Transcript/265: September 1, 2011

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan!

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan!

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Have you ever heard Broken Social Scene?

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Uh...

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I don't know if you, I've never talked to you about the old Broken Social Scene.

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I don't know if you're interested.

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I'm constantly aware of them.

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I don't know if I, I bet, it's one of those groups that I'm sure I've heard and like if you played a couple songs you'd be like, I know this.

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But not off the top of my head, no.

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Not a fan?

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I don't know, maybe I am!

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Maybe you are?

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I don't know!

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Cue it up, we got a clip right there.

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Not a chance.

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Oh okay, sorry.

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Uh, I don't know, there's a whole litany of groups whose names I knew and I just had written off as like, even when I was in college and all that, it was like, ah, dump college rock bullshit.

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No, this is not that.

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How about Feist?

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College rock bullshit.

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How about Metric?

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College, I actually like Metric.

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How about Do Make Say Think?

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I have no idea what that is.

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Alright, how about Godspeed You Black Emperor?

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I'm aware of them, yeah.

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Alright.

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All Canadian.

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Oh no.

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All essentially in the same band.

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All just garbage and rush ripoffs, that's what I say.

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They will rush ripoffs!

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Any Canadian band, just a ripoff, a rush, I'll stand by that.

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Every member of all of those bands has probably been in Broken Social Scene at one point in time.

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Is that why they're called that?

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Uh, yeah, there you go.

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I had an aversion.

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And they just released a new AP, which is why I was curious.

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I recognize this as a deficiency on my part, but I am very prejudiced when it comes to bands, but just about the people I think like them.

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Okay, okay.

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If that makes sense.

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Alright.

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The longer I never got into Nirvana, because the cool kids at school that didn't want to hang out with me all wore Nirvana shirts and stuff like that.

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Gotcha, okay.

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Well, if it's for them, then it's not for me, I'll go listen to Ska.

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Fair, fair.

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Something like that, you know?

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Yeah.

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And I'm not saying I'm better because of it, I'm saying it's a piece of my brain I've not been able to coach out of myself.

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I famously discovered The Go Team a year ago.

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Famously!

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Famously!

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Famously!

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Everyone knows this!

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Yeah, I texted my brother, I'm like, what does it mean if I think The Go Team is pretty cool?

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He's like, it means you were in college ten years ago.

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I'm like, I'm an asshole.

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Thunder Lightning Strike, Dan.

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Thunder Lightning Strike.

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There's a lot of good music I miss just because of that weird blind spot that I have.

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I try to rectify that, I try to be more open, but it's tough because I just end up listening to old No Limit albums and Steely Dan.

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What if I threw this wrinkle in there?

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The way that I would describe Broken Social Scene is Baroque post-rock.

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Does that sound interesting to you?

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You've actually made it less likely that I'm going to listen now.

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Come on, man!

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There's horns?

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You love horns?

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You like a ska band?

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I do like horns.

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You love horns?

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You love a good horn section?

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Broken Social Scene's got the horn section for you.

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Alright, I'm going to give you a maybe on this.

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Something I'm not going to give a maybe to is giving a shout out to some of our new donors.

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Perfect.

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We appreciate everyone signing up so much.

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First of all, I'd like to say to Lonn. L-A-H-N.

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Thank you so much, you are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk!

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Thank you, Lonn.

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Thank you very much, Lonn.

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Next, Emma, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Emma.

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Thank you, Emma.

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Next, Drew, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Drew.

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Thank you very much, Drew.

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Next, the ex-consciously theorist.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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ex-conspiracy theorist. Although I have a conspiracy for you, he's not ex.

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Oh shit. Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of

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an elevated level. We appreciate it. Oh, so very much so. Emmy, thank you so much. You

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are now a globalist. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to

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your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket

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of poop. Daddy shark. Thank you, Emmy. Thank you very much, Emmy.

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If I recall correctly, that is someone who has requested that we send them a postcard

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and I just got a postcard. You just got a postcard?

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I did. I got a postcard finally. I'm not around postcards very often, so I hope I'm not mixing

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up people. If I am, I feel very bad. But if this is the correct person, postcard's coming

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soon. Fantastic.

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And if you out there would like to support the show like these wonderful wonks have done,

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you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the

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show. We would appreciate it. Yes, absolutely. And if you have requested

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a button, thank God, but I have finally gotten up off my lazy cop ass.

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Well, you should blame the shipping department, which is you.

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That's a different hat I wear. That guy's a fucking lazy piece of shit.

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You need to break heads in that shop, man. That union is too strong.

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Come on, man. Come on, man. Fair day's work. Fair day's pay. That's all

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I'm saying. Fair enough. But you recently just sent out all the button

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requests that we have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sent out, we literally

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have one button left. So I sent out all of our buttons if you requested a button. Hopefully

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it will be coming soon if you are in England and requested a button. I bought an international

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stamp, but I honestly don't know how that works, so it might show up. It might just

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go to England. Yup. So thank you all for requesting them buttons.

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They should be coming. So now, Jordan, we need to make good on something

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here today, and that is a at least year old time travel suggestion.

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Hey, somebody's in that department. Time travel department.

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That one's me. Yeah. So Jim, Policy Wonk Jim, actually came to Chicago and got some drinks

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with him, and I was supposed to do a time travel episode for him, and I delayed on it.

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Now that I have re-asked him what his date was that he wanted me to do, I got everything

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fucking backwards. So I didn't want to do the episode a year and a half ago or whenever

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he requested it, because the date that I was looking at for it was the day that Benjamin

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Netanyahu came and addressed Congress. Right.

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And Alex had some very weird thoughts on it, and I didn't think we were in a position to

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know what was weird and what wasn't for Alex to be saying.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. Good point. So I didn't want to do that, but I wanted

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to get to it down the road. So I forgot. But I felt-

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So there we go. But I would constantly be reminded whenever

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I would think about the time travel episodes, shit, I got to get to that one.

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Yeah. But by the time I was sitting down to really

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get it prepared, I'd forgotten what date he actually requested. So I sent Jim a message.

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What date would you like us to do? We're finally going to get around to it. So sorry.

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And Jim was like, Jesus fucking Christ, really? Yeah.

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Okay. He said September 1st. I'm not sure what year.

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So that is not the date- Oh, that's when the Twin Towers fell.

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Nope. That is not the date that Benjamin Netanyahu came to the United States, so we're not doing

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that. Although maybe because we were so bad about

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doing this in time, we'll do that episode for him too.

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About a year and a half from now? Right. But he said September 1st of whatever

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year. So I ran with that. We got to do what we can to make things right. So I chose September

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1st, 2011 because I feel like that's a time period that we don't know a whole lot about.

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2011? That's in the sweet spot between our two investigations.

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Somewhat, yeah. And I think that we have a pretty good sense of after December 2012,

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things get real weird for him because that's when Sandy Hook happened.

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That's when Sandy Hook happened? In December 2012, yes.

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Gotcha. And so I had a sense of like, let's see where

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he's at. I think that's the sweet spot for a random year choice. So I chose 2011. This

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episode's weird, man. I don't know. He's already claimed that the Sandy Hook kids

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are crisis actors? No, but actually-

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A year in advance? Since I obliquely brought that up, I want

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to address the structure of the show moving forward a little bit. I think I'm done with

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2009 for now. I went and listened to Tax Day. We were going to cover that for today's episode

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and do this episode on Wednesday, but it's just nothing. The show is really bad. It's

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really boring. The only thing to take away from it would be two clips of him basically

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expressing exactly what we've said about him getting in board with the Tea Party. That

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he believes that Ron Paul and the 9-11 Truth Movement is responsible for the Tea Parties

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and Glenn Beck and his ilk are stealing it. So we've come to the conclusion, there's not

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really a whole lot left there. I think it would be better use of our time to jump to

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a new investigation. And I've said that I think Occupy Wall Street would be a good investigation.

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I think that Ebola timeline would be an interesting one, but the one that I want to do the most-

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The alternate timeline where everybody got Ebola and died?

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The one where Alex is a liberal. Also, the one I want to do most is Sandy Hook. I want

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to start on the day of Sandy Hook and see what Alex says moving forward. So I want to

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soft pitch that and see what the audience thinks. If you guys think that that's a good

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idea, let me know. I would like that to be what our Monday episodes are moving forward.

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That's going to be emotionally intense.

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It may be. It might be deceptively not that emotionally intense.

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It's possible.

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He might ignore it for a long time. I don't know.

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That's possible.

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We might find... Who knows what we might find by opening that box up? Anyway-

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Sandy Hook kids are all crisis actors, day two. Where did ice cream go? Didn't we just

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eat ice cream?

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I don't know. I think that that might be the best use of our time. I think we could find

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a more detailed version of what he was up to in that time. But I understand if a large

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portion of our audience would think that that would be somehow... Like you're expressing,

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too heavy or something like that. And if so, then maybe the Occupy Wall Street would be

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the next one to jump to.

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But whatever it is, I want to jump to a new investigation. I'm a little bit raw on 2009

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at the moment. I don't feel like there's a lot of answers left there.

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Gotcha.

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In April at least. I think later in 2009 there probably is. So yeah, that's that. Let's get

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to the show.

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Oh, do we do a show?

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Yeah.

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I thought we were just doing production meetings on air.

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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2011, September 1st, here's an out of context drop from today's show.

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You don't have to take vaccines. It's not the law. You can spank your children.

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Okay. It's the law.

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I feel like that should be switched around.

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You don't have to take vaccines.

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No, you do have to take vaccines.

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And you can spank the hell out of your children.

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You should not be allowed to spank the hell out of your children. Switch them around.

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This episode takes a lot of time with Alex talking about whether or not it's appropriate

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for people to hit kids.

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That seems odd.

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It's 2011, right?

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Yep.

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It's not 1911.

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Yep.

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It's 2011.

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It's weird. And I didn't think his angle on it would be what it is. I thought it would

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be very different from everything.

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Yes, but only with rocks.

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From what I can tell, he is staunchly pro hitting kids.

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That sounds right.

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Which we'll get through. But before we do, Alex starts off the show with an announcement

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that I thought was the definition of trivial.

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Welcome ladies and gentlemen. Welcome and thank you so much for joining us. It is Thursday,

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the first day of September 2011. And we're going to be live here for the next three hours.

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We have Alex Schaeffer joining us at the bottom of the hour. He is the Southern California

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based painter who painted images of the town burning and of a bank burning and the police

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were called by a good see something, say something citizen. And the FBI was dispatched. We're

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going to be talking to him.

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So he has this guy, Alex Schaeffer on, and we'll listen to a tiny bit of his interview,

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but just to give you the details of this, oh, the broad strokes, if I remember.

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No, no, stop it. Bad. Bad deal.

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He's a guy who set up and was outside painting a Chase bank, but it was also painting it

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on fire.

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That's pretty funny.

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Someone who walked by was like, this is weird, and probably told police that maybe you should

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check in on that guy. And they checked in and just wrote an incident report about it

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and it's not a big deal.

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I agree noticing it's weird. I disagree calling the cops.

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No, totally.

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Yeah. No snitches.

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I would say that there's a fair conversation that this person should have minded their

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own business. But also, if this guy wasn't a white dude, he probably would have gotten

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actually arrested.

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That's kind of what I was... At this point in time, it is almost a negative moral choice

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to call the cops. It is almost an act of violence to call the cops at this point.

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That's something I was talking about with my parents when I was in Austin. The first

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night that we were there, next door, there was a huge raging college party until about

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three in the morning, and none of us could sleep. And one of the things I was talking

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to my dad about was like, this sucks, but it's probably awful, the idea of calling the

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police right now. Because what you could accidentally bring into somebody's life, who knows? Maybe

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there's someone who's undocumented, who's at that party, and then they have to leave

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the country or something like that. There's so many unintended consequences from calling

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the police that it's weird to think about now.

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No, if you call the cops on a black person, that is almost attempted murder. It kind of

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really is.

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Attempted strong. But I know what you're saying, and I don't disagree with the idea that you're

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putting forth. But the point is that this guy just got a talking to from the cop, because

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he was painting a building on fire as he was looking at that building.

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Pretty funny.

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I have some questions.

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That's pretty funny.

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I would probably come talk to him like, hey, what's up, weirdo?

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Was he just like a regular painter?

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Yeah, he was just a painter.

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He was just a regular painter who just...

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Painting.

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Who just decided that he wasn't like a mural guy. He was just like a jobber, just going

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in there painting.

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No, no, no, no. Not like a house painter.

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Oh, he's not a house painter.

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No, he's like easel.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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He's painting the... Yeah.

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Okay.

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I'm not sure what you're imagining, but it's strange.

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I was imagining just a regular old painter wearing the white overalls and the white hat.

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You know, the painter from the 1970s? I don't know why that's the painter I'm thinking of.

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That's not the case. That's not what we're talking about here.

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So in this next clip, Alex has big news, and that is that Ron Paul agrees with him about

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stuff.

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Okay. That is huge news.

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But at this point, the Iowa Straw Poll had happened already for the coming 2012 elections.

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And of course, as we remember, Michelle Bachmann won that with Ron Paul coming in a close second

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because Mitt Romney said that he wasn't taking part in straw polls, only caucuses and primaries.

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I remember Michelle Bachmann's statement she put out after she won that primary or that

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straw poll, which was just...

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She was very thrilled, very thrilled.

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So in this next clip, Alex talks about Ron Paul, his momentum, and then disparages the

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fact that he got beat by Michelle Bachmann because she was cheating.

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Ron Paul, feds preparing for breakdown of law and order.

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I was able to confirm his views that he gave Robert Wanick, reporter, a few weeks ago at

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the Iowa Ames Straw Poll, that he was a statistical tie with Bachmann who bought 90% plus of her

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votes.

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And I brought up the FEMA centers, and he agreed that they're preparing for collapse

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because they understand what's happening in the economy because they've engineered it.

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So I don't particularly care about this, but Alex seems to be surprised by Ron Paul agreeing

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with him on this, which shouldn't be happening in 2011.

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If you've already been like Ron Paul comes on your show all the time, like you guys are

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buddies, you've been supporting him since the 2008 election, it shouldn't be news that

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he agrees with you about FEMA camps.

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That implies that for years he hasn't said that or something.

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That's a good point.

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Right.

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So that's weird.

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I don't really care about that.

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Second, Michelle Bachmann buys all her votes at the straw poll or whatever.

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Sure.

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Is that how that works?

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I guess so.

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Like any time there's something inconvenient to Alex's political narrative of how things

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are going, paid protesters, they bought the votes, they shipped in the illegals, all that.

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No matter what, any time a fact is inconvenient, fuck it, there's a conspiracy behind it.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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That sounds right.

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Smart.

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That's good thinking.

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Is she using campaign funds to buy those votes?

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Probably.

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Or is she using those former governor of Minnesota monies?

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Who knows, man.

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Could be anything, could be all of it.

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Totally inconsequential because almost immediately after this, Alex starts talking about kids

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getting hit in schools.

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That sounds right.

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That sounds like corporal punishment.

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And I was certain when I started hearing him talk that I was going to hear him say like,

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these goddamn teachers never lay a hand on a kid.

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Really?

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I thought for sure.

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No chance of that in my mind.

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He hates schools.

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Never got there.

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My first default was he would say, why aren't those paddles with the holes in them anymore?

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Why aren't we using devices that were specifically invented to hurt children more?

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I thought he would be so against the idea that there are public schools and stuff like

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that, that by virtue of the fact that they're run by the globalist and UNESCO makes their

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information that they put out, the unified curricula and what have you, by virtue of

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that, teachers are suspect, ergo, they can't hit your kids.

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I thought for sure that would override whatever I like the idea of violence stuff would.

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But no, he didn't blow my mind.

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That's not fair.

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But he really took me aback for a second when he starts talking about this and he seems

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to be really into the idea of teachers hitting kids.

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Why?

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Well, in this first clip, he sort of expresses that it's better than them getting arrested,

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but that is reliant on a false dichotomy.

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There are only two choices.

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There's either we hit your kids or the cops hit your kids.

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Sure.

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That's a problem in thinking.

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Yeah, yeah, that's an issue.

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But here, let Alex speak his piece and then we will we'll see where he's at.

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They want to destroy law and order.

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So yes.

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In the name of allowing banking and corporal punishment in schools, they passed a law restricting

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the right of the independent school district, which I don't like government training centers

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and I wouldn't put my child in them, but some people don't have a choice.

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And if you're going to put them in there, they've got to maintain order.

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But see, instead, in a few areas in Illinois and New York where they do not have corporal

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punishment, dodgeball is not allowed either because it's seen as aggressive.

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That's where they have the shootings.

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That's where the teachers are getting attacked.

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That's where your kids are being beaten up.

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That's where there's absolutely no control.

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But then if there's a little fistfight or a scuffle or even kids shake hands, not allowed

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in many schools, the police are called to instead of being run around the track till

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you throw up or being given a few painful pops that don't hurt you physically, but you're

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lying instead of that, you said painful.

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You're just going to go to a jail cell when you're 13 and they're 17 year olds in there.

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They're going to take you in the shower and they're going to rape you and they're going

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to give you as T.D.

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And that's what goes on every day.

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That's a little much.

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You know what, he's almost there with the school to prison pipeline, but he's way off

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on the solution.

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I also think that, I mean, when you're really looking at it, I agree, Alex, we should reform

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the prisons and the child detention centers.

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Sure.

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Isn't that the answer?

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Nope.

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Not let the coach hit him?

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Or let the teacher give him a couple painful pops?

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Those don't hurt you physically though.

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I don't know, painful suggests physical harm.

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I don't understand how he sees the problem of like an assault at a detention facility

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or, you know, whatever.

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He sees that problem and his solution is let the fucking teachers beat their ass.

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Yes.

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Like the solution is, you know, systemic reform of the place where the assault is happening.

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But hey, let's introduce all this archaic old, you know, sort of respect your teachers

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or you get the hit.

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Did juvie exist in the 1800s?

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I'm not sure.

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They kept order just fine, didn't they?

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I don't know if they did.

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Yes, they did.

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Of course.

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If you remember Anne of Green Gables, she got hit all the time.

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I'm not sure that makes your case.

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I think it does.

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So he loves the idea of like, and you know what, here's the other thing too, like just

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the idea of like a teacher giving you a couple of pops or whatever, terrible.

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But the idea of like being run until you throw up is a emotional abuse too.

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Oh, yeah.

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Because there is the like, if you don't complete the punishment I'm ascribing to you, you are

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weak.

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There's that level.

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And then if you're doing that, if you're running until you can't run anymore or something like

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that, it's also a public shaming.

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Like everyone else is watching you do the running.

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Right.

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And stuff like that.

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And it's all upon layers of like abuse that Alex is really into when it's being directed

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towards children, which is really fucked up and I did not expect to find this.

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Do you know what the problem is?

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They make those kids run and run and run until they throw up and that's because they stop

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using the stocks for public humiliation.

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You just put a big stock right back next to the basketball court and you have the kid

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hang in there, everybody gets to throw a few painful pop tomatoes at them and then everybody

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moves on.

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So I kind of thought that that was going to be the extent of it in being like these child

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detention centers and stuff like juvenile hall is a bad place that we don't want kids

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to go to and the only solution and the best way to deal with that is prior abuse to get

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them in line.

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I thought that that kind of bad thinking was going to be it, but Alex does an hour about

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this.

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Really?

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He does an hour and in this next clip he starts talking about the problem with liberals.

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That's the problem.

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The problem with liberals is they need to hit their kids more.

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You can't go to a movie with your children and not watch the liberals come in and just

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gripe at their kids and get in their face and needle them and psychologically mess with

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them and peck at them and I mean I had to leave a movie a month ago with my children

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because in the ten minutes before these people were, these socialists were in front of me

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and I heard enough to then to hear that they actually were basically socialists and they

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had like this three year old daughter.

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They were totally screwing up, just needling her and telling her this and that and guaranteed

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they don't disappoint her.

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These are mentally ill people.

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They've taken control of our society.

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They've totally wrecked it and they love it.

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So he ran into some socialists who were obviously expressing their economic beliefs while at

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the same time needling a three year old.

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They were saying that the three year old wasn't doing enough to help seize the means of production

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at the movie theater for the workers.

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The concession stand needs to be unionized and everyone needs to work together and that

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baby isn't pulling its part.

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That's probably true though.

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Just talking about its dipey.

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The baby was like, oh, trickle down economics actually works and they were like, no, Reagan

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was evil.

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No, they didn't yell at the kid.

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They needled it.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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Oh, you think Reagan was so great.

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Don't you little baby.

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Don't you little baby.

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They're sarcastically mocking the economic ideas of a three year old.

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That image is so fucking funny.

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Oh God.

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And Alex had to leave the theater.

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This didn't happen at all.

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It's so hilarious.

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What kind of imaginary situation is this?

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It's crazy.

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But it's also reliant on this idea that liberals don't hit their kids enough and they do stuff

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like this.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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So in this next clip, Alex develops this theme a little bit more and talks about how liberals

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not only are bad at raising kids, of course, you can't raise anything like plants, maybe

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a plant.

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I learned what what all the old timers said from experience.

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You you let them be lazy.

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You start getting problems as soon as you start getting on them, then they're a lot

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happier.

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It's like a dog.

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You don't train a puppy.

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It's going to be absolutely miserable and have a horrible life.

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You train it.

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It's going to be happier, smarter.

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People are going to like it.

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First of all, we're going to get to his later theme here, but that is a fucked up way to

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look at kids.

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I think.

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I mean, when you compare it to training a dog, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, this should be in his custody stuff like this.

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This is an episode that should be played in his custody hearing.

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He's comparing child raising to having a dog.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's not.

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Yeah, that's great.

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Damn liberals.

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It's I mean, I challenge you.

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A study should be done at dog parks.

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Don't ask people.

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Are you a conservative or are you a liberal?

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Have them mark down a note and observe them for a month when they come to the dog park.

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And I'm telling you, when liberals on average have animals, it is because they're so nice.

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They let the dog bite your dog.

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They let their dog act weird.

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They let their dog urinate on the carpet.

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They let the dog run off and get run over by a car.

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They don't understand any laws of anything because they were taught to be rudderless

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by the social engineers.

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So you can't if you're a liberal, you can't really raise a dog because you allow it to

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do weird things.

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I don't know in the realm of dogs what weird like wearing a beanie or a propeller beanie.

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That's weird for a dog.

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Liberals do.

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Liberals are more likely to dress up their dogs in costume.

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Right.

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But I do think that is true.

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That's not allowing weird behavior on the dog.

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It's projecting a personality on the dog.

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That's of your own accord.

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And don't tell me that conservatives don't do that to fair.

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That's that's absurd.

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Fair, fair.

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You're right.

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I think the ladies who think Barack Obama is the great Satan also probably put their

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dogs in dog boots.

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So if we take the conclusion that Alex is sort of presenting here, it is also that you

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should beat your dog.

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It is kind of that.

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I mean, I know that's not what he's saying, but it's it and I I'm using loose lips here

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in terms of like you should beat because he's not saying like abuse in a in a like a pummeling

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kind of way.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm going to go with beating is still well, still bad.

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What he would want to just be talking about is spanking in the home.

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But because he's comparing it to corporal violence and punishment in schools being OK,

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it does.

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It does cross that line a little bit into things that are appropriate.

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It is.

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It is insane to me because studying is not really cool either.

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Study after study has has proven that if you use violence against your kids, they're far

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more likely to be violent later on in life.

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It is not they become nicer and cool.

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It is that you're just breeding violence over and over and over again.

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Mild spanking is appropriate in certain settings when there's like a life threatening condition

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or something like that, like running into traffic or something like that.

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I believe from my understanding of the literature on it, the sociologists, psychologists agree

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that in those sorts of instances, it's OK.

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But once you expand it into a punishment, once you expand spanking into something that

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is then associated with behaviors and things like that, that's where you run into trouble.

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And I don't think Alex is interested in the nuance of that and and the damaging effects

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that can be the result of that.

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Yeah.

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That's what he's saying people should do.

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Girls don't do it enough.

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And also they don't beat their dogs.

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It's it's crazy to me because all of those guys who are like, I got hit when I was a

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kid and I turned out fine, it's like, dude, I got hit when I was a kid.

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First off, you didn't turn out fine.

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And second, neither did I. Right.

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I did not turn out fine.

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Right.

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And generally those excuses or those sorts of sentiments are being expressed when someone

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is trying to justify them hitting their kids.

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Exactly.

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And in other ways, like I sure I spank my kid for a punitive sort of thing, but I got

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spanked when I was a kid with a belt and I turned out fine.

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Not realizing that what you're doing is expressing exactly how this is passed down.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I what I got hit when I was a kid and I decided that it's a good idea to continue the endless

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cycle of violence.

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Everybody knows that creating more violent young men is a great idea, right?

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Sure.

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So he's talking about how liberals can't raise dogs.

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There's socialists in the movie theater who needle their children when they should be

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disciplining them or whatever.

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But at this point, he's kind of a little vague on his definition of liberal.

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So you might just think he's talking about Democrats, any of that stuff.

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But no, in this next clip, he legit defines what he means by liberal is a disappointing

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definition.

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When I get up here and I say liberals are a bunch of gibbering moron idiots, hi, I'm

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not talking about some organic farmer who sees themselves as a liberal.

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See, it's all these labels.

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Huh?

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Thomas Jefferson was a liberal.

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But Thomas Jefferson is diametrically opposed to what a liberal is today.

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I'm talking about these people that are scared of snakes, scared of guns, scared of the countryside,

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scared of cow.

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Yep.

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Why did you start with snakes?

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Snakes are, look, do you know who is the most disappointing liberal of all?

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Indiana Jones.

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Indiana Jones.

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You bet.

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Look, why do you start with snakes?

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Guns, I get.

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I get that serves his sort of political definitions and stuff.

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And the countryside, fine.

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You don't like people who are rural living or whatever.

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Snakes?

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Well, Rex was just-

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Snakes are something that a lot of people are afraid of.

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Rex was just out in the Texas countryside and he was like, oh no, I'm afraid of snakes.

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And Alex was like, well, I guess I have to hit you now.

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Don't gibbering liberal.

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Yeah.

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But now he goes to cows too, I guess, which is the same problem as snakes, but here we

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go.

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... scared of everything.

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They're scared of everything, but things that they shouldn't be scared of.

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What I'm saying is they're scared of things that they really shouldn't be that scared

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of and then things that they should be scared of.

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They have no basic instincts of understanding, no government, big, powerful groups getting

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together.

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That's what can really destroy societies and kill a lot of people and enslave a lot of

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people and humiliate a lot of people and turn great societies into very sour societies.

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So now we know that Alex's definition of liberal-

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Did he say they turn grape societies into very sour societies?

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It sounds like he did say that.

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So a liberal is one who is afraid of snakes, but not of the government.

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Right.

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Good to know.

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Yes.

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Good to know.

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That sounds right.

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Yeah.

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That sounds really right.

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Huh.

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Not sure I agree with that definition.

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I'm not a poli-sci major or anything like that.

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I don't have a degree, but I don't think that that accurately depicts the political spectrum.

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Just saying.

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Well, I mean, these polarized, like we're in a more polarized nation than ever before.

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True.

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And if you see these polls, there's like 88% of liberals disapprove of the job that Trump

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is doing, and they also agree that snakes are bad.

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Well, so many liberals aren't afraid of Joe Rogan, and as we know, sneaky snake.

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Sneaky snake.

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So that kind of throws-

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That throws a wrench in there.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Does he, does he, like, you should-

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The answer's no.

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You should at least be like specific snakes.

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Because I'm not afraid of a garden snake?

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Okay.

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I'm not afraid of a-

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What?

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You want a medal?

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You're not afraid of a garden snake?

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Well, apparently I'm not a liberal anymore.

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Nope.

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Gotta give your card back.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately.

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DSA just kicked me out.

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I don't know, man.

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I think, I think it's rational to be scared of all snakes.

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Even though some of them aren't dangerous, yeah, I think it's still probably, they move

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weird.

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I think there's an instinctual, like, human discomfort with things that crawl around on

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their belly and slither.

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Well, and also-

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It's a weird way to move.

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There's also that whole they bite you and you die thing.

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Well, that's-

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Like, that's, like-

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Yeah.

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And most people don't know the difference.

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Not all of us are crocodile Dundee over here.

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Right, right, right.

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Not all of us.

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Most of us are Indiana Jones, though, in that we are afraid of snakes.

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That is true.

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So, in this next clip, he gets back to talking about how teachers should be able to just

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go ahead and hit your kids if they want to, if they deem them out of line, basically.

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But Alex is, like, the part that I find very uncomfortable about this is he seems to be

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pining for the times when that could happen, when he is an adult and is not subject to

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that sort of thing, and he would never allow his kids to be put in that situation.

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And see, it's so alien today that just 50 years ago, people wouldn't bat an eyelash

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if the football coach gave ten pops to their son, and if the sun bowed up and hit the football

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coach, and the football coach broke his jaw.

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What?

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Uh-

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And, quite frankly-

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It could lead to disciplinary action?

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Back in the old days, if the teenager ended up beating up the coach, everybody kind of

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bowed down to him.

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I'm not going to tell any stories.

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The point is-

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You just did.

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The point is that we have gone from a manhood-based society to a scientific, ninnying society

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that is not altruistic and just failing and wrong.

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It's designed to make us a bunch of weak jellyfish.

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Option two, option two, let me re-up on option two.

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What's that?

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Scientifically-based ninnies.

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I'm fine with that.

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Super fine with that.

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Option two, no manhood society.

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Yeah.

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I mean, so he's trying to express that he beat up his football coach 100%.

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That's what he's trying- and everyone bowed down to it.

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Everybody was like, yeah.

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Which makes me very uncomfortable, and I don't believe- that's as believable as the socialist

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at the movie theater story, but I think what he's describing is a profoundly fucked up

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situation.

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The idea that a coach would punch a kid ten times, first of all, too many times, second

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of all, kid hits him back, and then the coach breaks his jaw, and Alex is like, no one would

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bat an eyelash at that.

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I think even back then, someone might bat an eyelash.

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I would hope so.

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I think that that goes beyond what is acceptable, even in the times when corporal punishment

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was much more regular in schools.

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Now, Jordan, it's really interesting.

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When you look at the map of states that still allow corporal punishment in schools-

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South.

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Man.

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It's pretty much just the south.

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I didn't even-

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Nope.

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Don't even- it's the south.

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It's the south.

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It's pretty much just the south, with a little bit of the Midwest thrown in, like Missouri

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and Kentucky.

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Both, basically the south.

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And then Wyoming, where it's legal, but not used in any public schools anymore.

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So it's still legal, but it's kind of a vestigial thing.

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This may be slightly dated info, as some of the states here that I'm gonna discuss may

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have passed laws since the 2016 map I was working off of from NPR.

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Things might have changed since then, but it's legitimately jarring to see the geographical

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split so clearly defined.

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The more likely a state was to be a part of the Confederacy, the more likely it is that

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they still allow corporal punishment in schools.

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Those are things you can track pretty clearly.

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Our children's butts will swell again.

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Is that what they're- the south will rise again, and swelling.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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In 1977, the Supreme Court decided, five to four, the corporal punishment did not constitute

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cruel and unusual punishment, nor did it deny the student in question of due process.

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In the case Ingraham versus Wright.

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That case involved a 14-year-old, eighth grade student, who didn't promptly leave an auditorium

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when asked to by a teacher.

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At that point, he was taken to the principal's office, restrained, and struck with a paddle

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at least 20 times.

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A paddling so severe, the child suffered a hematoma that required medical attention and

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was advised by doctors to rest for 11 days.

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Another student at the school had received a paddling that allegedly was so severe, he

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was unable to use his arms for a brief period of time.

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Nothing cruel and unusual about that, according to our legal system.

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Pretty fucked up.

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I mean, I guess unusual, like if you have to use both of those words, like it is 100%

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cruel, but it is not unusual for the south.

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It's both to me.

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All but 19 states now have laws prohibiting corporal punishment in public schools.

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But look at this.

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Only two states, Iowa and New Jersey, have passed laws about hitting kids in private

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schools.

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Those are the only two states out of the 50 that have rules about what private schools

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can do to your children.

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Dude, you don't want to regulate private enterprise.

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You don't want to keep corporations from dumping toxic waste into our natural parks, and you

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definitely don't want to keep corporations from hitting our kids.

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Interestingly, a 2016 study in the journal Social Policy lays out some interesting information

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found by digging into data gathered from school districts that allow corporal punishment.

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Imagine my surprise to read that black students are way more likely to receive corporal punishment,

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in some states, as much as five times more likely than white students.

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Equally troubling, their research revealed that students with protected disability statuses

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were similarly more likely to be recipients of corporal punishment in schools.

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All of their data was examined for possible explanations that didn't involve bias and

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punishment, but they were all excluded by further examination of the data.

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Pure and simple, black students, male students, and students with disabilities were consistently

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the target of disproportionate punishment in terms of corporal punishment.

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Their summary is crystal clear.

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Quote, the data make clear that where school corporal punishment continues to be used,

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it is typically used disproportionately with some subgroups of children more likely to

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be corporally punished than others.

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They went in and found that, like, obviously, there's a bias in terms of, like, suspensions

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and expulsions.

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South!

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Well, there is a very large discrepancy in expulsions and suspensions that is on a racial

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basis.

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Absolutely.

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Even controlling for other factors in terms of, like, what percentage of the school is

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black and what is white, it is disproportionately applied, those punishments towards black

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students.

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Of course.

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A similar trend is found when you look at corporal punishment.

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For similar infractions, irregardless of populations, like, majority black school, majority white

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school, any of that stuff, it doesn't matter, across the board, black students are far more

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likely in almost every locale that they studied to be the recipients of this.

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And that is, as awful as that is, you kind of expect it because of how bad we think humans

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are.

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Yeah.

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You kind of expect that.

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The revelation of looking at this was the disability students, the people with protected

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disability statuses.

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Like, that's really fucked up, the idea that corporal punishment is consistently used at

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a higher level on students who are disabled is really troubling.

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You know, it makes sense to me, mainly because I know how much abuse happens in, like, old

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folks' homes.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why.

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In nursing homes and the like.

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Because they're easy.

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Because they're easy targets.

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Because rather than being, because they're clearly like, I'm frustrated, I can't talk

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to you as fast as I normally talk to people, so I'm just going to hit you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and who knows how much of it is based on that.

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I don't know.

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And the study stops short of making any kind of, like, this is why this is the case or

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anything like that.

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Yeah, yeah, psychological analysis of some sort.

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Yeah.

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And so, and I can't really come up with a good reason other, I mean, your idea is fine.

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I don't know if that's the case, but, like, it's really fucked up.

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I mean, just based on the fact that there are these statistical anomalies that you find

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in terms of who is the recipient of these corporal punishments, that's enough that we

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shouldn't do it ever again.

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Like, it should be outlawed across the country just based on it being used as a systematic

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tool against certain subgroups.

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And if Alex wants to get on board with that, male students were one of those subgroups

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that were disproportionately affected by the corporal punishment.

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So he wants to, you know, stand up for men and stuff like that.

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He could do that.

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Unfortunately, he thinks that getting hit in schools makes you better as a man.

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So God, it is it is something that never, ever fails to be a massive disappointment,

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no matter how many times you hear it.

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But a black child at seven years old is told already that you're worse than other people

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and is then hit.

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And this continues for their entire life, for their entire life in the United States.

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It is a constant, it is something that is constant.

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Like it's unreal.

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I think based on the data, all they can say is that they are, that happens to them at

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a much elevated rate comparatively.

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Fair enough.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But your point is very real, it sucks.

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So I was looking at all this stuff and I was trying to make sense of it because I know

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that Alex hates violence against children.

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He talks about it all the time.

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Like it's one of his biggest issues now.

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I mean, it's imagined violence against children.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Satanic blood drinking and what have you.

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But you would think that the trend would still be towards, hey, the data's clear.

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This is bad.

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I understand if you want to have a debate about in the home whether or not spanking

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is good.

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You know, I understand where that gets messy.

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You know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I get you.

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I'm squarely on the side of you shouldn't spank kids except in those severe situations

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that it may or may not be necessary.

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But I do understand where the debate is a little bit, I guess.

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I guess.

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I don't think-

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It's the vaccine debate.

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Somewhat.

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Maybe.

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I don't think that there is much of a debate about school violence.

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Oh, no, absolutely not.

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I don't think so.

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And for Alex to think that there is not only debate about it, the other side is right.

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The side that says hating kids is cool is very weird to me.

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And so I was wondering where the fuck does this come from?

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Because it has to come from somewhere.

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There's an idea, a belief somewhere that's powering this.

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And he says this in the next clip, or I think he expresses where it's from, but it's still

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confusing.

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And so under common law, when you give your child-

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Common law.

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And that's in the penal codes, go read it.

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In every state, when you give your child to anyone to be their guardian, they now can

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use reasonable force to protect that child and to order that child.

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And that reasonable force goes up.

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Child's throwing a fit, throwing things around.

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You can restrain them, spank them, whatever's needed.

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The child starts attacking people with a weapon.

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Now you can defend yourself.

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I don't like the way you said that now you can defend yourself, as if you get to now.

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You know?

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The phrasing is interesting.

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It's unpleasant.

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It's unpleasant.

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You can't just go out and shoot somebody, no matter how much you want to.

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But if somebody breaks into your home, guess what?

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You get to shoot somebody.

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You've always wanted to, now you get the chance.

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So that was weird.

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I mean, he's talking about common law.

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And we know that that's where a lot of his weird sovereignty citizen kind of beliefs

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come from.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like hearkening back to common law.

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So I want to say, off the bat, I'm not 100% sure that I know what he's talking about,

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but the idea that teachers are legal guardians for the students, and that somehow you give

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up your rights whenever you send a student to school, that sort of thing.

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That doesn't sound right.

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It's not.

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But there is something that's close to it.

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So if I had to guess, I would say that this is a reference to the in loco parentis principle.

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But even this is super weird.

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In loco parentis, just sort of in place of parent, that sort of principle, was something

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that was established by Cheadle Home School in Manchester in 1855.

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But it wasn't that weird for them to declare themselves parental over their students, since

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that was largely a school for orphans and wards of the state.

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I was literally about to say that's an orphan school.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So that is like where this idea comes from, this like boarding school type of place where

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the parents are dead.

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So your brain doesn't have to stretch too far to get that.

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No, in the 1850s in Manchester, either your parents were dead or your kids were dead.

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There really wasn't much middle ground.

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So the idea of in loco parentis is a vague concept that really doesn't have much legal

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backing on its own, and in fact has been regularly eroded by Supreme Court decisions.

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West Virginia State Board of Education versus Barnett from 1943 ruled that students couldn't

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be forced to salute the flag, which means that the students have First Amendment rights

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in the schools that they wouldn't have in their own home.

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So there's a difference already in terms of that, and it's a substantial difference.

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In cases like Tinker versus Des Moines Independent Community School District and New Jersey versus

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TLO, the court found that officials of the schools operate as representatives of the

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state and not purely in some sort of parental capacity towards students.

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So many of the protections from state abuse offered to citizens also applied to students.

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Now, granted the history of a lot of these decisions, that's not nearly the entirety

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of it, and it's way more complicated than that.

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I really wish this weren't true, but I swear to God I misheard you, and I heard E-L-O,

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and I was like, whoa, the Electric Light Orchestra's involved in this?

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They wanted to hit kids.

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Little known fact.

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Take the long way home, yeah, to avoid a switch.

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So one of the important things to consider is that the roots of a lot of the educational

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systems, particularly in this country, were in religion.

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As schools became more secular in nature, a lot of these weird ideas about authority

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changed a little bit to reflect the changing priority as being actual education as opposed

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to schools being a place where you got moral instruction.

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You'll notice that in Catholic and private schools, they still haven't changed that much,

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and those are the places where corporal punishment is legally protected much more.

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Protected, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So these are the ideas of where this in loco parentis stuff sort of, where it had sway,

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and the sway has eroded.

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Our public school system as it exists now has no business being engaged in this sort

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of thing.

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Absolutely not.

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Because teachers aren't, well, they're an authority figure in as much as, you know,

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they're an authority figure.

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Right.

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But they're not in the sense of like the Catholic priest who's over the school who is there

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to safeguard the virtue of all the students and all that stuff.

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It's very different.

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So while in loco parentis type ideas haven't entirely disappeared, they've eased up considerably

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in the past 100 years.

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You still see some things like on a college campus, they'll say it's a dry campus where

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there's a zero tolerance policy towards alcohol, even though students there may be of legal

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drinking age.

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These are remnants of this legal principle that we've all just kind of decided to live

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with, and I'm not entirely sure why.

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But here's the larger...

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Same way with daylight savings time.

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Yeah.

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We're all like, this is dumb, but I guess we're just not gonna change it.

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Here, Jordan, is the larger issue.

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Alex cannot be supportive of this sort of in loco parentis common law bullshit in order

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to justify teachers hitting students, and at the same time be so opposed to schools

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placing restrictions on students bringing guns to college campuses.

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The entire principle he's arguing for is that students do not enjoy the same rights as they

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do in the outside world at schools, and that needs to extend to guns too if he actually

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thinks this is a real principle.

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Of course, he doesn't since he actively worked to try and disrupt the efforts to ban firearms

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on the UT Austin campus, and he's now hired Caitlin Bennett as a reporter who's really

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only famous for carrying a gun on the Kent State campus.

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So you understand a lot of these in loco parentis ideas only exist nowadays as these

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sort of weird restrictions that exist.

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And they existed until the 70s in terms of you could be kicked out of school if you dated

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the wrong sort of person or whatever.

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There was one case where there was, I can't remember the name of the court case, I wish

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it could, but there was a restaurant on campus and the university were like, you guys can't

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go to that restaurant, it was bad or whatever, and that was deemed okay.

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That was just fine.

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Yeah.

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They have the right to say these students are not allowed to go to this restaurant.

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That doesn't sound right.

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No.

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And that sort of thing is still okay in private institutions, like private colleges can still

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do that sort of thing.

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That still doesn't sound okay.

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Public colleges can't.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's this very weird, except in Iowa and New Jersey.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Private colleges still can't do that.

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How is Iowa somehow out in front?

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A bastion.

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This is crazy.

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Child freedom.

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I don't know.

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It's really weird.

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But this idea that he has about like you give over your authority when you give these kids

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to the school or whatever, I don't know if he understands the ramifications of it.

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If he really believes that, then where does it end?

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If they can physically assault the kids, can they assault them in other ways?

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Can they teach them lies?

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What point do their fictional parental authorities end?

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So I don't know, man.

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It's just really weird.

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It's very, very, very weird.

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I don't understand where Alex's middle ground is or his center is, his truth.

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I think he just wants kids getting hit at schools because I think he thinks it makes

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them better and tougher or something like that.

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And I mean, no, absolutely, he's wrong.

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But if it comes from that common law thing, if that is really where he gets it from, then

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he has to be for so many school prohibitions that he ostensibly isn't for.

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So I just don't understand.

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It's too late in this podcast in terms of us doing it for two years now for me to be

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surprised that there's something that is inconsistent.

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So I'm just going to go ahead and put that baby to bed.

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Let's move on to this next clip where Alex really makes it seem like he wants kids getting

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hit.

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So they create a power vacuum.

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They take it away from parents, coaches, teachers, pastors, Boy Scout leaders, Girl Scout leaders.

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And now the young people don't respect you in any mammal animal kingdom.

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This is already wrong.

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I've seen it even on the nature shows.

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All you already value the whole on the ice killer whales are hunting and eating them.

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The mom bark, said him, comes over, nudges him away, goes over a second time.

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She comes over and really bark, said him and nibbles on him a little, just kind of starts

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to bite him as the same instinct.

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She does it further down his hind quarter, away from the eyes, don't want to hurt the

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baby seal.

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She's trying to keep him from being killed.

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That's can you talk to your kid?

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That's a good point.

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I don't know if these seals have schools where teachers hit kids, so that metaphor is falling

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apart already.

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Well, where do they go to learn how to honk those fucking horns?

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I don't think it's a...

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It has to be a school.

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I don't think it's a centralized school with in loco parentis rules for seals.

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I mean, it's crazy.

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It's absolute nonsense.

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But what he's describing there in terms of the animal kingdom, I don't know, I didn't

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watch the same nature special that he watched or whatever, but that goes to the times when

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spanking is appropriate.

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Like the idea of when the kid itself is in danger.

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When it's life threatening.

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Yeah, that sort of thing.

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That's where you can make sort of exceptions to that no spanking principle or whatever,

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from what I understand as someone who doesn't have kids and won't.

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So I...

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High five on that.

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So what he's describing in the animal kingdom is the analog to the possibly okay version

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of spanking a child, but he's trying to make that as like an analogy towards teachers and

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people in the schools hitting kids, and that just doesn't work for one reason.

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Again, like I said, seals don't have an educational system.

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And second, in a school, it's not a life threatening situation.

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It's always a punitive thing.

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It's always a physical punishment that you're doing to a kid.

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It's not appropriate.

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It's not productive.

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Nothing along those lines is okay.

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So he's trying to muddy the waters by using an animal analogy, and it's stupid.

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Does it ever cross any of these people's minds who are making these arguments about the animal

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kingdom?

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It's fine.

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That we're trying to improve?

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Do they ever get this like, well, if seals do it, then it's okay for us to do it.

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And it's like, dude, seals don't build stuff.

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So maybe we're trying to outpace the whole seal evolution.

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Right, right.

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Maybe we'd create a better society if we weren't exactly like seals.

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And just to say that something is a natural response to something doesn't mean it's a

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good response or is a productive response.

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Maybe the seals aren't getting anywhere because they abused their kids.

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That's not an argument I'm making, but maybe something an animal does that's totally natural

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isn't the best thing it could do.

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Sometimes we have higher cognitive functions.

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We could observe that behavior and then be like, oh, that's fucked up.

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Those animals do that.

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There's plenty of examples of that if you want to get into it.

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Look, I'm not a crocodile Dundee over here.

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It's natural for a praying mantis to kill its mate.

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So there you go.

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Sure.

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Solved.

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All right.

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So anyway, in this next clip, we talked a little bit about seals and now Alex wants

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to talk about deer.

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I have seen when I'm in a deer blind and fawns, maybe deer that are almost grown up, almost

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leaving their mother run out, but she smells something.

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She comes out, gets in front of them, tries to push them back in.

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They don't listen.

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You know what she did?

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I've seen both.

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She reaches over and bites them on the back.

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They kick and get angry, but then run off in the woods or shield.

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I've seen them turn around and kick them.

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Look, I smell a predator.

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You're about to get killed.

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Oh, but see, the liberals would say, walk right on out there.

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That really doesn't sound right to shoot that little deer.

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We're too busy being afraid of snakes.

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The point is, is I'm waiting for the big buck to come out, but she smells the smell of the

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creature that she knows kills deer.

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That's you, Alex.

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That's you.

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She smells a murderer, someone who commits murder on a regular basis to her family.

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She's a dumb deer, but she knows I'm bad news.

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All right.

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It's a weird story to be illustrating your point.

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And again, even in this metaphor, it still is that muddying the waters of what sort of

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is appropriate.

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That sort of thing.

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This is a life or death situation for that fawn because Alex is coming.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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No.

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Even if your kid walks out into traffic and there's a car coming and you're like, I don't

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know what to do, but I got to get this kid out of the way.

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If you jump kick the kid and he goes flying out of the way, that's abuse.

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But you did save his life.

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Sure.

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I hope he lives.

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If he doesn't live, it was all for naught.

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If you were a deer, that might be appropriate.

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Right.

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You know what you could do is just be like, hey, come back.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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If the kid understands those sorts of commands.

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But look, it's a mess.

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It's a mess.

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These metaphors don't work.

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His attempts to tie it to animal behavior doesn't work.

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And I got to stress, he does an hour on this.

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I can't believe he does an hour.

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It's very weird.

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Does he just choose different animals to compare it to?

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No.

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Those are the only two.

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Okay.

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But now he gets back to his main thesis and all I can really describe it as is he wants

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teachers hitting kids.

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Because it's common law and penal code for hundreds of years in this country that when

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someone turns their child over to the school, they are now the guardian.

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And I know I'm belaboring this, it's been a lot of time, but it's a big issue.

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And so the state tries to pass a law saying that schools can spank children because it's

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out of control.

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Because parents are saying, I can't spank, so why are you?

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You can spank, you idiots.

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So they pass a law saying now the parents have to give the approval.

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The parents give the approval when you put them in that school.

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I think if I had to guess, I don't think he really believes this is true.

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Absolutely not.

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Because it's ludicrous.

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But what I think he's doing is trying to spread more fear of public schools by being like

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whenever you put them in there, they own your kids or whatever.

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They won't hit your kids.

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Well, no, it's more...

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It's more that...

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And they're filled with snakes.

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It's more that you can hit your kids and spank them, go ahead, do whatever you want to do.

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And whenever you give over, you've already...

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If they're in the school, you've given up your guardianship to the school.

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Is that in a contract somewhere?

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It's not.

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In order to be a legal guardian for somebody, there's a whole legal process.

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The court has to recognize it.

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It's very complicated.

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The idea that your kids now...

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There are shades of legal guardianship in terms of like, hey, you're in a classroom,

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kid dies on your watch or something like that.

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You are responsible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There are shades of that to that extent, but not the way Alex is describing it.

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This is a ludicrous level of like, what is it?

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Giving over ownership.

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Transitive property?

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Yeah.

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No.

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Transition of rights?

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Just giving over your rights and responsibilities as a parent.

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He imagines that it's like, oh, you step foot in that school, parent now is Mr. Weatherby.

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I really wish people would read those terms of service Apple agreements, because if you

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download music from the iTunes store in those terms and conditions, they can also hit your

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kids.

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Oh, that's true.

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Yeah.

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Tim Cook can just...

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Tim Cook can just...

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It's bananas.

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Yeah.

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So he gets to what he believes is the end game of this, I think.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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It's very weird because he starts making some complaints about things that he's afraid of,

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but at the same time, based on his idea that it's common law that the school is now your

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parent if you go to the school, they should be totally fine doing these things.

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They're certainly not worse than hitting your kid.

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Right.

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But he's complaining about them as if they are some sort of terrible transgression that

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the school is making, and he's also lying about them.

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See, it's all hoaxes and bait and switches and shell games and scams.

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Now, it gets worse.

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In thousands of school districts, last time I checked it was the majority, and there's

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20 something thousand school districts plus in the country, but in a large portion of

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them, first it's no dodgeball, then it's no tag, then it's no wrestling, then at many

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schools, you can pull this up, schools ban jogging at recess, schools ban shaking hands

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at recess, and now the teachers aren't allowed to touch them or talk to them, oh, Billy just

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shook hands with Bobby, I'm going to call the police, and the cop shows up and writes

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you a ticket.

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I think this is socialist at the movie theater level imagined scenarios.

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First they came for my dodgeball, and I did not say anything, for I didn't have an arm.

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I think there are some schools, definitely, I wouldn't say the majority of them from what

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I've been able to tell, that don't have dodgeball as part of their curricula in gym.

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I'm really fine with that.

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Is that a big deal?

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I'm also shocked it was okay, because there were a lot, I recall when I was younger playing

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dodgeball, it was the sort of thing where people got hurt, whether it was from taking

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a ball to the head, falling over, hitting your head on the ground, or trying to dodge

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a ball and sliding on some sort of bad surface.

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I can understand why some schools would be like, there are other ways to get recreation,

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this is clearly, at least on some level, violent game.

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Well, there's always, always the kid who is playing the game as a bad actor.

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Right, too aggressive.

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Yeah, he's always like, I'm here to kill.

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So in terms of like banning running or jogging, the only things I was able to find were like,

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there are some schools that have banned running to recess, running out of the classroom, which

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obviously could create some problems.

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Many people have banned stampedes in the past.

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I don't know if it rose to that level, but in terms of like protecting kids, yeah, going

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to recess in an orderly fashion kind of makes sense.

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I think what Alex is talking here about the handshake thing, though, is that there have

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been a number of schools who have banned post-game handshakes after sports games.

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Without exception, all of these schools did so because of fights that kept breaking out

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between teams.

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Of course.

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The Kentucky High School Athletic Association got rid of post-game handshakes after they

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had to deal with over two dozen confrontations in the span of three years.

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Even in that order, though, the association made it clear that schools can decide to ignore

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the order with zero consequences, but were required to report any incidents that may

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have come about because of that decision.

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Two dozen is way too many to finally get there.

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Well, it's statewide.

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I feel like a baker's dozen is enough to get there.

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It's three years and it's statewide.

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I do agree it's too many, but it's not like one school.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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You have to kind of look at it in the picture that it is.

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I get you.

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I agree with the decision, but I also don't think it's like, why didn't they act way sooner

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or later?

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Now that I know it's statewide, I kind of assumed it was like in a smaller area, like

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in a conference.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And the decision too of like making it a completely voluntary non-binding thing is like, sure,

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yeah, do this at your own risk.

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If you have faith that you can have your students not fight with each other, do it.

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But if not, don't do it because fights keep happening.

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Hey, also, I bet those kids who keep getting into fights probably were spanked in the home.

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Just pointing that out.

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Not sure if there's a study on that.

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In 1994, Ventura County Schools banned post-game handshakes for the same reason, but they encouraged

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students to instead shake hands pre-game to preserve sportsmanship.

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Oh, that's nice.

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So they didn't even really, it wasn't a handshake that was a problem or anything.

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It was just that, again, people kept fighting, but there wouldn't be that acrimonious difference

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between the two after the match if they just did it for sportsmanship beforehand.

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Right.

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Right, exactly.

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I like that.

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That's fine.

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Alex might be talking about the Quest Academy in Croydon in England.

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That could be what he's talking about.

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It's possible since they had banned all physical contact between students in early 2011 in

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an attempt to cut down on bullying.

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That might be what he's talking about.

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Yeah.

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Fucking Quest in Croydon.

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They do it every time.

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I have no idea if that's a good idea or not because quite frankly, I don't know what was

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going on in Croydon at the time.

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But I do know that it's not in the United States and I know that it has nothing to do

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with any schools here banning handshakes.

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First Amendment!

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And I further know that even if a school did ban handshakes, Alex shouldn't have a problem

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with that because it's the school.

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The school is-

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It's in local parenthesis.

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Yeah.

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Good point.

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His logic is entirely confounding.

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Good point.

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Good point.

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I don't understand what the line is or what the point is.

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It seems like it's just a vague preservation of what he thinks is the idea of masculinity.

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I think that's really all it is.

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100%.

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And his horrible version of masculinity does involve, you get out of line, people are going

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to-

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Near constant violence.

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You're a child, you get out of line, the coach is going to punch you 10 times and break your

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jaw.

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I don't understand how you could get punched.

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I guess if it was body blows.

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But I feel like if you're punching somebody 10 times, sooner or later you're going to

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break the job before you get to the second-

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I don't know.

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Round of punches.

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Week left, week right.

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That's true.

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That's possible.

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So now we're done for now with the school violence issue.

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It's the way that Alex is so he gives and gives and gives.

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This is a completely random date that Jim suggested we go back to.

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He does a fucking hour talking about how it's great for teachers to hit kids.

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You never expected that.

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No, I did not expect that.

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It's very wild.

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So now we get another unexpected announcement from Alex.

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Starting tonight, 7 o'clock, every weeknight except on holidays, and on holidays we'll

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have rebroadcast, we're going to have at least a 30-minute focused, power-packed news transmission

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with added, expanded mini-nights, special reports.

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We've got one of those tomorrow night that Aaron Dyches is doing on Bisphenol A and information

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that most of you probably don't know, it's even worse than we thought, and they are consciously

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using it as a chemical weapon on the population, so it'll be part of the other reports and

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interviews we do on the Friday show.

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But tonight is the official premiere of Infowars Nightly News.

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So the Bisphenol A thing is a matter for another day because he just mentioned it sort of in

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passing and he has a slight fair point.

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That was a chemical that was created as like an epoxy resin years and years back before

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people knew how dangerous it was.

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There are some absolute issues with that.

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But Alex mixes up the science and I'd like to save that for a time when he actually talks

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about it so we can discuss it.

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The point of that clip was that I didn't realize that Infowars Nightly News started in 2011.

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I kind of thought it already existed.

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I really didn't know that they had a Nightly News show period.

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That's what David Knight started in, that's where Rob Dew and Jakari Jackson cut their

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teeth.

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I really thought that it was going on in 2009 when we were going over that stuff.

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I thought there was a, well actually how could it have been because in the evenings Jason

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Burmas did his show.

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Oh right.

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So yeah I guess that was just an unexamined assumption that I had that Infowars Nightly

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News was way older than it is.

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Started in 2011.

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Is it still going?

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In some fashion.

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Oh okay.

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Probably.

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Is Infowars like 24 hours?

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No.

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It can't be.

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No.

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It can't be 24 hours.

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Yeah.

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No.

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He doesn't have nearly the staff.

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No chance.

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The on-air talent.

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Uh-uh.

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He could do it but it would just be rebroadcasts.

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In the same way that he used to.

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Back in 2009 almost every episode ends with him re-promoting what happened earlier in

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the show is he's like we're about to go to rebroadcast because the Genesis Communications

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Network had a station where they would just play it in a cycle.

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In perpetuity.

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Yeah and then when Jason Burmas came on for his show they'd play that and then back to

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rebroadcast.

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Right right right.

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It's like Hotel California on an oldies station.

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Yeah.

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You could do that.

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Like Alex could do that now but he knows that it's not worth it.

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And the resources that he has isn't enough to make like actual different content for

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the rest of the day.

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No chance.

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And I don't think he'll ever get to that point which I guess is comforting?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I would say the less Infowars the better for all.

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Sure.

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So at the beginning of this before we got off on that diversion about teachers hitting

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kids Alex said he was going to talk to this painter Alex Schaeffer.

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Yes.

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And he comes on and who cares about their conversation it's just it's mostly nonsense.

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Government!

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It's coming for me.

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Alex makes a prediction about selling this painting of a Chase Bank on fire and he's

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a little off.

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But so far it's been almost bid up to the value of an ounce of gold that's at $1775

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there's been 11 bids and 35 watchers or something like that.

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It's pretty awesome.

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Well it's about to go up to $50,000 right now.

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Stay there.

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Stay there.

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$1775 2.0.

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It sold to a German dude for $25,000 which is first of all way too high.

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That's crazy.

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So 50% of what Alex's prediction was with his listeners all like coming in.

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That's still crazy though.

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So Alex Schaeffer tells Alex the story of what happened to him in this altercation with

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the police.

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Not even an altercation.

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That's not even fair to say.

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Interaction with the police.

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Hey!

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Hey!

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Quit it.

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I think you'll hear that they treated him incredibly well.

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I mean I think that the officers I think they thought it was ridiculous a little bit themselves.

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But they filled out an incident report.

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You know they got my address and I thought it was funny that they wrote down in the personal

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oddities line that I had glasses and a blonde beard.

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Well that's evil.

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You may be with Al-Qaeda.

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But we actually have the training videos.

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You now have been put in a homeland security database.

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So that is a little bit excessive probably when he's just saying like they just talked

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to me or whatever.

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He's on the no fly list.

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The police did end up coming to his house shortly thereafter but it was just a formal

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check in.

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You've been painting?

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It was just a formal check in of like hey we did this report because someone's like

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hey you should check this out.

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People who showed up were like yeah it's weird but we just kind of have to check it out.

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Someone made a report.

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We've got to fill out this paperwork that we were here.

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Fine.

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You're cool.

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I don't know why they checked back in with him either.

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I don't know.

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That seems like a waste.

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But maybe someone had a question.

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I don't know.

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Maybe they have to according to their guidelines or whatever.

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I don't know how the department works.

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It's just best practices.

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But even his story about them coming back was like super benign, friendly.

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They show up and they're like can we see the painting?

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They're almost interested.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What were you thinking?

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This is a weird story.

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Hey.

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Do you want to do that?

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Is that your plan?

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Yeah.

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No?

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Okay.

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That's fine.

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Hey guess what?

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We got an Xfinity store.

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You could totally paint that on fire.

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Everybody's fine with that.

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So I don't know.

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I'm not super into his plight and he made $25,000 selling this painting to a weird German.

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So whatever.

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He wins.

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That German did wind up eating him and the painting though.

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Yeah.

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We don't know what happened.

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I do know what happened to Alex Schaeffer a little bit later.

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He ended up getting arrested again because he was trying to push the boundaries of where

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he could make chalk art and sort of intentionally got himself arrested.

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I'm not sure I dislike him necessarily.

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I think he's alright so far.

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The only thing I have-

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Fuck Chase first off.

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Sure.

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I'm fine with that.

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Totally.

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The only thing I have against him is that he showed up on Infowars and was verbally

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supportive of Alex.

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Ah, that is a problem.

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That's the only thing I have against him.

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The rest of this stuff seems like, eh, that could just be him trying to get buzz marketing

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or something.

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Yeah.

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He sold a painting that was undoubtedly probably shit for $25,000.

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Of course you're going to start shit from there on out.

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Yeah.

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Why not?

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You learned a lesson.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And that is that this works.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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It's like a kid throwing a tantrum if you didn't show it attention.

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If you took school, Alex would want him hit.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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But if you didn't give it attention, he wouldn't have kept doing it.

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So now things get a little bit difficult, and this is the only part of the show necessarily

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that I feel like I have real weird feelings about.

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And that is that Alex has two 9-11 first responders on.

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Okay.

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And they want to talk about how Bloomberg and New York isn't allowing them to come to

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the 10th anniversary event for 9-11.

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Yeah.

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I have mixed thoughts about it, but we're not going to listen to a lot of them.

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I just have one clip, and that is Alex really, really fucking it up.

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Now, Joey, now that you're there with us specifically expanding on that, you're saying you concur

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with my analysis that they know that they were poisoned, the EPA was ordered to lie

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about the deadly dust, they've been blocked health care, and the government doesn't want

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them there because they're scared of them?

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I think we're having some kind of technical difficulties or something with folks.

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We'll just interview Ted.

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He can't get the other guy on the phone for most of the time.

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But in a rare turn of events, Alex is actually pretty close to a real truthful story here.

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He has these two 9-11 first responders on his guests to discuss how they're not invited

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to the ceremony at Ground Zero.

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And I'm not going to play most of this interview because it puts me in a position I can't stand

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to be in.

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On the one hand, I have nothing but respect for people who put their lives on the line

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to save their fellow humans in terrible situations, and I don't want to impugn these people at

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all.

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On the other hand, these guys and Alex have a very twisted take on what's going on.

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For one, Bloomberg had released a statement that first responders weren't being given

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invitations because there was space constraints, and that the victim's family members and people

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who survived were deemed a higher priority.

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I think that's a weak excuse, but it ultimately could have been the truth since they did the

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ceremony in Zuccotti Park in New York, and there might not have been room within the

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space that they would have cordoned off.

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I still think that's probably disrespectful to the first responders, and I absolutely

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hear their argument.

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Yeah.

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I never miss an opportunity to tell Bloomberg to go fuck himself.

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Sure.

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Now, generally, I think this is a shitty way to treat folks.

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But speaking only of these two dudes who were interviewed here on Alex's show, it seems

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like they might be the sort of types who would disrupt the event talking about building 7

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and that sort of thing.

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So I would be fine with excluding them on an individual basis, but then that gets even

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more murky because even if they are going to disrupt, I'm not sure I think it's appropriate

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not to have them there, even if they're going to disrupt.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'm glad I never have to make that decision.

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Right.

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It is one of those things, because that's one of the big things that Jon Stewart, when

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he was running the Daily Show...

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Oh, dude.

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This dude, one of the guys who's being interviewed, this Joey guy, when he finally gets him on

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the phone, he talks about how Jon Stewart is working with them in terms of trying to

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get better healthcare and deal with these issues.

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Alex cuts him off immediately.

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Of course.

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He even cuts off the 9-11 first responder because he brings up Jon Stewart.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no.

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So Alex has political shit going on too.

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Yeah.

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So it is absolutely like a thing where if you guys had done your fucking, at the very

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least basic, human, decent thing to do, which is take care of these people who are... Inarguable

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heroes.

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Yeah.

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Inarguable.

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If you had just taken care of them, I'm guessing maybe the whole 9-11 with stage thing probably

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wouldn't get as far.

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With them at least.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And I actually think I misspoke a little bit, because that is painting them unfairly.

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Yeah.

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And I realize these two dudes do seem to be kind of on that 9-11 side job tip and all

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that stuff.

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There's still a larger community that they are also a part of that probably would disrupt

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in a way that I think is very appropriate, which is to speak out about the lack of healthcare

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and that sort of thing.

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And so the disruptive aspect of it is probably what Bloomberg didn't want to face.

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Right.

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And I think that's wrong of him, but you understand why he would do that.

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Right.

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He's not voting it.

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No, no.

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Yeah.

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I think it's the wrong decision.

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Yeah.

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But you get why.

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Right.

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And he should probably be called to answer for that.

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Absolutely.

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But-

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How much money does he have?

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Alex is the wrong person to do it.

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Absolutely.

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And this is the wrong place to do it for them.

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Right.

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And especially since our show is so much on fact checking and stuff like that and piercing

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narratives and stuff, I really don't have it in me to attack these 9-11 first responders

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for something that they're probably big picture right about.

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Absolutely.

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With the small...

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I don't think it matters to point out like, well, you understand why he would do that.

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Yeah.

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I don't want to dismiss their points and it's not even...

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Well, and it's entirely possible that just like so many guests we have on Alex, they're

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like, yeah, Alex, you're right in order to get out their message.

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It's entirely possible these dudes were going along with the whole 9-11 is an inside job

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and you're shaking your head no.

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I don't think so.

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Whatever.

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I think at least one of them is...

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Joey guy who brought up Jon Stewart seemed less like that, but the other guy, Todd or

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Ted, he was pretty...

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He's pretty on that too?

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Yeah.

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I'm still fine with them going on Info Wars to spread that message.

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I'm fine with them going on any show to spread the message of like, hey, they're fucking

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us over and we're actual heroes.

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Yeah.

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So maybe think about that.

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You know?

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Well, I agree.

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And that's why it's complicated and I don't want to listen to it.

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So Alex then talks about how the nightly news is starting again.

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He's trying to promote the nightly news and he's got a big interview with the CEO of Gibson

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who had just...

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The guitar company.

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Yep.

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They'd just been raided and they were in some trouble.

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And Alex scored an interview with the CEO and here he throws it to that interview, like

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a little chunk of it, just as a teaser for tonight, the debut of Info Wars Nightly News.

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They do want to get rid of American Jobs, one of the few companies still making high

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quality products in this country.

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So here's a clip of what's coming up tonight on the television show.

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Okay.

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I tell you, today has been the gremlin infested broadcast.

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Absolutely gremlin infested.

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No clip.

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So he's talking about how they want to destroy, you know, these businesses in America.

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They want to get rid of jobs in America.

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Humble guitar maker.

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Humble guitar maker.

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And part of that is because in this interview with the Gibson CEO, he says that the courts

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told him he should do business in Madagascar.

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You should just move to Madagascar.

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And the reason...

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That seems like a weird thing for a court to say.

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So the reason they were told they'd be better off doing business in Madagascar was that

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they were using ebony that was illegally imported from Madagascar and rosewood that was imported

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from India to make their guitars.

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But they could have legally been used, those products, they could have used it in the host

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countries where the products come from.

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There's a law called the Lacey Act from 1900 that they were in violation of.

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Using smuggled stuff like that in Madagascar would be totally illegal because you were

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there and you're using it according to their local laws.

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None of it is itself illegal to possess here, but exporting it out of Madagascar or India

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would be illegal there.

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And the Lacey Act makes it illegal to traffic in flora and fauna that would be illegal according

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to foreign laws.

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Ebony is flora or fauna?

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It's covered under the Lacey Act somehow.

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I mean, it's just like it's not...

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It's also the same act that would, you know, so you can't have these weird pets that are

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illegally smuggled out of countries.

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Right, right, right.

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No, no.

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I mean, not to make the ebony and ivory comparison, but it's not like ebony comes from a fucking

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tusk, you know?

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I understand that.

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I think that actually the ebony was...so they were raided twice.

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They were raided in 2009 and in 2011.

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I think the ebony might have been the first raid and then the rosewood, both from India

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and Madagascar were the second.

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But Madagascar was also the source of the ebony.

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It's a little confusing in terms of like where were they getting their stuff from.

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But the point does remain that they were sourcing it in ways that were against the local laws

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in the countries that they were sourcing it from and the Lacey Act makes it illegal for

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them to do that sourcing because of those countries' laws.

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Now I got it.

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Now I got it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex is trying to make a big deal out of this and like, oh, they told you to go do

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business in Madagascar?

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They want to get rid of jobs in America.

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That's see through that real easily.

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A lot of corporations are getting rid of jobs in America by going to Madagascar.

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He's coming on Infowars Nightly News to do this interview that though they couldn't get

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the clip together for this, it does exist.

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But he's trying to plead his innocence and all this shit, but also Gibson would plead

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guilty and pay a $300,000 fine in August 2012.

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So they ended up having to realize, eh, we did break that law.

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You can use the shaggy defense on Infowars.

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You can't really use the shaggy defense in a court of law.

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Yeah.

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So that's what that's all about.

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Alex is just trying to provide cover for a cool guitar maker.

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They are a cool guitar maker though.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know, we're coming towards the end of this and these last two clips are pretty

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weird.

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On the first one, I know that we've discovered over the course of this show that Alex has

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a bit of a love for the authoritarian.

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Yes.

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He's a fascist while at the same time being a libertarian, which makes perfect sense.

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Total sense.

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Not a contradiction at all.

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Actually, it isn't a contradiction.

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I feel like most libertarians are somewhat fascist.

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Talk to Webster Tarpley about it.

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He believes that libertarianism is the gateway to fascism, which is weird.

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That is weird.

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So in this next clip, there's a situation going on geopolitically in 2011 and that is

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that Muammar Qaddafi is getting a bit weird.

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Oh, I thought this was when Obama wore his brown suit and that was an international...

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It's not that, but Alex has an interesting take on Qaddafi.

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And there's the headline.

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No surrender, says Qaddafi, let him be engulfed in flames.

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It is a civil war, a humanitarian disaster as Colonel Shafer and others predicted, as

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we predicted as well.

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Qaddafi said to be in desert town.

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Reportedly, his family got out last week.

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He could have left.

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He's deciding to stand and fight.

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Say what you want about him.

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He's certainly not like the globalist scumbags we have running things who are cowardly on

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top of being scum.

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Something more respectable about being a dictator who will actually fight.

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There's something respectable about a dictator who will actually fight.

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Jordan, we don't possibly have the time here to get into the history of Muammar Qaddafi,

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but let's just remind people that this episode is from September 2011.

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Mere months earlier, the Telegraph reported that Qaddafi was firing on civilians.

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What we're witnessing today is unimaginable, one resident named as Adel Mohamed Saleh said.

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Warplanes and helicopters are indiscriminately bombing one area after another.

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There are many, many dead.

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Our people are dying.

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It's a policy of scorched earth.

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After the situation deteriorated and Qaddafi had given an interview where he insisted his

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people would die to protect him, by March, the international community was really concerned

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about him using chemical weapons on his own people because he had tons of mustard gas

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that he didn't give up when he had like 14 tons of mustard gas.

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You know, there's something respectable about Prince MBS because you don't see a lot of

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royalty willing to kill journalists and dismember them.

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See, there's you got to give it up to them.

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And you're right.

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We're at Somali pirates all over again.

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Yeah.

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We're at Somali pirates.

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It's so weird.

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I don't understand where Alex is getting this from to be like, because he's he recognizes

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what the problems are.

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Well, this is this is another Hitler and Stalin are complete badasses moment where you're

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like, you really don't like the it's almost it's almost like he sees a dictator murdering

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his subjects of the citizens of his country as the capital punishment of a school punishment

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of just like, hey, you know what?

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You gave up your rights when you decided to live there with that dictator.

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So he has the right to kill you.

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Yeah.

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You know, like it is it is a one to one kind of situation.

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I think you may be right.

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I think weird.

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I think there are parallels to that.

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Doesn't explain the Somali pirate thing.

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No, no, not the Somali pirate thing.

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That one is inexplicable.

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In terms of like supporting dictators in foreign countries when he's Mr. I love freedom.

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Yeah.

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It does make sense to that.

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Like blaming the victim.

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Oh, yeah.

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Seems to be what is sort of M.O. is like, you decided to live in that country under

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a dictator.

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Of course, you decided you should get hit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a mess.

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It is.

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God, what an idiot.

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Yeah, he's pretty.

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What an idiot monster.

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So we get to the end of this episode at this clip.

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I should tell you is 10 minutes before the episode ends.

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So take what are you saying with a grain of salt about how he's going to get to people's

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calls.

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All right.

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I'm going to shut up and go to your calls.

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And I got some other news, but it's just been an overload today.

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And it would it would happen that I haven't been sick with a fever in probably a year.

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And I had a little fever last night of a sore throat stuff today, right when I watched a

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TV show.

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Is that ill omen?

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No, it's just coincidence.

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That's why I'm a little bit all over the map here today.

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I love that he's blaming having a fever for being all over the map when I would say he

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has been one of the most focused I've ever seen him.

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I was about to say I was about to say so far we have heard nothing but him being on top.

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I mean, he's wrong, certainly.

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And I would say he's spiritually all over the map in terms of not making sense.

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Right.

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He spent a fucking hour talking about how great it is to hit kids in school.

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That's pretty on point.

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That's on target.

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You want to talk about the corporal punishment being good.

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You stay on that topic for quite a while.

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He did another half hour or so talking to the 9-11 responders, maybe a little bit more,

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stayed focused on that topic, did a much shorter interview with the the painter guy because

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he just wanted just wanted the soundbite, wanted a little like, ha ha.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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That sort of thing.

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But still see the government's overreaching and so on.

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But he hit his marks.

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He hit his points that he wanted to make.

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Yeah.

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And the last hour where he's talking about, like corporal punishment and stuff was probably

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unplanned.

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Right.

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But that makes it even more surprising that he stayed on top.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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He's like he's he perceives himself as being off topic and all over the place when he is

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anything but.

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Alex without the flu or Alex with the flu is like early period Orson Welles.

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And Alex without the flu is Orson Welles in the commercial song.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, perhaps.

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I don't know, I just thought that was really weird.

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That was a very strange thing.

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First of all, it's strange to be like, I promise I'm going to your calls.

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The show is over in five minutes.

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You take out the last commercial break or whatever.

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You're not going to anybody's calls.

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And then he's just like, I just got a fever.

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I've been all over the place.

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You haven't.

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It's very, very lack of lack of self-awareness.

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I really don't like him ever admitting that coincidences exist.

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That is true.

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Like, I really don't like it.

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He calls into question a lot of his other assessments.

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Exactly.

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If you're aware that coincidences are a thing, it seems like you have to admit that some

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of your conspiracies could be coincidences.

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What's even weirder is the thing that he's allowing to be a coincidence in this episode

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is something negative that has befallen him.

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He got a fever.

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None of the tech is working in the studio when he's trying to launch his show.

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Right.

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Perfect scenario to be like, I got hit with a fever dart and everyone is disrupting my

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communications.

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But instead, nah, it's a coincidence.

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This is a Carrie Cassidy Bell's palsy all over again.

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The fact that he is able to get to the point where he's like, nah, it's a coincidence.

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Whatever.

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No big deal.

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It means that he's, it's intentional.

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Maybe the only time that he is free of his personal and mental demons is when he gets

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the flu.

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We got to keep that boy sick.

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Yeah.

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Maybe vaccines are good for everyone but Alex.

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Alex, you can keep it.

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Give him Ebola.

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You can keep your, oh no, no, no.

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That works too quick.

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I'm not saying that I want to kill him or anything like that, but Ebola, you're not

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going to live with that for very long.

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Okay.

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You're going to get cured or die.

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You need a low grade chronic condition.

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What about, what's the disease you get from ticks?

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Lyme disease?

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Lyme disease.

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Let's give him Lyme.

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Yeah, that's a chronic condition.

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Let's give him Lyme.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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We've settled on it.

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Let's give Alex Jones Lyme disease.

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Let's give Alex Jones Lyme disease.

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It's the only way to keep him on point and also having weird fever hallucinations about

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socialists and movie thieves.

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I think it works out perfectly.

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I think it works a hundred percent.

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Socialists belittling their kids in movie thieves.

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You're a stupid baby.

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You don't understand a progressive time structure.

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You've never even heard of Thomas Piketty, you stupid baby.

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Boo.

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So we've come to the end of this and I think it's been an interesting look.

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I'm not sure how interested I am in Alex around this timeframe based on this look.

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I like it.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I do too, but I also get the sense that I don't know how much of it is actually attributable

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to the fever.

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I think he's in a holding pattern.

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Right.

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Like whatever we're seeing here is like, I don't have a varsity narrative.

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Right.

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I'm a man at sea and that's why I talk about hitting kids for an hour.

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Right.

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See, that's kind of why I like it compared to our 2009 and 2015 investigations, right?

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Those are investigations.

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We're trying to find something out.

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What if we just investigate how ludicrous he can get on a day-to-day basis?

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Right.

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But I mean, there's no way to structure that.

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I mean, you could just like a random number generator come up with dates and stuff.

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I don't understand how that's a problem.

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Well, because inevitably what you would do is you'd land in the middle of some time that

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he does have a varsity narrative.

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And now we have a new investigation.

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No, I like that.

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I like that.

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Because when you...

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What you have to do is when you're creating that random number generator, every time you

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click the button, you say, no whammies.

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Okay.

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See, there you go.

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Boom.

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No whammies.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I think there's fun in this and I appreciate Jim bringing this to our lives.

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But also, for my brain, how my brain works, I like it much more when we're in something

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that has like a larger narrative structure to it.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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I'm not sure what the conclusion I'm making is, but this has been fun and we have a website.

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Indeed we do, Dan.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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That's correct.

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You can also go to fillyourhand.com.

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That is correct.

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Absolutely.

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And we're on Twitter.

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We are.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight.

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We have a Facebook.

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Indeed we do.

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We also have a Facebook group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.

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Yep.

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We're also on iTunes.

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You can leave a review, subscribe, what have you.

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For sure.

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I'm a big fan of Overcast, if you want to download that app.

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So we'll be back on Wednesday with something or other.

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It'll be an episode.

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We'll see.

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Of some variety.

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Could be.

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Could be.

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Who knows?

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It's Thunderdome now.

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It is.

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Everything is out the window.

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We've blown a hole in it, not because of Jim's episode, but because I'm done with 2009.

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Right.

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So we will see what happens from now on.

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I'd love to retain the Monday, Wednesday, Friday structure that we have been doing,

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but this week it's up for grabs.

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Yeah.

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Could be anything.

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Anyway, thank you all for listening.

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We will catch you next time, but this Alex Schaeffer guy who painted a building on fire?

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Yeah.

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I don't think that guy's killed anybody.

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I know Muammar.

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I know Gaddafi has killed a guy.

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We do know that.

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Yeah.

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So Alex Schaeffer just seems like a fine painter gentleman who hasn't killed anybody, but one

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guy who interviewed him technically has probably, and that guy, Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.