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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a person color I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight

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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes sit around drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones. Jesus

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You are rushing through this shit. Yeah, you might as well call me

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Call me call me. Do you want to go with that? You want to go with a Russian investigation?

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I'm rushing my investigation into Alex Jones. There you go, and I don't know anything about Alex Jones

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So we're back for part two of our coverage of the Megyn Kelly interview

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we have done pregame and now this is postgame interview and

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Boy, I'll tell you what she fucking nailed him to the wall. Really? Nope. Oh

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God, damn it. Dan gave me hope for one second. Oh, I'll tell you that

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I'll give you a summation of what I think ahead of time. It's very predictable. Uh-huh. Alex Jones does not need tapes

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Secretly made of these that it's I

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don't want to call Megyn Kelly shit because that's not fair and she has a

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Career behind her she's a trained journalist and it's easy to armchair quarterback to say well could have done better

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Right, but the reality is she got so close. Oh, really?

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She got so close and also so far. Yeah, there were a couple moments where that always the way of it

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Yeah, there are a couple moments that were like Oh legitimately like push it push it. Yeah

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Yeah, and then it was the subject wasn't pushed. It's clear that the intention of it was Sandy Hook, right?

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It's clear that a further intention of it is to make more explicit the connection between Alex Jones and Donald Trump

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Okay, those two things are very clear. I

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Wouldn't say it's necessarily a hatchet job

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It's just it's not good. It's not right. It's not what she should have done

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Well, it was it was it an entertaining interview? Like did she accomplish that not for me?

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But I know a lot about Alex Jones right, you know, so it for me it there were a couple moments where I was impressed

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Okay, it dug something up. That's good. But that we have covered. Okay. Well

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So but there are a couple of moments where I was like you might have listened to our show

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No, certainly not but it's like oh that's outside

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that's outside the mainstream so good because there's a couple things that have reached the zeitgeist the

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Turning frogs gay. Yeah, the everything that's been memed calling Schiff a cocksucker

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These things are or even Trump's call when he called into the right. These are in public consciousness

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There are a couple moments where she pulls out something like oh damn

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Some of the Islamophobia shit. No, no, we'll get to it. Okay, I have just segmented the entire report

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Okay, and let's just start it off. We'll go with where she begins. So if you've listened to the pregame interview, that was

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Six and a half hours long and if you've cut together the entire interview this time it will be

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Five and a half hours long not a chance. Okay, this has way less to discuss quite frankly

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All right. I do have some suggestions of what I wish she would have done. Uh-huh, certainly

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And I'm sure you'll have some of your own but I think I think we could probably get this done in an hour

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We could bang this out. Yeah, I think so. All right, so here we go first tonight our report on the incendiary radio host

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Alex Jones, I'm already out for years Jones has been spreading conspiracy theories

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claiming for instance that elements of the US government allowed the 9-eleven attacks to happen and

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That the horrific Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax

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Some thought we shouldn't broadcast this interview because his baseless allegations aren't just offensive. They're dangerous

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But here's the thing

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Alex Jones isn't going away

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Over the years his YouTube channel has racked up 1.3 billion views

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He has millions of listeners and the ear of our current president

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We begin our report with his reaction to the recent terrorist attack in Manchester, England

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So that's her introduction to the piece and I really don't like the tone of it because it sounds like she's asking for help

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Yeah, there is a submissiveness not like not like she's a weak woman, but there is an implicit like you guys

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The president listens to him right and I just I just wrote down

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rationalization sure like that was the first thought I had listening to that intro is she

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Heard all of the criticism because I'm assuming that this was this was recorded after probably there was some blowback

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Well, I mean she even says people said we shouldn't yeah, exactly

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So this whole thing is like we aired we did this interview

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You told us not to but here's why we're doing it for you, right?

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And I agree with the basic premise that like hey guys take him seriously, right?

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But the angle that he is how that's in that's our premise the angle that I would come from

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Is not the president listens to him

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He has millions of viewers because that empowers him right the angle that I would take is he is a out-and-out bigot

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he is a monster and

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He lies all the time, which is that very

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Reminiscent of the president whose ear he has right, but if you make that line, so

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so, you know if you make such a big deal out of that then it

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To dumb people it kind of reinforces Alex right in the same way

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The press credentials are an illusory thing where you can just get them like that. That's a stunt or whatever

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So it it reinforces him in some people's eyes. I think it's the wrong way to go. He has over a billion views

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Yeah, this man is powerful. Mm-hmm. I have reached a powerful man. He has

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Millions of listeners regardless of whether or not he does

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Well, the thing is in order to make the premise of her piece work

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she has to build him up to take him down of course and that is kind of foolish because if you have the

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Introduction being like he has the ear of a strong president

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He has billions of listeners blah blah blah all this all you're doing is making your job harder

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Yeah, if you say he has lots of people who listen to him

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But there are people who are being lied to right and you clearly

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Demarcate like most of his narratives have to do with bigotry

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Most of them have to do with white identity

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Oh if you do that

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You can come at it from a more robust perspective to begin with and in a way that doesn't explicitly empower him

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But she can't open that way. You could I could do it. Yes, but she can't I mean

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I mean on on NBC she probably not. Yeah, probably not it would be and that would be like

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That would be a fucking flamethrower across the bow

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Yeah, it's like we're gonna light this shit on fire and get the fuck out. But somewhat that's what you kind of have to do

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Yeah, well exactly. It's fucking Alex Jones

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He's an emotional guy and he does hit people on an emotional level because clearly it's not on a rational level

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No

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and Megan tries to

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Play some of those games that emotional stuff as we'll see as it goes on and it's a completely in a ineffective tectic

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Tectic tectic so she in effective tectic as she introduced they wanted to start with the Manchester

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situation she gets into that and

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Here we go. I love it manchester

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Alex Jones was nearly 5,000 miles away from Manchester England when a suicide bomber killed 22 people at a concert less than four weeks ago

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Despite the distance and with few facts known Jones did what he often does jumped mouth-first into controversy

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This is a big bomb goes off at a pop stars rock concert bombing a bunch of liberal trendies

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You said it was a bunch of liberal trendies who were killed the same people who are promoting open borders

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Bringing islamists in yes in response to which many people looked at the victims

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Many of them were 15 14. It was a little I'm sorry. I didn't blow him up

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I know but I did something bad though. No that that you would suggest that an eight that an eight-year-old

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Right. There was Safi Rose Rousseau eight years old that she was a liberal trendy

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I guess that's what you said about the victims is what has people know that's at no

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No that the media misrepresenting and clipping that the way you did right out the gate Alex

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Heard about it the ages of the victims weren't even known

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but they were saying it was your hottie and I said how crazy is it that liberal trendies are now the victims and

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Then I start going and looking of course if there's kids being killed by Muslims. I'm not saying that that it's their fault

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reckless accusation

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Equifications and excuses is classic Alex Jones. So Megan is giving a little bit too much

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Leeway to the audience absolutely to draw their own conclusions

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She needed to press much harder on the fact that he straight-up just admitted there

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I made a video and I made these claims when I didn't have any of the information

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I didn't even know anything about the victims, right? I didn't know any of the details

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She should have pressed incredibly hard on that. That's bullshit on our episode about that

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Yeah, he very clearly said that it was the parents fault. Yep that their kids died

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Yep

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It was the parents who supported open borders who were the cause of their own children's death

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Now if you were to bring that up to him, he'd be like, yeah

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That's proof that I didn't say this eight-year-old was a liberal trendy. I was talking about the parents

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Yeah, and then I was talking about how it's the parents fault that their kids died

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Yeah, and let's just fucking deal with this for a second to before we get to it

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There is a lot of Sandy Hook stuff here and apparently I haven't seen it

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But I saw on Twitter that it's being reported that Alex Jones put out a Sandy Hook video tonight

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No, apparently and I I'm not a hundred percent sure on this

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I should up I should reload his channel and see if there is a video that he has put out but from what I understand

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He was going to put out a video

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Pleading to yep. Yep. Here it is

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Alex Jones father's day message to Newtown families. Oh fuck

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Fucking Christ and he apparently claims that the mainstream media lies about him and he wants to start a dialogue directly with them

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which is

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Fucking no, that's abuse that that in and of itself is abusive to these families

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So he's it like if it wasn't about murdered children, that's great trolling

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But it is so it's not

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Uh, but yeah, he's lying about what he said about Manchester even in this interview

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She's just allowing him to lie on television. Yeah and not pressing the issue that oh, oh you did

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You you just said that you didn't know what you were talking about

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Yeah

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when you

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Posted this video that people are going to listen to right and they people think is the truth and not only that but just admitted

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You lied you constantly say that you are always proven, correct? Yep. Oh

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99% of the time you are always proven, correct? Yep

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dumb dumb anyway here this

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After this she gets into discussion of Trump stuff. They can just carte blanche go anywhere

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They want he has spent nearly two decades on the fringe

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Shouting his conspiracy theories into any microphone. He could get in front of bigotry here

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He is on Austin Community Television in 2001 tyranny is enveloping the globe

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I wanted to pause it for a second because the way she frames it the entire time is

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Conspiracy theory. Yeah, exactly. And as we know from researching them for the last six months

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That's not at all really an accurate depiction of what he is or what he does

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Maybe it was at the beginning right, but it is not. No, it is absolutely not it and I

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Don't I know that you got it the limitations of news magazine shows are real and I understand you got to work within a network

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And you can't say something that could get you sued because you know, you have standards unlike Alex, right?

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uh, but it's it's so reductive to call him a conspiracy theorist when you don't follow up with

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Most of your conspiracies really dovetail into race and fucking masculinity. Yes

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Do you think that's interesting Alex? Absolutely and it she doesn't really get into that and that's kind of disappointing

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Just like just like we I don't know if we talked about this on air

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But we definitely texted about it where it's like no news station

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No news station will directly come out and say you are espousing white nationalist beliefs. Yeah

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Yeah, that's not going to happen. No, and that's the only thing that should have until it's way too late

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Yeah, exactly. And then it'll be some rogue channel. Even if they interviewed like Richard Spencer, they wouldn't be like

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You've you've declared yourself a white nationalist

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Well W Kamau Bell interviewed Richard Spencer and half of the stuff that I saw on Twitter about it was

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Charles Barkley giving a side-eye, you know

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Most of it was about like Charles Barkley being surprised by the things that Richard Spencer says Jesus

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And look, I'm not gonna say that that is look that's another issue for another day, right?

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He and his company infowars have been steadily gaining followers for years

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Producing radio shows and webcasts which reach millions a month

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But Jones's influence hit new heights when he attracted a very famous fan then presidential candidate Donald Trump

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I just want to finish by saying your reputations amazing in December 2015. Mr

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Trump appeared on Jones's radio program offering praise and promises. I will not let you down

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You will be very very

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Impressed I hope and I think we'll be speaking a lot

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So, um, I think that there's a really bad missed opportunity to go into like the investigation that we're doing into

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2015 if she would have just listened to something from that time period and heard Alex saying

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Donald Trump is a con man

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He's the front man for some consortiums on the East Coast you could make this part of your interview really much more interesting

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Right because you're talking about how Trump is, you know praising him and they're super connected could be like

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What's the deal with this right and there's no there's no pressing on it. Well, I mean think about the I

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I mean, I hate I I truly believe this if you are

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Researching Alex Jones for Megyn Kelly's interview. That'd be tough. You are good

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You are dipping in to get what you want and then you are getting the fuck out like legitimately if they knew about us

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They should have reached out. Yeah, because we have done it already, right? We have the information they need right?

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Exactly just kind of sucks. But it also this is me sucking my own dick a little bit

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Well, you're you may I mean again

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I still you're the only person who listens to Alex Jones every day critically. Yeah. Well, I I mean there's there's insane

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There's probably a lot of people who listen and just like yeah get him Alex, right?

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well, but even then I would imagine that a lot of it is just

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When you're listening to it because this happens to tons of people who listen to the radio where it's like you just phase in

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And out yeah, you know you're listening during something

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I'm taking notes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so yeah

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Anyway, you don't remember but again, he deals with an emotional level and so you don't remember the dumb shit

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He says if you're a fan of his real easy to just that water goes under that bridge

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Yeah, exactly. What you remember is he made me feel like I had a voice he charged me up

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Yeah, now he was lying to charge you a rare and you know a couple months later

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You don't remember when his narrative was a complete bullshit lie exactly, but the damage is done

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He made you feel that way right, you know

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The what is it the serotonin kicked into your brain the dopamine receptors the oxytocin came out

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Like you just had an orgasm is a barrage of different brain chemicals

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Anyway, she says more about Trump separately

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Both men had supported the false statement that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen

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And they've had more in common since I

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Agree with Trump on that. He agrees to me. They've got articles. He's following Alex on coal. He's following Alex on guns

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He's following Alex on borders the 2016 campaign was good for info Wars its YouTube monthly views reached

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83 million in November 2016 more than five times higher than the previous November and when mr. Trump won

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Alex Jones found himself with access to the seat of power

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Info Wars got a temporary White House press pass for the first time and Jones says mr

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Trump called him after the election to thank him for his help

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You have said that it's surreal to say something on info Wars and then hear it come out of the president United States mouth

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couple days later, I mean that has happened, but

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Do you think he's watching I mean, I know Trump watches and sees the clips and things we did find indications of that

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On July 22nd 2015 info Wars put up this video

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Claiming it showed drug trafficking along the US Mexico border

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Although we don't know what it actually shows. We actually witnessed a drug smuggling operation from Mexico in

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US 3d so that is from an episode that might have gotten lost to the sands of time

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Yeah, we discussed this in our investigation back in 2015

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Joe Biggs went down to Laredo and may or may not have caught a drug deal on tape and then lied about being chased by

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Cartels, yeah

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But that's that's the one that I'm impressed

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She found in case you in case you in case you never hear what may be a lost episode

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You may or may not you may or may not the point that I?

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Lovingly made was that if they had caught a cartel they would be fucking beheaded by now. Yeah. Yeah, they'd have their fingers

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Oh, you're gone Prince gone. Yeah. No, they're it's made up their debt

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Yeah, so she makes a great point that we don't know what was on that day exactly and I think we made that point as

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Well, but I'm still impressed that she found that that is a good one because that's not something that's necessarily one of the main attacks

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Right and from 2015. That's I mean, that's cool. It's not bad. So here we go days later. Mr

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Trump gave this speech in Iowa big story. It's all over the place now guys swimming across and big bags of stuff

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Stuff, it's drugs

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swimming across

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The river this was info wars previewing the first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton

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I think she's gonna show up and

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On drugs though. She's locked up and mr. Trump's take not long after we should take a

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drug test

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Prior because I don't know what's going on with her

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The Donald Trump ally and frequent info wars guest Roger Stone underscored the connection between Jones and the Trump campaign

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In a tweet last spring it read

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MSM elites don't see that Alex Jones and info wars reach millions of Donald Trump supporters and helped make the Trump Revolution

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All that's another good one because a lot of people aren't talking about the direct connection between Stone and Jones, right?

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No, they are they are I mean, yeah stones and Jones sounds like a very good TV show

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No, it's gonna be on the info wars network

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God forbid ever happens. I

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Disagree, I think people are aware that Roger Stone is on info wars all the time at people who know who Roger Stone is, right?

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But then beyond that all of those things just again buttress his credibility or buttress his importance, right?

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You know there is the the Trump keeps repeating him Roger Stone an ally of Trump has said that they were integral in the success

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Of the quote Trump revolution, right?

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And now there's a little piece of the interview that she plays that I I think might on first glance sound bad

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But I don't think it does Donald Trump calls me secretary says Donald Trump like talk to mr.

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Jones you like to talk to him. Yes

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Boom while Jones has boasted of his contact with the president on his radio show he downplayed it in his interview with us

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Claiming the mainstream media or MSM has exaggerated their connection. Thanks. I think my influence on Trump is way way lower

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That what MSM has said well, what kind of access you have?

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He's just called sometimes and you know talked about politics or thank me like that. It's a would you describe yourself as friends?

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No

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friendly sure and

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How many times has he called you?

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I don't want to get into all that so that sounds bad because obviously the number is very low

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yeah, but the

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People who are inclined to think Jones is pretty cool would see that as humility. They would see that as discretion

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I don't want to talk about that. That's not important

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Well, I think my my initial reaction to that was he was saying I don't want to get into that

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Because the number is so large like that's the idea that I think possible

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That's the idea that I think he wants to get off is do you think that's the perception?

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He wants to leave people with exactly. It's possible

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I don't want to get into that because it happens

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You know it happens more than you would expect and more that you would be happy with well

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I think that flies counter to the beginning of that where he says that the MSM is

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Exaggerating his influence on him unless the point of that is to say that Trump is his own man

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And I can't influence him, but we talk all the time. Yeah, well no they possible. They cut that clip out of context

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Which is very much like when he was saying that stuff

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He was also saying I talked to Trump all the time

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It's like at this if you recall if you recall the stuff that we've we've listened to many times

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He's saying you know I have the ear of Trump and then later on that turned into we don't talk

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But he's just doing the same Americana. We have a mind now exactly

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So I think and again with this he's obfuscating so well totally of is it a lot

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Is it a little you don't know and I'm not gonna make it clear

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I'm slippery exactly and and I want to make clear there is like you can tell that it's edited as any late

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Night news magazine is but I I watched this through. I don't think that there's anything that they play that is

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Misrepresentative of Alex Jones's positions right there are cuts in the video, but that's that's how you make salad

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Yeah, and she is not doing a terrible job of setting up those clips

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I would prefer less of an NPR tone to her. Yeah, it's a little it's a little in that wheelhouse

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Yeah, it's very much that cadence

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it's that that kind of tone and the the volume of it well and whenever you

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Are sort of allow him to he's gonna lie. Yeah, and thankfully a little bit later. There are a couple of

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There's a couple of instances of her

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Pressing him on a little bit and you do see him get flummoxed a little bit

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Okay, good, but those are the moments when you need to go in for the haymaker or I need to knock him out

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Yeah, and she just doesn't have that right hook. She just doesn't have whatever punches needed

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Maybe it's a lack of information. Maybe maybe or maybe she did or no

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Maybe that well the the thing is oh, maybe she did and if we and it's not in there

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like is it it's entirely possible that well what we've seen from Alex of just

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Constant like desperation. Yeah, exactly and it's the end of the world

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Yeah, and what is like did she have that haymaker and they just didn't cut it in there. It's possible

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I mean it serves everyone's purpose in terms of making money for them to not demolish him exactly, but to shame him emotionally in some way

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but it doesn't serve anybody's purpose of

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Actually dealing with the problem of Alex now. This is this is conspiracy territory for us

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But it I do like the idea that it is possible that there's some like complete destruction

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That she has on tape and Alex was super scared that that was going to be in the piece and that's why

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Whenever they were doing their live broadcast on infowars of the champagne. Yep. Yep

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They were drinking champagne

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certification Alex cheers and champagne glasses because that thing that would have destroyed me isn't in there well and you it wasn't it's not my

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Conspiracy theory so much as it is kind of building off what you said earlier

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Which is that or not earlier today, but on earlier episodes

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Um, she may not know what it is. She has that's true. Like that could be one of the problems

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There is and and this is the big thing is that they don't live in that world

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No, like they don't understand they're coming to it. She doesn't bring up globalist once. No. Well, see that's

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Bananas. Yeah, there's no if you're gonna call them noted conspiracy theorists

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The first thing you should say is for 20 years. He's been yelling about the globalists

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Which is either evidence that she works for the club

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Or a complete unwillingness to unpack that myth, right?

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Because I think it does become maybe too difficult for news magazine television to get into like dude

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Yeah, are you serious? Right? So it I mean it's possible. But yeah, I

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And and again, they wouldn't they're coming from an almost anthropological like already

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Yeah, this has the it has the feel of a Discovery Channel show

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It has the feel of some lunatic in the wild. It's almost too fair

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Yeah, and even when they get into they're about to get into Sandy Hook, even that is almost too fair

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It's it's nice to him almost right which is weird cuz

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Cuz he's a fucking monster. Yeah, so here now admittedly if somebody tried to cut down our stuff to 17 minutes

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They would have to go through

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What?

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200 hours

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Right minute 27. Yeah

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So here's here's the next clip what is it do you think about Alex Jones that President Trump finds so amazing

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That's a scary question

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Charlie Sykes is a conservative writer and contributor to NBC News. He's been critical of President Trump

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Obviously, there's a conspiratorial turn in the president's thinking in his imagination this dude and those darker impulses are fed into

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by

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Alex Jones Jones speaks to his listeners for hours a day six days a week

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His rants can be vulgar and hate-filled like this one directed at a member of Congress

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Schiff looks like the art type

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Art type old and there's something about this fairy popping around bossing everybody around trying to intimidate

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Me and you I want to tell congressman Schiff and all the rest of them

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You want to sit here and say that I'm a Russian you get in my face with that

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I'll beat your damn ass you son of a bitch. So again, she plays that and doesn't ask him. Hey, how drunk were you?

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Crazy drunk that is how many ways are there to learn Alex?

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Oh

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Where's knock?

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Hey, did you ever end up selling that car?

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Like there's so much just watch that fucking episode that you're taking this clip that everyone is seen cuz media matters pushed it out

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Go and watch that episode. There's so much more so much more. Yeah, that's a gold mine

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Yeah, who gives it like that's the fun thing of that episode who gives a shit about that rant. No that episode is

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Bananas, that's the even the one that has the gold the skull covered in semen. Yeah, the diamond-encrusted skull

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Did did nobody actually watch that or do they think that it's not going to be palatable I think that no one watched it

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I think that everyone just saw the clip that got posted around went viral and they don't think like what's the context of this?

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Yeah, what the fuck else was happening that and they just think oh, he's crazy. He's yelling

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It's like no he does crazy yell, but that's drunk. Yeah, he's fucking drunk

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So that is fascinating that are we are we maybe the only people who have been like, oh that dude's shit face

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I've never heard anyone else talk about it now nor have I heard anybody else bring up the other fucked up stuff

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He says yeah

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Well, but the other the other thought about that though is that there's no way to conclusively prove he was drunk, right?

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But you can suggest it

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Would you excuse me Alex while you went on that expletive filled rant?

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Also, they didn't play my favorite part which is that he should fill his hand fill your hand. Yeah

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Were you shit faced? Yeah, how much wild turkey did you drink noted podcast knowledge fight?

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Posted this picture. No, let that one go. Don't don't add that

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Adject award-winning podcast they posted a picture of you with the drink in your hand

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What do you say to that? That is that is crazy, but that would be easy for him to get away from his eyes water

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Yeah, I was tired right or whatever, but I I just think like come on know the context of the clip

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You're and again God I would be anything for a where's knock. Yeah, where's knock?

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So then he just breaks down crying. I killed him. I killed with a brick. Yeah

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He was trying to beat me up, right?

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Why I hate dogs. Well, I put him in a coma first, but then it was like well, we might as well put him down

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Yeah, then his bitch of a mom soon. I'd imagine imagine I said I said bitch there because it's dog cuz it's a dog

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Yep. Sorry, go ahead. They bleeped it out. Yeah

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beep now just like all of those little things of like

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How how is it that you have dealt with your violence as a child?

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Do you not see how that is carried on from maybe not physical violence, but it's the same type of

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Aggressive emotional violence you're inflicting emotional violence on your audience and on

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witting

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Bystanders like these Andy Hook families like everybody who was in comet ping-pong when that guy came in with a gun

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Yeah, and thankfully we'll get to it. Megan Kelly does do a pretty decent job of

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Comet ping-ponging well bringing all those things and making Alex responsible for them, huh?

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But not really not just pressing it like getting deep into it

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Well, and that is not really to his face. She does it in the NPR voice. Oh, no, that's not fair

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Yeah, so here's the next clip

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Jones began developing his conspiracy theories as a teenager

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He grew up the oldest child of a dentist and a homemaker and went to high school in Austin, Texas

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And I also had family that was educated

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So, I mean I just knew how things actually worked versus what the news was saying

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Sometimes after a brief stint in community college Jones found his calling and public access TV in Austin

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He went into business for himself

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founding infowars in

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1999 many doubted his prospects, but he's now worth millions

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He got a public access TV show paid for by his dad. No, just throw that. No, no, no

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No, the first the first radio gig. Yeah. Yeah his public access show. He got on his own, right?

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Right. No, that's that's something that you should throw in there

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It's just like and you know what? I actually think that that's part of the overly fairness of it

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Yeah, no discussion of how his dad bought him a radio show basically

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No discussion of how he started infowars because he got fired from a radio station, right?

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So like there's it's too fair. It's just like no he was enterprising. So we started infowars

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Well, and that's and that fits into his narrative though of like I am a self-made man

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Yep, and so you put that in there and it and there's a decent chance that Megan

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Was told that by him of course because didn't she didn't do research into it

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She just bought it and didn't know like nananana. Yeah, your CIA dentist dad bought you a radio show

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We all know that what a great question. That would be that'd be nuts

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Do you feel like your CIA dentist dad is the only reason you're successful right now. No, it's mostly knock

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This is the nonk episode

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I'm Alex Jones your host infowars makes most of its money by selling products like male supplements

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It has just come off of me and soon there'll be nothing left the main pitchman Jones himself

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I mean it costs 45 50 million dollars a year to run this how much money is being made

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Well, the money that's made is pretty much put back into things. That's a fucking missed opportunity

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Yeah, that is so missed

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Like press press on it. Don't give me vague bullshit. Most of the money goes back. How how much yeah

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How much are you making? Would you say you're a profitable company?

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Yeah, you don't even mean like you don't even need to do like oh give me a number just like do you?

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Do you feel like the company itself makes money? Do you thought do you feel like you're a financially successful business?

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Yeah, cuz then to say no

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Exactly hurts his pride to say yes. Oh really how much yeah, exactly

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I have a lot

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I have a buddy who I used to like he was a friend of mine back in Missouri and one of his big things was

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He whenever he'd meet people he like how much money do you make?

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Just to get aggressive what a dick shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it was somehow a dick move

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Yeah, no, it is hilarious

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But it's the breaking of that social norm that nobody really knows other than a class system

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Yeah, like the reason that you don't talk about that is because nobody wants to admit that there's a class system in the country

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Yeah, and how I understood it

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I don't know this to be true from personal experience

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But everyone who grew up in st. Louis told me that the sort of version of that

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The way you get around that is ask people what high school they went to right they grew up in st

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Louis and the high schools are so segregated right that if you say I went to X Y or Z

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You know a lot about them

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Oh, you can peg them by class based on what high school they went to so that's sort of a polite way

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America's the best country. We're pretty great. Yeah, so at this point the interview skews into the controversial topics

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Jones uses that money to spread his message a message that has caused enormous pain

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What he has done is he has injected this sort of toxic paranoia

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Into the mainstream of conservative thought in a way that would have been inconceivable a couple of decades ago

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we're talking about somebody who traffics and some of the

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sickest

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most offensive types of theories

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At the top of that list is Jones's outrageous statement that the slaughter of innocent children and teachers at Sandy Hook

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Elementary School one of the darkest chapters in American history

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Was a hoax that that kind of conservative rewriting of history drives me insane

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Like this Sykes, dude

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Yeah idea the idea that there hasn't been a massive amount of toxic paranoia built entirely around race

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Mm-hmm boggles my mind like rewriting that history of like Oh Alex Jones is the first guy to peddle these

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Toxic paranoia is ideas. Like what are you fucking talking about? Oh, but you're right

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You're you're totally right

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But he I think has a leg to stand on in terms of how much it's been amplified after Waco

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after Waco and Ruby Ridge there was a

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An insane amplification of it. I mean, but but what are we talking like fucking go back to the goddamn?

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90s with super predators go back to the 80s with the crack cocaine

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Epidemic go back to the 70s with all of this. This all comes back to race, right?

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And it's always a story they're telling. Yeah, that's true. You're right

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Again, they especially that fucking Sykes pile of garbage. Mm-hmm who can go fuck himself right off most

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I already I already I can read that dude's fucking backstory and I fuck that guy

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So Alex also before this interview is saying that they gave me villain lighting and what-have-you

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Yeah, and I just like to point out that this guy has the exact same lighting. Okay, it's just well

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He's also a villain. It's just it just so happens that Alex is way more jowly

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And there's a lot more more shadows

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Give me villain lighting think it made me look like I had another chin

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No, but see and this is this is what I was worried about with this interview

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Yeah, is that it is a it is an excuse to whitewash

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What look at how bad this guy is like Megyn Kelly that whole that whole like he's a spouse that same birther idea

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Megyn Kelly when she was on Fox News did not do everything possible to fight against the birther thing

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Not at all a few years ago

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She changed her tune on that but when the birther shit was going on and she was on Fox News

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She was definitely feeding into that same bullshit. I don't know for a fact that she ever supported it explicitly

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You're not responsible for everything that's done on the same TV network you're on no, but I also I

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Mean there you're totally right. There's way more she could have done to push back

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Well, but the thing is that it wasn't she was part of an institution that fed that well

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she was but the my point is that she was doing that same shit of

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People are saying Obama was not born here, right?

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Like she was amplifying that narrative in the same way. She wasn't explicitly saying it to be fair

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She just did exactly, you know, she is still saying yeah, at least she says it was fake or it's false

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Yeah, but it's at the same time in this report. She's saying people are saying it. Yeah Trump and Alex Jones

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Exactly alert now and and it's it's another excuse to pretend that this is new

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To pretend that this this lunatic is the one like I am absolved of all of my conservative propaganda

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Yeah, because this guy is more so yeah

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like that's that's what I'm hearing so far with this interview and all of the all of the

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Criticism is going to come out and be like you shouldn't give this guy a voice and the criticism should be you shouldn't have a voice

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Somewhat it should be taken away. I think that you should give him a voice in as much as like

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Like we said on the pre-interview thing the episode that we did

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Play that yeah play that

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Screaming about Muslims play that anti-semitic caricature. He does right play that stuff

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But they won't do any of that right because again

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That's that's not the thing that they want to deal with play him rambling about I mean hey get this

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That thing about chimeras that was in the trailer isn't in the interview. Really? Yeah, that's not even in the interview

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Fuck you. So all of Alex is like pre-loaded work about chimeras and shit like to defend trying to explain it. Yeah

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Yeah, god damn it, but

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That's just a teaser. Yeah. Yeah, which does mean that there is more stuff in there

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Of course, but I want those tapes, right?

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NBC NBC has something that is

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Really really good on Alex Jordan, you know what I just realized what we got to do a national treasure

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So you're saying we got to break into the White House, yeah, okay, we got to break it down busy

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I'm Nicolas Cage. You're the other guy. What the fuck? We need a hot chick

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Can I be the hot chick Megyn Kelly can be the hot chick. All right, we can go in

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I don't like that characterization, but fine. Hey, she's Diane Krueger, right? We go in we trick her

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We somehow replace the footage with another

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But first I have to become a president. I'm also seeing a 16 millimeter can is the footage. Oh, yeah

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I

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Think that's what we have to do in order to get to the truth, right? There's something there's something

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Otherwise if all of it is just this Alex wouldn't have been worried about that at all

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Of course not all that's and then seeing him celebrate is very much like we won we beat him

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Thank God they edited it all and we can we can deal with all of it

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Yeah, and I mean all TV shows edit stuff. That's not

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Unreasonable, but the points that they end up making and the angle of attack of the piece

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And I don't mean attack in terms of like it's an attack. I mean the angle angle they take your strategy

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I'm the same way that when I write a joke

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I'm taking an angle on an idea not not trying to fight it the the approach they take is

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intrinsically flawed and speaks to either an unwillingness or an inability to understand the psychology of

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How to counter propaganda and how to counter Alex specifically right, but they do get more into Sandy Hook

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I buried my son. I held my son with a bullet hole through his head

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Neil Hestland's son Jesse just six years old was murdered along with 19 of his classmates and six adults on

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December 14th 2012 in Newtown, Connecticut. I dropped him off in 904. That's when we dropped him off at school

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with his book bag

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Hours later I was

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Picking him up in a body bag

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Alex Jones repeatedly claimed that the shooting never happened here

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He is on infowars in December 2014

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But it took me about a year with Sandy Hook to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing's fake

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You said the whole thing is a giant hoax. How do you deal with the total hoax?

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It took me about a year with Sandy Hook to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing was fake

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I did deep research and my gosh, it just pretty much didn't happen

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At that point and I do think there's some cover-up and some manipulation that is pretty much what I believe but then I was also

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Going in devil's advocate, but then we know there's mass shootings and these things happen. So again, you're trying to have it always

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Right. No, I'm not if you wrongly went out there and said it was a hoax. That's wrong

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But what I already answered your question was you didn't listeners and and other people are covering this

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I didn't create that story Alex the parents

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one after the other

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Devastated the dead bodies that the coroner autopsy and they blocked all that and they won't release any of it

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That's unprecedented. All of the parents decided to come out and and lie about their dead children. I didn't say that

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What happened to the children? I will sit there on the air and look at every position and play devil's advocate

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Was that devil's advocate it the whole thing is a giant hoax the whole thing was fake

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Now there's a bit of a pause here right and this is when you lay the haymaker

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Yeah, because Alex is really scrambling. Of course. You can see the calculations going on in his head, right?

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He's sitting there and he's like

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What do I what's my what's my spin on this?

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I already just said that that was basically what I believed

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But I'm trying to obfuscate and say that I play devil's advocate about stuff

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And so the direct question you saying it's fake. Is that you playing devil's advocate now?

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Keep in mind you've already said in this interview that that's basically what I believed and you can see him like

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Fuck, how do I get out of this? How do I get out of this and

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his response is is weak weak as fuck and I

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Don't know. I'm not saying that Megyn Kelly didn't do something

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I think right now just the playing of that clip, which is what we didn't think she was going to do

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But she didn't play it for him. Oh, she didn't play it for him. No, that was just in the broadcast

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I still she read the quote to him right which is less impactful to him like having to see himself say those things

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Right, but still good. It was it is still good

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It's not the same clip that we use because the one we use is a little bit more like really explicit

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Yeah, but it is the same sentiment. Yeah, and it even is it took me a year to come to grips with

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Yeah, that was that one is good. So that the point is he's realizing I'm caught kind of in a trap here

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I caught in a lie. Yeah, like a just a direct lie and

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You know, maybe maybe Megyn had a good rebuttal to this

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But his answer is just like you shouldn't let him do this on television. Yes, because I remember in

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Even that day a little back from memory then saying but then some of it looks like it's real

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But then what do you do when they've got the kids going in circles in and out of the building with their hands up?

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I've watched the footage and it looks like a drill when you say

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Parents faked their children's death people get very angry

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Yeah, well, let's all I know but they don't get angry about the half-million dead Iraqis from the sanctions or they don't get angry

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about all the

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No, no, it's not a dodge

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The never covers all the evil wars. It's promoted all that doesn't excuse what you did and said about new town

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Here's the difference. Here's the difference. I

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Looked at all the angles of new town and I made my statements long before the media even picked up on it

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He's in our interview. We asked Jones numerous times what he now believes and he never completely disavowed his previous statements

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I tend to believe that children probably did die there

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But then you look at all the other evidence on the other side. I can see how other people believe that nobody died

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There of course, there is no evidence on the other side and that's fair

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But you're doing that in voiceover exactly at the same time

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I do empathize with her because an interview with Alex would be exhausting and

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There is pretty good indications there that she was trying to get to the point and he is just dancing around

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Yeah, so from exactly the thing is with that kind of an interview is how do you how do you?

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Force him into a corner. Well, she kind of did there, but she also let him get out of the corner exactly

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It's very it's very difficult

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And I think that the approach that she thought would work is appealing to human decency and which is insane as we've already discussed

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That's not gonna be that's not gonna be a good approach, right?

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Well, and and that's that's again like he lives inside of a world that they can't conceive of. Mm-hmm

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He is a complete psychopath

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So he doesn't he doesn't he hangs out with Mike Cernovich. Yeah

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He thinks he's cool. Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't care if you take a human decency track towards him

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He's just going to go back to and it's not like his response to it

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isn't

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Isn't her it's it's not terrible like this is a

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relatively small-scale event like just the just the

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Sandy Hook. Yeah

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The response to that is well, there are half a million dead Iraqis. Okay, right. So so his response is

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Like mathematically, I'm not that bad

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Like that's his response. Well compared to someone who denies the death of those half a million Iraqis, right?

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But there's somebody who justifies the war in Iraq on a lie, right?

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But he's not even talking about the war in Iraq. He was talking about sanctions. I I absolutely agree with you

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But I'm just I'm just saying that his argument is math

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But bullshit because in order to make an analog that works there

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You'd have to have a conspiracy theorist who number one denies the sanctions about Iraq and number two

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Denies that the half million people who died are real then I could say I'm better than that guy. That's true

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He can't say like no one's accusing him of killing kids at Sandy Hook, right?

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So when he says that no one's mad about the half million dead Iraqis people are people are mad about that

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People are happy about that. You're pitching yourself in the wrong part of the equation. I

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Yeah, I agree with you. It's nonsense. I agree with you. So I retract my earlier statement that it wasn't terrible

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It says it was terrible. It's but it doesn't it does sound okay at first glance. Yeah, so the next approach

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He sort of but it's it's that same moving the goalposts though. Yeah, it's though. What about this? It's what he does

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He's slippery

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Yeah

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So the next approach he tries to get into for the piece is to discuss sort of like the consequences

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And make real the consequences of Sandy Hook denial after President Trump took office the Newtown Board of Education wrote to him

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imploring the president to try to stop Jones and other hoaxers like him

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Saying Jones continues to spread hate and lies towards our town

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Almost four months later according to the board chairman. The president has yet to respond

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The lies about Sandy Hook have had real-world consequences

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Just this month a Florida woman was sentenced to five months in prison for sending death threats to a Sandy Hook parent

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Her defense attorney says she was primarily motivated by info wars

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Other victims family members have been harassed or threatened to the family say that Jones's words have caused

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Lasting pain and they fear the harassment will continue, you know

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It's disrespectful to me or in fact

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I did lose my son and in the 26 other families lost somebody and I take that very personal

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You know, this piece is gonna air on Father's Day, correct. What is your message to him?

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I think he's blessed to have have his children

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to spend the day with

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speak to

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I don't have that and that's heartbreaking Wow, that's very heartbreaking and decent like journalism

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Yeah, but in terms of Alex

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It's really easy to just deny that too. Yeah, and the people who follow him and our Sandy Hook deniers

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That's not gonna make a dent in them cuz they're he's an actor. Yeah, he's on the fake news

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This is fake news. He's an actor

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They're trying to they're trying to humanize this fake event that they pulled with a bunch of actors

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And why should I care about this guy lying on Megyn Kelly's show right which is unfortunate because if you got that's just brutal

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Listen to because if you live in the real world, it is brutal. It's fucking god damn it. Mm-hmm

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Mm-hmm how I mean, I guess if you want to call him an actor, but that's fucking

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That's saying that he's let's that's like that's so cynical. How can you listen to that and not feel anything?

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I don't know. I don't know like that's fucking heartbreaking. Yep

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Mm-hmm, and even the response

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Being not fuck you the response being you should be glad that you have your kids right because I don't

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and

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And that's very human. That's such an empathetic response to it's like he's it's the response of someone who went through a trauma

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And then dealt with it. Yeah, and now unfortunately is on the other side of it. Yeah

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Unfortunately is on the other side of it. He's well, it's good that he's on the other side of the I mean

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Unfortunate that it there has to be another side to begin. Yeah, that's that's certainly true

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So but I I think if we can take a step back and not to not dehumanize but take a little bit of the emotional

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piece out of it

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I think that the it's it's again

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It's a good approach and I see the perspective that she's trying to build

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She's built at the beginning this connection with Donald Trump. She's connected a

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bit of the

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Like you reported on Manchester and you had no information about it

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There was that sort of bedrock and now she's gotten to Sandy Hook

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She's caught him a little bit in a you aren't really being clear about what you were reporting

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And she's connected that to Trump himself. Yes, they sent Trump a letter saying hey

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You have the power to help us out here. Yeah, and Trump has done fuck all

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Yeah, he's done nothing or not even to make a statement not even responded

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um, and and the consequences here will be the next through line and I think I

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Think on one level it is a good approach. Yeah, but only to rational viewers, right?

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Rational viewers will see like oh shit

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These are the consequences right of his his actions and his lies that he puts out that these families are being

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Revictimized and re-traumatized by over and over strangers. Yeah who publish their phone numbers and email addresses online

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Yeah, they docks these fucking families and so she she uses that and she transitions into other

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conspiracies and other

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Instances of Alex's nonsense the consequences of Jones's actions are not limited to Sandy Hook pizza gate as it's called

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Is a rabbit hole that is horrifying to go down now in 2016 Jones promoted a conspiracy theory known as pizza gate

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info wars claimed a child sex ring was being run by Democrats out of a number of businesses and

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specifically pointed to a Washington DC pizzeria

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You got to go to info wars calm and actually see the photos and videos inside these places

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you Jones encouraged his listeners to investigate the case themselves and

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One did bringing a semi-automatic rifle to the shop and firing several rounds

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No one was hurt and the shooter was arrested. The pizza shop owner wrote a letter asking Jones to apologize

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Facing the possibility of a lawsuit. He did we regret any negative impact our commentaries may have had on mr

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Alafana's comic ping-pong or its employees. So that's good. That's good. She's not asking him about it though

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She you know, there's no interview chunk about about it, right? Which I don't know maybe isn't she just she just

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Reports that and then they never talked to him about it. No, and that might be because he wouldn't answer questions

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It might be because there's legal ramifications or something like that, right?

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There might be a thing where he doesn't want to get re sued

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Whatever, right? So I mean cuz double jeopardy is only in criminal trials. Mm-hmm not in civil trials

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I kind of get I kind of get it and it is fair

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It's it's okay for the news piece to like you've established with Sandy Hook these consequences

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You're linking a direct consequence the guy showing up with a gun to Alex, which is fair, right?

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That is what the gunman said and then he had him having to apologize, right?

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Which if you are a if you're watching that, uh-huh, then you draw the correct

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conclusion yeah of

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This guy is doing a lot of damage. Yeah, he's not just a conspiracy theorist

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He's not just a liar when you get into the real world. This guy is a threat

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So he's a real threat to real people. Well, he is in as much as

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You know unstable people who listen to him are right? That's the real threat. Yeah real threat is that he ruins people's lives. Yeah

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So she takes that and that's good and she links it to another instance another apology came just this spring

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Chobani yogurt sued Jones after Infowars fans the lie that Chobani employees

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Committed a sexual assault in Idaho on behalf of Infowars

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I regret that we mischaracterized Chobani you misstated facts about Chobani and its owner, which you could

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Call check out the facts you never you liar apologize

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Hold on. I want to pause it. Yeah. Sorry. Uh, you're right

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He was lying, but what Megan said there was really good

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She's like you could have just had a reporter look into this and then you wouldn't have had to apologize

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Yeah, you could have had anyone do journalistic work. You would have found out that this isn't true, right?

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And then you would be fine. Why what why didn't you do that? Okay, so that's a good question

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This is my statement on that

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We know that that was basically a PR event and and what happens is you've got a year of reporting

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On the reported sexual assault all of which has nothing to do with Chobani. Yeah, I know you're not gonna

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Let me get it out. I'm gonna let you get it

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I just want to make sure the record straight cuz I don't want to smear the man

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You are the one who said that you were wrong about Chobani. You said that

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well, that's because they chose to

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Sue go after me. And so I simply

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Pointed out that we were reporting other people's reports that were not entirely accurate for that. We were sorry because it was true

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You don't sound very sorry

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I'm a psychopath the media said stuff about the settlement. That wasn't true, but

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You said things about Chobani and its owner that were not true are you sorry

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I'm gonna tell you again

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There was the media really was upset that they said that there was a host not the media what they did you and so what?

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They are you sorry what they did. So what did what the media did and we know it was the media

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And we have the P eyes and the law firms and we're working on it right now

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Let's just say Chobani was real happy to get out of that lawsuit

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But the lawsuit makes clear info wars was the only media outlet to report the lie

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That forced Jones to apologize and with that apology Chobani considers the matter closed. This is such bullshit

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Nonsense from Alex the idea that Chobani is glad to be out of the lawsuit. Yeah, they started the lawsuit

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Yeah, they got what they wanted out of it. They wanted an apology

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So in that way, they are glad to be out of the lawsuit. Sure

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Yeah, because that means that they don't have to spend money on

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lawyers and all of that shit or

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Not money just time energy all of that shit and just to break it down

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I mean we went over it in the April 25th episode of the show where we dealt with the Chobani lawsuit

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The issue is that there were lies that were being reported on like Breitbart and world news world net daily, right?

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and they were

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Really salacious scandalous stories about these child

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Sexual assaults child-on-child right sexual assaults. They weren't reporting

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What Alex was reporting and what David Knight was reporting that was straight up?

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They these immigrant rapists are being imported by Chobani, right?

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That's why Alex got in trouble

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Whatever bright hurt was recording a reporting whatever all these other places were reporting was wrong. It was a lie. It was

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scandalous salacious

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But it didn't say Chobani forced these children into rape. It didn't say that Hamdi Ulukaya

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Specifically did those things. Yeah, that's why he was in their crosshairs because he fucking lied. Yeah, and

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Megan Kelly would love for it to just be he didn't do the journalistic work. Yeah, we're gonna do the journalistic work

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He's never done journalistic work. That's not even in the conversation. Yeah, why?

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That's a good point. You could have sent a reporter. Listen, Megan. I've never sent a reporter goddamn anywhere Megan

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What's a reporter? Yeah

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Which actually weaves nicely into this next clip where Megan brings up the question

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Do you think you're a journalist who which is a fair question to ask about the answer is 100% Yes

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Do you think of yourself as a journalist? I?

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have some journalists that work for me and I do journalistic work and I've broken a lot of big stories and I understand the

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Basics of it. I need to find the Lion of London thing in the Info Wars studio. There's no script instead

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It's a freewheeling spin through piles of articles straight off the internet that is 95%

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What we cover is looking at a news article and then you know discussing it

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Well, you know if you just look at an article and discuss it

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It's garbage in garbage out right if you haven't ascertained the veracity of that article and it's all BS

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And he's been two hours talking about it. Then you put out a bunch of misinformation

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I'm just trying to figure out what the vetting process we all get Hillary was 15 points ahead

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Okay, and I mean we all we all get mainstream media what has got a big problem. Well, you just let that go

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Yes, you just let that she just let that go. Yeah, that was it. Mm-hmm

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Well, we all get that Hillary was 15 points ahead is a legitimate answer to the question

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She just had well and Alex's entire narrative is like whenever someone attacks his credibility or whatever

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He's like the mainstream media is always wrong

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Yeah

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Hillary's poll numbers blue blue blue and to allow him

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Unquestioned to just repeat that is such a bad follow-up to a great point that she made

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It was really good garbage in garbage out such a good point perfect. If you don't have any idea if this is a legit article

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Discussing it for two hours is nothing right and if your response to that is well

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We all know Hillary was 15 points ahead

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Is there after this clip? Is there like any follow-up question to that? No, no, not at all

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Well, not in the maybe in the unedited that's possible. But then again in the unedited he's like I'm lying about everything

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You can't catch me

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I

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Mean, I think if I if I were to go into the heads of Megan Kelly and her producers

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I would guess that what they thought is that that looks so silly on its face

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But it's fine to leave in as a crazy answer, right?

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But what they don't recognize is there's at least 30% of the population that kind of do believe that of course

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That the mainstream media was intentionally lying about this right as opposed to and not just that but that Megan Kelly has betrayed them

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Yeah, so she's already off the books. Anyway, she's not realizing that that actually is kind of

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like a

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Good punch back right for to some people right his mouth now

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We're coming to the end here. There's one more clip

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And we get a little guest appearance by number one ding-dong Owen Schroyer. Oh

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God, damn it. How did they get him roped into this? He says something pretty bad

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And it I mean if if I were making this piece

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I would say I would take that clip and run the fuck with it. Oh, yeah, because it's like oh you you are propagandist

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Okay, he essentially just like lets out that we're a wing of the Trump campaign

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Okay, which I really think is a large piece of what this

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Profile is about but just without spelling it out without being like you guys are fucking shills

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Also in the unedited interview Megan kind of gives him an elbow and is like, how's Rob do his wife? She's still she's still sore

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You guys like the super male vitality now Owen. You're you're great. I really loved your racist Muslim impression the other day

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It's great journalism

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It's nonsense. We all know Hillary's 15 points ahead. Yeah

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The infowars staffers we met have free reign to cover whatever they like with virtually no oversight

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Like journal we spoke with some of Jones's employees including Owen Schroyer

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How do you on a day-to-day basis figure out what you're gonna do? I

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Wake up, I look at the news

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Dark, I rarely get directives from Alex or my boss. They pretty much just leave it up to me

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Is that what you consider yourself to be a journalist? You know, I don't like calling it that I just I'm just a human

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I'm just a human that's looking for truth. So I'm trying to reach out and be what the people want

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When you say people who do you mean the deplorables the flyover country the forgotten American?

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We're going to get to work immediately for the American people with the election of Donald Trump

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Alex Jones has plans to expand infowars more studios more shows more employees

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More influence. I

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Said the 91 I said the war has just begun

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So this is a we just got a beachhead. And so that's just the start of the war for me

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And Alex Jones goes into battle with a powerful ally just two weeks ago the Trump Pence campaign emailed this message to supporters

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Notice at the bottom. It's a link

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to infowars

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So that's the end of the the piece and quite frankly that is the equivalent of a puff piece

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That's the end of that piece. It's the end of it. That's the 17 minutes for real. Yep. That is all

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Implication that is all that is all like you guys choose

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we're we're giving you like the the if you're rational you look at that and you see that last that last thing that she said is

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Oh, that means Alex is dangerous the beginning that means Alex is dangerous all of that stuff

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all of that stuff is built around the idea of giving you the impression of something and at no point in time making a

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Goddamn point. Nope. That was it. Yep. That was the whole fucking thing

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I'm even angrier than I thought I was going to be. Yeah, you know why cuz there's those glimmers

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There's those couple of moments. Yeah that are like Alex is trapped

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Oh, this is gonna be great

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And then they never they never dropped the hammer which means that there's something in the tapes. That is real

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Yeah, something there that they and it's like I beg you NBC and Megyn Kelly, right? Give me the tapes. Oh

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Let me watch the tapes. I will find what Alex is afraid of right? I guarantee I can find it. I know his head

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Unfortunately

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So I mean I am your savant NBC this is as disappointing as we kind of expected it to be

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It's too bad that I'm gonna have to be up all night editing this. Yeah, I

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actually kind of expected it to go the other direction when I I

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Expected it to be something where people

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Before the interview there's this like you shouldn't air this interview and

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They were clearly committed to airing it which to me suggested that they thought that they had something where?

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They would not only justify airing the interview

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But then they would get praised afterwards for doing such a great job taking down this

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Propagandist and this it like you said for Alex that is a puff piece

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You would think for you know, and and to them they think that's really damning like they think they did it

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Yeah, I think they did a good job on that

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They think that they're covering this in a way that no one else is and maybe that's true because a lot of people aren't covering

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him right and and the people who are

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Aren't doing a great job of it. I would agree with that again who gives a fuck about the shift shit

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He was drunk and he was talking about the five ways to learn. Yeah, like way more interesting interview

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Yeah, exactly. There's all kinds of stuff that you could get into and not just that but and that's that that's I think that's the

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thing that really pisses me off about that is because the real trick to

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getting Alex into a corner is

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Talking about what he wants to talk about. Yeah, cuz he will fucking go on and he will damn himself

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totally if you just got into

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Like globalists if you could well not just globalist do you get into get him to Muslims?

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So like that first thing on the Manchester bombing just go into not

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What you said about the victims, but what do you believe about who did it?

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Yeah, do you think that's all of Islam and he'd be like well

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Let me tell you about all of Islam and he would go bananas on you and that's all you would need to show

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Like all the stuff that they did was like was the same thing that people on Twitter are doing the same thing that media matters

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Is doing which is going like hey, you need to talk about this

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And if you just let Alex talk he is going to destroy himself as we sort of documented in part one of this

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Yeah, exactly

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Alex's worst enemy is not you not what you think about Sandy Hook not

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Anything like that Alex's worst enemy is himself if they'd shown an interview Alex did with him. It would be perfect

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Yeah, I think that that's why we kind of thought that it would be worse than it was too

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Or at least I did is because I know that he has very little self-control. Yeah when he's baited and

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It would be pretty easy to bait him. Absolutely. I agree. I think you should bring up Muslims

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I think you should bring up globalists and try and just be like if you ask him direct questions about his globalist ideology

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He wouldn't be able to answer it. Probably now. He would just be like, well, there's a satanic force. That's on it

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Wait, hold on. Let me tell me about that. Right? What do you exactly exactly and then please go more he'd go off

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Yeah, and you'd get to a point where you'd get to the end of the road. It would just be

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It would just be vapor there. There'd be nothing to stand on it be like, oh

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You don't actually have a real concrete position here. Well, I mean you'd start screaming about like Rothschild's and

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Nonsense and then if you do your research you can be like, well, I mean the Rothschild's that's I mean, it's not real

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I it's not a real thing anymore. I don't want to give us any kind of credit

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That we don't necessarily deserve but how do you do that interview you?

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Give him rope you let him talk about his globalist ideology

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You let him talk about how he feels about Muslims you tell you let him talk you let him talk about masculinity

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yeah, and then all you do is instead of your voiceover being like, here's this you just

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Point out it's not true. Sure. Like that's that's basically what we do. We we turn him into a joke

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We let him talk. Mm-hmm. If you let him talk he's done. Yeah, that's and that's what we hope for

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I mean that's I and I again I think that's a big fear that he has as people will actually start listening

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Yeah big and to some extent it's the same fear

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I have I'm kind of scared of like info warriors starting to listen to our show because I don't want to deal with it

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Right. I don't want to deal with them yelling at me about

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Bullshit that I can disprove but I don't want to take up the time, right?

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I'm sure he has the same fear

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But in reverse they're like people will direct questioning about these things that he's vaguely talked about for years and years

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Would be disastrous for him. Yeah, I

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just don't

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I'm disappointed because of

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Opportunity lost I think now Alex is never gonna do this again

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I think you're absolutely right in that I and you know what?

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He might do it again because because what he got was exactly what he wanted

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Yeah, but I based on all of the last week's lead-up. He was so scared like right

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I don't think he put himself through that week again

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That's possible. And if he did, I mean if he ever learns any lessons, it would be

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Alright, I'm going to be much more careful about what I say

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Yeah, or whatever because whatever fear was driving him to do that preemptive damage control. He can't do that

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He can't be careful about what he's going to say. It's true. Like she

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All all she did was put him into the public public consciousness for a day

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Mm-hmm, and that's it. Yeah, there's nothing there

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Yeah, and I mean the the end result of this is Alex Jones has propaganda to play with now

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I mean I can spin this pretty well easily and

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And there are I mean the fear that people had about I mean the complaints that people were making before

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That you're giving him a platform. You absolutely are. I think I think they're 100% justified now

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She makes a good she makes good points about the consequences of his rhetoric, but it's not that's not enough

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That's not enough to necessarily make the dent that you need to make to justify this piece

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Yeah, no you you you have platformed him. You've made him mainstream and you've allowed him to lie on television. Yep, and

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That sucks and all you've done is make him sexier to somewhat because look at that

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Look at the powerful man. Look at this powerful man. He's connected to Trump

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He's got millions of listeners millions of dollars. He's super rich

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She's self-made exactly all of this stuff is a lot of it, but it builds into his own ethos exactly and

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Whereas we hoped that you could be able to pierce facade. All it's done is reinforce it. Yep. God fucking damn it

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Yeah, what a bummer. That is such a pathetic excuse for now. I want Megyn Kelly's career over sure now

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We're on I'm on Alex's side now now Alex release the tape. Yeah, exactly release those tapes, bitch

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Yeah, God those tapes would be the most damning thing. I have to be so

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This interview coming on the heels of us possibly losing an episode

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Makes me wish I was dead. Yeah, but one person who's not dead who's not dead. There's one guy

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This guy named JP. He's an old friend of mine of JR

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I am Andy in, Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding

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I am Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you