at it.

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You hadn't yet.

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And then I googled reviews of it and most reviews for the Watchmen are saying we don't

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understand it.

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You know, the New York Times and CNN, we don't get the ending of the movie.

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We don't understand it.

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I don't believe that for a minute.

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They understand it all too well.

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How could someone not understand this film?

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OK, OK.

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What are we doing?

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What are we doing, Dan?

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This is Wacky Wednesday, Dan.

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It kind of is.

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This might as well be a Project Camelot episode if he's going to extrapolate the entire future

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of the human race through the Watchmen.

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Well, because it's Alex Jones, it can never be truly wacky.

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There's going to be this wacky element and then the craziest fucking thing.

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This show ends in a way that, like, I can't believe Alex didn't scrub this from the Internet.

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Let's say.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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It's it's crazy.

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Does he disintegrate at the end, destroyed by Dr. Manhattan?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Ozzy Mandamus decided that Alex's show is a threat to humanity.

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So Alex, I'm going to skip this clip because it's stupid, but Alex predicts that Bernie

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Madoff is going to walk, which did not work out that way.

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That didn't work out well for him.

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Although Alex, I think nowadays does think that Bernie Madoff faked his death and is

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living on an island or something like that.

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Oh, that's a good idea for Bernie.

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Yes.

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I don't know.

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Either way, he's like, they're never going to charge him with anything.

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All right.

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Well.

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Kind of did.

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Then he killed himself.

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Yep.

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So this next clip.

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We like to catalog the times when Alex sings along with music and does karaoke.

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It's fun.

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This instance of it.

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I don't want to catalog.

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This is a very angry version of him doing karaoke.

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I'd love to spit some beach nut in that dude's eyes and shoot him with my.45 cause a country

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boy can survive.

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Country folks can survive.

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Cause you can't stop the sound and you can't make us run.

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Yeah.

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Look at my big fucking truck.

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We are back live.

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Your calls are coming up in the next segment with a ton of other news.

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Are they?

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I just start thinking about all we've been through, all we've put up with and the enemy

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is so desperate to try to discredit us because they know that this radio show info wars.com,

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what we can do is assemble to others to be leaders and to be bold and to stand up and

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to resist.

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And they're afraid that you're going to get that fight in spirit.

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They're afraid that you're going to commit 110% to defense of the Republic.

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And they know that if you commit and realize who our enemy is and what their tactics are.

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And if we get the word out about this, that we're going to defeat these people and they're

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going to end up going to prison.

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So I only kept that in, first of all, cause it starts with country folk can't survive,

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which always a nice, nice time, but then that I want you to hold on to that little, that

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little ramble there at the end where, uh, you know, they, they're afraid of us because

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we inspire people.

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They're afraid because they know that we're going to rise up and they're going to prison.

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Hold onto that.

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I know it's a very standard Alex thing, but by the end of this episode, the fact that

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he's getting into that sort of mode is going to be fucking hilarious.

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So where are you at?

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Are you wishing that he got to his, a watchman review already because he didn't, he's just,

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he's just teased it for you.

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I mean like, so, so what does he, what does he plan on doing for the first two hours?

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Well, he rambles about Madoff and then he talks about how Mark Cuban, uh, the globalist

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threatened to murder his kids.

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The globalist threatened to murder Mark Cuban's kids?

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Well, you see Mark Cuban put up some of the money behind loose change, uh, and then, yeah,

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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I didn't know this.

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Yeah.

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How did I not know this?

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I don't know.

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How was this?

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Was this an episode of shark tank?

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I fucking missed.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Jason Burmas showed up on shark tank.

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Mark Cuban's like, I'm buying it.

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All right.

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Um, and he was going to, we'll make tens of dollars through one of his companies.

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He was going to distribute it and, uh, then, uh, also, uh, unrelated circumstances.

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He got busted for insider trading and Alex has conflated the two into being like, it's

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a consequence of him, uh, saying he was going to distribute my film.

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Right.

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And so he's built up this entire thing where Mark Cuban's been threatened and they're going

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to kill his family and all this shit.

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But strangely enough, somebody that Alex defends has also recently been embroiled in a situation

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where people were abusing women pretty much constantly.

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Crazy.

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Isn't that odd?

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Hold on to that thought till the end of this episode too.

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Great.

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Great.

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I can't even begin to tell you how bad this thing at the end is.

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Jesus.

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It may be one of the worst.

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I mean.

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You're teasing me like Alex is teasing me about the watchman.

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I want you to be on edge, baby.

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I want to know what exactly is going on with Rorschach.

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Does his, does his, uh, sock face actually move with the black dots?

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We don't know.

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Absolutely.

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Okay.

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So, uh, in that last clip, Alex said he was going to take some calls and I'll, I'll give

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him, he does take a few calls and here's one of them that I thought was particularly telling

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about Alex's interests and his business, uh, back in 2009.

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Uh, let's talk to Bob in Connecticut.

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Bobby.

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Hey Bob.

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Hello.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes.

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Um, okay.

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I don't have background noise.

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I, I had just a minute ago.

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Um, I'm trying to find out if I can, I know I can, but I'm, first of all, there's one

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verse in the Bible that said, no, no, this also then the last days perilous times shall

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come referring to this time where it could have been back in a depression or so on Nero,

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but we are going to be facing perilous times according to everything you've been reporting.

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But um, I'd like to be able to help some people if that's possible, if I can give a phone

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number and it'll be my personal phone number.

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Well, you know, we don't really like to do that because what we've had years ago was

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setups or somebody will call in and say they're one person and it's really somebody else's

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phone number.

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And there's some liability associated with that.

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Uh, and I don't really know you, uh, Bob, I mean, you're saying you want to help people

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specifically how do you want to help people?

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Can I give a website then?

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Sure.

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Go ahead, Bob.

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Okay.

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It's www.ximohth.com.

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Do you have a product that's going to help somebody?

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Well, it's, it gives you like, um, kind of, it gives you like a, some energy gives endurance

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people work out.

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I gotcha.

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Hey, I appreciate the plug.

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It's just no other talk radio would allow that.

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I try to let everybody have their say, but if I let you do that, I actually, about 10

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years ago, anybody say whatever they want and people call up saying, I got a tractor

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for sale in Missouri.

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Okay.

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And I, you know what?

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Uh, if you want to plug something, you got to bring some content to the show first and

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then work it in.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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Interesting.

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Do you, do you mean you've got to say real the fucking reveal the whole game?

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You mean you got to tell some limericks on air before you get a plug in?

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Is that what you're saying?

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Alex?

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That is so overt.

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You got to bring some content to the show before he went out loud with that.

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And guess what?

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A little bit later in the show, here's what he does.

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So I wanted to have, um, Tyler Palmer, the, um, founder of the company and a guy that

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designed this unit.

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It's the best atmospheric system we found.

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Uh, Tyler, a great to have you on with us.

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Well, thanks Alex.

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Thanks for having me on again and hello to all the listeners.

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I mean, we're about to break, but just explain to people that yes, you really can grab water

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out of the air.

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Cool.

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He's a Coca Cola blue, uh, water filtration, uh, CEO sponsor on as a guest.

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He says to a caller earlier, you have to bring some content to the show if you're going to

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be plugging.

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And then he has someone who he's plugging come in, do embedded content on his show.

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So very clear what's going on here.

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This is ridiculous.

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Shows nuts.

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Yeah.

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I like it.

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It has a far more ramshackle appeal than it used to.

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I mean, then it does now, then it does now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Of course.

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Like the idea that some dude can just be like, I want to help people.

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Okay.

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What are you talking about?

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Yeah.

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How do you feel about helping people?

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How are you going to help people go to my website, w w w dot dude, we, we've all been

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around the internet.

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It's, it's still 2009 like the internet's been around a while.

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T P that two dot thing, colon, colon.

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All right.

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All right.

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I apologize.

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Yeah, man.

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It's crazy.

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It's, it's a, there's a fun to it that is certainly absent now.

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What do you, what do you got there?

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There once was a man from Connecticut.

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Okay.

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Uh, he broke Alex's rules on etiquette.

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Ooh.

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Uh, he didn't think you were going to pull that out.

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He gave his website, uh, chances are money is tight.

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Nice.

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And now a, he is gonna get rid of it.

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Ah, damn it.

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I almost nailed it.

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Couldn't land it.

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Couldn't land it.

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Can't end a limerick on a slant ride.

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Yeah.

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What do you got?

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What do you got?

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Huh?

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Etiquette.

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That was, I feel like I should get points for etiquette at least that was a pretty good

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one.

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Not bad.

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That was a pretty good one.

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You should never end a sentence in a predicate.

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Done.

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Write it down.

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That goes down to knowledge, history, our only limerick.

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Um, so, uh, you've been, uh, craving it, uh, and, uh, you didn't have to wait too long.

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We now get to the point where Alex begins his review of the watch.

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All right.

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And now let's see, let's see what kind of work he's put in here.

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I'm now going to do my review of the film Watchman.

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Now let's be clear here, please.

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I'm not a big comic fan because I've always been more serious studying history and government

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documents and the way the world actually works, but art mimics life, and of course mimics

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art itself.

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So that goes vice versa.

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I did go see the movie Saturday night because listeners kept telling me I had to see it.

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Uh, then on Sunday I bought the Watchman novel itself and scanned through it and it's very,

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very similar to the film itself.

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I've done some basic research, scanned the graphic novel.

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That is, that is perhaps, uh, the most revealing thing Alex has ever said, I scanned through

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it.

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It should be his, his like, I read a lot of history books should be re replaced with like,

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I gave it a good scan.

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I read the headlines of the graphic novel, scanned through it.

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There's some bad stuff.

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Zbigniew Brzezinski is in the Watchman, I assume I desperately wanted to understand

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this thing that I'm labeling as a grave threat to humanity.

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So I scanned it.

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I know it's a longer graphic novel.

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It's like what, 400 pages or something like that, but it's a graphic fucking novel.

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It's a long one, but it's still, it doesn't take more than like two hours to read that

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thing properly.

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There are a couple of patches where there are like full pages of like documents and

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stuff about the keen act and the minute stuff like that, but it's not like it's, you could

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get through, you get through it.

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Even if you have the reading skills of Alex, it's a fucking graphic novel.

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You know, that's, that's the weird thing about graphic novels though, is that like with a

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book there's a, there's a standardized way of, Alex probably got to the first part about

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the dark freighter and he's just like through, Oh yeah, absolutely.

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The fuck is this shit?

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That wasn't in the movie.

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Alex probably saw the, uh, the doomsday prophet on the street and was like, too close to me.

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I hate this book.

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I was really worried.

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You're going to say the black kid reading the comic on the street and be like, I don't

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like this representation.

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Yeah.

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Well that's possible too.

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I don't know why you wouldn't just go ahead and read it if he thinks it's like the Illuminati

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Bible.

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It's hard to read.

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It's not hard to read a graphic novel.

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No, I mean for Alex, it's, it's just physically hard for him to read.

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It must hurt him in some way.

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Otherwise I don't see why he's so averse to doing it.

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And frankly, he could just look at the pictures pretty well and still kind of get the gist

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of it.

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Yeah.

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But I think he might have done that and came away with some of the wrong messages and maybe

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some wrong messages about the movie too.

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And one of the first ones is a illustrated Alex.

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You cannot breathe on Mars.

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I don't care who's taking you.

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Nope.

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But, uh, here's the first of what I would describe as his massive, uh, misunderstandings

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of Watchmen.

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I've done some basic research on the creator of Watchmen, Alan Moore, who is a Mason and

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into all of this Illuminati.

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Who cares?

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Okay.

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Also, Alex, in 2018, you're saying that the Illuminati isn't real.

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It's a fanciful term that people hear when you're drunk doing an interview in a hotel

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room.

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So.

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Uh, type stuff.

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Oh, also that I forgot that that's the reason I brought that up is that in order for his

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like narrative to be consistent at some point between 2009 and 2018 in that nine years,

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the Illuminati had to have literally been defeated at some point, which I don't remember

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him announcing.

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Oh, the great Illuminati war, just a fanciful idea, the Illuminati war.

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But if you look on the cover of the novel itself, uh, you see Ozzie mandamus, the leader

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of the superheroes, uh, the quote, smartest man in the world.

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And he has the all seeing eye of Horace on his breastplate, Ozzie mandamus, that's never

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going to get older.

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No, it's not.

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He has the eye of Horace because, uh, his name is derived from Ramsey the second.

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Uh, but the other thing, the massive misrepresentation or the misunderstanding that Alex seems to

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be having is that Ozzie mandamus is the leader of the heroes.

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No, he's the villain.

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He's the villain.

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That's literally the entire point of the book.

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Yes.

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Straight up.

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That's the whole thing.

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He's a complicated villain, much like Rorschach is a complicated hero, right?

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But there is no way to look at those books, the book or the movie and think that he is

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the leader of the heroes like he is somehow he's not in the, in the graphic novel that

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he skimmed, Ozzie mandamus is presented as a much more human flawed figure.

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Whereas because I think the acting is so terrible, the Matthew good, I don't think was able to

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get those notes and in the movie by cutting out the entire part about the dark freighter,

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you lose a lot of the context for Ozzie mandamus, his character that gives him the humanity

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of being a, uh, the villain, but also a sacrificial villain.

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Did you just recently read the book or are you actually a fan of a watchman?

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I love watchmen.

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I read it in college.

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I don't, not a huge graphic novel guy, but I really like Alan Moore.

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Like I love swamp thing too.

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Like I love swamp thing is fucking great.

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And even League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

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I haven't read all of his work or anything, but a number of my buddies were into some

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of his stuff and uh, I worked at a movie theater in high school.

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He's the reason that we have, uh, we have, uh, the dark knight and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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Killing joke is a really good one too.

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He does a really good job of like crafting complicated stories as opposed to like the

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hero stories that maybe you're more used to of good and bad.

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There's blurring of lines and shit like that.

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He's also a dick.

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Like I'm not going to defend him.

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He's a piece of shit.

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Alan Moore I'm sure he is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, he's a piece of shit.

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I'm sure he is.

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And uh, also...

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He did V for Vendetta too, didn't he?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I never read that comic.

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That and From Hell.

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I never read the comics of those, but uh...

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Did you watch the movies of those?

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I know I watched V for Vendetta.

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I might have watched From Hell because that came out when I worked at the theater and

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I don't have a full catalog of everything I saw at that fucking theater.

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Stephen Fry absolutely killed it in V for Vendetta.

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Yeah.

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Everybody else could, you know, you, you win or lose some, but Stephen Fry was fucking

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dope.

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I don't like that movie because it's just, it's like an aesthetic masquerading as a movie.

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Yeah.

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Oh no, no, no.

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I absolutely agree.

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I did enjoy watching it in the same way with Watchmen.

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When I watched Watchmen, I didn't think it was terrible.

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Like when I watched the movie, I thought like, I, I did, I really didn't like how people

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like the comedian, uh, and Rorschach were made into superhuman strength guys and stuff

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like that.

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And I fucking didn't like how Night Owl was, uh, uh, presented as like confident.

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I really hate, I really hated that guy.

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I liked...

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The guy who played a Night Owl, a Night Owl, I hate in literally everything he's ever been

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in.

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I hate that guy.

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There's something about his face that's not likable.

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It's wrong!

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I think there were a lot of problems with the movie, but watching it, I still had a

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positive experience of like, it still got me amped a little bit.

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Right, right, right, right.

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A lot of the visuals were really great.

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Jackie Earl Haley was perfectly cast.

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Absolutely.

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He fucking nails it.

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And, uh, I can't remember who played, uh, Dr. Manhattan, but he was great too.

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Uh, uh, uh, shit, uh, from, uh...

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Crotup.

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Yeah, Billy Crotup.

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Yeah.

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I think there's a lot in there that's salvageable, uh, despite it being like, it's not as good

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as the graphic novel.

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No, absolutely not.

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Uh, the...

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Billy Crotup also crushed it in Princess Mononoke, in case you were wondering.

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I haven't seen that.

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But...

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Amazing.

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I don't care.

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I'm not a nerd.

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Says the guy who can pull the Watchmen fucking from memory from college reading it.

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I've read it a bunch of times since then.

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Oh, yeah?

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I've bought it like six times.

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It's been stolen every time.

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Really?

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Oh, yeah, well that's interesting.

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I've lent it to somebody and then it's never come back.

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So nobody is watching your copy of the Watchmen?

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Yeah.

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That one time, when my house burned down, I lost a copy.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then half of them have been stolen from me and then I just don't have one now.

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But look, I think it's great.

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I think Al Moore does great work.

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But it's a crazy, massive misunderstanding of the text and of the film in any way to

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think that Ozzie Mandamus is the hero.

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You could make...

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We had back-to-back, uh, fucking great, uh, Riff Riff Riff, Ozzie Mandamus is walking

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down the street.

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You could make an argument that Ozzie Mandamus was trying to, like, present himself and position

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himself as the leader of all these dudes.

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Right.

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But he wasn't the leader of the heroes.

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He wasn't even the leader.

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I think because he wins in the end, that's why Alex thinks he's the hero.

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Maybe.

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Because he just assumes that the hero wins.

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Which is, again, the childish, uh, understanding of the narrative.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So let's see if he has any more to say about that.

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But I think that's a glaring, huge, uh, sign of his...

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What kind of depth he's taken into the text.

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And it's, uh, he's so dumb.

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And so I want to do a basic breakdown of this film.

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It is an Illuminati, New World War threat, all of humanity.

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It is the psychopath's love to let the public know what they're planning and what they're

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doing.

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That it gives them magical powers, they call it lesser magic, to advertise what they're

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doing and how they operate to the public.

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In all fairness to Alan Moore, he did not want to be involved in the film because they

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changed some of the things that are in his official comic written back in the 1980s.

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But he himself, again, is an admitted mason and promotes the whole Illuminati ideology.

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And they reveal much of their mindset and their system and what they believe in, in

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the film.

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So let's go ahead and go to part of the trailer.

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He plays the trailer, which is great.

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Of course he plays the trailer.

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And it's so great for an audio medium, like a radio show, because it's just that slowed

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down version of that Smashing Pumpkins song, and sound effects of Night Owl's jet coming

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out of the water, and then Rorschach out of context saying, masses will look up to me

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and say, help, and I will say, no.

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And the Smashing Pumpkins kicks back in, it's like, Alex, come on, man.

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So this concept of the lesser magic and stuff like that is just, it's so crazy.

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So he keeps saying that Alan Moore is a mason, and I don't know if that's true, and I don't

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really care, but I started watching a documentary series on Netflix about the masons recently,

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and I'm not going to watch the rest of it, but it's so cute.

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That's a great conspiracy theory review.

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I love that.

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Any time there's a, any time there's, oh, the Templars are the ones who are really,

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you are such a cutie.

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You're so cute.

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I do not like the idea of it being so much anti-woman, and no women allowed, and all

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that stuff, but whatever, that's not my battle to fight necessarily with the masons.

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This documentary, they get, like, heretofore unbelievable access to the temple, the masonic

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temple in London, which is the biggest of them all, and they're talking to all these

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dudes, and they are fucking straight up dorks.

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They're all dorks who are really into ritual, and they show them doing a dress rehearsal

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of the ritual, and you can see the grand master of the lodge, and he's got the script of the

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ritual, and he's looking over it while the new acolyte is rehearsing, and it's like,

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these are theater dorks.

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Oh, no.

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It's so awesome.

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So when I was growing up, my friend, my best friend at the time, when I was like seven

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or eight, was a mason.

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His dad was a mason, and here's my memory of the masonic temple.

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There was a Magic the Gathering tournament there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's the kind of shit.

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Exactly.

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It's so great.

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It was a fun Magic the Gathering tournament.

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I lost.

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My friend won.

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He's really, really good at it.

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So these people getting together for the most part to have a social club and to do these

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little mini plays that sort of give you that same charge that you might have if you did

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plays.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's a real thrill to that.

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It's like singing gospel in a Baptist church.

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Yeah, it's the same shit.

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And then there's also the regalia of the fun aprons they wear.

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They're all geeking out about.

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Everybody loves them.

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It's so fun.

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And then the other thing too that they talk about a bunch is the idea of the masons, the

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reason that they, you know, stonemason roots and all that, what they do is they try and

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help people become better people through the metaphor of building.

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Like the idea of building a house, you put a brick down and then you put another brick

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down.

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Put another brick down.

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Eventually you got a good house.

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Right.

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That's the way you can...

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So long as one of those bricks is Peter.

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Sure.

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Of course.

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That's the way you can live your life.

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You can make yourself a better life by laying brick after brick after brick.

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It's not, it doesn't feel as satisfying, but if you do that, that's the great wisdom of

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the universe.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Alex is like really invested in saying that Alan Moore is a Mason and I don't, I don't

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particularly...

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He's a Mason.

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Admit it.

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I don't particularly care about that, but this clip is fun because it means that Alex

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didn't actually do that much research into Alan Moore after all.

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And the man that wrote Watchmen, Alan Moore, is an admitted Mason and the entire, he writes

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other comics like the Sandman and others.

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It's all about the new world order.

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He does not write the Sandman.

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How dare you?

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That's Neil Gaiman.

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How dare you?

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How dare you, sir?

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Exactly.

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How dare you?

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Any number of things he could have pulled in there and he pulled exactly the wrong one.

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The exact wrong one.

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Right.

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Jesus.

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And the Sandman is maybe the best graphic novel of all time.

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It might be why he pulled it because he doesn't have a lot of references.

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Yeah, that's fair enough.

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But so like what you have here is you have a guy who's calling one of the main characters

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Ozzie Man Damas, he has an inability to understand that that's a reference to a poem about the

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hubris of rulers and how their temples crumble and shit like that.

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Wink.

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Wink.

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Well, do you remember Neil Gaiman's famous character, Sandy Man Morpheus?

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Do you remember that one?

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Totally.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That was a great one.

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Illuminati shit through and through.

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So then he's saying, yeah, Sandman is written by Alan Moore.

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He doesn't know what he's talking about.

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These are just basic facts that he's getting.

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No clue.

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It's really crazy.

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So here he's going to talk more about how he's going to review the film.

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Doesn't really review it all that much.

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Just talks about reviewing it.

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I'm going to take my time doing this review because it's very, very important of Watchmen,

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now the number one movie in theaters and with all these different reviewers saying they

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don't understand the ending.

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They don't understand it.

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Well, it's real simple.

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Rorschach and also the comedian want to stop.

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These are the two sub-superheroes.

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They want to stop the planned false flag terror attack that they know is being planned by

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somebody.

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All right.

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Good one.

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Now, the comedian knows who it's being planned by, so he's torn.

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He's the guy that assassinated Kennedy from behind the grassy knoll.

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He's a new world order special forces hit man.

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He's that archetype.

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So he has to be killed.

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You're crushing it.

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Rorschach is then finally killed because he's going to expose at the end who staged the

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false flag attack, and we'll break that down coming up here in just a few minutes, but

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to understand what's happening here, you have to first understand how the globalists operate,

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how they believe that they must reveal their plans to the public before they do it.

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There's rants about that for a little while, but Alex, before you understand any of this,

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you need to realize that this is a fictional universe.

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There's a big blue magic man.

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Art imitates life, Dan, which means life imitates art.

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That's a simple syllogism.

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Here's the other problem with his sort of like this idea of the false flag stuff and

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all that is like in the book and in the movie, presumably, they're living in a universe where

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there is going to be a nuclear war.

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Yeah.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Because his plan is awful and horrific and that's why he's the villain, but in that universe,

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it worked.

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Right.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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That's the thing.

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Yeah.

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There was going to be a nuclear war if he didn't do that.

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Yeah.

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The entire point of it was like the idea of essentially like, would you pull the lever?

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All right.

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You got one person on the train.

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You got five people over there.

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Would you pull the lever to save five people and kill one person or would you not?

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That is the exact...

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That's the whole plot of the book.

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All Watchmen is when you really boil it down and take away all of the narrative flourishes

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and the interesting characters is utilitarianism debate.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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That's all it is.

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Yeah.

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It's so stupid.

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And that's not why Rorschach is killed at the end.

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No.

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He is killed at the end because he knows that he is incapable of stopping himself from telling

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these people.

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So regardless...

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It's a slight difference, but it's important.

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Right.

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So regardless of how he actually feels about whether or not it will work, which by the

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end you kind of suspect he thinks, yes, that is the thing that's going to work, but if

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I'm going to stick to my ideals, which is the entire point of my character to begin

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with, I have to not do that.

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So I would rather you destroy me than me fuck your plan up.

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Yeah.

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He basically accepts his own destruction towards the end.

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Which is...

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Wait.

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What?

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I don't know, man.

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I love when Alex gets into literature.

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I love it.

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So we have one more clip of him breaking down the Watchmen because he doesn't really get

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into it too much.

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Wait.

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I thought we were only doing March 9th.

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We are.

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But I thought the Watchmen was his big flagship story for March 9th.

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It is.

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We're like 20 minutes into this episode and it's already over?

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We're 40 minutes into the episode.

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All right.

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But I don't understand how time works whenever we're talking.

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The thing is that he doesn't really get all that deep on it.

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He plays the trailer, says it's the Illuminati Bible and what have you, and then just sort

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of repeats that, keeps going to break, coming back and being like, it's the number one movie

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at the box.

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It almost feels like buzz marketing, quite frankly.

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Oh, yeah.

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It does kind of feel like that, doesn't it?

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He keeps saying it's the number one movie in America, that sort of shit.

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And then he keeps trying to relate it to other things.

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He brings in that TV show, that X-Files spinoff, The Lone Gunman, and plays a clip from that

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where...

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Never saw that.

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Is that any good?

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Alex has been...

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One of his favorite things to talk about is how Dean Haglund, one of the Lone Gunmen,

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was on his show and said that the CIA told them to make a 9-11 plot on one of their episodes.

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I think Alex just likes anybody who describes themselves as a lone gunman, regardless of

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the consequences of their...

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The characters were so cool on the X-Files when I was 10.

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Yeah, good point.

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Don't know if it holds up.

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I did, I did.

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Come on, Walker, Texas Ranger, oh.

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I did watch The Lone Gunman when I was younger, but I have very little memory of it.

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Just because I loved X-Files, man.

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It was one of my shits.

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Yeah, not one of my things.

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No?

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Never got into the X-Files.

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I feel like it's too late now.

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I don't know.

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I think you could enjoy it on Netflix, like a nice binge kind of thing.

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I could.

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I think Stephanie is a lot of fun, Gillian Anderson's great.

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No, no, no, no, I love them both.

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Gillian Anderson has been great in everything she's ever done.

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She's amazing.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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What was that British show she was in?

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That was amazing.

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Yeah, that one was really good.

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I can't remember the name of it, but I really liked it.

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Neither can I.

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It was really good.

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She was great in American Gods.

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Another thing based off of...

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Alan Moore.

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Neil Gaiman.

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God damn it.

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It was Alan Moore.

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So all this is to say that his analysis does not run deep.

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It doesn't.

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So this next clip I think really sums up.

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So the first misunderstanding I believe is that Ozymandias is a good guy.

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I thought it was that his name was Ozymandamus.

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That's the two...

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It's a fork.

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It's a double-pronged misunderstanding.

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Well his best friend was so great.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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So that is the first like essential misunderstanding that he's making.

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And then this next clip brings into sharp focus his second semi-related critical misunderstanding

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that he's making.

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Ozymandamus does blow up the World Trade Center.

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And then it cuts to the wound in the earth that looks identical to the wound in the earth

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after they had dug it all out of the World Trade Center.

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It shows all the banners of, we'll never forget, American flags and things.

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And he says to Dr. Manhattan, Ozymandamus, who's basically Lucifer, says to his twin

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brother God, or Jesus.

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Don't you see why I did this now?

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This stopped nuclear war by me staging these terror attacks worldwide.

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Now the Soviets and the United States are friends and working together.

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And the bad guy, Billing is the bad guy, Rorschach, who has been saying no to all of us, he says

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that's it, I'm going to warn the world, I'm going to tell everybody.

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And Dr. Manhattan kills him, blows him into bits, aerosolizes him.

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And that is the message.

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The world is saved.

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There's a new kingdom being set up by the pyramid corporation, a world government.

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And Lucifer, Ozymandamus, is going to stay on the earth.

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I'm not going to enjoy that.

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The new man is going to travel the stars as a god and says, I'm leaving to go explore

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the universe.

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And that's how the movie ends.

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And the earth has been saved, the bad guy has been killed, Rorschach, who's against

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child molestation and against tyranny and against police brutality, he's the bad guy.

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He is killed, everyone is saved, because the evil sociopath, Rorschach, has been defeated.

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Alex thinks he's Rorschach.

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Wow!

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Wow!

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He really does think he's Rorschach.

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Rorschach.

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Rorschach.

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Alex deeply identifies with Rorschach.

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Yeah, of course he does.

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Of course he does.

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Why are they making the guy who's most like me the bad guy?

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They're not.

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He is the most verbose asshole in maybe comics in history.

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He is really onto his own dick, that Rorschach character.

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And Alex thinks he could fight his way out of a prison cell.

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There's all sorts of reasons.

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Alex could not identify more with the, like, you think I'm in here with you, you're in

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here with me, bleh!

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's no other way to slice it, then.

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This entire thing is based on the misunderstanding of alignments, first of all, good versus evil,

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or good guy versus bad guy, narratively.

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And then further the misunderstanding of Alex, you think you're Rorschach, and in this story,

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you think you're the bad guy.

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This speaks volumes about your psychology.

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Even when ostensibly the character you most identify with is presented as a complicated

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hero, you still find a way to be the victim.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Insane!

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It's fascinating.

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Fascinating.

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He's got some sort of paranoid schizophrenia.

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There's no doubt.

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Yeah, he's gotta have some sort of...

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The fact that it's so consistent and it goes through so many different, like...

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For so many years!

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And tendrils, different ways of expressing itself.

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It's fascinating to me.

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A movie review can't be done without getting into some sort of, this is about me.

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Right!

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Right!

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The globalists, Ozzy Mandamus and Dr. Manhattan, the globalists, are coming together against

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me, Rorschach.

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I guess Jason Birmus is Night Owl?

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I don't know who else is around, Rob Doo is on...

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Dude, this is the funniest fucking thing in the world.

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So he goes to commercial and he comes back and Rob Jacobson comes into studio to talk

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about Watchmen.

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Yeah.

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To get his...

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There's no extra analysis, really.

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But you can tell...

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So wait, they're just talking Watchmen at this point?

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For quite a bit, yeah.

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Okay.

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So Rob comes in and he refuses to say Ozymandias' name, because he knows that Alex is saying

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it wrong.

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Because he knows it's not...

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And he doesn't want to embarrass him.

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He doesn't want to correct it!

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It's so funny.

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He keeps saying him.

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You know that guy?

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The character is presented as...

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The one you're describing?

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Egyptian.

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Oh, man.

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Ozzy Mandamus.

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That's fantastic.

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So that brings us to the end of the Watchmen portion of the show.

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And Alex's familiarity with poetry.

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Yes.

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I mean, it's just crazy.

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It's absolute nonsense that he gets everything so wrong.

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He got everything wrong about the Watchmen.

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And if you want to say...

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It's hard to get everything wrong.

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It takes a lot of work to be wrong about everything, because the Watchmen has a lot of themes that

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everybody can really kind of understand, no matter what.

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Like even if you don't agree with the overarching themes or anything like that, you can find

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one or two.

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Like, why doesn't Alex just go like, that character, the comedian, he really knew what

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the fuck was up.

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You know?

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Like, that's kind of what he is.

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That's his region.

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You know?

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What?

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Some problems with that character.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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That's why Alex would like him.

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Fair enough.

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So let's move along.

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I don't think he got to the bottom of anything except to just say what he wanted to say all

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along, which he could have done in like five minutes, which is, I am Rorschach.

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They are bad.

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They made a movie trying to say, I'm bad.

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That was all about me.

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How does the movie end?

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Well, it ends with, Dr. Manhattan is blamed for the attack on New York.

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And so Dr. Manhattan decides he's going to live in the stars or whatever, and then he

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realizes he has to be the bad guy in order for humanity to come together, as opposed

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to the kind of psychic squid that comes into Manhattan in the book.

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Dr. Manhattan isn't blamed and made the bad guy in the book.

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Which I think is a better ending.

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I think the movie is worse than the book, but I think the Dr. Manhattan, because in

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the movie, if Dr. Manhattan is blamed at the end, then what that really says is that God

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is the ultimate enemy that we have to face in order to fight, in order to break ourselves

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from the constant cycle of violence between each other.

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Interesting.

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Perhaps.

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Perhaps.

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Because what is Dr. Manhattan other than a physical representation of God?

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Sure.

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Oh, he also says that the symbol on his head is like an Illuminati, but it's a hydrogen

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atom.

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Yeah, no, it's just a regular atom.

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It's just like, if an atom is the symbol of the Illuminati, then that kind of, boy, everybody's

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an Illuminati.

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Yep.

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So it's been fun talking about this, because it's always fun to, you know, whenever Alex

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brings up something we can actually enjoy, it's kind of fun.

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But he's such an impossibly bad reader or interpreter.

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Yeah.

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It's fascinating to me the level of missing the point on so many... I don't know.

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I don't know.

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He's got a, like, a combative freshman in high school lit kind of ability to understand

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things.

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Somewhat, yeah.

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Where it's like some dude who just has all of this pent up rage and inability to process

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his puberty, and that's where Alex got stuck.

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But if you live, like, if you're reviewing a piece of narrative fiction, it behooves

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you-

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Do you mean predictive programming?

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It behooves you to live within the parameters that that universe sets.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like, because otherwise the story is different.

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If you try and say that this is real and, like, one to one applicable to real life,

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you're depriving the work of its context, and you're depriving it of its actual meaning.

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How many terms was Nixon in during the Watchmen?

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I don't know, it came out in 86.

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Yeah.

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Oh, you mean in the book?

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Yeah, in the book.

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He was president for a little bit longer than you're supposed to be, especially as long

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as he was.

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And masked superheroes don't exist in our time stream or whatever.

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Our reality is not depicted by Watchmen.

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Alex is stupid.

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Alex is dumb.

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So here he's stupid again.

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He has another guest on this episode.

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He moves along, no longer sees fit to just talk to his water filter sponsor, he has another

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guest.

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Alright, for this single segment we have Representative Dennis Richardson of Oregon, who has introduced

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the bill, H.J.M. 17, in Oregon, who declared 10th Amendment sovereignty, which the states

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already have, but it's important to restate that.

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Oh shit.

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Is it?

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Alex is back on his bullshit.

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Is it important to restate it?

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The 10th Amendment is back, my friend.

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Couldn't you just, like, sue?

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We missed it.

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We missed these little short dalliances into learning about shitty state representatives.

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So tell me, Dan, I assume that you looked into Representative Dennis Richardson.

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Well I'll say that the interview is the exact, if you've seen one, you've seen them all.

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All the exact same interviews about these 10th Amendment resolutions.

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Well it's definitely not because the president's black.

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Anyways, we have made up reasons that are just there to hide the fact that we're angry

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that the president's black.

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Here's a few choice hits from Dennis Richardson's past.

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In 2007 he gave a speech from the House of Representatives floor saying that gay men

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are more likely to abuse children, a widely debunked statistic.

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Two years later he characterized same-sex marriage as being different than quote normal

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marriage during a speech at the City Club of Portland.

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Youth pastors are more likely to abuse boys.

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Also in April 2007, he sent out an email that started thusly, quote, this past week has

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been like no other.

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On Monday, the world witnessed the tragedy at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia.

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On Tuesday, Oregon witnessed the passage of domestic benefits for same-sex couples.

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Those are not the same fucking thing!

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Those are not equivalent in any respect!

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What?

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Oh yeah, he got in a little heat.

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What the fuck was that?

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Well, it's a fundraising email.

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That's what, what?

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Of course.

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That's the way his brain thinks though.

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Jesus.

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It's like these tragedies have fallen us.

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Jesus.

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Right.

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So he's a big old homophobe.

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Oh boy, kill him.

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He's a pile of shit.

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Kill him!

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So, uh, it's just to say, hey man, all of these dudes that you're having on for these

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10th Amendment things seem like they all are either racists or homophobes.

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Really seems like they're all stuck in a very white dude portion of history.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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And you know what, it is like statistically impossible that all of the people Alex would

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have on have that in common.

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If you just took a random sample set of even people who are state senators, it would be

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impossible that all of them have bigotry in their past.

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I kind of disagree with you.

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Yeah, I might've gone down the wrong path.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to go with, hey, wasn't it like, I think the fun thing about Obama being

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president is that it gave all of those right wing racists or, or what you know, you and

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I would call Republicans, like a common boogeyman that allowed them to keep their other hatreds

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at bay.

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You know, they were like, Oh, we can't have a black president.

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But now that they've got their guy in, now they get to go towards everybody.

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Like we hate immigrants.

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We hate gay people.

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I mean, like they're just shooting hate left and right, like so many teenagers masturbating.

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It smoked them out of their holes a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's frustrating.

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Mm hmm.

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This is also going to be frustrating.

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This next clip.

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We're not going to listen to any of Dennis Richardson's appearance because like I said,

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they're all the same.

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Fuck that guy.

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This is a very weird way that Alex comes back from break in the middle of the show.

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You know, a point I don't make enough on air that I think about constantly is the United

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States has 4% of the world's population, but we had more than half the world's wealth.

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Now most of that's been stolen.

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Why?

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A small amount of the land geographically in the world, a small amount of people, and

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we weren't perfect, but we did follow biblical systems that cut back on corruption, that

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allowed free market to flourish, and we were the apple of the world's eye.

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So the globalists came here, took over the nation, set up shop, used the United States

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to set up their world government.

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Now they're done with us.

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They're going to make us just one more bankrupt third world country.

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South Africa's got roughly twice the resources we have in every level, but they're in total

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squalor and it's all falling apart.

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Wonder why.

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I wonder why.

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Wonder why.

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Because is it possible there's some variables you're not taking into consideration here?

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Is it possible that you're telling a version of history that's on par with your understanding

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of Watchmen in terms of accuracy?

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You know what?

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Here's what I'm going to do from now on out.

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I'm going to try and pull a corollary to a graphic novel and what he just described there,

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that is the graphic novel 100 Bullets, Dan.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Nerd.

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Yep.

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The idea that it's so fucking funny.

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Another great Vertigo title along with The Sandman.

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We used to have half of the world's wealth, but it's all been stolen.

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So fucking funny.

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So crazy.

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Wait.

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Is that what he said?

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Because I thought he meant we have half the world's wealth and it's all been stolen.

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Because we stole it?

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Yeah.

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Because that makes sense.

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No, no, no, no.

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He was saying since the time that we used to have half the world's wealth, it has all

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been stolen from us.

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But that doesn't make sense.

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It sure doesn't.

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Because we kind of stole half the world's wealth.

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Right?

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Didn't we?

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Interesting.

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I'm pretty sure we did.

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That's why it makes it even more tragic that he's bringing up South Africa immediately

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afterwards.

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I'm going to be honest.

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We, by which I mean white dudes, had a good run.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So, Jordan, now we come to the last guest of the show.

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Alex has set his piece.

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He's given his breakdown of the Watchmen.

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He's told a caller that if they want to plug things, they've got to bring content to the

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table.

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He's a limerick.

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All of this is totally cool.

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And now we get to this last guest.

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For some reason, the name of the last guest, just from a guess that popped into my mind

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and I don't know why, Danny Bonaduce.

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Is he going to have Danny Bonaduce?

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I don't know if he's ever been on.

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No, it's a guy named Greg Pound.

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And who he is is less important than what he brings up.

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Hi, Greg Pound does great work at FreeOurKids.com and FreeOurChildren.com.

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He calls up every week talking to the producer and he told me today and everything he's always

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told me turned out to be documented, that he wanted to come on about CPS grabbing people's

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children for not being vaccinated.

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And I've seen mainstream articles about that and I wanted to talk about that.

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I was ready for that.

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And then he said, no, I've got a guest on from the Tony Alamo or Alamo ministries and

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I'm familiar with how they've been persecuted and I've studied the case because listeners

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have sent me the news clips and articles for about a year.

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I've been researching and even thought about getting Tony Alamo on.

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It's been quite a witch hunt against this guy because people don't like politically

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what he's covering and what he's doing.

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So Tony Alamo is being persecuted.

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We got this Greg Pound who's coming on to talk about it.

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Let's see where he goes with this.

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Why is this Tony Alamo being persecuted?

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Let's go to pound town, Greg.

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There's always so much going on because you had your children kidnapped and the let in

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this.

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It said, I got the mainstream articles, lost her CPS license because she had mentally false

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find evidence.

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They don't care.

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You don't get your children back.

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Now your wife had another baby.

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She's in hiding so they can't get the baby.

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I haven't seen the baby in a few years.

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This is recapping for listeners who had told my producer you were coming on about kidnapping

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children for not being vaccinated.

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Is that specifically what we're talking about right now?

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Well, the thing is this Alamo ministries.com is basically, I mean, they do their studying

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and we know as parents that these immunizations aren't the best thing for our children.

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Okay.

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Specifically then I hadn't found out which group this was.

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I remember reading that they were going after him for not immunizing when there's no rules.

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They tried to take Charlie Sheen's children that was in the LA times because he doesn't

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vaccinate.

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Okay.

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So Tony Alamo's ministry is being persecuted because he doesn't want to vaccinate the children

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that are in his church.

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Alamo.

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Alamo.

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Yes.

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And that, I guess that's the narrative that we're putting forth.

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Okay, fine.

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I mean, look, you know, you do have a right to put your children in danger that way.

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I guess if the parents decide, I don't know, I mean, and we should give them smallpox.

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Sure.

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I mean, look, I don't know.

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Is that, is that the story where we're going to be going with it?

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I mean, I don't know.

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Is this going to change at all?

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Well, I mean, I've seen the cases, uh, with the Alamo case, uh, wasn't it that some parents

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spanked lightly, one of their children, and then that's why they're grabbing, I mean,

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let's talk about some of the things that have happened in this case.

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Angela.

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Yes.

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Well, one of the things is, is they did say that they had spanked their children.

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It was a parent, you know, spanking their children, but there's no law against that.

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There's no law, but they still take children because it's not real courts.

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So they're not real courts and they're taking these children because Tony Alamo is not vaccinating

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and then they're spanking kids.

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Hey, as somebody whose family members were in a cult that killed a kid via all the things

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that they just described, how about go fuck yourself?

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I mean, this all just seems so minor though, you know, I mean, this guy is clearly persecuted

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by the out of control government.

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There's no law against murdering your own children.

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Hey Jordan, I want to tell you a little bit about Tony Alamo.

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Let's hear about Tony Alamo.

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You don't know about this guy?

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Born in 1934 under the name Bernie Lazar Hoffman.

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That's not a good sign.

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Why does it, why do they, okay.

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Tony Alamo and his wife Susan began their ministry and mission for God in 1969.

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They formed Alamo Christian Ministries and set out to build a congregation.

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If there's anything I know about people who formed their ministry in 1969, no sinister

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elements at all.

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They did so, they built their church largely by going to inner city areas and preaching

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to the destitute and drug addicted, promising them food and shelter at their church.

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Of course, their church was located in rural Crawford County, Arkansas.

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So once the folks got out there, they'd realize they were kind of stuck and often decided

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to stay and ended up working for one of Alamo's businesses or at his farm for no pay other

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than room and board.

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I hear a Jim Baker going on right now.

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Some might call that slavery, but in this case, Tony Alamo demands that anyone who joins

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his church take a vow of poverty.

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So really, it would be impossible for them to be a member of his church and simultaneously

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take a salary.

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So he's really just cutting out the middle step of them having to give it back to the

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church after he paid them.

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You know, you could say the same thing about Jesus and Christianity.

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So for years, this appeared to be...

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That was kind of his thing.

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Yeah.

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For years, this appeared to be a very basic, exploitative, religiously based community.

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Tony was taking advantage of the people he recruited into his church, but he was also

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offering them drug treatment services, and there did appear to be some good work that

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he was doing by them.

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You know, people were able to get clean.

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I'm not saying that they were doing this necessarily by choice.

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There's some fucked up aspects to it.

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A hammer is about to be dropped, isn't it?

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Then in 1982, his wife Susan died of cancer, and by all accounts, Tony went off the deep

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end.

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Oh, so this is a fucking Heaven's Gate situation.

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For six months, he kept Susan's body on display in their church because he believed that he

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was capable of bringing her back to life.

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All right, that's not good.

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According to Alicia Frankowitz, who escaped the Alamo compound at the age of 15, quote,

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she and other compound children were told if they prayed hard enough, Alamo's wife Susan,

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who died from cancer after the compound moved to Arkansas, would rise from the dead.

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Each day she did not awaken, the children were beaten.

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Whoa!

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For every day?

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Yep.

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Though, though he is said to have lost it after his wife died, that does not mean that

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Tony wasn't a total lunatic cult leader before then.

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Tony employed a process of breaking down initiates and stripping them of their identity, as survivor

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Diane Bach told Oregon Live, quote, you slept on the floor in a sister's room.

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You didn't have beds.

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A few of the chosen ones had beds, but you didn't.

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His control relied on an insidious level of social shaming that kept people in line.

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Never heard that one before.

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Again, from Diane Bach, quote, they were told what to wear, what to say, what to think.

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All meals were served in the cafeteria with no choices.

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She said anyone could be publicly rebuked without warning, and most of the followers

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lived in constant fear.

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One day, Bach said, she petted a llama on the grounds.

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Soon an announcement came over the loudspeaker during a church service from Susan Alamo,

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who said there was, quote, something mentally wrong with Bach for petting the llama.

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Quote, that was the message.

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There was no explanation.

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The rest of the prayer meeting was a blur.

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The rebuke meant that others in the compound refused to interact in any fashion with Bach

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for several months.

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Ha, ha, that is brand new behavior for a cult.

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Yeah.

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As what?

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As time went on, naturally, Tony got more abusive.

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In September.

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What?

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In September 2008, federal.

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He didn't mellow?

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No, no.

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In September 2008, federal and state police raided Alamo's compound after receiving some

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complaints and engaging in a two year investigation.

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Remember the Alamo?

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Accused of physically and sexually abusing children, Tony claimed that it was, quote,

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a hoax, and when asked why he was being targeted, he replied, quote, why were they after Jesus?

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It's the same reason.

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Jesus is living within me.

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When the dust settled, Alamo was arrested and convicted of 10 counts in a federal indictment

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accusing him of transporting minors across state lines for the purpose of sex.

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He received 175 years in prison and died behind bars in 2017.

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That's somehow not long enough.

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No.

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Can we put his body on display for six months and beat anybody near him?

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Pray he doesn't come back?

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Yeah, no shit.

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The stories that came out in the investigation in the trial are the sickest of the sort of

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shit you always hear about cult leaders.

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Tony Alamo was running an abuse factory where he would bring in young girls between the

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ages of 8 and 16 and make them his bride.

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Jesus Christ.

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In court, his attorney appealed for mercy, asking them to the court consider Alamo's

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good works, to which one of his victims, Jane Doe number two, said, quote, I can't believe

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you have the audacity to ask for mercy.

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What mercy did you ever show us?

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One day less on a fast, maybe, or 139 strikes with a board instead of 140?

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Did you ever once have mercy on an 8-year-old body?

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That's a quote from trial for one of his victims.

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Cool, cool, cool, man.

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Thankfully, U.S. District Judge Harry Barnes was not interested in granting any leniency,

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and he said, quote, this court believes you should be incarcerated in federal prison for

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the rest of your natural life.

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Someday you will meet a judge with higher authority than me.

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May he have mercy on your soul.

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Earlier this year in 2018, two of Alamo's child brides came forward to share their stories,

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and it's as bad as you would expect.

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Amy Eddy was 14 when she was forced to marry Tony, and Pebbles Rodriguez was 12.

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They lived as his brides for around a decade and were regularly beaten, starved, and raped.

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Amy described her time in the cult, quote, I was terrified that if I didn't do what I

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was supposed to do when he told me to do it, no matter what it was, I'm going to hell.

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Amy and Pebbles were two of the young girls who were freed during the 2008 raid, which

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Alex and his guests here on this show are trying to present as some instance of the

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government coming and stealing innocent people's children because they refused to get vaccines

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or were spanked by their parents.

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So that's the way that he is presenting this serial child rapist as somebody who lightly

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spanks people.

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I almost think that Alex doesn't really care about the victims.

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Now here's where things get real messy.

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Alex repeatedly, already in the shit that we've listened to, has said he's looked into

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this.

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He said he's studied it because people have been telling him for a year to look into this.

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He's claiming that if he's looked into it at all, he would find...

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The arrest and the raid was in 2008.

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We're in 2009.

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We're in March 2009 here.

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A lot of this information has come out.

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Now, granted, he's not sentenced until September of 2009, but a lot of this information has

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come out.

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And the children who were taken out were fucking rescued.

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If you listen to Amy and Pebbles, they're telling of it, it was a being saved.

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If you listen, if you hear the accounts from other, even adult members of the church who

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managed to escape, it's the sort of thing that has lasted the rest of their lives.

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They're like 50-year-old people who still can't make choices because of the brainwashing

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and the abuse that they suffered at Tony Alamo's hands.

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It's all this church was about.

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It was about him stealing all of their money and mentally fucking over and abusing all

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of these people.

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He had a harem of child brides.

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That's fucked up.

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Totally fucked up.

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It's fucked up.

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Yeah.

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I hate to continue saying that I'm against the death penalty, but some guy's just gotta

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fucking go.

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You gotta.

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You can't.

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You can't.

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No.

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You just, just know like you're not a member of the human race.

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Goodbye.

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And if you're a truth teller, if you're someone who's doing a radio show where you purport

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to have like all the best information, you can't, you cannot allow some guest to blindside

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you and make you endorse the Alamo church.

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No, cause you know what he's endorsing?

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Child fucking rape.

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Yes.

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All of this shit, all of the pedophile rings, all of that shit, he's actually supporting

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a guy who runs a fucking pedophile ring.

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Yup.

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Alex Jones.

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Fuck.

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Alex Jones straight up is endorsing Tony Alamo.

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God damn it.

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Yeah man.

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I told you it was going to be one of the worst things ever.

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Fucking Christ.

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Now to make it even worse.

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Jesus.

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I want to go back to find the cult leader that my parents lived with and fucking murder

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that piece of shit.

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I thought you were going to say I want to go back to the watchman.

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No.

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I kind of want to go back to the watchman, I have a lot of thoughts.

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So Jordan, during Alamo's trial- Self indulgent at times, Dan.

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During Alamo's trial, quote, across the street, Antavia Meigs, a former follower, held a sign

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which read, you reaped what you sowed, no mercy.

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Meigs' three children, ages four, five, and six, were last seen in the custody of John

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and Jennifer Kolbeck.

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John Kolbeck is a fugitive who's wanted for allegedly beating kids and adults at Alamo's

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bidding.

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He, one of the former members of the church, kidnapped three of this lady's children.

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She's not seen them since.

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He's a fugitive on the run.

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So Alex's entire story that he's telling about the idea that the government came and kidnapped

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these people's children when they were rescuing child brides of a cult leader, it actually,

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when you dig a little bit deeper into the story, you find that that cult did kidnap

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people's children.

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He's on the exact wrong side of this.

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Wait, did he get caught?

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Tony Alamo?

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No, no, the guy stole the children.

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I don't have a follow-up on that.

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I'm sorry.

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I just said, yeah.

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God damn it.

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I hope he did.

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Can we do...

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Fucking hope he did.

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Are our fucking...

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Are our posses still allowed?

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Can we get a posse together?

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Is that what we do?

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What you need to do is you need to go out in public.

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Do we get fucking horses?

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You need to go out in public with a big boombox, like your Radio Raheem, and just play Beer

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for My Horses by Toby Keith.

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Oh, that'll do it.

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That'll do it.

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And Willie Nelson.

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Willie Nelson shows up.

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The whole...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Find all the rope in Texas, find a tall oak tree, hang a ball and bad boys for the people

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to see.

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You just...

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In your daily life, you just don't believe that these monsters are real.

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Totally.

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And these monsters are fucking real.

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Totally.

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This is a real...

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Totally.

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God damn it.

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It's very fucked up to realize that these people exist, and then it's further fucked

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up for me to go about my business doing this show and learning so many horrible things

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about Alex Jones, and then stumble into on the show where he's fucking hilariously saying

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Ozzy Van Damus a bunch.

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And then at the end...

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How do you...

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How do you do both?

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How?

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How do we do both, Dan?

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On the same episode.

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I'm waiting for you to sue me for PTSD in three years.

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Like this is my fault.

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This is fucking...

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You can't...

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You can't...

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How do you do this?

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I just don't understand.

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Like isn't that why we're so fascinated by serial killers and cult leaders and by Alex

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Jones is like, what happened that broke a human brain to the point where now it is completely

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divorced from any concept of empathy or even sympathy?

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Just mentally non-existent.

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Just a pure creature of self-interest.

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I don't understand it.

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Now it's even more fucked up as I don't think that's a fair assessment of what Alex is doing.

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I really don't.

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I don't think at the end of this episode him talking to this guy and accidentally or intentionally

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endorsing Tony Alamo, I don't think he's acting in self-interest.

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I think he's trying to cover his lack of awareness about anything.

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I think he's trying to spackle over how stupid he is by pretending that he knows about this

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actual case.

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He doesn't know shit about this.

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If he actually did know anything about it, he would absolutely not be on board with this.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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You know what?

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I want to say.

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I want to believe you.

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I genuinely do.

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I want to believe that what you're saying makes sense, but the more we learn about Alex,

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the more it's like he'll defend anybody who owns the, who like exists outside of what

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the liberals want you to believe.

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And even if that includes fucking child rape.

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I find it so impossible to believe that that societal taboo would be something that he

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would be okay with.

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And then maybe that's just my feeling that there's that sliver of humanity left in him,

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but I might be wrong too.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I think it's more likely that he's just fucking stupid and he expected to talk about just

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vaccine bullshit with this guy and he brings in the Alamo stuff and Alex can't show ass

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on air and be like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Or just be like, let's rebook.

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I have more thoughts about Ozzie Mandamus.

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Let's just go with that or something.

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I remember when he bit the head off of a bat.

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I think he's, I think it's probably mostly posturing, I think.

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But that might be the most optimistic reading that's possible.

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So we now know about, once again, the stupid evil continuum becomes a fucking fraught conversation.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, I'm going to skip this one.

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It just makes it clear that this Greg Pound guy is a part of the Alamo ministries.

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Oh, he is?

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Yeah.

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So this Greg Pound guy is actually in the game on the Alamo.

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It appears so.

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Yeah.

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I can't say a hundred percent, but based, I'll play this clip.

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I'll let you see what I mean.

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The way he's phrasing things, there's a lot of inclusive language when he talks about

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the group, which he never directly says I'm a part of this group, but it feels like he's

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expressing communion.

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Alex, I want to thank you for being there, because every time I've called, you have opened

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your program up in order for us to cry out as parents.

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I mean, I haven't seen my kids now for over a year.

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This has gone on for four years.

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For three years, we could only see them one hour a month.

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You should never see your fucking kids again.

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Alamoministries.com.

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And look, they put on their website the stipulations when they go to visit their kids, what they

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can and can't say.

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They can't whisper to their children.

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They can't.

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And this is what they're doing.

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They're isolating the parents and the children, and if they destroy our families, we have

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no nation.

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And there's no new process, there's no nothing, and they're clearly targeting Christians everywhere

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particularly.

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This is persecution.

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So I don't know what to do with this Greg guy.

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I hate him, but I don't know what to do with him.

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I don't know what box to put him in, in terms of him being like a facilitator between Alamo

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and Alex, or actually-

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Dan, I'm going to go with coffin on this one.

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I'll tell you what box to put him in, Dan.

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I can't find any information about Greg Pound on the internet either, so I tried to look

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into who is this guy.

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I can't find shit about him.

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That's probably a pseudonym.

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He was born, what, Bernie whatever.

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Hoffman.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Alex, I think that he should have started the interview with this

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and then not- Continued the interview ever?

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And then also not said what he says at the end of this clip.

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Greg, you know, a lot of times when you call us, it's such short notice.

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We need to really, you know, make sure that next time you come on, I specifically know

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everything we're going to be covering, but give us the Alamo Ministries site again and

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recap anything else you want to cover.

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Well, it's AlamoMinistries.com, and if you just go there and study this ministry, it's

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hard to believe that they can take 37 children out there and then have a pickup order for

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120 more.

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It's not hard to believe at all.

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It's very gracious.

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It's the best thing they could do for these poor fucking kids.

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So here's the last clip where- Oh, boy.

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But the thing is, like Alex saying, when you come on, you got to let me know what we're

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going to talk about.

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Hey, that's good.

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You should go with that.

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Yeah.

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Go with that.

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Yeah, stick on that one.

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But then while you're sort of tacitly admitting that you don't know what you're talking about,

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don't then allow this guy to plug Alamo Ministries.

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Don't do that.

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You don't know what you're letting this guy plug.

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And then Alex says this.

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Come, you masters of war.

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Stalin, Hitler, Mao, they all go after the children.

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The state always tries to take over the future.

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Angela and others, what I'm going to do is, Greg, bringing you up, what I need you to

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do is get like an hour and a half with you and Pastor Tony Alamo of Alamo Ministries

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on.

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I've been meaning to cover this.

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There's just so many cases of them grabbing children, harassing churches, and it's been

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proven that they've made almost everything up, and now they're saying they're taking

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the children over vaccines.

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I want to do justice to this instead of it just being all over the map.

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So you know, I mean, I would guess you've talked to Pastor Alamo.

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Alex, the church is like a sleeping giant, and if the church doesn't wake up in America,

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I mean, if you could tap into the church and get the church woken up, I mean, this battle

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will be over.

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Yeah.

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We don't have a lot of time left.

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I'm saying, can we set up a longer interview with you guys?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that'll work.

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That's true.

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Ah.

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Are we still doing this?

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Nope.

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I mean, that speaks for itself, man.

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That's disgraceful.

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It's awful.

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I don't know what else to say other than Alex, whether intentional or just through his own

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stupidity is running a propaganda PR front for a guy who marries kids.

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That's...

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Oh, also, you're not going to get that hour long interview with him because that guy is

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in jail.

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So...

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Well, he could always go visit him with a fucking pencil.

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Or a crayon.

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Yeah.

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Crayon.

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Yep.

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Christ.

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Yeah, I know.

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That's a real bummer deflating...

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That is...

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...thing to end this episode with.

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How do you do that?

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This is why the show is still...

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How do you fucking do it?

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This is why the show in 2009 for me is so interesting as opposed to in the present.

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In the present, we're seeing the self-destruction of someone who I do think is kind of dangerous

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to himself.

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And it's not really fun.

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It's harder to laugh at him.

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And it's still hard to laugh at him promoting a sex cult that's abusing children.

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I'm fine with a sex cult.

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It's the abusing children part that's the issue.

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Agreed.

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It's the same kind of swing and sex cult in liberal lives.

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Hey!

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Hey!

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It's tough, but...

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Call that Tuesdays.

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At the same time, this is a fascinating show, archaeologically, anthropologically.

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Looking back at this, this is incredibly fascinating, the way he can set out to deconstruct Watchmen,

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get everything wrong with it, come up with a bunch of other bullshit along the way, try

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and sell some water filters, and then stumble like Mr. Magoo ass-backwards into endorsing

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a child rapist.

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The thing that he is ostensibly most against.

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This is a fascinating time for him.

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I don't know how else to put it.

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This is crazy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that is...

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It is interesting to watch him be wrong about everything always.

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Like this episode is maybe...

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And profoundly wrong.

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He's maybe the most wrong he's been for a contiguous period of time.

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Well, the most wrong...

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Like with no redeemings.

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Any time we've talked about him, there's been one moment where you're like, yep, you know

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what?

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You're not wrong about that.

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Why you're not wrong about it is wrong, but you're not wrong about it.

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And then this episode is like, he's an unrepented piece of shit, ignorant bastard.

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And it's so fun because it's so many different kinds of wrong.

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It's like he's trying to bat for the cycle within an episode.

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Like trying to get a single, a double, a triple in a home run as wrong.

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Trying to be wrong on every count.

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It's crazy.

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I mean, it hurts your humanity to some extent to hear this sort of thing.

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But at the same time, just from my end, I would do this all day as opposed to talking

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about him in the present.

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But Greg Pound has been on before.

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Yeah, but I've not heard it.

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So he hasn't been on in the 2008 or 2009 episodes that I've listened to.

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Right.

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So that means that Alex was aware of Alamo Ministries, right?

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He has to have been on some level.

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But I don't know.

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We can't say for sure if Greg Pound's other appearances have had to do with Alamo or not.

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I'm convinced it's Alamo.

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I've read that the emphasis on the second syllable.

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But...

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I know.

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But it's hard not to say Alamo.

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Alex is also being tricked by his love of Colonel Travis.

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Yeah, of course.

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And the Alamo.

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He's like, oh, they named it Alamo.

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Tony Alamo?

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Tony Alamo?

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Well, I got to defend this fucking guy.

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You can't be wrong.

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Yeah.

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That's just science.

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So, yeah, I mean, I think other times he's been on, he's probably talked about more like

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CPS has taken kids kind of narratives, vaccines are being forced on people, stuff that's more

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germane to Alex's bread and butter.

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Whereas this, I mean, the way that Alex said, even in that clip, like, you got to let me

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know what we're going to talk about ahead of time.

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That indicates to me that that's even a departure a little bit from what the two of them usually

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talk about.

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It indicates to me that Alex is a little bit uncomfortable, but not, I think the uncomfortableness

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is he recognizes...

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He's being taken off guard.

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He's slightly out of his depth.

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He can't speak with authority about Alamo ministries except for to use his normal platitudes.

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He can't bring up like document 501B, 49er, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I know about this church and I'm going to stand on it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly.

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He can't grandstand at all.

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He has to sort of play passive.

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He's like, he's out of position to use poker terminology.

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You know, it's just, it's weird to me.

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It's weird.

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And it's super weird on this level of like, you look at this 2009 stuff, he's not playing

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good defense, but he has the instinct to play defense, you know, a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that's fascinating.

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The psychology is very, I don't know.

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It's just, I don't know what to say because I feel like anything, bless you, I feel like

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anything I say is too close to like intellectualizing this horror that is the end of this episode.

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I don't want to do that.

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I think that is part of the pitfall of the detachment of 10 years or whatever, you know,

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like we're not talking about if Alex was doing this in present day, it'd be, I don't know,

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I don't know how, like I'm already fucking furious, you know, like, but with the distance

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of 10 years, you're like, well, I mean, of course he defended a child rapist.

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Like, well, that doesn't make sense at all.

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But yeah, it's a rational detachment.

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I mean, he's defending Kavanaugh.

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It's not a one-to-one parallel, but it might as well be.

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It's I mean, Jesus, these fucking guys, man, these fucking guys, fucking wild.

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They're everywhere.

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All right, Jordan, let's end this.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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This has been fun and not fun as is the case with all of our episodes.

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We leave both simultaneously and separate.

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Our brand is hilarious and no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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There's not a lot of shows that can go from Ozzy Mandamus to child rapists are good.

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Like that's hard to do.

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Right.

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Hey, this guy who marries children is being persecuted because some parents spanked a

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kid.

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Hard to do.

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Charles Manson had some good ideas.

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That sounds like me.

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He was an environmentalist.

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Our website is knowledgefight.com.

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You guys want to check that out?

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We have some stuff there.

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More coming in the future.

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There's a lot that will be there soon.

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Are there places where you could find us that you could not perhaps find Alex Jones?

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Twitter.

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You could?

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At knowledge underscore fight.

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Yep.

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Facebook.

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Facebook.

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You were there.

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There's a group called Facebook.

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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

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I'm sick and tired of selling my blood.

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I'll still do it until like I don't have to, you know, but, uh, I was in there today and

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I texted you about this, Jordan.

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There was a real aggressive conversation going on about the Bill Cosby sentencing that I

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did not appreciate.

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There were just people yelling about how he's innocent.

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Oh boy.

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And I believe the choice quote was, they're never going to lock up Weinstein cause that

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guy is a Jew.

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I was like, Oh no.

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I gotta get out of here.

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I can't handle this.

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I can't handle this.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if this is a reverse Pez dispenser.

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I don't know what's going on here.

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It was just wild.

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It was very aggressive and anti-woman, the conversation that was going on over there

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at the blood center.

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I can't imagine a group of dudes being anti-wither.

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God damn it.

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It was very uncomfortable.

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Um, but if you want to support the show, please do.

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If you want to support the show, you're going to need to, because that's the only way we're

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going to get Weinstein locked up.

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Apparently.

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Sure.

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Also, you know, it's hard to say what's worse about Alex.

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Is it a sort of being a public relations guy for a child marrying cult or is it the fact

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that we always need to remind people that he probably technically killed a dude.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.