Transcript/837: March 11, 2004

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saying we are the bad guys

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Stop it, Andy and Kan, Andy and Kansas

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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your work

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knowledgefight

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I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, I like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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What's up

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What's your bright spot today, buddy?

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Well, I think conceivably my bright spot could be some thoughts I had about the

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Real World Road Rules Challenge

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Sure, conceivably

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But we talked at length about them already before we started recording

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There is that

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Yeah, so there's no need to rehash these points

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It's always fun when we're friends off the show

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and then we're like, haha, fooled you people who listen

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Well, I'm making up for lost time a little bit because you'd been telling me like that

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you were watching these newer seasons and all this and I was like, bah humbug, no

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I used to watch this show and I no longer have the taste for it

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You did bah humbug me, that's true

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And I think if the show was exactly the same or like

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if it was the same in some of the ways that I had a problem with the old one being

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Sure

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I think I would bah humbug this still

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Fair

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But yeah, we're catching up now

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I'm watching some of the show and I have to tell you what I thought

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because I didn't get to back then

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I understand

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So that's not my bright spot

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No

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But I found some, I showed you also right before the show, in my bedroom

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I found some foliage things you can hang on the wall

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Yes

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Yes, and so I have decided to turn my bedroom into a jungle

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I can't, you know, you can't make the walls run with vines

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Yeah

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Eventually you're going to crack into the walls

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There's going to be something that gets out of control

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That's just how it works

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I wish it was possible

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I know

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But you know, when you live in a building with other people in it, it's just not going to work

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Respect is respect

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Yeah, so the next best thing is these squares

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Yeah

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That you can put on the wall

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They have fake astroturf basically coming out of it

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And so I will have my walls lined with plants, fake plants

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What's great about it is that for you it's coming from a genuine place of like

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Like there's so many guys who could be doing something like this and you're like

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You're going to be real creepy to women when they show up, aren't you?

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That's what's going on here

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I just want the outdoors inside

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I know you're like

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I like this one

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Yeah, I also have a couple, I have some flowers and stuff to put in to like spruce it up

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Sure

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And my friend Angela Lampsbury told me about these lights

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Yeah

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That are like fireflies

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See, this is what I'm saying

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Yeah

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Yeah

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So I'm going to put those around too

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Put some firefly lights in

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Absolutely, this is 100% a recipe to be creepy to women

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And you are so excited for you personally and no one else

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You bet, you bet

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And I was trying to figure out a way, so Bray Wyatt whenever people put their lights up

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Sure

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His fireflies

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And I was thinking of a way to try and work that in as a joke

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And it just didn't work

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Well

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So what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot, Dan, is, you know, I've been been alone

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Living by myself without my wife for a while

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Yeah

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Over in Portugal

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Yeah, yeah, and I rearranged the entire thing

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I rearranged the entire living room

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Just moved everything around

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Set it up in a completely different direction

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Because you can only control what you can control

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That is true

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You know

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So if you're worried about things you can't control

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Oh, is that stupid?

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You can't control them

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Take control of the things you can take control of

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You are, you know, this is a lot like the serenity prayer

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That's how I, that's how I do it

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The AA prayer

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I am a man of serenity

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That's what people describe me as

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Yes

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Most often

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Well, I mean, the word is most closely associated with that episode of Seinfeld

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Where George's dad yells serenity now

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Fair, fair

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So you are in that mold

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I have, I have something of an ironic relationship to serenity

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So now let me ask you a question

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Sure

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Do you know why I was doing that bass line while you were talking about that?

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I do not, no

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Do you know what that bass line was?

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I did, I was busy talking, I only listen to myself talk

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I have no idea what you've ever

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Fair enough

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I've literally never listened to a word you've said

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Well, you were talking about rearranging furniture

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Uh-huh

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It was the bass line to Limp Bizkit's song Rearranged

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I can't believe I didn't just know that on the top of my head

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So crazy

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It's iconic

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Yes

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So you're gonna move it back when she gets back or before she gets back?

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No, no, no, no, I did a much better job

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It's, it's, it's way more functional

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It's way more practical

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It functions like an actual living room instead of just being a collection of shit we've thrown on the ground

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Yeah, I mean, I think the last time I was over at your house

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The living room was set up where the couch and the tables had been turned into a giant bed in the middle of the room

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Yes, yes, I had, that was what I had created, couch bed

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Yes

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That was a regular situation

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Yeah

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You have not been there

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There were a couple of nooks for Fanny and Jake to hide in

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Right, right, right, you have not seen since

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We have removed all of that and replaced it with a giant bean bag

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And I feel like I told you about the bean bag

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I think so, yeah

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Yeah, I told you about the bean bag

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But the bean bag, we tried to put it in the same place as the other stuff

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And we'd had it there for about a year or so, but it doesn't make any sense there

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It's a terrible place for it

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Yep

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So I just finally moved it all to the right spot and it feels great

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All right

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It's awesome

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I nailed it, she's gonna love it, and if she doesn't, um

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It'll be back to couch bed

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I mean, I don't think she can pick it up

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Well, that's the ultimate victory, I suppose

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Yeah, absolutely

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over

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Yes

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And it's short

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Ooh

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We're gonna be, we're gonna be in and out of here

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So I, you know, there's present day stuff, you know

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We had the Steven Crowder announcement on Wednesday

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And I felt like, you know, I don't want to just talk more about that

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Who gives a shit

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Right

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Check back in and what have you

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In the meantime, I've been trying to find episodes to cover for our UK tour

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Which, hey, a lot of fun

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I've been, I believe you

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You're, your, your problem is you're discarding the ones that don't work

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And then not just turning them into the episode we do the next day

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Shit

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Did you, did that never even occur to you?

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It kind of did, but I thought like

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Some of them

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You're listening to the hours of the show and then just tossing it aside

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Well, yeah

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Yes

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Some of them, I don't know if they would even be all that interesting for

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A plain episode of our show

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No, of course

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But yeah, I have two of the, the shows, two of the four

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Two of the four

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Nailed down

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Nailed

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But the pursuit for the other two has been a challenge

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I'm looking forward to the, I'm looking forward to us being on like the day before

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One of them just being like, I guess we're doing a show from today

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Oh shit

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Uh oh

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I forgot to prepare my speech

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I better cut, I better cut some clips

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Oh no

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On the way to the venue

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So I've been doing a bit of that and then also listening to the 2004

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Because I like to keep up with that

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Of course

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We're going to get to the election eventually

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It's going to be great

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I'm looking forward to figuring out Swift boating and when that came around

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It seems like it should have been there way in advance of now

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And where we're at is a no man's land

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Yeah

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March 2004, the beginning of it is walking through mud, deep mud, just up to my knee

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I'm just, ooh, there's nothing in here

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I got nothing to grab onto to help me move faster through this mud

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It is just a tortured metaphor of

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Your Johnny Quest in quicksand

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It's so bad

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So today we're going to be talking about the 11th of March

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311

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2004

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All right

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There's still not much going on but there's enough

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And I have a few points that will be worth making

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311 is enough

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Yeah

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This episode's all mixed up

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Yep

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Don't know what to do

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I don't know what to do

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Next thing you turn around and find the person is you

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Oh no

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Thought a trick might be the thing but you know to be the last

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So just get off of your ass

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Yeah, you know, you can't do a shitty Reggae cover of a Cure song

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I just feel like it's wrong

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I understand

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You gotta trust your instincts

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That's me, that's me

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Let go of regrets

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Let go of regrets

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All right

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Okay

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Let's bet on ourselves and say hello to some new wonks

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So first

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I've listened to the entire back catalog and now my girlfriend thinks I'm insane

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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That honestly could be anyone

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Yeah, I know

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Next

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Alex Jones is what happens when Frosty's magic hat lands on a bucket of sodomite poop

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Next, Buck Nobody, the graveyard janitor wants to give Selene all the catnip

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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The thought is really appreciated on behalf of Selene

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But I will say she's not a drug user

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She's not a catnapper

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No, I've tried to mess with her with the catnip

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and give her toys with catnip and it doesn't do anything

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Nope

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And she sees through the laser pointer

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She's a cheese hole

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Such an asshole

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Yeah, I know

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Next, Paul M. Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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My dude, and hello, governor's call Blimey

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But that Alex Jones does sound like a Berkeley hunt

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I think they're trying to trick me into saying something that's offensive there

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I believe it's rhyming slang

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Oh, is it Cockney rhyming slang?

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They believe it's Cockney rhyming slang

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I tip my hat to you gents

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Drifted a little into Australia there

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Although, if I mean, my rhymes are not the greatest

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But I'm gonna go with, I don't think we in America wanna rhyme with Berkeley hunt all too often

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No, that's what gave me a little suspicion

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Well, I mean, we're in the States, we can rhyme

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And we have a technocrat in the bookstore

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So thank you so much to This Is Not Cockney rhyming slang

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Okay

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But thank you so much to Snickerdoodle and the disciples of ETEP

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Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop

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Daddy shark, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent

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He's a loser, little titty baby

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I don't wanna hate black people

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I renounce Jesus Christ

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Thank you so much

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Thank you very much

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So Jordan

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Real quick

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Yeah

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I feel like we need to resolve the whole C-word situation between the UK and the US

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Oh yeah

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You know, like the U in color, fine

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I don't care if there's a difference there

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I don't care who, I don't care which side we land on

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I just want standardized English between the two

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The U is in the Foo Fighters album, The Color and the Shape, right?

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Yeah, see

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So we have to let it be

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We're fine with that, no problem

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Let that one ride

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I kind of agree with you

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And I think that this is the best argument for a world government

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Yeah

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We just gotta standardize

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Yeah, just the C-word

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Is it offensive or not?

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That's all I wanna know

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I'll accept a UN one world government as long as we just determine

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For good, for good, no back seats

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Well, but isn't your dog's name offensive in England?

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I don't think it's offensive

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Fanny?

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It's just a reference to the front bottom, my friend

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But I think it's a pretty, it's like a coarse term

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I mean, it can be used as a coarse term

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But a pussy is a coarse term as well

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Whoa

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As well, but we use it and we do not use the C-word in the same way now, do we?

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I guess we don't

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Yeah

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Yeah, we should have some standardization

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Ah, I agree

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Yeah, and then we all get rid of the metric system

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Wait, I would go the other direction

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I think I actually meant to say the other direction

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Okay, I was gonna say, yeah, yeah

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We get rid of everything but the metric system and I do mean everything

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What's it called? What's our system called?

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The non-metric system?

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Why does he have a name for it?

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There is a name

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The dumb system

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The base 12 makes more sense than base 10 system

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What do you want from me?

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That sounds right

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Yeah, that does sound right

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So we're going to talk about March 11th, 2004

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But we're also going to talk a little bit about March 10th, 2004

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Because there's a little bit of something that's happening that was really bothering me

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And this is, during this time there was a shooting at a Masonic temple

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And Alex will not, he's talking about it a lot

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Yeah, I mean that's red meat

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And it's getting annoying

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Yeah

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It was an accidental shooting and we'll talk a little bit more about it

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But yeah, he's covering it on the 10th and here's some of his business

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He has some ideas about how this is being investigated

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Okay

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I was spurred to expand on this on the website because it's so important

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This is out of New York Daily News

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It's also out of the Associated Press

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I have a total of four different articles on this

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This is New York Daily News

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A secretive initiation ceremony in the basement of a Long Island Masonic lodge went tragically wrong

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When a member mistakenly pulled out a loaded weapon and fatally shot an inductee in the face

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Police said Tuesday

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William James, 47, of Medford, New York was pronounced dead at the scene of Monday night

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Shooting inside the Southside Masonic lodge said Suffolk County Detective Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick

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First thing we need to do is find out if Jack Fitzpatrick

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He's a cop, he's got the last name Fitzpatrick, he's in New York

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All right, now we're getting weird

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I bet he's a Mason

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No reason for that

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What?

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I mean that's what they focus on is the constabulary, the power structures

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What?

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And they just say they're sure it's an accident

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Yeah man, he's uh, his name is Fitzpatrick, he's a cop

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What more do I have to say?

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He's a Mason

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Show us over everyone, get the fuck out of here

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We're worshipping the devil

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All Irish cops in New York are Masons

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Was that a thing?

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Yeah I guess so

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I feel like that's not how that worked

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No

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No

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I mean this is classic Alex

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And I love that just that instinct to make shit up

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Yeah

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It's great

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Yeah

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So there was this shooting at this Masonic Lodge initiation ceremony in Long Island

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and it deserves days of coverage apparently

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Of course

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So these people were putting on a show where the initiate was seated with cans in front of them

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and someone was going to fire blanks while someone else knocked over the can sneakily

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But the guy doing the shooting accidentally used his own legally carried licensed gun

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instead of the one with blanks and he killed the initiate

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Upon realizing what had happened they called for help but it was too late

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The guy who shot him was 76 years old and I could totally see how a mistake like this would happen

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It's not it's not like something that seems like oh I can't believe this

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No yeah if you're a bunch of people playing with guns

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and then you have a borderline octogenarian holding a loaded real firearm at the same time

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You could have put it put it in the front of the

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But why isn't there like a

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A cubby hole

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When you walk in the door just put your gun in the cubby hole like that seems reasonable

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That would have been my policy

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Oh boy

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So the Grand Master of the New York Lodge put out a statement clarifying that the

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whole cans and a gun thing isn't actually a Mason approved ceremony

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Why? Who would have guessed?

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I can't imagine the secretive organization that has control of the world is trying to scare people

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with poking sticks into cans to make it look like they're shooting guns

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It would be it would be very hard to sell me

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Okay so I go in there I'm gonna be initiated into your thing and you guys are like listen

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Oh

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We're hundreds of years old

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Yeah

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Our organization in the shadows running shit we're big deal all right

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Everyone's in hood

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Here's what we do

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The ceiling is bleeding

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Here's what we do we do to initiate you

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Exactly what eight-year-olds in the rural south do to practice hitting squirrels

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But they don't do that they don't practice hitting like to shoot

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squirrels by knocking over those cans with a stick

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No that's true I thought they were going to shoot them

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No

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Yeah

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Yeah

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So this was a prank that that particular group

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wove into their ritual without the higher-ups approval

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Oh my god

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The Grand Master went on to say that quote

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Guns positively do not play a role in any officially sanctioned ceremony

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The guy who did the shooting pled guilty to

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criminally negligent homicide and got five years probation

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Sure

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In court he cried about what had happened and how the deceased was his friend

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Yeah of course

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It's just terrible stuff

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Tragic for the shooter and even more so for the family members who lost a husband and father

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But they're really all just props for Alex

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Yeah

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This story involves the Masonic lodge and this is an election with two skull and bones

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candidates so this is fucking red meat for him

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It's so good you couldn't ask for a better narrative

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Yeah

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He loves it

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I mean come on folks

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Guns just don't put them in

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Fine we're gonna have guns there's no escaping them

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There's no escaping guns but if you just don't put them in your rituals

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you're gonna save somebody's life

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Well you you introduce an interesting question and that is what is it that Alex is mad about here?

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Like what what exact what act

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All right

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Took place so is Alex upset about because it can't be

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Can't be the reasonable gun ownership

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Owns it

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In his pocket

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Registered everything's right

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Everything is everything's right

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He's carrying legally

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The ritual is protected by the first amendment of the United States Constitution

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It's performance

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Absolutely

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Yeah

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Yeah um I mean he has the right to carry it loaded

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Mm-hmm

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It's it is a concealed carry New York state right

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I believe so and well for everything everything he did was legal except for the shooting

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Right that was the big problem there

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Yes

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Now I'm gonna throw this out there

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That is a mistake

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It does seem like though that is the main purpose of a gun to do the thing

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Yes

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The thing that we all agreed was the problem in this scenario

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Well the only problem in the scenario is that he had two guns

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He should not have had two guns

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Right

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No

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But that's not the same that's not what it is for Alex

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No

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Because Alex thinks it's a murder

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Alex thinks it's a premeditated murder

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Absolutely

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Hey that samurai shouldn't be carrying two swords

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Get that waka-sashi out of here

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Well if one's sharp and one's dull for a prop then maybe not

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Yeah maybe not

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So Alex here on the 10th goes on to pretend that he's not alleging a gigantic conspiracy

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Yeah

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And uh but hey maybe it's an accident they just blew this guy's head off

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Just by accident he just just so happened to have the two guns in there and he just didn't know

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And he just pulled one out and shot the guy in the head

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And just so happens we're finding these articles going back at other Masonic and in a Klan meeting

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Just magically somebody dies

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And uh just so uh happens that Hiram Abiff you know was killed by his fellow Masons

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And they normally do do the simulated murders but sometimes people seem to die

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The police always say it's just an accident and somebody gets a few months in jail or has to

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Has to pay a fine but the sacrifice it does take place

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We're not saying that happened here no no no we're sure the police officers uh investigating right

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This is no big deal just somebody's got their head blown off they're sure

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So Alex is playing coy there but part of that is probably due to the fact that he's alleging

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A gigantic conspiracy and I don't know if he wants the audience to fully understand exactly how big

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What he's alleging is here

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If what he is saying is true it literally goes to them to very tough

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Yes the accidental killing is not actually an accident according to Alex

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It was a pre-planned murder carried out as a ritual and the police investigating the crime

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Are complicit with the Masons you know Fitzpatrick

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And then the legal system is giving a slap on the wrist to the guy who carried out the murder

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Who carried out the ritual because someone has to pay a small price as also kind of a performance

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And the ritual had to be carried out

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Alex's explanation for this is over complicated compared to believing that a 76 year old dude

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With two guns in his pocket could get them mixed up

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Alex knows that his version of the story is a stretch which is why he buttresses it with these

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Alleged cases of other Masonic initiation murders which he provides no examples of

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And also why he plays the oh no I'm sure it's an accident game there at the end

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It's ludicrous he knows what he's saying is fucking stupid

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And if the audience actually clearly looked at what he's saying they'd be like that's a bit much

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Yeah

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There's a much easier explanation for this

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Yeah I mean here's what I can't stop thinking about

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I can't stop thinking about that this Masonic temple I want to not believe this is true

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But I do think it's possible that the leader was just going to his higher ups and was like

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Oh we've got this idea for a prank we're just going to add to the initiation thing

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And he's like listen I understand why you think that's fun but

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It's funny

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I don't I just don't think it's a good idea

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I respect your creativity but

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I don't want to do it

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Yeah

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And then this happens and then there's that he just walks into the room just walks into the room

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No this happens and then it cuts to the next day

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The grand master is sitting at his desk like tapping a pen onto his folder

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Guy walks in

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What you doing?

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You are so fired

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Do you remember what we talked about?

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Do you remember what we talked about earlier?

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Oh man

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All right we're going to transfer you to a different one

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So do you know anything about Hiram Abiff?

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I do not know anything about Hiram Abiff

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Hiram Abiff

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Hiram Abiff

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I don't think he's a real person

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There was a Hiram that's mentioned as one of the builders of Solomon's temple

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But he's become like a legendary Masonic character

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Okay

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In terms of like Hiram Abiff the person personage itself

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is probably not what the historically referenced Hiram is

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Okay

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But he's a he was in charge of as the story goes the construction of Solomon's temple

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Three lower this is again just the the story

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This is the legend

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This is not history

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Yes yeah

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But as the story goes three lower level Masons accost him and demand that he tell them the

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master Mason's secrets

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He refuses and then they try to get the secret out of him by torture and ultimately kill him

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It's not a ritual killing like Alex would want it to seem

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And the message of the story seems more about like secrecy and the existence of this lost

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word that died with him

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Yeah

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This lost secret

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The weirdest part is that they were all Irish cops

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Oh no they're all Fitzpatrick's?

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Yup

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So this is the only example of a Masonic killing that Alex offers up to support his argument

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here on the 10th and I find it to be so weak

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Yeah that's

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He's digging back to the time of the building of Solomon's temple

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This is not news

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Listen you know I understand as bad as blaming people for Jesus's death is man this one goes

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back way further let's see you can't hold a grudge on this one any longer you just can't

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A biff

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A biff

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Hiram Abiff sounds like one name too it doesn't sound like two names

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It's also a pretty cool name

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I would

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I give it to the Masons

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I would like to say it in a different there should be a thing where I go Hiram Abiff

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You can no one's stopping you

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I fair

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So we jump to the 11th

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Yes

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All mixed up amber energy you fill in all the rest of the gaps

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So on the 11th Alex covers there's a big story on the 11th honestly and Alex barely covers it

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but he does cover it at the beginning of the show

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Okay

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All right let's dive straight into the news

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Explosions in Madrid burst open train cars scattering bodies killing more than 170 people

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and wounding more than 600 at the height of the rush hour commute according to witnesses

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and interior minister Angel Aceby's by pronouncing that right a series of explosions

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I'm going to go with no

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passenger trains in the Madrid area today

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the blast which came just days before the Spanish general elections were so powerful

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the train cars were burst open and bodies of passengers blown out into the roads

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and don't worry they'll catch a few patsies and torches of living daylights out of them

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What?

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Putin's been caught blowing stuff up again and now they're

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admitting that there's not even a real election in Russia

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Same thing goes on in Spain England the US over and over again

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they blow stuff up right before elections and you vote for whoever's in power to save you

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So the Madrid train bombings were not a false flag and in fact

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were carried out by local terrorist groups a group in Spain

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Yeah

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They likely had involvement with Al-Qaeda there's one of the things that's almost

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really really really hard to definitively prove

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but there's a strong belief that they had involvement with Al-Qaeda

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Right right right

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The precise motive for the attack is not fully known and it may

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actually have been slightly different for different members of the cell itself

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Interestingly in the aftermath of the bombing

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conspiracy theories began to emerge about who was responsible for the attack

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and the leading group in that was the right-wing People's Party or PP

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Prior to the election they'd been in the majority of the Cortes Generales

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and in the immediate days after the bombings

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they would point the finger strongly at the ETA a Basque nationalist terrorist group

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The ETA was a far-left organization in addition to being Basque separatists

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so they were a prime target for the PP but there was no evidence of their involvement in the bombing

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Yeah

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Many believed that the existing government didn't want to accept the possibility of an Islamic

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terrorist organization being responsible because it would call into question the choice to send

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troops to the war in Iraq. The prime minister at the time of the bombings Jose Maria Aznar

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was in power for that decision and was a member of the PP

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In the end the center-left party the PSOE gained seats while the PP lost seats

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making the PSOE the largest power in the congress and shifting the presidency

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A look at the polling data does show that in the weeks leading toward the election the PP was

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looking like the presumptive favorites but after the attack public opinion shifted sharply toward

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the PSOE. This was a really big upset and the timing of the change of opinion is notable with

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many analysts declaring the election result a punishment for the PP both for the unpopular

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decision to get involved in Iraq for their response to the bombing and the campaign of

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misinformation about blaming the ETA Basque separatists

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Yeah yeah that that's called consequences yeah

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So this is a fascinating situation where Alex has a conclusion decided immediately

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after an event happens which in this case is that the bombings were a false flag to

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terrorize the public and sway the election. In the end the bombings weren't a false flag

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but public reactions to it definitely did sway the election so in essence the effect

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is what you'd expect to see if Alex were right you know there is a giant effect on the on the voting

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yeah in logic if you were to take what Alex like the the consequence existing as being proof

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of the if statement sure that is what's known as affirming the consequent in the formal structure

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you'd see this as like if a then b b therefore a yeah this feels like it works oftentimes when

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you don't pay attention to it but it doesn't take a real world example of this to see what I mean

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like here's one if I drank a bottle of vodka I'm drunk I'm drunk therefore I drank a bottle of

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vodka it doesn't work but when you're not paying attention to the relationship between ideas

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it can be very easy to let something like this slip by yeah and not realize that there's a

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hundred different reasons why b could have happened yeah and the logical statement doesn't

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hold well I mean for me I think the lesson that we should have and cannot maybe ever learn because

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it's in the government's best interest for us never to do so after 9 11 is that terrorist acts

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are a consequence not the inciting event well let's let's put this a little bit more broadly

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um they exist within a continuum of actions jet that like one side didn't start the other side

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didn't start right necessarily there there's a confluence of things and to look at look at it

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without context right is food right right right it is it is in the government's best interest to

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say they hate our freedoms it is not in their best interest to say well this is a large tapestry of

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back and forth that has been going on since the fucking crusades or whatever you want to talk

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about you know sure you know that kind of thing yeah one article I was reading actually said that

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the crusades might have been partially a uh potential motivating factor for one of the

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people who was part of the terrorist cell why the fuck not if you're gonna you you're already

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picking some random ass shit at the end of the day you know it's arbitrary which one you pick

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pick any number of crimes that you hate somebody for as far as the government is concerned you

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know you're not gonna run out sure um but in order to in order to look at it like that right we would

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then basically get rid of the concept of a false flag because why would you ever have a false flag

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it's the consequence of the government's actions you know it's not the government trying to do

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something in response to something it is something responding to the government's actions so that's

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why it is called that's why you would find other ways to oh sure sure absolutely um that's fair

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enough yeah I would say also one thing I want to just make a fine point of in that clip Alex

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is saying that they always do this before the election to mess with the election results right

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and that's fair or at least in terms of what happened there was a giant effect on the voting

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results sure sure sure but at the end of that clip he said that it's to keep the people in power in

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power to give you security as opposed to them which is the opposite of what happened right

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but I'm gonna guarantee that when the elections happen Alex is going to say that it was a false

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flag in order to get the PSOE in power 100 I guarantee it 100 so if he talks about it at all

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right yeah well considering I mean this is a giant terrorist attack that happened yeah and

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considering that there's really almost no discussion of it outside of a little bit yeah it's

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uh it's a little weird maybe you won't talk about it maybe I don't know so we had that uh that Long

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Island shooting sure sure sure sure sure masons we have another one oh but masons no oh it's the

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clan I don't know why but here we are same difference I guess I've been talking a lot about

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the New York Daily News and other stories that have trying to find my KKK article that came out

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of Long Island with the guillotines and now the skull altars and uh some bizarre type of

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torture chamber real quick that's the way he's describing the uh basement of the Long Island

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Masonic Lodge there were like uh props and stuff around sure sure so there was like a guillotine

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nice little yeah yeah I got you it's a good ambiance it's like me putting Foley a job it is

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it is like if you go to the hell house where people like Alex's version of an abortion clinic

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is that hell house like stab you if it's your first time in the basement of a Masonic Lodge

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and it's a finished basement with like just some nice chairs yeah that's a bummer you want a guillotine

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down there even if it's just decorative have fun yeah yeah you know the Christian conservatism of

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what Bush and all of them are into the same stuff in the tomb at Yale and blowing this guy's head

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off uh this uh mason uh blew one of the initiates head off and then now there's been a bunch of

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other articles about it as as new horrors start coming out but the police within an hour and a

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half of being there it's a total accident we're sure of it they normally don't declare that for

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a few weeks grand jury looks at it the DA looks at it but man they seem to know in these cases

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Alex is misrepresenting when police immediately say there's no signs of foul play yeah that

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doesn't mean that they're aha nothing to see here yeah yeah that means something very specific but

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Alex can exploit the way that people see that and the people who were there were incredibly

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cooperative of course they were their statements this was a horrible tragic accident yeah I mean

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you might as well if a refrigerator fell through the ceiling and it was this guy's fault for

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shooting up into the ceiling and the refrigerator fell down and landed on this guy

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it would be that functionally the exact same level of tragic accident for the exact same purpose

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yeah are there cans on the ceiling that you're trying to shoot big ones okay I say these cases

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because it seems to happen uh quite often uh that it's all just an accident man hit by stray bullet

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in KKK an initiation ceremony this is out of the Sydney Morning Herald there's a lot of these

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articles we found but it's covering the U.S. a bullet fired in the air that doesn't happen you

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don't fire a bullet in the air and then have it have it hit somebody uh even 50 yards from you

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that thing you know they always come down they have to come down they don't go in the space of

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600 yards away don't go into space just the way the arc works but um so that shows that that's

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that's ridiculous a bullet fired in the air during a Ku Klux Klan initiation ceremony came down and

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struck a participant in the head critically injuring him authority said by the way it didn't

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strike one of the idiots standing around in the satanic regalia it didn't show it of course hit

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the initiate the person being tortured just magically in these cases hits them but it's

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always an accident Gregory Allen Freeman 45 was charged with aggravated assault and reckless

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endangerment in the incident that wounded Jeffrey Murr 24 on Saturday night about about 10 people

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including two children had gathered for the white supremacist group ceremony and it says the man who

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was being initiated was blindfolded tied with a noose to a tree and shot with paintball guns as

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as Freeman fired a pistol into the air to provide the sound of real gunfire sheriff Ed Grable said

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so Alex hasn't read this story or he's willfully lying which you can tell because he's screwing up

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a bunch of details in order to make it fit his narrative also I don't know if the Klan and the

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masons are the same thing I know they are to Alex but I don't accept that premise they're not they're

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not the same thing so here are just a few of the things that Alex got wrong in that coverage first

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the bullet that struck someone wasn't shot into the air and came down to hit somebody

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this guy Gregory Freeman was hit by a paintball while he was shooting in the air which caused him

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to fire off an errant shot that hit somebody oh my god yeah do you expect better from the

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Klan initiated ceremony damn it yeah the person also the person hit by this errant bullet was not

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the initiate in the ceremony Carl Mitchell the third was the one being initiated by being tied

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to a tree and shot with paintballs conversely Jeffrey S. Murr was the guy hit by Freeman's

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bullet right in the head Mitchell yelled at the rest of the Klansmen to cut him down and then he

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went on to provide first aid to Murr sure so it seems like he passed that test what a good

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initiate yeah you know he's tied to a tree and then uh his buddy gets shot in the head still

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trying trying to help yeah um good dude so yeah there's a number of details Alex gets wrong here

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because if he didn't get them wrong and he reported this correctly it'd be a lot more

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difficult to fit this into the mold of the story he's telling about the Long Island thing smash

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cut to the KKK guy going to the save Long Island mason boss just be like all right we shouldn't

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have done the ritual part I get that the paintballs aren't loud enough it was just off

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it was just off the Long Island thing I understand that maybe we made a similar mistake but you can't

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like man I'm gonna have to let you go you're so fired here you're fired from the Klan fired from

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racism so Alex takes calls for most of the rest of the show yeah and uh there's some conversation

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about uh what do the masons even do like what good are they when I was growing up uh my best friend

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in elementary school his dad was a mason and uh we went to the mason masonic temple a few times and

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play magic the gathering so I believe that the masons invented magic the gathering or magic

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whichever you choose and uh have a community room where kids can play games I think it's a great

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community center it was nice I don't know I mean I know there's a number of charitable and

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community-based things that they're involved in um but the only one that uh this this clip seems to

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uh take into consideration is a child's burn unit uh sure or something sure and I only kept this

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clip in because Alex is a real dick now imagine oh this is going all over the place imagine if you

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or I tried to get a place looks like a mausoleum do this kind of stuff if we weren't masons man

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we'd have we we'd have police raids on us oh yeah but because they're doing it oh it's no big deal

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people say oh they've got children's burn centers they can't be bad I mean it's ridiculous yeah

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that's there in Tennessee and ask yourself what a great tax write-off and how many burn children

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are there really folks six that's a big question thank you for the call that's a big question

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that's a big how many burn children are there really yeah hey asshole helping these burn

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children how many of them are how many are there what five what are you talking about you're

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wasting our time wow I you know what I'm going to give I'm going to give them one thing all right

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the lion's club doesn't get this much shit true you know if you want it if you want to not get

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as much shit don't name yourself the masons or whatever name yourself something weird like the

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lion's club I bet they could be doing all kinds of evil shit you wouldn't suspect the lion's club

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of being behind the goddamn government no one suspects the lion's club with their little

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fucking mints yeah and I want to say this uh to Alex yeah you know how many burn kids there are

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way more than you think so many yeah so whatever you're trying to minimize there is definitely

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more there's so many fires every day oh my god and skin grafts are so fucking expensive oh my god

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and you just scars for ah but I was I just liked Alex's uh his response how many kids are how many

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burn kids are there I think he thought like man I fucking nailed it I bet it's not even that big

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of a problem yeah so another guy calls in sure and he wants to know a citation from Alex which

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is always trouble that is interesting uh apparently the globalists want to turn the United States into

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a third world country heard that before and uh so this guy wants a little show me where that is sure

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uh right now let's go to bill in Ohio bill go ahead how are you doing good sir uh listen I

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heard you I believe yesterday I forget whether it was you or perhaps a guest at some point

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made a reference to an individual who had put out an article uh sometime in the past

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uh referring to their desire to see the United States uh or their belief I guess that the United

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States uh standard of living had to be reduced down to the level of the rest of the world

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I'd like to know uh what publication was that you know it's hundreds hundreds I've heard NPR

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do it on national tv uh the OECD organization of economic cooperative development uh has set it

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has set it uh the IMF the World Bank has set it uh the uh Joseph Cichlitz of the World Bank when

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he quit so they're planning it the World Bank documents say it they're posting the interview

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section of info wars.com it is the stated policy that we've got to lower our standard of living

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you uh you have it uh on your website it's all over the place you know attributed to the

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where you can find with it's thousands of places yeah if you got thousands of uh references you

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got zero yeah yeah um I mean I know that there is always talk of needing to uh you know reduce

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inequality you know reduce uh inequality in the world and there's um sort of voluntary

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changes to our consumption patterns and our standard of living that we can make we're not

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being forced to make globalist aren't making us make um and simultaneously there's things that

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can be done to really help boost standard of living in the developing world absolutely these

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are the conversations that Alex takes and tweaks and you know turns into uh these thousands of

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references for this caller which is useless yeah what what I'm not going to look at every article

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from the the the NPR right the fuck are you doing okay okay so here's what we do or here's what I'd

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do if I was Alex all right I'm creating my own and I'm creating my great firewall version of the

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you know I'm doing China's version of the internet and then if I say something like this shit where

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I'm like uh hundreds thousands of articles I would have somebody just like throw chunks of text like

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what I kind of said onto different articles all over so you could google something I said and

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it'd be like a fucking a men's health magazine article from 1974 and it'd still pop up like

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see I told you this is what it's made everybody's saying it it's everywhere I mean this sincerely

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yeah even with the fairly early internet when Alex was coming up or you know by 2004 it is

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what it is you know it's not yeah it's not present day but it you know it's a functional internet

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going yeah um it would be fairly easy for him to provide his primary sources that are behind

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so much of this and you know if he wants to commit to like uh this is all really just about Gary

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Allen and W. Cleon Skousen and weird shit my grandpa told me and then a bunch of science

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fiction books that I read then we could assess it based on that yeah you know it's not fair

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to completely hide everything that you're basing your worldview on because you know you'd be

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laughed out of the room if you did that is very much both it's cheap uh like it is it is so much

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like yeah obviously it's not fair and then you're like well obviously that's why he did it you know

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because if he because that's the only way to do it yeah is unfairly yep because it's just not fair

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yeah so uh Alex complains quite a bit about uh churches having 501c3 I agree um different

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reasons oh I believe that yes I believe that too um and then he gets another call and this is

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pointless the actual subject matter but I thought this was delicious passive aggression uh here's

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the question Alex how can we avoid being um you know having that having those things in our body

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you can't they're gonna mount on these new police vehicles really quick she was asking about

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nanotech in our bodies sure because she's worried about uh being in food uh and then uh because

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she's like oh they were gonna put tracker things in our food sure but then you would just go pass

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through your system and Alex like not if there's nanotech in it and it lodges in your guts there

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you go uh so he's created a new thing for her to be afraid of science and so now she's like how do

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I avoid this yeah now it's a good question it can't look something Darth Vader would drive

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microwave microwave guns sound cannons I'm talking about the RFID chip well no no I'm trying to just

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give you an example the RFID look huh I was gonna talk oh I'm sorry no no go ahead you ask the

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question when we're ready I'll tell you all right uh how can we avoid getting those RFID chips

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uh in our bodies okay well let me go over that okay sir well no I mean and I'll just tell you

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yeah I'm I'm really concerned about this is pretty scary stuff oh now I'm gonna tell you all right

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look the the product code the universal product code the barcode did not get fully accepted

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until 1986 mm-hmm yeah this is Alex furious in 2004 yep he's so mad

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whoo love it love it yeah that's such such the difference in customer service between uh

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people who need something from you and people who think they own a captive audience forever yeah

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that to me is just good clean fun yeah that is here and Alex like well I was gonna answer I

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was going to say something uh-huh no no you go ahead you go ahead you go ahead I'm just a guy

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with a radio show no no no but no big deal I was asking about the RFID things I would have answered

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if you hadn't shut your mouth it'd been great to tell you all about the RFID but I can't now I

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have to talk about barcodes we're starting from the beginning right let me tell you how we got

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paper yes absolutely all right so papyrus it's not just a word for fun so um Alex gets another

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call and this guy brings up numerology sure and so Alex weaves it into symbols maybe like

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the Saturnian cube oh god uh let us now uh talk to Chris in Florida another caller from Florida

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go ahead good to be with you Alex yes sir I just wanted to bring something to your attention I

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mean you've gone over it numerous times about the direct link between numerology and our

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wonderful occult government I was talking with some gentlemen today and apparently we figured

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out that uh it's been exactly 911 days between the World Trade Center bombings and today's attacks

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in Spain oh somebody ought to do the math on that and email it to me or I should and uh the

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they are obsessed with numerology and for those that are doubting and here's an example numerology

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and iconology icons all the Starbucks coffees have all seen eyes dripping coffee into a cup

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uh triple sixes everywhere the goddess symbol uh with the two serpents uh coiled about and I mean

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again it's the back of the dollar bill it's the time warner symbol it's everywhere it's just

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amazing I can't believe it it is just like you have to believe it when you look around

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these psychopaths are not backing down we've got to stand up against them so I have two important

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points what's that first is that numerology and iconology it's a I don't know how they're

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connected it's same thing okay fine numbers symbols what is a number but a symbol of a

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number I don't disagree with that but numbers are in some ways symbols but yes they are not the same

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in the the context what Alex is sure sure sure second Alex is talking about all this like this

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iconography the dollar bill and the Starbucks having the all-seeing eye dripping coffee into

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the goddess does this is the all-seeing eye drip coffee maybe back then did I don't know all right

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but anyway how different is this from what the Q shaman was saying you know like this idea that

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they put all these images around in order to give us bad energy or something like why isn't in 2004

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why isn't Alex telling uh this caller that the globalists are just trying to feed Saturn

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because you didn't talk about the devil openly back then he did a little bit well you did not

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nearly to the level you did in the like pat Robertson it's a it's a life and death struggle

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against Islam that's the way you talked about god Alex talked talks about the devil in uh terms

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that have the deniability of like you think he's literally uh possessing people and demons and

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stuff you know I wonder how much bigotry really was was like from focused in towards Islamophobia

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in that time period where it would otherwise not have been do you know what I mean like yeah I

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hear what you're saying there was so much Islamophobia going on at the time how many

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people who were otherwise they were too busy yeah they were like oh I would love to be bigoted

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towards uh LGBTQ people today but I'm just too Islamophobic because of the government and the

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media and stuff like that you know like that's a weird it's an interesting question I don't know

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if it quite works that way no I mean that's what I'm saying it's an interesting question to see if

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there's some sort of bottleneck where it's like a a certain amount of cooperative racism bottles

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you know well I do think a lot of it is based on fear like sure you know or at least some of the

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ways that that bigotry gets hooks and people is through focused around yeah appeals to fear yeah

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yeah yeah and certainly in the time around the Iraq war and after 9 11 the um Islamophobia was

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very very one attached to fear yeah yeah there was one fear and it was like the the um

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it almost could feel like other bigotries you might have aren't as important because they're

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not as scary as you know uh Muslims are being made out to be totally at this period of time

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I don't know I I wonder if that's ever been studied I'd say I mean well I mean you gotta

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figure it just occurs look into this I bet I'm gonna be the world's pioneer on the no I mean

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look into it and see if someone else has done a study obviously dad uh obviously um uh no

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the the I grew up in a small town in the middle of fucking nowhere and there were people who were

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legitimately like what would we do in an actual like okay somebody's gonna terror attack our

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fucking town in the middle of nowhere you know like that was a very real and present fear for

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these people sure that's crazy yeah I mean I think I've told this on the show before but on 9 11

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I was in Columbia Missouri in a high school class in a uh culinary arts class or whatever and they

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had us duck uh under the counter yeah you know because like there was some kind of an idea that

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maybe you know but there was just fear yeah you know and um here's the problem I think with the

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studying the specific thing that you're talking about the only way you'd really be able to track

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it I think is finding people who were like aggressively Islamophobic and then seeing

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if they posted more broad hate afterwards yeah and that I don't know it would be very difficult

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to quantify this oh no no I bet self-reporting is gonna be the way to understand this one for real

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I mean look at their Facebook timelines so we have one last clip here and Alex has an announcement

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all right Dean in California working with Stephen Crowder yeah hello Dean hey man you're making a

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great impact uh all the way out here to uh the west coast I keep it up man there's a lot of

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minds out here where are you in California well I live in Manhattan Beach uh but I work in Long

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Beach well you'll be able to hear me on Kogo and KFI and all of them tonight I'm gonna be on Coast

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to Coast for a couple hours I listen to that show regularly I'm gonna definitely check you out well

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awesome yeah so Alex is beginning to go on Coast to Coast at this point yeah um I believe this one

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might actually even be his first appearance on Coast to Coast um I'm not sure if it's not it's

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his second let's say yeah um and this is this is kind of something that I want to make a strong

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point of George Norrie is inviting Alex on and through negligence or ill will he is giving Alex

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a giant career boost yep Alex and him have both you know they've had conversations about how

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like it was one of the things that really took Alex to the next level being on Coast to Coast

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yeah and I think that George Norrie sucks I do yeah I don't know if he's as bad as a lot of

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Alex's guests but he sucks um but I think he as a radio show host fell into all the same traps

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that everybody does Alex is just an interesting guy he has some interesting opinions the media

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thinks he's a crazy person yeah so let's talk to him then you don't listen to his show and in 2004

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he's having Nazis on all the time yeah he's had he had Tex Mars on uh just uh fairly recently he has

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Mel Gibson's dad on you know there's real problems with Alex's show and when you're somebody who

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doesn't really pay attention and don't whatever I'm not I'm not going to listen to the shows of

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the people I book and provide a huge platform for when you don't do that you're going to get duped

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by the everyone's against him because he has kooky ideas and that's so useful for Alex it's

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so fucking useful but this at this point should have been shut down yep like or at least not gone

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on coast to coast and gotten like probably I don't know a million new fans no that's that's

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probably the foundational bump for him that that was like the first bump that sustained growth

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yeah because he goes back on coast to coast pretty regularly yeah um yeah I mean but it's it is it is

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so much like when we were coming up in comedy you know that like I'm running my show I'm gonna book

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people who can give me opportunities as well you know oh this person runs a show I'm gonna book

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them on my show because I can get booked on their show not because I think they're super funny or

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because I watch them or because every time I see them perform I'm excited I don't even really care

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and that's when you get into situations where you're like oh he's always been nice to me

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he's always been really nice to me well and then I'm taking I'm taking personal life out of this

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sure so the analogy for you would have to be you've never gone to see this person perform

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and you book them on your show and then they do a fine stand-up set and you're promoting their

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show and on their show it's nothing but nazi shit I mean I well I mean that's that's fair I mean

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more the interpersonal dynamics here the dynamics at play are I am giving you this platform for a

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an exchange yeah and that exchange has nothing to do with performance or your show or the quality

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of your show yeah ideally it's um I mean it's an unequal uh exchange obviously because nori has a

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larger audience sure sure sure um but there is a thing that alex provides that he needs which is

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uh uh you know just something for the mill cred uh no no I mean crazy person that's what I mean you

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know you're gonna run out of things to talk about ghosts you know like eventually yes uh you know so

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you need a fairly regular supply of interesting people who are willing to say shit that's

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nonsensical right um and so alex can provide that for george and george can provide him with a large

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audience now alex isn't gonna sail this anti-semitic bigoted shit on coast to coast that's part of the

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arrangement and I do wonder how much george nori would be conscious of that because I do think he

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sucks I think he has terrible politics he's annoying sure he's get rid of that mustache

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nah his mustache is fine yeah but uh I don't know if he would be uh like not knowing alex at all

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sure would he be willing to like get on board with like tex mars yeah you know yeah

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I mean but you know what as I say that I realize I don't know if tex mars has been on yeah

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you're already way too late my friend I know steve pochanik was on yeah

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I suppose the question then is really this is is alex just smart enough to

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or or just like savvy enough to unspoken I'll never reveal how racist I am on your show

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and yeah I think there's a fair amount of kayfabe yeah but I mean he nori had no idea

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just no clue to the point where there was no need to have any conversation in advance of just like

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hey you know what you're supposed to not say right nazi I think that you'd have to watch

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a bit of alex's show and you'd have to read between some of the lines and look into the

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people he's talking to and what they mean by the things that they say in order to get the character

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of the message that alex is putting out at this time yeah so I don't I don't believe that george

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nori is capable of that given his schedule you know like it wouldn't be possible you know

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it has just really occurred to me that we have never really wrestled with how much power

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just having three hours to talk is well yeah yeah it is a lot it's for a daily show to have that

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much time it it's it's it but in order for it to actually have the power energized you do need to

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also have an audience sure sure sure but that's I mean you know once you're there but coast to coast

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has such a luxury of being like one of the very few super late night uh like actual shows right

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right right you know things are rebroadcast overnight and what have you but you know for

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the people who are staying up late you know that's that's what it's for yeah I loved it

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I mean I listen my time I get it it's all legs

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forgot about that

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guy's a fucking idiot anyway jordan yes dad we'll have uh be back for another episode

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uh on monday but until then we have a website it's all legs uh we're also on twitter to comment

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it's at knowledge underscore fight that is correct uh we will be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo

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i'm dz x clark that was limp biscuit rearranged oh yeah yeah and now here comes the sex robots

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andy in kansas you're on the air thanks for holding

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hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you