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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, a knowledge fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, a knowledge fight.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed, we are, Dan.

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Super bowl.

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What?

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Dan?

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That's my new intro.

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That your new intro?

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I wouldn't mind that.

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That's better than Dan 2020 bullshit.

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We'll see.

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Dan.

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What?

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Quick question.

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What's up?

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Have you ever really fucked up at work?

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Like really, really fucked up at work?

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Yeah, I mean, there are tons of times.

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Yeah, but like really?

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I've been a terrible employee in a lot. I've been fired a lot in my younger days. Yeah. Yeah

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I remember the car wash. There's a there's a lot of

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Movie theater you were fired as a manager and then rehired as a manager. I was fired as a projectionist movie. No

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I'm not sure

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I think I quit when I was a

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Projectionist and then came back became a manager was fired at the time when I was just like an usher

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Right right box office all the same movie theater. I was hired and fired and quit there a lot of times over the years

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It was like a bad relationship

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We'll let you come on yeah, that was a I don't know I did screw up there a bit

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Nothing too terrible and a lot of the times the screw-ups are kind of manageable

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Right that immediately popped into my head was that like okay, so like in a popcorn popper

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You have this big cabinet thing that has the kettle that hangs down from the you know

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Yeah, and that pops the popcorn into the display thing where people see the popcorn, right?

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Mouth water you do the whole shovel it out, right?

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Underneath it in the cabinet is a giant thing full of oil

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But it has a little feed pump that goes up to the kettle press a button

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You know but of course you've got to refill that oil but actually because needs peanut oil in there

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no, and

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One time I don't remember if I was responsible for this or somebody else was but the bucket got kind of knocked over

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And there was just a small

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There's this oil all over the place and so everyone's slipping around trying to like get candy drinks for people

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That's pretty fun, but anyway. There's a podcast right I know I've screwed up a lot at work

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And I know a lot about Alex Jones, and I've screwed up plenty at work

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And I don't know anything about Alex Jones so Jordan today

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We got a I guess maybe this is an instance of me screwing up at work

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We got another sort of what I'm gonna call another minisode. Yeah

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Because we we set out for like there's so much going on in the world recovering this present-day stuff

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And so my plan we're recording this on

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Tuesday yes

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And my plan was to cover Tuesday's episode like what today's episode as we're recording for Wednesday

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And we turn around there was something that happened on Monday night. I don't know if you notice that was the Iowa caucus

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Yeah, there's you know. There's a lot going on in the world and you'd figure Alex Jones has

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Probably shit to say even if the Iowa caucus went off without

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Incident or any kind of trouble Alex would have some sort of bullshit to spin about it salute, and it's relevant. Yeah, or not

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If that and then you have the situation as it did unfold where there are a lot of questions

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spiraling around about the caucus and how

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No one's really sure who won even as we record right now

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It's kind of the most apropos thing that could possibly happen in 2020 to the Democratic

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It's literally like I was hearing that happen. I was like oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it was not

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It was not a oh my god. How could this happen? It was like yeah, that's that's right

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Yeah, there was a sense of like last night watching the coverage of it. Just like just a hoo boy come on

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Yep, come on guys guys guys

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So I figured that as it was watching it last night all of this stuff unfolding

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I was like Alex is gonna have a field day with this. This is going to be

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outrageous

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But then I tuned into the episode today in order to prepare our episode and Mike Adams and Owen Schroyer were hosting Alex was gone

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unreal totally the

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Abdication of responsibility on that one is staggering right? Just so it's clear like, you know, we're recording this on Tuesday and

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so it's last night was the Iowa caucuses in 2020 and

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We're not gonna talk too much about

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The that and we will probably on a future episode

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But sure the reality is that this is a podcast where we talk about Alex Jones's claims about things

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Yeah, and if Alex Jones doesn't have any claims that we can address about that caucus

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It seems like I don't I don't want to just do I don't want to be a news show where we get into everything

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That's going on. I need Alex to bounce off of yeah, then once he comes into studio and has some thoughts about things

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We can address them. But for now it might be disappointing but there's no hot takes

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About the present day

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Necessarily coming from me. Yeah, I mean, you know the the obvious take is

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A holy shit. Look at those dumb-dumbs. Whoa, what hot don't don't hot take don't do that hot

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Stop it during that take is scorching. Hey DNC knock it off

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So yeah, I I don't know. We'll get there when we get there, right?

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So I thought like okay Super Bowl was Sunday Alex probably could be mad about Shakira on Monday

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Sure, Paul Joseph Watson's hosting on Monday son of a bit granted. He is mad about Shakira. Jennifer Lopez can't help it, but I

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Don't care. No, it's certainly not. It's so like I'm not covering Paul Joseph Watson doing his boutique

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Culture concerned hell no tape show. So so Monday's out

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And we go to Sunday as I listen to a bit of Sunday and we'll talk a little bit about Sunday

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But then I decided I'm just gonna go far afield and find something to talk about

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and so what that's why today is a little bit of a grab bag got a little bit of Sunday and

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Second and then a little bit of something else

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But before we get down to that we could take a little moment Jordan say thank you to some folks who have signed up

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So Jordan, we're gonna start off on doing this a little bit from February 2nd this last Sunday

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I had tuned in and one of the things that's firstly of note is that Alex is recording not from studio

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he's sitting at a desk somewhere maybe a hotel room sure and the sound is atrocious and

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He gets it to the show and immediately. I was just like I have no time for this. I have no patience

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I'm getting very sick of this stuff ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us on this live Sunday broadcast

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I am on the road and

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We just have incredible breaking news that just went live that is a global exclusive in conjunction with naturalnews.com

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With Mike Adams, he's going to be co-hosting

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Coming up the second hour of myself and Tom Pappert

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He'll be the main host because I wanted to be able to really get to all this new evidence

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emerges coronavirus bioweapon

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Might have been a Chinese vaccine experiment gone wrong genes contain p-shuttle SN sequences

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proving laboratory origin

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Now, why is this so important? Well, it came out a few days ago

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zero head

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Reported on Indian newspapers on one of the most prestigious scientific medical research centers where they use computers similar to CRISPR to gene-edit

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And it just came out and said this is clearly had a bunch of other viruses welded in including the original HIV

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Now the control corporate media will come out and say oh, well, let's just dispute the paper

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They said zero hedge made it up basically

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okay, and then said that zero hedge had outed scientists and doctors by

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Writing an article about who'd published a paper. It's like, you know outing an NFL quarterback, you know, because you talk about him

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They're a public figure

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That's how they took because they can call anything harassment with big tech

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So, you know right away there's a big depression this this paper is

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prestigious it's prestigious, you know, I've always thought that there are two famous types of people there's NFL quarterbacks

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Yeah, absolutely. You think of Oh one-to-one comparison?

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Yeah

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So I tuned this in and I was like I am fucking so sick and tired of us doing these episodes that have just too

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Much about this coronavirus stuff. Yeah, it's all very desperate on Alex's part

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You can just see like how badly he wants this to be like a narrative that blossoms for him

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And it's just not I'm very tired of it

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It's not happening, but in that clip Alex does bring up two things that I think deserve attention

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The first is that scientific paper that he mentioned and the second is zero hedge

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So on January 31st 2020, I'm Dan. This is 2020

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Researchers at the Indian Institute of Technology in New Delhi published a paper on a website called bio

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rxiv titled quote uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the

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2019 novel coronavirus spike protein to HIV one GP 120 and GAG

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One thing that's important to point out which Alex and Mike Adams seem to not want to discuss is what this website bar bio

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Rxiv actually is it's a preprint server where researchers and scientists can post papers that have not been vetted in any way

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the issue is that peer reviewing can be a long process where a reputable journal is unwilling to publish something without really going over it and

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Making sure that what they're printing is up to their standards

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That's where preprint servers can come in handy from bio rxiv's website quote because this process can be lengthy

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authors use the bio rxiv service to make their manuscripts available as preprints before completing peer review and

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Consequence certification by a journal this allows other scientists to see discuss and comment on the findings immediately

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Readers should therefore be aware that articles on bio

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Rxiv have not been finalized by authors may contain errors and report information that has not been yet

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Accepted or endorsed in any way by scientific or medical community

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This paper that Alex is citing as prestigious was in no way verified and even according to its source should not be taken as a finalized

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Version of anything also if you try to find this paper now you find this message

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Quote this paper has been withdrawn by its authors

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They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of results

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They retracted their paper on Sunday the same day that Alex is on air talking about it being a smoking gun that proves that this

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Virus is a bio weapon

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So to sum it up Alex's primary source here is a paper that was retracted by its own authors after being published on a non peer

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Reviewed preprint server to put it simply this is not strong enough to support any of the claims that he's trying to make

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They should not allow

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Non-scientists anywhere near that shit like you journalists shouldn't be allowed to go near it

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Alex should be nowhere Alex shouldn't even know it existed and if he does look at it there should be like an

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M&M black like neuralyzer that wipes his memory

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I don't disagree that it is the sort of thing that could easily and you can see the exact

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Instance of it could easily lead to trouble, but what you're suggesting would be just as bad. They say it's a huge cover

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I know of course. That's not that's not the point the point is they can't have they when they have this information

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They're just they're just awful with it

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Just evil they ignore the information. They ignore the caveat in the asterisk of like this is not in any way

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Substantiated this is something that these researchers are putting up for discussion within the medical and scientific researching community

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Yeah, it's just you can't run with it like Alex is trying to run with it

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The whole point of the server is we're putting up stuff for other

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Scientists to look at because we're fairly certain that there's going to be something that we can make better or not or all of that

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Stuff it's never and particularly the danger of this game, too

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is that because there was a lot of backlash from the scientific and medical community about the way they were framing things like the

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results that they were claiming to have received

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and they voluntarily withdrew their own paper because of this

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Critique and comments that they got from the the community now

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Alex can claim that they took it down because it's a cover-up. Yeah, it's it is all just

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disgraceful shell game instead of the scientific community doing its job and self-policing to a

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Very high quality standard seems instead. It's a conspiracy to cover up

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Bingo early made paper cool as for the situation with zero hedge it has nothing to do with this paper from India

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Alex is trying to conflate the two because the BuzzFeed article about zero hedge getting kicked off Twitter

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Which is what everyone Alex is mad about sure that article mentioned that

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zero hedge had worked with an Indian conspiracy theory website called great game India to push narratives about the

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Coronavirus being stolen from that Canadian lab in Winnipeg. That's the only connection to India

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But it's enough for Alex to pretend that these are related stories

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So what happened is that zero hedge published an article accusing a virologist in Wuhan of creating the virus and they posted his name

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email address and phone number and

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Also says quote if anyone wants to find out what really caused the coronavirus pandemic

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That's infected thousands of people in China and around the globe. They should probably pay him a visit. No, no

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No, you say if anybody wants to find out that information stop check out that don't do it. No, don't look at other this

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Don't bother him. That's just completely unacceptable behavior zero hedge has no evidence

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This guy created the coronavirus and yet they're making that accusation and suggesting people should go pay him a visit

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You just can't do stuff like that

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And if I were Twitter, I would have kicked them off the platform for that too granted

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I probably would have done it a long time ago, but let's not split hair now. Come on

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It's just like an NFL quarterback. They're public figures these

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Researchers literally no one has ever heard of before posting a paper that oh my god public figures Dan

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So I I got into that and I'm like, I'm not doing another episode of Alex and Mike's trying to sell food buckets and weird

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Silver with fears about this virus with Alex's glitchy audio. Yeah, I just can't do it

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I I was I was not in for it. I primed myself for some sort of a political thing

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It was like I'm I'm not in the mood

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I feel like the audience is probably getting sick and tired of Alex's lies about the virus

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I sure as fuck am so I I was like, what can I do? What can we do?

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It's like well, there's the Iowa caucus, right? I was thinking to myself

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Alec one of Alex's finest moments

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Involves the Iowa caucus. Okay, cuz back in 2012, right? Ron Paul was running, right?

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And he did pretty well in the Iowa caucus. Yeah, so I decided what third, you know

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Well, I mean he got he came in third in votes. Yeah, but he ended up getting 22 out of the

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28 delegates. Oh, that's right because Iowa should be removed from democracy. I'm not I'm not

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Yeah, he had 22 out of the 28 delegates

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I'm not sure if I agree with you that Iowa should be removed from democracy

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But the the the the caucus system involves a lot of places where manipulation can be done

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I I think it might be

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An undemocratic way of going about Rick Santorum won the Iowa caucuses in 2012 with his huge

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popularity nationwide dad

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the votes of the people who showed up at the Iowa caucuses and got

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Zero. Oh, oh boy. Yeah. Oh boy

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So well, I was like that that's probably gonna be something kind of interesting

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So I went back to the day of the Iowa caucus, which is January 3rd 2012. And what do you find?

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Well, you find Alex being very insistent that Ron Paul is gonna win

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But is also going to be screwed over sure and an interview with Wayne Paul

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Oh

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So today we're gonna be the whole three senators past the Fed

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Way, that's right Wayne Paul. So we got a little bit of Alex's episode and then an interview with Wayne Paul. I don't know

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I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you this episode might be completely pointless. Okay, but hey, it's Iowa caucus time

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Let's go ahead and listen to Alex's Iowa caucus in 2012 when he had a feeling that Ron Paul

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Probably had a chance at winning the nomination

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Absolutely should be president. He was gonna kick Obama's ass. Everybody was gonna choose Ron Paul over Obama totally

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Yeah, yeah. So here we go. We start off with Alex extolling the virtues and

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You know what if you if you don't like Ron Paul

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Alex has some words for ya. Now if you don't like Ron Paul

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Then you don't like what America is the people demonizing Ron Paul and myself are

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lecherous

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unamerican vipers

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To want the destruction of our Republic and who are signed on to the New World Order period it's putting it pretty strongly

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All right, if you like America, you better like Ron Paul, right? So, let's see

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Doesn't like us

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the Vipers

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nationally Ron Paul was polling between

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What eight and twelve percent of the time so I would say roughly ninety percent of the United States was one hundred percent

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globalist snake vipers

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agreed

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So I I did I don't have a ton of like the rest of this episode cuz it's like who gives a shit

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Yeah, but Alex does take some calls and he gets a call from a guy who has nothing

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It's nothing to do with the Iowa caucus, but I found this to be very interesting. Let's talk to Rick in Florida Rick

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Thank you. Welcome

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Alex yes, sir. Are you there? Yes

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Okay

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Five year listener. I'm calling cuz I need your help

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I'm I'm in the process of declaring myself a free man on the land

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And I want out of the social security system

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Because it's that number if you accept that number to your name. That's what ties you legally to the rest of their guests

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Yes, that's all true. But the they say they don't even follow their own rules

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Just like they've gotten rid of due process and say they'll secretly arrest you and blow your head off. They are lawless criminals

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So just know that just because you say I'm a sovereign you pull out of it unless you're an illegal alien

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They won't leave you alone

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Oh eagles aren't above the law because they're here to drive down wages sure part of the New World Order

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Sure, see you thought this is going to be a thing where Alex reveals you believe sovereign citizen shit

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Nope, turns out also swerves at the end to racist

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I think it's funny that he's gone. He's he's against sovereign citizens doing their bullshit from the other side

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Like he's gone too far

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Absolutely, everything sovereign citizens believe it's totally true, but it doesn't matter because they're gonna find you anyway

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there's a practical aspect to it that he takes issue with as opposed to the

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The magical thinking of course if I just denounce my social security number

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I'm a free man on the land obviously and that's if they followed the law

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Of course, you could great you could just be a man on the land. Yep

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So Alex is a pretty sovereign citizen II, of course, that's true, sir

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Yeah, that was that's a weird response to that kind of call, but cool

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So you get around to the the Wayne Paul interview and here's Alex giving them a little bit of an intro

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Which like you can really tell that there seems to be a talking point that Alex really seems to be pushing back on

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I think you'll be able to tell what it is from this clip. Well, we've got another great patriot and another fellow Jackson

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Wayne Paul joining us for the rest of the hour. He's of course one of Ron Paul's brothers and for many decades

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He's been exposing the Federal Reserve battling the IRS in court. He's a CPA

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He is just a chip off the same block that Ron Paul came from up the same tree and

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I wanted to get him on today to talk a little bit about his brother and who his brother really is

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I mean I happen to know the inside baseball on Ron Paul who would basically volunteer for free to work at charity hospitals

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Because he believes in the free market and the free market you're supposed to have people that dedicate their own time willingly

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To help those that are in need. That's what the Bible teaches

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He would pay the bills of his poor patients that's now coming out not from his campaign but from others and

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That Ron Paul would volunteer in the minority black

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Areas mainly and give him healthcare. Ron Paul is a person

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Who well a hero he won't talk about himself

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He won't allow it because it's it's painful for people like him to hear it because he knows he's doing his duty

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There's a little bit of a concern about Ron Paul's

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Ron Paul's a racist

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Stuff in his past

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Okay, that was coming up

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You know when you run for president people vet you people let's say oppo research people dig into your newsletters

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I find a punch really racist shit right find associations with you know

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Nazis and white supremacists in the past and you find hey

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What's up with this David Duke really loves you what's going on here find those sorts of things so Alex

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I feel like one of the things that he really wants to drive home is like Ron Paul when he was a doctor

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Loved to give free health

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I know I know David Duke loves him, but that's while he was giving free health care to black people

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It seems like something he see Alex makes a particular note of it comes up multiple times in this this interview

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Yeah, I think up a researchers are used to like digging for stuff and with Ron Paul

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They were they put their shovel down put the foot on there and went clink. Oh shit

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We didn't even have to go deep not too deep nope

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So I'm not positive what Alex is talking about when he says that Wayne Paul fought the IRS in court, but he's a CPA

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Yes, I think he actually is I've seen that on some

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I don't well of his credits. That's the one I believe yeah, I don't particularly care

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But I did find a little gem about a lawsuit and the IRS

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I don't know there was a lawsuit, but it was in court that involved Wayne Paul, okay?

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So in 2009 Wayne Paul was called as a defense witness in the trial of a man named Robert Carré

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Who was accused of skirting tax laws?

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Oh, it seems that the situation was that he was paying his employees with gold and silver

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but and

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People who he had like contracts with that stuff

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He was only reporting their pay as the face value of the coins for instance

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He might pay someone with a gold dollar coin that was valued at $200, but he was claiming it as

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That might sound like a small thing and it probably would be if you're just doing it with one coin

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But this dude was super rich apparently he was doing it a lot when he was ultimately found guilty

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He was facing a possible fine of like 14 million dollars

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Which would give you some kind of scope of what kind of money he was hiding from the IRS with this

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Yeah, so Carré would ultimately end up being sentenced to a hundred ninety months in prison

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Love it

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And he also had to pay millions in restitution for this the first time I've heard the criminal justice system working, right?

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Well, I think it did take a while though. Okay, it was a drawn-out process

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one of his advisors

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Alexander Loglia was also sentenced to 26 months in prison because this involved a bit of a conspiracy to

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Well, that'll happen. Yeah, that'll happen. So you bring in Wayne Paul as your defense witness that makes it interestingly Loglia was also

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He's a guy who is part of Bill Cooper's

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Kaji organization, of course the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence and he appeared on Bill Cooper's show multiple times

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Fuck are these people anyway, Wade Paul is a defense witness in that case

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Which did not go well for the dude that he was supporting as for Ron Paul

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You know, like we said volunteering as a doctor. That's great

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But I don't know how much I believe that he was super concerned with minorities getting appropriate health care

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Given the shit that he's published

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The stuff that was published in his newsletter was written in the first person it had I it was

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Personal opinion. I mean a lot of politicians have people ghost write their books. Sure. No, that's no big deal fine

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Sure

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He dictated it so Wayne Paul comes in and they have some concerns about the transparency issues at a caucus

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you know, like I

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think it's a legitimate concern and

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I don't know why Wayne Paul has a solution to this. Okay. So Wayne, what is first on your radar screen here today?

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My friend

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How do we know we're gonna have an honest

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Tabulation and there's those throughout the country have been thinking about this for a long time

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And there's three or four guys on the East Coast

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That have set up a website called

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the transparent vote dot net and

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They put out a letter to all the candidates and I was saying

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If you've got people in a precinct when the precinct count is finished and sign off on

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Before they whisk it away asking to put it up and you take a camera picture of it

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With your iPhone and then upload it to transparent

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Net this guy sounds old

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Transparent vote dot net so the shaky voice of a old you take a camera photo. Yeah

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This doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world

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Although I think that the photos that people are sending in should be vetted before they're accepted as being real

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Like I think that the process could become pretty complicated

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And I don't know if the people who are running that website have the infrastructure or ability to handle that sort of thing

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It's sort of the same thing that I thought when I was listening to people call into shows last night as we're recording this

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Last night during the Iowa coverage from this year, you know people calling in with tallies from caucuses

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Like I don't have any reason to distrust them necessarily, but I also have no idea if what they're saying is accurate sure

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It's just a person on a phone in the same way. This is just a picture. You could write that picture, right?

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There's all kinds of possibilities really you need verification of stuff. Sure

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But anyway, I don't think the baseline idea behind this person with this website not the worst idea in the world

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Anyway, I don't think this website took off the earliest snapshot of it in the wayback machine is from early 2013

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So it's after this did not stick around for very long. That's fair

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And by that point in early 2013, it had already become a landing page with spam in Japanese promoting a shop in Japan

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Sure. Sure. Here's the text that you will find on transparent vote net quote

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There is a sex shop that you always visit when you come to Osaka

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The sex shop does not offer any special services, especially notable and not even thrilling business

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It's a very ordinary sex shop with the image of general sex shop, especially Osaka. This is special

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There is no complaint to sing. However, I'm worried and I go every time I come to Osaka. It's such a mysterious shop

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It's not that I'm messing around rather praise. I'm going to praise it like this

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I think it is just you want to visit. However, why is it so attractive?

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I don't know

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Well, and as I said, I go to Osaka again this weekend even so I guess I would go to that sex shop

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I guess that a simple and cute girl smiles and goes to the store that says have you come I'm glad

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Okay, is this sex shop a synecdoche for the United States?

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Electoral system. Is that what's going on? Because I can see a little bit of it there

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There's another page not just the landing home page

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There's another page titled quote men to which begins quote. This was also taught at the sex shop in Osaka

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But men also squirt

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Okay. All right, interesting

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Okay

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the more I looked into the pages on this website the more it became clear that this was largely about a sex shop in Osaka that

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May or may not focus on prostate orgasms

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There's a page titled quote. I like it exclamation point. That's a good one quote. Yes

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Yes, the prostate is something only we have it seems to be about five centimeters from the hole in the ass. I

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What's happening here are these are these reviews communicating with each other

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It is said that if you stimulate it, you will get pleasure almost forever

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Almost forever. The bottom line is that I guess that this transparent voting initiative didn't take off the way Wayne

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Paul had hoped it might be and because I wanted to try and sort out what this website was like

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I was hoping to find some sort of cash stuff about it. I accidentally found a page praising a Japanese anus themed sex shop

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Yeah, so thanks for that Wayne Paul

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Sometimes you set up the website that you think you want but you find out you get the website you need sure

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I think that's what Wayne Paul was really and that's what he needed Dan. Yeah, so that's I mean that has nothing to do with

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Anything relevant at all, but it's what you find if you look at the way back machine

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So one of the things that I found really interesting about listening to this

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Interview with Wayne Paul on the day of the Iowa caucuses 2012

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Firstly is that Alex does seem to be subtly pushing back on the idea that Ron Paul is a racist, right?

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And then the second thing is how much this

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This directly mirrors so much of his language about Trump and imagine your brother really for 40 years

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But prominently for three decades

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Traveling the country writing books in and out of Congress

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battling for basic

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Americana liberty, I mean really nothing special just basic common-sense

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Constitution and now here he is right as everything

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He warned of and you and I and many others and Jaber Griffin warned of right as it's all happening. Just as we have said

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There is Ron Paul. I mean, that's God giving us a chance

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You know God if you study the Bible Wayne as you know always gives people a way out a chance

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This is so similar to how he like really

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Tried to characterize the 2016 election

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Yeah, the God giving us a reprieve like Nineveh sure are constantly talking about that a chance. Absolutely like this this

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It's startling to me almost to look back and see what in these

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contexts could seem as a little bit more rational because I mean for all Ron Paul's faults at least he's a

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Politician who's been elected to office multiple times and who seems to believe what he says

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Sure. Yeah as good or bad as those things. Yeah. Yeah, exactly seems to at least have like not just fucking around, right?

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So you see the same sort of framing and the same

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That it just it was very jarring to me. Yeah, I don't know

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I don't know if anyone else would have a similar response, but seeing that language be so

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Vigorously applied to the Trump situation. Yeah, and then looking back and seeing it's exactly the same way

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He tried to frame the 2012 election

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It really just makes it everything seem way cheaper like it makes the 2012 stuff seem cheaper and it makes the 2016 thing

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Just seemed like oh, this is just what he does. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, I mean, but he didn't do that obviously for Romney or not the bushes. So

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2012 was like

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It seems to me like 2016 was something that is ruining 2012 because he just doesn't have any other way of well

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Cuz he had a candidate that made it out of the primary exactly and and one that he liked. Yeah a positive one

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Yeah, yeah

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Well, we're fucked. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, there's also the same thing with Trump

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I mean, I guess like you could get that even from that last clip where you know

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Like we were getting this chance God gives us a chance. There's an immediacy to it. Like it needs to be now

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We live in the most exciting times of our life

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Because we've never had an opportunity like this in my lifetime

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70 years old and we hear I think it's it's exciting. I think it's

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Definitive and I think it is going to be something that's gonna surprise everybody because the time is now

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Do not do this, I don't know why that happened. I don't know. I don't know what happened

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Whenever Wayne Paul says the time is now John Cena's theme song just starts playing. I didn't do that

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Are you you had to know it's just something that really absolutely

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Of course I edited it. Okay, but it's important whenever anybody says the time is now you need gotta have you got to know that

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The champ is here. Okay, so

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Son of a bitch. That's how much that's how little you could find today. You're like, I'm tossing this one in here

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We were doing an actual episode. You would have freaked the fuck out when you it feels

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I mean like it's a representation of how little I respect I have for Wayne Paul

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probably

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We are living in exciting times because Wayne Paul can get fake teeth that fit

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Well, I mean there again you have you know, we're living in the most exciting times

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It's still there's just so much mirroring of what would end up being exactly the way that Alex

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talks about Trump

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so an interesting thing is here like you've got

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Alex Jones who does a dumb show sure and you have him supporting a candidate who has a

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Fair shot of coming in the top end of the field in the first caucus of the primary. Yeah

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Yeah, so it's so bizarre that first of all, he chooses to have as a guest that candidates brother

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No, there's no conflict of interest there it first of all there is

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Play seen as music

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Second of all, it just seems like I don't know what what you hope to get out of this other than maybe pathos

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You know, like I know I can't imagine

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if you have a shit like I wouldn't you'll be bizarre to me for like

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I don't know mad out to have Hillary Clinton's brother on or something like that and think it's like hard-hitting

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2016 sure, it just seems like I don't get it. I don't get I get the choice

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Right, but it's not a serious choice. No. No, it's a weird choice

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Uh, well, I mean, there's a reason that I don't remember Wayne Paul making all the interview rounds on national TV

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I don't think Ron Paul was like he went on

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We're gonna need you on Fox News. You're my surrogate for this interview. We got to get Wayne out front

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It seems really weird and and because Wayne Paul doesn't really have much

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By way of being a surrogate having much relevancy to Ron Paul's campaign

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No, it ends up drifting a bit into Alex trying to talk about their childhood

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Sure is a puff piece now. What's it like? What was it like growing up with Ron Paul?

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Yeah, you guys have a large family growing up

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How would you you know characterize him in the family and then you know throughout his life? What type of person is Ron Paul and

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What do you make of all of these, you know taking out of tens of thousands of newsletters?

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Taking you know ten lines or something and conflating them with other things

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And then attacking your brother

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So there's two things that are going on here one again

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You see this interest in pushing back against the racist narrative because that's what he's talking about with the newsletters and then secondarily

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I think the strategy is I don't even know if it's a conscious strategy

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I think it's just how someone like Alex operates

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this is about endearing Ron Paul further by way of story like because

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Right, they're not gonna get into the nitty-gritty of policy or anything like that

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So what you're gonna end up doing is making stories surrounding his candidacy. Sure. That is the most important

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Element to appealing to this this this right-wing base. Yeah, you need an emotional narrative

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Yeah

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You need that appeal and that's going to do a lot of work for you

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The problem is everybody who's listening to Alex's show already loves Ron Paul

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So I don't know who you're hoping to swing by by way of like

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What was it like growing up with Ron Paul?

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Give us a character that we can all relate to and attach ourselves to your art. You're selling a sold car

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Yeah, that's what you're doing. It just seems very weird

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Now about those newsletters

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The racist shit and Ron Paul's newsletters were absolutely not taken out of context and it's not just a couple lines

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Oh ten or twelve lines and you're conflating them with false information

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What kind of idiot would take only a few lines out of context and then conflate them with completely different things?

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That would be an insane thing to do

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There's a great piece about this in the New Republic by James Kirk

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that gets into some of the more fragrant

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examples of Ron Paul being a gigantic racist piece of shit for instance

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There was a 1992 article in his newsletter about the Watts riots that said quote order was only restored in LA

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when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks

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Okay

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Hmm the piece also applauded the Korean store owners who were quote the only people to act like real Americans

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Mainly because they have not yet been assimilated into our rotten liberal culture

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Which admonishes whites faced by raging blacks to lie back and think of England now that one is gonna be tough to explain away

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Yeah

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I think that one is pretty comprehensive in being racist or there was the 1989 article that

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Predicted racial violence will fill our cities because quote mostly black welfare

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recipients will feel justified in stealing from the mostly white halves

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Okay, all right or there was the June 1991 article about racial tension in a DC neighborhood titled quote animals take over the DC Zoo

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Okay. Nope. Nope. Nope

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There's a singular fixation in his newsletters about the coming race war and a trend of calling non-whites

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Animals in an article from 1992 the newsletter says quote

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I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self-defense for the animals are coming

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There was one from 1996 that opined that quote opinion polls consistently show that only 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions

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The newsletters called the end of apartheid in South Africa a quote

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Destruction of civilization and quote the most tragic event to ever occur on that continent at least below the Sahara

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Why is it that so many of these right-wing figures seem to take the exact same view of the world that Charles Manson?

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Why is it there's so much overlap between what Charles Manson preached?

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I don't know or who could forget about all the positive coverage of the newsletters gave to David Duke back in

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1991 saying quote Duke lost the election, but he scared the blazes out of the establishment all this makes sense

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I mean after all Duke did endure endorse Ron Paul for president and as did pretty much all of the white supremacist

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Community in the country that has any interest in electoral politics for sure. This is unless they're trying to become men of the land

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Then they they don't care about electoral politics

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This is a very serious and very consistent type of shit that goes on and this isn't even getting into the gay bashing and completely

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Nonsensical revisionist history and anti-communist conspiracy shit in those newsletters Ron Paul is not a folksy weirdo

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Who hates banks and war and loves weed?

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He's either a violently racist person who had no problem expressing those views in his newsletter

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Or he's someone so fucking incompetent that he allowed someone else to write violently racist articles in his newsletter in the first

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Person and somehow he didn't notice until he was asked about it when he ran for president such bullshit

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Like this this is sad and like yeah, go ahead ask Wayne Paul about it. Yeah, go ask his brother

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And he doesn't even like growing up with Ron Paul

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You know, he was very racist to even other children at the age of four way Wayne doesn't even like

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Respond to the newsletter. So he just sort of waxes

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Nostalgic about a bygone time and so Alex tries to we used to call him. Nope. Nope. Stop. Stop. Stop

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Alex tries to refocus him on like how would you describe Ron?

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How would you describe?

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Ron Paul me at his core what drives your brother?

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well

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Even when Ron was in high school before he had a driver's license

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He worked and in a drugstore

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Store making sodas and sundaes and then at nine or ten o'clock at night or Friday

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It's very night. He gave on his bicycle

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And it's about a mile from the house and he would bicycle home

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Keep in mind Ron Paul was born in

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1935 he's currently

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84 years old

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He was a child during World War two

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This quaint picture that Wayne is painting sounds like like it kind of foreign to modern ears

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Maybe but it's super common among people who were born in the 30s. Oh, yeah, and why would they how would they even get jobs?

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You know how hard the job market is now

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I assume it's exactly the same whenever most of the male population is going and fighting a war overseas

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He talked there were no job openings

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He talks about like paying his own way through college and it's like yeah college cost like $600

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Yeah, yeah my aunt and I used to get into conversations about that

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She was like I used to I paid for my college all four years and when I walked out

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I didn't have any debt and it's like how much did you pay for college?

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$2,000 a semester. Do you know how much?

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Yeah, so they like it's not really addressed

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so much

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You know Alex keeps bringing up the like things that are sort of geared towards the like everyone's saying Ron's a racist, right?

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But it's not really addressed all that much. It's just like

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Pushed back on without really without really dealing with what the complaints are and you see this kind of consistently

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You know, they're false claims of racism and things like that

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I mean because from people I know that you know your brother well, and of course what's coming out in the media

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I mean, he would volunteer quite a bit always at the charity hospitals to help people

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But he never took Medicare

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Come in to his office. He took care of them if they

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Didn't have the money. They made an agreement as to how they were going to get paid and

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He took care of them, but he never took Medicare

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Any time while he was being a doctor. That's right

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Never took it and in many cases would just give people free health care is what ended up happening

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I mean so so so this is and particularly for my quote minorities

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What I mean most doctors would just turn you away right there. Oh, really? There's your brother

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Hard-working living by example of his parents all the things he's done

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Truly understands the issues and that's why the system's so scared of him because they know he can't be bought and there's no

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Skeletons in his closet same thing that Alex says about Trump like he has he can't be bought

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Nope, there's no skeletons in his closet despite the massive amounts of skeletons of both of their closets

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Well, they're very large skeletons. They're specific

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Specifically closets built for skeleton. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they they hang them up very nicely

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Yeah to display full of skeletons

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and also, there's a big difference between what Alex is presenting like he gave people free health care and what

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Wayne is describing which is like he worked under the tape

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Yeah, he bartered will work out a deal where you could pay me so I don't have to go through the administrative bullshit of

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Medicare or whatever so

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Someone on staff to file these claims. So how about you give me a gold coin worth $200 and we'll call it $1

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That's yeah, that's different. Yeah, whatever Wayne is describing is like quaint

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And I don't know the legality of I don't know the the details of yeah

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If you can or can't do that or you should or shouldn't what are the ramifications of it?

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But that's not giving people free health care

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Whatever is going on is fucked up. Yeah, it's weird. Also, you see the quote minority

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Yeah, Alex is pushing back on this thing by using this as a way of being like he can't be racist

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He gave health care to my quote minority. Yeah, the the idea that

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Other places would turn away black patients, but Ron Paul

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Hero of the minority community is the only one who will take them. I think you give me a fucking break in fairness

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I think what he was talking about more specifically was people who couldn't pay right, you know it and and

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Alex was saying it was largely and quote to minority exact areas

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But the the turning away people at hospitals is more about the not paying than the fact that they're black. Although he Alex is

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combining those two to make

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Ron Paul appear more virtuous exactly. So well at the same time demonizing black people for always being poor. Well, I mean, it's

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He's read the newsletters

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Alex is a well-read man. Fair enough fair enough. So

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Ron Paul is going into the Iowa caucus and Wayne has some concerns and

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That is he's too good a candidate. Certainly. I mean that is a concern

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There's dirty tricks perhaps going on behind the scenes

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It does show the awakening is huge that despite the the lying

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Decepticon media telling everybody that Ron Paul can't win. He now is the front-runner and they are in full panic mode

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What are some of the dirty tricks? You're expecting them to pull Wayne? Well, I'm concerned

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Not about the caucus meetings tonight in Iowa because I believe

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the people in the in the individual precincts and caucus meetings are

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the grassroots

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Serious-minded

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Individuals and that that means it doesn't matter who they support

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Any one of the candidates they're normally very dedicated

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Hard-working people. All right, move it along way. Let's go

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Speak quicker for the person they believe that is right. I believe those

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precinct numbers

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Will be honest and dear in every way shape or form

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My concern would be what happened when they go to a secret place and

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Tally the boat

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That is not

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transparency so it's it's it's fun this concern because I mean, you know a

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transparency is an issue with these sorts of issues these sorts of

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Primaries and caucuses, but it's interesting that he's talking about this this this dirty tricks that they're gonna be going on

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at the Iowa caucus

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Because there were dirty tricks, but they were done by Ron Paul

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So there's something really interesting about the what happened with the Iowa caucus in 2012 and that was the Mitt Romney was

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Everybody kind of thought odds-on favorite if somebody was going to take the Republican

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Nation though there were people in the race like Gingrich had a little bit of a juice going

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Santorum was an appealing candidate

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He's made of juice if you know

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Yeah, and Ron Paul had that outsider fringe thing that had that libertarian vibe, right?

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There were there were even other candidates, you know

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There was a lot of there's a lot of things going on

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But Mitt Romney was seen as it by most as being like the odds-on guy

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Yeah, yeah Mitt Romney was 2012 Hillary he announced prior to the caucuses even as far back as late

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2011 that Mitt Romney announced that he wasn't going to participate in the Iowa straw poll and he seemed like he was taking a pretty

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Low intensity approach to the Iowa caucuses as a whole which allowed people like Ron Paul a big opening

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Yeah to really hit the ground hard

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Try and get people out to the caucuses

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So despite a fairly meek attempt at wooing Iowa Romney was initially declared the winner

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of the Iowa caucuses

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They the report was of the vote count was said that he beat Rick Santorum by eight votes

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Which is kind of irrelevant because total supporters don't necessarily translate to the number of delegates in caucus caucus. They're stupid. They're very weird

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They're very stupid. I don't know if they're stupid, but they're weird

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After the tallies were certified it turned out that Rick Santorum had actually beat Romney by 34 votes

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But all of it was kind of moot because Ron Paul won almost all of the state's delegates

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all even though he was

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3800 votes behind either Romney or Santorum and he won how many of their delegates 22 out of 28? Okay, and

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So that is he's not

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Stupid for what reason his campaign was able to achieve this by manipulating the rules of how delegates work in caucuses

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Okay, delegates are elected

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But they're not bound to vote for the person who wins the state in this case Santorum because of this little quirk

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Paul's campaign worked to get his supporters in positions where they would be elected as delegates

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They're free to vote for whoever they want

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Due to this political maneuver Ron Paul was kind of sleazily able to win 22 out of 28 elections up for grabs

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Even though he came in third

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So you just snuck people in there, I don't know exactly how much like subterfuge went on

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I'm not entirely sure like how much of it was

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actual like

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Nefarious stuff right? Yeah, I mean based on the turn like the that's not okay. Yeah

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It is not okay for the guy in third to get sort of what 80% or 70%? Yeah

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Yeah, I mean and I also think like as I look at that

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I think that's not really cheating

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a little bit of backroom

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Non-transparent kind of shady. There's a there's a certain part of me that finds that a little bit charming

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I I'm not gonna lie. I mean, yeah, I don't I have I have mixed feelings about it cuz on the one hand

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It does mean that whoever was doing that was definitely super motivated for sure. They were very into the process

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They knew the rules. Yeah, too. Well, but on the other hand

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It is subverting the will of the people a little bit. I mean there is that so I don't know anyway

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Wayne should be less concerned about the

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Strategy that it appears Ron was using every time these guys say you better watch out for voter fraud on the other side

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It's because we're about to do some voter fraud on our and I don't know how much Wayne is even aware of that because quite

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Frankly, I don't know much. Yeah

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Yeah, so

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We get back in this next clip to just like echoes of

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Trump and the way Alex sold Trump like if you take the name Ron Paul out of here

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I think probably sounds very similar to how Alex would talk about Trump

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once people convert to Liberty and put together all the pieces of it and

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Understand how things work. There's no going back

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I mean, that's the issue Ron Paul's not filling people through with his ideology

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He is getting people to rediscover history rediscover common sense rediscover. What made America great

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Versus the horrible stuff. We're being sold by the establishment. It's the establishment that's got something to hide. It's the establishment

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that's discredited in kooky not Ron Paul and

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Every month we exponentially grow and that's why the system's scared

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Yep, Alex says everything is exponentially learned that word in high school

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Um, so I mean he even said make America great

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You know

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But that that to me is fucked up because that can't be I mean, that's a coincidence. It's not his idea

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No, they didn't get it from him. No, but

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The fact that that ends up being Trump's

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Rallying slogan. Yeah, and it's how he's talking about Ron Paul in 2012. It's just it's just weird

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There's so much see I think it makes perfect sense based on what we're experiencing right now with Alex

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It's this is the same problem that he's having on the Trump train. He only has one way to sell a candidate, right?

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He's got a million ways to try and tear down a candidate, but he's only got one way to sell one

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And it's this and it's this so when Trump comes along

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It doesn't matter if it's true or not selling Trump. So he sells him like he sells him as if it's Ron Paul exactly

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He's only got one way it is it is interesting

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and I mean

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I think that one of the shortcomings of this podcast so far and like in terms of what we've listened to is that there hasn't

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Been a ton of our coverage of how he promoted Ron Paul during those years

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Yeah, and it does make me wonder if just this little glimpse of him talking to Wayne

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It makes me wonder how much like we could go back to the Ron Paul time and hear almost

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Direct parallels of how Alex promoted Trump

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Yeah, I would be surprised if there was like way heavier overlap than you would assume

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Yeah

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well

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I would be interested now and just like going through each of the candidates since like 2000 and finding which one Ron Paul

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Wow

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That's fair

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If he picked different ones at that time and sold them the same way

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But it's always been Ron Paul, of course in 2016

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It would have been Ron Paul, but in instead it was Rand don't know Ron Paul run in 2004

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He might I don't know. Yeah, I don't remember

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2012 were his big big big runs. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know

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I think I think it surprised that his big runs came against a black president weird

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It's almost like certain people were more in he's read the newsletters. So I

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There's another sort of parallel here and that you'll hear that in this next clip

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They've been able to control and stick them in a hole somewhere

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And not have to deal with him, but those times are changing now

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So each day is it changes. I am in greater fear of his

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Life for he and his family. No. No, you're right, but he's committed to it as a champion

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But no, let's elaborate on this after the break. This is the next point. I wanted to raise

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We're right on the same page together

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So you have that same also that parallel of like Alex's pitching the crisis with Trump is like he's too popular

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They're gonna kill they're gonna kill him

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They're gonna kill because they can't be controlled and he knows they're gonna kill him anyways

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But he's still doing it because he just believes so hard. He's willing to die for this

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Alex says that about Trump all the fuck all the time. It's I mean, it's almost shocking really to look at this

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It'd be like wow. Oh there is I guess that's what he does then. Yeah. Yeah, it's almost copy and paste

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Yeah, it really is formulaic. It's very strange

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So again, Wayne Paul is not like a guy who's relevant brilliant accountant

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Wayne Paul Alex doesn't ask him about accountancy. Ah, it seems like that would be his his best interview shot

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No, his best interview shot is to ask. What about when you were kids? Let's get back more into this

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Who got started waking up to this whole New World Order?

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Collectivist slave system was it you was it another brother? Was it Ron? Give us that

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Law, well, I think well Ron was waiting for babies to be born

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He began to read Austrian economic book

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And so he went all all the way back to through Ludwig von Mises in high

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Believe in the Austrian economic theory, which is free enterprise

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Private property and liberty to do what you want. He learned and understood this issue

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So on our last episode we talked about how the Mies Institute believes that you have the right to allow your child to die

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Because because forcing you to feed them is an infringement on your rights. They are a mess

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Yeah, and Ron Paul was there at the beginning. He got it from the source

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He read all of this Ludwig von Mises shit

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And he went buck wild with it. I like that it's while he was waiting for babies

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I imagine he's standing there next to the woman pushing and he's just got his watch out and reading the fucking Austrian

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Economics look according to this book. I'm not obligated to help you give birth if you die you die. That's what the book says

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Forcing me to help you in your pregnancy is a positive responsibility and an infringement on my rights

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But based on the Mies Institute wouldn't he be allowed to first ask for payment before he gives her the baby?

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Probably, I don't know. I think so. So we talked about that issue with the Mies Institute on the last episode

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But today I want to tell you about how they celebrated Christmas

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1998 and that was by posting an article defending Ebenezer Scrooge

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Alright guys, we got this one

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So from the article quote the fact is if Cratchit's skills were worth more to anyone than the 15 shillings Scrooge pays him weekly

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There would be someone glad to offer it to him since no one has and since Cratchit's profit

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Maximizing boss is hardly a man to pay for nothing. Cratchit must be worth exactly his present wages, right?

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I don't think they got the point of the story and I'm starting to think that they're there their quibble isn't with Dickens

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No, no quote. No doubt. Cratchit needs ie want

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More to support his family and to care for tiny Tim food, but Scrooge did not force Cratchit to father children

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He's having difficulty supporting

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Ah, if Cratchit had children while suspecting he would be unable to afford them. He not Scrooge is responsible for their plight

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There you go. Hey, what do you math checks out the math checks out? You got to take responsibility for your actions

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So the Mies Institute also takes aim right at the ghost of Christmas past

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all right, what about the conditions at the time definitely leading to tiny tins series of

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Ailments that wasn't his choice. Did he have a choice to live in London? We don't get into that

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Okay, so but about the ghost of Christmas past sure quote Scrooge's first employer good old Fezziwig was a bit freer with the guinea

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He throws his employees a Christmas party

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What the what the ghost of Christmas past does not explain is how Fezziwig afforded it

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Did he attempt to pass the added costs on to his customers or did young Scrooge pay for it?

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Anyway by working for marginally lower wages

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Clearly they fucking love Ebenezer Scrooge

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Your friendship is not valuable enough for one full beer. I will get you one half

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So about Scrooge it is how they close the the article quote

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There can be no arguing with Dickens wish to show the spiritual advantages of love

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But there was no need to make the object of his lesson an entrepreneur whose ideas and practices benefit his employees

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Society at large and himself won't anybody think of the oligarch stand won't anybody think of how they must feel

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Yeah, so Jesus these guys are real Wow shit

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That's that's almost that almost has to be deliberate trolling

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And I would believe that if they didn't believe

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Everything that they're saying based on a lot of stuff that I've read from them. I do not believe this is trolling

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Yeah, I believe that this I mean, I think it's probably written with a little bit of a wink

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But but the wink is like aren't I clever? Yeah, exactly. It's yeah, it's less like I'm fucking with you

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It's like look at this. I'm I'm taking how I read this book better than you you dumb dumb. Yeah, that's the wink

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Yeah, that's the comedy of it. Yep, she's I

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I just I just admire

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That kind of certain like oh, I'm going after this one

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cherished

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Immortal story that everybody easily gets the moral of and I'm gonna flip it on its head, baby

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You guys don't have shit on me

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Yeah

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There's just a there's just a like a central problem with

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Philosophies that put private property as the top. Yeah thing the highest priority and then secondarily

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Libertarianism has a real problem because the non-aggression principle that's so central to libertarian thought is incoherent

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Yeah

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And so trying to apply those two things like and apply them to all sorts of life situations

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You just end up with nonsensical shit

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Like yeah, Scrooge was the real victim. Yeah, and you should be able to let your kids starve. Yep. Yep. Great

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Let's let's follow our beliefs to their logical conclusion and all of our children are starved to death. Okay

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I think we might be on to something. So Ron Paul read all that stuff. Hell, yeah, then decided here's a career

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That's what I got. I'm gonna do this with an extra 40 fucking years

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That's because one lady had to wait he she was in labor for like three days

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He read all of the books and now he's sick of being a doctor sure

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Yeah, so we know one thing a lot about Wayne Paul like

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Defining characteristic. I mean, it's what you said as soon as you heard his name

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And that is that he believes that three people voted for the Federal Reserve. Absolutely because he said that in Alex's documentary

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Yeah, and then it turns out he says it on the show too. He really does believe that he does

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We had more real wealth growth per capita for every person in the United States

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than ever conceived of by man

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That's right. It was over 10% a year

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And what happened

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November or December of 1913 the Federal Reserve Act was passed by three people in the floor of the house

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There it is 20 years later in 33. We turned around and Roosevelt declares United States bankrupt

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Yep, yep. Yep. Yeah, I mean that's just lunacy. There's no other way to put it

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There's like there. It's so easy to show that that is not true

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That's just you're you're being deliberately obtuse if you continue to believe that I don't know. I don't know

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I think he's just like

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maybe old well, that's true and

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Dumb, that could be also I worry about the Paul family. You think so? I don't know

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I don't know their other siblings, but the two of them are not a good example of like really well thought-out

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Positions yeah, like if I were wrong

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I would be like Wayne don't go on info wars and say that three people voted in the Federal Reserve

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Yeah, you're that looks bad

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Yeah, just because I also believe it's true doesn't mean you want to say it in front of the normies very strange

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Yeah, so here's the last clip we have it's Alex asking for closing comments closing comments in the two minutes

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We've got left sir

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Well, I'm delighted for the opportunity

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Be on the radio. I again want to reiterate we live in the most exciting times of my life

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I

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Think the United States

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Is going to change in terms of its economic environment somebody gonna play him off the right answers

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When change is needed and I think every citizen of the United States can look forward

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To an unbelievable

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Prosperity in this country if we turn around and understand what's going on and we fight for our liberty

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It's all going to start today. It didn't

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Know I like the idea that he's saying that he's living in the most exciting time of his life

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Like he lived through the fucking yeah World War two or civil rights era

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Vietnam war ever Korean war are you talking about?

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Mash wasn't that good, man

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Holy shit the stuff that he lived through

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He wasn't paying attention

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I guess it would be really exciting on a subjective level for your brother to run for president again

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Yeah

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But I don't know I don't know I don't know if I would consider the 2012 election to be the most exciting time of the

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Last 70 plus years. Yeah, I would say that's probably one of the more boring elections that we've had in a long time

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It was pretty much a foregone conclusion. Yeah, it wasn't I don't remember it being very invigorating. No, no, especially after the whole

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47 percent thing where it's just like oh you're get out of here get out of here Rob gross Romney. You're fucking stupid

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Yeah, is Wayne still alive? I have no idea. Oh, well cuz I was gonna say if he thought

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The Grand Prix. He thought 2012 was exciting man

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2020 the end of the world has already been declared by another guest on infowars over for humanity

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I knew you had a few numbers. I was always at the ready

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Always there. Yeah, I mean, that's the most exciting times really end time the end times

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Yeah, I don't know what Wayne Paul's up to. He has too easy a name to goo like too common

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Yeah, and he's too low profile to really be relevant. Yeah to anything. So I have no idea what he's up to. Oh

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Also, I don't care. Oh, there's that I don't know what he's up. I I agree with you

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it's it's it's really really interesting to me and I think that

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Like there's there is an interesting element in that you have the anti-establishment

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Candidate right in 2012 in the person of Ron Paul coming into the Iowa caucuses

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Which has a slight mirror to the present day with the Democratic primary

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I think there are slight parallels but far more differences to make them analogous. Sure

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But I think that there is that that's really interesting and then further I think I am

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Overwhelmed by how similar this he's Alex is speaking of Ron Paul to have he spoke about Donald Trump

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particularly in the lead-up to the 2016 like that I was not expecting to find and it makes me kind of want to

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Dig more into that right, right the Ron Paul runs the more I think about that

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That's the thing that makes the most sense to me because yeah, I didn't I didn't consider it but you're right

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Yeah, because with the with the libertarian

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Nonsense people there's such a narrow view of what even a candidate they could support right, you know

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So if you're trying to sell them anybody you have to sell them the same way that you sell Ron Paul has been

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You know and Trump can fit some of those bills

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But why not just throw them all on there anyway sell them sell them to libertarians as Ron Paul

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Even if he's not I just never really considered it for a number of reasons one

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They're so different Ron Paul and Donald Trump in reality

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They are yes

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And then second like Alex was already trying to do those characterizations with Rand Paul before he decided to flip to Trump

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Yeah, yeah, so I never really considered point. I never really considered how much like it just might be the

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Boilerplate way I define good candidate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting how like

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even I

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Knowing what I know about Alex give him way too much credit for like some kind of depth to what he's doing

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Yeah, like I really I really need to probably

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Get rid of some of that it is it is

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hard to because we listen to the lead-up there and

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hearing all of his bullshit

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You just assume that he created it

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You know you assume that there was some sort of creative element to it because you would have to create

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Trump with yeah with Trump, but then you're like

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Why would I assume that the least creative man who does no research and doesn't care no would have a creative take yeah

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It seems like the most likely thing is like I've done this I did this with Ron

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Yeah, a couple times hang it out. Just switch out some names

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All my rants. It's all muscle memory. Yep. It seems like it's possible

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I don't know in order to really be more

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Certain of that it needs to go back and listen to a lot of 2008 and 2012 yeah, which I may do

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Yeah, maybe something for the future, but for now. It's interesting to take this little glimpse into Alex's

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Iowa caucus day

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2012 in order to have something to talk about yeah our new research our new research project is just going through every election to

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Find out whether or not Alex supports a candidate, and how he describes it will not be that yeah

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But you know it

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This is this is a little mini episode cuz Alex is on some sort of mysterious vacation where he's gone for a couple days

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I have no idea what he's doing, but it came out of nowhere, and we'll see

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I think we may have to have a episode on Friday this week

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We'll see, but if he's out of studio on Wednesday and Thursday, then yeah, I don't know what the fuck so we'll see

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