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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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That is indeed what we do, Dan. Dan, is there a hook to this podcast? I'm all business today, Dan.

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There's a hook, and it is that I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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I don't know anything about Alex Jones, let's get down to business, because I'm all business today, Dan.

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Nitty gritty scrappy show. Absolutely, let's get into the details of stuff.

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Alright, in that case I would like to welcome a couple new policy wonks.

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Oh shit!

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To be fair, these are foreign policy wonks, so that is people who have donated in the past and bumped up their donation.

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Alright.

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And now have a new foreign policy wonk status. Excellent.

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So first of all, I'd like to welcome to the foreign policy ranks, Ian, thank you so much.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Hey, thank you.

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Thanks, Ian.

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Also, thank you, going out to Jesse, thank you so much.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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We really appreciate it.

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I have heard that clip so many fucking times.

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So good.

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It shouldn't be funny anymore. I should be inured against it and just be like, hey, congratulations on becoming a foreign policy wonk.

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But part of me is like, dude, just don't eat another cent. I want to hear this clip more. Dan won't play it for me anymore.

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The just brutal funniness of Steve Pacanik's cattiness is it'll never grow old.

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Hey, great, good for you, you fucking dick.

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Because that's what he's saying.

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I know.

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He's saying it's perfect.

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Because Alex, if people don't remember, that's in response to Alex saying like, I was always like 9-11, I was right about that.

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Four stars, go tell your homie.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's even better.

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He's taking the piss out of Alex's entire personality.

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It's even better because Alex never gets that shit from his guests.

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No.

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Never. No guest is ever like, hey, Alex, how about you tone it down and go fuck yourself? You ever consider that?

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You're not so great, you dick.

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Love it.

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And I love the people who donate to the show.

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Yes, we do. Absolutely.

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If you'd like to become a policy wonk, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show.

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As I mentioned at the end of the last episode, we are trying to bump up the donations.

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$100 this month.

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And I am thrilled to report within one episode, we are up $28 in donations.

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Holy shit.

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So we really thank everybody.

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And if you'd like to join in on that, if we can get to that mark, if we can reach our goal by the end of January,

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we will start releasing a documentary coverage, I guess, of Alex Jones' film Endgame that will be devastating and exhaustive for everybody involved.

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Yeah, I know. That's true.

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It's a two and a half hour documentary.

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Why?

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Our coverage will probably take six, seven hours.

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I'm the biggest Star Wars fan and The Last Jedi could have lost like ten minutes and I would have still been very, very happy with it.

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This will be six Last Jedis back to back to back to back.

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Ouch.

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So, Jordan, today what we're going to be going over is the January 5th, 2018 episode of The Alex Jones Show.

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You know, we're going to have to get into that.

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We're going to do that thing that everybody does every January where it's like, I'm not used to this 2018 thing yet.

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I've been fine like in writing and all that stuff.

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No one writes checks anymore.

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You can get that hack joke out of here.

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Oh, absolutely.

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But I've been fine with it just verbally there, I almost said.

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But I do that all the time.

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Right.

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Because we jump back and forth in history.

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Right, right, right.

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It's always bleh.

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But yeah, it's 2018.

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January 5th.

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Alright.

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Friday.

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One year older, one year wiser.

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Indeed.

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And Alex is no different.

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So in the days previous to this, Alex has been sort of trying to wrestle with the Bannon revelation.

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Yes.

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And we haven't talked since that broke.

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Since that news broke.

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Right.

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And I think there's a lot of angles that are being played.

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And I'm really not clear what's going on.

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Now, here is...

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I'm so confused.

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Here's my issue with all the angles being played.

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Is that none of the angles that I have seen so far are similar to my own, which is...

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So?

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Everyone's stupid?

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Yeah.

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I've seen actually a lot of that on Twitter.

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Oh yeah?

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A lot of people being very much like, what? Who cares?

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Good.

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And there is some truth to that, I think.

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But for everyone who is unaware of what we're talking about, Michael Wolff, a noted...

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Flying liar.

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Well, he's basically a creative non-fiction writer out of New York who covered the socialite

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scene and the media elites in New York in a very catty, David Sedaris-ish way, but probably

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less funny.

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He's a yellow journalist tabloid guy.

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No, see, I'm uncomfortable with that.

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Because it's not yellow journalism.

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It's straight up essaying.

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It's creative non-fiction.

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And everybody who is aware of his writing is aware of that.

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Right.

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It's not yellow journalism because he's not trying to...

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It's not propaganda.

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It's a style of writing that has its place in magazines.

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Right.

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No, I mean like the original yellow journalists, like a William Randolph Hearst kind of yellow

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journalism.

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But those people, they operated for specific aims.

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Not always.

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For the most part?

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I mean, many of their aims were just so chaos amongst the world.

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Yeah, I guess it's a stretch to me.

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Yeah.

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But if you want to go with that, I'm going to allow it.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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I'll let you do it.

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You're so gracious.

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You're so gracious, dad.

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In the aftermath of this piece coming out that Michael Wolff wrote, he wrote this book,

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Fire and Fury, that has now been pushed out to print.

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Of course.

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It was supposed to come out much later.

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Oh, of course.

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And now it's out.

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And there was an excerpt that came out that included a quote from Steve Bannon saying

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that the meeting between Kushner and Manafort and Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer, was

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treasonous.

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And so in the aftermath of that, no, Bannon didn't do shit.

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Right.

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Bannon's response was, nah, we're good with Trump.

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Everyone freaked out.

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Right.

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All the liberals, all the people on Twitter, all the commentators freaked out about this.

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Right.

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And no one really took into account that this guy is a creative nonfiction writer.

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Right.

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Secondary after that, Alex Jones, Alex freaked out.

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I've seen many people, like the people from Splinter, like the Docker, Rudolph, and those

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types of situations are always, like The Intercept, all of those guys were like, hold on now.

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Right.

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This guy's a liar.

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Well, people who are aware of him.

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Right.

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People, and this is going into my argument that there's no way Trump is not aware of

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him.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Because he's been covering Trump world essentially for decades.

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Yes.

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So Alex got duped by this to some extent.

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Okay.

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And he got really furious and was like, this guy is a liar, but he doesn't understand why

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he's a liar.

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So he did an entire show about this guy like making up quotes and stuff.

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He just looked at his Wikipedia page and didn't understand the nature of the guy's actual

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writing.

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Okay.

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So he did a really terrible job of it and was just like, yeah, Bannon, look, hey, I

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don't want to go against Bannon.

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I don't want to in-fight, but look, this guy's a known liar, also Bannon has gone crazy,

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but this guy's a liar.

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Also the quote's probably 80% true.

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He's trying to fit the whole circle in the same page.

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Yes.

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Gotcha.

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And it's clunky as shit.

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The guy that's doing this right is Roger Stone.

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He is just like, I don't want to do, I don't, nope.

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I hate to agree with Roger Stone, but he's nailing the, nah, I'm out.

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On Thursday the 4th, Roger Stone was on, or maybe it was Wednesday, I can't remember which

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day it was, but he was like, I've been dealing with Michael Wolff for a long time.

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I know what he does.

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And Alex just couldn't understand, couldn't roll with the, if he had, he would have saved

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himself a lot of trouble, because Alex now has to figure out how to walk back the whole

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Bannon thing, while at the same time he can't walk it back because he's definitive.

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I don't think so.

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Do you think he really does think Bannon's lost his mind, or that he's fallen in with

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the Trump quote?

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Well, he has no choice now, because Trump put out that press release the day that this

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excerpt leaked, or this excerpt was released, Trump put out that statement that was scathing.

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Yes.

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Steve Bannon is a staffer, he had nothing to do with my win.

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Yes, he was my campaign manager, but he was nowhere near me.

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I put him on the National Security Council.

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Yep.

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Fuck.

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These people are so fucking stupid.

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But because of Trump coming out and saying that he's lost his mind, Alex now can't walk

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back that piece of the narrative.

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Of course.

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And had he had a more full understanding of who Michael Wolff is, he could have built

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it up ahead of time with like, hey guys, let's ignore this.

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Yeah.

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That should have been his play.

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Oh.

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Easy.

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It's not an opportunity for him to be like, the media are a bunch of liars, because this

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is different than the media.

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And this guy isn't really a media.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so Alex finds himself in a very strange place where he's like, I've got to do something

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else.

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I've got to figure out a different way to handle this.

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I am so excited to hear Alex Jones' solution to this problem.

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Well, it's kind of going back to the well a little bit.

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Oh no.

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And doing what he does best.

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I was hoping for a creative nonfiction response.

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In some ways it is.

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Okay.

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I think you could argue that it is in some ways.

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This has gone viral.

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He hired David Sedaris to write his response?

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Oh god, that would be so great.

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Me talk angry someday.

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So Alex, on the 5th, he got into studio and he decided he was going to open his show with

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a fucked up rant.

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And this has gone viral.

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This has made the rounds, you see it posted on all the sites.

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And generally we like to ignore the things that everyone else talks about, because there's

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not a whole lot of value in it.

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But in this case-

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No, I have no idea what you're fucking talking about.

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In this case, I think it is worthwhile, because he does touch on a number of things that are

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relevant to our examinations of Alex, but he starts his show with a ten minute rant

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about Brian Stelter.

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That is right on.

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Yeah.

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So let's get into it.

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I've not cut anything out of the first commercial break, which is wall to wall this rant.

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But I've just put it into segments for our digestibility, and here is the first one.

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You know, Donald Trump over the weekend said something that really started to sink in for

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me right before we went live, because it's so true.

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The truth is powerful.

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And Trump operates unlike any statesman I've seen in modern history in the truth.

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And that's what's so refreshing about it.

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But he said, you know, the mainstream media really needs me to win in 2020.

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You guys had almost no ratings and it completely imploded until I came along and you're still

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a shadow of your former selves because you're fake news.

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But he said, you need me.

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And look at the economy, look at all of it.

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It's all roaring back and optimism and so many other good things.

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And Trump is delivering on what he said, very sensible policies across the board, and they

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are just flipping out, completely inverting all of this.

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So now let's talk.

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Let's talk about a few things.

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First of all, I think it's a mistake to ever look at the news as needing ratings.

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And that is maybe a systematic problem that we need to address in the future.

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That is a huge problem.

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But the idea that Trump's like, you need me, you need the bad guy.

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I mean, that's out of movies.

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That sort of mentality.

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But look, also, arguably correct.

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It's debatable.

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I mean, you see that MSNBC's ratings are higher now than they were during the election.

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And who's to say how much of an effect Trump directly has on that?

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I mean, we're getting back to the Dark Knight territory, you know, without Batman, there

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wouldn't be a Joker.

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Right.

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Right.

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Without Joker, there wouldn't be a Batman.

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Right.

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Whole thing.

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Well, now you're in Alex Jones territory and looking at movies as allegorical for reality.

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Well, but the whole point behind the Dark Knight was it was allegorical, like that was

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the idea.

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Right.

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Right.

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Like it was like that's that's choosing to ignore any art that is allegorical.

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So now further Alex's sort of contention that Trump, like no other politician before, operates

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based on the truth.

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Yes.

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Is an ironic thing for him to be talking about.

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So soon after Trump got rid of that election integrity commission that he had started to

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find all that all that voter fraud, those millions of illegals that voted.

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So weird that they didn't find any of those voter frauds.

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So weird that he did an executive order getting rid of that committee late at night, hoping

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that no one would notice.

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And in the executive order that came out, he was like, he just blames the states.

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Yeah.

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Like they wouldn't give us the information.

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Yeah.

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It's there.

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It's obvious.

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It's obvious.

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Such bullshit.

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Everybody nailed it.

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So now we have to sensible policies is I think you scoffed there.

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All of his policies are very sensible.

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You know, he wants 18 billion dollars to build a wall that no rational human being would

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see as a effective, be reasonable or see enough money to build a silly wall.

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Sure.

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Like it's a ridiculous proposition on all possible sides.

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It might be enough money to build a silly wall.

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That's true.

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If they painted the wall with like Bozo the clown.

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Perfect.

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I'm way on board with that wall.

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Right.

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You could get some advertising books too there.

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Oh man.

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From big clown.

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NASCAR could sponsor the wall.

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That is just fucking gold.

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Make no mistake.

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That would probably happen.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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So this is the beginning of the rant.

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So far we haven't really taken a turn towards the, you know, why people are interested.

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So far it's just a set up of like, yeah, Trump is right.

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He's bringing back the economy, all of this stuff.

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And again, we can sort of dismiss a lot of that because a lot of the gains in terms of

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the stock market are the trends continuing that have been continuing.

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Right.

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And a lot of this, like these business optimism indexes are really just, I mean, they're speculative

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by business owners and at the same time they are based on an idea that they will have to

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pay less and be able to not treat their employees better.

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Well the big thing.

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There will be less regulation governing how hard they screw us.

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The big thing that drives me insane whenever anybody talks about the economy going up is

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that the economy is going up so long as we're still in the realm of imagination.

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Sure.

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Like all of the economy going up is completely imaginary.

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Like the stock market rising.

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Once again, these are not tied to real things.

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Like Uber has a valuation of like 80 billion dollars, whatever, and it's losing money constantly.

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The floor on that is going to drop and they're going to explode.

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Bitcoin.

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Why did it go up so high?

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Because all the trading is done by algorithms.

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Like all of this is imaginary money and none of it is going to people who work for a living.

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So that means that sooner or later reality is going to hit and it's going to hit people

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who work for a living.

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We didn't actually gain anything in the economy.

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Even whenever everybody said the economy was growing under Obama's ears, normal people

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who work for a living did not actually gain anything during those times.

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Now admittedly, we got more jobs during that time because at the 2007 financial crash,

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everybody fucking exploded.

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But hey, do you remember the 2007 financial crash?

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Dan, do you know why that financial crash happened?

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Why is that?

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Because all the money was imaginary!

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Right.

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So also...

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My point being it's going to happen again.

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Sure.

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I don't think anyone denies that.

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But also I think, at least the last time I checked on these small business optimism numbers,

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most of the... it's a composite of a bunch of different factors.

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And some of the factors are things like, do you think things are going to improve?

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And then there's other ones that are like, are you planning on raising inventory?

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Are you planning on hiring more?

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And those ones that directly affect people needing jobs or needing raises, those are

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stagnant.

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Those have not been growing, but the other factors have been growing high enough to make

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the optimism index go way up.

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And that, to me, is sort of artificial in terms of even that statistic meaning anything.

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Because the things that you would look for would be, are you raising inventory?

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Are you hiring more people?

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Do you have plans to expand?

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Do you think people are going to buy more shit?

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Right.

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I don't remember if that one's actually...

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Who cares?

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But you know what I'm saying?

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The things that would affect you and I were we employees of these small businesses that

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are being indexed, those things aren't necessarily really changing.

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But statistically, Alex isn't totally lying.

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He's just not really dealing with what the reality of those stats mean.

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So anyway, that's not what people are...

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That's not why this went viral.

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Furthermore, generally speaking, no president in the changeover period of the first two

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years really has any actual effect on the economy.

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As I understand, it's more really the first year.

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Exactly.

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So two years is too much, I think.

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No, it's really two years.

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And even then, the only president who has really had a huge effect on it was Obama simply

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bypassing that massive, almost trillion dollar stimulus bill.

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Otherwise, it's just the previous administration and its policies overrunning.

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And then after two years, it's like, oh, we're all fucked.

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It's the same shit that happens every time.

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Reagan had nothing to do with it.

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Anyways, continue.

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Let's get to greener pastures so we can figure out why did this rant go viral.

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And now Michael Wolff, known for yellow journalism, I mean, he's famous for festooning his news

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reports with outright fabrications.

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That's not what that was.

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Like you hang ornaments on a Christmas tree.

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You festoon ornaments on a Christmas tree?

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He's now come out and said he has no way to know if any of it's true.

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So let's talk about that really quick.

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There's no way to know if any of it's true?

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Alex is reading a headline and it's from AOL.com.

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Great.

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The headline is, Michael Wolff says he can't be sure if parts of his explosive Trump book

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are true.

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Yes.

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Now, Alex didn't read this article because...

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Who would have guessed?

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In the second paragraph, just real close to the top, it says, Michael Wolff, the author

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of Fire and Fury inside the Trump White House, included a note at the start which casts significant

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doubt on the reliability of specifics contained in the rest of its pages.

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A number of his sources, he says, were definitely lying to him, while some offered accounts

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that flatly contradict those of others.

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Right.

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They were nonetheless included in the vivid account of the West Wing's workings in a process

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Wolff describes as allowing the reader to judge whether they are true.

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So I think that that's... As long as there is that caveat, I don't think that it's necessarily

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wrong to write that way, but it's stupid that Alex doesn't realize what the headline means.

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Right.

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The headline means, Michael Wolff came out and said, these fuckers were lying to me.

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Right.

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Which is obvious.

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That's obviously true.

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No.

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He's not saying, I don't know if I made stuff up, which is what Alex wants the audience

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to think.

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Yeah.

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It's absolutely a complete misrepresentation and a lie.

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And furthermore, if you are quoting people, you should absolutely quote the ones who are

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directly contradicting other people.

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That's an important thing to put in the book.

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I don't know the context of how he reported it or anything along those lines, but if I

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were doing a story along those, like what he's doing right there, I would definitely

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make sure you heard, look at what this guy said, look at what that guy said.

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Right.

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If you compare to each other and you decide who might be telling the truth, who might

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be lying, what their agendas are, all of those different types of things.

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I haven't read the book at all, but I read that long excerpt in New York mag, I believe,

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the one about Trump not wanting to win, sort of the thrust of it.

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Right.

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Do you mean what I have been saying the entire time?

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I think a lot of people have, but I thought that the writing was a bit flowery.

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Yeah.

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You're right.

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That wasn't supposed to jerk myself off.

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No, no.

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I don't want to go that way either.

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Yeah.

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But I took it to be pretty, I hate to keep going back to Sedaris, but he is the sort

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of archetype of creative nonfiction guy.

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He's lying a lot in his writing, but it's in order to create this ambiance and a spiritual

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truth or whatever.

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That is the sense that I got from that piece in New York magazine, that there was a lot

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of truths in it hidden with assumptions on the level of Alex Jones when he says, Megan

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Kelly thinks she's ugly and wants to go to NBC.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The difference is that Alex Jones isn't doing creative nonfiction.

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He's pretending that he's a truth teller and like, I literally never lie to you and that

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stuff.

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Whereas Wolf owns up to his style and what he does.

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Well, I texted you-

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I'm not trying to defend Wolf at all.

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No.

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He could be the biggest piece of shit in the world.

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I have no idea.

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I texted you earlier, I was like, give me a reason to read this book and I can't think

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of any reason.

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I believe my response was, I can't.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if there's any value in it.

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I think it could just reinforce a lot of ideas that people already have.

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That's my main issue with it is every story that's come out has completely corroborated

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what people want to be true.

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And there's nothing to say that that's not true, but I don't know.

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No, absolutely not.

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I worry about the mentality of getting your beliefs affirmed when the source of that affirmation

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is not necessarily strictly credible.

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And is somebody who has a history of saying things that you want to be true.

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Right, right.

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And I've looked at, because he has been accused of fabricating quotes a number of times throughout

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his career.

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And I looked at some of them and some of them were like, yeah, he's probably lying about

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this.

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And some of them are like, oh, they don't want this out.

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Yeah.

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There are probably, there are at least a few examples, because he wrote a book called Burn

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Rate.

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And it was about his time at tech startups.

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How techly water boils?

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Nope.

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Okay.

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Tech startup type stuff.

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And he was talking about these CEOs who were all doing Coke and were assholes and shit

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like that.

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And some of their quotes were challenged.

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And obviously-

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Obviously they do Coke and say dumb shit.

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Yeah.

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I don't find that hard to believe.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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But, you know, there's a lot of quotes that a lot of people say that they don't want out

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necessarily.

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And Bannon has a history of that.

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Bannon and Mooch both ended up-

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Just say random ass shit whenever they feel like it.

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Probably drunkenly calling reporters and not telling them it's off the record.

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Which is a delight.

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So you have these guys who are like, you guys are shit.

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Yeah.

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I fucking talk shit with you.

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Yeah.

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You asshole.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then, I don't know.

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It says a lot that Bannon hasn't, at least at the point where we're recording this, come

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out and been like, I didn't say those things.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Or the fact that Trump put out that statement.

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Right.

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His denial is the best proof.

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That was what I was trying to get to.

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Right when we were starting.

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The beginning of this, when I was talking about everyone sort of treating it as if it's

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real when you don't need to respond.

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Alex played himself a little bit in terms of not getting it together and figuring out

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how to approach this narrative.

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But Trump really played himself.

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Yeah.

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And I think that what that-

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Who could have guessed that?

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And what that has to mean to me, I think, is that Wolf was around the White House.

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Yeah.

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And I think that he, Trump is worried that those quotes and a lot of the stuff that's

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going to be in that are true.

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Absolutely.

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But I don't know.

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It's tough to war games this.

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Some would, some are true, some aren't true.

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That's kind of the situation.

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Right.

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By denying it, you verify that at the very least, some are true.

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Or at the very least, you indicate that you're shook.

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You at least show your cards that you're worried.

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Yes.

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When in all reality, all you have to do is say nothing.

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Yeah.

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That's all you have to do.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Even better if you were just like, this guy is beneath me.

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Yeah.

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I don't need to respond to this.

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Are you guys aware of this guy's career?

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Yeah.

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Like, please, I'm not going to dignify this with a response.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Anybody who wasn't like, uh-oh, probably would behave that way.

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Yeah.

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Is that that statement was advised to him by lawyers or something like that, or maybe

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not even lawyers.

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People around him.

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Right.

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Being like, get ahead of the story.

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Get ahead of this.

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Yeah.

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And I think that that's telling.

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Anyway, back to the clip.

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And he's gone to say, quote, I'll do whatever is necessary to get the story.

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Again, this is about Michael Wolff.

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Any journalist would say that.

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Right.

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Wolff in journalist's clothing.

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By the way, this guy looks so disingenuous.

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I saw a photo of him last night smiling, and it reminded me of a piece I've been wanting

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to do for months.

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Guys, go to Google Images and get Brian Stelter smiling.

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It is the most disingenuous, Wolff-like demon face I've ever seen.

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And then you look at Wolff, it looks like Wolff is Brian Stelter's real daddy.

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Oh, boy.

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That makes perfect sense.

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So there's a couple of things I want to bring into real sharp focus here.

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First, Alex Jones hates Brian Stelter.

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We've covered this in the past.

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He called him Mr. Not Mr. Creepy.

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That was the guy with the mustache.

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But he went on that long jag talking about how Brian Stelter wants to get you in a van

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and shit like that.

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He has a long documented history of hating Brian Stelter.

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And so that's not surprising.

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What is surprising to me is that for months, he's been planning on doing a special report

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about Brian Stelter's smile.

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I am amazed that it has.

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I'm amazed he didn't say for years I've been planning on doing that.

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I don't know if Stelter's been on the scene for years is the thing.

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I think he's I mean, he's come to my awareness pretty recently.

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I'm going to be honest.

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I'm going back and forth between pictures of Michael Wolff and Brian Stelter.

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He's got an argument because they're Alex has a no, no, no.

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Their smile is is oddly similar.

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All right.

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Fine.

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Anyway, let's let's get let's get let's get deeper into this and enjoy where the rant

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kicks off in earnest.

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I'll come find it during the break because there's no way for you guys know which ones

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I want.

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It's Brian Stelter.

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There it is.

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Oh, my God.

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I mean, that is a horror movie cover.

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Seriously.

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He is scarier looking than at the clown.

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I mean, would you let your children anywhere near that psychopath?

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I mean, that is a psychopath right there.

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I mean, look at him.

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God.

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Oh, I mean, it just it cries out.

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Danger.

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Danger.

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Alert.

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Alert.

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I am a scumbag.

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I am filth.

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I am your enemy.

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And then you look at the photos of Wolff smiling.

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And it's the only person I've ever seen that looks that creepy, man.

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Oh, I can see it's a still image photo of him smiling the same way with that power trip

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look in his eyes.

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It's in Google Images.

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Just type in Michael Wolff journalist.

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That's his cover.

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And you'll see the Brian Stelter look.

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I believe he is related to Stelter.

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He's got to be.

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I mean.

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Folks, I would literally not be able to finish my dinner.

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So if somebody walked over and talked to me that looked like these two guys and I'm sorry,

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they're not just lying anti-American scumbags that want to run us all on the ground because

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they're little man.

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They're pieces of crap.

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They think they're better than everybody.

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That's what it's about.

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It's the spirit of evil and we must break them.

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So I mean, this is boring to us.

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Yeah, everyone everyone really loves this, but this is boring to us because it's so standard.

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Yeah, it's so much what Alex does.

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Even he can't get past like I am going to keep reminding you about this.

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This is about two men's smile.

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But he never can really even address things differently than they think they're better

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than us.

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They think they're better than me.

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They think they're so smart.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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It's all it's all so standard.

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It's insecure.

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Yeah, that's all that's all he's got.

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It is.

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It is fun.

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It's fun to see what goes viral and imagine how much we would ruin it.

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Like even currently, we're just like, yeah, that's him.

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Have you guys not?

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Oh, no, you haven't.

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OK, well, fine.

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We do this so much.

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Yeah.

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Enjoy.

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Enjoy this viral clip.

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Or you could listen to our show five years for five months ago.

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You could do that.

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I would say that there is still some things that are worth it and pretty fun within this

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viral rant.

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I'm in.

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But it bears mentioning like this is not like this is par for the course for Alex.

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Yeah, I know.

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But you guys could have just watched the show at any point.

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I'm petty.

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I'm worried that I'm not that smart.

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I'm insecure.

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Those guys are thinner than me.

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I lie all the time.

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And therefore, I'm worried that this other guy is lying.

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Right.

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It's just it's very it is his psychology bores me.

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Yes, exactly.

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So here we get into some evil talk.

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And now is somebody a protofile?

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No, we don't get there.

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I don't think yet, but don't get me wrong.

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We'll get there.

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We'll get there.

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No, no, no.

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Don't worry.

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I knew we were going to bring pedophile into this.

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So far, we're just at evil.

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And then Alex makes a claim that I strongly disagree with.

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Any time I need energy now, I'm hanging Wolf and Stelter and Hillary.

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She's the other person that's got the same demon look.

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I'm better than you.

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I'm smarter than you.

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I'm a ravenous piece of garbage.

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And I'm going to hang all three of them on my office wall.

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In fact, I'm putting their faces up all over the office because I want people to know who

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the enemy is.

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Unbelievable.

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Is that his ringtone?

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You guys still haven't found the one.

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It's a body shot of Wolf.

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And he's looking down with that just that disingenuous predator look of I'm not even

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hiding the fact that I hate everybody and that I'm a piece of crap and I want to abuse

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you and I want to lie to you and I want to hurt you.

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But then there's a disingenuousness where he thinks you don't know.

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And it's like a joke that we're not in on right now.

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That's not it.

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It's a body shot.

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It's him kind of looking down and he's got that same smile as Stelter.

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And these aren't photos that they themselves put out as publicity photos.

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I've tried to do joke photos like this to look disingenuous and I can make any face

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I want to.

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I can't pull it off because the eyes, Chico, it's always in the eyes.

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So I invite anybody to just Google pictures of Alex Jones and look at his creepy ass eyes.

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I you can hear how creepy his eyes are when he fake laughs.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, you can hear it.

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I don't even need to see the video.

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I'm just like, oh, his eyes probably look creepy while he's fake laughing.

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This premise of like I can't even get myself to look evil like these fucks is so flawed.

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It's a it's a that is a good flawed premise right there.

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Any Google image search you have of Alex Jones, you're going to see a real disastrous face.

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OK, now hold on.

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A devastating thing.

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Let's let's try and figure out.

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Let's parse first off that sentence.

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I love it.

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Second off, what that look would be bad.

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So the first part of that sentence is they know you can see it in their eyes when they're

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looking at you.

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I'm lying to you.

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I'm telling you of falsehoods.

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I'm trying to eat you.

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But then also there's a disingenuous look of you don't know.

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Right.

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Rainier game thing.

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Yeah.

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What does that face look like?

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What even what even is he describing?

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He's just fucking letting off steam.

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I know.

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But the face that he's describing is somebody who's eating you while at the same time lying

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to you about thinking that you don't know.

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He's mad that he got launched off on a narrative about Steve Bannon losing his mind and shit

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like that.

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That's going to make his job so much more difficult now.

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Right.

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Because I think he's bitter about Michael Wolff.

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Right.

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He's bitter that he didn't do his research on him before he committed to, hey, Bannon's

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lost his mind and has armed security around him at all times.

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He has paramilitary troops guarding him and shit like that.

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Yeah.

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He I think he's mad about that.

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I think he's probably a little bit mad at Trump for that statement because it boxes

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him into a corner.

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Now I don't think that he can credibly cite Breitbart now loses one of his allies, his

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major allies.

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But he already thinks that Bannon has lost his mind.

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So that means the entirety of Breitbart is pretty much gone.

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And it calls into question so many of the narratives that Breitbart pushed that Alex

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jumped on before.

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It calls into question Alex's credibility and he knows that if anyone's paying attention,

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that is a thought that they have to have is like, hey, if Bannon is this manipulative

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and this fucking crazy.

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He didn't just get there overnight.

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Like he's always been that guy.

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And therefore, look at the narratives that were coming out of Breitbart and think about

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whether they're true or not.

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Think about whether or not you, Alex Jones, got sued by Hamdi Ulukaya of Chobani Yogurt

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because of stories that you doubled down on that were published in Breitbart.

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Now is that does that give you any pause?

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Do you now look at that slightly different Alex Emerick Jones?

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Do you realize how played you've been?

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You are taking the second step, which, as we both know, is not a possible thing for

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the world of Alex Jones.

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It's fascinating.

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Like he's going to do another Breitbart story tomorrow.

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Probably does on this show.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's probably true.

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Yeah.

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I mean, so far we've just had AOL.

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And in Breitbart, we're reporting that, oh, he's not the Redditor right now.

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I've got some steam coming out of my collared shirt.

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I just I don't I don't understand this level of stupid.

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Like legitimately, if we had a source that we really liked and then it came out like,

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oh, this person's nuts, probably be like, hey, sorry, we we covered that stuff.

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And at the same time, call into question all the, you know, the things that were laid,

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the track that was laid because of stories from the source.

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Do we have a source that we really like?

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I feel like we kind of hate everybody.

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I like primary sources.

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No, I mean, that's the show.

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Oh, no, it's credible.

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Yeah.

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Credible, credible sources.

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No, I don't I take everything with a grain.

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I think we I think like even you like you like Greenwald a little bit, but you admit

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that.

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No, I think I think Greenwald is a complete you cited him a number of times cited him

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a number of times.

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Right.

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At the same time, I think he's a complete asshole.

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Sure.

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And I think he's wrong at least as much as he's right.

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Like anything he says I take with a grain of salt.

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Yeah.

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Early on.

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I like early on on the show.

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Alex, in particular, probably gave too much credibility to some stuff that had been on

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Twitter.

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But we addressed that at the time.

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Right.

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And, you know, apologized.

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Yeah.

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No, I adjusted.

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That's what Alex is not doing.

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Even people that we've talked about before, like Sarah Kenzior, that kind of thing.

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Like I like her.

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I think she's doing good work.

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But at the same time, I'm going to take everything she says with a grain of salt.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Anybody who is predictive frustrates and angers me.

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Well, predictive, predictive punditry, I guess if you want to call it that.

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Yeah.

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It seems unfair, but maybe.

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If you want to call it that, there's the problem of the future.

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Yeah.

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You can always have things be right or wrong if you're predicting stuff.

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Yes.

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That's why I bucked at the end of last year.

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You asked me for years' predictions.

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Like nah.

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Right.

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Not going to do it.

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I think I'm, I think I still nailed it though.

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I think white people are going to be an issue.

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Probably.

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Speaking of a white guy that's an issue.

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Hey!

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Nice transition.

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Nice transition.

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This rant's not nearly done.

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And again, I am always following my gut from now on with people.

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And how, just like Trump said, and they got big studies out.

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You can tell if somebody's lying.

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You can tell if somebody's been sick even a few hours, even though the virus or bacteria

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hasn't really replicated.

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What he's talking about-

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I know, I know that.

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I saw that.

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Yeah.

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What he's talking about is that there are indications you can have.

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It doesn't mean that everyone can pick up on those indications.

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Right.

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No, it's a-

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It's not like, hey, everyone has a superpower where they can tell if you're sick or lying.

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Right.

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It's just that, you know, there are little cues-

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Right.

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That you can get.

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Or like a genuine smile.

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Like there's something about the eyebrows or some shit like that that go up in whatever

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way.

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I'm certain there is.

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Yeah.

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I'm sure there is.

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I don't give a shit.

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Yeah.

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That sort of, that area of study has always been like interesting, but at the same time

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I don't want to use it.

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Yeah.

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No kidding.

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Like the sort of body language specialists they have on TV.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I don't want to, I don't want to boil down interaction to that level.

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Very Malcolm Gladwellian, so to speak.

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Hey, you love him.

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I do not.

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Ah.

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Ah.

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Your brain is such a supercomputer that your first shallow approximation is not shallow.

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It's the deepest thing, to paraphrase the president.

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But just look at Stelter again.

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Put him on screen.

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I think there's all the broadcast should be is just a photo of Stelter smiling.

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Ugh, ugh, oh my gosh, oh, hell on earth.

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He's struggling now to try and figure out what to talk about other than Stelter is weird.

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Ugh, ugh.

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It's almost orgasmic.

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That's his Bernie Sanders, isn't it?

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It's close.

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So, he pivots from near orgasmic moaning into this.

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He wants to run your life.

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He wants to control every aspect of your life because he knows he is a cowardly degenerate

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sack of anti-human trash.

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I like a man with ambition.

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I pledge before my heavenly father.

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So he's going to pledge.

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Time to pray.

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He's going to pledge to Jesus.

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Time to pray, Dan.

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But like, Brian Stelter wants to control everything.

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He's an ambitious man, even though he knows he's a coward.

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He's very ambitious.

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He's on CNN.

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Yeah, he's a coward, though.

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You can tell he's a coward.

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It's crazy to think that a high schooler would be like, I'm going to be on CNN.

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That's very ambitious.

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Yeah.

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I don't think he wants to rule the world.

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Well, it's crazy that somebody like Paul Ryan is like, we have been dreaming about disabling

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and destroying the welfare state since college.

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Yeah.

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That's a weird thing to dream about.

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That's also ambitious.

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Yeah, it's ambitious.

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The wrong direction.

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Yeah.

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That I will resist them every way I can.

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These people are the literal demon spawn of the pit of hell.

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Look at him.

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And you know what?

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He is better than you.

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If you keep letting him run your life.

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He runs your kids.

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He runs the schools.

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He runs the banks.

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This guy, the spirit, this smiling, leering devil that thinks you can't see what he is.

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He is your enemy, period, very musical tone to all the narcissistic devil worshipping

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filth.

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I see you enemy.

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I see you enemy, enemy, enemy, you are my enemy.

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And I swear total resistance to you with everything I've got.

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You don't really have a choice at this point.

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Yeah, I know.

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You're kind of, you're kind of in there.

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You've made your bed.

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Yeah.

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This is not like an impressive moral stand against Brian Stelter.

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But at the same time, like what he's saying is like these smiles reveal the demonic force

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that's behind them.

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So when he says that Brian Stelter runs the schools and runs the banks, he's talking about

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the demon that possesses him.

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And now here's where we have to get into like a really...

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Are we sure he's talking about that, Dan?

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Yeah, he did say that.

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I think you were laughing when he said that.

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But like what we really have to get into is this schizophrenia because it's really close

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to David Icke in terms of David Icke saying that people are shape shifting lizards and

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what have you.

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Whenever he...

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Like David Icke, when he got a divorce, one of the grounds for divorce was that his wife

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was a lizard.

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Ooh, that.

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I mean, is that, was he in a no fault state?

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Because I feel like, I feel like grounds for like, if she is a lizard, that is kind of

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deceptive.

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I don't know how England's laws work, so I can't comment on that.

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But like that is, that is the sort of mentality that Alex is manifesting.

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It's like anybody who's against us, I see a demon inside them.

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And that is really fucked up.

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That's really no way for us to operate as a society.

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Is...

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Okay.

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Like as much as we, as much as we clown on Alex and we're like, he's stupid and all this,

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we're not saying he's a demon who never, never, never go to that extent because there's very

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easy psychological explanations.

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He's damaged.

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He's from his childhood.

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He's probably brain damaged.

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Depending on, depending on which way you want to go, he has borderline personality disorder

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or oppositional defiance disorder, or he's a psychopath.

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Don't break the Goldwater rule.

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Yeah, I think we're past that.

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I think the Goldwater rule is out the window.

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And we're not, we're not professionals.

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No.

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But I just, I really, I really resent that.

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I really don't like that sort of approach because it's a dangerous thing.

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It's a dangerous game to play because you can just apply it to anybody.

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Yeah.

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And almost anybody has an unflattering picture of them that you could dig up somewhere where

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they look evil.

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You know, especially with Facebook now, if you could just get on someone's Facebook,

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you could find some crazy picture and just be like, look at this guy, he's evil.

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I feel like I don't have any pictures where I look evil so much more as like, if you get

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me from the right angle and the way my hair is parted, I look kind of like a penis.

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Like that's...

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Evil.

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Fair.

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Evil penis.

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Fair.

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I do look like an evil penis.

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All right, so Alex at this point decides he's going to just jump into freaking out about

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demons.

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Of course.

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Disingenuous, fake, false, broke back, twisted, a defiler, a betrayer, a backstabber, a devil.

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You will pay.

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Yeah.

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You think I don't see your face, scum?

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You don't think I don't see you, Stelter?

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I see you.

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You understand me?

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I know what you think of me and my family.

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I see you right back.

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You understand that?

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You understand that, Stelter?

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Yes, Stelter.

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You will fall.

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You will not bring humanity down.

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God is going to destroy you.

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Get him off the screen.

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God, they're so evil.

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Please, please, God, free us from them.

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They're drunk on our children's blood for God's sake.

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So that is something that could be tossed aside as an aside, but as we know from listening

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to him, he genuinely believes that the globalists drink children's blood to harvest adrenochrome

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and get high off of it, which of course is silly and also an archaic antisemitic canard.

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This is the blood libel coming back into effect.

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Yeah.

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They're coming for our women.

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Yep.

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And now is probably a good time for me to bring up that Michael Wolff is Jewish.

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And now is another good time for me to bring up that Alex thinks that Brian Stelter is

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Jewish.

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But?

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He was raised a Christian, he's now an atheist, but his wife is Jewish.

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Ah, well that's all I need to know.

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He was married in a Jewish ceremony.

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And I don't think that that's a coincidence.

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I think that Alex, when he's talking about these people looking evil, I think he's responding

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to very Semitic, uh, archetypal facial features and the like.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That sounds right.

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Yeah.

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I think that's what this is all about.

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Really?

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Well, I think it's, I think it's, I feel like Alex doesn't have the time to be conscious

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level though.

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No, no, no.

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This level of 10 minutes at the top of his show, screaming about them being demons.

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And then slipping into their drunk on our children's blood kind of shit.

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Why is it Stelter again?

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Is there a reason that it's Stelter?

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Because he has a smile that's like Michael Wolff's.

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That's it.

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No, no, I know.

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But he also just hates Brian Stelter because he said a few things that are judgmental of

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Trump in the past.

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Oh.

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And because he works for CNN, who as we know is ISIS.

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ISIS.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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But I don't think it's a coincidence that the rant that he's going on isn't substantive

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about Wolff at all.

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Right.

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Because Wolff looks evil and that links him to Brian Stelter, who also looks evil.

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And you even said they could be related.

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You looked at pictures of them and what you're responding to is also fairly Jewish facial

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traits.

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Am I anti-Semitic?

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You might've been a little bit.

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I did not know that.

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Well, I don't, I don't think your version is harmful in saying that they could be related,

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but again, Brian Stelter isn't Jewish.

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They have similar facial features.

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That's not my fault.

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Brian Stelter isn't Jewish, but I think Alex is operating on an assumption that he is.

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I don't know.

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Now I'm concerned.

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You shouldn't be concerned.

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Now I'm concerned.

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You should be more concerned about the fact that that's probably what's motivating this

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demonic vitriol that Alex has and the fact that he's not addressing any of the real issues

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about Wolff.

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If he was really just mad about Wolff being a liar and trying to take out his president,

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there's a lot more valuable approaches to take.

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Like quite frankly, if he were just to go over his career and you were to address the

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idea that this guy is a creative nonfiction writer basically, and that he spent his life

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manufacturing stories that are spiritually accurate but not literally accurate, he could

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get a lot of sale out of that.

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He could get a lot of narratives about like, we should just not believe this guy.

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He has an agenda.

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He could do any of those things.

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The fact that he's focusing almost exclusively on appearance and relating it to demons and

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then relating demons to, they're drunk on our children's blood, means that those things

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are connected in his brain.

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This appearance is a sign of a demon within you that wants to drink our children's blood.

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That is inexorable in my mind.

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They're connected.

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Not to come to Alex's defense, because as we know, that's not a thing I like to do.

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But generally speaking, Alex goes after everybody's appearance.

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True.

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But often it's like they're ugly.

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Like with Megyn Kelly, he's like, she's ugly.

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It's not that she's a demon and wants to drink your children's blood.

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Right.

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No, but he's done that plenty of times before.

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Right.

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And disregarded, I think that's just more of his go-to move.

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Anytime he feels challenged by anybody intellectually is he tries to cut them down appearance-wise.

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You're not wrong.

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You're not wrong.

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I think that I might be drawing too sharp a connection, and I would never make the argument

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that Alex is aware that this is what he's doing.

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I just think that it is such a piece of his sort of worldview that you can't get away

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from it.

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Right, right.

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But like I was saying, I don't think that Alex literally believes...

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I think he believes this, but I don't think he knows he believes it.

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And I'm certain that he doesn't understand where these narratives come from.

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I would say that this particular kind of thing may be subconscious, because I don't think

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he has time amidst all of his hate to specifically single out Jews.

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No, but what I would posit is that he doesn't have the time, because if he did, it would

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deconstruct so much of what he believes.

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Right.

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Like if he had the time to look into, like, why the fuck do I think that these elites

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drink children's blood and scare them first, and he'd be like, little Google.

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Little Google.

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A lot of blood-drinking traces back to something.

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William of Norwich.

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Well, like, if he were to do that, he would only have two possible outcomes.

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One would be, oh shit, so much of this is based on this blood libel shit, I gotta deal

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with this more realistically.

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Right.

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Or he would have to be like, shit, since the, like, 1400s, Jews have been doing this.

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Oh my God.

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And then he'd have to turn into David Duke.

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Now that would be funny.

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Right.

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And then that would be negative, but if all of a sudden, on his show, he has a revelation

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moment where he's just like, it's Jews' fault, you'd be like, alright dude, let's find out

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where this shit goes.

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It would be like watching someone come out of the closet.

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Oh, for sure.

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It would be like, we know, Alex, just say it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We've known you were anti-Semitic forever.

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It would be a problem, but it would be a relief.

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Right.

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Just embrace it.

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Not like embrace it, but at least, if it's out in the open, we can all deal with it.

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And now's the time to make clear that anti-Semitism and being gay are not related at all.

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No, I don't...

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Lest anyone take that out of context.

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Look, if this is your first time listening to this show, let's make it very clear.

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I think everybody else knows that we're kind of against anti-Semitism.

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I shouldn't have said kind of.

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I'm gonna go 100% against anti-Semitism.

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So let's get back to this rant.

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I forgot.

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I mean, let's talk about this, because in that last clip, I forgot, but I was so caught

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up in the children's blood and what have you that I forgot the true comedy of Stelter.

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Stelter!

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My mortal enemy!

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It also has the feel of, like, Bueller's Day off, like, Bueller!

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You've done it again, Stelter.

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You've done it again!

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Anyway.

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Okay, I'm gonna stop right now.

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You're not.

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I'm gonna find the photo of a wolf.

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The author of the...

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I'm just giving you a little bit of how they feel about you, see?

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But not the same spirit, from a spirit of will and strength against evil and recognizing

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evil and letting it know that you understand what it's up to and that you see it.

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You understand?

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Because they don't want to be identified, but they want to hang it out right there in

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front of you and not be identified, like the Joker.

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I see it.

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I know what your real face is.

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Oh, they just absolutely love to hurt innocents.

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They just rub their hands together to break down civilization, to destroy families, to

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defile everything they can, and to deceive and to mislead.

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So again, so much of that, even right there, goes back to the Protocols of the Elders of

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Zion in terms of its conception of the globalist.

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So, I mean, we could do this every day whenever we cover anything that goes back to antisemitism,

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but it is valuable to bring up that the destruction of the family, lying to everybody, controlling

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the media, that stuff is all the globalist New World Order conception that is crafted

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from the fraudulent text, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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To me, it seems kind of odd for him to pull that language out specifically because even

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at my worst enemy, the only people I can think of who do delight in that kind of torture

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are serial killers.

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Right, but he thinks that the globalists are serial killers.

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I know, but I mean, even like, I think bankers are, in general, psychopaths who are murdering

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us all, but at the same time, I know they go home and they actually care about their

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families or whatever bullshit.

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Most of them, yeah.

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You know, like that kind of a thing.

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I don't think...

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Well, at the same rate as anyone does.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, like there are people who are psychopaths through and through, but that doesn't mean

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that you can be, like, you can't do a sort of exploitative job and then have a normal

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life.

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I would say there's a, like, whatever, like in Jon Ronson's The Psychopath Test, I would

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say that there's probably a higher percentage in banking and politics and that type of thing

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of psychopaths, but I still don't think they delight in torture in the same way that certain

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serial killers do.

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Right.

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Do you know what I mean?

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There are a lot of psychopaths in the general population who just, like, don't give a shit,

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you know?

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Totally.

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Like, that's just kind of their deal.

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Yep.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what I was going to say.

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I had a rebuttal, not a rebuttal, but sort of another thing, but I don't know what it

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was.

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Anyway.

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Build their own universe of fraud.

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This is the compendium of their abomination desolation.

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That's a good rhyme.

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Not really.

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Let me continue here for a second.

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The author of the explosive new Trump book says he can't be sure if parts of it are true

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and just does whatever it takes to get in the nose.

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Oh, there you go.

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Again, read the articles, Alex.

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Not what he said.

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Read the articles.

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Anyway, here's the end.

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Also, in Michael Wolff's book, from what I have heard about it, Trump at a certain point,

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they're like, you know, all he does is read the headlines and I'm like, ah, ah.

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That's why they get along.

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Yeah, you guys are kindred spirits.

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Well, there is that thing that was from that excerpt where Trump was quoted as saying he

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didn't know who John Boehner was, and that's not realistic.

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I didn't know that.

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There's one point where I believe Roger Ailes suggested Boehner as a chief of staff, as

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I remember the excerpt, and Trump's response was, who is that?

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And I don't think that that can possibly be true.

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Well, even if that is, like, I could see that being true in more of like a sarcastic kind

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of biting sense of like, who even is that, you know, that kind of a thing.

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I would say that's probably, if you're taking that out of context, you could see that as

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like him being a doddering old sunlighter, you know.

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I think it's impossible to sort of look at that as literally true, like that he doesn't

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know this person who he's, he's tweeted about him a bunch.

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Yeah, forever.

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Yeah.

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But, yeah, I don't know, but I just, Alex has got to read, he's got to start reading

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that.

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Oh, that's the other thing I wanted to bring up.

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When we were talking about this idea of like his conception of the globalist as psychopaths

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and shit like that, for like this year especially, and a couple months before 2018 hit, I'd been

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reading a lot of primary globalist texts that Alex Jones puts out as like, these are evil.

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And you have come to the conclusion that Alex is correct.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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I've read multiple reports from the Club of Rome.

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Yes.

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I've read most of Ecoscience, the 1600-page book by John P. Holdren.

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Right.

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I've read countless other things.

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Some Zbrignon Brzezinski books.

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Right.

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I've read some writings by like Singer.

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And one of the things that I'm coming away...

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Not Bryan Singer.

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No, no, no.

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No, fuck him.

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One of the things that I'm coming away from it with is actually a growing respect for

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people...

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The globalists.

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Well, not the globalists, but people in charge.

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Right.

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Like, I'm coming away from it with a very expanded respect for how difficult choices

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are.

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Yes.

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And how big the world is.

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Right.

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And how...

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Especially, like we talked about this I think a little bit before, but the Club of Rome,

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one of their big things is that they look at the world's problems as being interconnected.

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And how if you work on one problem, often you can hurt another problem.

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And when you look at the world from that sort of holistic view, it becomes really difficult

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to make a choice.

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It becomes really difficult to advocate for a certain position.

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It's the paralysis of the serial aisle.

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Right.

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And they don't.

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They generally don't advocate for a certain position.

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Right.

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They discuss like, these are the things that could happen when X, Y, or Z happens.

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And it's fascinating to me.

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It makes me feel much more like we're in good hands.

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Well...

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Because there are people who are going through that level of analysis.

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Yeah.

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And I couldn't do that.

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No, I mean, that's kind of the ultimate failure of...

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Alex Jones is having the opposite effect on me that he would want to have.

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No, of course.

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I mean, that's kind of the failure of what Trump really is, is he thinks it's just a

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guy who can do a thing.

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Right.

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And that's just not how it works.

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Like to me, I think I can tell you a lot of solutions to problems.

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But if I were to apply a solution to a problem, that would almost certainly fuck up another

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issue.

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Which is...

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Like a G variable, A, B, C, D, down to G variable that you hadn't considered would be completely

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fucked up.

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Which is what Obama did do very well.

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He just didn't do certain solutions the way that would have been perhaps best, you know?

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And we'll get deeper into this as time goes on.

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But one of the things that I've also found pretty fascinating is I've read some conservative

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publications too that Alex complains about, and I'm finding pretty similar things there.

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Like I disagree with their positions, but they're certainly not nearly as evil as Alex

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paints them out to be.

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Like even the Project for a New American Century document, like there's a lot of problems in

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that and I disagree with a lot of the world view, but if you actually go read it, I'm

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not convinced that most of their intention wasn't to create a better situation where

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the United States could help the world.

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I don't know if...

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I don't think it's proof that they did 9-11.

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There are a lot of really fucked up things that you can find therein, but I think that

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generally, I don't know, it's weird that I'm starting to have a trust of government.

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That is very strange.

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But again, these aren't really necessarily the government, they're sort of non-governmental

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organizations.

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Strangely enough, do you know what one thing that I have actually been coming, not around

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on, but have been starting to respect?

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Trump's position on North Korea.

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Like in all honesty, I'm starting to...

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That's wild.

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I know, it's very wild, but I'm starting to think like, just like Nixon's position of...

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Going to China?

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Yeah, no, no, no.

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You want crazy?

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I'll show you fucking crazy.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, like that kind of a thing?

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In some ways that is effective.

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You think you're loco?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Like there is a certain extent of maybe just call their fucking bluff, like that could

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be a thing.

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Like, I don't know.

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Like the issue with that is that it's so high risk, it seems insane.

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There's zero room for if he has pocket aces or whatever, then the game is over.

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You're all in and you have a loser hand.

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And I think...

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Right.

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It's a fascinating idea that...

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I disagree with you coming around on it.

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No, no, no.

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Okay.

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Maybe coming around on it should be a very qualified position.

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I think I am starting to see, even by accident, because it's clearly by accident.

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There's no like thoughtful position behind, I've got a bigger dick than you.

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But at the same time, like...

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Also, that really pissed Alex off.

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Yeah?

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Everyone talking about how those tweets were really about Trump's dick really pissed Alex

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off.

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Really?

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He spent a good like five, 10 minutes talking about how like, come on, man, that's nonsense.

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Why are you trying to make this about sex?

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This is about buttons.

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No.

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This is about nukes.

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And everyone talks about how Trump's hands are so small.

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His hands are fine.

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But that's about his dick.

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And also everybody knows that it's more about your feet.

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That is a paraphrased quote from his show.

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Do you mean Alex was talking about his dick?

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In the defense of Trump not talking about his dick, Alex is like, I'm talking about

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my dick.

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Everyone knows it's feet.

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Crazy.

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I don't know, man.

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Like I agree, I agree that there may be some validity to calling bluffs and what have you,

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but at the same time, where do you get after you call that bluff?

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No, of course.

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No, no, no.

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The situation doesn't become stabilized.

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The only way you can call the bluff really is to attack.

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And if you attack, then there is no bluff, South Korea still gets destroyed.

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I'm not saying it's a good idea.

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I'm saying that I am starting to see, again, like you said, certain merits to the concept.

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They're not thoughtful.

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They're not thought out.

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Let me push back against that.

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Because I think that actually what's going on is partially what you're talking about,

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but also partially a maintenance of the status quo.

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Because I think with this like war of words that he's having over Twitter and this antagonizing

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of Kim Jong-un, what you have is a maintenance of the sort of strategic tension that we have

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in the world with like this rogue state wants to attack its neighbors and their weird despotic

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regime and, you know, we can't really do anything about it because they're going to attack everybody.

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That sort of status quo has lived with us since the Cold War.

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That's a really good point.

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And what he's doing is not attacking them.

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He's not addressing the situation.

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He's just escalating that status quo.

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Right.

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So now the status quo is going to be all of us scared all the time that he's going to

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say the wrong thing.

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Yes.

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And then Kim Jong-un is going to...

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So what you're saying is that this is simply a more public version of mutually assured

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destruction that you would have seen in, you know, late 60s with the, quote, Russian menaces.

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Somewhat.

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Yeah.

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But I also think still...

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You just didn't hear fucking Eisenhower be like, hey, I got a bigger dick than Russia

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on Twitter.

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Yeah.

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I still don't think anyone's going to pop off.

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Like I still don't think either Trump or Un is going to nuke anybody.

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But the fear to me has nothing to do with those two lunatics and everything to do with

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what happened in Russia multiple times of just like, we're going to prepare for this

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eventuality.

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Then there's some kind of glitch or whatever.

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And some low level guy is just like, I was told to push this button.

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And that's that.

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And when you're in a regime like North Korea, there's much less chance that they are going

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to be as restrained as the Russians who saved the world.

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Right.

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We know of one.

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The singular Russian dude who saved the world.

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We know of one, but there's nothing to say that that incident didn't happen more than

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once.

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No, I would say...

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Or even here.

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No, of course.

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I would say it probably, if you know of one, it probably happened between four and six

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times like that kind of a thing.

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So that's kind of...

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The potential for accidents is very high.

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Right.

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That's not, my fear isn't these two idiots.

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It's, you know, that trickle down effect of everybody is constantly on red alert and always

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afraid.

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And when human beings are constantly on red alert, eventually you get a adrenaline situation.

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And you get a whoops.

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Exactly.

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I still look at...

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I think that that is something that is very valid and should be discussed more big picture.

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But at the same time, I still think, when I look at Trump and his behavior, I think

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it's abhorrent.

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But at the same time, the function of it really doesn't change the status quo with North Korea.

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It just makes everyone more scared.

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That is a really good point.

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And I think it's valid and I retract my position.

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Yes.

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First retraction of 2018.

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I'm going to start keeping track.

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You've extracted many from me over the years and I've only got a few from you.

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I think if we're going to keep the running tally...

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Well, that's because I'm more reasonable than you.

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That's true.

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Your positions are often half cocked.

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I love the passion.

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I am very much the guy that I am afraid of who might accidentally press the button.

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Well, it's tough.

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I mean, I think it's probably tough for us to sit here and have the...

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You stake a position and I'm like, well, hold on.

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When I spend literally almost all of my time reading these...

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I hate to keep going back to the Club of Rome, but these documents of...

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What you see when you read these documents are issues.

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There's an issue.

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There's a problem.

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And then it's 100 pages of what could happen and then let's analyze that.

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And so it's all like sort of...

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It's this gamesmanship in rhetoric through the text of like, if this, then what?

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And it gets me in that brain space.

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I don't know why I need to say this, but I feel like I do, which is that if I were in

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a position of actually making a decision with real world effects, I would be far more likely

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to do what you do.

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Let's run for president.

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You're just more willing to think about these things reasonably in a low stakes environment.

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Let's run for office.

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Whereas in my situation with such low stakes, I'm like, fuck it, let's say random ass bullshit,

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you know?

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I got a little wine in me.

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Let's run for office.

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Let's do it.

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You can be president.

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I'll be chief of staff.

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I feel like...

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Yeah, I feel like I would probably be a much better front man and I would just let you

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make all the decisions.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'll be your creepy chief of staff.

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Absolutely.

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Your Rasputin.

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You're the Bannon of this situation.

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How dare you?

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I'm trying to be less sloppy.

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All right, so we got one more clip of this rant and then we'll get to what happens throughout

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the rest of right after it.

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But this rant takes us out to a commercial break and it's mostly about demons.

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Naturally.

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So he just runs around and you know what I knew?

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He was such a charlatan, according to his own words, basically, Mr. Wolfie, that Mr.

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Wolf in journalist's clothing, as they're saying, but I said, oh, Bannon certainly

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is going to say he's been misquoted and this was hyperbole or he was juxtapositioning or

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he was devil's advocate.

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Because, you know, I wargame things here on air and the media takes out of context, even

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though 20 seconds before I said, I don't really believe this, but this is how they basically

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see it.

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And that's how they see it.

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That's what they do.

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They're of their father, the devil, a spirit they worship.

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They don't want you to know that it's all real and they are literal on their belly snakes

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now.

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I see the snakes in the grass.

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We will stand against them.

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I'm going to compose myself, but we'll be right back on the other side as we expose

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these wolves, these beasts that go about roaring, seeing who they may devour, stay with me.

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So that's a triumphant exit to break.

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Yes.

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Where are you at?

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Where are you at on that rant?

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That's what went viral.

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That's that's sort of the what everyone's talking about.

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I'm going to go with that's lame for us.

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It's interesting that I think our conversation of the ramifications of a lot of this stuff

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is much different than what the rest of the world is dealing with.

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I think we spiraled off on about 13 different tangents because to us, this is kind of run

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of the mill shit, right?

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Well, him freaking out and stuff like that.

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No, it's fun.

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I can see why people would see this as like a fun kind of thing to glom onto.

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Mainly because now I have the question.

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If they are literal on their belly snakes.

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Right.

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Stelter.

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Do they have fake arms and legs?

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Yes.

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OK.

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Yes.

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Who makes them?

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Because that's the guy we need to talk to.

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Bezos.

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That's the thing.

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All goes back to Amazon.

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It all goes back to Amazon?

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Absolutely.

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That I actually find that to be the most reasonable thing that has been said so far tonight.

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Amazon will one day make us all fake arms.

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As we are literal belly dwelling snakes.

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What a bunch of horseshit.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's weird to me.

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I always get kind of surprised by what captures people's attention in terms of Alex.

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We go back to this over and over again, but last year on the March 30th episode where

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he told Adam Schiff he was going to kick his ass, and then the rest of the episode is complete

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drunk nonsense.

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It's interesting to me that people glom on to that, I'm going to kick your ass, you pussy.

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Which is fun.

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As opposed to Alex Jones was drunk for three hours on air.

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I'm not racist.

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I love Mexican food, and Mexican women are very hot.

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There are four ways to learn.

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Right.

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It's interesting to me, and I get on one level why people shared this like crazy.

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Isn't it funny that he calls Brian Stelter a demon?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty standard.

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Yeah.

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Pretty run of the mill.

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Yeah, we've seen him call a lot of folks demons in the past.

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Also, it's important, I think.

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I genuinely believe that it's important to point out these things about the anti-Semitic

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rhetoric that he's spouting, and how all his complaints on this rant that went viral were

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about appearance, or they were triggered by appearance.

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That to me is not necessarily something I'm seeing being covered.

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That kind of bothers me, because I think anybody with a grasp of Alex, his history, what's

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important to him.

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What you're saying, what you said earlier about him criticizing everyone's appearance

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is totally valid, but it's not.

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He's saying that they're ugly.

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I want to clarify that in specific.

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I don't see an issue with your analysis, and I am not trying to defend him as a, he's an

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equal opportunity kind of hater.

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My point just being-

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Kind of is though, I mean, that's fair.

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I don't know.

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I definitely think that there is absolutely some anti-Semitic leanings behind it.

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I just wouldn't jump that far this particular time, is simply my point.

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I don't know.

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I think as we look at stuff like this, it is-

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Although maybe that's a preemptive defense, because whenever I looked at their pictures,

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they're both bald, which I think is Jewish.

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Yeah.

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I don't know, man.

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I wish I hadn't said that.

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Oh boy.

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So in this next clip, Alex comes back from commercial break, and he has a very, very

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weird take on sort of the Iran protests.

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Yes.

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This has a lot to do with liberals hating you, but then he gets into that, and I think

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that there's-

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I am immediately very self-conscious.

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I really wish I hadn't said that.

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I think you're fine.

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It was a joke.

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You're fine.

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It was not a, God, I-

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You're fine.

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People like Hillary Clinton like to hurt people.

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Sure.

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Fake journalist, this wolf in the henhouse, Michael Wolff, people like him enjoy the climate

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of fake news media, corporate media, and the open season on the truth, open season on the

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president, open season on loyal, decent, hardworking, honorable folks.

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Wolf season.

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Duck season.

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Open season, because the trash knows it's being taken out, and so the trash is fighting

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for its political, cultural, and spiritual life, and its life is culturally ruling us.

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Leftist globalism allied with Islam, as Paul Watson's report on Infowars.com breaks it

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down, is allied with radical Islam and is saying it isn't feminist to take your hijab

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off, and the women standing up getting shot and killed in Iran and places like Tehran,

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they're not good, and Iran and the mullahs are good.

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Paul Watson lays it out, news articles, videos, progressive left, there's the title, progressive

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left embraces the hijab while actual feminists in Iran remove it to fight oppression, and

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in some cases get tortured and killed and shot, puts hundreds dead now, but that's okay

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because she, making a woman wear a hood over her head or cutting her genitals off is liberal,

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because that's what liberals want.

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If they can't cut your womb out, if they can't butcher your baby in the womb, they're gonna

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try to brain damage it with all their vaccines, their fluoride, and all the garbage.

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They admit that's their plan.

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That sounds right.

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That's poisoning the well narratives.

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That sounds right.

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That's all anti-Semitic shit too.

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If we can't cut out wombs, what are we doing?

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That's just anti-Semitic shit there too, man.

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That's like the poisoning the food, poisoning the water, the vaccines are tainted, that's

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all poisoning the well shit.

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Coming for your women.

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Becomes so boring.

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But also this is such a massive misunderstanding of people's positions, and that is that if

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you want the liberals, people on the left, what he's talking about is like Linda Sarsour

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and those type of folks, their argument is if you want to wear a hijab, you can.

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I almost slipped into Alex's dumb pronunciation.

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No kidding.

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It's not anti-feminist to wear a hijab.

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It's not.

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It's anti-feminist to be forced to wear a hijab.

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Or to be forced not to.

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Hey!

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Those two things are the, they're the polar sides of the problem.

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I think our issue-

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Being able to choose-

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Our issue isn't with the hijab, and it's more with the force.

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I grew up with a Muslim family in my neighborhood, and I went to school with a number of Muslim

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children, and my dad is a religious studies professor, and so we were well plugged into

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communities.

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I knew tons of Muslim people growing up, and largely with girls that I knew who were Muslims,

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it was a choice for them.

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And that most of them chose too.

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Now whether or not that's social pressure or not, I'm not entirely sure, but it's in

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no way my place to say you're making the wrong choice.

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Exactly.

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Which is the issue I have with Quebec, because they just passed the hijab ban in public space

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is.

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That's crazy.

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Not just, but recently.

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That's crazy.

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It's crazy, right?

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Right.

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And I think it is as awful as a majority Muslim country passing a, if you don't wear a hijab,

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you're blah, blah, blah, blah, you know that whole thing.

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And to play this game too, if Alex really wants to be consistent on all this stuff,

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he would really have to take issue with the Amish, the Mennonites, all the Anabaptists.

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Well they're allowed to wear colors now, so that's fine.

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Well women wear hoods, essentially, they wear bonnets, or Jewish people wearing yarmulkes.

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Like that.

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I can't, I have to recuse myself, I have a whole bit about this.

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But you know what I'm saying, all that stuff sort of, there's a trickle down to it that

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he's not taking into account.

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When my family was in a cult, all of the women were forced to dress the same, they weren't

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allowed to stay.

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Yeah.

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Like it is, it is certainly-

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It's always hidden behind modesty, but at the same time, it's control of the feminine

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or whatever.

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Right.

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Well if you want to go into-

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And masculine even.

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If you want to go into that type of narrative that we talked about with the one dumb lady

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from Alaska who's like, he's taking women all the way away from her family.

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That caller from the last episode.

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That is such a consistent thing whenever you talk about other types of women controlling

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narratives is, we have to protect them, and by doing so, we remove any and all of their

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freedoms.

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We're afraid of their sexuality.

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Exactly.

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And I mean, as much as we talk about how much of his stupid shit goes back to anti-Semitic

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canards, this goes back to the first book of the Bible.

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That's a good point.

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You know, it goes back to-

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You let a woman make a decision for herself and the whole world is fucked.

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That's that whole fundamentalist tradition of Eve's fall.

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You know, that sort of thing, Adam would have been fine if it wasn't for Eve.

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That's where this controlling of women in religions historically roots from and it's

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fucking nonsense.

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Which is even more fascinating because if you do go back to that type of roots of religion

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thing, it did not become so male dominated until it became popular.

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Like the religious roots were all women.

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Like women were the gatekeepers.

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Like if you talk about Greek culture, women were the most spiritual leaders and then we

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get into monotheism and who would have guessed men use it to control everybody.

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That's kind of the situation there.

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It's almost as if religion isn't bad, but the centralization and control of it as a

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political and social force is.

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Something about that rings true.

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Anyway, what I was trying to get to, and I don't know, you know more about the Iran protest

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than I do, but I've not seen anybody on Twitter or writing op-eds being like, these fucking

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women taking off their hijabs are way out of line and we love the mullahs.

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I've not seen that perspective at all.

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All he's trying to do is score points off his already established Linda Sarsour wants

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you to put on a hijab for feminism and then being like, look, they don't support these

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people in Iran.

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I think most people's perspective on the protests in Iran is it's pretty complicated stuff.

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It is.

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It is.

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Um, I don't know.

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It's one of those things that is very similar.

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I would liken the, uh, the protests in Iran to, um, voting for Roy Moore.

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So as far as that goes, yeah.

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So when you, when you talk about that type of situation, once again in Alabama, because

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of its fundamentalist, uh, racist and religious roots, you wind up having 60% of white women

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voting for a guy who is clearly against any and all rights for white women.

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And like the same sort of statistical track for evangelicals, right?

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And then you look at Iran and you see the counter protests that were run by very pro

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government sources who, you know, supported and put that together.

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And you have that same kind of, um, older women kind of situation where it's like, you

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have to do this because that is the tradition, even though they are the ones who have been

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most subjugated by it.

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And you find out anytime there is a protest of the poor and the young, everybody gets

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fucked.

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Like that's, that's the situation that is going on in Iran right now.

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It is the poor and it is the young and they are fighting back and they are going to get

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destroyed because they simply aren't allowed to associate in the way that they should be.

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Right now in so many universities in Iran, in Tehran and in many of the different cities,

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you find preemptive arrests going on, which are bananas.

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Well, it's much like what we've seen in Turkey already.

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Right.

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You destroy, or the cultural revolution in China, you destroy any kind of ability for

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educated, youthful people who are also the most unemployed in Iran.

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You destroy any ability for them to gather and then you can centralize power between

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people who use tradition and just overwhelming force to defeat them.

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And that's the situation in Iran.

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It is, it is the protest, as I wrote, it is the protest that all of us should be having

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that we are all incapable of having.

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It's less, it has less to do with liberals wanting to cut women's clothes off.

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No, it has nothing to do with women having their wombs removed.

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No.

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Or liberals being in favor of that or liberals.

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I think that most liberal folk that I know do support in as much as they can the protests

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that are going on.

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I don't think that there's any real legitimate way for us to support it.

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It's inexplicable that Nikki Haley would try and draw a UN conference to support protests

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that would abjectly destroy her life if they were to happen here.

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Right.

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Because they're in a state that we are opposed to, it's profitable.

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It's almost like the inverse of the Arab Spring to some extent.

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And it's really interesting to see Alex be very pro this time and very anti about other

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states where similar things like this have happened.

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Well, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are quote allies and Iran is our quote enemy.

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And that's where you get into trouble.

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Well that's where this whole world view is stupid.

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It is so stupid.

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They're people.

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It is stupid.

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They're people who have grievances.

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But that's the ultimate failure of nationalism.

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Totally.

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Nationalism suggests that the leaders of a country are the country.

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When in reality most Americans are not Trump-like.

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And yet by Trump being our- I know one guy who is.

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I do know one guy who is.

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We talk about him a lot.

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I know like 37 percent of the population who is.

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Yeah.

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It's that kind of situation.

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Yeah.

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I think we're going to start to understand that dynamic a lot more as time goes on.

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Nations are a failure of humanity.

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Anyways, let's keep going.

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That's an interesting idea and I kind of agree.

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But be that as it may, I think the best case scenario and the best like look for the world

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is collectivism quite frankly.

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You're a globalist!

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I am.

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I think.

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I think we are too.

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I don't want to poison the water, but it is the idea.

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So I was reading H.G. Wells.

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I mean put it this way.

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We specifically describe people who support the show as policy wonks, foreign policy wonks,

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and globalists.

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Like that is tongue in cheek and yet at the same time.

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So Alex has got a lot of ideas on this episode.

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He's got a lot of a lot of bullshit.

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Like I told you, he had sort of vaguely turned against Bannon, but also was couching it before

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about this idea that this guy is a liar.

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Yes.

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In this next clip we find on this Friday, he is, he's, he's turned.

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Gotcha.

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He just sits there and goes, oh, I love Trump and then sits back and watches his attempt

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to blow up the White House politically.

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He lights the fuse, walks off the safe distance, he goes, is it snowing outside?

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No, it's dandruff.

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Catch up stains down the front of him.

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I'm the Liberty Movement.

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I came with money and took over Breitbart after he died.

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I'm the kingpin.

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I'm the god.

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I'm the Liberty Movement.

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Meanwhile, he's behind the scenes, leaking everything.

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The New York Times, Washington Post, by the way, leaking BS.

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Couple of quick things.

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Alex Jones, here's a direct quote from him.

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Infowars powers the Trump movement, so that's a little fun.

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Clearly, Alex, don't fucking pretend that Bannon wasn't leaking to you.

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Don't fucking pretend he wasn't leaking to Roger Stone.

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Yeah, exactly.

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If he wasn't leaking directly to you, he was leaking to you through Roger Stone.

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All of the narratives that Alex was pitching about how, like, Kushner is a globalist and

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all this stuff, that's directly stuff that obviously had its genesis with Bannon.

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Their feud in the White House, of course, was driving, was the driving force behind

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that.

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The whole time that Alex was pitching this narrative that Reince Priebus was the global,

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was the leaker, was almost certainly Steve Bannon saying that.

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Yeah.

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Because those two also had a bit of a feud, a lot of feuds in this White House, a lot

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of palace intrigue.

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Not very well coordinated.

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Right, so he should not be playing, I mean, his audience doesn't fucking take the time

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to think about these things, but obviously most of his narratives came from Bannon.

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I mean, what's interesting to me is I don't think his audience actually gives a shit about

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the palace intrigue either.

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No, I think they do.

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Do you think so?

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I think so.

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You wouldn't keep doing this otherwise.

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From a...

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I don't know.

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I think that they're fooled into thinking that there is some credibility to it, because

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I think the way that Alex sells it is that the palace intrigue isn't just dicks being

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dicks, which is what it is.

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I think that the way he sells it to his audience and the way that they ingest it is there is

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a team of globalists and then there's a team of Trump people and they're doing war.

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And so this palace intrigue isn't just the idea of your elites having petty squabbles.

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It's actually one team who is trying to save the world.

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It's the deep state versus the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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So he's been able to recontextualize and rebrand palace intrigue into a way that his audience

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does like.

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I think that's probably most accurate.

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Which is winners versus losers.

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They're all losers, but...

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I think in his...

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The way that you make an Alex Jones audience interested in this dumb palace intrigue stuff

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is these are the good guys who are winning, just like we are all winning.

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There's a counter-revolution.

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I think it's less winners than losers and more a misappropriation of stakes.

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But isn't that ultimately his idea of what his audience is interested in?

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They want to see people win.

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They want to see the winners.

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White people win.

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That's a good point.

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Yeah, possibly.

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But I think at the same time he's already spent so much time couching like, they might

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take him out.

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True.

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We might lose.

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Right.

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Like that sort of thing.

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So I don't know.

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But it's always, we're winning.

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We're the winners.

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We're winning all the time.

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They're still coming after us.

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And we're losing on all fronts.

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But we're winning.

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We're the winners.

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We're always winning.

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But we're on the edge of losing at all times.

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And what does that tell you?

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I think that tells you that the fight is really more important to the narrative than the winning

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or losing.

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Right.

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The presentation of winning and losing, he can sell either to move product and to keep

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people engaged.

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True.

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But without squabble, without fight, there is no way he can keep his machine moving.

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It's perpetual war on a political scale.

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But like tomorrow, he could come out and he could do a show where he's like, we are fucking

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losing.

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And he could use that.

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Right.

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He could use that to his advantage.

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He couldn't use all is well, everybody is, everything's operating well.

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Like Trump is doing all the right things and people seem to be enjoying it.

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That's true.

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There's no way he could use that.

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Right.

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He needs the false boogeyman, the antagonist that is imagined in order to fuel his rhetoric.

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Which then we go back to his his comment about the media needs Trump.

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Right.

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Like there is an I do think there's an arguable position to support him in that analysis.

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Well, only about himself.

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If he's the media.

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Fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Because I don't think that the media needs somebody to fight against.

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I mean, I remember when I was younger watching like McNeil Lehrer Hour and it was boring

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as hell, but at the same time it was informative and it was the news.

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But that's where your position goes back to the very beginning, which is the news shouldn't

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care about ratings.

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Right.

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Just like Alex needs to move product.

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So does the news need to move advertising dollars.

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Well, and that's another I mean, that's a much bigger conversation, but a much bigger

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conversation.

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I think we probably let's get into it now and solve it.

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I mean, let's not.

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But I'll make my position totally clear.

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Let's get rid of these fucking networks.

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There's no point in them.

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Fuck you, Rupert Murdoch.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Anyway.

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Here's worse things to say about that.

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Right.

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And running around, we now know the FBI fawning and agreeing with the Russia investigation

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in a hope to.

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I guess, sabotage the White House and have his cake and eat it, too, to see the sociopaths

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and psychopaths and bash or weak people that have been abused themselves and they go out

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and do it to others.

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These like they're owed something.

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I find a lot of times that's really what it is.

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I think Bannon is kind of one of those.

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He wants to show everybody he's the big man.

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He's the tough guy.

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He's the leader.

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He's in control.

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And he's got to overthrow everybody around him so he can feel like he's big.

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He's number one with that.

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That's not the case with Wolfie and Skelter and Clinton.

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They know exactly what they're doing and they hate everybody around them.

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Great.

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I'm all in on that impression.

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So like, dude, that like your yelling projection is totally the case there.

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Like he's he's projecting his psychology into another person, even to the point of like,

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I don't want to I don't want to fucking break the goldwater rule.

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I want to come down on Alex because I think he probably has some abuse in his history.

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Like I don't feel like that's good to mock or anything like that.

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But even by his own words, like the idea that whether or not she actually did, he felt like

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his mom said he couldn't get love after the age of five or six.

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Like that.

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Although that may we may have information that says she did not do that.

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No, probably not.

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But that doesn't that doesn't change that.

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That's how he felt.

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And that doesn't change that it's emotionally real to him.

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Right.

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And like so true, true.

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You're right about that.

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The fact that thirty five years later, he's on the radio crying, talking about that.

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That means that it's something real to him in in some form or another.

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Yes.

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And to me, that indicates that there I mean, he did not have a great childhood.

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Something went wrong.

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But I'm not making fun of him for that.

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But I am saying that.

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Look at what he's saying about Steve Bannon.

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He's like, you know, maybe he's just one of these guys who was abused and it's like pushing

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that off is weird.

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And then after that, describing himself.

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Yes.

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That's troubling.

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But immediately describing himself.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like want to take down everyone around them to feel like the big man.

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You've created a fake world view to fight against.

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Yeah.

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Well, not just that, but look at the people that he has surrounded himself.

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Sure.

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He all of the people that he's gone, all the people that well, not currently, but everyone

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goes.

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Well, all the people that he has around himself currently are clearly people he can bully.

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He can prove himself to be superior then.

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Imagine it.

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Imagine.

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Rob Dues in Alpha.

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Yeah.

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Well, imagine if he hired somebody as competent as him.

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They would be fired immediately.

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It'd be impossible, man.

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There's no one as competent as him.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right, Dan.

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No, I get what you mean.

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I don't mean competent because competent is too strong a word.

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Right.

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I don't know.

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It bums me out.

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It bums me out because the perspective that we have on him and the way he presents himself

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are so... He's so inconsistent with himself.

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It just makes me sad.

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Yeah.

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It makes me bummed out.

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It's an interesting thing to have... I don't know.

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If you're capable of empathy, you often wind up being capable of empathy with, not to use

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his language, but with the devil or that kind of a thing.

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Sympathy for the devil.

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That kind of... How many times have you read the childhood of a serial killer and been

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like, oh, man, that must have been horrific.

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Totally.

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You have empathy for them.

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At the same time, they need to be taken down.

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Right.

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You know?

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Right.

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Your behavior exceeds the empathy we have for you based on your circumstances.

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Yes.

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Because Alex is way past that.

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Great if he hasn't killed anybody or anything, but...

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Has he?

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Knock.

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Knock.

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Not a person.

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Poor knock.

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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones-

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The only hero in Alex Jones' story is knock.

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We miss him.

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In this next clip-

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Hashtag RIP knock.

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Alex Jones makes an assertion about the globalist.

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Wish I hadn't said that either.

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And so they want to ruin and wreck civilization, and they are committed to doing it.

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And they are committed to hurting you and your family, poisoning your food and water,

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watching your children be brain damaged while they strut around and watch and gloat and

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laugh.

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None of these top leftists take vaccines.

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None of them.

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None of them eat GMO.

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None of them are into aspartame.

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It's for the president to drink and die.

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And it's for us to drink and die or your mother to drink and die while they all just sit back

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and laugh as they literally have that.

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They always go, we're falling and we're scum.

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But when they walk around the shopping mall, they go, at least I'm hurting these people

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and how can I hurt somebody right now?

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So hold on.

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Hold on.

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They still go to malls.

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Sometimes Hillary will just go around to a shopping mall and just be like, well, at least

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I'm hurting these people.

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I didn't win the presidency, but at least I'm hurting these people.

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Interior shopping mall.

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On November 9th, Bill and Hillary enter.

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Walk past a Wetzel's Pretzels.

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Very depressed.

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Very depressed.

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Very sad.

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Many people coming up to them, giving them accolades, wishing them well.

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And their next thought is, well, Bill, uh, dialogue, Hillary, do you want a pretzel with

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cheese dip?

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It'll make you feel better.

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Hillary dialogue.

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Nah, I don't, I don't feel worthy of a pretzel right now.

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I, I lost an election to Donald Trump.

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Bill, now hold on.

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Look around you.

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Look to the left.

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Look to the right.

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You just saw two people that you hurt.

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Keep your chin up, Hillary.

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You're hurting these people and that's what matters.

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I lost the impression, but improv, improv, rough, Dan, when you are writing scripts,

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you are gold.

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My friend.

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You are gold.

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So ridiculous.

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Fucking idea is just, uh, is crazy that, uh, like I'll take solace in the fact that I'm

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hurting these people.

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All right.

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Well, keep a chin up.

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Also, like statistically, that's not the case about people on the left taking vaccines.

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Uh, the largest percentage of people who don't take vaccines are on the right there.

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That is, uh, you know, you find that within, uh, people who have, especially tea party

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ish beliefs, uh, much stronger distrust of vaccines.

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Yep.

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The, the more you know about vaccines, the less likely you are to not take them on the

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sand.

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I don't know if that's necessarily true.

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I find a lot of people, uh, on the left are, are also the people who, uh, are very distrustful

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of vaccines, of, uh, GMOs, like that type of situation.

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I think that's, well, GMOs are a different thing than vaccines are two completely different

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conversations.

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It is the same as vaccines?

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What's that?

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Aspartame.

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Totally.

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Diet Coke.

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Same thing.

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Same thing.

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Well, you know, it is the same through all of them though.

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They're all poisoning the well narratives.

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Yes.

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It's all boring antisemitism repackaged.

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I really thought you were almost at, uh, fuck Larry Nichols.

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No, no, but also fuck Larry Nichols.

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Yes.

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Um, so, uh, at this point, Alex, in that last clip went off to commercial, uh, and he comes

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back and he's back on the Stelter shit a little bit.

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Helter Stelter?

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Helter Stelter.

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He makes this, this claim that is crazy.

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This is so unsupported by anything.

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I just, I love it.

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I'm excited for this clip.

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This guy is a known charlatan.

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It's simply insane.

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Just like his son, Brian Stelter, I'm saying his spiritual son, because if you find the

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two smiling in photos, they're trying to keep all those photos off the internet, seriously,

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like photos of Hillary smiling, they remove them because she looks like a great white

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shark once about to attack and breach the surface.

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So if I understand correctly, both Wolf and Stelter are attempting individually because

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we do not have proof that they are related to each other.

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Spiritually they are.

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You completely missed the point.

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No, I think my point is, why are they trying to keep pictures of themselves on the internet?

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You are missing, you're missing pronoun reference.

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Okay.

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So it is about the two of them, pictures of them being trying to kept off the internet,

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but it's they who are doing it.

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It's the globalists that are trying to keep.

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I thought, I thought it was both Stelter and Wolf who are like constantly on Google, like

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get that off there, get that off there.

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Also do a Google in the church, you'll find plenty of pictures of them smiling.

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So many pictures, so many pictures.

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It's complete horseshit, but I love that idea because he can say stuff and it'd just be

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like a toss aside or whatever, but even in that case, he's like, seriously, seriously,

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seriously.

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I know that they're trying to keep pictures of them smiling off the internet because it

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shows how evil they are.

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It seems like a lot more work than is necessary.

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Why, how would you try and keep pictures of yourself off the internet?

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You wouldn't Alex.

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Don't they both have Facebook pages where they constantly update themselves with pictures?

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Yeah.

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And Alex in the past has said that he's tried to get a picture of himself off the internet.

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There's a picture of him that he took for a magazine where he's like screaming at the

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camera.

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Right.

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I wish I had a clip of this just to have receipts and everything, but it seemed so unimportant

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to me when I was listening to episodes from like 2014 that I didn't capture a clip of

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it, but he's just like, nah, I wish I could get rid of that picture.

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He told me it was going to be in the front, it was on the back page, like, okay, that's

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your problem?

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Weird.

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Also, Stelter is your problem?

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Yeah, that's crazy.

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That's very strange.

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But I think it's just because he has to deflect somehow, because he can't substantively talk

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about the wolf issue.

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Right.

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And like I said in that last couple clips back.

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Also great name for our new show, The Wolf Issue.

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The Wolf Issue?

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Yeah.

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He shot on Bannon in that last couple clips back or whatever, but he's still not fully

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committed to being able to talk about like why.

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He's not ready to get into like the meat of, have we been betrayed by one of the biggest

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influences of the last?

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Why the fucking campaign manager and what, Trump whisperer for the first year or for

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the first eight months of Trump's campaign or Trump's office or Trump's presidency?

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Well, but then also, I mean, who were the campaign managers?

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There was Manafort, indicted.

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Going to jail.

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Roger Stone, Alex Jones' buddy.

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Probably going to jail.

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And then Bannon.

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Theory.

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Was Lewandowski a manager of the campaign or was he just like a-

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He's just a weird dude.

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Okay.

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I thought he might have risen to that height.

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He was in there.

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Yeah.

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He also apparently sexually assaulted Joy Villa.

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The woman who wore a Make America Great Again dress to the Grammys, made a big scene out

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of it and then she was a frequent guest on Alex Jones' show talking about how bringing

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Trump into the musical world is going to be huge.

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And Lewandowski sexually assaulted her?

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Yeah, recently.

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Like at a party.

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Wow.

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I don't think it was a New Year's Eve party.

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I can't remember what it was, but she was at some big Trump party and Lewandowski slapped

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her ass and then was like, she was like, what?

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And then he slapped her ass again and apparently she's suing him.

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But also-

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That's for her.

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Yeah, great for her.

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Yeah.

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Alex isn't talking about this.

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I mean, not good for her that she was sexually assaulted, but good for her that she felt-

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No, the response.

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I mean, because fuck it, as we just saw recently, one of the Roy Moore accusers, her house was

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burned down and it is too early to speculate and say that it was by a Roy Moore supporter.

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But-

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I mean, otherwise it's a wild coincidence.

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Anyway, just so I have some validation here, this is from Politico, Joy Villa, who drew

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headlines for a Make America Great Again dressed at the Grammys earlier this year, was celebrating

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the president's first year in office at a holiday party at the Trump International Hotel

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in Washington in late November when Lewandowski slapped her behind.

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After she objected, he dismissed her concerns and slapped her behind again, Villa said in

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an interview Friday.

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Villa 31 said she was circulating in the ballroom of the invite-only party with a friend who

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brought her over to introduce her to Lewandowski, whom she had never met.

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Her first impression, she said, was that he seemed dismissive of her and he rolled his

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eyes when he thought she wanted to pose for a photo with him.

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I said, if you're busy, don't worry about it.

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We don't have to take a photo, Villa, telling Lewandowski, who remains close with the president

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and attended a contentious Oval Office meeting on political strategy earlier this week.

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But Villa said another reveler pushed her toward him and she ended up standing next

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to him posing for a photo, despite his seeming lack of interest.

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I'm wearing a silver suit and stretchy pants, and after the photo he smacks my ass really

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hard, Villa said.

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It was completely demeaning and shocking.

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In the moment, Villa said, she confronted him.

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I said, watch it.

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Half joking.

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I said, I can report you for sexual harassment.

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Lewandowski's response, she said, was almost as shocking as the original slap.

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He said, go ahead.

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I work in the private sector, Villa recalled.

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Then he smacks my ass again.

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Villa's recollection of the incident was corroborated by a friend who witnessed the exchange.

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The friend said he wished to remain anonymous in part because of Lewandowski's continued

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influence in Trump circles.

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Of course.

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So Alex won't talk about that.

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He's willing to have her on when she's a propaganda tool wearing a MAGA dress, but he's not willing

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to treat her like a human.

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Hey, maybe MAGA people take that to heart.

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You are valuable right up until the point where you are not and you will be whatever

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it is they feel like.

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And this also calls into memory of Lewandowski's assault on that reporter lady back, I think

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it was during the campaign, if I recall correctly.

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I can't remember the timeline of that exactly, but if you watch the video of that, he absolutely

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grabs her and it's pretty bad.

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It's hard to imagine anybody in the Trump circle not being a monster, I mean, in many

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different ways, like even look, that's why none of this is humanizing for Bannon.

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I get Pence probably hasn't sexually harassed outside of his marriage, but he's a monster.

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Unless, unless you use Alex Jones's own logic about Jim Comey.

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That's a good point.

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You know, these guys who are uptight, they're the ones.

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They're the ones you got to worry about.

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Yeah.

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If that's the case, then Mike Pence is the he's American Psycho.

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Mike Pence does seem to have all the all of the like Dennis Hastert signals.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like he's got all of those characteristics.

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I'm not saying he's ever done anything.

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I'm definitely not accusing him of anything.

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I'm just saying that the parallels between the way his positions have been laid forth.

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Very Hestertian.

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I feel like he's more like that Foley.

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Mick Foley?

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Yes.

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David Foley?

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He got thrown off the Helena cell.

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No, that who is that Congressman Foley?

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Dave Foley?

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No, the guy with the wide stance at the he was trying to surf for sex at a public bathroom.

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Oh, oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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I can't remember his first name.

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Yeah, I can't remember his first name at all.

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It's more like that.

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That's the vibe I get more from him.

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Not abusing people.

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They're like, just repressed with a secret.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's I'm not saying he's gay necessarily, but a secret, some sort of secret, got something

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there.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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OK.

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Not fully human and experience.

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Full on, full on conspiracy theory.

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I like it.

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I'm going to go I'm going to go out on a full on limb here.

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Great.

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Stone is working with the FBI.

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I mean, I don't think that's that crazy to think at this.

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I don't think it's that correct.

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I mean, Stone, two months ago, we had that clip of him telling Alex straight up Trump

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is fucking with you.

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Yeah.

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Stone seems like the guy who if I was the FBI, I would lean on Stone and someone would

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be like, oh, shit.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to toss everybody over.

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I'm Stone.

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I don't give a fuck.

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He's had a life of self-preservation.

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Yes.

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To an extent that he's been able to navigate being intimately involved with any number

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of scandalous, impeached president, disgraced president, a lot of campaigns that did not

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work out.

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And he's still able to survive and have some sort of stock.

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Yes.

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And I don't think you do that necessarily by playing clean.

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Right.

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And stone is stone is much like Survivor in that Stone is much like Beyonce in that he

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is a survivor.

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He ain't gonna give up.

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And he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back.

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Sure.

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Beyonce got that.

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The Nixon tat.

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I look, I don't obviously I don't think that I'm I'm going to cosign your conspiracy theory,

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but if it does come out that he snitched or something like that would not surprise me

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at all.

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Right in line.

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Yeah.

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It wouldn't surprise me at all, especially because of like, he's the only person who

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in the Infowars milieu who gets it.

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Yeah.

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Like in terms of like with this ban and stuff with this wolf stuff.

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He's the only person who's been on the show who's been like guys like you could almost

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see him being on video being like, please stop.

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Yeah.

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Please don't do this.

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Don't do this.

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This is unraveling.

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Right.

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This is how you unravel is by giving credibility to this kind of a story.

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You don't have to attack this.

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If he knows because he has decades of he's been doing the whole thing.

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Yeah.

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Is there a smarter than everyone else?

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Is there genuinely is there a genuine possibility that Stone is the smartest person that has

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been around Trump so far?

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He's the smartest person who's on Infowars, I think for sure.

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Well yeah, but that's not a high bar to cross.

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Now the only problem though too is that he has such a like a hair trigger rage.

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He has such an anger about him, which is not what a smart person would have.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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But at the same time, like freaking out and calling women like cunts on Twitter and stuff

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like that doesn't have the political ramifications of believing a creative nonfiction writer.

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Unexplicably it doesn't have the same connotations.

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Well like historically, I mean think about this, think about this, like historically

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over the last year or so, it's been pretty clear that Bannon and Roger Stone aren't working

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in parallel.

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Right.

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There have been a number of times where Roger Stone has attacked Bannon for various things

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and the two of them don't see eye to eye on stuff.

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Yes.

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Immediately after this story came out, when Roger was being interviewed on Infowars, his

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take on it was, I know Michael Wolff.

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This is nonsense.

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And then beyond that, like look, I mean, you know, Bannon goes around wearing too many

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button up shirts at the same time and that's fucking stupid.

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But look, we are coworkers, we're colleagues.

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We're not like, I'm going to attack the enemies.

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I'm not going to attack our allies.

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And that is, that's telling to me because he knows that this could uncover something.

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The only way it's going to uncover anything is if the people, the people in the Alex Jones

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propaganda world, the people in Trump's inner circle, save yourself kind of mentality world,

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the only way things are going to get bad is if they all start freaking out and he's trying

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to keep it together.

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And Alex can't, I don't think he can get it.

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I think that he's going to, he's going to lose it.

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I don't think Stone is a mastermind by any stretch.

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I think Stone has, this isn't mastermind strategy.

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No, no, no.

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I think, I think Stone just knows how to hitch his wagon and when to unhitch his wagon.

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Yeah.

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And when like he knows how to turn a wagon.

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Yeah.

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Like it's just very basic stuff.

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Right.

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Very basic.

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Right.

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Right.

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Um, anyway, in this next clip, weird tangent, but let's get on.

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Uh, Alex Jones compares Donald Trump to a historical figure in a very interesting way.

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And Trump will be known as a Titan of Liberty, someone that delivered, someone that was honorable

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and you all try to write the annals that he wasn't.

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But just like the British history books said, William Wallace was this and that and a thief

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and a piece of garbage and a coward.

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Everybody knows in history now he wasn't a coward.

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He was an honorable man because everybody intrinsically knows everything you say is

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a pile of garbage.

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You are the lie.

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You want to talk about William Wallace a little bit?

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Well, before I do, I'd like to say that, uh, pretty much nothing historically is known

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about William Wallace except for around 1297 to 1298.

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Uh, that's pretty much the only period that's known about him.

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Everything else, uh, comes from an epic poem called the acts and deeds of Sir William Wallace,

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Knights of air to see Errol to see, uh, written around 1470 by Blind Harry, the minstrel.

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Harry wrote from oral tradition describing the minstrel, amazing instrument information

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about him.

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Could see perfectly, could not play the liar.

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Interesting.

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Interesting.

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Really?

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It was like a blind Harry fake news, fake news name is like a really tall guy being

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named tiny.

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Anyway, he came up with this, uh, this acts and deeds of Sir William Wallace 170 years

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after William Wallace lived, uh, and, uh, you know, historians think that it's a very

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unauthoritative, uh, take on, uh, William Wallace.

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Uh, you know, quote, everybody knows that Beowulf was line and most of the poem is clearly

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at variance with known historical facts and records of the period and is either fabricated

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using traditional chivalric motifs or borrowed from exploits of others and attributed to

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William Wallace.

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Right?

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The only things that we know about William Wallace are a couple of battles.

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He was a British noble.

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He's a Scottish dude who was a fucking, he was angry, he was angry.

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There was unrest, uh, at the time and the only thing the British were imposing a bunch

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of taxes that he didn't like, uh, on Scotland.

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And so he assassinated a dude, uh, and, uh, in the telling of blind Harry and then the

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movie, uh, with, uh, the great, great, not antisemitic Mel Gibson.

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Hold on, reign it in.

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Okay.

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In that movie, the story is told as this, this guy was trying to kill his wife and he

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saved his wife or it was in response to that in some way and there's no historical record

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that backs that up.

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Not at all.

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It was probably just about taxation, which actually triggers Alex even more than a wife

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certainly.

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Uh, and then the other thing is the battle of Falkirk where, as far as I understand,

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the only thing that William Wallace is actually known to have done is fight on a bridge while

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everybody's running away.

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He lost a battle, uh, the battle of Falkirk where he was very overly confident and the

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British fucking destroyed him and, uh, granted he escaped and was brutally murdered brutally.

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He wasn't good.

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The execution that they gave him, but there is historical record of that and that is like,

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that's nuts.

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He was drawn and quartered, if I remember correctly.

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Even more than that.

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Oh yeah.

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That's not even the extent of it.

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They hung him, uh, but not to kill him.

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They hung him and then cut him down when he was about to go unconscious and then disemboweled

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him.

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Right.

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And they put his head on a spike.

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Yeah, but that was standard for the time.

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No, it's excessive.

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The levels too, like they kept almost killing him and then being like, nah, we're going

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to kill you again.

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It's weird to know how good people are.

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It's weird to know how good people used to be at that.

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They were great.

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Yeah.

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They were really good at that.

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Not good at doctors, diseases, but god damn it if they couldn't kill a guy.

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Well, by like, I mean, you could assume that they could have fucked it up and accidentally

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killed him early in the torture that they were trying to do.

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And they kind of...

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And they got lucky and he didn't die before they had finished torturing him.

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Well, now that said, it's entirely possible that he died after they hung him and they

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just kept doing it.

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Like, at the time, they would often dig people up and put them on trial again.

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It's my understanding that he was alive afterwards, as he was being disemboweled.

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But be that as it may, that sort of...

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I think there's only one way to know for sure.

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Time machine?

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No, we need to disembowel a guy and see if he can survive that long.

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Gotta hang him first.

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This like, to me- I nominate Stone!

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This is the important piece.

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That sort of capital punishment was excessive, even for the time.

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And the fact that they would give that to someone means that this was not just a normal

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person who had failed in a battle or something like that.

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It was someone who the British fucking hated.

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And they hated him for some reason.

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But unfortunately, the historical records that we have don't tell exactly what that

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was.

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And there's no real reason to think he was a super honorable person.

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Most of the accounts that come from that time, where he's a brutal fucking dude, he would

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behave in ways like the British that killed him.

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That might actually explain why they did that to him.

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I'm not entirely sure, but Alex saying that history is born out that he was an honorable

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person or blah blah blah, there's literally no way for him to know that.

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Right.

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Ah, movie.

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Right, it's a movie, or if you want to give Alex a little more credibility-

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Which you shouldn't.

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It's a historical tradition from this guy who is the Jonathan Wolf, or I'm sorry, Michael

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Wolf of his time.

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It's the-

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Nice parallel.

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Nicely done.

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Way to slam dunk that.

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Blind Harry is the fake news of his time.

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So-

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That's right.

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Because he could see.

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And Alex Jones-

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How else could he write it down?

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Alex, I got news for you, baby.

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We don't need history to determine how bad a dude Trump is.

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That's happening concurrently.

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Yes.

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And everyone has already known that for a while.

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Anyway, this next clip, Alex Jones tries to make a metaphor and fails.

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Losers.

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Trash.

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Filth.

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I mean, I just cannot express to you enough that we have to really not hate these people,

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but like you don't hate a rotting dead carcass of a hog or a horse or a deer over on the

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side of the highway, but you don't want to run up to it and wallow in it and kiss it

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and marry it or take it home and put it in the bed with you.

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You don't take a dead, rotting horse with thousands of maggots on it and go stick it

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in your bed and curl up to it at night and love it and celebrate it.

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You just stay away from it.

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Okay.

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But see, we can't stay away because these people run our lives because they crave it.

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So that's where the metaphor falls apart.

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I mean, it was bad from the dump, but the metaphor is that the globalists are a dead

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carcass by the side of the road and it grows.

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And they crave you grabbing them and bringing them to bed with you?

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I guess.

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So his advice, I guess, is that you shouldn't take a carcass to bed.

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Globalist.

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Fine.

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I don't think anyone kisses carcasses.

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I know that's metaphorical, but I guess what he's saying is don't fuck a globalist.

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But if that's the case, then-

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I think what he's saying is he fucked a dead deer one time.

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Simple enough not to fuck a globalist, I guess.

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I don't know.

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It's these sorts of metaphors that leave way more questions than answers.

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Because it's like, okay, okay, I get you.

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You see a dead animal on the side of the road, leave it alone.

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Right.

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Bad.

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Great.

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Dead animal, bad.

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Great.

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I get it.

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I'm with you on that metaphor.

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Yeah, leave it alone.

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Yes.

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There's a State Department that's paid for through taxes and regulations that will clean

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that up eventually.

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You leave it alone.

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Well, not if Trump has his way.

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Well, Alex is going to have to take that carcass home then.

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But be that as it may-

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There's nothing going to be left for him to fuck.

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The issue to me comes to where is the bridge?

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With a metaphor, a metaphor is only as good as the connection to reality.

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I-90 West?

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Sure.

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Where is it?

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Where is the connection to the point that he's trying to make?

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The point he's trying to make is that globalists-

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Wait, was he trying to make a point?

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Well, it starts with him saying that these globalists, you shouldn't hate them, you should

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pity them.

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Right.

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Much like you pity an animal dead by the side of the road.

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I suppose.

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The time it pivots to the animal by the side of the road is dangerous in some way because

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it wants to take over your life.

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So the animal is vaccines?

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No, I don't know.

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It's all still globalists, but I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't get it.

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I don't get it.

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It's troubling.

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Anyway.

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Troubling?

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If true.

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We can leave that aside.

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We got one more clip, Jordan.

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Okay.

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And in this next clip, Alex decides to get into hot topics.

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Pop.

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The-

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Pop hot topics.

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Like the mall that Hillary goes to to say that she hurt somebody.

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No, this is about a YouTube celebrity.

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Oh, it's the guy who did the thing with the suicide guy.

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Logan Paul.

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Why are we doing this?

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Well, actually, this is interesting because my prediction was that Alex would be solely

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defending Logan Paul.

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Oh, yeah?

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I thought for sure.

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Well, here's a couple things.

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He's white.

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He's a male.

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I thought-

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That's a good start.

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I thought for sure-

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Full stop, that's why he would defend him.

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So, strictly speaking, I support Logan Paul making that video.

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Interesting take.

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But just based on free speech.

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Okay.

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I think he should suffer all the consequences of doing it.

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Good point.

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But I don't think you should say, don't do it.

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Fair.

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It's incredibly disgraceful.

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It indicates a lack of humanity on your part.

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But the idea of saying, don't do it, or like, we should stop you from making this video

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or-

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We should censor you.

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Right.

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Et cetera.

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That to me is like, I mean, that falls right in line with Alex Jones' principles-

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See that?

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Of defending free speech.

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And I thought for sure, this is not someone he would think is evil or a target because

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he's a white male.

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Right.

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I thought for sure Alex would be like, everyone's trying to come down on Logan Paul, we got

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to defend him.

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Right.

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He has a very different take.

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I'm interested to hear what his take is.

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Well, it's-

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Is it standard?

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No, it's chaos.

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And then at the end, he gets to-

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He gets back to globalists?

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More or less.

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He gets back-

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He gets back to dead carcasses on the side of the road.

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He betrays his own positions for a bit out of pettiness.

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And then at the end of this clip that I'm about to play, he slam dunks it.

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No, he turns it into something really fucking weird.

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All right.

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Logan Paul video, YouTube users act fast to re upload suicide forest video, despite it

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being taken down.

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And then YouTube doesn't take it down after it had tens of millions of views, he took

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it down and then does a sorry video and it's all a big joke.

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And because it's nasty and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not masculine and it's done in

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a little demonic gremlin like way.

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Okay.

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They leave it up.

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But then-

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All right.

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We show army troops saving children from a burning van and they take it down because

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they don't want you to see army troops saving kids out of a van.

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No idea what this-

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That's YouTube.

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I don't know either and I don't know the specifics of this, but if I had to guess, I would say

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that Alex Jones's video also had other pieces in it.

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I would assume it wasn't just straight video of army troops saving kids.

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I would say that there was probably some, something that broke terms of service or something

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like that.

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Cause it takes a lot for YouTube to take something down.

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It takes a great deal.

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Or it takes you using a song that Disney doesn't want you to use.

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Right.

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But you can do that if you don't have an audience, but once you have enough people watching,

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then they'll start to be like, shut that down.

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Like copyright claims, or something like that.

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Right.

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DMCA.

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There's a decent-

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Great bill.

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That someone who was in that video that Alex shot made a complaint or something like that

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and didn't want it up or something like that because they know the context of Alex Jones

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and Info Wars.

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Of course.

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I don't know if that's the case, but that's a possible explanation for it.

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So like, but you see why he's kind of pissed off about it is that we have videos taken

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down, they don't take those down.

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What the fuck?

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Right.

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Which is not a free speech position.

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It's not principled.

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No.

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I mean, it's a true culture of little weak twisted people shitting there.

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We've got them on video going, our main mission is to stop Alex Jones and people like him.

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And all we do is delist it so nobody can see it.

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I mean, ours is.

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And then we have it in Congress and everywhere saying, shut us down.

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Why?

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Because you can see what they are.

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They go hang out in Japan, it turns out, for weeks waiting for somebody to go to this famous

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forest where a it's kind of like a Romeo Juliet story where a young girl killed herself for

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love and then hundreds have gone there and hung themselves, killed themselves.

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And so he goes and makes a big joke and makes fun of the dead body, disgracing some poor

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soul who took their own life.

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And because it's so dishonorable, so twisted, so weak, so pathetic, so poisonous.

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Give three more things.

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So heartless, so soulless that if they can get young people to get off on somebody's

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misery and they're rotting dead body and make fun of it and then make money off of it.

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And do it while you're wearing a Yoda hat.

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All of it perfectly done.

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This is a sign up, folks.

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This is all staged.

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To turn wisdom on its head.

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It's all archetype.

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You think Yoda will go make fun of some dead body again, that archetype.

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This is what it's all about.

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That's what it's all about.

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Do you think, Dan, Yoda, do you think he would do this?

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No, no.

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Dan, I need to ask you this question.

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Deadly serious.

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All right.

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Do you think Yoda would do something like that?

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I have a bracelet, WWYD, and I say no.

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You don't think so?

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I don't think so.

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I don't know.

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Yoda seems like a very charismatic figure.

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He might do a lot of different things.

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I know that Yoda spent a lot of time in Dagobah just hanging out.

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Right.

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He did.

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I'm not enough of a nerd to know this, but I remember that.

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Fuck you.

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Okay.

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But he hung out in that swamp for a long time, just like sort of honing his skills and being

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in hiding, waiting for Luke to show up.

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Uh-uh.

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Was not honing his skills.

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I'm sure he practiced a little.

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No, he was in hiding.

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But he was practicing along the way.

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No, no, no.

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Fuck you.

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After his defeat at the hands of the emperor, Emperor Palpatine, Darth Sidious, he then

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had to retreat and escape from that.

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But do you think there's a fucking chance he was sitting around in that swamp and not

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practicing?

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I'm assuming there was a shit ton of dead bodies in that swamp.

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I bet he practiced a whole bunch with his lightsaber in a creepypoo.

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No, he did not.

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He didn't have a lightsaber.

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He did in the fucking prequels.

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He did in the prequels, but he didn't have it in the Empire Strikes Back.

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He just didn't need to show it.

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It's a habit.

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What do you mean?

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Real power doesn't need to be flexed, all right?

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That's what I'm getting at.

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No.

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So, but no.

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All right.

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You've sold me.

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What I'm saying.

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Well, he would have actually fucking sparred with Luke, and he did not do that.

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No, he just-

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He just hung out on Luke's back.

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He didn't think that Luke was worthy.

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Look, here's the issue.

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The issue is he had a lot of time on his hands.

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That is the issue.

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He could have started-

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Just like Logan Paul.

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He could have started a YouTube series if he wanted to.

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True.

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And he didn't, and that's how we know canonically he wouldn't do that.

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So based on the Star Wars canon, Alex is correct.

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Yoda would not do that.

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That's true.

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This is not a psy-op.

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Here's my-

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This is not a psy-op.

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Here's my take.

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Logan Paul's video is not a psy-op, but that's the perfect Alex Jones thing to say.

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That is the perfect Alex Jones thing.

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What is that a psy-op on?

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This is the longest pause in the show's history.

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I have no idea.

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What would the psy-op be?

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Hold on.

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Let me scroll it back.

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I think he explains it a little bit.

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And then make money off of it.

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And do it while you're wearing a Yoda hat.

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All of it perfectly done.

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This is a psy-op, folks.

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This is all staged.

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To turn wisdom on its head, it's all archetypal.

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Okay.

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You think Yoda would go make fun of some dead body?

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Again, that archetype?

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This is what it's all about.

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Okay.

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I know 100% what he's talking about now.

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Okay.

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But go ahead.

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No, no, no.

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You go first.

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This is pretending that Logan Paul wearing a Yoda cartoony hat is some sort of a symbol

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that is to be a cue to the initiated of what's going on here.

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Have you read that blog?

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There's a blog called Vigilant Citizen.

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The answer before you even ask that question is no.

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There's a blog called Vigilant Citizen, and it's one of the biggest examples of this.

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They believe that symbology runs the world.

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And so all the celebrities cover in one eye.

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Like Humberto Eco.

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I know the name of the rose.

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The name of the Yoda.

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Would the rose do this?

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No.

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But celebrities putting one hand over their eye.

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Actually, that's a mystery.

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Anyways, keep going.

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Well, for one example, the eye of Horus or the blocking one of your eyes is a symbol

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of initiation into the Illuminati and that sort of thing.

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Everybody knows that.

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Where you see checkerboard floors in a movie, that's a cue to the initiated that like this

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is a meaningful scene.

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Stanley Kubrick.

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Yeah, all that stuff.

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And so I think that what Alex is trying to get at without having to spell it out, because

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he knows his audience goes to those blogs and like they're into that conspiracy shit

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too, is trying to say that the fact that he wore his hat, that hat, is an indication to

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you that all this is a fucking failure.

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All of this is fake.

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It is just trying to scar you.

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It's trying to fuck with you and turn wisdom on its head.

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Right.

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That's the part I don't understand.

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That's the, well, no, if I understand correctly, as opposed to like in regards to the turn

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wisdom on its head, you've got Yoda as a hat.

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Symbol of wisdom, hats.

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Next to dead body being worn by an asshole.

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And so you're turning wisdom on its head because Yoda-

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I gotta be honest.

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I already don't follow what you're saying.

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No.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So you got this-

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You were just saying elements of things.

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I don't get it.

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Okay.

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So you got an asshole.

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Logan.

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He's wearing a Yoda hat.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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And then he goes and mocks a dead body.

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I don't know.

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This is one story, like so many other stories, where I went, nah, fuck this.

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I don't give a shit.

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Everybody can die.

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Yeah.

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As soon as I saw it, I was like, hard pass.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Can't handle this.

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But also at the same time-

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I saw this as a story and I was like, everybody should die.

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I saw this and I was like, I don't know why I wasn't surprised by this.

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Like the escalation of people who need attention on YouTube is, I mean, there's a finite way

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that you can shock people.

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PewDiePie has already come out and done Nazi shit.

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What are you going to do?

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Show a dead body.

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And then at the same time, Rob Hubel has that YouTube Red show, Do You Want to See a Dead

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Body?

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Which is great.

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Where it's just fake.

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It's very funny.

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There's no reason to think that people who are exploitative wouldn't take that to the

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next level.

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Of course.

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The suicide forest in Japan, I can't remember the name of it because I don't remember Japanese

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words, but that's a real place where you can be definitely, you guarantee you'll see a

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dead body if you go in there.

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Weird.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I've read a bunch of stuff about it since and it's like, yeah.

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Suicide culture in Japan is a whole different thing.

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It's wild.

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And there's no, there's no situation where in he could have embarked on this without

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thinking he would find a dead body.

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So like the idea of like, oh, it's an accident or it's unplanned is nonsense, but we don't

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need to unpack that.

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It's about what Alex is saying.

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Here's my point.

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My point is this.

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If we are to follow along with what Alex said, Yoda, the Yoda hat is the symbol of wisdom.

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They're turning on its head by going into an, a clearly exploitative place and having

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an asshole see a dead body and do whatever he did.

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So Yoda, our symbol of wisdom is then associated with the asshole doing whatever he did.

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Well in that case, you see that symbol of wisdom and go, well, wisdom would do this.

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And so it destroys wisdom for you in that case.

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Go with an owl.

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Like, I mean, go with a more classical symbol.

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Why would you go with a classical symbol?

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You're trying to reach the millennials, man, you're trying to reach the kids because they

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fucking use the eye of Horace.

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I don't know.

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They are like, that's not a, that's not something they're like millennials are going to vibe

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with.

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I didn't see the video.

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I didn't see the video because the headline I saw was YouTube star and then I lit my phone

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on fire.

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Right?

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Like I was done.

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It's just fascinating that Alex, I mean, it's clear that his complaints come from pettiness

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about like they censored my video, why does he get away with it?

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And I don't, uh, that, that certainly is in play.

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And then I think the issue again for Alex was why isn't the symbol of wisdom and Alex

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Jones hat.

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God damn, we've got to make some Alex Jones hats.

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Oh, I would wear an Alex Jones hat.

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Just in a hat of Alex Jones with his mouth right here and then is okay.

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You pull on a little cord and it screams at people like one of those, like one of those

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cards where you open it and goes, I love you.

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Like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now I want an Alex Jones doll if we had endless resources, the things we could make bad ideas

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we could make reality.

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Be that as it may, I'm fucking flummoxed by everything that Alex Jones is doing because

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he should be supporting Logan Paul based on his philosophies.

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There's nothing that he did that breaches free speech.

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He was in Japan, right?

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Which is already you're on board.

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He doesn't give a shit.

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He doesn't give a shit about that person who died in that forest.

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He doesn't care at all.

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He exploits people who have died for rhetorical points all the time.

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Huge fan.

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He did it earlier with Breitbart.

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He's a huge fan of people who die.

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Yeah.

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He said that Steve Bannon came in with a bunch of money and disgraced Breitbart's reputation.

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Right.

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I mean, he's using Breitbart as a tool.

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Which makes perfect sense.

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He's using Andrew Breitbart as a prop in his attack of Bannon.

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So he doesn't care about people who died and all that shit.

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Right.

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I don't think necessarily there's any law against videotaping a dead body.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't.

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Obviously there's not.

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I don't.

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This is.

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The basis of death exists.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So obviously that's not the case.

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I mean, there's always going to be a fascination with dead bodies.

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Sure.

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With really fucked up people.

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Yeah.

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I'm just saying.

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Not necessarily even fucked up people.

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It's like, there's a weird, I don't know.

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I've never felt that way.

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Human instinct.

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Dude, somebody when I was in high school was like, let's watch faces of death.

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And I was like, let's turn you into one of those faces of death.

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I don't want to see this.

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Yeah.

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This is gross and wrong.

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Which is not to take some sort of high ground.

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It's just like, fuck you.

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I don't need that shit in my life.

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No, I had friends who would watch stuff like that and I'd go to the other room.

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Yeah.

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Like I just like, nope, no, no, no.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a big no.

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Yeah.

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But, but your argument that there is a fascination with some, I would argue they're fucked up,

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but yeah, sure.

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There are people who watch this beheading videos and stuff.

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I mean when you.

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But like, look, that's irrelevant.

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Like if you get into like one of the most popular podcasts now is My Favorite Murder

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and all they do is talk about serial killers.

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Like that's.

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But that's the minutia of it and the psychology.

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That's different than.

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Actually watching dead bodies or actually watching people die.

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The swallowing and the actual death of it is different than the circumstances that surround

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it.

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The clues, the, uh, the, the, the psychology.

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I think that's very different.

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I just, I just don't think it's a pathology.

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I don't think it's some sort of, uh, if Logan Paul, instead of like wandering into a dead

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body and then sort of laughing and clowning a little bit, right.

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Had off camera found a dead body and then stayed the whole thing or no, no respectfully

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sort of, uh, discussed, uh, the experience of it.

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And then also it was like, uh, there was a note by it because a lot of people who kill

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themselves in that forest leave notes.

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Call Larry Nichols.

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Right.

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But like there, there, there is a way that he could have done it in a My Favorite Murder

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style or a serial style that would have been much more tasteful.

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It still would be disrespectful to the person who died because they didn't consent to be

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a part of his stunt or whatever.

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But it wouldn't be as ugly.

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To clarify that position, uh, I think it wouldn't be respectful to the people who cared about

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the person who died.

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The moment you die, you don't give, you don't, you don't exist.

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So go fuck yourself.

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I'm not clear.

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I'm not clear.

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I agree with you on that, but it's not worth arguing.

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Yes, it's absolutely not worth arguing.

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I think that your rights do extend after death to a, to an extent.

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Disagree.

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Not worth arguing.

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I'm going to desecrate your fucking corpse.

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Please do.

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All right.

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Well, see there, that already is consent.

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See, now that's the issue.

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Yeah.

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See, that's different.

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Now I don't, I don't care.

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Now you don't care.

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Now you won't desecrate my corpse because...

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I still might.

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No, but like, the issue, I mean, there's, there's a lot of issues, uh, and a lot of

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them are, are really, really salient about like the idea of going and doing this indicates

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so much more about who you are and that's a problem, but I don't think, I don't think

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it's necessarily YouTube's place or anyone, anyone in charge place to say, I will censor

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this.

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Yeah.

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And I, I'm 90% on that side.

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I'm also 100% certain that's Alex's side.

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Right, right, right.

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I'd actually want to take myself down to about 70% because I do think that Grace comes into

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it.

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I think, I think, I think that I don't think that governing bodies should be able to tell

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you what you can and can't say, but I think we need to be much more active, punishing

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people for stuff that is distasteful, not distasteful, but wrong.

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Like there's a difference.

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I think, I think I would circle back to the difference between conservatism and Nazism.

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Okay.

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Both are distasteful.

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One is wrong.

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Which one?

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Fuck you.

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I think, I think, I think we always wind up going back to, like in this particular circumstance,

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I think I start from the place of, as we've discussed before with our friend, being rich

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is a morally questionable decision.

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Yes.

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And societies that allow strict wealth are doing disservice.

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I think I would start all the way back there and say, being a YouTube star is a morally

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questionable decision.

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Absolutely.

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Well, but it's not a decision.

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I mean, it's a decision that he made as a child and his parents sort of reinforced in

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it.

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It went, and actually-

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See, but then I get back to why the fuck do we care?

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Like, I hope he dies.

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I don't give a fuck about this Logan Paul motherfucker.

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Interestingly, we can stop here, but our friend who, I mean, we all agree with this sentiment,

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but she just summed it up so perfectly with being wealthy is a morally suspicious choice.

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Right.

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Great tweet from-

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Perfect.

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Katie McVeigh.

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All of the words are perfect too.

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Katie nailed it.

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Look her up on Twitter because she wrote a very, very salient and concise essay about

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Logan Paul and about what he embodies.

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And there is a lot of that white privilege, that white male privilege that wouldn't think

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for a second that this is wrong to do.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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And she unpacks a lot of those ideas much more saliently than we can do.

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Very talented and great person.

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Let's jump off this and just say it's fucked up that Alex Jones doesn't support him because

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it's right in his support base.

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Yes.

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It's out of character.

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And I think that's just, I don't know why that is, I can't figure out, but then even

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beyond that-

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I think pettiness.

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Once again, we get back to why is it that Logan Paul seems to get more views than he

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does?

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Yeah, it's probably that.

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That's where we get back to.

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We're entrapped in a cycle and let's kick out of it just to say that Alex Jones' rant

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about Brian Stelter, of course is stupid, but at the same time, wild.

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Yeah.

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Makes no sense.

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Insane.

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No.

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But boring.

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Yes.

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A lot of these other things, Trump being like William Wallace, I mean that's, I don't know.

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What else we got?

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I don't know.

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Wolf?

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I don't know.

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I think we've ended in the same place we started.

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I don't think we've learned-

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Oh, man.

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May the wolf eat your flesh.

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I don't think we learned anything.

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I think that's where we got back to.

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Okay, it's time for us to wrap this up, so please go to knowledgefight.com, that is our

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website.

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Absolutely.

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If you would like to, there's a banner that says click support the show.

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You can do that.

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If we get to, what is it, 72 more dollars for this month?

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I believe so, yeah.

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We will do a thing that will hurt both of us immensely.

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Mostly me.

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Yes.

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You can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.

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You can go to Facebook.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, you did it this time.

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All right.

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Now I'm back in.

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2018, I'm in.

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I'm on iTunes, and then shortly, once I get around to it, we'll be on some other platforms

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I haven't yet.

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Right, right, right.

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I'm still-

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From what we've heard, not everybody can find us through iTunes and so on.

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Yeah, I feel bad about that, but at the same time, I'm busy.

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It's hard.

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Life's hard.

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Are you?

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Mm-hmm.

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And then, oh, since we can't do that, fuck face.

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Mm-hmm.

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Who are we mad at today?

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I don't know.

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It's tough to figure out who today's pile of garbage is.

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Pile of shit.

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I'm scrolling through Twitter to see who people are angry at.

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Oh, no, we can't allow other people to be angry at us.

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Yeah, let's not allow that input to come in.

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I feel like-

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You know what?

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I want to say Michael Wolff.

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You want to say Michael Wolff?

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He's unleashed so much shit.

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You know what?

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I don't disagree with you.

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All right.

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Which means-

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Michael Wolff, you're a pile of shit.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.