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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are Dan

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The king of the south

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Uh, is he the king of the south?

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The clean south, not the dirty south

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The clean south, not the, well I mean obviously we know the king of the dirty south is

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Who's that?

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Uh, Nas

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Oh okay, wait, isn't he from New York?

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Yep, that's why he's from the dirty south

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Wait, I thought it'd be like Lil' Jon or Master P or something

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Well, Master P is the court jester of the dirty south my friend

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He would not appreciate that at all

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The ice cream man's gonna fuck you up

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I'm just making it weird

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Alright

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Uh, yeah, Dan

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Speaking of which, people are confused about your dislike of Pete Holmes

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Oh yeah, it'll be fine

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Dan?

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Yes

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Quick question for you

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, I guess it's sort of a mixed bag bright spot

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And that is that I'm seeing on Twitter, just as we're starting to record this episode

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That apparently the mighty mighty boss tones have broken up

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Oh no!

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After many many years of being out there

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Only 20 years after I remembered them last

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Yes, after years and years, decades of them being bad and plaid

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They've decided to hang up the old skankin' shoes

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Well, I'm sorry

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Well, no, I mean it's, you know, obviously on the one hand I'm a big fan

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Have been since my childhood, although I will say I have not listened to most of their newer albums

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But I am a big fan of their earlier catalog, certainly

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And, you know, it's bittersweet a little bit, but I did get to see them at Riot Fest

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True

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So I did get to see them before they broke up, which is, I guess, a win

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I mean, yeah, yeah

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It's better than, like, to hear this news and be like, wow, I guess I'll never

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Hey, they're gonna do a reunion tour

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You're gonna be able to see them at 5 p.m. at a casino someday, Dan

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You're gonna be okay

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To be fair, I might have seen them at 5 p.m. at Riot Fest

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But, like, yeah, it is, at least my childhood self got to have that, like, experience

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Validate that

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Thanks, thanks, Boss Tones

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Yeah, that's lovely, that's lovely

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I had a similar experience in the reverse

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I could have seen James Brown with my college girlfriend at the time

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He was doing a local concert there

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Not your current college girlfriend?

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No, no, no, she's different

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But for some reason I decided not to go

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I can't remember the exact specifics of it

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Week later he was dead

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Shit

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Yeah, right? How much of a bummer is that?

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That is a bummer, that is a bummer

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Yeah, and then you find out later he was murdered?

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Oh, no

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Yes, shit's real

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And then you've got to solve the crime

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I've been trying

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You've got to put on your Sherlock Holmes hat, not your Pete Holmes hat

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Figure out this mystery

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Absolutely

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So what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot, Dan, was gonna be the return of Saga, which is

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I thought your bright spot was gonna be finally the Boss Tones have broken up

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It's about time

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Yeah, I know, Saga?

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I've been waiting for that day

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Saga, it's a really, really great graphic novel by Brian K. Vaughan, who's a really good writer

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But the artwork is done by Fiona Staples and she is beyond great in this book

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It was going to be that

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Oh

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But then Tuesday night the heat died in my place

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Okay

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And I don't know if you recall, it was about negative eight degrees outside

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It was, yeah, in that ballpark

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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And I didn't get it, we didn't get it fixed until Wednesday at like one in the afternoon

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Hmm

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So my bright spot is having heat again

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That is nice

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It's amazingly good

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I'm imagining you and your partner made like pillow forts

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Oh, everything

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Like pulling blankets out of, oh yeah, yeah, yeah

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And also like obviously this is one of the downsides

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Like I texted you when you were going through that

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I was like, well, I mean this is part of the bad part about homeownership

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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That's a little

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Because your partner owns the condo and like, you know, you don't get to yell at a landlord

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I know, I know

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It's rough

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And I was alone whenever the repair guy came and he was like, do you know how old this thing is?

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And I was like, no, and he was like, it's still mad at Reagan

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And I was like, this is bad, this is not good

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Yeah, but also don't lecture me about it

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Yeah, no kidding, I hate Reagan too

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So Jordan, today we got an episode to go over

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We're gonna be talking about Monday of this week, this past week, January 24th, 2022

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2022

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Indeed

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We'll get something for that

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I doubt it

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Okay

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So this is an episode where Alex, of course, he talks about how he talked to the January 6th committee

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I think everybody was pretty interested to hearing how that went

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Yes, yes

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And I don't know, we'll figure it out

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He played the fifth

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Apparently

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Yeah, I heard that

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That's the big news that's been making the rounds

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Yeah

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We'll talk a little bit about that, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks

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Oh, that's a great idea

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So first, Nick Walbank, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Nick

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Thank you, next, Jen and Steve, escapees of Ocala, Florida, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you, next, 2022, Blackjack, you busted

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Oh, I get it, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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I get it, wasn't it part of the name?

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Right

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Just, I got it that you busted, I get it

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Yeah, yeah

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I didn't realize that when I wrote down the name

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I gotcha

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Clever

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Next, Logan is my favorite X-file, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you, next, the STL grass dad, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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And we got a technocrat in the mix, you're not gonna like this, Jordan

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Uh oh

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Uh, Pete Holmes is my spirit animal, thank you so much, you are now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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I have risen above my enemies, I might quit tomorrow actually

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I'm just gonna take a little breaky now, a little breaky for me

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And then we're going to come back and I'm gonna start the show over

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But I'm the devil, I gotta be taking all the hair off, you know all this blah blah blah

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Fuck you, fuck you, I got plenty of words for you but at the end of the day

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Fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast, maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again

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That's really what I want to do, I never want to come back here again

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air

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I'll be better tomorrow

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You may be, so yeah thank you

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Yes thank you very much

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Jordan, I mean like I have no beef necessarily with Pete Holmes

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I don't know if you want to explain your very scandalousness

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I mean I'm surprised that it got this much backlash for some reason

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I did not know that Pete Holmes' lack of ability to write is a good thing for a lot of people

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Wow

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Yeah that's right, I'm coming hard at Pete Holmes today

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I think you need to put some lettuce and some cheese

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I need a lawyer!

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Yeah well done

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Wow okay, the views of Jordan do not necessarily reflect the views of Knowledge Fight LLC

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We've talked Pete Holmes in the past

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So Jordan, like I said today, 24th

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At the beginning of this week news broke that Alex had met virtually with the January 6th committee

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and the buzz that was going around was that he had pled the 5th about a hundred times

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When I first saw the news going around my first question that I had was like

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what information is being used to back up this reporting?

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I looked around and I read some articles in the mainstream media about the story

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and all of them just relied on comments that Alex made on his own show

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That's what I was reading that

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He pled the 5th over a hundred times

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I was like Alex said that, you guys are stupid

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Yeah

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Yeah

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CNN said quote

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A source familiar with the investigation confirmed the meeting to CNN

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but that really just means that the meeting happened

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Not that any of the ways that Alex characterized the meeting were accurate

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The CNN article in particular just seems like a partial transcription of Alex's show

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And all the other articles are the same

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They just rely on Alex's show and the claims that he made on it

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I guess there's not really any other information they could be going off of

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since I don't think that these interviews are public

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particularly not while this whole thing is still ongoing

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Sure

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So here's the deal

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I'm going to cover this episode but I want to do it with the largest grain of salt

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any human has ever imagined

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Alex is a flagrant liar

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so I have no interest in just taking his word about everything he says concerning

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a meeting with the House committee that he thinks is trying to overthrow the country

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Right

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One of the biggest problems is that I don't actually trust Alex's ability

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to comprehend information he receives or questions he's asked

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So that calls into question his telling of the thing I'm most interested in

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knowing about this meeting with the committee which is what they asked him

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Knowing what they asked would help give some sense of what direction they're heading in

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and what Alex should be worried about

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Having a solid sense of that will have to wait

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and I guess the best we've got for now is Alex's dicey retelling of what happened

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so that's what we're gonna go with

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I was reading some of those because you know normally we

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That's against the rules

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Exactly normally it's against the rules but it was like fucking everywhere

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and I couldn't avoid it even the headlines were showing up

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Alex played the fifth a hundred times so I read every one of them

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and every one of them might as well have been like

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we're taking noted liar at face value

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I do

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It was fucking stupid

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I don't know if it's stupid because I think like if you're gonna write a story about this

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and maybe it is newsworthy that's what you have to do

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but I do think a better job could have been done to really highlight

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uh all this could be bullshit

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Yeah absolutely we've I mean especially the day after we do deposition episodes

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and we've done plenty of deposition episodes in the past

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I think we know how Alex talks whenever the shit's real

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Now that's a good point but I also think that we do need to be careful

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because the depositions that we've seen are civil depositions

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about a case that he is clearly not concerned or have any respect for

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True

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The way he might respond to talking to a congressional committee

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where he could be in legal jeopardy

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Sure

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I think he might behave differently

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I'm not ready to make the assumption that he would behave exactly the same but he might

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I'm I'm I'm not necessarily saying he would behave exactly the same but

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his his bombastic retelling of how he behaves is 100% suspect

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True true and yeah I guess that is really the point is that we don't know

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We don't know

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And that that should be uh kept in mind as we as we go over this stuff

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Yes

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So we're going to start here on uh the 24th and uh boo boo from the jump

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Here we are my friends on this Monday January 24th 2022 transmission

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I just had a very intense experience uh being interrogated by the January 6 committee lawyers

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They were polite uh but they were dogged and I take the whole process very very seriously

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because I know that Adam Schiff is a forger and has been caught faking emails and misquoting

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President Trump and uh you know claiming that oh here here he is ordering the president of Ukraine

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Here's a transcript of him telling the president of Ukraine uh that he's a mafia don

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He better follow his orders

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This is stupid and Alex is just talking about the parody version of a transcript

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of a call between Trump and the Ukrainian president Zelensky

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At the time my position like when Schiff did that my position was that it was a bit dramatic

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on his part and a really bad optical move because how easy it would be to attack him

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just the way Alex has sense

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Yeah

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But I also don't think that it's fair to say that he was trying to pass off what he was

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saying as an actual transcript of Trump's call

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No

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That's kind of dumb

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Yeah

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It's really clear that that was not the intention and the folks like Alex who pretend that it was

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are misunderstanding that on purpose so they can attack Schiff for being a forger

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instead of just being a bit dramatic

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Yeah

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This is really dumb but it does provide an excuse for why Alex the very innocent person

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should be afraid of testifying before the committee

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He's so innocent but that doesn't matter because

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Schiff's just going to create fake documents like he did with Trump

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It's really fascinating that Alex constantly goes on about wanting his day in court where

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he can be vindicated and the establishment will have to recognize that he's been

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right all along and power will tremble before him

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but every time he has the opportunity there's some kind of an excuse for why he just

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whiffs and doesn't prove anything

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All of the Sandy Hook depositions would have been ideal times for him to stand behind his claims

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and at very least demonstrate that even though we know them to be wrong now

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he had reason to believe that these claims were correct when he said them

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and every time he just mumbles I don't know or tries to change the subject rambling about how

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he's a victim

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Now here he is testifying in front of a congressional committee and well

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he could tell the big truths to power and stand up like a man in the arena like he

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always calls himself but he has this fake story about Adam Schiff that's got him too

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worried to talk

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It's such bullshit this entire character he puts on is a fraud

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No come on everybody knows because we've we've seen this throughout history in the past

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You know truth tellers have gone up against kangaroo courts so many times and because

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they're going up against kangaroo courts all they really do is quit and give up because

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what's the point of fighting back you know there's nothing more noble than giving in

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to the powers that be

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Yeah I think that the the folks that I think I respect more who have principles would be

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like well I'm gonna go in there I'm gonna speak my peace I'm gonna tell the truth and

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whatever consequences may come

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Sure are you know the political consequence of me telling the truth

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Sure sure you know like tax that sounds like a socialist in

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Well tax protesters who you know withhold taxes because they believe that what the

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government's doing is wrong vis-a-vis wars and things like that right they often end

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up having consequences and they have to accept those consequences as part of their activism

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You bet

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And then you have people who are tax protesters like Alex's friends who do the opposite and

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that's kind of how I feel about Alex's whole whole posture towards you know testifying

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Yeah it's the stolen valor uh unlike the stolen valor of wearing army medals and bullshit

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when you haven't earned them it's the the valor of uh somebody who's actually fighting

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power and and they're not doing it

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Yeah like I said his character's a fraud

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Yeah completely

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So um Alex you know he's learned over the course of his career and I would say our last

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episode proves that is not true

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No it's true

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Uh man this is dumb

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You know I personally became became very popular on the radio very very early that's a lot of

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power to have and I was always doing it really for the right reasons but I still made mistakes

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and and I still hurt people in the process but it was done from a place of trying to be good and

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I've certainly learned as I've gotten older to be more careful with the power I wield especially

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as that power has increased that is not the normal process with the type of people that

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actually seek power most people would seek to be on the radio and tv so they could be

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famous because they couldn't get a job in Hollywood but I was

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offered the big jobs in Hollywood and turned them down

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Star Lord

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Because I genuinely wanted to be with the people in the common populace

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and that's really my goal uh but that said it's been my own process of learning

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how I've been wrong that has helped me grow up and really see what's wrong with the people that

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are controlling our planet selfish arrogant hateful disconnected from God

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Just just ridiculous

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Wow wow wow just really described himself right there selfish hateful disconnected from God

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I I find it like in terms of my um engagement with Alex and my understanding of him through

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various periods of his career I think one of the more offensive things he can say in terms of like

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just blatant disregard for the truth is I've learned things

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Yeah yeah yeah like period the end I learn period is a lie

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Categorically not yeah and and you know also disrespectful is the notion that like

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I did things that hurt people but I was trying to be good

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I was it was in the service of good

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It's such shit

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I mean you know it's it's fun it's fun whenever he describes like uh you know I I've I've learned

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and I've changed and I've grown and it's been my mistakes that have allowed me to realize what's

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wrong with the people in power despite the fact that he said the exact same thing about them

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since he was 11 years old and read his first John Butch John Birch Society book

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Yeah

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You know it's he didn't change a goddamn thing

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No but I think that this is what people uh who have learned things say and so he's sort of

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parroting that yes yeah he's mirroring that because it makes it seem like he's actually

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had the experiences that he wants the audience

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Right

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To feel like he's had which he has not he's had the the opposite

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Maybe he just has forgotten how to start every sentence with you know like maybe

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he actually is a parrot maybe he was

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On our last episode we heard that he talks about how his he puts those pages in front of him

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That's true

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And he eats it like a parrot

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It's true

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So maybe we're onto something

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I probably put pages on the floor of his office

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He's a satanic parrot

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So uh look I was not looking forward to a whole episode of listening to Alex

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I had had enough

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Yeah

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Basically you know four hour episode

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We did a lot of listening to Alex

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I didn't want to jump right back in

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Right

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And thankfully Alex gave me much like uh the people of Nineveh as Alex says

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He gave me a reprieve

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Okay

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Huge show lined up for you today I promise to take my four-year-old daughter camping for months

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I'm about to take a couple days off and take her camping I come up about 30 minutes

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Owen Schroyer takes over but first I've got a lot of big news to hit stay with us

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I thought his daughter wanted to go to an amusement park but that trip got cancelled

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Because Alex's financial information was reported in the Huffington Post

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So he wanted to make a couple million dollars out of spite

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Yeah

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I guess he wants to go camping now

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Anyway Alex has been out of the studio for the last couple days after this episode

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And Owen's been hosting which is a mess

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Just think about what Owen's got on his plate

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He's hosting Alex's show then has to do his show afterwards

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So that's like six hours of talking with just one hour of a break in between

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Where in this this episode Gerald Cilenti hosted the fourth hour

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That is tough

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There's no one on earth who has six hours of interesting things to say in a day

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And if there is a person it's not Owen

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So Alex leaves a half an hour into the show which gives us like a nice

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Actually he spent he is there for the first hour

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Sure

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But he means to be there for half an hour

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Right right right right

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And then he's out of here

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He's got senioritis today

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Yeah so Alex comes back from break

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And he reiterates that he has just got done talking to these committee lawyers

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And I just ended it a little less than an hour ago

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My testimony via Cisco Systems

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I guess it wasn't Zoom or Skype a connection an interview

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I guess testimony depositions the word with the January 6th committee

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And it was extremely interesting to say the least

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I wrote some notes here that I just want to get out of the way

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Because it is newsworthy and important and then I'm going to move on to the other big news

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And Owen Schroyer is coming in to take over because I again I'm taking my four and a half year old daughter

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Heading to the woods baby

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Oh yeah

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That's what I would do too

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Oh it's a great time to get to the woods

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I would run to the woods

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It's a great time to get to the woods

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And this also brings up that when our episode dropped

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If there is any kind of a response from Alex we won't know because he's in the woods

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So he had some time

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I would be building a puebla if I were him

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I would be south of the border

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Building a redoubt of some sort

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Absolutely

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So Alex gets talking here about his meeting and he decided of course gonna plead the fifth

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But his reasons and his understanding of the constitution seem a little bit weird here

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Okay

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But I said this my lawyer told me almost a hundred times today

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During the interrogation on advice of counsel I am asserting my fifth amendment right to remain

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Silent and the media tells you that's because you're guilty or because you're going to

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Incriminate yourself but but it's also just because it could be used to try to incriminate

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You and twist something against you

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Adam Schiff is famous for creating fake quotes and fake transcripts and fake emails and fake

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Text messages and fake conversations with people

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Oh I wonder if you brought that up to Adam Schiff in the uh in the testimony

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I would assume so

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Yeah like oh I'm not comfortable answering

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To his face

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I'm not comfortable answering these questions because you're a known forger-er

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Right yeah that's a way to I would assume that's how he opened

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In order to make sure that this was a collegial atmosphere

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I mean if he wants to really get take things uh seriously and deal with the the reality

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It should be combat

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So we've discussed the fifth amendment in a recent episode where Alex is threatening

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To plead the fifth so getting too far into it again would be a waste

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I don't want to do that yeah but this is a very inaccurate interpretation of what that amendment

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Allows the fifth amendment allows Alex to not answer questions that he has a reasonable belief

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Uh where that the answers would lead to providing evidence that could be used against him in another

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Potential case for instance if you were testifying about a murder you witnessed while you were in the

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Middle of committing a robbery you could plead the fifth about details of why you were there

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Where you were when you witnessed this murder but you could still answer questions about seeing the

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Murder right right right the entire thing is about protecting a person for being forced to be a

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Witness against themselves if Alex's interpretation of the fifth amendment were applied across the

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Board the legal system in this country would collapse and there just would never be any reason

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To call any witnesses who would be opposed to the goal of the investigation people who had

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Information about deeply illegal things would never have any concern about subpoenas because

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They could just plead the fifth to everything instead of risking lying to congress

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If the standard for being allowed to use the fifth was that you were vaguely concerned about someone

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Misusing your words because of something as flimsy as a dumb misrepresentation of a years-old

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Right-wing talking point there would be no reason to have anybody testify ever again no no that's

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Why they send those subpoenas out so the people who get subpoenaed will have to show up to say

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I plead the fifth and not answer any of their questions it makes everything so much more

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Important this is a child's interpretation of the fifth amendment and I do think that if anything

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Alex's actions are more likely to cause him to be censured or referred for contempt charges because

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It's just not reasonable to assume that he had a legitimate concern that answering any of those

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100 questions would lead him to providing evidence against himself in a different potential

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Prosecution it's just a bizarre misuse of the fifth how long have you known Stuart Rhodes for

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I plead the fifth an alternative is that Alex has an almost cartoonishly sprawling crime empire and

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Answering any questions about how anything in his life and business work would lead to proof of a

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Crime I would guess he'd rather not that not be the impression that he's sending but it's not a

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Totally unfair reading of the actions that he's taking listen I've never met any of the people

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Who work for me before right see I there's a part of me that wonders if like he legitimately did

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Plead the fifth to all of these things I think it's a possibility I think it's an abuse of the

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Amendment and I think he'll probably end up I don't think he'll get arrested or anything for it

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No but I do think that he could run into some kind of a fine or something maybe but like the

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Alternative is I do see it as entirely possible that he didn't plead the fifth a bunch because I

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Don't think his lawyers would tell him to like I mean he has bad lawyers yeah but still I don't I

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Don't think that they would be like hey here's here's how this thing works in the constitution

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But it actually doesn't work this way right I would say that if I were Alex and I had close

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Relationships with a lot of militia people I would not want to go on my show and say I told the

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Congressional committee everything that I know I told them names dude I gave them where they live

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I gave them how many guns they bought from me I snitched hard I snitched like a motherfucker

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Yeah I mean in terms of like a forward-facing thing for Alex again his fraudulent personality

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This is exactly the thing you would want to say I don't know I mean again because we don't have any

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Word from any source other than Alex I'm not totally convinced that is actually what he did

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Totally and at the same time if I knew a bunch of militia members I wouldn't be surprised if giving

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Away information to the congressional committee eventually wound up being a crime on my part of

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Some sort you know I know too much yeah so Alex look I mean there's just a disrespect that he has

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For well I mean basically all legal proceedings that are uh things he doesn't like so you can't

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Walk in to something like that with people like that I don't know who these lawyers are running it

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Uh I don't know if they're good people or bad people they came out was polite and nice so

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They're bad people predators like Schiff back in the background like a moray eel in the rocks ready

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To come out and eat you uh then there's no reason to even dignify it because it's not legitimate

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You can see here how Alex operates any case that's inconvenient for him or that is illustrating the

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Negative space that he lives in will always be determined to not be legitimate there's so many

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Stupid conspiracies and right-wing talking points Alex can fall back on so anytime he's looking down

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The barrel of consequences he can just pull out one of these and try to save face to the audience

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For the way he cowered instead of engaging with the process he's got this made-up story about

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Adam Schiff so this committee this committee is illegitimate he's decided in his head that he

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Followed all the discovery processes in the sandy hook case so that default judgment is illegitimate

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None of these cases are illegitimate at all what they actually are is threatening to Alex so he

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Needs to delegitimize them to his listeners lest they realize the scams that he's running on them

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Right and uh that's that's how the oh that's how the cow ate the cabbage as Alex would say

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I think the only uh trial that Alex would see as legitimate is the Benghazi hearings is one where

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He was charged with being too much of a hero right perhaps the most hero anybody's ever been and they

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Were like that's a crime sir you're too much of a hero you've saved too many lives this uh this

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Process is illegitimate so uh Alex talked to these people their questions are legit

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And man he wanted to answer oh who doesn't yeah who wants to yeah that said

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The questions were overall pretty reasonable uh and I wanted to answer the questions but at the

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Same time what's your favorite ice cream it's a good thing I didn't because I'm the type that

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Tries to answer things correctly even if I don't know all the answers and they can then kind of

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Claim that that's perjury because about half the questions I didn't know the answer to and a bunch

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Of more emails I'd never seen and planning things I'd never seen at least from memory

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This dynamic he's describing with how he answers questions he doesn't actually know anything about

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That rings true to me based on his other deposition appearance as we've heard it's not him trying to

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Be helpful though it's an attempt to spin a yarn that explains everything even if that requires

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Making things up it's what he does on his show so it's not surprising that he would carry that over

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Into legal settings as well he has no respect for any case where he's possibly accused of wrongdoing

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And he thinks he's above the law so why would he give a shit about answering questions accurately

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Accuracy is not important utility is and making up stories that I guess kind of explain what people

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Are asking about that is high utility yeah I have some questions about whether or not Alex had seen

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The emails he's referencing here without knowing what the emails are it's hard to tell if they're

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Things that he could have missed but I get the sense that Alex claiming to not use email

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Personally is a strategic decision so he can always claim ignorance if he's ever asked about

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Anything I've seen that email hey Alex we're gonna go overthrow the country lol wanna come

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Um winky face I never use emoticons that was not me so Alex has their questions and I would

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Guess it's not a good idea to read their questions oh I would read those questions

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For sure I think that might be not cool but I don't know I've got their questions here that I

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Obviously couldn't answer under oath because then they could if I said something even halfway wrong

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Put me in prison oh my god this is dangerous of a process but they did have some questions

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That were important if you define things like this I can't imagine a court proceeding that

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Alex couldn't claim was too risky for him to answer questions in if it wasn't a fake concern

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About Schiff it would be another congressperson who has some kind of conspiracy about them

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It's not a real concern it's a cookie cutter fill-in-the-blank excuse for why Alex isn't

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Standing up and taking on the system even though he insists he's totally innocent he's being set up

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And he has all the truth on his side this is kind of like how children rationalize situations that

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Would be threatening to their egos it feels like a kid who thinks that they're really good at

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Basketball explaining that they didn't even try out for the team because the coach doesn't like

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Their dad it's an excuse to not have to confront the reality that metaphorically Alex isn't good

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At basketball and trying out would reveal that publicly and that would hurt his feelings that's

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The vibe I get here yeah and it would really make him look lesser than in the eyes of his uh his

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Inferiors as he sees and this is assuming that he actually did plead the right exactly that's

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Assuming that the telling of this is accurate right so are you telling me that he is going to

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Read these questions and then give the answers that he would have loved not really not really

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Okay he will get around to like addressing a couple of them but he doesn't like go down the

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List which was unfortunate because that'd be so fun I would have liked that information he only

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Only actually addresses a couple and we'll get to those when he does okay before that he's uh

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This to me if true is bad news for Alex but they did have some questions that were important

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Again they have everything that's already on my phones and things because I saw my text messages

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To Caroline Wren and Cindy Shafian and some of the event organizers right there so they already have

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Everything and they already know I didn't do anything I wasn't planning any violence

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I was even talking about everybody should be peaceful if they have that they you got to assume

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Maybe they have even more yeah and uh yeah yeah you know Alex they don't they don't have to give

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You everything they know yet in the in a trial right they will have to give you it's called

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Discovery you've heard of it oh I mean you haven't really heard of it honestly oh he's heard yeah

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Well he's passingly familiar with the concept yeah I think I think that um it would be tough for me

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To believe that there aren't at least a couple of weird messages between him and like Ali

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Alexander or Stuart you know I I don't obviously I wouldn't know what's in that tranche of uh of uh

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Texts and emails but boy I'd love to get my hands on that I would really assume and again we've we've

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Talked too much about Alex's legal proceedings but I would really assume that they are keeping

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Things away from Alex's knowledge in the early going I yeah I mean I think a good strategy with

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Him is absolutely not making clear what you know yeah because if you do then maybe he'll be able to

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Do his thing where he comes up with a fake explanation for why everything is fine uh-huh

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Uh-huh but he's going to do that anyway so if you let him do that with a false or incomplete

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Understanding of the information that you know you can set a trap for him yeah it's not hard which is

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Why maybe he would like to plead the fifth for everything because his behaviors are self self

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Defeating yeah I mean I feel like if I was if I was those lawyers I'd just flatter the shit out of

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Alex and just be like man if you had full power over all of these people I'm sure you would have

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Directed them to stop and none of this would have ever happened since you didn't have full power

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Over them which you should have because you're just so fucking great but since you didn't just let me

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Know what you did do you know because I know I'm telling you it was all good I'm sure it was all

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Good because you're the best and the smartest and uh uh true hero anyways tell me what you were

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Doing and what Stuart Rose was doing we were planning to take over the guy ah gotcha shit

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So there's one particular thing that apparently they asked Alex about that I actually find

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Fascinating uh-huh and that is a little segment on his December 31st 2020 show

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Again I did not know a lot of the questions they asked I had not seen the Matt Bracken clip from

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December 31st 2020 when he was guest hosting because I hadn't watched when he was guest

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Hosting and I had only seen it once they sent me the subpoena a few months ago and quite frankly

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I was shocked by it because I'd never seen Matt Bracken basically call for things like that he

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Was always the opposite he was always saying look out for provocateurs and look out for federal

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Plants and he didn't normally do my show wearing an info war shirt all the background I even noticed

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He's like an info wars guy and then it's six days before January 6th and he's basically um

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Calling for what happened that day but oh he wasn't there that day he was up at the

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Washington monument if you believe him I'm not going to read into whether he's a bad guy whether

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He's a provocateur or whether he just got hyped up any emotion of the time but to answer the

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committee's question hell no I don't support that and that's not what we stand for wait wait wait

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Matt Bracken's antifa what's going on here yep yep I guess uh I guess it turns out Matt Bracken was

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a FBI plant inside info wars deep cover to uh provocateur this whole thing for the last eight

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years for the last eight years at least hidden beneath all of those things that Alex loves so

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much was a desire to overthrow the government so there's something up with Matt Bracken and I can't

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quite figure out what it is so Matt Bracken's been a long time consistent fourth hour host on Alex's

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show and he's been a guest on Alex's show since at least 2016 and he was on with like David Knight

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uh even before that and after June 17th 2021 his appearances just stopped why Bracken was also a

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publisher uh on a he was a blogger on the website American Partisan with bylines going back to 2020

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and then he has no more posts after July 2021 what the shit he's not dead which I can assume

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based on his consistent posting on gab up until even today so that got me thinking what happened

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here's a guy who has an accomplished resume and Alex clearly trusted enough to close out the last

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show of 2020 and he just disappeared I don't want to get too conspiratorial with this but it does

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come to mind that the January 6th committee was formed on July 1st 2021 and that the resolution

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to form it was introduced in the house on June 28th 2021 odds doesn't prove anything but it looks

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weird and if I were on the committee I might ask about that timeline I would think hey what's going

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on here here's a guy who's been on your show for years and years he said hey everyone should storm

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the Capitol on December 31st uh show and uh uh then he he when the committee came around he's

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just gone he's gone you know I have him on anymore he doesn't seem to be there anymore I I don't know

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if there's any relationship with that but I would ask him about it just in case it made him feel

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weird yeah yeah yeah so I thought that since Alex was going camping why not flesh out this episode

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a little by checking in on what Matt Bracken actually said on that December 31st 2020 episode

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of Alex's show he's hosting the fourth hour and I honestly think it's a fairly standard Matt

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Bracken appearance it's a lot of blustery talk about revolution surrounding whatever is the hot

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topic in extreme right-wing circles at the time that's kind of his thing and what he always does

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on Infowars if the main issue is something about racial injustice he'll insist that a race war is

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right around the corner yep if it's gun paranoia narratives that are on top he'll insist that

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they're about to take your guns and you need to be ready to kill people to stop them rise up if it's

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an election conspiracy that's getting the most traffic he'll do a video as he did in 2021 where

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he says it's either the ballot box or the bullet box and if it's a big patriot-themed protest that

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he wants to amplify it's not a surprise that he would be using extremely irresponsible and

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inflammatory language that's what his use is to Infowars and Alex knows that it's you know it's

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just that the shit he's fear-mongered about in the past hasn't come true and unfortunately this time

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he straight up looks like a prophet but the wrong kind of prophet for Infowars

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the kind that makes it look like they were really excited about and promoting the idea that if

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things didn't go their way on January 6th the right wing would need to take over the capital

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anyway let's dive in here with the man himself all right Matt Bracken and actually at the beginning

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of this report he explains why he's wearing an Infowars shirt oh no you know I'm I'm wearing

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an Infowars shirt right there today I'm not a member of the Infowars of the Infowars team in

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any kind of a financial sense never been paid I'm doing this for my home in Florida but I'm

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I'm wearing it because I'm proud to stand with Alex and the Infowars family you should get going

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into a new year and you know we're going to do this stop the steel rally next week and we don't

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know how it's going to turn out but there's a real serious chance that Biden and Harris are going to

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be the president and vice president Obama will be a excuse me a mile or so away in his the basement

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the basement of his Washington mansion feeding their scripts to them as he has said to um set on

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tv he'll be happy to just be the guy putting the words into the earpieces so we know what's coming

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so Bracken's wearing this shirt out of solidarity with the Infowars family but the Infowars family

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has no solidarity with him they should unionize these fourth hour hosts no no no see this is why

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you get money okay you make sure you get money grifters don't respect you unless you try and

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grift back first off but he is I mean he's selling his books and stuff like that to a much wider

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audience than he'd have access to otherwise oh of course but you want a financial relationship

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that can be on the record with Alex because then you're more likely to get protection he's doing

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this for exposure though yeah that's the that's the downside yeah um and I'm actually I'm actually

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not 100 sure that there isn't a financial relationship of some sort that's fair but I

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without any kind of evidence I have no idea what that arrangement may be but it seems bizarre to

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me the idea that Alex would let people host an hour of his show without some kind of yeah

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involvement anything um but yeah so we've we've got this explained uh the shirt it's not suspicious

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he's not a Antifa false flag actor not yet um so he he talks a little bit about what his hopes are

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uh for the the march and then he says something he's deeply ironic oh you know I'm going to

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Washington next week and it'll I hope it's such a big rally that it's impossible to find anybody

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that you know that it'll be a sea of people that's my hope that's my goal but you know to all of the

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anonymous ankle biters that that uh you know want to hack away at Alex let me tell you the man has

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been a fearless leader now for many years and he hasn't quit when it would have been easy it would

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have been so easy at various points in the last couple of years to say you know what I've had it

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I'm I'm just gonna I've done my part I've done more than my part I'm going to exit stage left

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and just live a quiet life he didn't do it just like Donald Trump didn't do it a couple months

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early on that oh boy uh recently talking a lot about uh yeah so we want to see your people yeah

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which is fine I mean this is still in the ballpark of like I just want a big protest

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and I would like to not be identified at that protest sure I'd like everybody to be able to

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blend in yes I would very much like every I would like this Waldo book to feature zero Waldos yeah

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so it starts to get a little bit worse so next week on January 5th and 6th what we have to do

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is show who's really in control we don't control social media we don't have all of these organs of

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power we don't control the department of justice we can't decide what criminals will go uncharged

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and what innocent people will be arrested in the middle of the night we don't control that but we

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can overwhelm them with sheer numbers and that's why it's going to be our week next week you know

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we weren't around for Valley Forge we weren't around you know during any of America's darkest

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days and now we're so comfortable it's so easy to sit on the couch so sitting on the couch is bad

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uh acting like our ancestors at Valley Forge good oh man so it's starting to get a little iffy

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yeah yeah that's not good that's not a good start again this is so normal for Matt Bracken right

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this is the kind of language he uses all the fucking time yeah this is I mean you can even

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hear him being like a little blase about it like hey yes obviously we're going to take the country

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back yada yada there's two things it's a lot blase but then also that affect is kind of also

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Matt Bracken-ish that's fair he's not super excitable right right man I I would just find

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it so funny if there was somebody who is just completely unaware of what was going to take

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place on the fifth and sixth doing a regular ass broadcast saying this exact shit having no idea

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what's going to happen and then watching it on tv just being like oh no I bet Bracken did oh shit

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I have a strong suspicion that he may have so this is again a little bit worse you got enough

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enough trumpsters enough stop the steel rallyers to park on the bridges you can bring Washington

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DC to a complete stop if they try to prevent this peaceful assembly by keeping people away from the

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Capitol then the people are just going to do other things and when the other side of this break we're

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going to talk some more about that but I can't emphasize this is our moment you know we have

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never been tested in our lives like we are about to be tested we haven't fought a war on American

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soil oh boy since 1865 you know we have been blessed our wars have been fought overseas

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in other people's territory blessing yeah that's we have to get off the couches break away out of

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our free out of our you know peaceful easy living and show that this country is not going to be

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stolen by these democrat socialist communist globalists we're just not going to permit it

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and next week is when we're going to show it we're not gonna we're not gonna allow this election to

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go down and we're going to show it on the sixth and I just want to let anybody who's listening

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to this know I am associated with this I want my name and Alex Jones is to be at the forefront of

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this exact thing that I am saying it's for posterity well I mean like hey you're already

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suggesting things like yeah we could put a blockade around DC yeah if they don't let us

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near the Capitol we're going to try other things here's what we should do we should have caches of

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weapons nearby don't bring them directly into DC that's a far greater federal crime than it would

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be if they were outside of the city now again I want to be clear that I don't think that this is

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out of the ordinary for Bracken at all no based on the times that I've heard him on the show again

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yeah it's pretty close to normal it's just that unfortunately then it happened do other things

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that was the problem yeah yeah and it's part of that I mean obviously has to do with the fact that

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the audience and the people who were there had been whipped into such a frenzy with these

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consistent arguments that the election had been stolen it's proven and all that and so Bracken

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brings some of that up and he has an interesting source that I'm not sure I've heard Alex use

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there's no question that that tens of thousands of ballots in these states were counterfeit

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they were they were mass produced ahead of time when you look at some of these these guys like

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this this witness on the screen right now Jovan Pulitzer he's got 200 patents you know involved

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with the the human machine interface like QR codes he's a he's an expert on this and he says all he

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needs to see is the paper ballots so Jovan Pulitzer didn't come up with their QR codes no he came up

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with a handheld barcode scanner called qcat back in the year 2000 so the way it worked was that

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people would put barcodes in the newspaper like in advertisements and then this handheld device

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would scan that barcode and take people to their website naturally because of how tech worked at

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the time that meant you had to have this qcat plugged into your computer and it just wasn't

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convenient no people did not care for it yeah in 2006 pc world put out a list of the 25 worst tech

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products of all time and qcat was number 20 part of the reason for that was that it sucked but the

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other part was that because there was a huge security vulnerability that ended up being

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exploited and 140 000 users had their personal information stolen out of here god damn so yeah

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after that Pulitzer went on to run a bunch of other scams like selling crystals and being

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featured in a history channel show as a treasure hunter the 2020 election was the flame that

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attracted all the grift moths so Pulitzer showed up and now he's a forensic ballot expert and

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because these dumdums like Bracken don't care who's saying something if they like what's being said

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he was accepted as an expert to the point where his name is being evoked in this episode where

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Bracken is about to advocate storming the capital because the election was stolen that is i i think

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i i think it's funny to see that that progression of like he makes an invention that regardless of

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its technical applicability which not high i understand however a legitimate invention

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you know it's a barcode scanner that connects to your computer in 2000 that's pretty good right

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that's not bad i guess but then your next move is treasure hunter that's a long drop down i think

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the crystals were after that the crystals are a bigger drop down i don't know it's a lucrative

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market ah that's fair some of those sell for quite a bit that's true that is true so uh look

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the election's been stolen Pulitzer's told us this we all know it uh and if you allow that to stand

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there's going to be consequences in the future folks if you let this happen then it's on you

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then future generations will say you just didn't really give a damn they stole the election not

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even hiding it so you have to act now our time is the sixth and if you don't future generations

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and posterity will know you as a person who didn't give a shit about liberty right right so that's

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high high stakes you know i'm i'm interested in this question yeah um if the election were stolen

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is he right you know what i'm saying like is one of our bigger issues that the election wasn't

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actually stolen i mean that's obviously a very large issue that's a big biggest issue i think

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you i think the the terminology election being stolen is way too vague to even that is a really

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because what does it mean right if there is like an actual installing of a person sure uh then uh

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no i still i don't know then it becomes murky about whether or not there's justification for

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those actions right well i mean 2000 was stolen right but and i don't think in that case it would

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have been justified that's why there's that gray area right of even though you could make a

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linguistic and actually like fairly decent argument that bush was put in office by the

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supreme court right i don't know if that that justifies trying to overthrow the government

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right right right it would justify reforming the supreme court possibly yeah um making some pretty

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serious overhauls to make sure these kinds of situations don't happen again yeah yeah

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it's a good thing we did the opposite of all of those yeah yeah i i think i think you raise an

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interesting question that i don't really have a full uh answer to i think that people could

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puzzle over that yeah i mean i'm just you know like there's a part of me that is

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not in admiration for by any stretch by any stretch right but of of that like they followed

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through you know like if if what he's saying is true and this is what he thinks is the correct

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response to that then they did it which is a different thing from so many other people who

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are like here's the biggest problem and this is what we should do about it and i'm gonna tweet

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you know sure there's a difference there that i i recognize and i don't necessarily think is

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good right but you know i i think what you're talking about is a fairly abstract point and i

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want to bring it back down to the ground a tiny bit because the the evidence that is provided for

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why they think the election is stolen is so flimsy as to very clearly uh indicate that

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there isn't a conviction that this is the truth that the election was stolen true it's a conviction

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that they didn't get the outcome they wanted right and so any explanation for why it is stolen is

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enough for them to be like well i can i can look at that and say look at this yeah yeah that's why

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it was stolen yeah i mean like imagining the alternative scenario where like let's imagine

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i'm not saying this did happen but let's imagine that there were evidence that trump stole the

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election right yeah do you think that they would be doing this they like trump yeah if

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trump had stolen the election they would not be storming the capital in order to get an

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illegitimate president out they would use the opportunity to make sure all elections were stolen

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from then on out right yeah it's it's the outcome was not what they wanted so flimsy evidence like

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this crystal weirdo right a treasure hunter asshole who created one of the worst tech

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inventions of all time a treasure hunter right so this is good enough to be listed as part of the

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evidence that the election was absolutely stolen well the truth is a sort of treasure dan i hunt it

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so now that we have this all this this groundwork of if you don't act future generations will

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condemn you right you'll be damned to the the history um i mean bracken just really fucks up

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that we're not going to be saved by anybody above us we're going to only be saved by millions of

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americans moving to washington occupying the entire area if if necessary storming right into

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the capital you know there we we know the rules of engagement if you have enough people you can

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push down any kind of events or a wall oh that's not good but if not enough patriots show up then

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we're just going to watch our freedom go down the drain it is a little shocking that he used the

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term storming oh not good no not good looks bad i would i would not want to be in front of the

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congressional committee and have them play that for me and be like now that's taken out of context

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that's on your network i didn't know it happened oh so people people call for storming the capital

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on your network and you're not even aware of it listen i've never even listened to infowars in my

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entire life uh-huh i don't even listen to me when i talk uh listen i'm bill hicks i gotta go

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i've been dead for 30 years come on man so uh you know you have to you have to stop the

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certification of the election no matter what if they can steal an election right in front of our

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face one video with you know hundreds of thousands of fake ballots counterfeit ballots fake names of

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people that don't exist and we can't stop it do you really think we'll ever have another free

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election in this country do you think they'll give us a chance to come back in two years and

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do you think they'll give us a chance to come back in two years and push the democrats out

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next week is a pivot in american history next week we're gonna stand up as free americans

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or we are just going to cringe back to our sofa watch our country turn into a mare zoella

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lose our freedom wow i like that a mare zoella i like it brutal that's the mixture between

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america and a vuvuzela oh boy yep so you gotta stop this or else there'll never be free elections

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again yeah you really have all of the sort of pieces in place to really be like you have to

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do this yeah you know sometimes sometimes i think part of why they get so amped up is because they

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would much rather have an enemy that actually seems to be fighting back you know like the

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democrats were masturbating at the thought of getting kicked out in two years they were like

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oh we won't have to do anything well there's an interesting dynamic that bracken also brings up

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i didn't cut a clip of this but he talks about the republicans in office as being the washington

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generals who are like happy to just lose all the time to all the globetrotters that are the

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democrats sure sure sure i'm like what the fuck are you talking about what world is nancy pelosi

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meadowlark what are you talking about the democrats are not doing ball tricks uh you

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don't make confetti on people they're throwing water at people it's ridiculous

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so i think that we have a whole lot here in terms of establishing like a call to action

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yeah specific things like blockading washington storming the capital as being the things that

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you need to do if you don't get your way in terms of blocking the certification of the election

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right and january 6th is the opportunity and the only chance we have to stop this

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is a mass mobilization next week if we don't see a million people in washington

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then i'll know i'll know just not enough americans cared freedom just didn't matter that much

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as long as they had netflix and a full refrigerator and a cozy sofa they really didn't give a damn

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about freedom and if that's the case then we deserve everything that comes after this

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this i think it'd be great if all americans were able to have a full refrigerator i think that

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would that's that's probably what we should be revolting about yeah would you like to discuss

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those material comforts that people should have you know we're fighting against the republicans

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because we don't have the full refrigerator yeah oh boy so it's our chance it's the chance i think

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i really think he's laid out a call to arms to do the exact things that end up happening yeah now

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here's this depressing outro to this report okay i'm going to washington i'm staying for the

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duration if there are debates i'm staying till the end i don't care i've heard all about the

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hotel situation and antifa and black lives matter i don't care i'm going and i hope i see you there

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i hope i see millions of you there and uh hope i see you again on infowars thanks for listening

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happy new year boo happy new year uh you know i mean i think he's got a great defense though

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uh in front of the committee here's what he can say because they can play that and he'll be like

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listen no no i know you guys realize though i'm matt bracken and no one listens to me right

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zero people listen to me i'm matt bracken you could you could i mean you could argue that his

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you could argue that his views are low i do still think like hey hey buddy you're also a noted

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weirdo that's true you're talking about these plans like these ideas and i don't know if you'd

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want to call them plans but certainly like seems like you've thought about this a little bit i'm

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gonna who who has you made the fifth before you ask me a question you've been talking to anybody

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about this stuff the fifth you talk to alex about it i'm playing the fifth so that was all some

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that was all some pretty blustery stuff and honestly based on what bracken is saying the

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sixth went down exactly how he would have wanted it to everything he was saying needed to be done

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was done and the only problem is that the coup wasn't successful tons of people showed up hoping

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to intimidate the uh the congress into stopping the certification and when that didn't work people

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stormed the capital as bracken clearly identified as one of the necessary steps that you could

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escalate to i'm sure that on january 6th if you had footage of bracken he would have been more

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excited than harrison smith saying that the capital had fallen to the patriots yep but after

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the fact this doesn't look good when your coup fails and you're left in a position where you

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publicly advocated for all the things that went into the failed coup you probably need to pivot

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a little bit and unsurprisingly that's exactly what he did in his next appearance after this

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so it's pretty clear to me that q was turned into something that would be used as a weapon against

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trump you know a lot of well-meaning people went into the capital ashley babbitt number one among

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them and i don't think that it's any coincidence that ashley babbitt found herself at ground zero

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at the double doors near the glass doors she just wasn't wandering around and happened to find

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herself there outside of law enforcement at least half of the people on that landing up the stairs

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by the glass doors at least half of them are antifa this was a pure antifa operation i think

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that that these guys i mean i'm talking about at the glass doors where ashley was shot i think that

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these guys spotted her on the outside as extremely motivated super patriotic and thought here we here

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she is she's the kind of a of a naive dupe that we can use as a weapon this is rank cowardice

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on bracken's part and i find this fucking distasteful so bad you can't bear to acknowledge

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that the exact things he was publicly advocating were the things that led to ashley babbitt to be

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in the position she was in taking the action she was taken when she was killed and because

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admitting that is too difficult for him bracken's just created a fantasy story about it with no

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proof other than his imagination he's decided that antifa had seen babbit outside and thought

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she was so patriotic and she'd make a perfect patsy so they lured her to the doors where i

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guess they somehow forced her to try to break through them this is so pathetic it's one thing

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to be a fairweather fan of a sports team but to be a fairweather revolutionary who indicates such

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a lack of spine and conviction it's just unacceptable matt wanted people to storm the capital

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he said it was a good thing to do and now that people did and the predictable result happened

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it's got to be an antifa plot yeah this is a very precise example of the strategy that alex uses

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but alex does it on a grander scale in terms of stochastic terrorism he engages in intense and

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emotionally manipulative displays of incitement and then when someone does what he obviously is

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saying they should do that becomes an example of someone trying to false flag the patriots to make

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them look bad alex is usually just smart enough to not actually say storm the capital in the part

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where he's trying to incite people because that's how the business continues yeah the thing to

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understand is that this strategy has two big payoffs the first is the obvious one that it

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allows alex and folks like bracken to evade having to take responsibility for the consequences of

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their rhetoric when it actually comes down to it the second is that they're able to pretend that

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their underlying cause was so justified and so important that the globalists needed to use a

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false flag to try to invalidate it in this case the election was so clearly stolen that the only

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way to divert attention from that was to have this false flag which they could then blame on the

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people who are saying the election was stolen which is because their claims were so legitimate

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yeah it's uh nonsense it's very stupid yeah it's so universal with these dicks too it's one of the

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weirder things i mean you know it's not weird the the entirety of uh the republican party has been

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so fucked with in terms of their heads but like man if i really was convinced by all of these

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dum-dums that the election had been stolen and that it was important to do what happened on the

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sixth then to hear them do this would feel like the biggest betrayal like yeah we've talked about

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that before i know but before i gave a shit about the government again which has already been stolen

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like at that point it's get rid of these fucking cowards they're the ones who stopped us from

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winning well you know like that's that's such a fucking serious moment like if you're one of the

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oathkeepers who's being charged with the conspiracy you know what you did yeah and to hear people

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throw you under the bus uh is gotta be um but like it calls into question what their their motives

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are absolutely they're they're the people who clearly aren't on the same team as they were

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presenting to you as being on yeah yeah yeah there there were there won't be any shirts of alex

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like there were of shay i don't remember zapata coming out and being like hey man i think i think

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this was actually somebody else's fault yeah i think this is completely nah listen we had nothing

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to do with this shit i do wonder if like during those revolutionary times in the past and places

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were there people trying to capitalize on it like alex and matt bracken do were there like

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some kind of media grifters uh engaging in the same way i wonder i i don't think so because

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i think the right wing i think the traditional way of the grift goes the right wing does this shit and

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then whenever the left wing does the fighting then the the media and everybody goes hey this is wrong

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and you guys have to stop and everybody polices the left instead of i mean maybe maybe i'm not

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entirely sure i'd like to do uh i'd like to see if somebody had a study or kind of a totally paper

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on that so um we get back to alex now this is why uh they ask about bracket i just wanted to make

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clear that there's a reason uh that this is a relevant thing yeah yeah it's not just uh some

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kind of a stray no he did that shit but also again i don't think that there's anything really

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too different than the norm for matt bracken and alex has every reason to be aware of the

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sort of rhetoric bracken uses and when alex interviewed the q shaman afterwards bracken

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was his co-host he was on with him trying to create this narrative of false flag insane yeah

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so fuck all that but you can't go to the committee and be like no no no no we say that all the time

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yeah that's not gonna it just didn't work any of the other times exactly it's not gonna play

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whoops we've been trying to make this happen for years yeah we've just been ineffective so uh alex

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gets to another question that they asked and this is about the uh pictures and video of him at the

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georgia state capital with nick fuentes and ali alexander and uh vernon uh vernon jones i was quite

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frankly tired i've been there having a demonstration calling for an investigation of the election

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i didn't really want to go in we'd given our speech outside i want to go back to the hotel

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and eat a cheeseburger and do my show but ollie alexander and jones wanted to do it so we went

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through the metal detectors that took an hour and a half we went inside we had a peaceful event

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and we left so that was our goal and they asked who organized that and who planned that

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i mean i remember there were demonstrations already going on in

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in georgia and so the best i can remember we just went there to be part of the demonstrations to

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cover it to be part of it and then that was vernon jones i think let's say his name um

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i never heard of a fellow really nice really smart guy never heard also spoke on january 6

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in dc and so he invited us since we did the event uh they asked me if we were with proud boys or if

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we were with um oathkeepers and i do remember being at a hooters uh that was our hotel eating

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and having uh you know there was a family there that sat down and i think we drank a beer and ate

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cheeseburgers again uh so yeah there's your answer there uh yeah there's vernon jones with his arm

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around my shoulder and so that was what we never met it was a very friendly very nice event

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uh there wasn't any violence i don't know if alex recognizes this or not but they're not asking

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about the georgia thing for the sake of any violence or anything like that this is a question

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about ali alexander when they're asking about who organized this it has to do with the stop the

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steel and all of the things that ali was doing uh leading up to the sixth right i don't know if alex

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recognizes that uh or is being intentionally obtuse uh i i do think that this is this is

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definitely one of those lines of questioning where you could see alex feeling relieved you know being

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like oh thanks this isn't about the sixth sure i'll tell you whatever you want to hear about

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this georgia one i didn't do anything wrong there this will never come back to bite me in the ass

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but he probably still played the fifth i hope so so they also asked the very important question

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of whether he had proud boy and oathkeeper security on the sixth um and we know that roger

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did yes i have oathkeeper security alex on the other hand he's not he's not one of these poor

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people who accept free security they kept you know asking me do we use oathkeepers

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and who did we use proud boys as security i hire professional security i'm not putting these people

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down but i get mobbed in these big crowds and big crowds are dangerous as anybody knows just because

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people can stampede or they're gonna be a backfire from a bus they could storm the capital they're

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dangerous so yeah i had 12 or 14 security people for all those big events uh because when you're

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out in the middle of hundreds of thousands of people you need that just to be able to get places

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and so i hired dc and maryland police and i hired a well-known private security company

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uh here in austin uh that is bonded works for not going to name names but the people that work for

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me have worked for you know the richest people in the world the biggest government people all of it

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uh they've guarded hillary clinton they've guarded you know joe biden they've guarded michael

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bloomberg hell i'll just say the names and so i i go and try to get professional people and of

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course there's no way i had dc police and maryland police off duty with us trying to do an insurrection

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by the way the company we hired was all black guys what what seems that's like an extraneous detail

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great great i mean i do like in a what am i poorer well i'm not roger i still have a job

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also i'm fine with black people what what i'll let them guard me hey i won't i have never had

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any problem with black people serving underneath me it seems weird that you would think that that

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would be a problem yeah yeah i i don't know um at what point it comes up but alex does say like

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they had oath keepers around still sure well and what are you not gonna have them around yeah i

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mean whether or not they're your official security if they're like following you around clearly hey

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oath keepers are like chips at a party just because you don't eat them doesn't mean that

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they don't have to be there it's a little weird they gotta be there so uh alex was at the ellipse

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and he almost bailed on going to the capital he almost was like i'm not gonna do that i just want

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to go take a take a shower i just want to have he loves cheeseburgers i think he says he he wanted

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to have a cheeseburger he wanted to have a cheeseburger but he didn't really have a lot of faith

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that um anything was gonna really happen well they were just at it i was just about to leave with my

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wife who was freezing to go back to the hotel and drink coffee and take a hot shower and not even be

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part of the capital thing because i found it hard to believe from our when i say white house source

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campaign has to run events but it's liaison within the white house caroline wren and i'm

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like yeah let's just get out of here and i was talking to in-law who was with me i took one

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security guy in uh to the ellipse as our other security was outside and because that's a contained

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area with secret service stuff where trump was speaking with this 900 000 or whatever people

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around it and i'm like you know maybe we just won't do this because they're like and then all

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of a sudden she's back there with all the secret service and people she comes and opens the gate

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they come over they get me they they lead us through whatever it was it was uniform people

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to see said secret service we go back and we get let out and then i'm given the mission impossible

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job with a bullhorn that you can maybe reach a thousand people with oh my god to midstream

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jump on pennsylvania avenue where already god knows at least over a hundred thousand had gone

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before us i don't know how many but a sea of people to try to then control that people ask

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well then why did you get up and try to stop it well that's a little uppity no it wasn't that i

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mean i felt like i knew ollie had this lot eight thing i i sound like a pipe dream that trump was

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going to come speak but i hadn't i just trusted everybody i thought okay sure we done all these

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other big events i do feel like um alex pleading the fifth might be counterproductive to him if

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any of this is true yeah like if any of this is true then he could be like look i was just doing

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what these people told me to do yeah if i have somebody from the trump campaign saying hey

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you should go uh lead these people to the capital right i think you could maybe kick the ball down

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the road you know might be smart yeah might be smart because then you could ask uh the the

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committee to be like ask them they told me to do it yeah well i'm i'm a tool of the conspiracy you

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understand i was used it is it is always fun whenever i see somebody who purports to be a

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leader really saying i've never seen any of this or had any responsibility for any of this stuff

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at all and quite frankly i wanted to take a shot hey i'm gonna be honest with you i've never wanted

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to lead anything i kind of don't want to be here yeah i mean like okay so we had the speech at the

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ellipse and trump was like we're gonna go to the capital alex knows that this is the biggest

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protest that had been planned forever to stop the steel shit he sent owen on a fucking caravan

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across the country earlier for the stop the steel rallies never didn't have anything to do with it

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i was gonna skip it i was gonna go back to the hotel i uh oh my god patin's about to speak

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uh i i my wife really wants to go so i'm gonna have to get out of here guys anyways all right

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good luck with the war yeah alex is like a during the revolutionary war he's like

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uh you know what lexington and concord sounds fun but i want to have some stew don't fire until you

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see the whites of oh i could use some egg whites right about now yeah maybe an omelet that'd be

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you guys do what you need to do listen i don't even know these guys tip of the spear tip of the

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spear leader so um alex alex again is trying to rationalize like why you don't engage with these

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committees man i can tell you what happened here and just give you the basics of it you make one

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little mistake talking to that committee about what day something was done or whatever they don't

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care if it's obvious it's political they don't care they got juries in dc that would convict

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a newborn baby and put it to death in order to do so for breathing eat that baby i've seen it

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and you've seen it you've seen you can't go into something like that seeing them kill a baby

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deal with something at that level of corruption i'm sorry and so the whole thing is tainted it's

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like a big bowl of soup you put one rat turd in it it's no good sure um no it's not like that

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uh but also i would love that if like young billy you have been accused of breathing

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you stand accused of breathing he did it again he's all you and he has no remorse

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death penalty exactly can't have this baby out here anymore so ridiculous i'm not breathing

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look i know alex is using a metaphor but still yeah so dumb i know um so he as we've already

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kind of got the vibe of it seems like alex thinks that he's making his statement to the committee

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on his show yeah yeah where they can't prosecute him for it now now it's time to speak but to

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finish up my statements to the january 6 committee because i can't say it under oath because if i

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said that the background behind me is purple they would say well actually uh there's some black in

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it so it's not really purple you lied prison five years i really wonder if there's an ability because

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alex is saying this that like he's making this statement on his show for them to then use his

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show as yeah uh his statements yeah why not i mean he wasn't sworn in and you can't say that they are

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true but if you do know any information you can say well we know this and this is how he presented

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it and also guess what we recorded these fucking depositions or whatever but does it become under

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oath then if he's saying i'm making my statement does it can you do that no i don't know if there's

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some sort of magical transitive property i guess but i think there is in our society for some

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reason because we live in pretend world i i don't know if there is legally but to me that's what

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he's trying to convey to the audience he's like this is as good as under oath i just don't trust

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them to be under oath for them no exactly and it's just it's a facade it's it's yeah it's cowardice

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if you're going to say that you didn't say anything to the sixth committee and then say these

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are the answers that i would have given to the sixth committee i'm only doing it on my show then

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that does not suggest to me that you didn't say anything to the committee that says you said

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something completely different to the committee and you don't want that information i mean maybe

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i don't know it's really hard to read it is so uh apparently one of the other things they wanted

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to know is if alex had heard any rumblings of violence uh alex said alex was rumblings of

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violence yeah his stomach was rumbling alex was all violence um he he just thinks it was from the

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left oh it's all from the other few questions here did i hear about violence and the answer is

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yeah all over the news democrats were calling for burning down the cities for killing trump

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and his family new york times writers washington post writers hollywood uh comedians they were all

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saying kill trump kill his family kill trump supporters antifa was shooting trump supporters

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in the back of the head all over the country all over the country shot uh antifa was fire bombing

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federal buildings they attacked the portland federal courthouse was it almost 100 days in

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a row they attacked police with hatchets uh the then vice presidential candidate bailed him out

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of jail antifa was coming to members of congress houses bashing on their doors and breaking windows

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out and so yeah that raised the temperature a lot but i heard no one around me call for

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offensive violence or talk about any plans for violence i was doing it i i saw rhetoric on

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conservative tv and radio about it might be a civil war and you know it might be tom of the

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second amendment that was a background noise but you always hear that in politics in america you

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always hear fucking coward god that's pathetic i i do like the the notion that like oh i heard

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some background noise on conservative shows about a civil war now we need to start using guns on

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people maybe the second amendment uh but hey man that's just the right wing has always been doing

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that and and the dodge of like that language was on your show yeah it wasn't on conservative radio

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that you heard it was your show he doesn't listen to his show i don't know what matt bracken's saying

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uh never heard of him and leave matt bracken out of this just on his show he was saying all of

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these things yeah we heard it but he doesn't want war man god what i fucking hate these people what

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a bunch of cowards it's very frustrating whinging so look he doesn't want war unless one circumstance

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no if it's an information war oh sure let's get something clear for the committee and for

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my audience everybody else i don't want a civil war in this country and that's a terrible idea

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and i don't want lawlessness by anybody and i don't want anybody attacking anybody okay

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now do i use rhetoric like if you want to fight you better believe you got one yeah in the info

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war it's time for us to stand up in the info war and say i don't know how this is going to end but

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if you want to fight you better believe you've got one in the info war that's what that means

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over there info war means we fight with information we fight with the truth that's the whole point is

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it's a non-violent war that's what alex jones does fine it's an information war what's the

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information now people think that what we did was bad what's the information man uh the information

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is that the government is killing us they're going to destroy the second amendment and we

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should overthrow oh shit why in this war that's all about information does alex seem to be palling

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around with a lot of people who seem to be involved in physical war like tommy robinson

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or gavin mcginnis or stewart roads or our old friend based stick man most of whom who don't

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have any information whatsoever none what exactly is the fight that you're bringing in the

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information war like what does that mean um it doesn't mean anything we're propaganda to try

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and get people to over oh no damn it that comes right back around to we're guilty ah shit damn it

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so this was a shocking thing that i heard next we did it nope but take the we out of it

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and replace that with stewart no shit i had my own security but obviously everywhere we went

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people followed us around of every different type and every different group and stewart roads i

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later learned from news articles would assign someone to us because he was kind of doing the

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later playing the general uh type thing and i i saw it all as larping i mean i didn't see

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turns out you're wrong people uh but but i saw a lot of it as high stakes playing soldier in

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the backyard and they do go out to burning cities and try to help businesses and that's not larping

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that's real you know the their mission was something i really agreed with for most of its

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operations but if the indictment's true that they thought that they could foment and kick start

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and detonate a rebellion at the capital that would then lead to a larger war

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that is not something i knew about or something i support or something i want so again you're

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really getting my unofficial testimony here to the committee bye-bye stewart yeah stewart you've

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just been hit by a bus yeah that's a big old one man if what alex is saying is the case that kind

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of makes alex the stupidest fucking asshole in the world this dude has been a guest on his show for

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13 years and he was working to try and kick off a civil war and then when it didn't work out alex

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had him on the show repeatedly to run cover for him and create the narrative that he didn't

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actually do anything wrong and it was all set up by the left uh-huh you kind of have to assume that

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either alex is the most incompetent most gullible most idiotic person in broadcasting or he's

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feigning this ignorance on the show because he knows he can't say any of this shit under oath

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without looking like a big ass liar yeah now ridiculous if i'm stewart oh if i'm stewart roads

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and i have known alex for how long years i have made all of my positions exceedingly clear very

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i mean like with bullets too clear maybe yeah i i think that if you listen to stewart roads's

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appearance on the show he's very blunt about like we need trump to just fucking yeah make a

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deputize us so we can kill our political exactly yeah he's very very clear about now if i heard

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alex say that throughout all that time get real with it he thought i was larping i would be

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furious yes yeah that would be the most inferior are you're telling me that you've known me this

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long and you not once took me seriously not one time well no because we have to actually parse

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this out a little bit right alex is saying on the sixth he was larping and playing soldier in the

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sandbox right but apparently he wasn't larping and playing soldier in the sandbox whenever they

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would go and try and intimidate people at social justice rallies protests right that was not that

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was very serious deadly very serious they were professionals we're big strongmen doing the right

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thing oh we're powerful now on the sixth whenever they uh stormed the capital and planned uh

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something that was a seditious conspiracy sure uh that was just playing that was larping i was

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playing around you what you only bring several thousand dollars worth of guns to multiple

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different places around dc for the larp it was a goof it was a fun time they were all made of

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cardboard and foam yeah i think alex better hope that stewart stays in prison ah yeah yeah

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because otherwise they might have words ah i think alex better hope that stewart doesn't find a way

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to bring alex into the same prison so we got one more clip here and um i think this is really

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revealing about the inner conversations that were happening about the sixth within infowars because

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i want the audience to know this too people the audience is like alex we know we listen to the

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show we know you don't want violence we know you weren't part of it we know you were pissed that day

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you know i was screaming at the crew and just frothing mad at what a disaster it was

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and i wasn't mad at the crew i was just in having a fit and they're like hey the democrats storm

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capitals all the time and burn stuff i mean sure it's not good boss but i mean we're not as bad as

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they are and i i'm like they're gonna make this the end of the world they're gonna try to launch

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martial law they're gonna make us all terrorists they're gonna never shut up about this

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and sure enough that's what happened that clip is so revealing yeah alex's crew accepted that

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their right-wing extremist buddies had done the storming but alex was furiously rejecting that

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idea but it wasn't because he actually knew that they hadn't it's because he was afraid of the

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consequences of accepting that they had yeah alex's opposition to the notion that the patriots

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stormed the capital wasn't based on fact or evidence it was rooted only and alex's fear

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that if everyone realized that they had done it it would lead to negative consequences for people

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associated with that community of right-wing extremists yep that's key to understand alex

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needed to make up a story to evade responsibility and try to provide cover for right-wing extremism

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and that's his goal in the information war no no no dan as the tip of the spear he wants to lie

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to escape consequences what don't you understand about being the tip of the spear i i have a lot

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to learn every time you stab somebody don't you see don't you hear the tip of the spear go like

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i don't think this is a good idea better turn around and then leave the tip of the spear pokes

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people money flows out uh yeah yeah that's about right and the spear blames another spear it's a

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different completely different spear there's that halberd over there i i really think halberg

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wolfgang halberd no halberd the medieval ax right right right i get you wordplay yes so i i think

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that that clip is just so indicative of how his mind works it's it's not about we didn't do this

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yeah it was about the consequences of recognizing that if we have yep they're never going to stop

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talking about this nope so we cannot possibly accept that as being a conclusion that people

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are allowed to hear and accept and we have to muddy the narrative soon enough that it can never

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be taken away the wet concrete metaphor is very much in play and it will never be taken away they

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will always always always believe that it had they had nothing to do with it yeah and you could see

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that in the immediate reaction after the sixth the way that it was a mad dash to invalidate blame

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everything was everywhere black lives matter goons dressed everybody but them they're dressed up like

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trump supporters and that's why it looks like trump supporters are doing this yeah and that's

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why you can see people like matt bracken immediately invalidate everything that he had

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been talking about everything he'd ever believed in in order to just aggressively get in place this

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narrative because otherwise their worldview is fucked if because the consequences of their

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rhetoric becomes too obvious totally to too many people and just like after the oklahoma city

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bombing people start to take this shit seriously again i don't know who it was it might have even

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been you who made this point of like for a long time it was more convenient and easier to just

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ignore these assholes yeah and at a certain point we learn over and over again in society that like

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all right it is no longer the tipping point has been reached it is no longer expedient to ignore

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them yes there is a danger that this presents um and i think that alex and all his dickhole friends

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recognize that after this if allowed to be seen for what it was that point would be reached right

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and uh they had to fight against that in the information war and they won i guess yeah

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stewart didn't no no no no but none of the low level guys were ever going to get away with it

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i don't know if i'd call stewart low level well i mean i mean low level in the sense of like ground

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troops you know what i'm saying sure like none of the media figures that but i honestly i honestly

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think that the way this is starting to look i don't know if alex is going to get in any kind

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of like serious legal trouble but i i think that from the sense i'm getting some of these questions

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that they're asking appear to be like pretty good questions yeah no they do i think i think that

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really excavating yeah the stuff about the connections between the oath keepers who are

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hanging out with everybody right now that you have that indictment in place right the the security

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that they were providing for people and how that interacts with the planning of the stop the steel

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folks i i think i think you got you got something where people people have something to be worried

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about more than i thought yeah we'll see we'll see and this episode i take not seriously at all

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except for the ways in which alex is revealing how he operates yeah i don't think that i know for

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sure whether he pled the fifth i don't know whether he uh sang like a canary yeah i don't know any of

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that stuff and we'll learn more as more information comes out but it's still relevant to recognize the

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ways he covers things up the way he makes excuses for himself and pretends uh a if i didn't answer

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any questions it's it's totally justified because this is an illegitimate committee run by a forger

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you know it's it's nonsense he's a coward yeah that's that's so fucked up to me because it's like

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i i almost want to be like with right-wing people i want to be like hey hey before we even talk

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about being right wing whatever you believe fucking you're you're entitled to it but this

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guy's a giant coward just don't follow him you know like follow follow another piece of shit

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if you want to believe shit let me clarify let me let me qualify that don't go with the nazis though

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yeah yeah well i mean obviously yeah don't don't go that direction don't go with nazis with courage

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i don't want any of that shit anywhere near me here's here here's the way i would articulate

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what you're saying yeah recognize the ways in which this guy is a coward and he's using false

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information in order to enable his cowardice and his business uh grift right right look at that

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and let that be a learning experience for you so anybody else you're considering following

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use that kind of same scrutiny about what they're up to no and see if you can uh see if you can

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find better sources of information yeah i mean it's just that that like listen it could not get

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any more clear they will incite you they will lie to you they will try and get you to commit the

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worst crimes they will have you on your show their show for 13 years totally totally and then they

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will let you die and tell people that it was nothing to do with them they will let you go

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to prison they'll say they never heard of that type of behavior and you will be abandoned in a

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heartbeat if it is expedient for them yep that's what i want in the leader yes so uh we come to the

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end of this jordan um and i think uh i'm interested to learn more but i don't think i know anything at

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this point yeah that sounds about right yep and we'll be back but until then uh we have a website

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we do it's knowledgefight.com yes we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge

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underscore fight and i go to bed jordan yeah we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo

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i'm dz x clark i'm darryl rundis and now here comes the sex robot andy in kansas you're on the

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air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you