Transcript/811: February 24, 2004

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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

Red Alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red Alert knowledge five days. Damn, Jordan I'm sweating.

Alex Jones (00:00:17.000)

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Alex Jones (00:00:30.000)

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Dan (00:00:59.000)

Hey, everybody, welcome back. Now what we're gonna do is like sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed. We are down Georgia, Georgia. And my question

Jordan (00:01:09.000)

for you. Is your best spot today, buddy. You go first. Oh, my bright spot, Dan. No, no, no, no, no, no, sir. My bright spot today is Summer Games Done Quick. Oh, fun. Now it is fun. And I'll tell you something you have enjoyed every year you do and I will tell you something different about this. SGD que All right, we got to walk. Oh, we got to walk running. What sat Drash Safdar. She was running at like 630 Eastern on Tuesday morning. Whoa. And yeah, everybody go there. Well. I want to say Maniac Mansion or something. It's like a retro. He's He's a retro game player. He's helped me a lot. He helped me a lot when I was speed running. I

Dan (00:01:56.000)

remember the name from the chat when I've come and sat in with you while you were

Jordan (00:02:01.000)

playing. Yeah, so yeah, he's run I feel like it'd be really cool.

Dan (00:02:05.000)

Isn't Maniac Mansion like one of those old I put it in my brain in the same category as like missed. I kind of like old computer game.

Jordan (00:02:15.000)

I think it is kind of like that. But like, retro or that like almost point and click.

Dan (00:02:21.000)

Yeah. See, that's what I was trying to come up with. Like, yeah, the like the full motion video kind of old time.

Jordan (00:02:29.000)

I don't know. It might be too deep, but it's something like that. I mean, it's all me. Yeah,

Dan (00:02:34.000)

but seems difficult to do fast. But exactly wish I addressed the best sat

Jordan (00:02:38.000)

Drash sat dress you can do it. Um,

Dan (00:02:41.000)

let me ask you this about the Summer Games Done Quick. Sure.

Jordan (00:02:44.000)

Is it Doctors Without Borders? Is the charity this year? Fantastic. Yes.

Dan (00:02:48.000)

Is it a situation though? That is like the Olympics where you have the summer and winter and different games are played at each? Is there like a restriction of No, no, no, that's a summer game.

Jordan (00:03:00.000)

I don't think so. Okay, but they do play different games. I don't know if they specifically are like nah, not. We're not we're not we don't bobsled Superman. For the winter go. I think that would be that would be more fun as if they could if you were going to play a sports game. You could only play the summer or winter. Yeah, that should be a rule.

Dan (00:03:20.000)

Yeah. You can't do like, ah, Kelly Slater's pro surfer in the winter.

Jordan (00:03:25.000)

No, I can't do that. No, but during the summer games you can do Tony Hawk. You can't do it during the winter, right? Yeah, that makes

Dan (00:03:31.000)

perfect during the Winter Games. You can play the damn it. What was that one? The snowboarding. I know

Jordan (00:03:37.000)

I same thing you are. We did it. We did the halfpipe. You scored a bunch of points.

Dan (00:03:43.000)

I remembered Kelly Slater. The surfing real proud of you. Thank you.

Jordan (00:03:47.000)

Who's the who's the red hair snowboarder?

Dan (00:03:50.000)

Flying tomato? Yeah. Shawn white. Shaun White? Yes.

Jordan (00:03:55.000)

Yep. That was from the time when we were kids

Dan (00:03:58.000)

always distracting for me because there was also a comedian named Shaun White. Yes, you're in Chicago. And I got him in the flying tomato confused. They're very similar. Similar at all.

Jordan (00:04:10.000)

several inches of difference in height. Yeah. So what's your bright spot but

Dan (00:04:14.000)

my breaks while Jordan is retaining your humanity through difficult times?

Jordan (00:04:21.000)

All right. All right. So you have an existential brightspot

Dan (00:04:25.000)

Well, Alex is still a student. There was not a Saturday episode. Oh, one was hosting on Friday and I'm getting to the point where I'm sincerely worried that something is wrong. He's been gone forever.

Jordan (00:04:38.000)

There is nothing better than you finally caving to the pressure of you know what, maybe we'll just buckle down and we'll focus on the present day, only to have the present day kick you in the teeth.

Dan (00:04:49.000)

And also it may I'm worried about the guy. Something might have gone wrong if maybe he was camping and ran into a bobcat. Please, maybe you ran into a bear added Barton Springs,

Jordan (00:05:01.000)

I will forgive a lot. Not all but a lot. If Alex comes back from his vacation with one arm, I will forgive a lot. Not all

Dan (00:05:09.000)

I'm thinking. I mean, obviously, I'm pretty sure it's a vacation. But there is there is a little part of me that still like, I think something might have gone wrong that maybe he's actually kind of sick or something.

Jordan (00:05:20.000)

What's 127 hours? But if he's 127 hours in

Dan (00:05:24.000)

it? Well, I mean, like he the last episode he did was a little piece on Friday. Yeah. And then just gone for this entire week, full week. That's even longer than a lot of the time when he goes down to Cabo. Yeah, that's true. So like, you know, it's an extended vacation. If it's a vacation.

Jordan (00:05:43.000)

Do you think there's barricades involved?

Dan (00:05:45.000)

You know what, I could probably solve this mystery by like listening to one of the episodes with Owen, where he probably says where Alex is.

Jordan (00:05:52.000)

I honestly that never occurred to me.

Dan (00:05:56.000)

It occurred to me but I rejected the idea immediately.

Jordan (00:05:59.000)

Why would I want continuity outside of the show? That's absurd. No, I want none of that.

Dan (00:06:04.000)

Yeah, neither do I don't know. Although he has been going around yelling about target. So that's for sure. I mean, they're mad. who spent what? Because they had like pride. memorabilia and goods and what have you. It's a attacking the children.

Jordan (00:06:22.000)

Here's what I say. Let them have it. Conservatives can be mad at all the brands they want. They let them have it. I want none that I don't want anything to do with it.

Dan (00:06:30.000)

It's I don't know. It's we just got to look at it for what it is. It's a tantrum, Throwing tantrum.

Jordan (00:06:36.000)

I don't care if you're mad at a corporation. That's how we all live all the time. Yeah.

Dan (00:06:42.000)

Yeah, I just I feel like it's maybe best not to play into it with them. You know, just sort of like oh, your mind a Bud Light now? Yeah. Okay.

Jordan (00:06:53.000)

You know, it seems like you were less mad with Exxon. When oil spilled throughout the entire fucking ocean.

Dan (00:07:00.000)

Yeah. No, they didn't have some kind of LGC they didn't support

Jordan (00:07:06.000)

exactly the rainbow. The rainbow oil wasn't made yet. Right.

Dan (00:07:09.000)

Yeah, the right wing. Folks were not attaching their grievances. That's,

Jordan (00:07:14.000)

that's what we need to do. We need to cause a massive environmental collapse based on an oil spill. But we rainbow, we make the oil rainbow color. I think you find the right angle where the light is referring to right. Yeah, absolutely. We that's what will bring us all together. Finally. Now. Not.

Dan (00:07:35.000)

So yeah, we're in the past. Today. We're talking about February 24 2004. We're going to do our march through Valentine's month. 2000 For sure. This this episode's got some interesting bullshit. Just mostly stories that aren't true. Okay. I like it. Good storytime. Yeah. And then I spent a little bit too much time learning about the executive branch of the government of the Republic of Texas.

Jordan (00:08:01.000)

So sorry, wait, wait. The one before the

Dan (00:08:05.000)

four became a state. Okay. Just just to be clear, before it became a state right,

Jordan (00:08:09.000)

the one before and not the one after our times coming up shortly?

Dan (00:08:13.000)

No, no, there's still a lot of people who are in the running for for those seats. Gotcha. So we'll get down to business on this. But before we do, let's take a little moment. Jordan, say hello to some new ones.

Jordan (00:08:23.000)

Oh, that's a great idea.

Dan (00:08:24.000)

So first, Chris, you're now a policy wonk. Big thank you to Amy DCX Clark, for introducing him to the show. You are now policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:08:31.000)

I'm a policy wonk, thank

Jordan (00:08:32.000)

you very much.

Dan (00:08:33.000)

Next, Dan. It's Hank texted me back. I texted you after you were on behind the bastards. What did you do change your number text me back. I miss your friendship, and I need a defamation attorney. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. Now, before I hit the sound effect, I want to say this very clearly. Okay, I did. I miss you, too. Here's what I'm gonna do. Maybe you haven't changed your numbers. So I will try to text the number that I still have of yours. Or, I mean, it got to be able to find that email address. So you should have it. So that'll be simple. I'll reach out to you. We'll figure it out. I'm gonna stick to Hank. I hope you don't need a defamation lawyer. Because I've dropped the ball on our friendship. Otherwise, I have a couple of good recommendations. I know a couple guys. Yeah, we do. But you're now ballsy one.

Alex Jones (00:09:18.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Dan (00:09:19.000)

you very much. Thank you. Next, let's get down to business first announced the walks did you send me salines when I asked for Knox, thank you so much. Oh, that's right. Yeah,

Jordan (00:09:29.000)

no, that's Milan. Oh, yeah. Let's get down to business. You've got your I can't read it.

Dan (00:09:37.000)

I don't know Mulan soundtrack.

Jordan (00:09:40.000)

Oh, I mean, well, I mean, do you want me to just sing the regular song?

Dan (00:09:43.000)

No. Oh, you're now palsy Wong.

Alex Jones (00:09:45.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Dan (00:09:48.000)

Christopher, I didn't do this. I'm not worried about it. Thank you so much. You're on our policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:09:53.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:09:54.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:09:55.000)

I only got a couple of technocrats in the mix Jordan so first rousse ru Cirino and the steam thank you so much. You're now tech technocrat and he can be hidden really Hy GGYLDY

Jordan (00:10:12.000)

higgledy Higgledy Piggledy like Higgledy Piggledy, right?

Dan (00:10:16.000)

I guess. I don't know. It's too many G's and wise sounds right to me. Either way. You're now technocrat. Thank you.

Alex Jones (00:10:22.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Unknown Speaker (00:10:24.000)

The amount of intelligent brilliant

Alex Jones (00:10:26.000)

someone someone sodomized, sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser. Little little Katie, baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounced Jesus Christ.

Dan (00:10:41.000)

Thank you. Yes. Thank you very much. Now, Jordan. Yes, we started our adventure here on the 24th. And Alex, one thing I think I've mentioned this before, I do appreciate in the past that he will often announce his guests at the top of the show where it's now it's kind of, you know, catches catch can turn on the show. And I'm like, Oh, this person's coming up. And then sometimes I hear name and I'm like, I have no fucking idea who this person is. Today is the ladder, the ladder type.

Alex Jones (00:11:11.000)

All right, folks, it's Tuesday 24th of February 2004. And I'm Alex Jones, your host will be live for the next three hours. We've got Angel Shemaiah. From Keep and Bear arms.com. Coming on the next hour, one of their riders is also a writer for guns and ammo and other major publications wrote a letter to the San Francisco Police Department saying, you know, you guys aren't enforcing the law with these gay marriages. And, you know, I mean, what would you do if gun owners didn't follow the law? Would you not enforce your unconstitutional gun laws? Interesting, real simple. What he said I've got his letter. So he got police calls and police visits and stole part of the secret police atmosphere. So that's coming up.

Jordan (00:11:58.000)

Oh, boy. Okay, so this guy wrote letters to the Texas government know San Francisco, San Francisco government saying like lease Hey, why are you letting gay people get married? Yeah. If I didn't follow the law, you'd be mad at me. Right? That's a compelling argument. Yeah,

Dan (00:12:16.000)

you're giving permits or whatever for same sex couples to get married? And what if I did weird certain who buy guns? Yeah,

Jordan (00:12:25.000)

I mean, I feel like that's not gonna be a little more specific about what you want to do

Dan (00:12:29.000)

with those guns. That's illegal. I feel like

Jordan (00:12:31.000)

you don't understand what the end it's like, okay, when I do something illegal with a gun at the end of that is something way

Dan (00:12:38.000)

more illegal. How would you like it if I turned over a liquor store? Yeah. See? No,

Jordan (00:12:42.000)

no, see at the end of that. The gun is just an amplification device. Like at the end of the marriage thing. They just, they're just gone. They just go away? Yeah. You never think about them again. A marriage

Dan (00:12:52.000)

is not a weapon. No. So one thing you'll notice in that clip is that there's this far greater emphasis on Opposition to marriage equality at this point in time, because that was the battle that conservatives were trying to fight. Most of society was making progress on that front and the forces that seek to oppose the tide of equality and regress back to more restrictive times. They just couldn't handle that. It's a very similar impetus that we see in terms of the right wing's obsessive and grotesque behavior surrounding trans people today. And I would guess that if present day, Alex were back on air in 2004, he'd be yelling about gay marriage being all about satanic pedophilia, or whatever. Also, in this clip, we get to be introduced to a new name, Angel Shamaya. This isn't someone who's come up on our radar before, so I'm gonna give you a little bit of a rundown. Okay, this person all right. Shamaya ran a popular gun rights website called Keeping bear arms, which he would eventually go on to sell to some conservative lobbying groups. Prior to that, though, he was a fairly big figure in the scene for folks like Alex, his site would have a gun news that cater to the worldview of gotten absolutist. They had like an aggregator kind of news headlines and stuff. Gotcha. In 2006, Angel was arrested and if you only consulted the gun, absolutist blogs and message boards, well, you'd come away with the impression that he'd been completely screwed. The police just showed up at his house one day for no reason and found a couple of handguns that he hadn't properly registered and decided to jam him up.

Jordan (00:14:16.000)

What's the big deal your tone of voice is suggesting that perhaps there's more to the store nom and the police states out of control I get Well then I guess I have nothing over so you must be correct.

Dan (00:14:26.000)

In reality Shemaiah birth name Scott Craig MC Reynolds got a visit from the police because his ex girlfriend had called them after he threatened to kill her. When the police arrived at his home they found 10 long guns 15 unregistered handguns and over 17,000 rounds of ammo. Naturally, the gun weirdo community minimized his ridiculous cache of weapons and pretended that he hadn't made domestic violence threats so that he could keep propping him up as a hero and raise money for his legal fees. After all, it's important to understand that if someone who happens to be a gun weirdo gets in trouble for threatening to kill his ex girlfriend. Next thing you know the second amendment is gone. Yeah, you just you got to understand this.

Jordan (00:15:03.000)

Yeah, it's almost like when you connect your need for a gun with the your regular treatment of women, then one of them serves the you know what I'm saying? Oh, no. Oh, I'm just making a noise. Oh, okay. You know, I hear okay, we can talk about and listen. Let's get off the topic of guns, right? With that politically charged all of that stuff. This guy's a hoarder. He's got that that's too much ammunition. That's too much. You don't need that much to do anything.

Dan (00:15:36.000)

I think for I look, I'm not the best expert on this trip. But I think that having a large amount of rounds of ammunition isn't that weird? If you're someone who shoots recreationally fairly often, I don't think you need 25 guns. And I think 17,000 rounds is more than that threshold. That's what, like, you know, recreational shooting. Yeah, it's a cash.

Jordan (00:16:03.000)

It's, it's hoarding and it's the sign of depression. And I feel like that's something that people are not talking about. If you've got a lot of guns, go see a therapist, you know, go see a psychiatrist, you've got too many. You've got too many bullets. It's a lot of bullets. Yeah, spend the money on talking to somebody.

Dan (00:16:21.000)

So this may not be the most extreme example we've encountered. But it's pretty clear that if you pay attention that almost all of these people who are in Alex's orbit, they're abusive monsters. This isn't a coincidence. These people are almost always abusive monsters, because their political ideology is organized around using power to abuse people. And so that's why you kind of see these trends. Almost universally. Yeah.

Jordan (00:16:44.000)

I mean, you you you say to yourself, are they taking work home or are they taken home to work?

Dan (00:16:51.000)

So anyway, Angel Shemaiah is

Jordan (00:16:54.000)

why the name? I don't know. Okay.

Dan (00:16:57.000)

I don't know. It's weird. I try not to mock too much about people changing the name because like, maybe you want to change your name. Oh, no, I

Jordan (00:17:06.000)

thought it was the I thought it was like a reference to something or he was like it that it was a nom de Geer

Dan (00:17:11.000)

seems just kind of like a hippie ish, new agey vibe. I don't know.

Jordan (00:17:18.000)

I mean, I got a nice, it's got a nice ring to it, you know, Shamaya. I liked that. I

Dan (00:17:23.000)

think a fair amount of folks who are who leaves sort of sovereign citizen II kind of go with

Jordan (00:17:29.000)

oh, they change at all. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. But yeah,

Dan (00:17:33.000)

I don't know. It's not my business.

Jordan (00:17:36.000)

I nod sagely, of course. People who believe that if your name is in capital letters, the government owns you, or at least a facsimile of yourself would change their name. I say, of course to that, man.

Dan (00:17:49.000)

So yeah, Angel Shamaya is barely on this episode. He has a bit of a cold or something and so fair, their interview is cut short, and there's really nothing going on with it. So we're not actually even going to hear anything. But Alex has a number of headlines on this episode that are all trash. They're just not real.

Alex Jones (00:18:09.000)

here in Austin, Texas. We well have had Texas independence day. marches, rallies for over 100 years and it's a family event. The city of Austin doesn't want to be a part of that it won't allow a parade they won't vote provide security so you can't have a parade. The city of Austin sponsors Cinco de MAYA Oh, over 10 years ago, I guess about 12 years ago, University of Texas banned Texas independence day from the schools sponsoring it or any department sponsoring it, but they do sponsor Cinco de Mayo and Kwanzaa and everything else. And so I have the Associated Press article here, Texas independence parade canceled because of cost. That is they say you can't have a parade because we don't want to pay for it. The city can't spare the police. But they can for 10s of 1000s of screaming people waving Mexican flags on Cinco de Maya. City Austin cancels Texas Independence Day Parade, the sponsor Cinco de mio and everything else as long as it's not Texan. The University of Texas canceled Texas independence day over 10 years ago, but they ended the university department from supporting it. Now the city of Austin is saying they can't allow the parade because they can't supply police for it. But every year for Cinco Demayo Austin's downtown is shut down as 1000s of screaming people violently wave Mexican flags. Interesting.

Jordan (00:19:44.000)

I mean, you know, I was thinking just that I was thinking, you know, you let a university ban Texas independence day, the next you know, 10 years later, you can't have a parade in one small city have in the corner. So it's not a small city. I don't mean small city but rather Simply speaking to the entire size of Texas. Yeah,

Dan (00:20:03.000)

well, Texas is a big old.

Jordan (00:20:05.000)

It's a big old, plain old state. You declared independence for all of it. Maybe you don't get that tiny little.so. As

Dan (00:20:10.000)

we learned in one of our Live episodes where we were celebrating Texas independence state we did most of the stuff Alex says about the holiday and how it's banned from being celebrated is complete bullshit. He's just using this as a prop that he's wielding to beat the audience over the head with the impression that white people are being repressed. Meanwhile, all non white people are given free rein to do whatever they want whatever they want. You could just hear that dripping out of his rhetoric as he described Cinco Demayo parades as violent wave flat flag waving, like ridiculing people

Jordan (00:20:39.000)

just just nonstop. Oh, they just let all the screaming people violently

Dan (00:20:43.000)

waving flag. Yeah. What

Jordan (00:20:46.000)

does that mean really?

Dan (00:20:47.000)

Once again, Alex doesn't really know what he's talking about here, but he's close to a general point. In 2002, the city council of Austin passed Resolution 200 to 1003 Dash 040, part of which had to do with which events were granted an automatic waiver of fees. Most of these events are ones that are co sponsored with the city, and there's five of them in number. There's fiesta de independencia, which is not Cinco Demayo, the Veterans Day Parade, the Juneteenth Parade, which is not Kwanzaa, the Martin Luther King Day Parade and a commemorative event for September 11. Right, those are the five that the 2002 resolution granted automatic waivers to outside of these events, which are specifically co sponsored by the city and thus have their fees waived, you can apply to have those fees that you would accrue waived as well. It requires the support of three council members and the council needs to quote find that the program or project serves a public purpose. In theory, all of the other events that make Alex so mad are ones that went through those proper channels and applied for fee waivers, or they may have actually accepted the burden of paying those fees themselves. The Texas Independence Day Parade in Austin is run by a nonprofit called Celebrate Texas and in the previous year, they'd paid all the fees themselves, which totaled approximately $5,000. This year, the fees they would need to offset were $11,800, which they said they couldn't afford. The city wasn't keen to co sponsor the parade since there had been a ton of requests for fee waivers, and they couldn't afford to just rubber stamp all of them. One thing that I think it's important to recognize is that this isn't a super long standing tradition. Celebrate Texas only started doing their parades in 2000. And even without the parade, they still held a large celebration at the Capitol and fun was had by all very family. Yeah, also they were able to make a huge stink out of not getting their fees waived and they were able to use the political clout that they had to get future sponsorship of their parade into an emergency agenda for the City Council. Oh my god on January 29 2004, which was prior to the episode of Alex's show we're listening do now by about a month the motion to authorize the waiver for celebrate Texas as parade and their fun run was approved. A month in the past

Jordan (00:23:13.000)

I just it you know it is it is like that's what we got to do. If you want if you want to do anything in this dumb country, you have to go way the fuck overboard on any small problem to get what you want. You can't ever be like, well, we'll change this soon. You have to be like, they're gonna make us wear shoes to work. Like you'd have to just scream your balls off.

Dan (00:23:36.000)

I don't know if that works on the other side. Yeah, well, it doesn't seem to I don't think that you know, I mean, I don't think that I'm not saying that, you know, climate change. Activism has been, you know, melodramatic, or, you know, over the top in a way that is inappropriate. But there have been, you know, people who have been screaming about, you know, the dangers and the need to, you know, make changes and stuff. And it doesn't seem to do anything to do much. No, no. So I don't think this strategy works in the reverse, unfortunately. But I understand what you're saying because

Jordan (00:24:10.000)

it they get what they want

Dan (00:24:12.000)

all the time, the tantrums the right

Jordan (00:24:14.000)

way. I mean, that's what happens when you have a lot of guns to your tantrums or a lot more violence.

Dan (00:24:20.000)

There's a double edged sword. Yeah. So because they claimed that they didn't have time to make the 2004 parade happened celebrate Texas was reimbursed the just over $2,000 that they paid in application and permit fees, and thus were able to hold the events. They had that year on the city's tab like the thing at the Capitol. And then on February 26, a couple days after this episode that we're listening to now, the City Council passed a resolution adding the Celebrate Texas parade and run to the list of city code sponsored events assuring that they would get an automatic waiver for the city fees every year from then on. They were added to that list of five now Now there were six.

Jordan (00:25:01.000)

It's the type of shit that you see in elementary school. And everybody goes, Why are you giving everything that fucking crying kid? Why are you giving everything they want to? That's absurd. You're rewarding negative behavior scream

Dan (00:25:17.000)

the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Jordan (00:25:19.000)

I mean, yes, you did jobs. Yes, not dammit.

Dan (00:25:22.000)

So ultimately, this is a case where a nonprofit was used to paying the fees themselves, and then they couldn't afford the increased cost. They weren't one of the events that the city co sponsored so they weren't entitled to a waiver and because of shoddy planning, their years parade was canceled. In response to public backlash from folks who definitely aren't mad about holidays celebrated by a non celebrated product predominantly by non white people, they were able to almost immediately get reimbursed for fees paid and get their event added to a shortlist of city co sponsored events. It all worked out exactly how Alex would have wanted, except that there wasn't a parade this year, which is really no one's fault, but the organizers so he shouldn't really, you know, be complaining about Ivy if he's wants to complain about anybody he should be complaining about celebrate Texas.

Jordan (00:26:10.000)

I'm amazed at how furious I am about something that happened 20 years ago. This is so infuriating, and it's unfairness it it's it. It's a bad representation of everything that's wrong with life. Yeah, this is awful.

Dan (00:26:23.000)

Also, it's important to point out that Alex says that the city of Austin co sponsors the Cinco Demayo parade in the city, which is not true. There's a nonprofit called cinco, Cinco Demayo committee that sponsors that event. Alex is making this up either out of thin air or because he thinks that fiesta de independencia, which is in September is the same thing as Cinco Demayo. Either way, this is not a mistake he's making in good faith. He's very intentionally trying to paint the picture of white aggrievement for his audience to lap up because that is a fundamental organizing principle of his ideology. White people are under attack, and the government is working hard to let non white people get away with all sorts of lawlessness, like violently waving flags. Yeah, that's the image that he's selling to the audience through these narratives. But it's not true. Yep. He's just finding headlines and disreputable outlets and then making up stories about them.

Jordan (00:27:14.000)

Yeah, anytime, anytime. Anybody on Infowars brings up flags and what other people do too or with them, I am always reminded of a burning Black Lives Matter flag. So there was a can go. It was

Dan (00:27:26.000)

I think, an episode that we found her Alex was supportive of people being allowed to burn flags. Yeah. I mean, American flag No, no, I mean, yeah, I have a vague memory of that happening. And and me being like, alright, Alex. Cool. Yeah. I'm gonna be like, I don't like it. But you have the right to

Jordan (00:27:43.000)

do it. Yeah. That's kind of the idea. Yeah. See, this is one of

Dan (00:27:47.000)

his varsity narratives throughout the episode. And then there's another big one. Another big one coming out of West Virginia, my man.

Alex Jones (00:27:56.000)

Okay. Again, your calls are coming up. I'll get to you here in a few minutes. I've got to talk about this was Virginia. They're about to pass a law that you got to take whatever vaccine the government says right now. 35 vaccines are mandatory, that matter how much Mercury's in them. So it's already been put in your body whatever we want whenever we want bill. Horses shots on all children World Daily on infowars.com homeschoolers fight state legislation that criminalizes parents who object. West Virginia homeschool their families and others were scheduled to stage two rallies today, the protests of the proposed bill that would require every child in the state to have a record of compulsory immunizations. Compulsory now, no one has done this, but the District of Columbia with one shot. And this is the government and they're coming out with new ones they want to make mandatory every year this is the government being able to put in your body whatever they want.

Dan (00:28:54.000)

Do not take me home mountain Mama. Oh, boy, West Virginia. Oh,

Jordan (00:28:58.000)

boy. Wow,

Unknown Speaker (00:29:00.000)

why? Wow,

Jordan (00:29:01.000)

take you home.

Dan (00:29:03.000)

I go home home,

Jordan (00:29:04.000)

you gotta go home.

Dan (00:29:05.000)

This bill that Alex is covering is Senate Bill 439 from West Virginia in 2004, which wasn't a new act itself. It was just an amending of an existing statute, right. Some of the amendments that were made were things like updating terms and changing who was responsible for what, for instance, the original language said that the State Director of Health was required to give new parents information about vaccination. And this changed that to the duty of a state health officer. That seems pretty mundane in terms of updates, but yeah, you know, there's just a language that

Jordan (00:29:36.000)

is, you know, that's what bureaucrats are for. So I don't have to go like Oh, no, let's change it.

Dan (00:29:41.000)

Yeah. One thing that's notable, if you look at these specific revisions of the bill was seeking to make none of it made anything involving vaccine refusal, any more or less illegal. Mostly the illegality comes down to people who falsify immunization records, which is already illegal in the original act. Yeah, this year. As changes the fine from quote, not less than $10, and no more than 50, to quote, not less than $100 and not more than 500. The original bill was from 1931 $10 back then adjusted for inflation would be the equivalent of $124.02 1004. So this is really actually cutting people who pass off fraud, fraudulent vaccine cards a break $50 We $621 I just,

Jordan (00:30:25.000)

I just can't, whatever. But whatever,

Dan (00:30:29.000)

fine. I'm used to that that response. Fine. The other thing that this bill would do is add mumps Hepatitis B and chickenpox to the vaccines that were required to enter public school. That's because these vaccines for these illnesses didn't exist when the first bill was originally passed. Okay. very ill. Yeah, but hepatitis B vaccine wasn't around until the late 60s, reliable mumps vaccination didn't come around until the early 60s. And the chickenpox vaccine wasn't approved for us use until 1995. This bill is really all just updates, and it doesn't even relate to homeschooled children at all, as this coverage is trying to make it presented. West Virginia was just saying that these vaccines were required to go to public school and if you tried to create fraudulent proof of vaccination, you'd be fined, which was already the case. Yeah. So this bill ended up passing the Senate, but it died in the house and Health and Human Resources Committee, and so it wasn't ever actually enacted. But consider the headline of the article that Alex is reading about this from world and that daily, quote, Bill forces shots on all children. That is not accurate. Okay. The article says this, quote, the legislation, Senate Bill 439, stipulates, quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized, close quote, would face a criminal charge. That's complete bullshit, and a bald faced lie. That part of the article, it uses these words from the bill, quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized. That's the part that's from the bill, right. But in the bill itself, it says this, quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized and is not exempted from immunization. From there it goes on to say the it'd be a Mr. meanor. And you'd get a fine. Yeah, but all of that language is actually from the original act from 1931. Not from this new amendment, but it's still they cut out the part where it's and do not exempt it.

Jordan (00:32:32.000)

Oh, did they cut that part out? Or did they just read what they wanted to and stop at the very word that they needed? No,

Dan (00:32:39.000)

I realize course, very conscious removal of this thing, because your argument is weaker, without Of course. So now, it is true that West Virginia only allows medical exemptions from vaccination. So it is true that I don't want to based exemptions don't really fly in terms of getting into public schools. But that was true before this bill, this bill didn't change anything. It's just pretty much entirely about public schools, too. It's not it's not about all children.

Jordan (00:33:10.000)

I mean, it's it's it's like, it's just cheating. It's cheating. It's a bullshit argument. I get it, whatever you think about vaccines, fine. It's a public safety. If you want to go to public, then you get the vaccines, the end. If you don't want to get the vaccines, then you don't get to go to public. I feel like it's very simple. It's a contract that you and I are making particular time every day. You don't get to whine about it.

Dan (00:33:33.000)

No, that's I mean, well, I mean, I guess you can whine about it. But you can't be disingenuous like this. Yeah, that's yeah, to operate on good faith.

Jordan (00:33:43.000)

Yeah, you can see like, I wish I could go to public if I got these vaccinations explained it to me. And then if you were capable of learning, then you would learn and then you'd be vaccinated. It's very simple.

Dan (00:33:52.000)

Well, I think I think the issue is that, like, you have an argument being made that like, I should not have to do this to go to this public school, right? And people's response is just like, nope, yeah. And then it's just, there's nowhere else to go. And so you create a lot of elaborate, sort of, make us silly, put on arguments. Yeah. So it's important to understand what the objective and action being taken here is the guy who wrote this article, it WorldNetDaily doesn't care about this bill. Alex doesn't care about this bill. And the homeschool organizations protesting this bill don't care about it either. They aren't homeschool organizations. They're anti Vax groups, and they don't like that West Virginia has vaccine requirements for public schools. They know full well that this bill is nothing more than a slight updating of some terms and has nothing to do with homeschooled children being forcefully vaccinated. But pretending that that is the case is the only way to use this as an opportunity to push the anti Vax agenda. This World Net Daily article starts quote, West Virginia homeschooling families and others were scheduled to stage two rallies today to protest a bill but a little bit later you find out that the rallies were organized by a group called West Virginians for vaccine exemption. The other group that's behind the rallies is a group called human life International, a Catholic anti abortion organization. Seems weird. This is the little sleight of hand that's going on here. The bill itself doesn't make choosing not to be vaccinated anymore or less difficult. West Virginia required proof of vaccination to go to public school before this, and this bill wouldn't change that. It's a non issue for homeschoolers, but if it's presented as if it is, there's a better chance of using it to inflame people. If you present this as like an anti vaccine issue or if you're upfront that weird leads anti abortion group that spearheading this outrage. Yeah, that would make people weird. You make it kind of easy for people to write you off immediately. Yeah, if you hide your real cards behind the image of homeschoolers you give cover to what you really are up to and you you create an argument that you're not actually making people think you're making right and so they engage with the wrong point and you can kind of get people on their back foot right

Jordan (00:36:01.000)

well that's why they called it Americans for Prosperity or for prosperity and not oligarchies for making us way more richer,

Unknown Speaker (00:36:08.000)

right? Yeah, yeah,

Jordan (00:36:09.000)

that's a better name.

Dan (00:36:10.000)

Yeah. Do you see this a bit? But yeah, it's it was it was weird to look at this and see like, nothing is nothing is happening here. And they're very mad about nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Is because the strategic use of that outrage, right? I'm sorry, I cut you off.

Jordan (00:36:31.000)

No, no, no, it's it's just it's just so much like, God. Why not today? Not not on this not not for this reason. Just pick something else assholes. We can do. Why do we have to argue about this? This is just fine. Let it go. Just let it go. But then you get you just lie about it. And you get money for paper from people? I don't understand.

Dan (00:36:54.000)

Yeah. And you don't allow updating of the Yeah, just oh,

Jordan (00:36:59.000)

$5 language.

Dan (00:37:04.000)

Oh, my God, it's so it's, it's a mess. What are we doing? So Alex goes a little bit more into this article, and World Net Daily. And he's got some he's got some takes. They're hot. Okay, hot takes.

Alex Jones (00:37:15.000)

And then in West Virginia, this is a big, big deal. And then we'll start going to Steve and Wes and Dylan and Clayton and Leslie and everybody else's patient holding gets a Clayton Bill forces shots on all children. And it's a long article. And the bill says, unlike 48 other states, West Virginia currently does not have a provision for a religious or philosophical exemption. However, families can assert they have sufficient medical reason for not immunizing a child which works in effect like an exemption, the new bill would do away with that right. And they've got passages here from the bill, you will be arrested, CPS will take your children, if you don't take all 35 of the mandated shots. And every year they're adding new injections.

Dan (00:38:10.000)

Oh man. So there's two types of lies that are happening here. The first is the sword that are actually in the world and that daily article which Alex's reading and passing along to the audience, the idea that this bill somehow eliminated parent's ability to plead medical exemptions is completely false. There was previous language that allowed students to enroll in public school if they had a quote certificate from a reputable physician showing that immunization for any or all is impossible or improper or sufficient reason why any or all immunizations should not be done. In the updated version. That language is stricken because it's redundant to the part where it says that children have to be immunized or be quote exempted from immunization. It was unnecessary language and if it weren't stricken out, don't pretend that Alex wouldn't do an hour on what the state would consider a reputable physician. That's code for a globalist vaccine doctor. Yep, the only people they will call reputable.

Jordan (00:39:03.000)

You'd never get an exemption from those all reputable

Dan (00:39:06.000)

doctors. Anybody who gives you an exemption is automatically not reputable. Yep, so the second type of lie is the one where Alex is just legitimately making things up. There's nothing in this bill about anybody getting arrested or CPS taking anybody's children. That's ridiculous. The only punishment that's ever mentioned is that fine which existed before this bill that was being updated to meet inflation. Further, there are not 35 mandatory shots. There are nine, diptheria, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, chickenpox, tetanus and whooping cough. Prior to this bill, there were six again because it was written in 1931. And I believe that it's actually even less actual shots because like measles, mumps and rubella Yeah, right. I mean, like it's, it's not nine, but even if it were, it's not 35 Nope, nope. So anyway, Alex, it isn't making stuff up.

Jordan (00:40:00.000)

Here's here's what I feel like should be a very simple argument. And it seems self evident. But if your argument is that vaccines are killing people, and we've had mandatory vaccines on the books for longer than all of us have been alive for. Wouldn't that mean that we're fine?

Dan (00:40:19.000)

No, because that's that secretly killing everybody. Huh? But we're, it feels like it feels like vaccines are killing everybody if you constantly just skim headlines from disreputable anti Vax news aggregators, right?

Jordan (00:40:33.000)

But I mean, can't you still be like, there's a lot more people than there were 100 years ago, it

Dan (00:40:38.000)

would be I have no proof of that. People just tell me there are more people I haven't counted.

Jordan (00:40:48.000)

I would appreciate that. If though. It's here. I'd be like, well, good point. Either you started or I started, but let's get going.

Dan (00:40:56.000)

All of your rebuttals can be dealt with their solipsism.

Jordan (00:41:01.000)

fairpoint no one else exists. But you.

Dan (00:41:05.000)

So Alex talks a little more about what should be done about West Virginia. All right.

Alex Jones (00:41:09.000)

Well, I'm sure in so much trouble. I mean, this country, wherever you live, you better call the legislature in West Virginia. And it's Senate Bill 439. And it's scheduled to pass in the next few days. It's got a bunch of co sponsors, and looks like it's gonna do it. And by the way, I have about 100 articles all this horrible today. Wow, all that horrible.

Jordan (00:41:33.000)

This horrible

Dan (00:41:34.000)

today, Alex has no idea if there are any co sponsors of this bill. He has no idea what the status is in the legislature, he can't even be bothered to accurately convey the fraudulent information in this World Net Daily article. He's just making all this up because it fits his anti Vax extremism, and helps perpetuate the feeling in the audience that they're under attack because they don't want to take vaccines, or be homeschoolers. Also, it seems super inappropriate for Alex to be telling his audience to call the West Virginia Legislature and harass them out of sight. What, no matter where you are, doesn't he believe in states rights and states business? Why should somebody in Texas or any other state have the ability to petition the West Virginia legislature about issues that don't involve them at all? It gets really weird. It makes sense to have feelings about a state's bills and laws. But unless you really feel like the country is one full community as opposed to 50, completely sovereign states, it doesn't make any sense to think that you have any right to get involved.

Jordan (00:42:30.000)

I mean, you're by the by virtue of involving yourself, you're essentially saying, I am so concerned about a slippery slope of you. One state mandating these vaccines, and having it turned into a wildfire of mandated vaccines everywhere that I am willing to berate you into stopping. Well, that's your that's why you're calling sure you know, whatever you have to say past that point,

Dan (00:42:57.000)

I guess. But I'm looking at it more from the angle of like, why you you, you are a citizen of the sovereign state of Texas. Sure, sure. You don't have any right to get involved in metal in the politics of the sovereign state of West Virginia,

Jordan (00:43:14.000)

the winds of change, blow West, my friend, and I refuse to let them have come here. Now personally,

Dan (00:43:19.000)

I believe that the country is a country. Why? And so for what reason? Now, granted, I don't know if I would call and harass other states legislature. But it makes more sense for someone with a political set that you are I have to be interested in various laws and other states and be concerned about the implications of them. Right. But for Alex, it doesn't Yeah, it really he really should not.

Jordan (00:43:46.000)

It would be it would be like Portugal being concerned about you know, like what's going on in I got nothing. Yeah, I was gonna name another place in Europe. But why bailed on

Dan (00:43:57.000)

a country? Why? Wow,

Jordan (00:43:58.000)

what would be the point? Spain?

Dan (00:44:00.000)

Yeah, so Well, it's

Jordan (00:44:02.000)

very, they're very close

Dan (00:44:03.000)

to Spain. What about it, we get to talk about a little country that Spain used to own and that is Mexico, Texas. So yeah, Alex gets back to talking about Texas independence. All right,

Alex Jones (00:44:15.000)

folks, I live in Texas. My family was involved in the war for independence against a brutal dictator called Santa Ana, who was later overthrown by the Mexican people. Over a third of those that fought against Santa Ana, for Texas independence were Hispanic. It was a Toronto gentleman who wrote the Texas Constitution and was the second command of its new government. But they tried to make it this racial issue and they've done a great job and it's the big white bankers. It's the government that to do to get us all on each other's throats.

Jordan (00:44:50.000)

Okay, aren't no you are, you're the only person doing this. The only one.

Dan (00:44:55.000)

So here's a little history lesson. Yeah, Texas declared independence in 1830. e6 After a brief revolution that it is fair to say it was fought by a coalition of white colonists from the United States and to hornos. The term to honto just means Hispanic people who live in Texas prior to Texas becoming a state. And then the term is used to describe people who are descended from such family share. A whole lot of the Constitution of the Republic of Texas is just taken from the US Constitution, and its primary author was a man named George Campbell Childress, who was from Tennessee and was very, not very much not somebody who would qualify as Tejano. He went to Mexican territory, then returned to Tennessee to recruit people to fight for Texas independence. When he returned, he wrote the Constitution and then he failed repeatedly to open Law Offices in Texas. Five years after writing the Texas Constitution, he took his own life by slashing his abdomen with a bowie knife. So that's a tragic end to child risks the author of the Texas independence why constitution, what a story in earnest, the Republic of Texas only existed for a handful of years, it was less than 10 years between the declaration of independence from Mexico and the absorption into the United States. So it's not like there was a really rich history here. In all likelihood, they never really would have even declared independence if the United States had supported the revolution in the first place. And the alliance of us colonists and the part of the Toronto population that supported them would have been happy to just become a state in 1835. Yeah, there were four presidents of Texas with Sam Houston serving two non consecutive terms, and they were all white dudes. What? Yeah, there were five vice presidents of Texas, four of whom were white dudes. Every vice president who served an actual term in office was a white dude from the United States. The interim vice president when they declared independence, however, was a Toronto man named Lorenzo de Zavala. Zavala was involved with the passing of the Constitution, but he didn't write it. This is who Alex is almost certainly talking about it. It would have to be he was also only vice president for a few months before he was replaced by the son of a plantation owner from Georgia named Mira boo Lamar, whose biggest claim to fame was how aggressively he tried to read Texas of Native Americans. He took particular aim at the Cherokee people who used as a scapegoat in his campaign to ethnically cleanse Texas.

Jordan (00:47:20.000)

Yeah, I feel like Toronto man being replaced by the son of a plantation owner is about as America as like that's and it's very,

Dan (00:47:29.000)

very indicative of to on the blink of Texas, politics

Jordan (00:47:33.000)

almost comically on the nose. Yeah,

Dan (00:47:36.000)

so this guy Lamar, who was trying to read the Texas native peoples Sure. Yeah, he was vice president from 1836 to 1838, at which point he was elected President of the Republic of Texas Great. Incidentally, Alex's old studio was on South Lamar Street in Austin, the city that Mirabeau levar made the capital of Texas in 1839. Right. So that's a fun little quick glance. That is, I'm not a Santa Ana apologist or anything, but Alex's version of this history is complete bullshit. The movement for Texan independence did involve some Toronto individuals, but it was predominantly a project undertaken by white colonial settlers from the United States wanted to claim the territory for themselves. Every member of the first elected government of the Republic was a white man from the United States, from the President to the Vice President to the secretaries in various departments chair postmasters, general chair, every member of the second elected government of the Republic of Texas was a white dude from the United States. There may have been some lesser positions that I can't find record of, but I was unable to find a single person who was in an executive position or in a leadership position in Congress or in the courts. That was not a white man from the United States. Yeah, it is fair to say that Lorenzo de Zavala was the interim vice president and it is possible that he would have had a larger role in the government moving forward if he hadn't died of pneumonia later in 1836. But those are what if questions, and the fact of the Universal White American man government of the Republic of Texas, that that actually had? I think it speaks volumes. Also, I'm about 100% Sure, give or take, give or take probably about 100%. Give or take zero? Yes. I'm 100% Sure. 100% Sure. Alex doesn't knows of Allah's name. No. Also he probably shouldn't like Zavala since one of the things he's most remembered for is being one of the most prominent masons in Mexico.

Jordan (00:49:32.000)

Sure, because why not? Yeah, why not? Throw that one in there? Just for a little twist? Yeah,

Dan (00:49:38.000)

I read a bit of Texas Constitution to Alex should be mad. He should be mad at it. Oh, yeah. Well, because the right to bear arms is the 14th Right? delineated in their constitution.

Jordan (00:49:49.000)

That means there's 13 Other ones more importantly, the fuck there's 12

Dan (00:49:52.000)

more, you know, it's 12 spots lower than in the US, man. Totally. It's interesting though. because in their constitution, their list of rights, they have the right to bear arms is the 14th. Right. And the establishment of a well regulated militia as the 15th. So it's actually separated in Texan constitution, which might have something to do with the way Alex views

Jordan (00:50:17.000)

but they do have to house and feed soldiers. Right? They don't have that amendment.

Dan (00:50:21.000)

I think it might. I'm pretty sure they do. I don't remember all right, had a bunch of

Jordan (00:50:25.000)

I'm just saying I would have some soldiers there if I could. That's what I would do.

Dan (00:50:30.000)

Man, Texas independence with wild Texas was a mess. I mean,

Jordan (00:50:36.000)

the idea of like, oh, no, no, no, it was definitely an independence movement. It totally home grown fully. Like that's that's ridiculous,

Dan (00:50:46.000)

very much predict very much. So then that's not to say that some people who were there weren't in in support of independence, and maybe even opposed to Santa Ana and Mexico. That is entirely fair, but to pretend that it was not a thing that was spearheaded and controlled by and run almost exclusively by white settlers from the United States. Yeah, is ridiculous.

Jordan (00:51:15.000)

I mean, you go anywhere and you start a revolution and whoever's there, there's plenty of people who don't like that government, whatever government it is true. You know, you can always get people for a revolution, Lorenzo.

Dan (00:51:25.000)

Lorenzo de Zavala was one such person. He was a noted critic of Santa Ana prior totally,

Jordan (00:51:31.000)

the government sucks. I agree with that statement across the board. Yeah.

Dan (00:51:36.000)

And, you know, it is something interesting that I think that you definitely have to look at this history through like, the appropriate racial lens of it. Yeah. You know, but at the same time, I don't think that people wanting to celebrate Texas independence day, in the present day are necessarily all motivated from a place of white aggrievement. Right. Yeah. Or, or like, I want to celebrate my race. Or, you know, I think there's a lot of people who probably celebrate the history of the state and like my home state. Now, Alex, on the other hand, I don't give the benefit of the doubt on that. Oh, no, that's a white thing that there's a lot of racial feelings thing. Yeah. That's around his his engagement with

Jordan (00:52:27.000)

me, there's a an Illinois Independence Day, and I'll be like, I remember Illinois, it's great state. And then it's like, I'm not going to look into the history of Illinois independence. for one simple reason. It's probably based on genocide. I mean, I don't even know if there was an Illinois independence. I don't care about any of them, all of

Dan (00:52:43.000)

them. I don't I don't think most states were countries for a while. Why not? And one of the things that's also fairly interesting, is you look at these folks who played major roles in the Government of the Republic of Texas, and you kind of assume that a lot of it is people who are like, from the south. Yeah, who are heading over. And that's not that's not universal. There. Were there were a number of folks from even New England de areas. Sure. That came down and and were involved in the the Republic of Texas. I thought it was

Jordan (00:53:17.000)

kind of like yeah, but that's that's part of that's part of the westward expansion, you know, that had no that had no geography. There was no South versus North. When you wanted to head west. The government was like, you take it you get it. And that was

Dan (00:53:32.000)

for sure. I just, you know, I just from convenience, like people get pulled over to trot over here. Turns out,

Jordan (00:53:44.000)

get mode on the Gulf and head to Texas. Yeah.

Dan (00:53:47.000)

So look, Alex is getting mad about nothing. All of these stories that he's covering on this episode

Jordan (00:53:53.000)

are non stories didn't happen or or happen

Dan (00:53:56.000)

or are completely different than what he's talking about. Yeah, he's just getting himself worked up.

Alex Jones (00:54:01.000)

I mean, look at the news. I just covered Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to be president. He wants you to get rid of the laws so he can do it. We told you that. GREENSPAN says Don't you criticize the loss of jobs, shipping jobs overseas is good for the economy. Bush wants to change it to were working at McDonald's is manufacturing. So he can in the economic index call that manufacturing. That's an official thing from his his Economic Council. City of Austin says after 100 plus years no more Texas independence day. They will not allow or issue a permit for that but they will for Cinco Demayo they're gonna pass a bill in West Virginia that you will take every shot they say, or you will have your children taken from him. That's gonna pass a law is passed the House in New Mexico where everyone will have to blow into the breathalyzer every time you start your car. Again, we're all criminals.

Dan (00:54:57.000)

Yikes, none of these stories are real. It's all meaningless bullshit, Alex is obsessing over specifically to make himself mad so he can toy with the feelings and emotions of the audience. We're all becoming criminals and slaves, apparently, because of this litany of nonsense headlines completely disconnected from reality. Yeah, Alex is working backwards because the conclusion he has in mind is already established. And it's his job to find material that he can use to prop up that conclusion. The end goal is the conclusion that we're all becoming criminals by the state police state, blah, blah, blah. So in order to push that forward, push towards that the headlines and how they're discussed must serve that purpose. He can't cover reality in real world terms, which isn't to say that he would want to anyway, right, but he literally can't without his messaging becoming completely incoherent. Let's take this Texas Independence Day Parade, story, as a great example, the city of Austin didn't say that they couldn't have a parade, it was just an issue where the fees weren't automatically waived, and the nonprofit who runs the parade couldn't afford to cover that bill. So the parade was canceled. If Alex covered this story, in line with reality, there's a problem that exists, which is that this bill needs to be paid. He loves Texas independence day, and he wants that parade so he could possibly pay that bill himself. But at this point in his career, he may not be able to throw around that kind of cash. So let's go the other way with it. He has a big audience. And the challenge of raising like $11,000 for this very important event would be super easy. If he wanted to solve the problem he claims to be so upset about it would be easy. But he doesn't do this because the parade not existing isn't really the problem. That's the mask that he has put on the problem. The real thing Alex is complaining about is that he feels like white people are treated mainly by the city government, but Hispanic community members aren't. That's the real story that he's covering a shit about the parade is just window dressing. That's why he can't even mention the parade being canceled without saying that the city sponsors the Cinco Demayo Parade, which isn't even true. It's because he needs both of these elements to be present for the story that he wants to tell, which is about a white victimhood narrative. That's why he can't just cover the real details of this story. And why he has no interest in using his platform to propose a productive solution, paying for the fees. So this group can have their parade solves the problem of the parade being canceled. But it doesn't solve the actual problem that Alex is talking about, which is that his white feelings are hurt. Anyway, a lot of Alex's coverage works this way. If you pay attention, you'll often notice that the thing he's pretending to talk about isn't really what he's interested in. But that there's something behind the pretense that is what he's actually talking about. Right. And I think it's I think it's really key to do you know, 100% in mind,

Jordan (00:57:44.000)

and it's even more indicative of how that actually functions in real life, which is to say, because the problem is not the problem that they're arguing about, even if you give them what it is that they want it well, they're not going to let you think they will exactly storm, you're not going to change, you're not going to change anything. And it's only going to happen forever. Because if you actually look at somebody in the eye and say, I want you to give preferential treatment to white people all the time, they will just say no, right? But instead, if you go well, I want you to give white people preferential treatment this time, they'll also go, No, instead you go, if you give anybody else treatment, that's better than my uncle everybody, you know, like, it's insane. It's absolutely insane. And because they keep getting what they want, they will never stopped doing it. They'll never stop doing it. Sure. Why would you?

Dan (00:58:40.000)

Well, yeah, I mean, because society can't really do this forever. Wearing down people. I mean, that's a good reason not to,

Jordan (00:58:53.000)

it's on to a certain point that we have to accept that it's on us for letting them do this shit forever. And just getting down to the bottom of it and saying, All you want is preferential treatment for white people all the time. No,

Dan (00:59:05.000)

I don't I look, here's here's where I'm at. Yeah, I agree with your premise. As much as I think that it is everyone else's fault for putting up with this. But I don't know how to not I don't know what the alternative is, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, what behaviors would need to be taken to not put up with this.

Jordan (00:59:25.000)

I mean, honestly, I

Dan (00:59:27.000)

think understanding it better helps the show. I think a lot of people don't even like what you're saying about like, in this case, giving the people like Alex what they want. Yeah, according to what you would assume they want like, which is what they're saying, yeah, that isn't going to change their behavior at all. No. But I think a lot of people who don't see the second layer underneath what Alex is talking about, right would assume that this is what you want. We're solving the problem. Well, you

Jordan (00:59:58.000)

don't want to just assume that But that person is coming to you from an extremely racist place, right?

Dan (01:00:03.000)

Or a dishonest Yeah, manipulative place. And so I don't think that you would be in any wrong to engage with them like that. However, if people had a greater understanding of like, what's going on under the surface, yeah, what like what is actually being demanded behind these demands? Right, then maybe they could be in a better position to engage with it. As it is, well, I mean, kind of rhetoric and such

Jordan (01:00:35.000)

it is, if we're going to call it a tantrum, then let's deal with it like a tantrum and just fucking weather it. They're going to make a big like a dirt road doesn't timeout, if you're in fuck, if you're fucking target and they're mad at you about something just go fine. And then wait it out. And they'll be mad at something else next week, Drew, you can't give them anything up. They just have to keep trying and failing until

Dan (01:00:57.000)

they give up can't empower things with things like this with no,

Jordan (01:01:02.000)

you're just giving them the thing that they you know, you're rewarding them positively. And that's going to continue the behavior.

Dan (01:01:08.000)

And I think that that's probably a part of why it's so frustrating for you hearing that story. Is that like the council, the city council of Austin having like this emergency session? Yeah, inserting that into the agenda is the, you know, giving deference to a tantrum. Totally. And,

Jordan (01:01:28.000)

yeah, you're throwing garbage under the bed trying to keep the monster from eating you. And it's like, why are you what are you doing? Wait

Dan (01:01:34.000)

a second. That's a good idea. I never thought of that. Let's

Jordan (01:01:37.000)

keep throwing more garbage under this monster. Yeah, it can't possibly ever go

Dan (01:01:42.000)

wrong. No. So Alex, get some callers. He takes some calls. Sure. This guy confused me a little bit.

Jordan (01:01:49.000)

I don't I don't.

Dan (01:01:50.000)

I'm not 100% Sure. If I'm even like in the same reality.

Caller 1 (811) (01:01:55.000)

I've got a book about. It's the Roosevelt myth, my friends, and what do you read nexport 1933. You know, people are so dumbed down by by the way, they don't care either

Alex Jones (01:02:08.000)

way. Every time I tune into a neocon now, they're talking about how great Roosevelt was? Oh, yeah, he was great. Hearing people talk about how great Roosevelt was,

Caller 1 (811) (01:02:19.000)

from what, from what I'm getting out of this book. He was basically the start of all this well, in the bank, government beyond unbelievable what he did. I mean, he ran his platform, trying to get elected on how Hoover was spending way too much money. The first thing he does, he gets in the office and he start, you know what this the different organizations for this new organization that basically just taken control, the federal government just put control over a whole nation ever said, it's unbelievable. And that's fine. You don't even understand they don't even care they only want to do is watch these ignorant, stupid reality TV crap. And so

Dan (01:03:01.000)

the reason I'm confused?

Jordan (01:03:04.000)

Exactly. Is it completely?

Dan (01:03:05.000)

I'm not sure. Believe that be sure I'm confused. Because this guy's reading a book that's clearly about FDR. Yes, it has to be. And I think that the Neo cons are into Teddy Roosevelt.

Jordan (01:03:15.000)

I that's what I assume. Because that's what the what would make sense for them.

Dan (01:03:20.000)

I can't I mean, look, I It's so nonspecific that it's very difficult to like, check. Right? I don't believe that the people that Alex routinely labels and singles out as the neocon folks have any love for FDR,

Jordan (01:03:37.000)

I generally remember them appreciating the Roughriders more than the WPA. Yeah, let's put it that way.

Dan (01:03:43.000)

Yeah, it was really confusing. I don't know i

Jordan (01:03:47.000)

Man, I just I just I love the removal of context. Like, ah, FDR gets into office and the first thing he does is start making all these organizations get people back to work, because there was something going on what was it is a depression. It's a great tip. Oh, that's got the great in front of it yet. Maybe there was a reason

Dan (01:04:06.000)

maybe, maybe, maybe. That wasn't in the book, though. It doesn't seem like it. So this book, The Roosevelt myth was written by a man named John T. Flynn. Flynn was a weird dude. He was a big time anti interventionist, going so far as to being like a major figure in the early like creation of the America first committee, which was organized primarily to keep the US out of World War Two. That group had some serious problems with anti Semites and Nazi sympathizers in its ranks. But I don't have any reason to think that Flynn was one such person he seemed to be primarily motivated by the like opposition to US intervention in all foreign wars. Wow. Wild however, yeah, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Flynn entirely abandoned his beliefs. Hell yeah. fully supported the war effort. Don't

Jordan (01:04:51.000)

blow up my fucking place, man.

Dan (01:04:55.000)

It's somewhat ironic too, because his later career largely revolved around disseminating half cooked conspiracy theories about Pearl Harbor. And like Roosevelt knew was gonna happen. Yeah,

Jordan (01:05:05.000)

that's, that's one of the that's like that 911 moment, you know, that happened for some people where it's just like 911 happened. Like, I mean, Dennis Miller became a completely different person. True, you know, he was the thing, and then 911 happened, and then God knows, you know, yeah,

Dan (01:05:20.000)

I don't know enough about this Flynn guy. And I'm just making this up. So take it with all of the salt in the world. Okay. But the vibe that I get from this kind of behavior sure, is like, okay, so you have this anti interventionist position, and this sincere politics, then Pearl Harbor happens, it's a traumatizing event for the entire country totally, is huge. And then you're like, alright, well, we got to go to war. I mean, you kind of got it. So you go back on your own positions and your own beliefs, right. But then you're like, I, I went against my own beliefs, it does have that field too. And then so you come up with conspiracy theories in order to deflect from the fact that you went against your own beliefs due to the rising tide of public opinion. After after this giant traumatic event, right? It would be like someone who was like, really against war 911 happened, then they support the invasion of Iraq, and then come up with conspiracy theories to explain why they were tricked into spray right or something. It has that feeling and I don't know, Flynn, is that, like I said,

Jordan (01:06:29.000)

I understand what you're saying that's, that's a very consistent kind of trait for for a lot of people is, is that once you experience that cognitive dissonance that overwhelms you, you kind of have to spend the rest of your life dealing with cognitive dissonance. It emotionally

Dan (01:06:42.000)

fits. Yeah. So I told you, we weren't going to hear anything from Angel. Shemaiah Shemaiah. And that's true. Okay.

Alex Jones (01:06:51.000)

Let's go to Angel Shemaiah. And the angel Good to have you on the broadcast with us. Do we have Angel there, guys? I hear some noise in the background. Perhaps she's taken another call or had a phone problem. Okay, we'll try to get him back on them. leash. Thanks.

Dan (01:07:17.000)

So yeah, he's, he's not there. So we're not gonna hear anything from him. He's maybe on another call. They do end up getting getting a hold of him. Day comes on, but he's not feeling well. So he has to cut the interview short. Great. Okay. Yeah, not a whole lot to dig out of that one. So we got to get some calls, though. And we'll get back to this West Virginia story. Big, big stuff.

Caller 2 (811) (01:07:39.000)

Reason why I call this I wanted to make a short comment on West Virginia. And what's going on there. Somebody is when they come poke my children. With our two and four right now, my daughter's for my son's two when they come to poke my children. Because I know the agenda always goes on. Regardless if it starts in West Virginia, or if it starts in any other state is going to be pushed when they come What if it starts, I will not let them guarantee you I will lay down my life before they poke my children, or before they draft my children, or before they draft on my family. I guarantee you, I will not let them and if they try, just let them try. Number two.

Alex Jones (01:08:19.000)

All for those that don't know that just joined us. They're about to pass a bill that your child will have to take 35 vaccines containing mercury. They admitted to killing and maiming total autism, massive brain problems. Mainstream News admitting the troops are dead and dying from the vaccines. They say nationwide as the feds are pushing this, a bunch of states are about to try to make it the law. West Virginia is about to pass the bill, SB 439 To make you take the shots now that's not freedom people. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Dan (01:08:52.000)

Just whipping people up into a frenzy.

Jordan (01:08:56.000)

Yeah, you know, I

Dan (01:08:57.000)

gotta say this bullshit. Now you respond in anger, talk about how you kill people who are coming to poke your kids.

Jordan (01:09:05.000)

If you're the type of person who is often finding fictional scenarios wherein you would be willing to kill or lay down your life in protection of the others. I have great news for you. Probably not going to happen probably overwhelmingly, probably not going to happen. Yeah, but

Dan (01:09:21.000)

it's fun. Fun to talk about. Your radio show, I guess. seems to happen a lot. Like come and poke my kids off. Caleb happens a lot on our show. So it must be fun. It's got to be some there are a few other explanation. I must be something satisfying about it. Yeah, but Alex is just, you know, like lying about this story. And I got to thinking about like, it must be freeing in some way. Like, he's using the World Net Daily article as a source. Sure. So who cares if you lie about it?

Jordan (01:09:51.000)

Yeah, you know, what, are they gonna be mad? Right? Right. They're making. They're absolutely lying. You're involved in the Griffis man now the

Dan (01:09:59.000)

state cuz are so weird. Here Here was the thought that I just I am shocked I don't think I've had before. Okay, but it's like, okay,

Jordan (01:10:08.000)

somebody's gonna come up with an episode and yeah, I'm sure.

Dan (01:10:11.000)

But maybe I've thought about it and forgot. Like you use an outlet like WorldNetDaily and you can be forgiven for using that once or twice. And then like the story that is on there as total shit. Sure and you're like, you know what, maybe they're not a good outlet maybe it's a bad move, Alex consistently uses these outlets that are constantly wrong. And the only explanation for that is that he likes stuff that's constantly wrong. There's no stakes, you lie about this shit. They're lying to ya. It's all just there's there's no concern for truth preservation,

Jordan (01:10:48.000)

right? It's a safe pond. Yeah, like when you're once you're in the ship pond. Everything shit. It's already shit. There's no chlorine in the pond. Yeah, it's all garbage. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's all just another drop in the bucket of shit. You know? Yeah. So I

Dan (01:11:04.000)

it's a half formed thought that I have but yeah, it is. It is a the stakes are lower.

Jordan (01:11:10.000)

It is it is a bit like once someone pitches in the pool. It's in there. It's just in there

Dan (01:11:15.000)

and not getting it out too. Yeah.

Jordan (01:11:18.000)

Why stop now? Right? Yeah. It is very much a one is all scenario.

Dan (01:11:24.000)

Yeah. P. Anyway, a caller has an idea here that I think is dangerous. Okay,

Caller 2 (811) (01:11:32.000)

so listen, I, first of all, I got all your tapes that I could get, I think about six or seven of them and divide them up and and put them on my public access channel. I really appreciate that. Okay. And you know, it got me. I think that people are really intrigued about it. But now, listen, I had a great idea for a website sort of like that. Remember when God when God came out and everybody put up point Esther's information on the on the internet? Oh, yes, I think that we ought to have a website called tarred and feathered. Norton started.com is taken, but it looks like a small potato guy. And it's ready to expire in April, but current other.net is still available. And if we put up all these new world, cronies, information, anybody anyway, we'll close by them to go talk to them. You know, I mean, on reddit.com or.net. But just an idea, you know, I tried to find a lot of information on a lot of people is because I'd like to know where they are. And

Alex Jones (01:12:29.000)

tell you what Paul said, and we'll talk more about it.

Dan (01:12:32.000)

So this caller seems to want to start a tar and feather Daxing website.

Jordan (01:12:37.000)

Weird pre Daxing world. Yeah, you know, it was before we had do x x.

Dan (01:12:43.000)

I mean, he wants to create a database of like home addresses of people he feels our new world order

Jordan (01:12:50.000)

should do is have a public kill list what we need to know

Dan (01:12:53.000)

people can go over and talk to them if you know what I mean. Yes, exactly. And

Jordan (01:12:57.000)

that's why we named our website tar and feather right. So people could go talk to them,

Dan (01:13:01.000)

talk to them, just go talk to him pitch,

Jordan (01:13:03.000)

we are deliberately evoking what would happen to tax collectors and government officials? A foot whatever. Yeah.

Dan (01:13:11.000)

I don't know. If I were Alex, I probably would probably try and stem this kind of conversation. I feel like it's irresponsible dangerous. The what people would do with that information in Alex's vigilante gas. Right, fantasizing followers, I think I think you might end up with a increase in federal sales. Yeah.

Jordan (01:13:33.000)

Yeah. So there would be some benefits economically.

Dan (01:13:37.000)

Sure. There'll be trickled down from from the tar and feather market. Right, right. But yeah, Alex has one problem with this site. And it's not, not what you think.

Jordan (01:13:48.000)

And let's go ahead others to solve that

Alex Jones (01:13:51.000)

to the caller, that we were just talking to Paul in New York. Paul, you were making some points?

Caller 2 (811) (01:13:59.000)

Yeah. Well, you know, I just thought that, that, first of all, that tar and feather website would be a great way. Well,

Alex Jones (01:14:06.000)

I mean, I mean, yeah, it's good to have websites that expose corrupt politicians and corrupt government, pimps and minions. The problem is there's there's there's hundreds of 1000s of high level bureaucrats, millions total. Hundreds of state and county and city agencies in every state, if not 1000s. And I mean, it, it would be encyclopedic. What we need is lots of regional websites.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:36.000)

We could have one major website, you could pick your region.

Jordan (01:14:41.000)

Craigslist,

Alex Jones (01:14:43.000)

indie media often.org or indie media dot, you know,

Caller 2 (811) (01:14:47.000)

like, I'm in New York. Yeah. Right. You know, like, we're, we're, we're all these people, you know, like David Rockefeller. He was in New York, but you know, you know, like, what, where, what's his address? He put on a lot of information on information on porn. and extra, that was great. I mean, you know, you got to hear your views. But I know it's a lot of work. And I tell you, I can go on to work with somebody on a project like that.

Dan (01:15:07.000)

But you would. Yeah. Where's it David Rockefeller?

Jordan (01:15:11.000)

I'm fairly certain got eyes on him. I'm fairly certain two things just happened. Alex pointed out that the website he was trying to create already existed. It's called Facebook.

Dan (01:15:21.000)

No, because Facebook doesn't have a database of people's addresses who you think are globalist? No,

Jordan (01:15:25.000)

but the point being is that there's hundreds of 1000s There's millions of people, right, there's no way to catalogue all of them right without ultimately getting

Dan (01:15:35.000)

unless you have a drop down sub pages on the website

Jordan (01:15:43.000)

doing oh my god, go to your region and find the globalist nearest you.

Dan (01:15:48.000)

Yeah. Go talk to

Jordan (01:15:50.000)

like a Google Maps for talking to people.

Dan (01:15:55.000)

County officials, apparently qualified search near you. I mean, look, this is a bad idea. It's

Jordan (01:16:03.000)

a bad idea. Pretty dangerous.

Dan (01:16:05.000)

Yeah. I

Jordan (01:16:06.000)

don't think we should put our state comptroller's at risk.

Dan (01:16:09.000)

These people want to. But here's one, I have a tough.

Jordan (01:16:13.000)

Oh, boy.

Dan (01:16:14.000)

So we have one last clip here. I mean, like most of the rest of the episode is Alex taking calls from people who are zeros and just trying to hit these main stories here. I have noticed, I think I've brought this up sort of that like the the template of an Alex episode in this period of time, is Ill have these headlines of sensational nonsense stories. A lie about them very briefly, and then go to the calls, hoping to get callers to say angry things about the stories that he's covering. Maybe there'll be a guest, maybe his water sponsor will show up. And then at the end, he'll promise to like, do a news Blitz and get into the stories. And then he'll just read the headlines over again, and then call it good.

Jordan (01:17:05.000)

So he's got segments, kind of like a like a show that would be produced. Yeah.

Dan (01:17:09.000)

Generally speaking, this is the path that a lot of these episodes go sure sensationalized headlines in order to incite callers talk to the callers hoping that they see the loop. Yeah, feedback loop. And then pretend you don't have time to get into any more depth. Too busy, too busy, right? That's kind of the way things go. Yeah. And this episode is no exception. But we have one more caller here. And first first thing to note about this, keep an eye out for him almost forgetting his fake name. And then just use a very sad picture.

Caller 2 (811) (01:17:44.000)

Yes, this. Mark, welcome. I got a question for you. I've been to your website numerous times over the years, using a friend of mine computer. And I guess it was last week or week before he came home and his computer was going haywire. And the only thing there was like several blank screens in front of his on his computer, and one of the Metapod said that the police are looking at their computer. Okay, well, any other problems with that? Or yeah,

Alex Jones (01:18:21.000)

I get emails every day because the software sellers sell software and say your computer's wide open, the police could look at it by our software. That's the sales pop up window. If you go to any of the major websites, Amazon drudge anything, they have an advertiser that has a pop up, that pops up and fills your screen with pop ups and it says the police are watching you. Your computer's wide open by our software. Okay. Yeah, that's that's emails every day asking me oh my god, the police are watching.

Dan (01:18:56.000)

So, you know, a rare positive thing to say about Alex, he resisted the opportunity to tell this caller there was something to be afraid of. Yeah, this is just a pop up ad is nice. Your friend's computer you watch my show on it. That didn't make the government end up, like cracking into his computer

Jordan (01:19:15.000)

as just just a bad pop up. That's

Dan (01:19:18.000)

nice. Yeah, because he could have really messed with this guy

Jordan (01:19:21.000)

now and he almost got to a good tongue twister. Software sellers sell software softly. Where?

Dan (01:19:28.000)

Huh? Yeah. I don't think Alex could say that. 10 times. I don't take that nor could you I doubt I could. Um, the second thing that jumps out to me about that. Is Alex saying that he gets this question like, yeah, every day and a million emails every day. probably an exaggeration, but I do believe that he probably gets it quite a bit and that is because the mentality that Alex perpetuates the coverage the editorial positions of his Joe would lead somebody who doesn't know that much about computers, maybe isn't that tech savvy, they would see that and be like, Oh my god, yeah, the government's trying to get me because I access this forbidden information that Alex is totally. And so obviously, that makes sense that these people would think Oh, absolutely, I like is fostering that kind of engagement with the world in his audience. And think about how many other places this could, like, intersect if they get pulled over just because of like a taillight being out or something? Yeah, how much would that like?

Jordan (01:20:38.000)

Be every every interaction in the world that Alex creates for you is heightened beyond, you know, like anything, like just the idea of getting a pop up? Like the scariest pop up was back then for me is like, this pop up is porn, you know? And that would happen Darius for

Dan (01:20:57.000)

me, it would be like, This is gonna make my computer crash.

Jordan (01:21:01.000)

Yeah, are all the all the toolbars, the Yahoo and all that stuff, and you'd go to your grandparents house and you'd see a mess, and they're just trying to play fucking solitaire or whatever, right? The idea that your grandparents would be like, Is the government trying to fucking kill me? Is this pop up? Legit? Yeah, like that's, that's scary. That's a real scare.

Dan (01:21:23.000)

Yeah, that's brutal. Well, and you know, it is based on a number of the, you know, the stories and the the prevailing ideas that Alex has, yeah, you could be forgiven for getting that in your head, especially when you're being targeted for being an info warrior for

Jordan (01:21:41.000)

sure. Oh, and especially when computer that guy is going to his friend's computer, you know, like it can't be It can't be understated that in 2004 computer literacy was not total no like there was a vast majority of the population that would see a Netscape Navigator browser and shit their pants you know, like it was out of control. Yeah,

Dan (01:22:04.000)

that's a bummer. But typically old cap to Alex for not exploiting that guy. Don't panic, or they're not exploiting

Jordan (01:22:11.000)

he. It's his fault. The email came in the first place. So let's not forget

Dan (01:22:15.000)

that true. Yeah. So we come to the end of our excursion. Hopefully Alex is back in studio. We're recording this on Sunday, maybe Sunday night Monday, who knows? Because I will get back to the present once I'm allowed. It's going to happen. It will take Owen Shroyer episode when you make a promise you do it. But this was interesting. It's fun to learn a little bit about Texas independence. Yeah, West Virginia vaccine.

Jordan (01:22:40.000)

I failed. I appreciated learning about Texas independence. That's one of the things in American history that I don't know too much about. Oh, there's

Dan (01:22:48.000)

so much more to it to

Jordan (01:22:50.000)

the whole Santa Ana thing. Like I know, I know plenty of the ups and downs of Santana's career, but not enough. Not enough.

Dan (01:23:00.000)

Well, you know, if he's not back in studio, maybe he'll complain more about it on the next episode. And we can learn more could be so we'll be back Jordan, but until then, we

Jordan (01:23:08.000)

do we do it sounds trite.com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter is at analogizes graphite.

Dan (01:23:12.000)

Yep, we'll be back but until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo DCX. Clark ski. Big, big, big, big, big. Big, big big. Because my mouse isn't working, dude boop boop.

Alex Jones (01:23:24.000)

Oh, you know what? And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.