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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first name caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're couple dudes, look to sit around, drink novelty beverages,

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celebrate America, and talk about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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What's your favorite cookout food?

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Oh god.

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What are we talking about grill-wise?

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Oh my god, do I love a grill?

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Grill me up.

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I love going out and grilling, I love it.

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I love how every park, you go down by the lakefront too, it's the same thing,

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you wander around, throw a rock, you'll hit a fucking grill somewhere.

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I love it.

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Yeah, you love a grill?

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Built-in installation grills in places.

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Can't get enough, I love it, I'm stalling.

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Those are fun.

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I'm stalling, because I don't know, probably hot dogs.

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Hot dogs?

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Yeah.

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You're not a brat guy?

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No.

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No?

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No.

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Any of the link sausages?

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I do not appreciate that snap that a lot of people love.

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Really?

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Texturally, I do not enjoy it.

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Of course you don't.

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There are things that I don't enjoy, and one of them is feeling connected to the animal

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aspect of what I'm eating.

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Like I really don't like eating meat off a bone, I don't like the snap of it because

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it feels like you're biting through something involved in an animal.

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Oh okay, so it almost like physically grosses you out.

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Yeah, yeah, there's a piece of it that I just, I don't, I would probably be vegetarian

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or vegan if I had any restraint or control over my diet.

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Right, right, right, of course, of course.

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But one of the reasons I don't like, I do not like the recognition of the animal in

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what I'm taking in.

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I'm fine with chicken breasts though.

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You are, you contain multitudes Dan.

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But that doesn't have as much of a textural sensation as like hitting a bone or the like

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innards snap of a brat, something like that.

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I'm not a huge fan.

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So many of my food issues are texture based.

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Yeah, yeah, not just, you're gonna go with hot dog over just a great hamburger, just

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a good hamburger.

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Oh look, a good hamburger is nice too, but yeah, I probably would go, there's a simplicity,

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there's a raw simplicity to a hot dog and I can appreciate that.

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Uh, but then beyond that, I don't know, tater salad.

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Can you grill tater salad?

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No, I mean, I like having Ron White.

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For those of you who don't know who that is, he is a comedian who goes by tater salad.

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Uh, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Ron White and Alex Jones.

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I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones, but I know enough about Ron White.

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Yeah, blue collar comedy tour.

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Indeed.

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Ron White.

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Hell yeah.

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Tater salad.

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So Jordan, today we are going over, uh, we're back in the past.

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Yeah.

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Um, real quick.

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Do you mind?

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Uh, I just want to say on our last episode, uh, in the character of a proud boy, I used

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silly little girl as a derogatory term.

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Well, coming from the mouth of the proud boy as the, yeah.

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Yeah.

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In, in that character.

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And it's, uh, something that I, because I was pretending to be a proud boy, assumed

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everyone would hear as being, this is what an evil person does.

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Right.

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This is what a shitty person does.

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But at the same time, it still came out of my mouth.

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So I understand everybody who heard it and felt like I'm participating in this idea

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of silly little girl being, uh, an insult, being, uh, something that you wouldn't want

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to be.

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Uh, and I think that's bullshit.

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Uh, I do not want to participate in that at all.

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And if, uh, uh, you, what do you mean is, what do you mean?

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Oh, no, I mean, I mean, cause that almost sounds like, fuck you.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I got real scared.

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This is the episode where Jordan turns fucking free speech advocate on us all.

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Oh no.

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And now I want to say that I wasn't being in character as a proud boy.

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I am a proud boy.

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No, I think it's terrible to use that.

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Uh, there's nothing.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think, I think there's a blind spots that you can have as you go through life.

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And I think that that's probably one of them.

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We talked about this before we started recording, like the idea of like, well, sure you are

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in a character where you are personifying somebody who is bad saying something bad.

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Right.

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And, and I don't think that anybody who heard the episode didn't understand that, but at

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the same time, at what point does that excuse fall apart?

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And it might be much earlier than you just subconsciously believe.

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Right.

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Because in that character, you still wouldn't be throwing around the N word or something

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like that, even though they might.

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Pretty quick and easy way to tell if they're, if they're a bad guy.

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Right.

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Right.

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But it doesn't make it any better.

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Right.

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I just, it's just the lack of creativity on my part.

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Sure.

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That's what I see it as.

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Or, or just, uh, you know, uh, subconsciously not recognizing how, uh, it might be heard

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to somebody else.

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Yeah.

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And it's just a reminder to be more thoughtful and, uh, uh, uh, direct and, uh, uh, honest

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in, in my actions instead of just, instead of just letting everything, you know, fly

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out without ever even thinking about it or examining myself.

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So thank you everybody for bringing it to my attention too.

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Amen.

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So today, Jordan, we're going back to the past.

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We are covering February 19th and 20th, 2013.

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Sure.

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And, uh, almost nothing from the 20th.

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Cause that is a fucking full of tumbleweeds just floating down the street that February

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20th episode.

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Um, and one of the things, one of the reasons is that, uh, uh, so our, our, on our last

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episode, we covered July 1st, 2019.

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Um, Alex was very extreme.

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It was very scary.

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Yeah. Um, and then on the second and third of July, he did not really develop anything

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at all.

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It was, uh, it was very much a holding pattern and it would have made for a very boring,

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very pointless episode.

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So from the present day, there's not really much, uh, to go over.

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And then also a lot of these wacky Wednesday folks are very disappointing right now.

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Yeah.

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I think they're really dropping the ball.

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I don't know what's going on with Carrie Cassidy, but she is not coming through with

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content.

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Uh, so we're back in the past and, uh, this is actually pretty interesting.

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I think, I think, I think today though, maybe underwhelming in importance based on, you

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know, the, our last episode where him and Stuart Rhodes are calling for civil war and

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all that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I remember vaguely something like that happening.

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I do think that something very interesting and fun happens on this episode.

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Uh, and it starts right here in this first clip from February 19th.

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When we come back, the top stories, the demonization of the tea party goes into ultra, ultra high

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gear.

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Folks, WWE creates racist wrestler to demonize the tea party.

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And guess who he's a fan of Alex Jones on WWE.

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They're really getting desperate.

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Yeah, Jack Swagger, Jack Swagger has come along and is now a character who is anti-immigration.

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He is, uh, this is, this is great.

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We've talked about him on the show before.

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When Marty filled in one time, he and I talked about this a little bit, but within the context

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of the timeline, it's very interesting.

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I'm going to try not to get too much into the stuff that me and Marty talked about.

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So there's not like heavy overlap, but it's so fascinating to me that this is when this

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happens.

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Like this is just on the heels of Alex being on Piers Morgan's show.

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This is just, uh, I don't know.

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Well, that's probably why the reference was included there.

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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It's a good couple months only after Sandy Hook.

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This is a fucking turbulent time for him.

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Now he's got a fucking guy in the WWE who's pretending that Alex is a fan of him.

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Yeah, that's pretty great.

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It's crazy.

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He has to feel like he's kicking butt right now.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But, uh, one of the issues that Alex has is that, um, some people think wrestling is real

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and is in as much as they are fighting, you know, like, you know, you do still have to

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put your body through a lot, you know, it is real in that sense.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're amazing storytellers.

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That is real in that sense, but yeah.

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And they don't get health insurance, which means they're real people like the rest of

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us.

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Everything is predetermined though, and they're doing storylines, but Alex believes that some

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people are incapable of understanding that it's, uh, that it's, uh, you know, storytelling

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is a medium.

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I believe him, uh, because of him.

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Well, that's one of the examples that he uses himself.

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People say, oh, wrestling, that's fake.

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Nobody believes that.

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Oh, really?

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I'd say about half the wrestling fans.

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I grew up in Dallas, Texas, folks around it all.

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Okay.

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You know, I'd go to the shopping mall.

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There'd be the Von Erichs there, everybody yelling and screaming, running after them.

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I'd say about half the kids in my neighborhood thought it was real.

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And then they'd, you know, get to be teenagers and pile, drive some neighbor kid and put

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them in a coma.

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That actually happened.

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I believe that was, if I recall, that was, yeah, those Nigerian scammers.

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I know a couple people, Jesus Christ, Alex.

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So his argument that people think that wrestling is real is like me and my friends back when

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I was a kid thought it was real.

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It's like, well, to be fair, there's a couple variables at play.

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One, that's when you were really young.

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And then two, that was back when kayfabe was way more seriously protected.

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Like the idea of the business back then of like, if you are seen in public with someone

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you're feuding with, you better start fighting.

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Like if you two are at a bar having a drink together, you have to start fighting.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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Like there's a story about, I think it was Cody Rhodes told about his dad, Dusty Rhodes,

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about how he would like fake an injury around the house because it was part of his wrestling

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storyline.

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Jesus Christ.

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Like even when he's home alone with his family, he'd have like a bum leg from something.

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Why do we ever even bother with Daniel Day Lewis?

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That guy fucking sucks compared to 90s wrestlers, apparently.

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Yeah, in 80s and 70s.

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There's a real method to back then.

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Like it's seriously taking it very seriously because if the illusion is gone, then the

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illusion is gone.

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Yeah.

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And you're never getting it back.

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Yeah.

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And especially back then, that was what a lot of it was sold as.

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Like these were heroes and they were actually fighting each other.

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Right.

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If you have them buddying up off ours, it takes away the, we really want to fight each

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other.

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Let me at them.

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Right.

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And so, you know, whatever.

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Alex, when he was younger, was much closer to that era of wrestling than 2013.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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Uh, so in this next clip, we already heard Alex say that he thinks about half of the

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wrestling audience thinks it's all real.

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Yes, himself.

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Here is where that takes a real spin for the weird.

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And some people go, cause it's a joke.

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I totally get it.

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Like I've thought about going to it for entertainment purposes.

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Uh, you know, I, I was just like, I went to a monster truck deal.

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I mean, it's fun to do that.

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It's a big joke for most people, but for a lot of people, WWE, it's not a joke.

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Uh, and now their demographics are about half.

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I saw this in the wall street journal last year, about half the WWE attendees and viewers

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are Hispanic.

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What?

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Okay.

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So, cause it's, it's big down in Mexico, the whole fake wrestling thing.

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What are we doing here?

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They have a Jack black movie about that.

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Okay.

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What are we doing here?

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Catholic priest goes and becomes one.

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Not to leave.

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Why are we doing this?

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It's big.

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Okay.

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And, and, and so the new audience, and now I've learned it's not just Jack swagger.

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It, most of the white people are now going to be, uh, idiot, bad people who are racist

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and hate and hate Hispanics, and then get defeated by guys with Mexican flags.

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That sounds right.

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Does it?

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That's right.

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That's what it's going to be.

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He's found, he's heard that from now on, it's not just Jack swagger.

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It's going to be all white dudes getting beaten up by minorities and stuff.

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Man.

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That would be an interesting creative turn for the WWE.

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Certainly.

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I think their fan base would not appreciate that as much as Alex thinks they might.

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No, maybe not.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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I think, I think it would be an interesting experiment and one that was not undertaken

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after 2013.

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Are you sure?

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Positive.

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So, um, it's interesting that earlier he said that half of the audience can't tell if it's

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real or fake.

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They think it's real.

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And then now half of the audience is Hispanic.

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Right.

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Interesting.

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These ratios are the same.

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It does sound interesting.

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So there's something interesting happening in Alex's discussion of whether or not

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people think that the WWE and pro wrestling is real.

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He accepts that a lot of people get that it's scripted, but in defending his claim that

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a lot of people also think that it's real.

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He points out that half of the audience is now Hispanic as if to imply that this cross

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section of the audience is in some way less capable of understanding that wrestling is

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a storytelling art form.

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That alone is deeply bigoted of a position to have.

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And this is only made worse when Alex slips up a little bit and says this a little bit

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later.

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And the commentators are like, yeah, Jack Swagger gets that Alex Jones fan mail.

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Limball likes him too.

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You're like, well, it's just, it's a joke.

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No, it's not.

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The viewers out there watching it, mainly illegal aliens, about half their audience

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are sitting there really believing it's real and really believing that I'm sending fan

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mail to Jack Swagger.

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So in the first clip, he said the audience who was incapable of telling that wrestling

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was fake was half the audience that were Hispanic.

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And now just a little bit later, he's saying that half of the audience is illegal immigrants.

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This is how Alex sees this segment of the population.

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They're all illegal immigrants to him, whether they are or not, whether they're documented

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or not.

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He is using a Mexican, Hispanic, and illegal immigrant interchangeably.

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Yeah, they're synonymous.

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Yeah, that's fucked up.

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That is fucked up.

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Beyond that, there's some true comedy to what Alex is doing here.

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To explain that, I need to explain a little bit of what's going on.

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And like I said earlier, Marty DeRosa and I covered this in a past episode a little

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bit, so I'm going to try and just hit the main bullet points.

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In 2013, Alberto Del Rio was the WWE heavyweight champ.

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His character was a little bit of a flashy, cocky Mexican guy.

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One of the things that WWE is known for doing, often very poorly and distastefully, is that

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they make some of their storylines mirror things that are happening in the real world.

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In this case, the writers, for better or worse, decided that a good foil for their flashy,

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cocky Mexican champion would be an anti-immigration right-wing dude who constantly throws out

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dog whistles, like constantly saying,

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we the people, after saying something vaguely racist and threatening.

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Which was what Jack Swagger's character, for the most part, was.

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Gotcha.

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The writers built this feud around the idea that Jack Swagger and his manager, Zeb Colter,

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would cut promos about how they're what America really is about.

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And Del Rio didn't belong here, and certainly didn't deserve to be champ.

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The plan, obviously, is for Swagger to be a big shithead who antagonizes Del Rio,

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all culminating in a pay-per-view where Del Rio defeats the racist villain.

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And that's more or less what happened.

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It's just basic wrestling storylines, all things considered, with one very basic and

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massive twist, namely that the ethnic character was not the default bad guy.

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Yeah, that's good.

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Yeah.

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That's nice.

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Whether you're a fan of it or not, it's pretty dumb to try and argue against the idea that

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pro-wrestling has xenophobia in its DNA.

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So much of the business has been built on noble white heroes defeating scary,

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sometimes ethnic, but sometimes not, foreign heels.

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Uh, so, of course, there was the very unfortunate case of the group Kai and Tai,

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who were a late 90s group of Japanese wrestlers who had their promos dubbed like they were

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in an old Godzilla movie.

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And they might or may not have been in Yakuza, and also tried to cut off Val Venis's penis.

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All right.

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I remember Val Venis's penis.

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I remember that.

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That, I remember that being in the 90s and thinking, this is fine.

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And I'm sure Alex did too.

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And now that I look back on it, I'm like, wow, they could just do that.

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Huh?

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I'm going to guess that Alex didn't do an episode of his show about how this is demonizing

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Japanese Americans.

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I really don't think he did.

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There have been plenty of very racist gimmicks that are kind of embarrassing to look back

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at, like the witch doctor, Papa Shango, or the dancing African warrior, Saba Simba,

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the literal terrorist, Muhammad Hassan, or the cannibal headhunter, Kamala.

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The list goes on and on.

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The roots of so many easy bad guy tropes were created with guys like the Iron Sheik, Nikolai

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Volkov, and Sergeant Slaughter when he decided to side with a rock during the Gulf War.

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They often do this very poorly and with very little class.

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But ultimately, what the WWE is in the business of doing is creating emotional responses to

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their product.

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One of the best way to do that is to create characters that fit pretty easy archetypes

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and have them yell at each other about how their archetypes are in conflict with each

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other.

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Right now, for example, in the WWE, one of the top bad guys is Daniel Bryan, and his

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character is basically just a preachy vegan environmentalist.

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Wait, he's a bad guy now?

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Yeah.

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Last I heard, we were all big fans of him.

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No, everyone still loves him because he's really talented, and he's really good at his

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character, but he's a bad guy.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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He won the WWE Championship and remade the belt with hemp because he refused to wear

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a belt made of dead cows.

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Hilarious.

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He's a guy who's taking a lot of the stereotypes of liberals, eco-crusaders, and then he performs

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them as a bad guy with amazing skill.

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And you know what?

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I haven't heard any vegans or environmentalists or liberals screaming about how this is meant

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to demonize their positions, and I suspect it's because they're not a bunch of big old

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dum-dums.

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They get that there are certain things that are kind of annoying about their positions,

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and it's in good fun to see those things exaggerated to create a villainous character out of it.

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This is how the Tea Party folks and Alex should have responded to Jack Swagger if they were

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adults.

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They should have realized and recognized that, yeah, there do seem to be a bit of, you know,

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at least a couple fucked up racists among our ranks, and that's something that could

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stand a little bit of exaggeration or parody in the interest of telling a compelling wrestling

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story.

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Ultimately, it could have even been an opportunity to have a much-needed conversation about what

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is and is not acceptable within their communities, but they can't do any of that for two reasons.

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Especially people like Alex.

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One, they took it personally.

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Deep down, they knew that the things that Jack Swagger and Zeb Coulter and their characters,

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the things that they were exaggerating and parodying were actually things that they themselves

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believed, and they took the presentation of Swagger as the bad guy for holding those beliefs

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as a personal criticism.

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And two, they're goddamn con men looking for anything they can do to raise their profile.

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The fact that Jack Swagger said that he liked Alex Jones is the best fucking thing to ever

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happen for Alex Jones.

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Getting on Piers Morgan's show was big for Alex's exposure, but Alex knows that this

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has the potential to be gigantic.

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The rub is that it can only be gigantic if Alex can capitalize on it, and laughing it

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off as a storyline in wrestling, that's not how con men capitalize.

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Ultimately, I think it's super interesting as a glimpse into how desperate all of these

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right-wing folks are for attention.

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Alex and Glenn Beck both went completely nuts when a wrestling character mentioned them,

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because they knew that if they could penetrate that market, they had a chance to really balloon

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their ranks.

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It's also interesting to see this happen at the time it does.

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We're seeing that in February 2013, Alex is in a very defensive position about media covering

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him.

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There's the weeks-long freakout about Piers Morgan that seems to be coming to a close,

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kind of.

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Then on our last episode, we saw him freaking out about CNN and The Atlantic accurately

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covering him.

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This opportunity to lash out at the WWE could not have come at a better time for him, and

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I bet we're going to be hearing a whole lot about this in the future.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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I am going to guess that he makes the biggest deal out of this.

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I'm not stoked, because also it sounds like-

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I'm fucking stoked as shit.

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It sounds like in the clip that he's actually just mad they think that he would send a fan

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letter.

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No, no, no, no.

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He sounds like, and they think I would send a fan letter?

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How dare them?

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So one of the things that's really interesting about this, and this is something that me

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and Marty discussed, is that they did not care about Alex Jones, the WWE.

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This was far more about Glenn Beck.

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Okay.

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Because Glenn Beck was actually on mainstream TV at the time.

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Whereas Alex is just in his own platform.

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So in the same way that Alex is trying to latch on to the WWE to try and get some attention,

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the WWE recognized that this is also a really good carny thing for us.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because if we could fuck with them, we could all make money off this.

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This is good business for both of us.

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Yeah.

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So as soon as the people like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones started to push back on them, they

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dove full on into it.

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But it turned bad, because Glenn Beck started calling wrestling fans idiots.

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Oh no.

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And he started to get really shitty about wrestling fans and how they're all fucking

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stupid.

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And you're kind of even hearing Alex expressing some of that with the idea that they can't

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tell what's real or not.

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So in an unprecedented event in pro wrestling, I don't know if I'm sure this may have happened

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at some other point, but I can't think of another time.

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Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter cut a promo where they explained what wrestling is to Glenn

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Beck.

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And here is the beginning of that promo.

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My name is Zeb Colter.

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And I am Jack Swagger.

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And we are real Americans.

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We believe in the First Amendment.

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We say the things that need to be said, whether people want to hear them or not.

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We are here to prevent this once great country from eroding into bankruptcy, both financially

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and morally.

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We believe in some very simple principles.

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We believe that if you live in this country, you shouldn't speak Spanish, Chinese, Arabic,

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German, or hell, even pig Latin.

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You should speak English.

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We believe that real Americans are struggling to find jobs because people from other countries

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are sneaking across our borders and are willing to work for next to no money.

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They're stealing jobs from real Americans.

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Thieves.

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And we believe that if you sneak across our borders and are in our country illegally,

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then you should leave.

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And if you don't want to leave, well, that's where Jack and I come in.

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We will make you leave.

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And we believe that the world champion of WWE, Alberto Del Rio, is a perfect example

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of the problems that plague our country, which is why Jack Swagger is going to beat Alberto

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Del Rio at WrestleMania, win the world title, and begin to set things right in this country.

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But Jack won't be alone.

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He will have an army of support behind him.

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We, the people.

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Hey, Glenn Beck, what you just saw, we call a promo.

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It's a scene we record to elicit a positive or negative reaction from our fans.

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See, we are entertainers.

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My name is Jake Hager.

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And I'm Wayne Cowan.

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We are performers for WWE.

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Zeb Coulter is the character I play.

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Jack Swagger is the character Jake plays.

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We aren't in the political business or the immigration business.

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We are in the entertainment business.

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Everything we do as our characters is designed to tell stories.

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Right now, the story we're telling is that Zeb Coulter and Jack Swagger are using the

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current relevant and topical story of immigration to target the WWE world champion Alberto Del

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Rio, also a character played by my friend Jose Rodriguez.

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In our story, we are the antagonist and Alberto is the protagonist.

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They're just explaining storytelling.

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It's amazing.

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That's fantastic.

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Yeah.

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It's you'll notice like in the middle of it, he said Glenn Beck.

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I know.

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Because they're interested in Glenn Beck, not in Alex Jones.

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I imagine if Glenn Beck, I wish I dreamed this sequence happened, but Glenn Beck is

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home alone and he just starts watching this and then the TV starts talking directly to

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him.

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Holy shit.

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That was the, I had that moment right there where he just says Glenn Beck.

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I was like, Oh my God, it's like in a horror movie where the TV just starts talking to

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you and then you get fucked up by a ghost.

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I mean, even though like the strictness of the kayfabe rules and all that aren't as severe

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now, it's still bizarre to see wrestlers be like, this is not my real name.

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I am a character.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think some of it is due to the like, these people were really insulting the audience

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of wrestling.

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And I think that wrestlers and the company itself probably took a bit of offense to that,

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at least on some level.

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And so this whole promo is largely like you're calling our audience stupid.

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Let us explain why you are stupid.

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Yeah.

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In fact, you sir are the dumb one.

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So it's directed specifically at Glenn Beck and that leads to them giving Glenn Beck

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a little bit of an invitation at the end of the promo.

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We look forward to continuing to tell provocative, funny, dramatic, and sometimes controversial

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stories with characters of all backgrounds and beliefs.

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Many of your followers are WWE fans, and they understand the difference between reality

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and entertainment.

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Are you out of touch with your audience, Glenn, or are you just a stupid political commentator?

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Mr. Beck, we cordially invite you to Monday Night Raw and Dallas at the American Airlines

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Center this Monday, where you can deliver a five minute unedited rebuttal to our global

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TV audience and a sold out crowd of 12,000 stupid wrestling fans.

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Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.

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You see, real Americans like Zeb Colter and Jack Swagger won't stand for the systematic

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methodical destruction of the country our forefathers built.

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Alberto Del Rio is part of this problem and we're going to fix it.

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We the people.

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Thanks, buddy.

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Yeah, that's why he needed Zeb Colter, because he's not as good on the microphone as Zeb

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is pretty fucking electric.

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Zeb is dynamic.

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So one of the things that's amazing about this is like, that's such an awesome response.

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Like, hey, Glenn Beck, we'll give you five minutes to get your ass booed off.

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He would have been booed for five minutes.

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It would have been merciless.

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I imagine he didn't go.

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No.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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God, I wish you had audio of that.

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But also, Alex has got to be furious that he didn't get the invitation.

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He didn't even get nothing.

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It's in Texas.

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He's got to be furious.

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Because Alex would have gone.

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I don't know if he would have.

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He might have sent Rob Dew or something.

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Hey, Dew, get your ass booed out.

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When you get booed, I will say, I wouldn't have gotten booed.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, that'd be great.

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Perfect setup.

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Perfect.

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Now, the other thing, too, is that like, if you really listen to that promo, except for

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rolling the R in Del Rio, that doesn't sound that different from what Alex says at all.

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No.

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It's not that different.

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Well, it's a parody, slightly.

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I mean...

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Only very slightly.

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See, I think they couldn't help but take it personally, because if I understand correctly,

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Beck and Alex both took it personally, and that pretty much ruined a golden opportunity

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for all parties involved to just keep that conflict machine rolling and rolling and dope.

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I think Alex might have been willing to engage with it like that, but since they were focused

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on Beck and didn't give a shit about Alex.

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Right, right, right.

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Maybe he didn't have a chance to do work, you know, do the job for him.

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Yeah, because...

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But I think also probably they never would have gotten involved with Alex in any real

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way, because Alex would never allow himself to look bad.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He wouldn't do the job for somebody.

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No, no, no, no.

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If you're gonna get involved, if you are Alex Jones in this situation with this storyline,

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let's say, and the WWE brings you in, the way they'd probably bring you in is to say

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whatever you want and then get fake attacked by Alberto Del Rio.

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Yeah, of course.

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And then Seb Coulter saves you or something like that.

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Easy peasy.

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Yeah, and Alex would never go along with that.

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That's true, because he'd have to appear to be getting his ass kicked first.

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Right, the only way he would agree to it is like, if I can yell at people for five years.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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How do we present that?

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There's no way.

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No.

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No, you're not doing it.

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Oh, but yeah, I mean...

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What you take offense to is the fact that he's the bad guy.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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It's not the characterization.

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It's only that he's the bad guy, because he's saying things that are very similar to their

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positions and what they believe.

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I mean, he's saying things that are similar to it, but I think his actual positions are

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exactly what they believe.

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Like, the problem is...

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Heavy overlap.

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The problem is, the parody is more accurate than what he presents, if you understand what

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I'm saying.

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They're far more racist in parodying that kind of character than Alex is publicly, but

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privately, they're exactly as racist as the parody is, you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Whether or not you're right, I think there's something to that, especially in the way that

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Alex is mixing up Hispanics and illegal immigrants in this very intro to this episode.

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Yeah, I think so.

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I just think that it could be summed up as, he's the bad guy, I don't like that.

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Yeah, probably.

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In the past, this would have been a white guy fighting Papa Shango, and he would have

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won.

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He would have been the good guy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And one time, the white guy doesn't win.

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I can't be having that.

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No.

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Cannot have it.

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So the big problem is that the owners of the WWE, Vince McMahon and Linda McMahon, they're

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fucking sellouts to the GOP.

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That's what's going on here.

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Here's Alex complaining about Linda McMahon.

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Really?

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Doesn't matter what I really said, because CNN and MSNBC and all these other outfits

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are preying on their audience just like Vince McMahon and his establishment Republican

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wife.

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Oh, establishment Republican wife.

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Now, we'll get into why that's silly.

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But before we do, Alex has got to talk some more shit about Linda McMahon.

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I'm excited.

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And it's the Republican Party, the Republican Party leadership, I mean, he spent tens of

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millions.

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How much does she spend running in the Senate?

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It was some record number.

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Is it 50, 60 million?

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Look up how much McMahon's wife spent on her Senate-run form.

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I think it's like 60 million or something.

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My memory serves.

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The point is she couldn't even get in.

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And so now they're just throwing themselves at the power structure's feet.

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Look, we'll do whatever you say.

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So the argument here is that the GOP hates the Tea Party.

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And so because the McMahons are such establishment GOP folk, they're falling at the feet of the

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GOP in order to demonize the Tea Party by way of a character.

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Right.

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So they did it.

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Linda McMahon ran for Senate in Connecticut in 2010 and 2012.

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She's mostly remembered for losing both times and spending shitloads of money on each campaign.

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She spent approximately $100 million on those two campaigns.

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And according to USA Today, $77 million of that was her own money.

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Even after she lost those races, she stayed around in the world of politics as a mega

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donor for Republican candidates.

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What you have to understand is that the WWE has a whole hell of a lot to lose if they're

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subjected to regulation.

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The way they classify their wrestlers as independent contractors has been the subject of a lot

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of conversation recently.

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And if they had to treat them like an employee with the protections that come from that designation,

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their profits would be cut drastically.

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Spending $100 million on politics is a pretty small loss compared to what they would lose

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if more left-leaning ideas about workers' rights were to become ascendant and more universally

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applied.

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The idea of these people who are, like, growing old with these injuries that they sustained

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from years and years of wrestling.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like, there's so many protections that would cost them hundreds and hundreds of millions

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of dollars.

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So to fight back against that, it makes sense to give millions and millions of dollars to

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people who will help protect the business.

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Yeah, every part of that is logical and makes sense in the world we live in.

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It's the absolute nightmarish worst.

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What?

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That can't be allowed.

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That can't be okay.

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In the 2016 campaign, Linda McMahon donated $7 million to Trump-aligned super PACs.

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She and Vince were big supporters of Trump's campaign, which shouldn't surprise anyone

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too much since Donald Trump was entered into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2013.

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And he was inducted into the Hall by Vince McMahon himself.

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From 1995 to the present day, the only two people that Vince McMahon gave Hall of Fame

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induction speeches for were Donald Trump and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

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Also...

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I hate everything.

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Yeah, it's crazy.

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I hate everything.

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What?

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No!

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How do you not...

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If you're Vince McMahon, how do you not give Stone Cold's induction speech?

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Like the two of them were such a big part of the Attitude Era, the defining feud of

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that time, makes total sense.

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And then Donald Trump.

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Jesus Christ.

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Also, a little fun irony, the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony takes place on WrestleMania

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weekend.

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It's all part of a days-long celebration that they have.

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Trump was inducted in 2013, which if you're paying attention, is the same year when Alberto

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Del Rio fought Jack Swagger at WrestleMania.

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It's the same year that we're talking about right now.

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And that's why he ran for president in the first place.

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He was just mad that Del Rio won.

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Could have been.

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Also, Trump was booed off stage when he gave his acceptance speech.

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Yay!

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It turns out the New York crowd was not super into a guy they were very familiar with who's

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been a piece of shit locally for a couple decades.

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Yeah, pretty much everybody in New York hates him.

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Yeah, bad idea to induct Trump into the Hall of Fame in New York, I think.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So the McMahons and Trump have had a really interesting relationship over the years.

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They began working together in 1988 when Trump was instrumental in helping the then-WWF bring

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WrestleMania IV to Atlantic City.

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They hosted the event at the Atlantic City Convention Hall, which was called Trump Plaza

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in advertisements.

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They would return to the venue for WrestleMania V, making it the only place to host the event

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in two consecutive years ever.

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In 2004, when WrestleMania was in New York, Donald Trump was in attendance.

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Jesse Ventura interviewed him and asked if he was, uh, if Ventura were to get back into

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politics, could he count on Trump's support?

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Trump said 100%, to which Ventura yells to the crowd that it seems like we need a wrestler

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in the White House in 2008.

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It's very grim to watch in hindsight.

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Man.

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Also, Jesse Ventura very heavily dying his beard at that point.

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Oh, okay.

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Very dark beard.

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That was, that was when he was doing that?

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Was, had he already gone completely bald at that point?

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I don't, I don't, he might have been wearing a bandana.

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Yeah.

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He's pretty cool, though.

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He is pretty cool.

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In January 2007, Vince McMahon was in the ring doing, uh, during what was supposed to be,

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uh, fan appreciation night on Raw.

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But instead of appreciating the fans, he proceeded to call them ungrateful and basically made

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it all about himself.

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In the middle of his skit, he's interrupted by Trump on the big screen, who tells him

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that he's, uh, he tells him that he's better than Vince, uh, and then Trump jumps, uh,

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he dumped a bunch of money on the fans out of the sky.

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And it thus began a feud between Vince and Trump called the Battle of the Billionaires.

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I hate everything.

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Yeah.

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I hate everything.

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Trump was even then, uh, obviously in no shape to wrestle, even though, uh, Vince swole as

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hell.

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Uh, so they decided to choose fighters to represent them who would then compete in a

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hair versus hair match.

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The loser would have to shave their head.

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And if you're not an idiot you knew from minute one, that means Trump was going to win.

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Absolutely.

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There's no way Trump's shaving his head.

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Not a chance.

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Vince chose Umaga to be his fighter and Trump chose Bobby Lashley, who he described in an

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interview with Imus, Don Imus, as quote, Bobby Lindsay, a black gentleman and the strongest

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man I've ever seen.

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Did-

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Bobby Lindsay.

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Did he, did he just mandingo us?

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Did that just happen?

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It's a mess.

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So Stone Cold was the special ref for the match.

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So after Lashley won and they shaved Vince's head, Stone Cold and Trump celebrated in Stone

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Cold fashion, which is to say that Stone Cold chugged some beers and then gave Trump a

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stunner.

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It's completely bizarre and very grim in hindsight.

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Yeah.

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This is all, this is all a tragic, tragic thing.

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Yeah.

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Now what's interesting about this is the timing.

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This was in January 2007 and that collaboration between Trump and the McMahons, that's the

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point when it was heating up.

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But behind closed doors, behind the scenes, they were collaborating a bit more as well.

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Donald Trump had been running the Trump Foundation, which New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood

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described as being engaged in a quote, shocking pattern of illegality.

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In their 2015 IRS filing, the foundation admits to self-dealing or transferring assets or

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income to disqualified individuals.

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He used more than $250,000 of foundation money to settle disputes arising from his golf courses

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and hotels.

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He used $20,000 of foundation money to buy a portrait of himself that no one else wanted

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to buy.

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It doesn't seem like too much of a controversial statement to say that there is a pattern of

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illegal behavior surrounding the Trump Foundation.

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You could have gotten rid of the foundation.

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Sure.

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But I'm talking specifically about that.

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Oh, okay.

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So Trump stopped putting his own money into the Trump Foundation in 2006.

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And his biggest donor in 2007 was Vince McMahon, who gave the Trump Foundation $4 million in

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2007.

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The foundation's total stated fundraising that year was $4.1 million.

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And Vince McMahon would go on to give another million in 2009.

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If you count it all up, you're looking at an amount over $12 million that the McMahons

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have given to Trump between 2007 and 2016.

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So it makes a lot of sense that when Trump was elected, one of his first positions he

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filled was to make Linda McMahon his head of the Small Business Administration.

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She served in that position until recently.

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On April 15th, 2019, it was announced that she was going to be moving on to become the

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chair of the pro-Trump super PAC America First Action, the exact same super PAC that Sheriff

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David Clark became board member of after he left the sheriff's office.

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Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is also a senior adviser for America First

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Action.

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Fun fact, America First Action between 2016 and 2018 spent over $460,000 of the money

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that it brought in at Trump-owned properties.

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They paid over $120,000 to two firms directly tied to Sheriff David Clark.

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There is a clear pattern that you can decide for yourself.

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I don't like that all of this is happening.

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I think it's bad first.

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I think the thing that I hate most about it is probably how obvious it is and blatant

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and how nobody's doing anything about it.

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Yeah, a lot of people have made some pretty salient points about how it seems like these

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Trump super PACs are just places where people who get cast off and maybe know stuff end

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up getting parachutes.

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Yeah.

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People have suggested that.

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I don't know if you could prove it, but it seems like, huh, all these weirdos who are

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really like big Trump boosters and then become unaffected, unaffected anymore seem to all

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funnel into these America First policies and America First Action.

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Yeah, and I doubt their opinions on a lot of stuff are very valuable towards a campaign

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arm and maybe they're more just about getting a lot of money.

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Who knows?

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Could be.

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Anyway, my point here is that the McMahon family has been deeply involved with Donald

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Trump for decades.

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There's a real irony for Alex to be calling them out as GOP stooges in bed with a new

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world order here in 2013 when they had a huge part in Alex's hero getting elected as president.

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And there's another funny piece here, too.

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The McMahons got paid.

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When Trump won the election, he gave Linda a job that she had no business doing, even

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though she was primarily...

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She had no small business doing.

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Right.

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Even though she was primarily known as a pro wrestling promoter and a person who spent

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$100 million losing elections, he still gave her a job.

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She was an embarrassing entity and Trump still put her in office, something that he

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would never do for Alex.

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The McMahons are Trump collaborators.

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Alex is a useful idiot.

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Yep.

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There's a big distinction there, and it's really funny to hear him back in the past

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being like,

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He's fucking...

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Little does he know all the stuff.

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Man, little did any of us know.

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We didn't know anything.

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No.

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None of us had any clue because this all sounds like a fucking joke, Dan.

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It does.

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None of this sounds...

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This is a fucking SNL sketch.

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This is not the goddamn world.

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It's very bizarre.

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So in this next clip, Alex calls for a boycott of the WWE, which is cool because he's real

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into boycotts of stuff.

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And then he says something kind of grim at the end.

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You witch!

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Bucket of pus!

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Okay, and I'm telling everybody, boycott the WWE and the rest of it.

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They are anti-American filth out there trying to imply anybody that wants sovereignty and

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doesn't want this country bankrupted.

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The illegal aliens are being brought in here to vote take our guns, folks.

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I'd rather convert them and turn them over to liberty.

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But let me tell you, that's not happening.

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The globalists want the illegals here.

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I don't want them here.

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It's simple.

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Globalists are for it.

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I'm against it.

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All right.

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Oh, okay.

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So you're just a contrarian.

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That just...

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Yeah.

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You haven't thought through your positions?

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Just contrarian.

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Nope.

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The idea there at the end is really fucking dark and stupid.

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That sort of idea like, I would love to try and convince these folks to love liberty and

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my positions, but it's not even worth it to try and convince them.

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They are brainwashed by the left or too stupid to understand my positions, therefore enemy.

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That's very bad.

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Also, I would love to get a super cut together of all the times that Alex and Paul Joseph

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Watson have been so mad that someone wants to boycott Chick-fil-A or something like that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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How dare you?

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How dare you do a boycott?

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Right.

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Fuck off.

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Immediately after they call for a boycott of something, it's so stupid.

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So stupid. They're all so fucking... It's infuriating.

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It's only infuriating when it comes to principles.

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Yeah.

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When they pretend to have some sort of a high ground, that's when it's infuriating.

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Yeah, it makes it so... It's so annoying because it's so laid bare how little...

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How they just... There are no consequences in their sphere.

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Nah, shit don't matter.

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None.

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So Alex is up in a tizzy about Jack Swagger, but it turns out across the pond,

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over in jolly old England...

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Yeah, they got Swagger Jack.

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Paul Joseph Watson is also pissed off about this.

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Why?

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And he has created a special report about the issue.

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Okay.

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And here's a little piece of it.

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The WWE commentators said that these two racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant,

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hate figures received fan mail from none other than Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.

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Swagger, Daniel Bryan, they're gonna put him away.

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Joseph's got a lot of fan mail so far from Rush Limbaugh.

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Bags of it.

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Or Alex Jones, for that matter.

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Glenn Beck, I think.

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Or Alex Jones, as you see Daniel Bryan now.

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It's clearly a joke.

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Like even... And that's what they're operating off of.

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They're laughing.

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The commentators are laughing.

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They're making a joke.

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So...

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They're not even saying that he literally got fan mail from any of those people.

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That is an exaggeration for humor of his patriot-y positions.

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He played that, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He played that?

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That's from Paul's report.

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Okay.

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Paul, that's disqualifying.

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Anybody who listens to that, nobody's gonna then get their hackles raised again.

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Well, they would if you already frame it.

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If you frame it as being real.

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Really?

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I don't know.

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I mean, the way he came out, it's just incongruous.

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You know, like he's coming out like, these people are hating on all of us and we're...

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You know, and then you play that clip and you're like...

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They're joking.

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Yeah, that's weak.

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You got nothing, man.

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The commentators are fucking joking.

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Yeah.

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They're laughing.

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Yeah.

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It's nonsense.

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Even if it was...

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Yeah.

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So, whatever.

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We may get back to this here in a bit.

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We may not.

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Who knows?

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But in this next clip, I found this to be really illuminating.

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It's Alex doing a rundown of the day's headlines.

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Okay.

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And if you pay close attention or don't, you'll see that all he's doing is reading Drudge.

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Update.

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Russian foreign minister finally takes Kerry's call.

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We're getting to all that.

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Kremlin accuses Texas mother of killing adopted son.

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Son trashes Ted Turner in race.

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That's amazing.

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Of course, I'm reading off the Drudge report.

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The really important news is Robert Plant hints he's open to Zeppelin reunion.

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How are you going to do that without John Bonham?

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Good point.

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I don't know where to live.

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What is going on?

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It's crazy, man.

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He even is open about it.

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Like, I'm just reading off headlines that I haven't read the stories of on Drudge report.

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You're not doing a news show.

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You're not doing an analysis show.

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You are cold reading headlines from Drudge.

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That's half of his career.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, it's irresponsible.

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That is amazing.

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Yep.

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So in this next clip, Alex wants to talk about the youth culture causing violence through

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video games and wrestling psych meds.

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Now he's off the wrestling.

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Okay, it's sort of a triumvirate video games, right?

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Psych meds, of course.

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And the devil.

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See, everybody keeps wondering why every one of these mass shooters has been a first person

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shooter video game addict in every case, and they've been on serotonin reuptake inhibitors

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or other psychotropic drugs.

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You mix those things together.

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They then people didn't give in to the prevailing youth culture of devil worship and destruction.

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And then they think it's really cool to go kill little kids.

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My response to that is like, shut up, old man.

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Yeah.

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Is this the satanic panic of the 80s?

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Are we is he somebody's mom?

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What is going on here?

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You can't be more of an old man like these video games are making the prevailing culture

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in the youth of the devil.

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They love the devil.

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They're having lipstick parties.

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Are your youth doing weird shit today?

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They might be rainbow parties, rainbow, lipstick, whatever.

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It's all the same fucking lie bullshit that nobody ever did.

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So on this episode, Alex, he descends into a lot of long graphic fantasies about how

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he thinks the globalists are probably going to kill him.

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And then he keeps insisting that he's never going to hurt his family or himself.

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But for the bulk of the show, I had no idea why he was doing that.

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Yeah, why?

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It just seemed out of place, seemed very bizarre.

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And then towards the end of the show, he brings up this case as a way of leading into an introduction

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for his next guest, who is investigative reporter, non investigative reporter, Wayne Madsen.

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Let me give you the background on this document.

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Cam shot police, former airline pilot and conspiracy theorist.

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See, it's OK, because he's a conspiracy theorist.

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He didn't trust the government.

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He wrote a book.

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He worked as a contract pilot for black ops.

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And that's why they had government people that mainstream admits take everything out

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of his house after he was dead.

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National security came and took everything out of the house.

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Former airline pilot and conspiracy theorist shot dead his two teenage children and his

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dog before turning the gun on himself because the police say so.

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The neighbors all say he was great and super nice and didn't even keep his gun loaded and

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said he was being followed because of his book, The Big Bamboozle, Philip Marshall.

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So Wayne Madsen is going to come in and he's got a big report on this, this Philip Marshall.

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This is where Alex is getting his ideas that the government is going to come kill him and

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kill his family in order to make it look like he killed his family.

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Sure.

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OK, because that's the premise that Alex has for this Philip Marshall guy.

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Oh, OK.

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So Philip Marshall was a pilot who had some connection to the CIA.

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He was involved with Barry Seal and in some capacity he was mixed up in Iran Contra, but

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not as a major player, right, but some side side piece, some soft rice.

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Sure, yeah, but with more like credible connections to it than Larry Nichols, than just a bunch

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of phone calls.

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In addition to that, he was a bit of an author and a 9-11 conspiracy theorist.

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He had published a book in 2008 called False Flag 9-11 and a book that Alex just brought

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up, The Big Bamboozle, which had been published in February 2012.

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So a year before this all went down.

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On February 2nd, 2013, Marshall and his two children, ages 18 and older, were killed in

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the hospital and his two children, aged 17 and 14, were found dead.

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The children were shot as they slept on their couch and then Marshall turned the gun on

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himself.

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The reality of the situation is an intense tragedy, but what Alex Jones and his associates

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have done to distort the situation and use it to their advantage is a travesty.

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All of this traces back to Alex's guest that he's about to bring up, Wayne Madsen, and

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it's important to remember that Wayne Madsen often just makes shit up.

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The guy who said that Hillary Clinton's personal chef was murdered and had a note attached

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to him that said, call Larry Nichols.

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That did turn out to be true, though.

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And that's far from the stupidest shit that Wayne Madsen's reported.

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You might notice that Wayne Madsen doesn't come on Alex's show anymore in 2019, and that's

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because these two dudes now hate each other.

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Madsen has decided that Alex is working for Israel, which is on brand for him since Madsen

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pretty much thinks Israel is behind everything that happens that he doesn't like.

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Anders Breivik was secretly working for Mossad.

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That's something that he reported.

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Sure.

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He reported that.

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Yeah.

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After Marshall and his children were found dead, Wayne Madsen went to the town that they

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lived in and investigated things for himself.

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And what do you know?

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He found no evidence that Philip had killed his children.

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So Wayne concluded it must be a secret assassination hit meant to punish him for the

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book he published a year prior or something.

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I can't believe they let him at the crime scene.

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I don't.

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I don't think he was.

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Oh, you don't think he was?

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Well, then how?

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So wait.

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I think he was sneaking around like.

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Of course they didn't let him at the crime scene.

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I think he was sneaking around binoculars or maybe because it's, you know, a couple

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weeks after he might have been able to get close enough.

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Like everything was probably processed by then.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Of course, he found no evidence of that he shot his kids.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You asshole.

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I went to Dallas to find out if there was any evidence.

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Right.

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That he killed his kids two states away.

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Oh, I thought you were going to do the JFK assassination.

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I went to Dallas to see if I could find any hints.

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So to that question of there being no evidence, I suspect that Wayne didn't look too hard

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because here's some of the stuff that he seems to have missed.

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Beginning in at least at least 2008, Philip Marshall and his wife, Sean Plummer, began

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having severe problems in their marriage, which seems to be pretty much all his fault.

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In November 2008, Plummer's sister told the police that he told Plummer that she, quote,

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will not see December, which is one of many overt threats that he made to her.

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Plummer's sister had reported on multiple occasions being afraid for her safety as well

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as that of Marshall's children.

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She reported that, quote, Philip keeps calling and driving by the residents, behavior that

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you might call stalking.

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On December 5th, 2008, Philip got into a physical altercation with Plummer's sister, which

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led to Plummer getting an emergency protective order against him, which he violated.

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Throughout this time, Philip was clearly involving their children in their domestic

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problems.

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When the protective order was issued, police reviewed phone messages, which had been

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turned up one that Philip had left for his daughter.

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Quote, Michaela, this is Daddy.

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We're going to have lunch.

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We need to talk right now.

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If not, something is going to happen.

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There's no circumstances under which it's acceptable to threaten your children like

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that.

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That is deeply abusive.

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Plummer initiated divorce proceedings then, back in 2008, but decided to withdraw the

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motion and try to make things work in 2009.

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In October 2012, she decided it wasn't going to work and filed for divorce again.

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All of the details at the scene of the crime match up perfectly with a double murder suicide.

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The bodies were not repositioned.

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Nothing of value was stolen from the scene.

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All the ballistic evidence was exactly as you'd expect.

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There was no sign of a struggle, and there's no disruption of the blood splatter evidence

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found, which indicates that there could not have been anyone else in close enough proximity

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to have done the shooting, since their bodies would have ended up causing gaps in the blood

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splatter.

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Philip's fingerprints were on the ammunition box and gun magazine.

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The bullets that were used matched a specific type of ammo that he'd purchased days before

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at a Big Five sporting goods store, as confirmed by receipts and security video from the store.

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Police searching the house found his safe unlocked.

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In the safe, they found his box of ammunition, which accounted for all the bullets and everything,

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and his wedding ring was sitting on top of it.

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They also found five bags of medical marijuana with a note next to it that said, quote,

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hi, Sean, which is his wife's name.

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Medical records reviewed after the murders revealed that Philip had been diagnosed with

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bipolar disorder in 2006, and due to his episodes of depression and mania, he'd been grounded

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from flying commercially in September 2006.

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They also found that in the more recent past, Philip had been suffering from chronic pain

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and had been visiting clinics trying to get pain medication.

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The bottom line is this.

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There's a whole mountain of evidence that Philip Marshall is the guy who did this and

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that he was struggling with a lot of very difficult issues.

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There are longstanding mental health battles as well as substance abuse issues, and beyond

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that, and more importantly, he clearly had a history of domestic violence, which is the

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single factor that you will almost always find in the histories of people who do things

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like Philip did.

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I feel a certain amount of empathy for what he must have been struggling with in his life,

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but that disappears really quick when you consider how he treated his wife and children

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in that 2008 to 2009 stretch and probably plenty of other times that are less documented

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by police reports.

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Wayne Madsen doesn't know shit, and almost all of this conspiracy nonsense comes directly

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from him.

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You go to websites that are reporting on the conspiracy and have questions, in quotes,

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about it, almost all of it directly goes right back to Wayne Madsen's reporting, in quotes,

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again, reporting.

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God, that's another thing that is not, you know, when we bring up gun control and all

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that stuff, we talk mainly about the never-ending mass shootings that occur in this, you know,

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dumb country.

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But that is another one of those things is that most gun deaths are suicides and this

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kind of situation.

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Like, one reason that I would love gun control is just because I don't think I should be

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allowed to have a gun.

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And I mean that on my personal level of I can't have a gun because that, to me, just

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the mere fact of owning it is owning, you know, like an off button.

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And one of the things that is shown over, born out in study after study, when talking

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about psychological profiles of people who commit suicide is that if you just get a little

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bit more time, the moment will pass.

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Right.

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I think that, you know, you and I can both speak to that from experience.

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Yeah.

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But that said, I think that's a shitty argument for gun control.

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I mean, it's not...

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No, no, it's not an argument for gun control.

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It's something that I think is involved with gun control.

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I'm not saying that that's why we should have gun control.

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Just because it's bad for you to have a gun or bad for people in a lot of states to have

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a gun per se.

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That doesn't mean that no one should.

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And I don't think you're making that argument, but it would be easy to mishear that.

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Right, right, right.

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I'm not making that argument.

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Right.

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Just, yeah, but it does, you know, it's a good reason for there to be more considerations

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when you're buying a gun.

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You're buying a gun, let's say.

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Yeah.

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More factors should go into it.

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Absolutely.

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So the reality of the situation with Philip Marshall is very sad and very...

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I mean, there's no other way to put it.

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It's just incredibly sad.

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It's a horrible turn of events.

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And the way Alex editorializes on it and just makes stuff up about how he imagines the whole

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thing went down is just next level monstrous.

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And then look at his sweet little kids.

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Can you guys document Cam this or actually punch it up?

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Yeah.

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Sweet, beautiful, wonderful children.

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Loving kind eyes.

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He has loving kind eyes.

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Dead.

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Not enough.

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You didn't want to kill him down the street.

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You wanted to discredit his book, just like a drone.

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Obama says they can kill 200 people at a wedding to get one bad guy, they claim.

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Well, it's the same thing, collateral damage.

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You're going to kill Hodges all day to demonize them.

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How about the little redhead girl and her brother, huh?

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Let's grease them, huh?

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I bet they begged for you, splattered their brains all over the place after you'd already

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killed Daddy.

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I bet they screamed and cried.

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Oh, because the good guys run America.

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Oh, such good guys.

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Let's show him mowing the yard with his son.

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This is what they do.

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They come to your house and they grease you and your family.

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If if that isn't true, what he's doing is so fucking gross and it's not true based on

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the evidence available.

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He's just making up a storyline about a human tragedy.

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That's a very, very serious tragedy.

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Can you imagine what his ex-wife is going through?

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Like, it's still only a couple of weeks after.

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And here, Alex is on air talking about her children like this.

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It's fucking awful.

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That's fucked up.

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And it's because Wayne Madsen is a shithead.

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In this next clip, we get Wayne Madsen starting to just report erroneous information about

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the situation.

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Unfortunately, you know, he was estranged from his wife, but it was very amicable.

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Oh, was it?

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Oh, was it amicable?

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All right.

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What are you basing that on?

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Nothing.

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Here in this next clip, this is just Wayne Madsen making shit up.

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The thing that really is puzzling is he told people that he had this nine millimeter Glock,

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but he said a lot of good it'll do me.

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I don't have any bullets for it.

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It was registered, so they knew he had it.

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But they found the sheriff.

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The only thing the sheriff leaked out was that they found Phil Marshall's wedding ring

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on a box of that nine millimeter ammo at the scene.

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And everybody who knew him told me they said Phil hasn't worn a wedding ring since he was

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separated from his wife.

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So where did the ring come from?

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It came from when he took it off his finger.

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Like, what do you mean?

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What do you mean?

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Where did it come from?

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What the fuck are you even saying?

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Oh, good.

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What a lot of good this gun will do me.

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I don't have any ammo.

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There's fucking video of him buying ammo days before and a receipt that was found.

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Like, this is such bullshit.

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He's saying nothing.

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He presents himself as a fucking investigative journalist.

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The facts contradict everything he's saying.

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He doesn't know about the domestic history that the police were investigating and had

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police reports about that seemed to contradict the amicable end of the marriage.

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The the fact that the police were aware of the security footage from the big five sporting

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goods.

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Wayne Madsen doesn't know that shit.

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Or if he does, he's just lying, just completely lying about this.

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And what he has to fall back on is I talked to a neighbor who seemed like a said he seemed

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like a nice guy, which is what people say about people every single fucking time.

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It happens.

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It's a cliche, right?

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You can't.

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I wouldn't even say that if it was true.

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If my neighbor, if I if I had a very quiet, kind and polite neighbor who I was interviewed

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by fucking local TV after he murdered people, I wouldn't say he was very polite, kind and

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quiet.

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I'd be like, that dude's a fucking murderer.

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I would probably not say anything, but I also think a lot of the times when people say like,

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yeah, it was always a nice guy.

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It's not defending them.

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It's no, it's just an expression of shock, almost like, wow, he seemed like a nice guy.

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Yeah, it's just it's just a boring response now.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Wayne lies more.

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Phil Marsha was not diagnosed in any sort.

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He did have a little issue with depression some some years ago, but the only thing he

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had been treated for with any sort of medication recently was a bad knee.

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That's not true.

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You ought to minimize the mental health issues that he had.

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Like they just years prior, he was grounded as a pilot because of them and they continued

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after.

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Like it's not this is not OK.

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This reporting is not OK.

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Can you just straight up lie like that?

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I guess you can.

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I really what does he do?

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Wayne Madsen?

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Yeah.

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What's his job?

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He's a fucking shithead.

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He does.

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I mean, I mean, yeah, but how does he make any money?

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Well, he's bad at even doing this.

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He's huge in these circles, though.

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No.

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Well, I don't know if I don't think it's true, but he presents himself as like an ex CIA

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guy or something like that.

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He's he's like a political Project Camelot guy.

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You know, man, big, big heroic back story, pretends he's got a lot of scoops.

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Yeah, a lot of sources.

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And then just, you know, is treated like I don't I don't know how he actually makes

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money.

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Yeah, right.

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Yeah, it was weird.

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It seems like he's just bad at everything.

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He's not good on the radio.

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Probably Google ads.

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He's not good at the job that he purports to have investigating anything.

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Oh, pretty bad, especially.

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I mean, like so these have been on true things.

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These have been things demonstrably counter to the reality.

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Yeah, actual facts.

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Now, when he has to give a reason for why he thinks that Philip Marshall couldn't have

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killed his children and himself, this is what he's got.

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We've only got five minutes left.

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You've got the floor.

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What other tidbits do you think are important for people to know?

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Well, the biggest one of all, Sean Payton was the coach of the New Orleans Saints.

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When he was let go or suspended for rules violations, Phil Marshall was such a fan of

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the Saints and Sean Payton.

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He personally hired planes to fly over Saints games and multiple stadium venues trailing

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a banner that said Free Sean Payton.

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Now, the fact is that he would have committed suicide and killed his two kids two days before

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the Super Bowl was held at the Saints home field at the Superdome in New Orleans.

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Really made people say there's no way he did it.

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And that's just that's just the you know, I'm not a big football fan, but people who

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were football are absolutely there's no way he could have done this.

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Yes, that is real bad thinking.

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Wow.

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That's like that's nuts.

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Wow.

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He loved the Saints.

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The Super Bowl was being held in New Orleans and so he couldn't have possibly committed

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suicide prior to that because he would he put it off until after the Super Bowl.

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I don't think that this is a good understanding of how people in like crisis act like when

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you're in a mental health crisis, other things do not they're not as important things that

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you used to find great enjoyment in.

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You no longer really feel that much for, you know, hobbies fall away, pastimes, groups

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that you're involved in, you just drop out of like it's something that is very common

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to people who are in major depressive episodes.

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Yeah.

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So the idea that like, oh, he would he would have he loved the Super Bowl like that is

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not good thinking.

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This is bad investigative journalism.

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You think bad.

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This is only OK to bring up as like, you know, he loved the Super Bowl.

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It's it's a shame that well, I mean, I guess he murdered his kid.

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So it's I don't really feel bad that he missed the Super Bowl.

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But, you know, that's the only there's a human interest angle to it of but it's so

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superfluous.

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I feel like Johnny Cochran wrote that alibi for him, for Christ's sake.

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That's insane.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He would never want to miss the Super Bowl.

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So if if God damn it, that's your that's your like, ha ha.

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The government fucked this one up.

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They didn't think about the Super Bowl.

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If only they had done it three days later, then then it would be then I would have then

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obviously I would agree that this happened for sure.

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But it was two days before the Super Bowl.

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That's why I went looking.

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But by the way, like the 2013 Super Bowl, like it was in New Orleans, but it was the

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Ravens and 49ers.

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Like if he's a big Saints fan, just because it's at the stage.

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I don't know.

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We're not doing this.

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We're not even engaging with that.

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How dare you engage with that argument?

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I'm not engaging.

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I'm pointing out how it's even worse than I know.

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I don't even want to think about I don't even want to allow it to be something that I did

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think about.

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All right, fine.

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So here is Alex, like what Wayne's doing, I think is inhuman.

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Like it's really disgraceful to the memory of these people.

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Yeah, he's a nightmare.

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The children, their loss, the family, like what he's doing under the guise of like, I

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just want the truth to get out.

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Yeah, what he's doing is such a massive disrespect to them.

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It can't be overstated how, I don't know how you can sleep when you act like this.

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It is, this is one of the examples that I will use from now on when I say that ghosts

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aren't real, because if ghosts were real, Wade Manson is getting haunted as fuck.

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Maybe he is, and that's how he makes his money.

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Ghost tours of his own apartment, of his own house, of his head, perhaps.

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So what he's doing is terrible.

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But what Alex is doing is pretty bad, too.

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And here is him just reporting on Wayne's stuff as if it's fact.

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Yeah, it's a great way to demonize 9-11 truthers and quote conspiracy theorists.

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Absolutely.

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Well, another victory for the New World Order.

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I bet they really enjoyed killing those little kids.

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Just like the drones do every day, it's all part of the freedom.

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But the government loves us.

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I forgot the two billion bullets are to take care of us.

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Stay there, Wayne Madsen.

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It's two billion bullets now, apparently, not 1.6.

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I mean, all this is, it's the same thing, or it's the same impulse as the Jack Swagger stuff.

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Absolutely.

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It's only important because I'm worried that it makes my team look bad or whatever.

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It's like this guy, because there is one trait that's similar, we're both conspiracy theorists,

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I must deny that he is capable of doing something horrendous.

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And that's just not okay.

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It's not okay to deny the ability of someone to do terrible things because you think it

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looks bad to you.

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Right.

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That is pathetic.

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It is, I mean, it's just, you know, it would get redundant if I kept saying this, but it's

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just bad thinking.

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Yeah, it is bad thinking.

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It's a bad thing to defend anybody just because they're on your team regardless of their actions.

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It's good that it doesn't work.

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It's good that it's an ineffective strategy.

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You know, it's great that we have Trump and Kavanaugh and all of those guys.

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Oh, never mind.

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It does work.

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It works perfectly.

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It works so well.

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It can work, and that sucks.

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So in this next clip, we're done with Wayne Madsen.

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Like, I just really think that that was a shocking display of, like, just people being

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terrible.

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Yeah, I want to be done with Wayne Madsen forever.

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Yeah, I was shocked.

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Like, when Alex said Wayne Madsen was coming up, like, he announces at the beginning of

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the show sometimes who his guests are.

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Yeah.

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It's like, Wayne Madsen's coming up like, this is going to be boring.

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And then it was like, holy shit, you guys are terrible.

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Yeah.

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I started to look into the case and, like, you know, found these articles with the police

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reports in them, and it's like, just direct contradictions from Wayne Madsen.

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He's like, well, I went to the town.

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I was there.

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Like, you didn't, you're leaving a lot out of this story because it's not the story you

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want to tell.

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You want to tell the story that defends you, and you're not a factor.

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This isn't about you.

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Okay, here's what we do.

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I got a pitch for you, all right?

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We do a regular ghost hunting show, okay?

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But instead of doing the, like, let's go to Alcatraz or feeling out ghosts there, we just

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go to places where shitheads like Wayne Madsen and Alex Jones and all of those people have

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fucked over people's lives and exploited their deaths, and we just tell those stories, and

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we're like, brrr, I can't feel any ghosts around here right now.

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I guess ghosts aren't real.

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Well, the problem with that is that physically it's a lot of different places.

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Like, Wayne is in Washington, D.C., and Alex is in Austin as they're having this conversation.

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Yeah, we've got to get that Discovery Channel money.

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Okay, I'm in.

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All right, I'll pitch it.

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But then we'd have to go to, like, California to the crime scene where Wayne Madsen crafted

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his bullshit.

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Right.

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Then we'd have to go to Washington, D.C., where Wayne had his part of the interview,

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then Austin for Alex's part.

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This is going to work.

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This is an expensive show.

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We've got a lot of overhead.

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It's going to come into money.

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I don't know if we're going to be able to do this.

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All right.

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So we're done with them.

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Fuck them.

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They suck.

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This next clip is just kind of funny because Alex says something that's pretty funny.

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Look at what the police will go along with.

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Look at what parents will go along with and teachers.

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Look at our culture bombarded with psychological warfare poison to turn us into a cross between

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a game show, a gulag and a casino.

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It's Max Keiser who coined the term the casino gulag.

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But I would add to it, it's like a game show casino gulag.

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So funny that...

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Is he just describing the running man?

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Well, probably there's some piece of it.

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Yeah, the next day on the 20th, he's completely obsessed with Death Race 2000.

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Okay, well, there we go.

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Of course, it's a movie.

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It's just really funny to me that he's talking about a casino game show gulag when in 2019,

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he is completely the most public disgraceful bootlicker for a guy who ran casinos, came

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to prominence as a game show host and is running gulags.

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Yes.

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Yes, it is kind of on the nose.

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Yeah.

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You go back to 2013, he's like, these police state casino game show gulags.

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Now, let me really grease the wheels so this casino running game show host guy can run

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gulags that I justify him running.

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I don't like that coincidence.

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That coincidence bugs me.

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That enrages me, in fact.

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Dan, do you remember how many times I've been angry at us being dragged along by fate as

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though everything made perfect, weird rhyming sense?

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That's not okay that he accidentally got that right.

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Bullshit.

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Well, it goes to show.

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I'm angry.

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So for a large part of the end of this episode, Alex is...

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He's really mad at L.A. Mayor Villaraigosa.

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Sure, why not?

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We're not busy.

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It turns out that someone has been putting up stickers and posters of Alex's shit illegally

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in Los Angeles.

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Oh.

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And so Alex has gotten a bill for the removal of those.

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And he's not happy about it.

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He goes on to say, like, what if someone had spray painted like some McDonald's thing

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somewhere, would McDonald's get the bill?

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Maybe.

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I mean, it depends on if the property owner complained.

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I assume the reason that you're getting a bill for this is that it was on maybe city

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property or somewhere that people complained about, because I'm sure that the city wouldn't

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even remove it unless people complained.

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Like, they just let it be.

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Who gives a shit?

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Right, right, right.

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So yeah, I mean, like Obama, if someone put a pro-Obama spray paint up somewhere or some

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irremovable or difficult to remove poster or something.

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Yeah, I bet that someone would get a bill for that if people complained and the city

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had to take care of it.

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But anyway, Alex is furious about this.

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And so he complains about it a bit in this next clip.

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City of Los Angeles, the mayor, the mayor.

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I don't need cards.

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I don't need proof.

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I don't need facts.

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I am the mighty Antonio Villarosa, head of that corner, the population.

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We don't need no stinging courts for them.

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Just send them bills and threaten them.

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I am king.

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All right, let me go to Max Keiser.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I need your help.

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It's invoice number 20120004913.

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Tell them you need help on that invoice number.

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Uh, ladies and gentlemen, I'll probably try to sue me over that.

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Fine.

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You want to fight?

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You got one.

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You hear this all the time.

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He's trying to enlist his audience to harass, like, clerks in L.A. about a fucking invoice

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for probably like a thousand dollars or something.

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It's so ridiculous.

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And you know what?

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I'll say that maybe it is a waste of time to try and send him a bill about that.

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Maybe, maybe that's a little bit, uh, who cares?

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Absorb that in the tax money.

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I'm fine with that.

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Did he specifically direct people to put stuff up?

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Oh, man.

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No, because you remember, he has to say all the time, put them up in legal and lawful

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places.

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Yeah, that's true.

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This is why.

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Yeah.

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Because he gets bills for Infowars sticker removal.

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That's so funny.

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Yeah.

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I like the imagine, I like the imaginary rule system that these guys work under.

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Like, Alex is like the mayor, mayor who can do whatever he wants in a sarcastic way.

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Yeah.

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But if it was the sheriff, he'd be fine with it.

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Not if it came down against him.

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No, of course not.

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Of course not.

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Right, right.

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But if he heard this story and it was just sheriff who sent a bill somewhere else, he'd

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be like, exactly right.

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Sheriffs can do all of that.

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Like if it was a sheriff coming down on some liberal person, he'd be like, well, that is

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just a good noble law.

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Exactly.

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That's that's why we have the sheriff as the highest law in the land.

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Yeah.

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Alex fucking imagines that Villarregosa is coming around and being like, haha, I'm going

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to bill Alex.

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Yeah.

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As if it's not some sort of department thing that just has the city stamp on it with a

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signature.

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Ridiculous.

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So Alex is now feuding with Antonio Villarregosa.

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Of course, of course.

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So that's great.

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All right.

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I look forward to that being continued, yelling about that invoice for a week.

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So Max Keiser comes on, as Alex said, insinuated.

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How's Max coin doing?

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I think it's still not good.

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OK.

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But Max Keiser wants to talk about how, you know, how Alex has now escalated its two billion

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bullets.

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Of course.

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And Max's point is that like bullets are going to become a commodity where there aren't going

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to be many of them.

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They're going to be very expensive.

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I almost think that he's advocating people buy them as an investment.

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I'm not sure.

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But I only pulled this clip out because you listen carefully.

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Alex mumbles something very weird.

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You know, a gun without a bullet doesn't do much good.

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It's like a tractor without gas.

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Right.

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So the bullets are always the weak spot in this whole theory.

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And they are holding all of the bullets.

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The bullets will not be unavailable at Kmart or Walmart or anyone else.

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He's what just happened there?

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He's saying that bullets are cute.

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And then he said, well, cute little bullets, sweet little bullets.

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That's so weird.

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Does he say that?

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He has to say that to himself privately.

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I think that that must have been a thing that he thought that accidentally came out of his

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mouth.

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I feel that way.

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Like he had a he had a thought fart.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think so.

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Oh, man.

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But I do think, yeah, I mean, I think there's a sincerity that he's expressing, and that

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is that he thinks bullets are cute.

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Yeah, that's gross.

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It's weird.

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That's weird.

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So in this next clip, you know, kind of get a sense of, you know, what Max Keiser is here

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to do.

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And that is, of course, to sell gold.

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Then you'll see panic buying in gold around the world.

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The central banks will triple and quadruple their their panic.

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But they probably already reached that.

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They've just been keeping it quiet per globalist request.

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I agree.

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So it's, you know, I think, as you know, that we could happen any day.

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A massive kind of trap doors open beneath the bond market and gold prices skyrocketing.

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What's going to happen to places like Southern California when we really go into the Depression?

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They don't really have a great analysis of what's going to happen to Southern California.

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But that is the like that's the place for economic advisors on Alex's show, almost without

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exception.

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Everyone that comes on has to either directly say or imply that any day now gold is going

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to go through the roof because Alex works for a gold company.

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Yeah, this is ridiculous.

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That's it.

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Yeah, because none of that happened.

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It's sad.

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So they go to break and they're listening to the commercials during the break, apparently,

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because Alex comes back from break.

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Laughing.

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You know, this hour is brought to you by the Squatty Putty.

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God, it's actually not one of my sponsors, but Max Keiser's in there now.

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You're not gonna get any serious news out of him because you're in the Squatty Putty

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ad.

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Sort of ridiculous.

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Anyways, I find myself laughing more and more because stuff's getting so crazy.

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And now I realize I've been right about almost everything and it's going to get as bad as

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I think it's going to get.

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And the general public still has no idea.

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He's been wrong about everything, pretty much everything.

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And he's also wrong that the Squatty Putty is hilarious.

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He's crazy.

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This is so like, oh, the youths with their video games.

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And I have got to forward you this commercial that I saw.

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It's a potty, but it's a Squatty Putty.

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I don't know how hilarious it is that like people having, you know, a little slight elevation

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in their legs is helpful to the system.

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I don't know how hilarious that is.

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Hilarious.

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But it turns out I'm probably wrong.

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It's for when Al Gore probably has a Squatty Putty.

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That's enough.

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Let's go to Joe in Florida.

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Joe, you're on the air with the inventor of the Squatty Putty.

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Really?

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Go ahead.

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Still going?

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Yeah.

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Are you there?

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Yes, sir, we're on Squatty Putties, both of us.

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I'm going to stop now.

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Yes, you're on the air with Max Keiser.

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Three Squatty Putty jokes in 17 seconds.

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That's bananas.

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That's impressive.

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It is not funny.

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No, hilarious.

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It's not.

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It's not funny.

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It's hilarious.

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It's objectively not funny.

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It's pretty funny.

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Oh boy.

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So that's it for the 19th.

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I mean, we see him getting into the pro wrestling narrative, which I'm always excited for.

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And then this super disgraceful recording about Phillip Marshall, and then Max Keiser

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and him joking about poop.

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So that's a fucking ride right there.

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That's nuts.

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That is nuts.

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And then the 20th is a show that I would describe as mostly full of...

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Poop.

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No.

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From Squatty Putty.

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I mean, it's full of shit.

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No, what it is, is there are episodes that I run into from time to time that are just

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this is Alex phoning it in, but it's fucking impressive.

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Because his skills, the skills that he has, the ability to say nothing passionately for

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long stretches.

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Yeah, that's tough to do.

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But there are episodes where you'll just be like, it's been half an hour.

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You haven't said anything, but you're yelling.

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That's crazy.

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Right.

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Or it's just the same stock little bits where the globalists are trying to do the same

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globalists are trying to deindustrialize, the want to crash the dollar.

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It was all the greatest hits just strung in a row.

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Like, there are eugenicists with nothing.

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Just the general things, the general shit thrown all over the place.

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And that's what most of the 20th is like.

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It was a hard listen because it was so, so nothing.

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Let me ask you a quick question.

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Okay.

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Do you think that he thinks about his show after he's done?

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No, not a chance.

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Because I was just thinking about it.

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I was like, how could you do that?

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Unless when you went home, you didn't even ask yourself, like, was today a good show?

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He doesn't even consider it.

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No, not a chance.

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There's no good or bad show.

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He just, that's crazy.

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Whatever is, is.

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And I admire that a little bit because I dread about our episodes and I feel a great amount

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of anxiety before, after, just not usually during, but before and after quite a bit.

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Weird.

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Wow.

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I think it's the difference.

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He's a psychopath.

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I think it's the difference between caring and not.

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Yeah.

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I think he understands that he's talking shit and who cares?

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As long as, as long as you're keeping the money coming in, that's really what this is

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about.

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He's fighting an imaginary enemy, so he doesn't have to worry about them killing him.

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He doesn't have to worry about actually winning the battle with the globalists because it's

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all bullshit.

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Yeah.

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So it's like Madsen's reporting.

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He's not like, Oh man, I did a really bad job on this.

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You're only like, I just don't care.

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You're only hurting people who can't hurt you back.

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Exactly.

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Because even if Alex's audience turn on him, generally he's never going to be in a place

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where they can get to him.

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Right.

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He like lives in a fucking secure.

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He lives in a redown.

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Yeah.

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So I think that there's something to that.

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Like you just sort of lose your sense of caring when there aren't any stakes.

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Yeah.

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When all of your stakes are imagined.

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Uh, it's, uh, yep.

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So, uh, on the 20th, there is one thing that's interesting.

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I wanted to play this, but instead I'll just kind of describe it for you, uh, because it's

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too long.

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Yeah.

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A caller calls in and he's like, Hey, we need to be upfront about this.

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And Alex, I'll say this.

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I'm saying this, not you.

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So you don't have to get criticized for this.

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It's the Jews.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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And so, so, so then they're just supposed to then have a normal conversation.

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You know what?

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They did.

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Of course.

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Of course they did.

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Of course they did.

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Alex was like, well, thank you for letting me off the hook for this one.

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Yeah.

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So of course it is the Jews.

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Well, it was really interesting because Alex was pushing back a little bit, but not much.

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It was a, it was a very strange thing where, um, when you get a caller like that, you know

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what they're saying and you don't need to then be like, yes, there are Jewish mafias

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and Italian mafias.

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And like, you don't need to do that.

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You should probably be like, I gotta go.

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Yeah.

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I gotta go.

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Sorry, man.

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Yeah.

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Um, but he doesn't, I thought it was really interesting because he does keep him on the

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line for like 15 minutes.

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They have a long call.

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Well, he doesn't get to talk antisemitism with people all the time.

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Not on the show, you know, he's gotta be oblique about it.

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This time it gets to like really dig in there.

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But he's not, he's resisting it.

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It's weird.

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Like it's, it's a resistance, but it doesn't seem aggressively resistant.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's wishy washy to an extent.

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I wanted to pull some clips out of it, but I felt it would be a disservice to not like

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playing the whole thing.

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Yeah.

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Uh, it was tough, but we do have a few clips from the 20th of other things.

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Um, and one of them is, uh, Alex, uh, this is just a, I think a precursor of the world

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of cruelty he would go on to become the mouthpiece of, uh, because I think that you can see little

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shades of a delight, uh, in the downfall of others in this next clip.

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And I get a little bit of an evil, sick, twisted, uh, enjoyment, which is fleshly and worldly

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and bad, but I just can't help it.

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Uh, that all the people think they're on the winning team and serving corruption, you're

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really gonna get it.

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Oh man.

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You think you're on the winning team.

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You think you opened the door for this to come in and you think it's gonna take care

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of you.

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You, you really think you're safe under those wings.

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You've got another thing coming.

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Got another thing coming.

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Yeah, I mean, and we already know that he said that he does that fake laugh when he's

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really angry.

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Yeah.

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So that leads me to believe that this is coming from a place of anger, which makes the comments

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even weirder.

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Um, I, I just don't, I don't, I don't appreciate or enjoy people, uh, expressing a delight

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in others downfall, even if you disagree with the other, uh, especially because what he's

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kind of discussing is deaths.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's not just like, you know, you, you don't get your way or something like that.

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It's, uh, it's, it's death.

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Yeah.

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And that does seem to be a huge component of their non zero sum game or their zero sum

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game kind of outlook towards politics.

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Like if, if my progressive causes are championed and put into place, I am not going to laugh

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because it makes my enemies fall downfall.

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Like it, honestly, the stuff that I want to put in place makes even my enemy's lives better.

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You're right.

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You know, like I, I don't want universal healthcare for the winners, you know, like, but for some

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reason their world doesn't exist like that.

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They just can't process that.

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But this is what you see on like election night when you had Alex and Roger and the

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entire before staff laughing at people at democratic watch parties crying, it's that

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it's that ha ha ha that it, that fake laugh carries over to three years after this, that

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night.

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Yup.

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Um, and I mean, if anybody needs, uh, it to be made clear what they were laughing at is

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people crying about exactly what's happening now.

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The children being in camps, people dying, the bills in Alabama and, uh, those sorts

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of restrictions on abortion.

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Those are the things that, uh, people Alex was mocking people for being afraid we're

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going to come.

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Yup.

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So it put that into sharp focus.

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Uh, his cruelty has always been there and his very bizarre beliefs about spiritual shit

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have also always been there because in this next clip, he expresses a very strange, uh,

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belief about why society exists.

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That's the currency, hard human sacrifice.

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That's how the world really works.

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The modern world and the world government is shut up to carry out the orderly extermination

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as a sacrifice to Gaia.

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Their guy is Lucifer.

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Okay.

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So civilization exists, um, in order to make it easier to sacrifice human beings to Gaia,

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the earth, stop right there, who is actually, stop right there.

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I would like you to prove to explain what, so you need to kill a lot of people in order

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to make Gaia slash Lucifer happy.

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Why do we need to make Gaia slash Lucifer happy?

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I thought it was for, I thought it was for like farming and shit.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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This is for guys in order to become gods or something.

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Huh?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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He does.

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That's a complicated cosmology.

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Well, it's really great that the break happened right there, so he doesn't have to explain

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any of that.

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Nor come back from commercial and, uh, so unlike Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter, the racist,

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uh, WWE characters who hate, uh, the Mexican champion, uh, Alberto Del Rio.

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Oh, love it.

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Put a little steak on there.

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So unlike those dudes, Alex has only legitimate complaints about Mexicans, but he doesn't

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He'd called them all.

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Okay.

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I'm being facetious.

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He does not.

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He complains a lot about La Raza on this episode on February 20th.

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You know, there's the basic misunderstanding of what La Raza means and what the, you know,

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the, uh, that, uh, he, he believes it to be a specifically only, uh, Hispanic nationalist

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group that seeks to destroy all non-Hispanics, uh, which is ludicrous.

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Um, but in complaining about them, he says something that, again, is very bizarre for

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the present day.

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Are trying to force Hispanics into this Raza, and when you're in the Raza, you're anti-gun,

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you're pro-abortion, you're pro-globalism, and you're pro-socialism, and it's, it's going

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to be game over, folks.

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Game over because they've attached nationalism and race consciousness, which is very powerful.

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See, they wanted to get rid of that in the U.S. so there'd be no sovereignty.

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Even nationalism's a no-no.

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Alex, in 2013, is warning about connecting race identity to nationalism, which is kind

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of his entire show in 2019.

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I just don't like how complete the dismantling has to be.

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Yeah, it's, it's wild.

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Yeah, but it's only because he doesn't believe this stuff.

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Right, right, right, right, of course.

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The dismantling isn't really dismantling, it's a facade falling away.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I just mean how thorough it is, you know?

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Like, we're getting a point by point, I think every episode we go to in the past now, it's

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like there's at least one thing where you can draw a direct parallel to today, and he's

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doing the opposite.

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Yeah, he's like, La Raza-

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And it's a new thing every time.

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It's like, La Raza's coming out here, and it's super dangerous because what they've

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done is attach nationalism to race consciousness.

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Now, at the same time, in the, you know, couple years later, I'm gonna be hanging out with

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a lot of people who are pretty super into race consciousness and nationalism, but it's

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fine because they're white race conscious.

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Right.

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It becomes super clear that all of this doesn't matter.

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All of this doesn't exist.

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It doesn't mean anything.

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It only has to do with feeling like white people will be targeted by X, Y, or Z.

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Yep.

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That's it.

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That's the only thing that underlies any of the positions that he has.

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Everything else is built on top of that.

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And that fear-

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The primary building block is white fear.

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Right.

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And that fear arises almost certainly because they assume that, well, because that's what

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they want to do, basically.

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That's because what they do want when they get power is to take away the rights of these

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people, to do all that stuff.

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So they assume if they were to gain power, they would want to do the same to me.

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It does not occur to them that you could not do it.

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Maybe not take away all rights.

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I think that might be too much to put on Alex from everything I can tell, but certainly

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make secondary.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, I don't know if looking at Alex in 2013, I would be at all comfortable assuming...

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I don't even know now, really, if I would say that if he had everything go his way,

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he would completely make all non-whites not have civil rights or anything, like any protections

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or anything like that.

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But he would like to-

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He would pave the way for somebody who would.

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Probably.

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Whether consciously or not, probably.

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But what he would be more interested in is upholding a system wherein people who were

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unlike him were considered secondary or different or weird, as opposed to him and all the traits

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that are like him, which are normal, and anybody like him is completely incapable of committing

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any kind of bad act.

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Right, right, right.

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That's what he wants to uphold, which is functionally very similar, quite frankly.

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I mean, yeah, if it isn't immediately a fucking Holocaust, it leads to one.

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That very thought process, everything that-

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It certainly helps to go down that road.

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Yeah, I mean, it's like, yes, sure, you didn't want to outright cause a Holocaust, but all

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these little things start popping up and then all of a sudden you have to add this restriction

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and that makes this person angry and then you have to put down this thing over here

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and then finally somebody's like, well, shit, let's just get rid of them.

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It's how it goes.

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It's a road.

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And I don't care if he doesn't want that.

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He's doing it.

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So in the last clip we have here, I just think it's a crazy glimpse into Alex's psyche.

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We know that he relates everything from movies to reality.

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He can't really tell the difference between the two.

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Obviously, one of the big movies that he doesn't talk about as much, but obviously, without

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a doubt, is one of the most foundational movies for him is Network.

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I have long believed that he believes himself to be Howard Beale.

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He believes himself to be this guy who's mad as hell and won't take it anymore.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure.

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Up against a system that works against him and wake up!

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Sure, except he's the, yeah.

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So it did not surprise me that in this February 20th show, he plays a clip from Network and

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starts talking back to it as if he were Howard Beale.

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This is bizarre.

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And galactic structure of things today!

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No they're not, you fraudster.

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And you have meddled the primal forces of nature!

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Shut up, Kinlay.

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And you will atone!

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Shut up, Bloomberg.

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No, I will not take your fraud anymore.

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I'm getting through to your studio.

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No, you're not getting through to me.

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That's crazy.

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That's crazy.

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You know what, one of the things that makes it even more crazy to me is that it's not

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very performative.

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No.

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Like he's just talking back to it as if you would talk back to somebody, not like his

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normal screaming, sort of like, ah, over the top character.

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Like at the end there it's like, am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?

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No, you're not getting through to me.

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Like he's responding as if it's actually a conversation, which is outside of his performance

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style generally.

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Here's what it felt like to me.

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Private.

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It felt like that's something that he does in private, and we weren't supposed to be

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seeing that.

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It does feel a little bit like that, much like saying that bullets are cute.

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Yeah, I feel like I was like standing by a closet door, like looking out at it as he's

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saying that to a movie, like that was gross.

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Yeah, it feels weird.

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I don't like feeling that.

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But I think it is a little bit of a glimpse into his psyche, like he believes he is Beale.

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And also he talks to a lot of movies.

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I would assume so.

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It feels like he can do a better job than the protagonist a lot of times.

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Screw you, Hoosiers.

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I'm going to take the ball.

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Yeah, I can run fast.

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Yeah, so I mean, show me the money.

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What you have here is an interesting couple of days, a little bit, like I think that you're

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seeing a weird development of how attention starved Alex is in 2013, like willing to engage

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in not very optimized publicity stunts.

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The going on Piers Morgan show, good.

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Well done.

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You did exactly what you needed to do.

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Showing up at the gun shop in Texas, you did a good job after the fact.

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But how you confronted Piers was very not optimized.

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Not good.

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Asking to go back on his show repeatedly and looking kind of sad and weak does not work

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very well for you.

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But you wanted to go back on his show because the first one was so good.

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Should have been antagonistic.

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I understand why Alex would behave like that, but that's not very good.

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The way he's trying to turn any media coverage of him into a scandal, not good.

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The WWE stuff, he's not doing this right.

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There is a way he could have gotten so much press out of this.

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And all it involves is a little bit of humility and a little bit of a sense of humor.

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If he had done that, he could have played this so well because Glenn Beck's not showing

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up.

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He wouldn't show up for that.

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But Alex is desperate enough to show up.

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Yeah, if he'd just play ball, he could have done it.

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But instead, he's doing the unoptimized version of this feud with the WWE.

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He comes out looking fucking silly because they want Beck.

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He's responding to them talking about Glenn Beck and casually mentioning him in a joke

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that the commentators make.

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Yeah, this is a sad person who really wants...

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He got a taste of that attention from Glenn Beck and he wants it back.

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He wants to feel, or I'm sorry, from Piers Morgan, and he wants to feel that again.

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He wants another hit and he's not getting it.

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Alex doesn't even know that he's the Squatty Potty in this story.

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He is.

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He is quite a Squatty Potty.

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And then, I don't know.

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It's interesting to me because this path that we're on is, we're supposed to be figuring

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out his rhetoric after Sandy Hook.

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And there's these stretches of time where he doesn't even bring up Sandy Hook.

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It's not something that he's primarily interested in.

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And we saw it flare up when we saw how popular these conspiracy theories about Sandy Hook

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were.

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We saw his attention peak when he found that YouTube video that had 10 million views and

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he had the professor on to be interviewed about his crazy nonsense.

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I think that these trends that we see with his desperate attention things with Piers

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Morgan, with any criticisms of him really responding aggressively to them, the WWE stuff,

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I think that that trend is going to lead him down his dark path.

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But that's just my sense that I have right now.

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I think it's related, but on a secondary level.

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Though we're not seeing development of Sandy Hook narratives, I think we're seeing the

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essential pieces of the stage that needs to be set for him to go down really dumb, bad

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paths.

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And we're already seeing dumb, bad paths.

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Like the way he covered this Philip Marshall story is unacceptable and undefensible.

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Like it's a short jump from that to saying they were actors at Sandy Hook.

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He doesn't need to be less dignified in order to get to that point.

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But I think he will need to be motivated in some way by his desperation.

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And I think we're seeing the kernels of it.

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So.

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This is fucking wild, man.

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Yeah, it's pretty bizarre.

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It is a long string of things that should have some consequence to them.

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But apparently just don't.

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I think misery is a consequence, so there's that.

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Yeah, I suppose.

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It's cold comfort.

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Yeah, it's at least there's some.

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Well, it's kind of like it's kind of like obedience training, you know, like the consequence

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has to come very close to the event.

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Otherwise you don't learn the lesson.

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Yeah, so it's one of those things where, like, yeah, the consequence for all this is that

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he's miserable and he's probably going to go broke and everything.

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But man, maybe if he'd just gotten hit with that right away, we wouldn't be where we are,

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you know?

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Yeah, I mean, I think about that a lot, like one of the things that I reflect on a ton

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because, you know, like a lot of this work comes down to listening to his show, researching,

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and then also reflecting on what is going on here.

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And it's like one thought that I can't ever get away from is how many times we had a chance

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to not be in the situation we're in.

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Yeah.

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Like how many times people had an opportunity to like whether it's the people who have sued

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him and then let him go with like giving an apology or the people who who knew things

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that could have warned everyone.

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People who had inside information and maybe they signed a non-disclosure agreement, but

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they could have been brave and stood up and been like, no, this is dangerous.

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I know something that is helpful or could be helpful to people.

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Yeah.

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There are so many times in the past that, like, we could have not gone down this path.

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Alex could have been, you know, brought low earlier.

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Yeah.

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And it didn't it didn't happen.

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And yeah, he also it is interesting, like the idea that that proximity, the punishment

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and the act, the proximity thing, because it is it is so right.

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Yeah.

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The idea that no matter what happens now, it'll never be able to like Alex won't experience

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that as the consequence of actions years in the past.

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Exactly.

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And he just can't process it.

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And yeah, and maybe that's just a human thing.

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And that's not his fault that he can't process it.

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But it is unfortunate because.

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His inability to process it will probably just turn into his next narrative.

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Yeah, so that's probably I'll just feed his victimhood and his feelings of I've been wronged

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by everybody even more.

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And yeah, so we have that to look forward to.

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Hey, anyway, we'll be back on Monday with a new episode.

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Hope everyone had a great fourth.

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And the weekend goes wonderfully for you.

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You guys have some cookouts where you can have, I don't know if you want a broad, have

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a broad.

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Don't let me be the guy.

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Hey, nobody's going to stop eating abroad just because Dan says so, right?

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Don't let me be some kind of square.

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Not letting you eat meat off the bone.

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Enjoy your lives out there.

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It's good stuff.

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But we'll be back on Monday.

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And until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yeah, that's it.

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We are also on Twitter.

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You bet we are.

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Knowledge underscore fight and go to bed Jordan.

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We're on Facebook.

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Yeah.

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You can go to iTunes.

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And you can download the episode.

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Dan can do that.

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Here's a new one, but you could share the episode to like your favorite social media

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platform, your own.

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Pick all the platforms that Alex is banned from and go ahead and share our episode on

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them.

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That'd be great.

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All right.

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Shouldn't take too long.

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Could probably not.

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Yeah.

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So as we get to the end of this, I would say that Jack Swagger, WWE, former WWE.

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Now a boxer of some sort or mixed martial arts.

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I think he's in now.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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He wasn't great on the mic.

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No.

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And he's also kind of a shithead.

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He recently tweeted the where we go one, we go all.

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So he might be.

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Oh, no.

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So he's.

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Oh, God damn it.

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Oh, Jesus.

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Jack Swagger might be a bit of a dumb dumb, but I don't think he's killed anybody.

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But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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