Transcript/776: February 11, 2023

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Matt Baker (00:00:30.000)

Dan and Jordan

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knowledge fight need money Andy and Pam Sandy you're shopping Andy and Cam handy in Kansas. Bray Andy in Kansas, you're on the airplane for huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge by now, knowledge fight.com I love you.

Dan (00:00:59.000)

Everybody would like knowledge. But I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh.

Jordan (00:01:08.000)

Oh, I just noticed that. I think I might have a bug bite that I didn't notice it.

Dan (00:01:12.000)

freaking me out.

Jordan (00:01:13.000)

No, no. I just noticed it because I was bringing it up to look at it. I was like,

Dan (00:01:17.000)

ah, would have looked just like you checking your watch.

Jordan (00:01:20.000)

I've never worn a watch. Yeah. I'm Jordan. Hey. It's good. All right, dad. Sure, Dan. Yeah. Quick question for you, buddy. Okay, I'm listening. What's your bright spot?

Dan (00:01:33.000)

Why don't you go first?

Jordan (00:01:34.000)

My bright spot. Obviously Dan is the Super Bowl. Hey, yeah, I mean, we're recording concurrently with it. No, obviously it's not my bright spot.

Dan (00:01:43.000)

Do you know the Super Bowl is a sublimation of masculinity. I've heard that it is just the globalists trying to get you to take out your warfare

Jordan (00:01:52.000)

instincts. That the two of us are not watching it suggest our warfare instincts are terrible. Yeah, they're not good. Yeah, Oracle's are great or too good. Yeah, perhaps too good. No, my bright spot is. It's Valentine's Day and I hate Valentine's Day. But I did get my wife this beautiful Boo Boo. Boo que. No, none of this roses bullshit is so many different urban or not urban flower. Right? Well, the name of the place is urban flowers, which is why I said the word. No, don't try and grow these flowers in the it's a bit but that's the point. It is a bunch of countries virus for wildflowers and all of that stuff. And so it went very

Dan (00:02:30.000)

well. And it was great. It's a complete misnomer. Then these are rural flower who does feel

Jordan (00:02:34.000)

like that? I think it's just that they're inside the city and they didn't know what to what else to say love

Dan (00:02:39.000)

is dead. That's true. I've been lied to buy flowers.

Jordan (00:02:46.000)

No, but yeah, they're beautiful. And she loved them. So it went

Dan (00:02:50.000)

well. All right. Yeah. Congratulations. Thanks,

Jordan (00:02:52.000)

buddy. You nailed Valentine's what I was, it's not Valentine's Day. Well believe in it. Oh, happened last week. So

Dan (00:02:57.000)

you nailed a time where you gave your flowers. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you very much. You pass the test. Ah,

Jordan (00:03:05.000)

what's your brightspot?

Dan (00:03:06.000)

Oh, let's see.

Jordan (00:03:06.000)

Did you forget? No,

Dan (00:03:08.000)

I was waiting for you to ask me.

Jordan (00:03:10.000)

I was I was rescued. Okay. Um,

Dan (00:03:12.000)

I started playing Miles Morales, Spider Man, Miles Morales. And it's a lot of fun. Yeah, like swinging around New York. satisfying. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's just open world enough. And at the same time, it's kind of bizarre to like, if you play Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild, you play that. And it's like high rule. I've never been to high rule. That's not a real place. That's not a real New York. I've been to New York. real place. Yeah. There's something kind of fun about like it being a recreation of a real place that you can wander around. I know. It's not accurate or anything. Well, I

Jordan (00:03:49.000)

mean, that's the question. Wouldn't it be amazing if you could like swing by one of the venues you did? You?

Dan (00:03:55.000)

I don't know. Because I think mostly. Okay, so when I was in New York, I think well, I mean, to be fair, one of the sets I did was in someone's apartment in Hoboken. All right, well. Then the other ones are like Knitting Factory, like in Oakland, gotta be in Queens. I was in Brooklyn and Queens mostly. And this is Manhattan in Harlem. So like, I don't think yeah, you're more of

Jordan (00:04:19.000)

a classic Spider Man guy. Whenever you're doing sets you stick around.

Dan (00:04:24.000)

Does that have to be where my friends had things that could get booked at right? Wait, no, I guess wasn't I think the New York Comedy Club is in Manhattan. I think oh, I don't know. I don't remember neighborhoods and boroughs and stuff. But I did do one of the most disastrous sets I've ever done at the New York Comedy Club. Yeah, I was asked to do a check set, which is

Jordan (00:04:45.000)

Oh, no, check drop set. No, no.

Dan (00:04:51.000)

And I don't know I don't I don't enjoy feeling like people aren't paying attention to me. What they're actually not

Jordan (00:04:59.000)

the check because it's a nightmare when you're headlining, but at least you have like 30 minutes in advance of the checkbook. So you can be charming and people will be like doing the check and paying attention to you. It was you come on during the check your you might as well be done. It

Dan (00:05:12.000)

was so weird to me that that was like an institution like a normal thing because like, they just have someone who goes up and like, do your best to keep people's attention while they're filling out their checks. And then somebody else Exactly, yeah. Not a good time. Not a good time. No. Socially a fine time. But

Jordan (00:05:38.000)

it's a fine experience that you'll have forever that we can laugh about now. All right, show. That's great. And then me

Dan (00:05:43.000)

and Elaine. Michelle got wasted.

Jordan (00:05:45.000)

That sounds right. That's a regular experience. Yeah.

Dan (00:05:50.000)

So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over. Okay. And here's what we're doing. We're talking about something that has nothing to do with Infowars or free speech systems.

Jordan (00:06:01.000)

This is exciting. No, no, we're talking about his Fireside Chat got.

Dan (00:06:06.000)

tricked. We're talking. We're talking. It's not a fireside chat. Okay. It's just another episode of his podcast to share. So this is from February 11. Yeah. So Saturday, it was Saturday show. Okay. Baby, baby, baby. I was just like, I want to keep on this. Yeah, I feel like we're on the ground floor of something.

Jordan (00:06:28.000)

It does feel it does feel different. Yeah, that's for sure. It doesn't, but it does. It does. I mean, it's not know, which is the problem. I

Dan (00:06:37.000)

don't know how to describe it. But like, if I was around when he first launched Infowars, I'd be pretty excited to like, the first episode. Yeah, here we go. Let's follow it as it grows. And as it becomes whatever it becomes totally, we have this opportunity now with AJ live or dumb shit is we can be from day one. Yeah.

Jordan (00:06:56.000)

It'll be a faster chronicle of a man's fall, though. You know, we brought him to the 23 or 40 odd years, and

Dan (00:07:03.000)

we come in with a lot of background. But I did get burned with a recent horse. Did you get burned ever got too excited about the prospect of that being something? And this may happen again. But for now, I'm sticking around with this. And

Jordan (00:07:18.000)

what's it like for him to be able to say whatever he wants?

Dan (00:07:22.000)

Well, it turns out he can't really because he was saying that this is simulcast still on like radio, and some stations that GCN has. He still can't swear you can't say anything you want. Yeah. But like within a month, it's going to be disconnected from those things, which I mean, I think it just means like, I'm losing station. Yeah. I mean, that sounds right. But yeah, so in a month or so he'll be able to say whatever the fuck he wants. But for now, finally won't be a family shutting this guy. But he has a guest on who swears a bit. Oh, that's nice. I was mostly drawn to this because of the guest. Gosh, I will say that, because Alex did have another episode that had Joel Skousen on and I skipped over that. But today, we have the Saturday show featuring a guy with dreadlocks. Spoilers. So we'll get down to business on that. But before we do, let's take a little moment. Say hello to some new walls. Oh, that's great. Yeah. So first, in the grim darkness of the far future. There is only though WikiLeaks thank you so much. You're on our policy walk.

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you. Next, a new metal Naki. Like I don't knock you but new metal. It's a fun yeah, get down. Thank you, Sarah and Nathan for turning me on to the Doughboys. Thank you so much. For now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:08:35.000)

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Dan (00:08:36.000)

I'd like to reiterate that I am available to be on the Yeah. Next. Jake is T bone and Roger Stone in Memphis. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much his

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feet. 10 feet off a bill.

Jordan (00:08:49.000)

Yeah.

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Next Happy New Year. I wish you a prosperous 2018 to you and all your listeners. Thank you so much. You are no policy. Oh,

Alex Jones (00:08:56.000)

I'm a policy. No.

Jordan (00:08:57.000)

You tricked everybody. How dare you and we

Dan (00:09:00.000)

got a couple of technocrats in the mix. So first, yay. And Alex bloke is a fan of Deacon dickhead. I tend to do it in Australian accent. I don't do accents as good as Europe. Yep. Your technocrat mate. And holy crap, Megan, I finally got my call out and that was actually from a real honest to God, flesh and blood. Andrew in Kansas still way. So that is an Andy in Kansas. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

Unknown Speaker (00:09:29.000)

I'm a policy wonk. The amount of intelligent brilliant someone Someone saw tonight sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser.

Unknown Speaker (00:09:44.000)

Little little teeny baby.

Alex Jones (00:09:46.000)

I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes,

Jordan (00:09:50.000)

thank you very much.

Dan (00:09:52.000)

So we start off here, Jordan, on the Saturday show and Alex may be getting somebody in legal trouble immediately. Right.

Alex Jones (00:10:00.000)

Let me just raise this point first though. When you get so close to the news and so close to sources and breaking information, you really almost get to where you take yourself for granted. I know I do that. Well, and we have a lot of sources, obviously inside the proud boys seditious conspiracy trial that's meant to demonize all Americans have free speech. And so I learned withdrawal started a month ago, some pretty shocking information from inside sources all even at that my own text messages should have reached out to Tucker Carlson should have talked about it on air, but I was waiting to get more info. And then earlier this week, and tonight, in fact, one reason I aired a few promos and got out about 20 minutes after the show started was because I was on the sources in DC that are describing expert sources. What the judge was doing when the media and the jury were kicked out. So

Jordan (00:10:49.000)

that was that was a norm obviously,

Dan (00:10:51.000)

that's where my mind goes. Yeah, that's got to be Nord feels like it's not but then again, Joe Biggs is on trial. That's true. Alex could be talking to although I feel like Joe would want to keep his mouth shut. It

Jordan (00:11:03.000)

was either of those two, I would not be talking to each other. And I wouldn't be talking to Alex, I would definitely not be talking to him. I wouldn't

Dan (00:11:09.000)

be talking to me because like the possibility of like bungling something a whole make making things worse with. And it seems like if you're leaking information about a seditious conspiracy trial to Alex Yeah, it makes one wonder How involved is Alex II definitely

Jordan (00:11:25.000)

does. And if you're doing that, you should probably remember that time Donald Trump Jr. was his source and he wasn't supposed to say

Dan (00:11:31.000)

anything about it. I do think that this is something that raises some concerns, because the people who are situated in a position to give Alex insight information about this trial are Biggs and norm. Yeah. And

Jordan (00:11:46.000)

yeah, and I wouldn't, I would imagine norm being like, Don't talk about me on your podcast for a while over six month period for a while. I am in trouble.

Dan (00:11:55.000)

Yeah, but he didn't. He just referenced someone who probably is norm. Yeah. Anyway, here's his insight intel about the proud boys.

Alex Jones (00:12:06.000)

But this will be breaking regardless next week. And you're just getting tomorrow's news today. We know about Ray abs, the other Feds that were they're calling for for tagging the Capitol. But now amongst a bunch of information that's about to come out with documents. And I'm not gonna get the specifics because I don't want to mess up the defense the proud boys. But that screwed up mightily. And they used evidence that they'd plan it just like with the governor Whitmer kidnapping, with a former high level CIA operative, and a female individual, not saying she's a sex operon over swallow as they call them. Let's to give a war game to the proud boys that they never acted on of taking over DC. And it's actually a CIA worgen. So what this is a big big deal. So the

Dan (00:13:05.000)

CIA and a sex operative maybe Alex isn't gonna say, say this person is like swallow. I

Jordan (00:13:12.000)

mean, I thought it was a honeypot. I didn't we all know that it was a honeypot. Yeah, we all know

Dan (00:13:16.000)

that's the term I would have. Yeah, would have come to my mind. Yeah. So yeah, the CIA made a war game. And then they fed it to the proud boys, and they had no intention of ever doing any of the things that they ended up doing. Okay. Again, to all the conversations that they had amongst themselves, not CIA agents, Sure, honey opera operatives, about how they wanted to do this and how they were excited to and Joe Biggs live streaming himself talking about our

Jordan (00:13:44.000)

capital. That was a bad idea, right. In retrospect, yeah. All

Dan (00:13:47.000)

this bullshit. No, that was all the CIA.

Jordan (00:13:49.000)

I mean, I struggle with him bringing up a specific example of the CIA doing this before specifically the Wittmer case, right? Because they were also convicted. Sure. It's like, okay, I understand maybe the CIA dia did it, Alex, but that won't affect the trial,

Dan (00:14:07.000)

but the the, the the the way he discusses the Wittmer situation, the informant involvement is not accurate. exaggerating that mightily. Yes, that's true. And so I guess I mean, we'll see we'll see what happens with this. I expect that nothing will happen with this but maybe normal come on and talk some shit about something that means nothing.

Jordan (00:14:30.000)

I just it I mean, it can't they keep talking about it. Like it's a movie trial where you can suddenly show up and be like, we found this and they go, well, then you're innocent. That's not how it works ever.

Dan (00:14:42.000)

But that's because movies are real life and real life is a movie. The blurring line of reality and fiction. I can't argue with you. So Alex has instincts and he's always right. But he also researches but he kind of doesn't, because his instincts are always right.

Jordan (00:14:58.000)

I kind of shoot from circular Logic a little bit a lot of

Alex Jones (00:15:01.000)

times, but nine times out of 10. I'm right. One smart thing Donald Trump said was the deepest thing he ever learned was to be shallow. That's like a woman's intuition. You study you sounds like a wedding. And then your first approximation is usually dead on right? The best shots I've ever made with a gun, that's why I don't try not to shoot here at 800 1000 yards, I just relax, pull back. This is an analogy of a famous shooting buddy, and fleas trigger. When the deer goes rolling head over heels or the wild hog, or whatever it is, I'm back when I have time to go hunting. And it's the same thing, I don't just go off half cocked. I don't just go off and do infidels deep research, I immerse myself constantly. And then nine times out of 10. When I just shoot from the hip, with what I originally think it is, the first approximation is usually right. And they want us to cut off our instincts cut off our common sense that we know is there. Another analogy is you've ever had somebody physically attack you, if you think about what you're doing, or you try to over become technical, that's when you decide to get somebody off of you. And is I'm gonna stop this person, it just happens right away, because you turn loose your instincts. But you've got to have the baseline of research and info for your synapses to access to make its decision. You don't have the big baseline, the foundation of research info history, I'm using fighting as an analogy. It's a primitive version of that, then you really can't be able to have that instinct and that instant analysis, but also do a lot of deep thinking and a lot of research and a lot of weighing of things politically, culturally. No,

Dan (00:16:38.000)

you don't sound great, Alex,

Jordan (00:16:40.000)

that was the most amount of nothing that I've heard in a while. Yeah, there was

Dan (00:16:45.000)

a minute 40 of him saying sometimes your instincts are great. And in order to sharpen your instincts, you should practice and study. And it's just I mean, the metaphor is so much easier just to be like, yeah, that fight analogy works. You have to train. But then when you're in the moment you go with the flow of what's happening, right. Sure. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Alex doesn't do that. No,

Jordan (00:17:10.000)

he doesn't train doesn't do shit. No, he comes his training. He over becomes trained. Yeah, that's just the case.

Dan (00:17:19.000)

Well, I mean, it's a fun game. I but I also think that I look at this, and I kind of have experienced what he's talking about. The flow state Oh, well, no. Oh, that your instincts are often right. Oh, yeah. Like, because when I started this show, I didn't know a whole lot about Alex. Sure. But I did think he was full of shit. I had a hunch that maybe he sucked.

Jordan (00:17:44.000)

You watch the election night coverage you knew, but even before that,

Dan (00:17:49.000)

but I'm saying before we started the show, right? I'm saying like when I had just gotten this kernel in my head of like, I'm interested in this guy. What is his deal? Yeah, I just know him as like a conspiracy. Guy. Yeah, you were like the rest of us back then. But I had this instinct that like, I think that a lot of the criticisms that people make of him like he's a racist, he's an asshole. I think a lot of that stuff is true. But I didn't have the research background behind it. But then I went through all that process. And it turns out, I could have just listened to by instinct, because they were correct. He is a racist. Ask would you

Jordan (00:18:26.000)

say that? In fact, you have just learned the most important lesson, the deepest lesson is that to you need to be shallow?

Dan (00:18:33.000)

No, because if you just rely on being shallow, never ever, you'll never know if those instinct judgments you make are correct. Yeah. If you just assume they are then yeah, you're right 90% of the time, because you never test that against reality.

Jordan (00:18:50.000)

I don't I reject all of those things, just based on the principle of every time you're like, oh, I shouldn't have second guessed myself, I should have gone with my gut instinct. You remember that far more often than when you don't, and you do something very, very smart. You know, like, I should have gone with my gut instinct, you remember, but then you should also remember the time where you're like, I cannot afford that shirt. That's that my gut instinct is I want that shirt. But you know, like so. So for me, any anything like that? I imagine that it's probably more 5050 At the end of the day, it's probably flip, you know? Yeah. I think people just describe importance to it because it feels important whenever you should have gone with your gut instinct,

Dan (00:19:33.000)

right? Like when you're playing poker or something and you want to make a call and hopefully win like a couple $100 Literally, it will be huge for you. You fold and then you realize I would have won if I just called right yeah, that your instincts are to make a decision that's questionable or dicey. Right, but you should have done it right. Yeah, of course that sticks out in your head. I still remember stuff from like bad pokers from 10 years ago, that beats will get you Yeah, so Alex do didn't sound good in that last clip. It turns out he has laryngitis or something. Sure.

Alex Jones (00:20:05.000)

And again, I apologize I'm coughing some I left my lung cleanse it on my office desk like a fool a fool out of the Walgreens but they just have the regular throat spray that helps a little. I haven't had laryngitis. He went ahead COVID Two years ago, but I have I haven't learned Java since I was a teenager, I think. And I have had laryngitis for about a week. And so I'm constantly battling, not coughing, or you don't want to try to sit so please bear with me. Please bear with me. Or I gotta hit cough up occasionally. It's gonna be all right. I almost canceled tonight's show should have was big. It would have been wise bronchioles. They're getting better. They're better they were two days ago. But mapmaker has such important information to cover. We came here to do it. And I appreciate the crew coming here to do it for Alec shows live.com Please share the URL. Alec shows live.com The site's ready to go. I just got to propagate it with all the first videos that are gonna go on. And so very soon, I said a week not weeks gone by but let's just say another week. Yeah, sure.

Dan (00:21:08.000)

Let's let's just say another week. Sure.

Jordan (00:21:09.000)

Yeah, why not?

Dan (00:21:12.000)

So yeah, I mean, I think if you're somebody whose bread and butter is talking and you have to constantly be fighting, not to cough. Yeah. I mean, you do take the day off from this extraneous show that you don't need to do.

Jordan (00:21:23.000)

I mean, I can't see. And I understand that maybe it doesn't happen. Maybe I'm the crazy one in this situation is different. But if I'm the guy wearing headphones listening to this, I'm just constantly shaking my head like what are you doing? Like, come on you and I both know, this is a bad idea. Why are we still here? So eat some fucking vegetables. But

Dan (00:21:43.000)

Matt Baker's has to come on. He has important things to say Matt Baker. Do you know who Matt Baker no,

Jordan (00:21:48.000)

I don't know. I know one Baker. And that's Tom Baker. And I also know Jack Baker. Those are the only two bakers I know.

Dan (00:21:56.000)

What a fool you don't know. Matt Baker.

Jordan (00:21:58.000)

Why would I know who

Dan (00:21:59.000)

that Baker he's one of the most important people in the world. So home to people who like blown glass in San Diego.

Jordan (00:22:08.000)

I actually think he sells pipes. Honest. Oh, okay. Honestly, he's

Dan (00:22:13.000)

got dreadlocks.

Jordan (00:22:14.000)

I fucking love blown glass.

Dan (00:22:16.000)

Yeah, go get a bomb. So anyway, man, Baker is on.

Matt Baker (00:22:22.000)

I got a lot going on here. First of all, I can never say no to Alex Jones. And I swear every time he gets me on, he has me like, you're gonna do this, right? And I'm like, Yes, sir. I'll do whatever you say. And I'm a Wednesday super middle Super Bowl. That's fine. I ended up talking with some local people that I do some protests with the back in the day during lock downs. And they're continuing to do a lot of protests with the drag queen storytimes. Some other things. There's about three different factions that I'm working with. So I talked to them about when the best time that they wanted to do it was and it's a little bit out, but it's good, because we're gonna have time to get it together. So that new date, and we're sticking to this. You put me on the spot there was is Wednesday, May 22. Okay, it's between 11 and two o'clock. All right. And Audra Morgan is the one that's helping put that together. She is

Alex Jones (00:23:14.000)

local on the way glad you changed it. I just said how about 3pm Sunday, not thinking about the Super Bowl.

Matt Baker (00:23:20.000)

Like I said, like, I just can't say no to you, bro.

Dan (00:23:21.000)

Haha. So he they have a protest at Pfizer. They're discussing?

Jordan (00:23:26.000)

Sure. I mean, that's I protest Pfizer.

Dan (00:23:29.000)

So not for the same reasons. No. Matt Baker is Alex's guest on this episode and like a fool you don't even know that name is but if you're out there listening and you don't know who he is. I don't blame you. I'm just shitting on Jordan. He's the white dude with dreadlocks. You wrote that in the script. Now that was written. Okay.

Jordan (00:23:46.000)

I swear to God, I thought you were reading that

Dan (00:23:52.000)

that's how good I am.

Jordan (00:23:54.000)

You made it you never know what I've written down and I feel that you've made him feel good. I get you.

Dan (00:23:59.000)

So he's the white dude with dreadlocks who went viral a year or so ago for yelling about COVID policies at a board of supervisors meeting in San Diego. I want you to have a taste. Okay, fella. Okay, so I'm gonna play that speech that he gave in full Okay, and he gives a speech. I think you're gonna love it. All right.

Jordan (00:24:26.000)

seems popular so far.

Dan (00:24:28.000)

Real quick. He's whistling. He's

Jordan (00:24:32.000)

like, I was wondering if that was him. Or if that was the Wind and the Willows, right.

Dan (00:24:36.000)

I just need to set that stage

Jordan (00:24:49.000)

wind, that's all it was the wind.

Matt Baker (00:24:52.000)

That's the wind of history. That's the wind blowing through your ancestors bones begging you to do Do the right thing

Jordan (00:25:13.000)

sir, please state your name

Matt Baker (00:25:14.000)

flowing through the black people through the white people through the Chinese people who do the Mexican Americans to the people that built this building with their bare hands to raise up this nation. They are begging you and they are pouring through your veins and they should be putting a tangle off the spine of your back. Okay, maybe you don't say your thing. You're about to open a pit of hell not get a vaccine passport put on us. You know as the population who's in control, you know that the people are the politicians. Once you get a power you will never relinquish it to think that the four feet of marble that holds you up high in this chamber will help you from the fate of your practice

Jordan (00:26:19.000)

vaccines already aren't you can't go to school. You cannot go to school. Sir, please state your name for the record brought to you brought me a copy burka?

Jordan (00:26:55.000)

Wait, do you care about that?

Steve Quayle (00:27:06.000)

And the penalty for violating violating the word. Please take a seat. Please take a seat.

Jordan (00:27:28.000)

Hell of a performance.

Dan (00:27:30.000)

The The reason there's applause there is because it's like the meeting is full of like a bunch of Yeah, yeah, no, no. Obviously, yeah, you can easily see the Alex Jones impression that Matt's doing. There are phrases that he's just lifting whole cloth and the entire thing is really just an exercise in performative passion. Something that Alex's brand is reliant on. If you watch Matt, you can see the gears turning and the switch being flipped on. Maybe it's something that's just been built up in me from watching 1000s of open mic sets in my life. But the performance aspects of this are painfully transparent. At the beginning, when he's being all dramatic, and then the board asks him to identify himself. He works his name into the dramatic shit about the wind because the guy told him to identify himself. Yep, it's great. Yep. When he pulls out that paper, the Nuremberg Berg codes on it. It's like the world's angriest prop comic. Oh my god, I'm sure he's actually upset about COVID stuff. But I think this is pretty obvious that this guy is trying to build a brand here. And that suspicion would end up being confirmed. If you had it at the time when a little bit after this map popped back up at another local board meeting. This time in Maricopa County. Oh my god, he was there to yell at the board of supervisors about the midterm election, which is weird. He doesn't even live in Arizona say Does he live there? No. So this really seems like a publicity stunt kind of thing seems odd. Here's his performance from that meeting. Okay.

Jordan (00:28:49.000)

This is the sequel better?

Matt Baker (00:28:50.000)

Good morning. Once again,

Matt Baker (00:28:52.000)

the eyes of the world? Or a third? Could you please for another botched election? Am I here to accuse you of stealing the vote? Heavens no for that would make me a terrorist, wouldn't it? Let me ask you. And we try to go Oscar Wilde on this one to a bank and the teller put them in the machine. And the machine kicked out one out of four of your bills. And the teller said, Don't worry, we'll put them in box three over here. And we'll let you know how many were in there later. We'll send them off to a separate location, and someone will be sure to get back to you and tell you how much money you have. Would you be okay with that? No, maybe you would not be okay with that. Now ask yourself the question, which is more valuable. Your vote or your money. Now ask a lobbyist. That same question. Now ask your campaign manager that question. Now ask Mark Zuckerberg that question which is more valid your bowl, your money, or your boat, or your country, or this world, or the corruption that is taking over every single county.

Jordan (00:30:10.000)

Fuck out here. What the fuck was that? So we

Matt Baker (00:30:16.000)

get yourself in the mirror and realize that you are the cancer that is tearing this nation

Dan (00:30:30.000)

it's just a little much. Yeah, Matt Baker was one of the most prominent faces of from the rash of people yelling at council meetings that went viral for a bit. If you paid close attention, you might notice that whenever you saw Matt, he was always wearing the same shirt, which is also the shirt that he's wearing on his Infowars appearance. It's a shirt with the Statue of Liberty wearing a mask that says slave on it. It should come as no surprise that he runs a shirt business called slave to Liberty selling these shirts among other weird conspiracy focused designs. I'm sure that Matt is mad about some of this stuff. And maybe he does believe that shit he's saying but he's also very clearly identified a shortcut to finding a place in the market. No one can stop you from speaking at these local meetings. And if you tape yourself doing some ridiculous Alex Jones impression rant, you stand a good chance of being shared widely within the far right media. If you suspiciously are wearing the same clothing item which you sell during each of these performances, you'll probably move a large number of them and get a pretty sweet payday for essentially doing nothing. From there. The next logical step is to transition into chasing whatever causes popular among the shitheads who loved your act, thus complaining about drag queen storytime and popping up in Maricopa County to yell about the midterms. Anyway, the other day he went to shoot a video at the Pfizer building in San Diego so he's hot again. He and his other extreme right wing activists in San Diego are planning a larger scale protest at that Pfizer building and Alec suggested that Matt Do it on Sunday. But Matt realized that was the Super Bowl and he couldn't get a crowd that day. So it gives he's gonna get go on the 22nd Yeah, also I'm not gonna play this for you because it would be cruel but Matt also did a parody of ground control to Major Tom see if you can guess what the name of it is you in a million years you'll never guess this ground control to Major Tom I will say two words. I'll give you two is still in there but two other words are the same. Okay.

Jordan (00:32:27.000)

Oh, mind control to Major Tom.

Dan (00:32:32.000)

If you don't know first first major mind control correct okay

Dan (00:32:37.000)

mind control to blank

Jordan (00:32:38.000)

to blank Yeah. To major or note to President

Dan (00:32:47.000)

never in a million years

Jordan (00:32:49.000)

no, I got no idea mind control two

Dan (00:32:51.000)

major Scam. what? It's not good. What it's pretty you can't

Jordan (00:32:57.000)

not rhyme

Dan (00:32:59.000)

yeah

Jordan (00:33:04.000)

I remember I remember my favorite my favorite weird owl Trek was boat it. I loved boating.

Dan (00:33:11.000)

I do. I do talk and great. What are you found like Kerry Cassidy CD. I listen to the whole thing. I was delighted. This guy I listened to his parody song. I did not make it all the way through. Right. I didn't turn it off. I was like, all right. I get the point. It's awful. So Matt is on and he has some complaints.

Jordan (00:33:31.000)

Mad waiting in this guy. See, I'm better at it just by not trying. Just like

Dan (00:33:37.000)

what Alex this guy's he's a purple pen would come in for you.

Dan (00:33:48.000)

Anyway, all right. Matt has some Patriot friends. And maybe they've been more successful than him in some ways. Yeah. And now they won't let him yell about Pfizer on their shows or

Matt Baker (00:33:59.000)

guy. But this is like, putting chills down my spine as patriot. Okay. I'm not gonna say who they are. But this is a real breaking story. Okay. Couple of my friends that are in the movement that have gotten shows. That's as far as I'm gonna say, Okay. They've been. They've let me on their shows. And they said, Oh, yeah, come on, man. We're all buddies. Yeah, you can get on the show. No big deal. Well, the new word on the street is yeah, you can come on my show. But you can't say Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer. And you know what you can say on Alex Jones. So who's running? What these are supposedly Patriot networks.

Dan (00:34:36.000)

Maybe they're bored. Maybe you just aren't bringing a lot to the table in terms of that except for yelling Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer. Yeah. I don't know. I don't I don't know what to make of this. But I don't think it's control.

Jordan (00:34:48.000)

What's what's very funny to me is when we when you describe that pipeline, you know, start yelling at it is the exact same thing as an open mic comic like it is do some open mics get noticed maybe get us guest spot on a little local show keep working your ass off maybe you work at a club or you get you get Jfl or something and he's doing the exact same shit. And then if you get there and your friends get more success than you you're like, man I we went we started together and now I can't go on their show. They won't even talk to me about their podcast anymore hands a white guy with dreadlocks get a break. And this time I spent those years learning improv and now they're not helping.

Dan (00:35:31.000)

Yeah, it's a little annoying. I don't I don't know who his friends are. But he does complain a lot about them on this episode. Well, maybe he's not really friends with them. I would imagine after this, I wouldn't want to be friends with him. He seems to talk a lot of shit. So also another person talks about is Ben Shapiro doesn't like Ben Shapiro much.

Matt Baker (00:35:51.000)

I'm gonna up the ante on this. And I'm not supposed to say anything. And I'm not gonna say any names. But this is a fact. And this is happening in the patriot movement. This is what was going on with what Shapiro I never liked Shapiro and even supposed to say my little guy, and he makes some good points. But I never trusted that guy. Never. I always knew Alex Jones was legit. I'm gonna tell you this is a fact. I'm not making this up. And I'm not gonna say any names. One of my good good friends interviewed Alex Jones. And the network wouldn't let the interview go on air, even though Alex had big up these people and help them promote their shows and taking the time out of his life to do it right in the middle of him being basically the hottest thing on planet Earth. And one of the channels that you tune into and you think is helping you it is gonna save America through Alexandre the bus and we'll throw James O'Keefe on the bus. And you can say this is what we're dealing with. The challenge shows didn't say anything to me, I can say whatever I want. Good,

Dan (00:36:52.000)

good fun. Okay. Um, so with all due respect, which is non I have to say that Matt and Ben Shapiro are in completely different worlds of media. I'm sure a lot of right wing media love the image of Matt's video yelling at the local board meeting because they knew they could use it to inspire other people to sabotage local politics and intimidate folks. It was incredibly politically useful for them. But Matt himself isn't. No one in the actual media would see anything worthwhile in him. He's doing an Alex Jones impression rattling off Deep End conspiracy bullshit. He looks like the dirtiest form of hippie you can imagine. And he seems to be making bad parody songs on his free time, which is embarrassing. He neither has the information nor the personality that would make him an appealing person to get involved with. Like, if you're someone like Ben Shapiro, or if you have a real operation going Yeah, Alex, on the other hand, just wants attention. Right? If that comes with the side product of elevating and being associated to the dude like this, so be it.

Jordan (00:37:50.000)

It took him precisely five seconds of internet fame to have delusions of grandeur. Yeah. Equal to fuck.

Unknown Speaker (00:37:58.000)

Oh, Luna shakes, right? Yeah,

Jordan (00:38:00.000)

that is crazy. Yeah, he

Dan (00:38:02.000)

talks about like, at one point, he didn't cut a clip of this, but he talks about like, all my life I've known I was a bit smarter than God. And I didn't realize it was a one in 10 million type thing that people won't stand up. Wow. Oh, no, man. Oh,

Jordan (00:38:19.000)

boy. This is like

Dan (00:38:21.000)

somebody from I'm trying to think LFO saying that they're the best band in the world.

Jordan (00:38:30.000)

I mean, if if, if a bartender gives me the wrong drink, I will do my best to drink it instead of asking them to give me a new drink. The idea is so like, I don't want to hurt your feelings. I don't want to mess with your day. I'm so sorry for even getting the I shouldn't be here. Yeah.

Dan (00:38:49.000)

I've been thinking a lot about that brand Nubian song. Don't let it go to your head. Ah, yeah, this guy, Dan to listen to that track. Oh, my God. Also totally understandable that someone would refuse to air an interview with Alex. Most interviews with Alex should have been thrown in the camp. Like maybe you feel like you could have a good interview with him. And then you show up and he refuses to engage with any questions or topics, constantly screams plugs for his own website and says horrible, hateful shit. At that point. It's a responsible choice not to air it. I do wonder who Matt's talking about? Like, who's his good friend who interviewed him because off the top of my head. The only real interview I can think of that Alex did that didn't come out was with Mike Tyson. And my sense is that wasn't because it was politically explosive. As much as it was probably really embarrassing since they were both on shrooms.

Jordan (00:39:38.000)

Maybe he's really good friends with Mike Tyson.

Dan (00:39:40.000)

I don't think so. I

Jordan (00:39:41.000)

think that's within reach, though. I think that's not too far away. i And if Mike Tyson had Alex on maybe Mike Tyson is a fan of short YouTube clips of some assholes screaming at a thing.

Dan (00:39:52.000)

I'm not a regular listener of his hot boxing podcast. But I don't think he did an episode with Matt Considering the guests that he has are lucky Eminem, that's, that's fair, maybe a different echelon.

Jordan (00:40:09.000)

Every time I hear about his podcast and what it is, I'm like, man, if you had told me, this is where we were gonna end up.

Dan (00:40:17.000)

So anyway, Matt, delusions, just delusions.

Alex Jones (00:40:23.000)

There is a huge awakening, the good news is people are awake. And the system is trying to mitigate that by coming in and controlling people a battle that they're gonna be able to.

Matt Baker (00:40:33.000)

Well, I'm telling you, it's happening. I mean, you know, I'm waiting for the phone call that I get. Just figuring out what the number is going to be. I'm gonna have to do if I want to print and keep my soul. Is this crazy? Because I get some of these people. You're so happy for them. You're like, Oh, you got a gig. That's great. And then you call them the next week, and they're like, we can't talk about this. We can't talk about that. You're like

Alex Jones (00:40:55.000)

No, and I know who you're talking about. Very, very popular. Forum.

Matt Baker (00:41:00.000)

Let's leave it at that because I'm not saying anymore. anymore. I swore I wouldn't say anything.

Jordan (00:41:05.000)

Done then why did you bring insinuate something

Alex Jones (00:41:07.000)

I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You're being fucking

Dan (00:41:10.000)

weird as hell, man. Yeah, that's creepy. Yeah. Don't say anything because I shouldn't. I don't want to say you brought it up multiple times.

Jordan (00:41:19.000)

If you don't want to say anything. Don't even say you have something to say anything about right that you're not saying? Yeah, that's stupid.

Dan (00:41:26.000)

See, this is the insinuation game gone wrong? Like Alex insinuates all kinds of stuff, but it's all made up. Yeah, so there's nobody that's gonna like call him out or get in trouble there's not gonna be any social weirdness because he's just making shit up. Yeah, it's fake sources and all this stuff is imaginary. Yeah, whereas Matt is actually probably concerned about like an actual name being said or something it appears that way you know could put them on the outs with his more successful friends.

Jordan (00:41:52.000)

I mean, Alex can insinuate that Joe Biden and the guy attacking Joe Biden or no not Joe Biden, Pelosi Pelosi his husband their hammer fuck their hammer fucking yeah all right. You can insinuate that no big deal right? You don't have to be like I'm not gonna name names but I think the hammers name was fucking Yeah,

Dan (00:42:12.000)

this guy needs to tighten his game up a little bit. Also so awesome to hear somebody having a crisis about a thing that will never happen

Jordan (00:42:21.000)

here I am just I'm gonna have to turn down that number.

Dan (00:42:23.000)

Yeah, what are you just sitting here waiting for someone to offer me $10 million that I can turn down to prove my integrity Wow. I love he's he's essentially virtue signaling based on a an imaginary future offer that is not going to come?

Jordan (00:42:41.000)

I think so. I think he's actually negging the universe that's my that's my plan that's my thinking right? If you if you're like, Oh, you're not that hot universe then maybe the universe will like

Dan (00:42:52.000)

you more it's like the opposite of the secret No, it's

Jordan (00:42:55.000)

a new it's a full frontal assault on the secret Yeah.

Dan (00:42:59.000)

So I mean look, it just keeps going.

Matt Baker (00:43:01.000)

I'm sick like if I wish I could tell you who it is. I just don't feel ethically I can you always say as a reporter when somebody tells you something in confidence you have to maintain

Alex Jones (00:43:13.000)

I mean I know who it is and people can figure it out from where you're based. But but the other

Matt Baker (00:43:18.000)

person another person to another tip now it's to it was okay with one now it's to another person who has been on your show another person who may have just recently got a deal okay, and now they're Whose team are they on? And so when when it comes

Alex Jones (00:43:34.000)

to things are so invincible making $80 million whatever it is last two years Pfizer's the problem just keeps spreading money out and they just think they can buy us all but by us all while the kids old dying society collapses Yeah, man

Dan (00:43:46.000)

it's totally I'm not I'm not mad that the my friend gotta set on Fallon.

Jordan (00:43:51.000)

I'm not mad. No, no, not at all. No, no, no, I'm trying

Dan (00:43:55.000)

to figure out who these people are in San Diego. Right. I have no idea. I don't know what kind of conspiracy bullshit show is based in San Diego clue. I was thinking like maybe Alex Stein because apparently he just got like a show on the blaze. Okay, but like he talks really highly of Alex Stein during this. So I don't think that's him. I don't know. Maybe it's a red herring to throw us off the trail. It could be maybe he realized

Jordan (00:44:19.000)

way too much. Because he has he said he wants to

Dan (00:44:23.000)

Oh, god. Okay, so later in this I don't have any clips of this. But later in the interview, he goes on a long diatribe about how he wants to start like a freedom awards or Liberty awards or something like that. Like an Oscars for Patriots. Oh my god, so he's gonna actually do it. It's planned. Oh, like later this year kind of fall apart? I'm sure Oh, God. But yeah, Alex Stein is in the running for best Patriot Commedia

Jordan (00:44:49.000)

Jesus Christ. That is so funny but ciment

Dan (00:44:52.000)

award Alex Jones,

Jordan (00:44:54.000)

man. What are we going to do with our lives? I think we're gonna have to watch that. Avi easily if it's broadcast. I mean,

Dan (00:45:01.000)

if, if it happens, I'll go. For sure. I'll report live. I'll go red carpet.

Jordan (00:45:09.000)

I assume it's a black tie event for sure. Yes.

Dan (00:45:14.000)

So anyway, we hit we get done with a petty bullshit, we're

Jordan (00:45:16.000)

up for bestie antagonists.

Dan (00:45:20.000)

That would be great. Wouldn't be great. It's Hillary Clinton. I will send Hillary Clinton except on her behalf. Yes.

Jordan (00:45:28.000)

We'll do it remotely.

Dan (00:45:29.000)

So we're done with the petty portion. And now we jump to something that I find interesting. Here's two or three dynamics that I find intertwined with Matt actually four if you count the pettiness. Sure. There is an intense stupidity and bigotry, which we'll get to later, there's going to be a portion of this that I would give a strong content warning, perhaps on. And we'll get to that later. That sucks. But then there's also an angle of it that's like, Oh, this is derivative bullshit. He's just doing an Alex shear action. Sure. But then there's this other thread. That is he kind of is close to getting some things in a way that like, I don't usually hear people around him for war. Right, right. And this is one of the examples of even far

Jordan (00:46:17.000)

right people in San Diego get a little bit of the rubbing off contact, oh,

Dan (00:46:22.000)

in the same way that he's playing the insinuation game wrong. He might be thinking one stage further than most people care, too. So that's kind of a problem. Yeah. Now,

Matt Baker (00:46:33.000)

what I gotta say about Trump, is if Trump gets back in now that we know that they have the total apparatus to seal elections, do they want him to get in? And now can you trust that? And then ask yourself this? Why is it? Why is it that supposedly all maybe they're all there's no help, but with these belt politicians at all, I've always liked what DeSantis is doing. I think DeSantis is great and walks, walks talk. But people say, Oh, look who's back. Look who's backing it. That's another thing. It's so easy for them to just say, Oh, we funded this guy. So now you don't trust him. Matt is

Dan (00:47:04.000)

thinking through his conspiracy beliefs. And he's starting to get to the point where he should be realizing they're dead. Yeah, that's a bad idea. This honestly should be an entry point for him to realize how much of his belief system is based on whims and the messaging that he gets from outlets like Infowars and Tucker, but it won't be this will just be a little blip. And essentially, isn't it weird kind of moment. This is a great illustration of the self defeating nature of the modern right, far right conspiracy paradigm. In about 30 seconds, Matt lays out two really central pillars of Far Right Thought and hits a brick wall, where each revealed themselves to be self contradictory. The first is the idea that the globalists can essentially control all elections, and all elections are stolen to serve the whims of the power elite. This was a central pillar of the Info Wars conspiracy space for years and years where Bush and Clinton were just puppets on New World Order string,

Jordan (00:47:54.000)

right? Made things simpler, because you could get them all Yeah, they're all in there. Yep,

Dan (00:47:58.000)

that narrative had to change a bit when Trump won because according to the storyline, he was the anti NWO guy who was fighting the globalist. So there wasn't really a way to make this make sense if the globalist stole the election in his favor. Thus, the transition to a talking point where the globalists tried to steal the election, but Trump was just too popular, so he overcame the theft. I'll be the first to admit that that's pretty good save, but it's also a one time solution. If that truly is the case, then the globalists aren't going to let that happen again, because they learned from their mistakes. They're a scientific technocracy for fuck Supposedly, this presents a pretty large problem for 2024. But I think the audience is so uncritical that these thought leaders can easily just flash up a fake graph and say, amazingly, it was such a huge landslide that the steel didn't work again. Yeah. And people will buy it. Yeah. There will be people like Matt here, though, who are thinking this through a little bit. If our enemy is all powerful, and in control of the electoral system, doesn't that imply that whoever gets in is who they wanted to get in. If Trump wins again, that he must be the globalists choice. This will be a much bigger issue for Trump and DeSantis. Since DeSantis, hasn't been the subject of the we beat the odds to overcome the stolen election narrative once already. Sure. He's kind of shiny new toy in that respect. But

Jordan (00:49:13.000)

that seems like that's why that's the one that they should be like, Oh, he's the one that they are putting in there. Because he's not Trump. He's behaving like a pretend Trump. You know, he's, he's doing stupid shit. Which works? Apparently. So isn't he trying to trick us? Because Trump is the real one. So they've learned from their mistakes, and they've chosen DeSantis. Right, but that's the way you do.

Dan (00:49:37.000)

But maybe that's what they want you to think. Well, that's

Jordan (00:49:40.000)

the problem with an all powerful villain, right? Yeah.

Dan (00:49:42.000)

So Matt's also wrestling with a second narrative dead end, which is that any politician is super easy to criticize based on their donors, and you can really assassinate anyone's character based on that if you want to. Yeah, he wants to back DeSantis and does but there's the question of his backers. This is a great example of selective leak. Creating a problem, that expectation is that these candidates should be held responsible for who backs them, but they really want to support DeSantis and his backers are bad. Instead of sticking to the imaginary principle of judging a candidate by their backers, Matt is able to rationalize that you can call anyone bad by pointing to the bad people who financially support their candidacy. So maybe that's not a problem for DeSantis at all right? This should be a wake up moment for him that the criticism about backers isn't actually even something he cares about. Because if it were, it wouldn't be this easy to put aside. Further, it would be great if he could just think a little bit further down the line about the stolen elections and realize that this isn't a real thing either. And just exist as a narrative crutch to rationalize why supposedly super popular candidates end up losing and to D legitimize the electoral wins of candidates that extreme right wing folks don't want to accept, actually our popular. He's not going to do any of these things, though, because quieting that voice that could recognize that all this is bullshit is the surest path to not selling any more shirts. So you gotta gotta keep it up.

Jordan (00:51:00.000)

Yep. Man. That's, that's so funny. That's just I don't know why it's so funny to me. But the idea of one of these people being like, wait a second, if they control the elections? No, no, don't

Jordan (00:51:15.000)

think these thoughts. No, you'll

Jordan (00:51:16.000)

lose money. This is awful. No,

Dan (00:51:20.000)

you don't so awesome, too. There's a real fucking insult to Ron Paul buried in here. Because like, the whole notion of why Ron Paul didn't win is because everything was like stacked against him. And they stole it from him whole thing. Yeah. But I mean, like, if it's possible to overcome that stealing that means the Ron Paul must have been super unpopular.

Jordan (00:51:40.000)

No, don't think they thought you'll lose money.

Dan (00:51:43.000)

So Alex attack Trump. And he's saying this in response to Matt saying that, like these friends of his onto these shows that can't insult Trump. And Alex says something that I don't think is correct.

Alex Jones (00:51:57.000)

I noticed about six months ago over the vaccines, several vaccines, I finally got pissed, and said, I'm not going to support Trump if he doesn't come out against the shots. And man, it was like a switch revenue wise, even though our revenue supposedly people buying products, divorce, or.com It went down like 40%, like, overnight, so and I guess that's his program. People that hear me like pissed at Trump. I still like a lot of what he did. I was told he was better than, you know, Obama or, or, you know, mitt, Mitt Romney or whatever. But I mean, it's like, wow, there is definitely something a lot of that is just situational. Like a lot of these networks, like Newsmax or olien or others meanwell. But they see Oh, it's okay to hear to crowds, Democrats but when you say hey, Republicans do a better job here. Oh, no, don't do that. Because people see that as infighting it's it's not in fighting but but take Newsmax

Dan (00:52:50.000)

was when I said I didn't think it was I met the number. I don't think that number is accurate. No, it sounds really weird him saying that his revenue supposedly comes from selling supplements, though. That doesn't sound good. But I guess it doesn't matter now that he's on a platform completely unrelated to free speech systems. Speak freely, Alice, all mocking aside Alex's expressing something that's painfully transparent, and that is that no one buys his shit for its own sake. They buy things to support his messaging. And then when they don't like his messaging, they no longer need that snake oil, and they stopped buying it. Every one of the right wing shithead networks that make any money understands this, you tailor your message to the audience and the audience pays to keep you around and give you money. Yeah, they don't exist to cover actual reality or news. It's narrative based content. If and if the narrative that's being relayed is out of sync with what the audience wants to accept as reality. They'll find someone else who will give them that narrative and that message. Yeah,

Jordan (00:53:45.000)

your coin operated lie machines. Don't fuck with the coins. Yeah. And even Alex

Dan (00:53:49.000)

gets this. Yeah, I don't trust the numbers that he's citing at all. But I bet his revenue did drop some at that point that he's describing, which is why he never followed through with his plan to burn Trump. Yep. When Alex made his ultimatum that Trump had to come out against the vaccines, or else Alex was gonna destroy him. Nothing happened. Trump probably didn't even hear about that ultimatum, and nothing happened. Alex pretended that it didn't happen at all. And then he went back to saying I'm mad at Trump about the vaccines. But golly, Isn't he so good in other ways? That was the middle ground of appeasing the pro Trump elements of the audience and making sure that they didn't abandon ship while giving the anti Trump contingent the appearance of providing some pushback and like yeah, hey, look, I call this a like, I see him you know, he's bad on this.

Jordan (00:54:32.000)

I had that. That's just another one of those things that you can't think too much more about. Because if you're like, Listen, if we go off message for even a second, people hate us. So do you think maybe, maybe you're not fostering a good environment for disagreement and growth? Probably not. Probably not. Maybe, maybe you're a bunch of fucking fascists. You're a bunch of morons.

Dan (00:54:57.000)

So look, maybe So, but isn't that better than spooky things going on during the Super Bowl halftime show?

Jordan (00:55:05.000)

And you're right. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan (00:55:06.000)

I mean, isn't a oppressive society that is an intolerant entirely Yeah, of people who the power structure deems to be outside the norm. Isn't that preferable to, like weird lighting and costume

Jordan (00:55:22.000)

did go out one time during the Superbowl. And that was during play. And there was one time so fascism can keep that from happening again. I mean, I suppose it is better.

Dan (00:55:31.000)

And there was one time there was that wardrobe malfunction. Ooh, wardrobes run correctly under

Jordan (00:55:36.000)

fascists. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Oh, really cool to be dead.

Dan (00:55:40.000)

So anyway, that is a prediction of some Illuminati bullshit going on during the Superbowl?

Matt Baker (00:55:44.000)

You know, would it be really shocking we'd be the Super Bowl went off without an Illuminati satanic ritual. But, you know, at this point, they've pushed the wire of that so far, because, you know, a lot of that is ritual. And I think a lot of it is free advertised. It's like Madonna started the devil back in the day. And now she's doing her same old thing. And she's just a washed up old hag, and I'm looking at Madonna. And people are like posting Madonna videos. I'm like, no one cares. Stop posting your crap. I mean, I even put some of that. That thing on the end of my video that was actually my buddy, the cameraman, he was like, do we got

Alex Jones (00:56:17.000)

what the devil does? Is he always does some horrible, provocative thing just to get your attention, because he's circling the intergalactic toilet bowl.

Matt Baker (00:56:26.000)

Right? And so most times, if there's a product or if there's something with northings, I don't have I feel like that he's someone will come out or like, look at this person in their podcast, and they did this. It's like, I would rather just my theory on it is like lot, you know, in Sodom and Gomorrah at a certain point, I'm not a perfect person, give me a break. I appreciate a hot woman just like you. But when it comes to some of this stuff, especially on TV and spreading it around on the internet, we look at it and we get we we get offended. And then we go around and we're like, Look at this. Look at this. And I see all my fellow conservatives posting it. It's like I wouldn't even heard of it. If it wasn't for everyone's outrage.

Alex Jones (00:57:06.000)

Wow, it's like we're promoting

Dan (00:57:09.000)

dum dum. Don't think too much about that. Do you remember when all the rappers were like covering up one eye and making triangles and stuff and all the checkerboard patterns and music videos? It wasn't because the Illuminati is behind it. It's because you Dum Dums are giving them all this free press and all this controversy that ended up getting clicks and views on YouTube and you're starting to get it

Jordan (00:57:29.000)

the system. The system rolls along, man. It's all meaningless. You're a cog. And frankly, how fucking dare you listen. I don't like Madonna's last few albums. You don't get to talk shit about fucking Madonna.

Dan (00:57:44.000)

She's fucking Madonna. Right?

Jordan (00:57:46.000)

You know, I understand the guy who's yelled at a fucking meeting.

Dan (00:57:49.000)

But it was. I mean, a lot of people liked it. Yeah, let's

Jordan (00:57:52.000)

talk shit about Madonna. Yeah, look, Madonna

Dan (00:57:55.000)

is innovative. She was around at a point when she was just paradigm breaking and legend she was also in Dick Tracy. Yep,

Jordan (00:58:07.000)

that's also true. And this guy wrote a she was in A League of Their

Dan (00:58:10.000)

mind control to Major scale

Jordan (00:58:15.000)

that's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. He is better than David Bowie I made a mistake there

Dan (00:58:23.000)

like a prayer What are you gonna do you not even close oh my god major scam.

Jordan (00:58:31.000)

Oh my god.

Dan (00:58:32.000)

Mind Control two major scam What

Jordan (00:58:35.000)

an asshole Why would you just go after Madonna now because he's a piece of

Dan (00:58:39.000)

shit. We're gonna learn how deep that goes as we go along like I started this like thinking he was a boring Alex clone kind of like just doing a bad impression. I found him boring. And they and I thought it was interesting because you starting to kind of get close to getting it yeah between the like, oh wait if our guy wins the election doesn't that mean the globalist want it like that is very close to penetrating the shell of the conspiracy bullshit and then here he's very close to understanding oh all this stuff we're outraged about is really all made up both driving traffic for the people were pretending to hate and so there is like this futility of of almost getting it

Jordan (00:59:21.000)

he's like a little raptor getting out of the shell getting out of the egg. But at it but but he's just not strong enough if

Dan (00:59:27.000)

raptor can't get out of the AP. Yeah,

Jordan (00:59:29.000)

exactly. Like a sad turtle. Yeah. Sad turtle buried in the sand can't hatch and can't make it to the wall. So

Dan (00:59:36.000)

the turtle is screaming. Yeah, it's

Jordan (00:59:39.000)

a really annoying turtle. Yeah, and a boring turtle too. It's like screaming the lyrics to Barenaked Ladies or ground

Dan (00:59:46.000)

control to Major scale. It could be but then as the episode goes on, and the interview goes longer, I realized like oh, I just hate this guy. Yeah, he sucks. He's just a bigoted piece of shit. Yeah. So but he also is bad at analogies that So

Matt Baker (01:00:00.000)

I'm just saying anybody who's a fence stop being a fan, like I was talking about the other day that the analogy of the Super Bowl, there's certain people playing the game, but the fate of the entire stadium is within the game. But the thing is what globalists only have a few people paying for the people that are on their side and their team. So let's bring them into the game is this game now? Now let's bring people on our site and I'm talking to the people in the nosebleeds. I'm talking to people way

Alex Jones (01:00:26.000)

better yesterday. So start over take your time. There. We think of 11 players there they will order 11 players are no all the people in the stands really who we are. Explain that again.

Matt Baker (01:00:37.000)

Well, I'm not a big fan of repeating myself, but I'll give it a go. Because it can never say no to Alex Jones.

Dan (01:00:41.000)

I think Alex, I might be I might take that as him being a little rude.

Jordan (01:00:45.000)

I'd be like, Hey, shut the fuck up. Do

Dan (01:00:47.000)

you told this better the other day? Yeah.

Jordan (01:00:50.000)

I mean, like, Hey, how about you start from the beginning, and we'll edit that shit out. What

Dan (01:00:55.000)

a gracious host. Yeah, Jesus. So he does take another swing at this another bite at the apple. All right.

Matt Baker (01:01:01.000)

Everyone likes it analogy, right? So when you're watching this, is that an analogy I want you to imagine 11 players on the field. That's team humanity. That's Alex Jones. That's Matt Baker once, maybe Elon Musk might even be on our team at a certain point. And then you've got your Fauci and you've got your Bill Gates, and they're all being run by the people in the skybox, the people in the skybox on their team. The other team is working for the entire planet Earth. Now the game What the fuck are you doing? Whoever wins that game is going to have every person in that stadium? Fate is on it. So if if the humanity loses humanity gets in prison for all time. If the globalist lose, they get in prison for all time. So when we watch our players go up against each other. The problem is, is the game is rigged. And so the individual players get kneecapped. They get handicap, Alex Jones has massive victories. Well, Alex Jones crushes globalist on a daily basis. He is like a game just mutilating them with the truth constantly.

Dan (01:02:07.000)

But then you'd like football?

Jordan (01:02:10.000)

left tackle what are we doing?

Matt Baker (01:02:11.000)

Jones, they stab all of the great patriots. They got stabbed. Sorry. James O'Keefe. They stab him in the ribs. And then they go go out and finish the game. And when he has no platform,

Dan (01:02:24.000)

when he sent me a 15 yard penalty.

Matt Baker (01:02:27.000)

When he doesn't have a Twitter, he can't even be a red card. That'll be fun. At that point, you realize game is rigged. And we the people, all of the people in the cheap seats are on the one side, and only the five people in the skybox are on the other side. You say this game is rigged. We're all in the field. There's 7 billion of us, and we're going to take this entire stake over and when they

Jordan (01:02:51.000)

send out this what's the point of the game

Matt Baker (01:02:52.000)

and they send them to the floor. They're gonna run away and they'll end up mushed on the ground just by the amount of people coming down.

Dan (01:02:59.000)

Yeah, this is a dumb analogy, because the way he's telling it no one wins the game. There is no game. It's supposed to be a football game where humanity if they win, then the globalists are imprisoned and if the globalist win humanity's enslaved, that's a fine setup. But then it goes off the rails when he seems to think that the victory condition for a football game is one team's fans take over the stadium.

Jordan (01:03:19.000)

I mean, you know, honestly, again, I feel like this analogy is him accidentally getting a little bit too close to it. The game is all bullshit man. The game is all bullshit in order to win the game. The crowd has to occupy the stadium or leave the stadium or leave the stamp. Do you see what I'm saying? He's almost getting it for his

Dan (01:03:41.000)

dog there at all. No, absolutely not. For this analogy to work, the things need to be analogous. Things need to be comparable.

Jordan (01:03:49.000)

That is one of the prerequisites for the the word itself

Dan (01:03:53.000)

within the rules of football. It's hard to make this work because the audience doesn't get to play in the game. I think the best you could do is say that humanity has a deep bench. And even though the globalists are cheating and stabbing people apparently every time they take out one of our players, another monster of liberty gets off the bench and into the game and you need to prepare yourself to possibly be on that bench. Sure. That might work maybe outside of that this is just a good metaphor for Alex because all the people in the crowd that all they can do is cheer and buy merch. Yeah. Which is all Alex wants anybody to do. Well, the

Jordan (01:04:25.000)

game is rigged, right? The guy was rigged. Yeah, man, it is rigged.

Dan (01:04:30.000)

Also. Bill Gates is on the field or in the skybox. I'm not sure I

Jordan (01:04:34.000)

refuse to acknowledge his team's whatsoever. It's very Yeah, unless he chooses all 11 players for each team and then we get to argue about it that I think where we would put them totally Absolutely. What's the position? That's fun. This is another example of him sucking.

Dan (01:04:52.000)

Here's the problem though too for their team chair. There's no way they could get along. There.

Jordan (01:04:57.000)

You don't have to get along to win football games. Buddy, what the Raiders, but I don't know maybe they liked each other, but they at least had

Dan (01:05:04.000)

a common purpose. Like, we're playing a football game. Right, right. We're involved in what he's describing as team humanity. Yeah, it would be impossible. Yeah, there are people who sabotage each other and are petty as shit. Yeah. So they would like to meanwhile you wouldn't even localist Yeah, they are single minded and folk. Yeah, that's true. They work as a well oiled machine.

Jordan (01:05:28.000)

I don't think anybody on Team humanity wants to play like a non glory position. You know, nobody's playing the line. No one's playing right guard. No, no, absolutely not. That's not happening. Your job

Dan (01:05:39.000)

for humanity is to run into that person over and over. Yeah, they

Jordan (01:05:42.000)

don't want to do that, right. No, I

Dan (01:05:44.000)

want to catch the touchdown pass. They're all fucking quarterback.

Jordan (01:05:47.000)

Exactly. Yeah. Whereas on Team globalists, it's all the offensive like, they're all.

Dan (01:05:52.000)

Everyone's exactly for whatever. Whatever I'm best at. Yep. Anyway, Matt. He liked Alex's shit during COVID. And that kind of got him into this game. Sure.

Alex Jones (01:06:04.000)

What's gonna go to City Council's and finally speak out?

Matt Baker (01:06:09.000)

I mean, it wasn't. I wouldn't say it was like, Oh, I listen to Alex Jones. And that's why I did it. I honestly, I think it's in your heart. I think a lot of people have it in their heart. I think a lot of people want to say no beginning. A lot of people have strong will. And I think people just need to it's like a muscle. You just start exercising it during the COVID lock downs and that whole thing, that whole mind control situation. I mean, yeah, I was listening to Infowars. And yeah, it helped me like I saw it. I'm like, this is a psyop. This is fake. But then as all the information comes in, and especially you and your guests, you get more and more convinced you're like, No, wait, this really is wrong. They really haven't tested this vaccine, there really is no proof found she really did say wear the mask, don't wear today's witness with three masks. The virus works. The vaccine works. The vaccine doesn't work every day. They're changing their tune on TV. And then you know, they're they're using mRNA technology, which you know, is never been tested, or has been tested and all the all the rats die. They were sorry. And then

Dan (01:07:12.000)

you start realizing ah, mice.

Matt Baker (01:07:14.000)

Oh, yeah, I remember that. No one else. It's almost like we're in a video game you want you like video games. It's almost

Jordan (01:07:19.000)

like we're not in reality. You're a hero.

Dan (01:07:22.000)

I think that's a perfect articulation of it. Let's pretend you're a hero. Exactly what you're doing. Yeah, you're like I'm changing the world by screaming at people at a local board meeting.

Jordan (01:07:31.000)

You know what I think of when I think of will. And I think of individuality. I think that if you say the wrong thing, and your audience goes, we're not fans of you anymore. As one that's individuality.

Dan (01:07:46.000)

It's yeah, it's a strong. And when I think of heroic, I think of guy yelling bullshit. And making parody song. Yeah,

Jordan (01:07:56.000)

a lot of people are like, you know, standing against the crowd. That takes courage. And I disagree. I think being in the middle of the crowd, pretending that you are just one organism trying to topple a government. Now that's individuality.

Dan (01:08:13.000)

So look, there's a lot of negatives. Sure. But man has a positive. Okay, and this is a is a big positive.

Matt Baker (01:08:19.000)

Let me let me talk about some positive for a sec. I will say I have noticed recently, back in the day, there was a lot of Alex Jones beams and video clips going around. And then there was a long period of time where that was very low on the totem pole and not a big thing. I surf Instagram and all these things to the platform. Sad actually, I wish this battle. That's the one thing I don't like about the battle is to be informed. You kind of have to become an addict of of like, the machine. Exactly. You

Alex Jones (01:08:49.000)

want to tune out of it, because that's the ultimate defense. But because they're in the matrix, you got to jack into it.

Matt Baker (01:08:55.000)

Exactly. You always use that Yeah, to fight to fight the Mr. Smith's, you actually have to get into the matrix, unfortunately. And unfortunately, they'll pull your blog, like I was saying the other day on TV, if you don't get in there and fight it. So I have noticed a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of clips of Alex or even vintage old classic clips, new clips, mean clips, statement clips, daily clips I've been seeing it's it's definitely I don't know whether you're noticing it or not. But I've definitely noticed an uptick in all of my media that I'm following.

Dan (01:09:30.000)

So the positive that Matt sees in the world is that a lot of accounts he follows or posting clips of Alex, which is cool. I'm sure his follow list is a robust cross section of people of all different walks of life and political ideologies. It's really getting the heartbeat of the nation.

Jordan (01:09:45.000)

Yeah, it's almost weird that this seems to coincide with someone recently taking over a platform that had kicked a lot of far right figures off of it, and then suddenly allowed them back on now. Uh, oh, no, that has nothing not related at all. So there's not a reason for things happening. It's just an imaginary thing that happened. Well, it's

Dan (01:10:06.000)

the universe. Sure.

Jordan (01:10:08.000)

Fair enough.

Dan (01:10:09.000)

Yeah. Also, I'm fascinated by this rationale that in order to be in the fight, you have to be addicted to social media. Sure, it's obviously not true. But I think it's really like, what's really being communicated here is that social media is where all these people get their spin and narratives from. Some of it is from shows like Alex or Tucker. But more often than not, those shows are just covering bullshit that someone else posted on social media the day before. That's true. What Matt is saying is that to stay up to date on what's popular in the fringe, right wing media, it's really important to obsessively monitor social media so you can see the trends and how various conspiracies are performing. That way you can pick which ones are the best for you to adopt and champion and which don't really get people excited. Yeah,

Jordan (01:10:51.000)

we market research, which is absolutely nothing like a regular old influencer, that we all know all the time from Instagram or wherever you are.

Dan (01:10:58.000)

Right. And or the the sort of the alternative is like just trying to put a high minded explanation on why you are obsessed with with social media. Yeah, like trying to rationalize your addiction to scrolling.

Jordan (01:11:12.000)

Yeah, it's either that or you're like, you're trying to make tic tock videos for money. That's, that's what you do. Okay, fine, man.

Dan (01:11:19.000)

Yeah. So we know Alex, he believes that negative consequences are an indication of virtue. Yeah. And the way that he always talks about it is that back in the day, the fighter pilots would go wherever the flak is, that's where you go, right? You didn't have radar, you'd fly over the flak, and that's where you drop your bomb. Right? Alex has talked about this a million times to the point where as he was starting to get into the he starts telling a story about his grandfather, being a pilot, and I was like, this is gonna end up with him talking about you go over the flag to drop your bombs. Yeah, it's just you can hear it coming a mile away. Yeah. So Alex gets down this path, and then he starts crying. This is really his

Jordan (01:11:59.000)

grandfather is because he's talking about his Nazi grandfather. I'm not

Dan (01:12:03.000)

sure but this is just this was very upsetting got

Alex Jones (01:12:06.000)

both my grandfather's with the Army Air Corps, one flew fighter planes only did a few missions. Crash Landed, coming back into England almost died, flip the plane, you know, wasn't like some super ace or anything. But my dad's volunteer if you have more missions, it was catch 22 to 22, North African Italy, whole nine yards. The Germans attacked her base, North Africa, we mostly die. We have the letters and commendations and metals and dialogue to a cancer my dad's dad, Jerry Jones, not the Dallas Cowboys owner but the point was he they scraped her base, shot him up, blew him up. He had concussions. The next day, their plane flies out he's not the captain anymore. It blows up over Italy. And he had guilt today died. So he had like 18 missions and he rehabs for a whole nother 22 missions and then rehabs for hole and they finally pulled him and said no, we're gonna make you a manager once he invaded Italy to run like the the feeding the troops thing as an officer but the point was, is that researching what those be 17 pilots he flew a liberator at first it'll be 17 Was

Alex Jones (01:13:15.000)

you went didn't have radar back then. It just been developed, it wasn't in Europe, you went to where the flak was you went to where the attack was. So they would see all these panels exploding and all the shrapnel and they would steer into those hundreds of planes into the shrapnel into the attack to then drop their bombs. And so the US troops could take out the tank fields and take out the the factories and everything. And the Russians didn't have that. So they lost 20 million troops. The US lost, you know, less than a million because they sent the Army Air Corps and but the reason I tell that story is that's what we're doing. We're going in over the flak into the attack. And that's what we're doing. And that's why I love the attack. I love it. I'm ready to go to prison. I'm ready to die because this commitment against these people and all these unborn children are all little kids are trying to get the shots to and all the evil they're doing if we could stand up for them and be men right now. We're gonna save our lives I feel that

Dan (01:14:17.000)

that pause was and their response is I feel that my

Jordan (01:14:24.000)

role I get you you gotta get that radar bro.

Dan (01:14:28.000)

Alex, are you all right? Yeah, you're breaking down into tears. That bro. Talking about something? That is a boring thing you say? Like almost every day all the time?

Jordan (01:14:43.000)

Yeah. All the time.

Dan (01:14:44.000)

Something's wrong, man. Yeah,

Jordan (01:14:47.000)

I think I don't know. It just sounds like he might have something bad might have happened to him recently. I think

Dan (01:14:54.000)

could be it could be the laryngitis could be Yeah, that's probably learned. So here is Where I guess I would start a bit of a content warning, warning. Yeah, he, Matt gets into some of his ideas about LGBTQ stuff. And maybe some of this is pretty bad. He had some bad ideas. Yeah. Sounds like seems like a real piece of shit. Great. This will be most of the rest of the episode, I believe. So. Click. Also, I want to say this as some cold comfort perhaps. That is that you really get the sense that towards the end of this Alex's had about enough of this guy.

Jordan (01:15:33.000)

Oh, yeah. All right. Okay, that's good.

Dan (01:15:36.000)

I do think that he's a little annoyed. And maybe it's just because like, hey, you know what? This guy came to prominence by yelling for a couple minutes at a board meeting. You don't want to talk to him for an hour.

Jordan (01:15:49.000)

Maybe the reason you're not guesting on people's show is because they don't want you to yell Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer or because you don't have matured, it's because you have nothing else to say.

Dan (01:16:00.000)

And when you do venture into other topics, you sound like a fucking, like an insane who end up with these bizarre analogies. And then

Jordan (01:16:08.000)

All right, so football game, right? Yeah. So

Dan (01:16:11.000)

here, he has a take on hormone therapy.

Matt Baker (01:16:14.000)

Let's talk about hormone therapy. Hormone therapy. Everything's a double edged sword. Right? I mean, is it evil to have hormone therapy? Is it bad? Is it good? Let's put it this way. When somebody goes into the doctor, and they say, you know, your blood sugar is too hot. To give them insulin to bring it? Yeah. Hey, when they say, you know, your blood pressure is too high. You're gonna have a heart attack. That gives them something to bring it? Yeah. When you have a son, and he's acting a little fruity. And you're like, Oh, this guy, maybe we should give him some more estrogen. Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that maybe there should be an actual hormone therapy because of all of the endocrine disruptors that are destroying the the gonads of the male to say if you have a fruity son, maybe he doesn't need hormone therapy. Maybe give him just a little taste of testosterone and see how he feels when he looks at a woman. Give him a little taste and see if he wants to be a little fussy sitting around taking crack

Alex Jones (01:17:16.000)

him what he was designed to do

Dan (01:17:17.000)

Jesus. So leaving aside how stupid and offensive that is. It should be pointed out that these people like Alex and Matt clearly don't have an actual problem with hormone therapy. Their only actual complaint is that they want to restrict its use so it holds up their narrow and bigoted worldviews. If taken at face value. Matt isn't just talking about trans people here. He's also suggesting that if a parent suspect their son is gay, they should give him testosterone to make them like women. This even goes past a lot of the Info Wars style talking points where it's fair game to delegitimize trans existence. This is bordering on suggesting that being gay isn't even a real thing. It's just the gay men don't have enough testosterone. I guess lesbians don't have enough estrogen or something. I'm not entirely sure Matt doesn't elaborate on this point. Also, most hormone therapy is used to treat side effects of things like menopause and often is a part of cancer treatments. I wonder if Matt's worried about how one possible approach that you can take for prostate cancer is using CYP 17 inhibitors, which decrease your levels of androgen, you know, you might want to treat the cancer, but what if it makes you fruity in the process? These are not serious people. And their ideas don't deserve to be taken seriously. The only thing that's even real here is the damage that their political movement can do to members of the LGBTQ community, and how that needs to be pushed back against aggressively but in terms of like what he's saying, this is this means nothing. He's just saying things. I mean,

Jordan (01:18:43.000)

okay. Disregarding the content of what he's saying, Ah, let's just focus on what he's doing. Alright. He's saying that if there is a blood pressure, whatever, there's a thing, right. And he accepts that a doctor will prescribe that thing for its use correctly, he just blanket accepts that. All right, then there's another thing diabetes, insulin, he blanket accepts that insulin does the thing that it is supposed to do. Now, he asks the question, why do we not do something similar in this situation? There is an answer to that question. There is an answer that you could go find. You could go find the answer about fucking insulin to but you just accept that the answer to insulin is true, because that's what you've been raised to believe is true, despite the fact that you're a fucking moron.

Dan (01:19:34.000)

Drew, and you have no idea how correct you are. Because this continues, of course, and Matt seems to suggest that parents should drug their children.

Jordan (01:19:46.000)

That's another thing that that idea of like giving them a little taste we need to addict our children to offensively, ogling women a little we need to give them a taste of Oakley. What the fuck?

Dan (01:19:59.000)

Yeah, it's all weird, but he also thinks that you should do it even without their consent or awareness right there. This is cool.

Jordan (01:20:06.000)

I bet he has chills. I'm not joking.

Matt Baker (01:20:08.000)

This is a serious thing I'm talking about, like, please, does anybody

Alex Jones (01:20:12.000)

consider you Bertrand Russell said, we'll use hormones, and injections and diet to control people and they've done it.

Matt Baker (01:20:19.000)

If your son is, I don't know if the testosterone boost works. And I'm, I'm not a doctor, I'm just saying, let's say you know, you had a son who was acting a little fruity and maybe you just accidentally put some testosterone boosting his fruity pebbles or something, like you're really going to let your kid become a little, a little When, when, when, when a wimpy woman doesn't feel happy being wimpy. And so she takes us on and becomes a tough

Alex Jones (01:20:43.000)

guy. They call it toxic masculinity, but we're designed to be leaders and do that.

Dan (01:20:48.000)

Honestly, he sounds a lot like someone who blows glass that I may like, you know, the you would run into, you know, maybe, maybe he's a guy who accidentally ended up in a smoke circle with and then you're like, I'm not gonna hang out with that guy ever again. Yeah, sounds like a fucking idiot.

Jordan (01:21:05.000)

I mean, it sounds a lot like this guy wants to create some sort of master race using biological weapons on them without their consent.

Dan (01:21:13.000)

Sure, yeah. If you're a parent, and you arbitrarily decide that your kid your son isn't masculine enough, maybe, because you have decided that you think he's gay or something like that, then you put put hormones in his food, in order to make him into what you want him to

Jordan (01:21:31.000)

be. Yeah, that's going to tell you what, I'll tell you what later on in life, that's going to foster a really good parent child relationship.

Dan (01:21:39.000)

Also, for somebody who was screaming at the San Diego board about the Nuremberg Code, oh, shit and the ideas of informed consent. I do think that maybe drugging your child in their, their food, maybe runs counter to that a little

Jordan (01:21:55.000)

bit about people. I own them. The Bible says so. Right.

Dan (01:21:58.000)

Okay, maybe a little consistency, Matt. Yeah. So I mean, this gets worse. And that sucks. He has even worse opinions and worse things to say. But like, honestly, what do you expect? Like he's just someone whose only claim to fame is looking. Interesting. And as much as he has dreadlocks, yeah. And screaming at a pub, like a board meeting. Like that's not somebody who has any reason to be listened to on issues that are outside of anything he's ever explored. Anything he has any awareness of, right? He's just a fucking idiot, and should be treated as such.

Jordan (01:22:39.000)

It's the it's the old it's the old adage, it's like anybody who wants power is the last person who should have it, you know, and it's very much like anybody who wants attention like this should not get attention like this. Yeah. Yeah, that's just the reality of it. And

Dan (01:22:53.000)

quite frankly, most outlets would never give him the time of day. That's why Infowars is like bottom of the barrel shit.

Jordan (01:23:03.000)

That's why That's what it's there for. Yeah. Oh my God. Don't even do an Infowars you're doing this podcast.

Dan (01:23:09.000)

We're so thrilled for the third episode of my dumb not related to free speech systems show lately unrelated to free so we're gonna have this guy who fucking screamed at a meeting. Oh, man, we have our high profile guests. Yeah, boy. So anyway, we have one last clip here. And like I said, I think I think Matt wore out his welcome a little bit in terms of just be not like he pissed off Alex, but just like, Alex seems to disengage a bit. And I don't think Alex like this that much.

Matt Baker (01:23:38.000)

I want to just break everybody's mind. Because everyone says Alex Jones and I look alike. Now. I don't want to like, it's crazy. But Bill Hicks is actually my brother in law. Now, if you can believe that, or not, I actually used to look just like Alex Jones. I don't like just like Alex Jones. But then sounds I started taking the beard and hair formula. And dude,

Matt Baker (01:24:05.000)

overnight, it is amazing.

Matt Baker (01:24:07.000)

I mean, I just grew these massive hair ever because before I couldn't even really join the movement because everyone was just telling me I was Bill Hicks. But now I'm like, it's his whole

Matt Baker (01:24:17.000)

own thing.

Dan (01:24:21.000)

You know, who so

Jordan (01:24:24.000)

good bit get back on the open mic scene buddy. Good bit,

Dan (01:24:27.000)

weaved it into a plug for the hair and beard formula Rhonda, which is smooth. And yeah, honestly, the only reason Alex is interested in this guy at all is because everyone said that he's like, like board meeting Alex Jones. Yeah. And like there's this similarity and I think I don't know Alex probably feels the need to coop that a little bit or get it close to him. So it's not some other thing

Jordan (01:24:51.000)

I would be. I mean, there were some clips that you played where if I was Alex, I would be like, are you parroting me? Are you fucking with me right now because there were some parts where he's like, Okay, imagine this Yep, imagine this okay, you know he's doing that thing which is clearly

Dan (01:25:08.000)

I've seen I've seen enough of the like little videos that he does that I don't think it's parity

Jordan (01:25:14.000)

right I think he's just doing an absolute dead on terrible impression. Well, I mean,

Dan (01:25:19.000)

certainly Alex does terrible comedy and mind control to Major scam is certainly that's up there. That's

Jordan (01:25:27.000)

a that's a fentanyl the magic dragon if I ever heard it. Yeah, yeah,

Dan (01:25:31.000)

I don't know if fentanyl doesn't he songs though. Anyway, this

Jordan (01:25:36.000)

lecture we're excited about it like is a different

Dan (01:25:40.000)

this does not bode well for Alex's show.

Jordan (01:25:43.000)

Oh, man. A lot of people like to come out the gate strong. You know, if you're not a new podcast if you've already got connections. Yeah. And you're starting a new show. You come out strong. Yeah, you know, get people's attention, get some subscribers, then you got to keep them going for like a good five or six episodes before you have maybe a matt Baker on to suck your show to garbage down.

Dan (01:26:04.000)

Yeah, and this didn't even I'm looking at it. Now. This hasn't even topped 200,000 views. So like, you know, maybe a tiny bit of growth over the last one, but certainly not. Not doing the kind of numbers you really need it to. I think in order to make this this worthwhile. Hello, I'm looking at Alex's channel itself. And I don't know maybe I overestimated his views. Because I'm scrolling through here now and like his own show is only like getting 200 or so 1000 views.

Jordan (01:26:39.000)

It's because he shadow banned or it could be because he's shadow banned on his own website.

Dan (01:26:44.000)

He's clearly given indication that he's abandoning the do anyway, come to the end of this. This sucks. Matt sucks. really disappointed me because I really I thought he was just going to be a fun weird, boring guy doing an Alex Jones impression. It turns out he

Jordan (01:27:06.000)

he's not fun. No, he is boring. Yeah. I don't even know if he's weird. So much is just pathetic. Yep. Well,

Dan (01:27:14.000)

I think I think what makes it pathetic, certainly, or at least amplifies it. Is that delusion? That he's something more than a guy who had Yeah, viral video. Yeah. And now has been on a couple of super low hanging fruit shows. I think that kind of like I'm, I'm somebody Yeah, you know, is a little bit. A bit of a

Jordan (01:27:43.000)

bummer. Yeah. I mean, in my comedy career, every time I've taken another step, you know, I've been I've celebrated obviously, you know, you go from being an open mic er, to doing a show. Step. Yeah. But that's not like, Alright, man. Now I'm fucking there. Yeah, I'm the guy. Like, you're doing local shows, man.

Dan (01:28:02.000)

I think if we're, you know, for talking about it, and that sort of framework, the way to navigate that kind of space is to keep your head down. Totally. And work. Yeah. And I don't see that from Matt.

Jordan (01:28:15.000)

working as hard as hard. I put 10 years and

Dan (01:28:20.000)

I see him failing, anyway.

Jordan (01:28:26.000)

Well, I mean, what when you have a true lack of talent, like he does, yeah, yeah.

Dan (01:28:31.000)

A real real high level lack of

Jordan (01:28:33.000)

religion. C'est quoi? Oh, actually, I do know.

Dan (01:28:38.000)

Nothing. So we'll be back for another episode. But until then, we have oops, we do indeed. It's

Jordan (01:28:44.000)

not let's write DICOM. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are it's acknowledged underscore fight.

Dan (01:28:49.000)

Yeah, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm dz X Clarke. I don't know. I just really liked this sound effect. Oh, you know

Steve Quayle (01:28:56.000)

what? And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy In Kansas (01:28:59.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.