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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:59.000)

Everybody looks like no dread. I'm Dan. I'm George workable dudes sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed, we are Dan Jordan, Georgia.

Jordan (00:01:10.000)

And a quick question for you. What's your blind spot today but

Dan (00:01:13.000)

my bright spot today Jordan is that I was exercising the other day and so that means I got a chance to listen to some music more music than I generally listen to right. And I determined what my taste in music is. And I can describe it and I will not explain any further. I will give you this explanation or this description. And that is I cannot explain it any further than how I am going to articulate

Jordan (00:01:38.000)

it. Okay, all right. Oh, you are going to? I kind of thought you were going to be like and that's the sad

Dan (00:01:46.000)

as possible, and then I will not explain it.

Jordan (00:01:48.000)

Okay. I won't ask you any question. I appreciate. Okay, I promise you

Dan (00:01:52.000)

my ideal sort of music. Ah, is the kind of thing that you could see me sliding sideways into a room wearing a cape to that is the sweet spot. Did I will not explain.

Jordan (00:02:12.000)

I am not asking questions. I'm just imagining

Dan (00:02:17.000)

there might be a spotlight involved when I slide into the room with a spotlight in the cape.

Jordan (00:02:24.000)

Can I ask questions about the the type of slide? Yeah. Okay.

Dan (00:02:28.000)

And ask questions about the music you can ask.

Jordan (00:02:32.000)

That's what I want to ask questions about obviously, go ahead. Are we doing? Are we doing like Risky Business slide? Are we doing like full on? Socks? No. No. Are you sidling? Are you like almost dip in the shoulder down as you kind of

Dan (00:02:46.000)

see the shoulder being a little bit down? take place? Sure. When Oh, well. Yeah, I think the footwork is mysterious by design. Sure. No one knows what's going on with my feet because they're too distracted by the

Jordan (00:02:59.000)

light on your your dancing. Oh, yeah. Okay, gotcha. Gotcha. Like you're

Dan (00:03:07.000)

also everyone's super excited about me entering the room. And of course, that's also part of the vibe.

Jordan (00:03:14.000)

Final question. Is there a flourish? Do you throw the cape about No,

Dan (00:03:19.000)

no flavor? No, no,

Jordan (00:03:21.000)

the cape is just there.

Dan (00:03:22.000)

Yeah. It is. Alright. It is almost incidental but that is related to how the music is kind of where she was there is a confusing nest Yeah. There's a there's a mysterious ominous Miss to the existence of this case.

Jordan (00:03:38.000)

How would you describe this song? It's a little bit like wearing a cape

Jordan (00:03:48.000)

I realized that why you don't exercise too much. I get it. My braids, but I've enjoyed Fire Emblem engage a great yeah, I've been enjoying playing.

Dan (00:03:58.000)

I heard you streamed a little Yeah,

Jordan (00:04:00.000)

yeah. It's very fun. It's really cool to do that. Some people have been hanging out and watching and talking. And it's been cool. But the game you know what I realized? When all those reviews where people are like, Oh, they cut down on all the talking and all that stuff, as I've been going through it, and they absolutely have. But I realized about the last games like most of the time, I read those conversations, but I couldn't. It was like, conversations with my co workers from like, five years ago, where I'd be like, oh, yeah, totally. And then five seconds later, if you asked me to report what that person had said to me, I would be like, I have no clue. I don't know if I heard a word they said.

Dan (00:04:39.000)

But was it the case that it gave you a general sense of who these other characters were? Gave you a characterization of them even if you didn't remember the conversation?

Jordan (00:04:47.000)

Yeah. And the same thing is true. Now. You you can kind of read one sentence one page of text and you're like, Oh, I got it. And then we move on. You know, you don't have to read four or five pages of text.

Dan (00:04:57.000)

I mean, that's good. I agree. worry that I think it was a little too much in the last last one could ban I think it actually in three houses. It made me not want to get closer to some of the characters because I knew that I was just going oh my god, I'm gonna have to talk to these people. Yeah. Which was maybe it says more about me than just about the game. Yeah, I've only gotten a little bit of a chance to dig in because I've had a lot of bales in us to attend to but the little bit I've played has been fun. It's fun. Yeah, I like that. That combat is fun turn Bayes net fun stuff. Yeah, I like rings, oh, man,

Jordan (00:05:35.000)

but the being able to move the character within the instead of having to go each by each square, you know, being able to direct to the character. That is such a huge thing. That like playing it. I was like, I can't believe

Dan (00:05:49.000)

that. That's like how Mario and Rabbids was? Yeah, you can you can do that. The instead of just clicking on a square to move to you can move around within the available square. So

Jordan (00:06:00.000)

yeah, fantastic.

Dan (00:06:02.000)

It's fun. I look forward to digging into it a little more. And so Jordan today we have an episode to go over. And before we get into anything, I do have to say that I'm sorry that our last episode was under an hour. That's you know, that is? That is really short.

Alex Jones (00:06:17.000)

And you're a traitor. Damn,

Dan (00:06:19.000)

I know, I know. I'm a traitor to the cause of long episodes. Oh, I always prefer to at least, you know, hit an hour, but I also don't think it's necessary to force it. Whatever. Anyway, today we have an episode. And hopefully we'll hit that our mark. And if not, then I will explain my musical tastes.

Jordan (00:06:39.000)

Any further depth we will find

Dan (00:06:43.000)

Oh, explain how wild wild west fits into the boy Oh, boy. No. Today, there was something that I was obsessed with over the weekend. And sort of the end of last week. I obsessed is putting it strongly but something that was really getting my attention I was really interested in and that is you know what the drama going on with Steven Crowder and the daily wire. Okay, I

Jordan (00:07:09.000)

heard one thing about it. I saw like one screenshot of a tweet. And then I ran away. So Steven Crowder was offered $50 million contract by the daily wire. So far, so good. And then he said no. And then from here on we have manufactured a large number of squabbles, if that's what I understand, correct?

Dan (00:07:29.000)

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I Okay, so there's the, we'll get into exactly what's happened. But there is an aspect of this that touches on and implicates Alex's world in a way that I think is really interesting. Okay. And that's kind of what I want to talk about. today. I want to talk about what happened, the dynamics, the bullshit, but also more importantly, how it intersects with our stuff. And a fantasy that I have. About what about wearing a cape? Before we get into any of this, Jordan, let's take a little moment say hello to some new ones. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, mule nerves. Sixth party operation. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

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So we start here we're going to be talking about is actually January 20. Okay, Friday's show on Alex's Infowars. beguiled, verboten transmission. The illegal information the globalist will not let you have here's Andrew Napolitano on in the fourth hour. Judge Napolitano

Jordan (00:09:47.000)

is he he goes on in for still Yep. Wow.

Dan (00:09:51.000)

Well, I think it's gonna be a

Jordan (00:09:51.000)

fire to fall. Yeah, that's what I would say but it'd be like eight I thought after after you get fired at Fox. You don't go on and you know, you just you're just like I'm above

Dan (00:10:01.000)

that some people are hungry for the game. They live for the sport. That's fair. And then he also has an interview with that guy who worked at Eco Health Alliance, who's a whistleblower on COVID. But she also didn't work at Eco eco Health Alliance at the appropriate times and also didn't work in the fields that are relevant. Yeah, so anyway, I don't care about that stuff. But we start here on the 20th. And Alex has some big news.

Alex Jones (00:10:27.000)

And guess what legislators were introduced from the Democrats in the new Congress. We covered this two years ago. Two days ago, we told you was coming two years ago, 20 years ago. And they say, in the legislation, if you talk bad about anyone of color, five years in prison federal crime, it actually says that the bill if you deny climate change, prison time, and we play the clip share where the deputy head of the EU unelected bureaucracy says, looking towards the Republican Congressman sitting next to him, we know soon you will be passing the law to outlaw any hate speech in America and the Republican former member of the J six committee nods his head. Yep.

Dan (00:11:13.000)

So if you introduce a reviewer you insult in any way a person of color you're in jail for five years,

Jordan (00:11:20.000)

what level of insults are we like me? But like legitimate criticism? Is that cool five years like, hey, Tiger Woods could lean into a little bit more and maybe wouldn't hurt his back? Is that is

Dan (00:11:37.000)

any criticism anything? Destructive criticism, five years in prison? Okay, this show is fucking stupid. Yes. So anyway, Alex can barely do the news on his show, because it's so big. Well,

Jordan (00:11:53.000)

I mean, he's, he's risking five years in prison every time he opens his mouth. If this is true, he's

Dan (00:11:57.000)

gonna get life every day.

Alex Jones (00:12:00.000)

The newsy show off the chain, that I rarely have this happen. I'm having trouble doing the show right now. Okay, I'm like a dog in a butcher shop. And there's all these cuts of a like a hurry for salivating and confused and not even knowing what to do next. Because the cuts of meat to me are exposing evil and stopping them. And I don't know how I do this justice. I mean, this is just unbelievable. What's coming out. The Democratic Party is now officially endorsing pedophilia.

Dan (00:12:28.000)

Oh, wow. So you can't get five years in prison if you person of color right. And now the Democrats have introduced a bill supporting pedophilia, this actually

Jordan (00:12:40.000)

this issue is intense. Yeah, this is

Dan (00:12:43.000)

like thank God, it's not real. To be a horrible world to live in.

Jordan (00:12:51.000)

Who's who is running figs in this topsy turvy? You know, like, this is Mad Hatter level. Oh, man. No, but I mean, we're talking. This is a crazy person who's like, ah, make fun of a black person and you die.

Dan (00:13:06.000)

Like what are we doing? He just did an amazing Klaus Schwab impression. It's probably Alex's read his book. And that's what a bunch of nonsense. Yeah. So anyway, I just find myself really uninspired by information that Alex has to put out. Because if we're if this is the news that's being reported, yeah. Then i What are you doing? Right? That's right. So dumb. So he brings up the fight between Crowder and the daily wire. And I thought, thank God, because I was worried he wasn't going to talk about it prior for I would have no way to really transition into talking about it, shoehorn it in, right. But thankfully, Alex, does that work for me nice.

Alex Jones (00:13:48.000)

We have got this site that we're hearing between Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro. And normally that flies below the radar. That's not big enough for us to talk about, but it's a window into how the control works. And I'm on Steven Crowder side and all this because I know the inside baseball that said the daily wire has so many good people that are Patriot shattered, who I like that I think just the signals goodness of the liberty movement is so powerful that even Ben Shapiro, and Crenshaw and the rest of them cannot suppress it. So I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But if you really want to know what's going on there, I'm gonna tell you a little bit later in the hour.

Dan (00:14:34.000)

So this was all I could think about this weekend in terms of preparing the show for us to do I wanted to do an episode about Crowder in this fight because I really do think that it's relevant to the conversation that this podcast is engaged in, but I didn't know how to do it unless Alex got involved. Right. And thankfully, he did exactly that. The door is now open for me to talk at length about my feelings regarding this whole right wing media chaos. The first thing I want to point out though, is that Alex is not above talking about petty drama, that's a very large portion of his shows content, possibly second only to ranting about made up headlines.

Jordan (00:15:06.000)

I mean, if let's in one of my favorite DJ Dan Turkey remixes, Alex explicitly says that God told him to go after Glenn Beck so petty shit is

Dan (00:15:16.000)

wheelhouse when I first heard about what Crowder was up to the thought I had immediately was the Alex needed to side with Crowder, this is a perfect opportunity for Alex and there are a number of reasons why which I'll get to as we go along. I realized that many people probably have no idea what Steven Crowder has been doing. So here's a little recap. For a while now, Stephen has worked for Glenn Beck's network, the blaze. Crowder has a large audience on YouTube, but he's also demonetised on there and his exclusive membership group the mug Club was run through the blaze. Steven is no longer with the blaze. But toward the end of his time there he was apparently entertaining offers for who wanted to buy his whole thing. The daily wire put in an introductory offer that was very generous to the tune of $50 million over four years. The offer was a starting point and potential negotiations and overall is a pretty standard sounding contract for a lot of the things that even Crowder was complaining about great real basic stuff. Okay. I know the details of this contract, because Jeremy boring, the head of daily wired decided to reveal it all after being called out by Crowder. Yeah,

Jordan (00:16:24.000)

fuck you Crowder.

Dan (00:16:25.000)

Also, let's just deal with this up top guy's name is boring. The real fun oh,

Jordan (00:16:29.000)

I genuinely I genuinely didn't even make that connection. Oh,

Dan (00:16:34.000)

well, he's born. Anyway, essentially, Stephen misunderstood or intentionally misrepresented various aspects of the offer to make it appear as if the daily wire was in bed with big tech, and they were doing their bidding. For instance, the offer specified that if Stephen got kicked off social media platforms for something he said his pay would be decreased. Obviously, this makes sense because the company would be making less money as a result of the ban and their business. Right? They take a hit and so does Stephen. In Stephens mind. This was the daily wire saying that big tech, hey, we'll do your job for you. We'll punish Stephen on your behalf like they're, they're in cahoots with the social media moderators to decrease Steven salary. To me it sounds

Jordan (00:17:19.000)

more like if you would put in a contract. Like if you hit Dave in the foot with your car, you have to you have to pay for it to fix Dave's foot.

Dan (00:17:28.000)

Well, now you're you're just doing big farmers job for them by saying that I have to pay for his foot.

Jordan (00:17:33.000)

You know what? You're right. I'm on Crowder site.

Dan (00:17:37.000)

Jeremy boring goes over in great detail these clauses in the contract. And it makes total sense. I mean, like the, the essential aspect of it is, we're paying a lot of money to invest in you. And we need to make money back. Right. So the places we're going to make money back are advertising on YouTube, right? Advertising on social media and stuff like this, these are the places that we're going to make a pack. Now, if you are no longer able to use those things, then we can't make that money back. And we're not going to hold the entire bag Raheel split that with you put the responsibility but Your pay will go down a little bit. Yeah, it's not a punishment. It's just a reality of business. And it makes total sense.

Jordan (00:18:19.000)

If you make less money than we make less money, I feel like then you should get paid less. And I should do it. It makes sense.

Dan (00:18:25.000)

Yeah, it's very fundamental stuff. Yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself a little bit. So this offer was actually sent a while back. And it's only now becoming an issue which I will play a clip from Jeremy borings video and let him explain it,

Jeremy Boreing (00:18:40.000)

we reach out to the agent, we say that we'd like to have a conversation with Steve and kind of get into the details of What's he looking for? What's he looking for financially? What's he looking for in terms of structure? What would make his life better would make him happy. You know, he's, he's got this opportunity. Now to have a next chapter what you want that next chapter to be. And Stephens agent, candidly, just wasn't interested in any aspect of that conversation. He only wanted to know about the money, he said, you know, we're not going to have a conversation, we're gonna have some abstract talk, we're gonna send us an offer, tell us how much money you're willing to pay. And he gave us an indication of what the minimum number would have to be in order to even have a discussion with Stephen. And it's a big number. So we talked about it internally. And we decided, yeah, we should do that which had send over an opening offer a non binding term sheet that takes a stab at what we think that that minimum number is going to be to get the conversation started. So we can sit down with Steven so that we can see if, if there's a deal, they'd be good for him and good for us. And that's what we did we, we put together the term sheet. We sent it over, and we asked if we could get on the phone and have a conversation with Steven.

Dan (00:19:42.000)

So this is all very sensible from a business perspective. This is what people do. Yeah, ultimately, they couldn't reach a deal because Crowder wanted a fuck ton of money. Yeah. then months later, Stephen reached back out Oh, to know here's here's in the hand. Well, not really. Okay.

Jeremy Boreing (00:20:00.000)

Stephen implied that he not only didn't like this 12 and a half million dollar a year number that I offered him, but that he thought it should be closer to $30 million here, that's $120 million over four years, just for the Steven show, I would still have to spend those 10s of millions of dollars every year that I told you about on things like marketing and infrastructure and technology to support the show the part that Stephens never done, as soon as he said that I knew we'll never get to a deal. I can't, I can't guarantee $30 million a year.

Jordan (00:20:30.000)

I don't know 12.5 I feel like we're having the wrong conversation here.

Jeremy Boreing (00:20:36.000)

$20 million, is an incalculable risk for a company, our size. And again, I'm not saying Stephen isn't worth it, I hope he is I hope he builds his own business, he'll make a ton of mistakes, he'll find out that he's wrong about a lot of how the business world works. They'll learn and he'll growth, he's a smart, talented guy. And I hope he gets to a place where he's proving me wrong, and he's making all that money. But that just was not a deal that the daily wire could possibly make. And we'd have to pay it, even if he lost all the revenue. Or even if he lost enormous chunks of the revenue. It was just an impossible situation. And so Steven said we're gonna throw this deal out, not even gonna mark it up not gonna negotiate it.

Dan (00:21:20.000)

So real quick that What are you saying there if he loses all the revenue, another part of the deal that Steven took issue with was that if all of your sponsors are a certain amount, enough of your sponsors leave, right and we can't replace them within 90 days, right? Then you lose a certain amount of the money that you're gonna get from this contract, which again, makes sense at that Stephen said was a him just say daily wire saying to the left, hey, boycotts

Jordan (00:21:45.000)

work. It does. It does feel like you listen, what's what's really going on? Is Stephen is saying, I want you to give me all the money. Yeah, and take all the risk and and that's all my money is guaranteed no matter what. Yeah, I wanna know, the game. I don't want to have to work hard. I don't want anything to make me do a hammock. What if I just did a five minute show? You would still have to pay me 120 million?

Dan (00:22:12.000)

Yeah, yeah, I want everything.

Jordan (00:22:15.000)

I mean, come on, buddy. Yeah,

Jeremy Boreing (00:22:18.000)

start over send me a new deal. And because of his talent, and because of our friendship, I thought about it for a minute. Talk to my partners about it for a few minutes. I just realized what I already knew in my heart, which is Stephens, not a team player. That's not a knock. He has an enormous individual talent. Why? This? So I called him up. I said, Hey, we're not going to send a follow up offer want you to hear it directly from me and not from lawyers and agents. I said, but the kind of deal you're looking for is not the kind of deal that we can make. It was super gracious, appreciative kind, we agreed to continue forward as we always had as friends, we do favors for each other. I told him, you stay at the blazer, if you go off on your own, go to rumble go wherever we're going to continue to write stories about you and promote you and have you on like, we want you to be as successful as humanly possible. We want to contribute to that. And we went our separate ways. And months went by October goes by November goes by December goes by. And then a week ago, in January, Stephen called me and he said, Hey, man, I can't unsee this contract that you sent me. It was not a contract is a non binding term sheet. It's a conversation starter, but okay. And he told me his perspective on it, that we were not paying him what he's worth, that we don't understand his great business mind and that he's just gonna go exactly the way he the way that he thinks we're all going to be proven wrong. I said, again, I hope that's true, Steven, but that's not a risk I can take. And then he said, and you're just an enforcer for big tech, you're hurting young talent. So we'll see. And first of all, no two talent in our company have the same deal. Every deal is different, because there's different circumstances, this is the kind of deal you make to protect a nine figure investment. You can't pay nine figures and expenses. Even if the revenue draw dries up. That isn't possible. It's not prudent, but it also isn't possible. And he wouldn't let it go. He was very angry. And I got very flustered. I didn't expect him to be calling inland into me the way it was. I've never experienced it before. I didn't make the best defense of the deal that I probably could have because I was so caught off guard. I mean, I made a decent defense of the structure of it, but I was really taken aback.

Dan (00:24:44.000)

This was a setup. Steven called back and was recording the call pretending to be mad about the offer on behalf of other creators. What so he could play cherry picked parts of it on his show. Yeah, what yeah, oh yeah,

Jordan (00:24:58.000)

that's fucking cool. Oh shit yep Is that even legal in Texas?

Dan (00:25:02.000)

It is one party oh my god consent state sons.

Jordan (00:25:05.000)

That's what the fall met you know, I'm starting to think this Crowder guy not a good dude little shady

Dan (00:25:11.000)

little shady. He played a clip of boring saying that young talent at the Daily wire needed to be wage slaves for a while, which is kind of tasteless, but it isn't really offensive. If you're conservative and you're super into the free market. It's

Jordan (00:25:24.000)

supposed to be Aren't you supposed to be like, oh, a boss who tells me like it is. I would love to be a wage slave for you, sir.

Dan (00:25:30.000)

Yeah. Anyway, here's the point. Stevens deal was ending at the blaze. And it seems like they weren't interested in paying him what he was asking to renew the deal. If I had to guess it might have been because his actual numbers weren't as good as Stephen thinks they are. The investment wasn't worth it. So they passed. Needing a new home. Stephen tried to play hardball with the daily wire months back and it didn't work. Without proof of his draw. They couldn't justify paying him what he demanded. And Stephen probably wasn't able to provide them with any numbers, since he admitted that all that stuff was handled by the blaze. And it's unclear if they even knew about the negotiations since he was still under contract. Oh boy. months back, Stephen thought he could find a new place to make a huge guaranteed chunk of money free from any market pressures, but it didn't work out. And now guess what? There are no other options. He isn't going to make that kind of money anywhere else other than maybe Fox News, and I don't think he's quite their brand. They already have their funny guy. They don't need him. Then they've got

Jordan (00:26:25.000)

they've got what Gutfeld Yeah.

Dan (00:26:29.000)

He's Fox News. Fox News. Easiest and funny, man. Yeah. So Stephen decided to call boring pretended to be upset so he could record the call and start a big public feud. It was clearly a calculated move. And the idea obviously, was to try to poach some of the daily wires audience, presumably drawing them to Stephens independent operation, that he's going to now have to figure out how to get off the ground right. This past week has been when the big reveal has happened. And Stephen has done some pieces on his show. But this whole mess, Jeremy boring, put out his response video explaining the offer in minut detail for an hour,

Jordan (00:27:04.000)

it does appear that it is very, very, very thorough line

Dan (00:27:08.000)

by line. And then Stephen released a little bit of his phone call. And now here we are, right. Make no mistake about this. None of this means anything. I'm furious. Yeah, the daily wire will continue to exist. Steven Crowder will continue to be a rich bigot somehow and everyone who move on. However underneath this drama, there are a couple of points that make it critically important for Alex if he wants to profit from this. The first thing I saw that you needed to do was side with Crowder and it's a good thing he jumped on that. The daily wire doesn't want shit to do with Alex and all the hosts on there probably or definitely hate him. Alex isn't going to be talking with Jordan Peterson Ben Shapiro or Matt Walsh anytime soon. And Candace Owens may have been on Infowars in the past, but her brand is way bigger. Now. Siding with these people is a waste whereas Crowder still has Alex on his show. That's where Alex's bread is buttered, but it introduces other problems that we'll get to as we go as time goes along. I see. So Alex says he's got the inside baseball, right? He's gonna provide everybody with the deets,

Jordan (00:28:12.000)

if I understand correctly. Once Once one more time. Ah, this is a reasonable job offer according to these people,

Dan (00:28:22.000)

and ultimately, fairly generous in terms of like four weeks off a year. That's what I'm thinking of millions and millions of dollars. And the only downside conceivably is that you're gonna get in trouble if the revenue streams get knocked. Yeah,

Jordan (00:28:39.000)

yeah, if you stop making money, you'll stop making money. That's right. Oh, no. Oh, no. Fresh Hell is this right? Okay, so job offer, they got turned down and now we're fighting like terrible, terrible whiners? Yes, yeah.

Dan (00:28:57.000)

But I think that there's a reason why. And just to give you a little bit of a 30,000 foot view of what where I'm coming from this right wing community, a common community relies on a bit of fighting, right, there's tension and drama that ends up fueling a lot of stuff. Yeah. And so the idea of crowd or getting into a beef with daily wire makes total sense. Of course, it is something that can raise both ships, rat beef attention will be given to both they can both come out better for it. The problem is he picked the wrong thing to make the beef about the beef being about first of all contracts. And second of all money touches on things that the right wing media ecosystem cannot engage with. They don't want to because as soon as they do, it starts to open up a can of worms that you were even talking about like how's he going to afford $12 million a year?

Jordan (00:29:55.000)

Where's this money coming from money to you assholes me what the Fuck

Dan (00:30:00.000)

yeah introduces these questions of this gigantic amount of money. And are you making a return on your investment? Or are you all subsidized by billionaires on this? Because they want to push a certain social messaging?

Jordan (00:30:13.000)

Do you guys matter? Or are you just the mouthpieces of money? Right?

Dan (00:30:19.000)

Yeah. And so Crowder, I don't know if he understood that that was what he was stepping into. But because of that, this is not a normal generating attention feud for both sides. No, this is something else entirely different i are staying and a perfect place that Alex could capitalize. If he knows what he's doing. Oh, my God. This is where Alex could strike and destroy your right wing media. You could create a Dark Avenger

Jordan (00:30:45.000)

with one fell swoop, Alex Jones, is both the enemy and Savior of mankind. No, no, he

Dan (00:30:53.000)

wouldn't. It would just be he could make a little bit of money on the drama if you wanted to, of course. And I will discuss a great idea for how he could do that later in this episode. All right.

Jordan (00:31:03.000)

But why can't we do it? Is there a way for us to defeat right wing media? Because we wouldn't want

Dan (00:31:08.000)

to defeat them? No, it would just be like, you'd be able to create your own maybe larger brand outside of the mainstream GOP right wing media. Oh, yeah.

Jordan (00:31:18.000)

I don't want that. Nope.

Dan (00:31:19.000)

So Alex gets into this a little bit. And I don't know. But his take is really just whatever Crowder told him, right?

Alex Jones (00:31:26.000)

Well, I guess a few minutes left. In this segment, I'll just go ahead and hit the Ben Shapiro thing because I've been ignoring it the last four or five days. I knew exactly what was going on. But I've had a chance to talk to the Crowder folks. And so I can give you the analysis because I confirmed what I already knew was going on was going on. But I didn't want to go there until I checked it. My analysis was correct. Crowder is as good as it gets a real patriot American. And he loves the country. And he's a really smart, reasonable guy. He left the blaze because he was like 80% of their money. And he was almost being paid nothing. Then when he went and interviewed with the people over at Ben Shapiro's operation, the daily wire, they sent him the contracts that said, we're gonna control everything you say, control, whatever you do, and we'll withdraw your funds and your tight end for five years, no matter what if you get censored by big tech, essentially making big tech his boss and then he just criticized them on air without saying their names. So some of them attacked him. So he released recordings of them basically admitting that, and his issue was he didn't take the deal. Because he's not going to be shackled. But he's really concerned about them controlling the conservative movement with all the other people. They've got locked in these contracts. So he's

Dan (00:32:43.000)

concerned trolling, basically pretending to be concerned about these other people. This is not what Alex should be doing. No, he's just taking shit that Crowder told him and repeating it as fact, more or less being a mouthpiece for Crowder as opposed to being an Alex, who's siding with Crowder and exploiting him, which is what Alex should be doing.

Jordan (00:33:02.000)

I don't understand why he's not looking out for Alex, which is always Oh, man, this was stupid.

Dan (00:33:07.000)

So apparently Crowder told Alex that he left the blaze because he was 80% of their money, but that doesn't quite track with this from borings video.

Jeremy Boreing (00:33:16.000)

And he listened for a little bit and he said, Well, you're just wrong. You don't know anything about business. My business model was the right business model. Oh, boy. And of course, that's unfair. What is run this part of a business before? Steven likes to say I'm only on the air because of mug club. But Steven couldn't tell me how many subscribers he had. I said, How many subscribers you have at the place? He said, I don't know. They don't tell me that. I'm sure that's true. Confidence. I guarantee you, it'll be 350,000 on day one with no marketing. I hope that's true. But I can't take that risk.

Dan (00:33:47.000)

Of course you can.

Jordan (00:33:49.000)

Are you telling me that it 350k People is worth 12 and a half million now, I don't think

Alex Jones (00:33:55.000)

that's true.

Dan (00:33:57.000)

But they're subscribing like at a monthly rate and whatever. But that's only one part of it. They'll also be able to monetize other content that they so yeah, I don't exactly understand exactly how the money works. But that's day one. Jubilee that'd be even more sure. But also that's just a made up number that Stephens thrown out because he has no idea how many subscribers he has, because the blaze doesn't tell him

Jordan (00:34:19.000)

so the I will I will say this. I this that is something I didn't know in advance. I didn't know he didn't know how many subscribers he had. See. That means that that man I will say is coming in with some with some with some let's let some Truck Nuts he's got he's got a pair trailing behind him. Well, he

Dan (00:34:42.000)

has a probably a sense for 12 and a half million dollars. He probably has a sense of how many subscribers he has based on him knowing how many YouTube subscribers he has a really large YouTube channel and Jeremy boring even like really lays out exactly what the business model is. is, which is you do your show on YouTube, where you are a little edgy chant what have you. And then you advertise that you go behind the paywall, and that's where we can say the things that they won't let us say here, of course, you say the more extreme shit there and you try and funnel people from this YouTube to the the pay section, right? And so if you're trying to assess that maybe there's 300,000 people who subscribe to his thing, I would have to assume he's taking it as some kind of an equation from like, well, maybe a third or a quarter of the people. I mean, I'm sure he has millions of subscribers on YouTube, but you know, some percentage of that will follow along. Maybe that's true. Maybe it's not we'll say, yeah,

Jordan (00:35:47.000)

I, again, if without the numbers in my hand, I wouldn't be gone. See, because that's that's the way I always negotiated whenever I was working in real places. I'd be like, here's what I know about me. Yeah, which equivalents? This is what I'm wearing. And I

Dan (00:36:01.000)

don't expect me to have the numbers but I would expect Jeremy boring to have the numbers Oh, they were in opening up a negotiation. 100% So anyway, to be clear, I hate the daily wire and Jeremy boring sucks, but I definitely believe his side of the story way more for a number of reasons. The first and most important reason is that his story makes sense, whereas Stevens does not. Stevens actions and motivations don't make sense if you take them at his word, whereas borings explanation of the contract and the timeline are sane, rational sequences of events. And here, I feel like Stephen definitely doesn't know how many subscribers he has. If he did, and the number was as high as he's claiming he would use that to his advantage in the context of negotiations, how it works, it could only help make the case for his demand for higher pay. So the fact that he doesn't cite it can only really mean that he doesn't know or he does know, and it's way lower than you think. Yeah. Beyond that Alex is wrong about what the author of The Daily wire sent included. He's just parroting Crowder. It is true that Steven didn't name daily wire in the first video he did, but I don't think that's to his credit. After Stephen did his first beast boring came out and did his response. And the reason for that makes total sense. Everyone knew Crowder was talking about them, and they have a business to protect daily wire subscribers were worried that will Crowder was saying was correct and if left unanswered, people might assume it was correct, and that could cut into their profits. Essentially, they would have to accept Crowder's framing of things when it's obvious he's talking about them. What other business is there that might have been able to afford this kind of a deal to hire him? Yeah. After that, all of the daily wire hosts began to shit on Crowder, all of his presumed allies like Candace Owens and Matt Walsh, hit back pretty hard and there's a good reason for it. For one thing, Crowder's behavior is much like a sneaky snake. Perhaps more importantly, though, by saying that the daily wires contract is tantamount to him becoming a slave to big tech, he's implicitly calling out everyone who's under contract at the Daily wire. He's boasting of his principles and not signing this deal, which by extension is a condemnation of the people who did yeah. Yep. That's not good. You're you're stabbing all your friends in the back.

Jordan (00:38:15.000)

Yeah, yeah. And the problem is, it seems like he's doing it with the angle towards once again, returning to those ranks with all the money. Like the idea, I think for him is to is to eventually go back into that world and work for the blaze or the daily wire, somebody, I don't somebody will give him millions and millions of dollars. He's not going to go out and do his own thing. Now.

Dan (00:38:38.000)

I think he's trying to go out and do his own thing now. Well, yeah, but clearly, he's bad at it. Yes. And I don't think it would be his first choice. Obviously, he's somebody who likes to get a check from somebody. Yeah. And the idea of running your own entire thing is probably difficult, which is why this is a perfect opportunity for Alex. Yep.

Jordan (00:38:59.000)

Get him onto banned.tv. Maybe. Well,

Dan (00:39:02.000)

I don't think that's going to work. And I'll explain why later. But Alex has some thoughts about how much money Stephen wanted. And this is so stupid.

Alex Jones (00:39:11.000)

Well, the lawyers and you know, folks over there that are really smart. They made it all about Crowder, not wanting $50 million, when it was never about the money. And let me explain something. I know Crowder's bandwidth costs. I've had discussions with him and his crew quite a few times. We're friends like up there quite a bit. He comes down here. I know our bandwidth costs, it's $10 million over five years. Okay, $10 million, or $50 million over a over five years show that's only $10 million a year. Their bandwidth costs is in the millions of dollars a year, their legal costs their their crew, all of that. I guarantee you under that deal, Steven Crowder will be paid about 506 $100,000 a year maybe

Dan (00:39:57.000)

what Stephen wouldn't be paying bandwidth costs cost.

Jordan (00:40:00.000)

What are you talking about

Dan (00:40:01.000)

Alex only as that expense because he started running banter at video and he made the critical error of hosting hours upon hours of videos made by lunatics. So get like 60 views. Previously Stephens content would have been hosted by the blaze. And now if this went through, it'd be by the daily wire, they're not gonna make Steven pay bandwidth costs.

Jordan (00:40:20.000)

Yeah, I understand what Alex is trying to do. He's trying to be like, Okay, you're, you've got sticker shock. I get it. You think Oh, Steven Crowder makes $50 million. So he's not one of the people anymore? And the answer is of fucking course not. But I can't tell you that.

Dan (00:40:35.000)

Also, daily wire covers legal. That's part of the deal. I'm sure Stephen would want to maintain personal representation for some matters. But the daily wire isn't going to spend millions of dollars a year on a marquee talent. And it'd be like you're on your own with legal stuff. They have an investment to protect him. And also, Alex might have a skewed version of how much legal bills cost.

Jordan (00:40:56.000)

He's probably spending at least 20 $30 million a year on legal bills if you know exactly, it's regular for us guys, no right turn around. Anybody's

Dan (00:41:03.000)

applying his own troubles to someone who would not be dealing with bandwidth costs, or millions and millions of dollars of legal fees and a billion dollar judgment again,

Jordan (00:41:13.000)

Now admittedly, if you have the type of troubles that he does, I imagine it's tough to look past them. It's at the rest of the world with clear eyes. True. Yeah.

Dan (00:41:22.000)

It's a pretty big trouble. And it's impossible to relate. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. So Alex had some advice for Stephen. And I think that this is interesting. And unfortunately, it's never going to work.

Alex Jones (00:41:34.000)

He never made it about the money. The money offers went up when he started the ball. He said, No, no, this is not about the money. It's about I'll be totally controlled by you arbitrarily. If I go take this deal with you and bring all these people to you. When we know Crowder was making Glenn Beck conservatively $50 million a year, Chuck horsell folks in daily wire say oh, you're leaving, blend back, because you're only getting a few million dollars a year and can't even pay your bills. That's the truth about Crowder giant audience should be making 50 million a year gross, be able to pay all the bills and all the rest of it is gross. Totally proud of go to a direct sales model and leave all these people and then sell products that you make 50 60% on it and be free of them. So water filters shell vitamin people want those people to buy from Whole Foods. They want to buy it from all reason what about from you know, sell gun accessories, shell shell tactical gear, shell storable food, I got a soap guy to do the whole deal. He does live callers, like why don't like to market stuff. I don't like to go pushed up. Because a lot of preparation, that guy works hard. And I'm like, Okay, well, if you want your freedom, that's what you got to do. And you can be bigger than Infowars ever was. If you just go with the model of running your own operation. And then you can hire people and do a daily wire did what I tried to do, but they came after us and attacked us and shut us down before it went to launch. I built all this to me 24 hours a day, have a bunch of hosts in here and not control what they say as long as they're patriots

Dan (00:42:59.000)

can handle the shows you have. I know this is ridiculous. Don't add more anyway, here's where Alex needs to be. Yeah, he needs to black pill crowd or unworking with anyone so he starts to run out of money and he gets more desperate. Yep, Crowder is a young man with no principles. And I find him boring and not funny, but he has a proven charisma that some people enjoy. Alex needs to groom him to be his successor. But in order to do that, Crowder has to become a lot weaker first. Yep, he's got pretension to making 10s of millions of dollars a year at this point to screaming about the devil to sell water filters. Probably doesn't seem like an attractive option yet. Yeah. But if he goes long enough without a deal, and no one paying him with no YouTube monetization, it could look better and better over time to go to Infowars and go to a direct sales model. Now if he doesn't want to deal with all that. Guess who does? Uh huh, Alex, you betcha. Alex already has the infrastructure. He has a soap Limerick guy. He has a water guy. He has a storable food guy. Take care all that for you, baby.

Jordan (00:44:00.000)

Here's what Alex has to do. Yeah, he has to interject himself into any conversation with Steven Crowder, make it look like he is right next to steam it like it's him and Crowder against the world. He has to be by associating himself with Crowder, so toxic that talk that Crowder has no choice but to then associate back with Alex Jones. That's,

Dan (00:44:22.000)

well, that's one part of it. The other part of it is make sure that he doesn't make any deals. No, he

Jordan (00:44:28.000)

can't make any money.

Dan (00:44:29.000)

He's gotta go broke. Well, yeah. Or at least like don't don't take that $12 million a year deal. Encourage that line of thinking in Steven so he doesn't find somewhere else to land. Yeah. And it's critical. This is the mistake that Alex is making. You can't make Stephens arguments. Like you need to be on his side. But you can't just be making his arguments. Because they're nonsense. You need to rise above it a little Yeah, that's what I'm not seeing him doing. No. If you could manage to do that. And break Crowder somehow subtly, whether by negligence or by a bad influence. Get him to the point where he's desperate enough to come to Infowars you got yourself exactly what you need there Alex, you got a guy who's young enough that he's got years ahead of him. He sucks but some people like him he's

Jordan (00:45:19.000)

both he's both incredibly lazy and incredibly ambitious

Dan (00:45:23.000)

right and he is his own thing for better or worse, right? Owen Shroyer doesn't really have a persona outside of the cup destroy pretending to be Yeah, he's doing an Alex impression. Yeah, Harrison Smith is a 00 Nobody else in house has like juice. At least Steven Crowder for like, as much as he sucks. Has some juice.

Jordan (00:45:43.000)

Yeah, nobody's going to Harrison Smith's Nazi library in our Mm hmm. I mean, you gotta you've got to really break him down, you know, and just turn him against everyone and a blog pillar, but the way to do it is the not having a boss. That's the only way to do it. You got it. You got to have it. Crowder's in Crowder's mind, the idea of working for any corporate person at all has to be the worst thing in the world. He worked for Glenn Beck Exactly. Now, it's got to be No, it's got to be I'm against it. I'm against the whole business, we'll

Dan (00:46:17.000)

get to that. Okay, because I do have a model for that. Okay. But anyway, Alex has got a black pilum. So Alex gets off the topic for a little bit, but he's still kind of talking about it behind the scenes kind of subtly, but you know, what they call Alex? Well, they call them the Texan and the Trump White. Sure, sure. They also call him the Mad prophet.

Alex Jones (00:46:38.000)

What? I don't say this. In fact, it gives me chills, I'm concerned. But I'm seen by the globalist as the Mad profit of the worldwide populist movement. They call me that on CNN, Time Magazine, The Atlantic Monthly, they've said he's the wild prophet that brought in Trump and brought in all this stuff. And everybody gets the credit. A whole bunch of people, hundreds of millions of folks put up this resistance to sweat mainly me. Long before I was born, people were fighting it was 1415 years old every Saturday driving two hours to Dallas from his farm to give anti communist speeches on the radio, because he gave such good ones locally, just off when he ran the John Birch Society stuff and I mean, it's in the blood fog. So my dad gets the credit. You know, my mind my mom's dad gets the credit.

Dan (00:47:33.000)

I think that most people calling Alex and I had profit or making fun of him. Yeah. Also, Alex's dad was deeply into the John Birch Society, and we gotta give Alex's mom's dad some credit here. But also remember Alex's mom's dad, it was almost LBJ is personal assassins. Yeah. So that's fun. Yeah.

Jordan (00:47:51.000)

Yeah. And then maybe his grandfather on the one side was a Nazi?

Dan (00:47:55.000)

Probably. Yeah. And they're all Confederate royalty. Yeah. So they're good. It's

Jordan (00:48:00.000)

what's in the blood is not what I want to have them continue spreading about. No, thank you. Not great. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Dan (00:48:09.000)

So Alex says a little metaphor here about how they're winning against the globalists. All right.

Alex Jones (00:48:14.000)

And so I need your prayer first and foremost, and American use your prayer. Because listen, we are really kicking the globalist butts right now. This was a wrestling match right now. We got a pin to the ground and her face shoved in the ground. The problem is they can sit there and piss themselves crap themselves as the analogy I'd use and start a nuclear war.

Dan (00:48:38.000)

I think that if someone shut themselves and then started a nuclear war, that'd be called for disqualification and the match Yeah, also, if you have someone pinned down and their face pin down, you don't have them pinned. In a wrestling match, you need to have person's shoulders pinned down, that's gonna be really difficult to achieve while you also have their head facing down. That's more of a submission lock, right? Yeah, this is a bad metaphor, is what I'm saying.

Jordan (00:49:00.000)

It's a bad metaphor for a lot of things. But especially if, if I understand correctly, the metaphor is we're defeating the globalists, but by defeating them, we have lost because

Dan (00:49:11.000)

they'll shut themselves.

Jordan (00:49:14.000)

Yeah, good. Good. Good stuff. I

Dan (00:49:15.000)

mean, this is interesting on one level, but I mostly also played it to bring up that at the Royal Rumble next Saturday. Oh, that's right. Bray Wyatt is going to be facing la night pitch black match brought to you by Mountain Dew. Pitch Black. I don't know what it means. No. All right. All right. All right. can't possibly possibly be in the dark. That's not how things camp. Maybe the lights go out periodically or something. I don't know.

Jordan (00:49:42.000)

It's like a cartoon. All the lights go out and you're just here. And then the lights come back on and over him like hey, what a great match now.

Dan (00:49:51.000)

It should be noted that I'm still suspicious about Uncle howdy. Still worried you. You

Jordan (00:49:56.000)

said that you were feeling better about Uncle Harry at one point. You texted me A No I didn't. Oh no, you said you were still worried about still worried.

Dan (00:50:03.000)

Never have gotten not worried. But on SmackDown this past Friday, the Firefly funhouse came back while the puppets Sure. Very, very much. It seems like maybe the theme is coming back. Okay. We'll have the fiend and Uncle outtie it's a crowded house and weirdness.

Jordan (00:50:24.000)

Yeah, that's, like worry. Yeah, that's not good.

Dan (00:50:29.000)

But I'll be watching it very excited to see what nonsense happened, of course. So anyway, Alex is going to nonviolently gouged out the eyes of his enemies. He's gonna non violently do a bunch of really violent Yeah, I was gonna say that's, this is upsetting.

Jordan (00:50:43.000)

Interesting.

Alex Jones (00:50:44.000)

And so now we're in a real fight with the global controllers. All right. I mean, we got your attention, we are beating the hell out of them. We're politically non violently breaking their ribs gouging out their eyeballs pulling out their teeth, slamming their head to concrete, okay. Now the problem is they got bioweapons labs everywhere, they got nuclear weapons, they got armies of scum that work for them, pedophiles, devil, worshippers degenerates, and they're really thinking about turning it all loose, and causing a giant global civil war and a collapse. The good news is, they were gonna do that regardless. Oh, now let's force him to do it on our terms, and we're gonna win, but I gotta tell you, it ain't gonna be pretty. Okay.

Dan (00:51:26.000)

It's not gonna be pretty. Alright.

Jordan (00:51:28.000)

I'm gonna tell you this. Yeah, I'm very angry. Because if this is the case, all right, that the that you are essentially that the Patriots are beating the globalists to death,

Dan (00:51:42.000)

but non violently slamming their head. Sure, whatever that

Jordan (00:51:46.000)

means, right? So so they're doing that, but it's a bad idea, because the globalists are going to kill everybody, but they were going to kill everybody anyway. Right? So if this is the situation,

Dan (00:51:58.000)

the globalist stance, he's basically saying, we are accelerationist

Jordan (00:52:03.000)

This is a terrible plan. This is a terrible plan. If you are this week, compared to your enemy, you got to take them by surprise. The patriot movement at this point should all pretend that they've given everything up sneak their way into the halls of power, and then metaphorically do whatever that stuff whenever the globalists don't have their finger on the button and murdering everybody. Terrible plan.

Dan (00:52:25.000)

Let me put you at ease. None of this is real. Once Alex is just making so anyway, the next 10 years though, gonna be fucking bad. According to Alex, the next decade,

Jordan (00:52:41.000)

I mean, that's not a difficult prediction to

Dan (00:52:43.000)

make lobby to be 60 years old before everything settles down. Yeah,

Alex Jones (00:52:47.000)

but I can offer you nothing but how in the next 10 years, nothing but absolute owl. That's what I offer you reality, so that you're on your feet and you know, it's coming when it comes that you're not in your bed sucking your thumbs when these people because if you think get in a catatonic position like a baby and curl up in a ball is gonna protect you. I got news for you. And I know these people are devil worshipping pedophiles. And they've got their operatives everywhere, who are spiritually ignited and spiritually energized against us. And they're in the banks. They're in the police departments. They're in the law firms. They're in the universities, they're in the schools. They're in the They're everywhere. They're everywhere. And they look just like you a plumber working a 12 hour day, a farmer working a 12 hour day. Those these people cannot hide in a manual job. They can never hack it, never do it. Again. Thomas Jefferson said he studied all different types of people. He'd been all over Europe, very learned man knows in college when he was you know, 1213 years old. He did not say this. And he said nobody's better than the farmers. And back then they didn't call them ranchers, the ranchers. He said the best people are the farmers. And the hardest working most successful farmers are the best people. And they should run things, not lawyers. And it's true.

Dan (00:54:20.000)

So there's a fake Jefferson quote, sort of harkening to and that is, I would rather be judged by 12 farmers than 12 scholars. Jefferson never said that it actually traces back to something Glenn Beck said in 2009 when he was on Jay Leno. Great, great. All of Alex's quotes are fake.

Jordan (00:54:35.000)

Thomas Jefferson liked scholars.

Dan (00:54:39.000)

It's an interesting development that apparently manual laborers can't be evil because evil people wouldn't be able to cut it in that hard of a job. I've not heard Alex expressed this before and it's also really dumb. You're gonna find plenty of farmers plumbers and other manual laborers who have committed horrible crimes just as you can find people in any field who do awful shit. Yeah. It's kind of Hard not to hear this as a dog whistle, though. Yeah, traditionally anti semitic demagogues have painted Jewish people as being unable or unwilling to do hard work, preferring to live off the sweat of others. In a vacuum, the stuff Alex is saying could possibly be taken as a sentiment of admiration for manual laborers. But given all the other context of his show, and where he gets his ideas from, I can't hear this as anything other than coded anti semitism. Yeah, there are evil people in the banks and the schools on the government, but there aren't any and manual labor because Jews don't do manual labor is essentially how this comes off, right? In the context of like, right, it's crypto ideas,

Jordan (00:55:36.000)

right? I mean, obviously, this is a brilliant thing to say about the insights of the world that can only be understood by Alex Jones. But what he apparently does not get is that, based on this concept, the only people he should really like, are immigrants coming over and doing work hard manual labor jobs, working 12 plus hours per day,

Dan (00:56:00.000)

right. And the person you shouldn't like is the dumb fuck. Who gets on the air? sounds dumb supplements by making shit up about headlines? Yeah, for three hours a day?

Jordan (00:56:10.000)

Yeah, I kind of think that he might be lying. Yeah, I

Dan (00:56:14.000)

think he's making stuff up. And there's a little bit of a subtle, anti semitic ideology that I do think, penetrates this. That's definitely there. Yep. So Alex has an idea for the vision vision of the world that I think is stupid.

Alex Jones (00:56:27.000)

He said the best people are the farmers. That's Jefferson in the hardest working most successful farmers are the best people. And they should run things, not lawyers. And it's true. Do you imagine if the Amish ran things would it be like but see, they don't want to run things. That's why they're good.

Dan (00:56:44.000)

What's Alex would fucking hate living in a world run by the Amish? For one thing, they take pride very seriously. And Alex would run afoul of that very fast. Yeah, good luck running a radio and TV show that relies on selling bullshit supplements and an Amish community though that's gonna be really tough. While we're on the subject. From a doctrine perspective, Alex would have severe problems with the Amish because they come from a branch of Christianity called Anna baptism. Groups derived from Anabaptists like the Amish Mennonites, and Quakers do not believe in child baptism. A faith can only be sincere if it's entered into by a conscious informed decision, which is absolutely counter to Alex's belief surrounding baptism. Alex is a caricature of Amish people in his head that he's decided to accept and admire, but it's not real. Plus, there are plenty of crimes and Amish communities. You don't hear about a lot of it because the communities are very insulated. And many of the doctrines make it difficult to get people to cooperate with the process of prosecuting a crime. But there are criminals among the very hard working Amish. If you want to, you can find plenty of stories that Alex would call demonic if a liberal were involved. But it's Amish people. So he's never heard about it. And doesn't pretend it doesn't exist. Yeah, that obviously doesn't characterize the entire Amish community. And a bit of time I spent growing up I attended Mennonite churches and my parents are still members of a Mennonite Church. So I've had plenty of experiences of great Anabaptist folks in my life, but to pretend that somehow there aren't horrible people within that subset of the world is just idiotic.

Jordan (00:58:12.000)

That that idea of the the reductive bullshit that is so often peddled by Alex and his ilk, you know that like, Oh, they're all these all these people want to confuse you with this? Oh, the world's complex? No, it's real simple. If you're a farmer, you should run things like your farm in a way that I mean, you should run a farm Yeah, good farmer, right? Be a farmer. Why? Why is it that you if you're a good farmer, that means you grow? You're a good administrator. That's how works doesn't just skills and talents that you can accrue over time? Yeah, there doesn't need to be some sort of intrinsic evil to your job while there

Dan (00:58:51.000)

is evil all around us. And the Amish don't want to run things, right? I mean,

Jordan (00:58:56.000)

they want to run their own communities. That's what they do. They run their own community. That's why they're the Amish as a as a thing.

Dan (00:59:04.000)

Fair enough. Yeah. But you know, who doesn't want to run things? Much larger scale, evil people? is evil. The evil people, they keep doing evil

Alex Jones (00:59:13.000)

people want to run things. And I know that people like General Flynn is like, kind of what I call my military Amish person. Now, he's against technology. He thinks that he thinks it's at a subconscious level, a little too worldly to want to be the leader. A little too pushy to come out. And his you know, it's just not a lot. It's a little little arrogant. It's a little egotistical. No, it's not. No, it's not. We're gonna lead or we're gonna die. Because we're gonna let the Ben Shapiro's of the world sit over there and lead our movements. We knows damn well what he's doing. He's on our side. He wants all the Conservatives under his control, so you can lead them into slavery and leave the rest of us Slavery and Judas scouts, their Judas scouts folks,

Dan (01:00:03.000)

I suppose Ben Shapiro's evil. It's weird because the daily wire didn't have any like stipulations about controlling what Crowder said right in their contract. And like Matt Walsh is under their contract and he's one of the biggest transphobic bigots in the public space. Candace Owens is under their contract. And she played a huge role in the anti semitic rise of yay, yep. It seems like if you work for them, you can pretty much do whatever you want. But if your actions reduce the amount of money coming in, you get paid less. Yeah, it's a normal business. Sort of Judas.

Jordan (01:00:34.000)

I mean, I'm, if we want to be against capitalism, now I'm entering the conversation. Right, right. That's what we're doing. I'm fine with that. Right. Right. But by your own rules, you should shut the fuck up.

Dan (01:00:46.000)

Yes, yes. I'm trying to reach them where they live. Yeah, exactly. Countering the ideas of what they're saying from their standpoint as opposed to reply by own this, but like, you all are fucking idiot children. They're just children. But you know, who's not the people on the daily wire? They're just, it's they're running a business. And they, I guess, maybe what it is, is you start to recognize like, Okay, this is how something like bullshit can be sustainable. Sure, she can become a business, right? So like, when Candace Owens gets a job over there, she starts to understand Ah, okay, I get it. Here's how things are done. And people who are too as boring put it not team players, people like an Alex Jones or a Steven Crowder, sure, they don't get it. And they feel like they have this ability that they're special. And they're able to do all these things. Because they've been handed all these things for years. And just but we I've done it this far, so I shouldn't be able to do everything. Yep. And then they just are children having a food fight.

Jordan (01:01:52.000)

I mean, we've seen it in I can't tell you you know, there have been plenty of comics who once they've touched even a little bit of success started act like complete assholes for no reason. So and

Dan (01:02:03.000)

when you say a little bit of success,

Jordan (01:02:05.000)

I mean, a little bit of it. I mean, like, I'm running an open mic now. Like that's, that's the level of like, now I'm gonna act like an asshole like I get why get why you turn into an asshole.

Dan (01:02:16.000)

I got you hooked on a show at a bar. Exactly. Yeah. Ooh, hot shit. So anyway, Ben Shapiro is a Judas goat. But Alex is not.

Alex Jones (01:02:25.000)

And so the the polar opposite of where I want to be, is the Judas goat. And we know that Judas goats, well, they're the Alborz. And they're the they're Loni Blair's, and they're the Ben Shapiro's, and they're the Barack Obama's and all the rest of it. Outdoors, Ben Shapiro, iteration. Judas got us what you should call this and just say, we're up against a bunch of Judas coats here, folks. Well, I'm no Jewish God. I'm scared. You're right. I've told the truth. I've been steadfast and I need your love. I need your support. I need you to lift me up in prayer. And I need your financial support and forward toward Icom nailed it.

Jordan (01:03:02.000)

Bam. Nailed it. And we've landed the plane safely. Ladies and gentlemen, we will

Dan (01:03:07.000)

be we have hit the pivot. Yep, pretty, pretty good. Not a dude, just go like Ben Shapiro and I need your money.

Jordan (01:03:18.000)

There's there's ability that Alex has to suddenly say a thing that I have not heard in a year, like 300 times like I haven't heard Judas go. He said, I heard Judas goat more in that clip.

Dan (01:03:31.000)

He says it a lot. And I don't play it all the time. That's what

Jordan (01:03:35.000)

I'm saying. I haven't heard it for like a year but in five seconds, 100 times your Judas goat, Barack Obama's Judas goat Judas goat.

Dan (01:03:42.000)

He has momentum with terms. Yeah, sometimes. So he comes in, and he tells a very false version of the crowd or story that I have some things to point out about.

Alex Jones (01:03:55.000)

My brain works like this. I never sit there and talk about the problem without connecting it to who's behind it. And then the solution. I don't get talking about the Steven Crowder.

Dan (01:04:08.000)

So like, I want to pause for a second. He does do you know he's right. He talks about the problem. Right? He always talks about who's behind it and the solution right behind it is always the globalist right and the solution is giving him money. Yes,

Jordan (01:04:21.000)

I know. Yes. The problem is is that the problem the people behind it and the solution have been the exact same for 25 years or whatever

Dan (01:04:31.000)

hard disagree. Changes constitute the problem Find it in the solution are always the same. Problem changes. I

Jordan (01:04:38.000)

feel like the problem is the globalists and they are also the people who do a

Dan (01:04:42.000)

bunch of different things. That's fair.

Alex Jones (01:04:44.000)

Ben Shapiro daily wire story because as itself, it's not important enough to cover I mean, Siemens right guy very important, but just to talk about the fight like oh, look, there's a fight. Oh, here, let's all gather around and see who wins. I had to weigh in on that because I saw disinfo live, that Steven Crowder recorded the daily wire and all the rest of this. Because he wanted more money, if you want to work for him, no, he's on the tapes, saying I don't even want the money. I want freedom. And you guys sent me a contract saying big tech will be my boss. And if they censor me, I'll have my pay, cut and be locked in a contract to not be able to work anywhere for five years. I'm not going to take your deal, but respond to me about what you're doing to people. This is an American. This is dangerous. Yeah, man, you should hear

Dan (01:05:33.000)

that recording. He sounds like a Dead Prez song. Oh, so look here. There's an issue with this telling of the story. Neither party is contesting that they discussed this opening offer a months ago as far back as September or October. And they left that discussion with an amicable understanding that they weren't going to be able to reach a deal. Because that's the case, it does not make sense for Crowder to then call Jeremy boring months later to confront him about the deal while recording the conversation unless the conversation itself was performance and designed to be used for content later. The circumstances require you to not take the stuff Stephen is saying in that call seriously, because he has no reason to make that call. And he knows it's being recorded. Jeremy boring doesn't know it's being recorded. And he didn't initiate the call. So their footing is completely uneven. Yeah, Alex knows this. He knows the game Stephen is playing and he's trying to play it too. But they don't seem to realize that they have accidentally touched on something that they're not supposed to. That's that money shit.

Jordan (01:06:33.000)

It is. It is so much like it's James O'Keefe way of thinking of like, Aha, see this thing that I think that is 100% insane. I will definitely be able to prove by lying to these people. And then I'll trick them into telling me the things that I know

Dan (01:06:51.000)

are true. I will trick them into saying just enough that I can edit it weird to make it look like my point has been made. Solid. That's terrible. It's good work.

Jordan (01:07:00.000)

That is bad. So Alex,

Dan (01:07:01.000)

Look, man, if you know one thing about him, you know that he's not a sellout. Except for some things in his career, but he could sell out now if he wanted to get a billion dollars, reset wars, but you'd still be down half a billion.

Alex Jones (01:07:17.000)

You got all the Ben Shapiro saying the shot works. We should all take it. And you know, all these pro new older stuff. They're gatekeepers people, and I'm not competition. I can snap my fingers have billions of dollars of funding hundreds of millions of dollars of funding, not even trying from a system, they would still take me selling out to them. It's easy to go sell out. It's easy to be a gatekeeper. It's easy to do that. I'm not even mad at these people. I'm ashamed for them. And here's Crowder, getting better and better and understanding this and he's always been a good guy. And then he tries to expose it very friendly way. And they attack him and say, Oh, Steven Crowder is a monster. Steven Crowder, we offered him $50 million over five years he called it slave wages. No, they said the recording about all the other little people that get together have a giant audience of my little 100,000 followers, a million followers, they have big followings. But compared to Alex Jones, or Joe Rogan, or Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro, it's small, but together, it's bigger. And then they use their algorithms to feed you all into the Jordan Peterson's and the Ben Shapiro's. And by the way, I think Ben Shapiro is all hat, no cattle, and a bunch of repeated, you know, stuffy nose act smart talk fast.

Dan (01:08:38.000)

Oh, really? Just a bunch of repeated stuff. Boy, Alex could not have a billion or hundreds of millions of dollars to sell out now. No one wants him and he's way more trouble than whatever he could possibly bring in. He's toxic to advertisers, and he couldn't possibly organically create more business for you than he already does on his own. And he's both personally and professionally in bankruptcy. Plus, he's not that good at his job anymore. It would be like buying an old racehorse, an old drunk racehorse.

Jordan (01:09:10.000)

You know, the first car I bought was 14 years old, and it smelled of cigarette smoke beyond what you could imagine. And it made it about 25 miles off the lot. Sure. And then it died and never drove again to the Alex

Dan (01:09:26.000)

of car. It's

Jordan (01:09:27.000)

the Alex of cars. Yep.

Dan (01:09:28.000)

It's fair that in Crowder's recording Jeremy boring said that the younger creators needed to work for slave wages for a while but there's a couple important things to consider. I'll play you the clip that Steven plays and then we'll go over some of the issues

Jeremy Boreing (01:09:42.000)

mentioned our young talent. They don't get deals like this

Steven Crowder (01:09:45.000)

--- so they don't get deals that --

Jeremy Boreing (01:09:48.000)

basically wage slaves for a little bit, come over and make a salary and grow their brand

Steven Crowder (01:09:54.000)

that you then own.

Jeremy Boreing (01:09:57.000)

I own parts of it. I don't own it. They can When their contracts up, they can still go out and they'll still be famous. They can keep doing their show. So go do a show somewhere else. There'll be a far, far, far better place you helped to make them.

Steven Crowder (01:10:09.000)

No, no. This contract this contract owns it in perpetuity even after the contract, you're paying a lease but getting ownership. So this contract

Jeremy Boreing (01:10:18.000)

on the content that we paid to produce, yes.

Dan (01:10:21.000)

So the first glaring problem is that Stephen didn't release the full call. It's possible that wage slave as a comment was boring using an expression that Stephen had used earlier in that conversation. And there's no way to know for sure, right, right. Even assuming that was how boring decided to construct his thought there are still problems. One is that he's trying to explain to Stephen how good the deal he's being offered is. And that's because it's an insanely good deal. Boring is trying to help Stephen understand that they would be making a gigantic investment in him. And because it would be a huge deal. It requires a contract that spells stuff out and make sure that the daily wire doesn't end up losing $50 million, which is not something that you need to be concerned about with younger talents. The other more important problem that comes up here is that these people don't have a problem with wage slavery. Go over to daily wires website and see what they have to say about suggestions that the minimum wage should be raised right, poke around for a minute and see how many videos you can find where Steven Crowder screams about his opposition to be people being paid a living wage, they don't have a problem with this and those personal the conservative ideas that you're paid what you're worth, and what you're worth is what an employer will pay you. If you bring in $2 worth of value to an employer per hour, you should be paid $2 an hour, Crowder should recognize that the younger creators that boring is talking about don't bring in $50 million in value, they bring in what he would call slave wages and value to the daily wire. So they get paid accordingly. The arrangement is beneficial for them because they get paid something and their association with the daily wire raises their profile and allows them to create their own personal brand. Without his association with the daily wire, I guarantee no one would give a single shit about what Matt Walsh has to say, No, you'd have no idea who he was, it works out quite well for him. That's the game. There's a little bit of a weird wrinkle here. I also would never sign this deal. But I don't think it's inherently unfair as a deal. Typically, a network will require ownership of the material you make while you're under their contract, which is a fairly normal thing. And you hear boring express that in the call, the content that Crowder makes under the auspices of the contract are owned by the daily wire, but they don't own his brand or the mug club or things that he does post contract period or before, right. I've spoken to people who are with podcast networks, and this is how a lot of podcasts networks operate. And that's definitely one of the sticking points that I've had with the idea of ever joining one. But I don't think it's inherently unethical. No. And I think for a number of different types of content, it makes a lot of sense.

Jordan (01:12:56.000)

And a lot of different context for the situation that the creators are in, you know, there's any number of different avenues where absolutely, yeah, I totally get it.

Dan (01:13:06.000)

Crowder is pretending to have a problem here because he needs a way to make this whole presentation look like it's something more than picking a petty fight because he doesn't have a giant contract anymore. And he's got to figure out how to survive on his own. The best way to do this is to pretend he's concerned about the other creators who are being exploited by these contracts, which is a great way to fake selflessness honestly, interestingly, though, none of the other creators sided with Steven. In fact, Steven may have alienated most of the conservative media with this shit. Yeah. And it's because of two reasons. The first is that he's shown himself to be a duplicitous, backstabbing, sneaky snake, so might be recording you at any moment. So he can use cherry pick things you say against you. You got it. He's willing to exploit people who thought they were his friends in order to garner attention. But that's not really a deal breaker for these people. They could get over that pretty easily.

Jordan (01:13:55.000)

They're all sneaky snake. They're like, Hey, listen, I'm a psychopath to you. Not a terrible move. And if it had worked, we would be on your team.

Dan (01:14:02.000)

It's it's not necessarily the worst thing they could get over it. What's not so easy to get over is the Crowder brought up the money. Steven is treading on thin ice because what he's done is create a situation where it's becoming all too clear that the right wing media ecosystem is propped up by billionaires who are likely not seeing a return on their investment. Jeremy boring says almost as much in his video.

Jeremy Boreing (01:14:25.000)

This is a very important point, Stephen. Again, I think the most entertaining, talented person in the conservative movement. I think one of the most entertaining and talented people in entertainment, generally in the country today has created a very successful content generation company, a very successful production company. But Stevens never had to create the company that actually distributes markets and monetizes all of that content. You know, he talks in his video about being one of the only true independent conservative voices and I find that incredibly unfair have, you know, Stephen? The whole time I've known him has worked for someone else has been paid by someone else. That doesn't mean other people tell him what to say. He's a very independent voice and and that's good. So isn't that Walsh. So as Candace Owens so as Ben Shapiro, so as Michael Knowles, so is Brett Cooper. But Stephen, you know, as much or more than any of them a very independent voice. But he's not exactly a self made man. That's not true. He he was paid by PJ TV when I met him, which was owned by a billionaire at the time. Then he was paid by CR TV for a number of years, which was owned by a billionaire at the time. Then he was paid by the blaze, which was subsidized by a billionaire. Until Tyler Carden, one of the real genius businessmen in our movement, turned the company around and and made it profitable.

Dan (01:15:43.000)

Oh, man, that's wild. I wonder why the billionaire was subsidizing the blaze. Well, it lost money. Pretty wild. How everyplace Crowder. His work for his entire career has been funded by right wing billionaires, and no one really has any idea if his show is even profitable. Probably just a coincidence do that the daily wire was launched with seed money from fracking, billionaire brothers, Dan and Ferris Wilks. Yeah, because of his greed and desperation, Crowder is exposing the business. Right? He's breaking kayfabe right and forcing others to break kayfabe to defend themselves. There's

Jordan (01:16:13.000)

some huge fucking problems that I have going on, not least of which one fucking boring, has just made the socialist argument. He's just been like, he remember when Obama in the debate was like, You didn't build that or whatever. Because we've got roads and shit. Yeah, exactly. just said that. Exactly. So once again, no conservative has any principles whatsoever. And to there, that's bullshit, the billionaires absolutely get a return on their investment. That's why we don't have taxes on billionaires, right?

Dan (01:16:47.000)

Direct return. It's not a return in terms of the show being profitable. It's an ideological return and a return in the form of tax cuts and all that shit. That return was January 6, almost clogging up the ability of like progressive thing. legislation that would be threatening business interest. Yep, for moving forward or just conversing about it. Anyway, there's one more clip of boring here that I thought was interesting. Then

Jeremy Boreing (01:17:14.000)

he was paid by the blaze, which was subsidized by a billionaire. Until Tyler Cardin, one of the real genius businessmen in our movement, turned the company around and, and made it profitable. During all of that time, Stephen drove a ton of revenue. He was he's incredibly valuable. I'm not suggesting that he wasn't driving value he was. I'm only saying he didn't have to build all of that. He didn't have to think about it. And he didn't necessarily have you all, so But he doesn't know for a fact that he was profitable. Because as he has said, very publicly, all those companies, none of them really shared all the information about what was happening with them. So Stephen, feels very certain that his show was always profitable. But he doesn't know that his show was profitable. That is

Dan (01:18:00.000)

damning. That's insane. Think about this, the head of daily wire is suggesting that one of the largest and most revenue driving programs in the entire right wing ecosystem that does not appear to have all that much overhead. It's not like he has an elaborate set, like Alex does app might not be profitable.

Jordan (01:18:24.000)

Yep. How is that possible? Dan? Dan? Dan,

Dan (01:18:28.000)

how can he not be sure of that?

Jordan (01:18:30.000)

I don't know. I don't know. You'd have to be sure. How could you not be

Dan (01:18:34.000)

it means that one side of the equation is desperately out of balance, so

Jordan (01:18:39.000)

gall to ask for more than $50 million? If you don't even know if you make money?

Dan (01:18:44.000)

Well, the goal is to ask for $50 million and then make it public like this. Yeah, in a way that you know, the head of the daily wire is going to come out and say shit like this. Yeah. Woof. This is It's trouble.

Jordan (01:18:58.000)

What's what's so crazy to me is and we just we just talked about it, you know, like in this world? Oh, yeah, of course, you recorded one side of my conversation without my knowledge in order to exploit what I have to say secretly as an indictment of my entire life's work. Yeah, no big deal. Now, personally, that would be we can't be friends anymore. Yeah. I mean, it's like not even like, I'll hate you forever. publicly. Just like, I will never speak to you because I don't know if you're recording this conversation. Yeah,

Dan (01:19:29.000)

no, yeah. It introduces layers of like, yeah, no,

Jordan (01:19:33.000)

yeah. And there's this whole like, Hey, I just want I want him to be as successful as you can possibly be thing like, no, well, no, he's revealed that he deserves zero success, because he's recorded what half of your fucking conversation two

Dan (01:19:47.000)

things. The first is that I think there's a little tongue in cheek with borings constant praise. Yeah, of Crowder. I think there's a little bit of a fuck you by being nice kind of thing. Second Stephen didn't like release the recording of the call until after boring had made this video. So at that point, there's no reason to know right? Sure if Jeremy knew, right, Stephen had done that, that makes more sense. Yeah. Okay. But I still do think there's a little bit of a back handedness to it. Like a little bit of

Jordan (01:20:18.000)

I'm not saying that that's not the case. Yeah, I haven't listened to the whole thing. So I wouldn't you know,

Dan (01:20:22.000)

I did, ma'am. It's a it's a really awesome contract if you're it's not even a final contract. As borings going through it. He's making note of points where it's like, well, we might could have negotiated. moveable here. Yeah, this could have ended up being more money and more time off. Opening volley. From here

Jordan (01:20:47.000)

on out. If you are going to negotiate with the daily wire, make sure you watch that video. First, you will have a clearer idea of how to negotiate

Dan (01:20:53.000)

right. And now the other thing that is introduced by this is like just think about, like the kind of money that's flowing around like these people who were these mouthpieces are making it's a sick amount of money. Now, even if you imagine like someone like Candace Owens, or Matt Walsh is on the lower level than Steven Crowder, just based on Celebrity, let's say, Yeah, but Matt Walsh is still probably making what like a million a year, 2 million a year, that's sick money for someone like him, you

Jordan (01:21:23.000)

know what it is? And it's just occurred to me, you know, there is a morality tax on these contracts. Because you know, these people have no morality, so you have to pay them more than you would. Somebody who you know, has thoughts and emotions and feelings like a person, because they're gonna lie to you, or perhaps fucking record one half of your conversation.

Dan (01:21:47.000)

Now, you've got to pay

Jordan (01:21:49.000)

more, otherwise, they'll do evil shit like that to you. Wow.

Dan (01:21:53.000)

So Alex, was he had that interview with Piers Morgan? Ah, right. Yeah. And so talking about Ben Shapiro, and all this stuff, makes him think of Piers Morgan. He has some thoughts about his interview. Okay.

Alex Jones (01:22:05.000)

And by the way, when I did that interview over a week ago, with Piers Morgan, I hadn't seen it. I had watched it since we played a few clips, the crew God, I went this Sunday, and spent about an hour watching it, and reading the comments, and there was 9000 comments, then. Oh, sure. It's more now. And they were 99% Pro Alex Jones. on YouTube. He had like 400,000 views Sunday, I don't know what it is now. And I sat there for like an hour and I watch like, I'm sitting around the iPad. Hey, you said you're taking off today, we're gonna go with family on a hike and go eat dinner. Why are you doing this? And I said, Well, I just want to be able to tell my audience 99% Try to read like 1000 comments speed read?

Jordan (01:22:51.000)

Oh my god, I

Alex Jones (01:22:51.000)

sound like one out of 100 Sure, I'd read over 100 comments where I thought one comment against me. I mean, come on. Come on. You guys are done. Your poor

Dan (01:23:00.000)

wife. Alex is pushing 50 And he's congratulating himself about positive YouTube comments in a video where he argued with Piers Morgan i said

Jordan (01:23:09.000)

i That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. That is that is like

Dan (01:23:14.000)

that kind of a bar is so easy to clear. Looking good. Next appears Morgan.

Jordan (01:23:19.000)

Yeah. baby shoes, never worn YouTube comments. 99% Positive. I think they're very similar Honey,

Dan (01:23:27.000)

honey, I want to take the kids out fishing or whatever. But I got to read these YouTube comments so I can be sure when I tell my audience that they're 99% Positive. Listen,

Jordan (01:23:37.000)

I don't want to lie to my audience about the positivity of these YouTube comment. What a complete dork. That's amazing. But

Dan (01:23:44.000)

if we want to play this game, I would suggest you go check out the comments on Crowder's video where he plays that call with boring that's titled I didn't want to do this. They are almost wall to wall bad stuff like why did you have those negotiations then wait months to call him back and record that conversation? It looks like a massive publicity stunt. Hmm. Or maybe this one been watching Stephen since I was 13. But his recent actions are seriously disappointing. It's not a YouTube comment. But even Mike Cernovich tweeted about this big shitty That's Mike serval. So here's the deal. Crowder did did this to get a ton of attention and direct people to his new website stop big con.com Share he repeated in his videos big con is in bed with big tech. Trying to label big con is big conservative media, whatever. So that's his site that he set up to farm email addresses to create a new database since the blaze probably owns his old one. He says on his site quote, please go to Big stop big con.com and enter your email. This isn't just for louder with Crowder This is a petition to show big con How many of you out there want business practices like this to stop? If you're if you want your conservative allies in quotes to stop shilling for big tech Can muzzling their creators, please go sign your name. If you click the link, there isn't a petition. It's just an email input form. Some people have deduced that Crowder, registered this domain stop big con.com prior to making that phone call to boring, which he recorded and is currently using as the entire inciting incident for his campaign to stop big conservative media who are just in bed with big tech, which kind of doesn't make sense. No. On the surface, it's a pretty standard and block kind of conservative media grift. But the idea that Crowder didn't think people would put some of these pieces together is pretty laughable. And here's the big problem for Crowder, he's a tool. He's not important. Ultimately, he's just somebody that the billionaires have paid to push right wing ideas to teams. Yeah, the daily wire is important. That's a burgeoning institution with its own media wing and projects in the works for educational programming and conservative alternatives to mainstream culture. This is a giant project that is much stronger and much more supported than Crowder. That is a fight he is not going to win.

Jordan (01:26:05.000)

What amazes me about all of these people, what amazes me is how inversely correlated their belief in their talent is with their actual talent. Sure, like so many of these people believe that they've got some sort of media skill when in reality that can be exchanged in a heartbeat. Yeah, like your your bow for your button paid for. Yeah, no, that's you're a product.

Dan (01:26:30.000)

That's true. In some ways. I agree with you largely, but there are gradients of talent, even within that replaceable spectrum. So like, let's say Steven Crowder is way better than like Brandon Straka. Right in terms of having some kind of media chops. Right. That said, you could find 100 Steven Crowder's conceivably at an open mic Yeah. Or in like, totally, you know, you maybe not one open mic, but a number of open mics out fine. You could find a replacement for Steven Carter. Somebody's got chops heartbeat, somebody who's offensive and kind of funny.

Jordan (01:27:08.000)

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the thing with the these right wing talking heads is that they're as much as they want to talk about gatekeepers, like the reality is, there's no place for them to to, like, get better. You know, they go from, there's no like, organic movement of that kind of gradual growth where you work and toil in obscurity. Yeah. And then you have skills, you know, it's like, Hey, I decided to be an asshole.

Dan (01:27:38.000)

disincentivized Yeah, exactly. The only thing that you are kind of drawn towards, from a like, sort of a grindstone Yeah. Kind of thing is doing what the people who are funding whatever you're doing, want you to do. The more in line you get with that, perhaps the better your outcome will be. Yeah, but yeah, there isn't really there is I'm even abstractly trying to think what does it mean to get better?

Jordan (01:28:04.000)

Yeah, what would you do? Like what would you even if you like, if you're running it, like if you're Tucker Carlson, and you want to make your show better? It has nothing to do with making Tucker do one thing or another, you know, like the making the show better is all about, okay, well, we need to get our graphics in our movement and our motion, because Tucker's just an asshole.

Dan (01:28:25.000)

Well, we if you really want to make it better, you got to get him to try and get people to smoke. Yeah, I mean, right. Anyway, Stephens not gonna win this fight. He's up against something that is much more important than him. And he does not really have a life raft. And that's why he needs to team up with Yeah, this is a perfect on holy Avengers assembling kind of moment that they could have where they team up and attack the mainstream conservative media. Presumably Alex's actually independent and doesn't take money from billionaires leaving aside his early career being subsidized by a shady gold dealer, then that suspicious $8 million in Bitcoin he got last year, but leave that aside, prouder can own his past and wear it on his sleeve, how he was fully inside the belly of the beast. And he knows how billionaires control all of this right wing media for their own interests. He's sorry, he was a part of it. And now he's teaming up with Alex to be the real media for the Patriots. Yep, they could do it

Jordan (01:29:21.000)

they've it's the it's his only real option because he's a giant piece of shit.

Dan (01:29:24.000)

This won't happen though, because Alex can't come anywhere near affording Steven Crowder is clearly all about the money but Crowder has entered entered a tragic phase of his career essentially in order to make himself and keep himself relevant at all he needs to try to tear down the people that he's considered allies and friends. Honestly it's a pretty predictable place for a complete asshole like him to event it up but the his only yet the only real like further down the road kind of possibility because he's not gonna get re monetized on YouTube. No, that's not gonna happen. Yeah, these other platforms like rumble and all this shit and not gonna be able to pay him and whatever money he's going to be able to make off them is not gonna be anywhere near what he's accustomed to the kind of deal that the daily wire was offering him is perfect and he shit on that and idiot. Yeah, the blaze not going back there. Nope. It Fox News isn't gonna have absolutely not there is no what one American news? No, they're not gonna be able to pay a millions of dollars a

Jordan (01:30:23.000)

year, they're not even able to pay their themselves millions of dollars a year, anything

Dan (01:30:27.000)

that is conceivably like within the spectrum of of like that media is out right? He's gonna end up on Frank speech if he doesn't, if he's not careful, he's gonna be another Lyndale

Jordan (01:30:42.000)

he's gonna he's got to build his own thing. And that means having his own identity, and he doesn't have one. And in order to get one, you have to work really hard. And he doesn't really want to do that. And I'll give you my evidence, but he's doing his his plan to launch his new thing was, I'm going to secretly record the guy who tried to hire me before and then release it on the internet, therefore proving that I'm a trustworthy guy.

Dan (01:31:07.000)

We're making a little bit of an assumption in terms of like pudding filling in some of the connective tissue of the plan. But it seems fairly certain that if he registered, what's your register

Jordan (01:31:19.000)

the white? Yeah, once you register the website before you do the thing. Yeah,

Dan (01:31:24.000)

that that is that makes it feel like okay, this only really makes sense. If this was a plan. This was compelling. The call was farming the content in order to justify the call to action of raising a bunch of emails, like farming a bunch of people's emails, addresses for this. And yeah, that is a terrible plan. I don't think it's going to work. And I really wonder if he's going to end up at Infowars it'd be the best thing ever for Alex. You

Jordan (01:31:53.000)

know, every every time we think that we know the direction that conservative media is going to flow. Those vultures tear each other apart in a new way.

Dan (01:32:02.000)

And that's true, but think about like, so no one really has much talent at Infowars no one's getting like headhunted to a mother network or whatever. No, no, Alex couldn't afford to pay Roger. So he went over to Mike Lindau. Right went over to Frank speech right. Savannah Hernandez I guess had a little bit of chops a little bit of talent and so she went to work for the blaze. Yeah. Like there's no other game that like Crowder is gonna find its its its pillows or Alex. I think II. Anyway, good.

Jordan (01:32:35.000)

Good luck, or maybe pare back your expectations. Lower your overhead get good at making a show that people find enjoyable. And you'll have a job. You can just have your own job if you if you have an enjoyable show that people like if you really do think that you have 350,000 subscribers day one Yeah, then fuck fuck everybody else. You have Patreon. Absolutely fuck every but fuck the businesses fuck a job who gives a shit about $50 million. You can have up over $100,000 That's a million dollars. If

Dan (01:33:09.000)

you are Steven, and you have 300,000 people who would sign up for your shit. And you're charging what? Like 10 bucks a month? Yeah, something like that. Absolutely. All Access for whatever absurd. Then you end up with $3 million a month. Yeah. Boom, you're there. Right? You're $30 million. You did it. Yeah. dumb fuck. Anyway,

Jordan (01:33:32.000)

just so no, I don't understand that at all. But I

Dan (01:33:35.000)

think that the reason that some of this doesn't happen is that there isn't that organic support? No, it's not gonna have billionaires numbers are maybe a little bit lower than than he thinks.

Jordan (01:33:43.000)

And I think what they what they are all terrified of. And I think that's the thing that that's really not being said right here is the breaking of the facade. No, is well, I mean, yeah, but the breaking of the facade is this. Without the outlets, constant reminder and ease of access. These people are not going to click on a second link to go to Steven Crowder's website. That's, that's the thing that they're fair about. That's the That's the fear. And I mean, some people will and plenty of them will, but not enough to justify all of that shit, you know? Yeah.

Dan (01:34:22.000)

So we have one last clip here. Alex wishes that Ben Shapiro had a soul.

Alex Jones (01:34:27.000)

And so I wish Ben Shapiro household. I wish these guys were like me, but they're not. They're opportunists, Global's and think you're stupid. And guess what? You're not stupid, and they're gonna be defeated, just like Klaus Schwab. And just like Bill Gates.

Dan (01:34:42.000)

So this brings us to the end of Alex's coverage of the daily wire. Steven Crowder, sick. Yeah. He wishes that they all had souls like him.

Jordan (01:34:53.000)

You know, the irony of all of these conservative right wing fights is that when they fight each other, they use My arguments against each other as if

Dan (01:35:03.000)

but their politics. Exactly counter.

Jordan (01:35:06.000)

Like I can use my arguments because I have a belief system. Yeah. Yeah, I believe this and I will continue to do so. Yeah. And they're just like, hey, you know what you guys are all in the pocket of billionaires to Joe was

Dan (01:35:23.000)

Sam cedar on the majority report head of a good breakdown of how damning it is that Steven Crowder is introducing the idea that contracts can be exploitative. Yeah. And how for conservative ideology, this is a real big problem. Yeah. And I would encourage people who are interested to go ahead and watch that as well. That is another good point. And not just this,

Jordan (01:35:46.000)

the concept that a $50 million contract can be exploitive. That's a real Wait a second, if a $50 million contract can be an exploitative contract. What's my 50k a year doing right now? Right?

Dan (01:36:02.000)

Yeah, I find this interesting, but I also have, I don't feel like let them fight. Yeah. I don't feel that way. Because I don't I don't think the actual fight is interesting, per se. Yeah. I think that some of these may, you might call it unforced errors of saying things and making this about the contract and the money as opposed to like some sort of a subsidiary issue that you all could fight about and have a good time. Right. That's kind of interesting to me. And the fact that Steven Crowder is essentially in a position where he is exactly what Alex needs, and he has nowhere else to go. If he doesn't end up there. Yeah. I don't understand what's going on. I don't I don't know what they possibly could think if they're not like, let's team up. I don't

Jordan (01:36:51.000)

know. It seems like the right time. Yeah. No, because Alex has nothing to lose. They're

Dan (01:36:55.000)

both in Texas. Yep. Do it.

Jordan (01:36:59.000)

That's all I needed to hear. Alex. They're regionally similar.

Dan (01:37:03.000)

Alex Glenn Beck, a God told you to go against gone back. And

Jordan (01:37:07.000)

now he's telling you to go get Crowder and get louder. Yeah.

Dan (01:37:11.000)

Anyway. I was really thinking about this a lot this weekend. So this is a little bit off our beaten path, kind of because it is more about Steven Crowder than Alex, really. But I couldn't I couldn't get this out of my head this weekend. So here we are.

Jordan (01:37:28.000)

Well, I mean, anytime we get a view into conservative media, it does two things, it shows very clearly that they don't care about what they say they don't none of what they say means anything to them. And also how things are similar and different between Alex's Infowars and how the actual real people business works. Yeah, like Alex's Alex's contract is, you know that. Yeah. It's very interesting. How do you how how do you not look at Alex's model? And think it's the better one? You know,

Dan (01:38:05.000)

it is? Well, it is in some ways, and it is it isn't another? Sure. It depends on what kind of work you want to put in.

Jordan (01:38:12.000)

That's, I think that's yeah, that's it. Yeah. And he wants to be lazy. He wants everybody else to do all the other stuff except for the show. Yeah, I just want to do which I respect. Listen, I want to do the show

Dan (01:38:23.000)

exactly where you sit right now. You can only really pull that off if someone else is doing all that other stuff for you. And Alex has had those people too. And he's done a lot of it. TED ANDERSON did a little a lot of it for him to do Yeah, but Alex's model is better in as much as like, if you want to just say whatever the fuck you want, and be a real dickhead. Nobody's gonna stop you.

Jordan (01:38:51.000)

Yeah. And there's an audience for it from a content perspective.

Dan (01:38:55.000)

I don't see that as being that different from what Matt Walsh and Candace Owens Oh doing. Tim Poole. I don't see any of that as being that disconnected from Alex anymore. No, there might have been a big chasm in the past but it's

Jordan (01:39:08.000)

shrunk. Yeah, yeah, it has.

Dan (01:39:11.000)

Anyway, we will keep our watch this space.

Jordan (01:39:16.000)

Let's see when Crowder takes over the morning slot for Harrison Smith.

Dan (01:39:19.000)

Yeah, Harrison. You better days are numbered.

Jordan (01:39:21.000)

We've learned I don't know what you need to practice but you need to practice all of it. You need to change your name.

Dan (01:39:29.000)

Get a job at Frank's Yeah. Oh my God. You're fucked. Anyway, we'll be back. But until then we

Jordan (01:39:37.000)

have when we do acknowledge my.com We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. Yes,

Dan (01:39:41.000)

we are. Oh, we'll be back. But till then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo amnesiacs. Clark, but I'm also Dan and I live in Illinois.

Alex Jones (01:39:51.000)

Let's talk to Dan in Illinois and Spencer in Ohio. Dan, you're on the air.

Steve Quayle (01:39:54.000)

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Alex Jones (01:39:57.000)

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding

Andy In Kansas (01:40:01.000)

Well Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work