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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan

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I'm Jared we're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Joe indeed

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That is what we do Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Jordan

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Why in God's name would you listen to this podcast? Maybe you're disenchanted with meaningless talk. I

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Couldn't keep that up. You have come to the wrong place. Yeah, this is all a hot load of bullshit

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I don't know

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I think

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Are we gonna

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Because I do I did I don't know anything about Alex Jones. I know a lot about him

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We've got to change that from why would anyone listen to this show to like what is the like?

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I don't know how to fix this. You're giving me notes. No, cuz I didn't finish

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I thought we got a good bit out of it

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I thought we got a good joke next bit is gonna be us having a

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Meeting about our introduction Jordan today. We haven't I hate it when my boss comes down on me

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Well, it's gonna be a horrible meeting. Oh, wow. You don't need to sit down. Okay, it's one of the

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I've had a lot of those meetings in my life. Pack up your things and leave my room. Yeah. So, Jordan, today we got an interesting show but before we get to it I would like to give a shout out to a couple of new donors. We're thrilled about it.

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Thank you so much. First of all going out to Dan G. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much, Dan. Great name.

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Love it. Strong name.

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Congratulations on becoming a policy wonk. Yes, and you will be joining Dan for his next podcast. How great is Dan? Dan's. Dan's a Dan of all, a Dan of the people. A Dan for all seasons.

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Any of these could be the name of my Dan Theon podcast. I'm a big fan of Dan on Fire starring, uh, yeah. First episode of the podcast, Dan Cortez. Oh, yeah, there you go. Second episode, Wilford Brimley.

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Wilford Brimley? Yes. Okay. Also, I'd like to give a shout out to another new donor. What's going on out there, Fred? I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much, Fred. Thank you very much, Fred. I'm a policy wonk. Ah, Jesus.

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Isn't that how you become a policy wonk? Dan, it sounds too easy. It sounds too good to be true. Oh, how could you? Have you ever tried to donate to a podcast and you're like, I don't know what's going on. Well, try the click the support the show button. Yep.

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That's the best way. So Jordan, I've teased this. And today we are beginning the next investigation into Alex Jones's past. Famously, over the course of most of last year, we dug deep into what happened to get Alex Jones to join up with Team Trump.

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Right. And we came away with a pretty solid consensus that it was artificial inflation of his traffic via dummies and bots because he admitted on air that his traffic had tripled and his sales were flat. Yep.

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Mysteriously, no one buying anything but three times the traffic. It's very suspicious. Also, the insidious influences of Roger Stone and Steve Pachannik showing up with their 45 group right around the same time. Right. Right. So we've got a pretty good handle on that.

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There's there's other intricacies that you can go back and listen to hundreds of hours of recording. Yes. Yes. Perhaps laboriously covered. It is maybe the most exhaustive, exhaustive coverage of the oh, yeah, you knew why. Yeah.

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It's the it's one of the most in-depth and long investigations that no one asked for. No. And it turns out I'm doing another.

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I am interested to figure out Alex Jones presents himself as the person who's most responsible for the Tea Party. Right. He believes himself to be a leader of the Tea Party from the jump.

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And I want to explore the realities or lies therein. Also along the way, because of the timeline, we'll be covering Barack Obama's first election. We'll be covering the primary where Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were going for the Democratic nomination. Right.

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We'll see where his his head is at along that road. There's going to be a lot of interesting stuff because the Tea Party in earnest came to the forefront of the national consciousness in the beginning of 2009.

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Yeah. Immediately after a black man was elected. Mysteriously quick. Yeah. After that, however, odd. However, odd how quick it happened. However, if you actually look into the history of it, it had been something that had been sort of roiling under the surface.

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Thanks to the Koch brothers. Oh, yeah. For a while before that. But we will get into a lot of that and try and figure out what is what exactly along the way. And in doing so, I hope we'll be able to learn more about Alex Jones's true center, like exactly what is bullshit and what is actually important to him.

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Like, we know guns are super important. Yes. Absurdly so. And we know that chimeras are strangely important to him. But beyond that, there's so much of these trappings that we see in his day to day, especially currently.

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Like, it doesn't seem sincere. It just seems like he's a Trump apologist. Right. I think it's more interesting, I think, to go back to 2008 just because he is still relatively under the radar back then.

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It's true. Compared to now, where he's showing up in all kinds of places that he wishes he weren't. Back then, in 2008, it was like, oh, yeah, that crazy guy. I've heard some crazy shit about him.

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There weren't tons of blogs covering him. He wasn't getting sued by everybody. He could just slander and everyone would be like, who? Right. He was happily married to his first wife.

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Didn't make as much money. And therein lies perhaps where he sold his soul. And also, as we covered in another episode from 2008, previously he seemed much happier.

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Much happier. Just singing the Highwayman. Oh, yeah. For half of an episode. He never woke up in the morning and said, oh, God, why did I fucking hitch my wagon to this fucking insane lunatic? I thought I was supposed to be crazy.

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He just had Ron Paul that he's hitched his wagon to because that seems to be consistent through all of this history. Game-recognized game, Dan.

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We'll get into all of the intricacies and nonsense along the way. And I'm just going to admit it up front. I started this investigation too early.

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So we're going to have an even more exhaustive investigation. I didn't know when the primary season started in earnest. And so I started on March 30th of 2008.

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So today we're covering March 30th and 31st, 2008. And at this point, nothing about the primary. Really?

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At one point, never mind. That's a spoiler for another episode. He's not anti-Obama at this point. No. He's not at all. In fact, he has an interview with someone that we'll talk about on a future episode.

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He's too anti-Hillary to... And he's saying stuff like Obama is going to get killed because he's an outsider. That sort of stuff. That's where his mind is at at this point.

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Okay. But still no talk about the primaries, no real talk about the election at all. So strange because if you... Like this election that we just had lasted eight years.

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It twisted my mind into thinking, of course they'll be talking about this in March. Yeah, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it makes you think that that's a reasonable thing for an election to take three years.

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No. Turns out it was not a hot topic back then. But what was? Let's start on March 30th and see what Alex is obsessed about. Okay. Spoiler alert. He's freaked out about CERN.

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And they shoot different particles of lead and uranium and plutonium and gold and other heavy elements at the speed of light into other elements. Or they accelerate them towards each other.

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And these things cost hundreds of billions of dollars to build. The European Union built the biggest one. They've got a whole bunch of them here in the U.S.

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And I'm going to get a bunch of top scientists and physicists on about this. Every time I mention this, people email me and say, man, you're not...

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Let's say like a bushel. About seven, about a rip of them. Yeah, stuff that isn't documented.

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And all I know is the head of the British Royal Society, the most prestigious in the world, who's a physicist, wrote a book 20 years ago saying this could easily destroy the planet or the solar system.

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There's a bunch of physicists that are now suing to block this new collider that the equations show that there is a possibility of basically any matter explosions is the simplest way to put it.

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It is the simplest way to put it.

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I mean, sometime this week, someday on the weekday show or maybe even tomorrow. In fact, Trey, my producer's in there yesterday, I dug up one of these physicists who's suing.

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That's where Trey came from.

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I sent that to you.

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It all makes sense now.

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We have a bunch of them on. And these are not quacks. These are high-respect occasions.

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And they're saying that equations are selling all sorts...

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Yeah, that's a tell.

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You shouldn't have to say, hey, and listen, you can trust these guys. They're not quacks. Why did you say that?

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I wouldn't have thought they were quacks because I'm used to non-quacks being on shows.

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You must have had General Stubblebine on recently and everyone's like, hold on, Alex, we don't know about this.

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Yeah.

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We don't know about your quackery.

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Perhaps to the point of detriment, you kind of think, well, if they're on CNN, they're not a quack. I can assume they're not a quack.

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So you get kind of comfortable with assuming that they're not quacks.

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Then you start looking at it now and you see the guest that some of these people have on or the New Yorker or the New York Times who they're hiring and you're kind of like, oh shit, maybe all of these people are quacks.

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There's a matter of vetting that Alex doesn't do and we're starting to realize that other places don't do as good a job of it either.

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No kidding.

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We had made a lot of assumptions and it turns out some of these people, oh boy, they belong on Infowars.

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Right.

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So it's trouble, it's trouble. Alex is pretty obsessed about this and he says that he's going to get these physicists on who aren't quacks.

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Right.

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And we will be dealing with that a little bit later. Suffice it to say, I mean not today, we'll be dealing with it on the next episode.

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I'm doing too much. I have some knowledge of the next couple episodes so this is a difficult place for me to be in.

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So they're getting a physicist who graduated from the homeopathy university or what kind of physicists are we getting?

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From what I can tell, this guy's actually pretty legit in terms of his credentials.

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Uh huh.

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At the same time, he's a guy who in 1999 said that colliding particles against each other will create huge black holes and destroy the universe.

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Right.

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And it didn't. And then here in 2008, he's trying to sue to stop CERN from being opened and it doesn't work out because the judge says that he's failed to prove in any way that there's, you know, the potential threat that would merit it.

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Right.

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And also, U.S. courts don't have jurisdiction over European scientific experiments.

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Odd.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Wait, so why did the judge even bother?

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Because you, I don't know.

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He's just having a, he's like, well this is better than some of my other cases I've taken recently. Might as well rule on this.

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I'm bored.

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Yeah.

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I don't know. I don't know exactly the process wherein you decide what gets on the docket and what doesn't.

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Because you would just toss it out. You don't have, like, you don't have standing?

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Yeah.

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I mean, unless you really believe it, in which case, of course you do, the entire world is going to be turned into a black hole.

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See, in that sense, I think you do have standing.

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Well, exactly.

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But in terms of jurisdiction, you do not.

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The sheriff is the highest law.

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That is true.

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In the land.

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Speaking of someone whose name sounds like a sheriff.

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All right, that was a perfect transition.

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Especially since I did a finger gun.

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You did do a finger gun.

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On this episode, pretty early on, Alex Jones has a visit from one Jim Mars.

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I don't know if you know who Jim Mars is.

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No.

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He's a gentleman who is notoriously, notoriously isn't the right word, he's pretty roundly looked at as one of the world's premier conspiracy theorists.

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Okay.

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Like, he's a big guy.

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How do you become a premier conspiracy theorist? Are your conspiracies better than everybody else's?

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He wrote a bunch of books about JFK and sort of he's seen as on the forefront of the JFK conspiracy.

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I don't know what that means.

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He also taught like an accredited college class on conspiracies.

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And I think that elevates him out of the muck into academia to some extent.

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So he's a professor of the conspiracy theories that he makes up.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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But also, it's important to know that he also wrote two books about ancient aliens.

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Oh, okay. All right.

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I don't, like...

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The more we learn about ancient aliens, Dan, the more they are still from there and not here.

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The stuff, like the conversations that you want to have about JFK, I'm all ears for.

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Yes.

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You know, like, I'm open to hearing arguments about the anti-Castro Cubans, the CIA, the Mafia.

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Yeah.

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I'm open to hearing any of these because that is a really fucked up thing that happened.

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Right.

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And I'm willing to believe that there was some sort of conspiracy involved there.

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And you know what? Frankly, it's just a more fun world.

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Somewhat, yes.

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If it wasn't just one lunatic who killed him.

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I don't know.

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You know?

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I don't know if it's fun.

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It's a more fun world.

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Perhaps.

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It's a more fantastical world.

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It's a more movie-like world.

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Well, whatever the case may be, I might or might not agree with you.

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I think it was actually Sirhan Sirhan who did it.

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He did both of them?

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He did both.

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Oh, boy.

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I don't know if it's more fun, but I don't think you're crazy if you believe in JFK conspiracies.

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Yes.

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In certain JFK conspiracies.

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Yeah, I'll listen to all of them, but yeah, you're right.

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There is a lot.

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Yeah, there's a lot.

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There's a lot.

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Like the Sirhan Sirhan.

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Right.

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Yes.

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I do think you're crazy if you believe in ancient aliens.

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Okay.

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All right.

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That's the line I want to make.

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Right.

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And Jim Mars is on both sides of that.

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So, I consider him to be someone who has credibility problems, but also researches.

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You say he's one of the foremost conspiracy theorists.

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That's the end of credibility to me.

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Somewhat.

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So, he's on the show to talk about RFK.

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He's here to talk about the RFK assassination.

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Right.

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So, here's a little clip of that.

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Well, of course, this is actually nothing new.

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Me and many other people, almost since the time of the Robert Kennedy assassination,

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have loudly tried to shout out that he was not killed by Sirhan Sirhan, who cannot remember

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anything that happened.

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So says Sirhan Sirhan.

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But what is happening is, and what makes these stories significant, is that after all these

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years and after all the further evidence, including scientific evidence, comes out,

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more and more people are waking up and beginning to realize that the so-called conspiracy theorists

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were actually right all along.

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The conspiracy theorists are right all along and people are realizing it.

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Every conspiracy theorist says that, though.

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Yeah.

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It is sort of like white noise at this point to have conspiracy theorists tell you they're

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right.

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Yeah.

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And that you need to wake up.

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So, a couple of things.

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I mean, Sirhan Sirhan and the assassination of RFK, there are some interesting elements

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of it that I think are not being told in terms of there is pretty compelling circumstantial

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evidence that there were other people involved.

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Oh, yeah.

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It looks like there was at least one woman who was involved and they may or may not have

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been stalking RFK previous to the assassination.

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To me, RFK is the one thing that I like.

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This is the one thing where I do not need any evidence.

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I am just going to come out and say that I swear to God, I think the FBI killed RFK.

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Really?

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I really do.

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Well...

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I really do.

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Mainly because RFK was perhaps becoming the most compassionate and progressive candidate

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in the history of the United States.

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Right.

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The speech that he gave on the day that Martin Luther King Jr. died, who, by the way, was

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also murdered by the FBI.

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On the day that Martin Luther King Jr. died, he came out and gave an off-the-cuff speech

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that was one of the more...

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I mean, a lot of people credit it with the fact that the city he was in didn't riot because

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they heard that speech.

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Right.

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Right.

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That's how serious he was.

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He spent so much time going overseas and seeing all of this starvation firsthand.

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Yeah.

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And he really made this change.

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And he was going to win.

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Like, he was crushing the other candidate at the time, who was what, Walter Mondale

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or whatever?

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Humphrey.

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Humphrey.

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God.

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In the primary.

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Yeah.

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Humphrey lost to Nixon.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Look, this is, again, a conversation that I'm fine having.

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Right.

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This is super crazy if you believe this.

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But, also, the idea that Sirhan Sirhan did it also isn't crazy.

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Oh, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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Absolutely not.

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I'm going to read to you from the court transcript of Sirhan Sirhan's trial.

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Sirhan Sirhan.

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Quote.

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Oh, I totally did that shit.

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End quote.

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He's asked.

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He's asked.

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So then there was a time the love turned to hate because he had previously said that he

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liked RFK.

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Yes.

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Was that at a time when Senator Kennedy was a candidate for the President of the United

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States?

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Right?

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His answer.

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Yes.

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It was during the time he was, but not exactly specifically, when it turned into hate.

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Not only that, hate really, because I still loved him.

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But when he came out with his support for the State of Israel and when he said he would

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give them 50 Phantom jet bombers to Israel.

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And then the questioning resumes.

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At that time he was the candidate for President of the United States.

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Answer.

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Yes.

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Question.

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Did you tell all of that that you hate him?

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Hate then and then he's cut off.

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No, but it was enough for me, sir, that anything that has to do with Israel or the Zionists

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or support of Israel, that is enough cause for me, sir, to hate him.

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Question.

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But not all of that.

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Answer.

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Well, enough, sir, to have an impression only.

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Question.

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Enough to kill him?

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Answer.

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I don't know about that, sir.

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Question.

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Well, didn't you just tell us here a few days ago that if you had him right there you would

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have blasted him.

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The answer.

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At the time he came out and said he would send those 50 jet bombers, I would have done

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that.

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Question.

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You would have done that?

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Answer.

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Yes, I'm a very impulsive person.

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Whatever my objective would be.

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This is a great conversation.

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Whatever my objective would be, it's just good for that time only.

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So.

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That's like an interrogation in the drunk tech.

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Just like, yeah, I mean, I might have.

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I mean, I could have.

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I certainly would have at that point.

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I mean, it's possible.

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Like, when it happened, maybe I would have.

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But I don't know if I did have.

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I don't remember, but I was there and I was shooting.

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I don't know.

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All the stuff about.

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Who among us?

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All the stuff about like brain control and stuff like that is also murky because he wrote

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in a, like they found his diary and there was an entry that said, my determination to

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eliminate RFK is becoming more and more of an unshakable obsession.

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RFK must die.

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RFK must be killed.

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Robert F. Kennedy must be assassinated.

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So.

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These guys always keep a diary, don't they?

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That's because they're fucking mentally ill.

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I know.

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That's what I'm saying.

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There's a compulsion.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, if you write RFK must die twice, like a teenage girl writing that she loves somebody,

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you're going to kill that person.

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Most likely.

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And, you know, psychiatrists and psychologists have gone on record and say that he's like

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a manipulative person and also of dual natures and fairly schizophrenic.

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And that falls in line with someone who would probably want to tell you that I don't remember

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that murder.

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Never heard of it.

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Right.

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And if you believe a murderer who says, I don't remember that murder, that's on you.

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Because, as we went over on that Project Camelot episode about Mark Richards, he says he was

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off planet during the murder he was involved with.

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Well, he was.

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So are you going to take him at his word?

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I would.

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I would assume so.

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I don't know.

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I'm going to look at a preponderance of the evidence and I'm going to say.

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The FBI did it.

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Fine.

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You can have that.

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You can have that.

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I'm not as convinced of that.

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And Jim Mars would have more credibility if he hadn't written two books about ancient

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aliens.

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And if he didn't say this, they get into talking about Americans who supported the Nazis.

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Yeah, the names of prominent Americans who supported Hitler is pretty amazing.

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You've got Watson of IBM.

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You've got Henry Ford of Ford Motor Company.

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You've got Chase Bank and John J. McCloy.

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Chase Bank is impressed.

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The Dulles Brothers.

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Nope.

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And Alex brings up the Bushes, but conspicuous in their absence from that list is Fred Koch.

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Never heard of him.

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The Koch brothers' father, Fred Koch.

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No idea.

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In World War II, he partnered with an American Nazi sympathizer named William Rhodes Davis

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to help build the third largest oil refinery in the Third Reich.

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He also made a ton of money selling cracking stills to Stalin.

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And then, after that, he would go on to create the anti-communist and anti-Semitic John Birch

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Society.

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Yeah.

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Mysterious in his absence, though, in that list.

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There's a lot of people that they list, and Fred Koch is a big one among those names.

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I mean, sure, he may have had an outsize impact.

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Sure, he may be perhaps personally responsible for at least 40 percent of a lot of the war

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crimes.

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But, you know, he doesn't remember it.

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He said that he didn't know what was going on.

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He was like, he felt like he might have done it at the time, but he wasn't sure.

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Oh, you're going with the Sirhan.

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Exactly.

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Sirhan defense.

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The Sirhan defense is my favorite chess opening gambit.

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What's super interesting if you look at the history of Fred Koch, too, is that when he

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went over and worked with Stalin, he came back as an anti-communist.

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He was really anti what he saw over there.

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Right.

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This was not the case with fascism.

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Oh, no.

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He did not become like an anti-fascist dude, and still him and his sons have trafficked

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with Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers for a large part of their careers and lives.

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Right.

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So that's interesting to me.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if it's like intentional leaving them off the list, because you do have those

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people.

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I mean, we talked about Watson.

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He definitely had some inclination towards.

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Ford, absolutely.

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He also was responsible for disseminating the protocols of the Elders of Zion at one

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point.

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You know, there is a lot of troubling history of U.S. business interests and the Nazis.

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I mean, if you run your business like a fascist dictator, you have to assume that you're going

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to be a big fan of fascist dictators.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Ford had a morality code and you had to do all of this shit, and there was a whole

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lifestyle that you had to live by just to work for him, like he controlled every aspect

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of your life.

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Right.

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That guy is going to be like, dictators are pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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I'd do it.

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Well, I get the mentality that you're describing, but I'm just talking about like, why isn't

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this on the list?

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Oh, yeah.

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Why aren't you?

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And to be fair, this isn't the strongest sentiment that I have, but it's curious, because Alex

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does talk about these Americans who worked with Nazis all the time.

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Yeah.

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And Fred Koch never comes up.

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Well, of course not.

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And so that might be a little reason to be suspicious.

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Also it turns out, I don't think that they think Hitler was that bad.

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Well, they put Hitler in power and then shut him up.

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I mean, I mean, you know, but that's all mainstream history.

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I can't wait.

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I'm going to carry the book.

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So I like now history is also mainstream history.

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It's mainstream history.

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Can't we just have, can't we just have history?

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Wouldn't that be nice?

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That would be nice.

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Cause history is, you think it's predicated on facts.

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Yeah.

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You would think.

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It's not.

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No.

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Um, so at this point-

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You know why?

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It all changed whenever the FBI murdered RFK.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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So at this point we have, um, you know, a very weird, uh, Hitler was set up, uh, declaration

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by Alex.

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And now-

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In what way was he set up?

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Who knows?

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But now-

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Did they set him up for one crime or all of them?

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Probably all of them.

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That's what I was-

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Probably all of them?

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Yeah, probably all of them.

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He was trying to have a, like he was just a dumb and dumber situation where he's just

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bumbling throughout the Holocaust, like, well, I'll sign off on this paper.

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Like, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Was he Mr. Magoo?

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Yeah, you married a coat rat.

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Everyone thought it was Eva Braun.

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No.

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Nope.

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Blonde wig on a coat rack.

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Right.

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That's why she survived in that bunker.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, it's now as good a time as any to go to two very weird commercials that Alex

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plays on this episode that I don't know what to make of, and, uh-

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With a word about Israel, here's best-selling author and Bible teacher Kay Arthur.

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If you could only visit one country, one nation, on the face of this earth, it should be Israel,

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because then you'll never be the same.

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To start planning your trip to Israel today, call 1-888-77-ISRAEL or visit www.goisrael.com.

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You'll never be the same.

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So that's weird.

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That's weird.

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This is even weirder.

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Listen to this.

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Here's a word about Israel from Dr. Jack Hayford, president of the International Church of the

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Four Square Gospel.

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To go to Israel is to change the way you will ever approach the Bible.

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The Bible becomes based in an entirely deeper and richer way because you have been where

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it happened.

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You'll never be the same when you visit Israel.

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To start planning your trip to Israel today, visit www.goisrael.com.

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You'll never be the same.

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That's crazy.

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He plays two commercials about going to Israel.

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I want to know who wrote that jingle.

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I can tell you what business wrote it.

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No!

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I can tell you.

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It was Larry Nichols?

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Yeah, it was.

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He was a jingle writer.

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Those are ads for Go Israel.

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And I looked into it.

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You go to their website, goisrael.com, and you scroll down.

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G-O-I-S-R-A-E-L.

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Go Israel.

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If you scroll down all the way down the page, you will see that the site is owned and operated

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by the Ministry of Tourism of the Israeli government.

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Well, yeah, it had to be.

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It's not like those two people were travel agents.

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No.

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This is from the Israeli government tourism board.

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And he was the head of the Foursquare church?

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I don't care.

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I do.

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I want to know exactly what kind of Foursquare they're playing.

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No cherry bombs.

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Well, you gotta have cherry bombs.

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No cherry bombs.

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You can't not have cherry bombs.

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Look, you're glossing over something that I find incredibly weird.

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Because I want to make it totally clear off the top, I don't think this in any way proves

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that Alex Jones is an agent of Israel, like so many of his critics claim.

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No, of course not.

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But it is proof, indisputable proof, that Genesis Communications Network was making

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ad revenue off the Israeli government in 2008.

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Well, yeah.

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And that's wild.

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Because I don't hear any other commercials for, go to Guatemala, or go to other countries.

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I don't know why the Israeli government was like, Infowars is where we're going to get

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some great tourists.

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Right.

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There's that.

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That's bananas to me.

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There's that.

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Like, they must have just been blank at, you know, let's put ads out on everything and

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not really paying attention to what they're doing.

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See, I don't think it was Infowars, I think it was Genesis Communications Network.

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Right.

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I think it's a network thing.

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So it's just, this is before Alex had his own 24 hour...

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Well, I mean, most of the commercials that play are for Endgame, the documentary, and

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other documentaries.

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Most of it is in-house commercials for his documentaries and books and stuff.

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And then every now and again, something like this.

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And I gotta be honest, it threw me for a crazy loop.

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I don't know what to make of it.

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So after going to go to Israel.com, you were never the same?

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I'm still the same.

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But I'm confused.

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You'll never be the same.

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It's almost as good as Diamond Gusset.

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But it's crazy, man.

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It is nuts.

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I don't, like, again, I don't...

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Why is that so nuts to you?

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Because, look, I don't agree with their conclusion, but one of the pieces of argument that Alex's

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anti-Semitic critics make against him is absolutely true.

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Genesis Communications was making money directly from the government of Israel.

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Yeah, but that's just like, it was the tourism board.

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Like the tourism board, you know, there's so many, so many, you see billboards and shit

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for like, go to Mexico.

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This is a Royal Caribbean cruise ad.

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I understand that you see, like, go to Wyoming on the CTA buses, paid for by the Wyoming

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tourism board.

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Which is actually where you'll see where the Bible happened.

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But it would be different if...

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You're trying to get through that.

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It would be different if all CTA bus drivers were anti-Wyomingites.

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Their worldview was based on lies about Wyoming.

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And everyone...

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How do you know that's not true?

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And everybody who criticized Ventra said that they secretly worked for Wyoming.

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That's what would make it, that's what makes it very difficult for me.

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Like if I were Alex Jones and I were Ted Anderson, I would say thank you tourism board of Israel.

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We appreciate the offer, but we don't want to accept this because we are afraid it would

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give the appearance of the thing that we are inaccurately criticized about all the time.

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It seems like bad optics for us.

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Thank you very much, but we have to pass.

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That's what I...

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But again, this goes back to my argument about his anti-Semitic critics in that they give

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him cover.

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So he can be as anti-Semitic as he wants and they are like, you're not an anti-Semite.

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So he's running this commercial to bait them?

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Exactly.

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That way he can play the victim if you call him anti-Semitic.

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He's like, look, these guys are anti-Semitic and they hate me.

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So I clearly am not.

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It's possible.

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It's probably like if you want...

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To me, that's a smart move if he was doing it on purpose, which he probably wasn't.

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There's so many layers of intention there.

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It's very confusing to me.

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I don't know what it means.

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I have zero idea.

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I don't think that it's proof that he works for Israel or anything like that.

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I'm not changing my position on that.

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I think your position is the most sensible because it at least accounts for the psychology

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of the individuals.

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Well, and then there's the other psychology, which is Ted Anderson really likes money and

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they were offering to give it to him.

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But also at the time, Ted Anderson was running a show called What Really Happened with Mike...

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Don't go to Israel.com.

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He was running a show called What Really Happened with Mike Rivero at the time and he was a

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fucking super anti-Israel.

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He was an aggressively anti-Israel guy.

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Right.

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But business is business, man.

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I don't know.

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I...

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It's very confusing to me.

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I don't know the ins and outs.

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Anyway, in this next clip, I don't think we have a conclusion there.

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No, I don't think there's anything concrete to draw from that at all.

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It's just weird.

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In this next clip, Alex Jones lists a bunch of people who have spoken out about 9-11 and

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then comes in with a little bit of a scare tactic at the end.

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But now we have just everybody, all these physicists, all these scientists, you know,

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Italian presidents, CIA section chiefs, Willie Nelson, I mean, all these top actors, best

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actors this year.

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Bruce Willis.

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Bruce Willis no longer being a neo-con, saying they killed Kennedy in the same group that

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did that, basically did 9-11.

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I mean, they're losing all their own people.

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What are they going to do?

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Well, unfortunately, they'll probably go to the tactic of desperation, which is to launch

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another war or to set off a nuke or some terrible terrorist weapon in this country and then,

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of course, blame it on foreign terrorists and take more power.

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Meanwhile, the very same elite with the admitted superconducting, supercolliders and other

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similar facilities are doing things their own equations say good chance of blowing the

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entire planet up.

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Good chance is strong.

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Good chance.

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Good chance is strong.

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What is a good chance?

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Well, would you would you put that at like thirty five percent or are we going with a

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really good chance of like sixty five percent?

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Neither much lower.

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Sue, Willie Nelson is on par with scientists and the Italian president's multiple, I guess,

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because this is back when Silvio Berlusconi was running wild.

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Did Berlusconi say 9-11 was an inside job?

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He probably did.

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He was drunk.

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He was crazy.

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Yeah.

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He was fuck.

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He was in the middle of fucking eight prostitutes.

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Right.

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Right.

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9-11 was an inside job.

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Get over here.

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Apologies.

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Over here.

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So, yeah, I mean, I kept that clip in because that transition between Italian presidents

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and Willie Nelson is really funny.

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But then also, just to illustrate that 10 years ago, Alex was still doing the exact

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same scare tactics that like the next thing they're going to do is nuke.

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Right.

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Let's say because he did.

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He did that around the election.

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There's so many other moves to make before nuke.

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It seems like you've got you've got like a protocol of like, OK, if they do this, we

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do this.

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Like nuke is at the very bottom.

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He's not concerned with that.

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He just wants to scare people because then you can make those ducats, which seems it

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seems crazy.

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And this is probably my own prejudice.

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But any time I hear somebody who is supposed to be an expert with the southern accent,

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I'm always going to be like, are you?

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Yeah, that is a bias.

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You need to get over it.

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I'm sorry.

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The southern accent really kind of invalidates a lot for me.

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There's a lot of dumb people who speak like that and it hurts.

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Logically.

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No.

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Logically, it doesn't track.

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Right.

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No.

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If A, then B. If B, then C. It doesn't mean anything.

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Well, it's just the media perception that's been given to people with southern twangs.

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Right.

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The gentleman's twang.

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Well, I mean, they haven't really done a great job of representing.

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I think you're.

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I would say there's a good chance that all southern people have never graduated.

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I don't know what I don't know what the I don't know where I was going with that.

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I'm trying to think of famously smart people who speak with a southern accent.

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How's it going?

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It's tough.

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Did Stephen Hawking before he got the ALS?

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We can't prove he doesn't have a southern accent.

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No, that's possible.

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It's not good that the only person I could come up with is Jim Ross.

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WWE announcer Jim Ross.

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That's not great.

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He's pretty smart, though.

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So this is a Sunday show, so it's a shorter affair.

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And Alex has one more interview on the show, and it is an interview with a what's this

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guy's name?

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I don't remember his first name, but he's a Japanese politician by the name of Fujita.

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And I just threw it out with the bathwater because it's nonsense.

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They just talk 9-11 truth, but if you look into it, this guy, this Japanese guy, only

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is into 9-11 truth because he watched Loose Change, which was produced by Alex Jones.

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So Alex Jones' film gave this guy questions about 9-11, and then they made them public,

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and now he's a guest on Alex Jones, repeating the same shit back to him.

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That's creating the feedback loop that they thrive on so much.

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It's not even a feedback loop, it's an elevation loop, because now you have a foreign politician

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who's regurgitating your narratives back to you, which elevates them from your standard

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rabble.

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Now I just want a Japanese-translated version of Loose Change.

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I bet you could find one.

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I bet it'd be great.

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It'd probably be riveting.

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It'd be so good.

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So it was kind of a boring - Like whenever Jimmy James' book was translated

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into Japanese and then translated back - Super karate death card.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Kill, kill.

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War.

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War.

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So, I threw that out.

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We don't need to listen to it, who cares.

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But at the end of the show, there's a couple callers that I think are worth listening to,

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and here's the first one.

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It's a guy named Nick, spelled N-I-K, which is a good sign.

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Let's go ahead and take another ring-a-dinging.

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Ring-a-dinging!

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Let's go ahead and talk to - He's so much happier.

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N-I-K, Nick in Arizona, you're on the air.

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Hey, how you doing?

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Good.

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I just want to thank you for your inspiration, absolutely.

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Me and my brother started this website called LookUpAndWakeUp.org here in Phoenix Valley.

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We're starting to cover the chemtrails and the surveillance.

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I just want to give you a quick example of what happened to me the other night.

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Oh.

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About 12.30 in the morning, I was carrying a chopper over my house, and about 20 minutes

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later, I go outside to have a cigarette, and I see the chopper in the distance, and as

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soon as I step outside, he goes towards me.

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And then all of a sudden, he's got a blank shining down different houses or so.

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Did you get to it?

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Good, you're all kind of.

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You can't have that chopper on the border, it's got to be on you.

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Yeah.

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And then after he started coming towards me, and then he's fucking with a different direction.

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He's fucking with a quick flash.

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And then he turned around my house, and it was a full moon that night.

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Well, drink fluoride.

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Everything's okay.

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Calm down, drink fluoride.

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Drink fluoride.

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It's going to be all right.

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Submit to him, he's good.

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So I got out, and all of a sudden, I'm looking around, and I'm hearing this chopper, and

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then all of a sudden, this guy's flying over my house, like, stop mode.

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Didn't have his light on, and I turn around, and then bam, the freaking light is shining

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down on me, like, for no reason, I don't understand.

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Well, you're out, sir, you're evil, okay?

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You need to be tracked and traced, and there's no more warrants, no more free speech.

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You're bad, okay?

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Submit to it.

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It doesn't exist.

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Trans-Texas Corridor doesn't exist.

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The billboard doesn't exist, CNN says.

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There's no toll roads on the roads.

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Sentra isn't Spanish owned, Austin Chronicle says.

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Everything's fine, go to sleep, shut up, submit to government.

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Love them, drink your fluoride, take your mercury-filled injections.

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Love them, love them.

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Please, learn to submit to them.

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Oh, it's so simple.

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It is.

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So, the only thing I want to say there is...

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That was kind of a bummer at the end.

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Well, I...

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His sarcasm is bad.

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I don't think that's sarcasm, I think he's phoning it in, but I think it's irresponsible

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if someone calls you and is like, there is a helicopter following me because I write

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a chemtrail blog, that's essentially what that guy was getting to.

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Well, yeah.

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I'm a target of helicopter surveillance.

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The moment I started writing about chemtrails, now helicopters are coming over my house without

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their lights on.

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Exactly.

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One to one.

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I think if someone calls you and says that, it's your responsibility as an adult to say,

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this is paranoia, you need to look into this.

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And stop living with your brother.

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Not scream at them, drink fluoride, submit to this, and further their paranoia.

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Right.

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Because Alex Jones makes money off paranoia, so he's fine inflicting these poor people

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and indulging their bizarre paranoid fantasies.

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Yeah.

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Because look, the other day there was a fucking helicopter flying over my house for like almost

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the entire day.

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Well, yeah, but that didn't happen until we started doing this podcast.

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Right, a year and a half after.

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But there's like, there's helicopters all the fucking time, and you know why?

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I'm not too far from the like, Lakeshore Drive.

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Right.

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There's traffic helicopters.

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All the time.

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Over it.

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And it's great.

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There's crime around.

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And sometimes there are helicopters that are...

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Looking for crime.

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Exactly.

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And so it's easy to interpret those things incorrectly.

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I just got the image of the police helicopter pilots just being like, oh, it's four o'clock,

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boys.

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Let's go looking for some crime.

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And then everybody jumps on it.

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Let's go find Dan.

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Yeah.

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Let's go.

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When you see a helicopter closely over your house, for example, it's easy to think, oh,

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this is suspicious, because you don't have all the information.

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In the same way, I get a lot of calls when I answer them, no one's there.

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Right.

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And if I wanted to, I could play the game of people are fucking stalking me over the

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phone.

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And if I were to express those things to you, you would very likely say, that is an unhealthy

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way to look at it.

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Submit to it.

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Right.

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If you did that, you'd be being a bad person.

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I would definitely be being a bad friend.

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Yes.

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Although maybe it would be better for the show, Dan.

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Maybe.

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Have you considered that?

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But it's the same level of paranoia, or the same style of paranoia, which is taking an

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innocuous thing that has an explanation and giving it the explanation that you want.

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Yeah.

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The reality is that whoever used to have my phone number has bounty hunters looking for

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them.

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Well, of course.

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There's no other explanation.

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Well, it's definitely the explanation that I have to deal with.

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It's a bummer.

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You know what it turns out?

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With bounty hunters, you can't get on the don't call list like telemarketers.

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No.

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Turns out they can just keep calling.

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Right.

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You can request, hey, take me off your list.

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They don't respect that.

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Also.

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Hey, take me off your bounty hunting list, please.

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Also turns out they don't believe you when you say, I've never met that person.

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That's kind of their job, though.

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Yeah.

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It's annoying for me.

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Anyway, Alex gets another caller.

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And this one, I think, is actually, this one illustrates Alex Jones' lack of commitment

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to the cause.

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Let's go ahead now and take another call.

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Steve in Denver, Colorado.

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You're on the air.

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Hey, Alex.

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Good show again today.

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I was going to suggest, what if we had something like a Woodstock 9-11 big concert, or we had

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one day where we had all these musicians and all these actors and famous people come together

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and we just spent one day-

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Wait.

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Hold on.

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Did he just say Woodstock 9-11 concert?

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Yeah.

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He said it was a Woodstock.

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Like a Woodstock all about 9-11.

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What do you, what do you, what's your problem?

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Sorry.

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I heard that and then my brain was like, no.

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And then, and I like, that was very strange for me.

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I let the clip keep going.

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And then in my head, all of a sudden I was just like, wait, Woodstock 9-11 concert?

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You're mixing like a-

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Is that a 9-11 themed concert?

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Yes.

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Should we have a 9-11 themed party?

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No.

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Is that in poor taste?

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Yes, it is.

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Like a pool party.

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And then we'd all jump into, we would have, like, you know how you have towers?

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We would have, we would have two people standing on top of each other in the water and then

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we'd throw you at them.

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When I was in college-

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And then the third plane would actually hit the house.

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When I was in college and I had a much worse taste, let's say, and I had less decorum,

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I was full of piss and vinegar.

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I had an idea for a 9-11 party where I had twin bongs and the lighters would be dressed

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up as planes.

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Very nice.

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And I would make a 9 and 11 layer dip, two different dips.

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There were some, oh also-

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These are some great party ideas.

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Also this one I did do.

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Okay.

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We had-

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Dressed as a Nazi.

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No, we had, I think we did Freedom 40s, which was, you have to drink a 40 in nine minutes

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and 11 seconds or else the terrorists win.

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That's-

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That was a part of my 9-11 party idea that we actually did a couple of times and man,

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it's really hard.

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Yeah.

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I do not recommend anyone do it.

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The terrorists usually win.

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And so to answer your question-

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So that's a great metaphor, really.

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That's a great metaphor for foreign policy.

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Sure.

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The terrorists usually win, usually because you can't drink a 40 fast enough.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You end up throwing up.

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It's too much liquid.

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Because they hate our freedoms.

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It's too much liquid.

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To drink 40s.

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Yep.

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And to answer your question, no, we shouldn't have a 9-11 footstock.

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Okay.

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Kind of helping the people with- architects and engineers, for 9-11 Truth right now, we

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suggested that as a media event and we could just have one major big event that we could

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videotape, sell, and try to show everybody how many people there are from the-

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Sure.

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Here's the problem.

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You know, and it's like that in any society.

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I bet it's not the right problem.

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It would take a lot of groups getting involved and the groups would never agree and also

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no one group, I'm probably the only person that could actually pull it off, could go

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out and get the celebrities.

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Because the celebrities don't know or don't trust because they don't know these other

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groups.

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They have been around as long as I am.

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You know, the celebrities just call me up, you know, the phone rings and they're on.

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And that's because they know I've been around a long time, they're aware of what I've been

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doing a long time.

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You've built up a lot of trust.

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That's been found around by people, but I haven't really actively gone out and pushed

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it just because I couldn't imagine the headache of it all.

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Sure.

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So the issue with a 9-11 Woodstock is infrastructure, booking, these are all big problems, sponsors.

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I agree with his premise that no one would agree on stuff.

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Yes.

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I definitely agree with that premise.

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But then, yeah, it's like the only person who could pull it off is me and I don't need

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that aggravation.

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It's like, dude, you're not really contesting the claim that that would be huge for 9-11

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Truth movement.

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You're just saying I wouldn't want to put that kind of work into something that I am

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tacitly saying would be effective.

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I'm assuming, well, yeah, it would be huge for the 9-11 Truth movement if there was a

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real legitimate 9-11 Woodstock.

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I would watch that.

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I probably would.

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Who do you think they would get to play?

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Well, you would have Willie Nelson, of course.

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Absolutely.

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The Italian president.

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He's going to emcee.

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And they have like a cover group of the four tenors.

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Oh, do they?

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Yeah.

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Burlesconi.

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I can't think of any other Italian presidents off the top of my head.

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Are there other Italians?

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There's a part of me that's like, Burlesconi is just being, hologram Mussolini.

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So Kid Rock, Kid Rock would play.

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As one of the four tenors.

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The nuge.

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The nuge would definitely be there.

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The nuge is in.

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Yeah.

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Sarah Palin would probably show up.

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Danzig might show up.

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That'd be fun.

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He would just throw his own poop at people.

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Obviously, as we've learned recently, Jonathan Davis from Korn.

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Oh yeah.

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Korn would play.

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Oh yeah.

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I bet you could get a lot of new metal guys.

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They would call it Korn 11.

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It would be very similar to the Woodstock.

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So this brings us to the end of March 30th, 2008.

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The Sunday show has ended.

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And now we go to March 31st.

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And Alex has a whole new set of fears.

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He is no longer obsessed with CERN, although that will come back up in the very near future.

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Today, he's pissed off because the media is reporting that there are white people who

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might be in Al Qaeda.

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Well that's clearly not possible.

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He's taking that news tough, let's say.

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Because he feels a little bit of personal responsibility for the white race?

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You know what?

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You're not far off.

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I don't think that might be true.

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Let's play a couple clips and we'll get into what his feelings are that are very weird.

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There is no Al Qaeda.

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Oh boy.

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There is no real threat.

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Wow, that's a good start.

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Right out the gate.

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And so, they've got to flip it now.

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And by the way, here it is in the Associated Press.

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Mookacy, Attorney General, terrorist behind copyright violations.

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Copyright violations, terrorism.

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See, all white collar civil stuff is now terrorist.

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Forget misdemeanor, civil.

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Just a terrorist everywhere.

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So this, I believe, if I were to analyze what's going on here, this is a perfect case of Alex

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Jones twisting a narrative.

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He has a story about Attorney General Michael Mookacy, who is saying things about copyright

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violations and terrorism.

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And Alex has changed the story into being Mookacy saying that copyright violations are

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terrorism, which is absolutely not the case.

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If you read the story here, what he is saying is that the continuing worldwide escalation

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of counterfeiting and piracy poses a threat to both our economy and public safety.

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He said that the mission of the Department of Justice is clear, whether it's a complex

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international narcotics ring, a corrupt public official abusing his office, or some scam

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artist selling counterfeit software, our job is to enforce the law and bring to justice

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those who perpetrate these crimes.

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He said, quote, the counterfeiting of products like pharmaceuticals and medical devices,

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auto and airplane parts, or electronics that go into our nation's critical infrastructure

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can present a real and direct danger to the public.

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This is a speech that he gave, and the point that he was trying to drive at is that one

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of the larger points was that the theft of inventions poses a threat to the nation's

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health and safety and can foster terrorism, and that a lot of intellectual property theft

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is being done by criminal networks, and the money that is made off of them can be funneled

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into those things.

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Right.

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Which doesn't mean that all counterfeiting or copyright infringement is terrorism, just

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that this is a source of some funding.

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Yeah, I would say that's a little bit scaremongering on his part.

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There is a certain kind of, like, Alex conflates them far too much, but he is also being a

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little bit irresponsible with the way that he is combining the two.

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I don't particularly enjoy that kind of, like, if you're gonna bring in terrorism, it better

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be terrorism and not copyright infringement.

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It would be nice if we lived in that world.

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That would be nice, yeah.

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Unfortunately, we're looking at 2008, and Bush is still president.

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So everything is serious.

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So let's consider that just for a second.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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That is one of the problems, though, with this show in 2008, is that whenever that guy

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was like, oh, well, they're gonna call it terrorism and they're gonna use it to take

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more power, it's like, God damn it, you are correct about that.

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You're just fucking wrong.

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Why aren't you doing this?

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You're on the right, like, that's what they're doing, but they're not doing it that way and

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you're not helping us fight what they're doing because you're like, well, the problem isn't

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what they're doing.

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The problem is this magical thinking over here.

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And it's like, no, no, no, they aren't, join us.

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And get on the right team.

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And also the end result of all this stuff is just rationalizing the, you know, surveillance

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stuff.

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Exactly.

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And so it doesn't charm me, you know, like in terms of what Mukasey was doing and what

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Bush was up to, I agree spiritually with like being against it, but it doesn't help to lie

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about it.

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Yeah.

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Well, exactly.

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Which I think is what you're saying.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, in this next clip, get back into the idea that white people are joining Al-Qaeda.

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And this is based on a report that came out that Al-Qaeda was trying to enlist white people.

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And that's a reasonable thing to think because, I mean, most famously, we had John Walker

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Lind back in the early 2000s who was a white guy who had signed up with the Taliban.

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You have Adam Yehahi Gadden, you have a number of people over the years who have been white

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Westerners who have joined Al-Qaeda.

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And in a clip that we're going to hear in just a minute, we will get the obvious rationalization

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for this.

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And then we'll get Alex's, taking it kind of personal.

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Weird.

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Yeah.

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Weird.

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Just as I told you they would do, they're building this giant mechanism to track everything

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you do, trace everything you do, micromanage you, turn your national ID card off.

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Your pharmacist, your doctor, your lawyer, school teachers, everyone spying publicly,

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truck drivers, neighbors, neighborhood tattletale squads, recruiting the high schoolers.

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I mean, it's massive.

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Truck manufacturers.

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Hiring the former head of the Stasi to train the feds how to do this.

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Fire trucks.

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I want to just pause that just for a second.

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Dumps like a truck.

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Alex is saying that the former head of the Stasi is being involved in teaching people

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how to do this.

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Right.

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A couple of years later, he would make the exact same claim about social media.

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He would say that the head of the Stasi is involved in Facebook and stuff like that.

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This is just something.

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He's busy.

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In the same way that.

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He's got a lot of irons in the fire.

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The head of the Stasi isn't just going to focus on one thing.

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In the same way that a couple clips back we heard him do the globalist are desperate,

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they're going to probably nuke or false flag shit that he does all the fucking time.

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It turns out another one that he's done for at least 10 years now has been say the head

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of the Stasi is involved in some shit.

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Still getting there.

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Unspecifically enough that it's almost impossible to.

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I mean, it's not like he's personally involved.

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He delegates responsibility, but he's the one who comes up with the projects.

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Perhaps.

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No.

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Hiring the former head of the KGB.

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I mean, they're really doing it.

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Going for broke.

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And always Afghanistan.

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Great Foley work.

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That's to kill the Middle Easterners.

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Don't tell them that they're not Middle Easterners that can attend in the Middle East.

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Boys.

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No, I don't think it's all very saying that it's all for you.

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So when they take your ranch and you say no, they can bring the SWAT team up and burn your

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house down with you in it.

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And you know what they're going to say.

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You know what they're going to do.

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You know what they're going to push.

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They're trying to make up something now.

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They're just going to come improv right in there and burn your house down.

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Burn your farm down.

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And they're going to announce on the news that they were fighting Al Qaeda.

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It's all about you are Al Qaeda.

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You are the terrorist.

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So that's his takeaway from this idea that Al Qaeda may be trying to recruit Westerners,

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particularly white people.

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Is that it's actually the globalists trying to make it so everybody suspects everybody

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else.

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Thus, we are all terrorists, right?

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And specifically so they can get the Patriots.

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And when they Waco them, if we want to use that as a verb, burned down their farms.

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Exactly.

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And they can just say they were Al Qaeda.

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We already established it with a news story about how Al Qaeda is trying to recruit white

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people.

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Exactly right.

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This is so desperate.

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This is so sad.

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This is him.

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It sounded like he just made it up on the spot with those long gaps.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Indicate that his little gray cells.

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They're going to burn something down.

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Burn something down.

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What do you what do people burn down farms, farms?

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That's all I got.

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And farms should just be an indication that he's trying to speak to a specific community

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because he says your homes, your farm.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So who are your listeners, Alex?

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In this next clip, we get a little bit from Fox News about this story.

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And then Alex, again, I think he thinks they're talking about him.

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And that's very weird to me because when I look, we'll get to it on the other end of

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this.

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Stop saying I'm in Al Qaeda.

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Most agency officers, most officers from other liaison services don't blend into Al Qaeda.

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So we're looking for people who we can fit into their as penetrations Al Qaeda on the

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other side of the fence.

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They're doing the same thing.

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I mean, obviously, if they could recruit a Scandinavian, that's the holy grail for them.

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They need people who can move around for a region, do their bidding and converted.

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People who convert to Islam sometimes are more militant than those who were born that

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way.

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Correct.

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And they always go to prisons, too, to get there, to get the recruits.

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Right.

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Some of the converts are always a little bit more zealous in terms of their religious fervor.

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But the part of the problem with Al Qaeda has been garbage the whole time, right?

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This we need to listen.

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We can map the changes in Alex, but Fox News has been a pile of shit since it started pretty

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much consistently.

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So, yeah, we need to listen to this because you need the context to see what Alex is freaking

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out about.

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You didn't read those reports, not have you.

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But this what they're doing is just trying to extend the fear.

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They're trying to make the fear bigger of Muslims in general.

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But Alex has a completely different take on it.

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To go into a prison and try to recruit individuals, that person's already tainted.

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What they really need are they need people who haven't run afoul of law enforcement in

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the past.

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And then it goes on and on that it is, just like the FBI training manuals say, white male

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who locks his desk, a lot of times it says we're in management positions.

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It says we're quiet, keep to ourselves, they're evil white males and they're Al Qaeda.

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They're everywhere, ladies and gentlemen.

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The guy pumping your gas, Al Qaeda.

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That school teacher, Al Qaeda.

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In fact, the FBI manual says that priest, Al Qaeda, it says the Caucasian woman pushing

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the baby carriage, Al Qaeda.

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That's a quote.

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Al Qaeda.

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You don't know what quotes are.

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Everywhere, they're just, they're everywhere, take all my rights away, government.

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Take all my freedoms, put a bracelet around me with a taser, keep me safe, they're everywhere.

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I'm guessing what he's talking about is FBI manuals that talk about the ascendancy of

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white terrorism and like, you know.

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The ones that white people do.

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What we've seen the results of ten years later.

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To me, I think what he's trying to do there is invalidate any possibility of you calling

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white male domestic terrorism, terrorism.

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So he's trying to preemptively excuse, so whenever your Timothy McVeigh does all of

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that stuff, he's going to conflate the idea of them being terrorists with the government

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calling them Al Qaeda.

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So it's like, no, no, no, no, these guys aren't terrorists, they're mentally ill or it's a

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false flag because if they were terrorists, they would have joined Al Qaeda.

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Well in the same way that the globalists are preparing the ground for you to have your

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farm burned down and then they say that it was, they were fighting Al Qaeda in Alex's

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conception.

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Right.

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They're doing this so someone like Timothy McVeigh could blow up the Murrah building

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and then Alex can say, uh, they just, you know, it's all, it's all a set up.

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Yeah.

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Oh, they're going to call him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a, it again, like what we're finding, I believe is pretty decent evidence that the

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excusing of white terrorism and things that encroach upon Alex's white identity, uh, that's

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a very consistent thing.

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Oh yeah.

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This is 10 years ago that he recorded this and it's a very essential piece of his world

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philosophy.

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Yeah.

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There may be nothing more.

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I mean the guns might even be secondary to white male, white maleness.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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It's very weird.

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It's not that weird.

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It makes total sense.

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Yeah.

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But it's a bummer.

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A lot of those guys have it really like, I mean I would say probably as a terrorist force,

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white people are, are historically, uh, the, they're the front runners, I would say competent.

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I would say, uh, I would say white people have really been doing some terrorism for

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a long time.

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Well, when I hear, uh, like a report that says that Al Qaeda is looking for people who

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can blend in, I hear that and I don't take it personally.

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I think that makes sense.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Right.

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I would do that.

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That's probably what I would do if I were Al Qaeda.

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That's a smart idea.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You're not going to, you're not going to get past customs as a, as looking like you're

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an Al Qaeda.

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Like that's, that's kind of the thing.

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If you're a cartoon of a terrorist, you're not going to.

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Exactly.

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You're not going to get past someone is, but you know, of course you would look for people

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who can blend in.

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That, uh, that's a, that's just, it seems like a good strategy.

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Yeah, that's spycraft.

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Alex hears it and takes it very personally as a white person.

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And that to me means, he, he is somebody who has said in, in private, cause I don't know

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if he said it on the show, but he has said race traitor a lot.

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I would imagine, I would imagine if not literally, uh, uh, yes, that idea in not so many words.

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And it's, it's, I don't know if he's taking it personally so much as more on the lines

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of like, to me, what I can hear there is him being like, they're saying that all white

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people aren't on the same side, which boggles, which boggles his mind.

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There's some, to him, it's every white person is in it together.

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There's some of that in there, but he would call it the West probably or something like

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that.

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Some code.

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Okay, in this next clip, uh, we get to deal with, uh, the fact that, uh, recently when

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this episode, uh, aired, George W. Bush threw out the first pitch at the, uh, the christening

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of the Washington Nationals, uh, stadium.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, apparently they were playing the Braves and the Braves tried to get him to

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wear a Braves Jersey and he said he didn't want to be booed.

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Uh, and then, uh, Alex's contention is that he was mercilessly booed anyway.

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Okay.

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He plays the audio later, it's a mix.

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It seems like he had that coming.

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It's a mix.

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I feel like he should have been mercilessly booed.

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You can, he plays the audio of it and Alex claims that he's getting, like, booed and

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they just piped in some applause.

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Oh, they sweetened it.

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You can tell that it's just a mixed reaction.

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Yeah.

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It's a strongly mixed reaction.

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They, uh, Mitch Hedberg-ed the sound.

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Right.

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And there are boos, for sure, but there are also people who are clearly applauding.

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Yeah.

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Like, it's just a mixed reaction, which is what you'd expect at a fucking baseball stadium.

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Right.

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Especially in D.C.

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Yeah.

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With the president there.

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So that's a different thing.

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Uh, this is him, uh-

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With the shitty, shitty, shitty president there.

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Yes.

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This is, uh-

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And this is right before the massive, uh, collapse of 2008.

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Mm-hmm.

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So people weren't even really on, uh, on the boo the fuck out of G-dubs yet.

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Not quite yet.

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Um, but he talks a little bit about that, and then he says something that's really ironic

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in hindsight, considering what he says about how Trump is, uh, going to save America, Trump

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is basically America's last stand, he's a bulwark against these globalists and what

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have you.

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Um, it's, it's just very ironic ten years later.

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I was reading the AP headline here, and it says that the Washington Braves tried to get

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him to wear a Braves jacket, and he said, oh no, they might boo me.

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Boobing Braves?

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That's the quote, and then he went out wearing a Nationals jacket, and they boo him.

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Could be hilarious if he wore an Expos jacket.

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And then the announcer just kisses up and just says, oh, that's the best throw by any

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president ever.

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He's G-d.

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Didn't say that.

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We ought to dig up that Fox News one where you hear the booing, and they just fade it

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down and then fade up cheering, and then they go, they love him.

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It's like in martial law, I have that clip from his second inauguration where they're

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saying cheer for him, let him know that you love America.

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Do you see the propaganda in that?

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It's saying Bush is America.

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You love America, don't you?

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Cheer for him as hundreds of thousands booed and screamed and spit.

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But the national news cut back to wide shot and said, they love him.

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I have that martial law.

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Cool.

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It's like something out of a dystopic science fiction movie made 50 years ago where the

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emperor is driving through and everyone's booing and then the announcer's going, they

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love him.

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Pretty sure they made a lot of those in 2000 and, well, every time from the 1950s.

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Now consider on the inauguration parade where you have all those shots of empty bleachers

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with the cavalcade going down the road and Alex Jones screaming, the people love him.

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You get a complete mirror.

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Consider the upcoming military parade.

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In which case Alex will of course say, look, look at how everybody loves the president.

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Who is America?

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Our glorious leader.

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Our glorious leader.

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It's fascinating.

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You know what I'm convinced of actually?

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I'm going to make a prediction here as we're in the past.

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I think that Alex- Are you going to make a prediction about the

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past?

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No, about the future.

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Okay.

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So what's going to happen is because we keep having these things happen where Trump says

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he's a globalist and Alex is like, he didn't mean it.

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Trump says, I like taking the guns first and then due process later.

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Alex is like, I think it's a Machiavellian move.

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Yeah.

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Whatever.

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And he keeps saying like, I'll turn on him.

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I'll turn on him harder than anybody.

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All this stuff.

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Right.

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I think eventually it's going to become clear that everyone but Alex has been right the

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whole time and eventually Alex will catch up and something will happen that'll be too

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much for him to handle and he'll be like, I want to, I want to go against him and it'll

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be like the child who thinks that they know what to do and they make a huge mess and then

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the adults have to be like, don't help.

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Don't help.

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You're making it worse.

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When the kid's trying to clean up and making more of a mess, Alex Jones is the embodiment

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of that child who made the mess, thinks they can help clean up, but can't.

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We just have to be like, shut the fuck up.

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Stay on your steak.

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Go over there.

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Yeah.

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You're in timeout.

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That's a great analysis.

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Don't listen to that.

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And it'll just be, he'll make it worse.

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No, he's going to...

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Probably go to prison.

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Yeah.

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But we can only hope.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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That's so confusing to me.

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I don't, I don't know how that, hey, I mean prison or the destitute, uh, getting sued

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out of, uh, Ooh, homeless Alex would be a fun Alex to listen to.

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Yeah.

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That'd be fun.

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Yeah.

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He just starts up a podcast.

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I mean, clearly we're living evidence that it doesn't cost much.

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He could do it even if he was broke.

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Yeah.

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That'd be great.

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Hey, he'd have to get some studio equipment.

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Go back to your roots, Alex.

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So speaking of Alex's roots, in this next clip, he rips off someone's intellectual property.

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You're these little sandal wearing, take all the guns, I love government, I'm Bill Clinton,

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I'm bedwetting right now, I love you.

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Just red diaper, doper babies.

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Red diaper, doper babies?

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That is specifically a Michael Savage catchphrase.

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Oh.

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Michael Savage screams that all these leftists are red diaper, doper babies.

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I don't know.

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They're children of communists.

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I don't, I don't like that.

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I don't think that makes sense.

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Eh, it makes sense.

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It's got a good little, it's got a good little rhythm to it.

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They're children of communists who smoke a lot of weed.

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Red diaper, doper babies.

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It's fun.

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Anyway, it was, it's very much a savage.

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I'm a hard out.

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That term may exist previous to him, but in terms of like radio personalities and media

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folk, uh, savages, that's, that's a fucking savagism.

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Right.

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Michael Savage called in and asked about Michael Savage and Alex was very wishy-washy on whether

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he supports him at this point, but he clearly listens to him, so he's ripping off his phrases.

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I would watch a show called Red Diaper, Doper Babies.

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That wasn't the name of his show.

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It's The Savage Nation.

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No, I'm just saying if there was a show named Red Diaper, Doper Babies.

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Like a cartoon?

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Yeah.

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Ooh, I would watch that.

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Like shorties watching shorties?

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More like Muppet Babies.

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Oh.

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I would watch it, I would watch Muppet Babies, but.

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Red Diaper, Doper Babies, your dreams can come true.

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Or Rugrats.

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If Rugrats was actually communist propaganda, that would be fantastic.

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Back to Muppet Babies.

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The two legs that you always see?

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Yes, yes.

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Stalin.

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He was actually very short.

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Yeah.

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You would see most of his mustache in the frame.

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Not compared to the Muppet Babies, they're tiny.

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How do you know?

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They're babies.

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Stalin was a short man.

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So at this point, Alex Jones has a guest on, uh, by the name of Twyla Brace, and they talk,

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Alex wants to talk all about how the government's stealing your blood.

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Twyla Brace?

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Yes.

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Where do these people come from?

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I will tell you exactly where she comes from in a minute.

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But Alex, their interview is all about how the government's stealing your blood.

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And this is something we covered on a show in the past, so I don't want to belabor it

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too much.

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Yes, I recall that narrative.

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But the reason is that there are diseases that need to be screened for, and also, they,

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uh, you know, it comes down to another one of these, like, you're not that crazy kind

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of arguments about privacy, but in almost every state, they take any identifiers off

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the blood.

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It's not like they're coding all of your genomes into everything.

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They're not trying to create a database out of it.

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Not a personal human database out of it, so much as a database of DNA and the like.

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Wherein you can find trends and correlations between genetic markers for things.

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Exactly.

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And the more data you have, the more accurate you can be about this.

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You're able to save people from lifetimes of pain and suffering, generally speaking.

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There are countless success stories from this.

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And anyway, the thing that I find interesting about it is that throughout this interview,

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they're very reluctant to say the name of the organization that Twyla Brace works for.

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Ms. Brace, why don't you, in a nutshell, tell us about yourself and your credentials and

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how you got into this and what your organization does, and then we'll get into the blood.

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Sure, thanks so much.

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I think we'll get into the blood.

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Our organization has been around for about 12 years, and we started getting into the

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privacy view, realizing that the Newborn, or that privacy really allows you to give

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control.

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So anyway, she just says some boring shit.

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Like I said, we've gone over this entire narrative, and nothing that she says when I was listening

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was like, oh, that's new.

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It's all the same shit.

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Yeah.

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This is actually almost undoubtedly where he gets this narrative from, this interview.

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What organization?

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Well, I don't know.

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Let's see if they say.

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I mean, overall, your organization deals with a lot of privacy issues, but give us the skinny

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on what they're doing with the blood.

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Alex wants to talk about the blood.

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They don't say the name of the organization until a ways down the road, when it's time

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to make plugs and what have you.

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Is that because they assume everybody knows who she works for?

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No.

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I don't know.

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You think it's purposeful that they're avoiding the...

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No.

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I don't necessarily think that.

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That would be paranoid of me to think.

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I think Alex might have skimmed her bio or something like that, or has forgotten the

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name or something like that.

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Occam's Razor tells me it's bad broadcasting.

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Yeah.

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That sounds reasonable.

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But it's weird that she doesn't say up front until much later in the interview.

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And the organization that she works for is called the Citizens Council for Healthcare.

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Okay.

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Good.

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Because if it was the NAACP, I would have been very shocked.

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No.

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No, no, no.

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That is not what she works for.

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She is a tea partier from Minnesota, which is...

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Already out.

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Interesting.

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Already all I need to know to say no.

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No, thank you.

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It's interesting to note that another tea partier from Minnesota goes by the name of

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Ted Anderson and runs the Genesis Communications Network.

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Uh-huh.

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Probably a coincidence.

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I have nothing to tie the two of them together, but it's interesting.

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But the Citizens Council for Healthcare, I should tell you, is a member of the State

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Policy Network.

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They are a member organization of the SPN, which has received significant money from

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the Koch brothers, as well as from the Claude R. Lamb Foundation and the Charles G. Koch

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Foundation, which are both Koch family foundations.

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God, they're so evil, and they're everywhere.

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It gets... Hold on.

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They're just fucking everywhere.

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There's more to this story.

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The donations that the Kochs have made through these foundations are generally not disclosed.

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But in 2007, it was accidentally revealed that David Koch gave $125,000 to Pioneer Institute

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for Public Policy Research, a Massachusetts-based SPN think tank.

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Further, it was accidentally revealed in 2010 that Koch Industries gave $159,834 directly

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to the Texas Public Policy Foundation and an additional $69,788.61 from the Claude R.

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Lamb Foundation, again, another family foundation of the Kochs, extrapolating...

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Weirdly specific amount.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how to explain that.

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Extrapolating this out, it's...

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Mark of the beast.

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Absolutely.

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It's pretty safe to assume that they funneled a ton more money into these SPN outlets directly.

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Insane amounts of money.

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In secret.

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Yes.

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Also, the SPN, the State Policy Network, received $10 million between 2007 and 2010 from an

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organization called... There's two organizations, the Donors Trust and the Donors Capital Fund.

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These are what are called donor-advised funds, which means that the fund creates separate

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accounts for individual donors, and the donors then recommend disbursements from the accounts

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to different nonprofits.

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It cloaks the identity of the original mystery donors because the funds are then distributed

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in the name of Donors Trust or Donors Capital Fund.

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A Koch family foundation called Knowledge and Progress Fund gave $4.5 million to Donors

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Trust between 2007 and 2010, but because of the setup, it's impossible to know where those

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funds went.

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Cloaked money from these two funds were funneled to at least 51 SPN member organizations between

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2007 and 2011, according to the Center for Public Integrity.

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Twyla is also... Of course.

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Twyla Brace is also a member of the Heartland Foundation.

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Of course.

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Which is an organization specifically created to spread doubt about causes that would involve

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government regulations, such as climate change, healthcare, tobacco, those sorts of things.

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The Heartland Institute is basically an organization that's just there to sow doubts.

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Heartland also has received significant donations from the Kochs and their foundations.

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For instance, the Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund gave $13.5 million to Heartland

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between 2007 and 2011.

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The Lamb Foundation, we mentioned earlier, contributed at least $4.8 million to Heritage

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between 1998 and 2012.

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Further, Twyla Brace is a writer for CNS News, mostly writing anti-Obamacare articles.

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This is a conservative news site that is owned by the Media Research Center.

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One of the Media Research Center's main funders is ExxonMobil.

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Also the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation, the parents of Betsy DeVos and Erik Prince,

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founder of Blackwater.

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May they be burnt in hell.

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And the Linde and Harry Bradley Foundation, another major conservative... It's up there

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with the Mellon Scaife Foundation.

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They're way up there in terms of these weirdo, dark money things.

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So Twyla Brace was a Tea Party activist- Where do they fucking get these people?

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Real early she was a Tea Party activist and campaigned aggressively against Obamacare,

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going so far as to distribute flyers telling people not to enroll and that if you don't

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enroll then it'll never happen.

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We can all fight this by just not doing it.

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The Koch brothers, Americans for Prosperity, spent millions of dollars fighting Obamacare.

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The Tea Party was almost entirely bankrolled by the Kochs through the Americans for Prosperity

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and Freedom Works Foundation, which used to be the same organization that was called the

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Citizens for a Sound Economy, which was started by the Koch brothers in 1984.

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So all roads lead back to the Kochs.

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These fucking monsters.

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This is something that we're going to experience very frequently with Alex Jones's guests back

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in 2008.

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They are fucking everywhere.

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Do they... I don't know.

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I want to meet these guys and I want to just find out what it is they actually believe.

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Because I don't know if they believe in any of this bullshit or if they're just such sociopathic

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monsters that they're like, we will give any amount of money to completely dismantle anything

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that isn't us.

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Well, it seems like they're just into deregulation super heavily because their main business

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as they were coming to prominence was in oil and it seems like continuing that involves

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government deregulation or making higher profits.

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What I see from all of their stuff, though, is secondarily, I think it's business decisions.

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They just want any possibility of them being regulated.

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Are you going to pitch that they're jokers?

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No.

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Just so in chaos?

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No.

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No, no, no.

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I think it's much more insidious than that in that they are less interested in the business

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and more interested in just this vague concept of impunity.

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I want to be able to do control and whatever, I want whenever.

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It is a complete desire for autonomy in all things.

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No one can say, I can't do this.

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That is their only ideology to me.

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I think that's an interesting thought and I think as we go along, we'll learn more.

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And as we go along, there'll be more opportunities for us to get into what indications we can

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find here and there.

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But at this point, we can say it's suspicious that when listing Americans who were deeply

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involved with the Nazis, somehow Fred Koch is not involved in that list and habitually

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isn't for Alex Jones.

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It's interesting that Alex Jones, and this isn't the only example of it, this is going

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to come up multiple times, Alex Jones has a guest on who's essentially just works for

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a Koch front group think tank.

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So I think we're going to see a ton of that.

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I think we're going to see a lot of these people that are people who are on Alex's show

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who are just funneled from Koch think tanks to spread misinformation.

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So that's exciting.

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We're never going to win.

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But at this point...

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They're too big and too evil.

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At this point, I don't think that there is a strong parallel or anything like that.

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There's just like little kernels of stuff.

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Just like, hey, there seems to be a lot of Koch connections, a lot of...

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So I don't know.

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We'll see.

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But see, that's another thing that to me bolsters my argument is the most common idea behind

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this dark money is they know that they're doing something evil and they are hiding it

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because that's how you get away with doing evil shit.

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But to me, for them, it's again, this idea of like, because I'm anonymous, I can do whatever

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I want.

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Because we're hiding behind eight million different things, I'm doing whatever the fuck

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it is I want and these people are carrying it out for me.

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And I don't have to put my name on it.

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I agree with you.

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Because I'm a giant fucking coward.

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I agree with you that that does seem to be the modus operandi.

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But I want to be clear just because we're being pretty speculative and in the same way

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that I don't think that commercial about Israeli tourism proves that Alex Jones works for Israel,

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it's just weird.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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And in some vein, the fact that Alex is, you know, on some Coke tips here, I don't think

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that that necessarily means he works for them.

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It's just weird.

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Right.

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And again, that's not even a one-to-one comparison between those two examples I'm making.

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I'm just saying this doesn't prove anything.

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It's just, it got my ears up.

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Right, right, right.

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Anyway, in this next clip, we learn that Twyla is a very paranoid person and probably belongs

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on Infowars.

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Well, this whole program is not just about the screening of the child.

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It's not just about the infant and the parent.

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It's about cost containment and prevention.

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And I think, you know, it's good for your listeners to let that roll around in their

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brains a little bit, because cost containment and prevention likely means that we don't

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want any child that's not perfect.

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And we worry about the day where the genes of a child are fished into to find imperfections,

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and it will be part of whether or not you can be married, whether or not you should

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have children.

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So Gattaca.

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Well, I mean-

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They're just describing Gattaca.

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That's-

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They all saw Gattaca, and they were like, well, this is obviously what they're trying

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to do.

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That's one-

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Despite the absurdity of that plan.

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But that's one way to look at it.

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Another way I might look at it is the cost prevention is indicative of, hey, if we catch

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this disease pre-birth or very early, we're able to treat it.

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There are therapies that we can use.

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But if we don't, you will have a handicapped person for the rest of their life that will

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require extensive medical bills.

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Or like with the homeless population, if they have homes, they're far more likely to wind

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up in a hospital emergency room, bringing up shit tons of bills that you eventually

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wind up having to pay for.

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There are ways to-

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Preventative measures are more effective.

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Yes, always.

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And there are ways to interpret cost prevention or something like that in a really evil eugenics-y

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way.

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And there's a way to look at it in the way that people mean it.

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And they're not the same.

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No.

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Anyway, it just seems to me like she's perfect, she's a good fit for this show.

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But also, boring.

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But that's on par for Alex Jones in 2008.

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The show's pretty boring at this point.

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Really?

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Yeah, it's...

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I'm not enjoying listening to it.

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He doesn't scream that much.

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Oh, well, he was just more nonchalantly sarcastic in most of the calls.

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Yeah, so far.

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Anyway, we got one more clip from Twyla here, and Alex Jones pulls out his favorite song.

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Subsection.

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To try and impress her.

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Yes.

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Have you looked at US code, title 50, chapter 32, subsection 1528, paragraph B?

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Yes.

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I can tell that I have missed something in all my research.

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Sure have.

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So has Alex.

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He has missed paragraph C.

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Again, we've discussed this over and over again.

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That's the subsection that he uses to justify his belief in chemtrails, but paragraph C,

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which is right after paragraph B that he cites, says that informed consent is required for

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all of those things.

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And so it doesn't make a justification for this blood stuff.

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It's not a justification for chemtrail stuff.

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It's nothing.

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He's just talking shit because he memorized something that he can say fast and confuse

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people.

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It's very much the balance between the two.

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I see two big things, two buckets of how much water you're putting into each one is how

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much more important you think one is than the other.

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And to him, the paragraph B has all of the water in it and requires informed consent.

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To him, that's just like, oh, they have to put that in there.

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And then they'll manufacture your informed consent later on.

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That's always his idea is if they have any kind of, if you have any kind of thing and

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then you have a regulation on it, the regulation is a lie.

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Even if it's like, just as such a not fun game, just as the regulations on oil companies

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for climate change and all that stuff are manufactured to destroy the very thing that

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they're supposed to protect.

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So is the regulation on the evil shit that they say really something that's there for

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them to destroy whatever it is that they're, it's stupid.

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It's stupid.

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Any qualifying clause is too complicated for Alex.

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Ignore it.

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It's probably there.

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It's bullshit.

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Exactly.

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So anyway, earlier we heard that Alex Jones is advertising for tourism to Israel, which

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is fun.

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What else is he advertising?

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spyville.com is your choice for everything spy related stealth cameras, cleverly disguised

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as items commonly found around the home cameras, covert phone and voice recorders, powerful

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binoculars, security systems, and more interesting interesting for someone who's very concerned

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about the surveillance state.

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The surveillance state is everywhere.

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Join the surveillance state at spyville, get your own cottage industry of spying going

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very weird for who's watching the watchman spyville very, very weird.

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I heard that commercial.

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I'm like, this is all, this is off and on brand simultaneously.

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I don't know what to think about this.

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But then he came back from commercial Jordan and listen to this shit.

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Yeah.

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And then, and then, uh, before I forget, I keep forgetting to do this.

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There is going to be the biggest announcement this radio show has ever made.

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The biggest announcement in the history of this particular manifestation of my radio

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show that's been here and I've been doing this show since 98 so 10 years, the syndicated

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show.

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Oh, it's gotta be huge announcement in the history of this radio show coming up next

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Monday, seven days from now, you will see a huge announcement here.

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Very, very important announcement coming up next Monday.

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This is the Julian Assange of interviews right now.

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So now consider or teases at this point, Alex Jones had announced on his show that the government

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did nine 11.

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Yes.

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He has announced on his show that he predicted that the government would do nine 11 right.

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He is announced, proven he isn't both of those proven true earlier around to let's say new

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year's Eve, 2000 he announced that missiles were being launched and that there was a concentration

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camp at the Austin airport.

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Both of which happened huge announcements.

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What the fuck is this announcement?

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It's gotta be the biggest announcement in the history of info.

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Would you care to speculate on what it might be?

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Uh, boy, because it's tough to raise it up from nine 11.

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That's a big one.

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Yeah.

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Uh, the government did Pearl Harbor.

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Uh, they never dropped atomic bombs on Nagasaki.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Um, that was a false flag.

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That was a false flag.

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Japan did it to themselves.

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Yeah.

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I knew it.

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Uh, Stalin actually was just a cool bro and uh, you know what?

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There was a famine.

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No big deal.

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So, um, what else we got?

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What else we got?

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Berlusconi, Virgin.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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That's the biggest announcement in the history of info was actually a eunuch.

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Yep.

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He's overcompensating.

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Yep.

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Um, so I listened to this and I was like, there's no fucking way we can do this episode

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and I can allow that teaser to go on our show.

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Alex can play that.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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No, we can't do that.

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So I skipped a week into the future.

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Of course.

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To find out what.

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The moment you heard that teaser, you're like, well, fuck the rest of this.

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I got to hear this shit.

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So the big announcement.

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Yes.

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Is that Alex is adding the fourth hour.

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God damn it.

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So in 2008, he adds the fourth hour, which at some point fails.

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And then we've heard the reintroduction of it in 2015.

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Yeah.

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So now we've heard him announce the fourth hour twice, but we'll get to that once we

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get to April 7th, cause that's coming up in the future.

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But spoiler alert, he's bringing back the fourth hour with authority.

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So that's great.

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This next clip is a Mike down moment because we get another endearing Alex Jones loves

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country music moment.

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Wonderful.

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We're back live, ladies and gentlemen, we came from the West Virginia, we came from

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the West Virginia coal mines and the Rocky mountains, boy, it's hard to cut off junior.

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Also right there.

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That's where Alex Jones gets his skin.

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A buck run a trot line.

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Oh, okay.

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He always talks about what it means to be country from this song.

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I did not know that country folks can't survive a black hole chain reaction conducting super

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collider.

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Is that what they can survive?

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He said they can't.

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Oh, okay.

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You can't.

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He's trying to weave his narratives in here to this song.

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I thought he was throwing that in there.

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Country boys can survive a black hole.

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They can, they can survive a lot, but not that one thing.

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The country boys, look, old, old stereotype of country boys always survived black holes.

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This isn't done.

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Neither can the friend in New York city called junior hillbilly.

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I'd like to spit some beach nut in that dude's eye and shoot him with my old 45.

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All right, that's enough torture, torture of the audience.

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I'd rather just have fun and play music here on the show.

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You'd have your hard rock music with your country and your classical all mixed in with

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you.

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Okay.

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Ah, here's Gary hard.

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Okay, now here's this asshole.

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Here's Gary.

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Ah, this fucking, uh, that's, that's it right there.

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I mean, that's a hundred percent.

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That's beautiful.

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He's, he even says what we keep saying, I wish I could just play music.

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You'd have a great selection of music here.

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Play some jams.

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I would, I think the world would be better if you would've just gotten on a different

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format station.

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Imagine if he was like a morning, like a, uh, an evening DJ and he was just playing

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like the old country hits and on the side, he just threw in some batshit stuff, you know,

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with like it's, it's 45 minutes, a nonstop hits with some stuff.

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And then his, his, his like intercut is just like, Oh, that was a, that was a great song

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from Waylon Jennings, the government dead nine 11.

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Next up, we've got some, uh, wonderful, wonderful Willie Nelson.

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I think you guys are going to love this after the break.

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I think you're done government nine 11.

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You're not going to get 45 minutes uninterrupted and you shouldn't know.

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I think a great radio format would be him listening to music and screaming over it,

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getting real into it.

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Like a Joe Franklin situation, having a great time.

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Joe Frank.

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Yeah.

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I think it would be amazing.

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I would really enjoy that.

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And then, yeah, he can throw like, I met a woman at a bar.

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He could have revolutionized DJ quite frankly, like at a time when you needed DJs, like in

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the nineties when he was coming to prominence as a talk radio guy is right when clear channel

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was taking over all these like consolidating.

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What you're saying is that Alex Jones for a short moment there could have been the next

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cool Herc.

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That's what he's never going to play urban music, but he could have been a wolf, revolutionized

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DJ, a wolf man, Alex, like he could have done with the, like obviously we can't take away

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from him his creativity, the bullshit that he spins endlessly.

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If he could direct that creativity towards a more benign format, you could get something

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fascinating.

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Yeah.

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If he was just an anti-Semite in private, like an anti-Semite in private where he doesn't

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really have a reach.

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The wolf man, Jack, probably hated Jews.

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Of course.

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We have no idea.

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Who didn't?

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Dick Clark.

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It was the seventies.

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Dick Clark hated Jews.

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Yeah.

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Oh man.

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All the game show hosts.

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Yeah.

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Come on.

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Yeah.

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Hated him.

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Who was the center square?

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Do you remember?

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Shadow Stevens?

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No, no.

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Shadow.

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The center square in the-

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Whoopi Goldberg wasn't the new one.

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No, not the new one.

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The effeminate confirmed bachelor at the time.

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Charles Dawson Riley?

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No!

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God damn it.

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What's his name?

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Now I'm fucked.

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Richard Dawson?

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It's over.

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Now he wasn't ever in the center square.

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I'm just thinking of people from the match game now.

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God damn it.

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Are you sure it wasn't Charles Nelson Riley?

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No, it wasn't Charles Nelson Riley.

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Okay.

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God damn it.

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Ah!

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It's gonna kill me.

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I'm gonna look it up.

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Anyway-

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I have to look it up.

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Alex Jones had a better life in front of him and he blew it by not just becoming a DJ.

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He had a beautiful, beautiful possibility.

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Alex Jones is done with like sort of content on this episode, but this next clip is really

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interesting considering that Alex in present day has said that he had sex with 200 women

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by the time he was 16 or something like that.

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Doesn't matter.

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All of them.

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Hear this clip in context with that.

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I mean, I remember being like 18 years old and looking at women and lusting after them

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and like unhappily wishing I could have them all.

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You know, that feeling, that anxiousness of, man, she's gorgeous, man, I just want her.

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To now, I've developed to the point where I don't even desire women.

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I mean, I do, but that's a smaller part of my psyche.

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I just admire their beauty.

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I share in it and it's not even sexual.

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I don't even know how to explain it.

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It's like I'm grown.

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Pull up.

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Pull up, Alex.

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And I realize that very few people, I don't even think, ever even get to this level.

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What level?

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It's not much fun.

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It's so great to be able to appreciate beauty all around you and see it everywhere.

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But I'm already digressing and I said I'd get into things the elite are doing that endanger

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the whole planet, but I need to get into this news first here.

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What the fuck?

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I appreciate women on a different level than any of you can ever understand.

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I was going to get into what the elites are doing.

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To destroy the world.

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Of course.

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But guys, I share women's beauty.

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I don't experience it or just appreciate it.

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I share in it and delight in it.

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I think what he's trying to say is I have low T.

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I don't know what he's trying to say.

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I think that was him putting up the bat signal for someone to create super male vitality.

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Because what he's expressing there, I mean, I think-

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I don't fuck as much anymore and I think it's-

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I'm just not as interested.

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Maybe there's not enough variety.

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Married life is diff-difficult.

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Diff?

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Now he could be cool, Herc.

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Now he could be.

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I think that there is a way that a smart person could express similar things to what he's

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saying and that there is a- when you're younger, you have an all-encompassing lust for women

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and as you get older, you start to settle into an understanding of people's humanity

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a little bit more than you had when puberty was going on.

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I think that there's possibly something in there, but this is completely contradictory

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to his story of having sex with 250 women before he was 16.

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Well, I mean, that was before he could share in their beauty.

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Well, no, it just doesn't work.

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No, of course it doesn't fucking work.

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If that was-

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None of what he's saying works.

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No.

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What he just said was the ravings of a fucking serial killer.

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Totally.

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Nobody writes in their diary before they strangle and rape women.

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He's a fucking- that's an insane person thing to say.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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I don't think it's as crazy- I mean, it is coming from Alex, but it's not- the actual

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content of it, I don't think is that crazy.

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No, that's Ed Gein.

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Being able to appreciate women's beauty in a non-lustful way is, I think, what he's trying

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to express.

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Is it, though?

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Again, I'm reading context clues, and I think that's what he's trying to say.

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Look, look, nobody, nobody on this planet right now, I feel, is more in tune with the

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way Alex's brain works.

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Probably.

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So I'm gonna lean on you for this.

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Although, 2008 Alex is a different Alex, and I'm still getting accustomed to it.

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I still have to get my sea legs, as it were, about this crazy ding-dong.

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Because what I hear is, there's somebody in his trunk right now.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Also, by the way, this is a great time to cut in and say the person I was thinking of

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was Paul Lind.

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Oh, okay.

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Paul Lind, center square.

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Come on, man.

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I thought Shadow Stevens was center square for longer.

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Anyway, it doesn't matter.

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I'm most interested in the fact that this is funny, in conflict with Alex's claims of,

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first of all, being way too attractive when he was younger, and having sex with 250 women

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by the time he was 16.

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All of them.

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Because he wouldn't express things that way if it was also, like, he would be like, when

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I was 18, I felt this unrequited lust towards women, thinking, wishing I could be with

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them, but I couldn't.

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He would be like- Well, that's because he had already been with

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them.

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No, it's not.

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See, they're- No, none of this fucking makes sense.

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I'm confused.

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Yes.

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I don't know what he's trying to- That is, though, I see psychopath behavior in that,

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insofar as it is always a manipulation of his past to support his present narrative.

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Right.

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So, whenever he wants to be like, I'm the manly man, you can respect me because I fuck,

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then he's like, I already had sex with everybody.

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So much.

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Everybody that you've ever wanted to have sex with, I already did.

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Don't bother, I got it already.

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But when the narrative is, you know, I actually don't even know why he's saying that.

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Is there a reason?

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No.

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There's no reason for that, right?

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And there's no prior context that's like, oh, that makes sense.

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He had a fight with his wife or something and he just needed to get that off his chest.

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Like, what was fucking going on in his mind?

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Well, the intro to that, what came right before it, was he was talking about having money

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isn't bad, but having money be all you care about is bad.

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And so he equates that then towards the lust for women.

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Right.

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But it still doesn't help.

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Me telling you that doesn't give this proper context.

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No.

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Did he talk to the vicar recently?

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Like what happened here?

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And between that talking about money and him getting into the clip that we just played,

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long pause, where he's clearly thinking, but yeah, so I don't know, man, I again, I like

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he does.

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He does have sometimes that feel of like all of a sudden all of his previous lies and bullshit

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just like catch up to him for a moment.

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And he's just this very open and honest person telling way more than he wants to.

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Well, I imagine once it all collapses, he'll be one of the most interesting people in the

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world to talk to, because I think he has a perspective that no one can possibly imagine.

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Right.

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Like the idea of lying for 20 years, like even if he actually believes that the globalists

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exist, he has to know that he's lying about a lot of other stuff in order to reinforce

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that narrative.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And he has convinced himself and has the cognitive dissonance involved to be like, well, I'm

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lying about this tiny detail, but it's only because it reinforces the bigger thing that

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I believe is true.

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Right, right, right.

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And so that's fine.

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Anything in service to the larger truth, a lie to solve the larger problem is fine.

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And I think once it all collapses, I think he probably will have a incredibly interesting

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perspective that I will go to prison and interview him about for my forthcoming novel, where

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he and I try -

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The two Dans!

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Exactly.

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Where I try and make peace with my evil twin.

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Yes.

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Anyway, in this next clip, this is our last clip, Alex Jones.

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Like you said earlier, this is before the banks entirely collapse and what have you.

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Before we have the full-on financial crisis that comes in the end of 2008.

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Which, hey, guys, you thought you were excited for Avengers 3.

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Let me tell you something.

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The sequel to the 2008 financial crash is going to be huge.

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And hearing Alex -

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Black Panther just made over a billion dollars.

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We're going to lose over two trillion.

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It's going to be incredible.

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And I'm super excited to hear Alex's rhetoric as that's happening, too.

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Because it's going to coincide with the rise of the -

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No, this is actually the -

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This is Obama.

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This is Obama's fault.

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He's running for president.

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That's why it all fell apart.

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But he, in this last clip, is talking about the banks and what have you, but then he gets

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weird.

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And they're getting total Nazi-like power over all the other banking and lending and

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brokerage and stock institutions.

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Those fucking globalists.

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See, now you're just going to have a few people with it all.

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And then there'll be another crisis.

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And then they'll offer the next solution as the tourniquet.

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It's kind of like one of those traps.

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The more you struggle, the tighter it gets.

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And they're just always there, going, I'm your friend.

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Never mind my hands around your neck.

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There you go.

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There you go, yes.

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I love you so much.

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Oh, don't struggle.

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I'm just helping your neck.

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Just wiping some sand off.

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Don't you mind that.

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Oh, you're passing out now, I'm your friend.

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I'm the government.

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So like, he's not like this, Alex, I feel like I could go out to a bar with and have

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a conversation with.

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And we would...

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Alex?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Because like, like with the Koch brothers, they have the Center for Freedom Progress,

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which is like Americans for whatever prosperity.

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It's all this shit that's built under this name of like, we're helping you.

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And what they're doing is fucking you.

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You know, like, there's a point there that he gets it.

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But if I could just like twist the reason for it, just like, no, no, no, it's not globalist.

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It's these guys.

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And they are doing it.

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No, no, you're right.

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That's what they're doing.

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You're just wrong about how and who and why they're doing it.

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But he's too dumb and entrenched to listen to you.

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Because that's why I would go back in time to 2008.

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I feel like we would have more common ground.

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No, because again, this is an example of the broken clock being right twice a day.

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Right.

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You have like, we know because of history that the financial crash is coming.

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Right.

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And Alex Jones is doing what he does all the time because he works for a guy who sells

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gold, which is warning people and saying everything is going to fucking collapse.

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Right.

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So it's not like this is the only time he said it and he's fucking right that this is

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what's coming.

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Right.

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It's just, it's just what he does all the time.

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And it just so happened.

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And it just so happened.

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Yeah.

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A bit after this, it did happen.

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And if you're playing the like everything is going to crash eventually, if you just

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say it over and over and over again, it's coming.

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When it does crash, you're going to seem like a genius.

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That's what's so weird about now where he's saying that everything is going to turn around

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and it's going to crash.

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Like he is saying it's going to crash.

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He's saying it's going to crash, but it's going to because of the globalists who are

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fighting the Trump prosperity movement.

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Right.

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He does have us coming and going on that way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He has it both ways.

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Yeah.

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The only reason that I wanted to keep that clip in is not because I think he said sooth

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about the banks or anything like that, but because it's a good demonstration that even

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10 years ago, Alex was still really creepy.

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He's still really gross and he's still getting deep into those weird fantasies where he's

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playing it out like, I'm going to kill you and that stuff.

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But you can even note that he has somebody in his trunk.

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Hold on.

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But even back in 2008 though, he's not as severe about it.

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Like the current version of it is much more animated and much scarier.

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This is just sort of like, he's not even committing.

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Yeah.

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He would have gone, like if he had done that speech now, he would go into like details

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of how they're taking you through the back door and going through the, and now you're

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being torn down to the basement and they have a gurney down there.

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Why wouldn't they have a gurney down there?

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They're the globalists.

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They keep gurneys in their basements and in the basement gurney, they're going to have

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a gurney on top of that gurney.

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And they got your kid's blood.

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Oh, well yeah.

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Cause it's called adrenochrome.

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And they're going to like pour it on you in order to gain your blood's adrenochrome and

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all that shit.

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They're going to make you get high on your children's blood because that'll make you

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have even more adrenochrome in your blood.

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Exactly.

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Uh, yeah.

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That's that sort of shit.

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I mean, look, we've come to the end of the first episode of the 2008 investigation.

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And we've learned a lot.

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Look, I don't think we have.

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I'll be perfectly honest with you.

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Like I, I've mentioned this along the way a little bit and I think it bears repeating

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2008 Alex is much more boring than current day.

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Yeah.

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Uh, mostly because he wasn't, uh, constantly in a state of being pressed against a wall

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and being a caged animal.

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Like he is a Wolverine who's like, it has the back to the wall.

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At this point, he is fucking screaming about anything and everything in 2018 and in 2008

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he had a much easier row to hoe.

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He has a, you know, he's got money coming in from the Israeli tourism board.

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People are donating because of his dumb documentaries that we thoroughly debunked.

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Uh, and he has a comfortable existence.

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Like I said, he's still married to Kelly at this point.

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Uh, Info Wars is a small operation with only a few employees.

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He doesn't have a ton of overhead.

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But it's an independent business that he runs.

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He doesn't have to worry about a boss.

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He doesn't have to worry about, there's, there's so much going on about his life that he gets

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to sit around and listen to country boys can survive and have a great time with it and

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then get into whatever he wants to get into, whatever narratives he wants to spin.

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And he's, he's, he's living it right.

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But I, I, you know, you do hear some of that, like I'm sure he feels like he's getting complacent.

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He's not, uh, fulfilling his ambition in the same way.

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Like with the way that for bigger things, like the way that he feels, uh, the, the way

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that he takes those calls of just like, yeah, sure.

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There's a fucking helicopter.

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No, that's not fair.

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Fair enough.

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He's dismissive of his fucking callers all the time.

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Okay.

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Fair.

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They're boring and clearly lying to it.

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Well, yeah.

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Even he knows that.

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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The, the, the only thing that's important about that fucking caller is not his, uh,

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this snide dismissal.

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It's that he is irresponsible and like not helping that guy.

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That guy needs help.

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That's, yeah, that's, uh, what's going on with that.

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Or he needs friends.

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So I think that, uh, you know, in time the, uh, there's no helicopter, find a singles

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group.

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Right.

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You need a meet up.

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Go bowling.

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No, it doesn't, uh, Tinder doesn't exist yet, but one day it will.

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Okay, cupid?

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Uh, chemtrails.

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I think eHarmony was around back then.

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That guy was a chemtrail blogger.

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Why didn't he bring up the subsection with him?

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That's a good question.

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Interesting.

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Anyway, I don't know.

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I think, I think in time we're going to discover things that are, uh, much more concrete, but

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at this point we have, uh, the beginnings of some indications, uh, of, I don't know

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what.

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It's going to get weird.

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Well, you know, you know what, here's the, here's the thing with the 2015 investigation.

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We had a concrete thing in mind and that was Trump.

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What about Trump?

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We started on the day that Trump announced his candidacy and saw what happened from there.

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Here this is so much more open-ended because the tea party doesn't quite exist yet.

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The primaries aren't hot yet.

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We're laying a lot of context.

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We're getting indications of who he was back then and what the lay of the land is.

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And as that's the case, I think this investigation is going to be, uh, we're, we don't, I don't

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know what we're going to find.

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I don't know.

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We're going to, we're going to indict a lot of people who might not be, uh, the main targets

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here.

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Like with, with Alex back, back in this time, what I'm hearing is we're going to get all

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of these kinds of different waypoints starting to generate.

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Yeah.

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And, and so what we're going to find, well, we've already found on this episode, the government

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is trying to take your children's blood, clearly comes from Twyla Brace who works for a coke

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funded, but that's what I'm saying.

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That's what we're going to find here is all of these, uh, uh, sources and, and how it

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is that they are affecting his worldview now.

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That's what I, that's what I'm really interested in this investigation is like, how is it that

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this guy who is, uh, just like, again, right in the wrong way a few times, right.

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How does this guy turn into the weird fucking monster that is just, uh, an unhinged as you,

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as you said, rabid Wolverine.

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Yeah.

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Like where does this guy come from?

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Where do we go from singing fucking the highwayman to the country boys?

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Exactly.

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Yeah, and wishing he was doing fucking radio.

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God.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's, it's weird.

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I think, I think those are the two things that we're going to find.

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Uh, my intention in starting this is figuring out stuff about the tea party, uh, and the

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rise of the tea party through the lens of Alex and I think, uh, ultimately it's going

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to lead back to the Koch brothers probably, but I think the accidental thing that we're

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going to find is the beginnings of all of his narratives that you mentioned and that's,

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that's probably much more valuable.

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Yeah.

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Uh, this is going to be probably the worst time of my life.

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Uh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's going to be long.

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It's going to be boring for you and everybody else is going to have a good time.

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You know, try and make the best out of it and make a show out of it, but, uh, thank

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you all so much for supporting us and all.

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If you want to find us, you can find us at our website, knowledgefight.com just renewed

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That's another year.

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That's very, uh, confident of you.

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It's cheaper that way.

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Um, and uh, what you can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.

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Correct.

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We're also on Facebook.

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Uh, you can go to iTunes, you can go to the Libsyn, you can find our podcast on places.

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You can basically those two, those two places, um, beyond that, uh, I don't know, man.

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So I mean, I think the obvious way to start, um, as far as the evil that we're going to

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deal with, that's going to keep popping up again, so we might as well get it out now.

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Uh, go fuck yourself.

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The Koch brothers.

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What about daddy?

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Fred?

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Oh yeah.

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He can go fuck himself too.

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Amen.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.