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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller, I'm a huge fan.

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I love your room.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question for ya.

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What's your bright spot today buddy?

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My bright spot today Jordan is, it's the new year.

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It is the new year.

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Happy new year everybody, we're recording this before the new year.

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That's true.

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We're gonna pretend it's the new year.

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Oh my god, I rang in the new year in style.

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Did you?

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I was at the bar at the top of the Aon Center, popping bottles of champagne with all the Chicago celebrities.

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What's the one, Dom?

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Vince Vaughn was there, Oprah was there.

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Dom Perignon.

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Yes.

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Flowing.

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Like, you know those, those champagne glass towers?

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Sure.

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Yes, yes.

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We had one of those things going.

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But it was never ending.

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Bottomless.

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Bottomless champagne tower.

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And everyone was bottomless.

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Everyone was bottomless?

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It was crazy.

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It was a bottomless party.

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It was a Bockenall, it was a Bockenall, bottomless, bottomless affair.

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The old triple B.

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Yeah.

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Bottomless Bockenall, bottomless affair.

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Ringing in the new year in style, no I didn't do anything I'm sure.

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No.

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At this point, I don't know, it's still in the future but I'm sure I did nothing.

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I, you know, we, my family has done a new thing now where we're starting to celebrate

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Christmas over new year.

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Sure, you mentioned that.

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Yeah, that way we can all ignore the new year holiday.

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And Christmas, sort of.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, everybody goes to bed at like nine.

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It's great.

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Yeah.

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It was fun because you said, you mentioned a little bit after Christmas.

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Sure.

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They're like, it's been a little bit calm this year.

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And I was thinking to myself, yeah, that's probably because you're yet to do Christmas.

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Hey, not a whole lot's happened.

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It's been a pretty, pretty tame year.

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Yes.

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Nice.

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Give it a week.

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Absolutely.

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But yeah, I hope everyone had a good new year.

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And hey, you know, there's ultimate potential for this year.

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You know, we definitely have a feeling that things are going to be shit.

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Sure.

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2024 election.

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It's trouble.

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Not good.

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Not good.

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Primaries weeks away.

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Could be an issue.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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We're in for it.

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But maybe, maybe we can hold onto a little bit of that optimism that comes along with

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the new year every year.

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We can feel it for a minute, even if we have to let it go.

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Right.

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You know, just, just, just grasp some of the, what, what can happen as opposed to what's

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probably going to happen.

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Think about something.

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Think, well, what's a good thing that happened in 2023?

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One good thing and then just roll it into 2024.

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You know, cause listen, we're all going to watch everything crumble, but if you got one

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good thing, roll it into the next year.

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Find that one good thing, boil down the energy of it and make it your, uh, steez for 2024.

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Put it on your face like war paint and walk down the streets.

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Yeah.

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Something like that.

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Yeah.

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So what's your bright spot?

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Uh, my bright spot is tennis!

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Oh, it's been a while.

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It has been a while.

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The new season, 2024 season starts tomorrow.

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You just said something very interesting.

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What's that?

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I didn't realize they had a season.

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Yeah, they have a season.

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Okay.

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I mean, it's, it's harder for you to have a season if you're sports global on account

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of the seasons are always happening.

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Sure.

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Right.

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So, and it's something that could be played indoors and outdoors.

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Right.

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And it just doesn't, it doesn't feel the same as like, I know the NBA has a season.

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Right.

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No, the NHL, MLB, they all have seasons.

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Sure.

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Just doesn't feel right to me that tennis has a season.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's not really a season so much as like at the end of the year they take about

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a month off.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it's, you know, it's like school has a summer.

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It's more like that.

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It's a circuit.

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It is a circuit.

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That's the other part of it too, is that like, it's not teams that all play.

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Yeah.

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You have to qualify for things and it's individual.

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That makes it more difficult to put my head into a season.

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Yeah.

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It is a little bit strange like that.

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So how do we kick it off?

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Brisbane in Australia.

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You know who's coming back, my man?

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Djokovic.

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Rafael Nadal.

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Rafa.

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Spent a year out with an injury, 37 years old.

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Man's only got one year left.

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This is his retirement tour.

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What a story we have unfolding in front of us.

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What a year it's going to be.

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Right?

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He's going to win his 15th French Open and then hopefully he'll be installed as the final

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boss of the French Open, like in Mortal Kombat.

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Right.

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He's the Shao Kahn of the French Open.

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Unless of course Alcatraz kicks his ass.

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No, no, no, no.

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That won't happen.

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No?

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Nobody will kick his ass at the French Open until he's dead.

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Honestly, if you removed one leg, no one would kick his ass.

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It would be an honorable fight.

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But hasn't he lost to like other people?

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He's also like Djokovic.

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He's lost twice out of 120 tries.

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At the French Open?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's why he's won more French Opens than anyone ever by a wide margin.

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But that's not the whole season.

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That's just the French Open.

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No, that's just one tournament.

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That's what I'm saying.

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So he's real good there.

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He's the best beyond any, like nobody has ever been better at a thing than Rafa is at

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playing tennis at Roland Garros.

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Have we figured out what it is?

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Is it the air?

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Is it the French air?

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It's the clay.

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It's the clay because nobody works harder than Rafa, and nobody hits a higher topspin

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forehand than Rafa, and that just drives, like breaks you down.

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So a good Rafa match at Roland Garros will look like that.

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It'll look like this.

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It'll be like 7-6, the other person won the first set.

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Holy shit, Rafa's in trouble.

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Then it's 6-4.

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Then it's 6-0, 6-0.

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It's just deteriorating.

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He just breaks you down.

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Yeah, you can't fight back.

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Okay.

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He should only play on clay.

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That's what I'm saying until he's 80 years old.

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He's Shao Kahn at the French Open.

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Right.

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Yep.

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Well, I wish you a good season.

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I'm excited.

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Well, I look forward to hearing a bit more about that in the coming months.

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If you don't, it's not going to go well for Rafa then.

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Yeah.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, and we're going to go off the beaten

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path a tiny bit to start the new year off, and we'll get down to business on what that

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means exactly after we say hello to some new wonks.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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First, shamelessly star-fucking Dan's transition game.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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My transition game is like Break Your Ankles.

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Yeah.

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A crossover.

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Absolutely.

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I'm like Iverson.

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You have no idea when it's coming.

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Right.

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But it's so smooth.

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Ooh.

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And then your ankles are broken.

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And then we're off on a new topic.

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Next, Ebal Shishi Ping.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, Big Steve P. Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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I'm not Steve Potanik's larger version or father.

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OK.

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No.

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I'm not convinced.

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Next, Jordan.

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Check out Sleep Token.

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Mogwai with Stank.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And it only took Baylor and Kyle 800 episodes to become policy wonks.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

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Ooh.

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Just looking at this, I can tell this is a prank.

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Appreciate it nonetheless, but I apologize.

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I apologize about everything that I'm about to say.

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Here we go.

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Thank you so much to Gratis Paa Fodl Sabegan Britta Kristinel Enflo.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Some other language.

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Ah, that was a happy birthday in Swedish.

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In Swedish?

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Yes.

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You wished, uh, you wish somebody happy birthday?

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Well, happy birthday.

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Yes.

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I, um, yeah, I get worried when there are, uh, uh, longer foreign words.

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Sure.

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No, I, I, I vet the foreign words to make sure that you are not saying something offensive.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I could be forgiven since I don't really know what I'm looking at, but it is

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good that you're doing some, uh, I mean, this is recorded.

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You could be forgiven in a regular conversation, but once it's recorded, then 10 years goes

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by.

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Who knows?

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People are throwing this out at you all the time.

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I like, I like that you did some screening of the Swedish happy birthday message and

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yet somehow e-bill chichi pings made it through.

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Oh no, that one's staying in.

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This speaks poorly of your editorial process.

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I know, it's cause you can spell it.

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E-bill?

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Mm-hmm.

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Nah, there you go.

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She, she?

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That's two she's.

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Right.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Um, we are starting off the year with something that I feel like is addressing an issue with

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our show.

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Okay.

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I think we have a problem.

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All right.

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And that problem is embodied by the lack of project Camelot.

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You're not wrong.

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I think that there was a balance perhaps that came in the form of Alex coverage and then

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something else that wasn't Alex.

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Yes.

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And I think we ruined the fun of project Camelot.

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I think project Camelot ruined the fun of project Camelot.

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We played a small role in making it so I don't feel like we should cover it anymore.

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That's fair.

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But Carrie did a lot of it too.

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Carrie Cassidy did a lot of it herself.

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Groundwork is there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that is, you know, that isn't a piece that is no longer there.

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And a lot of things that I feel like we could try to do or have done in the past just don't

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work.

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Jim Baker had a stroke and it's not fun to cover him anymore.

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It's not fun.

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It's really a bummer.

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A number of other shows, I just don't, I don't know if they have any kind of panache or any

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kind of relevance or anything.

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There's a certain je ne sais quoi that we require, if you will.

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Yeah.

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And there's a, you know, we're, we're a podcast out of balance.

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It's a koyaanisqatsi situation, you know what I mean?

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Just throwing shit at you.

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Yeah.

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You ever see koyaanisqatsi?

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I have.

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I want to watch that koyaanisqatsi.

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Get high, watch these little pictures of nature and cities and stuff.

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It's great.

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It is.

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What a soundtrack.

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It is great.

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So anyway, I feel like we do need something and I don't know what that something could

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be, but this is a possibility as an option and this is sort of a trial balloon-ish maybe,

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see how things feel.

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But it just so happened that as we were recording our last episode, Jimmy Dore had Alex Jones

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on as a guest.

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Right.

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And Jimmy is somebody who has been a possible subject of some analysis for a while.

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He's a, he's a figure that inhabits similar space to Alex, but also moves a little bit

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differently.

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Sure.

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And so I'd considered covering him, but there never was really a way in necessarily.

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But having Alex Jones on, that's a way in.

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Yeah.

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What's the, so what's the deal with Dore, is our new show that we're going to be, what's

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the deal with Dore?

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No, I mean like-

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Close the door.

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I like that one.

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Or bolt the door.

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Slam the door.

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So hold the door, hold Dore.

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So what happened to him?

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So I remember a couple, maybe what?

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Like I'm living in 2009, 2011 area, Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

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I am just starting out in standup, you know, and I'm listening, I'm absorbing all kinds

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of comedians.

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Jimmy Dore, average at best.

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What happened since then?

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So I wrestled with this a little bit too.

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And I will say I used to like Jimmy Dore, but that was a while ago.

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I initially knew of him from his appearances on the podcast Never Not Funny, where he was

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one of the hosts, Jimmy Pardo's oldest friends in comedy.

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That show started in 2006 and Dore was one of the very few guests that were on the first

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season, along with folks like Scott Aukerman and Paul F. Tompkins, as well as Pardo's other

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more niche comedy friends like Pat Francis and director Pete Schwaba.

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Is that long for something?

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Oh boy.

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I don't want to get into Pat Francis right now.

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So Jimmy Dore was fine.

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And there was a fun tension when he was on the show because prior to Pardo marrying his

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wife Danielle Koenig, she had dated Jimmy Dore.

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He was a fine guest and I was a big fan of the show.

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So at that time, pretty much anyone who was on became someone I thought was cool just

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by default.

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And so he was in.

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Never Not Funny was for that time period, that was where so much cool shit was happening.

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And they were very, I wouldn't say, obviously not first, but they were really early in terms

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of doing a podcast like that.

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Jimmy and Mike Schmidt, the other co-host in the first season, were just so fucking

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good together.

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And then as it grew, there were all the people who are now these luminaries and everyone,

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Andy Daley, Paul F. Tompkins, Scott Aukerman, all these folks.

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And it was just, it was a great, fun time.

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It was great.

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I've fallen out of it since, I have not listened to it in a while, although our friends, people

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we knew, like Joe Quisala has been on a number of times.

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No shit.

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Tommy Mac was just on.

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Wait, it's still going?

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Yeah.

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Holy shit.

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Yeah.

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Oh man, I haven't seen Pardo in fucking 10 years.

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Yeah.

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Some other folks that we know, like Beth Stelling has been on.

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Sure.

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She's great.

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So there's, it's interesting.

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So around that period, Jimmy, that's confusing because we were just talking about Pardo.

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We were just talking about a different-

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Jimmy Dore began hosting his own podcast with fellow comedian Todd Glass called Comedy and

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Everything Else.

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Right.

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It was a different type of thing.

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Two comics with really different energies hosting a chat show together.

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It was fine, but it was never my favorite and Todd Glass was clearly way funnier than

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Dore.

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Yeah.

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That needs to be said.

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Yeah.

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The third host of that show was Jimmy's wife, Steph Zamorano, who was there.

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Eventually, Todd Glass left the show and I can't say that I checked in on it much more

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past that.

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Yeah, never.

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And kind of like, all right, this is-

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Why would we-

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This is there.

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Yeah.

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So Jimmy, he was always a comedian who mixed in some politics, as you can see in his hour

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special from 2008, Citizen Jimmy.

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Even back then, I didn't think the special was very good and it fell really short of

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the politically-minded comedy of someone like David Cross.

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Yeah.

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But I have to be clear that at that point, there was a political theme that was being

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delivered through the medium of humor.

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The humor was still the skeleton upon which the messaging was built, which made it perfectly

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palatable even though it wasn't good-

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Sure.

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Or necessarily even that challenging-

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Sure.

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But it was fine.

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Political humor has been around for quite some time.

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Yeah, some people do it more engagingly and some people are fine.

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Listen, I'm still pulling out my old Mortsol LPs.

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You love the Capitol Steps?

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Love it.

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Who is that?

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The guy at the piano?

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Yeah.

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I was actually, yeah.

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I can't remember his name, but yeah.

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So then something happened.

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I don't know exactly what it was, but I do know that it had to do with a shift from him

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creating things that were meant to be humor that had political themes to creating things

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that were political content that also tried to be funny.

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As part of this, he started a show on the Young Turks Network, which is like the incubator

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for people who want to eventually swing hard to the right wing.

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That's not entirely fair.

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There are a lot of great folks who work there and have worked there, but Jimmy Dore and

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Dave Rubin getting launched there is a tough thing to ignore.

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If you're at a party, Nazi shows up and everybody goes, hey, no more Nazis, right?

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But if you're at a party and two Nazis show up, that's too many Nazis.

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And then everybody's hanging out with the Nazis and then you're also the Young Turks

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and Cenk is running for some shit.

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Yeah.

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Get out of here.

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Just looking at it from a 30,000 foot view, not thrilled with Cenk as a whole, Jimmy Dore

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and Dave Rubin both getting their starts there.

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That's three strikes.

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Yeah, it's tough.

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It's tough.

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Yep.

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So after parting ways with the Young Turks, Dore hosted his own YouTube show where he's

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been a real angry idiot, insisting he has left wing positions while constantly drifting

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to the right and getting drawn in by very clear bad actors in the right wing media ecosystem,

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befriending the Boogaloo boys, being all crazy about COVID shit, being a very staunch Putin

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defender in terms of Ukraine.

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Is he doing this the way that so many failed standup comics go around it?

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Is this like, oh, I'm not doing very well.

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All my funny friends are over here.

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And then I start kind of leaning in towards these people.

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And at first you're kind of taken in.

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And then after a little bit, you're like, well, this is my career now.

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This is the way I have to do things.

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Is he an opportunist or did he go nutso?

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I think maybe a little of column A, a little column B.

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Well, I mean, but that's always the case.

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Yeah.

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And I think a lot of it probably surrounded the 2016 election.

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He was big into Jill Stein.

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And that'll happen.

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There was a lot of...

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Sorry, what?

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of alienation from would be type compatriots because of the insistence

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on like not voting for the lesser of two evils kind of thing.

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And I think that that was an avenue, that election, especially because of Hillary and

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her unpopularness with a lot of folks who have left wing positions.

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I think it became a fertile ground for him to start bashing Democrats real hard.

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And I think you see his numbers go up considerably and it's hard not to chase those things when

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you don't really have that much of like a firm core to what you are and what you produce.

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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So as we go through this, I may have some more things to say about his whole trajectory.

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One of the things that I wish this was the case, but I have no evidence of it.

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I wish I could say that the thing that set him off on his trajectory was when he went

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nuts about Kyle Cease's boot camp.

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Do you remember that?

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Oh, wait.

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Kyle Cease was the...

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He was a comedian.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he...

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Blonde guy, right?

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Yeah.

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He was in like a couple of movies and he started a comedy boot camp.

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And Jimmy made an investigative work about it.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, no.

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And it's weird because it was...

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I do remember it being like, all right, you're taking this a little seriously.

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But also in hindsight, he's totally right.

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I mean, like the comedy camp was a whole scam.

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Yeah, the whole...

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They're all scams.

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Yeah.

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And Kyle Cease...

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I'm sorry.

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Everybody go back to taking improv lessons.

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It's going to help.

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He went from that kernel pivoting from stand up to motivational speaker.

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And now, if you go look at his YouTube channel, it is just motivational nonsense.

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No.

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Oh, my God.

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What happened to everyone?

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Yeah.

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I think...

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I'm not sure.

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But I wish I could somehow say like, that was it, Kyle Cease's boot camp broke his brain.

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But I don't think that's the case.

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That would make sense.

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Because that was like in 2010 or 2011.

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So the timeline doesn't really make sense.

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I want to ask you this question.

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Is this recency bias?

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Because here's what I feel like.

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I feel like in our lifetime, the trajectories have gotten crazier.

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You know, like in the past, in our parents' lifetime, the trajectory of like stars and

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all that kind of stuff, it has a fairly consistent thing, right?

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Like the trajectories of...

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You mean fame?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And now it just gets fucking weird real fast.

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Yeah.

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I think that, you know, I'm not saying this is a good thing necessarily, but in the past,

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there were a lot of gatekeepers.

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That's a good point.

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And granted, a lot of them did abuse their gatekeeper status, but at the same time, it

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kept the idea of becoming famous kind of outside of the realm of like a rational perspective

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you could have.

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That's a good point.

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Because nowadays, so much shit is so random that it is not fully irrational to think like,

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it just takes a coincidence or a random thing to strike.

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And so, yeah, the trajectories are really nutty nowadays, and it has been for a little

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while, but I don't think we fully acclimated.

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Been able to kind of grasp to that, yeah.

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No, it is fascinating, that idea of like, yeah, why not just always have a camera on

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you?

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You might be famous.

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Like a thing might happen and then you'll be famous tomorrow.

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Yeah, you might fall down in a really funny way and then you're famous.

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Yeah, that is such an interesting like reverse Johnny Carson kind of scenario, where it's

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like, if you make it on Carson, you're going to be huge the next day.

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It's more like, God knows, fall right, you're going to be huge the next day.

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And nowadays it's like, yeah, if Carson calls you down to the carpet, it's like, you're

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a fucking hag.

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Yes, absolutely.

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You owe the establishment approves of you, you're boring.

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How dare anyone like you, loser.

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So anyway, I may have some things to say about his trajectory and shit, but ultimately my

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feeling around Jimmy is that he's a person without a real center.

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He has anger and some demonstrably true points like the system is corrupt and because there

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isn't a real core to what he's about, those things combine into terrible mixtures.

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If you're an untethered boat, your anger about a corrupt system could easily lead you to

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make alliances with monsters just because they have the same surface level complaint

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that you do, that the system is corrupt.

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And I think that's how we end up here with him interviewing Alex fucking Jones.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I would also say that's probably how we got Tokugawa.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I mean, you're not big into Japanese history?

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You don't want to know more about the Meiji restoration?

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This might miss me a little bit.

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So one of the big things of Jimmy's career, one of the big moments of his political career

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was back in 2016 when he went to the Republican National Convention with the Young Turks.

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At some point, he crossed paths with Alex and Roger Stone and Jimmy took the opportunity

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to spit in Alex's face.

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Great.

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I don't think that anyone could fault him for having the idea to do that, but following

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through with it is pretty stupid and it indicates a little bit of an unfamiliarity with the

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kind of media space he was interacting with.

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Someone spitting on Alex is the best thing that could possibly happen to him and naturally

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Alex used it as evidence of his persecution for a long time after that.

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I bring this up because obviously it's kind of the elephant in the room for this interview.

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Yeah.

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Incidentally, it comes up right before Jimmy tries to launch into his intro for Alex being

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on the show.

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So, uh, I only drink what you spit in my face.

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Ladies and gentlemen, you ought to do a reunion thing and show a clip of that.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I will.

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I will.

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Alex Jones is with us.

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He's an Austin based producer, director, writer, and documentary filmmaker, as well as host

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of the Alex Jones show, which appears on both syndicated and internet radio.

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He is also the founder of info wars, the multimedia enterprise.

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He has been banned by many prominent social media outlets for a range of alleged violations,

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although his Twitter account was recently restored.

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Welcome to the show, Alex Jones.

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Wow, Jimmy, I've been a big fan of you for a long time and uh, I hate you both so much

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spit I've had in my mouth.

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So I just want to say that, uh, I also had Willie Nelson spit in my mouth, but my mouth

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was open when you spit at me like a spitting cobra went right in my mouth.

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So you and Willie Nelson have both been in my mouth.

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Alex was smoking some weed with Willie and that's where, yeah.

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So this is where the recording of the stream begins.

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So I'm not sure what the context of what they were talking about was, but I presume that

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it was about how they both liked to drink.

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So I've heard anyway, what Alex has done here is great.

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He's completely illustrated dominance over Jimmy.

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Jimmy spit in Alex's face and Alex is laughing and joking about it, honestly, because like

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I said, it was a big win for Alex's propaganda, but not only is Alex laughing about this,

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he's introduced an uncomfortable idea that if you think about this for even a second

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is hanging over this entire interview.

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Should be about seven years ago, Jimmy hated Alex so much that when he saw him, he immediately

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spit in his face and now Jimmy is psyched to have him on the show.

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So what happened in order for Jimmy to rationalize doing this interview?

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He has to basically say that he was wrong about Alex and concede a whole lot of credibility

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in the process.

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The act of inviting Alex in for this interview kind of requires an embarrassing level of

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submission from Dorr.

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By acknowledging that this happened and how he's happy to interview Alex, he has no leg

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to stand on in case they disagree with anything that ends up coming up.

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Oh yeah, you were wrong about me, weren't you?

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He is so weak from the jump.

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I can't imagine, I can't imagine doing that, you know, like I personally, I don't know

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why this is, this is true for me and I guess not everybody, but to me, like spit means

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we fight and then one of us is in the hospital, you know, like there's no, there's no spit

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on my face and then we walk away and then later meet up.

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It's well, it is, you know, an assault.

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I mean, you, you, you know, you grew up in Missouri, nobody, you get spit on in the face

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in Missouri, you're one of you dies, right?

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Like that's the rule.

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I only have one experience of this and it was at a party, me and Nikki gifts were at

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a party and I think I did something to him or something.

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He knocked a beer out of my hand and then I spit in his face and then he punched me

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and then like, we were like, ah, everything's fine, but we got another drink.

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That makes sense.

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He's like, Hey, we got a little out of pocket, a little out of hand blood.

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We all move on.

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That's how it works, right?

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You can't, it's something that is not, and I in the moment did not think I was fairly

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drunk, so I didn't think of it as like, Oh, he's probably going to punch me if I do this.

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But yeah, it happened.

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Um, and it seemed like a very logical chain of events.

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No, in retrospect, you're like, yes, I spit in your face, you punched me, we both know

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where we stand.

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Yeah.

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And in hindsight, I was like, I probably would never do that if I didn't know the person.

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Yeah.

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Kind of.

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Yeah.

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That's not a good thing.

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That's not an innovative.

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It's like, if it was a stranger, it wouldn't have been one punch.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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That would have been, yeah.

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Yeah.

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We wouldn't have made up pretty quickly afterwards.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Um, but yeah, it's a, it's so strange to, to like, imagine that you know who Alex Jones

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is and do that.

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Yeah.

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Like it's, and I, I kind of would understand it from the standpoint of somebody who's been

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like directly harmed by Alex.

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Sure.

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I would certainly give a little bit more leeway in that sense.

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Sure.

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But Jimmy's another media figure.

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hasn't been wronged by Alex, he just doesn't like him. And to not have the awareness of how

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propaganda games work and what Alex wants out of you is ridiculous. It strains credulity almost

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to imagine he didn't know that that was something that Alex would like him to do.

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I think that's also another part of it that is so confusing to me, is that idea of you are

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performing an action and that it is almost like creating a fictional scenario for both of you.

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He's performing that action no longer existing in the space of, I'm a human and you're a human,

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and instead existing in a space of like, how are people going to see this? Me spitting on this

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man. And he has the appearance of that too. And it was on the set where the Young Turks

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were broadcasting from the RNC. So there's an awareness that there's cameras all over the place.

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So there is a performance aspect to it. But I also, I'm not necessarily convinced that it's

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not just like Jimmy's that fucking stupid and kind of an angry person. So I think that I can't

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really suss out whether it's just kind of a total unawareness of the community and the type of

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people that he's interacting with. Or if it's some kind of calculated move that we're like,

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we're both putting on a performance of a fight. I'm not sure. That is so fascinating to me.

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I'm an angry person. You yelled in the courtroom or outside the courtroom when Alex was doing his

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interview, but that was kind of trying to disrupt in some way and you stopped. You didn't spit on

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it. Everybody was stupid. But that's kind of like the thing that I'm thinking about is

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to me, there's such a very strict and simple line between violence and not violence, right?

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Right. Yelling is on the right side of the line.

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Yell back at me. We all yell. You want to make jokes? You want to be mean? Fine. We all do that.

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In some states, you could be prosecuted for spitting on somebody.

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Absolutely. I mean, now that we know about disease and shit, back in the day,

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spitting on somebody didn't mean much because you didn't understand.

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This is pre-COVID. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex has asked, let's play this. Let's have a reunion, baby.

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Wow. And so Jimmy plays

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the clip of the altercation at the RNC. Oh, that's fun.

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I stand by that you were being funny because you were being funny. You said to Jake Uyghur,

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I'm trying to be nice. And that was funny to me. And let me hear it. Let's just show it.

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I'll show it what happened. Here it is. No, Jake, relax.

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Hold on, hold on, hold on. We're against Saudi Arabia, you dumbass. We talk about that all

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the time. You're talking about that all the time. You're out of shit. You think the loser people

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are in charge? No. Is that what you think? Is that what you think? You're the anti-liberal

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and you're pissed. Bullshit. We're being nice here. You know what I care about? I care about

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the American people. You're the one flipping out. Anybody hurt? I'm being nice. All right,

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get the fuck off my stage. It's great stuff.

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That there was the ice tea incident. And the ironic thing is that I thought this was going

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to blow up into a huge fight, fistfight, because Jake Uyghurs was out of his mind. And you had

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baited him. You spit on a man.

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And professionally. I couldn't believe he was handling it that way.

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He's a brawler. I thought Jake's a brawler.

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He likes to say he's a brawler. But it did diffuse almost immediately after that. Everybody

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kind of walked away from that. This is a really sleazy kind of way to present the situation,

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as if he was spitting on Alex to diffuse a tense situation.

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I'm not saying I am a hero. I'm just saying that by performing this action of spitting on a man,

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I saved everyone's lives. Right. Could have gotten way out of hand.

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If I were on the plane on 9-11, I think I would have spit on a man.

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Gone down. Yep.

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So Jimmy is right, though, that Alex baited Cenk into that response. Alex was hoping to

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antagonize someone with a sizable audience into a fight so they could turn that into the news.

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Yeah, that would have been fun. I have no problem with that characterization

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that Jimmy's making, that Alex and Roger went over to the Young Turks filming area in order

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to prompt a confrontation. But I take serious issue with the way that he's talking here.

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Because you know who is really baited by Alex? Jimmy's dumb ass.

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He's trying to act like it was Cenk that took the bait and fell for Alex's trolling tricks,

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but he's spitting his fucking face. I get why he's playing it this way, though.

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Jimmy has absolutely nothing to gain from the world that Cenk inhabits.

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Young Turks audience members aren't going to be his audience members now, so it's totally safe to

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throw Cenk onto the bus while trying to play cool with his new right-wing bigot friend.

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It's all very transparent, though, and it's a really weak beginning to this exchange.

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Yeah, I can already see 10 different reasons that I would have said no to doing this before

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it even came up. Not me as me, but me as Jimmy Dore with that history.

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But you have to consider how attractive it is, the idea of so many eyes, so much attention

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you're going to get out of interviewing Alex. And here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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I think that there is the potential for an interesting interview between them.

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I think there is the potential for, hey, I am a extreme far-right Christian nationalist,

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racist fuckhead, and I believe these things. You are somebody who's claiming that you're

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kind of on the left, scream about Medicare for all sometimes. You also have some of these beliefs.

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What is it that makes us different? That could be an interesting kind of exchange,

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but in reality, all this turns into is fairly similar territory that Alex has said on all the

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other interviews that he does, because he's not doing an interview. He's using this to poach

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Jimmy's audience. This is what this is about. Yeah. I just see that if I'm Jimmy, I'm...

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But this again comes back to my life philosophy. It's like, just take the L sometimes. Your life

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is going to be better if you take the L. You know what? You don't get to have Alex on your show.

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It would be nice, but you spat in his face. And now from that moment on, any interaction you have

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with Alex is to his benefit more than it is to yours. Take the L. Just take the L. It makes

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sense to me. There isn't that much to gain out of this. Yeah. Other than kind of solidifying yourself

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in the pointlessly contrarian community of shitheads. And solidifying yourself as a toad

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that they can exploit. Yeah. Yeah. It's a wormish. So if you want to be a worm, then I guess that's

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what you want to do. I guess so. Or you could take an L and not be a worm. I don't know. Whatever.

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Yeah. Less money in that. Yep. So Alex tells the story of their altercation, because I guess we're

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just obsessing about this at the beginning. Sure. Why not? And it was a huge parking garage that

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they'd sealed up with big air conditioners in July. And so we were all milling around.

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I walked by, said hi to them. I've been on the show a few times. They said, yeah, maybe we'll

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have you on later. And I came back by and they were on break. So I went up there and gave them

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a Bill Clinton's rapist t-shirt. And he just completely blew up when I saw Roger Stone walking

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by and said, Roger, you're not going to crash my show. And so then I thought it was all a joke.

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And then he got madder and madder and madder and madder. And then he went on air basically and said,

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we're here in our studio. And he got into the building and basically acted like I had like a

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James Bond snuck in. Instead, it was out in the middle with other shows, 15 feet away, booths

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everywhere. You guys had a big stage. So that's the truth of that story. And it was a lot of fun.

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So so no, you obviously didn't sneak into the building because there was security

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letting everyone in. You had to go through security to get in. And of course, you couldn't

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sneak in with a camera crew. And we had seen you. I'd seen you walking back and forth earlier that

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day. And so we knew you were there. I didn't know that somebody had invited you onto that stage.

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I know you had been on Jank Show before. He had interviewed you at least a couple of times that

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I saw. So I didn't know that was going to happen. Does Jimmy not think that him spitting in Alex's

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face wasn't the thing that happened? I mean, sure, Jank yelled at Alex and Roger, but Jimmy

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debatably committed a crime. I think it's totally cool to sit around and joke about how Jank

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overreacted. And literally anyone except Jimmy could conceivably engage in that behavior.

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Seeing as he overreacted way more than Jank, this just makes him seem like an obsequious worm.

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Yeah. Because that's what he is. This is pathetic. Yeah. Yeah. Again, that's going to be unresolved

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for me in a way that I don't think I can quite handle. That you can't spit on somebody and then

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only talk it out after that. To me, that's another level. You know what I mean? No. I have to go a

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step further. They are not talking it out. Right. They are not. You can't even do this. Yeah. They

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are making fun of Jank and ignoring the fact that Jimmy spit in his face. I mean, they're talking

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about it, but that's not, they're not talking about why he did it. What he's learned since then.

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What was the reflection about the act of spitting on him? He just is like,

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hey, it stopped the fight. Jank sure was mad, huh? That is, what are you doing? That is stupid.

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Also, but this is what I was talking about at the beginning. Getting into any of that stuff

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really is threatening. Totally. You can't get into that stuff because then it becomes like,

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oh, what else have you been wildly wrong about to the point of spitting in someone's face? Yeah.

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Yeah. What kind of credibility do you have? What reliability do you have

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as a person who has perspectives? Yeah. Probably little.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the other, the other thing that stuck out to me was whenever he was like,

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yeah, I thought it was a lot of fun and everybody laughed. That kind of made it clear to me that

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they didn't understand that it was fun in the moment. Yeah. Like getting spit on for Alex was

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awesome. It was perfect. Yeah. I mean, and then really when he's describing it, you can definitely

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be like, oh yeah, they had a lot more fun back then. They did. Yeah. The present sucks for Alex

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that back then they were doing all kinds of fun shit. Yeah. Like spit on, spit on. That's the,

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yeah. That's the being the rock star conservative guy you want to be. Yeah. Like I don't,

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I don't recognize the, the unawareness like, or I don't understand the unawareness of like people

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like Alex want you to hurt them. Insane. They take that like consequences are virtue for them.

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So if you punch him, it's great. Like the guy who poured coffee on him was the best thing that ever

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happened to him. It's, it's, um, I don't know. I did these people not have like those inciting

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campus preachers when they went to school? I guess not. That's a, that's another good

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question. There's so many things about people when they react, it's like, maybe you just haven't,

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you know, you're like dodo, but you're just slightly naive. You know, you didn't know that

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the Spanish might fucking shoot your brains out, you know, like that, that could happen.

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Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, that's what leads to this. And there we are. So, um, uh, Jimmy tells a little

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anecdote about, uh, someone that happened after the spitting incident. The crazy thing to me was

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that, uh, I went to play Austin, Texas. My first time I was playing Austin and I was eating at

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that steakhouse across from the Westin and swear to God, and you were seated right behind me.

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And I was like, Oh my God, Alex Jones is going to kill me because, uh, because you could, you're

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much bigger than me. You could crush me, but I thought it was funny. Listen, I'm, uh, I love

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your comedy. I love your show. You're gonna get in trouble for this, but I'm a big fan. So is my

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wife. Every episode, which is a lot. Uh, and so now I think you're one of the best political

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brains out there and you're fair. You're exposing the whole political system is rotten controlled

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by big corporations like black rock who are now starting world war three. And you've really,

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the whole time stood up for my free speech. And I appreciate that you got it a little wrong.

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What happened with the whole school shooting thing and what I really said and what I didn't say,

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I don't even see the name of it, but if that comes up, I can tell you what really happened there.

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That was all PR firms. Oh, okay. So first of all, Alex absolutely doesn't watch Jimmy's show.

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He has very good instincts about this stuff though. And he knows that Jimmy's never going

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to push back on this because it would require doing something that works against his ego.

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Alex is using some of the old tricks that Steve Pachannik taught him, where you overwhelm an

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idiot with flattery and then they're yours. Oh my God. Also, Jimmy clearly has no idea about how

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any of the games he's involved in work. Alex would never have beat him up at that steakhouse.

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If anything, Alex would have bought his dinner as thanks for all the attention. He was able to farm

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off Jimmy's spitting on him. Please spit on me again. We could, Hey, listen, it's so good to

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see you. Remember the spitting incident. How about we do something next week? I'll get you onto the

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phone. You can spit on me there. That's immediately. Yeah. Yeah. But now Alex has buttered Jimmy up,

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flattered him excessively, and now he's going to use it to lie about Sandy Hook.

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Jimmy now finds himself in territory he should have known he'd end up in.

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Alex is going to straight up lie to his audience about his actions and the legal case,

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and Jimmy is essentially powerless to do anything. Alex has already asserted his dominance with the

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spitting talk, which clearly illustrates that Jimmy has to have been way wrong about Alex in

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the past, which in turn gives credence to the idea that Jimmy's also wrong about what Alex did in

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terms of Sandy Hook. Further, Alex has set him up into a box where pushing back on Alex's shit

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threatens to take away the praise that's being shoveled onto him. Alex said Jimmy was the best

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political brain out there, and Alex is the talk of the town now that he's back on Twitter.

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Jimmy doesn't want to risk losing feeling that approval by doing his job and pushing back on

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this stuff. Essentially within a minute or two of the interview starting, Jimmy is fucked.

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Alex is going to steamroll this and use Jimmy's platform to siphon off audience members,

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and Jimmy is essentially running an infomercial for Infowars at this point, whether he knows it

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or not. Yeah, I don't understand that at all. Of all the things that I will buy from that is,

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how many years have you in show business now? 30 something, and you're getting overtaken by

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that weak shit? Yeah, and it's like, all right, great. Yeah, the media lies, and the system's

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corrupt. Fine. You're talking to Alex Jones. Right, and you're sniveling. Yes. You're sniveling

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for Alex Jones. Great. You've had at least one agent in your life go, oh, I think you're the

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smartest, funniest person, and then you've learned from that. You'd hope. You'd hope. Well, but here's

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the problem. Yeah. If you actually think you are the smartest, funniest person, then it doesn't

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set off those alarm bells. That is a good point. I mean, yeah, the moment Alex said those words,

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I was like, if I'm talking to Alex, I am shutting off the... I'm like, okay, you're full of shit,

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click. Yeah. Like, no, absolutely not. Oh, I think my wife and I think you're hilarious.

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We watch your show every day. The fuck you do, click. Get the fuck out of here.

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So, Jimmy, he starts a little confrontational, but not in a good way. No. I can tell you what

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really happened there. That was all PR firms taking one thing out of context, blowing it up

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years later as a way to try to take me off the air. Okay. So, yeah, I do actually want to talk

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about that, but first I want to show this. You were on with Tucker Carlson and he said this.

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Oh, wait. What happened?

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When you got deplatformed, and to this day, no one has ever been more aggressively censored,

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I don't think, than you. I've apologized to you this in person before. I was in Labrador on a

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fishing trip and missed the entire thing. I was literally out of cell range. I didn't know what

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happened, but I got back and I read about it. I felt like it was a major moment in the history

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of the American media. I don't think anybody defended you when that happened. Anybody.

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With any kind of audience. Forming with Tim Cook.

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So, I want to correct the record on that. And I actually did defend you. The day it happened,

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and ever since. Oh my God.

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So, yeah, right out of the box, nice little confrontation of,

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hey, why didn't you shout me out on Tucker?

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So, our first bit of information is, I am shocked you would bring up the most famous

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thing we did together. Me spitting on you. Sure.

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The thing that I do have planned is another way for me to be obsequious towards you.

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Yes. Cool. Yeah. So, you came in hot making me obsequious,

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but before you did that, you wasted your time. You had no idea.

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I had obsequiousness in my holster, buddy. Yeah, but it's obsequiousness mixed with,

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hey man, you were on a big platform. You could have put my name out there.

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Don't you know how the game works? Yeah.

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Oh God. I've been defending you,

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but also there's a little work around here and that is that Tucker said nobody with an audience.

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Yeah. Oh, Jimmy.

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Oh, poor Jimmy. Jimmy.

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So, Jimmy plays a clip of himself from 2018 where he's defending Alex as evidence that he

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stood up for Alex back then, which if you'll recall, as this started, one of the first

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things Alex said is, you defended me. So, that's already been understood.

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Alex accepted it. The only gripe here is that he didn't shout him out on Tucker.

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Yeah. Because I'll tell you the biggest fake news story of my lifetime.

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Just really quick. I had started the clip of him from 2018 in the middle because it's super long.

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Oh God. Thank God. Was Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction. That was the biggest fake news

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propaganda story in the history of my life. Should the Washington Post be deplatformed then

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because they posted fake news? Do you know, we just did a story a few weeks ago on the

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Jimmy Dorsey show. Facebook took down a newspaper's Facebook page because the newspaper for the 4th

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of July posted the Declaration of Independence. And they took it down because of hate speech

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inside the Declaration of Indispendence. That's a fact that happened.

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Is that? And they had only posted the first half of the Declaration of Independence

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and their Facebook page got a strike or temporary ban. And then they were afraid to post the second

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half because it might happen again. Oh man. There's nudity in the second half.

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So that's the world we're living in right now. The antidote to bad speech is not suppression

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of that speech. The antidote to bad speech is more speech. That's been debunked, Jimmy.

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So I just want to let everybody know that I'm sure Tucker didn't know,

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but I did defend you and I defended free speech and the First Amendment.

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All right. Case point solved. Boo!

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So yeah, earlier in that clip he does specifically say that Alex shouldn't have been kicked off

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stuff. But like I said, it's a really long clip and I don't care.

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No, we're not doing that. Thinking that the antidote to bad speech

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is more speech is very stupid. The reality is that whether Jimmy understands it consciously or not,

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on some level he knows that he's playing the same game as Alex and he's afraid that he's going to

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be kicked off stuff. He's not making a principled stance as much as he is making a stance based on

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self-preservation. Jimmy has bought the bullshit line that Alex's bans were the result of him

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covering fake news. And Jimmy kind of knows that he does that too, which is why he's worried

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and has a personal stake in investment in defending Alex from free speech.

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Just take what Jimmy was ranting about in that clip where he's defending Alex as an example.

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First of all, he brings up the WMDs in Iraq news coverage and then points the finger at

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the Washington Post. I'm sure they had some iffy coverage back then, but wasn't the New York Times

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a much bigger culprit? We're all famously mad at the New York Times.

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Shouldn't he be pointing the finger at like Judith Miller or something?

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Yeah, right? It was there. Yeah. More importantly, Jimmy covers a story about a

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newspaper getting a strike on Facebook because they posted the Declaration of Independence,

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which is apparently hate speech. This is an Infowars-style narrative, and you can easily

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see Alex covering this as proof that the globalists are trying to destroy the country. That's right at

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home at Infowars. Oh yeah, for sure.

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Skim a headline and rant about it. Right on, yeah.

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But Jimmy has the story wrong. This is about a paper called the Liberty County Vindicator

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out of Liberty, Texas. All right, that's a...

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It's a threatening sounding name, but they're a normal paper founded in 1887.

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On the 4th of July, 2018, they decided to post the Declaration of Independence in small chunks

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on Facebook, and the post that got flagged was the 10th post in the series, which included

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paragraphs 27 through 31. We all love the part of the Declaration that says stuff like,

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we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. That's the good shit.

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Not the... But we're still going to keep slaves.

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Well, and there's more in there, like the list of grievances against King George.

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They were pretty pissed off at King George. Paragraph 29, which was included in the

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flagged post as part of that grievance list and says, quote, he has excited domestic

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insurrections among us and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers,

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the merciless Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all

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ages, sexes, and conditions. Facebook was clear that this post was flagged by an automated

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response and that it was an accident, and then the post was restored.

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Hey, or Facebook was unclear that sure, the Declaration of Independence was racist.

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I would. What do you want?

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The newspaper got a nice apology from Facebook and everything was fine. It's obvious why this

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could get flagged out of context, and it's a non-issue, or at least it is for everyone,

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except people who operate like Alex and Jimmy fucking door. It would be fair enough to ask

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how these automated actions pick up what they do and question the possible inconsistencies

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and moderation practices, but that's not what Jimmy's doing. He's playing the exact same games

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that Alex does with blurring details of stories so he can use them for his narrative purposes.

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They're very similar, but Alex is just better at the game.

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Yeah, that is something that can never be stated enough because it will never be stated regularly,

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which is that for all this talk about what the founding fathers blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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it's important to remember that in the Declaration of Independence was a promise of genocide towards

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Native Americans. I don't know if it was a promise, an implication. Yeah.

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The country was founded with an intent to kill everyone, just to be clear.

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So I think Alex is a decent read of vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And you can tell that Jimmy's a bit needy. I'm the winner. I'm the cock of the walk.

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But maybe you need to pacify and placate the neediness a little bit.

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Sure, sure. And so Alex does that here and

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then decides, like, I'm just going to do whatever I want in this interview.

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Yeah, that sounds right. By the way, Jimmy, if I can respond to that.

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Yeah. That's a great point.

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You notice we didn't talk before this interview. No.

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This is unscripted. I remembered. So I didn't even know you were going to play that clip. I

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didn't know out of the gates. That's the first thing I brought up was I appreciate that you

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were one of the few people up front that saw what was happening. They were exaggerating what I said

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out of context, demonizing me so that everybody else would accept me being taken off air.

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So they then had the prototype to get everybody else taken off air.

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And it later came out in government documents in the Wall Street Journal that indeed

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they chose me as a colorful, flamboyant person to get the public to accept that

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as basically training wheels to get everybody on board. But you hit the nail on the head.

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I've never killed anybody. What?

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Madeleine Albright, triple the sanctions on Iraq, as if it wasn't bad enough when George Herbert

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Walker Bush did and killed several million people. She was in the middle of office.

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Secretary of State.

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Kick her off Twitter.

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60 Minutes, Leslie Stahl. A million people have died, half a million are children. Is

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that a good price to pay for what you said? Yeah, it's a good price to pay. We're proud of it.

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Basically, we do it again. Okay. She's lauded and worshiped. And then they knew they were lying

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about WMDs. And you get Colin Powell up there with the anthrax and all of that garbage they

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knew wasn't true. And so they've killed millions of people. But then I am set up in civilization

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and society as the worst person who's ever existed because I agree with a couple of callers

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calling in one saying, yeah, probably is fake. And they literally cobble that together, have a PR

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firm. I wasn't a platform for that. They needed something afterwards because it made me a martyr,

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what you predicted. So they dredged up this earlier stuff, exaggerated it times 100,

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then defaulted me in court cases. When I gave them all the stuff, there was no case. The judges

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found me guilty and then told juries that I was worth $400 million when I was actually broken

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upside down last year. And now it's finally come out in court and my bankruptcy that I was upside

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down when the judge says, you're not broke. You're a liar. And your lawyers can't put on any

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evidence. Oh boy. So you can really tell that Alex wants to talk about the Sandy Hook thing.

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He's interjecting his talking points about it in a way that's very forced. And that's because

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that's his main goal. He wants to go on shows like this to gather new audience members. And one of

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the biggest hurdles that he has working against him is that people associate him with his actions

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about Sandy Hook. His primary mission is to force his version of reality into these spaces

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to combat the reality of what he did. I guess this is the more speech thing that Jimmy is so fond of.

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Also, let's not lose sight of what's happened so far in this interview. They ruminated for

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a while about how Jimmy spit on Alex. And then Jimmy launched into a needy ass presentation

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about how Alex didn't name check him on Tucker when they were talking about people defending

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Alex when he got deplatformed. If I'm listening to this or watching this, I'm seeing Jimmy as a

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very weak person. He's coming off very desperate, sucking up to Alex, pretending spitting on him was

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all in good fun and letting Alex ramble on about whatever he wants. He doesn't come off as much of

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a host. Jimmy is also learning in real time why interviewing Alex is a stupid idea. The whole

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thing was a two minute barrage of lies that he's not equipped to deal with. So he's just going to

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let this stand. The entire characterization of the Sandy Hook case is a fraud and Alex can't

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produce these government documents that are about choosing him to set the precedent for kicking

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people off air. This is what happens when you interview Alex unprepared. You'll let him lie to

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your audience and then you'll sit there powerless to even really respond to the thousand tidbits of

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bullshit that he's throwing at you. So it's just a barrage and you aren't equipped. You just can't

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handle it. And you don't want to handle it. Jimmy doesn't want to handle it. He wants to promote

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Alex. No, absolutely. I was thinking about this and I don't like it because it's self promoting.

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So I would like to take us as who we are out of it. I don't care if it's the two of us.

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But Alex's narrative, if it is not counteracted and overwhelmed by our narrative,

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will win. Because it is with the complicity of the media's laziness that that narrative will

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overtake the reality of it. And what is facilitating that is that Alex has realized

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that there will be no consequences for continuing to lie about Sandy Hook. So the whole trial was a

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complete waste of everybody's time. Well, hopefully when everybody gets the money, etc, etc, etc.

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But the point is he is still going to be allowed to lie about Sandy Hook for as long as he lives.

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For as long as he lives for fun. I think the most obvious indication of that was him lying about

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what like Scarlett Lewis and Neal Hesseland did in the courtroom. How she was crying and saying

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that her lawyers had misled her and stuff like that. It's fucking bullshit. The ability to lie

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about a case as it was ongoing. There's never going to be consequences for him. And yeah,

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he knows it. And there's not going to be follow up. He can go on Tucker and say that he's actually

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the hero of Sandy Hook and no one will do anything about it. I am the victim simultaneously.

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Yeah, absolutely. So that is kind of the problem here for me is like, unless there is a concerted

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effort to overtake Alex, Alex will control the narrative of Sandy Hook. At least in some spaces,

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yes. I mean, for now, but I think long term, Alex's narrative wins. Alex's narrative,

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the legend wins over the truth over time. I believe you're correct about that.

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That's what I'm saying now. The amount of people who are not necessarily

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Info Wars people who buy into the bullshit that he like predicted 9-11 perfectly. Like

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that should give people pause about how easy it is for incredulous people to take in bullshit

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the narratives that Alex spends. So it is from that that I want to be clear,

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because I think it can come off like ego for the two of us to be like, oh,

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you shouldn't cover Alex Jones. Right.

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But it should be very, very clear at this point that you shouldn't cover Alex Jones.

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Well, you should take it more seriously than a lot of people do.

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Yeah. I mean, I think that Jimmy isn't in that camp. He's absolutely he is a co-worker with

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Alex. You know, this isn't this isn't ever meant to be a confrontational kind of actual interview.

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They're at the water cooler talking about sports.

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I was thinking about it while I was listening to this, too. I was thinking about like

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what I would do if I did interview Alex. And granted, that'll never happen.

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But if I did, the only thing I would do is I'd be like, all right, look,

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I think you're a piece of shit and we're not going to agree or disagree on anything

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because we have fundamentally different world views. All I want to do is nail down the stuff

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about what you think your place in Christian history is. Like, let's talk about the fact

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that you're a prophet. Let's talk about the fact that God chose you to fight the devil.

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Does the Bible need to be rewritten? Yeah.

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We need to add books to the Bible. The whole thing.

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Like, that's all I would do. Yeah.

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And I would just demand like, no, no, no, we're not going off track.

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No interest. Don't care.

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Don't care about politics. Oh, what a battle. Don't give a fuck.

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Don't care about how wronged you were by the Sandy Hook courts.

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This is what we're doing. We're just talking about whether or not there needs to be

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a new Christianity. Yeah.

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Because you are such a huge part of this. If it's not in the Bible,

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then how can people know? Yes, exactly.

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Don't you want your gospel to be told? Oh, yeah.

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So that's what I would do, because I think that would be a really uncomfortable position

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for him to be in. Yeah.

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Maybe not though. Anyway, Jimmy tries to steer things back on track because Alex is launching

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off into a Sandy Hook shit. And so he wants to know what were the misrepresentations that

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were told about you to get you kicked off social media. Now, as we know, Alex thinks

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that it wasn't... It's not the Sandy Hook stuff. You got him kicked off social media.

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That came later to retroactively justify getting him kicked off.

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Right. So that shouldn't be what he talks...

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It was Hillary. It shouldn't be what he talks about,

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but instead it is. Oh, great.

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And so tell me the misrepresentation of your positions that got you banned.

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When I was able to co-host a show for two and a half hours a couple of weeks ago with Elon Musk

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on Spaces, just the main show at 20 million views, over 100 million views, the clips,

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mega spaces that Elon's ever done. I hear we're gonna do another one soon.

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Congrats.

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He was told by Tucker privately and others, hey, Alex was not any platform for Sandy Hook.

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He thought that. And he said on the air, he goes, no, I went to the log and I noticed it was for

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confronting Oliver Darcy, who had been taking my sponsors and getting me kicked off things

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and bragging about it. So I saw him in D.C. going in a committee hearing that they were talking

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about me at later. And I confronted him and said, man, you're an anti-American person.

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Well, they called that bullying. And that was the final strike

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that took me off of Twitter at the time. And so then it only made me bigger for a while.

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And so they now bragged about it once they won these court cases by rigging them.

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A PR firm put out press releases when they won the Connecticut case, the second one in November

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of last year, 2022. That'd be two years ago or two years back. And I didn't know what happened

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until later. So, yeah, Sandy Hook happens. It's real. I think it happened. It's a terrible

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tragedy. School shootings are real. A bunch of academics and people start looking at anomalies.

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It becomes this huge Internet thing. Hundreds of millions of views on YouTube. Other people

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covering it. The professors in Florida and Wisconsin and a school safety guy and a bunch

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of people. And it turned out some of the things they said were true. Some weren't. Turns out

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a couple of them are probably schizophrenic. And I simply covered it on a few shows.

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Had callers call in. What they put in evidence was 22 minutes over six years. It was six years

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after seven years after they sued me. I hadn't talked about it when they sued me for over two

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years. Barely ever talked about it. But they cherry picked it. The PR firm put the clips out,

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ran it right as I was being deployed. Right after I was deplatformed in 2018.

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Suddenly it's like they were invading a country. The propaganda was in sometimes every newspaper,

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almost every day. Nightline. That's already gone. PBS, CNN. Every show. Ted Koppel did chime in on

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other shows, but it wasn't Nightline. Dan Rather. All of them come out against me. I mean,

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Old Guard. They had 60 Minutes shows about it. They had NBC Dateline shows about it. And they

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said he's currently going to their houses. He's currently sending people to their houses. He's

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currently urinating on graves. None of that ever was put in court. No one ever did any of that

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anyways. And so then they sue me for years to get all these depositions. We give them all the

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discovery. There's nothing there. And they go, you didn't give us everything. You're defaulted.

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So now we're going to have a trial on damages, but you're already guilty. And then the judges

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in both places wouldn't let us. They had my phone because we gave them the phones. When they go,

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oh, he actually gave us his phone. No, no, no. We'd given them all my phones. The real reason

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the lawyers got sanctioned is with the phones, they accidentally just gave them all raw,

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and they gave them some of the Sandy Hook medical records from those depositions.

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So the lawyers did mess up, but they already had the phone. So I'd given them all the phones.

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How am I not giving them all my text messages? All my emails are getting defaulted. And then

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they have from my lawyers, a whole phone. Okay. And so this is the type of crap.

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So to be clear, Jimmy asked Alex what positions of his were misrepresented to get him kicked off

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social media. The beginning of Alex's answer includes him saying he was kicked off Twitter

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because he was inciting harassment against Oliver Darcy. And then it deteriorates into a

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completely fictional retelling of Sandy Hook stuff. Alex really wants to get his fake version

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of the story out there. And Jimmy doesn't know shit. So he can't say with any kind of-

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Oh, I mean, no, I don't blame Alex at all. Alex is doing 100% the right thing because

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Alex is my- Well, it's the wrong thing,

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but it's the right thing for him strategically. No, I mean, yeah, for him, Alex is a terrible

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person who's a piece of shit, who has done horrible things and who the literal country

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has sanctioned for it. But because of the way that human beings work, as long as he pushes

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this story, his legacy will be intact. And he hits the same beats over and over

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again in all of these interviews in order to print the legend, as you say.

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Yeah, yeah. He will go down in history so long as he is allowed to continue doing this

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as the man who correctly predicted 9-11 and as a prophet.

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Or at least there will be a considerable number of people who buy into that.

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Yeah. Whether or not history remembers him that

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way, it won't be something that- Colloquial history will remember him that

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way, even if written history- Patriot history.

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Yeah, lore is set. So now, as somebody who was involved in the

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Texas case, I can say with a high level of certainty that much of the stuff Alex is saying

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is false. He had not cooperated with Discovery and the phone was literal proof of it.

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He very well may have given the phone to his lawyer, but they withheld it from Discovery,

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which is the problem. The reason the phone and the texts were so important was because

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he was supposed to turn over every text and email that had specific search terms,

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like the plaintiff's names and Sandy Hook. Alex and his lawyers insisted they had turned

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over everything, but then Alex's lawyer accidentally sent plaintiff's lawyer, Mark

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Bankston, copies of all of Alex's messages, along with confidential medical information

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about the Sandy Hook plaintiffs. F. Andino Raynal, former Obama cabinet.

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Not cabinet. I know.

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In those text messages, there were undisclosed messages that include the specified terms,

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which was proof positive that there were messages that were relevant to the case that had been

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intentionally withheld from the plaintiffs. This was long past the point where Alex was

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defaulted, and this was in the damages trial, but it was a really damning blow in terms

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of Alex trying to pretend that he'd cooperated with the process.

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Legitimately, the only argument he could make is that his lawyers engaged in malpractice

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and went against his wishes by not cooperating with Discovery. Like, he turned everything over,

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but then the lawyers he was paying decided not to turn over damning stuff. And then his lawyers

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also made him send incompetent, unprepared infowars employees to testify in depositions

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as corporate representatives. He's not making that accusation,

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and there's a pretty obvious reason why. Oh yeah?

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Now, in terms of the rest of this, it's just a standard fraudulent retelling of the case.

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None of this is true. The whole story of the PR firm is bullshit, and Alex can't

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substantiate this, even when Elon directly asked him for the name of the firm.

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Yeah. Alex cites experts that he relied on to cover

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Sandy Hook, and it's professors in Florida and Wisconsin, school safety experts, all sorts of

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people. The professor in Florida is James Tracy, the one in Wisconsin is Jim Fetzer, and the safety

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expert is Wolfgang Helbig. This was his crew that he used to create the pretense that there was more

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credibility to the idea that Sandy Hook was a false flag. He knew then that they were crazy,

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he just didn't give a shit because they were useful. I would be very curious to know what

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things they said that he still thinks are true, because he just told Jimmy that.

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Yep. And I think if he was specific

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about it, he'd get sued again. I mean, no, he wouldn't. Why?

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He could. Why?

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Well, sure, why, but he could. I mean, yeah, but it's a little bit like,

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you know, why? Alex claims-

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Do it. I mean, all we're doing is making fucking Norm Pattis rich at this point.

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Well, I get what you're saying, but the reason that Alex isn't specific is because of that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I understand. I understand.

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So he also claims that he hadn't talked about Sandy Hook for two years when they sued him,

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but that's just absolutely false. He and Owen Schreier did coverage

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saying that Neil Hesseland was lying on Megyn Kelly's show when he said that he'd held his

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son's dead body, and that wasn't two years before he got sued.

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It's almost like there was a physical clip of that that was played.

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Oh, yeah. Jimmy Dore has no idea about the reality of any of this, so this kind of

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blatant lie is allowed to stand unchallenged. All of this is a lie, and because Jimmy is incompetent

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and wants to be cool with Alex, he's just letting the audience be exposed to this with no pushback.

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It's a pathetic relinquishing of any responsibility for the information that you are

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tacitly or explicitly endorsing to your audience. It's fucking bullshit.

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Yep, yeah. So Alex insists he gave

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over all the phones. All of it.

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And this leads to a pretty uncomfortable reality.

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So I'm like, yeah, my lawyer's messed up and did that. I had nothing to hide. I'm like,

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here's my three phones in the last seven years. I kept them. Take all the things off.

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And the best they got was my wife taking a dick pic of me that I never, I'm like,

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I never took a dick pic. And I'm like, look at that. I go, oh, my God, because remember

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that time you were asleep, I took a picture. And so they have a picture of my ding dong.

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So that's that's the type of weirdness that that goes on.

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Then the PR firms, after they won, came out and said they got bought by the biggest PR

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PR PR firm in the country right after that, that they were already big out of New York.

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Who were they?

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And they I forget the exact name if you want, I'll Google it.

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It's not the ones that try to do Rogan, is it? The scumbag, Midas Touch,

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Meisels Brothers. That's the ones who got that thing going at Rogan.

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Who is that guy?

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Spotify controversy because he mentioned Ivermectin. That's those guys.

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Yeah. I don't want to get it inside baseball because Joe's asked me not to.

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But let's just say you're hot.

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Fuck off.

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Yeah. So that other voice is Kurt Metzger, who's more or less Jimmy's co-host.

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Yeah, he's holy shit. What happened to Kurt Metzger?

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Well, he got in some hot water about

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God damn it. He actually was funny 15 years ago or something.

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There there were comedy pieces, comedy pieces, comedy.

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There were bits of his that I enjoyed.

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There was actual there was actual talent there.

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Also, Alex should probably be really upset that Kurt Metzger is there because he worked on

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the Borat show.

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That makes sense.

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This is America that Alex was so furious about.

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Oh, my God.

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Kurt Metzger was one of the writers for that. But now let's just ignore that.

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Oh, God.

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So I can't comment on Alex's dick pic, but I will say that he's lying.

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Yeah.

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Very much.

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Oh, no, no, no. That was that was self-taken, I believe.

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No comment.

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So I don't know if that's the worst thing on the phone.

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Probably the worst thing was Milly Weaver texting Alex on March 1st,

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2020 and saying, quote,

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I went and hung out with the groipers at a bar last night to find out some info about

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them.

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An intoxicated leader in their group close to Nick Fuentes told me, yes, Fuentes is anti-Semitic

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and most of them are.

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Alex replied, quote,

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It's a trap for sure.

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Two days later, Alex texted Milly an article from Paul Joseph Watson's site attacking

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Sebastian Gorka as the leader of Conservative Inc.

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And he said, please tweet this out.

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At the time, Nick Fuentes was in a heated feud with Gorka, and this was clearly an

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attempt to bolster Nick's side.

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And Milly saw through that.

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She told Alex, quote,

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I'm not promoting Nick Fuentes's attack Conservative Inc. talking points.

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Alex replied, quote,

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I get playing nice, but Gorka's bad news.

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Milly then said, quote,

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Gorka is a stick-up ass, but that's beside the point.

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Fuentes created his army of groipers, Goyim grippers, to destroy what he calls conservative

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Inc.

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He's creating terms.

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I'm not falling into the trap of using his terms.

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It only benefits the Democrats to get Conservatives infighting.

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Groipers also hate Israel and use Trump's support for Israel to drive people away from

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Trump.

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And yes, Nick is an anti-Semite.

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Anyway, the point is that Alex clearly knew what Nick was all about before cozying up

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to him and giving him a giant platform.

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Sure.

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I'd be more worried about that than a dick pic.

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Now, here we see someone ask Alex again for the name of the PR firm.

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And what do you know?

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He still doesn't remember it.

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Odd.

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These people supposedly hijacked five years of his life and dragged him through costly

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and humiliating court cases.

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But he has no idea who they are.

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Sounds believable.

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So Kurt Metzger asks him if it's the same people who tried to attack Rogan with that

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stuff about him being racist.

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Firstly, this is funny because Alex is taking credit for spreading around the video of Rogan

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saying racist shit like how a theater full of black people was like the Planet of the

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Apes.

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Back when Rogan wasn't gonna let Alex back on the show, Alex declared a holy war on him,

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and Alex started airing these clips on InfoWars around that time.

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Yeah.

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One of the founders of Midas Touch said in an interview with Barstool Sports that they

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got the clips that they posted from Alex airing them.

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But Metzger has given Alex a name that he hopes is the right one, so Alex does the most

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coward shit possible and says, you're hot.

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The noncommittal answer works perfectly here because Metzger will hear that as a yes, which

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gets Alex off the hook with, you know, because he doesn't have a name.

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On the flip side, because he's not technically saying yes, he doesn't have to worry about

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getting sued for very clear defamation.

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It also, it wasn't Midas Touch that Alex is talking about since they didn't exist until

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2020.

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I mean, this is ridiculous.

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But here's this super funny dynamic where Metzger is mad at something that Midas Touch

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did, but Alex actually did.

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Yeah.

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And Alex should be mad at Metzger because he wrote for Borat.

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It's like, these people should be so bad at each other, but they're advantageous to each

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other, so they just ignore that shit.

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This is what I'm talking about all the way back at the beginning.

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Bring it full circle.

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Trajectories seem weirder now.

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They just seem so much weirder.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Well, I guess downward is a trajectory.

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Yeah.

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So Alex goes on a bit of a coke rant here about how he's been vindicated by bankruptcy.

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That sounds right.

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And we know a three-letter agency used law firms.

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The top Democrat law firms in the country ran this.

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Law firms, PR firms, but it was the Justice Department.

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Listen to this in my bankruptcy.

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And they were done up to send an email.

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This is a year ago.

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The Justice Department sent an email to my famous bankruptcy lawyer here, and well-known,

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super respected, done some of the biggest bankruptcies in the country for like chemical

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giants.

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Prestigious.

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And says, Mr.

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Jones will not be afforded the bankruptcy system.

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This is a hurdle he will not get across.

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And then the Justice Department came into the case.

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And when I'm in these depositions, they have one to two federal agents in the room hoping

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to find something.

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And I've been so transparent, so real, all the bookkeeping checked out.

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Everything was true.

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Remember all the headlines?

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Alex Jones.

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He's got secret accounts.

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Alex Jones has offshore accounts.

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Alex Jones has hundreds of millions of dollars.

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You can go to Bloomberg.

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I was actually covering today.

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You go to the Connecticut News.

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Alex Jones is broke, sold his car and his guns and his basically wife's jewelry.

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I am $3 million in the hole right now.

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You can read them.

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Here's the headline.

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Alex Jones is broke and selling his stuff.

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Here's how he got there.

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Bloomberg.

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Alex Jones gets green light to sell his guns and cars.

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Bloomberg.

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They now admit that I'm $3 million in the hole.

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I was I was so again, I have under penalty of perjury all this.

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So now they flipped from, oh, we were wrong.

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He didn't hide $400 million to.

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Oh, sorry.

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Oh, they also sued my dad, my mom, my family.

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My dad spent his whole savings.

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Who was a dentist for 50, 49 years.

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My dad has no money.

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Can't even pay his property taxes.

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My dad spent a million and a half dollars in the last couple.

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And they think it's funny.

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They think it's funny.

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Claiming my dad had hidden money.

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I know I'm ranting.

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I'm going to shut up now.

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So and the and the reason why.

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So I had said that, well, first they come for Alex Jones and then they're going to come

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for us.

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If you're doing independent news and you're speaking against the wars, they're going to

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come for us.

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And so that's why you have to stand up right now.

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And of course, nobody at the Young Turks will ever go against the wars.

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They're always for the wars.

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Oh, my God.

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So again, none of this is real.

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Alex absolutely has money hidden around in various trusts.

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I mean, yeah, that's absurd.

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The Department of Justice didn't intervene in his bankruptcy the way he's saying, and

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no one sued his dad.

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Alex is claiming that they sued his dad because his dad is one of the owners of PQPR, one

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of the shell companies that's used by Infowars to sell supplements.

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He was likely interviewed about this, and Alex is blowing it all out of proportion because

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he can tell these idiots are buying his story.

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And same is true of his mom.

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I don't remember if it's PQPR or PJR Trust or whatever, one of those other ones.

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His mom is like a most owner of one of those two.

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But after all of that, after all of that, that whole entire woe is me rant, Jimmy still

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needs to come in and stress that he defended Alex to the Young Turks.

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It's just insane.

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These two deserve each other.

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Yeah, yeah, it is fun because we've seen a bunch of different examples of conflict with

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Alex in this one kind of episode here, right?

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So we've got the initial conflict, we got the spitting and how that was stupid, right?

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Then we've got the next conflict, which is a man versus how much man can lick another

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man's butthole.

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That's a classic, you know, man versus nature and so on.

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Then you've got your conflict with Alex where you'd be like, here, if we're going to talk,

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the conflict that makes sense is just focusing on this thing, right?

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And it really feels like there's no conflict with Alex that makes sense.

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No, and the reason that I would choose the one that I would choose is because you kind

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of have to just give up on anything meaning anything.

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Yeah, exactly.

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If you're going to talk to him.

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No, it is fascinating.

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It's all full of shit and the only way to have any kind of conversation is entirely

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on his turf, but just explore that turf.

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Yeah, it is fascinating because I think Alex has truly reduced conversation down to the

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Marshall, you know, like there is only physical conversation with Alex.

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There can never be any kind of auditory or mental exchange that will affect his behavior.

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True.

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There can be conversation, but it doesn't matter.

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Right.

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Well, that's what I'm saying.

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I'm not saying like, oh, we should fight him.

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I'm just saying that it's fascinating because he has done this.

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Right, and the evidence of no use in fighting him comes also from this with Jimmy spitting

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on him.

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It plays into his propaganda games.

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Yeah.

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There is no upside to engagement with him.

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Honestly, he's a black hole.

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He's truly a black hole that creates gravity and sucks it into nothingness.

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Yep.

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Wow.

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So, um, look, Alex is realizing again, Jimmy's still being fucking needy and he needs some

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kind of playcation.

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So he decides we should probably resolve this whole thing about the Tucker.

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Sure.

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You know how you defended me.

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You did it.

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You're a good boy.

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So, yeah, you were big back in the time you defended me.

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You were big.

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You're gigantic now.

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So it's kind of fair.

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What Tucker said is no huge show defended Jones.

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Wrong.

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I'll fight him.

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I'll fight him right now.

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I'll fucking fight him right now from you.

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And then it immediately went to journalists and then it went to leading journalists.

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Then it went to the leading doctors and scientists in their field.

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And then it went to the former president of the United States.

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They banned everybody.

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So those are just Alex Jones.

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They they banned anybody and everybody, including anybody who had any counter narrative to the

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establishment narrative around war, around covid, around lockdowns, around January 6th,

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around anything, anybody who had anything to say that the CIA, the FBI and the establishment

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didn't want them to say they banned, they censored and they discredited.

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And I've I've been I've I've firsthand to have knowledge of that.

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You know what the one of the first bullshit testing on who we can do this to was a gamer

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gate.

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There's people that work in real journalism.

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Wow.

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They still bring that up like that was a real thing.

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It was the exact same kind of bullshit.

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I don't media do it to me for a week.

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Well, there we go.

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Now we know why Kurt's here.

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Then he got me too later.

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That piece of shit.

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Hilarious.

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We also know why Kurt's here.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So you might notice that the list of things that Jimmy thinks people get banned from social

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media for having counter narratives to the establishment, it's mostly really understandable

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stuff.

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And you can kind of see why platforms wouldn't want people spreading misinformation about

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them on their sites.

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Yeah.

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When Jimmy says about war, he's not talking about something like the Iraq war.

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He's talking about people supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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Misinformation about COVID led to an uncalculable number of unnecessary infections and deaths.

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January 6th was people storming the Capitol and trying to overthrow the government.

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So it makes sense that a site wouldn't want people celebrating that or lying about it

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on the platform.

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But here's the thing.

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You could do all that stuff and not get banned.

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Yeah.

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There may be some cases of individuals who've gotten the boot from one side or the other

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because of their actions, but swing through social media, find plenty of support for Russia's

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war effort, plenty of COVID denialism, and plenty of people saying January 6 was good.

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Mm hmm.

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When your actions around these topics might jeopardize the site's ability to sell ads,

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then you might get in trouble.

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But that's less about censoring your dangerous opinions and more about money being more important

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than principles, which shouldn't be a foreign territory for Jimmy.

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Also, what Kurt Metzger is talking about is his pretty unhinged series of posts on Facebook

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defending a guy named Aaron Glazer, who had been accused of sexual assault and rape by

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a number of women, which led to him being banned from performing at the UCB theater.

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It wasn't that he was arrested or locked up without any investigation or evidence.

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It was that a theater chose not to associate him with him over the allegations that really

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pissed Metzger off.

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So he posted a bunch of dumb shit online about it to the point where his boss, Amy Schumer,

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had to come out and denounce his actions.

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She made some comments about the situation when she was interviewed by Charlie Rose,

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which is why Metzger is projecting his anger onto Rose instead of Schumer, who presumably

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could still aid his career in some way.

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So that's what's going on with him.

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That makes sense.

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That is probably a big part of the answer of why he's here.

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I was going to say, yeah, no.

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It is fascinating, that kind of dark mirror version of a point of view on Gamergate is

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the rational view is like, oh, Gamergate is the proto version of what we see play out

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over and over and over again online now.

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Sure. And the irrational view is like,

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Gamergate wasn't even real, man.

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That's why we see keep playing out over and over and over again.

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It's like, that's an interesting, uh, your insane way to view things.

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But it is.

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It is interesting.

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Yeah.

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Rock on, Kurt.

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Yeah.

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Good luck, buddy.

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So Jimmy asks, why did they need to take you down, man?

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That is a good question.

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Why did they need it?

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Right.

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And so Alex has a source on this.

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So do you think the reason why they went after you so hard and they

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and had to take you down, they had to do all this nefarious stuff, twist your words to

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take you down was so that they could set a precedent, so they knew what was coming,

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so they knew that they were going to want to censor anybody and everybody.

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And so they had to have somebody to start with.

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And that's what that was.

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I actually know this and I always forget the name of the article because I don't usually

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subscribe to stuff, but I had to get behind a paywall to find it about six months before

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I got deplatformed in August of 2018, when Tim Cook literally held a powwow meeting.

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He admitted and decided to curate me and they wouldn't even say why.

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Then they gave some fake reasons later, not Sandy Hook.

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I remember six months before that, I don't remember the exact Wall Street Journal headline,

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but there was another article about it called Hold on to your tinfoil hat, Alex Jones.

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It was a gizmodo.

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Hold on to your tinfoil hat, Alex Jones.

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You're about to be you're about to be taken off the air.

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And then it was a synopsis of the Wall Street Journal.

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This Wall Street Journal article was one of those articles for the corporate elite.

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And so it was like 25 pages long.

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I go subscribe to it and I forget the exact headline.

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And it was NATO meeting with the tech heads in Europe.

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Don't take that tone with me, Jimmy.

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That was Kurt.

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Okay, fine.

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News Corps splits and sells its entertainment division.

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We're still going to be popular.

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This was to the shareholders of News Corps through the Wall Street Journal that they

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actually also own on the news division when it split.

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And so I'm reading this 20 something page article and it says,

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soon the Internet will be like cable TV.

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I think they use Netflix as an example.

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You'll have a thousand channels maybe, but that'll be it.

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We're not going to let people go to all these old sites and alternative sites.

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And we're going to do it by going after Assange when the left doesn't stand up for him and

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the journalists don't.

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We'll have the left.

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Then we're demonizing Alex Jones.

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He's a horrible person.

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When we then take him off the air and the right wing doesn't stand up because they don't

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want to be next.

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Then when we take off the next person, the next person, the next person, it's human nature.

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No one will stand up and we'll take them all liberals and conservatives.

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And I've got to find that article again.

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Yeah, man, he should really find that article.

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Sounds important.

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Oh my God.

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So I love the way this started with Jimmy asking that question.

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He was basically restating Alex's entire premise and then just turning it into a question.

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He was like saying, could you please ramble some more about this?

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Yeah, it's good for like increasing your word count on an eighth grade hamburger essay,

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but maybe not if you're a professional.

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It doesn't really get anywhere.

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No.

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So that article that Alex is talking about, the one with the headline,

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hold onto your tinfoil hat, Alex Jones, YouTube is coming for you,

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wasn't about Alex getting kicked off YouTube.

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It was about YouTube announcing a plan to address misinformation where they would put

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a label on conspiracy content to distinguish it from actual news.

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Almost like community notes.

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Kind of.

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At the time, they were also planning to add labels to channels that were state-run outlets,

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but that wasn't really relevant to the Alex part.

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This wasn't directly about Alex, but his name was in the headline because he was the most

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high-profile example of an online shithead who'd been really successful in gaming algorithms

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to boost his content while pretending to be a news show.

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And a solid clickbait headline.

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That article actually links to the Wall Street Journal article that Alex is mentioning,

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and the headline of that one is YouTube takes aim at conspiracies propaganda,

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with the subheadline, quote, Google unit to provide more context around some videos.

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You may be surprised to learn that it's not 25 pages long.

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It's more like one and a half.

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You might be further surprised to learn that literally all of the details Alex is rattling

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off are not in that article, and he's making it all up.

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It's pretty easy to elicit wows from idiots when you just make sensational shit up,

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which is what's happening here.

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Yeah.

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The article is just about YouTube making changes to its search function to prioritize

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credible outlets, particularly in the breaking news category.

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There's nothing in it about NATO or News Corps or anything about the internet being

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like Netflix.

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There's nothing about Assange or attempts to capture the left and right.

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This is all just Alex's fantasy.

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And because Kurt and Jimmy are idiots, they're just letting Alex spout this off as if it's

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backed up by a real document.

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They're in pretty far over their heads, but they don't realize it.

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And I think they don't care.

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I think they like it.

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That tone of voice for the pronunciation of wow is reserved for the fucking Grand Canyon

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and the Aurora Borealis and not a goddamn word that comes out of Alex's mouth.

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How dare you?

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It's easy to blow minds when you make stuff up and demand that everyone take you at your

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word.

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It's pretty simple.

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For critical thinkers, this is sad.

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For how much we've done this, it is still surprising to me that this shit works.

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Yeah.

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Still.

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Because time is supposed to change things.

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And if you move forward in time, generally speaking, things become more familiar.

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And yet somehow.

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Well, I think that on some level, people in the space that Jimmy exists in don't care

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or know a lot about the reality of Alex.

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Period.

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So they know about like, hey, this guy gets a lot of attention.

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He seems to have similar vibes to us about not liking the establishment.

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Yeah.

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Let's talk to him and let's not figure out what he actually says.

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And then he thinks that God gave him a mission and he's fighting the literal devil.

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Isn't Jimmy supposed to be a big atheist?

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You would think you would think weird.

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I mean, and again, I think it returns back to the like, removing things down to the Marshall.

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He's removed content.

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You know, like when people get Alex Jones, you are not interested in listening to the

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show.

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You're not interested in hearing what Alex has to say.

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You don't think you don't believe Alex will have another prediction like 9-11, even if

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you like him.

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The whole thing is a perception and a way of communicating with people who aren't Alex

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that you're cool.

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It's signaling.

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It is virtue in some ways.

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Amazing.

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So Alex continues to lie about this Wall Street Journal article, and then Jimmy asks a brilliant

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follow up.

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Okay.

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But it was a 20 something page battle diagram.

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So I go on air with it and I say, I'm about to be taken off because that was a high level

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article, not for pop culture, but for real business people to invest in News Corp when

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they split their entertainment division and they explained we're going to end freedom

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on the Internet and we're going to use this punk to do it.

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So it wasn't that I was that important.

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I was big, sure.

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And I was populous and they fear that.

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And I was uncontrolled.

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But they chose me because I did do clownish stuff a lot, and I still do.

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I have fun.

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I'm on the air four hours a day.

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And so I was just chosen as patient zero along with Julian Assange.

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It was me and Julian is who is in the article, and it's very cold blooded.

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So, yes, they admit that I was the first domino.

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And the feds tried to take your cat, right?

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Were you able to keep them?

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It's actually true.

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My wife, the cat's like four years old now.

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We got for my now six year old daughter.

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She wanted a cat.

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The other cat we love so much had snuck out of the house and got down the street.

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Got run over.

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I don't believe it.

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So you can see the hosting chops on Jimmy Dore here.

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Alex just spouted minutes worth of bullshit about this 27 page Wall Street Journal battle

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plan to destroy free speech on the Internet involving NATO and CIA operatives.

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Jimmy's follow up is what the feds wanted to take Alex's cat in his bankruptcy.

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Jimmy's a big free speech guy.

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Shouldn't he be super curious about this article?

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Shouldn't he want all the details about it?

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If real, like if it was real, this is a smoking gun kind of thing.

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It seems like the only reason someone in his position wouldn't pursue this line of questioning

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further is if you knew damn well that what Alex is saying is bullshit and that any further

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examination of it would reveal that.

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Whereas if you just don't reveal that, works pretty well.

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Works pretty well for your anti-system kind of presentation.

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Yeah.

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It's very suspicious.

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Yeah, that is a question along the lines of like, and now after the war in Iraq, cats

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are they having a good day today?

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We'll be back.

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Yeah.

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That cat thing was media bait that Alex's wife posted on Twitter.

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She made a video of Alex holding his cat saying the Department of Justice wanted to take his

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cat, but the reality is just that he listed his cat in his rundown of personal possession.

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So any questioning about the cat's value was just them going down that list and asking

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about the items that were on it.

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No one is going to seize his cat, but this is a fun narrative for Jimmy to throw out.

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Low stakes and has the vibe of creating the image of tyrannical oppression and paints

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Alex as a woe is me victim in the whole thing, which is pretty much what Jimmy seems to want,

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which is great.

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Which to me, it seems like there's the simplest conversation to have with Alex about that.

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The real question I think would actually prejudice people against Alex better than any of his

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other beliefs, which is just Alex, you listed your cat as a physical monetary item.

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So is it alive or is it just cash to you?

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Because I would never in a million years put either Fanny or Jake on a goddamn list.

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As a possession.

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Valuing them?

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Yeah.

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As what?

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What value do you put a monetary value on your cat?

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Sure.

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That's nuts to me.

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It is. And then also the fact that he's like, it costs about $2,000.

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Yeah.

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That's a expensive cat.

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All number of things are crazy about this.

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That's a very expensive cat.

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Too much?

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Yeah.

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Everything about this is nuts.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I'm going to skip around a little bit here because there's clips, like he talks about

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how all of his family was in the CIA and shit and all the involved in Iran Contra and stuff

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and tells a story about a family member who got recruited and all this, but doesn't mention

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that it's his dad.

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It's weird.

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It doesn't specify that it's his dad.

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Smartest boy in Texas.

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But he just retells that story and it's exhausting.

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Right.

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And so we get to some actual like meat on bones.

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And Jimmy is a big pro-Russia guy.

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Sure.

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Which is couched in anti-war stuff.

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Wild.

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So he asks Alex about the Ukraine situation and here's what Alex gives him.

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What do you say to this?

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What have you told your viewers about Ukraine?

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Well, I've told them the exact same thing.

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You've said, because it's the truth.

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If you go back to nine years ago, the Victoria Nuland got caught on a release tape.

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She didn't deny it.

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The ambassador to the EU saying, screw the EU, screw what they want.

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We're going to basically start a war.

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And then seven years ago, a few years after that overthrow and that coup where they attacked

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the government, killed all the police and burned down buildings and install their new

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leader that was no more anti-Russia, they then had a CNN report with Fareed Zarkaria,

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where George Soros went on there and bragged that he got $5 billion from the State Department

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and had done the coup a few years before.

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And then US troops and advisors began to come into the country and train the Ukrainian death

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squads because, you know, the country split between Slavic and kind of Germanic groups.

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That was a split in World War II.

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But it's still where Russia was founded a thousand years ago and is mainly Slavic.

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But Euro's been pushing the Russians for hundreds of years, basically back towards the Russian

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border.

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And so they began to attack those 99 percent Russian areas.

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And Putin kept saying, stop doing it, stop doing it, stop doing it.

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And he said, if you try to bring them into NATO, I'm going to take Crimea, which he then

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did a few years later.

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And he said, I'm going to take the Donbass reasons and Donets and some of those other

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areas there on the western border, forcibly take is also known as a security zone.

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And so it was a provocation by NATO.

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I'm not defending Russia.

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I'm not a Russia file.

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No, I have studied the history of it.

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And then I knew that's how I was able to predict in October, two years ago.

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Plus, before the Russians went in February, that there would be a war in that area that

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Putin would go in by February if he was going to.

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Because that was the intel I got from people I know in the military whose sons were over

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there already training Ukrainians and they knew it was coming.

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And so when the Russians lied and said, we're not going to invade a few weeks before, and

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the Reuters reporter confronted the State Department CIA guy and said, you're Alex Jones

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now, claiming the Russians are going to do a false flag and invade or whatever.

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But I was saying, no, no, the Russians are going to go in.

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That's exactly the opposite of what he was saying.

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So leaving aside the immense levels of bullshit that Alex is spewing, just towing the Putin

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narrative line about the war, this is a disgraceful attempt on Alex's part to rewrite his own

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history and coverage of the war.

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First things first, Alex said very specifically that Russia was not going to go into Ukraine.

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He said that in the days before the invasion started because he was trying to run cover

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against all the people who said that Putin was going to invade.

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Alex watched an entire speech Putin gave on air and said that Putin just wanted Ukraine

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and Russia to get along and do business together.

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He wasn't trying to fight.

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When Putin lied and said he wasn't going in, Alex defended it and said that the people

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who claimed he was going to invade were evil globalists trying to stir up war.

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Then the war actually started, and Alex said that it was just going to be in the Donbass

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region, that Putin was only interested in defending those states that he was recognizing

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as independent.

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Alex said this because it was what Putin said he was doing, despite everyone warning that

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it was absolutely not what the plan was.

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And then the war was really kicking off.

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Alex said that the Ukrainian military and Zelensky were on Putin's payroll and the whole

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thing was a charade.

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Russia would come in and the Ukrainian military would surrender immediately and that it would

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all be over in 48 hours.

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All of this is a fraudulent retelling of his coverage, meant to retroactively make himself

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look like a brilliant analyst of world affairs.

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Alex has to lie about his past statements in order to make people think that they should

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take what he's saying in the present seriously.

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If you fall for this, like Jimmy and Kurt clearly are, you're a mark.

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And if you allow Alex to present this unchallenged on your show, you're essentially lending your

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credibility that you've built with your audience to Alex to make the audience think that they

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should look at him as a brilliant analyst.

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And that prediction that he had in that October was mostly about China, not really about Russia

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invading Ukraine.

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Boy.

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Oh, boy.

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Yeah, but I mean, at least if China does invade Taiwan, we won't have to deal with that being

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a problem either, you know?

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Alex definitely won't claim that he had credit on everything.

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Well, he predicted that too.

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He predicts everything.

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He predicts everything.

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So we get off this topic and get into a little bit more gossipy, shitting on Bill Maher type

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news.

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Sure.

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I mean, that's always fun.

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I'm glad that has no ideology anymore.

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I'm glad we can all just agree Bill Maher's a piece of shit.

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So here we go with that.

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Now, I used to be a big fan of Bill Maher's.

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And so Bill Maher recently said that, now, it's been clear to me since I started doing

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this show that Bill Maher is ignorant on purpose, right?

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Either he's mind controlled.

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So what are you?

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Or he's ignorant on purpose.

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Because it's just so obvious.

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Strategically.

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That's interesting.

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If I have access to this information, a guy who works at HBO with a million dollar staff,

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he also has access to this information.

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And he's either mind controlled.

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So listen what Roseanne asked him this question.

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This is very interesting.

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No wonder I don't remember this.

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No shit.

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You blocked it out, MK Ultra.

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Who's that?

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Bill Maher doesn't know who, who's that?

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And I don't think that's a joke.

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I think he's, do you, do you mean Martin Luther King Ultra?

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Is that what he thinks?

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It's unbelievable.

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Can you believe he pretends not to know what MK Ultra is?

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Or do you think he really doesn't know?

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Or do you think he's actually a victim of it?

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So I think Jimmy is actually suggesting that he's mind controlled, which is fun.

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But I think maybe you're having a bad interview with Roseanne and you make a bad joke.

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To fuck with her a little bit or to deflect or, or whatever.

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And now Jimmy's making a bad joke about your bad joke.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is dark.

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Using it to imply that Bill Maher is mind controlled MK Ultra.

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It's a little, it's a little much.

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It is, it is a visceral and, and like perfect metaphorical version of humor swirling down

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at the drain.

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Yeah.

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You know, like it is that start with a bad joke.

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The turd just keeps spinning around the bowl and that it's Jimmy Dore.

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Taking it seriously.

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Like it means something like he's mind controlled.

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Oh my God.

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So a little more on Bill Maher here.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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He also said he doesn't know who Klaus Schwab is I think in the same interview.

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Yes.

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Here, here, let me, let me play it.

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Here it is.

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Shut up, Kurt.

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The mind control program you're under, Bill.

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So who's, who's Klaus Schwab?

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The head of the W-E-F.

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What's that?

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This is, this is mind-blowing to me.

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He doesn't know who the people are.

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He doesn't know what MK-

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Who are you?

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Who are you on?

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The Igor of Klaus Schwab.

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So not long ago, Bill had on someone named Bella Thorne on his podcast and she was offended

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because he mocked her pronouns.

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So who the fuck is Bella Thorne?

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She's a 26 year old actress who unlike Klaus Schwab, the W-E-F, MK Ultra, that's someone

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who Bill actually has heard of.

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So he's heard of some no-name actress nobody's ever heard of, but he's never heard of MK

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Ultra, W-E-F, or Klaus Schwab.

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Boy, he is the smartest guy in the room as long as this, the room is filled with dumb

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shit libs.

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Am I right?

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Well, well, that's right.

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And now he's trying to act like he's more populous because he knows people are waking

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up.

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Look, he's not stupid.

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Wait, so he's not gone patriot then, because I think Alex had not too long ago said that

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Bill Maher had come out as a patriot and he was, he was on the good side.

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I'm so tired.

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Shifting allegiances.

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I'm so tired.

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I think that maybe it was a glib question.

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I think I would be, I would not be surprised if Bill Maher maybe wasn't in the front of

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his mind knowing who Klaus Schwab is.

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And I think that what's going on here is that Jimmy and Kurt and Alex live in a world that

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is freakishly obsessed with Klaus Schwab and conspiracies around him, much like they used

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to be with Soros.

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And maybe people who don't live inside that bubble, maybe they don't know who Klaus Schwab

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is because they're not worried about being made to eat the bugs.

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They haven't heard the parody song covers of Klaus Schwab.

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This is, I mean, it's, it's a world that they live in that is full of shit.

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And they're so surprised that other people don't share that reality with them.

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I would bet that Bill Maher knows what the World Economic Forum is, or has at least heard

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of it, but maybe the initials don't immediately strike him.

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Sure.

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Well, I mean, I'm trying to think of like pre this show, you know, we were both fairly

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politically aware.

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You know, I don't think I would have a reason to be aware of Klaus Schwab name wise.

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If somebody was going to, you know, pre the show, if somebody was like, oh, the World

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Economic Forum, I'd be like, okay, cool.

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And it'd be the head of the World Economic Forum.

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I'd be like, who's that?

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And they'd be like, Klaus Schwab.

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And I'd be like, gotcha.

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Now I know the name of the position of the thing I know.

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Now, it's interesting you bring that up, because Alex never brought up Klaus Schwab until like

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2020 either.

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So he didn't have any.

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So weird.

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Yeah.

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So weird.

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It's just that he is the great boogeyman villain of this season of conspiracy culture.

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And these people engage in that.

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And that's where they get their attention from.

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That's where they get their money from.

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And so Klaus Schwab is, anybody who's not heard of him is a lunatic, or maybe they're

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under mind control.

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Yeah.

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He's the most evil guy in the room, unless he's around a bunch of shit libs.

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Am I right?

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I was a professional comedian for a while.

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That's how hard it is.

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Now, the reality is that Bill Maher is playing dumb, and Alex explains it.

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I don't believe, no, he's playing dumb, because he knows these are the things you don't talk

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about.

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I mean, come on, if the W.E.F. and Klaus Schwab were real, I'm sure Bill Maher would

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have heard about it.

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What is funny about that?

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No, everyone stop.

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Just 10 years ago, they would have New York Times articles saying Alex Jones feverishly

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was having a schizoid event in Virginia outside a hotel conference center, imagining there

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were men with sunglasses and helicopters.

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Meanwhile, the king of Spain's there, the head of the Defense Department, Henry Kissinger,

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world leaders, they had Marines on top the building with State Department security, literal

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black helicopters, we got video of, okay, it's in my film Endgame and others.

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And then the New York Times reviewed a film I was in called The New World Order and said

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it did not exist.

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Now, by then, the Bilderberg Group was set up after World War Two, between what was left

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of the Nazis and the UK and America to kind of reconstitute Europe and the Marshall Plan.

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Their own documents have been released by the Congressional Records Office.

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This is an official proof, but they wouldn't cover it, and they would say it wasn't real,

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even though the Bilderberg Group, as of 15 years ago, went public, started putting out

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press releases about who would be there, but that it's secret, okay?

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People didn't say the Bilderberg Group didn't exist.

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They just said that people like Alex and his predecessors, like outright Nazi Big Jim Tucker

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and noted lunatic Westbrook Pregler, were just kind of making shit up about what the

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group was.

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The group operates under Chatham House rules, where there's an understanding of privacy,

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which allows participants to speak freely without the worry that things that they say

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will end up in the press.

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Tons of organizations use this setup because if you didn't, you'd essentially never be

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able to have any kind of meeting between people in high-stakes positions that led to any actual

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conversations.

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It's not always, it doesn't always mean that they're planning the end of the world.

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Right, right, right, right.

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You know how a lot of people are pissed off and they're like, ah, I hate it whenever I

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listen to these people talking.

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They never cut through the bullshit.

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And it's like, well, but yeah, I mean, if you weren't listening, they would probably

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be able to.

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If there was an expectation of privacy, there's a lot of less manicured speech, perhaps.

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Because of this privacy structure to their meetings, people like Jim Tucker and Alex

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and Daniel Estelen were able to create whatever image they wanted about what went on there.

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It was a place where privacy was respected, so they were free to fill in the blanks with

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whatever worked for their purposes.

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People weren't saying that the group didn't exist.

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They were criticizing this lazy propaganda strategy that these folks were using.

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Also known as saying that Alex was losing his mind in that hotel because he said there

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was a group of global leaders happening there, they were making fun of him because he got

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all worked up and paranoid about how the globalists had pulled the fire alarm at his hotel to

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smoke him out and to make sure that he couldn't do his interview on Coast to Coast AM.

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Ah, that was fun.

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People were mocking his desperate grab for attention and his intense paranoia.

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But it's much better to present it this way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It was fun whenever he had to go outside, though, and do that little interview.

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Yeah.

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The globalists are trying to stop me from talking to George and RE.

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Yeah, it was fun.

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Yeah.

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That was fun.

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I'll give him that one.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has a little tidbit about Bilderberg here that should give you pause for trusting

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him.

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All right.

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Well, the first meeting in Washington, D.C., it was maybe a year or two ago.

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And Max Blumenthal from the gray zone went and covered it.

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And that's how I know for sure it's for a real thing.

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And he documented the people who were there and the people who were coming in and out.

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Yeah, they meet they meet three years in three years in a row in Europe.

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And then every fourth year they meet in Chantilly, Virginia, at this.

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They mean like five star places.

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This place is nice.

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I've stayed there before they got in there.

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It's like a four star giant conference center surrounded by defense contractors Raytheon

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and Lockheed Martin.

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I mean, literally, it's a conference center with a golf course so they can play golf because

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they play golf the fourth day.

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Oh, they play golf.

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They play golf the fourth day like God.

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So you can get the sense of how well Alex knows his subject here by how he whiffs on

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a really basic piece of information.

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He says they meet in Europe three years and then every fourth year Bilderberg is in Chantilly,

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Virginia.

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And that is not true.

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All of their 69 meetings, ha ha, held since 1954, four have been in Chantilly.

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Alex has just decided that this is the pattern that the Bilderberg group keeps because it

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was true for a short period of time back when he spent more time covering them.

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So it's just burned into his memory.

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The only stretch of time where this pattern holds is that in 2008 they were in Chantilly,

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then Greece, Spain, Switzerland, then back to Chantilly in 2012.

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At that point, they were a huge part of Alex's conspiracy world.

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So that three years in Europe, then back to Chantilly, that must be their entire routine

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as opposed to just the stretch when he was actually paying attention to them and covering

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them more.

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Before he got lost in other sorts of conspiracy shit, Trump became such a big thing, a lot

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of Soros stuff, and now Klaus Schwab in the WEF.

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So it's actually once every 12.25 years that they go to Chantilly, Virginia.

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But not technically, but yeah, if you did the math, yeah.

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But it doesn't hold.

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We're not going to do it.

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Hey, listen, guys.

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Sorry, we're at the 12.25 year one, so we've got to meet in...

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Nope.

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Alex is just... It is interesting that he takes his subjective experience and then makes

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it objective.

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You know, this four year stretch, this was the pattern that happened, and therefore I

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extrapolate that out to that is their rules, this is how they work.

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It is fun whenever it turns into a thing that he believes is real.

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He made a sand castle and then took it away from the beach and was like, no, no, no, you

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don't understand.

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This is a real castle.

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This is a real castle that I'm talking to you about right now, and you're like, no,

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it's just sand, man.

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You got to stop.

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You got to go home.

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You should.

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Yeah.

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So Jimmy has a complaint about Mark Zuckerberg, and I should say it's an old complaint.

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He's reading off a seven year old article here.

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Good stuff.

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But it's really just a launching pad.

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No.

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The new mafia, Silicon Valley, the WEF, the military industrial complex.

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Look at this story.

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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook of the future will be powered by telepathic thoughts.

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Facebook users, and this is according to him, Facebook users in the future will share telepathic

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thoughts and feelings to each other.

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Mark Zuckerberg claims you're going to just be able to capture a thought, what you're

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thinking or feeling in kind of its ideal and perfect form in your head, and be able to

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share that with the world in a format they can get that.

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He called on people to think less in nations, but as a citizen of a global community using

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innovations and technology for progress, this well, this sounds like exactly what every

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person who was claimed was deemed a conspiracy theorist.

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Here it is.

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Here's the head of Silicon Valley, the head of Facebook, Instagram, the billionaire himself,

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Mark Zuckerberg, saying, hey, don't think of just like, you know, you remember that

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movie Network where Ned Beatty gave that speech where he says, remember that countries, there

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are only companies in the international transfer of dollars and you have upset the natural

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order of the transfer of dollars and you must atone.

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That's what this he's saying right there.

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He's giving the Ned Beatty speech.

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He's saying there are no countries.

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There are only companies.

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You have meddled with the title forces of both of these guys so all three.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I forgot.

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Kurt's there.

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Kurt, shut up.

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You're on your little bitty 18 inch screen and you talk about nations and borders and

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peoples.

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There are no nations.

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There are no borders.

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There are no peoples.

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There are only the men.

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And that's actually the globalist speech.

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You know, I've actually been in boardrooms similar to that and those are off record meetings.

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They were trying to get me to join News Corp and trying to get me 15 years ago to go to

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Fox and meetings like, listen, this is all over.

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It's a corporate global system, Alex.

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You'll have more in effect joining us.

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Come work with us.

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Is Jimmy upset about the global community thing or the telepathy thing?

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Because if it's a telepathy thing, you should tell the audience that was something Zuckerberg

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said in 2016.

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It is definitely not coming.

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Yeah.

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It would be good to maybe contextualize this point by bringing up that Elon Musk wants

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to put chips in people's heads that allow them to telepathically communicate with their

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devices.

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But he's good.

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He's cool.

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Yeah.

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So if it's the global community thing, what's the point of the telepathy part of the story?

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You could find a hundred other instances of someone like Zuckerberg saying that we live

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in a global community.

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I think this may have just been an excuse to talk about network because all of these

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ding dongs are obsessed with thinking they're Howard Beale.

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They just love that shit.

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They think that's them.

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Oh, I'm the one taking the stand.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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Also, if they all memorize that speech, just, and I mean, seriously, I'm fine with that.

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It's a great speech.

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But if you're thinking about it and being like, Oh, look at how great that speech was.

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Like think about that speech is about 50, 60 years old now, nothing has changed since

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that speech.

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Maybe that speech didn't mean fuck all.

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Even if you did love it so much, now you're just giving up.

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I'm not giving up.

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They maybe don't do a goddamn Howard Beale speech like you're the coolest dude ever who's

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fighting a revolution.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I find it hollow.

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Yeah.

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Just a little bit.

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So Elon Musk also wants to put chips in people's brains, but Alex has some inside baseball

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about him buying Twitter.

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I always thought Twitter seemed like a crazy, big, crazy brain.

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When you look at the whole thing and I'm like, Oh, how do we know Twitter's not already alive?

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No, no, no, no, that's the secret.

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Elon Musk is using it to program his AI grok.

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And so they took everybody else off the internet cause Google's training its system and didn't

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want anybody like us on there.

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I've been told this by high level people leaving it at that.

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And so yes, Musk actually bought Twitter to promote his stuff and politically be involved.

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But the real reason is to program his AI.

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I think a really fun exercise would be anytime Alex says, I'll leave it at that.

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You say, no, no, you're not going to leave it at that.

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No, but no, I mean, I'm going to leave it at that.

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Okay.

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No, we're not moving on.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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So yeah.

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Why does Elon Musk want to train an AI?

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What is that about?

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Seems suspicious.

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Anyway, I think that Kurt Metzger being like, Hey, I always thought of Twitter as a big

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brain.

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Maybe it's alive.

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It's like, this is a fucking knockoff.

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Rogan.

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What is going on here?

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Wow.

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This is fucking terrible.

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This is Rogan.

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Yeah.

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Deep thoughts.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's what's funny to me about AI.

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What I always appreciate about it, uh, cause it's always tied up with rich tech people

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too.

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You know, that whole combination of things is it's so much like God, you know, for all

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of these people, it is so strange how this superior, infinite power behaves and exactly

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like you and thinks exactly the way you do.

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Grock maybe, maybe you're an idiot.

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Grock.

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Just throwing that out there.

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So, you know, there are a lot of really rich people that like AI and stuff.

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Sure.

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And one of them, Tony stark.

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Oh God.

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Jarvis.

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All right.

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So, all right, let's do it then.

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Let's go.

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What, what, what movie are we doing this time?

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That's not actually, that's not actually where this is going.

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Oh, okay.

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But bring it up because you know, I think in the movie of iron man, people think it's

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really cool the way he's got that like sort of use his mind to connect to the computer

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and stuff.

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Yeah.

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People enjoy it.

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They're not in the real world that could be used for negative powers, right?

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And so some of that technology is stuff that there are advancements being made on.

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And this creates a lot of really complicated questions.

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And so there was a video from the world economic forum conference, the 2023 Davos conference

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that explored some of this idea.

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Right.

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And so now that's going to be used as a harsh conspiracy on the part of Jimmy and Kurt is

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bewildered.

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Man, I hate Kurt.

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Here's something that's even creepier.

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So Mark Zuckerberg says that this is going to happen in the future.

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Who's here?

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Well, here's the WEF telling you that it's already here.

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So this is a, this is about a two, two, maybe a three minute video and watch what they have

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to say.

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This is mind blowing.

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Sensing your joy, your playlist shifts to your favorite song, sending chills up your

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spine as the music begins to play.

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You glance at the program running in the background on your computer screen and notice a now familiar

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site that appears whenever you're overloaded with pleasure, your theta brainwave activity

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decreasing in the temporal regions of your brain.

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You mentally move the cursor to the left and scroll through your brain data over the past

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few hours.

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You can see your stress levels rising as the deadline to finish your memo approached causing

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a peak in your beta brainwave activity right before an alert popped up telling you to take

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a brain break.

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Your mind starts to wander to the new colleague on your team whom you know you shouldn't be

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daydreaming about given the policy against intra office romance.

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Hey guys, should we make this video fantasizing?

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Just a little.

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You're still going to let her, Oh, we're just going to do the voiceover notice your amorous

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feelings when she checks your brain, maybe it's bad and shift your attention back to

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the present.

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You breathe a sigh of relief when she sends you later that day.

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Congratulate you on your brain, which have earned you another performance bonus.

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When you arrive at work the next day, a somber cloud has fallen over the office along with

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emails, text messages, and GPS location data.

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The government has subpoenaed employees brainwave data from the past year if compelling evidence

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that one of your coworkers has committed massive wire fraud.

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Now they're looking for his co-conspirators.

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You discover they are looking for synchronized brain activity between your coworker and the

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people he has been working with.

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While you know you're innocent of any crime, you've been secretly working with him on a

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new startup mentor.

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Shaking you remove your earbuds.

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What do you think?

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Is it a future you're ready for?

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You may be surprised to learn that it's a future that has already arrived.

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Yeah.

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When I saw this, it was six months old.

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Like at the end of Watchmen, we did a plan a half hour ago.

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Yeah.

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So it's here, Alex.

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I'm sure you're aware of this, right?

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That this video exists and that they-

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Jimmy, I'm aware that they want to turn all the workspaces into giant reeducation camps.

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And this is MKUltra being externalized to the public.

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I had not seen this clip showing how much evil stuff the WEF puts out, how they just

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normalize.

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You're going to eat bugs.

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You're going to drink sewage water, which LA is now doing.

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You're going to live in a 250 square foot, a 5G oven apartment, coffin apartment.

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I know you think Alex Jones would have seen this.

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I had not seen this.

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I'm like literally yelling at my producer.

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I haven't seen the memes yet.

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I'm saying, get this, get this, get this.

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That shows why you're important.

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We're all important because this assault is so huge.

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And notice what she said.

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In Star Trek, when the Borg Cube arrives, they say, resistance is futile.

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You will be assimilated.

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And it's always a woman they hire.

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They admit their documents, so it's less threatening.

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Sexy class swabs.

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Yeah, don't be scared.

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It's already here.

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Don't be scared.

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So I'm sorry, Jimmy.

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You guys are so good, though.

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That is why I'm so excited to be on here, Alex.

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So when I first saw that, it freaked me out because I had about 600 views.

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That's it.

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I had about 600 views.

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Yeah.

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And I watched it three times because I couldn't understand if she was for or against this.

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I noticed the guy in the back giggling like, hee hee hee hee, while she's saying that.

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But if you look her up, it's called brain transparency.

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I still can't tell if she's for or against it.

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It's a scam.

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It's not real.

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It's imaginary.

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It's pretend.

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It's a discussion.

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It's a bullshit lady stealing money from people.

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It's here already.

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God, I hate all of you.

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She's all upset by it or scared about it.

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She's all giggles.

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Well, it's here, Jimmy.

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She's all giggles.

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I hate them all.

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The speaker is from the 2023 Davos Conference, and the speaker is Nida Farahani.

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She's using that story in the voiceover thing to illustrate potential applications of already

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existing technologies in order to present an ethical dilemma.

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If these technologies exist, and as even greater technologies are innovated, how can we protect

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privacy?

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If AI comes along to the point where it can essentially decode your thoughts, what implications

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does that have on how we need to order society to protect privacy?

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She's very clearly not in favor of the scenario that she lays out, but if you're a pretty

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dull conspiracy-minded person who's obsessed with finding new little clips to pretend are

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revealing WEF plots, then you can see how this clip might be a little confusing.

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Also, they don't include any of the rest of her speech, just the nightmarish little...

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Fucking stupid.

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Scenario that is being used as the jump-off point to explore ethical implications of technology.

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That's intentional.

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Why have context?

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It's one thing to be skeptical and question the elites.

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I'll support that, and I think that's a healthy thing to do, but this is an entirely different

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thing.

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WEF fear-mongering is a primary driver of conspiracy-attention economies at this point,

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so people like Alex and Jimmy are deeply incentivized to find the next new exciting thing to scare

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people about them.

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That's why Alex is so excited to hear about this, oh, I told my producers to go get this.

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He hadn't seen the memes yet.

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He hadn't stumbled across somebody posting a little clip of this so he could cover it

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on his show.

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Jimmy beat him to the punch.

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Jimmy's doing better at finding WEF clips.

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Where is Count Dankula when you need him?

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Carpe Donkdom.

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Why isn't the Donk sending you a link immediately?

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I don't remember the difference between Carpe Donkdom and Count Dankula.

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I didn't know they were different people at first.

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I thought they were the same person.

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Carpe Donkdom was the guy who made a lot of memes.

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Sure.

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And Count Dankula was the guy who got his dog to do a Nazi salute.

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Is that what the guy did?

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Yeah.

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Boy, I'll never know the difference.

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You remember a little bit earlier when you were talking about trajectories.

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What a weird...

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Yeah, Count Dankula is a perfect example of that.

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He is a figure in the right wing because he got his dog to do a Nazi salute.

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That is my fun.

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I enjoy reading headlines now, the delightful headlines that should be from the past, but

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still exist today because people don't know.

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Whatever Nikki Haley said that slavery didn't start the Civil War or whatever, and it's

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like, listen, it's 2023.

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If you think that anybody doesn't know that, you're misunderstanding the conversation.

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The conversation is, should we bring slavery back?

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Not why did it start the Civil War or did it start the Civil War.

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You're not listening if Carpe Donkdom becomes a famous person for getting a dog to do a

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Nazi salute.

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Do you understand that Nikki Haley doesn't know the Civil War?

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Bullshit.

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Fuck you.

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You're insane.

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We need more Ben Carson pyramids were made for grain.

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Yes, absolutely.

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That kind of headline, that's what we need.

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That's the shit right there.

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So we have one last clip here and it's because things kind of fall apart a tiny bit and we'll

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discuss on the other side of that what's going on.

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They're all in this big combine, they're all in this mind control, scientific mad scientist

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called and they're all told, okay, now it's time to roll out the next phase and this is

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going on right now.

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They have the UN treaty, the latest draft, takes control of our national medical responses

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to any new disease, allows them to arrest or round up or take anybody they want away.

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Anybody that gets in the way of the lockdown in public safety can also be disappeared and

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the UN sets the policy.

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Who created the UN?

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The military industrial complex at the end of World War II to establish the world government.

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So let me, do you have more time to talk or do you have to go?

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I can stay here two hours if you want.

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Okay.

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Let's take a break.

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I'm going to, we're having a little bit of an audio problem.

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Let me, let me recall you on zoom.

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Do you want to do that or no?

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We think it's on his end right now because it kind of clips every so often.

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Okay.

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So let's take, let's take a two minute break and we'll come right back.

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So Alex's shit is glitching up real bad and so they need to take a break and this is unfortunately

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or fortunately where the recording that I was able to find ends.

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So I know that they do come back and talk more, but I don't have that.

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Good.

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I would have recorded this as it was happening presumably, but we were recording when it

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was happening.

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Right.

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And so I wasn't even aware that it had started until too late.

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Yeah.

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And so yeah, I don't have, I don't have the rest of this.

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Jimmy hasn't put it out and I don't know if he will even put out the full unedited version.

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So I don't know if someone else has the, the rest of this, we could cover the rest in a

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part two, but for now this is basically where we're at.

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And it's not like, I, I, I would be shocked if there was something in the second part

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that was so mind blowing that- The second part is where Jimmy really gets

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confrontational about Alex thinking he's on a mission from God and how he wants to expel

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immigrants from the country and, and uh, all sorts of, I'm sure, I'm sure it gets real

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like, get down to business about things that they politically disagree about, you know,

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and really, you know.

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Well, the first hour is just, you know, filler, a little, little like, hey, getting to know

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you.

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Bill Maher's dumb.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm a wimp.

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I spit on you.

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Okay.

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So I don't know, how do you feel, uh, having listened to this?

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I feel like, I think, I think one of the things that I feel is fear.

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Like, I feel that if, well, I mean, maybe let me put it this way.

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I would be curious to be inside the mind of Kurt Metzger, you know, 15 years ago when

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I thought he was funny, you know, was he, was he this much of a shithead back then?

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Maybe, maybe not.

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Because to me, like looking at- I think it's funny that your primary first

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thought is about the third banana on the show.

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No, I mean, the other two can go fucking shooting themselves in the, yeah, uh, no, no, what,

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what's interesting to me though is did Kurt, Kurt didn't know what his trajectory was going

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to be.

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I would assume not.

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How could you?

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Right.

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Did Kurt know that his trajectory could be this bad?

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Probably.

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I mean, the thing that I think about is like, you know, obviously I do agree with you that

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there was a time when Kurt, I think, was funny and maybe there is still some funny in his

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bones at some, in some place.

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Sure.

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But like he always was, even then, a pretty like contrarian edgy type comedian.

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And he was one of those edgelord kind of shitbag guys, but he was funny and that's, that's

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a different story.

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Even earlier on though, you could see the way that this could, this path could unfold.

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Sure, sure.

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Um, but yeah, I don't know, but here's the, here's the part that's scarier even than that

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is I, I would suggest that there is a possibility that they don't even really think that this

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is a bad trajectory.

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No, but that's, that's what I'm, that's why I'm afraid is because I, I, if they can't

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recognize in themselves what led to where they are right now as being a horrible thing

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and how is it, you know, like in my brain right now, what horrible shit is like swirling

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around that I should be fighting with a goddamn vibranium shield and shit to keep from becoming

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Kurt Bensker?

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Well, you've done 800 episodes about Alex Jones, so maybe you're there.

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Which is about as vibranium shield as it gets, yeah.

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But no, but maybe you are in the bad future already.

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That's a good point.

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Yeah.

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Um, that's a good point.

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Yeah, I don't know, it's, they are, they are a fascinating, uh, not really.

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No.

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I, I, that sentence was flawed to begin from the jump.

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Yup, that's a branding in a sentence quick.

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I don't, I don't fully know if this is a good Wacky Wednesday candidate, Jimmy.

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I am, I am more interested possibly in figuring out exactly what his, um, like what is the,

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the shape of his shit.

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Yeah.

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You know, because I do think that it is different than Alex.

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Yeah.

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Because he's, he doesn't come from like an anti-communist tradition.

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You know, he was a, he was a left guy and you know, he, he made such a big deal out

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of the Medicare for all, force the vote kind of stuff.

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And like that was, that was like one of his big political stances over the last couple

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of years.

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Yeah, I remember.

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He was attacking AOC and all this cause they wouldn't force the vote on Medicare for all

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you, you fucking assholes, this is a litmus test and all this.

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And now he's associating with people who want Medicare for none.

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You know, like this is, this, this is essentially buddying up to and creating a political allegiance

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and alignment with people who want you and the things that you ostensibly are about.

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Yeah.

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Gone.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know.

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It's, it's strange.

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There has to be some kind of like more connective tissue for what he actually believes and where

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he's at.

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But I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't know if he's entertaining.

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You know, I mean, I, I think of, I think of nihilism when I think of Jimmy Dore now, you

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know, cause I think a lot of people think of this self-destruction and nihilism as

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like that kind of thing.

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But to me, like the idea of abandoning everything and just being like, everybody's going to

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die fucking anyways.

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I might as well hang out with Alex Jones.

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That is nihilism, you know, to go from Medicare for all, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But you know, that's what I'm saying.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if that's true of him as, as he is.

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Yeah.

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And learning, I don't know if it's entertaining.

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Oh, it's absolutely not.

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I don't get the sense.

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First of all, I don't get the sense that he's much of a competent host.

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I don't find, I don't think anything that he brought to the table was interesting.

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No.

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Agreed.

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Being a worm?

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Not interesting.

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Yeah.

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Even Grima Wormtongue.

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He had a nice little smile.

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That's the thing I'm wrestling with is like, all right, maybe this is an interesting other

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offshoot thing to do.

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Sure.

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But then I imagine listening to hours of him and I'm like, oh no.

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Oh no, no, no.

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That's no good.

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Yeah.

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No, there's a, there's, there's like a different kind of formula and I don't know what it is,

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but it does feel like people are not as interested in the show aspect of the show.

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Hmm.

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You know, like this does not feel like he cares about doing a show.

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Hmm.

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What is a show?

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It's kind of, it's kind of an act of like collaborating with Alex more than it is a

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show.

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Yeah.

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There's, there isn't like real depth or, or like information about Alex that comes out

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outside of unchallenged lies that Alex says to him, which are the same lies that Alex

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says in almost every interview.

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So it's not like you're not getting anything out of him.

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You're just doing the thing that people do.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's, that's what I get from Jimmy Dore is that this is a thing he does.

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Yeah.

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This is not a, I want to do a show.

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This is not a, I have a passion for this.

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This is nothing like that.

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This is, I literally have no other skills.

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It may be.

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I don't know.

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It doesn't even have this skill.

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I'm uninspired.

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Yeah.

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Kind of by him.

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Yeah.

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Very much so.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what you think on it, but yeah, maybe we'll do a part two if I can find the

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other audio.

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Yeah, we'll see.

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Maybe we'll do another episode about Jimmy at some point.

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Maybe not.

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Who knows?

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I don't know, but either way, we'll be back.

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Indeed we will.

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Until then we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgehide.com.

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And we'll be on social media TBD.

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Someday.

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But we'll be back until then.

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I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I spit in your face.

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No!

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Yeah.

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Woo.

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Yeah.

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Woo.

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Yeah.

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Woo.

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Woo.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.