Transcript/103: January 17, 2016

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan!

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We are a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Today we're drinking nice, uh, sparkling water.

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That seems to be a go-to, to a certain extent.

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I, well, and we-

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They're cheap, they're tasty.

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We did plenty of drinking last night, so maybe, maybe no, uh, no drinks today.

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We went out to a shit, couple shit bars.

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We went out to, I think, three or four shit bars.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mmm.

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It was not great.

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No.

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And I know nothing about Alex Jones.

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That's the premise of the show, I know a lot about him, you don't know anything about him, and we try and, uh, work through his, uh, weirdness.

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Absolutely.

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Uh, just if anyone's keeping track, we did play a game of Scrabble last night out at the bar, but it was non-canonical.

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No, it did not count.

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It was non-canonical.

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It was a bad Scrabble game from the jump.

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Cause we were furious that, uh, our food took maybe an hour and a half.

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Forever.

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Forever.

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Forever.

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Yeah.

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To make at this, uh, shit bar.

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Yeah.

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And it's not like we got complicated food, we got, you put it in a fryer and then hand it to us.

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Mox sticks.

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Yeah.

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And fries.

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Fries.

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Yeah.

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Um, and also, I mean, we should have known.

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There was vomit, like, right outside the bar.

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That's true.

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We should have known, like, let's-

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It's partly on us.

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Hard pass on this bar.

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No.

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Um, but, anyway, we are here, uh, we are drinking, uh, fizzy water, uh, which is delicious, and we are thrilled to be back, uh, on this here Alex Jones broadcast.

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Yeah, it's been a while since we've recorded.

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Uh, yeah, it feels like forever.

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Oh, yeah.

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Um, I'd like to say a couple things really quick.

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First, um, I don't, I don't-

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Don't go to Parrot's Bar on, uh, Halstead.

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I was hoping you would keep it big.

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Hahahaha.

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I, I mentioned this last night, and it's one of those things that I really, really hate about bars, uh, some bars.

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They have, like, big open windows to the street.

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I think that some people of a certain persuasion-

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Assholes.

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Exactly. They have a performative aspect to their nights out.

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Where, like, it's the people who get really dressed up, and they want to be seen, and look like they're having fun, more than actually having fun.

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And there was a large group of people that were spending most of the time there at the pool table.

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You wanted to play pool.

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Right.

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And we couldn't because of them.

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And they were, like, doing, they were just over-hyping how much fun they were having.

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They were acting like they were in a Dave and Busters commercial.

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It was exactly that, and I know it's because there's a huge window to the street there.

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They knew that people could watch them having fun.

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Right.

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It was, it was pathetic.

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They might as well have been sponsored by the bar, like, hey, go hang out in this window, and everybody will be like, holy shit, this place is fun.

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And then you go into the bar and you're like, this is the saddest place in the world.

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I just want mozzarella sticks.

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I just want my fucking mozzarella sticks!

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And, I mean, my theory that these people were dicks, uh, was, like, very well established by when they came over, and, uh, a guy lectured you about low fives.

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Oh, yeah, that's right. Fuck, I forgot that.

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We were trying to just play Scrabble, mind our own business, wait for our food, and some guy came over and you gave your girlfriend a low five.

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Yeah.

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And he was like, nah, man.

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What, are you doing low fives in here? No, you give high fives.

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And it's like, oh, why are you still alive?

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Right, it's like, at what point do you think this is a friendship startup?

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Like, is that what's going on?

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Are you trying to be a dick, or do you think this is going to be an icebreaker?

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What's going, like, I don't understand that mentality in people.

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I fucking, I just don't get it.

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I don't connect with people.

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What would the ice, well, how would that break the ice?

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Just like, oh, low fives are bad? You sound like the most interesting man in the world.

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Let's talk to you.

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You must have read that in a book.

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Yeah.

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And that's why we took-

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Have you heard about the protocols of the Elders of Zion, sir?

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Oh, boy.

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We had very different approaches to dealing with this guy, too, because, like, you were kind of like, ah, you're an asshole.

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And my approach was, haha. Like, very over-the-top fake laughing.

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Yeah.

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And neither worked.

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I think it's fair to say if you've listened to our show, you understood the dynamic of how we reacted to it.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So those weren't the things I wanted to say.

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I wanted to say that on our Facebook page right now, and we started at the end of last week,

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we started to post a lot more blog content about Alex Jones in the immediate.

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So when I'm listening to the episodes, I'm cutting clips and writing up debunking articles about fucked up things he says in real time.

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Right.

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And I appreciate everybody who's liked them and shared them.

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But what I want to say is that if you are interested in the show, I would really appreciate it if you could go and share them.

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It makes such a big difference in terms of Facebook's algorithms.

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And it's not one of these Alex Jones things where they're censoring us.

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Right.

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It's just how it works.

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If you have like a fan page or whatever, your content doesn't get pushed to all your fans unless you pay for it.

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But you can organically get around that through like three or four or five people sharing things.

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The ball starts rolling.

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It gets shown to a wider range of people.

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And that would be a massive help in terms of getting the word out about things that we think are important about Alex Jones.

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So if you could do that, I appreciate it.

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But at the same time, if you don't want to, don't do it because I understand what it's like.

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I don't want to share a bunch of stuff on my page.

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I don't want my page getting cluttered up with a bunch of crazy people talking about Alex Jones.

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And if that's where you're at, I understand.

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And frankly, if that's not where you're at, who are you?

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What's going on?

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Are you OK?

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Do you need to call us?

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I feel like you're talking to me now.

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I was trying to stealthily do that.

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That's fair.

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So I appreciate that.

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That would be wonderful.

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Anyway, let's get on to it.

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Let's get down to business.

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You said there were a few things you wanted to talk about.

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I think it was the...

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I think that was just one.

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No, because it was a compound thing.

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It was the, if you want to share the stuff, please do.

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And also the second thing was, if you don't want to, I totally understand.

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That doesn't count as two things.

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I think it does.

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I disagree.

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In my head, it's very separate things.

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All right.

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All right.

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Anyways, don't go to Parrot's Bar on Halstead and Clark.

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That's the third thing I want to think about.

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Oh no, the other thing is I wanted to give a shout out to our new policy wonk.

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We got a new donation.

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Oh shit, we got a new policy wonk?

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We did, so I'd like to give this one out to you.

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What's going on out there, Ryan?

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much for joining up with the team.

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Absolutely.

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And if you're Paul Ryan, go fuck yourself.

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I don't think he would call himself Ryan.

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I don't know.

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You know, after you find out that Kevin Durant had multiple Twitter accounts to fucking attack

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people who made fun of his, who knows?

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Anything is possible.

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What if Paul Ryan is a self-hating Republican?

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I'm certain he is.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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So if you want to become a policy wonk, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking the support the show button.

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Now we've done all kinds of business here with the top five minutes of the show.

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And thank you very much, Ryan.

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Yes, thank you.

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We appreciate it.

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Keeps the lights on.

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Low five.

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Not in my house, goddammit.

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So this is my house, first of all.

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Then yes, sir, I will give you a low five.

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I'd like to propose a metaphorical high five for the fact that today we are back in the past.

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Oh, thank God.

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The most recent shows of Alex's have not been fun and not really all that interesting because

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he's mostly just going hard at Al Franken.

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And quite frankly, I don't disagree.

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No, I'm fine with it.

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Yeah.

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If Al Franken's assaulting people, then absolutely he should step down.

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And I don't think he gets a pass in any way.

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Alex is presenting it as like, these liberals won't call their own to task.

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I'm like, fuck off.

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Everyone hates Lena Dunham.

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Everybody is mad at Al Franken.

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Yeah, and they're mad at him in a much more complicated way than Republicans seem possible

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of achieving disappointment.

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And you sorry, you fucked up.

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You got to go.

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Right.

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But the disappointment of like you had done some good things in the Senate.

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You seemed like you were you know, he's real sharp in a lot of categories in terms of grilling

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people about climate change.

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He's been very publicly helpful towards the cause of towards just women.

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That's unfortunate, but the reality is the reality of people on the left are dealing

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with reality.

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Right.

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Maybe what we should do is never give men any sort of power because chances are they're

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going to abuse it or especially towards women.

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Extreme vetting.

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Perhaps.

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I don't know.

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It's super complicated.

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The way Alex is dealing with it isn't based in reality.

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And it's just trying to score points.

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And the whole time he's just talking with all these people about like about Roy Moore

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and his whole perspective is it's weird.

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What?

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It's like no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Now is not the time to talk about age of consent laws.

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First off.

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Well, second, he absolutely raped a girl.

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You know it and I know it.

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That happened.

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Well, there was that accuser who came out and said that he basically like grabbed her

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head through to his crotch after driving her to a darkened part of a parking lot.

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Yeah.

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Which is weird.

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No.

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That's criminal.

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That's a crime.

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Yeah.

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And so.

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It's a weird crime.

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Maybe.

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I might give you that one.

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Yeah.

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It's possible that you could take credit for that.

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Anyway, I do have one thing I wanted to play.

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This is sort of an out of context drop.

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OK.

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This is from the November 16th show.

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So this is from the present.

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And it's Alex trying to score points about his sexual tastes.

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No.

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No.

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It's interesting.

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No.

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Porn.

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Take porn.

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I will.

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I can't even watch it anymore.

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And I'm not going to sit up here with our audience and be fake and say I've never seen

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porn.

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I literally.

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OK.

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You know what I like?

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Oh, no.

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I like typing in pinup girls from the 50s and I'll just sit there for like an hour on

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my computer looking at women as pinup girls.

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Now that's weird.

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Or like a waitress in a cute skirt and cute outfit, like a woman cute and happy.

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That's what I like.

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That's really weird.

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That's I mean, there's a lot of things to unpack there.

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Yeah.

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I trust someone who likes hardcore porn way more than who stares at pinups for hours.

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Right.

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Because he's talking about it in a sexual context.

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Yeah, of course.

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And like, let's let's be clear.

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The like the fetishizing of pinup girls and that sort of aesthetic often is.

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Maybe a fetishization of like women without power.

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Yeah, like an era, an era where women were very subservient and submissive.

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Right.

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And I think there's some weird elements there.

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And the idea that you'd be sitting there for an hour just like, ah, look at that.

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It's like it's it's very much an uncomplicated like I like women who cannot talk back, who

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only smile and who are never, ever mad at me.

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You ever fuck a mannequin?

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Yeah.

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Have you ever fucked a mannequin?

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I've not.

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I'm fine with fucking a mannequin leg.

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I've not.

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I've also not had a blow up doll or as my right.

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My friend Sal from Columbia, Missouri, would say, a blow up fuck doll.

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He's the guy who owned the bar I used to do my comedy show at one one night.

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He decided he was going to do a set and like, fuck, you know, he's great.

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He's a hilarious, like former New Jersey pipe fitter.

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He's an awesome guy.

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All right.

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Now I'm back on board.

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So he called himself the wolf man sack.

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Now I'm super on board with his character.

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I want a million of him.

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And so he gets on stage and he's like, Hey, you know why you ever have one of these blow

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up fuck dolls?

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His set is just maybe 10 minutes of him saying blow up repeatedly like, I love it.

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Like that's, that's always the best part.

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That's the best part of any kind of open mic is look, people who are working on jokes.

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Fine.

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I'm happy for you.

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Yeah.

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Lunatics.

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Now I'm, now I'm excited.

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He's the good kind of lunatic to be fair in all fairness, we ran into some of the other

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sorts and they don't deserve to be discussed.

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Nah.

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So let's, let's move back into 2016 Jordan.

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Yes.

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We're in January, 2016.

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We last left off, I believe on like the 11th or so.

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When last we left our hero.

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After the 11th, there's a string of boring fucking shows because Alex, it comes out that

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Chris Carter is rebooting the X files.

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Okay.

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He's restarting the X files and one of the characters, no, not the Vikings we're seeing

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receiver.

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Okay.

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The guy who actually, who created the X files.

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All right, all right.

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And one of the characters in the new X files was loosely based on Alex Jones.

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Yes.

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No, I recall that.

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He, he in an interview says that Alex Jones isn't what he would consider to be super right

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wing.

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He's more of a libertarian and Alex takes that to be a big positive.

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Of course.

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That's fair.

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That is what it is.

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You know, whatever.

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Yeah.

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But Alex for like...

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I think we would beg to differ, but okay.

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It doesn't matter to me really, you know, the categorization isn't the most important

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thing.

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Fair.

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But, um, he goes on for about two days talking about how the X files is the biggest show

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of all time.

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And even, even they know that Alex Jones is right about everything and that's why they're

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putting him in the show.

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Of course.

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And he's friends with Dean Haglund, one of the guys from the Lone Gunman.

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I take it he hasn't seen it.

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Uh, it didn't come out at this point.

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At this point in time.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It was still like in promotion or they had just, uh, maybe wrapped filming or something

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like that.

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Right.

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Um, but he, or maybe...

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Kumail hadn't even started on his, uh, interview.

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No, it's beginning of 2016, so I think it had like maybe was about to air or something

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like that.

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But, um, he goes on and on and on for like two days straight, just about how like the

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X Files loves me.

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Chris Carter's a patriot.

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We're going to get him on the show.

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Best show of all time.

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Uh, and then he talks about Dean Haglund, the guy from the Lone Gunman, the spinoff

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of the X Files.

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Okay.

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And how one of the episodes, the CIA had contacted the Lone Gunman writers and told them to

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write 9-11 as a plot in the show in order to prematurely inoculate the public from thinking

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it was fake.

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Cause like it couldn't have been fake.

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I mean, it was in this episode.

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The odds of that are fucking crazy.

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I'm like, okay, I don't want to do this.

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I'm just listening to the episodes.

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I'm like, I don't want to do this.

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Nope.

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Fuck this.

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And then David Knight hosts a couple of days.

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And so...

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Definitely don't want to do that.

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No.

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So I jumped ahead to the next day.

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That was...

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Can you imagine, what if we did a David Knight episode?

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Would that even, would that even work?

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I feel like that wouldn't even work for us.

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I think the audience would revolt.

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I think we would revolt.

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We would lose our walks, man.

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I think we would try and record the episode and then halfway through rage quit like a

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online video game player.

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It's possible.

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I think we'd lose all of our donations and our will to live.

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Which is amazing that David Knight hasn't done the same to Info Wars.

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He knows his job.

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Yeah.

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He knows his place.

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So, what we ended up having to do...

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He's like a well-trained dog.

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I want to stress this.

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I mean this sincerely.

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Because our last episode that we covered was like on the 11th or the 12th, and today's

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episode we're covering January 17th, don't think that that doesn't mean I still had to

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listen to 15 hours of Alex Jones for nothing.

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15 hours that we're not going to be covering at all, I still listen to that shit.

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But it took me all that time to get to the 17th of January, 2016, and boy was it worth

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it.

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Okay.

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There are a couple things that we're going to find out on this show that are huge in

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terms of proving some theories that we've had about Alex.

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Okay.

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And then beyond that, he's crazy.

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Yay!

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It's a Sunday show, so he's...

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So we're going to start some soft narratives.

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That's what's about to happen.

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Not especially.

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Okay.

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It's not one of those Sunday shows.

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It's one of the Sunday shows where he knows that the audience is the smaller and more

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engaged audience, and so he feels free to like let it rip.

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Right.

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I think he thinks he's a preacher also in this episode.

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That sounds good.

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So we're going to start with...

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That's a good Alex Jones.

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We like that one.

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It's not bad in terms of the...

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And I mean, he's a little bit of an esoteric preacher too.

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Especially when he's really, really wrong about what he's preaching about.

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Well, we'll find out if that's the case.

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I imagine it is.

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Alex is mad at sports today.

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That's where he begins the broadcast, so we'll join him here.

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Well, we're on the 17th, right around Super Bowl territory.

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February...

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The beginning of February was the Super Bowl in 2016.

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Yeah, so we're in the playoffs.

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We're in the playoffs.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And Alex has some thoughts.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to be honest with you, I'm not as manly as a lot of the

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people out there who are going to be watching the Seahawks and the Carolina Panthers coming

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up here in a little while.

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In fact, I'm so unmanly that I don't even know who played in the earlier playoffs today.

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Hell yeah.

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You did it.

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You know, the truth is, I played football in high school.

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I liked football.

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I went to Dallas Cowboys games with someone when I was a kid.

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And I can sure get into a game.

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Cool.

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I can sure enjoy it.

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But you know, when I realized that it's used as a propaganda tool by the social engineers

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and that the patriotism you see during the game has been paid for with millions of dollars.

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Well, then I assume you support Colin Kaepernick's taking a knee, right?

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Because the patriotism is clearly paid for.

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And in fact, the government pays the NFL to pull all that bullshit.

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They started doing that around 2006, if I recall correctly.

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Yeah, all the jingoism and Americana.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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But like.

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So since he knows that it's just a crass money making scheme, maybe he supports people branding.

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Yeah.

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But like the other thing about it is like Alex is so stupid.

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Like the idea that he thinks that that's some sort of like arcane secret thing that he's

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presenting like the idea that the government pays or the military pays the NFL to promote

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the military.

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Right.

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Of course they.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Haven't you seen the army commercial?

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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It's not anybody could see through that.

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Right.

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I don't understand why it's like they secretly do that.

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It's declassified.

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That sort of mentality.

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It's very weird.

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I mean, when they've got like Keith David doing voiceover for the Navy commercial, it's

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like, come on, guys, you guys are screwing everybody over.

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And you have all those like those commercials for the military services that have like real

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athletic tone to them.

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And then on top of that, like, you know, just, I don't know, video game soldier tone.

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Those sound fun.

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Yeah.

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It's I mean, it's a different issue than he's complaining about, quite frankly.

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Yeah.

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It's propaganda.

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No, he's right.

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And again, he's super wrong for those reasons.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, great.

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I'm glad that he can enjoy games.

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I'm glad that he, I guess, has seen through the bullshit and now doesn't want and he doesn't

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get into the idea of sapping manlyhood, manliness, man.

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Yeah.

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Manhood.

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Yeah.

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From dudes.

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Male vitality.

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Exactly.

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He usually does that when he complains about football.

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It's like, it's fake warfare to try and demasculinize man or whatever.

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He's not really on that tip.

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How does he feel about the movie Toys, which has turned out to be one of the more prescient

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films of our time?

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Hates it.

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Really?

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Hates it.

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Oh, man.

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Doesn't like.

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But Robin Williams and LL Cool J, come on.

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He thought that the...

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Nailing the future right.

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He thought that the MTV segment was whack.

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I don't disagree with him.

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I agree.

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So he's in this weird place about sports, but then he makes this revelation that makes

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absolutely no sense and indicates something other than enjoyment of sport and sports leagues

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that he seems to be complaining about.

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Not here judging anybody who's into sports.

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I get it.

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I've been there.

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In fact, even though I've been awake, what year was it that the Red Sox finally went

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back to the World Series?

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It's like eight, nine, 10 years ago, 2003.

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And I was working on a film with a director who was into the Red Sox.

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And so I started at his office working late and then going out to restaurants or bars

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with him to watch it up to the World Series.

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But it just took like a month or whatever, but it took over my life.

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I was calling my wife saying, yeah, I'm sorry.

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I'm going back out to tonight to watch the Red Sox.

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I mean, I get it, folks.

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If I started watching it within days, if I started watching ESPN, I would be hooked like

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a 10 pound bash on the end of a line.

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Right through my lip.

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I'm not judging you.

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I get it.

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I've been there.

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Exactly.

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I think he was gambling because that that behavior is not I mean, when the like Cubs

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were in the World Series.

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That's how you were.

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Yeah.

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But you're a clubs fan.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That makes sense.

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Why would you just randomly?

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There's no reason.

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I mean, I know he said he's hanging out with the Sox fan, but he's a lifelong Texan.

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There's no reason for him to like the Red Sox.

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Now.

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I mean, at the time that was an amazing team and it was a great narrative.

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You know, Pedro Martinez was throwing fireballs like it was a good time.

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It was St. Louis.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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They beat.

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I don't remember.

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I don't know.

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But after they came back from three down to beat the Yankees, that was that was pretty

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much the end of it.

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I was working at a lion's choice roast beef shop when that happened in my life.

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How'd it go?

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Well, it was great.

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I loved it.

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Did you get some beef?

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I made a lot of beef.

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OK.

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I made a lot of beef.

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Real bloody beef.

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It was horrible.

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I don't like that.

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I would go home just covered in blood from the roast beef because I was on the slicer.

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OK.

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My buddy Colin was on buns.

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He had to butter the buns.

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You should have switched.

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You should have switched jobs.

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No, because it was super fun because he was kind of slow on it and would always go, waiting

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on buns.

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That was kind of our thing.

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He decided he was going to make a rap album and the title is going to be Waiting on Buns.

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That's not a lot.

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Not a good take.

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Not a good title.

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Anyway, there's a guy who worked there who's from St. Louis.

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And just because I was like, the Cardinals are up in the series.

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I like a gamble.

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I bet you one hundred dollars that the Red Sox win this thing.

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He's like, you got it.

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And did not pay me.

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Oh.

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Did not pay me.

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I'm sorry about that.

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Probably would have collected from me if I had lost.

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Of course.

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I did not.

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I did not make him pay.

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But be that as it may, what Alex is describing is not normal sports watcher behavior.

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That's a gambler's behavior.

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That's a gambling problem.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That is like, I got money on the spread, honey.

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I'll be home later.

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I got to, I got to watch the game, see if my prop bets hit.

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You know, someone to the warning track.

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I get 20 bucks.

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Yeah, there's definitely there's a there's no like, oh, I'm going to take the.

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The run line.

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Nah.

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Nah, dude.

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You're going wild.

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Or or just like because sports is such an excuse to drink, it could be like an alcoholism

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thing.

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He's got an addictive personality.

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That's really all he's revealing there.

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Yeah.

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The problem he has with sports is the problem he has with him.

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Not sports.

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Right.

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Sports are not the issue here, Alex.

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And that might be why he thinks that sports takes away people's like virility and their

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enthusiasm and energy is because it does for him.

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Yeah.

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He gets fucked up by them.

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That's true.

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As we as we have found elsewhere, he is a world class projector.

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Yeah, that's true.

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You should get a movie theater job and such a projectionist.

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So in this next clip, Alex talks a little bit about science.

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OK.

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Guess what?

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He's wrong.

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I bet.

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And the system's written countless books, countless university studies, white papers.

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They had the Stanford research studies.

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They had others.

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There's more than seven famous ones where they were able to get nine out of 10 or more

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people to murder subjects in the graduate student and Ph.D. programs.

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Look them up.

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I did.

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They're a bunch of famous studies.

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Just type in famous study where students believe they were killing subjects.

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And when an authority figure stood there, their professor.

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By successful approximation, took a week or so of them slowly torturing people they believed

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with actors.

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That's not how that works.

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With electric shocks to then say, kill them.

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And most people would then kill or what they believe was murder under peer pressure from

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an authority figure.

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That's the Milgram experiment.

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Oh, shouldn't have been specific.

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Auto-medians to authority figures.

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Not a good idea.

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That's what this has all been about, ladies and gentlemen.

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So that's the one that's about the Nuremberg trials, essentially, is OK.

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The foundational question was, is it possible that these people were just following orders?

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Right.

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And so what they did is they had it set up where one subject, the test subject, was in

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a room with an experimenter, had the dial, no, had a button.

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They had the button.

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I was fairly certain that was the dial one or they had it was like it would turn up every

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time.

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The experimenter would turn up the knob, which was a fake knob.

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How it worked was you had the experimenter and you had the subject.

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In the other room, the next room, you had the plant who was working with the experimenter

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and they were supposedly another subject of the study.

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So you had the experimenter, the role of the subject was to be a teacher and the other

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subject in the other room was supposed to be the student.

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And in the set up of the experiment, the subject would be sitting there and they would try

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and get the other person in the other room to guess a word based on another word.

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There was a word game that they were playing and whenever they got an answer wrong, they

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were supposed to shock the other person.

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Now the experimenter who was sitting in the room with the knob, every time they'd get

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an answer wrong, they would turn up the voltage.

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And if the person who was the subject of the study, who was asking the questions, who was

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supposed to be the teacher, if they said to the experimenter, I don't think we should

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do this, they would rebut them four times and if they made it past the fourth rebuttal,

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the experiment would end.

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That was the whole idea to see how much people would push back against authority.

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And they did find that most people very unhappily went along with it.

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The other way the experiment ended was you get up to 450 volts.

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Which is enough to kill.

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Theoretically.

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Now what's interesting...

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They were told it was enough to kill regardless...

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That's not an essential piece of the experiment.

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Right.

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That's one of the things he's misrepresenting.

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I mean, 65 volts could kill you.

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It's electricity through your brain.

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It's not about voltage.

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It's about current when it comes down to electricity.

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And it also comes down to, like, do you have a wound when it's going in, because skin is

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a really good conductor for the most part of electricity.

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But if you have a cut or something like that, the blood is going to be a disaster.

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So there's all, like, it's not, they weren't sitting down there and being like, kill this

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man.

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Or something like that.

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Right.

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No, he does present it that way.

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It was super fucked up as an experiment.

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What they learned was pretty shocking.

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Now, here's the other most important piece that Alex is not talking about.

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The Milgram experiment, it is historically seen as not that great of an experiment.

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And here's why.

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Everyone was dudes.

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Yeah.

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No shit.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, in a certain way...

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The original experiment was all dudes.

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But if you are going to test that as a Nuremberg trial situation, though, not a lot of Nazi

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female soldiers in that regard.

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Yeah, that's probably true.

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And it was at the time, you know, militaries were all dudes.

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Except for the Russian military, because they needed everybody.

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But yeah.

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Right.

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But you can't, like...

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As far as an experiment goes, I don't think he is, I think he's misrepresenting it and

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getting a lot of the details wrong.

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But based on what he is saying, I think he's got the spirit of what he's trying to say

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correct.

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Which is that it's weird that people would be willing to murder because of an authority

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figure.

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Yeah.

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If that's all he's trying to say.

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In the first set of experiments, I mean, Alex said 90%, 65%, 26 out of the 40 experiment

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participants.

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Which is also too small a sample size to really externalize and generalize based on.

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It's fucked up.

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But it's still like...

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So 65% of the participants administered the experiment's final 450 volt shock.

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Though many were very uncomfortable doing so.

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At some point, every participant paused and questioned the experiment.

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Some said they would refund the money they were paid for participating in the experiment.

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Throughout the experiment, subjects displayed varying degrees of tension and stress.

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Subjects were sweating, trembling, stuttering, biting their lips, groaning, digging their

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fingernails into their skin.

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And some were even having nervous laughing fits or seizures.

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Yeah.

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It's a really fucked up experiment.

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In a way, I mean, in passing, he does mention that he also brings up...

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The Stanford Prison Experiment?

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And that's another super fucked up one.

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But again, it's not...

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And it's also another one that...

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That's Lord of the Flies shit.

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In the same way that Milgram is...

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They are described less as experiments and more as kind of philosophical questions.

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And cautions.

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Yeah.

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The Stanford Prison Experiment is a...

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If it were...

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If the...

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What am I trying to say?

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If the strictures of the experiment were applied elsewhere, it would be immediately invalidated.

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No biological science, no any of the hard sciences would ever accept those rules as

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a valid experiment.

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It's more or less anecdotal in nature.

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Exactly.

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It's still a poignant.

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It is.

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The Stanford Prison Experiment, you can still draw some conclusions from that, but you can't

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draw wide, far reaching conclusions.

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You can just notice, hey, human beings are fucked up.

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You know what they almost are?

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They almost are good ways to inoculate people from that behavior in the future.

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That's possible.

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Because you have these, quote, experiments that are done that demonstrate a point and

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people can see it illustrated in real time and they're like, oh, I hope I wouldn't do

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that.

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And then possibly going through their life, they're more aware of the influence of authority

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figures or in the case of the prison experiment, they're more aware of the idea of us versus

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them mentalities that break out artificially and just naturally wherever.

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So I mean, like we'd had with that guy at the bar last night.

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Well, and the only problem with that though is it doesn't seem to matter.

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We have a very good experiment about how Nazism works and apparently people are still fine

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with it.

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Yeah, that's fairly true.

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Yeah.

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Oh, well.

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I don't know.

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Those are really, really interesting studies, again, because they are invalid.

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Just by the very fact of it being, you being aware that it is an experiment.

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And you're being paid.

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And you're being paid means that you're, like if I'm in that situation with an experiment

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and they're saying, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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There's also the part of your brain that goes, well, there's no way they would allow me to

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kill a guy.

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So there is a artificial construct there.

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Right?

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What if they did?

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Dude!

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It was the 60s.

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Who fucking knows?

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The 70s.

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Whatever.

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But yeah, you killed a guy and the experimenter's like, dude, that's fucked up.

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Hey, I mean, you want to go back to the fucking Tuskegee experiments?

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They're fine with killing people, especially back then.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That was back when science was more of like, eh, you guys hear some money, go fucking whatever.

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I don't know.

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Just do something.

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Yeah.

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Let's see what, justify your budget.

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That's all we need from you.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is wrong about the, I mean, it's sort of like these, he's right in a small sense

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and wrong in a big sense about these experiments.

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As is so often the case when we say he is right, it is generally speaking in a very,

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very small capacity.

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A very trivial way.

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Yeah.

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But don't let that fucking fool you.

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Okay.

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I won't.

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Alex has a history of reading brainy magazines.

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Please don't tell me he says that.

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He does.

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I remember reading 20 something years ago in different publications that were a little

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bit more brainy that the CIA by the 50s had put on a worldwide program to put out ugly

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art to discredit beautiful art because they wanted to destroy the discrimination factors

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in the brain between what is good and what is bad.

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You read that in brainy publications.

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I came on a skull too.

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I don't know if you guys remember that one.

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Well yeah, there is that.

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Go back to the March 30th episode for that fucking super fun times.

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So his idea of what, so as he understands the CIA's plan, it is to put out bad art in

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order to discredit good art.

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Yes.

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That is a great CIA plan and I want to fund more of that.

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And like the idea of like making it so you can't differentiate between good art and bad

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art, what is beautiful and what is ugly.

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It's complete nonsense.

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But I mean you go into the, there's tons of anecdotes of like, oh, I actually just let

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a monkey paint this and it sold for a million dollars.

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Like what are you talking about going to discredit art?

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The art world is already fabricated anyways.

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Yeah.

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Um, but there, I mean there's a, there's a truth to, to some of this.

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The CIA did help promote people like Jackson Pollock, Mark Rothko and Willem de Kooning,

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uh, like these abstract expressionists back in their time.

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I did not know that.

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They did.

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Uh, and it was a way, uh, it was a piece of the cold war strategy that they had.

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Okay.

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The CIA was wild during the cold war.

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The artists that I'm reading here from an article in open culture about this, um, the

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artists themselves were completely unaware that their work was being used as propaganda

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on what agents called a quote long leash.

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They participated in several exhibitions secretly organized by the CIA, such as the new American

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painting, uh, which visited major European cities in 1958 and 1959 and included such

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modern primitive works as surrealist William Basiot's 1947 painting Dorf in 1951's tournament

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by Adolf Gottlieb.

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And 1984's Dorf on golf.

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Indeed.

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So they're like super fucked up paintings.

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They're like a bizarre, completely abstract.

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Um, so, uh, so was the, okay, next question.

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And this is very serious.

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Was the CIA behind the Dadaist movement?

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Uh, they were behind Rococo.

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Okay.

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I accept that.

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So the idea that, uh, what they were doing is, um, when you have this art, uh, and it's

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not really seen as all that great over here, but you have people in Russia who are used

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to very concrete paintings, like because in, uh, their totalitarian state in the fifties

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and the Soviet union, you had a firmer control over art.

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So you had basically the art that was approved is like realistic paintings of Stalin and

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shit like that.

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Yeah.

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That's what flies over there.

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And so promotion in Europe of this, like very bizarre American art is going to lead to positive

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American sentiments because they're going to see America as avant garde.

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They're going to see them on the cutting edge and it's going to be so different from what

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they're used to.

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Right.

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That's the strategy that the CIA was employing as a way of culturally piercing the Soviet

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union citizens.

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Okay.

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That is what they were doing has nothing to do with trying to warp the minds of good and

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bad.

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And so it's like if the CIA was exporting super Mario brothers to North Korea right

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now.

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Yes.

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Basically.

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Yeah.

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Essentially.

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Yeah.

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Um, that's, that's a way, you know, sometimes I wish we could go back to the cold war.

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Like when you read the stories of what the CIA did during the cold war and how they had

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so little oversight, all of their, all of their plans were, were Rube Goldberg machines.

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It's fantastic how silly they were.

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Yeah.

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Just so much, so much rooting through garbage and like, okay, what if we implant this thing

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inside a mouse?

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It's a little recording device and maybe the mouse will go into the boardroom and we'll

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get to hear all of it.

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Did they with cats too?

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Yeah, exactly.

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What are you guys?

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What is, what is this?

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Are you guys mad?

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Scientists?

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What's happening is they weren't, they weren't to some extent, but that's the intersection

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of desperation and like early technology, the military industrial complex run amok.

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Well that too, but like rudimentary technologies, I couldn't quite do what we needed to do yet.

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And then you add lack of oversight because of the desperate times like the, the real,

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um, severe fear and we could, we could argue all day about whether that was overblown.

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What?

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The fears that we had about the Soviet Union back then.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, I mean, who knows?

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It was all imaginary.

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So we still have not gotten to what I would call, I mean, you consider how many close

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calls we had with the nuclear warfare destroying the earth though.

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And it's like, some of those fears are really good, but those fears should have been more

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towards okay, wait, so we're giving nuclear weapons to a bunch of idiots and we're a bunch

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of idiots.

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And they're giving nuclear weapons to a bunch of idiots.

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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That leads to a lot of close calls.

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Yeah.

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We had a, there have been what, like five documented and declassified instances of like

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one dude coming down to, I believe so.

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Should I press the button or not?

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I'm aware of like at least a couple, but I would assume that it's more than I'm aware

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of.

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Well, the most famous one was the guy who just died in May, was it?

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Something like that.

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Yeah.

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The Russian guy who against all orders from his superiors was like, and it's probably

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a training exercise.

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Saved the world.

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Yeah.

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Saved the world by himself.

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Yeah.

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And he was then put into Siberia and never allowed to speak of it.

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Yeah.

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Well.

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Great.

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That's what happens.

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Good work guys.

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So we've not gotten to today's theme yet.

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Okay.

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We got a theme.

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We have the whole episode on this January 17th.

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Is about how football sucks.

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No.

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Okay.

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That's just how he started.

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It's about how the Red Sox suck.

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No.

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Okay.

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Although he did lose a lot of money.

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He's betting against the spread.

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Stupid.

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Bad idea.

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Bad idea.

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No.

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Don't bet baseball.

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Don't bet basketball.

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He has a very bizarre theme and it's going to lead us through most of the rest of this

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episode and boy, just strap it in.

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Oh boy.

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Howdy.

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And I'm going to talk some about that in the second hour today.

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Is the mark of the beast real?

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Yes.

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100%.

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And the answer is yes, it is real.

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Called it.

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Called it.

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I knew it.

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The answer is we're going to end up living under it and no one is going to be raptured

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out of it.

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Where does it say that in the Bible?

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Now when I say that many of my Christian listeners and viewers get extremely angry and say that

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I'm basically bad.

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They're gonna stop listening to me.

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That means you're in a cult.

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Yep.

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Uh oh.

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If God agrees with you about something in the Bible and it's not the deity of Jesus

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Christ or the Trinity, then you've got a problem with it becoming a Pharisee.

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Whoa.

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Uh.

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And the reason we have tens of thousands of different denominations in this world is because

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everyone's infighting with each other claiming they know the way and they have the answers.

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If you want to believe in a rapture, that is your business and I'm not judging you for

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it.

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That's your life.

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And I don't think you're of the devil.

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Cool.

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You have been grievously deceived.

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By the devil.

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And I can go to the Bible and show people this all day long, but I'm going to talk about

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it the next hour.

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Very excited for you to talk about that in the next hour.

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Does he not get the irony of him saying-

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It's hot.

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May I introduce you to my friend, Kettle?

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Yeah, it's insane.

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If somebody disagrees with you- About anything but the Trinity, you've got

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a problem.

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Which implies that if you have a disagreement about the Trinity or Jesus's divinity, then

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that's not a problem.

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Also, no such thing as the Trinity.

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At no point in the Bible do they ever talk about the Holy Spirit being a top three.

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Nah, ghost is in there.

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It's ridiculous.

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Come on.

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Ah, come on.

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I am a tripartite deity.

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The Holy Ghost.

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Um, I don't know.

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I don't want to unpack that.

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Also, even Jesus is God- It's all stupid.

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I don't know if you guys have heard this from me.

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I don't think the Bible's true.

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Interesting.

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I think they might have been lying.

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I think you and Alex might have a problem.

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I think they- Well, we don't disagree on the Holy Trinity.

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One of the things that I like the most about the Bible is if you look at a number of verses,

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especially, I kind of discount most of the Old Testament because it's old.

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Magic.

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And Jesus's arrival and sacrifice invalidates the old covenant.

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Pretty much.

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And creates a new covenant.

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And yet somehow we're still listening to people tell us about the Old Testament.

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Right.

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And in respect to the Jewish folk who do have a lot of the Old Testament in their holy books,

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I guess Christians do too, but it should just be historical and not because of Jesus.

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Nope.

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Literal.

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Because of Jesus.

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Literal.

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Because of Jesus.

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Nope.

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So the things that I really resonate with in terms of the Bible, if we want to talk

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about it, it is the Jesus being divine.

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That sort of idea.

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And there are many instances where he says things to the effect of, you will do what

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I do and greater, that I'm not different than you.

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That sort of thing.

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And if you look at it that way, the idea that Jesus is God, that sort of divinity within

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him is the divinity that's within all of us.

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And I can vibe on that.

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If you want a vibe, I can vibe on that.

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You can't though, because Christians do not believe that.

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No.

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Too busy talking about the wrath of the Old Testament.

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Exactly.

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And I'm very interested in this episode, he is fucking bent out of shape about the rapture.

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Because it's not... All right, continue.

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He's furious.

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And I think what has happened-

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In the pro or the con, he thinks the rapture is real, right?

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No.

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Oh, he thinks the rapture is not real.

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Well, he's against the pre-tribulation rapture.

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So-

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All right.

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All right.

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Jordan.

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Let's get into this.

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Jordan.

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I want to dive in here.

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So throughout the last maybe 10, 12 episodes, there's been a guy who keeps calling in.

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There's a guy who keeps calling into Alex's show and trying to explain the pre-tribulation

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rapture to him.

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He was one of the writers that left behind, right?

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And Alex keeps telling him, I don't want to have this debate.

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How do you keep getting through the calls?

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So he keeps getting through the screeners and Alex hears his voice and is like, I don't

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want to talk to you.

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That's fantastic.

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And he hangs up on him.

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So that's been sort of a narrative arc that's been going on.

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And I think this guy has finally gotten to Alex because he on this show spends almost

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the entire time talking about how stupid pre-trib rapture is.

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I agree.

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Sure.

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Sign me up for that as well.

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So the idea that-

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Divinity within all of us and pre-tribulation rapture is dumb.

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So Alex believes that there's a post-tribulation rapture.

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And that's because-

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That's somehow even dumber.

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Well, it's because in the Bible, or at least in Alex's interpretation of Revelation and

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I guess Daniel and maybe Ezekiel, some of the prophetic books of the Bible, he believes

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that-

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Which were all right.

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Nailed it, as we all know.

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The Antichrist comes and leads us to a real bad time.

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Yeah.

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He's a bummer.

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A real bad time.

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He's a bummer.

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Right.

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Almost as bad as Trump.

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Dude, he's the worst.

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So we go through that.

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A lot of the world dies out.

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Turns out he's a dragon.

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And then God comes back in the battle of Armageddon.

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Jesus comes back and that's when the battle happens.

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And then there's a rapture.

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Much like the Red Sox in 2003.

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Exactly.

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Alex is going to lose a lot of money on the Armageddon.

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Ooh, I'm betting on Satan on this one.

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You gotta hedge your bets.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's probably a sin.

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What are you getting?

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Minus 300 on Satan?

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What are you getting there?

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That's a good spread.

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That's not bad.

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Yeah.

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You got Jesus and the field.

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I'll take the field.

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I'm not gonna take the field.

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I'm not gonna gamble on Armageddon.

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But be that as it may, that's Alex's conception.

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And he's furious that I think a lot of his listeners are trying to convince him of the

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pre-tribulation rapture.

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Right.

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Where in the Antichrist comes, the faithful go to heaven, and they get to sit out this

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whole trouble.

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Right.

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The troubles, as it were.

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And he is mad because Alex believes that that is a globalist conspiracy.

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Yes, yes.

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I wish I wasn't joking.

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I wish I was joking.

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I wish that was just like a good bit I came up with.

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He believes, I think he spells it out in this next clip.

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I'll just play this and then we can discuss it on the other end.

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God would protect his people many times at a point, and Providence was clear, but you

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have to go through the fire first, you have to be willing to be put to the sword until

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God acts.

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And in many cases, like the Christians in the Coliseum, God doesn't take action because

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it's part of the plan that they be martyrs to spread the faith.

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But how do you get a billion Christians to lay down and to not be involved and let the

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devil take over the world?

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How do you do that?

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Well you tell them they're not going to have to face judgment.

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They're not going to have to face crises and evil on this planet, that they should just

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lay down to everything.

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Like Jesus did.

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And teach him Romans 13 out of context.

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So Alex believes that this interpretation of the pre-tribulation rapture is something

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that is being taught in the Glitterbug churches and what have you as a way of taking away

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the activism and power of the billion Christians that could be fighting the devil.

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It's the devil, and he does imply that it's the globalists who are doing this, a caller

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calls in and says that all of the world's religions, like Islam, Buddhism, Christianity,

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they all met in Seoul, Korea.

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They all met in Seoul, Korea?

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They did.

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They got to Seoul, South Korea, and they had a conversation where they decided to add let's

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have a war on world religion.

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All these religions came together and decided that, and the true comedy of it is this caller

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is listing off the religions, so he's like Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and then Alex

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Jones chimes in, Shintoism.

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No, they left Shintoism out of that one.

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They were like, nah, nah, nah.

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You guys keep going and worshiping the trees or whatever.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Shintoism.

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Come on.

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It's a very, very small population, but I love the idea.

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You guys barely sacrifice anything.

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I love the idea that Alex, he's like, got to throw in something to make myself sound

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smart.

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Shinto.

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So yeah, man, it's a conspiracy.

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Oh, man.

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That's fantastic.

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And all they have to do-

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I love how Christians seem to have never read the gospels.

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Like the-

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The synoptic gospels?

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Just the four.

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Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?

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Yeah, just the four.

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Jesus is like, hey, let's not fight assholes.

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Turn the other cheek.

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How do you get a billion Christians to just lay down?

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Yeah.

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You have them read the Bible.

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So Romans 13, I mean, if you go back in, just a refresher course, it's really actually pretty

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fucked up because it is very clearly saying, hey, you should submit to your rulers because

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they're representatives of God.

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It's one of the reasons.

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It's one of the justifications that they've used for slavery over many, many years.

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Absolutely.

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Especially in the United States.

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For the one in authority is God's servant for your good.

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If you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.

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They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

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Therefore, it's necessary to submit to authorities, not because of possible punishment, but also

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as a matter of conscience.

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Yeah.

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The next paragraph deals with, give everyone what you owe them.

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If you owe taxes, pay taxes, if revenue then revenue, if respect then respect, if honor

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then honor.

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It's almost as though it was written by somebody with like a vested interest in maintaining

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power.

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It seems crazy to think of that in the Bible.

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So then it gets into, in the next paragraph, you get into all the commandments can be summed

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up in the one command, love thy neighbor as yourself.

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Love does no harm to the neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

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Great.

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They encourage a societal unity.

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And then the last part about it, the last paragraph, starting at verse 11, and do this,

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understanding the present time.

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The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber because our salvation

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is nearer now than when we first believed, which is a truism.

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If there is an end eventually, then right now it's sooner than it was earlier.

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So there's that.

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That's great.

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Nailed it.

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The night is nearly over.

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The day is almost here.

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Let us decide the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.

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Let us behave decently as in the daytime.

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Not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension

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and jealousy.

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Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ and do not think about how to gratify

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the desires of the flesh.

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It seems almost counterintuitive that it was like, the night is almost over and the day

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is almost here, which is like, no, I think that means I should go fuck as much as I want

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because the night's about done and I got to go to work tomorrow.

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Sun's coming.

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Yeah.

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So fucking let's go.

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There's something to that.

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But then the only rebuttal I would say is maybe like, if you need practice being good,

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you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not going to come easy the first time.

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Right.

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Like the Red Sox.

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Because we love debauchery.

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So it's like, we got to practice being decent or something.

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Anyway, I don't understand exactly how that passage is weaponized outside of literally

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interpreting it as submit to authorities.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Which is there.

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I mean, it's in your holy book, so.

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Quite a bit.

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Deal with it.

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A lot.

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Deal with it.

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That's not a misrepresentation of what that means.

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Nope.

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It's actually literally what it says.

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So also, I mean, it's not a conspiracy.

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It's not a globalist conspiracy.

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Don't think so.

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So is the mark of the beast real, Jordan?

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It might be your headphones.

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Is your headphones off?

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Oh, yeah.

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There we go.

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Okay.

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Um, at this point, do you believe the mark of the beast is real?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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What do you think about this whole rapture situation?

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Is the mark of the beast real?

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Because obviously, it's here.

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Oh, okay.

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You answered the question.

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I'm going to break down the type of world we're going to live in under this Antichrist

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system.

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Everything controlled, everything distorted, a false reality forced into our consciousness

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to deceive even the elect.

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That is the modern Antichrist system.

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And I tell you, if I was ever a doubting Thomas in my life, which I never was, but you still

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academically doubt, boy, I tell you, it is bone shilling how real all this is and how

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scripture is being fulfilled.

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Very.

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It's not.

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Very bone chilling.

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So, you know, Alex is on this tip.

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He's worked up about the revelation and biblical prophecy coming true.

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Beyond that, later, he does sort of spell out what the world is going to look like.

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And of course, it's just the globalist.

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It's a globalist fantasies.

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Yeah, it's a bummer.

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And then beyond that, the other thing is, he reveals that like, I studied this and I've

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seen it in dreams.

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And again, that's not great.

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That's what I like to hear.

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Yeah.

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That's the way it's supposed to go?

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Yeah.

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So after this point.

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Okay.

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Alex is on to some other shit.

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All right.

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And now we got to talk about Caimaros.

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Thank you.

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And again, if you're an atheist, you know, my point is, look at the dehumanization.

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Look at the genetic engineering.

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Look at the elites saying they're going to merge with machines and become gods.

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Look at humans being grown inside cows and sheep to harvest their organs.

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Look at them.

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This isn't the exercise, folks.

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Can I look at them?

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This is the real world.

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And it goes on and on and on.

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But if it's admitted and just an M.I.T. magazine, nobody cares.

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Mitt.

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I just thought of something.

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I have a responsibility to go to these facilities.

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Yes.

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And to get answers and to just show people it's just like Planned Parenthood infiltration.

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They're now suing that group that infiltrated Planned Parenthood by every yardstick is committing

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crimes selling the body parts.

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They lied to the public and said they weren't.

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They don't tell women they're selling the body parts because they're not.

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Other facilities have been caught keeping babies alive for harvesting.

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No.

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My dad's a physician, retired, and I remember dentist going to get my driver's license when

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I was 15.

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We'll go back to the story in a second.

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But I do want to just take a second before we move on, because there's another minute

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of this clip.

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I do want Alex to go save those Caimaros.

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Yes, I agree.

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That would be the best true TV show ever.

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Bring a camera.

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Absolutely.

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Make another season of Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory.

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No, Caimara Hunters.

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Instead of Ghost Hunters, Caimara Hunters.

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I'd love it.

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Way in.

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Go to Bastrop.

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Oh, I'd watch that all day.

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All right, so now back to Alex Jones' dad being a fucking weirdo.

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My hardship license is I had a job at a small animal vet.

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I got my license a year early.

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And he said, son, don't sign that organ donor card.

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I would say, dad, stop trying to scare me.

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I would say, why would you say that?

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Here's why.

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And my dad was the type of guy that said, you know, HIV is a bio weapon and only really

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affects Africans.

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It's very hard for a white person to get it.

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The team, heavy metals and bad processed drugs.

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Only drug addicts that are Caucasian can get it with rundown immune systems.

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It's a bio weapon, race specific.

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And then later that all came out.

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That's how smart my dad is.

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It came out with John Rappaport.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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So this is pretty well debunked.

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No, this is when we talked about this.

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Yeah.

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And he's saying that this is he's saying that, oh boy, this is from his dentist father.

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Yeah.

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No wonder he's fucked up.

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His dad told him that HIV is only affected black people.

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Yeah.

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There's race specific bio weapons.

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Oh boy.

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Guess what, uh, the reason that, uh, like drug users get it more is because of the application,

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the ways people use drugs.

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Yes.

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Could it have something to do with that?

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Yes.

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Could it have something to do with sharing needles?

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Yes.

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Oh man.

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All of the explanations that he's trying to come up with are so much more complicated

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than the realities.

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It's a blood borne disease and if you share blood with somebody, you're going to get the

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disease.

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You can.

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Yeah.

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But be that as it may.

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Yeah.

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I mean, obviously not.

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That's crazy.

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That's crazy.

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But I think the response to Alex is like, Hey, why shouldn't I sign my organ donor card

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is even wilder.

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I think that makes perfect sense.

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Yeah.

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It's like, uh, hold on.

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What if we look at all of this as just Alex Jones's dad was fucking with his son.

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I don't think he was fucking with him.

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I think he's nuts.

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You think he's nuts?

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Uh huh.

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But where does he get that great toothpaste from?

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Uh, uh, Tom's with Maine.

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He makes it?

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That's where he gets it from.

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Oh, okay.

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So this clip's not done.

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The quote conspiracy terrorists because nobody in the house thought that, you know, it was

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just, he knew what he was talking about.

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Sure.

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And you know, he did the dental work on the deputy director of the CIA and stuff like

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that.

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So, you know, people listen to him.

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Did they?

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That's Alex Jones is, he's a CIA dentist narrative.

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Yeah.

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He did dental work.

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Yeah.

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He did dental work for the deputy director.

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Great.

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But I just took it like it was just dad sitting there at the dinner table talking, but when

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he said, don't do that, a lot of times they won't give you treatment and will actually

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kill you at the hospital for your organs.

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And I said, what is your proof?

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And he said, I'm just, I'm not going to tell you.

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So now we know where Alex gets that.

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So we figured out where Alex disbelieves proof.

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My dad didn't think it was important to prove the claims that he's making that are wild.

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I guess I could do that too.

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Hey, good to see.

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Good to see a clear a to a path of dad.

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You just gave me a job.

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Yeah.

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So, um, I mean, people who have, um, much greater understandings of science can debunk

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all this for you.

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If you want to go look into it, just don't go to John Rappaport site.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Don't do that.

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That'll lead you down the wrong path or, or really just think for two seconds that helps.

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And then you'd be like, no, that's dumb.

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Also, this chimera shit is wild because it is just happened.

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Like the, the article just came out at MIT, uh, the, uh, human, uh, uh, human chimeras

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are, uh, gestating on animal farms, what have you, which we've gone over and discuss.

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And it doesn't say what Alex is saying, sensational headline to get attention and what have you.

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Um, now he's going to ramble about it for a little bit here and it goes to some crazy

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places.

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Excellent.

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It's just something like this.

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Human animal chimeras are gestating on research farms and I've got hundreds of articles here.

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I could spend all day on these.

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It's not like I keep going back to this four or five times this last week because I don't

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have material.

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Is it, is it, is it,

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this is a big whitewash article where it calls it tissue.

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No, they're growing embryonic babies that they create embryos and test tubes and then

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they implant them in the cows and in the sheep and in the pigs because they can't get women

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to do it.

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And Lord knows they've done it with women too.

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That's the word.

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But they want them in cows cause they can grow them up bigger and get larger organs.

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So now let's pause right there and discuss the science of this.

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I think Alex, Alex thinks that the only reason our organs aren't bigger is because we don't

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have enough room.

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Yes, we're like goldfish.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I can't do that.

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I can't deal with that.

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They want to put human organs into cows because cows have more space to make bigger or hold

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them up bigger.

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If your liver is failing, you want a huge, huge liver.

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Maybe that was a design fall with God, with God's plan in the first place.

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If he knew we were going to drink so much, he would have given us bigger livers in Ezekiel.

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Now that's your pre-trip rapture right there.

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So I mean, I think that there's some comedy and some value in that being said right after

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the HIV is a race specific bio.

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They want to use these human animal chimeras in cow bellies cause there's more room to

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make a bigger organs.

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That begs the question though, why wouldn't you go with elephants?

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Exactly.

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Thank you.

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Doesn't that make more sense Alex?

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Why don't you go with a sperm whale?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Oh man.

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And they're still mammals.

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We could get a shit ton of organs out of them.

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You could get a liver the size of your fucking whole body.

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And that is how you drink.

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Exactly.

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I love how he does that.

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He always does the, he obviously reveals why he's doing something by saying he's not doing

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it.

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Listen, and I'm not bragging.

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Okay.

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You're bragging.

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Right.

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You don't have any material.

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Okay.

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You don't have any material.

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That's why you just keep saying the exact same thing over and over again.

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Yeah.

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I have a hundred articles, but I only talk about this one ever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What a dick.

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Thirty years ago, 20 years ago, I was reporting on this out of light papers and it was 10

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years old then.

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That's when they admitted it and I know I keep it laboring, but this is the point I'm

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getting out of the story.

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I've told probably 50 times of about 14 years ago, I went in to pick up a pizza at a pizza

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place and this guy goes, I see a listener of you until you lied and said, there's sheep

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and goats that are part spider and that they create body armor in their milk.

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I said, okay, well believe whatever you want, sir.

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And he popped me in my back and said, no, you're a liar.

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Okay.

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And I turned around and I said, so you went to college, didn't you?

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So here I did.

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Which is why I know that.

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When'd you go?

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I went to UT of the seventies.

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I took biology.

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They don't have stuff like that.

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I just said, you better get out of my face.

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Yes, that's a good idea.

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And that's what I deal with folks.

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I'm covering stuff that's are at least 25 years old.

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They've been in tens of thousands of publications.

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They'd been in hundreds of publications at that time.

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I had the CEO on my show running a department of defense program with the goats.

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Now first of all, spider goats are real, but also I do love just the way he says that sentence.

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The I had the CEO who's running a department with the goats, the goats at computers, the

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goats are the employees running the department of defense or whatever.

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And that's where Scott Adams got his ideas from.

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It's goat Bert.

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Oh, goat Bert.

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One of the best characters.

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How do the spider leadership feel about the spider goats is another question.

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I think it's just another population for their infantry.

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Is it a joint venture between the goat leadership and the spider leadership to kind of cross

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breed?

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I have bad news for you.

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The goat leadership is not existent.

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Disarray.

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Yeah.

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It's like, um, just hordes back in the day, you know, like disinterested tribal.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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I got you can't get together.

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The goats are.

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Yeah, but if they get a goat, Gus con together.

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All right.

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All right.

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I'm going to get out of here.

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I think I did all I got to do.

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Bye.

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I think I solved my life problem.

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Uh, anyway, the month before that guy said I was a liar, but see, that's what I can't

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deal with.

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The emergency centers, establishment act, the civilian inmate labor camp program, the,

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all of this is admitted FEMA camps are admitted.

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It's all admitted in the army times.

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They're preparing them for political dissenters, the army times, but they just sit up there

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and say, crazy people think this is all happening.

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Folks like you.

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Well, if you, if you would like to recall that episode where we did the, uh, the, the,

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uh, the speed, the lightning round, uh, and discussed all of those FEMA fears, uh, Alex

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is just making stuff up.

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Very much.

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So, uh, except for the civilian, uh, labor camp thing.

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That one we did talk about that one was scary.

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Yeah, that was possibly not good.

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But again, when we deal with stuff like that, you have to deal with the fact that we have

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a private prison industry, uh, in our country that is enslaving people.

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Right.

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So like, if you, if you, if you want to talk about both, I support it.

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If you want to talk about one, not the other, uh, talk about the private prisons.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, it seems more big deal now, but wait, Dan, privatizing things always makes it better.

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Absolutely.

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Oversight.

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Oh, terrible.

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No regulations.

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Jordan.

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What they should do is give those civilian inmates guns totally that way they'd really

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get the job done.

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Well, let's see the bad.

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There's bad civilian inmates, but you got civilian inmates in order to, uh, I don't

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know what we're talking about anymore.

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So Jordan, we're going to get back to the devil in a little bit.

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Um, there's some more thoughts.

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Rest in peace.

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Uh, Malcolm young.

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There's some more thoughts about the devil and about the rapture.

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Yeah.

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But this next clip, this is a miked down clip.

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Okay.

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Alex Jones make like this next clip is basically like I have been looking for this clip for

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a year.

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So you've fallen in love?

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No, I found the woman that you want to marry.

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No, no.

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I've needed something like this to come out of Alex's mouth and he delivered at this clip

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is so fucking damning.

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Okay.

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In hindsight, knowing what we know now about the Russian, uh, influence campaigns that

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were running from the summer of, uh, 2015 and now we are in January of 2016, six months

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later, listen to this.

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And retail sales and everything else are in the toilet.

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And Obama gets up on TV and says, everything's fine.

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Everything's wonderful.

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Everything's not fine.

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Everything's not wonderful.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I've been on here 21 years and it always in the past when audience

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level went up, profits went up to fund the operation.

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Our audience has basically doubled the last six months, fastest growth rate ever.

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We got so many listeners.

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It makes my head spin and profits are flat to be able to even fund the operation.

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That's why we know this is serious.

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I'm going to cover it more on the next hour.

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It's not doom and gloom.

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It's facts.

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We're going to get into the latest numbers.

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Royal bank of Scotland saying sell everything, but please purchase high quality products

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and info war store.com to help fund this operation during these dark times.

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Our voices needed more than ever.

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Oh shit.

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Oh shit.

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You fucking idiot.

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First of all, nice ad pivot.

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I always enjoyed that.

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That was a good one.

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That was a good one.

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But dude, he just revealed that our audience numbers have gone up.

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So high.

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They've doubled, but nobody has bought anything.

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I guess that must mean the economy's bad.

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That must mean that Obama is lying about all these statistics that people are putting out

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about the rising economy.

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It's definitely not that bots are listening to the show now.

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And there's not a, well, I mean, not even listening, artificial inflation of traffic

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numbers.

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There's not a chance in my mind that on some subconscious level by now in 2017, Alex knows

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God damn well that's what happened.

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Really?

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He has to.

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It kind of sounds like he doesn't.

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I think that's why he's fighting so hard now trying to make the Russian stuff seem like

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nonsense because he knows I have been compromised.

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I've been hoodwinked.

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Right.

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And that clip right there is evidence that in the beginning of 2016 he didn't know, but

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it's obvious.

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Right.

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It's like I don't know how to come up with a good analogy about this, but it's like it's

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like Alex talking to his hypothetical friend who got tricked by the Nigerian scam.

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Right.

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Or whatever.

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And the guy's like, I'm going to make a lot of money.

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Like I just got to go meet this Nigerian prince.

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Right.

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Or an Alex is hearing him.

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He's like, there's nothing there.

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Alex is talking and saying like, are we have gotten twice the listeners in the last six

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months as we had before, but no one's buying anything.

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We can hear that and we're like, oh dude, oh, oh, we know, we literally know exactly

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what happened.

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Yeah.

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And that, that to me, I mean, that's, that's game over.

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That's pretty much, that's game over on his, first of all, his audience size and then secondarily

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that he was not being specifically targeted by these Russian troll farms and bot farms.

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Yeah.

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So congratulations, Alex, you've been compromised by Russia in so many ways and you've revealed

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it all on your own show and all we had to do to figure it out was pay attention to your

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dumb ass.

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Wow.

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Congratulations.

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That is, that is so fucking obvious now.

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Let's get Buzzfeed to report on this baby.

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He had no fucking clue.

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What an idiot.

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You'd have to be like, if we saw a doubling of our numbers, that's actually kind of reasonable

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considering how low our numbers are.

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But even then, if we saw that, we'd be like, what the fuck is going on here?

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Some weird's happening here.

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There's a certain part of us that is, well, and that's why it's so easy to hoodwink him

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like that.

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Cause he expects that to happen.

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He's so narcissistic and we hate ourselves.

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Oh, of course, of course my listeners double because I'm right.

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And if our listeners double, we'd be like, who's fucking with us?

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Nobody's listened to this goddamn show.

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How dare you?

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Right, right.

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How dare you pay attention to us?

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His version of it is finally people are waking up and thank God I've been doing this work

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all this time.

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It's paying off now.

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The chicken's coming home to roost and what have you.

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And it's just robots.

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Wow.

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What a fucking idiot.

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I love it.

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When I heard that clip, I was like, oh, nailed it.

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Cause every other time it's been very nonspecific and he's just said that the numbers have gone

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up in that time.

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But the fact that he's, the numbers have gone up, sales are flat.

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Exponentially the numbers have gone up.

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Sales have stayed exactly the same.

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He's right.

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He's right to see those two numbers and think something's up.

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He just thinks the wrong thing is up.

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And now we know he knows it.

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Now we know he knows exactly what happened.

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He has to.

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He has to.

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Yeah.

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Has he, and he hasn't revealed that.

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I don't think so.

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No.

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No.

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It's interesting.

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How would, how do you think his listeners would respond if they knew exactly what was

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going on there?

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If they, so if you're an Alex Jones listener and you just learn that a hostile foreign

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power has, has artificially inflated the influence of an Alex Jones or of these different right

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wing things, exactly how would you take that?

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Well, would you take it as the Russians are right to do that?

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Yes.

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Because Alex has the built in narrative that Russia are the good guys and what have you,

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they would probably look at it as like, they were just desperately trying to help the

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Patriots and that's the way they thought it was best to do it.

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Raise the profile of the one guy telling the truth in this country and they could save

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us through working with Russia and getting Donald Trump elected.

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That's probably what they would say.

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And the fact that Alex, like at this point in the beginning of 2016 is clearly oblivious.

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Because I don't think, I can kind of tell when he's, he's such a bad liar.

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There's indications that kind of shine through.

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And that seems sincere.

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No, that seemed very sincere.

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He seems confused.

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He seems, he's like, wait, why are all these people listening and not also buying stuff?

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Right.

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And that might actually be why we start to see such a hard, desperate pivot towards sales.

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Yeah.

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Well, you start to see them really ramp up the commercials and stuff like that.

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Because he thinks more people are listening.

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So I just got to sell harder to get more money out of them.

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Yep.

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There's this untapped area of our listeners that if I could just get them, then we'd be

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fucking rolling in it.

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Not realizing those people are not buying anything from you.

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You do like, I've said this before, but you really have to give it up to the Russians

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because that was a brilliant strategy.

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I would, I would like to say that you don't have to give it up to them, but no, I mean,

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you don't have to give it, give it up to the, I mean like one of the main reasons that it

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worked so effectively is because nobody saw it coming.

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Nobody saw this massive flaw in our media landscape.

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I think a lot of people did, I think some people did.

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Yeah.

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But did we do it?

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No.

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Has America done it?

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I feel like I think, I think this is one thing where America doesn't have the same kind of

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troll farms.

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No, I don't know.

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I have no idea.

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But what I would say is, yeah, I don't think even they necessarily thought it would work

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work.

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No, I don't think so.

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I think it's a, I think it was a very, very good strategy.

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And it was the, like, if you are, if you're fighting a war on a battlefield that you can't

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win on, choose a different battlefield.

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Like that's all that they did.

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They know they can't do any number of propaganda things the same way that we can.

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They know they can't fight us physically.

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They know they can't do any of this.

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So they just chose the one spot where they were like, here's a flaw in this system.

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We can dance on this court.

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And that's what, and we're going to hammer it as hard as we can.

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Yeah.

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And it, I mean.

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And it was brilliant.

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For the most part.

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It worked.

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And Alex is a useful idiot.

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Congratulations, Alex.

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Nicely done.

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Now let's get back to the devil.

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Yay.

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But here's the bottom line.

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There is an attack on stone cold said so the devil's real or not.

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I want to end debate.

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The political global system of eugenics comes to kill, steal, and destroy and behaves like

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the mythical devil.

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The archetype is real.

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Joseph Campbell, the whole nine yards for just naming things.

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There you go.

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There's a spiritual force.

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I've experienced Providence.

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I've experienced many things that are private.

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I can tell you it's real.

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I've interviewed many people I respect like Colonel Craig Roberts, who died for 10 minutes

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on the operating table, came back.

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No, he didn't.

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There are cultures that don't even have a Christian Pantheon or cosmology.

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They've also been checked out by government psychiatrists and others who became Christian

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and they have found that the devil phenomenon, the golden gates, McDonald's, all of it, the

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judgment, all of it is real.

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What people say?

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Well, that's an oxymoron.

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You said the dead in Christ are raised after they die interdimensionally.

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It doesn't matter.

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They're already in the future at that point.

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See, it's more sophisticated once you understand quantum mechanics.

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Hold on.

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You think a thousand years, 500 years, 20 years till the post tribulation rapture.

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Not the pre.

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And then people are having the death experience now.

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They're going in dimensionally to the future.

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If you study the mathematics, it's incredible.

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And then by the way, no one's ever postulated that.

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I just understand it.

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And people can say, oh, that's crazy.

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No, no, no.

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Once you figure all this out, the sacred geometry, people are like, that's of the devil.

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No, it's not.

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It says the proof of God's design, the proof that God's real is look in the heavens.

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Look at God's creation.

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Look at what we can do, what we believe, what we think about, we can then later build.

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That's creator level stuff.

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We're made in the image of God, little g.

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Think about how incredible that is.

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It's very incredible.

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And then think about the evidence in matter, but also living and nonliving.

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Again, how we experience what our ancestors experienced through instincts, through crystallized

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compacted memories, race memory.

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It's not the same thing.

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Then we live on through our children genetically as well.

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And then what we build, what we teach, what we write, what we do lives on.

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There's life shooting out at every angle.

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By the way, that's very obtuse.

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By the way, Infowars is doing well.

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God damn it.

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We're not in financial trouble like so much of other talk radio and other media period.

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Media period is oversaturated, it's collapsing, it's in trouble.

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It's stuffed shirt, it's scripted teleprompter reading, it's dying.

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Fair point.

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We have been trying to expand in the face of the globalist because everything we do

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is so successful.

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I have a responsibility, I realize, I realized this about nine years ago, to really try to

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get as big as possible.

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And we've been doing it.

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It's having a huge effect.

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What were you trying to do before that?

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We were victims of our own success because the satellites, the fees, the regulations,

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the closed captioning, the 15 to 16 million people that tune in and watch our free stream

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every day.

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They're ruining us.

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Is killing us.

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And so I really want to be able to continue on, I want to be able to expand, but just

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to continue on, I need folks to go to Infowarsstore.com and I'm doing this because I told CJ, I said

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make me plug twice an hour, not one anemic plug at the end of the hour.

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I mean, really I should be plugging every section like other hosts do, that's how you

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do the bills.

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Plus, these products really do sell themselves once you use them.

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I barely have to sell them.

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I wanted to keep that part at the end there in because it is him drinking the Kool-Aid

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about these new listeners and what have you and wrestling with like, why aren't we making

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$50 million?

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What the fuck is going on?

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It, man, he is out there.

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Okay.

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He is out there.

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So I've never heard, sacred geometry, I've never heard before that once you understand

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quantum mechanics, you'll realize that when people die for 10 minutes, they go to the

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future.

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They've also seen the golden gates and the judgment is real, but then they come back.

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It's totally real.

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It's scientifically and mathematically proven that the post death judgment that you go through

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is real.

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It's not like that movie Defending Your Life featuring Albert Brooks and Meryl Streep.

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Or it's like the movie Flatliners.

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Nope.

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Defending Your Life.

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It's a much better movie.

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Fair.

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Yeah, that's wild.

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I'm talking about the original Flatliners, of course.

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Oh, I only like the remake.

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I am flabbergasted by that clip.

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Love it.

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I fucking love it.

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Anytime somebody like him says quantum mechanics, you can already tune out because you're like

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you, nope, nope, you got nothing there.

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Don't even say the word quantum because you're just going to hurt yourself with it.

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Here's where it gets like fucking awesome for me is like, okay, he starts that clip

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by saying the debate about the devil is over.

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It's over.

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It's over.

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As far as I'm concerned, that debate is done.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So then all that stuff about, you know, Joseph Campbell, all these cultures.

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Joseph Campbell and the whole nine yards.

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Let's not forget his band name.

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Not the whole ten yards.

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These cultures, they've shown that like the judgment is real and all that.

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And science has shown that when you die, your consciousness goes forward to the post tribulation

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rapture.

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Yeah.

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Then he gets on to sacred geometry.

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They say that to the devil.

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No, it's not.

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It's totally real.

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You know, it's real because when God said, what's the proof of seeing me?

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He said, look around.

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I only, so sacred geometry is obvious.

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I only date girls who have tattoos of the Fibonacci spiral.

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And then of course it comes back to ads.

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It's just like, what is going on?

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He's just losing it.

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There's just this like, I think that he's incredibly like at this point he's so confused.

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What do you say to somebody saying stuff like that?

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Well, I don't even mean about that.

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That part is like, you shouldn't be saying this on air.

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You shouldn't be saying this period.

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No, I dig it.

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I read up on stuff like that.

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I read up on sacred geometry.

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On how quantum mechanics proves that when you die, your brain goes to the future and

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comes back.

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I'm sure I've read blogs about it and stuff like that.

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Possible.

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I enjoy reading like pseudo science and like spiritualism and stuff like that.

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I like reading that stuff.

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I don't believe it necessarily, but I feel so weird about it that I would never tell

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you what I know.

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I would never sit here and be like, oh yeah, but oh, and like list off specifics.

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Oh, that's not good.

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Alex is doing that, but he also believes it.

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He needs to be less specific in the same way that that Milgram experiment.

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If he hadn't have said Milgram or talked about the electric shocks or whatever, then he could

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be vague enough that like, I can't disprove that.

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That I can disprove.

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He's too specific here.

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This is what crazy people believe.

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Alex is a crazy person.

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This isn't religion.

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Former department of defense psychiatrists who have become Christians have officially

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proven that the golden gates are real.

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I did not know that.

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I did not know that.

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Because he's a state psychiatrist.

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Right.

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That's the only person I know of with that qualification.

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Is he a Christian?

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I would assume.

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Nah, maybe.

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I don't know.

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I always guess I assumed he's Jewish, but I don't know.

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Just because of the name.

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Okay.

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So does he think that the hurricane he lived through happened because-

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I think I might have thought he was Jewish because he lives in Florida.

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There might be a bias on my part and I apologize for it.

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Could be.

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Could be.

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I don't know.

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I don't know anything about his life.

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Except he lives in Florida and he's big on manners.

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So let's get to this next clip.

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In this one, Alex is talking about how the Chinese have decided that they're going to

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start a new program where they have-

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They're going to deport people to the golden gates.

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No, no, not quite.

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They have a Facebook kind of thing, but where you can leave reviews of people and you'll

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get a social credit score.

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This is an idea that they were throwing around.

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I don't think they've implemented it because it got roundly attacked by everybody.

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Right.

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It turned into a great Black Mirror episode.

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Basically, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Within the next two years, we're going to implement it.

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It's going to be law.

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It started now, 2016, that every political statement you make, everything you buy, everything

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you do will be fed through our database, the equivalent of their NSA-

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Impossible.

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And will be put into a social media score.

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In fact, you can pull that up.

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China announces new social credit score, and then if you're not a good globalist, you can't

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buy or sell.

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Before he gets to-

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If you're not a good globalist, you can't buy or sell.

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The Mark of the Beast kind of thing.

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Before he gets into talking about how everyone's going to do this and they're going to think

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it's cool, this is China.

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They had a one child policy for a really long time.

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Yeah.

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And it worked perfectly.

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Right.

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As everybody knows.

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If you want to talk about oppressiveness, it's China.

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This is not surprising, these ideas to be coming out of a pretty authoritarian state.

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The rest of the world is not going to be into it, and it turns out China wasn't.

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No.

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Good episode of Black Mirror.

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Good episode.

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If you do, you get lower prices.

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Now it's peer pressure.

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Now if your friends aren't good communists, you don't get a good social score.

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So now you shun them to ghettos.

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There's BBC, China's social credit, Beijing sets up huge system, and the BBC announces

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it like it's a good idea.

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It's not total tyranny.

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It only sets him because this might happen to white people.

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What he's describing is the current credit system we have now, and it's only incredibly

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offensive to black people and minorities and the like, whereas this, he's like, this could

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even hurt white people.

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Are you guys crazy?

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There is a thread of that.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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What's going on?

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That he's describing the system that we have now, but it only hurts minorities.

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Yeah.

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There's something to that.

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Let's get to the end of this clip because it takes a twist that you're not going to

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expect.

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Okay.

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What's described in Revelations.

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So is the mark of the beast real?

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Yes.

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Oh, it's been used as a blueprint, whether or not the cosmology itself is true.

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And I'm a Christian, but I don't want to be associated with the establishment Pharisee

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state run churches that are five Oh one C three.

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Now even CNN got it right to their credit.

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China's chilling plan to use social credit ratings, to keep score on its citizens CNN

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so weird, man, they do so much bad.

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And then sometimes they tell the truth in amazing ways, or I'll tell you why it's like

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RT.

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We'll talk about the bad stuff America does, but not bad stuff Russia does CNN is run by

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the CIA.

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So now he also knows that yeah, he is aware of that.

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He knows that RT is run by the FSB.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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What an idiot.

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I I, I, Oh boy.

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Oh boy.

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First of all, CNN is not run by the CIA, but secondarily, and if it was run by the CIA,

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they should sell it.

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They're not good at running it.

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Yeah.

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Or they do a much different job with the content that they, they put up.

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Yeah.

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And that indicates a clear awareness that Alex knows that RT is run by Russian government

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and is a Russian state outlet for propaganda.

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And he, as we covered in our last episode that we put out on the podcast feed loves

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RT has been on a whole bunch of times saying very anti-American stuff.

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Yeah.

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What does that say?

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Alex?

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What does that say?

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What does that say?

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You dumb ass, what a dumb, dumb prick.

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He's like, he's like the avatar of cognitive dissonance.

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Like he's some sort of being come to us from the cognitive dissonance planet.

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And he's teaching us what true, in the same way that Jon Hamm is an alien who's taught

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us what true handsomeness really is.

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So is Alex teaching us what true cognitive dissonance can do to a person.

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Yeah.

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But it just baffles me the way that he reveals these things.

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Like because he can't not, he thinks it all makes sense.

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He doesn't though.

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He thinks it's all perfectly reasonable.

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And so why wouldn't he tell it to you?

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That's that mild schizophrenia shit.

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Yeah.

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That is that like the ordered worldview that he has is so warped.

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No, he thinks that everything he's saying is dead on, despite the fact that it contradicts

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itself at every turn.

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Yeah.

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And even then, and see, and this is the other stuff where we're talking about him being

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a performance artist and the like, but this shit is shit he actually believes.

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Yes.

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The real shit he believes.

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Sacred geometry, the fact that there's post tribulation rapture that your brain goes to

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when you die, if you die before the tribulation and what have you.

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Yeah.

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I mean, this is not like, this isn't, I mean, in the strictest sense, this isn't propaganda.

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No, this is wackadoo shit.

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This is a lunatic is what it is.

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This is the Alex Jones everybody signed up for.

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Right.

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This is what we've all thought Alex Jones was for the longest time.

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It's fucked up that he can have that half of his audience that aren't robots, that listen

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to this and they're like, this guy seems like he gets it.

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Yeah.

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Or they're like, this is fun.

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That's true.

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Actually, I've been working on a theory that, and I'll lay this out in a future thing, that

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I don't believe that you can find Alex Jones funny unless you subconsciously agree with

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him.

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Okay.

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I don't believe, or you're just not paying attention.

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That's possible too.

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Those are the only possibilities.

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Because I've been getting some responses from people.

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Former AJs?

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No, people who are like, I listen to him because they think he's fucking hilarious, man.

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You just can't be paying attention then.

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Or you agree with him and you don't want to admit you agree with him because then you're

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going to have to deal with like, oh really?

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You want to defend this?

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Everyone knows that's too hard.

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You don't want to fucking do that.

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I think it's hilarious when Alex Jones inflames anti-Semitism and anti-everybody but white

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people beliefs.

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I think it's hilarious.

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Although at the same time, we do laugh a shit ton about it.

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So there is that.

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But it's in a different, we laugh a different laugh than those people.

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Yeah.

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One filled with hate and rage.

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Right.

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And revelation of what he's actually talking about.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, we're back to the rapture being a conspiracy in this next clip.

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Enjoy.

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I'm not up here judging anybody that's in the system.

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I'm in it too.

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But I'm in it to try to educate and try to inform people.

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But it's nowhere.

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You can read John the Revelator on the Isle of Patmos, the beast will wage war against

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the saints and will overcome them.

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There'll be this great falling away before, it'll be the greatest coming to Christ and

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to God ever.

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As the whole world turns against the beast more and more, and then he starts wiping out

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billions of people, a third of the world's population, half the earth's surface burned.

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What giant columns of flame, mountains, huge metal insects dropping bombs.

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I mean, it's all in there.

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Is it?

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Huge wars.

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It's aliens, it is.

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Russia and the Middle East, huge confrontations.

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It's all being lined up.

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You can't deny it.

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Yeah, the Soviet Union did.

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That's what they called themselves.

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In biblical times?

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In biblical times.

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Then Christ comes back at the Battle of Armageddon.

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And then the dead in Christ are raised.

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I mean, a five year old could read that, but you're so deceived.

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Yes, that's true.

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Because in the last hundred plus years, the World Council and National Council of Churches

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has globalized the Christian faith and come in and taught new dogmas that were not known

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in Christianity ever.

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In the 40s, German Christians didn't resist Hitler and thought it was the end of the world.

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They thought he was the Antichrist.

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In the 2017s, American Christians didn't resist Hitler.

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Christians get so mad at me, I'm not saying your preacher's wrong if he teaches pre-tribulation

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rapture.

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I'm not saying he's a false teacher.

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I'm sure he knows more Bible verses than I do.

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All I know is the whole Bible, Christians have to stand up.

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The Israelites had to stand up against evil and do the right thing on threat of death

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and many times get killed.

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Why now do we get teleported up?

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Fair enough.

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I guess.

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I mean, again, if you create imaginary arguments to argue against, your argument is probably

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right.

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It's too weird for us to sit here and have him be like the post versus pre-tribulation

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rapture.

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We're just like, I don't care.

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Yeah.

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What are we doing to unpack this and why?

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Why are we doing this?

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I don't think we're unpacking it.

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I think what we're doing is, it's important that our audience knows that he spends a lot

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of time on stuff like this because it is like, there is way too much of a focus in the mainstream,

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I believe.

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The coverage of Alex Jones on, I mean, there are important issues.

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His hucksterism, his desperate salesmanship and what have you, his support of Trump, those

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sorts of things are important facets to him, but his religion, which is not Christianity.

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It's bananas.

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It's very important to the big picture of who he is as a broadcaster and as a propagandist.

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So weird that he does that on the show.

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It's so weird.

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Sunday show, man.

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So weird.

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It's the Sunday show.

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So weird.

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It's not that we're like, Alex believes in the post-trib, let's just fucking argue for

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the pre-trib for fun.

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It's more just like, let's let people hear this because it's fucking wild.

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So now I do want you to argue for the pre-trib for fun.

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All right.

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Of course it happens before.

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That was a lot of fun.

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Moving on.

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Why would God put the faithful through that?

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That's horrifying.

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That's a very, that's a very dickish God.

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That'd be like, Hey, dude, well, why would God put anybody through anything to make them

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stronger?

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I don't know.

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Anyway, we have one more clip here.

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Alex is fucking like in this clip, I think we get the revelation that I got it.

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Okay.

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So don't worry that this whole day's show, you're going to give me that and not like

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get goat.

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This con come on.

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This card was okay.

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So I think that at the beginning of this clip, we see where all of this comes from this day

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of just rambling about the, the revelation and tribulation and what have you.

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I think it's because someone keeps bothering him.

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And then he rambles on for a while about hypocrites or something.

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Of course.

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And I'm not on some high horse, but if I get lectured one more time by a Pharisee about

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me getting mad sometimes and using mild French, which I try not to do, but I'm so real, I

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do it occasionally.

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I'm going to throw up, get the beam out of your eye before you talk about the stick in

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my eye.

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I'm ready to die for the unborn.

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I'm ready to stand up against the globalist.

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I'm nothing special, but I don't like evil.

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I know my heart's right.

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Where's yours?

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Cause I don't see the manifestation of resistance against tyranny.

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I see people in a coma, the donor cards who want to go to church.

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I don't know where they're all upright and good.

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And at night we know what you're doing.

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I almost want to go do bad stuff.

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So I'm not with you all the fakes.

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I'm wracked by conscience.

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I'm wracked by trying to be the best person I can be even having to study the globalist

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and war game.

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They're evil.

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I have to get in their mindset and I feel sinful.

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Even studying the enemy, the knowledge of good and evil permeates all.

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I just know that great evil is upon us and it's only going to intensify for the decades

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coming forward.

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It may be 50 years, a hundred years out.

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My gut tells me it's more like 10 years.

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I mean, stuff is moving quick folks and it's scary, but like Nineveh, we could get a reprieve.

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God was going to judge Nineveh, but because Jonah didn't want to go, Jonah didn't want

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to be a prophet.

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Jonah didn't want to go out and tell the truth.

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Jonah didn't want to get in people's faces, but because Jonah did it, the people listened.

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They got a hundred year reprieve.

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Seems very arbitrary.

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He knows an earthquake to destroy that civilization and archaeology shows it happened.

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Archaeology shows it happened.

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Archaeology does not prove that Jonah was in a whale.

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Archaeology proved that God gave them a hundred year rest.

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What's this in the fossil record?

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Hold on a second.

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There's a note here.

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Call Larry Nichols?

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What the fuck?

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The reason that this is important, I left this in because it is kind of rambly and nonsensical,

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but this is the beginning of a narrative that will become very important in his support

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of Trump.

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You could argue that this is a soft launch in some ways.

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This idea of a reprieve, like Nineveh, he uses those specific languages about Trump,

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that Trump is that reprieve.

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That is God giving us a chance to get out from under these globalists.

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He further makes it more robust in his metaphor that what Trump is allowing us to do is get

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our head above water and take a breath before we have to go and fight this shark, I guess.

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I'm not entirely sure where it works in the metaphor, but this is the first time that

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he has used that metaphor in the context of the globalists and what we're doing moving

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forward.

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He will co-opt it from this religious perspective onto Trump.

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Turn it into a Trump thing.

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Wow.

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Mm hmm.

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People's gods sure are weird.

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If they appreciate a lot of weird shit to do, if they appreciate this, that is, that's

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a God who, that's a God who's not paying attention.

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Yeah, that's a God who's checked out.

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That's a God who should become a policy wonk.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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That's a God who is not buying caveman.

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That's where all the ad, that's where the traffic's coming from.

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It doesn't have any dollars.

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Ah, I got you.

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He wants to listen.

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God's, God's got his own holy bot farm.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to wrap this up.

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Uh, cause that's the end of this.

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Okay.

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Uh, but it's thrilling that we can get that, uh, uh, admission from Alex that his traffic

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has gone up and no extra money bots.

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He knows that RT is a propaganda outlet and he spends an entire day on his show bickering

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about the revelation and various forms of the rapture and doing that whole game where

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he's like, Hey, if you believe in a pre tribulation, your preacher's not full of shit, but also

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it's a globalist plot.

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Try to pacify Christmas.

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What are you talking about?

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UNESCO was involved.

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I'm not saying he's a bad guy.

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He's just part of the globalist conspiracy to destroy all life on this planet.

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At one point he says, they sound a lot like collaborators to me doing pick a side with

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your bizarre nonsense.

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God, I want to, I see now I want him to quit.

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Just quit broadcasting Alex.

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Write your own holy book.

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You'll get a look.

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If fucking Joseph Smith can get a worldwide religion.

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Fuck yeah.

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You know, Jonesianism shit, tons of people would do that shit.

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Yeah.

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I thought, I just don't think he could write a coherent thread.

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I think he'd need a ghost writer.

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He needs a ghost writer.

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Yeah.

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Alex.

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We will.

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And if you'd like to get us, you can reach us at our website, knowledgefight.com.

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Send us an email.

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knowledgefightatgmail.com.

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Write your holy book, Alex.

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You could, uh, you could reach out to us on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight.

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Alex.

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We'll write that holy book for you.

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Or we're on Facebook.

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As I said, there's a lot of, uh, uh, writing content, also your blog every Thursday.

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And every day there will be a little pieces of what the fuck Alex Jones is talking about

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that day.

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If you can help boost them out there, it would help a great deal.

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And I appreciate it.

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And then you could also go to iTunes.

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It's true.

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That's where our podcast is.

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You could subscribe to it.

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You could leave a review.

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You could give us some stars, preferably five.

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Oh shit.

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What?

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I just had a thought.

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What thought?

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We know about one thing that Alex Jones believes in, uh, or Alex Jones, his dad believes in

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right.

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HIV denial, HIV denialism.

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One other guy believes in that stuff.

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Oh shit.

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He's a guy who doesn't hang up pictures.

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No guy.

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What fucking person would believe in do both of those things?

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I see no reason to not believe that John Rappaport is Alex Jones, his dad.

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Oh shit.

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Now think about this.

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Oh shit.

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The teeth come into play.

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No, he's a dentist.

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All right.

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He's a dentist, but he's fits of depression.

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He's knocked out all of his teeth and that's why he needs dentures.

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No.

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Okay.

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I'm going to go even further.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Alex's dad died.

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Oh no.

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Right.

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You needed a replacement daddy.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Alex's dad wants to live forever.

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Oh, how do you live forever?

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You download your consciousness into some false teeth, race, memory, exactly.

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And then implant those teeth into John Rappaport.

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Incisor memory.

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That's probably what happened.

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I think we've solved this.

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I think we've solved it.

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So Alex Jones's dad and John Rappaport, I invite you to go fuck yourself.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.