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It gets dark and pushing 40.

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So maybe five o'clock at night? I don't know. But my brights five dual bright spots. You got dual. What one is just looping back to one of yours, which was the Fire Emblem engage. I've had a chance to play a bit of it. I'm hype

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hype, your hype again.

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I'm back to highly hyped. It's fun. Yeah, it's fun. It is fun. It's such a high bar that three houses set though. You know, like it's very difficult to assess. Like, how much am I actually enjoying this? Do I miss those characters? But yeah, it's a lot when you brought it up. I hadn't really had a chance to break into much of it. And I've been able to and I enjoy it. Yeah. But my real brightspot is when this comes out. It's gonna be Friday. Okay. And the day after that is Saturday. That's true. And that's the day of the Royal Rumble. That

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is the day of the Royal Rumble.

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I often maybe people think that this isn't accurate, but I often say I'm not really that interested. You do often say that. And I I stand by it. I respect that. Despite how erroneous it seems, based on a lot of the things I bring up and things I know a lot about, but I'm not that into it. But I am super into a Royal Rumble. Of course it is the greatest of all wrestling pay per views. It is the it's just so fun. It's chaos. There's people come back random, random appearances and droppings. Sometimes you get a Drew Carey showing up. Right? That's right. But yeah, it's just fun. Anything can happen. I mean, I know that that's not entirely true, right? Yeah, there's there's a lot of fun.

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No, I've watched three royal rumbles, all of which were in association with the game that the Hanson brothers used to play where they were talking about Bob, not quite and Bob Hanson brothers, but the community with Jeff and Edie. And they had this game where you'd have to try and guess everybody put money on who is coming out when? What's the dumbest one who goes out the fastest, you know, all of those things. And you're like, that is why you watch this because look at all the dumb shit that's going to happen. Yeah.

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I will be watching it with friends, Marty and Sarah, Marty and Sarah love wrestling, Eli and yeah, maybe I'll put together a betting pool. Maybe I'll do some dumb shit. Like I think that'd be fun. Yeah,

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I think I mean, we'll be there.

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Yeah, don't gamble.

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Let's do it.

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So I'm very hyped for that as well. That sounds great. And pretty. What was the man hitch black man?

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I mean, tell you something. A little bit in pitch black. I'm a little bit worried about Uncle howdy.

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I wouldn't be worried about him. Right? It would be a smart move. Anyway, what's your bright,

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bright spot is? Last night my wife and I stayed up real late watching a documentary on the Pez outlaw

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who is a guy where we talk about the protocols, the Elders of Zion candy, the literal candy,

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okay, this guy in the in the late 70s and 80s or whatever. He was smuggled European Pez dispensers into the United States, because the United States Pez company wouldn't allow the European peasant here. What's the difference? Exactly? The European Pez company was able to sell all over the world. And they made all kinds of fun like Willy Wonka style Pez dispensers. So

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there were a higher variety of design Hunza better flavors maybe

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when not not the candy. It's all about the design all about the designs for all the Calliope. Yeah, all the collectors want that. And in America, you couldn't get it because there was some asshole executive in the American one who's like, I don't like those so you can't have a

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right Well, I think there's probably also a disconnect between like, Who the fuck is this? Yes, exactly as European celebrity Americans aren't gonna buy this. Why? Why do you have 100 Different Gerard Depardieu so

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fun. So fun. But yeah, and he did it and he made tons of money. And he's like, it's illegal and shit. And he was smuggling things across borders. And he's got a plane and they hired people to follow him around. Wow. All of this about did Pez dispenser.

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That's a fascinating. That's a great that sounds like a great documentary. fantastic

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documentary.

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I do love a candy smuggler. Yeah. I know that like when I was younger me and my friends loved Kinder eggs. You know, those were illegal. toys inside the kill. Yeah, yes.

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Those are murder weapon. Yeah, actually,

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we had a couple of places we knew we could get bootleg. It was always so fun.

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It's just so funny. Whatever, that you have to have bootlegs of the dumbest possible thing. That's the best. Yeah, for sure. Oh, man. And about halfway through the documentary, this will not surprise you after they've described his exploits in great detail. He goes and then later on, I was diagnosed as bipolar. I was like, buddy, you know? i You are saying, I've been there, man. I called it before you did.

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You gotta find it and illegal candy and get the bootleg man, you're telling me live your destiny.

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And he's got a full ZZ Top beard. Incredible. That's God among men.

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So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over indeed. We're gonna be talking about something. And that thing is? Well, okay. So I teased that I had Rob do depositions. You did? I can't sit on that for a while. Okay. Can't sit on that for even a week. Nope. So we're doing some deposition here. We do. We're doing do position. Absolutely. So that debatably is where the formulaic objection series all really started. I don't think it was the first one. No, I think Alex was was the first one. And then Rob was on an EP, one that we did also with Paul Joseph Watson, I believe, right. But it was the one that crystallized this was a ridiculous, yes, he's he's wearing his Kangol hat. Yep, he's the DEP. He's the corporate representative doesn't know what the fuck is going on? Yep. So this, that one, the kangal hat. depo is we're gonna call it Yeah, that was from November 26 2019. Okay. These two depositions that we're going to be listening to today are when Rob was the corporate representative. Oh, no. For Info Wars LLC. Oh, no. And the second one is free speech systems. On March 15 2019. Okay, so

Jordan (00:07:43.000)

we're five dates. Okay.

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This is before Right.

Jordan (00:07:47.000)

Right, right. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, my bad. Yeah, I got it. I got the the months go in the other direction. The Backwards? Forwards. Yeah, no, gotcha. So

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this is when we heard him be such a shitty corporate representative. That was the second volley. Well, this predates that. So

Jordan (00:08:07.000)

I don't know what to expect. Yeah, I know. Well, actually, this

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did get them sanctioned.

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I will say that I expect Yeah, I do know what to expect. In a certain sense.

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We can we can say that ahead of time. This got them sanctioned. And then in response to that they decided to send Rob do again Gohan, that goddess, the kangal hat depo. Let's send them out one more time. So that's really interesting. Strategically,

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I it was a shock whenever we were talking about that one because it is the corporate representative. You're right. That's what started the real why are we doing depositions? Because these corporate representatives have no idea what's going on. Right? You know, and it's just

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it's not just a like, you know, I think I think like a deposition where people answer questions, sincerely is not really that entertaining, when it's complete liars who are unprepared and are shady as hell and working across purposes. Yep. There's something fascinating about that. It's

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it is it is a little bit like you it feels like you're watching children from a from a glass dome. And like, you know that they've been cheating somebody and stealing cookies all over the place, but they're trying to argue their way out of it. And you're like, what are we doing, guys? This is insane.

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Yeah, and the kids lawyers, barns. Exactly. Yeah. So I also need to make a little correction and that is on the ROB Jacobson deposition that we talked about. I said that was in 2018. I believe it was actually in 2019. Okay, this is as I can tell, these are these March 15 2019. Do Depositions are around the same time as the Jacobson watch, I apologize. I got that you're wrong. Okay. So this is gonna be a mess. And we'll get into it. But first, let's say hello doesn't do was a great idea. So first, a veritable tsunami Me have cantankerous badgers. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much. Next, I just want to scribble, thank you so much. You are now a policy walk.

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Next, Alex Jones, his guest frog, also known as Paco, thank you so much for an hour policy walk.

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I think that one was from three years ago. That's how long we've been holding out

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a backlog. Yeah. The backlog. taught in Tennessee. Thank you so much for now, policy one. I'm a policy wonk. Thank

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you very much.

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And we object to the mixture. So a bucket of poop sent me a soda might thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk.

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I renounced Jesus Christ. Thank you. So we're gonna listen to these two depositions do deposition to do our to do list T wo DW. So here's the thing. The first one is he's the corporate representative, for instance. I tried to I was going to log

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sorry, you got me? I'm sorry. You got me with a Okay, go for it.

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The first one is the Info Wars LLC corporate rep deposition. And there's not that much, really to say about that there was never going to be much gold in those hills. And the reason for that is that Infowars LLC is essentially a non existent company that primarily exists to hold the property to infowars.com. And so there's not a whole lot that anyone knows about it, because that doesn't, it's not a business that does transaction. It's not they don't hold meetings or it free speech systems is essentially the real company of these companies, if there is a real company now

Jordan (00:12:11.000)

Infowars LLC exists on paper and within the minds of the people who like to pretend it's something but it is not anything, right.

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And so for Rob, to answer any questions about that is tough. And to know exactly where the questions would need to go is kind of tough because I think, at this phase, and even the plaintiff's attorneys, sort of figuring out where the case is, I don't know if they fully understood the extent to which like, a lot of these companies only exist to either like, take in a payment, right, or I write a holding company for this intellectual property or whatever. Right. So this is Bill Ogden. I don't know if he has gummy bears or gummy worms. But there are a couple occasions where you can hear him eating something. Probably aggressively. He's got it. And we're here. We'll jump in. Here's the beginning of the Info Wars LLC. Corporate representative testimony of Rob do songs kangal had

Bill Ogden (00:13:16.000)

you please state your name?

Rob Dew (00:13:18.000)

Rob, do?

Bill Ogden (00:13:19.000)

What is your employment status with Infowars LLC?

Rob Dew (00:13:26.000)

As far as I know, there is no employment status with Infowars LLC.

Bill Ogden (00:13:30.000)

Okay. What is your understanding as to why you're here today?

Rob Dew (00:13:42.000)

To give a deposition shot about what about? Well, a couple of things. I guess the

Bill Ogden (00:13:52.000)

we put your mic on just clipped onto your lapel or

Rob Dew (00:14:00.000)

good. Don't touch other people's equipment. Sure.

Dan (00:14:05.000)

Yeah, he's a man of principle. So yeah, he doesn't seem very prepared, right? He's as bewildered as one might be. Yep. In this circumstances. Once

Jordan (00:14:16.000)

again, we have come to the ultimate impasse with an Infowars employee. What do you do? Who do you work for and why are you here are all unanswerable questions, but

Dan (00:14:26.000)

in this case, like with Infowars, LLC, like he doesn't work for them, he's never worked for them so I can understand a little more confusion but also may be prepared a little bit. So

Jordan (00:14:38.000)

well, at least we know on the second crack at it, he's going to do a much better job

Dan (00:14:42.000)

well it does also put deposition into a bit of a different context and that we met with like you realize that like, that was the that was the second Oh,

Jordan (00:14:55.000)

I got some mistakes to fix.

Dan (00:14:56.000)

I got it didn't do anything. Nope. Anyway, I As as is tradition and depositions. The Bill asks, What did you do to prepare? So Rob's a little befuddled? Yep.

Bill Ogden (00:15:10.000)

Exhibit one is in front of you. It is the notice of deposition. I assume prior to today, you'd seen that before. Okay. On page two, there are six topics listed. You see those? Yes. Okay. Topic number one says the organizational structure, business purpose and method of generating revenue for Infowars, LLC. What did you and none of my questions today are going to are going to be eliciting answers that you've had conversations with either of your attorneys. But what did you do to prepare yourself? For Topic number one?

Robert Barnes (00:15:54.000)

Oh my god.

Jordan (00:16:03.000)

We just make it far as I

Rob Dew (00:16:04.000)

know, Infowars LLC does not have any of this. My this does not pertain to enforce LLC.

Bill Ogden (00:16:12.000)

As far as you're aware, as far as what steps did you take to become? We're unaware of that?

Rob Dew (00:16:32.000)

Any information?

Rob Dew (00:16:34.000)

Oh, my God, I have

Bill Ogden (00:16:36.000)

and you didn't go look for it and try to figure it

Rob Dew (00:16:38.000)

out? No. I don't think there's any information is what I'm saying. Did you look for it? I would not know where to look for this information.

Dan (00:16:46.000)

Okay. So that's a no. Just already sort of get the sense of this Get ready for some pauses because we're probably for better or worse. I mean, like, I think if you're a more thoughtful person, and maybe a little bit less of a Dum Dum, yeah, long pauses could be an indication of trying to get your thoughts together during the answer, concisely and coherently for Rob, I think he's confused and trying to figure out what is being said to me. And also, what do I say to not implicate myself or anybody else in anything? What's the slippery is the answer I can give you? Yes. And there are a couple of points where it is, who if you think, like, pauses on Alex's show are long. Some of these are,

Jordan (00:17:31.000)

it does fit it, it does feel like he is being interrogated in like a Spanish prison. And he doesn't understand what any of the questions are. So it's just like, I didn't do it. I didn't mean I didn't do it. I don't I don't know how to say I didn't do it more.

Dan (00:17:46.000)

I don't know how to conjugate verbs. I don't think. So. He didn't prepare? No, of course, but he's reviewed some documents.

Bill Ogden (00:17:58.000)

Okay. So as far as Do you know what an interrogatory is?

Rob Dew (00:18:04.000)

What are you? Can you explain it for your purposes?

Jordan (00:18:08.000)

Of course I do. But could you explain it for the for the audience

Bill Ogden (00:18:10.000)

syndrome? Opponents in a lawsuit, and they answer those questions and they swear to you understand that. Okay. Okay. Did you review the interrogatory that were submitted in this case by Infowars, LLC?

Rob Dew (00:18:24.000)

I did. Okay.

Bill Ogden (00:18:26.000)

That would be considered a document. So when I asked, you know, the last few questions have asked, Did you review any documents? Now that we know you didn't? In review, the interrogatory? is, was there anything else that you reviewed?

Rob Dew (00:18:44.000)

No, I believe the interrogatory for the only thing.

Bill Ogden (00:18:47.000)

Okay, you didn't see any requests for production or any documents that were produced? No. Are you prepared to testify on vote as to answers to requests for production or any documents that have been produced by Infowars? LLC in this case? Your Are you prepared to testify today? As to documents that have been produced by Infowars? LLC in this case?

Rob Dew (00:19:15.000)

I'm not sure what test what testimony I can provide with relationship to Infowars LLC.

Bill Ogden (00:19:21.000)

I'm specifically speaking to the documents that have been produced. Do you know what documents have been produced? By Infowars? LLC?

Rob Dew (00:19:32.000)

I've looked at a lot of documents and look the same.

Dan (00:19:37.000)

Okay. All right. Sure. Okay. The documents all look at the site.

Jordan (00:19:40.000)

I've looked at a lot of documents in my day. There's white papers and they have little scribbles on them.

Dan (00:19:46.000)

They are all the same. Just like that. So yeah, we're not good territory. I feel like there is a fundamental tension in that there. isn't much that Rob can say, right. But he doesn't know how to articulate that in an appropriate way. Right, that would answer the questions that are being asked. He's unprepared to answer correctly, things that he would be able to express like that this is not really a writing company that does business or anything. He can't tell the truth, or he doesn't know. Well, I

Jordan (00:20:28.000)

mean, you had no preparation to know. Right, right. Right. Right. But I mean, in his mind, here's a good shot of what I would assume that Rob do is thinking about Infowars, LLC, he's thinking that's a dummy company. Is that in his mind? Do you know I don't know if that's true or not right. I don't know anything about it. But in his mind, that's my guess it doesn't do anything. And I'm important to it somehow. So in that case, he can't just be like, Hey, if you wanted to look further into our finances, I wouldn't look here. It's a lie. You know,

Dan (00:21:01.000)

I think that there's a possibility that he knows that it's kind of a dummy company, but that like, that's the extent of his knowledge. And if he knew more, maybe he would know something that people would want to know about. Right. Exactly. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah.

Jordan (00:21:15.000)

I would love to tell you the truth. But honestly, I don't know anything. And they told me never to find it's in my

Dan (00:21:22.000)

best interest not to know all that. Oh, good. Did not know. So. We know from the kangal hat Bebo that Rob didn't understand the corporate deposition, corporate representative thing, what that meant that he was testifying as the company,

Jordan (00:21:36.000)

he does not understand that he is not testifying as Rob do. He is testifying to what the company itself is supposed to know. Yes, yeah.

Dan (00:21:44.000)

And he's still not I mean, this is before that. So if, you know,

Jordan (00:21:49.000)

it's almost like an origin story. This is the beginning of not understanding what a corporate representative is.

Dan (00:21:54.000)

Yeah. And then in this clip, we get an appearance from noted asshole attorney, Enoch. Ooh, boy, he jumps in and Bill yells at this isn't taps.

Bill Ogden (00:22:09.000)

When was Info Wars LLC? Registered?

Rob Dew (00:22:16.000)

I believe in 2008. How do you know that? It was on one of these documents. Okay.

Bill Ogden (00:22:25.000)

And who registered?

Rob Dew (00:22:29.000)

That? I don't know. Okay.

Bill Ogden (00:22:33.000)

Do you know any of the original officers that were listed? On the LLC registration through the Secretary of State of Texas?

Rob Dew (00:22:41.000)

I believe there's only one.

Bill Ogden (00:22:43.000)

Why do you believe that?

Rob Dew (00:22:44.000)

Because it's listed as there's one listed.

Bill Ogden (00:22:49.000)

Okay, who is that?

Rob Dew (00:22:50.000)

Alex Jones?

Bill Ogden (00:22:54.000)

What has Info Wars LLC ever had any other officers?

Unknown Speaker (00:23:02.000)

Not to my knowledge.

Bill Ogden (00:23:06.000)

When you say your knowledge, we're sitting here as Info Wars LLC. You understand that correct.

Rob Dew (00:23:14.000)

I'm gonna ask to sit here as a representative photo LLC.

Bill Ogden (00:23:17.000)

And as a representative, you are sitting in the chair as the company. Do you realize that?

Rob Dew (00:23:24.000)

No, I'm not sure.

Bill Ogden (00:23:27.000)

Right. You're not here. As Rob do. You're here as Infowars LLC. Has anybody explained that to you? With the timeout and timeout, you cannot make hand gestures. Mr. Enoch? I just saw you. In the witness looked directly at you.

Mark Enoch (00:23:53.000)

You asked a question I did. Would you please not interrupt me sir, I

Bill Ogden (00:23:57.000)

haven't interrupted you. You asked a question that was so raw that it would encompass attorney client communication. That's a great opinion for you to have. Are you defending this deposition? We had this yesterday. And unfortunately, Mr. Bankston is the nice one of us. So I'm not going to put up with it. You can leave. If you are going to do that. If you're going to be an obstruction in this deposition, leave now. Otherwise, sit there quietly and don't make gestures and don't share your opinions with anybody but whispering into Mr. Barnes is here because he is defending this deposition.

Mark Enoch (00:24:30.000)

I can appreciate your opinion. Please continue the deposition as

Dan (00:24:36.000)

ugly, ugly, ugly. So yeah, apparently he's making he knocks making hand gestures that Rob do. And that's that is not good. She

Jordan (00:24:47.000)

assholes. Yeah, they just they just can't, they just can't not. Well, they have to be assholes. It would be

Dan (00:24:54.000)

just as easy conceivably to whisper to Barnes. Barnes same objection, I don't answer that question or whatever

Jordan (00:25:03.000)

it would be. But you'd have to have respect for the people that you are working again pretty

Dan (00:25:07.000)

much just to be like,

Jordan (00:25:08.000)

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No this picture

Dan (00:25:13.000)

Enoch like pulling on his collar.

Jordan (00:25:17.000)

He's got like a little news. Yep. Yeah,

Dan (00:25:20.000)

yeah. Oh, boy. So yeah, that's one of a couple of outbursts that happen throughout both of these depositions love it, there's, there's a little bit of non civility that happens.

Jordan (00:25:33.000)

I just You can only push people so far. You just can, you can only push. So

Dan (00:25:41.000)

I hear you. And honestly, I'm surprised these don't end up turning into, like actual fistfight? Well, that's

Jordan (00:25:47.000)

why at the trial, we almost had an actual fistfight, right.

Dan (00:25:51.000)

It's, what do you do at a certain point, people are confiscating so hard, and being such dicks.

Jordan (00:25:58.000)

It's like, I don't I don't I don't know at what point we graduate from, from adults to we're fine. Fine. We're on the playground. Fine. Yeah, we're throwing heads what we're doing fine.

Dan (00:26:11.000)

I think it's a testament to the patients that you need to have to be a lawyer. Yeah. Oh, and particularly a lawyer in this kind of a situation like, you have to be able to put that like personal desire to throw hands. Yeah, side.

Jordan (00:26:25.000)

But I would say that it would suggest to me that it's come in handy for Enoch. You know, he's, I'm sure they you pull in this bullshit has been useful to him.

Dan (00:26:36.000)

It almost feels like someone like him is that's the job of someone who's an older brother. You're really pushing those buttons and get a younger brother to do something that he's not wrong. You know, it's that it has that vibe. He's He's trolling a little Yeah, he does. He does poke he does. He does like to poke he knows damn well, that what he's doing is inappropriate. And then when Bill is telling him, you can stop this, or you can leave the response or update the response of like, I think you should get back to your deposition is that's the Poke.

Jordan (00:27:11.000)

I'm not touching you. Yeah, I'm not touching you. I wasn't touching. I didn't touch him. I didn't touch anybody. Yeah, I'm just waving my head some

Dan (00:27:17.000)

shit. Yeah. So when a ROB gets back to some questions, and it turns out, he doesn't know why Infowars LLC even exists? Yeah, that's what

Bill Ogden (00:27:24.000)

I thought the business purpose of Infowars LLC. What is it?

Rob Dew (00:27:34.000)

I don't know.

Bill Ogden (00:27:36.000)

Why was it created? By it? Why was Infowars LLC created?

Jordan (00:27:46.000)

I don't know. Man, Fuck if I know. Wow. Okay. All right. Rob, I'm sure that I'll only have to explain this to you one time. As the corporate representative, imagine the building. We're supposed to be here. As they imagine an anthropomorphic anthropomorphic building with all the knowledge of Infowars business practices. That is what you are

Dan (00:28:11.000)

your business can't speak for itself. And as such, in order to get questions about the business itself, we need somebody to be able to take on the accumulated awareness and knowledge of the business and that is you right now

Jordan (00:28:27.000)

that is your job. We we gave you time to do it. This business

Dan (00:28:31.000)

is in a crisis of identity apparently does not know why it exists.

Jordan (00:28:35.000)

I don't know who I am. I don't know what I was meant to do.

Dan (00:28:37.000)

I mean, look, I've definitely had periods where I'm like, Why did my parents have made? Sure it's existential angst that I get sometimes, but what is Infowars?

Jordan (00:28:46.000)

For? I didn't ask it to be born, you know, I don't know.

Dan (00:28:51.000)

So Bill produces a bit of the terms of service for Info Wars dot coms website. And in it the we whenever it says we the agreement that the user is entering into the person that they're entering into it with is Info Wars LLC. Aha. So it does exist as a business right. Now, this becomes a little bit of a conflict, because Rob is saying that it's an inactive business. And then this is brought up and it's like, well, the they're keeping cookies and all this stuff. Like is that inactivity? And then

Jordan (00:29:32.000)

it's just a pain. I'm not doing anything. So it is inactivity in my mind.

Dan (00:29:38.000)

Yeah, right. It's just a mess is absolutely bizarre.

Rob Dew (00:29:42.000)

I believe that Infowars LLC is an inactive entity, and he does not

Bill Ogden (00:29:48.000)

use an inactive earlier. What do you mean inactive,

Rob Dew (00:29:51.000)

that it doesn't play that would not be actively involved in any With reference to what you're asking here, it doesn't. It doesn't have anything to do with creation, licensing and marketing, staffing, programming, management development.

Bill Ogden (00:30:15.000)

You skipped over distribution. Have you read the terms and conditions that Infowars LLC lists as the controlling entity for the terms and conditions for infowars.com? To access the form?

Rob Dew (00:30:29.000)

I'm not sure I understand that question.

Jordan (00:30:31.000)

Have you read it? Can you read? Can you read? Can you read?

Bill Ogden (00:30:39.000)

The terms of use for infowars.com? What are they? Or excuse me? What do they do?

Rob Dew (00:30:51.000)

Are you referring to these? Well,

Bill Ogden (00:30:53.000)

those are just some of the definitions. 48 pages, I'll save a little bit of paper just to show you that in the terms of use. When it's an agreement with anyone saying we which is used throughout the entire terms and conditions, they're referred, they're defined as Infowars, LLC, not free speech systems. You understand that?

Rob Dew (00:31:22.000)

Well, I see a comma between Infowars and LLC. So I'm not sure that that is correct.

Bill Ogden (00:31:27.000)

If you look at the notice, in any filings of any business, or business entities formally named, you'll realize that the common is always

Dan (00:31:38.000)

okay. Good stuff.

Jordan (00:31:42.000)

Your Honor. There's a comma there. I rest my case.

Dan (00:31:46.000)

So cool. He's sitting there, and he's trying to find ways to wiggle out. So

Jordan (00:31:56.000)

you need to tell me,

Dan (00:31:58.000)

this means that you're entering into a terms of service agreement with Info Wars and something called Great.

Jordan (00:32:10.000)

Or is that? Or is it like the LLC who you're addressing? You know, it's Info Wars, comma, right, LLC.

Dan (00:32:16.000)

You know what I'm saying? Right? Isn't Chris Gethard house bam? You're entering into the Chris Gethard show house band Info Wars, run the terms of service for Infowars.

Jordan (00:32:28.000)

You understand of all things of all things for a corporate representative to not know that there comes a comma before LLC always seems high on the list. You should just know that. Yeah, you're the corporate representative.

Dan (00:32:42.000)

Yeah, you should know these standards.

Jordan (00:32:46.000)

Just regular, just this business. Yeah.

Dan (00:32:49.000)

So they talk a little bit here. But inactivity means to be an inactive business, according to rob, that leads to barnes getting all up in bills business, figure out what

Jordan (00:33:01.000)

inactive means.

Bill Ogden (00:33:04.000)

If Infowars LLC is listed as the entity that is in agreement with all users of infowars.com for things like using cookies and log files to create profiles for other users, that wouldn't necessarily make them inactive. Correct? objection is to form what's the what's the form

Robert Barnes (00:33:28.000)

that basically calls for legal conclusion?

Bill Ogden (00:33:33.000)

Which legal conclusion

Robert Barnes (00:33:35.000)

is that defining what constitutes an active or inactive entity?

Bill Ogden (00:33:39.000)

I'm gonna use an inactive that he I had him to find it. Right. That's where so we're using his definition. What's the legal conclusion? He's not you mystery not? Know, this is just my voice when someone's obstructing a deposition that they shouldn't be talking in America, Do not raise your voice. And I'm asking you not to speak any further. Though we can be civil with each other, please raise your voice and counsel. Mr. Lawrence doesn't deserve it. I'm not raising it. Mr. Mr. Mr. Lawrence, I've raised my voice towards you.

Robert Barnes (00:34:12.000)

Let's move forward. The other state here, but I'm just saying that in terms of what is incorrectly listed, the terms of service.

Bill Ogden (00:34:24.000)

Mr. Barnes, hold on. What do you mean it's incorrectly listed?

Robert Barnes (00:34:30.000)

It's a free speech systems.

Jordan (00:34:32.000)

I'm sorry,

Bill Ogden (00:34:33.000)

any of that? A legal objection during a deposition and how are you not going to

Robert Barnes (00:34:40.000)

answer your question. The I interpreted your question is calling for a legal conclusion barn designation, constituted ownership of the site and admission of ownership of the site. But that wasn't my question. That's how I interpreted the question. It's calling for that legal When I asked

Bill Ogden (00:35:00.000)

him what is his understanding of the use of the word that he used, and then I had to find,

Robert Barnes (00:35:06.000)

I know, but that was followed up by a question that presumed and was I took his asking for a legal conclusion about what this statement means X.

Bill Ogden (00:35:17.000)

What was my question?

Robert Barnes (00:35:18.000)

My recollection is this statement means would you agree that this statement means that Infowars owns something or is active? And I was saying that that would call for a legal conclusion.

Bill Ogden (00:35:29.000)

Okay, well, I will make sure that in no way will My Will my questions be interpreted to be asking. Okay, thank you. Sitting here today, are you aware that Infowars LLC is listed in the terms and services on infowars.com as the controlling entity

Rob Dew (00:35:57.000)

seeing it here listed on the terms of services the first time I've seen it

Bill Ogden (00:36:06.000)

now that you're seeing it, and let's presume that it's still there right now. When you said inactive earlier and you told me what you meant by inactive Do you still believe it's an active

Unknown Speaker (00:36:28.000)

yes

Bill Ogden (00:36:31.000)

what would a company have to be?

Dan (00:36:44.000)

Careful

Rob Dew (00:37:00.000)

I'm not sure I understand your

Jordan (00:37:05.000)

worth the weight. Fucking fudge slide that was worth. Come on.

Dan (00:37:13.000)

So one of the things that like is a little bit bummed out about this deposition itself, is that like, a lot of it is just rob not knowing shit. And like not being able to answer any question. Barnes being shit. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, that's kind of a lot of this. Whereas where Rob shines is when he accidentally says stuff that like is implicated. That's the more in the free speech systems episode. Yeah, good. But yeah, this is just sort of like he is just a this is an openness, Boosh. Hopeless man sitting there being asked questions, seeing if he can run out the clock.

Jordan (00:37:51.000)

It just feel like he's waiting. They're just like, will they forget? They asked me the question. If I just stay silent.

Dan (00:37:57.000)

I feel like I've done that in school before.

Jordan (00:38:02.000)

Okay, I saw Jurassic Park last night. What was it about lawyers if you don't move, they can't see you. That's what it was. I swear.

Dan (00:38:07.000)

Look, the bell is gonna ring at 240. After let me let

Jordan (00:38:11.000)

me go. So they can't detain me. Yeah.

Dan (00:38:17.000)

So there's another thing that comes up, that is a bit of an issue. And that is that Alex is not the only person who's ever been listed as a controlling manager of Infowars, LLC.

Jordan (00:38:29.000)

Why? Why would I expect the question that he answered to have been the correct answer? Of course, it wasn't. Well, he

Dan (00:38:35.000)

said to the best of his knowledge, Alex was the only one. But again, he's the company and you'd think he'd know if there were other officers the rule. And it turns out prior, the controlling officer was Magnolia holdings. And we know that Magnolia holdings was the company that was based off of Alex's dad's bank account, right that he made so he would have a business line of credit exact, and that is where a lot of these businesses were able to be created and housed in a way that allowed him to probably get credit in a way that other people wouldn't have access to. Real real shortcut kind of

Jordan (00:39:13.000)

pulled himself up by the bootstraps, strapless, those bootstraps, gilded by his daddy

Dan (00:39:18.000)

and his dad. Yeah, dental practice. Yeah, exactly. So it turns out that is the prior controlling interest in Infowars LLC, right but there's another wrinkle to this course. This is mind blowing.

Bill Ogden (00:39:35.000)

Who is Magnolia Holdings Limited Partnership.

Rob Dew (00:39:55.000)

I've heard that name. I believe there Old with free speech systems in some way.

Bill Ogden (00:40:03.000)

Okay. How did you come across that name?

Rob Dew (00:40:15.000)

I don't recall exactly. Because I've been there for so long. So a lot of things just kind of run together. But I couldn't tell you exactly when. But I think I saw the name at some point.

Bill Ogden (00:40:30.000)

You have any idea who it is?

Rob Dew (00:40:36.000)

I don't have a definitive answer for you, but I can. I'm imagining Alex Jones has something to do with magnolia.

Bill Ogden (00:40:49.000)

Were you aware that the original manager of Infowars LLC was Magnolia holdings? LP?

Rob Dew (00:40:56.000)

Was I aware of what the Were you aware that the original

Bill Ogden (00:40:58.000)

manager of Infowars LLC was Magnolia holdings? LP?

Unknown Speaker (00:41:06.000)

I was not aware.

Bill Ogden (00:41:11.000)

What's the accurate? Excuse me? Yeah. What's the address? At Infowars?

Jordan (00:41:20.000)

There's a trick question.

Rob Dew (00:41:21.000)

Were you worried? That would be free speech system

Bill Ogden (00:41:26.000)

free speech season? I say Infowars was encompassing of all okay, what's the address of free speech systems?

Rob Dew (00:41:33.000)

The physical or the mailing address? We can start with physical Oh my god. The physical address of free speech systems is 3019 Alvin devayne. Suite. There's a couple suites. The direct mailing addresses suite 230.

Bill Ogden (00:41:52.000)

Okay. But same street number industry name.

Rob Dew (00:41:55.000)

Yeah, there's different suite numbers.

Dan (00:41:57.000)

Okay. Have you ever

Bill Ogden (00:41:59.000)

been to 100? Congress Avenue on the 22nd? Floor?

Rob Dew (00:42:04.000)

No. But are we here at 100? Congress Avenue. Okay. I know where this building is. But. Okay. The 22nd floor is out. You're asking? Yeah, no.

Bill Ogden (00:42:17.000)

Were you aware the Magnolia Holdings is four floors above us right now?

Jordan (00:42:33.000)

No.

Rob Dew (00:42:42.000)

No, I was not aware of that.

Bill Ogden (00:42:44.000)

Extremely long pause.

Jordan (00:42:47.000)

Thank God. He said, That is too long for that answer. That is too long.

Dan (00:42:57.000)

So he turns out four floors above them in the building that they're having this deposition is where the address of Magnolia Holdings Limited Partnership is, of course, and I don't know if that even means anything. I don't

Jordan (00:43:10.000)

think it means anything. It's a fun little reveal. Yeah, it's great. threw me for a loop.

Dan (00:43:15.000)

So it was a long long pause. Yes. And Rob explains why he had such a pause.

Bill Ogden (00:43:21.000)

It's an extremely long pause.

Rob Dew (00:43:23.000)

Well, I'll tell you, why would you like it, please?

Jordan (00:43:26.000)

Yeah.

Rob Dew (00:43:28.000)

There's a lot of I guess people put a lot of stuff out on the internet. And sometimes it's different. Oh, who runs Alex Jones type stuff. Okay. And it goes into, you know, this company was formed here. So I have seen, that's what I'm thinking. I saw the name Magnolia holdings.

Jordan (00:43:58.000)

Somebody did an X mosaic on us.

Rob Dew (00:44:02.000)

Documents, but I was not aware it was on this in this building.

Dan (00:44:06.000)

Yeah. So Rob was worried because a lot of people post a lot of stuff online, and they say who controls Alex? And maybe he heard the name because somebody had accurately reported that it was a company that Infowars was associated with early on.

Jordan (00:44:21.000)

I feel like I feel like Rob should just answer every question with like, Hey, man, okay. You ever see that scene in the wire? Where Stringer Bell was like, Are you writing notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy? Imagine that's all of our paperwork. Of course. I don't know any of it. It's against the law.

Dan (00:44:37.000)

Right? There is a certain delicious irony of Rob being like goes a lot of bullshit online. A lot of people say a lot of shit. Hey, man,

Jordan (00:44:46.000)

a lot of people out there. They'll lie about you. They don't even try and ruin your life. Don't even don't even mess with that stuff. I tell you the internet scary place.

Dan (00:44:53.000)

Yeah. So we have one last clip here and it's a discussion of whether or not robbed was if Infowars LLC has an office.

Bill Ogden (00:45:04.000)

It's Info Wars LLC. Have an office?

Rob Dew (00:45:10.000)

Not to my knowledge.

Bill Ogden (00:45:15.000)

And in the corporate documents, it lists the governing authority as Alex Jones is the manager in hesitant 100 Congress Avenue 22nd floor. Is there an office there?

Rob Dew (00:45:34.000)

I don't know. I've never been to the 22nd floor.

Bill Ogden (00:45:38.000)

Did you ask anyone preparing for this deposition? Whether or not Infowars LLC had an office?

Rob Dew (00:45:55.000)

Don't believe I did.

Jordan (00:45:56.000)

Yeah, no shit.

Dan (00:45:58.000)

Why would you no ship. So yeah, that's the same address.

Jordan (00:46:01.000)

I be happier with I'd like because again, I mean, I'm trying to visualize this in my mind, as an actual corporate representative. You know, like, I'm trying to anthropomorphize the company itself. And so the idea of you asking a company like, do you have an office and then the company going, knock? I don't know. Like, what what are you talking about? And then they just disappear into thin air. Yeah.

Dan (00:46:28.000)

So the the reason that some of this is irrelevant, even if it is kind of like, why is that there is a clear indication that no effort has gone into making sure that these businesses are legally distinct from each other, or legally distinct from Alex Jones himself. The fact that Infowars LLC has the same address apparently as magnolia. Yeah, partnership, and they were originally in charge of it. Now Alex is in charge of Infowars LLC. It's all just like, Okay, this might as well all just be the same shit. Yeah, that's all it is.

Jordan (00:47:03.000)

Yeah, it is. Yeah. I mean, it's it's almost kind of funny that a to me it. What I'm seeing in my mind, is these people being like, we're not going to open an LLC in Delaware. Like the rest of everybody who wants to cheat not exactly. We're gonna do it when it's too late.

Dan (00:47:21.000)

Because proud of Texas, there's the tax Exactly. It's a Trump called it's a it's

Jordan (00:47:25.000)

he's both greatest attribute and apparently his downfall. Alamo.

Dan (00:47:30.000)

Yeah. So we go to the Free Speech systems, corporate representative testimony, deposition. And this is one of the same day. And so take a little break, come back. And

Jordan (00:47:41.000)

reserve has a different hat on there's no

Dan (00:47:43.000)

hats. But this is fun.

Bill Ogden (00:47:46.000)

Where does the majority of revenue come from? supplements or, or products? Or does it come from ad buys?

Rob Dew (00:48:03.000)

I would say it's listener supported. So I'd say most people either donating or buying products.

Bill Ogden (00:48:15.000)

Okay. And speaking of are you on any of the products from Infowars right now?

Rob Dew (00:48:22.000)

Am I on them?

Bill Ogden (00:48:23.000)

Have you taken any of them supplements anything like that?

Rob Dew (00:48:29.000)

Ever or today? Oh, today? I have not taken any today?

Bill Ogden (00:48:33.000)

Do you regularly take any of them?

Rob Dew (00:48:44.000)

I would say there's a Tumeric product I take

Dan (00:48:47.000)

Okay, so there's two things that are really fun here. The first is that like it's almost as if like, are you impaired? But yeah,

Jordan (00:48:53.000)

totally. Are you are you have you taken any drugs or alcohol today

Dan (00:48:58.000)

or in for some fun? Yeah. Second thing is that like, hey, if all of the claims about like, how you need this to the fight off the five G and the all the stuff in the food, it's the good halogen you need the iodine or else your IQ will be lowered? think it'd be taking not just some tumors, you'd think you'd be crammed to the gills with that crap, right? Apparently not normally the people who are on the inside kind of get it know that it's all bullshit.

Jordan (00:49:25.000)

I could not be happier with the length of time necessary to understand whether or not you take a product regularly.

Dan (00:49:33.000)

Well, he's kind of he's probably thinking about like, should I tell him that my wife won't let me take Superman?

Jordan (00:49:38.000)

Like remember that time that my wife was like, You're fucking hard, you know, hard, too hard.

Dan (00:49:43.000)

Can't take that Superman. So they get they talk about the coverage of Sandy Hook and the day of Rob It admits that they were talking about it as a situation where people were going to take guns So, because of that is shooting wide which is

Bill Ogden (00:50:04.000)

what's the first video or article that was produced on info wars.com Regarding Sandy Hook, and it being a hoax and or false flag

Jordan (00:50:20.000)

where's that Wikipedia printout when you need it?

Rob Dew (00:50:35.000)

Can you explain what you mean by hoax?

Bill Ogden (00:50:40.000)

Do you know what the word hoax means?

Rob Dew (00:50:44.000)

I know what the word hoax means.

Bill Ogden (00:50:45.000)

What does it mean?

Rob Dew (00:50:50.000)

Something that was a hoax is an event or a boy. A hoax is meant to fool people. Oh, boy bill.

Bill Ogden (00:51:11.000)

What is the factual basis that free speech systems have relied on when it first reported Sandy Hook Elementary might be a hoax.

Rob Dew (00:51:28.000)

I believe most of our reporting was involved with looking at how this event will be used to take people's Second Amendment rights.

Bill Ogden (00:51:40.000)

When did that conversation start?

Rob Dew (00:51:43.000)

I believe that conversation started the day of the event.

Bill Ogden (00:51:50.000)

Why would you why what made free speech systems start having that conversation.

Rob Dew (00:51:56.000)

Because we have seen past events where a gun is used. And when a gun is used, the gun becomes the cause. And then they look at gun owners as being people that need to be stripped of their rights and gun ownership.

Dan (00:52:20.000)

This is me even hearing him explain this, which you obviously already? No, this is what he thinks Yeah, he sounds dumb. If he's not able to articulate this in a way that like sounds compelling, and like, this would not be necessarily a great thing to be expressing. Yeah, that like there's a mass shooting where a bunch of children were murdered at a school. And your first thought is, won't you think of the guns? Like that's really bizarre to be like, that's your headspace. You're testifying that that's your headspace. Yeah, this is where we're at. This is where our priorities very consistent. And it's strange.

Jordan (00:53:00.000)

Yeah, I saw those victims and heroes tragically murdered. gunned down, mowed down. And I was like, Man, I hope that guns okay, it probably fired a little too much for my taste. So even

Dan (00:53:13.000)

even like putting it on a more realistic framing. It's like, how am I gonna be defensive about this? And that's weird.

Jordan (00:53:22.000)

It is weird. It's it's almost deflated. It's like, he's he's realized that no matter what answer he gives, I think he's already after the first morning deposition. I think he's realized that he's not going to get anything right. Me so all he's doing is trying to think of the right thing to say to get out of it.

Dan (00:53:39.000)

Well, let's see i I'm trying to put myself in the position of this like gun. lovin Levin's too weak of a word. Yeah. This this sort of mindset. And like, I think that having that kind of a response of like, they're going to use this tragedy to push gun legislation that would make sense in opposition to gun legislation. Right. So let's say like two months after Sandy Hook, there's a bill that is being introduced. And, you know, expressing something to the effect of my heart goes out as much as it possibly can to the victims and the surviving family members, that we can't allow sentimentality or over a motion to, to erode our freedoms or something like that, right. In the context of discussing a bill right, the actual bill that is being introduced, that makes sense. Yeah, to see a shooting and then immediately imagine a future bill, and then get defensive about it. Get defensive about something that doesn't exist. Yeah. It seems fucked up. It seems like it seems like a them problem.

Jordan (00:54:45.000)

It is I mean that but that's what happens whenever you don't see other people as people. They're not humans. Why would you bother? Who cares about whether or not they introduced the bill now or 100 years from now? I know they're evil.

Dan (00:54:59.000)

Yeah. It's silly. Yeah. Anyway. So there needs to be a factual basis for his belief, or at least the question is, what's your fact that there doesn't need to be? And it turns out, it's Operation Northwoods. Oh, God. But Rob doesn't seem to even understand this.

Bill Ogden (00:55:17.000)

The day of the Sandy Hook shooting, Mr. Jones went on his show and suggested that this was all staged by the government. Correct?

Rob Dew (00:55:32.000)

You'd have to show me the video.

Bill Ogden (00:55:33.000)

I'm asking you. What's the factual basis for Mr. Jones's theory that day of as it relates to number four listed in the piece of paper in front of you? What was the factual basis for him saying the government stage this?

Rob Dew (00:55:48.000)

I think the factual basis goes back to a document that was declassified in the late 1990s. And it was called Operation Northwoods. And in that, it describes situations where the government would create events and stage one of which was bombing airlines. Also staging mass shootings, they say in theaters, I believe schools is also listed in that I haven't looked at that document in a while. But that diving, you shouldn't declassified. And it was signed by the head of the military, and given the President Kennedy.

Bill Ogden (00:56:38.000)

Okay. So because that document was declassified in the 90s, every single mass shooting immediately, Mr. Jones goes on infowars.com and on his radio show, and suggest that this is staged, I just want to make sure that I have my factual basis clear.

Jordan (00:57:02.000)

What we say

Bill Ogden (00:57:03.000)

we do, not what you do what you did what we did

Rob Dew (00:57:16.000)

we remind people, I'm sorry, you're lying reminded people. And I'm not even sure if he mentioned Northwoods that day or not? It's but I'm sure that was in his mind, although I can't speak for him.

Dan (00:57:29.000)

Great. So we remind people of this. Wow. Which is that is the How's that different? That's bizarre.

Jordan (00:57:39.000)

Well, I say it this way. And it doesn't sound like I said it a different way.

Dan (00:57:43.000)

It's is such a good way that Bill put it the the like, because of this document that was declassified in the 90s. Every mass shooting is reported as possibly being fake or likely being fake. Is that correct?

Jordan (00:57:58.000)

And then Rob, do you ask to be like, well, yes, but I don't want to say it because when you say it like that, it sounds fucking stupid. Yeah. So what I'm saying is we reminded people of the document it sounds

Dan (00:58:09.000)

almost as if we have a very weak basis for the kind of reporting.

Jordan (00:58:13.000)

I've never thought of it that way. But when you put it like that, I am going to shut down and stay silent for a

Dan (00:58:20.000)

while. Yeah, shit long, Paul. Yeah. So one of the hallmarks I think you could say of these particularly like the top tier deposition Yeah. Of Infowars figures is unforced errors. Daria is the queen of unforced error

Jordan (00:58:36.000)

I mean, raise a hand up

Dan (00:58:39.000)

here Rob makes a play for the Crown

Bill Ogden (00:58:42.000)

sitting here on behalf of free speech systems did the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary happened to the way that it was reported by the overwhelmingly majority of the media

Unknown Speaker (00:58:56.000)

objection is to form you can answer.

Rob Dew (00:59:24.000)

I still have doubts that Adam Lanza was the only person involved. Okay. So, but it's believed children were killed at Sandy Hook. And I don't remember ever saying that children did not die at Sandy Hook.

Bill Ogden (00:59:39.000)

Okay. So you think this is some sort of hoax that Adam Lanza wasn't alone. And someone else shot up a bunch of children in Sandy Hook Elementary School, sitting here as the corporate representative for free speech systems.

Rob Dew (01:00:00.000)

If you're saying right now or then

Bill Ogden (01:00:01.000)

is that true right now sitting here right now?

Jordan (01:00:09.000)

Just say no. Just say no. Just say no, just say no

Rob Dew (01:00:25.000)

I think things have evolved over time. I think the government in the law enforcement in Connecticut by their obfuscation helped make this turn this into what it is today. I do not believe they help the situation. You don't believe they helped. I don't believe they help the situation and answering people's questions.

Bill Ogden (01:01:00.000)

Okay. Do you have any idea what question I asked before you said

Rob Dew (01:01:07.000)

you said Do I think Adam Lanza acted alone?

Bill Ogden (01:01:10.000)

This free speech systems believe Adam Lanza acted alone, or that someone else came in and shot up a bunch of children at Sandy Hook Elementary. That was my question.

Rob Dew (01:01:38.000)

Think we agree with the findings that came out on in January of 2018.

Dan (01:01:45.000)

Wow. I mean, it's just the mind the mind that you're getting a glimpse into?

Jordan (01:01:50.000)

I feel like I can hear the squeaking he needs some oil on those gears. Holy. Is

Dan (01:01:58.000)

that slow prompted? necessarily throwing out? I saw

Jordan (01:02:07.000)

Oh, my God

Dan (01:02:08.000)

as the corporate representative for free speeches that I am offering unprompted conspiracy theories. Oh, bad what an idiot.

Jordan (01:02:16.000)

As amazing as the Finnick physical manifestation of a business I too agree that shooting was a hoax. You

Dan (01:02:26.000)

Yeah, that's in the in the pantheon of things. You don't need to say that is up there. That is in the conversation

Jordan (01:02:34.000)

for them, but it's that they do. They can't not do the thing that they do. They try so hard not to answer questions. And then they're like, Yeah, but I gotta get my thing out there. I gotta get my little piece out there. I gotta say it I'm combat

Dan (01:02:50.000)

pilot leads you to suspect I think that Rob does believe that. Yeah. You know, like, there's a lot of people who probably are maybe more cynical and more. Maybe opportunistic, feels like rub his silences and is contemplating is like, I don't want to lie. Exactly. And say that I don't believe this gently. Are they gonna bust me for lying? That's not believing this. The other

Jordan (01:03:19.000)

thing that I love about this is that it does seem like he is both committed to not lying, but also committed to not telling them anything. Right. So he tried to reword all of the things that they say it's it's delightful. It is delightful.

Dan (01:03:33.000)

I would choose a different word maybe the opposite of that. But yes. So he mentioned a agreement with a report from 2018. Yes. And so Bill wants to know, why do you agree with that report? Yeah. How is it different than other reports that have come out in the past? Good.

Bill Ogden (01:03:52.000)

This report that was released by the Connecticut State Police in January 2018. How is it different from the original Connecticut report of the the new talent report that came out December of 2013?

Rob Dew (01:04:16.000)

Well, from what I remember, the report that was initially released, was

Rob Dew (01:04:29.000)

was redacted and did not have it was I believe it was critical of certain aspects of what happened that day. And this new report seem to be not as critical of the law enforcement response. The second report

Bill Ogden (01:04:56.000)

that's the that's the only difference

Rob Dew (01:05:00.000)

That's what I can recall it, comparing it to the initial report. Yes.

Bill Ogden (01:05:04.000)

Let me let me back up. That what you just testified to that information? Was what changed free speech systems position on whether or not

Jordan (01:05:15.000)

I'm supposed to be the business check.

Bill Ogden (01:05:17.000)

Correct? Let's do for you.

Rob Dew (01:05:24.000)

I think there's a lot of different things that happen over time. Sure, with these events. Amazing.

Bill Ogden (01:05:30.000)

Was Info Wars wrong in its initial.

Rob Dew (01:05:36.000)

At the time, we reported anything. We're not putting out information that we believed to be untrue. So if we put it out at that time, at that time, we believed it to be true.

Bill Ogden (01:05:53.000)

Sure, but if one person at the top is betting all the information, and he just says, Well, I think it's true. You can throw out anything, right? Correct.

Rob Dew (01:06:01.000)

I don't agree with that statement.

Bill Ogden (01:06:03.000)

If Alex Jones wants something to go on the air, he can put it up and nobody can stop him free speech systems, correct.

Rob Dew (01:06:10.000)

Alex is the boss. Yes.

Bill Ogden (01:06:14.000)

So if Mr. Jones believes something, then free speech systems can just hide behind the veil of will we thought it was true at the time that we put out the wrong information is that true?

Robert Barnes (01:06:25.000)

intention is to perform.

Jordan (01:06:48.000)

Little sighs What are you doing?

Rob Dew (01:06:53.000)

I don't believe we're hiding behind anything.

Dan (01:06:57.000)

Comes off sincere. Yeah, really? After a long pause some sighs and we're not hiding behind. Oh, okay. All right. I

Jordan (01:07:04.000)

hide behind by it. Yeah, do not look in these bushes where I am there.

Dan (01:07:09.000)

The bill is making good point that that Rob really can't answer. And that is the like, okay, so if you believed it was right at the time, you have no responsibility for anything. And if one person basically is in charge of deciding what you believe at the time, yep. All right. Seems like you're hiding behind that as a as a rationale for why you never did anything wrong. And you never have. If you don't if you don't check on things, and you just report things willy nilly, right. And then later, you're wrong. But you had a quote unquote, good faith, belief in it at the time. Sure. Seems like, seems like you just are chaotic.

Jordan (01:07:45.000)

Alright, now I know what you're saying. But how about this, the things that I say sound better and make more sense when they are being yelled. And I think you don't understand me because we're talking so quietly. So let me try it this way. They did it wrong. You can see that makes more sense. Now you agree with me

Dan (01:08:02.000)

insert long pause. Could you repeat the question? So the issue how big comes up? And there's no there's question of whether or not Wolfgang Halbig reached out to Infowars? Or the other way around? That is a good question. And so this question comes up and then rob do gives a bizarre non sequitur.

Bill Ogden (01:08:25.000)

Let's talk about Wolfgang Halbig. Did Infowars reach out to him? infowars.com reach out to him or did he reach out to you?

Rob Dew (01:08:49.000)

I believe he reached out to us at some point saying he was a school safety expert.

Bill Ogden (01:08:58.000)

And looking back in hindsight, does free speech systems believe that was a good idea to start communicating and having him on the shows?

Rob Dew (01:09:15.000)

I believe one of the first things he said was that he had given money to the victims.

Bill Ogden (01:09:21.000)

What does that mean?

Rob Dew (01:09:23.000)

Well, that he believed it was a real event. What? And then after from what he was doing, asking questions, he was not getting answers to his questions.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:34.000)

Okay. That

Dan (01:09:36.000)

is bewildering. Rob. Rob.

Jordan (01:09:38.000)

Rob, where are you right now? Where did you go? You left us. You are you're somewhere else. Man.

Dan (01:09:44.000)

I think that the intent of that information is to say it seemed like a good idea to talk to him because he clearly believed that it was a real event. Yeah, but that also undercuts the path that their relationship took. Yeah, and how encouraging they were of him believing the opposite of Right, right. And it's not like it's not like he believed that at the time he gave money to the families is part of Wolfgang's backstory in as much as it's given credibility to his claims that it's a hoax. Yeah, that's why I believed it and then it

Jordan (01:10:18.000)

was a bit come to Jesus moment for me. Yes, it's bullshit. It's essentially

Dan (01:10:22.000)

a part of his his prologue. Yeah, his myth. Yeah,

Jordan (01:10:27.000)

yeah.

Dan (01:10:28.000)

It's very bizarre i for Rob to be pulling that out. It does.

Jordan (01:10:31.000)

It does feel like he's he's like, no, no, no, you don't you don't understand. He said that he gave money to the families at the time. So we thought he was a good guy. Right? Because we weren't going to do that shit.

Dan (01:10:43.000)

It's strange. PAMP so but donde comes up. And here's here's some thoughts about that.

Bill Ogden (01:10:50.000)

You're aware that Mr. Badung free speech systems is aware Mr. Madani went to Connecticut in June 2015.

Rob Dew (01:10:59.000)

I'm aware I couldn't give you the exact date.

Bill Ogden (01:11:01.000)

Okay. You watch the footage though.

Rob Dew (01:11:03.000)

From yesterday.

Bill Ogden (01:11:04.000)

That was the first time you've ever seen it before okay. What is free speech this systems stance on on that footage

Jordan (01:11:17.000)

no notes love it.

Rob Dew (01:11:20.000)

I believe it was

Rob Dew (01:11:28.000)

I would say it was reasons like that is why we didn't he was not hard. He was no longer working for us

Bill Ogden (01:11:41.000)

at the time he was though

Dan (01:11:49.000)

Well, when you put it that

Jordan (01:11:50.000)

way. Ah, now I see what you're asking. Oh, yes. But he

Dan (01:11:54.000)

was a contract person instead of a full time completely different. But so do brings up an email that definitely exists. Okay, where he told but donde

Jordan (01:12:10.000)

right now now. Now, I'm gonna throw this out there. I'm just gonna see if I can guess where this might be going. Do you realize that as a corporate representative, you are supposed to produce those documents directly to us?

Dan (01:12:21.000)

Well, you're you're on the right track. Because it turns out this email has not been turned. What is the price? Now? It definitely exists totally. But also maybe it was a text. I believe that it exists today.

Bill Ogden (01:12:34.000)

But after June of 2015, that's when free speech systems was company wide said we are no longer going to be associated with this guy.

Rob Dew (01:12:45.000)

I don't know if it was June or not. But there's definitely an email that I believe I sent to him or man that I sent to him and said he's no longer representing or not to represent free speech systems.

Bill Ogden (01:12:59.000)

Okay. And that wasn't anything to do with like a journalist source that was just you telling somebody to stop saying he's associated with you?

Rob Dew (01:13:08.000)

Correct. Okay.

Bill Ogden (01:13:09.000)

Where's that email?

Jordan (01:13:19.000)

In think you were going to ask that.

Rob Dew (01:13:22.000)

I assume you have a shot.

Bill Ogden (01:13:33.000)

Let's back up. Give it to anybody.

Bill Ogden (01:13:40.000)

Did you give it to Mr. Bankston, did you send it to Mr. Bankston?

Rob Dew (01:13:44.000)

I don't know if I sent any documents to Mr. Max,

Bill Ogden (01:13:46.000)

did you send it to Mr. Enoch?

Rob Dew (01:13:50.000)

I don't believe I sent any documents to Mr. Enoch, they went to

Bill Ogden (01:13:53.000)

Mr. Barnes.

Rob Dew (01:13:56.000)

There's a lot of attorneys working on the case. And so it went to another attorney I imagined okay, but I'm not thinking back. It may have been a text. But I would have to look through everything again.

Bill Ogden (01:14:12.000)

So you have texted you have a texting relationship with Mr.

Rob Dew (01:14:15.000)

Madani? Not generally, but you have what?

Bill Ogden (01:14:19.000)

There were text messages that were found, I guess, if you're bringing them up? Correct.

Rob Dew (01:14:25.000)

There might be one or two or, or something, depending on we generally like to do things in email. Okay. Especially if it's don't, we don't want you representing us anymore. Like,

Jordan (01:14:41.000)

okay, so so so in this circumstance, you

Dan (01:14:45.000)

really think it'd be an email? Yeah, yeah. So then we get on the another lap. That's how you restart this entire cycle of conversation that goes nowhere. I do really appreciate though that there's a certainty that there's an email and then as like, oh, I don't have that email. No one has ever produced that email. Maybe it's a tech. How do I wiggle out of this? I certainty has gone away.

Jordan (01:15:10.000)

I just love the stab at the at the stab at the like, you guys have, like the hope the hope I assume. That's the other thing. That's the other thing about these depositions that's always there, the hope that maybe they got out of it this time, right.

Dan (01:15:26.000)

And presuming that he did turn it over to lawyers, the fact that they don't give it the lawyers are not producing things. Now you're getting other people.

Jordan (01:15:37.000)

You're revealing all the wrong things.

Dan (01:15:40.000)

So we've we've touched on how big Yep, touchdown, but donde shark now. Let's talk Fetzer. Let's do it. And actually Rob is correct about this, which is bizarre.

Bill Ogden (01:15:51.000)

Jim Fetzer. What what do you know about Jim Fetzer?

Rob Dew (01:15:59.000)

That he's an author. And I don't know if he's a talk show host, but he's been on a lot of talk shows. Okay.

Bill Ogden (01:16:08.000)

He's, I think, to this day still holds that Sandy hooks was a hoax.

Rob Dew (01:16:14.000)

You would agree? I believe that is his view. Yes.

Bill Ogden (01:16:18.000)

What was your relationship with Mr. Fetzer?

Rob Dew (01:16:22.000)

He was a guest, but not that frequently.

Bill Ogden (01:16:25.000)

Okay. Why did he start becoming a guest?

Rob Dew (01:16:30.000)

I believe he was a guest long before Sandy Hook. Okay. I don't even he may have come on once after Sandy Hook, but I don't even know if that is accurate. But he was not a frequent guest

Bill Ogden (01:16:45.000)

uses. So prior to Sandy Hook, he was just another believer in conspiracy theories, right.

Rob Dew (01:16:51.000)

I don't know what his beliefs are. But I imagined he's I don't know what his beliefs are, in terms of what you just said conspiracy theories.

Dan (01:17:00.000)

So I'm baffled. But Rob is correct. I mean, Fetzer would have been on more in the past because he had like JFK conspiracy theories. And like, he was someone who Alex did have on before. I'm not even positive that he ever came on after Sandy Hook. And I think the reason is, because he's so clearly unwell. Yeah. Like, I've seen interviews with him on Project Camelot. And he is somebody who is so obviously not credible as a witness that I don't think that Alex would ever want to have him on, in that that era in time. But there's a lot of information that traces back to him. That was easy to launder, right. And there were things that like were written that don't come off as immediately unhinged as seeing him rant and rave. Right. Would have been and so I think I think whether or not rob understands these dynamics or not, he's correct. I don't I don't know if Fetzer ever did come on afterwards. But he was a long standing guest. Yeah. Back into like the early 2000s, late 90s. Even maybe, yeah, like I found stuff on, like, archived pages of Alex's site of interviews with him. Yeah. from way back.

Jordan (01:18:18.000)

Here's here's a, here's a piece of advice for anybody in any kind of interrogation circumstance, or the like, if, on some questions, you have extremely long pauses that are noticed by the questioner. And on the other questions, you answer immediately. And with confidence, then perhaps that says something about the varying degrees of truthfulness between those two answers.

Dan (01:18:43.000)

It's possible. Yeah. So you might notice also, there's a little bit of it's not that it's surface level, but there's not as much depth to this. And that is because these depositions are being done on a pretty tight schedule. Yeah. So a lot of the other ones like later that got taken to go on for hours and hours. This was on a, I believe it was basically one hour for the Infowars LLC and two hours for this one. Wow. So it's there's not enough time to really drill into a ton of the the some of the substances that, you know, we see in some of the other depths, right. So, you know, you just have kind of like, who's Jim Fetzer who's

Jordan (01:19:26.000)

think of think of the broad side that they must have had, if they thought that the depositions were going to regularly be one or two hours. And then to have that jumped up to full day long to all those who knows what

Dan (01:19:41.000)

their expectations were heartbreaking. So Rob struggles in this next clip, when asked if Alex ever called the Sandy Hook families actors good question, because he did. Yes, he definitely did. We know and so did Rob. Yeah. But he gives it a shot.

Bill Ogden (01:20:00.000)

Between two December 2012. And today is Mr. Jones ever referred to parents as actors? And by parents, I mean the parents of the children that died at Sandy Hook Elementary School. I

Rob Dew (01:20:15.000)

believe you have, if you look at the footage, there's even law enforcement personnel referring to people as actors.

Bill Ogden (01:20:21.000)

Not my question in any shape, form or fashion. Uh huh. Has Mr. Jones ever reported that the parents of the dead children from Sandy Hook Elementary School were faking? And we're actors about this situation?

Rob Dew (01:20:42.000)

I do not believe he was referring to parents as

Jordan (01:20:51.000)

how are we doing here? I'm trying to finish

Rob Dew (01:20:53.000)

when he says acting. He's talking about coaching from the mainstream media and the way they paraded those poor people in front of the camera day after day after day.

Jordan (01:21:04.000)

So yeah, about taking people's so the answer is yes, then.

Bill Ogden (01:21:08.000)

Of course, sorry, to a breaking point. I am go I've got one to two follow up questions. As far as free speech is concerned, has anyone else in free speech said that parents were actors?

Rob Dew (01:21:23.000)

There's people who believe you all kinds of things during that show. There's some people that believed everything that was coming out of the, like you from the media was true. And there were some people that did not believe that. So there were, and we have open debates about those things, right? Because we believe that's the best place to have them is in the open.

Bill Ogden (01:21:48.000)

And by opening it on the show. Correct? So for instance, when you went on the show, and you said, I know, Robbie Parker is an actor. I'm an actor, I have a degree in theatre. Does that sound like a question? Are you making

Rob Dew (01:22:02.000)

a statement? I was referring to him preparing right before he began speaking.

Bill Ogden (01:22:07.000)

Sure. I asked the question of does that sound like a question or statement? Mr. Do?

Rob Dew (01:22:15.000)

That sounds like a statement that was based on experience

Bill Ogden (01:22:17.000)

and that we're doing that as an employee for free speech systems, correct. I believe we are allowed to make statements correct. And you are doing it on a show that is owned and produced by free speech systems Correct.

Rob Dew (01:22:42.000)

I made that statement.

Jordan (01:22:44.000)

Congrats.

Rob Dew (01:22:48.000)

By free speech systems, and I believed at the time when I was looking at what I was seeing that Robbie Parker was going through some sort of actor training.

Bill Ogden (01:23:03.000)

Not my question.

Jordan (01:23:05.000)

I don't know how I don't know how more we can do this. Sir. I'm asking you a question to which I want the answer. Right.

Dan (01:23:11.000)

Well, I mean, that's one way to go. I'm just gonna Scott. I think

Jordan (01:23:21.000)

he might as well be more successful.

Dan (01:23:25.000)

If it pleases the court, I will speak in beeps and boops.

Jordan (01:23:30.000)

You know, and it is it is exemplary of what they're good at, you know, they're good at if somebody asks them a question being like, I think cops also said they were actors. That's what they're good at. They can do that. But I am calling off the back of their

Dan (01:23:43.000)

bow. Imagine that's true in as much as somebody might say that people are actors in terms of like, performing action. Right, right. I'm a competent actor, or something like that. I could see somebody referring to somebody as an actor in that sense, right. But not in the sense that the that they're talking about, right? I mean, they are, you know, the same letters, right.

Jordan (01:24:07.000)

And it's like him be it's so childish. It's like, oh, well, the cop said it, why can't I say it? Like no, just to answer the fucking question. I don't care what you feel,

Dan (01:24:17.000)

right? It's it's obfuscation and misdirection. They're very good at that. That's what they're doing. That's 90% of the business model actually answering questions either true or false. Not good. Not good at it. No. And here comes another one. Okay, hot and ready. Across the plate. Here comes a meatball. There's a question about bit of reporting that Rob did himself and that was that they had sealed the death certificates of the children. Okay. And why did you report that good question

Bill Ogden (01:24:49.000)

that programming of February 12 2015. You personally were on a free speech systems program and said that they sealed all the deaths. certificates. You remember that? What was the date? February 12 2015?

Rob Dew (01:25:10.000)

I believe at the time, that is what I believed that they had blocked those because they felt they weren't releasing them to the public.

Bill Ogden (01:25:22.000)

What did you do to try and get it? Did you fill out a FOIA request?

Rob Dew (01:25:29.000)

I did not. Okay. What do you do

Bill Ogden (01:25:31.000)

to learn that they weren't giving them to the public?

Rob Dew (01:25:36.000)

I did internet searches. Looking for those. I don't know if I did it that day. I had done searches in the past looking for those because people were saying they're not providing the death certificates of these kids.

Bill Ogden (01:25:52.000)

You're a journalist, you're supposed to vet that information before he put it out onto the internet. Right. Objection has to for our backup. Are you a journalist?

Rob Dew (01:26:01.000)

I provide information are you

Bill Ogden (01:26:03.000)

do you consider yourself a journalist?

Rob Dew (01:26:05.000)

I think I wear a lot of hats.

Bill Ogden (01:26:06.000)

Do you wear a journalist hat?

Rob Dew (01:26:08.000)

I believe I do. Okay, nice hat.

Jordan (01:26:11.000)

Pulling fucking teeth. Yeah. Are you willing to

Dan (01:26:15.000)

do you consider yourself a journalist? I want money. Hey, do you were journalists that

Jordan (01:26:19.000)

yes, you know, I sing the songs of the journalist from time to time I have I have tripped the light fantastic. Oh, God, what are we doing? Yep. So say yes or no

Dan (01:26:30.000)

look, I heard on a bullshit message board. Right the the death certificates were sealed and I decided to repeat that shit. Yep, I don't give a fuck. I'm not checking into any of this stuff. Absolutely not. But here's how we're gonna. Here's how we're gonna save that. How are we gonna do we're gonna say it's common knowledge Get the fuck out. Yeah, wow. It's pretty solid stuff.

Bill Ogden (01:26:49.000)

So you got this information from some Google searches. Did you fill out Did you ever attempt to get a death certificate?

Rob Dew (01:26:58.000)

My I did not. Okay. Did I read that they were not there were sealing them. They would not release

Bill Ogden (01:27:04.000)

where were you reading this?

Rob Dew (01:27:06.000)

I couldn't give you the exact article there was

Jordan (01:27:09.000)

journalists never revealed the sources

Rob Dew (01:27:11.000)

I think it was common knowledge that they weren't releasing death certificates

Bill Ogden (01:27:16.000)

when you say common knowledge please tell us who that group of people would possibly think that was common knowledge

Jordan (01:27:37.000)

you're right I hang out with weirdos don't I? Huh?

Rob Dew (01:27:41.000)

Hello one doesn't come to mind

Jordan (01:27:54.000)

this this needs The Wonder Years style level of voiceover for his thoughts because they would be so funny.

Dan (01:28:02.000)

It's it's what I mean. You know what, what group am I going to come up with? Right?

Jordan (01:28:07.000)

And he's he's going through the Rolodex tossing them ways that a good idea. Now that one makes me look dumb. No, I don't like that one. The vets now that doesn't work on him Sandy Hook truthers. Yeah, that one does work. But that makes me look real bad. Can't see that. Yeah. You know what? I can't think of one one does not come to mind balls in your court now, sir.

Dan (01:28:31.000)

So not only was Rob saying that they'd sealed these, that certificate is common knowledge, common knowledge cannot come up with Yes, he went a step further. And in this clip, we learned he might have just made the Shut up.

Bill Ogden (01:28:46.000)

So you can't think of a single group of people who would think common knowledge was at the death certificates were being withheld. And we're sealed. Now that we've established that you went on to say in that same program on February 12, of 2015, that it was a felony to get those death certificates. Remember saying that?

Jordan (01:29:10.000)

No, I'd have to see the video I talked so much. Of course, I believe that it was a felony

Bill Ogden (01:29:14.000)

to get to order to do a FOIA requests and pay the 15 or $20 to get a death certificate.

Rob Dew (01:29:21.000)

I might have been I'd have to look at the video, but I was probably conflating several things together. One of which was a I believe was the head of the state police who came out and said we're gonna go after people who ask questions. I believe there's video that somewhere right, and that makes it a felony.

Bill Ogden (01:29:41.000)

Do you just make that up?

Rob Dew (01:29:49.000)

I don't believe I made

Bill Ogden (01:29:50.000)

that up. Okay. So you would have found a law somewhere. Right, that would have made it a felony.

Rob Dew (01:29:56.000)

Well, we're talking about something that was

Jordan (01:30:00.000)

Secret live years ago, years ago,

Bill Ogden (01:30:02.000)

so you would have been able to just go on the Internet back then and find a law that made it a felony Correct? Let me back up. I'll make this a lot easier, other than the police officer saying he's going to go after people for asking questions that you claim, he said, prosecutor, I believe prosecute Other than that, what could have led you to believe that doing a FOIA request for death certificates would have been a felony?

Rob Dew (01:30:30.000)

I think at the time, and that might have been information from a number of guests who were trying to get this information and were unable to.

Bill Ogden (01:30:39.000)

Okay, so you just took a bunch of information from everyone else did zero bedding and threw it out there as true. Direct objection as to form two probably

Jordan (01:30:50.000)

Yeah, the form is the troubling part for sure. That's the traveling

Dan (01:30:54.000)

so what you did is, Wolfgang, how big made up some shit? And you just reported that?

Jordan (01:31:01.000)

Yeah, I follow up. I thought we were doing a deposition. And now I feel like I'm in the principal's office row. That's, that makes me feel small.

Dan (01:31:10.000)

Well, you deserve a trip to the principal's office. Think it was a lot of sources. Guests. Oh, so they made it up. Cool. Great. Yeah. So the thing that appears to be a factual basis, there is Rob alleging that there was a cop who said that they were going to prosecute people who are asking questions. And this leads to the unfortunate realization that I think that Rob, and maybe all of Infowars ultimately, believe that asking questions and spreading misinformation are synonymous. Yeah, they do. They think it's the same thing. More or less. This comes up. And then Enoch shows back up, of

Jordan (01:31:54.000)

course, now's the time for that rescue. Yeah.

Bill Ogden (01:31:57.000)

Also, you said that the State Police was said he was coming after anybody that was asking questions, correct. That's what you just said earlier.

Rob Dew (01:32:04.000)

I believe they said false at putting out false information. Right. They considered false

Bill Ogden (01:32:08.000)

spreading misinformation, misinformation. Okay. I just wanted to clear that up. Because it wasn't people that were asking questions. It was people that were intentionally and willfully spreading misinformation. Correct.

Rob Dew (01:32:22.000)

And it was that statement that made us go. This is interesting. Now, why would they have a problem with people asking questions? Why cuz you could say ask you a question to spreading misinformation? No.

Bill Ogden (01:32:38.000)

Not questioning things. And then it comes out and said, This is as fake as a $3. Bill, you you and I already agreed? That's not a question. That's a statement. That is spreading a statement of misinformation. Correct.

Rob Dew (01:32:49.000)

But you're taking statements that are correct.

Bill Ogden (01:32:53.000)

Don't interrupt the deposition. Mr. Enoch,

Unknown Speaker (01:32:56.000)

please let the witness finish his question. Would you please answer? Would

Bill Ogden (01:32:58.000)

you do that placement struggling? If Mr. Barnes would like to do it as he's defending this deposition? And you're sitting over there? I'm happy to entertain anything Mr. Barnes has to say, because he's the one that is allowed to talk in this. Do you agree? Actually, can we pause this from the time let's say on the record? Do you agree that only one attorney in Texas gets to defend a deposition and speak? No, I'm asking the question, do you please don't interrupt me again. I'm interrupted you you just interrupted? In your deposition, I'm asking you, I see you agree with me that only in the pursuit of the rules, one attorney is allowed to defend a deposition? Would you please continue your deposition instructing? Are we just going to ignore the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure? Is that what we're doing? I want to know why you keep interrupting. And what's the basis for your deposition? I keep hearing you say those words, but are you just not going to answer you're just gonna keep interrupting and being an obstructionist. I think you ought to go ahead and ask the questions to the witness and take your deposition, sir. Okay. But before I go forward, I just want you to know everything you're saying is his job. If he's not doing it, talk to him, and he can do his job. But your team decided he was defending these depositions, not you?

Dan (01:34:21.000)

Yep. If you get the sense. I mean, because this is two different depositions. Yeah, you get the sense that Enoch just shouldn't be allowed in the room. He shouldn't. He clearly can't control himself. But it's a choice. Exactly. You don't get to the position. In in life of, you know, being a like head like pretty high up at a law firm with that kind of impulse control. issue. You know, you it's a decision that he's making to be obstructionist in this. He's trying to derail things. And he just his behavior is such that you He just shouldn't be allowed in the room.

Jordan (01:35:01.000)

Yeah, I mean, he's doing his best to. I mean, both influence the client, as well as the lawyers. Yeah. Trying to Oh, yeah. He's trying to do all this. And then just as I suggest you cut FOC. You, right? Are you? Are you in the mafia? I suggest you continue your deposition.

Dan (01:35:21.000)

I suggest Barnes do something. Yeah, he's the one who's supposed to be doing it. It gives me money for his job. So it's not a felony to look for these dancers. Yeah. And it turns out that, though, Rob, apparently only learned that as we're going to find out in the scope that he could get those death certificates if he wanted to very easily, right. Turns out, he learned that in 2018, but someone tweeted him about it, and years earlier. Oh, so

Bill Ogden (01:35:49.000)

I'm asking you, when did you learn that you can order the death certificates online?

Rob Dew (01:36:08.000)

Say maybe sometime during 2018.

Bill Ogden (01:36:10.000)

Okay, were you? Because there's

Rob Dew (01:36:13.000)

not something we covered every day? On Twitter? I am still on Twitter.

Bill Ogden (01:36:18.000)

Is it dues news? Dues with an S News with a Z? Correct? Do you get multiple tweets from a person named CWA that was telling you that you can order the dust tickets online? Back in November of 2016?

Rob Dew (01:36:35.000)

I may have I just because somebody sends you something on Twitter to read it. Okay. Then I respond to him.

Bill Ogden (01:36:44.000)

Do you know who CWA does? Oh, boy, no. You do not know who CW eight is?

Unknown Speaker (01:36:53.000)

I don't? I don't know. Is

Rob Dew (01:36:54.000)

that a Twitter name? Or is that a somebody's name?

Bill Ogden (01:36:56.000)

That is seed at CW Wade's with an S and CWA and as the name The name of the person. You're testifying under oath, right penalty of perjury that you don't have CW waiters?

Rob Dew (01:37:09.000)

Are you asking me if I've met him in person? Do you know who that is? sitting here right now? I do not know who that is? Do you have a picture of me with him? I don't. That's my question.

Dan (01:37:20.000)

So see who it is a pseudonym that was used by somebody who was a volunteer at the honor network. And they did a lot of correcting Sandy Hook misinformation online. So this is somebody that very much would have been sparring a bit with Info Wars around this time. Right, right. It's understandable. I guess that maybe Rob wouldn't recognize the name. But it also is probable that they've complained about CWA in the past. Yeah. Yeah. So it is interesting to nail that down.

Jordan (01:37:53.000)

So if I understand correctly, Rob, the reason that you didn't follow up on these tweets is because you don't just trust things people put on the internet.

Dan (01:38:04.000)

Well, there's that or presumably he's like, delusioned with messages. shareable. Wow. Just drops news. You know, there's a lot of a lot of people hitting them up share tips naturally? Course. So he doesn't know who CWA it is. But it turns out, Rob also doesn't know who another person is.

Bill Ogden (01:38:24.000)

Jonathan Reich or ratio ratio? No, that is? No, R E IC H. Jonathan? Ich, that name doesn't ring a bell?

Rob Dew (01:38:38.000)

I think I've heard the name. But I don't know if I've had any communication with Jonathan.

Bill Ogden (01:38:43.000)

Do you have any understanding of who that is?

Rob Dew (01:38:51.000)

I'm imagine he's involved in this somehow.

Bill Ogden (01:38:54.000)

But according to free speech systems. After reviewing all of the produced documents that are listed in Topic number 10, you don't have any other information on him. Is that what you're testifying to?

Rob Dew (01:39:12.000)

I imagine he is some ancillary person, that you're going to try to entrap me with some sort of gotcha moment.

Bill Ogden (01:39:20.000)

Definitely not trying to do that. I'm just curious as to what you know, then if you prepared and reviewed the documents that were produced in this case, so that we can talk about that man, because it comes up hundreds of times in dozens, if not hundreds of documents. So I should Are you prepared to talk about who that is? Or do you just think you may have heard the name once or twice before? Oh, mask?

Rob Dew (01:39:46.000)

Yeah, I don't recall hearing I don't recall hearing the name in any major capacity at all. Okay, I may have heard the name but I can't recall it this time.

Bill Ogden (01:39:55.000)

Did you review any documents that had his name in it preparing for this deputy? Specifically,

Rob Dew (01:40:02.000)

I don't recall Jonathan Wright being a I looked at a lot of documents, and I've been looking at documents recall his name jumping out in any substantial capacity.

Dan (01:40:16.000)

Jonathan Reich is somebody who harassed a bunch of people, including the medical examiner in New Town. Yeah. And yeah, so he is somebody who factors heavily into a lot of the documents that Rob should have, presumably reviewed, you think clearly didn't

Jordan (01:40:33.000)

know he's he's read a lot of documents. And he read a lot of this and they're there. You know, here's the thing about documents and words. Rob doesn't know how to read. That's my new theory. That's the only thing I've got. Or this is not possible so averse

Dan (01:40:49.000)

to it. Yeah, exactly. Perhaps

Jordan (01:40:51.000)

he's allergic. Yeah, could be allergic could be some sort of actual allergy would

Dan (01:40:55.000)

be like cactus. Tony

Jordan (01:40:58.000)

is allergic to paper. Exactly. And he can't afford an iPad. He only makes $400,000 a year or something. I

Dan (01:41:04.000)

don't know Rob's but you know, his preparation should have involved these documents that would have led him to know or at least be familiar with the name Jonathan rise yet think but he didn't and whatever. But also part at least

Jordan (01:41:21.000)

we know that when he gets another shot at it, he's really going to be on top of he's going to crush it the second time around that's what he needed. He just needed a mulligan Yeah,

Dan (01:41:29.000)

part of his preparation for this apparently was watching some videos okay, and that's a problem but for reasons that will be discussed okay. And lead to barns getting involved of course and starting a fight of course,

Rob Dew (01:41:43.000)

I couldn't give you a exact number of are you looking for eight hour days segments or total? Will you want to

Bill Ogden (01:41:48.000)

give it to me in hours you can give it to me in days and give it to me in minutes? Just curious of how much time you spent preparing for right now? Because it seems like you're slightly not prepared to talk about some names that are literally mentioned hundreds of times in the document in the little documents we've gotten seems like he reviewed some documents we haven't gotten

Unknown Speaker (01:42:12.000)

does seem like that.

Bill Ogden (01:42:14.000)

I'm just trying to figure out how much time

Jordan (01:42:21.000)

over under the length of total pauses How much time did you spend preparing

Rob Dew (01:42:30.000)

I'd say maybe six total days but spread out

Bill Ogden (01:42:34.000)

eight hour days.

Rob Dew (01:42:35.000)

If you're Yes,

Bill Ogden (01:42:36.000)

so you've spent 40 hours reviewing documents

Rob Dew (01:42:43.000)

reviewing video and finding video

Bill Ogden (01:42:45.000)

okay are you having to find the requested says what's been produced and lawyers producing we know exactly what videos or no videos have been produced right? Yeah, what videos were you reviewing? Oh boy didn't reproduce into videos right? Yeah. videos where you produced what are you reviewing?

Robert Barnes (01:43:04.000)

objection is to form and misstating facts on the record Okay, videos were produced and you have them in voluminous quality which you previously misled the court on we'll get to that at a later date.

Bill Ogden (01:43:14.000)

Let's back up

Robert Barnes (01:43:16.000)

you can let me say for the record all of the demonstrative laughing over the top reactions of Mr. Banks in his highly unprofessional

Robert Barnes (01:43:31.000)

demonstrative childlike behavior, responding to a witness, JUST DO IT professional police

Bill Ogden (01:43:38.000)

after yesterday. That's where we're gonna go with this mystery.

Robert Barnes (01:43:42.000)

After yesterday after the outrageous behavior yesterday of Mr. Bankston, who was in YouTube laughing together repeatedly joking with each other

Jordan (01:43:50.000)

repeatedly, you guys.

Robert Barnes (01:43:52.000)

That's what we're talking about. There's gonna be no, it's on the witness. I mean, now that that's the kind of nonsense we're dealing with. All I'm asking is not to behave with Haha, you know, talking with each other laughing trying to look at the witness and laugh it's unprofessional. I just this is not brain surgery. Um, so are you saying that's what Texas standards aren't Texas standards are behaving at the lowest possible ethical level in a way that makes lawyers look like a caricature.

Bill Ogden (01:44:18.000)

Um, so far. Mr. Barnes says, So what?

Jordan (01:44:21.000)

Are you in a mirror? I

Robert Barnes (01:44:22.000)

request Mr. Banks, Quit laughing and, and behaving in a demonstrative way toward the witness repeatedly. That's all I'm asking. Thank you. We understand

Bill Ogden (01:44:34.000)

all those words.

Robert Barnes (01:44:38.000)

reasonable request,

Bill Ogden (01:44:41.000)

we would make a comment on the reasonableness of what you just did. But we will talk about number 10. Actually, let's back up because you just made a representation. Just want this on the record, or is your position that any of the defendants in this He's have produced videos to us. Yes. Okay. Every video that we have, we had to find ourselves.

Dan (01:45:07.000)

So this becomes a little bit of a thing at the end of the deposition. Barnes and mark both put some stuff on the record. Yeah. And hash this out. Okay. And it turns out that Barnes's position is that they have turned over literally everything. And that is because everything's online. Well, no, Mark, and Bill, and the folks at the law firm, have gone and found a bunch of videos on their own. And it's not the Infowars obligation to create duplicates for them of stuff that they've already found. So that's one thing. And then the second thing is that they have directed them to TV dot info wars.com and said, Hey, here's all of the videos. We've turned over all of the videos because we gave you this link. Right. And that is all bullshit. Yeah. But that's Barnes's position of the voluminous quality. We've turned over literally every video

Jordan (01:46:02.000)

Barnes complaining about another lawyer turning lawyers into a caricature, right? Bananas town? Yeah, a delight. Yeah, this is just not of course, you think that bar engaged in

Dan (01:46:15.000)

denial and delusion? Oh, my God, dude, my best Barnes impression with words that start with the same letter. So yeah, Barnes sucks. So we have a couple more clips here. And it's basically the way things wrap up with a discussion of whether or not people should be held responsible for things right.

Jordan (01:46:31.000)

Just a general does responsibility matter in the world we inhabit?

Dan (01:46:35.000)

Sure. Yeah. That's sort of where we begin. Gotcha. Do

Bill Ogden (01:46:38.000)

you agree with me that it's, it would that people should be held responsible if they spread misinformation? Do you agree with that statement?

Rob Dew (01:46:49.000)

If they're knowingly spreading misinformation,

Bill Ogden (01:46:52.000)

so as long as they stay ignorant, and don't verify that it's false, it should be okay for somebody to spread misinformation is that your story? Objective is to a form. I'm just trying to your understanding. So your understanding?

Rob Dew (01:47:19.000)

Don't believe we intentionally spread misinformation?

Bill Ogden (01:47:21.000)

I didn't just ask that I said, as long as someone doesn't verify that something's false and spreads that information, should they be responsible for spreading misinformation?

Robert Barnes (01:47:32.000)

Good for him?

Jordan (01:47:53.000)

long pause

Jordan (01:48:02.000)

What was your question? Again? I think the answer to your question is I'm a good little boy.

Rob Dew (01:48:10.000)

I think that's a hard question to answer. But I maintained that we never intentionally spread misinformation or tried to hurt any parents,

Bill Ogden (01:48:23.000)

right? So as long as you reckless and not intentional. That's where your line starts to get a little murky. No,

Rob Dew (01:48:30.000)

I'm not saying that. Okay, that's what you're saying. Okay.

Bill Ogden (01:48:33.000)

If you don't verify information, and you start spreading it, and it is false, should that person be responsible for spreading misinformation? It's all I'm asking.

Rob Dew (01:48:43.000)

For. I think you're making the assumption that there's only one source of verification, and I'm maintaining that sometimes there are multiple sources of verification.

Bill Ogden (01:48:57.000)

I'm not even saying either, though.

Jordan (01:48:59.000)

I didn't say any of it. I

Dan (01:49:02.000)

think what Rob is saying is, hey, you know, there's multiple realities. Yes.

Jordan (01:49:06.000)

That's what he said. You're saying, Listen, you can believe in your reality and I'll believe in mine, and there's no way possible for some sort of objective reality to exist.

Dan (01:49:15.000)

I verified all this in crazy town.

Jordan (01:49:17.000)

Yeah. I'm the mayor there. Yeah. They love me. Why would I come to your house? You suck your meeting, making me feel bad about believing nonsense. I will

Dan (01:49:28.000)

listen to weirdos like, Fetzer and how big you can listen to the Clinton news network if you like. All right, man.

Jordan (01:49:35.000)

Oh, man. Just hearing Kevin meany. And so that's not right.

Dan (01:49:41.000)

There's no responsibility that you're gonna get here. Really? You don't if you try to approach it from the abstract position? Yep, Rob's not going to give you a satisfactory answer. And then when you ask it free speech systems, you're responsible. It's also not going to go great. Yeah, just

Bill Ogden (01:49:59.000)

freeze beach systems? Do they accept responsibility for spreading misinformation about anything Sandy Hook related?

Bill Ogden (01:50:17.000)

Sitting here today, not at the time I'm sitting here right now, looking back

Rob Dew (01:50:24.000)

what I think we were doing was seeing how this is being used politically. And it's a shame that people's parents or parents of dead kids were being used to push a political narrative. But I think we had to point that out that that was being done.

Bill Ogden (01:50:39.000)

Okay. My question was looking back, the information that was spread that is now we can agree wrong. Does Info Wars or just free speech systems accept responsibility for?

Rob Dew (01:50:59.000)

At this point, I will accept responsibility for defending the First and Second Amendment.

Jordan (01:51:05.000)

God these people are

Dan (01:51:06.000)

fucking insane. Right. But I 100% think that that is a line that he thought is going to be totally Liberty

Jordan (01:51:15.000)

given that that's 100% His likes,

Dan (01:51:18.000)

quotable moment, yeah. This is when I stand up and I say fuck you to power.

Jordan (01:51:23.000)

Alex is going to say Thomas Jefferson said that in his deposition,

Dan (01:51:28.000)

Alex is gonna get a tattoo of that. And then it says, Jefferson underneath and I get a raise. You're gonna pat me on the head.

Jordan (01:51:36.000)

I'm gonna be a good boy.

Dan (01:51:38.000)

Instead, it sounds. exam stress. Yeah, really? Yeah. The only thing I think I'll take responsibility take ownership of is that I stood up for the Second Amendment right? Damn, Ryan, you are disconnected at all from the conversation that is going on.

Jordan (01:51:53.000)

So in retrospect, looking back now that you know, you hit that person with a car. All right. Are you going to take responsibility for that murder?

Dan (01:52:01.000)

I will say that I made a great stance for the Sixth Amendment and the third and the 20. Which one's the one about prohibition? The 13th 15th Maybe? I don't know which one and does prohibition because that's

Jordan (01:52:19.000)

the one right after. There's there's two amendments that are directly back to back. Maybe no booze? Yes, please. Oops.

Dan (01:52:29.000)

That's when I was standing up for when I hit the guy with car because I was dropped. That sounds right. So yeah, this is this is this is what we got. This is when he first amendment when he first amendment. Wow. This later than you thought I was dying, I

Jordan (01:52:45.000)

assumed I assumed that we had gotten that one knocked out pretty early.

Dan (01:52:49.000)

So do and actually the 18th was the one that did prohibition. Yeah. Wasn't the next one. Oh, damn,

Jordan (01:52:55.000)

I'm way off. It took some time. What was the amendments in between?

Dan (01:52:58.000)

I don't know. Oh, look, here's the deal. Yeah. Rob, do sucks. But it's shocking to hear this. And then know that the next time wasn't better. Yeah. There wasn't any more preparation there. It's it's a rank disrespect. Yeah, just one instance. Like this is pretty disrespectful, and, and bad. But then to know that, like, you just think like, well, we can do that again. Is

Jordan (01:53:24.000)

I mean, yeah, that that cannot be, you know, like, that's deliberate. Barnes is aware of what's going on. Yeah, he's even made points in this deposition, where he probably shouldn't be talking

Dan (01:53:37.000)

in the same way that Enoch knows what he's doing by disrupting Barnes knows what he's doing by allowing Rob to show up completely unprepared. Right, as the corporate representative there is. And that's why this led to large fines and ultimately down the road was a large portion of the contributing to a default judgment. Yeah. You know, like it's it is it's, they're cognizant of the way that this is playing out in the legal procedure.

Jordan (01:54:07.000)

Yeah. And it's very much it's, it's almost hypocritical, you might say, for there to be a three strikes laws for people who are under the law, but people who work there, oh, sure, we'll do another deposition. And we'll do okay. Six more depositions. And we're gonna think you guys need a default judgment,

Dan (01:54:28.000)

we will need 30. So, I mean, we reinforced the awareness that we have that Enoch sucks, yep. We get some great do content, the pauses, amazing the testifying on behalf of free speech systems that lands have may not have acted alone.

Jordan (01:54:47.000)

Oh, great. Not knowing what Infowars is,

Dan (01:54:50.000)

or why Infowars LLC

Jordan (01:54:52.000)

exists or that there's a comma before LLC in all LLCs

Dan (01:54:57.000)

pretty wild Yeah, um, All a good time. And another trip to deposition.

Jordan (01:55:06.000)

It's so insane. It's I can't get my head around that that's not the like. Yep, that that's not like the FIP boy

Dan (01:55:15.000)

wild. We'll be back Jordan, but until then we have what we do. It's all right.com Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo MD ZX Clark. I'm also Dan but I've run out of times that Alex said Dan, to have clips, so I'm gonna have to go hunting for more. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.