Transcript/819: February 25-27, 2004

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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:59.000)

Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge right I'm Dan. Dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed.

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

We are Dan Jordan damn Jordanna question for you. It's a great spot today

Dan (00:01:12.000)

my blind spot today Jordan is as we all know, last year we celebrated the dreamy creamy summer that's true. Could not muster the energy mustard and the energy to do it this year again. But as people may recall the winner the unofficial winner because there wasn't really a contest going on per se. But the best most consistent ice cream brand that you can get in the stores and everything was cool house ha us. Yes. I found pretty much everything except for their mint chip. Fantastic they screwed up a mint chip can you it was a little toothpaste. Oh, you

Jordan (00:01:49.000)

can't screw up a mint chip.

Dan (00:01:51.000)

I might be I I'm so sorry. Okay. All their other stuff was great that were Chado flavors fantastic. The churros grape Wow. But they have a new animal free thing because Ice Cream Sandwich it's like cookie dough chocolate chip cookie dough Okay, and like it's nuts like thinking about this there's no animal product

Jordan (00:02:17.000)

and no animal product in a chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream sandwich. Yeah, and

Dan (00:02:20.000)

what's what's what's interesting about that is you wouldn't think that it would be good you know, we've come so far from the days of when I was younger where like all these things that were like vegan or all this like the just be no good you can imagine dairy that had no because it would taste terrible and it did I'm actually looking at this now and I'm realizing that maybe there is animal product

Jordan (00:02:47.000)

there's no way that there is no

Dan (00:02:50.000)

no no just animal free ice cream sandwich. All right, but then it also just says animal free dairy. What is it? Oh, now

Jordan (00:02:57.000)

I'm now I'm confused.

Dan (00:02:59.000)

Okay, welcome to our world of creamy dreamy, creamy and indulgent animal free ice cream that will guarantee to be unlike it doesn't say whether or not the cookies have owl there's totally horsepox It says lactose free animal free earth friendly.

Jordan (00:03:14.000)

All right, well. I'm telling you there's

Dan (00:03:18.000)

get away with there are horse parts in that you couldn't get away with that if it was like alright, we got dairy free ice cream but to beat the patties or B to to beef patties and dairy free ice cream. You're confusing me anyway. Free. Coolhaus fantastic. I had I bought a box of three of them and they're great. Nice. What's your brightspot

Jordan (00:03:39.000)

My brightspot is a new album waiting for me. I have not listened to it yet, but I am very excited.

Dan (00:03:46.000)

Oh, is it Carly Rae Jepsen this new album that's coming out Sega rose. Okay,

Jordan (00:03:50.000)

Sega rose adda his name Adeboye is unfortunately what are you are going to call it forever. Yeah. But yeah, I'm excited. Let's do it. I didn't know if we were gonna get another actual cigarettes album.

Dan (00:04:02.000)

I feel like we got a new one. Like six weeks ago.

Jordan (00:04:06.000)

That was the RE mastering of Oden's Raven magic was so weird opera night

Dan (00:04:11.000)

ba i Don't worry. I just must have like a vague memory of you bringing it up.

Jordan (00:04:15.000)

Yeah, that was I don't know. I was there.

Dan (00:04:19.000)

That's what you went to a show? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so these are all the things that I'm conflated are

Jordan (00:04:24.000)

all the things. But yeah, so new album, their drummer is gone because he was incredibly cute accused of sexual assault. Okay, and so he's gone. So I kind of didn't know if the Sega rose band actually was gonna, you know, they all make music still. Right. But they made another album together. And I'm interested to hear what it sounds like drummer. I don't know. Oh, boy. I don't even know if they've I mean, you know, it is it is like now, if you're a band with only three members and none of them are drummer, you'll just hire drummers to play

Dan (00:04:55.000)

true. But as I recall, sucrose is a All about the drums. No, I'm just making this up I

Jordan (00:05:04.000)

know I mean the drums. The drums are really propulsive force for especially untitled that is a drum heavy album. Okay, drum drum heavy album tack is not so drum heavy. Okay, again is virgin. Definitely not that drum heavy, although there are a couple of huge drums. Oh, man, I love cigarettes. So

Dan (00:05:23.000)

I feel the same way about Carly Rae Jepsen, and her new album is excellent squeak. So get ready for that next week. Yes. brightspot. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about the past day I took a I took a jump to the past, because I needed a break. And so I've teased what is going to be happening on this episode. And I think people will remember but who knows of Jordan. But before we find out, let's take a little moment. Say hello to some new walks.

Jordan (00:05:54.000)

That's a great idea. Okay, so

Dan (00:05:55.000)

first, Jay and Emily. Happy anniversary. Sorry, we're two months late. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

Jordan (00:06:01.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Dan (00:06:03.000)

Next Dan's jump for it. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:06:07.000)

I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much.

Dan (00:06:09.000)

Next garbage goblin raccoon Queen sheepdog of anarchy. Natalie, thank you so much for an hour ballsy walk.

Alex Jones (00:06:15.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:06:16.000)

Thank you very much. Thank

Dan (00:06:17.000)

you Next, Kevin. It's Andrew. As of June 2, you still haven't told me about your experience and occupied Texas. Also Dan and Jordan is Starfleet the globalists and Terra prime. The info warriors. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:06:31.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:06:32.000)

Thank you very much. Yes. Yes.

Dan (00:06:33.000)

Next Amber. I'm sorry. I peed on the floor. But I've got to stop doing violence to pillows. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy. Thank you very much upset about that. I think

Jordan (00:06:43.000)

that one's about a cat.

Dan (00:06:45.000)

I hope so. Yeah, the that seems like things that cats would do.

Jordan (00:06:49.000)

Yeah, they're doing violence to pillows? I don't know. Yeah, yep. Don't ask me. Okay. Okay.

Dan (00:06:54.000)

I won't. Okay. We gotta take the credit in the mix, though. Jordan. So thank you so much to Ashton in Hawaii. You are now a technocrat. Aloha Mahalo.

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Unknown Speaker (00:07:06.000)

I'm telling you brilliant.

Alex Jones (00:07:07.000)

Someone Someone saw tonight sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser. Little little teddy baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounced Jesus Christ.

Jordan (00:07:23.000)

Thank you very much. Jordan.

Dan (00:07:24.000)

Do you know how to say Merry Christmas in Hawaiian? Oh, no. There's a song. Oh, yeah. Hope you remind.

Jordan (00:07:35.000)

Boy, I don't know. I don't know why the joke song that I came up in my head was like, Deutschland Uber Alice. I don't know why that happened.

Dan (00:07:42.000)

Mele Kalikimaka Ah, yes, that's the thing to say. kaliki Maca is who? Do you know what their state fishes? large fish no salmon, Huma Huma? Nuku. Nuku. Appu. Ah,

Jordan (00:07:57.000)

ah, that is why you remember it? Yep.

Dan (00:08:00.000)

Because you, you practice saying it. When you're young, like a Ouagadougou.

Jordan (00:08:05.000)

I was about to bring up a luggage Oh,

Dan (00:08:06.000)

fun. diphthongs you know those two vowels next to each other? Indeed fun. I don't think that's what I don't think I'm using that word correctly. But it's fun word. Anyway, we're in the past and here's not a context drop from today's show.

Alex Jones (00:08:22.000)

But for the next 10 minutes or so. I want to talk to Kevin Smith who I appreciate coming on the show.

Dan (00:08:27.000)

snooty booties what oh my god, Kevin Smith from the viewers universe. What

Jordan (00:08:34.000)

is happening not your

Dan (00:08:36.000)

wins are different. Kevin Smith.

Jordan (00:08:39.000)

2004.

Dan (00:08:39.000)

Right. Yeah. Okay. No, it's it's an employee that he has named Kevin Smith.

Jordan (00:08:43.000)

Oh, man, because if it was him, this would have been right after dogma. Right? Maybe I think this would have been right around that time. That would have been a great time for him to come on. Infowars seemed

Dan (00:08:53.000)

like it was definitely before he started smoking weed all the time. Yeah, that's true. Let me see. Let me see what year dogma hit those theaters. Dogma was 9099 Holy shit

Jordan (00:09:06.000)

dogma was 99 Yeah, how old are we are pretty dead. We died. What just happened

Dan (00:09:13.000)

here? Yeah, I feel like I feel like this definitely makes sense. That was a pre 911 PHIL

Jordan (00:09:18.000)

Yeah, that was definitely a pretty night. In retrospect Yes. 100%.

Dan (00:09:23.000)

Let me let me see where Kevin Smith. The artiste was at at this point in time. Since before the weed before the smodcast before okay 2004 Jersey girl came on to Jersey girl. Oh boy. Yeah. So you could have gone on a promotional tour for Infowars Jersey girl. Mm Ben Affleck show up. I can see

Dan (00:09:54.000)

Bob Strike Back also come out since dogs. Gotcha. You are way off, way off. I'm way off. It's not Kevin Smith. Okay. And we're not gonna listen to the employee Kevin Smith at all. All right, boring as hell yeah, but it's fun. It is fun. I worked at the movie theater with a guy named Kevin Smith Watson. We made all the same jokes. It's fun to do. Yep. So here is the beginning of the show here. We're starting we're doing February 25 through 27th. Okay, so we're starting here on the 25th.

Alex Jones (00:10:22.000)

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to see the passion today and tomorrow I will have a review for you have already had a review from several people that have seen it and flooding now. Mel Gibson's father here on the show, but I'll actually get a chance to see it and I'm really looking forward to it. I hope you all go out and watch it as well.

Dan (00:10:45.000)

So yeah, he's gonna go see the passion. It's coming out it's in theaters.

Jordan (00:10:48.000)

I appreciate this saga in Infowars time, I believe should be called the passion of the Passion of the Christ. Yes. You know, like it is it is a it is a nonstop struggle for this movie to get through

Dan (00:11:01.000)

the day. The Hutton of the Info Wars. Gibson just keeps coming up. Yeah, yep. So yeah. As we all know, my favorite genre of you know him for stuff is Alex doing Movie Reviews. Amazing. This is not one of them. Because he hasn't seen it yet. Right. But we are covering the day after. Oh, and so I'm just giving you a heads up. It's not going to be like his movie review what he's just says it's great. And he cried. That's basically Oh, yeah,

Jordan (00:11:29.000)

that means it wasn't that good. And there wasn't any smart starships or explosions

Dan (00:11:33.000)

and you didn't cry. But you did get nachos. Yeah. So Alex does have a guest, although it is not Kevin Smith. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:11:41.000)

You're not gonna want to miss this interview in the second hour. I really appreciate Don coming on the show. Holly, highly decorated Korean War veteran was shot twice in Korea, in OSS even before that, right out of high school during World War Two. Right after World War Two, and long military career after that, and an expert on the New World Order. I've read a lot of his writings. I've never interviewed him. So that interview this should interview should be quite interesting.

Dan (00:12:13.000)

It's down to Grand Prix. It's down to Grand Prix de Grand Prix is on he's never been on before. First appearance. Alex has. He says a lot of times that he had a stroke a year ago, but he's doing fine. Which he says it like probably four or five times. Yeah. Which is a little excessive. Well, that makes sense then why people keep asking about him. Well, that was quite a ways down the line. That was many, many years later. Also, Alex doesn't really know who he is and keeps calling him don de grande. And he gets corrected at some point. So we've talked a little bit about don de Grand Prix and pass because how could you not it's a fun name. It's a fun name, but I decided to give him a little bit of a closer examination this time around. As it turns out, he wrote a series of books called the barbarians inside the gates with the subtitles the serpent sting Vipers venom and rattlers revenge

Jordan (00:13:03.000)

oh my god, this is gonna be fucking anti semitic, isn't it? God

Dan (00:13:09.000)

damn I found a copy of serpent sting available online on the website of America first books, which also celebrates the legacy of people like David Duke and Kevin Alfred strong, and is a thoroughly anti semitic outlet full of Holocaust denial. Yeah, the prologue of dawn to Grand Prairie. His book is mostly him insisting that he is not anti semitic. And then he goes and says this. First he cites a Time Magazine editorial where the author is discussing the fear of an impending conflict between Israel and Palestine where she says, quote, both sides know two things in advance of another fight. Israel will win it and it will be horribly painful. In response to this Don says quote there in in the in that succinct statement is the heart of the troubles and misery of civilization over the past 3000 years, all perpetuated by a biblical band of outcast, which history records as the tribes of Judah and Benjamin with their maniacal thirst for destruction and revenge forever. Yeesh goes on. He goes on to say that the introduction of the concept of anti semitism was done solely to make people afraid to criticize the people running the world, and that the Holocaust was faked quote, to seek the sympathy of the populations of the UK, US and Canada. make sense to me tracks to sum up what I read he's incredibly anti semitic and spends a lot of time trying to discredit the idea of anyone being called anti semitic. For instance, from his book serpent sting, he says this quote, a standard zine is Bolshevist modus operandi is to scream anti Semite at anyone who exposes any of their nefarious plans and to seek the quote sympathy factor by staging quote incidents, such as the desecration of their own cemeteries or torching their own synagogues, and blaming it on quote, Neo Nazis. Makes Yeah, quite an argument. A

Jordan (00:14:54.000)

lot of scare quotes in there. I

Dan (00:14:56.000)

see. Yes. Sympathy factor incidents. neo Nazi,

Jordan (00:15:01.000)

I think you're saying something more than what you're saying. So I've

Dan (00:15:04.000)

read a fair amount of his writing in advance of doing this episode. And I find it difficult to imagine reading his stuff and not getting the sense that Don has a problem with Jewish people. Alex is saying he's read Don's work, which leads me towards the conclusion that Alex is aware of Don's Holocaust denial and anti semitism. And that's just not a problem for him. Yeah. Or he's lying about having read any of his stuff and is just willing to, you know, have this guy with a wacky name.

Jordan (00:15:29.000)

Yeah, yeah, two things can be true. I'm gonna go with I, you know, you just don't know in this time period, whether or not he's read something within the past 10 years. Yeah,

Dan (00:15:39.000)

I'm guessing no. Well, he's written something probably exact but not not done to Grand Prix. He's doubtful ridiculous writing, stepping staying. Also, I do think that he was enlisted. So he's not faking all of this. Right. But I do think he's also exaggerating a great deal of his bio. And to me, he seems like a proto Steve. Yeah, he seems like another he has a lot of big swings. Yeah. A lot of claims that, like, one of the things he claims in this episode is that one of his good friends was part of the Nebraska Air Guard that shot down United 93. Sure. So, guy personally,

Jordan (00:16:16.000)

you always got to know everybody. Yeah. And Alex asks, like, how

Dan (00:16:19.000)

did you how did you find that out? He's like, Oh, it turns out it was an old buddy of mine. But there's, there's that kind of big break. SURE that you usually see from Steve. Yeah, coming from him. All right. And that's kind of kind of fun. Okay, so dawn to Grand Prix came into prominence within 911 communities a little bit after 911 When he had a marathon symposium, this is very Michael embellish. I'm hearing you loud and clear. He had his 1772 hours, straight symposiums Sure, with a bunch of pilots trying to get to the bottom of what 911 Okay. And so they talk about this here a little bit.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:17:00.000)

If you'd have some questions, fire away, Alex.

Alex Jones (00:17:03.000)

Well, now you got these military officers together. And then I guess the only place I ever saw get reported on was here in Portugal talked about the symposium. Of course, I've read one of your fine books. And we'll talk about that as well a little bit later in the show and take some calls. But But But what was laid out when I saw in the four page article, you know, two years ago was turned out to be very accurate. Tell us about the military officers, the pilots, the civilian pilots that were there, and the conclusions you came to in the 72 hour nonstop meeting. Please go over that for us.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:17:41.000)

Okay, Alex?

Jordan (00:17:43.000)

Okay, Alex

Dan (00:17:45.000)

72 hour nonstop meeting about 911? Sounds like hell, I can't

Jordan (00:17:49.000)

think of anything less interesting to me. Then a bunch of people use for 72 hours,

Dan (00:17:55.000)

you'd be hallucinating? Absolutely, absolutely. Like what is what is happening, you'd accept any kind of wacky conclusion.

Jordan (00:18:03.000)

A bunch of pilots are set are shouting random pilot nonsense at me about planes and how the buildings don't work like that. So

Dan (00:18:09.000)

some of the things that I know about Don the Grand Prix his conclusions about 911 that Alex is signing off on here and saying he's increased his conclusions are that Israel did it. Oh, that the planes were military aircraft, and they were remote controlled into the tower, okay, and that the commercial jets that were supposed to be those planes share, they were placed somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, but Don doesn't know where it is, and no one has ever found them. Okay, so those are the conclusions that Alex signed off on. Okay,

Jordan (00:18:36.000)

so so so if I understand correctly, all right. Here is the plan to 911. Right? We've got these planes. We can't use them, right? Because they need pilots and stuff. Okay, so we got to build remote controlled exact replicas of those planes. But if people look for those planes, we have to make sure that they can't find them. Otherwise, they'll know that we made replicas of the planes, that and then so we just put them under the ocean. Yeah.

Dan (00:19:04.000)

I don't I don't see any problems here.

Jordan (00:19:08.000)

No, I'm just I'm just that's how that's how one would do is asking for the boss to sign off. This is how, okay, good. I'll go get it done that Yeah.

Dan (00:19:23.000)

But it's fun that Alex is just like, Yes, this is told us what happened. 100%. So dawn on the pilots. They got together, they had this 72 hour no sleep symposium marathon and they figured it out. And they came together and made a 24 page report. Okay. Now Don, fancies himself to be the best friend of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Well, you had your hand up.

Jordan (00:19:47.000)

I was just saying is everything done in the rule of threes now? Is everything divisible by 372 hours? 24 pages? Yeah. Three people speak today. Yeah. Sorry.

Dan (00:19:58.000)

911 divisible Why three? Oh, I don't think it is. Might be no 911? No, definitely not. So they get this 24 page report. Yeah, Don thinks that he's really good friends with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And so he sends it to them. And he thinks that he got a really positive response. Interesting.

Jordan (00:20:19.000)

Pleased over

Alex Jones (00:20:21.000)

that force.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:20:23.000)

Okay, Alex, the group of pilots, and they will remain anonymous, were wonderful mix of commercial, military and civilian pilots. And any rate after three days, the decisions were unanimous. And I wrote my 24 page report and submitted it to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. That report ultimately got into the hands of the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs on 23, January 2002. The general was US Marine Corps gentleman named Peter paste. And I got a telephone call five march from his horse, one of his horse holders, who is a colonel Air Force type. And he informed me that John Peter pace had gotten the 24 pages and that he in effect, had no comment at this time, but he used the old Marine Corps. lingo, semper fi are always faithful.

Dan (00:21:35.000)

So this is what he hangs his hat on in terms of like this Peter pace, right, Vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, right, giving him the wink. He said, semper fi, and so that means that like, I can't say anything, but I'm totally into this.

Jordan (00:21:52.000)

I mean, isn't that probably also how he like signs off on his emails? I would almost 100,000%

Dan (00:21:58.000)

Especially if it's a communique with somebody else who is served. Yes. You know, like, it seems meaningless.

Jordan (00:22:06.000)

I mean, it's like, Have a pleasant day. But you know, you're in the military. You can't be like, Have a pleasant day. You have to say super far. Yeah, we're,

Dan (00:22:12.000)

I think it's a sign off that is inconspicuous and doesn't, doesn't have a lot of meaning. But for Colonel don de Grand Prix, we have

Jordan (00:22:22.000)

confirmation that the highest levels know exactly the land board and their honesty. Yeah. Or at the very least, underground. They're on his team. So they can't go public. Right?

Dan (00:22:33.000)

Absolutely not. And that's why it appears that no one knows who.

Jordan (00:22:40.000)

It appears that so very well, yeah. It's a perfect illusion.

Dan (00:22:44.000)

This is one of them, like the message discipline across the army in terms of not knowing.

Jordan (00:22:51.000)

Whistleblowers, absolutely. No leaks.

Dan (00:22:55.000)

No cracking the facade. Brilliant acting amazing. So yeah, the chair, Peter pace, apparently made 500 copies of Don's report. Okay. And I was asked for details about this. And I will say that Don story is shaking. Okay.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:23:14.000)

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, had 500 copies in this 24 page report made and sent out, including the White House. And I have to say it was including President Bush

Alex Jones (00:23:29.000)

now, they got a copy of the report that was Meyers at the time. That is correct. And so I mean, if he sent out 500 copies, that would mean that he believed in.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:23:42.000)

I'm quite sure that he believed in it. And I think that he still believes in it. You can understand the difficulties. The the media administration, the civilian administration, of course, won't recognize it as such.

Alex Jones (00:24:01.000)

How did you find out that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs had sent this out?

Donn de Grand Pre (00:24:05.000)

I got a telephone call. And I think the date was five March 2002, stating that, at the time, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs had no comment. But he used the Marine Corps lingo. Semper Fi, semper fidelity, always faithful. And that triggered me further memos, and I created memos with General Peter paste. Dick Meyers. And they continued on

Alex Jones (00:24:42.000)

November of last year, that had to be upsetting to Mr. Rumsfeld to have all these no hundreds of your your report flying around the Pentagon.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:25:00.000)

There's a definite cleavage between the military of the Pentagon and the civilian hierarchy. and never the twain shall meet.

Dan (00:25:09.000)

I will say the Rumsfeld put on quite a brave face in, in, in, you know, dealing with this. On the Grand Prix he's almost uprising, quite frankly,

Jordan (00:25:21.000)

after watching a documentary entirely about Donald Rumsfeld, where they look directly into his eyes. I don't think he was bothered by much of anything at all. No, I think he might be a true psycho there.

Dan (00:25:33.000)

April 2005. Peter pace, the guy that he's supposedly trading stuff with became the joint chiefs of staff that had the chair of it. I don't think that he was on the outs with anybody in the administration, like Bush nominated him. And yeah, yeah, gave him a promotion. Yeah. So he, I mean, he would have been the conduit by which Meyers got the report that made the 500 copies. Well,

Jordan (00:25:56.000)

well, now we've got a new wrinkle. Okay. Okay. Now we've got a new wrinkle, he gets promoted immediately after receiving this specific information. He was rewarded for suppressing it three years later, exactly.

Dan (00:26:14.000)

So in 2002, you gotta remember, morale low, oh, real low. And so I will say that, based on what Don says, Here, I'm pretty glad that there's civilian control of the military.

Alex Jones (00:26:28.000)

Right after the event you talk about in mid 2002, The Washington Times saying the morale of the Pentagon had never been lower. And you would think it would be high, you know, after 911, and, you know, getting together to fight the enemy. But it said that the the officers didn't believe in the, quote, mission, or in the intelligence.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:26:52.000)

That is correct. That came out of the Washington Times. And I can verify that from Colonel Dix Schultz, who is a friend of mine and the Joint Chiefs. Morale was not only low, but he said, some of the troops are ready to mutiny. And if it wasn't for the fact that the government the civilian hierarchy, has control over retirements, etc. They'd probably be blood in the streets by now.

Dan (00:27:19.000)

That was what was stopping it. Retirement, right. pensions. Yeah, pensions. But if you if you okay, here's that stupid. Here's why. If you're willing to mutiny to the point where there's blood in the streets, you're going to die, or you're going to succeed and your objective, right? I don't think you're worried about your retirement plan as it stands, because if you succeed, you could create your own retirement plan. And if you fail, you're dead.

Jordan (00:27:51.000)

I know, I know, this makes sense. I know. It doesn't make sense to you. But I swear to you, it makes perfect sense. In all honesty, like teachers, teachers, no, no, no, no, it'll get to the point after like, 20 years, they will not talk about students, they won't talk about their lives. They'll just be like, here's the number of years left. I have until I get my pension.

Dan (00:28:11.000)

I own it. I understand they care about

Jordan (00:28:13.000)

nothing else.

Dan (00:28:15.000)

I'm talking about a bloody coup.

Jordan (00:28:16.000)

Sure. You think a school couldn't see what

Dan (00:28:20.000)

I can I can I can see how we might feel in a classroom is like There's blood on the stakes. And, you know, it's like insurrection against the US government. But it might actually, no, I think if people had been all armed on January 6, I think a lot more people would have died. Yeah. Like if they were if they were coming in shooting into the the Capitol.

Jordan (00:28:43.000)

Yeah, that would have gone bad,

Dan (00:28:44.000)

right. If what he's describing is not analogous to yours. Oh, no,

Jordan (00:28:50.000)

absolutely not. It was a Yeah, it's

Dan (00:28:54.000)

but it is the kind of thing that you might say to someone like him if you didn't want to agree with him and like, join up like you no reason other than Saturday's a big pension. Yeah. What are you gonna do?

Jordan (00:29:05.000)

Yeah, listen, I would have a body count in the 1000s by now, but they hold my pension.

Dan (00:29:10.000)

Yeah. It seems like a good excuse and conversation Ender. You're hanging out with Dawn to Grand Prix? Hey, I

Jordan (00:29:16.000)

think we should probably, you know, let's cause some real havoc. Oh, yeah. Oh, you know, I would, I would, oh, I knew knee.

Dan (00:29:26.000)

But on the off chance that Don the Grand Prix is right. Now. Let's keep those retirements under the control of

Jordan (00:29:33.000)

sure we do that. Let's make sure we do that.

Dan (00:29:35.000)

So I said that. Don's a little bit Stevie a little panicky. Sure. And you might get a little bit of that sense here.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:29:44.000)

So we're in a world of hurt, Alex.

Alex Jones (00:29:47.000)

Now Baku de taught you mean another intensification of a reverse coup d'etat. Keep the people from fighting against the New World Order. Or do you mean the type that Bill Clinton successfully stopped in his ministry? ration?

Donn de Grand Pre (00:30:01.000)

Well, I'm talking about the administrative coup d'etat that came off September 11. You're talking about an intensification

Alex Jones (00:30:06.000)

you're talking about an intensification of the elite in a coup d'etat against America. That is correct. Well, let me touch on going there, federalizing everything there militarizing everything that they're engaging in the classic takeover. Are they not?

Donn de Grand Pre (00:30:23.000)

Yes, they are. And from this, Alex, and I bring this up very clearly in Book Three. The only way we can stop it is with the classic counter coup d'etat. Where the military steps in class and under the aegis of the military itself disengaging or disembarking the civilian hierarchy and taking over and rerunning and reorganizing the federal government that goes so well.

Alex Jones (00:30:59.000)

Now, the problem is they've got so many CFR minions in the Pentagon. That's the problem. We know that Clinton had some officers terminated in their opposite, you know, shot multiple times and the rest of it. We know that happened. But the question is, how many of the high level officers are on the globalist team?

Donn de Grand Pre (00:31:23.000)

I can only say several of the highest level are members now the Council of Foreign Relations.

Dan (00:31:31.000)

We're gonna take all of them out. Yeah. I

Jordan (00:31:32.000)

mean, yeah, that's got it. They gotta go. So

Dan (00:31:34.000)

yeah, he wants like a military coup, basically. But it's a counter coup. Sure, in the same way that the 2016 election was contextualized. For Alex, you know, there's there's almost a mirror parallel between this Yeah. Yeah. In a 911 was the coup that these people committed? And then we're just doing the camera coup?

Jordan (00:31:57.000)

Yeah, it is. It is fun. To watch people feel like they're having a conversation with the news or what, or whatever, you know, we're having

Dan (00:32:07.000)

a conversation, yes

Jordan (00:32:08.000)

or no, no, I mean, more like, okay, in response to 911 We're going to perform a coup. Right? That doesn't make sense. You can't do that. What you have to do is say, Uh huh. 911 was a coup. So I'm not doing a coup 911 doing the right thing.

Dan (00:32:23.000)

911 was the event that like, catalyzed the administrative coup with the government, right. Yeah. Now? Yeah. So we're just trying to bring it back. Yeah,

Jordan (00:32:34.000)

we're not mad about. We're not about it. It's not that the stuff is bad before anything. It's completely different. Now, there's an administrative coup that we all know about, because it's ever I mean, you can't avoid it. Yeah, right. It's in your face all the time. I think

Dan (00:32:48.000)

what bothers me more is the way that this is so similar to stuff in the Trump election. Yeah, I don't I don't enjoy it when stuff that big is reruns kind of you know what it is?

Jordan (00:33:01.000)

Yeah. I mean, 20 years should be longer. 20 years should be a lot longer. You know, like, we can joke about how old dogma is. But I mean, the dogma of the right shouldn't be the same, you know, and I mean, unfortunate that that wordplay happened, and I apologize for it.

Dan (00:33:18.000)

But that would be like somebody making dogma again, pretending the first one didn't happen. That's what we're doing. Yeah, he's doing Yeah, God, it's just so annoying. So, Don, has a little story about Wolfowitz.

Alex Jones (00:33:33.000)

Okay. Do you think the globalists are going to have the will to carry out another massive attack here in the US to try to get control back over the population and get their agenda back on track? Or do you think they've calculated computed as you said, that that will blow up in their face? Because so many people now know who the real terrorists are?

Donn de Grand Pre (00:33:56.000)

Well, that's a two prong question, Alex. I think it deserves a studied answer. The only thing I can say is I'm not sure how it'll turn out. But it is very dangerous.

Alex Jones (00:34:14.000)

Well, I know from from watching the globalist. I think they had a plan. They're still following a plan. But I think they're shook up I think, from the evidence backed I know from the evidence, a lot of things they plan haven't gone according to schedule, and so they don't know what to do right now.

Donn de Grand Pre (00:34:30.000)

This is correct. I think it's personified in the persona of the Deputy Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz. They almost got him in Baghdad when they fired the salvo one night of weaponry. And they scared Paul Wolfowitz off he's ready to resign or

Alex Jones (00:34:53.000)

you think you think that was US forces doing that?

Donn de Grand Pre (00:34:57.000)

I believe it. It was very wet to swing down and we go

Alex Jones (00:35:02.000)

God, only US forces would know that he would be there. Yeah, yeah.

Dan (00:35:06.000)

Correct. Yeah. So yeah, the US forces tried to blow up. tried to kill the wolf. Yeah. Just I believe this to be true is the your backup for it? I'm gonna go ahead and say no,

Jordan (00:35:23.000)

I am I'm not. I am not impressed. But there is a certain level of Yes, sanding that I think they achieve, just by virtue of actually trying to live in the reality,

Dan (00:35:35.000)

the reality that they're constructing at all time. Yeah, exactly.

Jordan (00:35:38.000)

You know, sanding is so in incredibly like, Oh, of course. Yeah.

Dan (00:35:45.000)

Even if you have to contradict the last thing that was said. Very contradict. Yeah,

Jordan (00:35:49.000)

the very last thing that was said the last sentence

Dan (00:35:53.000)

or else you're gonna run into too much conflict, and it's no good, amazing. So Don, is interviewed. Not all that interesting. Outside of these little bits. They agreed to stay in touch. So we will see more of Don the Grand Prix. Not anymore, but in the past. We got because I got bad news. Oh, is he okay? He's not. Oh, sure. So the rest of the show Alex takes calls and we just have one here. That is of note.

Caller 1 (819) (00:36:20.000)

Yeah, but our whole for a while already kind of desks which subjects like this, but talking about the passion?

Alex Jones (00:36:25.000)

The Passion of Christ.

Caller 1 (819) (00:36:27.000)

Right, right. The movie? I had a question. I've known in the past that you've talked about people who do these movies like the like the skulls, and you kind of you kind of paint a picture that is you know, it's some agenda to the take away from the legitimacy of the argument. And I wonder when you talk about fear, see theory. It's also a Mel Gibson movie that you don't kind of put it in those same terms. And really,

Alex Jones (00:36:50.000)

I mean, I'm not going to tell you what I know about Mel Gibson but I know a lot of private stuff and I know the family and I've met a lot of the family and I'm not going to go further but Mel Gibson is the real deal and knows as much as I do about the New World Order. And you know, listen to the shows, watches my videos, knows all knew about the new world order when I was in diapers. It Mel Gibson's the real deal. Colonel, you have any comments about Mel Gibson?

Donn de Grand Pre (00:37:16.000)

I know him personally. And I know his father, who is a dear friend of mine. He was originally from San Antonio, Texas, and now moved to West Virginia. Still very active at five.

Dan (00:37:31.000)

Oh, Dawn, you and hugging her friends. I? What do you possibly have in common?

Jordan (00:37:36.000)

I have two very specific details, thus proving everything that I have said so far. I wouldn't

Dan (00:37:42.000)

be surprised if you have no friends that both Holocaust denier No,

Jordan (00:37:45.000)

they wouldn't be friends. Yeah, they would like each other. Yeah,

Dan (00:37:49.000)

yeah. But I don't know. I feel like I feel like that's one I can I can kind of believe as possible. Seems accessible. Yeah, he's friends with Alex ish.

Jordan (00:38:00.000)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, if you're if you're a famous anti Semite, after growing in popularity after 911, then yeah, Hutton's gonna be like whoa, serpents.

Dan (00:38:12.000)

Amen. Yeah, yeah. So I kind of I kind of, I thought that was an interesting parallel. Yeah. Dawn and dawn to Grand Prix hanging out and Gibson. Wow, what a world it is a closed circle. Anti Semite. World. Yeah. So Alex saw the passion that Day on February 26. That comes into the studio. And he wants to just take calls on it. He wants to talk about the measure.

Jordan (00:38:35.000)

Let's just talk about it.

Alex Jones (00:38:36.000)

All right, my friend. It's now Thursday, the 26th day of February Oh, four. I saw the Passion of the Christ. Last night. It was an excellent film. And I'll give you my my review of it. And in fact, we're gonna open the phones up in the second segment of the show here in about seven minutes. Now we're gonna go right to your calls for those that have seen the passion or would like to comment on the media spin about the film. I will go directly to your calls at 1-800-259-9231. That's 1-800-259-9231. Just talking to Scott is running the show. He saw a pre screening of it last night and said he thought it was a great film. I mean, there are many movies that are quote, more violent, you know, hundreds of people being killed demons ripping people's guts out. The passion is historical. We only had a rabbi on television on Scarborough country going this is historical. The Jewish historians the Roman historians told the same story. This is what happened to the most famous individual in world history. Jesus Christ.

Dan (00:39:59.000)

Yeah. So it looks like it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do think that it is a fair point that there have been other movies that are more violent. That being said, The Passion of the Christ is grotesquely violent.

Jordan (00:40:12.000)

Is it? I don't remember it. I know. She's get

Dan (00:40:16.000)

his ass kicked the whole time. A half hours of blood.

Jordan (00:40:20.000)

No. And I know and I know why people get reacted to that. But you know, I was raised in this I saw Christ die so many times. I saw Christ die all day.

Dan (00:40:28.000)

Yeah, I think it's a more graphic depiction that is often made. And it's gratuitous. Yeah, I mean, just from a film stamp. Sure. Sure. It's, it's a lot. Alex talks a lot about the cat o nine tails and how it rips flesh off and

Jordan (00:40:43.000)

Oh, so it's very tortured. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It.

Dan (00:40:47.000)

It makes a point. I mean, obviously in the best interpretation, you can, you can have it's that you know, wants to you bring to the forefront, the minutia and the reality of the pain that Christ went through. Sure,

Jordan (00:41:01.000)

sure. He died for your sins, you should know what it felt like for him to die for your sins. That's the point what

Dan (00:41:06.000)

Yeah, I can understand where someone you know, who believes that might be, you know, coming from, but as a viewer, I found I found that aspect of the film to be difficult. Yeah, yes, it was a lot. Very violent and intimately violent. Yeah,

Jordan (00:41:21.000)

that's creepy. That's it's almost, I mean, when you when you have that kind of violence in a reverential way, then you kind of glorify the violence, maybe as much as you do. The guy.

Dan (00:41:38.000)

The argument that is made on Alex's show is actually that it's an anti violence film. And not only that, Alex believes that cops that go see it will be less likely to be both people. Yeah. Oh, interesting. People that are arresting because they'll see the violence and all right, well,

Jordan (00:41:57.000)

let's go to the future real quick. All right. How are we doing with the less violent cops? Dan,

Dan (00:42:02.000)

I don't have any study that tracks before and after. So I can't comment on this, though. Police brutality has not been solved.

Jordan (00:42:11.000)

All right. Well, we can go back to the past. Okay.

Dan (00:42:15.000)

So they're one of the things that is like, the cornerstone of the argument about this is it's all biblical. I'm sure this is a that's why sometimes these Jewish people come off looking really terrible, because I have to be literally accurate to the word of the Bible. So that's the whole thing, the song and dance that Mel and Alex have been doing, right? Unfortunately, there's some creative life I was gonna say.

Alex Jones (00:42:39.000)

And there were maybe two or three things in there that were license of the writers Mel Gibson, and the Director Mel Gibson, you know that there wasn't really a crow there, you know, trying to pull the eyeball out of one of the people on the cross. But other than that, just a few other things. Just amazing. Very moving. You You don't have a heart if you don't cry. I mean, I couldn't help it. I just love love Jesus Christ and and but even if I wasn't a Christian, that would have brought me to tears and I saw 330 showing it was jam packed. The entire theater was full.

Dan (00:43:23.000)

Yeah, that's a good environment to see something emotionally.

Jordan (00:43:27.000)

Does everybody cheer when he dies? They have to cheer right? You have to cheer I think you have to cheer when Jesus dies feel

Dan (00:43:33.000)

like the resurrection is more what you cheer about your show that in the movie did your very solemn when he

Jordan (00:43:39.000)

dies? It's all the same.

Dan (00:43:41.000)

I guess it is part of the process. Yeah,

Jordan (00:43:43.000)

I mean, it's the same thing alive. Dead. He was always both he was been he's been alive before we were he'll be alive after we were we saw him die for a little bit. But even then, that was like a few days in his lifetime, which is infinite. That's practically a vacation. I bet he loved being dead. How

Dan (00:43:58.000)

many days?

Jordan (00:44:00.000)

Three? Oh, shit. We're back seven.

Dan (00:44:03.000)

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like this was thankfully just after I got out of church stuff. Yeah. Because otherwise I'm certain that I would have been, you know, like, if I was just a few years younger. I would have been in my K life and going to youth group stuff. Yeah. And being on the bus going to go into a screening and probably crying. You know, along with my friends.

Jordan (00:44:33.000)

I mean, I know. I know. I saw it in the theater. I know. I went in a church bus. I know that I was shuttled there. I do not remember the movie or anyone available in those memories. Yeah, I have

Dan (00:44:46.000)

a bus. I have discovered weed by this point. Yeah. And I was in college.

Jordan (00:44:50.000)

I was I think I was like, what? 17? Yeah, no, because I think so. I would have 1004 would have been 17 for me. Yeah.

Dan (00:44:58.000)

Oh, yeah. I guess I would have been 20 Honey. Yeah, yeah, you definitely discovered weed by then. Yeah. Ha. For some reason I thought I was 18. No, yeah. No 2004 Yeah, that that actually I was, it was my first year of college was a little bit shaky. Yeah. So I was fully into in college by this Gotcha. And yeah, that thankfully, I missed that. Because I, oh, man, I remember we went on a K life mission trip one time. And in the, the, I don't know, I don't it wasn't a hotel we were staying in. But it was like this big room. And then it gets it. And then there were like other rooms with bunks and stuff, but like it was the center room chair. And one night the leaders brought out like a cross. And right, yeah. And then we sat by like candle light. And then you're supposed to like, confess a sin and then drive a nail into Oh, and I remember everyone crying. And I of course, was right along. Because that would have been the total that I would have had if I had gone to the Passion of the Christ total, I would have been sucked up and subsumed into the feeling of the group. Oh,

Jordan (00:46:06.000)

that's that. I will. I mean, you can't argue. If you've if you've been to the, you know, like young Christian revivalist tent kind of shit. You cannot argue with being surrounded by other teenagers singing the same song and insanely horny out of your mind, but unable to do anything about it. Because you're at Christ camp. So you subsume all of that shit into Oh my God, God's real. Yeah, that's how it goes.

Dan (00:46:33.000)

There's, there's a lot of angles on it. And I'm, I'm grateful that I missed the passion. Yeah. So Alex believes that it's easy to give up your life for someone else. I don't believe him. I think he's an incredibly selfish. But Oh, whatever.

Alex Jones (00:46:51.000)

laying down your life for your brothers, your neighbors, your family, and for strangers is the most beautiful thing you can do. It takes so much strength and courage. But once you commit yourself to it, it's frankly, not that hard. And instinctively, and the trials and tribulations that I've been through, it is actually rewarding to not shell out to stand up against evil. And I would be honored someday to be chewed up by the New World Order. And in the fight against it

Dan (00:47:35.000)

might explain why the feta sizes consequences and pretends that they're a sign of his virtue. Yeah, yeah. Um, but also like, I, when I first heard that clip, and like, when he was talking, I was just like, you idiot. You wouldn't give up your life for your neighbor. What the fuck are you talking about it but then I kind of forgotten until I really listened to it just now that this is in the context of the Passion of the Christ. Yeah. And so he's saying that giving your life for people is easy. So what Christ did was easy,

Jordan (00:48:05.000)

didn't even have to struggle. Wasn't even that hard. Like, you know, those 40 days in the desert and stuff with the devil? Fucking great. Yeah, what a Chinese food the whole time,

Dan (00:48:14.000)

one of the things that you would not come away from that movie with is I will

Jordan (00:48:19.000)

do that tomorrow. What are we doing? Why do we make this guy famous? That's the first thing that I would say walking out of the show. Who is this guy?

Dan (00:48:27.000)

It's a weird thought for Alex to have on this day of any day.

Jordan (00:48:31.000)

I mean, it's like, it's the same thing with like, blaming the Jews for the death of Christ or anything. And it's like, man, the whole idea is that he was doing a thing. He had a whole thing going on. This was all the plan. Like the whole thing was part of the thing. So you can't be mad at any part of the thing.

Dan (00:48:48.000)

All because it's all the things are required for the thing.

Jordan (00:48:51.000)

Exactly. So you can't be mad at the things. The thing is the thing,

Dan (00:48:55.000)

huh? Right. That is that is, you know, that's the the Judas argument. Yeah, Judas didn't betray Jesus. He was part of fulfilling the plan, just doing the job and that the Gospel of Judas thing? I don't know. There's some extra. I don't remember that was

Jordan (00:49:11.000)

like, It's logical. And the words it's like, oh, this was my plan, then I guess all of it was the plan.

Dan (00:49:17.000)

Fair enough. So Alex makes a lot of calls on this. And man, I mean, they're just all like, it's good. It's good stuff. Great movie. Yeah, love it. And there's not not a whole lot of reason to listen to that a bunch. But one guy calls in and he is like, why would you call that movie historical question. I like the cloud like you. I like this. I like your world and all that. But that doesn't seem like the right word question. Hey,

Caller 2 (819) (00:49:46.000)

Alex, this is Joe. You know, I called up in the past and I supported everything that you've done. Supposing the New World Order and when it comes time, I will throw in my suit of armor and fight right beside.

Alex Jones (00:49:56.000)

Thank you.

Caller 2 (819) (00:49:59.000)

I have a couple of Comments, a couple of questions that a lot of this actually even concerns me. I didn't listen to you for a long time I have all your tapes, I think they're great.

Alex Jones (00:50:08.000)

Another one somebody prefaces a call without you. I'm a big supporter you but hey, go ahead, make your points, but

Caller 2 (819) (00:50:14.000)

I will I want your listeners get the wrong idea. I do support you. And I've been listening to your show. And a lot of times people do call up and you say you want to stick to the facts. You don't want to talk about hypotheticals, all the things that you can prove. And the whole beginning of the show, I've been here and this is a historical event. When and let me make my whole comment here. This is a historical event. This actually did happen. When really Alex, it's always good to have faith, I do believe in a creator. However, there really isn't enough documented evidence that I have seen other than a Bible that actually supports the theory, or the historical life or birth of Christ. And let me ask you, hold on, hold

Alex Jones (00:50:59.000)

on, let me put him on hold. Put them on hold because I'm on hold. We have a dialogue here and I get to talk to

Dan (00:51:07.000)

with you on hold. Yes, like saying I've never

Alex Jones (00:51:09.000)

seen George Washington. Where's the proofer? I've never seen you know, calendula. I'm sorry. EULA did live and there were there were a whole bunch of Jewish historians, Roman historians. It's true story. So just because you haven't bothered to look for the evidence, and about archaeology or history, which I do you know, more than most people, I can certainly learn a lot more, but I'm interested in these things. Yes. When I'm covering the news or legislation, I stick to the facts. Yes, I'm a Christian. Because I have faith in what I believe in. Can you say that? That's speculation? Yes. Okay. I mean, clearly, those two things are separate. And I don't have a quote, religious show, you know, I don't sit here and have secular debates and fights and you know, get into all this. Talking about the passion and but now going on now and you can finish up

Dan (00:52:01.000)

so the the like, I have my faith, clearly those two things are separate. And the only thing you can say that is mine anymore. Fuck you. Yeah. that ever was the case. It is. Yeah,

Jordan (00:52:13.000)

get that shit out of my face. Yeah. Good heavens.

Dan (00:52:16.000)

Wow. See, I think that's a little bit disingenuous. Yeah. But the caller. I mean, he has he has a, you know, sort of the same issue that you were bringing up with the bird. It's like, you weren't there. You don't know, ya know that a bird didn't poke at someone's eye. Really?

Jordan (00:52:35.000)

Why not? Birds love to poke at dead people's eyes. I buy that more than I buy the Jesus came back to life. How about that? Yeah.

Dan (00:52:43.000)

So I think that this caller also has a really good point. That is still an issue with Alex's show, even as it comes to like the Sandy Hook trials and, and stuff. And that is that he does not do a good job of delineating when he is doing X, Y or Z. Yeah. When are you reporting? When are you commenting? When are you making shit up? When are you pretending to do satire? Like he doesn't do a good job of that. So you could hear him talking about how everything in this movie is historically accurate. Yeah. And be like, Oh, this is News reporting that he's doing right. There's no way to know there's no different hat that he puts on right.

Jordan (00:53:22.000)

Well, that's I mean, that's why Fox News got away with it so long in plain sight is because they'd be like, Haha, no, no, are crazy, right wing opinion. People only show up at seven. Until then we're all very, very wise, very smart, regular people, then we go crazy. You know, Alex is like, I'm all of it once. Ah, yeah.

Dan (00:53:43.000)

And you can never really know which is which? And that's by design. Yeah, yeah. So this color, the same color. Eventually, it gets a little bit anti Bible. And Alex isn't. Hello.

Caller 2 (819) (00:53:53.000)

All right. Yeah, I can appreciate the comment. But what I want to say is, do you think for one moment, that if a Bible had the power that everyone puts into this book, that the new world order would give them out for free in every motel, so that you can defeat their God? Well, that that book would be in the bottom of the Vatican. With a lock on it so tight. You know, it's

Alex Jones (00:54:19.000)

funny that you won't even know about that. No, it's funny, you ask a question, and then you start talking. Hey, listen, I gotta let you go. I gotta let you go. Because Because what I said is we're talking about passion. And we're taking calls some other day, we can have this debate where you can call back the third hour after we broadcast this interview, because it's very important interview, and we could talk more you know, the Gideons paid to have Bibles put into churches and and then and in hotel rooms and and other places. And that's what made America free and that's what made for him. Sorry, the Gideons can have half the wealth. Now we're becoming decadent. We're losing the wealth. We're losing the freedom. We're losing the milk and honey, we're going back into bondage. Yeah.

Jordan (00:54:57.000)

Well then tell the Gideons to spend more on Bibles. They clearly understood and they diagnose the problem.

Dan (00:55:04.000)

Yeah, the games aren't doing enough it means we're doing everything

Jordan (00:55:07.000)

right. And now they're not. So we need to get them back on

Dan (00:55:10.000)

board. Yeah, stop smoking. Come back to work.

Jordan (00:55:14.000)

You put Bibles in hotels, and then everything got great. Yeah, where we are,

Dan (00:55:18.000)

well, people stopped being surprised by the Bible being,

Jordan (00:55:24.000)

oh, there's a Bible here they will everybody knows about the Bible, or maybe

Dan (00:55:27.000)

there's less people who were at the end of their rope and hotel. Who knows exactly what the situation is?

Jordan (00:55:36.000)

Not a lot of motel converts these days. I see. I feel

Dan (00:55:39.000)

like it's really weird. That sentence that Alex had the Gideons put Bibles everywhere, and that's what made America free. They

Jordan (00:55:47.000)

did. It did come out of his mouth, and he didn't take it back. He said strongly and directly, the Gideons put Bibles everywhere, and that's what made America free. Yep. Okay. Well then fucking get to work. Gideons. Yeah, Jesus.

Dan (00:56:02.000)

So Alex plays the the interview that he did with Michael Shrimpton. A couple of days prior, he just replays that whole thing for the second hour. Gotcha. So that's that. There's a call here that I think is really a illuminating.

Alex Jones (00:56:19.000)

Let's talk to Mildred in Colorado. Mildred. Go ahead.

Caller 3 (819) (00:56:23.000)

Hi, Alex. I was wondering what your definition of Zionist is. Interesting, I think since the first of your show, and you were speaking that of being of not being anti semitic. And that's right. I'm not against some you spoke of someone who was anti Zionist, and you seem to agree with them. And so I just needed to know your definition of Zionist?

Alex Jones (00:56:47.000)

Well, I'm against, say Metria who says that they hate white people and blacks or? Ma'am, just just let me answer your question. Okay. I'm against a matchup because they say they don't like certain races and that they're the best. Okay, I'm against the Ku Klux Klan, because they say that about whites, and, and Zionist, you know, the real king, daddy or real Zionist, you know, thinks that they're the best and everybody else is basically dog meat. And so that's who I'm talking about. And most Jews are not Zionist. So I'm against racist Jews. I'm against racist blacks. I'm against racist Germans. And so that's what I said.

Caller 3 (819) (00:57:31.000)

You don't think Zionism means that you support Israel as a name?

Alex Jones (00:57:36.000)

No, that's not what it means. If you really look at what what the real Zionism is, it's a lot more than that. You get the real emanation by Israel, of a certain group of people. I can have a bunch of rabbis up and tell you that if you'd like me to, I would like for you to. Okay, well, you better research what the Zionist say. I mean, they don't, they don't have a very good view of people who aren't Jewish. And stuff.

Dan (00:58:05.000)

So if the definition of Zionist were racist to Jewish person, sure, then the Alex would make some sense. I have to say, Yeah, I'm pretty convinced that Alex's definition of Zionist is based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Yeah. I think that the what he's describing fairly well lines up with that being the writings that he's talking about. And that troubles me.

Jordan (00:58:34.000)

Yeah, I mean, the thing about Zionism, and the word specifically, is that because of the way that it's been used by everybody, it doesn't have a set, like everybody agrees this is what Zionist right? You know,

Dan (00:58:52.000)

you bring people bring a lot of their own. Right, like ideas and feelings and to the table, which is

Jordan (00:58:58.000)

why interchangeably, Alex can use it with Semitism or whatever with his other white nationalist friends. That sign Zionism is the same thing as being Jewish. So yeah, throw that word in there, you know, but because it means something else to people outside of that space. Alex can then use that as being like, no, no, no. See, that's why I'm not anti semitic. When I say Zionism, I'm speaking specifically of something when he's not he's not he's, it's interchangeable.

Dan (00:59:28.000)

And I would have a certain amount more respect for Alex's point that he's making. If there was more of a feeling of, like, you know, concern about the Palestinians. Yeah, you know, that that kind of a conversation of his like, feelings of being against Zion Zionism? Yeah. As it stands, the definition of racist Jewish person seems stupid. And like I said, based on the proposed

Jordan (01:00:00.000)

and once again, one of the most terrifying and awful things that has happened in the intervening time. He's a big fan of racist Jews now. He loves Netanyahu. Netanyahu is the canary in the coal mine. He loves racist Jews.

Dan (01:00:16.000)

He has a conflicted relationship with Netanyahu. He's got a difficult a canary in the coal mine was six years ago,

Jordan (01:00:22.000)

ya know, whatever. Um, we're, I don't even know where I'm unstuck in time. I'm Kurt Vonnegut doing it today.

Dan (01:00:28.000)

Okay, so the 27th comes along. And we only have a few clips of this too, because you just take some calls and it's kind of boring. She's in a bit of a holding pattern here. But he is pretty hardcore on the ADL is creating anti semitism Ark here, okay.

Alex Jones (01:00:46.000)

And I can't believe what the anti Semites have done. And I mean, the ADL and others, they really are creating anti semitism, like no one else could hold the Klan members and all the Aryan Nation members, All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't do this. But but the ADL and others could, and I heard that to our Rabbi Daniel Lapin on the radio today, and he's the guy that wrote that editorial a few days ago. And he said it he said, This is the so called Jewish groups are the ones really causing a problem because nobody would have thought ill of the Jews. Because Jews and the Romans were involved in killing Christ, it was the corrupt government. But to have them saying Mel Gibson, you're blackballed. It's over for you. You'll never work in this town. Again, you're not gonna get any support by major production companies that Mel Gibson has made hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean, he's a major commodity. Every film he's done has been a success. Do you know that? He's, he's the only person in Hollywood and I've read this in entertainment publications, who's never had a failure. Very interesting.

Dan (01:01:58.000)

That that's not true.

Jordan (01:01:59.000)

Is that interesting? No, I don't think that's interesting.

Dan (01:02:01.000)

It's pretty crazy though to look back through Mel Gibson's filmography. Like he was in a ton of hits pretty consistently. Yeah, got the Mad Max series, Lethal Weapon series, Maverick Braveheart, Pocahontas. That's nothing to sneeze at in terms of box off his 90s Where, whoa. That being said, there are also some not so successful movies in there that Alex has just forgotten about. For instance, in 1984, he had the river that lost $7 million at the box office, the Year of Living Dangerously lost about 3 million. His take on Hamlet and the man without a face barely broke even. But let's not forget that Mel's most recent movie at this point was Signs that may have done pretty well at the box office, but it bombed in my heart. Yeah, yeah. How dare you. He had a pretty good track record. But you know, these like a lot of top tier actors, there are some whiffs in the mix. But generally their star power is enough to make the money back and you just kind of forget about those ones that people do that. Unless they're like super embarrassing, or they lead to the end of someone's like star. Yeah, you generally forget about the, like, stray films that just didn't work out. Right. Alex is pretending that Mel is the only sure thing in Hollywood to make it seem like even more of a self defeating move for people to not want to work with him. And I guess if Alex thinks it's bad now just wait until he sees how few people want to hang out with him after that DUI. Oh, boy. Things get real bad

Jordan (01:03:25.000)

then. Yup. Yep. He turns into a character actor, Alex, he turns into a character actor.

Dan (01:03:31.000)

So um, you know, you've got this, this idea that the ADL is creating this backlash, and they're creating the anti semitism through their pointing out of anti semitism. Right, right. Right. And just to give a little example of how serious Alex is taking this, I present to you him reporting on an article that he doesn't even know if it's real.

Alex Jones (01:03:54.000)

And I'm gonna go to some calls, but later, I'm gonna read this article. I don't know if this is a real article. Because I can't find capital press in Google or anywhere on a search engine. I can't find Jews against anti semitism anywhere. And occasionally, there are fake news articles that come out recently. There's a few other telltale signs. There is a typo in it. But I mean, I don't doubt it because I've seen stuff like this. Find out this is a real story. And it says Jewish groups calls the passion an act of terrorism. A prominent Jewish I suppose from Capitol press, whoever that is. A prominent Jewish organization has announced Mel Gibson the passion as an act of terrorism and can prove the movie violates the Patriot Act. Yes, Alex

Dan (01:04:49.000)

is so desperate to cover stories of like, things that he can say like all these Jewish citing all this you know, like that he's covering a story that even as As he's covering it, he can't even get himself to say I believe that this. This is true. Yeah, I don't know if any of those are true, but hey, it suits the narrative. That is

Jordan (01:05:09.000)

that is what he said. And that's bananas. Yep. That's bananas.

Dan (01:05:13.000)

It's irresponsible. I mean, okay, it definitely shows that he reports what he wants to be the narrative. I mean, I

Jordan (01:05:21.000)

guess you have to report it. Like, I listen, I know, this isn't true, then stop. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I after you say, I don't know if this is true, you should just stop, right? I mean, it's not like when I'm just throwing shit out there. I don't know if it's true. But I'm not reading something that I'm about to present to you as a good argument. Oh,

Dan (01:05:39.000)

it's always fine to like, spit ball some stuff. Some ideas? Take out an idea. Yeah, it's not really great to cover news articles on your news show with the preface of this could be bullshit.

Jordan (01:05:52.000)

And there's a few telltale signs like I've never heard of where it's from. And there's a bunch of typos in it. Seems like this might be a prime example of a fake thing.

Dan (01:06:02.000)

Yeah. And it sounds like exactly the kind of thing that someone in my community might write the Patriot stuff.

Jordan (01:06:09.000)

Yeah. Wow, this really fits right into what I believe almost as if somebody who believes exactly what I believe erode it.

Dan (01:06:18.000)

Odd, but it's probably true, because I've seen so many other things.

Jordan (01:06:22.000)

I see it all the time. This is if this is fake, it's just a good fish. Such

Dan (01:06:25.000)

a good thing. Yeah. So we have one last clip. And it's a caller, who wants to ask Alex about old HUD and Gibson, and maybe maybe some other things that hadn't come out by this point. Oh, because Alex has a little bit of a different answer.

Alex Jones (01:06:44.000)

Bob, where are you calling us from?

Caller 4 (819) (01:06:46.000)

I call us right away. Alex, how are you? I'm good. I haven't listened to you for a couple of years. And I love you like a brother. You tell the truth. Right on. And but I disagree with you on one point. But first, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about the passion. I went to see that on Wednesday very moving film, all Christians should go see that movie. It's incredible. It's causing quite a stir as you're well aware with the Gibson family hunting Gibson and Mel, of course, but particularly they seem to be after Hutton. And because of his views on the Holocaust and these types of things.

Alex Jones (01:07:13.000)

He never told me those views. I've asked him about that a year ago. And he said different something different. So he did. Sure. Did you know he's not backing down as he and I just told you about a year ago? Well, I was talking to HUD and I said, you know, I've heard this. And HUD and Gibson says the Catholic Church is corrupt HUD and Gibson. And rightly so that almost everything is infiltrated. It is. He doesn't like Hitler. You can ask him about that.

Jordan (01:07:44.000)

Oh, cool. You're speaking to the wrong audience. This guy is trying to tell you how great it is that Hutton denies the Holocaust. Yeah, he's backing down backing down. Is he? Oh, is he about to tell me that the Holocaust happened? Because I do not

Dan (01:07:58.000)

agree. But I think that's why Alex keeps talking. Yeah.

Jordan (01:08:02.000)

He's starting to get he's starting to get an inkling and register.

Dan (01:08:05.000)

Oh, Holocaust denier on the phone. So the weird thing is Alex's kind of distancing him a little bit from those ideas. And from Hutton being a Holocaust denier, you know, just being like, I talked about it. No, I didn't know this stuff. But then he's also making excuses for it and being like, ah, you know, he thinks everybody's corrupt. I mean, yeah. And he talks himself all the way around to they're just saying this stuff to attack, Mel. Yeah. And Alex is, I guess, fine with it. I mean, there's a why wouldn't he be? Everyone around him is a holocaust.

Jordan (01:08:39.000)

Exactly. That he believes it happened is under debate, but I guess is possible. He has

Dan (01:08:46.000)

not given, like concrete reason to think that he doesn't. Yeah, but if he does believe the Holocaust happened. He is a minority in his Yeah. The people who are on his show

Jordan (01:09:00.000)

when he goes to a party. Yeah, there are very few people who agree that the Holocaust happened at that party.

Dan (01:09:07.000)

Yeah, if any. I mean, I think we've talked about this before, but it bears repeating that it is just surprising how much of this is just on? It's been that full display in 2004. Yeah. I think I think the world could have done with like, a better understanding of what this was, yeah, at that time. And it could have cut some of this off at the past and like really restricted Alex to a place where he was understood to be what he is, which is, you know, fairly storm front ish, you know, maybe not as bad and explicit and, you know, dangerous as that maybe storm front light. With sprinkled the front.

Jordan (01:09:50.000)

You know, I'm going to I'm going to say I think one of our big problems with this is actually parental advisory lyrics. See that kind of work? I mean, no, not really. But you know, who fought against the fact that we can use euphemisms as though they're not the same words, you know, like, Oh no, you can't say fuck say fridge. That's That's absurd. And it doesn't make any sense. And that is also why we are allowed to get people like Alex who say the exact same shit but they use euphemisms and so you go oh, well, that's acceptable.

Dan (01:10:27.000)

Yeah, you hide behind the plausible deniability. Yeah. If I say slightly different language.

Jordan (01:10:31.000)

If I say fudge you I fucking mean it. You know? Like, that's, that's the idea here. And when he says, oh, you know, Hutton, he thinks the Catholic Church is corrupt. He's saying the same thing.

Dan (01:10:42.000)

He's saying that yeah, the Holocaust didn't happen as we understand it, but everybody's corrupt. Exactly. Like okay, yeah,

Jordan (01:10:49.000)

that didn't know that's not good. That's not good enough. That's not good enough. You are either agreeing or saying it is okay.

Dan (01:10:55.000)

Especially in the context of just earlier in this episode he's talking to Colonel don de grande present believes that the Holocaust was faked to gain the sympathy of the West totally for Jewish people so they could more easily take over society. Yeah, I mean, I mean, what are we doing? That's why didn't even

Jordan (01:11:12.000)

more insane argument, especially in their world is because the argument isn't like, oh, did the Holocaust happen or not? You can be on the spectrum. The argument is, should we be mad at Jews for the Holocaust?

Dan (01:11:25.000)

Yes. Yeah, some of those folks definitely have that.

Jordan (01:11:31.000)

I mean, even if you think it's real it's like well, yeah, but it's their fault they did it and you're like, what? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh my god.

Dan (01:11:40.000)

Messy. Oh, so much for going back to the past. Yeah, break

Jordan (01:11:45.000)

right. Jesus dammit.

Dan (01:11:48.000)

But you can't win no, Alex like passionate the Christ though. And I hope that that chapter has come to a close because it seems like these 2004 episodes it's been kind of a like Game of like, build up towards the crescendo and hopefully that's this. Yeah, that because I can't take much more of him yelling about ADL creating he Semitism by critiquing Mel Gibson.

Jordan (01:12:07.000)

She's tired of it. Yep.

Dan (01:12:11.000)

Anyway, we'll be back. Indeed we will. But until then, Jordan, we have a website.

Jordan (01:12:16.000)

Indeed we do. It's called try.com. hit browse on Twitter. We are on Twitter at that knowledge underscore fight.

Dan (01:12:20.000)

Yeah. We'll be back but until then, I'm Neo I'm Leo and DCX quarks.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:31.000)

Now here comes the Sex Robot.

Alex Jones (01:12:33.000)

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Caller 1 (819) (01:12:37.000)

So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.