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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:58.000)

Hello, everybody. Welcome back knowledge, right. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're Google duplex at round worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh,

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

indeed. We are Dan Jordan. Dan. Jordan, I have a quick question for you, sir. So would you be spot today?

Dan (00:01:11.000)

My bright spot today, Jordan is today just earlier on this very day. The moon has not come back up. Wait, the sun. Okay, all right. Since I had to this afternoon, I had a opportunity to speak to some students at Colgate University wonderful. went and had a nice little symposium with with them. The it was a it was a lot of fun. It's it was a treat to to have the privilege of speaking to the young. And you know it. Don't laugh at me.

Jordan (00:01:43.000)

Sorry. I'm sorry. You just said to privilege of speaking to the young. It is nice, though. I know. I said I had to

Dan (00:01:50.000)

be able to share some information that I had. And then also kind of get a sense of some of the things that they are thinking about some of the people who are studying things in these political sciency fields. Yeah, um, they had a lot of pretty insightful questions. It was it was an interesting time. And thank the professor before inviting me it was a delight. Thank those students. That's great. Thank you all that's good. No delightful time. Yeah, I always enjoy that.

Jordan (00:02:13.000)

Is it against the rules to make any toothpaste jokes whatsoever? Do like, like do they like pounce upon them like Panthers? I'm not sure. I

Dan (00:02:21.000)

mean, I assume that it's a little hacky.

Jordan (00:02:23.000)

I mean, obviously, it's a little hacky. But that's why you do it in the belly of the beast. It's a little

Dan (00:02:27.000)

Blackie. Yeah, don't hold it in.

Jordan (00:02:38.000)

Listen, you got that one. I'll give you five bonus points for that.

Dan (00:02:41.000)

You're straining try very hard. Brutal. I didn't try and crack any toothpaste joke. I was trying to think of something that would be clever. And I just kind of gave up on

Jordan (00:02:54.000)

it. Yeah, there's no way to I'm sure it's already been done.

Dan (00:02:57.000)

I think so by comedic minds the night. Yeah. I mean, Blackie that's about as good as it gets. Yeah. And I wouldn't have worked if it had not been set up. Absolutely. So what's your bright spot?

Jordan (00:03:09.000)

My bright spot DNase. From from the mailbag. Zip. We received from Brandon H. These two custom made Pez dispensers, featuring the dastardly and disgusting head of Alex Jones

Dan (00:03:26.000)

is neck is appropriately thick. Oh, it's very large, thicker than most Pez dispensers that I've ever seen. Yeah, it's,

Jordan (00:03:32.000)

it's almost the same size as this giant bulbous head, which I think is accurate. Yeah,

Dan (00:03:37.000)

I'll post a picture of this on Twitter for folks to enjoy. Yeah, comes along with a wizard hat.

Jordan (00:03:42.000)

And what's what's I mean, brightspot. Of course, these are these are amazing and beautiful. Another added brightspot On top of that, is that this person sent a tracking number. So I didn't get an alert. On this one. I didn't know that anything was in there until they sent a tracking number. Then I went there, and I asked them if we had anything and they were like, No, we don't have anything for you in the system. And I was like, Ah, excuse me, my dear shook you exactly. Pull out the tracking number. And they were like, Oh, we put it in the wrong thing. I was like, Haha, I'm

Dan (00:04:15.000)

trying to hide our shit. Totally. So this was a victory for truth for all parties justice.

Jordan (00:04:21.000)

And I wouldn't as an American white knight, so it was it's a bright spot for

Dan (00:04:28.000)

sure. Amen. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over indeed. And know that a little bit of stuff juggling. So I decided I'm gonna go back to 2004 were spending some time with 2004 and holy shit. Did I strike pay dirt? February 10 2004. All right, a day that will live in infamy. Okay. Not really all right, but there is something pretty fucking amazing episode. All right, I'm in so we'll get down to business on that. Lest I tease it way more. But before we do take the Isn't this into our own hands with this episode? Let's say hello. Okay, so first cruel and unusual punishment. Thank you so much you're in our policy won't.

Alex Jones (00:05:10.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:05:11.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:05:11.000)

Thank you so much. Next Daddy shark. Bah bah, bah, bah. Thank you so much. You're now Posey Wong. I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:05:17.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:05:18.000)

There were only four bas

Jordan (00:05:19.000)

Hey, you get what you get

Dan (00:05:21.000)

up next. Congratulations, Professor Brazel. We're so happy for you. Thank you so much. You are now palsy Wong.

Alex Jones (00:05:27.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:05:28.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:05:29.000)

Next Kim, disciple of the fifth way to learn bingeing knowledge right episode. Thank you so much. You're on our policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:05:35.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Dan (00:05:37.000)

And we got a tax credit in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to all caps with an exclamation point at the end. Brett alert. You are now a technocrat.

Alex Jones (00:05:45.000)

I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow. Actually. It's gonna take a little break now. A little breaky for me. And then we're going to come back. And I'm going to start to show over, but I'm the fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, Fuck you and your new world order. And fuck the horse she wrote in on and all your shit. Maybe today's broadcast? Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow. And you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow.

Dan (00:06:40.000)

No, he will not. You'll never be though he shan't be But the past is kind of fun. Yeah. This episode is in that genre that I love. So there's my favorite thing, of course is a movie review. sure if I can ever find a movie review I'm tickled pink right? However, there's a second thing that I love. That's not Hatcher throwing No, right. That's more present day. But of course, I'm ambition. I love greed. I like to see ambition, and it usually comes out in this form.

Alex Jones (00:07:14.000)

Welcome my friends to another live edition of the Alex Jones Show. I'm Alex Jones, your host. You are not gonna want to miss this broadcast. We have a top level neocon, a communist, a liberal, a big government promoter in sheep's clothing. Joining us in conservative clothing schedule, but I'm not gonna say who's coming on. So because if we do that, sometimes they don't show up.

Dan (00:07:45.000)

That's exactly what he said at the Ann Coulter interview. Right, right. I honestly think he wants them to quit or cancel. Yeah, trying to get them to make them look all cowardly and shit. Exactly. Yeah, trying to lure them into a position where they can't even stand up to me, so I insulting them quite a bit. Now granted, he has guests in 2004 who are of the caliber of busyness. Sure, they are not probably listening to the beginning of his show. So it doesn't really work. And I was like, Okay, so the last time he did this, it was Ann Coulter and it went horribly. Yeah. I was like, This is gonna be exciting. Who is this? I mean, who does he have on? Yeah, I mean, Karl Rove

Jordan (00:08:25.000)

i Who are the whips who are those? Who are those people who talked on the dumb shows the you know, the there's the bald guy who's from New Orleans. He's a political operator. Phil. Yeah. KJ is a Carville and and the other person who they argue back and forth with Oh, Hannity

Dan (00:08:41.000)

and Colmes. Is it Hannity or combs? No. Okay. And it's, but it was somebody that I was shocked. Okay, was there alright? When I saw this, I was like, Holy shit, all right now, because I think that they're a celebrity or cool or anything like that, but they're a big name. And there are things Alex should be asking this person about that he does not. Oh, no. But we'll get to that here. All right. It's very exciting. All right. So we've got that. And that's like I said, my favorite thing is when Alex has an idea that he's going to humiliate a guest Sure. And it doesn't work. No,

Jordan (00:09:16.000)

the best. The best is whenever he believes that he can win an argument so hard. That person must must slink away like, Listen, I don't even want to be on the show anymore. You've defeated me so soundly. Yeah, that I must. I must give my congratulations.

Dan (00:09:33.000)

Icarus level of hubris. Holy, he is. He's manifest. 100% It's just you can tell it's not going to work. It's so great. The Bill Ayers kind of thing. It's just it's no no. Screwed, Alex. Yeah. It's not smart. No, but so good. So you have that going, and then in this lead up to the 2004 election, obviously, you have Kerry and Bush share both skull and bone. Yep. So they're just const In Scotland bones talk right.

Alex Jones (00:10:01.000)

In the next segment, I'm going to play the two clips of George W. Bush on Meet the Press talking about Skull and Bones and how it's so secret. He can't talk about it. And John F. Kerry a few months ago on Meet the Press with Tim CEFR Russert. And by the way, we have these video clips up yesterday linked to some other websites, but they couldn't handle the bandwidth as soon as we linked to them. We crashed their servers. And so we've grabbed the clips and put them up ourselves@infowars.com.

Dan (00:10:34.000)

I don't think I believe that part. But I find it strange that he insists on calling him John F. Kerry. Yeah, but maybe it's mirroring George W. Bush or something. I don't know. John F. Kerry also is the JFK. Yeah, there's just there's a lot of weirdness to it. But he does call him that quite a bit.

Jordan (00:10:51.000)

It's an affectation that I feel like doesn't mean as much as maybe he thinks it does. Or is it just a tick, you know, just like once you start doing something annoying, you just keep on doing it for fun.

Dan (00:11:00.000)

It could be anything just might be being dramatic. So look, this cast that's coming on big old neocon. Haha.

Alex Jones (00:11:09.000)

All right, we've got loaded phones, and I haven't even given the phone number route, and we'll get to you but you're gonna have to hold a while because we got a chief neocon coming on here in a few minutes. But you'll get a chance to talk to him. So I guess you can bring up stolen bones to him. Oh my god.

Dan (00:11:23.000)

So Scotland bones. Oh, you got to talk about Dan,

Jordan (00:11:25.000)

you are a fucking tease. You are teasing this those two

Dan (00:11:29.000)

clips that Alex has a carry and bush right there just hit them answering questions glibly, like, Hey, you were part of a secret society can talk about it. It's yeah, hi. And Alex is like they are the demonic part of the Satan worshipping organization. Right, buddy, whatever.

Jordan (00:11:47.000)

I mean, what would that be? Whatever that'd be. That would be almost a quadruple bluff at that point. Right for for Kerry, to for Bush and Kerry to actually be in a secret satanic organization. Yeah, we would have to be through four levels of bluff and counter bluff. Right in order for that to work.

Dan (00:12:04.000)

Yeah. And like if if this was as nefarious as someone like Alex wants to believe I find it difficult to imagine the questioning of it. You'd be like, glibly joke. I mean, yeah, you know,

Jordan (00:12:15.000)

I'd be here on fucking TV. Yeah,

Dan (00:12:17.000)

yeah. And, you know, Bush is someone who's known for his gaffes. And

Jordan (00:12:21.000)

somebody would break at least a little bit, sooner or later, but

Dan (00:12:25.000)

nothing, nothing. Nothing. Also, this guest has nothing to do with

Jordan (00:12:31.000)

you. Why are we asking them about Scotland boats?

Dan (00:12:33.000)

I am not even positive. I know. They didn't go to Ivy League school. Sure. And I'm not positive. They even got a bachelor's. Except through the military. Okay, is

Jordan (00:12:43.000)

it David Petraeus?

Dan (00:12:45.000)

It is not okay. However, you're not far off. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:12:49.000)

Monday through Friday from 11am until 2pm. central standard time back from nine to midnight. I'm Alex Jones. Websites are info wars.com and prison planet.com. We're joined by Oliver North. And he's written it's already on the bestseller list one more time. For sure. What's what's show on Fox News. What's up, Mr. North? It's good to have you on the show. Alex. It's a pleasure. Thank

Dan (00:13:13.000)

you. Yep. All the North

Jordan (00:13:15.000)

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. So 2004 Yep. Alex Jones and Infowars Oliver North pleasure to talk to you Alex has

Dan (00:13:28.000)

no idea who he is no clue. And like none whatsoever is out throughout. There's no I believe

Jordan (00:13:33.000)

I believe it.

Dan (00:13:35.000)

Oliver North guy mixed up in the Iran Contra affair. See,

Jordan (00:13:38.000)

this is the thing I don't understand. I've anytime I've ever done anything. Anytime I've ever done a guest spot. I've done at least a little bit of research. I've listened to like 15 minutes of their show, at least just to get a vibe of how they talk. You know, I'm not like going back to back catalogs or something. But I know who I know what they sound like when I go into it. I know. I understand.

Dan (00:13:57.000)

And I think that's a good practice, generally. But if you're somebody like Oliver North, who's a major figure, and you're on Fox News, you have a show there and you just have a book that you've you're on a book tour, you aren't going to be able to screen every single interview that your agent brings to you you know, and

Jordan (00:14:17.000)

what we're really saying is I'm not busy No,

Dan (00:14:19.000)

ultimately to the goal is he's trying to sell his book, which is about the soldiers. Profiles and current Yeah. And so yeah, he's on with Alex and I think if you ever get the chance to talk to Oliver North, probably Iran Contra is one of the things you're going to talk about I

Jordan (00:14:39.000)

here's what I would do. Yeah, I would say How's it feel to do all the war crimes and shit? Does that feel good or bad? Or do you not care? You fucking psychopath you choose?

Dan (00:14:49.000)

Even if you're Alex Jones, then maybe your angle on it would be like, out of the globalists relate to Iran. Yeah. You could find a way in doesn't it? It's not asked him about it.

Jordan (00:15:00.000)

I forgot he had a show on Fox News. Yeah. Also,

Dan (00:15:05.000)

I don't know if Alex knows Larry Nichols at this point. Yeah. Who was mixed up in? True Alex. So like that would have been an interesting little parallel. But yeah, it doesn't come

Jordan (00:15:16.000)

up. That's not cool.

Dan (00:15:18.000)

Alex uncool, Alex kind of sasses him on it as they're hanging up. Sure. But it's not even that funny or dishy or insulting. That's disappointing. Yeah. And so I don't know. So when he talked to Ann Coulter, obviously the goal was confrontation, but he pretended to be nice to her jet for a fair amount of that interview until it became unsalvageable. Right? With all over North, he is confrontational straight out of the gate with

Jordan (00:15:45.000)

that. Sure, yeah,

Alex Jones (00:15:47.000)

you need no introduction, you've got a national TV show. radio program. I'm gonna be honest with you right here from the outset, I'm not going to sit here on the show and sneak attack you. I'm angry about the open borders. I'm angry about the Patriot Act. I've read it. I'm angry about arming North Korea, I'm angry at Clinton, I'm angry at Bush, I'm angry at everything that's happened in this country. Let me just finish. I'm no fan of Saddam Hussein. But there's this disconnect of who armed Saddam who, who was in bed with Saddam, we've seen all this happen. I certainly support the troops. But and you've been over there for, you know, months and months and months in the last year or so. And I certainly appreciate you that on the ground coverage. But I mean, come on. Where are you? Where

Oliver North (00:16:37.000)

do you want me to start? Let's start with the rack and work our way around the globe.

Dan (00:16:43.000)

To be fair, all over North as a guest makes a pretty decent rebuttal. What do you want to talk about?

Jordan (00:16:50.000)

You start your this is your show? Yeah.

Dan (00:16:54.000)

I guess you've clarified that you're angry at everybody. Yeah, but you didn't ask me a question. Yeah.

Jordan (00:17:00.000)

Alex, so the opening of this interview, I believe begins with you saying that I am mad at everyone and then throwing it to me. Ah, cool. All right. So so so why to what end? To what end? Shouldn't be thrown to me after this? I hate everybody speech. Ah, did you want me to just be like me to Alex, let's fucking ride.

Dan (00:17:22.000)

It's an interesting dynamic. Where in Alex can make Oliver North seem decent? Yeah, you know, and he does come off quite well, because Alex is so bad at this.

Jordan (00:17:32.000)

I'm I'm amazed at our ability. I'm amazed at our ability as a country to be like, well, this person lied on a grand scale. We can trust him going forward.

Dan (00:17:43.000)

Right. Wow, he did. Penance?

Jordan (00:17:48.000)

I don't know. I don't think so.

Dan (00:17:49.000)

Maybe? Depends on how you define it. So anyway, Alex is like, Hey, man, Rumsfeld. Yeah, he has all these plans. He's a bad dude. You invade all these country horse. And then North has a shockingly good answer.

Alex Jones (00:18:04.000)

I'm tired of hearing from people saying you're against the troops or you're not a conservative. If you're not all out for this war. I'm concerned because they want to go into Syria, Iran, all these new countries. Do you support that?

Oliver North (00:18:15.000)

Well, first of all, I've seen absolutely no evidence that anybody wants to go into any of those. I mean, there may be people talking about it outside the government. But I've heard nobody inside this administration. Surely no one at the Pentagon and nobody had central command. Talking about going into Syria or Iran.

Alex Jones (00:18:31.000)

I mean, there's been Oliver, Sir, there's been a skirmishes going on with Syria. Rumsfeld's put out three plans to go ahead and invade Syria.

Oliver North (00:18:42.000)

What No, wait, wait a second. We've got war plans to invade Antarctica. I mean, we've had those on the books since World War Two. And you're constantly updating we

Alex Jones (00:18:52.000)

waste your money here. Government Act documents written by Dick Cheney and 2000 rebuilding America's defenses. Have you read that Enoch, Doc? Yeah,

Oliver North (00:18:59.000)

I mean, I've read the classified as well as the unclassified versions of these things. I mean, one of the things that we've got to be aware of here in this country is that to defend this nation against our adversaries, we've got to be literally prepared to go anywhere.

Dan (00:19:14.000)

So now, I am not super in favor of the government, as you put it wasting our money. But what he brings up is the dynamic that is real is the preparedness, you know, there is a plan, in case, you know, right, you need to as as Oliver North puts it, at one point, it's like, yes, we have these plans for literally everywhere. Yeah, we don't want the plan to be in New York. Right. You know, and like it fair enough. But like, that is the game that Alex plays. Yeah, there's this plan of how you would invade Syria. Sure. Sure. There's a plan of how we would invade Antarctica. Yeah. There's no rebuttal to that for

Alex Jones (00:19:56.000)

Alex. Yeah,

Jordan (00:19:57.000)

I mean, other than like, oh, But that's bad. That's a real bad idea. Maybe if we have plans to invade places, we should probably be thinking of different plans.

Dan (00:20:08.000)

Do you think that a lot of other countries don't have contingency plans?

Jordan (00:20:12.000)

I mean, not for invading the United States. How many countries have a plan for invading the United States of America is now my new question. Mike

Dan (00:20:21.000)

Adams will tell you that China has it and it's halfway. I mean, I here's

Jordan (00:20:24.000)

the thing. I just don't see how a good plan could be done for either invading the United States or invading Antarctica, it would be a bad idea.

Dan (00:20:33.000)

I don't I don't disagree. Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe Most countries don't have elaborate plans on how they might go about invading a ton of countries.

Jordan (00:20:41.000)

I would say, I would say, here's, here's what it is. It is something that makes everybody feel more comfortable. Yeah, make it feel like oh, well, we have control over this uncontrollable unforeseeable situation. It's all protect.

Dan (00:20:55.000)

Yeah, I think there's an element of that that is a like psychosomatic effect that you can have from the other element to is that maybe it is even like a little bit of a, like, subtle threat? Yeah, I

Jordan (00:21:10.000)

would say so too.

Dan (00:21:11.000)

And maybe on that level, it's not good. Like I said, I'm not supporting that state of affairs. Sure. But that answer to Alex's question leads him to a dead end, except for your rebuttal. Which is maybe it's bad that we have those plans. Yeah. But that's a conversation. I don't think Alex necessarily really can handle No, especially not with Oliver North. No, I

Jordan (00:21:30.000)

think the obvious rebuttal to that is more like, Are you saying that? If this? Did you pay attention to the original invasion? Did you pay attention to how that started? Are you saying that that was the plan we had in place in advance? Are you saying that our plan was to fuck up so unbelievably badly, that we're gonna be here for the next 20 fucking years? That was the plan. You might

Dan (00:21:52.000)

be a quicker thinker than Alex,

Jordan (00:21:54.000)

I might be ahead of that. I might be ahead of that game could have worked. Yeah.

Dan (00:21:57.000)

But he doesn't know doesn't go with that said he shifts the conversation over to Rex 84. Yep, that sounds by the plan now to put everyone in concentration camps in America that plan. And it's, of course, not that but Oliver North is connected with that plan. And so Alex brings that up and North shuts him down again,

Alex Jones (00:22:16.000)

Colonel north. We have a clip in one of my videos where you're before the Congress. And Congressman Jack Brooks brings up the plans that have been published nine copies of them for concentration camps.

Oliver North (00:22:35.000)

Alex, that's just not fair to your audience. First of all, there was never a plan anywhere in my government. Certainly not the administration, I worked for concentration camps for anybody. Why would I believe Brooks had a political agenda. His agenda was to remove Ronald Reagan from office. He raised that issue. And you may remember if you play the full clip of that hearing, I sat there stunned that the continuity of government plan to preserve a constitutional republic. That's what that plan was all about. We spent $16 billion in 1981, from 1983. Trying to make sure that the country could never be decapitated. And it would never, ever be in the hands of someone other than Mr. Alex, I let you finish. You're gonna let me finish. You will, Colonel, I

Alex Jones (00:23:24.000)

have all the mainstream news articles, Newsmax I'm sure you've heard of them, where they found out about the current plan to build.

Oliver North (00:23:34.000)

Alex, Alex, let's just finish one time. Time before we

Dan (00:23:39.000)

are here. Yeah, like, what about this evil plan? We have a clip of you like it is continuity of government. Right. So like, What are you talking about it? Reagan wasn't trying to put people in camps. Right, right.

Jordan (00:23:51.000)

I mean, but that's where we get back to my problem with the United States and how we do things and maybe just people in general. I can never trust you again, Oliver. That's how that

Dan (00:24:02.000)

works. Well, that is an unfortunate reality.

Jordan (00:24:05.000)

How is it that he still had a TV show and shit like that? Well,

Dan (00:24:08.000)

it is objectively strange that there are two people talking and neither of them are in any way. But

Jordan (00:24:16.000)

I cannot believe a single word either of these men is saying to each other.

Dan (00:24:20.000)

Yeah. I think that in terms of the subjects that Alex is bringing up and the way that Oliver North is talking about them. North stuff is way more connected to reality. Totally. And so I am everything that I've learned from my digging into things. Sure. I am so not so much trusting him, but recognizing that he is closer to not full of shit. Yeah, yeah, no, I

Jordan (00:24:46.000)

agree.

Dan (00:24:47.000)

I believe it's just a challenge. I get it.

Jordan (00:24:49.000)

I believe that Oliver North is correct when he said that Reagan did not have concentration camp plants. All right. I believe that however, I cannot believe Oliver Northwind he just says that I'm gonna need to talk to other people.

Dan (00:25:03.000)

And now what's interesting about that is that dynamic is real. And Alex can't handle an interview with someone who's so impeachable. Yeah, you know, he gets so thoroughly impeachable. He still drops the ball.

Jordan (00:25:17.000)

Yeah. Studies bananas. This is the most easy. Let's slam dunk layup thing that you could possibly get. Especially if you're Alex. Yeah, this motherfucker is part of an illegal conspiracy. He is a literal conspiracy person.

Dan (00:25:32.000)

Yeah. And Alex somehow tricked him into coming on the show.

Jordan (00:25:37.000)

Oh, my God. He's right there and Alex

Dan (00:25:39.000)

can't do it. He's going to talk about Reagan.

Jordan (00:25:42.000)

RX 84.

Dan (00:25:43.000)

Yeah, damn, and then Oliver North School.

Alex Jones (00:25:45.000)

Okay, well, look, I mean, I appreciate you coming on. And,

Oliver North (00:25:49.000)

Alex, certainly it's not fair to your audience that make these kinds of claims their claims doesn't bother it doesn't bother me or not. I mean, I've seen the New York Times speeches about me and in the liberal press and what they've said about me it doesn't doesn't bother me at all for you to mislead the audience say Ronald Reagan intended to put people into concentration camps in outrage.

Alex Jones (00:26:09.000)

Let me stop you right there.

Jordan (00:26:13.000)

It's an outrage. Let me stop you right there. I'm gonna make a matter. I'm gonna I'm gonna change subjects real quick and call you probably a liar in some fashion.

Dan (00:26:20.000)

Let me pivot and see if I can confusion. Exactly. But I do enjoy that. scolding him as this is not fair to your audience. Yeah, because it's not.

Jordan (00:26:29.000)

I appreciate that. I appreciate that. He's obsessed with being like, Hey, listen, you're lying to your audience the wrong way. I work for Fox News.

Dan (00:26:37.000)

So Alex started to rebut the rebuttal to the Reagan concentration camp right. And here's how that goes. You can tell if you pay me not even that close attention until towards the end of this that Oliver North is starting to get annoyed

Oliver North (00:26:51.000)

for you to mislead the audience say Ronald Reagan intended to put people into concentration camps an outrage.

Alex Jones (00:26:56.000)

Hey, let me stop you right there. Colonel north because what you just did is an outrage. Okay. Hold on a second. Say Ronald Reagan wanted to put people to concentrate, Ronald Reagan. Finish, let me finish. I said that those plans have now been released. And the old plans been integrated with new plans. And I've got Denver Post Associated Press Washington Times the liberal conservative, admitting Newsmax got the purchase orders for three, 1 million man camps. Okay, this is last year, it's all posted at prison planet.com in the civilian inmate labor camp program, I have the army document. They're already using prisoners to expand these. And so, you know, you've been out of the country, you know, in Iraq and all this what I'm telling you is, I'm not bringing up you know, smokey conspiracy theories. Alex,

Oliver North (00:27:48.000)

I recommend you get out there and start campaigning for John Kerry right now.

Alex Jones (00:27:52.000)

I mean, that's what you gotta do, buddy. Oh, another skull and bones member? Well, I

Oliver North (00:27:56.000)

mean, he's John Kerry's the guy wants to take apart our military. And obviously you're afraid of our military and the freight of our goal

Alex Jones (00:28:01.000)

that hey, you know that Senator Bush and Cheney and all of them. Should they want to get rid of Posse Comitatus? No, I've not heard. I've read on tape chain there. They want to get rid of it. So on Fox News, are you for getting rid of Posse Comitatus? No, sir, certainly, you know, that in the late 80s. They already had Marine Corps officers dressed up police uniforms, doing drug and gun raids in Norfolk, Virginia.

Oliver North (00:28:28.000)

Oh, Alex, good, Lord, help me.

Jordan (00:28:34.000)

Good lord. Good lord. Good Lord. Help me. I like that. That's a genuine that's a real and I think reasonable response to Infowars. Yeah, Lord, help me. Yeah, I would accept that from anyone regardless of where they're from.

Dan (00:28:48.000)

It's so weird, though, that it's coming out of Oliver North.

Jordan (00:28:52.000)

I mean, I think it's so funny to me that he's exasperated with Alex's bullshit. And then he's like, now John Kerry's trying to dismantle the entire military. Right? Your propaganda is only slightly different, right? That's not a good enough difference.

Dan (00:29:08.000)

No, I think the good enough difference, or at least the like, sort of three, the way they would put the difference, maybe is that that propaganda is like, right in the wheelhouse of electoral politics smears. Sure. It's in that sweet spot of stuff you expect from the left and the right Thomas Jefferson now, yeah,

Jordan (00:29:26.000)

the whole thing. We've

Dan (00:29:27.000)

all been there. Yeah, there's a there's a deep tradition to that. Whereas, like, the stuff that Alex is coming up with is a little bit like, Alright, you're out there, man. This is nonsense. You know, here's what I will say. It is exasperating to deal with nonsense. It's not as exasperating to just deal with regular Esmee regular

Jordan (00:29:45.000)

as bullshit right? Here's what here's what I think though, what I'm what I'm putting together I feel like is when we talk about how Fox News and that stuff has moved closer to Infowars. Right now, what we don't talk about is that, like when you watch this, when I listen to this interview, I see two incredibly trustworthy people both with massive audiences untrustworthy, I mean, yeah, incredibly untrustworthy. Apologies. misspoke, both with massive audiences and as time has gone on, they've both come closer together. Yeah. You know, Alex's move towards electoral politics and Oliver North's bullshit has moved exactly towards Alex, you

Dan (00:30:25.000)

know and consider to how like, at this point, Oliver North is on the board of the NRA. And Alex thinks the NRA is a gun grab organization, you know, and now he's fine with the NRA, and they're far more extreme and Kid Rock is on the board.

Jordan (00:30:38.000)

That's right. Because why not? Because why not?

Dan (00:30:44.000)

We live in fantasy both. Yeah. Yeah.

Jordan (00:30:48.000)

And I mean, I think there is that feedback loop. And part of it comes from the lack of truth, really from both of them, you know? Yeah, they're Grifs aren't that different? So why not come closer together?

Dan (00:30:59.000)

I think their gifts are different substantially, but not in ways maybe that are that meaningful to them? Yes. But here's something that I was thinking about. Sure. There's like, some of the only times that we hear people like pushing on Alex from a place that's rooted in reality, are people like Ann Coulter? Totally, and Oliver North, of course. And I thought that was weird. But then I was like, Well, yeah, people who are on the left and stuff are probably never going to be on the show. But Oliver North and Ann Coulter are the only types of people who are like, close enough ideologically. They're famous, so they'll get tricked into coming on right. And maybe don't have to worry about Alex's shit, right? You know, like, because some rather smaller person who's in like a conservative space might need to like worry about what they could get out of this. Right. Whereas Coulter and Oliver North, they're made, they don't need they don't need to worry about this.

Jordan (00:32:00.000)

I mean, and that I need to worry about rebooking. No, of course not. And I think that comes down to what we talked about, like he's not above the right left paradigm at all. He can talk to these people because they're essentially on the same team. We have differences within that same team, somebody on the left, if they do that, if they do that kind of pushback that you're getting from Ann Coulter all over North, he's just gonna yell over them and you're gonna realize you're gonna be like, this is a waste of time for everybody. Yeah, so I'm done here. You know, it's gonna take like three

Dan (00:32:30.000)

or four aggressive moments before he calls Oliver North Akami. Exactly. That's coming immediately. Right out the gate for you fucking commie

Jordan (00:32:39.000)

is how it starts. Yeah.

Dan (00:32:41.000)

So Oliver North's getting a little bit annoyed. He has this to say to Alex,

Alex Jones (00:32:46.000)

you're sitting here trying to imply I'm for John Kerry.

Oliver North (00:32:51.000)

I didn't say you were for John. Get behind it.

Alex Jones (00:32:54.000)

I'm saying it doesn't matter. You got two people who are related to each other. So what are you gonna do overthrow the government? This was you know what my declaration of independence and becomes destructive of the Bill of Rights, it is my job to replace it, and I want our country back.

Oliver North (00:33:11.000)

Then I recommend you do it with ballots instead of bullets. Alex Diebold systems

Alex Jones (00:33:15.000)

are doing quite 1000s of articles and many with their own engineers saying that it's a scam.

Oliver North (00:33:22.000)

Okay, so So you don't want to do with balance? How do you want to do it?

Alex Jones (00:33:26.000)

I'm gonna try to do it by educating people. And of course, I do a

Oliver North (00:33:29.000)

lot. I mean, just sit there and listen to you or you do some Yes. Sit there, listen to doing something. No, no, I'm asking what you want the people to do. I mean, I'm kind of curious about

Alex Jones (00:33:38.000)

this. I want them to want to do it with book ballots. I wanted to become Leary leery of big government, the government's grown by 45%. Colonel north in the last three years.

Oliver North (00:33:50.000)

Well, then I recommend you get guys on your show that will talk and support this kind of stuff. All I did was write a book about how brave American soldiers, sailors and marines are, and you call me up to blast me about the government.

Jordan (00:34:05.000)

That's fair. Yeah. That's fair stuff

Dan (00:34:06.000)

to argue that you want a book tour? Yes. Yep. Yep. I have no influence on the size of the government to talk about. Yeah, but there's an interesting perceptiveness that Oliver North has there that like you could do it with ballots or bullets you want to overthrow the government while these ballot systems don't work overnight, it's gotta be thinking like alright, so you do want to do with bullets. Right? Right. Right. Right. It's it's just that that moment to have the what do you want to do just want people to sit here and listen to you? Yeah, it's that's perceptive. Yeah, that's so right on. It's like, yes, that is what Alex wants. Yeah,

Jordan (00:34:42.000)

it should have there should have been like a little light bulb that went off and above Alex's head, which is like, that's the best outcome for me.

Dan (00:34:49.000)

I've been seen. Yeah, exactly. Finally, someone has seen my dream and shares it with me. Yeah. Mike down for this because this clip is really funny.

Oliver North (00:34:59.000)

Alex You got it. You're obviously very angry.

Alex Jones (00:35:02.000)

And I am angry. We're losing our country. Well,

Oliver North (00:35:05.000)

well, I'll tell you what, I'm glad we still got youngsters willing to defend it.

Alex Jones (00:35:09.000)

Oh youngsters, you know, I'm a youngster, huh? No, I'm

Oliver North (00:35:12.000)

talking about youngsters. That was the 19 and a half year olds that I was just covering.

Alex Jones (00:35:17.000)

And let's, let's take a few calls. Let's talk to Jerry in Wisconsin. Jerry, go ahead. You're on here.

Caller 1 (801) (00:35:21.000)

Yeah. How's it going? Now? I go ahead. I was wondering, does that guy you're talking to Z listen to any or videos or

Alex Jones (00:35:28.000)

what? No, I don't think all over North shaming in my videos. It kind of

Caller 1 (801) (00:35:32.000)

sounds that way. He needs to blow up some of the cobwebs out of his ears or so.

Dan (00:35:39.000)

polarity. Yeah, I

Jordan (00:35:40.000)

don't even know how to deal with quite that's too much.

Dan (00:35:43.000)

I love Alex thinking that he's calling him a youngster who's ready to fight?

Jordan (00:35:48.000)

Totally. Yep. Not talking

Dan (00:35:50.000)

about you, buddy. Talking about the troops talking about the troops da. This caller is like, I don't know who this guy is. But he's,

Jordan (00:35:57.000)

I don't

Dan (00:35:58.000)

know. This, all of her North character needs to watch endgame and wake up.

Jordan (00:36:02.000)

Here's, here's what just happened. We justified our show entirely. With that, because that clip needed to be heard. And up until this point. Up until this point, you had to have been listening on February 4 2004. February 10 2004. Yeah, in order to hear this,

Dan (00:36:19.000)

we will see I'm like, you know, I used to watch when I was a kid. The documentaries and videos of DJs talking about how they'd go to record stores and dig in the crates. And that's what I'm doing. 100%

Jordan (00:36:30.000)

while you're doing it in the crate digging, guys, Jim, how many remixes have we got already? We've got crate diggers. This is

Dan (00:36:39.000)

this is what it's about finding these moments where a color is like who's this young whippersnapper all over North. Think about how the government works or how clandestine operations go.

Jordan (00:36:48.000)

I just don't know if it gets better than that. Because you know on Twitter, sure, people have always been that stupid. Yeah, you know, they love being like, Oh, I'm going to correct to this doctor of the thing that they're talking about. But that's on Twitter that's over typing. That's fast flicked off bullshit. This man had to call

Dan (00:37:07.000)

this caller seems to not know who Oliver North had no idea. It was amazing. Yep. And then also this is before he made endgame for somebody like the documentaries that he's suggesting he watched our our watchable hoof. Yeah. So there's other things that need to come up. Sure. Oklahoma City bombing naturally. What do you know about that? I

Jordan (00:37:26.000)

don't know why we're talking to Oliver North about that. Neither does Oliver North. That's right.

Alex Jones (00:37:31.000)

Colonel north. Ben Parton said he worked on one of your campaigns. You stayed at his house, general Benton Park and former head of Air Force weapons development. He says there were bombs inside the building. And obviously government elements were involved. You said during the break that you were aware of his his report? Do you have any comments to it?

Oliver North (00:37:53.000)

Well, I don't know what I'd report. I mean, what do you want me to add to it? Oh, I mean, you think a truck bomb did that? Well, there's no doubt that Timothy McVeigh drove a truck truck bomb up there. You don't doubt that to you?

Alex Jones (00:38:07.000)

I got the police on record saying multiple people got out of that vehicle was a government operation for her Clinton. But to answer the question, does a truck bomb blow a building out and pieces of wood on top buildings?

Oliver North (00:38:19.000)

Well, I've seen buildings, you know, blow up all kinds of different ways. And Ben Parton's an old friend of mine, and I'm not about to criticize his analysis of it. But let me just tell you something.

Alex Jones (00:38:28.000)

What do you have the courage to answer the question? Do I have the correct

Unknown Speaker (00:38:32.000)

answer? What question you can't handle the QUESTION

Jordan (00:38:43.000)

All right. Sounds so ridiculous. Yeah, this is I made I just this is just a thing to let wash over you that exists. This exists.

Dan (00:38:52.000)

I felt like we kind of needed a little bit of something that's surreal. After you know, there's Yeah, some downers and some bummer shit going on. So like, something like this. That's like, do you just marvel? Yeah. demanding answers. What do you

Jordan (00:39:08.000)

what do you do? Yeah, no, I mean, it is it is like sometimes what a great reminder of what it is that we started this for. Yeah. And that's finding out that Oliver North is,

Dan (00:39:19.000)

you know, Benton Parton right. So therefore, you answer my question. So, do you think that he has the courage to answer this question?

Jordan (00:39:32.000)

I mean, I suppose the I'm okay. I suppose that he will have the courage to answer. But will he have the courage to answer the way that Alex wants him to? Of course not. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:39:43.000)

Colonel north. Well, do you have the courage to answer the question? Do

Oliver North (00:39:47.000)

I have the courage? To answer what Question Alex, unlike some of

Alex Jones (00:39:53.000)

the what is your what is your expert opinion on it?

Oliver North (00:39:57.000)

I'm not an expert on buildings blowing up. infantry officer.

Alex Jones (00:40:02.000)

You don't know anything about explosions? Well, I've

Oliver North (00:40:05.000)

certainly caused a lot of them to happen.

Jordan (00:40:11.000)

What do you think his answers are going to be as an expert in demolition? If you're Alex, what do you think is the like best case outcome for this?

Dan (00:40:20.000)

I don't know. I think he's trying to make him mad or something and make him make him run away. If that's the case, then why doesn't he start fucking with him? But Ron contract isn't like that color. Alex does know who he is. Yeah. But yeah, that's that's what maybe it's a situation where like, Alex is so used to himself and everyone around him faking expertise. Yeah, that he just expects that everyone does that. Yeah.

Jordan (00:40:41.000)

You're not the kind of caliber of grifter I'm used to having on the show. Yeah, you're a different variety. You seem to be above my garbage bullshit. Or uninterested. Yeah, very much on interested. Yes.

Dan (00:40:55.000)

I'm used to dealing with bottom feeder weirdos who have much lower of profile than me. I'm not used to someone who was involved in high capacity with Iran Contra. has been involved in you know, high level.

Jordan (00:41:12.000)

Yeah. Crimes.

Dan (00:41:15.000)

I was gonna say, politics, clandestine operations. Planning. Yeah. Like, he doesn't give a shit notes on Fox News.

Jordan (00:41:26.000)

I got a book. I could not be more. I think Alex should just be like, Hey, sorry, most of the lieutenant colonels I talked to were not actually Lieutenant Colonel.

Dan (00:41:35.000)

And they're not real. No. I do think that there's also something to be said for the fact that like, he doesn't just leave. Yeah, like, because there is. I feel like there's an all like a like, almost academic interest that Obrador has, like, I think he's curious about like, toll on Alex's up to totally like, Are you do you want to take over the government? Is that what you want? Yeah. Who are you in favor of? Yeah. What do you want? Like? Yeah, like, because most people, I assume, who live in the world of reality, have some fairly concrete ideas about what they advocate for what they want, especially somebody who has a second nationally syndicated radio show, you would expect, you'd think they'd have a thought out. This is what I'm about this is, you know, it's an election year. So obviously, Oliver North expects if there is a conservative radio station, they're not going to be anywhere near supporting Kerry. Obviously, they're going to be Bush supporters. Yep. And I think he's confused. And here we are. Yep. Yeah. Yep. So he doesn't, he doesn't get an answer. Oliver North doesn't do the bush carry dilemma.

Jordan (00:42:39.000)

Do you know what I think this reminds me of? This reminds me of the scene in Jackass where they go into all the different ways to hit somebody with a giant hand. You know, like, going on Info Wars at this time period might as well have been getting hit with a giant hand in the face. Like you go down your see your glasses of orange juice fly up in the air, you do the whole thing. And then you're like, that was pretty funny, honestly, that I gotta you gotta give it to me. That was pretty funny.

Dan (00:43:05.000)

I bet all over North didn't leave this and be like, that was pretty funny.

Jordan (00:43:08.000)

That guy was annoying. That's true. That's true.

Dan (00:43:11.000)

So anyway, back to the bush Kerry dilemma. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:43:13.000)

My point is that we've never had a more liberal president than George W. Bush. Sure.

Oliver North (00:43:20.000)

Well, then what are you going to do about it?

Alex Jones (00:43:23.000)

That's a question. That's a good one. What am I going to do? We got a choice between John Kerry and bush.

Oliver North (00:43:31.000)

Yeah, looks like kind of looks that way to me. I mean, I get the prophecy, but it kind of looks like so the nomination is gonna go we got to primary in Virginia today. It looks like it's going to end it to

Alex Jones (00:43:41.000)

Oliver North's war stories. It's got a DVD video with

Jordan (00:43:45.000)

just changing the subject completely.

Dan (00:43:47.000)

It's got to get the plug in before they say goodbye. We got We got nothing. Yeah. No, I don't have any answers or ideas about what I want to do.

Jordan (00:43:56.000)

I'm gonna be honest with you. I do not have the courage to answer that question.

Dan (00:43:59.000)

No. And I think it comes back to what Alex said. And then Oliver North, reiterated Alex is just angry. It is not focused, it is not directed. It's not productive. Don't it is just sort of a performance of anger. And

Jordan (00:44:15.000)

well, I mean, obviously, it's it. Obviously, this is an ether REDcard moment, you know, like, if somebody gives you the choice, if you're Alex Jones, and somebody does give you the perceptive reality of if you are arguing that it cannot be done by non violent means that you are arguing that it must be done by violent means, you know, there's only two options. And at a certain point, there's only two options, you know,

Dan (00:44:40.000)

well, not necessarily in this, Alex. No, no, no, because there are multiple nonviolent ways, and there are probably multiple violent ways.

Jordan (00:44:50.000)

Well, sure, but I mean, the question boils down to

Dan (00:44:52.000)

positive that most of the nonviolent ways don't eventually boil down to that single non vi way of ballots sure, you know, and oh, no Roger. So like, but there are a number of different tendrils that come off of that different ways you can focus your energy that feed towards that nonviolent solution. Sure. So there is one way. But Alex could be focused in like, hey, yeah, I'm not so into bush and Kerry. But here's what I am interested in creating groups in your local area total, volunteering some X, Y or Z thing, and that would have been a satisfactory answer true. Instead, it's just, hey, there's ballots and bullets. Diebold system Yeah, no, I'm just a rejection of the peaceful one is more what you're saying. Right,

Jordan (00:45:43.000)

right. I'm just taking it as read that the peaceful one is off the table in whatever format you I mean, I suppose there is one peaceful form, which is, I do just want them to listen to me. I don't want to actually overthrow the government. I just want people to listen to me and sit there quietly. Yeah.

Dan (00:45:59.000)

I mean, so I don't think anyone wants to admit that. No. So

Jordan (00:46:01.000)

he's got he's trapped in a corner where he literally doesn't have the courage to say either of the answers. That might be true. He doesn't have the courage to answer the question, Dan does not

Dan (00:46:11.000)

he can handle the question and handle the question. So yeah, they end the interview, and it's not all that eventful. But what a moment.

Jordan (00:46:23.000)

Yeah. I mean, I imagine he must have really wanted to get him riled up in some way. Yeah, I

Dan (00:46:29.000)

think so. But he didn't do it. Well, he did not. I don't think I don't think he did much of a character study of the person who was going to be interviewed. And here's, here's what's interesting, too, like, I bet this appearance sold negative books for him. You know, like, there is no upside not to the but he probably didn't know that going in. But as soon as you're in there, you've got to realize like, nobody's buying my book. This guy. This guy is he has him. Like he he's lambasted him from the beginning. Yeah, this is not like, this is not an interview where it's like, we're gonna come out the other end of this and see a spike. Yeah. And also, he's probably got to realize like, whatever negative thing could happen here also doesn't affect me. Yeah, there's no negative consequences. Yeah,

Jordan (00:47:13.000)

this was an event. This is just a thing that's happened. I yeah, I will walk away from this and it will still just be a thing there. There will not be far reaching effects. This is not a butterfly that leads to a tornado.

Dan (00:47:27.000)

I can choose to think about it later. Or no one cares. Yeah. So after, after Oliver North leaves, decides, well, I gotta start rewriting this.

Jordan (00:47:38.000)

Yeah, you gotta get to work

Alex Jones (00:47:39.000)

on that. We just have Oliver Norris on. And I have had probably 20 Different top Neo cons over the years, he was the slickest war hero. I haven't done anything wrong, I don't understand. But when I faced him down with all of the socialism and big government of Bush, he began to falter, didn't know how to respond, because everybody knows it's true. Conservatives, real conservatives are hopping mad about what's happening. That was

Jordan (00:48:10.000)

not my experience of listening. That was about as far away from my experiences could be gotten. Yeah,

Dan (00:48:15.000)

I mean, he did bring up the day. You know, Bush is a big government guy. Yeah. And all this. That's he didn't fold as much as he said, like, I'm a guy who's in the military. And I wrote a book. I don't I didn't come here to talk about the size of government. That's not my it's not my bailiwick.

Jordan (00:48:32.000)

I'm, I've been in the course of warring. I have blown things up, but I was never in like a class that taught about explosions and how they function. Yeah. So I could say like, here's what happens from a distance if you shoot a missile. Here's what it looks like. Yeah, got it. Yeah, that's what I got for you. I got nothing about truck bombs. You may have got the

Dan (00:48:53.000)

wrong guest. Alex might not know, I'm famous. And maybe you wanted to confront a famous person. And congratulations on doing that poorly. But yeah, it's fascinating how the next segment, he has to start rewriting this. I mean, it didn't go well. In an

Jordan (00:49:09.000)

insane way. Yeah. Like, this is not a man who has ever wrestled with failure. Hmm. He just hasn't

Dan (00:49:15.000)

know. Instantly reality changes. Yep. That's fascinating. So they get a call from a veteran. And who knows Oliver North? No. But he does threatened to kill it. Okay.

Oliver North (00:49:27.000)

All over North. You're a criminal. We're gonna hate you. And you better get ready for it. And all you people out there, we're coming for you. And that's the truth.

Jordan (00:49:37.000)

They like ballot boxes. It's gonna go. Well, well,

Alex Jones (00:49:41.000)

I understand. You're You're We're coming for you, Rusty.

Dan (00:49:45.000)

Who? Rusty?

Jordan (00:49:45.000)

His name is Rusty. Yeah. A guy named Rusty is claiming that he's going to hang Oliver North. That's just a regular old thing that happens. They kind

Dan (00:49:54.000)

of make an overdose point someone.

Jordan (00:49:56.000)

Yeah, that is a little bit of a So you're saying you don't want to use the Alibaug certainly

Dan (00:50:00.000)

not. Oh, murder threat. Yeah, Mount man. Also direct murder.

Jordan (00:50:05.000)

Straight up direct murder threat. Those were the days Ha,

Dan (00:50:09.000)

if I were over North and I had just finished this interview and then I'm still maybe like tuning in to see let's

Jordan (00:50:15.000)

just see what he says about the we're gonna hang all right

Dan (00:50:19.000)

all right selling any books

Jordan (00:50:21.000)

I don't think I'm gonna make the Info Wars bestseller list rusty

Dan (00:50:25.000)

off the mailing list so Yeah, Alex, Alex is just now that Oliver North is gone. It's just in salt all the time.

Jordan (00:50:37.000)

Of course, all Lee

Alex Jones (00:50:37.000)

North is gonna have to persevere with you and start to face down the facts. And I was gonna suggest I'd be a part of, you know, sending him two or three of your videos. And I didn't know I didn't get his address. Like getting search sir Oliver North knows all about the New World Order. All over North knows exactly what he's doing. He's making millions of dollars doing it. And it's just sad. Sad that people have done this to our country

Dan (00:51:08.000)

now. So now Oliver North is a willing participant in the New World Order for money. Sure.

Jordan (00:51:15.000)

And I mean, that's not wrong.

Dan (00:51:18.000)

The way Alex is sure. It, agreed he the way he sees it. That's wrong. It's not correct. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, but they could have come up either. In the interview.

Jordan (00:51:28.000)

I just don't even know how to imagine Oliver North sitting across from me without me just being like Iran Contra. Like, I don't even know if I would ask you a question. I would just say that over and Iran Contra, sir.

Dan (00:51:40.000)

How do you like your rice? Rice? What do you like? Call Larry Nichols, buddy? What is it? What does Larry have to say about John?

Jordan (00:51:49.000)

Now that I would that I would listen to Larry Nichols interviewing Oliver North? That I would

Dan (00:51:55.000)

order this interview if Alex sneakily brought Larry Yeah, absolutely. That'd be good.

Jordan (00:52:02.000)

Ali, you know, that's not that's not how it went down. Ali Ali, you know that? We did that.

Dan (00:52:09.000)

So I have one more clip, but I don't think I'm gonna play it. So the Oliver North interviews in the first hour. And then there's some killing time, basically, like what I presented with the like, trying to recontextualize a little bit like, oh, the rubbing ball mom's wounds. Yeah, trying to get back his feeling good about himself after that interview. And then he has an interview with a guy whose child died from suicide, after they got on some meds after they got on some antidepressant. Oh, my God. And the whole rest of the show is a lot of bullshit now about that. And I think it's not good. It's not interesting. It's stuff we've covered before. And I think I still would cover a little bit of it, because there are some points that can be rebutted here and there. And there are some important things to bring up about, you know, the conversation about mental health, and the medication stuff. But the whole time that father is there, and while I disagree with him, I feel very uncomfortable with discussing his appearance on the show, given that it's predicated on the loss of his daughter, and yeah, I don't want to insult him. And also at the same time, I don't want to like be me now I get it, you know? Yeah. It's, it's, it's a mess.

Jordan (00:53:39.000)

Yeah, I mean, what I find what I'm finding interesting, the more I think about it, is those callers immediately after Oliver North 100% Obviously being like, oh, Oliver North didn't know what he was talking about and see your video, you know, and and it's like, how, how did you hear that conversation go? Like, what do you in your mind here that would make you think, Oh, well, I need to call and reinforce that Oliver North is lying about bullshit.

Dan (00:54:10.000)

Like, if only Oliver North had seen the Wikipedia page for false flag? Yeah. Maybe.

Jordan (00:54:16.000)

This read Daria. Yeah,

Dan (00:54:19.000)

yeah, it's strange, but I think it's partially because I mean, I don't know I can't generalize it to all of these colors. But that color. When Oliver North was there who clearly had no idea who he was? Yeah, I think it was these jets. A lot of these people have no idea who he is. Yeah. And don't realize what he's done, what his resume includes how he's been involved in the sort of things Alex talks about all the time to tie in charge of them, in fact, yep. And like with high level conversations, if anybody knows way more than Alex's documentaries would ever be able to capture all of our north is high on that list of such a person Yeah. And so it is kind of comical for them to be like, You need to watch your vision. Yeah.

Jordan (00:55:03.000)

And then and then the idea because this turns the idea of an interview on its head for me like in my head, it's you're the guest is there. And so your job is to make the guests look good no. To attack and then the audience should should evaluate your performance based on how well you did making the guests look good. These people seem to think that Alex's performance is based entirely around how well he yells at somebody else.

Dan (00:55:31.000)

Yeah, well, how poorly? Exactly? Well, but I mean, it's a losing game, because you're Alex has a neocon on right. And if this success outcome is him, making them look bad successfully to the audience, yeah, there is no positive outcome that involves them looking good. Yeah. Because like if they make good points, and Alex says a good that's actually a pretty good point. That's thoughtful. I hadn't considered it that way. His whole idea about them like, Oh, it's just socialist Trotskyites around trying to pretend to be conservative, like all of that vitriol kind of falls apart if he has a relatively decent, or even friendly, thoughtful exchange with a neocon. Yeah, it from the beginning has to go bad. And that's kind of part of what I think is is fascinating about it, because this genre has that built into it. Yeah, but Alex can never pull it off.

Jordan (00:56:31.000)

No, because he's bad at it. Yeah. He's He's astonishingly bad. His

Dan (00:56:35.000)

positions are so poorly thought out. Yeah. He can't even handle all of her north and Ann Coulter. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Jordan (00:56:43.000)

That is sad. Yeah. And he just changes the subject. Yeah. All the time.

Dan (00:56:47.000)

Yeah. Trying to confuse and distract whatever's going right. Yeah,

Jordan (00:56:51.000)

I mean, it is it is funny to see him act like a child. And and to see him be confused. Because he's like, No, acting like a toddler always works. I don't understand how you're going to lower these these Jedi mind tricks where you're not looking at my keys jangle This is very confusing girl north.

Dan (00:57:11.000)

I know that you have to say this about by continuity of government. But have you considered why why? Why why?

Jordan (00:57:17.000)

Ah,

Dan (00:57:18.000)

Mama TT?

Jordan (00:57:19.000)

No, no, you know what, now that I think about it. That's what I learned in war makes a good point.

Dan (00:57:24.000)

So we come to the end of this. And look, I mean, the value of this day is Oliver North showed up and that's surreal as hell Yep. And worth it just for that, I think worth it worth the price of admission.

Jordan (00:57:39.000)

Agreed. Agreed.

Dan (00:57:40.000)

So we'll be back on Monday to another episode in something or other.

Jordan (00:57:45.000)

Oh knows what. It'll be exciting. Who knows what the future holds?

Dan (00:57:49.000)

It's probably just another episode about Alex probably. But until then we have website

Jordan (00:57:53.000)

and did we do it's knowledge fight.com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter is that analogy?

Dan (00:57:57.000)

Right? Not on blue sky though. Everybody talking about blue sky? I'm not on it.

Jordan (00:58:01.000)

I'm getting off everything. I don't even read fucking The Guardian anymore.

Dan (00:58:05.000)

I run to the hills. I'm done. All right. Yeah, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neil. I'm Leo DCX. CARC. Speedy DP Oh, you know what? And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy In Kansas (00:58:20.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.