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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:58.000)

Hello, everybody welcome back. No tread I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Dudes. Sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Jordan (00:01:06.000)

Oh indeed. We are Dan Jordan.

Dan (00:01:08.000)

Dan, Jordanne quick question for you. So you're bright spot today. My bright spot today is

Jordan (00:01:14.000)

running we Oh, what fun What am I doing?

Dan (00:01:18.000)

I don't know. What am i Morning Show. That is what this has become? Yeah. Delightful. week of celebration. I don't know celebrations, celebrations on celebration.

Jordan (00:01:31.000)

It's yeah, you can't celebrate a sneak

Dan (00:01:32.000)

Can we have the interview with reliable sources Brian Stelter son delts. Monday we have a world exclusive interview with the lawyers why Bankston and Bill Locke so funny that we do. Then Becca Lewis on Tuesday, but in order for sneak week to really be sneaky Sure. There has to be a day where nothing happened.

Jordan (00:01:55.000)

There has to be a day where no surprise you expect shows the whole salutely No,

Dan (00:02:00.000)

we sneaked we snuck and we didn't have something on Wednesday.

Jordan (00:02:03.000)

And do you know what else when people think we zag Ah, that's when we're gonna dog baby.

Dan (00:02:08.000)

See, I know that that is a quote from News Radio. But I worry because Zog means Zionist occupied gov. Okay. Well, yes. That that from Jimmy is gonna ruin Yes, there

Jordan (00:02:18.000)

is a different issue. Yeah, that's trip. So

Dan (00:02:20.000)

I have to put a embargo on. Yes. Yeah. But so Thursday, here we are today. We have. We're beginning a two parter about the trial time and getting up to speed on a lot of that stuff. Right. And then Friday, we cap off sneek week with an appearance on the majority report. Oh

Jordan (00:02:39.000)

my God,

Dan (00:02:40.000)

what do we do Sam cedar. We're

Jordan (00:02:41.000)

so silly.

Dan (00:02:42.000)

Yeah, a long time coming. I think uh, maybe? I don't know. I've been looking forward to that. I am a big have been a big fan of Sam and his work. And so yeah, I'm looking forward to

Jordan (00:02:57.000)

I'm really excited about next week. Absolutely. What are we I'm gonna sing septuplets to Sam the entire time.

Dan (00:03:04.000)

You already told me you're gonna have a tough time not doing home.

Jordan (00:03:10.000)

Movies, oppressions I'm even gonna go into Lucy, daughter of the devil. I'm gonna be like, holy shit. Do you remember when you played the vampire guy? And you were like, Ah, forget everything you know about vapor. How you remember that? Yeah, it's gonna be great. Sea freeze is gonna like me.

Dan (00:03:24.000)

I have thoughts about like various interviews. He's done with academics, authors, right. Debates. He's done with libertarian. Right, right. He's fucked with Steven Crowder. Right,

Jordan (00:03:35.000)

right. I

Dan (00:03:36.000)

just have voice acting.

Jordan (00:03:37.000)

I have Brendon small. And yeah, that's it. Yeah, there we go. So what's your bright spot? My bright spot is I put it up, I finished it. I compiled all of the annoying tweets that I made. And I got rid of all the insults, and all of the personal tax and all of the anything that isn't at the trial, because I wanted to share a disorienting experience with people. There's going to be way better books written about it that make more sense, and that will be enjoyable to read. But you won't get the real experience of being there, which was disorienting and uninjured.

Dan (00:04:13.000)

I think a lot of people are going to resent the lack of insults. People are going to want those insults. Yeah, well, problem you've cultivated here's the problem with a live tweeting where people are like,

Jordan (00:04:26.000)

I know I know. I don't like it. Here's the problem. The final draft 50,000 words Dan, I don't know if you recall what I said the initial amount of total words I'd written over this time period.

Dan (00:04:38.000)

No

Jordan (00:04:40.000)

30,000 Yeah. So yeah, the word 20,000 cut out I know how to take care of things

Dan (00:04:45.000)

20,000

Jordan (00:04:49.000)

ratio so read Yeah, but it's done. You can go to my website, the quiet part loud.

Dan (00:04:54.000)

It's the front and you include that whole thing where everyone was saying Great job. No, I

Jordan (00:04:57.000)

did not. Again, no personal attacks. I didn't even mention that great job Barnes existed. All it is, is you can go to my website and you can download it as PDF PDF. Don't pay anything for it. Don't give anybody anything for it, donate money or just read it.

Dan (00:05:15.000)

Well, what fun? Yeah. For everyone who was wondering Where were those? Oh, Dad, where are those tweets? Oh,

Jordan (00:05:22.000)

I'm so sensitive. For writing good Twitter, but

Dan (00:05:27.000)

you had a good you had a good tenure at your new job.

Jordan (00:05:32.000)

As you refer to it, I say, I got a gig one time and it is death for me.

Dan (00:05:40.000)

When I picked a funny way to describe it,

Jordan (00:05:43.000)

yes, for a short period of time, yes, I

Dan (00:05:45.000)

get it. Because it kind of sounds like someone was paying you to do it. Dutch is a dull area. It does it it is and it said so during the day. Like I said, we're starting to part one of the trial coverage James sort of the surrounding aura. Indeed, in some sense, I think the surrounding stuff will be a little bit more in the next episode. Gotcha. But today, what we're going to be doing is going over the testimony that Alex gave at the trial, which I didn't expect we were going to cover because I thought all that stuff was like you can't make copies of this, but then it's on law and crime.

Jordan (00:06:21.000)

I guess they just put it out there. So So yeah, I mean, it's ours now. Yeah. Now the neck you can do about it.

Dan (00:06:28.000)

1000s of people are watching those videos. So I'm gonna go ahead and use now that audio. So we're going to cover Alex's, the the direct questioning from rainfall. Sure. And then the cross examination, and then we're going to get into the aftermath of the compensatory damages. Sure. And that's where we're going to leave off. Okay, Alex's response to the compensatory damages, waiting for the next day when he will end up in the punitive. Gotcha. Okay, so that is that is what part one will cover and then part two, we'll pick up and roll from there.

Jordan (00:07:06.000)

So this one is, is far from home. And then the next one is endgame. I forgot how these movies are titled.

Dan (00:07:14.000)

I haven't seen any of them. Okay, so yes, good call. 100%. perfectly accurate. Marvel metaphor. So before we do that, though, Jordan, let's get back to something we haven't done in a while. Oh, say hello to some new walks. Hey, so first objection, non responsive. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:07:33.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Jordan (00:07:34.000)

you very much. Thank

Dan (00:07:35.000)

you Next after Knowmia podcast, you inspired me to fact check my local birch rate weirdo in podcast form. Thank you. You're now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:07:44.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Dan (00:07:45.000)

Thank you very much. Next hearing the old technocrat drop makes me feel three years younger. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:07:51.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Jordan (00:07:52.000)

you very much.

Dan (00:07:53.000)

Next, Justin atony. You're going Zimbabwe. Policy? Well, I'm a policy.

Jordan (00:08:00.000)

I forgot that one. Oh, how much have we forgotten? I

Dan (00:08:03.000)

thought it was a baby.

Jordan (00:08:06.000)

But I still like it. That was good. Thank you very much.

Dan (00:08:08.000)

Next, it may be easier to just say it's pronounced. Mikayla. My mom was a creative speller. Thank you so much for now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:08:15.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Dan (00:08:16.000)

you very much Mikayla and angering Alex by being tall at the mall. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:08:22.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:08:23.000)

Thank you very much. Finally, Jordan.

Dan (00:08:24.000)

We have a technocrat in the mix. I had to make that other person feel three years younger, we use the old draw. All right. But my husband knows the term is policy walk but still calls it pollywog. He's going to be so happy. He's now a technocrat. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

Alex Jones (00:08:39.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Telling you brilliant someone someone sodomized, sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser. Little little Katie, baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounced Jesus Christ.

Dan (00:08:59.000)

Thank you so much.

Jordan (00:09:00.000)

Yes, thank you very much.

Dan (00:09:02.000)

So now, Jordan, we begin with Alex being sworn in. And I do think that this isn't going to be a complete play by play of everything that happens. Because there's a lot of stuff that I think honestly, anyone who listens to our show would be like, this is boring. This is, you know,

Jordan (00:09:19.000)

that was a lot of the experience of us being in the room for especially his first day. I've just been like, are you doing an ad read right now

Dan (00:09:27.000)

read? Well, we might include that well, baby, but Alex is sworn in and he's trying he tries to take a piece of paper up to the stand with him, which causes a little problem.

Judge Maya Gamble (00:09:39.000)

Right now you have a

Reynal (00:09:41.000)

witness? I do. The defense would call Alex Jones. All right,

Judge Maya Gamble (00:09:46.000)

Mr. Jones, come stand in front of me. Please. Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 100 Thank you come have a seat. In the witness chair, there's water and glasses, you have pretty good volume, I don't think you'll need to lean into the microphones, I see that you have a document with you. I don't know if you were here when I explained to a prior witness who brought documents with them that you can't look at any document for any reason while you're testifying, and so on unless one of the lawyers or myself instructs you to do so. So I'm going to ask you to actually just give it back to Mr. Renault until he may think you need it. Okay. If you understand

Dan (00:10:34.000)

all that, okay. One of the things that's fun about that, is that, you know, Alex is so invested in this, like, we're teleprompter free, you know, and then he's trying to bring handwritten notes to the stand. So you remember his talking points?

Jordan (00:10:48.000)

I mean, it the fact that they were handwritten to like, come on. Really?

Dan (00:10:53.000)

Yeah. I mean, on some level, I get it. I get the impulse. Yeah, I would rather have talking points. Sure. Sure. No, that's just being adrift at sea. Right. Having to answer whatever question is asked of me fair. But yeah, you can't you don't get to do that.

Jordan (00:11:10.000)

Yeah, I mean, we were this wasn't day one of the trial. No, you know, like we have already this day five. Yeah, we? Yeah. We've already experienced this Tuesday. Now, this would have been day seven. Day six. Yes. Day six of the trial proper. Yeah. Because if you don't count if you don't election, day six. So but like we had seen for a week. Everyone come unprepared. And then they had a weekend.

Dan (00:11:39.000)

Yeah, because what we have not discussed is up till this point. You already had Owen Troyer, you already had Aria, you

Jordan (00:11:46.000)

already had. Becca, you already had wills zip. Yeah. Mr. Crouch.

Dan (00:11:52.000)

Yeah. And so you'd already had like a real contrast in the Info Wars, people and the witnesses that were being called by the plaintiffs in terms of their ability to answer basic questions. Sure. Yeah. And so Alex comes up. Oh, I also didn't include the part where he was scolded for chewing gum and then dried out of his mouth. Oh, my God, there were some things that were just kind of like, what do we do? And we have some things to talk about. Let's not get bogged down. Yeah, we're gonna be here a while. So ran all comes in with his first question. And one of the things that I think becomes abundantly clear really fast is that Alex does not appreciate the notion of not just being able to ramble, right? Yes, he was not a fan. It's one of the things that he has, it's the most sacred to him. And he does not respond well to being told you have to answer questions.

Unknown Speaker (00:12:43.000)

Alex, would you please introduce yourself to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury?

Alex Jones (00:12:47.000)

I am Alex Jones.

Reynal (00:12:50.000)

How are you feeling today? I

Alex Jones (00:12:52.000)

actually feel good, because I get a chance to for the first time, say what's really going on instead of the corporate media and high powered law firms manipulating what actually did

Unknown Speaker (00:13:03.000)

I want to start by kind of letting the jury know a little bit about your views, and where you grew up so that you get to know you

Alex Jones (00:13:12.000)

better. Is that okay? Okay. Before we do that, I just do want to say this. I'm right here. As I said many times, I apologize to both

Unknown Speaker (00:13:20.000)

sustained so Mr. Jones, one of the instructions I just gave you is that this is not a

Alex Jones (00:13:25.000)

question. And the answer. She got the monologue, but not me.

Unknown Speaker (00:13:29.000)

And so you have to only answer questions that are asked to

Dan (00:13:33.000)

you. So you can see here that in the first question Alex has asked, he's already off track. He's trying to monologue and control the entirety of the conversation because he goes, why wouldn't he think you should be able to? I find it hard to imagine the Renault has had any success ever trying to keep Alex on point. Like off the stand? Yeah. So why should this be any different right? At the end, Alex says that it's not fair that he doesn't get to talk but she got to monologue. This is in reference to Scarlett Lewis's testimony from just prior to him taking the stand. And there's a reason why she got to monologue as Alex, but it's because rain all knew damn well that he wasn't going to object an interrupter for as much of a shithead as he seems to be, I don't think right now is so detached from his humanity as to deprive Miss Lewis of her chance to speak her piece to Alex after all this time and him dodging the moment of having to look her in the face and hear her words. Yeah. Truth be told, Louis probably was a bit off subject at a few points in her testimony. And if rain all it objected, there's a really good chance that the judge would have no choice but to refocus the question asked, but he didn't do that. And that's what Alex is mad about. Yeah, not mad that she got a monologue and you don't that your lawyer didn't stop it.

Jordan (00:14:46.000)

Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, it does seem like what is really causing Alex ire is that his lawyer did not badger Scarlet Lewis with questions

Dan (00:14:57.000)

or interrupt her answers of questions that Tell the plaintiffs attorneys. Right.

Jordan (00:15:01.000)

Right. Right. You understand why we're here?

Dan (00:15:04.000)

Yeah, I think that it would have taken a really cold cold lawyer, man. Yeah. Objection non responsive to her talking about her. Yeah. Her son died. Yeah, that would have been a dark day. Yeah. So Alex doesn't want the distress as he was trying to with this sidebar that he was going down, that he apologized, and he's sorry, and all that. So he attempts an apology here.

Unknown Speaker (00:15:30.000)

Mr. Jones, have you been wanting to apologize to the plaintiffs in this case? For a long time? Yes. And what would you like to say to

Alex Jones (00:15:40.000)

them, that I never intentionally tried to hurt you. I never even said your name. Until this case, came to court. I didn't even really know you weren't until a couple of years ago, when all this started up. The internet had a lot of questions, I had questions. And over that six, seven year period before I got sued, or six year period, it's clear, you can see the whole progression of us the few times we covered it, try to actually find out what happened. And that's really been my big frustration is that people have said that I personally tried to hurt them or coming after him when I questioned every big event. And a lot of times, it turns out that we've not been told the truth. And a perfect example, is today, where they play a 32nd or one minute clip. And I had just done that this morning. And I knew that I said, I believe that scarlet Lewis is real, and she's a really nice person. And she's really a sweet person. And then I went through and talked about her ex husband too. And and then I said, I believe they're being fed and manipulated on this end. So a perfect when you hear

Jordan (00:16:52.000)

Christ. Oh, my God

Dan (00:16:54.000)

just wants to power through. Oh my god. So the clip he's talking about is something we went over on our 711 episode, Episode 711. It was an episode about wasn't in 711 either. That was the clip of Alex talking about how Heslin appeared slow, right? And all this he's he's trying to argue that this is a you know, they selectively edited ever.

Jordan (00:17:17.000)

Right, whatever. Yeah, his argument was essentially, you didn't play the whole clip. See what happened is the first thing I said was, I'm sorry. And then I said that was slow. And that I think he is on the spectrum. So

Dan (00:17:32.000)

this is not an apology. That is Alex attempting to defend himself by saying that he didn't mean to hurt anyone. And he didn't actually even say things that would hurt them to begin with. Because, you know, people just take things he says out of context and attack him. This is pathetic. But this is Alex's understanding of an apology. It's not about recognizing and respecting the pain that other people experience due to your actions. It's about pretending that you care they were hurt, and that it was someone else's fault. It's cowardly. But it's to be expected.

Jordan (00:18:01.000)

Yeah. I mean, if you follow His words, he's essentially saying, basically, you're not smart enough to understand why what I did was actually okay, here are my excuses that you just don't understand. Like, you're mad at me. But really, it's your fault,

Dan (00:18:17.000)

right? I didn't hurt you. It's the media lying about the things that I said, I don't even know who you are. I never said your name. Yeah, like,

Jordan (00:18:26.000)

yeah, a very respectful thing to say. And your defamation trial is honestly, I didn't even know who you were. It doesn't matter to me who my hurt,

Dan (00:18:34.000)

right? It's almost techies and bison in the street fighter. A little bit like, Wow, you are a real villain here. The day that I came to your village is the most important day of your life. For me. It was Tuesday,

Jordan (00:18:45.000)

nothing. Yeah, that's like Jesus man. But that's how you're gonna go. Good. Not great.

Dan (00:18:51.000)

So Ray Nall wants to humanize Alex obviously. And so part of this is walking through some of his earlier life. And I didn't cut clips from all of it. But there's some stuff that just seemed like, wow, this doesn't match up at all right where I usually talk. Yeah, we were in there. Yeah. So here's the first of that.

Unknown Speaker (00:19:09.000)

Can you let us know where where are you from Texas originally?

Alex Jones (00:19:14.000)

I first was born in Dallas that I grew up in a suburb of Dallas called Rockwall.

Unknown Speaker (00:19:19.000)

And how old were you when you move to Austin? 60. And can you tell the members of the jury why your family relocated?

Alex Jones (00:19:27.000)

My dad sold his dental practice and it was too much crime in Dallas and Austin. Just say

Dan (00:19:33.000)

there's too much crime in Dallas who boy you lived in rock wall too much crime and wealthy suburb. Apparently, watch Alex's documentary. You know, it's one of the richest suburbs in the in the country and everybody's rolling around and Rolls Royces and doing workers on

Jordan (00:19:52.000)

boats. His problem is there's too much wage theft going on. So you know, there was a lot of crime going on in that neighborhood.

Dan (00:19:59.000)

So Service employees were paid too little. That's been Yes, she

Jordan (00:20:03.000)

was, is that the people he was around? We're not paying their employees? Well,

Dan (00:20:08.000)

I you know, I respect that wish it was. Yeah, I think that he knew better than to do the I grew up in a town where Satanists are trying to recruit me to worshipping the devil because they knew that through psychic powers the devil gave them I would be important to God's mission in the future. And I uncovered a drug ring within the Rockwall police department and they threatened to murder me if I didn't leave town. I think that maybe he knew that the jury wouldn't take kindly to that. Or maybe it would paint him in a bad life. Yes, it's clearly ridiculous.

Jordan (00:20:38.000)

Yeah, it would be a little bit like the juries, punitive damages at that point would have to come back with like, No, he has to wear a straight jacket forever. You know, like that. If you say that on the stand punitive damages, stop being money.

Dan (00:20:50.000)

I think Alex is pretty lucky that this is not one of those performative judge exact situation situations,

Jordan (00:20:55.000)

Section eight.

Dan (00:20:58.000)

So Alex talks about some of his early influences. And this was one of the points where I almost had to leave the courtroom.

Unknown Speaker (00:21:05.000)

How old were you when you first felt that you wanted to be on the air that you wanted to

Reynal (00:21:13.000)

work in media?

Alex Jones (00:21:16.000)

When I was about 17, I really liked listening to talk radio. And I'd grown up with my dad on road trips was like Larry King, when he was still on radio. And I really liked Larry King on radio, and then also on CNN, and I also like Howard Stern, I thought he was funny. And I really wanted to be a talk show host.

Dan (00:21:35.000)

You liked CNN, you like the Clinton news network, please? This is a strategic answer on Alex's part, because he doesn't want to say to the jury that he was brought up listening to and admiring extreme far right demagogues and Christian identity radio preachers. He doesn't want to say to the jury that he was a devoted fan of the British Israelite preacher, David J. Smith, or how he was a regular listener to the Holocaust denying preacher texts Mars, whose church Alex has said repeatedly that he attends Yeah, he doesn't want to even tell the version of the story that he relayed in his documentary, Alex's war, because even that would sound bad to a jury, Larry King and Howard Stern are largely mainstream touchstones. And they do the sort of shows that Alex wants the jury to think he does. It's total bullshit. But it's also very clear why he's presenting his inspiration to get into media this way, so the jury doesn't get an accurate sense of what his career has actually been about. Also kind of makes Alex Lee Moyers editing choices look even more embarrassing, the use of swelling music over Alex telling the tale of how he discovered people bringing the fight to the New World Order on public access. And now that was the moment he realized he wanted to get into this field. seems particularly dumb now. Just imagine the same music that she played over Alex saying, I really like Larry King's radio show and wanted to host a chat program like yes, not not quite so it doesn't have the same flair. It is maybe you got played or maybe you want it to be played.

Jordan (00:23:00.000)

It is so very funny. To me the idea of having made a documentary and then only days later, here, your subject almost completely disavow every single thing in that documentary. Yeah, under oath.

Dan (00:23:15.000)

I'm also seeing like, I don't know, I'm getting reset wars vibes in terms of like, I think there was a lot of ramping up to it. And it seems like

Jordan (00:23:27.000)

no one cares. No one cares at all about that fucking

Dan (00:23:31.000)

documentary.

Jordan (00:23:32.000)

I don't know. I mean, that I feel

Dan (00:23:34.000)

almost like I'm dumb for doing as much work in advance. Because I kind of I kind of thought it would be a little bit more widely discussed and maybe viewed than it was at a pre emptive

Jordan (00:23:49.000)

further pre mark. I mean, they had some big names pre marketing it, you know, like they interview with Greenwald, it feels like that should move the needle somewhat. Right. And there

Dan (00:23:59.000)

were ostensibly 2 million followers. There were a lot of pre orders online, which, however you want, I guess, I don't know. Anyway, Alex's early show that he did, beginning of his career apparently quite different. Yes. Then the current way different.

Unknown Speaker (00:24:14.000)

And what was the format of your early shows on Austin public access TV?

Alex Jones (00:24:20.000)

It wasn't as conspiratorial or political. There was some of that because there was other people doing those shows and I already knew about that information. But it was just all over the map. It was just really call it shows different topics. Did variety shows like carved pumpkins on TV on Halloween and, you know, have a guy come in with his pet monkey and dances around just fun stuff, because he's also liked Johnny Carson growing up.

Dan (00:24:44.000)

Okay, that's complete bullshit. Maybe Alex did do a bit of goofing off on his show, but it was also straight up conspiracy content. He and his early public access co host Jeff Davis made a documentary together titled Are you practicing communism? If It gives you some sense of the vibe he was working with back then. It's really hard to get your hands on the shows from back then. But the ones I've seen are complete bullshit and conspiracy laden nonsense. And it's super easy to find accounts from people who worked at the station with him back then. Right? He was a raving conspiracy lunatic even back then he was an asshole, and no one liked working with him. That's why that's a big part of why his career took the trajectory.

Jordan (00:25:25.000)

Right? It would be it would have been more fun. If that was like a PSA, where it's like, they're like, Are you practicing your piano lessons? You know, like, Are you practicing your communists? Are

Dan (00:25:35.000)

you working on your?

Jordan (00:25:36.000)

Absolutely, yeah. Practice makes perfect. Are you going to Communist in Carnegie Hall is the question that you should be asking yourself.

Dan (00:25:43.000)

Yeah, yeah. I tried to watch that documentary. And well, it's not a documentary. It's like them sitting at a table. Complaining about kami. It's Between Two Ferns. Sort of. But there's a table. Sure. No firms right. It just was like, I can't I'm not going to do this. If there was there was no flare, nothing. No array. Nothing anti communist. Terrible. But look, man, Alex, Alex, love Larry King. Course. Tell

Unknown Speaker (00:26:12.000)

us in those you told us already about Larry King, and about Howard Stern? Who would you say influenced you artistically in the format and how you you did your show, then and became the man you are today?

Alex Jones (00:26:25.000)

I mean, really, I? Well, I listened to Larry King a lot as my dad listen to him on the radio. A lot when I was so different. I was like, six, seven or rose colored king. And then I watched him a lot of nights at home and Junior High in high school. So I would I would say more than anybody Larry King.

Dan (00:26:40.000)

If Alex's dad listened to Larry King, it was yelling at him. It was like listening to Larry King and Big Sur this fucking communist.

Jordan (00:26:49.000)

You know what, honestly, I would almost believe that. And here's why the Alex's need to interrupt over the TV. Sad to have come from somewhere. I think it's entirely possible that he did watch his dad, just interrupt Larry King is screaming at the TV all the time.

Dan (00:27:07.000)

i It's an interesting theory. I think that that could just be a style he developed totally, totally, I understand attention span, highly knee jerk reactive. But yeah, you know, you do what you see. So I

Jordan (00:27:21.000)

mean, I'm just saying that I'm I'm aging and now I'm recognizing my my father's actions in my own. And this is a tirely about me, I have no idea what we're talking about. I

Dan (00:27:30.000)

can't relate to that at all. locked himself in a room worked all the time. Anyway, Alex touches on his first documentary. And this is real fun claim.

Unknown Speaker (00:27:45.000)

Did you also start making in order to support Infowars? Did you also start making documentaries?

Alex Jones (00:27:54.000)

I did start making documentaries. In 1987. I made my first documentary America destroyed by design, about the great reset. Oh, yeah, that right? Yeah. And different un documents that were in. And I made more than 25 more films after that.

Dan (00:28:09.000)

See, this is like so indicative of Alex's shit, like this, pretending that his first documentary was about the great reset something that didn't become a hot topic and conspiracy circles until 2021. Yeah, basically, like this is so this is what he's about. He's about retconning. He takes these things that he yelled about in the past and then applies modern labels and contexts to them. Yep. In order to make it look like hashtag Alex Jones was always right. Yeah, yeah, it's just such bullshit. But you weren't yelling about the great reset. You were yelling about like agenda. 21. And yeah, and the road in Texas or the the road through? What was what was it?

Jordan (00:28:53.000)

Oh, yeah. Highway. Yeah. The North transatlantic North American highway corridor. Yeah,

Dan (00:28:58.000)

something like that. You're yelling about national parks having a sign up sheet ends up? Yeah. Get off. It was

Jordan (00:29:05.000)

It is like we talked about it with the with Mark and Bill just a little bit. But it is like, you can't really have a jury of Alex's peers out of anybody that's that doesn't like, How can you say, Oh, you're You can't lie under oath to that, like you and I both know that. That's a complete lie, you know, but I was gonna say it. I don't

Dan (00:29:26.000)

know if that's a substantive lie to the case. Totally. Totally. So maybe it's kind of fine for the proceedings of this that right, but

Jordan (00:29:33.000)

you're under oath. I know. I know. All that stuff. I know. I know. It's legally all that it is. But there is a certain part of me that's like, you have to be able to know that Alex is lying even about that, you know?

Dan (00:29:46.000)

Sure. Sure. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. I think that this runs into the issue of the separate realities, because you know, there's a part of Alex that probably believes absolutely that I was talking

Jordan (00:29:59.000)

about Hey, I when I was three years old, I had a dream about The Great Race and the Lord spoke to me.

Dan (00:30:05.000)

Like, how does narcissism work? And its effects on whether or not you think you're being truthful? Yeah, ya know, like, and that's something that would be difficult to unpack. But I would say that oh Thor, no oath, you're a fool if you think Alex is ever going to like, actually give you truthful answers, tricks and direct answer. Yes. So we get back to talking about the time of Sandy Hook, on Alex's show, right? And what was his show? Like? What was the environment at Infowars? I believe I

Unknown Speaker (00:30:35.000)

recall. Can you tell us what the sort of different segments are that would appear on a given day at Infowars? Circa 2012.

Alex Jones (00:30:49.000)

There was my four hour radio show that a 2012 was just a webcam on me, for people that wanted to watch it online. And then it was just it was me of a dashboard camera. 2012. And then. I mean, that was basically,

Dan (00:31:10.000)

the primary goal of Alex's answer here is to downplay his own relevance and the size of his operation in 2012. He wants the jury to think that though he's a big, famous boy, now, back then he was really just a mom and pop talk show. Unfortunately, he's lying. He didn't just have a webcam on a desk. At that point, he had two studios, each with multiple camera angles available at any point, he also had more than just his show being broadcast daily since the Infowars. Nightly News was in existence at that point, the nightly news started in 2011. And it contained a bunch of content that's relevant to this very lawsuit like instances of Rob do covering Sandy Hook. Alex knows all this, but the goal is to create the perception that he really wasn't that big back then. So it couldn't have been him that was so influential in getting the Sandy Hook conspiracies rolling and causing the harm that was done to Neil and Scarlet. It's a fraud. And one of the telltale signs is him pretending a show he produced all the way to 2017 doesn't exist. It's nonsense. Never heard of it before. What's this?

Jordan (00:32:12.000)

I've never heard of it. Before. I was I was thinking about this. I can't think of any testimony real or fictional I have ever seen. That may be more chock filled with absolute non truths, you know? And it is it is like you were saying, you know, like, that's because in this world, I don't think we're ever dealing with a truth or a lie that doesn't exist, we're dealing with both, and neither simultaneously.

Dan (00:32:38.000)

What's what's convenient and useful to me is the truth is the truth. And I believe it under a lie detector. Yeah. And I think that it's bizarre, because the you know, narcissism for Alex works in this way of like, all right, when I need to inflate my self, right, in 2012, I had the biggest show in the world at 100 million real estate.

Jordan (00:33:02.000)

every world leader on the planet writes to my show,

Dan (00:33:05.000)

Ron Paul loved me and he was the rightful President Oh, something I owned the Tea Party, one of them ran, run the Tea Party, he

Jordan (00:33:13.000)

did explicitly say

Dan (00:33:15.000)

that. And then the narcissism here is that he needs to not be very big, because it's important for him to not have the grand title, the thing that is naked,

Jordan (00:33:26.000)

right, right, right. What is that Hallmark thing of psychopaths is that the manipulating based on what they people think want to hear in any situation is one of those things like that. Yeah, that sounds right.

Dan (00:33:36.000)

So with this next clip, is where Alex gets to talking about the how talk show hosts are judged. And this is bizarre.

Unknown Speaker (00:33:49.000)

At the time 2012. How did you all source the or how did you source the stories that you wanted to cover during that segment of your talk radio, or

Alex Jones (00:34:01.000)

95%? Of what we were covering? Was mainstream news going look, they're saying this? Do you believe it? Or what do you make of this? I mean, it's that kind of thing, is that we would simply do a talk radio does. That's what talk radio does. That's what Larry King did, is stalking his articles, talking about what's going on what people are saying, as callers, what do you think of that? Do you buy that? What do you think's going to happen next? Are they're really WMDs in Iraq? Are they lying about it? And then the talk show hosts make their predictions about what they think. And then the talk radio listeners, basically keep note and see who's the most accurate, and it becomes a big game to see who has made the best predictions and things like that. And so that kind of lends itself to, to the very nature of a soapbox, is people speculating. That's the nature of people going to a park and standing up in Speaker's Corner in London for 600 yours you're giving their opinion. That's what free speech is.

Jordan (00:35:03.000)

Oh, okay. That is one of the most absurd descriptions of like five different things I've ever

Dan (00:35:09.000)

heard. I mean, it got into like town crier. Exactly. Yeah. He thinks that like his audience is sitting there with a pen and a pad. His prediction.

Jordan (00:35:18.000)

They have they it's like it's like they're they have baseball scorecards. They're like, Oh, that guy Alex had a single on this one. draw one line. Holy shit. Rush Limbaugh hits one out of the park. I mean,

Dan (00:35:31.000)

look, from the time that we've been doing this show and the predictions that we've seen from him, if anyone was doing this, and talk show hosts were judged by this. Yeah. He'd be out of business.

Jordan (00:35:42.000)

He was an outlier. Yeah.

Dan (00:35:46.000)

farside Yes. It would be an outlier. That's true. He's fortunate that no one is keeping a pen. And

Jordan (00:35:54.000)

if that is true, that God damn, the world

Dan (00:35:57.000)

would have to have been destroyed multiple times over by now. Yeah, in order for his predictions to have any decent tracker. Absolutely. cities in America would be constantly getting nuked, right? The globalists would be starving everyone and we would all be dead of plague of locusts years ago, right.

Jordan (00:36:16.000)

And this is how Alex always kind of gets into your head is like, that is so insane that you almost forget he said that free speech is really just a dude standing on a box in the corner in London screaming for six months.

Dan (00:36:29.000)

But back then your town crier that you listen to, you're judged by their predictions. Yes.

Jordan (00:36:34.000)

But but then you judge their predictions by how long they stayed in the stocks. I think that might actually be a better situation for us, man. If you have enough bad predictions. You go in the stocks for a week.

Dan (00:36:45.000)

Yeah, I think that that is you're right. That is one of the tools of Alex's absurdity. There's constant heightening, there's so many layers of absurdity. So you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I can't deal with part A Part B is

Jordan (00:36:59.000)

part these hilarious. Part D? What are you talking about what is happening?

Dan (00:37:04.000)

So in a conversation about sources, Alex says this.

Alex Jones (00:37:07.000)

Now most the time though, I say I want this person, I want that person. And I'm more in control of the guest. that I have. But but in the past. We let more things driven by the internet. And by 4chan and HN, that in every case, I've had problems has been a curse. I'm not attacking everybody that's on there. But that's I tell my producers do not touch it when it's on there. Because it's just it's the kiss of death. And it causes nothing but problems.

Dan (00:37:40.000)

It's bullshit that Alex is saying there's a moratorium on this kind of sourcing, like from things on 4chan. But if you want to take this seriously at all, then what Alex needs to do is take like a real hard look in the mirror, take an inventory of the things that he's said based on 4chan posts, and retract all of it, he needs to go back and look at the like Soros and Tifa contract. You need to go back and find all of these things and really wrestle with like, Okay, if you now know this to be a completely unreliable source, you need to figure out what parts of your mythology what parts of your worldview are solely informed by that and work to get those out. Make sure that people don't still believe them. Because otherwise you're still using 4chan as a source essentially. Yeah, it's to do that, because those, those things that are based on 4chan Nonsense, are too important. Right?

Jordan (00:38:40.000)

Right, right. Yeah. No, if you find out a single cop used to be a drug dealer for 10 years, every single case that that cop worked on needs to be reevaluated and thrown out or whatever. So it's the same thing. It's the same fundamental principle.

Dan (00:38:53.000)

Yeah, and it's hard work. It is very hard to reason Alex isn't going to do it. And you know, like, what the result is gonna it's not gonna be good for him. No, because then you have to find another way to try and prove that Soros has Antifa contracts to burn down cities, which is a real big part of your whole bullshit opposition to the Black Lives Matter protests while you're pretending. At least one of the ways you pretended it wasn't based on right flagrant racism, right? But hey, don't don't go ahead and do that. Because it's it's too it's too complicated

Jordan (00:39:26.000)

would take a while Daria didn't even like finding the things that she was asked about for two years. Well, we could. Yeah, well, she did like finding that.

Dan (00:39:35.000)

So Alex doesn't like the news anymore.

Jordan (00:39:39.000)

That's not surprising,

Alex Jones (00:39:40.000)

and more and more. I don't really follow the news model of covering the news the past I did, but we still do it a lot. But now I do mainly just talk about philosophy and the big picture, and then have some guest on the show has gotten more Christian because I'm a Christian, but as things progress while things happening in the world, moving more towards doing self help, live experience. bars then the political show, I got to try to segue out of this just because I think we have to teach individuals, how to like Scarlett was saying earlier, more than we're gonna change the world, but we can't change ourselves, did whatever bills change the world. And I've made a lot of mistakes. And I've learned a lot in that process. And I've also learned how the corporate media is able to completely manipulate a story once you're caught in it, and then manipulate other people. And if anything, I want to teach people about how that process works. Because they say, I'm the mastermind that figured out I'm unemployed people, and I didn't have any understanding of it. coming in. Now I've seen it from the inside, the way the stuff goes on. And, again, I think only getting the individual awake and aware. And not under its control is the way to beat it. And you can't just cover a bunch of news and get somebody to understand that you can't be told about the matrix. You got to see

Dan (00:41:15.000)

it. He's on the stand. Yep. This is rambley. I mean, look, on the one hand, I guess he's just saying what you kind of could tell if you watch his show. Sure. And that is that he's kind of pivoting into something that is less grounded in reality. televangelists Lee. Yeah. Stuff like that. You don't have to pretend you have proof. Right. As opposed to pretending you have proof.

Jordan (00:41:43.000)

You can lie about the Bible all day, and people really don't care.

Dan (00:41:47.000)

Yeah, sure. I think getting into philosophy and the big picture is a generous way to say yelling about the devil. There's one way. But yeah, I think I think this is true. Alex has given up the pretense of being about news and documents and all this, because it never was real to begin with.

Jordan (00:42:04.000)

Exactly. I think what's interesting about that is that this is something that I noticed throughout Alex's testimony is that Alex was clearly the best coached because I really don't even know if Daria Oh, and were given instructions on what questions Raynal was going to ask. Right, right. But ravenol was clearly giving Alex prompts for these answers that they had talked about, because they don't look as terrible as the real ones do. Right? Yeah. And then Alex just can't not be Alex. Yep. So he gives his he gives his prepared remarks. And then you can see him kind of scramble, and then start rambling off and on all of a sudden, he's like, and so that's why the Democrats are in your like, no, no, no, you are doing so good.

Dan (00:42:45.000)

Yeah. But that's like what Alex wants. It's what he wants to get out on the stand.

Jordan (00:42:49.000)

He's just got to do it. Yeah, just got to do it. Yeah, stop himself.

Dan (00:42:54.000)

So part of the reason that he can't stop himself is because he's just over prepared.

Unknown Speaker (00:42:59.000)

How many hours a day? Are you on the air?

Alex Jones (00:43:04.000)

I'm on the air, about four hours a day.

Unknown Speaker (00:43:07.000)

And since when have you been on the air about four hours a day?

Alex Jones (00:43:11.000)

I've been on the air four hours a day since about 9097 98,

Unknown Speaker (00:43:21.000)

and in order to prepare for those four hours that you're going to be on the air every day? Well, let me ask you this, how many days a week.

Alex Jones (00:43:30.000)

I'm on the air six days a week.

Unknown Speaker (00:43:32.000)

So in order to prepare for four hours a day, six days a week? How many hours per day do you spend on prep for your show?

Alex Jones (00:43:41.000)

I spend about two hours at night about two hours in the morning. And then I do some research in the afternoon.

Dan (00:43:48.000)

That was a far cry from the 16 hours a day you're studying the globalist really

Jordan (00:43:53.000)

did seem like he was overplaying his hand. And now it seems like he's downplaying it, huh?

Dan (00:43:57.000)

Yeah. See, it seems like on air it's I do literally nothing but read globalist white papers and documents, right. All of their dirty laundry. That breeds that are filthy, filthy dossier is not even 30

Jordan (00:44:12.000)

I'm dreaming reading these documents. Exactly. Yeah,

Dan (00:44:16.000)

I do about two hours or two hours at night. It's busy. I don't even eat but also I think that this is a lie.

Jordan (00:44:22.000)

I know that this is true. I really don't even know like I really don't even know what this is E also being used for because here's

Dan (00:44:30.000)

why I can explain that. I was well go for it's like him saying what he says on his show would be laughable. The jury would never believe that. It would be something like Yeah, right. Sure. What are you doing for 16? Right, right. Right. That's your your high. That's fair. But the two to four hours is believable. Right? That is a believable amount of

Jordan (00:44:50.000)

workstation do four hours of a show you do an eight hour workday. I call it a day. It's

Dan (00:44:54.000)

kind of what you would expect for somebody who's doing a job Sure. More or less Right. And it's you don't want him to look like I just shoot from the hip entirely sure. Because then there's an approach that is it's structurally irresponsible to like what ended up happening, right? But that same time, you don't want to make it look like he does nothing but do this show because first of all, it's unbelievable. Right? Second of all, if so, then you should have vetted Wolfgang Halbig, you would think if you're what happened Thai hours a day, you had the take out the time? Yeah.

Jordan (00:45:28.000)

I mean, I met more for like the defense's case, because part of what they're arguing is clearly Alex spend so much time on air, you know, what he spent, like five minutes telling these people, you know, all this stuff, that kind of thing.

Dan (00:45:41.000)

There's 1/10 of 1%. Right, right.

Jordan (00:45:45.000)

But it could also be that, look, he works so hard, these things are gonna fall through the cracks. You know, he says, 95% of my time is I'm not doing anything like this, that kind of thing. But either way, the problem is, he's already been found guilty of doing the thing. Sure. So he can't really reduce the damages, can it? Or is it just like, See, he's a down home country guy.

Dan (00:46:07.000)

I think that's a large part. Do you think that means more like humanizing him? That kind of thing? Okay, and the mom and pop aspect of it? Sure. Because it's just a small propaganda outlet that that's true. He just puts his pale nightly news at this point, as, you know, a limited amount of employees that he has. And yeah, the perception is, is kind of making it more normal, right, as opposed to the absurdity that is, and that that continues even into this next clip, which actually just made me really, really sad.

Unknown Speaker (00:46:38.000)

When did you start bringing on other hosts to have their own programs

Alex Jones (00:46:51.000)

started the nightly news in like 2000 2015, and I don't have the exact days,

Dan (00:47:03.000)

Alex knows damn well to the nightly news started in 2011. But that would make his operation look much more professional if he were to be aware of that. So it's pretty important that it started well after the period of Sandy Hook. Even worse is that Alex has completely forgotten about his original companion show the info warrior featuring Jason Burma's, that show was on in like 2009. And really Burma's did so much for Info Wars in those early days in that era, This omission is insulting. In fact, in court, I poked you and said, You forgot about permits? You sure did. Again, no, it's definitely not in Alex's best interest to present the image that he was producing other shows on Infowars at this point in his career, like I said, this is a mom and pop propaganda outlet. Absolutely. And it can't possibly have been the big boogeyman that led to so much pain. No,

Jordan (00:47:51.000)

he wasn't the CEO of what maybe what Oh, and would have to eventually describe as a mainstream media TV studio.

Dan (00:47:58.000)

No, no, no. And I mean, it goes all directions. That you know, we're a small thing don't know other shows. I put in an honest nine to five day at work. But then of course, there was actually another question about like, the working on admin stuff. Sure. Sure. And he was like, Yeah, dudes, extra hours. Yeah. Right. So of course he does extra hours. He doesn't, nine to five, but still, you know, folksy and also, you know, the money.

Unknown Speaker (00:48:24.000)

Let's talk a little bit about where you get your funding. When's the last time you had a a corporate sponsor?

Alex Jones (00:48:47.000)

I have some corporate sponsors. When I was against George, George Herbert, George W. Bush and the war, sorry, what lost a lot. We ran into a war. But we still had some bank loans. We had like car companies, clothing lines, everything. We were making a lot of money to expand the operation. Going back to about 2005 up to one Obama. And then being anti war was not allowed anymore. Whatever reason I wasn't anti Obama was anti war. So I continue with being anti war. We lost all our sponsors.

Dan (00:49:26.000)

I guess Alex is just forgetting about his decades long business relationship with might as resources and his couple of attempts to branch out into selling his audience to a multilevel marketing scam. That one was fun. He took a bunch of money from Michael and Dell and my pillow pretty recently. Sure and his affiliate links with my Patriot supply. Wow, sure, these are respectable sponsors like a car company. But it's pretty important to pretend that Alex had no institutional support around the time of Sandy Hook. Yeah, it was nothing. It was just him in the wilderness see this and he's like so much for having his principles. Hmm,

Jordan (00:50:00.000)

this is why you have to tell people you took one. And you go with diamond gusset. Sure you say we took one sponsor, and they couldn't even get anybody's jeans, right. Diamond gusset jeans and then we were done. self funded from there on out. I think

Dan (00:50:14.000)

it would be really difficult to pretend that diamond gusset decided not to sponsor Alex's show because he was against Obama.

Jordan (00:50:22.000)

Yeah, that one might be tough. Might be to anti NAFTA commercials. I do like his bullshit on this one. That was to anti war. Right. Like, I think that people would believe him.

Dan (00:50:32.000)

Yeah, we're to hide your gun. Oh, we don't want to be involved in Oh, sure. Anyway, Alex decides that, you know, maybe a good idea would be to try and red pill the jury. Yeah, he did do that. And so this is one of a couple of them. Here we go.

Alex Jones (00:50:52.000)

We'll take that clip earlier. They're there. At the beginning of the clip, I say I believe Scarlett Lewis is is real. I believe her son died. I'm very sorry. And they cut that off the front. And then they cut me saying I'm sorry, off in and they brought a real clip. But it's synthetic, to try to see what I hope you get to see the real clip. And then you'll figure out everything else has been going on. You'll see the all the bullshit, man.

Jordan (00:51:17.000)

Yeah, yeah, it is. That

Dan (00:51:18.000)

was a moment where I was like, Holy shit, this can't this can't be allowed to stay.

Jordan (00:51:24.000)

There were so many times where it was like he was trying to argue that, like, Listen, you and I both know what this is really about to the jury. Like he's saying to the jury, like, Hey, listen, I know you know that all this glitz and cord is nonsense.

Dan (00:51:41.000)

Watch the clips in that way. You'll see that I'm trying to convince

Jordan (00:51:45.000)

them like, listen, you're gonna be one of us at the end of this trial. He believed that yeah, it was great.

Dan (00:51:51.000)

It was a tough way to become an inventor. Trial by Fire in the crucible. You have accidentally enlisted. Oh, boy. So another moment that I found particularly distasteful is when he started talking about his products.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:06.000)

Do you sell vitamins? Yes. Are your vitamins FDA certified?

Alex Jones (00:52:11.000)

No, they're not. Why not? 9096 Law The FDA has no control over any nutraceuticals not the ones at Whole Foods, not the ones that GNC and not ours. And ours are private labeled. top brands that are sold in Whole Foods G in C we ever made by the top lab recognized in the United States, all of us put our label on it. So we know it's triple tested the highest quality. And that's what people love it because it is the best out there. And I'll give it to Whole Foods and I'll give it to GMC and others. They got pirates. There's all sorts of crappy about a gas station out there. That's not what ours is. When we buy our PQ and coke you Tim from the Japanese

Dan (00:53:03.000)

under oath I'd like to tell you about the Fourth of July specialists.

Jordan (00:53:07.000)

I have so mad that I wasn't allowed to laugh the moment he was like we buy our PQ Q from the Japanese like all these like everybody in the courtroom is gonna blow what? The Japanese

Dan (00:53:20.000)

everyone everyone knows that the Japanese do not sell their PQ to anybody

Jordan (00:53:26.000)

talking about what is happening right now. And the way you said it the way he delivered it to like holy shit, I'm gonna blow their minds. Yeah, god damn would have what an insane person?

Dan (00:53:39.000)

Yeah, yeah, that that really threw me for a loop

Jordan (00:53:43.000)

wild. And you know that he had to have given array. Now that question to prompt him to sell?

Dan (00:53:50.000)

Well, no, I don't think so. I don't think so. He and Alex's head. Okay. I would imagine that Raynal believed that the setup of the question was to facilitate the sale, exploring Alex's revenue sources in as much as he sells vitamins and people look down on him because of it, but they're actually good. Okay. But that is the thrust of the question in the attorneys mind. Right? Not that Alex is going to talk about getting PQ Q for Right.

Jordan (00:54:17.000)

Right. Right. See, this is where I feel like trying to apply the rules of normal logic to what's going on is because it's clear that Ray now thinks something is true. And Alex thinks something is true. And despite the fact that they're supposed to be on the same team, it is not the same thing.

Dan (00:54:33.000)

I think that's probably a fair assessment. But then again, we're kind of, you know, reaction speculation or on the outside. We're

Jordan (00:54:40.000)

on the outside. I get it. I get it sustained. Yeah.

Dan (00:54:42.000)

So here Aleksa blys.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:45.000)

Let's discuss, for example, female, how much email does Infowars routinely get?

Alex Jones (00:54:56.000)

By being I mean, I know when we look to comply with of discovery, which we did play with, it was over 10 million that they had a search that was still in the inbox on open. So it was 10 million on open and a few 100,000 opened.

Dan (00:55:09.000)

So Alex has said that he complied with discovery, which is going to be a problem later, Oh, yeah. Immediately later, because he said something else.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:17.000)

How many employees what Info Wars have to have? In your view, if you were to actually read every message, every email every kid that sent in,

Alex Jones (00:55:27.000)

it would take 1015 20 people we go bankrupt, which we aren't.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:38.000)

Going back to I want to ask you a question. There's a term that has been thrown around during this trial of the Truther. Community or truth, people.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:54.000)

What is a

Unknown Speaker (00:55:55.000)

couple of options? I'm going to do that now. That really depends on you, Mr. Benson, whether you think I need to hear them now or later

Mark Bankston (00:56:07.000)

on where they need to hurt.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:12.000)

Alright, um, we're gonna just just sit tight for a second. We're gonna take a break.

Dan (00:56:20.000)

So Mark has stood up and said that we need to make a contemporaneous motion. Yeah, it's because Alex cannot say that he or his company are bankrupt in this part of the trial that they're in at this at this stage. That's a claim that he could make in the portion about net worth, which is separated from the compensatory damages phase of the proceedings. But it would also probably be inappropriate at that point, since it's not true. This is why Mark asked to make these motions. Alex has now said that he's bankrupt and that he complied with discovery in front of the jury, which are both deeply inappropriate things for him to do can't do it. He raises this concern Mark does and that leads to judge gambled dismissing the jury and then saying this. I

Alex Jones (00:57:03.000)

remember the day watching Part Haslams testimonial when I was coming here, and him talking about the bankruptcy, so I thought that was totally fine. When he gets to why

Unknown Speaker (00:57:14.000)

he gets to do Mr. Jones. Stop making just stop. Okay,

Dan (00:57:20.000)

just stop. Yep. He is. Confused. flummoxed? Oh, yeah. And then this is the last clip from day one. I think that this was something that was pretty cathartic for a lot of folks.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:35.000)

Mr. Phillips, you may not say to this jury, that you can fly with discovered. That is not true. You may not say it again.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:51.000)

You may not tell this jury that you are bankrupt. That is also not true. You may have filed for bankruptcy. I don't know that. But I've heard that. It doesn't. It doesn't make a person or company bankrupt.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:14.000)

You're already under oath to tell the truth. You've already violated that oath twice today. Just those two examples. It seems absurd to instruct you again, that you must tell the truth while you testify. Yet here I am. You must tell the truth. While you testified. This is not your show. You need to slow down and not take what you see as opportunities to further the message you're wanting to further and instead, only answer the specific and exact question you have been asked no asides. The comments about discovery, the comments about the larynx or whatever it was the comments about bankruptcy. None of those were responsive to questions. They were just you abusing my tolerance and making asides to the jury improperly and at least two cases. untruthfully. Do you understand what I have said yes or no? Do you understand what I have said?

Alex Jones (00:59:35.000)

Yes. I believe what I said was true.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:37.000)

So yes, you believe everything you say is true, but it isn't your beliefs do not make something true. That is that is what we're doing here. Just because you claim to think something is true does not make it true. It does not protect you. It is not allowed. You're under oath. That means things must actually be true when you say them Don't you understand what I have said?

Dan (01:00:05.000)

Don't talk there is so

Jordan (01:00:07.000)

intense. Yeah, yeah. I

Dan (01:00:09.000)

mean, the the the I believe what I said was true in the response to that is at the crux of why debate with someone like Alex is pointless. Yep. There is a complete disconnect from any objectivity any any belief in a reality that exists outside of what you want to be true. Right. And that is hard in a courtroom setting.

Jordan (01:00:36.000)

Yeah, I mean, you know, we've we've said before, like any communication begins with the definition of terms kind of thing. But that cannot be possible. If somebody is speaking bird while you're trying to speak English. You can't be like, Oh, okay, cheap, cheap means no, it's just not gonna happen. Yeah, you can't do it. And so I can I can talk to birds. I mean, it is it is satisfying to hear somebody have to be like, listen, objective reality is real. I don't know how to like she's flabbergasted by the idea that that needs to be introduced into court,

Dan (01:01:08.000)

I have to introduce to you bedrock concepts of object permanence.

Jordan (01:01:13.000)

What is the is this a desk? Tell me what is and is not for you? So we can continue? Don't speak? Exactly.

Dan (01:01:23.000)

I think that, and I was I was subjected to this as well, the notion of Alex being under oath in those first, the first deposition that came out, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people who were excited about like, the idea that Alex is finally going to not be able to lie, lie. Right. And I, Myself was intrigued by the possibility maybe, and I think through watching them and engaging with the trial, as it proceeded, I was not expecting the same things that a lot of people might have out of this trial. Right. And I feel for the judge. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. to having to preside over this is a impossible task. Yeah. And the notion that I think a lot of people are entering this with or the perception is that this trial, it doesn't exist in the context of the case that preceded it. Right, you know, like, you see her being kind of annoyed. And it's because Alex has pulled this shit, right over and over and over again. And, and, you know, I think in one interview that I did, I can't remember who it was with, but I made a point that like, she looks like she's pissed off. But she's being so patient. Oh, like, sir, the context of this is missing. You only watch the trial. Yeah. And if you only watched the trial, I could understand coming away from it with the perception that like, she's not giving Alex an inch at all. Yeah, whatever. But there's a reason. And that's, that's unfortunate that, you know, there's not a previously on Yeah, the trial

Jordan (01:02:55.000)

end, it is such a thing where she is doing such a great job, because she is giving so much preferential treatment to the defense, like no, and let me try and explain that better. So I'm like you, right, right, right. So if Alex was a normal person, the fourth time you tell them, they can't lie on the stand, there has to be some consequence.

Dan (01:03:19.000)

That's when you bring out the stocks.

Jordan (01:03:21.000)

Exactly. Do you know what I'm saying? But a normal person would never let it get that far. So we don't even know how to deal with this. Because you, you you if you do that. That's what he wants. He wants you to say, Oh, I have to go to jail for lying. They're locking me up for telling the truth. Right, you know?

Dan (01:03:39.000)

Or like, Hey, Alex, why don't you put that bumper sticker on your mouth for real?

Jordan (01:03:43.000)

Absolutely. So there's just talk. So there's just this constant push and pull between her being like, I have to treat you like a screaming whiny baby. And at the same time, I have to treat this like we're in an actual courtroom. Yeah,

Dan (01:03:54.000)

you have to be treated like a screaming whiny baby, because that's what your behavior is. Exactly. And at the same time, you have to be treated like an adult because you're facing adult consequences for your adult actions. And yeah, it's it's a, it's a difficult position to be. I mean, but I'm not jealous of that.

Jordan (01:04:10.000)

There's a lot that you wouldn't have ever allowed the plaintiffs to get away with legally simply because she's like, You're adults, I have to hold you to a standard that I'm not holding these fourth graders to and that she did give them that preferential treatment is both like, starkly unfair, and yet at the same time, the only way to have this trial

Dan (01:04:29.000)

well to be to be totally fair. It's I don't know if it's appropriate to call it preferential treatment, but gave a lot of patients a lot of wide berth shoe like, all right, I'm not going to hold you in contempt, right for clearly lying under oath for doing the thing that we hold people in contempt for right Yeah, right. There was a lot of a generous approach to to punishing Alex right and he still couldn't offer right with that, couldn't do it. So we go to the second day now because the this is the you know, where the took the break for the day was about five o'clock, right. And so Alex returns under oath and there's still the direct questioning right and all is still giving him questions and unfortunately, the law and crime video of this is missing the first 10 minutes or so. Ah, and so the beginning of this is establishing that Alex kind of like had less connection with those weirdos than maybe he actually did.

Jordan (01:05:33.000)

Right, right, right. This is just trying to say that he didn't know Steve or Wilf game or especially not the Kraken.

Dan (01:05:39.000)

Steve onto the bus pretty hard. Real quick. I would not be happy if I was Steve reached out for comment, Steve, which is the subject which

Jordan (01:05:47.000)

is funny because in the first week of the trial, Steve Botanik was one of the names that Ray Nall brought up to Becca being like whenever he was on his array of Do you think this person is a racist? Do you think this person is a racist? Do you think that CVPs name come up as as like a defendable name, along with Stefan Molyneux? Like it was

Dan (01:06:09.000)

absurd Stefan Molyneux racist? Yes, yes. Yeah. He said, So Real loud is Steve magenic. Racist. Oh, he's dead. He hates Julie's weird feelings about

Jordan (01:06:20.000)

Jewish people hates them.

Dan (01:06:22.000)

So yeah, the the beginning portion of this is really trying to downplay the connections and Alex's associations with the major players. And some of them I think, are kind of like, you could you could actually get away with this. Like, I don't think that him and James Tracy had that much. Sure. Connection. Sure. I can see that. And I think Alex should be hanging his hat far more on the fact that Paul Joseph Watson's interview with James Tracy, the initial one was like, a little bit adversarial. Yeah. Maybe not as much as a, like an actual responsible journalist would share. Paul did push back on the idea that there were actors. Right, right. Yeah. Such

Jordan (01:07:03.000)

in the same way the court grades on a curve for the fifth graders. Paul has proven himself to be in seventh grade strong. Yeah.

Dan (01:07:09.000)

So Steve does come up here. And Alex has an interesting perception on what he did.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:17.000)

During that time you interviewed Steve pathetic about the story. Why did you pick him? Did you reach out to him to he reached out to you

Alex Jones (01:07:25.000)

and I reviewed the video, but it was a few weeks ago. I mean, I believe he was on on other subjects, and I believe it came up or and then I believe your time and I think I argued with him about it being totally staged. That I found that hard to believe

Dan (01:07:43.000)

this isn't really accurate. Alex didn't argue with Steve. But it also wouldn't it would be a mischaracterization to say that he gave Steve a full backing Ryan his claim, right? Alex was interested in the theories and was like, Oh, we got a top experts saying it's fake. But he didn't really commit to it in that interview. And Steve was on for something else. He was pretending to be Alex's on the scene reporter in the demilitarized zone because Alex was trying to drum up panic about how North Korea was going to start a nuclear war.

Jordan (01:08:11.000)

God I remember that. He said he was in Korea. He said he was in

Dan (01:08:17.000)

side hanging out with soldiers from both sides. country of Korea. Yep. Yep. So from Florida, he claimed that I have no evidence. He might have eggs. No, I think that there is a really decent chance that he was on a vacation to South Korea. Because I have seen some pictures you posted of him and various like, All right, so touristy place. Well done. Well done. That's possible. And then he just pretended Yes.

Jordan (01:08:46.000)

All right. We're not doing I'm not doing DMZ, but I'll give him vacation. Yeah,

Dan (01:08:50.000)

I think that's okay. So, in this course of questioning, I think that Alex, the goal that he had was to present this image that like, his life was really in trouble around the time. That Sandy Hook happened for me. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:06.000)

Can you tell us what led you to have Wolfgang Halbig on in 2014?

Alex Jones (01:09:13.000)

He was on a lot of shows and he had a group of bullet points. And my producer set him up on the show so I had him on

Unknown Speaker (01:09:24.000)

at the time, what if anything else was going on in your life?

Alex Jones (01:09:29.000)

My My family was falling apart. Was a divorce.

Dan (01:09:35.000)

So weird, like attempt to paint a picture of like, if you're weren't if you weren't getting divorced, you wouldn't have booked Wolfgang Halbig on our show. Yeah, that's weird. This

Jordan (01:09:45.000)

This got weird. Yeah, this whole section where he's his whole woe is me thing was, I mean, I know that they wanted it to come off as though he was like a person who was also suffering but it really just came off more like, are you gonna do this

Dan (01:10:04.000)

here? Yeah, it was strange. Yeah. And he also tries to blame Steve Moore, which I, if I were Steve, I would not appreciate. And I would probably attack Alex, because you're a crazy old man, and you got nothing to lose. Why not? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:19.000)

We've had a video received an evidence of you stating your belief at that time that no one died at Sandy Hook that the whole thing was fake. Do you understand as you sit here today, how crazy that is?

Alex Jones (01:10:39.000)

I have said before that there have been so many lies and swings the past and I was under a lot of pressure. And I truly when I said those statements, when I say something, I mean it that my wife was totally staged that point. And I was basing that off of really, Steve magenic. Who is that has been a very prestigious person.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:03.000)

And now that it was absolutely your responsibility to do

Alex Jones (01:11:07.000)

that. It was, especially since I've met the parents and say it's 100% Real as a summary of yesterday. And as I sit here today, it's 100%. Real, and the media still ran with lies that I was saying it wasn't real on air yesterday. It's incredible. They won't let me take it back. They just want to keep me in the position of being the Sandy Hook me and my son got confronted yesterday.

Mark Bankston (01:11:33.000)

Objection speculation as to what the media wants. Mr. Jones has just been on the show.

Dan (01:11:39.000)

Woe is me. Alex is the real victim here. Although I think Steve needs to get on YouTube and cut a video about Alex something throwing him under the bus.

Jordan (01:11:48.000)

Yeah, he wants to be the one the media claims the Sandy Hook man. Yeah,

Dan (01:11:54.000)

come on. Yeah. Come on,

Jordan (01:11:55.000)

Steve. Wow. Start a public battle. That would be great. Ah, for both of them. Yeah. But mostly for me.

Dan (01:12:02.000)

But then who's David Knight gonna side with?

Jordan (01:12:05.000)

Oh, boy. I feel like it's all dudes against Alex. Okay, old dudes against Alex's young guards shirts versus

Dan (01:12:14.000)

I would like to see. David Knight and Steve Pjanic reached a talk. That would be nice. Desire to spill the tea.

Jordan (01:12:27.000)

For a lot of final a team up of Grumpy Old Men three.

Dan (01:12:31.000)

By the way, what is this the first time that they talked and spill the tea?

Jordan (01:12:36.000)

I don't know. I don't know the French had a lot of things to say.

Dan (01:12:42.000)

Correct? What that you read now?

Jordan (01:12:45.000)

That's going off the rails Ray. This is this is a testimony worthy of this trial.

Dan (01:12:51.000)

So I Alex says something about his realization that Sandy Hook was real in this next clip, and I found this deeply troubling.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:00.000)

At the end, the middle of 2015 and July 2015. You stopped Infowars stopped covering Sandy Hook. Yes. Why did you stop?

Alex Jones (01:13:16.000)

Because how big was saying that I was involved in Sandy Hook because I wouldn't have him on. And I started finding out that some of the things that the anomalies they had put forward weren't true. And I had just ended my divorce and just kind of was got my head cleaned up and stop drinking for a while and realize that it probably didn't happen. And I was probably I mean, it was good chance I was wrong. So I started basically trying to walk it back long before I got sued. Because I wasn't sure that I was writing more. Not everything's a false flag, not everything shaved.

Dan (01:13:55.000)

So this is disturbing because there does seem to be a pattern of Alex discussing his drinking as it relates to his actions involving Sandy Hook. We've seen it in an interview and now under oath and honestly, it's indicative of a very serious substance abuse problem. drunk or sober. Alex is an asshole and deserves the consequences of his actions. But I want to draw sharp focus to the difference in how Alex talks about the issue depending on his surroundings. Here in court, Alex is discussing his realization that Sandy Hook actually happened about some time in 2015. There's absolutely no prompt for him to bring up that he had stopped drinking for a while as an explanation for his supposed period of clarity. But he does, which leads me to believe that it means something to him. I don't think that it's true, but I do believe that he probably was going through a lot and stopped drinking for a while around the end of 2015. This is all being said in service of humanizing Alex and minimizing the things that he did. He was going through a lot and was drinking a ton but once he got sober he realized that he was wrong and changed his behaviors, except in reality he didn't. He was still doing his show wasted years. was past this point and he didn't change his behavior in any meaningful way. He still just ran with bullshit stories from bullshit sources and defame people regularly. But he wants the perception to be that this was just a bad pocket in his life when all these negative influences led him to drink and his judgment was weakened. He doesn't want the jury to know that he got right back to the heavy drinking and bullshitting with Steve Botanik basically the next week, because that kind of cheapens whatever fake display of penitence he's trying to put on here. But the other time Alex discussed his drinking in relation to Sandy Hook was a lot different. In the Glenn Greenwald q&a. Alex was joking about how he defamed grieving parents and caused immeasurable pain in their lives by saying that he didn't know what he was doing and drank a bottle of vodka that day. It wasn't a person expressing this as a negative thing. It was Alex trying to appear cool because he wanted to impress the cool kids like Greenwald, who can give them access to a new audience. I find this dynamic, deeply upsetting. And the only conclusion I can come to is that Alex was drinking on air a lot during this stretch, and that he probably as a way bigger problem than even I think, and I have been chastised for begging people in his life to get him help a bunch in the past. It's true. Anyway, a lot of this falls on deaf ears to me in a courtroom setting. Like I would take him more seriously if he took the tone that he did in the q&a while on the stand. But that's not gonna happen. Because there's no cool kids to impress them. Yeah. But if he was on the stand, he's like, Oh, I drank a bottle of vodka. You know, like, I would be like, All right. I'm just as interesting as being an asshole. How do you consistent?

Jordan (01:16:32.000)

How do you say that in the in a courtroom? How do you do that? Because to me, what you just said is, nah, come on. It wasn't that bad. Whenever I hit him, I was drunk driving,

Unknown Speaker (01:16:42.000)

right? Like, I

Jordan (01:16:43.000)

don't know how you say that in a courtroom. And in a situation that is ostensibly you also saying that you believe it's 100% Real,

Dan (01:16:52.000)

you are only drunk driving because you're in an ugly divorce. Exactly.

Jordan (01:16:57.000)

But But even then you're saying that really is ex wife's fault. You're saying that you said that when you were drunk? And now you're saying that it's 100%? Real? Are you drunk? Or are you sober? And doesn't matter? I mean, if that's why you're if that's your reasoning here, then it doesn't matter. You know, whenever when they reported that it was 100% True. There's a part of me that's like, Well, was he drunk? Because that's I mean, yeah, right. Then what it means the same amount either way,

Dan (01:17:24.000)

right? I mean, it's just a it's just a way for him to contextualize his actions by looking at his past self as the drunk self. Exactly. And that's not me. That's, that can be definitely true for people who get help shortcut. Like I'm not saying that you know who you are, when you're in your addiction is necessarily who you have to share rest of you're sure for sure. Recovery is possible and all that right. But Alex has not done any of that stuff. And so him trying to pretend like this past self is somebody that I own up to being and it but it is not characteristic of me is a it's a false perception. It's an abuse of people's understanding of abuse problem. Yes. 100 mushrooms with Mike Tyson on his fucking show. month ago, yeah, whatever. No, I

Jordan (01:18:11.000)

mean, part of it. Listen, you do have to own up to consequences for your behavior, regardless of whether you are an addict or not. That's part of recovery. That's part of what it is. Yeah. And he's not even owning up to his behavior in the fucking courtroom.

Dan (01:18:27.000)

Right? Yeah. Because all of this is in genuine and just an attempt to feel less bad about him.

Jordan (01:18:33.000)

Absolutely. This is this whole situation is not about the parents. For him. It is entirely about him, trying to feel good about him and

Dan (01:18:41.000)

trying to make rationalizations for them. Yep. So the Kraken comes up down, but donde Alex definitely does not want to be associated with him. Which makes sense. Yeah.

Reynal (01:18:51.000)

During that time, there was a reporter working for.

Reynal (01:18:55.000)

There's a gentleman who at least we've had you shouldn't have said report to remember, at some point before April was

Reynal (01:19:01.000)

named Dan but donde Are you familiar with that? Yes. Can you tell us who he is?

Alex Jones (01:19:07.000)

He was a part time reporter

Jordan (01:19:10.000)

weren't supposed to say that.

Alex Jones (01:19:11.000)

It was a really nice guy. But we weren't. We weren't. We wouldn't be more comedy based part of the show then. And so Rob's like this guy's like a Howard Stern character. And so we hired him to do some funny stuff that he wanted to do serious stuff.

Dan (01:19:25.000)

Oh man, he's like you're wack pack. So the comedy The damn donde was doing things like going to that FOIA hearing with Wolfgang Halbig hilarious hilarious Hello. We're like when he interrupted the Boston bombing. The the press conference, please. We're giving well, those aren't half brothers. We're still on the loose and unidentified right. But it was fun. At

Jordan (01:19:47.000)

least he didn't say that he was specifically harassing people. He said he was being a hilarious jokester, right.

Dan (01:19:53.000)

I mean, look, this is such bullshit. Yeah. For every reason. Oh man. That's so many Reason. And Alex saying that, like he didn't approve of this stuff like go back and listen to those Boston Bombing episodes, where he's like, over the moon and just like, it's celebrating Dan, but donde interrupting this press conference and yelling infowars.com. Yep. And like, yeah, you proved of all of it. You're making a joke of serious things. That's what you were doing with him. And you just don't want to own up to the pain of cause. Yeah. So this whole defense has largely circled around the idea that you have to watch the full Eclipse. So at this point, Ray Nall puts on a very long video Yeah, of Alex's now, the things that are a problem here, some of them we're gonna get into, but also, the video includes Alex repeating Yep, the claim. Yep. That Wolfgang Halbig. Correct. Said So this is supposed to be his big apology. Yep. And at the same time, he's like, why did the school have no traffic online? Yeah, it's like, okay, yeah, no, well, this isn't true.

Jordan (01:21:00.000)

Yeah. Yeah. It was wild for them to insist on playing the full clip, the full clip of which was more damning than the shorter clip. Yeah, I would argue

Dan (01:21:09.000)

so outside of the, the just the repetition of Wolfgang's points, and the conspiracies around Sandy Hook, which I don't think helped their case. Nope. There were some other things that I thought would be interesting to point out. Here's the first one.

Alex Jones (01:21:27.000)

choice here, Ben Garrison cartoon. Of course, on my original term, dinosaur media. You got ISIS working with MSM, CNN, NBC, the governor, the waterhole getting their money. And here comes Stefan Molyneux, because Paul Watson, here comes Cernovich show here comes the Infowars. Here comes Dr.

Dan (01:21:47.000)

Bart. Yeah, it's a back then Molyneux was complete, just totally fine

Jordan (01:21:51.000)

to put him in associates. I am a white nationalist

Dan (01:21:56.000)

on Molyneux. Paul, Joseph Watson, you know, you had you had a real different climate in the time that was so different. Yeah.

Jordan (01:22:05.000)

All those players are so different.

Dan (01:22:07.000)

Well, I mean, they didn't have to snub Molyneux because he spoke a little bit too openly Shin spoken like, I knew I'd be pissed. I know. Like all of us. All

Jordan (01:22:17.000)

of you guys are open white nationalists. Now why don't I get to be coming back?

Dan (01:22:21.000)

Did you ever see that video of Owen Benjamin, after the intellectual darkweb started not liking him? Hmm. There's a video of him drinking beer and complaining about all the like intellectual darkweb people who don't like him anymore, because he got kicked off Twitter, right? It's just the same thing. Like, I understand that. Like, yes, you shouldn't be pissed off, right, your friends who don't like you anymore, because you spoke too openly about things that you all believe you all believe the same shifts. Yeah, absolutely. You just said some slurs. Yeah. And all of a sudden, you're too toxic. Yeah, to be a part of, I feel like Stefan Molyneux should definitely feel that way. Like the content that he was putting out when everybody was buddy buddy with him is just as offensive as the stuff that he puts out. Later. Yeah, a little bit clearer.

Jordan (01:23:09.000)

Yeah, later, I think I think the way that I would describe the feeling that they must have is like, they're all over the line. Like these are all people who are wily coyote who have already jumped off the edge of the cliff and you say the slur that's like you telling everybody else Oh, look, we're floating and then you fall and they're like, Good thing we're not floating we're so we're just standing on solid ground was never running with that guy to be yeah, I've never even seen it look at how far down he is. So it's crazy how far down he is. Yeah,

Dan (01:23:39.000)

so Alex discusses in this clip that they're playing in court this coverage of him that is actually pretty good. He there's one person who's done a great job

Alex Jones (01:23:50.000)

excellent article from Zero Hedge NBC not to air interview with wire Megan Kelly this article better than anyone I've seen the posts on infowars.com break down exactly how I feel. What's actually happened is from my bank coin.com Originally from zero point now as who posted this this article, I need to get this person to write for Infowars. Journalist the actual reporting on I said they showed my quotes going back over years saying I don't know what happened, but it's got more holes under Swiss cheese and I believe kids die that needs to be investigated. And there's definitely a cover up

Dan (01:24:29.000)

zero point now is the person who wrote the article that Owen was relying on when he defamed Taslan Yeah. So Oh, when is

Jordan (01:24:38.000)

0.9 is puppet? Yeah, yeah. Well, I

Dan (01:24:41.000)

mean, literally, yeah. By now I bankcoin according to under oath. Oh, yeah. His puppet. He's his puppet. Yeah, so it was just interesting to see this pop up here, because this is also in a very close timeframe with when Owen made that video, because Alex is talking about how he doesn't want the Megan Kelly in Have you to air right? So it's after he's shot it, but before it airs, it's in that pocket. And then oh, and shoot that video pretty much closely after the Megyn Kelly interview airs as a response to it. So what you have here is Alex wanting to hire the person who wrote the article that Oh, and relied on to create defamatory content?

Jordan (01:25:22.000)

Yeah. Fun. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is amazing to me that one, the defense only used the plaintiffs evidence, which is usually a bad sign. To that, in so doing, they have made the plaintiffs case really, really well.

Dan (01:25:42.000)

I would think so. Yeah. So Ron all comes back. And he wants to have Alex say that Sandy Hook is real and not a conspiracy. He

Jordan (01:25:50.000)

wants that so bad.

Dan (01:25:51.000)

So here's the first attempt. Here we go.

Unknown Speaker (01:25:53.000)

As you sit here today. What are your beliefs around the Sandy Hook school shooting?

Alex Jones (01:26:07.000)

Oh, I've certainly started it now. And I should have a better job studying it.

Jordan (01:26:12.000)

That's an apology, right?

Alex Jones (01:26:14.000)

There was an initial cover of what happened in my view, because

Jordan (01:26:18.000)

I'm sorry, wait, are you questioning Sandy Hook on the stand?

Alex Jones (01:26:21.000)

Uvalde. Both shoulder really died. And they cover up there. It's admitted. There's now state investigations to cover up the Texas Rangers are on it. And the governor said it's outrageous cover up. And it's incompetence is what it was. And I thought it was incompetent. What happened in Florida a few years ago?

Dan (01:26:48.000)

Well, I mean, it's sustained. rambles, gets caught off into talking about Uvalde. You've got there's a because he latches on to the idea of a cover up. Yep. And he feels the need to defend this cover up idea. So he jumps to Uvalde gets gets an objection. So now here's the second attack. Let's

Jordan (01:27:07.000)

go for it again.

Unknown Speaker (01:27:09.000)

My question was, as you sit here today, what is your your position your view on? What happened? The murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012.

Alex Jones (01:27:24.000)

A young man on psychotropic drugs. And the answer is almost safe and make you do mass shootings, mass murders as he says it on insert.

Mark Bankston (01:27:35.000)

I think we're coming really close to contempt here. Again for years.

Dan (01:27:38.000)

Okay. So Alex now says his pharmaceuticals talking point and feels the need to defend the pharmaceutical stock. And so he goes down that road hits another objection. Yeah. So at this point right now just gives up yeah, he's quit. He said, I'm gonna move on. And then Alex of his own volition decides to try a third time. Yep. Any website. Here we go.

Alex Jones (01:28:02.000)

You're you're asking what I think Sandy Hook happened. And I think it's a terrible event. And I think we need to protect our children from mentally ill psychopaths. And we and I think there was a cover up because they had warnings. The FBI knew about it. They knew he was planning to attack the school. That's been in the even the New York Times. And I think once that window

Unknown Speaker (01:28:22.000)

object again, I don't want to say hold right now. There's actually no question. You're just talking. Okay, it's not a show. It's a question. Answer to love. question asked, Have you got that objection is sustained. And we need another question.

Dan (01:28:38.000)

Yeah. So Alex had three tries there to say something. Yep, very simple, so simple, and could not help himself in creating conspiracy yarns. So we have one last question from rainfall.

Jordan (01:28:51.000)

I just hope in my entire life that I never hear Mark, say something with the amount of smile. Voice now I don't ever want to hear that. That's a bad sound and close to contempt. That's how bad sound that makes me feel like some dangers around the corner. Yeah. And it should because it was.

Dan (01:29:09.000)

So like I said, Rinoa is one last question. Yes. That we're going to look at. And it's a doozy.

Reynal (01:29:15.000)

When you look back on your 20 plus years in media, what are you most proud of?

Alex Jones (01:29:27.000)

I'm most proud of 911. Early on exposing but the WMDs war in Iraq was a fraud and it was a lie close. And I'm very, very proud of being the first to expose Jeffrey Epstein and his child trafficking rings. Were on record with the first expose that decade before anybody else by name, even exposing the island of the rest of it from our sources.

Dan (01:29:51.000)

So Alex definitely wasn't the first to report on WMDs in Iraq and the question but all intelligence surrounding the story, even though he was correct to be skeptic We'll have that story. His skepticism was childish, and it was just a knee jerk response. It wasn't based on anything other than his own whim. So I guess he can brag that he got that one right. But he can't really take any credit for doing any work on the subject or even covering it competently. As we've seen his Iraq War coverage in 2003 is embarrassing stuff from the insistence that the bath party were being reinstalled to rule the country, while do bath of occasion was taking place up to his unsupported weekslong assertion that Saddam's kids weren't killed, and were in Belarus with their father, they still are to his really shitty coverage of David Kelly suicide, the larger picture that you get from that time as a person who's not really worth accepting as a source, it's not worth it. Now, he wasn't the only person saying that WMD intelligence was sketchy, and the other people who were expressing that opinion didn't overwhelm that accurate opinion, with an avalanche of embarrassing bullshit. As for Epstein, I really want to challenge this because I don't believe this at all. I've listened to Alex from a lot of periods of his career, and I've never heard him bring up Epstein except after larger media covered the story. I don't believe at all that Alex was covering Epstein, let alone covering him by name 10 years before the mainstream. I believe that Alex has convinced himself of his own bullshit, like we talked about earlier. From as far back as I can find Alex basically believes the Satanic Panic type stuff was real. Things like the McMartin school case, were actually real. And he based a lot of that off that and same shit that Ted Gunderson apparently had told him. I do except that Alex has talked about his fantasies of satanic groups kidnapping and abusing children for a long time. And I think what he's done is retroactively connect Epstein to that coverage. So he can claim us on the story all along, like how his first documentary was about the great reset. Right, right. I'm open to anyone providing me with evidence that Alex was talking about Epstein by name about his island and the sex crimes 10 years before everyone else. And if they do, I will reevaluate my position. But I've looked and I can find no evidence that this claim that Alex is making is true at all. I've even looked through the Alex Jones prediction section on his website, where he posts all the videos of him ostensibly being right about all these things way back in the past. I can't find any video of him being way ahead of the curve on Epstein. And thus this answer Alex's giving feels accurate. He's asked to say what he's most proud of in his career and what he comes up with his one story that half the country got right and the other is something that is almost certainly not true. There is nothing in his career to be proud of. He spouted meaningless bullshit for two decades. And I'll definitely applaud him for dragging it out that long, but beyond that, his career has meant nothing but other people's pain and in profiting from it.

Jordan (01:32:40.000)

Yeah, yeah. If that was if that was me, I wouldn't, I would have said nothing. I would have been like, you know what, I don't really want to answer this question.

Dan (01:32:48.000)

We've launched so many stars, like

Jordan (01:32:51.000)

reset wars. Oh, no, that's not good. What else do we got? I've made a lot of money. Jakari Jackson published a children's book. I think that was pretty cool.

Dan (01:33:03.000)

That was after Infowars. Oh, anyway, cross examination starts. Oh, boy, this is fun. And fireworks happens a little bit down the road. Yeah. But first marks initial strategy in the beginning of this is to impeach Alex as a credible witness. And so to do that, he sets a couple traps,

Mark Bankston (01:33:21.000)

where I talk to you about the details of the history of this case. I want to know are you taking this job seriously? You're approaching it in good faith?

Alex Jones (01:33:32.000)

Absolutely.

Mark Bankston (01:33:33.000)

Okay. The truth is, you and your company, want the world to believe that this judge is rigging this court proceeding to make sure that a script, a literal script is being followed. That's what you want the world to believe, right?

Alex Jones (01:33:56.000)

Are not barred from talking about this.

Mark Bankston (01:33:58.000)

I'm asking you the question. Mr. Jones,

Unknown Speaker (01:34:00.000)

wave court works as you answer a question until there's an objection.

Mark Bankston (01:34:06.000)

Mr. Jones, make sure you understand it very clearly. You want the world to believe that this judge is reading this court proceeding. So that a script and I mean, a literal script is being followed. That's what you want the world to deliver? That's what Infowars when

Alex Jones (01:34:26.000)

I believe when you're given a court order that you cannot say you're innocent, that that's not America, and the quarter was right there on the table. I've been told I can't stand that upset.

Unknown Speaker (01:34:33.000)

So you need to answer the question that is

Mark Bankston (01:34:37.000)

asked I asked you this question. Yes or no, that's what you want the world to believe?

Alex Jones (01:34:41.000)

No, I believe the jury is real. And I believe that I I believe that I'm innocent till proven guilty. And I believe a jury should decide my guilt.

Mark Bankston (01:34:49.000)

Your Honor. At this time, we'd like to offer a clip from Infowars on Friday for the purposes of impeachment in which those exact words

Dan (01:34:55.000)

oops, oops, so that happens and then it him immediately leads into another trap.

Mark Bankston (01:35:03.000)

One of the things you've been talking about a lot recently, on your show, even within the past couple months, is your allegation that government officials are aiding in pedophilia, child trafficking and the grooming of children. Right.

Alex Jones (01:35:21.000)

What do you mean? Like what Jeffrey Epstein did with the Clintons? Sure. If

Mark Bankston (01:35:25.000)

that's a yes. Is that a yes, yes. Okay. And on Thursday, you and Infowars started connecting those allegations to our judge didn't you know, in fact, Mr. Jones, you're telling the world not to believe what happens in this courtroom? Because the judge worked with Child Protective Services, who you say is involved with pedophilia and child trafficking? Correct?

Alex Jones (01:35:52.000)

Not all of it this, the Texas Youth Commission got caught doing it a lot. There's a lot of that here.

Mark Bankston (01:35:56.000)

I'm not asking you that. Mr. Jones, I'm asking you, you're telling the world not to believe what's happened in his tribe? Because this judge is involved with CPS who was working with child traffickers and

Alex Jones (01:36:10.000)

pedophilia. Correct? No, that's not what I'm saying.

Mark Bankston (01:36:13.000)

Your Honor. At this time, we would like to show a clip from Mr. Jones Show on Thursday, where those words are saying, oh,

Dan (01:36:19.000)

oh, UPS. And there's of course a third rate, why wouldn't

Mark Bankston (01:36:23.000)

there tell you? This? Jerry, you're taking his job seriously. You're telling the world that someone inside Travis County government rate, the jury summons and picked these jurors specifically who don't know what planet they're on? Correct. That's what you're telling me? Well.

Alex Jones (01:36:48.000)

I'm saying that that could potentially be a danger if they don't know what's going on.

Mark Bankston (01:36:55.000)

Because potentially, so you're saying, potentially you didn't go on your summary say those words. Can you show me I would be happy to for impeachment, we would like to now offer a video from a drone show on Friday saying those words,

Jordan (01:37:09.000)

but oh, this reminds me so much of the deposition where it's like, okay, how have you were on try number three? How do you not realize that when he says, Did you say those words? He's going to play the clip?

Dan (01:37:26.000)

Right? But you know, answering yes. Is a chaotic option. That

Jordan (01:37:33.000)

is true. That is true. But you can't you have to answer B, you have to answer. Yes. It's a show like you have to answer with Yes. And then something you can't say no, because he's just going to go

Dan (01:37:45.000)

yeah, that is let's go to the clip. That is an option. Yeah. But no matter what, what do you end up with is like, Okay, we have demonstrated that Alex is an untrustworthy person. Sure he is. This is all bullshit. It's not a witness that you should take seriously. Just

Jordan (01:37:59.000)

right now he's winning position. No, that's true. No, no, no.

Dan (01:38:03.000)

So Mark tries to bring up the video that rain all played, and the whole thing about how, hey, you just repeated all the claims about the school not being real.

Jordan (01:38:16.000)

And you realize that if you do that, then you are once again denying Sandy Hook.

Dan (01:38:21.000)

Yeah, and I think wood this is a this is about two minutes. And it is a really good encapsulation of why it is useless to try to get Alex to recognize points that he doesn't want to recognize. Yep. You remember

Mark Bankston (01:38:35.000)

them talking about the FBI crime stat saying no one killed in Sandy Hook that you read in 2017. That

Alex Jones (01:38:41.000)

was the headlines.

Mark Bankston (01:38:42.000)

What headline?

Alex Jones (01:38:45.000)

Your headline, that was that, but that's what it said?

Mark Bankston (01:38:49.000)

No, it didn't. Mr. Jones, you admit that now, the FBI did not have a crime stat. I

Alex Jones (01:38:53.000)

mean, I bet we later learned that in the full report, they don't report those in that state. They do. I think everywhere else.

Mark Bankston (01:39:00.000)

Mr. Jones, we've heard a lot of testimony about the FBI crime stat and how that got wrong. We heard that from Mr. Salazar. Were you in the recording room for that?

Alex Jones (01:39:11.000)

I think it wasn't part of it.

Mark Bankston (01:39:12.000)

Okay. So you probably heard Mr. Salazar, how he messed that up. Right.

Alex Jones (01:39:18.000)

I mean, I think we admit we messed that up.

Mark Bankston (01:39:20.000)

Right. But you're still saying it in 2017. At a time where you want this jury to believe you were saying it really happened? You in 2017. We're saying The FBI says no.

Alex Jones (01:39:31.000)

I said, No, I thought I have like five times. Yeah.

Mark Bankston (01:39:35.000)

Just like Megan Kelly said in your interview. You want to have always don't you?

Alex Jones (01:39:40.000)

Know, I think Sandy Hook happened.

Mark Bankston (01:39:41.000)

Yeah, but if Sandy Hook happened, and that means there's not an FBI crime stat when nobody died. It means that there was website traffic. It means that nobody ate your food inside the school. All these things you're saying are false. Right?

Alex Jones (01:39:54.000)

I'd have to review all of it again.

Mark Bankston (01:39:56.000)

Two minutes ago, even so many of you say no EMTs entered the building, you remember that? You remember saying that,

Alex Jones (01:40:06.000)

at the time was what you're speaking about?

Mark Bankston (01:40:08.000)

I'm asking you if when we broke from your break when your attorney put up the video that you really wanted this jury to see how fair you were being about Sandy Hook, you said no paramedics, interoperability.

Alex Jones (01:40:22.000)

Right, in a certain timeframe.

Mark Bankston (01:40:24.000)

What do you mean by that? To see

Alex Jones (01:40:27.000)

the timeframe you're talking about? What

Mark Bankston (01:40:28.000)

do you mean timeframe? You said they never entered the bill never entered it? That's what he said, Well, you said that for years,

Alex Jones (01:40:35.000)

I think you're taking on copyright because

Mark Bankston (01:40:37.000)

they had to keep them out of the building. Because otherwise, you'd have to pay up all the EMTs. Because they get in the building, and they see there's no bodies. That's what you told your audience. You've told him that many times. I don't remember what you're talking about.

Dan (01:40:49.000)

See, this is the next stage of the you have to watch the full clip, never gonna win because they watched the full clip. And now it had some stuff that Alex probably didn't realize, or forgotten was in it didn't want that. And so now, these are questions that are coming up, we have watched the full clip, oh, it's out of context. I need to see the timeline. Yeah, or whatever, there's always going to be an excuse for why there isn't complete information in front of you. That is exculpatory, in some way for Alex, and it's bullshit.

Jordan (01:41:22.000)

It's fascinating to me to listen to this and to realize like, this is also confirmation bias. They watched the clip and saw what they wanted to see. And then we're like, well, obviously, this is a great clip. It didn't even occur to them that the other stuff inside the clip could also be used to Question Alex. Well, I

Dan (01:41:44.000)

think I think maybe they approach it from maybe a perspective that I had when we were going over the Sandy Hook, immediate aftermath. And that is that I had a singular focus on trying to figure out like, the actual literal claim of actors. Sure. And so when I was going over the timeframe in 2012, and 2013, there was a like, oh, Alex isn't quite there yet, or whatever. Yeah, we did have that conversation and through the case and understanding a little bit more about what was going on, and, and all that, like my perspective has changed, in terms of like, oh, yeah, you said it was a false flag, like immediately. Yeah, basically, yeah. And had different incarnations of what his theories were and stuff. But I when I was approaching it with like, the most generous possible approach and rereading of things, I might have heard him say something like, why didn't the paramedics arrive or whatever? And not be like, Okay, this is him denying. And I think that probably when looking at the clip, there was like, he didn't say actors any Right, right. And I think that that that might be just part of how they are oblivious of what is being said to them.

Jordan (01:43:01.000)

I also feel like you just brought up a really, really good point in in the way that you view that is like, when we talk about denying Sandy Hook or Alex denying Sandy Hook. I think a lot of people are talking about him saying this didn't happen. Right? What it is, is a na amorphous blob, all of what he has to say is denying that Sandy Hook didn't happen in a sense, like, okay, so he's saying I 100% believe it's real. But I questioned the official narrative, that is just part of the a amorphous blob of denying Sandy Hook. So when he says that what he's really doing is signaling that he's still denying Sandy Hook on whatever level he can cling to. So there will not be an A resolution where he says it's 100. It's 100%. Real, if he also says, but I don't question the error, but I questioned the official story, right?

Dan (01:43:53.000)

I know what I'm saying. Can't say it's 100% Real and then rattle off all of Wolfgang, how Biggs reason.

Jordan (01:44:01.000)

Exactly. Yeah. And if you if you're even saying that there are things to question, then you're saying that you were right to question them. And you are saying that there aren't questions which there weren't about Sandy Hook,

Dan (01:44:13.000)

I actually have to take issue with that. Okay, because I think that, first of all, what Alex was doing wasn't questioning, and so you're falling into the framing there totally. But fair enough, because I think that it is okay to question things. You know, like, if like, what is a journalist doing other than asking the who, what, where, why, when how

Jordan (01:44:32.000)

I met when I was in court that day when he said, right, but I still I questioned the official narrative in court. I mean, that outside of that, you know, like,

Dan (01:44:41.000)

narrative is okay until you get an answer. And he had answers.

Jordan (01:44:45.000)

Yes, that is that is what I'm saying in 2022. If he's saying, I had I had questions if he still says I have questions about the official errors in 2020. Zoo. Exactly.

Dan (01:44:56.000)

But I think that was a no, no, that was in December. That was last year. Yeah.

Jordan (01:45:01.000)

My bad I bet you know I'm so unspecific. That's my problem.

Dan (01:45:05.000)

So Mark, the big, big moment in the cross examination, of course, is the revelation of these text messages.

Jordan (01:45:12.000)

Beautiful moment,

Dan (01:45:13.000)

we all loved it. But I think a lot of the coverage surrounding this is missing the point of these text messages. Obviously, there is the juicy idea of what could be in there. Of course, I think a lot of people are setting themselves up for real disappointment like this. Oh,

Jordan (01:45:30.000)

Geraldo found everything in that safe. This

Dan (01:45:32.000)

isn't based on any kind of like insight information that I have or anything so like, don't, don't take this as like me being like, I know, X, Y or Z. Sure, sure, sure. But I see stories about like, the notion that Trump's raid was about Alex's texts, or January 6, there's gonna be blown wide open. And I think that there is a there is a desire to expand things and like, take the what ifs and give more credence to them. Yeah. And I think people are falling into that, whether it's through headline writing or tweets. And I would advise caution, just to like, hey, we'll see what happens. We'll see what's there show, let's not write a story in advance. Right.

Jordan (01:46:12.000)

I mean, you get that though, you hear we have this? How can we not say it tranche of text messages? And and you your main, your mind immediately goes to like, oh, what could be Yeah, and you can't not You can't not think to yourself, it is entirely possible. Because we live in the weird world we live in that Alex, Roger Trump and Mike Pompeo might have had a group text where they're like, let's overthrow the country on the sixth. Like you can't not think in your brain like that kind of ridiculous thing is possible. The world has gone cuckoo, right. But then you also have to remember no, that is not how it works. And these are Alex's text messages. This is not a big player in the game, you know?

Dan (01:46:53.000)

Yeah. And there may be pieces of information that are relevant to things. And we'll know when we know exactly. But for now, don't get ahead of yourself. Because if you do, you ended up cooking yourself or backing yourself into a position where you're like, you've basically created a storyline. And if reality doesn't live up to that it's disappointing. Yeah. And I think that I think that we've learned anything in the past couple of attempts at impeachment. Yeah. Maybe should be a little careful about setting expectations in a reasonable place. But the reason that I, where I started with this Sure, I think that the media is absolutely missing the concrete reality of the text messages use in this case, right? And why they came up in the cross examination in the way that they did. And so Mark begins to get into this. And this is really where the poll text is most important. Do you

Mark Bankston (01:47:53.000)

remember when you hear from Mr. Shortage testimony? Yes. Okay. You remember what Odin said? The company has learned from its mistakes about saying, you remember? I did say that you agree that?

Alex Jones (01:48:07.000)

Yeah, we've certainly learned from our mistakes got a lot better.

Mark Bankston (01:48:14.000)

John's I'd like to show you what's been marked as plaintiffs exhibit 130. Got it upside down. Forgot to mention Sandy Hook don't let us move 130 into evidence.

Dan (01:48:33.000)

So the lead into this question is about Owens testimony that they had learned from Sandy Hook and their behavior had become better. And so that's why it's important. How this is revealed, right?

Mark Bankston (01:48:45.000)

Mr. Watson has sent you a screenshot from infowars.com Correct. Yeah, it has an article here right? Yeah. And it says stage video shows hospital using dummies in ER for Coronavirus footage

Alex Jones (01:49:07.000)

I believe so. The first

Mark Bankston (01:49:08.000)

message read along with me, Mr. Jones. He said this problem take your time

Alex Jones (01:49:30.000)

I think it's a problem and it's a real problem for me. All right, go ahead.

Mark Bankston (01:49:40.000)

Mr. Watson says this is a video of a medical student trained to intubate makes us look ridiculous suggesting this means COVID is fake. Sandy Hook all over again. read that correctly. Yes. I'm with Thomas Watson. I get it. Jones, it's true that this article is right now. Live on infowars.com. I pulled up, right?

Alex Jones (01:50:19.000)

I've never seen this text message. I guess you guys got Paul's disabled.

Dan (01:50:26.000)

So that's a sad response. Because Alex has already said that this is his phone. And these are texts between him and Paul. Yep. And so the the notion here is the setup of the question is you learned from Sandy Hook, you agree with that? That's what Owen said, Yes. Here's a text during COVID that Paul was telling you, this is Sandy Hook all over again, with you doing this bullshit about fake patients in hospitals to pretend that there's COVID patients in the hospitals. And you said, I get it. I understand that this is Sandy Hook all over again. And the article is still alive today, as we are in this courtroom. Oh, yeah. This is a damning picture. That is basically no, you have not learned from Sandy Hook. No, not only have you not learned from it, when reminded, this is Sandy Hook all over again, when you're in the middle of a lawsuit about this sort of behavior as it relates to Sandy Hook. You say, I understand, I get it right. And I don't care.

Jordan (01:51:28.000)

Right. And not just that. It is not a message from like, you know, your son, or just some stranger. It's not a random email. It's a message from your literal head editor for your most of your career. Yeah, you should pay attention, right?

Dan (01:51:46.000)

Yeah. And the person who like throughout the course of this case, has had maybe the only moments of like someone having clarity, right. You know, like in his deposition, there's a reason that Paul's not getting Right. Right, because there is documented evidence of him back then saying, cut this out. Yeah, this is bullshit. Oh,

Jordan (01:52:04.000)

he's he's literally the guy who is like, he's the

Dan (01:52:08.000)

person if you had listened to him, you wouldn't be in this situation. If we were

Jordan (01:52:11.000)

in a movie that's different from the one that this trial turned into, which was astonishing. But Paul would be the guy who gets roped back in for one last job. But in this movie, Paul's like, No, this is a terrible one last job. I'm not going to do this one last job. You guys go do the one last job and then he's watching them all die. Like that's what's happening.

Dan (01:52:31.000)

He's he's like, he sucks. Obviously, in the the lowest of low bars. He has cleared it in terms of

Jordan (01:52:41.000)

like he has not stolen $100 million from a bank. Congratulations. You are not being prosecuted for stealing $100 million dollars from a bank. It's

Dan (01:52:49.000)

it's wild that you have this situation where Paul, if you'd listened to him, you wouldn't be getting sued. You wouldn't be in the situation crazy. And then you have this text from fairly recently. Of if you just you should listen to him. And you should not have had this text exchange because it illustrates how little you give a shit and that doesn't play well. No, no.

Jordan (01:53:11.000)

I love that the here's the movie because this is the Perry Mason moment the Perry Mason moment well the Perry Mason moments coming up right right right but Mark dramatically revealing we have all your texts, right? The parody is wherever he goes. You're reading it upside down. That's where we that's the encapsulation to me of this like moment in testimony is that combination of like high drama like I have revealed fucking Tom Cruise's text messages to you right now. And then the fucking polarity of like, it's upside down Alex out.

Dan (01:53:43.000)

So anyway, Alex tries to spin this and he's trying really hard to figure out like, what the fuck can I do here?

Alex Jones (01:53:51.000)

I've never seen this text message. He can choke. I guess you guys got Paul's. My phone had disabled. So that's fine. Your phone didn't say the second. Here we go. Hold you guys that gave me the I gave it to the lawyers who said they drain the phone and find that stuff.

Mark Bankston (01:54:06.000)

Get his lawyers. There's no sponsors. That's what that's the testimonies.

Alex Jones (01:54:10.000)

No, I searched as well. I mean, that's all the stuff that you say we didn't give anything.

Mark Bankston (01:54:15.000)

You know how my phone works? Right? You've had an iPhone text messaging for several years.

Alex Jones (01:54:20.000)

Yeah.

Mark Bankston (01:54:22.000)

What does it mean if the messages are in blue? Are those whose phone is this taken from?

Alex Jones (01:54:34.000)

I mean, I just I turned the phone over and said

Mark Bankston (01:54:37.000)

Hi, have you looked in the very bottom below the very bottom left corner? Is that phone number?

Alex Jones (01:54:44.000)

Yes. So you did get my textbook. Nice trick.

Dan (01:54:52.000)

So this is the beginning of the Perry Mason moment and this is like this is what all of the you know John Oliver show Within, like all the clips shows, they run this moment. And I understand why because it is.

Jordan (01:55:06.000)

I mean, it's made for TV.

Dan (01:55:07.000)

I mean, it's literally made for TV. It's evocative, like Bill said in our interview. It's like the biggest

Jordan (01:55:12.000)

legal malaise. It is. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't get bigger does it?

Dan (01:55:16.000)

And I under I understand that. But because of the way our show works and stuff, I'm so much more interested in the reasoning and the context, or it's so you have that Paul reveal. And then the reveal of the text messages and the nature of them comes. And so that's, that's here. Let's all enjoy that. Okay.

Alex Jones (01:55:36.000)

So you did get my text messages, said you did a nice trick.

Mark Bankston (01:55:42.000)

Yes, Mr. Johnson. Indeed. You didn't get this text message. So you don't you don't know where this came from? Do you know where I got this? No. Mr. Jones, did you know that 12 days ago, 12 days ago, your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you've sent for the past two years, and when informed, did not take any steps to identify it as privileged or protected in any way. And as of two days ago, it felt free and clear into my possession. And that is how I know you lied to me. When you said you didn't have to text message about Sandy Hook. Did you know that?

Alex Jones (01:56:25.000)

See, I told you the truth. This is your Perry Mason moment I gave them my phone.

Judge Maya Gamble (01:56:30.000)

And Mr. Jones, you need to answer the question.

Alex Jones (01:56:34.000)

No, I don't notice that. But But I mean, I told you I gave him a follow up.

Mark Bankston (01:56:39.000)

Question. You said in your deposition. You searched your phone. You said you pulled down the text did the search function for Sandy Hook. That's what you said. Mr. Jones? Correct.

Alex Jones (01:56:51.000)

And I had several federal different phones with this number, but I did. Yeah. I mean, that's why you got it.

Mark Bankston (01:56:57.000)

Now, Mr. Johnson. That's not why my lawyer said to

Alex Jones (01:57:01.000)

you, but I'm hiding. Okay.

Dan (01:57:04.000)

Mr. Jones? That's Mr. Jones. Oh, I

Jordan (01:57:08.000)

love it. Yeah, we're Yeah.

Dan (01:57:10.000)

Yeah, I mean, like all of these attempts to wiggle out of this, I just feel like have backfired for him and made it worse.

Jordan (01:57:17.000)

Do you know what the craziest thing the craziest moment because whenever I went back through all of the stuff that I have written, yeah, there were so many moments that I really that you do just lose because it's absolute nonstop insanity. But the craziest one was on Tuesday, day two or day one of the trial proper, you know, the day after jury selection, opening statement. Yeah, in the middle of one of the breaks, Alex is talking to the HBO documentarian on stream and at one point, he does say, they don't have my texts. How crazy is that? How fucking wild is that? That was the wildest thing like going back. I was like, That can't be real. And I checked in. It's, it's

Dan (01:58:01.000)

crazy. Well, again, we have to make the point that could have been talking about other texts. No, no, no. Yeah. Your tweets may or may not depict reality? They absolutely do not. So yeah. Who knows if that conversation even happened or you imagined Fair enough. Fair enough. So Alex has now said that he searched his phone source and didn't find these things. Right. And so Mark has to inform him that Hey, buddy, you may have just committed perjury. That's not good.

Mark Bankston (01:58:30.000)

Mr. Jones, in discovery, you were asked, Do you have changed hook text messages on your phone? And you've said no, correct. You said that under oath.

Alex Jones (01:58:45.000)

I was mistaken. I was mistaken. But you've got the messages right there.

Mark Bankston (01:58:48.000)

You know. I just want to make sure you know, before we go any further you know what it is?

Alex Jones (01:58:54.000)

Yes, I do. I mean, I'm not a tech guy. I told you I gave my testimony, the phone to the lawyers before, whatever. And so you've got my phone, but we didn't give it to

Mark Bankston (01:59:03.000)

you. Now. Mr. Jones. One more time. Please remember, you need to ascertain Fifth Amendment. I need to know you can do that. But you testified under oath previously, that you personally searched your phone for the phrase Sandy Hook. And there were no messages. You said that under oath.

Alex Jones (01:59:22.000)

Yes. And no, I did not lie.

Jordan (01:59:25.000)

Boo. Oops. Ouch. When you say something that is then later found out to be not true. Right? You and you knew that it was not true. Right? Because it was you who said you did it. And you didn't know what does that called?

Dan (01:59:42.000)

Not good, huh? Yeah. It turns out also applies to his emails. Oh.

Alex Jones (01:59:49.000)

I quit opening email and using it. For Sandy Hook.

Mark Bankston (01:59:54.000)

Okay. So, in other words, if somebody was to tell me Oh, I have emails from Mr. Jones that he wrote About this case and the past couple of years, that person behind, you're telling the truth.

Alex Jones (02:00:05.000)

Somebody else has got my Infowars email because I haven't been using it.

Mark Bankston (02:00:08.000)

And that's not qualified. You know, in this case, you were asked to produce your emails and emails you had about Sanyo. You know, you were asked to do that. Right? Yeah. You said he didn't have any.

Alex Jones (02:00:20.000)

I told my team people go, you've got all that stuff.

Mark Bankston (02:00:23.000)

Mr. Jones, I'm saying in deposition, under oath, sworn to God. You said you don't have any emails or Sandy Hook? Because you don't use email? Right?

Alex Jones (02:00:34.000)

I mean, I think I have I haven't been using Infowars email. It's got to be a decade or longer in my memory. With infowars.com email,

Mark Bankston (02:00:46.000)

no, no, not what

Dan (02:00:49.000)

he keeps trying to bring it back to Infowars email, as opposed to another email thing. And what Mark is doing is very clearly trying to establish like, you lied again, because I have an email. Well, but like the the attempt to wiggle out of it is just the constantly bringing up Infowars emails. And it's just not it's not gonna help

Jordan (02:01:12.000)

earlier in the trial. Reynald try. It had been talking to Daria as the corporate representative that he objected to. And then talk to her as the corporate representative. He had said, like, Alex doesn't have an email address, right? And she was like, Oh, if when he did, he'd get 100 million 1000 emails a day. So he got rid of it as though that would be later the excuse for when now happens? Yeah. How did it go? Not? Well,

Dan (02:01:40.000)

not not the best. So we go back to the text messages. Now, we've already illustrated that. Paul had texted with Alex, and told him this is Sandy Hook all over again, I get it is the response. And now there's some other texts here from Tim through Jay, who's the business manager, right of Info Wars. And so here's how this goes.

Mark Bankston (02:02:05.000)

This has been marked as plaintiffs exhibit 132. Do you see that? Yes, those are text messages of Tim for j, the operations manager of info org, right. Yes. And we requested information about your revenues. In this case. You remember that? Yes. Give us this? Did you put a lot of stuff? You didn't even look through your text messages? Mr. Jones, you hit him? Right? Correct.

Alex Jones (02:02:28.000)

No, I gave it to the lawyers. That's why you'd have it. This is ridiculous.

Mark Bankston (02:02:34.000)

Finest isn't 1/3. To me, most thing to admit. Yes. Can we know? Yes. I'm sorry. Can we move to midplane? This 132 with

Judge Maya Gamble (02:02:42.000)

any objection? Thing is 132 is admitted. For we

Mark Bankston (02:02:53.000)

put that up. Mr. Johnson, I just want to make sure you understand something about these emails. You understand that when your attorney sent me your whole phone? He didn't mean to do you understand objection? Your Honor. This is not discovery? Well, I

Unknown Speaker (02:03:07.000)

do think it's important that since we're discussing this, that the jury understands discovery is a process that occurs and concludes well before trial. What the lawyers say is of evidence. So we don't know whether it was on accident or on purpose. Yeah, we do know, you don't have evidence about that. But what we do know is that it wasn't properly turned over when it should have been. There's no question Mr. Gowens. Go.

Dan (02:03:44.000)

Okay. So there is a fair? Objection there. Yes. Because you're asserting that he did this accidentally true. Nick can't prove can't do that. I mean, kind of, but what you have is texts about finances that are like, here's the numbers for this day. And then Alex just didn't turn those over. Right. That's real bad.

Jordan (02:04:09.000)

It does appear that I do think I do think there's an argument to be made that you can say that he didn't mean to do it. Because the Raynal did email back like, Please disregard. Yeah. Which isn't legally. It doesn't

Dan (02:04:23.000)

mean anything. But Mark hasn't introduced that. That's true. Sorry. So he can't he can't do that now. Without without

Jordan (02:04:31.000)

doing Oh, then then the rain, I would object to privilege. Yeah, it would be a massive court

Dan (02:04:35.000)

is unaware of that email response. Right. So one of the things that's critical about the revelation of these texts is that they illustrate financial information that was demanded and ordered from Alex Wright that was not turned over, but more for my purposes. They also reveal that Alex is full of shit.

Mark Bankston (02:04:56.000)

Mr. Scrooge present a fresh set of eyes says that Mr. Trump's budget. Mr. J, you would agree with me that pretty much every day, he sends you an update on how much the store has sold. And sometimes he let you know how much profit you made. Right? Yes. Okay. And in this message, he says 110 gross sales and food equates to almost 70k pure profit. That's what he told me.

Alex Jones (02:05:26.000)

That's what that says. And that's that's not what it does. So it was I have a question about it.

Dan (02:05:35.000)

Okay, so look, this makes total sense. Yeah. Why? Like Alex has said that there's a 20 to 40% profit margin on the food. And like, do you just let that go? And you're like, Oh, yeah. Okay. I guess that makes sense. He's not paying anything for the food. It's not like he buys it from my Patriot supply and then sends it to people. He's not resale. No, he's essentially getting a cut of what they do. There is no overhead. No, it is all pure profit. Yep. So that also illustrates the the thing that Alex testified to earlier, which is that the 20 to 40% profit margin is a load of shit. Yeah, he didn't. 100% is no risk. No exposure on the food. Maybe things are different with the private labeling, maybe with his supplements and stuff. Sure. He has to buy a bunch and then resell it possible. But yeah, for the food. That's not the case it oh, I mean, they even did like drop shipping from the My Patriot supply facilities.

Jordan (02:06:36.000)

God, so I 70 case. So only 110 units is 70,000 and pure profit. Right. I

Dan (02:06:43.000)

think. I think that that probably is an unreliable statistic to like, universalize, because Oh, no, I wouldn't I wouldn't have a different sized buckets and things that they sell. So like, it's not a uniform commission. Sure. Sure. But yeah, even

Jordan (02:07:00.000)

even percentage of the total, but still is pretty sweet. Not a bad gig. Pretty sweet. Man. All you have to do is say stuff, and then they give you money.

Dan (02:07:09.000)

All you have to do is convince everyone that they won't get food tomorrow.

Jordan (02:07:13.000)

You're gonna die anyways.

Dan (02:07:16.000)

Yeah. So here is Marcus dismount.

Mark Bankston (02:07:19.000)

And then I think we saw your revenues from 20. So we saw a few months to 2015 on the beginning of that document, right. Do you remember that document you You relied on and testified about plaintiffs exhibit?

Alex Jones (02:07:32.000)

When I saw it? Yes.

Mark Bankston (02:07:35.000)

Okay. Not a couple of months from 2015 on it, but not a whole lot of sales on that, right. Totally Shut up. Okay. So we're mainly just talking about 2016 2018. Right, you remember that? 165 million. You remember testifying? And I know you testified about for profit margins. But I think we've seen that now that you're saying that that's gross. So that maybe doesn't mean you have to calculate what your profit is.

Judge Maya Gamble (02:08:03.000)

Or anything yes or no?

Mark Bankston (02:08:06.000)

Yes. After seeing all of that, all of those millions and millions, hundreds of millions. Are you aware that your attorney has already this? This is what you should pay for the damages that your company admits under oath here your corporate representative costs. Were you aware that your

Alex Jones (02:08:36.000)

Yes, I know we were Do you agree? Do I agree with it?

Mark Bankston (02:08:41.000)

$1. Is that we done? I'll pay for you. Are we done?

Alex Jones (02:08:46.000)

Wasn't your time to do for a lot about WMDs?

Mark Bankston (02:08:50.000)

I don't think there's any point in asking you any more questions.

Dan (02:08:54.000)

Slamming the door. Yep. I don't think there's any reason to ask you any more questions.

Jordan (02:08:59.000)

What a great way to just call it Yeah. Oh, so good.

Dan (02:09:03.000)

So yeah, you know, this is again, a little theatrical and as much as you pull out $1 And be like this is it this is what we're doing come hi

Jordan (02:09:12.000)

and give the man his moments. No, I'm fine

Dan (02:09:15.000)

in this context, but but Yeah, Alex can't answer that question. And then rain all as one question on redirect

Jordan (02:09:25.000)

this airy funny is so funny. Who?

Unknown Speaker (02:09:31.000)

You You've trusted your lawyers to produce the relevant documents. Yes. You cooperated with us in every way. Yes. He trusted us to do a good job and turnover will lead to turnover.

Alex Jones (02:09:44.000)

Yes. When we're supposed to turn it over. Yes. No further questions.

Dan (02:09:53.000)

And this is the end.

Jordan (02:09:56.000)

That is that is one situation where Alex did not realize that his lawyer was no longer working for him. His lawyer was working for right now. Yeah. Cover your ass. Yeah. Maybe Alex should have said no to all of those questions. Yeah.

Dan (02:10:11.000)

So this testimony took place over the course of Tuesday and Wednesday, yes, Tuesday afternoon, Wednesday morning. Then there's closing statements. And then we get the revelation on Thursday. That Alex, is it with the compensatory damages of 4.1 million. And as this news breaks, it is past the point that Alex is on air. And so Owen is hosting the War Room at this point. Complaining about I don't know, the Chinese. Sure, probably that sounds right. And so here's him discussing that the the judgment has come in.

Owen Shroyer (02:10:52.000)

A lot of people are tuned in right now, because the news is broke about the first verdict in the Sandy Hook case. And they got a $4 million judgment. Never had a trial by jury judge just decided guilt. And now they got a $4 million verdict, which is, I mean, the they were shooting for 150 million, you know, because they got to line their pockets. I guess. Whoever's getting that money. I don't know where that money goes. Cheer on, that would absolve any emotional distress, but okay. So there might be a statement from Alex Jones soon. He might go live, he might pop in. I don't know. It's, it's we're on a titanic right now playing the violin. Okay. And well, it's good news. I've got all the news to cover. And that's what's so sad about it is, nobody else is gonna cover this news. It's only Infowars is gonna cover it. And now we won't be able to cover it. So just stay tuned. There will be a statement from Alex shortly.

Dan (02:11:56.000)

can't cover the news too busy playing violence.

Jordan (02:11:58.000)

That is such a funny, whiny way of just Oh, look. Now I can't even cover the news. See, now that Now who's

Dan (02:12:06.000)

the victim? Look what the Sandy Hook parents have done. They may be unable to cover what he's saying

Jordan (02:12:11.000)

is kind of what say, you know, like, look at what these people have done to me.

Dan (02:12:18.000)

And who knows where that money is going. What an ally trying to make suspicious. Yeah, sure. Of a lawsuit. And so he's right. Alex does pop in later show. So that's one thing Owens right about he's got he's winning in the talk show predictions drew race. Yeah. Second thing he's right about Alex was filming a statement before he came on. And so here is that we're gonna go to that. Right away,

Alex Jones (02:12:44.000)

the Democratic Party, the entire corporate media lined up against Infowars. And the American people's free speech, the judge more than 20 times, in the last week and a half in Austin, Texas, told the jury while I was there, in the courtroom, and it was on national TV that Alex Jones is guilty. The lawyers for the plaintiffs asked for between 150 million and $3 billion. When the jury came in this evening, with $4.2 million. I admitted I was wrong. I admitted I made a mistake. I admitted that I follow this information, but not on purpose. I apologize the families. And the jury understood that what I did to those families was wrong. But I didn't do it on purpose. I didn't lie about WMDs. In Iraq, God is a people on purpose. I questioned the public event, because I saw anomalies and other saw anomalies. And the jury understood that an audit $4.2 million. Now that's more money than my company. And I personally have, but we are going to work on trying to make restitution there. Oh, what

Dan (02:14:00.000)

a great guy. Wow. So I think the 3 billion number is meant to make the judgment look even smaller. I was trying to figure out where they came from. And I think it's the sales figures that Mark showed from the text messages that fu J was sending. Okay, during CPAC. They were like it was like, what? $800,000 a day. Yeah. And so this extrapolated out to like 300 million in a year, or 20 years over 10 years. Sandy Hook. Sure. I think that that's what Alec like they I don't even remember if Mark made any statement of 3 billion, right, but it's like, okay, you made $300 million a year 10 years since the rate may in theory. $3 billion. Yeah, since then. I think that's where Alex may be taking that number from but I'd never heard that as like, what he shouldn't be penalized. Yeah,

Jordan (02:14:52.000)

I really, really, really, really wish that the way that that amount of money was reported. It was a based on why it was chosen. Yeah. Like, the 24% of Americans is 75 million Americans. So the idea is $1. For each American, there's a symbolism, yeah. But it kept going back to like, oh, they want money, oh, they want money, or it was about how huge the sum was. If they really just like, listen, the Sandy Hook families believe that they that because of Alex, Alex owes them $1, for person that believes that they're a liar. You know, that makes sense to me. And it also makes it feel like the judgment isn't that high? Because if you'd said that they owe $10 per person, I wouldn't think that that's a huge judgment. And that's $1.5 billion. True. So there's that.

Dan (02:15:47.000)

And the other the other aspect of it, too, is like, you know, you don't start a negotiation low. Oh, of course. Oh, absolutely not. You know, it's a number that you don't necessarily expect you're going to get Sure. And then the misunderstanding of the symbolism. I agree with you that could have been

Jordan (02:16:03.000)

the symbolism was what was really important about the money and not the money. Yeah. And that's what was so frustrating.

Dan (02:16:09.000)

Yeah, yeah. So Alex's statement goes on.

Alex Jones (02:16:13.000)

Now, here's the next phase of this. When the judge realized that when I was on the stand, I woke that jury up and laid out the facts she ruled today, of course, he did punitive damage face that starts tomorrow, I cannot testify. And my lawyer cannot put on evidence. So she already found me guilty, and told the jury, I was guilty. And now she's saying we can't defend ourselves in the punitive damages face, I trusted God, I trusted the truth coming out.

Dan (02:16:48.000)

So this just isn't true. Retinol gave a defense in the punitive phase of the trial just as WestEd. For the plaintiffs, the DIA defense wasn't able to call any witnesses because the purpose of that phase of the trial was to determine net worth of both Alex and free speech systems. And after repeatedly failing to provide order documents and repeatedly sending in incompetent corporate representatives, the judge sanctioned Alex's defense by disallowing him from being able to participate in the net worth discussion at this point. Essentially, this is not a silencing or an instance of Alex being jammed up. It's just another case of him not doing the bare minimum he was required to do in the discovery phase of the case. And now it's too late for him to pretend he wants to be involved. Plus, Alex violated the rules on multiple occasions the prior day, including lying to the jury by saying he was bankrupt. So on that count alone, he should not be able to be a witness in this part of the case, he lied. Under oath, nothing that he said can really be accepted as credible. So his evidentiary value is zero unless he were to have produced the documents backing up what he says. Which brings us to the next problem. One of the primary things that was brought up as it relates to his text being disclosed was the messages from Tim fu J, which discuss detailed breakdowns of sales numbers. These numbers did not match the revenue numbers that Alex has claimed. And even more importantly, the existence of these texts, which are not turned over and discovery reveal an attempt to hide information relevant to the determination of net worth and the company's value. There are three major reasons that Alex is not being allowed to be a part of this phase of the trial, and it has nothing to do with the Democratic Party or conspiracy against him. It's the simple consequences of his stupid actions, you can probably get the basic tone of this announcement already. It's Alex taking this $4 million dollar judgment quite in stride because it's much lower than he was probably fearing. His tone is essentially no different than when he's gotten other bad news in the past, where he's using it as an opportunity to fundraise off of it, more or less trying to get the audience to flip the bill for him. So he can remain insulated from the consequences of his actions. It's pathetic, but it's what you'd expect, because he's always been able to do this before, whether it's his dad paying for the medical bills that Katie almost killed, or his dad buying advertising on his show. So a radio station would air him early on over the audience donating to his suspiciously timed money bombs, or this suspiciously timed $8 million Bitcoin donation. Alex has always had people to bail him out of the trouble of his stupid actions. And he probably thinks based on this $4 million figure, there's just gonna be another in that series. Yeah. And there's very little reason for him not to think that right?

Jordan (02:19:28.000)

Yeah. I mean, if if it were me, in Alex's shoes, I would have received that judgment as a massive victory. But that's only because if it's me and Alex issues, I'm much like Alex have forgotten that there are more trials coming. I have completely forgotten that means more judgments are coming as well. True. So I am I'm overjoyed. I'm announcing my victory over the Democratic Party. It's a thrill because until the midterms could have been worse. Yeah, it could have been worse. CES. Yeah.

Dan (02:20:01.000)

So yeah, the plaintiffs lawyers though, they were not happy about this. They don't like that Alex one.

Alex Jones (02:20:07.000)

At the other day, I don't have all these millions of dollars they claim I have. So I'm at peace. But this is still a major victory for truth. And the plaintiffs lawyers got upset in the courtroom. And according to multiple witnesses, were screaming and yelling at my lawyers, Joe, and Dino, when they were in the hall, they thought they would get hundreds of millions of dollars, we don't have, they thought they would shut us down. But that jury understood the truth and resisted the propaganda.

Dan (02:20:40.000)

This does not at all match my experience with the plaintiff's lawyers. I mean, I don't know. I don't know who these two sources Alex has been. There Lieutenant Colonel's probably

Jordan (02:20:52.000)

it is it is this exact video, that it should be played further in the other trials, just because this was after the judgment? Yeah. If you think that damages are going to make him stop, and he can still be in business. That is not how this works. He's in there, and he is doing his shit. Or he's out. There is no getting him to moderate.

Dan (02:21:17.000)

Yeah. But I think that's difficult, too. I think you and I can say that showing that in a legal setting, I think is

Jordan (02:21:24.000)

well, it presupposes that you know, 100% the future, which you can't do in a courtroom, I assume.

Dan (02:21:30.000)

Right. But it also presupposes that like, it is appropriate to be like, I want to bankrupt him as a punishment. And I don't know if that is necessarily I mean, healthy

Jordan (02:21:42.000)

it is. But it's not like I mean, I feel like this is so important. It is not that. But it is not your script. Well, I understand bankruptcy. I mean, I mean, this way, if the points of the trial, if the point of the damages is to punish someone to get them to stop their behavior, right. And this is what they do after that judgment, then it's not about money at that point, it has to be how do we make this behavior stop. So I don't care if the judgment is 10 gajillion. dollars, or it's literally just a guy going like, Hey, listen, you got to turn the lights off. That's that's just what's got to happen. It's not about the money kind of thing. You know, and I just

Dan (02:22:23.000)

think it's difficult to translate that from what I think you're saying that makes total sense in this conversation right to a courtroom. I think that's a challenge impossible. And it's also incredibly difficult because, you know, when you have something like this happens, it's just an opportunity for Alex to trick his audience into being a Mormon money.

Alex Jones (02:22:44.000)

Listen, we're in bankruptcy right now. Let's we're maxed out isn't crew employed. We are fighting hard for your first amendment, your Second Amendment, your 10th. Amendment, your sovereignty, not your court want to keep us in the fight. We have a plan to stay on air. Through this bankruptcy, we have a reorganization plan. But if you don't fund us, if you don't buy products at Infowars, store.com, we will shut down. It's your decision, just like that jury had a decision right now, or whether Infowars is going to stay on the air. We are so broke, that I'm not even worried about that $4.2 million. I'm worried about our bankruptcy to emergency stabilize Infowars. And we have a plan. But to do that we need support. So get a t shirt, get a book, get a film or

Dan (02:23:32.000)

get some of my supplements that under oath has been proven to be great.

Jordan (02:23:36.000)

Wild, just wild Shamp.

Dan (02:23:39.000)

I mean, but what do you expect? It's exactly what you'd expect. Yep. Now what I didn't expect was that is for this announcement that Alex makes to go the direction it does, because when there's a direction to go from there, yes. Oh, God, he starts talking about Neil and Scarlett.

Jordan (02:23:55.000)

No, what? No, no, no.

Dan (02:23:57.000)

Mike, Mike, oh, my god,

Alex Jones (02:24:00.000)

get them all at Infowars store.com. And keep us on the air. That is so critical, because they use these families as pawns. The families come over and shook my hand and hugged me and really woke up the fact that they'd been manipulated, and their own lawyers when they were dogs. Get over there and stop talking to him on video. I was wrong. Sandy Hook happened. I admit it happened. I'm proud of that it happened because when I'm wrong, I admit it. I don't make mistakes on purpose. Were tomorrow's news today. Were 95% accurate. But these people tried to misrepresent what I said to these families. They showed them edited videos. They show the jury edited videos, and it backfired in their face big

Dan (02:24:44.000)

time. Yeah. So he's creating this perception that like, Neil and Scarlett are info warriors now. Yeah, yeah. So they woke up to the fact that their lawyers were manipulating Yeah, this case. Yeah,

Jordan (02:24:59.000)

I realized that my car comments about the previous clips had come too soon. And I would like to reiterate them about that clip, but like twice as much. Yeah,

Dan (02:25:06.000)

yeah, it's bad. Yeah,

Jordan (02:25:07.000)

that's fucked up. Yeah,

Dan (02:25:08.000)

it's bad. And it's evil. This is no, it

Jordan (02:25:11.000)

can't get worse it does. Oh god,

Alex Jones (02:25:13.000)

I told my lawyer told that jury, I said, Listen, we want to pay for their psychological stuff. We want to take care of problems. We didn't cause all of it, we want to step up and prove that and do that. At Scarlet Lewis has a beautiful organization called choose love that isn't about gun control is about liberal conservative. It's about teaching children love and compassion. So they're not hateful. So they're not satanic. So don't kill people. And I have invited Scarlet Lewis on my show. We're gonna email organization. If I see her tomorrow, you're the punitive face, I'm gonna shake your hand and give her my number. And I am going to gladly have her on my show next week, and I'm going to raise money for her organization on top of the big judgment, because she's a real lady, she lost her child. And I'm not going to let these people misrepresent what I said and did anymore, and claim that I'm a sandy hook man. This is a beautiful time. It's a great time. And the trial lawyers, the ambulance chasers lost America and the First Amendment One. And the poor parents that went through so much, Neil Haslund and Scarlet Lewis, they have won as well. So this is a big victory and answer your prayer. Thank you so much the viewers and listeners, or continue on as long as you support us, we were so close to being shut down. So please support us. So we can have Scarlet Lewis, and he'll Haslund on I'm going to take them out to dinner. Their lawyers are going to try to stop them. I mean, I literally yesterday saw them, kneel, try to follow me out. He shook my hand. He goes, Hey, buddy, I want to talk to you. I said, Yes, sir. Please come out. Their lawyer said, get over here to him. I'll never talk to them like a dog. I'll see you tomorrow on the Friday show. Who

Dan (02:26:56.000)

stains to hear Alex say that he and his lawyers said they wanted to pay Neil and Scarlets medical expenses and such because I was in the courtroom during right now his opening statement where he asked the jury to return a judgment of $1 in damages.

Jordan (02:27:08.000)

I do recall he asked the jury he held $1 up it

Dan (02:27:11.000)

was it was a callback. Yes. Yeah. Closing statement in cross examination. Yeah, Alex is such a disgusting liar. And this is just an attempt on his part to exploit his audience's obvious lack of awareness of what's actually happening in the trial. Scarlett wanted to hug Alex and realize he was being used by the lawyers. He told the jury he wanted to pay their expenses. All this is complete shit. And more importantly, Alex knows fully well that he's just lying to his audience. So they keep giving him money. And then also like the Scarlet has a great organization. His corporate representative Daria, under oath testified that she suspects that it's a front. Yep. Also, this is Alex's attempt to portray himself as the good guy, which is all based in bullshit. Further, he's putting Neil and Scarlet into a trap, where he's casting them as characters in his personal image rehabilitation. As far as the audience is concerned, they either get to play along and act how Alex is setting them up to which they aren't going to do or they'll be seen suspiciously by the audience all over again. Why aren't they speaking out in support of Alex after they realized that they were being used by the lawyers to attack the First Amendment? Maybe the evil lawyers won't let them? Or maybe they just said that to Alex to pacify him during the trial, and they actually are in league with the deep state Democrat lawyers after all, come to think of it, that would mean that they would have to put on a pretty good performance to trick Alex of all people. What if these people are actors after all, maybe that's not the direction it would necessarily go but Alex is forcing Neil and Scarlett to exist in terms of his bullshit show into the future because creating these fictitious pictures of them is helpful in terms of making Alex feel better about himself. What he really should be doing is leaving them the fuck alone which they've wanted all along. But Alex is kind of like a child who's broken something and then is trying to clean it up but he doesn't know how to clean so in the process, he ends up breaking more stuff. You just want them to stop trying to help because they're not helping him they're just making things worse, but they're a dumb kid and they don't get that he's kind of like that kid except he broke that original thing on purpose he claims that he didn't and then he's breaking other stuff to distract from the messy initially made it's like a sociopathic version of that kid who broke something Yeah, he's a fucking asshole.

Jordan (02:29:25.000)

Yeah, that's that's so fucked. That's but that's another part of the a amorphous blob of denying Sandy Hook. That's it now. I get it. I say Sandy Hook is 100% real, because I've changed the goalposts to now the lawyers are manipulating these people. That is just the same thing. It's all one big thing. It's not that he denied Sandy Hook happened. It's that Sandy Hook is part of whatever it is he

Dan (02:29:52.000)

wants you understand that? That is exactly the model you have you have you have to play the full clip. Absolutely. The full clip. Oh, I Need a timeline? The timeline, there's gonna be another excuse. And even like, think about it in terms of world events like you have this lead up to the 2016 election. It's like we need need to get Trump in because if you have a Democrat in Oh, it's so bad. Trump gets in Oh, no, there's enemies within the deep state is.

Jordan (02:30:16.000)

That's why everything sucks. Yeah,

Dan (02:30:19.000)

it's always something else. The conspiracy and the narrative has to shift because that is where the money is. Right? That is where the ability to keep his audience interested is that like, oh, we won, or Oh, I was actually wrong. Let's move on. Right doesn't play. There isn't an angle. He's just a coward. Well, yeah, that too. Yeah. So he does have the balls to show up on the the War Room. Oh, boy, hard hitting interview with him.

Jordan (02:30:51.000)

It's time It's time he had an adversarial conversation with the press.

Dan (02:30:55.000)

He might have an adversarial conversation with Oh, and once paychecks stopped clearing, but it'd be a good time to start for now. It's friendly. So Alex has recorded this announcement and statement and he comes on with Oh, and and a lot of it is kind of rehashing some of the same stuff. But he has some other things that he says that I think are really shitty.

Owen Shroyer (02:31:15.000)

Well, I might be going down with Titanic. But I get the first exclusive interview with Alex Jones. Violin baby person on Earth right now. No, no Very good. News about COVID being made in the lab? No, not because he covered Jeffrey Epstein while everyone else was covering it up. No, not because he told you about the globalist corporate world government with carbon taxes. But no, because they think they've destroyed him now. And the lies get to permeate on Twitter. But Alex, you're not allowed on there to defend yourself.

Alex Jones (02:31:43.000)

That's right. And here we are. The jury came in on the big verdict 10s of millions spent by the Democratic Party law firms. And the jury came in at 4.2 million. When they asked for 150,000,002 days ago, 3 million yesterday. I don't have $2 million in the bank or anywhere.

Dan (02:32:03.000)

Seems like a bland version of triumph for him. You know, he's there's a victory to it. But it's also bar. Right. Also, they they didn't spend 10s of millions on that no case. So I guess but the you need to think that because then you when they're down 10 mil I'm down 4 million. Sure. But they're down so much. Trying to get me. Right. And yeah, that's that's the perception that Alex wants? And I don't think that has any bearing on reality. Yeah,

Jordan (02:32:29.000)

Alex can't be like, listen, the law firm that they're specifically went through. The lead plaintiff's attorney said that He only eats what he kills. So obviously they spent Yeah, yeah.

Dan (02:32:42.000)

So it's a low verdict, according to Alex on war room.

Alex Jones (02:32:46.000)

The good news is it's very low verdict for what they're asking for. The bad news is we don't have the money to pay for it, we can get a bond and appeal it, we're going to bid for it. That's why I explained the letters you want to see the War Room, or you want to see Alex Jones, or you want to see Harrison Smith, or you want to see just everybody. Everybody else, if you want to see what we're doing here, we need your support at Infowars store.com. And I was going to testify tomorrow, which under Texas law, in punitive damages, you're supposed to have the person under attack testify. The judge ruled after the ruling today, when they got that low ruling sounds like a lot for the average person, it is a lot. But for what they're asking for, it's small that I cannot speak tomorrow. And my lawyer cannot put on evidence because we're defaulted. So she gets more and more desperate. And she rigged this whole thing.

Dan (02:33:33.000)

So it's rigged, but no matter what the judgment was, he would not be allowed to participate and has no bearing on any of that.

Jordan (02:33:40.000)

I mean, you just can't commit perjury one day and then still come back the next day. ticularly

Dan (02:33:45.000)

about financial stuff. Yeah, but even so like the the sanctions in terms of the you know, the default judgment. Like he a big part of it is not cooperating with this stuff. There was a time to provide that evidence. Yeah. And he very much didn't, and was given multiple opportunities to clear that up and fix that. You didn't you don't just get to like, swoop in and be like, Haha, yeah. Now I will reveal every Yeah, you don't. That's not how this works.

Jordan (02:34:17.000)

Yeah, it is. It's, it's that example of, you're never going to win. You know, like with Alex. Yeah, he lives in a reality where he always wins. Yeah. So you're never going to get him to be like, Oh, you're right. I fucked up, you know, in a way that means anything's too threatening. Exactly. So he just switches into a different world. And if he's guilty in this world, he's gonna switch into a different a different one.

Dan (02:34:41.000)

Yeah, it's crazy that the MCU but it's bullshit. Yeah. So obviously, this is all just trying to get money. And Alex thought he'd be making more money, honestly, and he's a little disappointed. But I'll

Alex Jones (02:34:55.000)

tell you. I don't say this. Mainly the crew. Were in bankruptcy. Right? Now, and I thought in bankruptcy, we could bring in the money we needed right now we're not. So it's a Pyrrhic victory if you don't fund Infowars store.com. Order a book or a film, get body's ultimate Tumeric formula, get Vitamineral fusion, get all the great products and Info Wars you've invested so much in us. We've invested you are in this together over the last 28 years on air now is the critical juncture in the fight. Now is the last few minutes of the basketball game, or the football game where everybody is, is is in a tie in a dead heat now is the big boy pants time. Now is the time to decide where you're at. You got my commitment. I'll never back down. I'll never surrender. I'll never go away. But I could give out please support us@infowars.com

Dan (02:35:49.000)

is once again big boy pants time.

Jordan (02:35:54.000)

It's big boy pants time.

Dan (02:35:56.000)

I regret to inform you. It is big boy pants time.

Jordan (02:35:58.000)

I wish it was burger boy. Pants time. Nick

Dan (02:36:01.000)

wagger. Yeah, sure. Oh, boy, that meme. Someone made. Straw. I struggled with it.

Jordan (02:36:10.000)

Because it's a little unfair. It's a little unfair. But then

Dan (02:36:13.000)

also think about it like, you know you're the nick in the Doughboys comparison shop our picture of us on rival sources, right? You're married next married? Okay, I am Mitch. I have a cat. Mitch has cats. Okay, squinty eyes both of us have squinty eyes. I grew up in Boston for a while. He's from Queensland. I did not know there. There were this many similarities. There are more than I'm comfortable with it. I didn't realize I did not even did none of this even occurred to me. Do you like hot salad?

Jordan (02:36:44.000)

I've never honestly, I have no Doughboys references whatsoever. I didn't know whenever people whenever that meat thing came out. I was like, I really don't know who Nick and Mitch are. I was like, wait,

Dan (02:36:56.000)

I love Doughboys Yeah, I would honestly, if they want me to come on. I'm available. But yeah, the only thing that you know, obviously there's some nuances here and there. But I do not think that cakes are pies.

Jordan (02:37:10.000)

I was like, I don't have I haven't shaved in a while. That was my reaction to that picture.

Dan (02:37:16.000)

I'm sorry. Cupcakes.

Jordan (02:37:19.000)

That's that is not a pie. No, until the day I die. That is not a pie.

Dan (02:37:23.000)

No. Um, so yeah, that threw me for one anyway. big boy pants time. big boy pants. So in this interview that Alex is doing on the war room, he frames the why people are mad about him but Sandy Hook in a particular way.

Owen Shroyer (02:37:41.000)

Let's correct the record on a couple of things here. Alex. The media today says Alex Jones concede Sandy Hook happened. I believe he did that six years ago.

Alex Jones (02:37:51.000)

We barely covered Sandy Hook less than 1/10 of one time. But when Hillary ran against Trump, she dredged up things take your question. And there was some anomalies, but it turned out it probably I mean, I believe it had happened. So the

Dan (02:38:04.000)

whole thing about why people are mad about Sandy Hook is just because it Hillary needed to attack Trump about something and Alex was easy. You may remember this as the entire framing device of how Sandy Hook is covered in Alex's war, this shitty documentary made by Alex Lee Moyer. And I think that you see how patently absurd this is and how easily tricked she was as a filmmaker.

Jordan (02:38:33.000)

Yeah, I mean, that is that's that's a moment where you either gotta go, I'm going to be 100% complicit in this Eva Braun or you have to go I might be shitty at my job.

Dan (02:38:44.000)

Oops. Yep. So let's not dwell too much on this because we already did that episode. And I was blocked and then unblocked by their Twitter, not worry about it, not doing anything. Respond to him at all. I

Jordan (02:38:58.000)

have no idea what happened. Yeah. Anyway, yeah.

Dan (02:39:02.000)

There's something really terrible about the way Alex proceeds to the end of this episode. In that special report announcement thing he did. You know, there's a characterization of scarlet Niall, and it's unfair. Yeah, it's inappropriate. But what Alex does, now is worse.

Alex Jones (02:39:21.000)

I am very thankful to God very thankful listeners. And I want to invite our Lewis who doesn't have a gun control group. She has a group about children learning love and empathy and helping children that are beat up and helping people that are being bullied so they don't become this. I totally support her grip, choose love. She came over shook my hand gave me a hug repeatedly. And I told her regardless of this ruling, I want her on air. So tomorrow, I'm barred from speaking at the trial, but I'm gonna go with a letter I'm gonna write tonight. I'm going to hand it to her and Adil Aslan, who were very sweet people. I I didn't watch them on purpose. I didn't try to hurt them. Well, Once I met them I saw God these are totally real people I was I was brought into stuff it was was good to question things, but

Owen Shroyer (02:40:06.000)

you never even said their name. I said husband's name one time covering the Megyn Kelly interview, but that was

Alex Jones (02:40:10.000)

it. But But still, I do believe that they had some pains.

Dan (02:40:14.000)

This is harassment like that Alex is planning on air.

Jordan (02:40:18.000)

This isn't Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, this is like damn, but donde

Dan (02:40:23.000)

their lawyers don't want me to talk to them. So I'm gonna write a letter and slip it to them. So I can invade their space.

Jordan (02:40:32.000)

I'm going to go to their house when their lawyers aren't there. And I'm going to slide this letter underneath their doorstep. You know, like a sane person who's not harassing people would do, right. Wow.

Dan (02:40:42.000)

So anyway, Scarlet. Jesus Christ in particular, Alex seems to be wanting to paint as his new best friend. This is just awful,

Alex Jones (02:40:51.000)

Judy. I did the morning show. For an hour you came in and took over. And I said, I believe she's a real person. I believe he's real. I believe they're manipulating them. And I'm sorry, it was a 10 minute rant. They cut it down to a minute with me saying it didn't happen. That's why the video was so blurry. You couldn't understand it was all blurry it was you couldn't even see me really it was just audio. Oh my god. And I almost and I said, Scarlett, go to the fourth segment, go to 40 go to 33. After my show today on stand. I said watch it. I said your reel. I said your son's reel. Whoever gave that to us a liar. She got up and left came back an hour later crying and was like who? Is she gonna be here? Right? I know. So so we broke through that they're being handled and manipulated. This was at the lawyer's then giving them edited video where she said on stand, I was given it by my supporters. So the point is they gave her a minute edited video. Imagine the sickos I'm on everything. I believe your reel. I believe your son died. I'm so sorry. I want to work with you. And I believe that your ex husband, son died and he's a great guy. I think they manipulated him. I think he's kind of simple, not dumb, smart, but very trusting. He's like a, I know he's a rodeo guy. He's a he's a cowboy, which are not dumb. They're just really trusting nice people. I have family like that.

Dan (02:42:13.000)

So she apparently went and watched the full video that Alex was referring her to the she wept, and then told Alex that she gets it and she's being used by these lawyers. I fucked up.

Jordan (02:42:29.000)

I genuinely, genuinely think she should sue for defamation. Like, I mean, I don't know what else to say about that. That is defaming? You might I would I would take that as defaming a character. I really would. Yeah, I really would take the idea of you claiming that she a person who I fucking don't deserve to be anywhere near her. She's so strong and powerful and amazing. To claim that she is your friend, Alex Jones is so fucked up.

Dan (02:43:01.000)

Yeah, so fucked up. I think that one of the, you know, central things about what makes this soap like the experience so painful is that you're being like, as the parents of this child who was killed, you're being deprived of your ability to experience your life on your own terms. Someone else is creating a caricature of you. And it's deeply painful. And Alex is doing it again. Yeah. So here's

Jordan (02:43:29.000)

here's what happened. Alex created a diorama and then dropped it around them and trapped it in there for years for years. And they finally fucking got out of it. So Alex is just building a different diorama that he's trying to trap them with.

Dan (02:43:44.000)

Yep. And here's our last clip. For our episode for today. And I don't know, this is like, I have no I have no words for this. This is so unacceptable.

Alex Jones (02:43:58.000)

I mean, they are they are desperate. And then a later break. Husband said, Hey, buddy, I appreciate you. Thanks for admitting my sundown. I say Yes, sir. I tried to reach out and his lawyer went Get over here. Here's the clip right here, talk to him. Like that's one of the clubs, talk to him like a dog. So we're reaching out to them. We're going to Connecticut, we're meeting with them. We're supporting what they did. We're not going to be kept away from these families. And we're not going to be caught in the CIA, new old owner propaganda operations, not Sandy Hook. What's the media control? Oh, and

Owen Shroyer (02:44:31.000)

great job and we're going to stop school shooting still. With the Second Amendment.

Alex Jones (02:44:36.000)

That's right. God bless you.

Dan (02:44:38.000)

So obviously, when he says we're going to Connecticut that's about his other trial. Yeah. The Lafferty case Yeah. I think that saying we won't be kept from these families. is something that is so wrong. There Is that obviously the way he's trying to portray it is like me and the families are on the same side. And these evil lawyers are trying to keep us apart because of the power that we could have together in this unity and love and all this, which is nonsense. But the the real world, the place where the real world intersects with this bullshit is exactly the same kind of harassing behaviors, encouraging those from the audience. Because, you know, let's say that Scarlett or Neil or some of these other families don't behave in the way that you would expect based on Alex's rhetoric. Well, you should go talk to him. Why aren't they? If they're not allowed to? Well, these lawyers are keeping them from you. You got to know it, it lends itself towards encouraging harassment. And I, you know, beyond anything that, you know, we talked about in terms of the lawsuit. This response is, I mean, I agree with you as someone who has no legal background at all, I think this should be a cause for another action. Yeah, honest.

Jordan (02:46:05.000)

Absolutely.

Dan (02:46:06.000)

I don't

Jordan (02:46:08.000)

I because for God, creating a mountain so big, he couldn't move it, writing, leave them the fuck alone on it, and then dropping it on Alex's head.

Dan (02:46:21.000)

Yeah, I think he just, I mean, look, I don't want to use the kids terms. But you got to take the L on this one, Alex. God, gotta just walk away.

Jordan (02:46:29.000)

Just leave them alone. Yes. Just leave them alone.

Dan (02:46:33.000)

I don't know what kind of bullshit game he's doing to try and save face or create. The enemy is these lawyers and not the families and now I'm best friends with them. But like, this is exploitation. I mean, it's abusive. It's disgusting. And it's the kind of behavior that lends itself towards his audience. not behaving in ways that you'd want.

Jordan (02:46:56.000)

I just, I just, I believe exactly that what he did was what he did. I believe it wholeheartedly. You knew it was gonna happen. That's exactly how it was gonna go. It wasn't going to be a hey, listen, I'm sorry. We're never going to talk about Sandy Hook again. It wasn't even it wouldn't even have been just a quick one. Like, hey, listen, judgment. Turns out, it was better than we hoped for. Frankly, I was fucking up. Let's not talk about Sandy Hook ever again, man. Honestly, honestly, I'm putting the words on the board, ver button.

Dan (02:47:27.000)

Now I am going to actually instead that's a great idea. But instead what I'm going to do what you're going to do, I am going to go for the challenge mode uno of life. And I'm going to try and pill the family that

Jordan (02:47:41.000)

is very experienced players only, but I've been doing this 20 years. All right. I guess if you want to go with a challenging mode? I don't know. Yeah. I haven't played Dark Souls in a long time. But it's pretty hard.

Dan (02:47:52.000)

Yeah, I found this deeply upsetting and offensive. Yeah. And that is why this is where we break for this episode. Because I don't know. I don't know how else to like really put a button and stress like that is what Alex did after the compensatory damages. Were is there and it sucks. He will never learn any lessons. Nope. He's a piece of shit. Yep. We'll be back. Indeed. We will. tomorrow with another episode how to wrapping this baby up. And also tomorrow. You can find us on the majority report. That's true.

Jordan (02:48:24.000)

So that'll be noon central. 1pm Eastern.

Dan (02:48:28.000)

Yes. Yeah. I don't. Yeah, I can't do time math. Yes, I can. I don't know why I said I couldn't. Anyway.

Jordan (02:48:37.000)

Um, what are you Dr. Todd on man

Dan (02:48:39.000)

tired. So we're back. But till then we've wept. We do. It's now it's right.com and we're on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight where we back Jordan but until then, Bob I'm Neil. I'm Leo MD ZX Clark. I am dreamy. Creamy. Summer is happening man eats my screen. And now here comes the Sex Robot.

Alex Jones (02:49:00.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.