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I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back. No dread I'm Dan I'm Georgia Bill dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed. We are Dan

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Jordan Jordanna have a quick question for you sir.

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So what's your bright spot

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today? My bright spot today Jordan is I had some Windies.

Jordan (00:01:19.000)

Okay, all right. i All right. Did we do a gig together five years ago? Is that what just happened?

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What are you talking about?

Jordan (00:01:25.000)

That's the last time I went oh, was when you and I

Dan (00:01:31.000)

expecting that to be a reference? That's hot. Oh,

Jordan (00:01:34.000)

I didn't catch that. off of it. No, I'm talking to you. I don't even remember that. That's fair. That's the

Dan (00:01:41.000)

Wendy's. I remember doing some gigs with you and stuff. But I don't remember necessarily. Wendy's being a huge part of it. So I went to Wendy's. Okay, I love Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich. It's a fantastic Sammy. Delicious. I enjoy the spicy chicken nuggets. They have good spicy chicken is what a fantastic so I decided to go a little off the beaten path. Okay, they have a sandwich. Here we go. Like not been what's Yes. Hold the fucking tone fried chicken patty.

Jordan (00:02:13.000)

Garlic not been Yes. Fried Chicken patty. Yes.

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marinara. Okay. And a block of fried mozzarella. mozzarella stick patty.

Jordan (00:02:24.000)

What is happening? Yeah, what? That's obscene. That is a that's a pizza sandwich.

Dan (00:02:30.000)

Like a chicken parm chicken made into like fast food sandwich from break. So

Jordan (00:02:36.000)

it's good. It's good. It's good. That's, that's fun. That's of course it's good.

Dan (00:02:42.000)

It's a disaster. It's kind of like the famous bowl kind of, or the double down in turn, right? It's like, egregious. And whoever conceived of this is a monster. But it was good. Right? Of course. I'm not proud.

Jordan (00:02:56.000)

I think I think that's one of those like, oh, you can definitely trace evolutionary science through that. Because you're like, Oh, there's the only way that that a body would appreciate this much fat is if 10 million years ago we were fucking starving all the time. Like that's the only excuse for why this sandwich works.

Dan (00:03:14.000)

Oh, sandwich with a fried mozzarella stick junk. So good. What's your bright,

Jordan (00:03:21.000)

bright spot is? Well, I mean, it's been in the works for a while. But it's nice to be able to say it publicly. Now. We are going to be doing a live performance this show so I'm here because this is the Yeah, I knew I've been I was excited to tell you first of all, we're gonna go to Wednesday. We're gonna go to Wendy's on the way there and on the way back. What fun? Yeah, we're gonna do a live show in Milwaukee at the X ray arcade. What? Arcade? Yes, it is. thing, it's a thing of a jig. And the tickets will go on sale today. Friday if you're listening to this at 10am.

Dan (00:04:00.000)

Okay, so actually, you have a lot of people listen to this before that, right? So you're gonna have to wait until you aren't gonna

Jordan (00:04:06.000)

have to wait. You shouldn't you shouldn't listen to this before 10am. I think that's the lesson here.

Dan (00:04:11.000)

There's a gremlin? Yes, yeah, you need to have at least three cups of coffee before you can listen to the show. Yeah, so we're doing that. Yeah. What date is that? March 3,

Jordan (00:04:19.000)

march 3, march 3 I believe that's a Saturday Saturday March 3 Yeah.

Dan (00:04:24.000)

Or show does not lend itself to a live show. That's why we have you well done many other shows do Yeah. I mean, I understand that people like podcasts and they like live podcast through what is a podcast but two people or three people sitting around talking seems like it makes sense seems like people still enjoy that somehow. But I feel very weird. I understand. I have a I have a bit of a discomfort about the like, how uncomfortable it is to sit on a stage and press clip. You know, but yeah, we it's time Yeah, well,

Jordan (00:05:00.000)

you know, we'll do one every now and again. Sure, until we remember that we don't do those.

Dan (00:05:05.000)

It's also strange because I'm like, What the fuck are we going to cover? I mean, I guess me I was thinking like Milwaukee is a big beer city. Sure. Maybe your time Alex is drunk. That would work. I can't randomly find that seem to be underpowered. We've covered some great drunk times of his, but we've already covered them.

Jordan (00:05:23.000)

Yeah, the problem. The problem is I was pushing for the live show. It seems like it should go the other way. Right? You should be like, Hey, I found a topic that would only work for a live show. And then we can do one, instead of me forcing you into a state of panic.

Dan (00:05:36.000)

And especially if I found something that was like, Oh, this is relevant to a certain city. We gotta go Jordan playing a show in Tucson. Two years. So yeah, that'll be fun. That will be fun. It'll be interesting to see. You know, like we have a pretty dispersed audience. It'll be interesting to see what kind of a draw we could have in any place

Jordan (00:06:01.000)

fascinated because the very well, I could I could do tickets. I have no idea. I feel like the problem for us is other people have audiences in places and I think we just have 10 people in every city in the entire world.

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Do you think that other people who do shows also look at some demographic information or they have ads that help them geo locate that target audiences? That doesn't make sense we don't but the closest we have to that is me sending out buttons. Generally tell you we should be doing the show in Scotland, Scotland only? Yes. Okay. Australia and Scotland and

Jordan (00:06:35.000)

the mayor of Edinburgh is a walk we will go there for the key to the city. That is what we will do.

Dan (00:06:41.000)

Yeah, sure. Yeah. What the key did maybe city and Scotland doesn't know doesn't. So Jordan, we have an episode that indeed we do. So here's the situation we've been waiting for the 2023 predictions. And I got fed the fuck up.

Jordan (00:06:58.000)

It has it's it's almost 2024 based on how long these predictions are taking.

Dan (00:07:02.000)

Um, listen, Alex came back to Studio on Sunday. So he was he was back in studio Sunday evening. Show sucked. Yeah.

Jordan (00:07:11.000)

They still covered and twigs and stuff from the woods. Might

Dan (00:07:14.000)

as well write promotionally, tweak, cover. Right, right, right. I'm listening. I'm trying to find these. These these predictions. I'm not I'm not finding them and I'm becoming demotivated. Honestly, right. Even from a show perspective, I'm becoming demotivated because I'm just listening to Alex do the same shit. It's the same COVID narratives. just repackaged, right? It's just a new, someone on Twitter has a new graph. Oh, no, the same error is all of the other ones. And now it's a smoking bombshell that works. You know? Okay. Oh, great. The Bolsonaro he had the election stolen, just like in 2020 Share and so Antifa calm again. Well, the communists under the sway of Lula sure who have false flag taking over the capital in Brazil. Yeah,

Jordan (00:08:06.000)

that makes sense. Because because the here's why that makes sense. Because when the Antifa did it in the United States that worked? Why wouldn't

Dan (00:08:14.000)

you do it again? Right? And I don't know. Like I said, it's demotivate that is demotivating I get you. And I found myself, like cutting clips. And I'm like, well, here's an episode. I don't want to do it. I just don't want to do it. Right. And so.

Jordan (00:08:33.000)

So we're doing a live show, and we'll see you in March. All right, everybody.

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And then I just was like, Alright, we're going back to the past. So we're doing 2003. Good. We're gonna talk about December 16 2003. All right. And, hey, we're gonna get a little bit of a fallout of Saddam's capture. Of course, that was where we last left off in the past. Right? He was in a hole, right? So there's some interesting things to be learned on that front how that conspiracy is going to develop. And we'll get to that. But before we do, let's take a little moment. Say hello to some new wall. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Matt, the facts are there, but no one even cares. Thank you so much on our policy walk.

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Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Chloe binge listen to all the formulaic objections, and now her girlfriend thinks she's objecting to her form. In parentheses. She's mad. Thank you so much. You are now Paul this walk.

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Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, just a little teeny, baby. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk.

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you very much.

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Thank you Next Kara Cox. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

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Thank you very much. Next Emily, Frankie sawn and Scott Squatch. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy. Thank

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you very much. I would watch that show. Yeah. And

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damos an Aussie man, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:10:17.000)

Thank you very much. Deimos, an Aussie man or Damu. Maybe a demo that can be worked. Yeah.

Dan (00:10:21.000)

So also just wanted to say a nice bit of feedback. The Sebastian Murdoch's article in the Huffington Post came out this morning recording, and folks have said some very nice things about a reached out to Dan. I have read Alex's Yes. texts with Tucker. Yes. And I think I think that Sebastian has got a good handle on. Oh, good. Good work over there.

Jordan (00:10:50.000)

And good job, Sebastian. So it's fun to be friends.

Dan (00:10:54.000)

So we're gonna start here. And here's, here's where Alex is at visa vie, Saddam Hussein.

Alex Jones (00:11:01.000)

It's Tuesday, the 16th of December 2003. I'm Alex Jones, your host, we're gonna be live here. The next three hours. We will talk more about the whole Saddam Hussein situation and the latest developments here politically with that, and take your calls and get your response, your insight your take on it. We haven't had Paul Joseph Watson of prison planet.com, my webmaster and researcher on and a few weeks, we've got him coming on in the second hour to talk about the Saddam situation. And of course, mainstream headlines that mi six may have been involved in the murder of Princess Diana.

Dan (00:11:41.000)

Oh, shit.

Jordan (00:11:43.000)

Wait that? Oh, okay. Okay, hold on. These two things connected.

Dan (00:11:49.000)

No, we got Princess Diana news. Got a British British prison planet guy

Jordan (00:11:55.000)

course we got the P dire news. Yeah,

Dan (00:11:58.000)

I gotcha. And then we've got this at Abu Zaid situation. And I do think that it's probably the most worthless exercise to spend your time taking calls from Alex's listeners. What's your take on this? That

Jordan (00:12:10.000)

was my question take could you possibly have what good

Dan (00:12:13.000)

is it gonna do to help you understand the situation to talk to people who have been listening to you?

Jordan (00:12:21.000)

Here's my take. I think he's not him. That's false flag.

Dan (00:12:25.000)

There are some interesting takes. I mean, they're not helpful, but they're interesting. We'll hear those over the course of this episode. But there's something that happened, or something that Alex brought up that made me remember where we were in time. Okay, that made me very excited. Okay, because I had forgotten about this.

Alex Jones (00:12:43.000)

And look, I mean, Howard Dean George W. Bush doesn't matter who wins the election folks. They're all globalist the same agenda, gun control, open borders, more NAFTA and GATT. It's all the same stuff.

Dan (00:12:59.000)

Howard Dean was the front runner. He was Oh my God. He was the presiding member person who was probably going to be the Democratic candidate. Yeah, that wasn't do the yo until January. That was the last time a progressive candidate really felt like we had a shot.

Jordan (00:13:16.000)

That was the one and then he went. And that was it.

Dan (00:13:20.000)

Now, we are a month away from that at this point. So now that's given me some juice to stay Oh, man, how's he going to cover Howard Dean screaming, I'm never I'm never going to be such a scandal.

Jordan (00:13:31.000)

I'm never going to be able to handle living in my lifetime. Having gone through Howard Dean just going home. And his campaign fucking ending. To

Dan (00:13:40.000)

be fair, it was a pretty wild scream.

Jordan (00:13:43.000)

It was a pretty wild scream. I will admit that. I will. I will admit that we're gonna

Dan (00:13:47.000)

get into the nitty gritty on that. We're gonna dig deep into that screen when it comes up in January on Alex's show, but for now,

Jordan (00:13:56.000)

there is something to think you Ulation of that scream that is specific and unique.

Dan (00:14:00.000)

Oh, we're gonna be looking at decibel level. Yeah, we're gonna be looking at waveform. Here's the dynamic range here. What is it about this that terrified the world?

Jordan (00:14:10.000)

I think what happened was he reached at 400 hertz, and that was just too much for the old people. You know, they can't hear that high normally, and then he got that the end? Yeah, that's the way it happened. That's

Dan (00:14:21.000)

a good theory. Yep. So there are some people out there in the world who are questioning stuff about the Saddam capture and some of these people are weirdos like Alex Sure. And then some of them are in the halls of power.

Alex Jones (00:14:34.000)

Okay. Washington. Congressman question Saddam timing. This is out of the Associated Press. The Washington congressman, who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year has questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington State hold a Seattle radio station Monday. The US military could have found Saddam a long time ago. Go they wanted to ask him he thought the weekend capture was time to help Bush McDermott chuckled and said, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Democratic Congressman went on to say there's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing. And interviewed by Dave Ross asked again, if he meant to imply that Bush administration time the capture for political reasons McDermott said, I don't know that it was definitely planned on the weekend. But I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was it was just a matter of time. He'll they find him. It's funny McDormand added when they have been having all this trouble suddenly they have to roll out chomping

Dan (00:15:40.000)

later in that same article, it says quote, McDermott in a telephone interview with the Associated Press called the timing of Saddam's capture suspicious but said he was not alleging it had been intentionally delay. Yeah, of course. Basically, he was saying a man I'm just talking shit here. Yeah, just just talking.

Jordan (00:15:57.000)

Yeah, that was that's the one where it's like, if you're gonna do that, that way madness any anything could be Oh, it's so suspicious that the man was in a hole for what months? Yeah, of course, the

Dan (00:16:09.000)

timing was suspicious. Finding him in a hole is always good to be suspicious no matter what time yeah, no matter what time now, the other thing is, you have like this McDermott. And you have some other comments from folks who were like, Yeah, we're pretty close to finding Saddam, we think. Yeah. And this has turned into like them pre scripting, it should let you know ahead of time. Hey, we're about to find the right router as opposed to just being like, yeah, we've looked at some intelligence. We have some good leads.

Jordan (00:16:34.000)

Yeah, we got some update. Yeah. Like any detective would give you so he

Dan (00:16:38.000)

Alex is taking stuff like that and turning it into like there was four knowledge course. And that means that they had him on ice,

Jordan (00:16:45.000)

right? No, I mean, by that logic, anytime a police department catches a murderer, it's because they were the murderer whenever

Dan (00:16:51.000)

they give press conferences about how they have some leads that they're developing. Yep.

Jordan (00:16:56.000)

They've been murdered. Oh, you guys been murdered? And out there. I

Dan (00:16:59.000)

see you. I see you. Alex has taught us to read

Jordan (00:17:02.000)

the lines, man. It's helped us. Yeah, it's helped us a great deal.

Dan (00:17:06.000)

So look, there's some things you need to consider about this Saddam character that they found in this hole. I heard he's a bad guy. Oh, well, definitely. Okay. But you have to think about the appearance of this person. Right. He looked like he was in a hole he did. Part of that was his big beard. Right. But also, maybe that beard was suspicious.

Alex Jones (00:17:29.000)

By the way, it's been pointed out that Saddam's beard. And again, the average person can grow a beard that long and about a year or longer that, let's say scientifics, twice as fast. Half quarters of an inch a month. He got a six inch beard folks. He was supposedly videotaped a month after the globalist took over Iraq running around without a beard just with his mustache. So that's three and a half months. How did he grow that huge beard? And why is the beard gray right up to his temples? Because folks, I've seen a million beard so if you if somebody's going to have gray, solid gray up to their temples, and it's not gonna turn black suddenly at the temple, and right up to the top of his head. But his his hair is black, with no gray in it and then suddenly you get to his beard and it turns gray. Just and gently.

Dan (00:18:22.000)

I do not find this compelling,

Jordan (00:18:24.000)

not quite the Zapruder film.

Dan (00:18:28.000)

Now let's assume a beard grows to X.

Jordan (00:18:34.000)

Gray, and to the left, gray. And to the left.

Dan (00:18:39.000)

I don't know. I mean, I feel like I've seen those pictures. He has a pretty big beard. But also I'm somebody who always has had like pretty quick hair growth just in general. Oh, yeah.

Jordan (00:18:50.000)

No, you're absurd.

Dan (00:18:50.000)

I don't find it to be that weird that he has a bigger beard. And also the I don't think it's weird to have like salt and pepper areas? No, absolutely not. And Alex is pretending that it's like a Santa white beard photo and then it's black up top. And that's not accurate at all. And it's not like he couldn't have died. Something No, no, no, I've had the opportunity and the whole

Jordan (00:19:12.000)

makes him it makes the most sense for him to die. Right. He's he's a guy who dyed his hair for sure. Like that's, that's easy to easy to take that leap of logic. There

Dan (00:19:22.000)

is nothing in that is convincing to me that this is wait. So what is the what is the ultimate end of this? Well,

Jordan (00:19:31.000)

that's my question.

Dan (00:19:31.000)

It's not him. Right? I mean, like if you're saying that he couldn't have possibly grown a beard long enough, right in the time since he was last spotted right or whatever. Right? Then you'd have to say that either the person who you spotted previously isn't really him correct, or the person who they captured wasn't really right. Those are the only two conclusions here

Jordan (00:19:51.000)

or the one they captured was wearing a fake beard for some reason, right.

Dan (00:19:55.000)

There is there is some tossing around of that possibility. Right,

Jordan (00:20:00.000)

but that seems utterly insane of all the things for that man to have do

Dan (00:20:05.000)

well, but they also like the people who captured him also shaved him fairly quickly after Sure. Down to his mustache.

Jordan (00:20:13.000)

Oh, wait, they left him a mustache? Yeah, I guess that's polite. Sure is that polite?

Dan (00:20:18.000)

Hey, let him have his dignity with the most.

Jordan (00:20:20.000)

I suppose I'm only going to pronounce it that way from me. That's the only way to pronounce it.

Dan (00:20:26.000)

So I'm noticing in December 2003 Bit of a consistent pattern. Very, very strong trend. This happens every day.

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his water sponsor is on every day. The water filter people are on for bit of paid programming. Yeah, every day

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looks like they put a lot put more than 15 to 20k. Down.

Dan (00:21:02.000)

Well, yeah. But again, it's clear. Yeah, it is clear that this is a sponsor. That's true. It is trying to drive sales, there is no deception about it. But boy, is it every day. That's

Jordan (00:21:18.000)

you know what, I suppose that's the real question. There is at what point was it a point did they try it one time where they're like, what if we just don't say that it's brokered? And then it never got bad? And so they just kept doing it? Or did they like decide like, this is when we're going to stop saying that it's brokered programming, or like, was it just random? I like what happened?

Dan (00:21:40.000)

Well, an interesting wrinkle from the Tim pouget deposition stuff is that he wasn't around in 2003 Sure, wasn't around this early. So this this time predates any of that. That possible pay to play kind of dynamic he would know about Yeah, and I don't think that Alex has enough juice at this point to demand a $15,000 No, no, no. No, no, no for an appearance so but I'm just saying it's pretty consistent. It's pretty regular and it's getting annoying. Yeah, I believe it they don't have the goods No. Oh, no.

Jordan (00:22:17.000)

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Dan (00:22:21.000)

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Alex Jones (00:22:29.000)

what's on your mind today cliff?

Caller 1 (766) (00:22:31.000)

Well, you know I've just been kind of watching these videos they have on the news channels of this the Bose the and I think from looking at his mannerisms and this and that know that it might be him but I don't know if they just thrown him in the hallway. I think they've probably heard him

Jordan (00:22:48.000)

kill him well enough for his mannerisms to real here's

Alex Jones (00:22:53.000)

number one, they admit he had at least 10 body doubles I have government announcements from eight months ago where they're talking about number two Saddam number right Saddam number seven Saddam number 10. Saddam number three Saddam. And so we say it looks like Saddam. That's because we've seen the doubles so many times or is it really Saddam? Right. And they point out that Saddam had dark black eyes. This guy has light brown, are you brown eyes? Almost green eyes. Okay,

Dan (00:23:25.000)

okay. Look, where are we? What are we saying here? We're saying this isn't him? Right? Right.

Jordan (00:23:29.000)

It has to be he has different eyes, he has different eyes, it cannot be him. It's different eyes and an impossible beard. That is so so either he has got a fake beard and contacts on? Or it is not him.

Dan (00:23:44.000)

And do you see the hand gestures? When he speaks? Do you see the way he walks? i This is not

Jordan (00:23:49.000)

I swear to you, I my wife, I would not be like, Oh, that's not the mannerisms of my wife. I that mannerisms? I'm not going to try and identify somebody based on their mannerisms, especially if I've only seen them on

Dan (00:24:02.000)

TV. Well, I know these people intimately know, timidly knows the DOM. Seems

Jordan (00:24:09.000)

like he's raises his right hand whenever he drinks tea, obvious. He's

Dan (00:24:12.000)

well known. Yes. Well known in intimate circle. So you could get a sense that the point that's being driven out here is that it's not set up. But they're not saying that they're not saying that, which seems difficult, but it's hard to figure out what another conclusion would be from these conspiracies. And these pieces of information that they're pretending are important. I'm going

Jordan (00:24:38.000)

to throw this out at you. Here's my conspiracy. All right. We know that Saddam has 10 body doubles, at least Sure. Right. So what if at a certain point of time, Saddam went to each body double and was like, Okay, I'm gonna pick the best features from each one of my body doubles and then put them on my face to become the perfect Saddam

Dan (00:24:59.000)

That's interesting. Now what about this for so Tom doesn't have body doubles, but he likes to play dress up as things are very close to himself.

Jordan (00:25:11.000)

Okay, okay. Okay so he's he's like doing it's like a Halloween costume a costume yourself of himself. Yes. Yeah.

Dan (00:25:18.000)

really enjoys that so in order to not look weird everyone has to say that he has a bunch of bodies

Jordan (00:25:24.000)

like if Ken Griffey Jr. was on the reds and he went to Halloween wearing a mariners jersey, that's that's the type of situation you're talking about here,

Dan (00:25:32.000)

maybe or with like, just a slightly different nose shape or something, you know, like, or like, I don't know, I brows that are a little different, or something.

Jordan (00:25:43.000)

You just saved a little white shape and is a little different. Yes.

Dan (00:25:47.000)

See, that was Saddam's Quirk.

Jordan (00:25:49.000)

Are you going to wear? Are you going to wear a Halloween costume this year?

Dan (00:25:53.000)

Maybe my body double will be coming to the party. So

Jordan (00:26:00.000)

everybody has to act like it's not him. Like his body dictate. Oh my god. Ah, it's so good to not have to talk to Saddam around you. Saddam's body double.

Dan (00:26:10.000)

You're so chill compared to him. He's uptight. So, one of my favorite movies. Yeah, for many years, and I haven't watched it in a while. But I still think I still like it. Waking Life. Great movie I enjoy. I like movies where people are just talking.

Jordan (00:26:28.000)

Just a lot of talking. Yeah, it's a big talking. Uh huh.

Dan (00:26:31.000)

I enjoy sort of the the lucid dreaming aspect of it. I like the kind of some of the ideas that are being thrown around or fun ideas to think about. And of course, Alex Jones is in it.

Jordan (00:26:44.000)

Right? That is not quite on the top of your list.

Dan (00:26:48.000)

I don't know if it's the first time I ever saw Alex Jones, but it very well might be I'd see. Because I remember the first time I saw waking life and I didn't see the person in the car screaming. I'd be like, That's Alex Jones. Yeah. So I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't know his mannerisms. Right at that point, right. But he has probably the most uproarious segment in the in the movie. There's a lot of scenes that are wildly Wiggins, just talking to somebody Yeah. And they're talking about like, human psychology, or stuff like that. And Alex is driving around with a bullhorn yelling about how humanity's going to make it because they're too good. Yeah. And so it's definitely a different feel from the rest of the movie. Yeah,

Jordan (00:27:38.000)

I remember seeing the movie when I was younger. And obviously, you take note of the crazy screaming guy, but it wasn't until like, literally, I mean, into a few months of us doing the show that I was like, Oh, shit, you're right. That was Alex fucking Jones. Yeah, waking life. Crazy.

Dan (00:27:58.000)

Yeah, I saw that the ragtag cinema cafe in Columbia, Missouri. Back when it was a really like small fucking theater, you had, like, thrown together? Secondhand chairs. Oh, yeah. That was your indie movie theater kind of place. Yeah, through a bit towards the end of my time there. And I'm sure it's still. You know what else? Like, it grew to the point where it had like a full bar share and everything. But yeah, at this point, it was just the room just just a church basement. Yeah. And so that's where I saw waking life. But anyway, yeah, Alex? Sure. Maybe one of the is seen stealing. situation, no one's gonna argue. But here's what he has to say about his star turn, waking life.

Caller 1 (766) (00:28:47.000)

And it's like you said in the waking life, it's all a big buffet of lies, and I'm not eat. Yeah. Well, thanks, Alex. You're doing a great service to the country.

Alex Jones (00:28:59.000)

I appreciate you my friend. Yeah, for those that don't know, you know, I never tried to be in a Hollywood movie, but it was a Fox Searchlight production. And the director called me up. Or Richard Linklater, and he said, Hey, you want to be a movie? And they, they say, according to a news article, whose article was that? It was that Ebert guy that my my seen at the film festivals, we get standing ovations. I know that here in Austin, when they showed it, but that that was a lot of fun doing that movie. And yeah, it's my best rant ever, in that film, and it's got Ethan Hawke in it, and a bunch of other people as well, but I want to get off into discussions of movies. It is debatably

Dan (00:29:40.000)

his best rant ever.

Jordan (00:29:42.000)

I mean, yeah, yeah.

Dan (00:29:45.000)

But also, like, I just I find it difficult to imagine that that would get standing ovations at festivals or theaters. For a couple reasons. One, it's in the middle of in the middle of the movie is a big problem. Yeah. Second, I think the crowd that's drawn to waking life is not going to necessarily be the kind of crowd that gets riled up. No, no, it's a snooty kind of maybe a calm, intellectual type audience generally that's going to be attracted to a movie, where hey, what happens in it? People talk to each other,

Jordan (00:30:22.000)

their most violent tendencies tend towards the scathing word, I would be one might say, I

Dan (00:30:28.000)

would be more prone to believe that you'd get a standing ovation for the scene where it's Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy reprising their characters from before sunrise. Yeah,

Jordan (00:30:36.000)

I believe that I 100% believe that. Yes. 100% That seems

Dan (00:30:41.000)

to be over the speed Levitch seem like that's gonna be more likely to get a standing ovation for a bunch of bunch of dorks. And I say that in thought.

Jordan (00:30:52.000)

I was gonna say you you would be in there. You will be hanging out with them. dorks probably. Yeah. So anyway,

Dan (00:30:57.000)

we get some calls. Some more calls. Another guy's got a theory.

Alex Jones (00:31:01.000)

Casey, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Go ahead. Thanks, Alex. God bless you. I appreciate your call. What's on your mind? Um, well, I

Caller 2 (766) (00:31:10.000)

just like to caution everybody. First of all, when there's this many lips moving about any subject, there's something funny. No, all these. To me, I think that none of them are him. I mean, they're just playing a shell game with these photographs. If you look at the ones that they just showed with the beard, and the one without the beard next to him. It looks like that face was built around those eyes.

Alex Jones (00:31:37.000)

Okay. Well, let me say this. There's no real discussion other than Dan Rather saying hours after the announcement Sunday morning that this is him. We've done DNA testing. We've proven it dental records. Then it came out the government never said that. So Dan, rather was just making that up. And that's removing. Yeah, his lips were moving. And then we add to this all the lies they've told us in the past.

Dan (00:31:59.000)

This is This is fun. Here's a new conspiracy. There is no there's only body doubles.

Jordan (00:32:06.000)

No one's ever seen the real Saddam. Yeah, he's like Blofeld. He died in 82. Yeah, exactly. He's body double. God damn. So say is what's going on here. And to check

Dan (00:32:18.000)

in on what Alex is saying here. They did take DNA samples when Saddam was captured. And he also straight up just admitted

Jordan (00:32:26.000)

that Yeah, well, I mean, why why not? At that point? Yeah.

Dan (00:32:29.000)

By December 14, the president of the Iraqi Governing Council, Abdel Aziz al Hakim had announced that the DNA tests had confirmed that Saddam was in fact, Saddam. That was two days before this episode that we're listening to Eric and Alex is saying that it was just Dan Rather making stuff just Dan

Jordan (00:32:46.000)

Rather making it up. Yeah, you know, you know how old Dan used to be humble fuck on Alex. I, I've never been able to get over there. And it's a McCobb thought it's a McCobb thought but I've never been able to get over the idea of somebody just knowing where Saddam was and then just being like, backing up a giant trailer of dirt and just dropping it over there and just being like, I've never seen the guy no idea where he is and then we just never find out you were right. That is a McCobb it's a McCobb thought but it's like the idea of never finding Saddam because he was in the hole underground that somebody almost accidentally just paved over is insane to me.

Dan (00:33:25.000)

Yeah. But you kind of think that eventually that story would come out. Told eventually Yeah, never I don't think you'd ever be able to it to be a legend that will never be so Oh, I

Jordan (00:33:37.000)

know it's but I mean you know it's kind of like that that modern version of a cooper know when they found King Charlamagne 's bones in like in like a parking garage in the in the UK or whatever it was I don't know if Charlemagne or whatever, but it was a it was an old like 600 ad kind of No,

Dan (00:33:53.000)

no, no, no, you misunderstand. They found a bootleg copy

Jordan (00:33:59.000)

Oh, okay. That my bad. My bad. We did we went. We went different Charlamagne res

Unknown Speaker (00:34:07.000)

that's the way to do it.

Dan (00:34:09.000)

Good song. Yeah, maybe.

Jordan (00:34:12.000)

Let's not go crazy.

Dan (00:34:13.000)

So there's some big news man on the legislative front. Okay. We know that Alex is opposed to the Patriot Act. He is opposed to Patriot Act Two, which didn't exist, but apparently it does.

Jordan (00:34:27.000)

Oh, no, it does. Now

Dan (00:34:27.000)

it got signed. Oh, no

Alex Jones (00:34:29.000)

more shine Patriot Act to this weekend. Did you learn that from Ron Paul yesterday and never even got to it? That's coming up with Paul Watson.

Dan (00:34:38.000)

I find it completely impossible to believe that Patriot Act Two got signed. Alex forgot to get to it on yesterday's show. Hey,

Jordan (00:34:47.000)

listen, you know sometimes we were busy. We were talking about other stuff.

Dan (00:34:51.000)

One of the most singular obsessions of my show is I just forgot

Jordan (00:34:57.000)

now but that's how that's how many body doubles have set up. There are that's why they caught him when they did it so they could sign Patriot Act to without Alex having the time or

Dan (00:35:06.000)

wherever. That would be the exact conspiracy you would go right there. It's on the table and it's not really That's insane. Yeah, that is that is really strange. So we got a caller here and he has he does some street team work for Alex does promotional work. Okay. And this kind of bummed me out.

Alex Jones (00:35:25.000)

Let's talk to John in Texas. John, good to hear from you. Hey Alex, how you doing? Fantastic.

Caller 3 (766) (00:35:30.000)

Good. First of all, God bless you, man. I listened to you all the time. And I pronounce stuff from various websites and yours including yours in prison planet and I handed out to people when they don't get me. And they inevitably get really quiet. Yep,

Dan (00:35:46.000)

they do. They Yes, they do. He is presenting this like a Oh, I stun them with my truth. They're just like,

Jordan (00:35:54.000)

the end of us communicating.

Dan (00:35:57.000)

I get real quiet because they don't want to talk

Jordan (00:36:00.000)

to me ever again. Yeah, they get real quiet.

Dan (00:36:04.000)

I wouldn't tell the story this way.

Jordan (00:36:06.000)

No, no, no, no, no. I mean, that's, that's a little bit like, Okay, I wore my I wore my Klan outfit to the BT awards. And they got real quiet real quick, like, well, yes, they Yes, they did, sir. Sir.

Dan (00:36:20.000)

So why Yeah. So Paul, Joseph Watson comes along. And he joins Alex for a little bit. They ended up taking some calls together, which we'll get to, but he also has a warning to the people who are speculating about Saddam.

Alex Jones (00:36:36.000)

Paul, what's your take on the situation?

Caller 4 (766) (00:36:40.000)

Well, first off, I like seeing a lot of people being led up the garden path on one issue, and then we need sort of amputate completely a line of inquiry that is serving as a distraction. And there's a lot of the disinformation on it already. And that is the Yes, it is the real in inverted commas. Stan, who was saying it's not a double. I've been receiving dozens of emails saying, you know, compare the nose, compare the years, it's

Jordan (00:37:05.000)

telling me it's not have the historical. I know.

Caller 4 (766) (00:37:10.000)

It's the same man. And some are saying that you can't do a DNA test that quickly when in fact, if you have everything prepared before and then you can finish a DNA test in 12 hours. So we

Alex Jones (00:37:21.000)

said Paul was is that we know he had at least 10 doubles show it's okay to ask that question.

Caller 4 (766) (00:37:28.000)

Yeah. And that's all we're doing at the moment. Because as I said, I mean, expect something to come out a major smoking gun in the next three weeks or so which will confirm it either way. But

Dan (00:37:38.000)

yeah. So Paul is saying that we need to amputate this line of questioning about it being a different person, because this is Saddam. That's nonsense, the people who are questioning all this stuff. And also, you can do a DNA test that quickly, basically debunking all of the things that everyone has been saying everything that Alex himself has been saying, then Alex is like, hey, now hold on, there's a bunch of body doubles. So we can make questions about this. And Paul's like, Yeah, you bet you can't

Jordan (00:38:08.000)

even do it. It is it is hard not to think like well, I mean, you can ask questions, like, if I was, if I was Paul, I'd be like, yes, you can ask questions. I'm giving you the answers. Yeah, the after you get the answers. The question time is done. I'm giving

Dan (00:38:20.000)

you the the answers to these questions. And I'm also going to tell you that continuing to go down these line of questions make you look like an idiot. And it seems like you want to continue going. Hey, Paul, did I tell you about his beard?

Jordan (00:38:34.000)

Great. No, I get that. I get that, but it is well, okay, well, teleologically, we will end up in the same place. Alex, do you understand this?

Dan (00:38:44.000)

It seems like neither of them have much of a backbone in terms of like, where they stand on these conspiracies. Paul comes in appearing to have one right then gets cowed by Alex,

Jordan (00:38:57.000)

of course you can ask questions. And that's all we're doing right now. We're just asking questions. Again. There is an answer. It's a damn it. Damn it. Damn. Yep.

Dan (00:39:04.000)

So we get another call. And this guy has some thoughts about taxes.

Alex Jones (00:39:08.000)

And Tom in Colorado, Tom, welcome, sir.

Caller 4 (766) (00:39:11.000)

Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen. Alex, it's a pleasure to talk to you. This is probably a little off topic. But I've only been a short time listener. You may have covered this in the past, but I was wondering if you've ever done any investigation on our income tax system, and the fact that maybe it does. Yeah,

Alex Jones (00:39:28.000)

I had IRS agents, Treasury agents. They never ratified the 16th Amendment. The collection agency for the Federal Reserve, Ron Paul has said that, yes, I've done about 100 shows on it. So apparently Alex

Dan (00:39:41.000)

is fully on the they didn't ratify. How do they not ratify amendments? This is just a big tax protester conspiracy or tax denier conspiracy. Yeah. Yeah. So that's fun. How, how he might as well he's been is right in line with like sovereign citizens. Sure,

Jordan (00:40:02.000)

sure. And the Fed was only passed by three senators and all that stuff Wayne Paul would have, you know, right. I would like a further explanation of exactly how the sequence of events occurred that an amendment to the fucking Constitution was ratified without actually being ratified. Well,

Dan (00:40:19.000)

it has to do with like, some weird technicality about like, who the language is slightly. There's allegations of that I looked into this a while back when like red Beckman was on the show. Yeah, it's all nonsense. I'm

Jordan (00:40:32.000)

so annoyed by that idea that that's the problem. That's what movies have done to people's brains as they've they've convinced them that there's a last second technicality that will solve all problems. Yeah, if you just think about it hard enough. Aha, he couldn't have been there. His shoe was left untied. Like, that's all you need. Oh,

Dan (00:40:51.000)

mystery shows. Yeah. Pop shows. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. So Alex gets another call. And this guy I thought was going in an interesting direction. I think you'll think that too. Don't get too excited.

Alex Jones (00:41:05.000)

KENNETH in South Carolina, you're on the air. Go ahead.

Caller 5 (766) (00:41:07.000)

Alex might listen to you a great deal, and I enjoy your broadcast. But the last time I called in, you said that unemployment in this country is 16%. And the official figure when I read the Wall Street Journal all the time I read Investor's Business Daily. Those are the leading business newspapers. They reported just recently that unemployment is 5.9%.

Alex Jones (00:41:30.000)

Okay, I said that they say unemployment is 6%. That's right. Okay. But they only count who is on the unemployment rolls. When you go off the rolls. That's not put into the statistic. Can you hold me over? Sure. We'll talk about it on the other side.

Dan (00:41:48.000)

So this made me think that this guy is confronting Alex about his misinformation about the

Jordan (00:41:55.000)

I mean, he reads the Wall Street Journal all the time, right? They have told him the truth.

Dan (00:41:59.000)

And you can tell from Alex's response that he's getting defensive immediately nose understanding is that this guy is calling me out on my shit, right? And so he knows I've got to defend myself. Yeah. So we come back from break. And the caller is agreeing with what? Alex? Alex himself is confused.

Alex Jones (00:42:19.000)

We're talking on my shelf and Paul Watson, we're talking to Kenneth in South Carolina. Kenneth, when you heard the show the other day, I clearly stated that they claim unemployment at 6%. But that even in the past, it's always conservatively, double that because it's whoever's gone off the rolls. That is how they calculated. And the numbers I've gotten are 15 to 17%, depending on what alternative economist you're looking at. I know on my street, where I live, a lot of people are unemployed, a large percentage of people are taking two or three service jobs. So in some of the statistics, they'll count a person working two jobs, two people employed,

Unknown Speaker (00:42:59.000)

that a middle income neighborhood where you're living. Yes. Okay. Let me just put one more question.

Alex Jones (00:43:03.000)

Oh, well, no, I mean, I'm glad you're asking the question. But I know this unemployment is well above what they're saying it is. But but But you go ahead.

Unknown Speaker (00:43:11.000)

Okay, I wanted to, I used to work in the textile industry. And that was a textile plants were somewhere if I wanted to go out, I can always get a job. Because there were lots of them in this country. Now, we only make 20% of our textiles in this country. Why do people like Rush Limbaugh, and he's echoing our government. They believe that these kinds of jobs are just expendable. And in the next five years, the remaining 20% of the textile jobs, they're going to be leaving. But why are these jobs just expendable?

Alex Jones (00:43:43.000)

Well, now I thought you were cool unemployment numbers.

Unknown Speaker (00:43:49.000)

I wanted to ask the second question.

Jordan (00:43:53.000)

Okay. It's confusing. You, sir. Have juked where I thought you were not going to Yeah, you

Dan (00:43:59.000)

broke Alex's. Well done. So I mean, there are other ways to calculate unemployment rates, you know, like there's there's some that include underemployment and discouraged worker figures here, and that number is going to be higher than your base unemployment rate. That said that number including underemployed people discouraged worker figures that was just under 10% in December 2003. So Alex is right that there are other factors that are at play in unemployment, but he's also exaggerating like he always does

Jordan (00:44:31.000)

I mean, it is it that's, that's one of those nitpicky arguments though, like but like too often with baseball stats, you know, like you can, you can talk about wins above replacement average, you can but different people calculated differently. Like there's the baseball prospectus graph, and then there's this oh, there's all this stuff's true. And sure, you can nitpick on unemployment rate, like what's the total Oh, unemployment rate doesn't tell you the total number of unemployed people. Well, because who gives us fuck about the total number of unemployed people? It's about that thing, you know, like, what? It doesn't matter if you're arguing about the substance of this statistic, if you're not using the statistic for the point of what it's doing, right? Yeah. And you can arguably say that it's for people who are part time employed, who are looking for a full time job, and, or all of those things. But you could also include the people who aren't looking for a job that aren't normally counted for, you know, like, it's all of those stuff. And at the end of the day, if you're using the stat right war is going to tell you that Mike Trout is a really good fucking baseball player, you know, like I get, you can get into the nitty gritty of how it's calculated, but it's going to tell you what it's good for, by how it works. You know what I mean?

Dan (00:45:40.000)

The somewhat Yeah, I think I understand what you're saying. There's no point in arguing over like, is

Jordan (00:45:45.000)

it 5%? Or 10%? That's my that's my point.

Dan (00:45:48.000)

Well, I think I think that that is fair, somewhat, but I also think that Alex's if if like, you have this base rate of about five, and then about 10, including the sort of underemployed folks, and then you have Alex saying it's 16 Yeah, he's off 50%. That's an awful lot. So I mean, it is a relevant amount that he's off from these, these are even including some of the factors that he's discussing. Right? I think that matters, because he's somebody who's, you know, espousing these ideas and saying that he has access to the real truth. That's

Jordan (00:46:27.000)

that's what I'm Yes, that's what matters. Yes. He was throwing out a number that was bullshit. And you can tell because of the real numbers having know that they're not that close to that. Yeah. So but but arguing whether the actual number of unemployment that's not what we're talking about now,

Dan (00:46:46.000)

not necessarily. And I don't think that anybody who actually like you know, cares about this stuff and deals with these numbers. I don't think any of them don't understand the difference between like the base unemployment rate and, and this sort of adjusted employment rate. Yeah, they it's not like he's not blowing anyone's mind with

Jordan (00:47:06.000)

Chicago Business School isn't like a bubble Wall.

Dan (00:47:09.000)

The Wall Street Journal is gonna send out a hit team.

Jordan (00:47:12.000)

This isn't supposed to get out there.

Dan (00:47:14.000)

Let people know the secret. So speaking of hit teams, we get to Princess Diana. And here's some big news.

Alex Jones (00:47:23.000)

Let's shift gears and the Princess Diana then into massage and the fake bombing activities of the Scotsman reports Diana's death link to MI six plot or than six years after the deaths of Diana and Prince of Wales and Dottie Alfie odd. The questions surrounding the Paris car crash in which they were killed continue to grip public imagination. This just came out with some new developments. What's going on, Paul?

Caller 4 (766) (00:47:46.000)

Well, yeah, there was an article in the BBC as well yesterday, which basically confirmed the fact that Henri Paul, the driver of the car was an MI six informant.

Dan (00:47:56.000)

Oh, so there was this article in The Scotsman but the only thing that it even claims is that Dodie Alfie Ed's brother is claiming that the crash that killed Diana quote, had striking similarities to an earlier mi six plot to remove Slobodan Milosevic.

Jordan (00:48:12.000)

Okay, that's it. So it's Princess die, and the Milosevic, those are the two this one was used for Gotcha.

Dan (00:48:17.000)

So the headline of this article is quote, Diana's death likened to MI six plot, but you might notice that Alex reports that as quote Diana's death linked to him is a little bit different. Yeah, a little bit different. Those words look similar. I understand you could make a mistake, but it's not a coincidence that Alex consistently makes this exact same error reporting false versions of headlines in just such a way that confirm his narrative. That's, it's, it's not a mistake. Also, Henri Paul was not with MI six, and you should take note of the weaselly way Paul is conveying this information, saying it's basically confirmed means that it's not Yeah, but he's trying to get across to the audience that it is confirmed. A former mi six agent named Richard Tomlinson had said that he'd seen files that showed that there was an MI six informant who worked in security at the Ritz hotel. He never specified that this was Paul and it's never been corroborated. The inquest into these theories even says, quote, Richard Tomlinson accepted that some of this detailed may be knowledge he subsequently obtained from the media that he has mixed with his own recollection. Well, this is not concrete stuff. And this is maybe forcing a new cycle for Alex.

Jordan (00:49:36.000)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's never gonna go out of style. It's the ROI. If any royal family wants you dead, and then later on, you turn up dead in an accident. It's never going to be accepted. Right fact that it's an accident, right? You know, it's just not going to

Dan (00:49:53.000)

and I mean, for our first live show that we did here in Chicago when we talked about the day after Breitbart died. Oh yeah, we did end up talking bit about Princess Diana and I, I went deep on that. And I remember it being a tough experience. Yeah, I didn't want to open that back right writer I said, but I remember all of this is nonsense. Yes. Yeah, but also fuck.

Jordan (00:50:18.000)

I know it's, it's I mean, it's their fault. They shouldn't have killed so many people in the past so

Dan (00:50:25.000)

we know in the present day Yeah, Alex loves Putin but in the past he knew a lot of things about Putin that he seems to not know anymore things that would make you hate Putin and also I would say that things of these these aren't things that he doesn't know anymore. It's he knows to not be true anymore. Which is you know, of course there's the apartment bombings Sure. The 1999 bombings right that he did and then here's another new one. Okay.

Caller 6 (766) (00:50:51.000)

Now, would you tell me what you said while ago he's talking about Russian slave guards, but what What was that word

Alex Jones (00:50:57.000)

Okay, I got BBC I got Scotsman I got AP I got Reuters, but Limbaugh or Hannity would never touch it. Our good little reform buddies Putin. For three years in a row, what happens each year time North Korea owes $4.3 billion last time I checked now to access that middle file folks a little bit of hesitation there. And to pay down the interest on their debt, they transfer 30 plus 1000 slaves, political dissidents, via the Trans Siberian Railway, to mines and timber programs in areas all over Russia. And it's come out because a lot of these North Koreans escape, because the Russian guards refused to shoot them. They interview local Russians about how sad it is that they're starving to death, they work them to death. Putin has had a press conference three years ago was what really made news thanking Kim Jong Il who visited Russia for paying the debt with 30,000 slaves. So it's right out in the open Paul Watson. Wow, that

Dan (00:52:03.000)

sounds like somebody you probably shouldn't be cool with and support I

Jordan (00:52:07.000)

think is I'm sorry, is this true?

Dan (00:52:09.000)

Well, it's, it's there's a little bit of truth and a little bit of Alex being. So there is a lot of laborers go from North Korea and work in Russia. Okay, that is true. A part of this has to do with the fact that both are fairly isolated from international community naturally. So there aren't other places where like North Korean laborers could go to work. Yeah, there is an issue. So there is an aspect of this that is migrant labor. Somewhat a Yeah. Now you also have Russia and North Korea, there is an issue. So there are very serious allegations of mistreatment of these workers and also of their wages basically being stolen by North Korea. Yeah. So yeah, there is a number of people who have likened it to a slave condition right rare and so there is some truth to some of this, right? I am not sure that it is the case that paying off debt with slaves knee that seems I don't know, I don't know if I can get behind

Jordan (00:53:19.000)

that one. That's the one that gets me. You know, like, everything else. Fucking that's what prisons do in California. Of course, they do that shit. The actual government saying we're gonna sell you these people for debt. Yes. The one that I'm not sure

Dan (00:53:34.000)

that I'm not positive of as well. But if you're Alex, you know,

Jordan (00:53:40.000)

I mean, that's a great story. Sure. But

Dan (00:53:42.000)

if you're Alex, you can't know that some world leader Yeah, is accepting payment and slave there is that from North Korea, and then be like, You know what, that guy's great.

Jordan (00:53:57.000)

I want. You know what, I want that guy in control of the Axis powers running this world.

Dan (00:54:04.000)

You know, that guy? That guy is really what Trump should be, you know, and he's right to invade Ukraine.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:10.000)

Yeah, man.

Dan (00:54:11.000)

He's the guy who's back I want to I want to get behind that's, that's fucking nuts. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. These, these awarenesses that you have at different periods for him.

Jordan (00:54:21.000)

You just, you just don't know where you're gonna go. The moment you start getting in with fascists, you know? Like, I'm sure whenever whenever Alex was started jumping on the Trump train, he wasn't immediately going, aha, you know where I'm sure this is gonna lead me justified.

Dan (00:54:37.000)

Over running for Brazilian.

Jordan (00:54:41.000)

Exactly. You know, it just takes you down interesting pathways. Yeah, there's something to be said for an interesting pathway. Sometimes

Dan (00:54:46.000)

you could like you know, this is choice A and sometimes you can see what B and C are gonna be yes. Oh, yeah. No idea.

Jordan (00:54:53.000)

No idea where else is gonna go. And here we are. I'm just defending a fascist dictator.

Dan (00:54:59.000)

So Paul, All he gets a question from a caller. And they want to know like, Hey, man, the UK. Y'all gonna stand up? Good question. Y'all gonna stand up and fight.

Alex Jones (00:55:11.000)

Charles, Louisiana. Go ahead, Charles, are you doing so? Fine.

Caller 6 (766) (00:55:14.000)

I have a question for Mr. Paul. And I think that people in England will stand up. When the time comes. If it comes. Do you think they have the guts to stand up?

Caller 4 (766) (00:55:26.000)

Well, I think they have the guts, but they don't have the guns because we've been completely disarmed. So, I mean, that's that's why the main focus of our websites is on America because it's the last bastion of freedom where people are armed and a lot of people are still informed as to what's going on. So I mean, England is basically a completely spineless socially cesspit, I'm afraid to say no. And that's been the case for many years. So my main focus is on saving America and saving the world via you know, that route because England, England's basically gonna

Dan (00:55:55.000)

save America save the world. We spent,

Jordan (00:55:57.000)

we spent $10 trillion on the Queen's funeral because we're a socialist utopia.

Dan (00:56:04.000)

It's, you know, fine. Yes. The guns are the only thing that matters. The only thing that matters. Yep. Also, is that the same color who makes all the tapes? He has that same kind of old man voice. I can't remember if that guy's name was Charles. He's not Louisiana denture? No, no. There's the other guy who you're right. You're right. There's a couple there's a couple of characters at this period. Yeah, his

Jordan (00:56:27.000)

thing is his accent doesn't it's not strong Louisiana. You know, like he's got he's got like, tons more dentures than Louisiana. No, I mean, Louisiana. Dentures is Louisiana denture Oh, through it through this guy's accent isn't is a light Louisiana. He doesn't have that hot.

Dan (00:56:43.000)

Yeah, so this guy, this guy sounds like a cartoon character. He's got a little bit of it. But I'm not saying a southern cartoon character. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So most of this episode, Alex has been boosting that Ray McGovern is going to be on this guy was a CIA adviser analyst kind of fell out back in the Reagan administration related to George McGovern. No, I don't think so. But Alex takes calls with Paul kills time. And then Ray McGovern finally shows up for like the last 20 minutes of the show. Ouch. Now Ray is a guy who has had some decent points over the course of his career, okay. But he is also one of the founders of the veteran intelligence professionals for sanity. So this is that group that also includes William Binney, Alex's buddy, the technical head of the NSA. William Binney, that's not good. Bouza is most famous probably lately for being tricked into being a huge public advocate for the Seth Rich conspiracy theories. That's his claim to fame at this point, like Craig claim, and then also another one of the members of the VIPPs, as they are abbreviated to was Larry C. Johnson, who is a guy who fell for a hoax about there being a videotape of Michelle Obama yelling about YT. Then he used manipulated audio to falsely accuse John Kerry of raping people while he was in Vietnam. Then he used he just made up a conspiracy about the UK intelligence community wiretapping Trump, which spread all over right wing media. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. And that was repeated by Trump himself. Yeah, it was just complete bullshit up. These are profoundly unserious people. But Ray McGovern has a group with Yes, yeah. So that is not great for

Jordan (00:58:31.000)

family and serious people who have had a seriously detrimental effect on this world, as we know it.

Dan (00:58:37.000)

Yeah. And I guess I wouldn't make their group I wouldn't put sanity in the name of this group.

Jordan (00:58:44.000)

If you put sanity in the name of your group. You're insane.

Dan (00:58:49.000)

It's yeah, I can't think of any other groups that have said, No, but

Jordan (00:58:55.000)

nope. Do you know why? Because the same person says, putting sanity in our name is egotistical. egotistical, it'd

Dan (00:59:02.000)

be too easy to attack if we do something. Exactly. So Ray is on and it's not really that interesting of an interview. But yeah, there is one thing that happens, that I wanted to draw attention to. So that is the the last clip we have here.

Caller 4 (766) (00:59:19.000)

There's an overriding rationale for this, though, and, and that rationale appears in the documents to which you refer the p and a C documents and for those of your listeners, to go on the web and type in Project for a New American Century. And the documents that will appear there are the ideological, the strategic justification for the policies that are now being implemented by the crazies, the war against Iraq and so forth. And you'll see in those documents, the equivalent of Hitler's mine comp, mine comp was was was the strategic document that if anybody took it serious Strategic seeing what was happening, and people have not taken very seriously the documents of the Project for a New American Century.

Alex Jones (01:00:07.000)

Well in the rebuilding Americans defensive September 2000, Chinese says we need to legitimize the use of race specific bio weapons.

Dan (01:00:16.000)

So first of all, that kind of comparison being made is kind of embarrassing for McGovern. Yeah, I understand the point he's trying to make but that document is not analogous to mine comp. Second, neither of these dudes seem to be aware that the P neck document is the same thing as rebuilding America's defenses. They're the same document yet these dudes are treating it like two separate things, which is weird. Third, that document absolutely does not advocate for legitimizing the use of race specific bioweapons. We've talked about this before. But this is Alex's complete misrepresentation and lie about a section in the document that addresses areas of concern for us defenses that the writers field should be rebuilt, rebuilding America's defenses. Yes,

Jordan (01:00:58.000)

free rebuilding is the that's where that's what it's about. In this case,

Dan (01:01:02.000)

they say, quote, advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a political, politically useful tool. In context, this is clearly about the possible threats that could come up from hostile nations, and how the US military needs to be prepared for these potential events. Fuck all the people involved in the project for the New American Century. But the way Alex is talking about this is complete bullshit. Yeah, we've talked about this before, but it's deeply disqualifying for Ray McGovern's credibility that he's nodding his head and going along with this clear misrepresentation of the text. The fact that he also doesn't seem to realize that the P neck document is the same thing as rebuilding America's defenses adds to that credibility loss. And then when you tack on his comparison to mine comp, this just isn't somebody that I can take seriously. Yeah. And oh, wait, he's on Infowars.

Jordan (01:01:54.000)

I mean, the the idea of claiming credibility that you don't, that you can't back up is so crazy to me. Well, let me you know, like, that's genuine resume. No, no, he does have a resume, but the credibility on something like this that you don't know, inside and out, like that is so scary. Like even when I was even when I was working, fucking whatever job I was. Any job. It's always like, I am not going to say I can do anything until I can do it. You know, I'm not even going to try and pretend I can do it. Well, I

Dan (01:02:28.000)

think I think that the project for New American Century document was so popular, and everybody was trying to have their established anti Iraq War, share, talking points in in in place, and the P neck document was really good for that. Yeah. And so you can just kind of point to it. And I think a lot of people kind of had a lazy attachment to to that document as being proof that all of these people plan 911. Yeah, well, actually, it

Jordan (01:03:00.000)

almost became more acidic to keep for just the people involved in it, you know, like you'd want to document but what you're really doing is pointing out shady, these motherfuckers aren't.

Dan (01:03:08.000)

Yeah, and actually, as I say that aloud, it's kind of interesting, because McGovern's point in as much as this indicates an interest in, like the war in Iraq. Yeah, is more sensible than Alex's use of it in terms of the like, bio race specific bio weapon. That's true, proving that they did 911. Right. These kinds of things are a bit more detached. So raise, raise use of it as a little bit closer to like, well, you're gonna have a conversation there. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, it is. It is more or less like, shorthand point to this. Yeah.

Jordan (01:03:45.000)

Yeah. I mean, it makes sense in a in a certain way to use it thusly, though. It's just the problem is when you think you know, what is inside of it. That's kind of the I think, do you think here's my, here's my feeling on how this should be though, like, race specific bio weapons should be out for good after COVID. Right. Like, we've all seen how, if you think a disease is going to be a thing, suddenly it's going to be a lot of different things, you know, like, there's no way that you could really think of doing a race specific bioweapon without assuming that it's gonna go absolutely. Ham. Well, here,

Dan (01:04:20.000)

here's, here's my thought. Yeah, yes. But then also, it's good thought. I think that most people would already think that. And then second, I think that the way you're saying that after COVID, it should be but I think that the ability of people like Alex to use it as an ominous conspiracy should be over after COVID Because he was saying that it was a race specific. No. So like now it should just that should be a dead it all be over a dead conspiracy theory. In some

Jordan (01:04:50.000)

ways, we should amputate that line of questioning any Well

Dan (01:04:55.000)

as it turns out, so yeah, I think this is really interesting the way that the the Saddam conspiracy is going, because it's you can see the gears moving a tiny bit. You can see Alex trying to get in on the like, what about that beard? How about those eyes? And then you have Paul coming in and trying to give an influence of like, let's keep it in. Keep it in the territory where we can be respectful, respectable here. Yeah, don't turn this into like it's a fake person. Yeah, or some shit. But Alex is drawn towards that.

Jordan (01:05:29.000)

I mean, you see the dynamics become so clear and then plays out and Sandy Hook exactly how it plays out over and over again. What's what's amazing about it is the like, the more trepidation that Alex has in like, I'm going to dip my toe into it. You're right, those eyes are different. Now there's only one conclusion that it could be if eyes are different, but you're not gonna go that far just

Dan (01:05:51.000)

yet. Or if eyes are different than you have to say that he has contact sometimes. Yeah, you have to add but interesting conspiracy theory, if the eyes are different, and your explanation is he's wearing contact. Why even bring it up?

Jordan (01:06:04.000)

I wear contacts. Nobody's like, Ah, see, we caught him. No, that's how it works.

Dan (01:06:09.000)

I do think it's fascinating that there is kind of like the echoes that relation between the two of them totally. You see in the crisis actors stuff. Yeah. Later. People are just destined to be the way they are.

Jordan (01:06:28.000)

I mean, there's there's something to be said for that. I didn't take you for a Calvinist but

Dan (01:06:35.000)

predestination

Jordan (01:06:36.000)

is the way to go. I'm not saying you're wrong.

Alex Jones (01:06:40.000)

So, Jordan, we'll

Dan (01:06:41.000)

be back. We'll check in on Monday. With Alex in the present day I'm giving up on ever really knowing what the because here's the deal. Yeah, I can't watch every single minute I show. It's too demotivating in the present day and trying to find these 2023 predictions it's just it's impeding my ability to have a sane mind yeah, and here's the deal there is a section on banned top video called Alex Jones predict No

Jordan (01:07:10.000)

no no, no No,

Dan (01:07:11.000)

there isn't a video in there of this 2023 predictions he only has a misleading videos about things he said in the past that he's retro actively trying to make look like they came true he doesn't want to put his present no no at all gonna be wrong. So yeah,

Jordan (01:07:30.000)

you've fallen into the trap that you fall into over so often and that is when you are looking for a specific thing you're never gonna find it you have to go into into your your practice listening as a as a gestalt almost like a dispassionate observer, and then you will find where you you are curious to find a thing. Yeah, your curiosity will take you where you want to go.

Dan (01:07:50.000)

And that's the problem. In the present day, there is nothing there is no grip. Yeah, for my curiosity. Yeah, it is just constant bombardment with a dumb angry dude yelling about the same shit over and over and over again. And the same things that are like basically, it feels like you're doing another lap around the same track. Whereas in the past, I think it's fascinating to see this stuff with Saddam, and then also to be reminded, oh, shit, Howard Dean is coming out. No, you know, there are things that my curiosity can attach to. And that's why it's it's so much less demotivating even though it's equally full of shit. Yeah, totally. It's just the presentation of it is not like crushing. Oh, no, to any like sort of thought process. It

Jordan (01:08:42.000)

reminds me of every time people are like, oh, when Alex goes off the air, what are you going to do? We're going to happily retire into the past and then occasionally visit the present for whatever reason.

Dan (01:08:50.000)

Yeah, we'll maybe talk about talker or

Jordan (01:08:54.000)

do something, but it will be it will be a delight. In most, if not all

Dan (01:09:00.000)

respect. I will. I will I will find something to be curious about in the present for Monday. Or who knows bucket maybe we'll do another deposition. Curiosity

Jordan (01:09:07.000)

is curiosity. You can't control it.

Dan (01:09:11.000)

The mind wants what the mind wants, indeed. But will the Back button tell them Jordan? We have a website? Indeed

Jordan (01:09:18.000)

we do. It's now try.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight.

Dan (01:09:23.000)

We'll be back but until then, I'm Neil. I'm Leo. I'm dz. X Clarke. Show dreamy,

Alex Jones (01:09:29.000)

creamy.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:30.000)

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Alex Jones (01:09:32.000)

Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Debbie Morrow (01:09:36.000)

Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.