Transcript/810: February 18-23, 2004

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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:58.000)

Hello, everybody welcome back and I'll try to like sit around Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, what is it like to sit around the elders lane and take a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh

Jordan (00:01:17.000)

indeed we

Dan (00:01:17.000)

do Dan lately wrong with my headphones. I think that threw me off a little I gotcha. Yeah, I think that's a little bit a little bit soft. Yeah, I'm not sure what it was there's there's something strange sound Yeah, I think we're better now.

Jordan (00:01:29.000)

I think we covered we could restart but we just alone. This is this is free behind the scenes shit. It

Dan (00:01:35.000)

was too gold. It was too good to solid.

Jordan (00:01:38.000)

Indeed. We are Dan. What's up? What's your red spot today, buddy?

Dan (00:01:44.000)

My bright spot. Jordan is irony. Irony. Well, actually, I have two bright spots. One is irony, which I'll get back to in a minute. And the second is I got burned by novelty once again. Oh, I was at the Walgreens ironically. Maybe? I don't know. Just unfortunately. Well, there is. I mean, there's a slight irony to it, which we'll we'll get to in a minute. So I was at the Walgreens picking up some things. And I wander through the chip aisle. And what do I see but a new flavor of Dorito that was called hot mustard. No, no ironic because I bailed on the year of the monster. Yeah. So there's, there's something to be said. So I saw that might still be coincidental that Okay. Ooh, how do I turn this down? That is a weird Dorito flavor. That is strange. Oh, easy. So

Jordan (00:02:32.000)

easy. Why would you go wrong? Wrong.

Dan (00:02:35.000)

So I was I was on the cusp. No, I wasn't. I was I decided were you

Jordan (00:02:40.000)

the moment you saw it. You were buying and you were taking it home and you're like, this is probably pretzels.

Dan (00:02:44.000)

And one thing that got me really over the hurdle, easily was that it was buy one get one so I can get a safe flavor. And then it's kind of just free hot mustard. You can't hurt me. Wow, it was bad. So bad. It was really, really accurate. In terms of hot mustard. All right. Yeah, they it was as advertised. Yeah. But also you can't really get rid of the corn flavor of the chip. Right. And so you had this corn plus hot mustard,

Jordan (00:03:16.000)

which is not. It's not pretzel plus hot mustard, which makes sense. Yeah,

Dan (00:03:19.000)

it just it was oops, do not recommend.

Jordan (00:03:24.000)

too thick. I feel like there's two I feel like there's two competing factions in the Doritos flavor factory corn and the hot mustard. Now there's the people who are like, let's make the best tasting chip. And then the people who are like, if you're gonna call it hot mustard, it's gonna taste like fucking hot mustard. All right. I don't care if it tastes good. I don't care if it tastes like anything. It's gonna taste like hot mustard. You said it.

Dan (00:03:47.000)

I hate to say this. Yeah. Doritos. You do better than the

Jordan (00:03:55.000)

ones you got your

Dan (00:03:58.000)

ranch. Cool ridge.

Jordan (00:04:00.000)

You did it. Yeah.

Dan (00:04:01.000)

I don't like the cool ranch ones. But I know that they have their fans. Right. And those have been around for 20 something years longer than I've been alive. Yeah, everything since then has been tracked. I

Jordan (00:04:13.000)

don't know what it is. And I get I think there is you must they must just be bored. I can't just be like strict. Yeah, they can't just be like, Hey, listen, we're gonna make these three flavors. We're gonna be rich forever and then we'll just keep going.

Dan (00:04:25.000)

I know that there's also fans of the like, the spicy Nacho. I'm not as much of a fan of shall watch but you know, that that's kind of, you know, become almost a within the Uber of standard Doritos flavors. Yeah, whenever they start fucking around, it's a mess. And I will get tricked every single time every time. Thank you, Doritos. You see, I

Jordan (00:04:47.000)

can't I can't get out of my head that there's something there's some sort of trick behind it. You know, like, it's a trick to get you to pay attention to Doritos recognize one of their flavors is bad and then go right back to cool ranch or whatever. You know, it's

Dan (00:04:59.000)

the potential of what could be and then you realize how good the nacho cheese are. They're so tricky. Yeah,

Jordan (00:05:05.000)

they're better than they're smarter. Yeah.

Dan (00:05:07.000)

They remind you of what you like about them by giving you shit.

Jordan (00:05:12.000)

Fooled you again.

Dan (00:05:15.000)

So, the irony, yes. brightspot is. So on our Monday episode, we talked a little bit about how we have a responsibility to cover the present day stuff. And, you know, I don't think it's any secret to anybody who listens to the show that I think that the present day is much less interesting than the past. Yeah, I think that Alex is not as there's not as much depth to what he's doing, but not as much. The guests aren't really as interesting, you know. And so

Jordan (00:05:45.000)

it's secret the way the Statute of Liberty is the secret of the Statue of Liberty. Yeah.

Dan (00:05:49.000)

So they're the, you know, there is a hurdle that I have to get over in order to get to a place where I'm like, you know, what the present day requires our attention right. Now. Let's let's do this. Right. And so I was there on Monday. You were there. I was there, and we put up the episode. Sunday. I was like, I can't wait for Wednesday's show. We're gonna do some sneaky snakes. Sure. We're gonna cover Sunday. We're gonna cover Monday, huh? Alex is out of studio on Sunday. Harrison Smith hosting Monday. Owens host all right. He's been able to do this whole week what

Jordan (00:06:22.000)

is what is happening at home

Dan (00:06:24.000)

at God probably back in Cabo.

Jordan (00:06:26.000)

I mean, yeah. Oh, god dammit somebody take his money away. Why is this happening? Why is this happy? I mean, put him in put him in shackles at least like a little bit like fucking goddamn Christmas carol last shackles. You know what I'm saying? I don't want him to be in prison. But I don't want him to be able to enjoy himself Cabo.

Dan (00:06:46.000)

I was I was itching to get to work. Present a business. I was I was ready. Yeah. I was ready to do Wednesday. I was I was excited to have a three episode week. I was I was your auto box. You were all ready for it. Alex was out of studio the whole week. Yeah. And maybe it's a small blessing because I was pretty busy this week. But we you know, we're here on Friday's episode, we're going back to the past because we get whatever we want. So anyway, what's your bright spot?

Jordan (00:07:16.000)

My bright spot is a little bit of anime I've been watching I've been watching some anime. Recently pervy con I've been kind of in with funk, no, not pervy, although, I mean, it was some of its from the 80s. So yes, it's inherently purvey just all ama in the 80s was pervade Sure. in a creepy way. And then now also, it's all perfect. But yeah, so I rewatched Neon Genesis. Even Galliano on the app that's still crazy that still crazy. Or or trauma, just misery.

Dan (00:07:52.000)

Drama misery. Yeah, but sold me on it. Yeah, robots. Hmm. Are they the ones committing the horror and the drama?

Jordan (00:08:00.000)

No, no, no. miserable. Yay. are miserable. Miserable. Yes. Also, that's another big you got to feel you got to deal with that question. Watching the anime and you don't want to. And you when you get to the answer. You don't like it? No, it's not good. Do

Dan (00:08:14.000)

electronic sheep take antidepressants?

Jordan (00:08:18.000)

No, I come from space. And also Jesus is involved. I mean, man, it's wild. I think here's the thing. I think we could definitely do a god awful movies about an episode of Neon Genesis. Evangelion the amount of Jesus imagery in there is absurd at some points.

Dan (00:08:36.000)

Yeah, I'm out. But it's great. Okay, I'm preemptively out though.

Jordan (00:08:42.000)

Yeah. And then like jujitsu Kaizen and then maybe the pervious standard may evolve now is chainsaw man, and that's absurdly pervy.

Dan (00:08:50.000)

And so based on the title, I would that's not how I would assume

Jordan (00:08:54.000)

you wouldn't. Yeah, but then you watch it, and you go, wow, how about that? Sure. sick ass. Jason's gonna do that, huh? All right. But yeah, it's enjoyable. That's my brightspot

Dan (00:09:05.000)

fun. Yeah, so like I said, we're in the past today. Yeah, we're gonna be talking about the 18th to the 23rd of February 2004. Okay, part of the reason is Alex is also out of

Jordan (00:09:18.000)

he just, we just did our fucking bright spots. And then we were just like, Hey, Alex is at a studio in the past to the present. I

Dan (00:09:26.000)

don't know what to do. Now. It is strange, because I am covering over this period, and he's running rerun. But, you know, there is an ability to like, go to the next day, whereas in the present day, you know, the shit hasn't happened now. And I don't have a time machine yet. That's true. So we'll get down to business on this here past episode, which is actually really just the 23rd There's only one clip.

Jordan (00:09:50.000)

All right. But before

Dan (00:09:51.000)

we do, let's say hello to somebody who wants Oh, that's great idea. So first, now, I gotta be honest, I'm not super happy about this one. You're now a policy wonk. Thank you. So much you are now a policy wonk. But it was an attack, but I'm not sure how. Anyway, you're now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:10:07.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:10:08.000)

Thank you very much. I think that was a joke that they were they were joking about.

Dan (00:10:13.000)

Right. Right. Because I have said I'm not happy about some of these names. Oh, no. What? They're dirty. Oh, I

Jordan (00:10:18.000)

thought they weren't happy about the Yeah, nevermind.

Dan (00:10:21.000)

That's how I took it. Okay. As an attack. Yes. You did. As usual. Next whap. That someone cast policy. Thank you so much. You are now policy one. I'm a policy.

Jordan (00:10:31.000)

Thank you very much. Sure.

Dan (00:10:32.000)

That's what I suppose he that's an attack on you. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, next, Karen. It's game time. Thank you so much. You're now policy. Wong. I'm a policy.

Jordan (00:10:41.000)

Thank you very much, Karen. Game time. Thank you from Karen's a free from the stream. Oh, Karen the dragon. Yeah. Oh, fun. Karen, it's game time.

Dan (00:10:50.000)

Next, let's do it. A Daddy shark. Daddy shark you're now policy? Well,

Alex Jones (00:10:56.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:10:57.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:10:59.000)

And next, I'm not mad at the crew. I'm just disappointed that they're all globalists. Thank you so much. You're an owl policy wrong.

Alex Jones (00:11:04.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Jordan (00:11:05.000)

you very much.

Dan (00:11:06.000)

And we got to take the credit the mix Jordan, so thank you so much to knowledge fight has broken my brain so much. My spouse has to remind me not to talk about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in public. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:11:17.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Telling you brilliant someone someone sodomized, sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser. Little little Katie, baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounced Jesus Christ.

Jordan (00:11:37.000)

Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much.

Dan (00:11:39.000)

That is a tough consideration. And I actually had a moment like that this week. I mentioned that I'm probably going to be moving pretty soon. Yeah. So I've started getting some stuff packed up, indeed. And I had a box for books. And it just so happened that the top level of that was The Turner Diaries copy of The Turner Diaries. Like I don't want to risk movers or anybody possibly seeing this. Let's put something else on top of that

Jordan (00:12:05.000)

is the most foreshadowing scene in a horror movie of like, you just walk in and seems like a totally normal guy. And then at the top of his bookshelf is Turner dies. And you're like,

Unknown Speaker (00:12:15.000)

I have it for research until one

Jordan (00:12:17.000)

hour later. Several bodies.

Dan (00:12:21.000)

So, Jordan, we have a it's been a while since we've had an out of context drop. Oh, got one today. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:12:28.000)

And I was about to make fun of the Quakers. I decided not to do it, then you brought it up. I mean, I shouldn't make fun of them. They're very dangerous. Yeah.

Dan (00:12:37.000)

Gotta be careful. Don't make fun of the Quakers

Jordan (00:12:40.000)

of all the inverted reality worlds. That one's just out of left field debate.

Dan (00:12:45.000)

Well, he wasn't gonna do it. And then brought up Quakers. Very dangerous. Their fellowship of friends, right? The Brotherhood of friends or? Yes. I don't know. I don't know all that much about the Quakers to be totally honest with you. That's a little bit of a blind spot I have but I don't think that Alex is correct.

Jordan (00:13:07.000)

I mean, they can one they can only exist on tectonic plates. Interesting. A lot of them in California. Ring of Fire. All Quakers.

Dan (00:13:14.000)

Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Didn't know crazy. I mean, I'm resisting an oak comment. I'm gonna keep doing that good call. So here is our one clip from the 18th not really that much going on on this episode a lot of treading water. But Alex has a couple of presidential election. 2004 presidential election stories. All right, that I thought he would develop over the course of the episode and he really doesn't.

Alex Jones (00:13:43.000)

Abortion claim hits the president. This is out of the mirror out of England. Photographer pornographer Larry Flynt says he has nailed down his claims George Bush, a pro life campaigner arranged for a girlfriend to have an abortion in the 1970s. Flint 61 A failed California Governor candidate said out of top 10 alarming his friends have tracked down the doctor a man named marsh and and the bunch of people who arranged for it. I've got the story nailed that Southpoint talks. He said he would publish his claims in a book at the height of the election season. blintz mudslinging comes amid what promises to be one of the dirtiest battles for the White House ever. Alarmed, aides of President Bush won 130 million pounds for a campaign to derail the runaway success of democratic hopeful John Kerry. Republicans are trying to portray Carrie, Massachusetts senator for 19 years as a hypocrite and a political puppet while you're both puppets, and yes, Mr. Carey did use his Purple Hearts to get out of Vietnam. Yes, Mr. Carey. I'm sorry what the protests with Jane Fonda Yes. Mr. Carey is a whitewash, you're in a bunch of different committees, but it doesn't matter. They're both pieces of work. And if you can forget about the presidency, we better work on getting our country back at the county, the city, the state level, as Hutton Gibson says, We need to have a couple of states secede now to send the message that we're not putting up with this martial law tyranny.

Dan (00:15:19.000)

Yikes. That's quite a message you. Shot.

Jordan (00:15:26.000)

We're gonna leave this country. You better sit up and fly. Right? Like, what's that? We'll come back. You guys behave better? Sure. I don't think so. Yeah, you're gone, man. Yeah, go go away. Good luck. I honestly love it or leave it I guess

Dan (00:15:41.000)

as far as like a status eating. The ramifications are gonna be much worse for

Jordan (00:15:46.000)

you. And you? Yeah, that's on you figure out your fucking trade routes, I guess. Yeah.

Dan (00:15:51.000)

So that's weird. And also, if you look at this, the stories about both candidates don't feel right. Yeah. So Carrie, first, Alex, a couple of days before this had responded to a caller talking about John Kerry and recognize that he was like a war hero and, or at least was somebody who served and went to Vietnam. And now that's starting to twist. And I wonder if this is part of like the beginning of Swift Boat. Yeah, I wonder if the recontextualization of Karis war record is something we're seeing the beginnings of here. And I got excited about that. Because I thought over the course of this episode, I might get more details on what Alex's feelings are, and there's nothing. So that is just a dangling thread, we'll have to pick up later.

Jordan (00:16:38.000)

Yeah, because that's one of the more interesting, I mean, if you like from an from a non morality standpoint, like stepping back, there's no such thing as good or evil. That's one of the most compelling political strategies that's been pulled off. I feel like in my lifetime, is the way that they just perfectly took what should have been a true strength for this political candidate or whatever, and, and hung it around his neck like an anchor. It's very fascinating how that humanity can be, like, swayed into just being like, oh, yeah, that's stupid. Now,

Dan (00:17:15.000)

it is strange, and it is something that I really look forward to seeing through the prism of Alex's coverage. Yeah. And unfortunately, it did not happen just yet. But you do see little indications that some of this stuff is starting to become the mode of conversation in the right wing media. Yeah. Now second, the thing about bush I got even more excited about because I was interested to see how Alex will cover this. There is an obligation that Alex has to not attack him very harshly, because Alex is, for theory, at least 10 abortions at this point, right. And he has a position that being involved in abortion in the past is not indicative of your you know, you can repent of that stuff. Or you can still be a fully pro life person or anti abortion person. He's

Jordan (00:18:04.000)

an exemplary of that. Exactly. So

Dan (00:18:07.000)

for Alex, someone attacking bush on that front. He's not he's not truly anti abortion, because He's participated in abortions. Alex has to be against that you would think and so I was excited to see if he would defend bush on this front. Nope. Well, there's not a yes or no, there is legitimately the only conversation that happens in this episode is is basically him saying that Larry Flynt is making this claim. It's just descriptive, as opposed to any real conversation about that. And that was a bummer.

Jordan (00:18:38.000)

Yeah, that is disappointing. Yeah. I mean, maybe

Dan (00:18:41.000)

it'll come back up, because Flint is saying he's gonna write this book. So maybe he'll continue.

Jordan (00:18:47.000)

I'm just gonna say, did he write that book?

Dan (00:18:50.000)

I don't know. But it's certainly not sketchy. You're planning to release it at the height of the campaign

Jordan (00:18:56.000)

that has the ring of talking shit is the ring of profit motive. And also, I'm not actually going to write this book. It's a lot harder than just making pronouncements like, oh, when it matters, most of the book will be there.

Dan (00:19:10.000)

I think when you're in that kind of space, you can have someone else do it.

Jordan (00:19:14.000)

That's a fair point. I've never considered that. So

Dan (00:19:17.000)

I was a little disappointed. And overall, this episode is just quite disappointing. Yeah. And so Alex is gone until the 23rd comes back into studio and it turns out he had fallen ill

Alex Jones (00:19:28.000)

welcome ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us. It is Monday, the 23rd of February 2004. Two days until the Passion of Christ comes out. I'll be there on Wednesday afternoon watching it and giving you my report on Thursday. I apologize for not being here last Thursday and Friday. I normally do the show when I am sick. I'm rarely sick. I thought I had a cold last week it turned into the flu 104 temperature. Let's just say I was not a happy hamper, so I could not do the show, but I am here. Totally recuperated. In fact, there was some good side effects. I'm off coffee. Just I said I haven't had coffee in three or four days. Why drink coffee now? So I'm off coffee. So I guess the only drugs I use now we're occasional Tylenol. And I lost him pounds while I was sick. So I'm even more handsome now.

Dan (00:20:24.000)

And he never touched substances again.

Jordan (00:20:28.000)

And he gave up all accelerants and the like.

Dan (00:20:32.000)

I had no vices. February 23 2004 demarcation point. Yeah. teetotaller?

Jordan (00:20:41.000)

I would I would enjoy of all the things that our show has done over the years. You know, we've we've accidentally stumbled into a lot of interesting events worldwide. I think it would be fun to discover if time travel was real through this show, when Alex from the future gives Alex from the past his first day to coke. Just walks into like, Hey, buddy, let me try it. Let me show you something. And then change your life.

Dan (00:21:07.000)

He has a vision. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's kind of gross. The I lost 10 pounds because I was sick because you realize it's like vomiting or diarrhea blade that, you know, those kinds of mental images Alex bringing up is not not that great. Although I mean, it is. I don't know. He always says that he never gets sick. But he's sick a bit. Quite a bit. I seem to notice. Like there are times do you sick? He had COVID? Three, four times probably almost dead. Some of these vacations very well. Maybe not really vacations? Who knows?

Jordan (00:21:43.000)

Yeah, it seems like his self image requires an immunity to all deceased. Yeah,

Dan (00:21:49.000)

I think some of that sounds like, like his toughness is built into that. Sure. But then especially once you start selling supplements that are supposed to boost your immunity and all that stuff. If he's taking those things, it would be bad if he was sick.

Jordan (00:22:04.000)

That's a good point. So

Dan (00:22:05.000)

there's all this for the business if you're sick. Yeah. So Alex has a guest on this 23rd episode. And it's a name that I know, but not from Infowars.

Alex Jones (00:22:14.000)

Okay, I've never had more to talk about just an absolutely gigantic, ultra massive Show. Coming up in the next hour, folks, you're not gonna want to miss this. We have a very interesting individual coming on the show Michael Shrimpton, a national security barrister. He's written for the Journal of International Security Affairs, he has briefed the United States Senate Committee on Intelligence and a lot more lengthy bio.

Dan (00:22:49.000)

So at this point in time and 2004 Michael Shrimpton is in fact a licensed Barrister in the UK, who isn't necessarily the most highly placed source Alex could be talking to, but even someone who is at least a British lawyer, yeah, Shrimpton is a conservative, but his party identification has wobbled all over the place over the years, but he's a critic of the EU, so he and Alex can find some common ground on that front. You might notice that I said that he's a barrister at this point in time in 2004, which implies that he's not anymore. Yeah, that's because he's not anymore. Yeah, that was foreshadowing Yeah. And the lead up to the 2012 Olympics to be held in London.

Jordan (00:23:28.000)

Sorry, I'm sorry of all the ways for this guy is no longer a lawyer story to start. Big fan of it starting with the fucking Olympic Summer Games. That's the way you stop being a lawyer.

Dan (00:23:42.000)

So at that point, Shrimpton made a big deal of publicizing a conspiracy he believed he'd uncovered. It was his belief that the Nazis had reactivated their intelligence organization, the DVD and we're planning on detonating a stolen nuke during the Summer Games. This was very much not true. And he ended up getting arrested for perpetrating a bomb hoax, because he spread disinformation to conservative organizations and made incessant calls to MPs and including the then defense secretary Wilde in the course of questioning, it turned out that he believed that this group the DVD had taken over al Qaeda and had quote penetrated mi five and MI six, which explained why he was the person with this intelligence as opposed to the country's normal intelligence community. Right see they were in on the cover obviously. Now in an article in the Bucks Herald about his arrest, they say quote, Shrimpton refused to reveal his sources but said they included quote, someone in Munich who lunches with the Pope. So high level stuff. The court found that he was not in fact an intelligence specialist, though he presented himself as one and conveyed this nonsense bomb threat to the government and the public under the guise of one. Ultimately, he would be sentenced to a 12 month period of incarceration for this misadventure.

Jordan (00:24:58.000)

He got a full year for the She however,

Dan (00:25:01.000)

in the course of the investigation, the police found Child Exploitation material on a memory stick in his home mother Fuck yeah, he was charged for possession possessing this and was put on the sex offender list. He attempted to appeal his conviction but failed. And as a combination of these two things, the Olympic bombing hoax and the child exploitation material, he ended up losing his license and is no longer a barrister. These days, you can find Michael Shrimpton on outlets like Project Camelot, spouting nonsense conspiracy theories, which actually was what he was also doing before. Yeah, the Olympic bombing hoax wasn't his first foray into conspiracy bullshit. It was just his highest stakes one and the one that ended up ruining the veneer of credibility. His job title gave his shit. Yeah, you could probably tell by listening to him the triptan wasn't someone you needed to take seriously. But Alex is a real sucker for someone with an official title. Who says the stuff he wants to hear. Also, Alex is blinded by accents. Yeah, either way, you're probably asking yourself why is Shrimpton here now since 2004 is so much before he cracked open the nuclear bomb, sheer sheer story the Nazis have taken over both MIT well, we don't know. Maybe they had. That's why I suppose that's, this is this is a bit earlier. Yeah. Weird. What's he doing here? Right.

Jordan (00:26:16.000)

So okay, so when did the Nazis take over al Qaeda is my first question and how? That one, that's the one that I have that like that's the key to the whole mystery. Hold on.

Dan (00:26:29.000)

Hold on. I gotta call a guy in Munich who have lunches with the Pope. Gotta find out.

Jordan (00:26:33.000)

What's that meeting like? Oh, the Nazis show up with al Qaeda. And they have fucking lunch. What are we talking about? Yeah. I mean, weird. Yeah. Well, the Pope would have to negotiate that for sure.

Dan (00:26:45.000)

So there's a very familiar bit of conspiracy that Shrimpton is on to talk to Alex about.

Alex Jones (00:26:51.000)

He's traveled all over the western world and given speeches and consulted on terrorism. Guess why he's joining us on the show. 911 truther. ism. Well, last week, you may have seen a story floating around that somebody inside the British government had sources that said that they could confirm that Dr. David Kelly had been killed, though we've already got all these top doctors and scientists coming forward and saying that we've got all the evidence and even mainstream headlines saying is this what happened? Well, he's got sources inside mi five mi six, and from the information he has, they know how he knows how they killed him. How they killed Dr. David Kelly, and why they killed Dr. David Kelly.

Dan (00:27:34.000)

I wonder if this was well, am I five and MI six? were infiltrated by the Nazi? Yeah, maybe? Or maybe because this didn't work out for Sharpton? Maybe that was how he learned that they were infiltrated. That could be I don't know, Michael Trump doesn't know shit about any inside information about David Kelly. He knows as much about this as he does about the nukes at the 2012 Olympics, which is to say the stuff he knows is horseshit that he is probably making up or someone else's workshopping with him. Yeah. Part of what makes me confident about this is that in 2006, he was interviewed by the BBC for a documentary series called The conspiracy files. He comes off looking real dumb in that show, and not because his theories about Kelly, there were a number of people pitching ideas about how Kelly might have been murdered, and they came off a lot better. The reason he seemed so dumb was because he acts like a buffoon. Here's a little clip of him from that show. All right.

Caroline Catz (00:28:26.000)

Michael Shrimpton says he knows that Dr. Kelly was assassinated, because of his extensive intelligence contacts.

Michael Shrimpton (00:28:34.000)

That is the red phone. And if that phone goes, it could be anybody from the White House to the President's administration in Russia, to the CIA to whoever it's not usual for me to pick up the phone and have Henry Kissinger there and but that has happened. He actually has that number, but it doesn't have that number. That's gives me a direct line through to Vice President Cheney's office. Okay, buddy.

Jordan (00:29:02.000)

This guy, this guy was made for tricking dumb Americans. This is That's the voice you need a

Dan (00:29:11.000)

lot of confidence. Yeah, boy. Yeah,

Jordan (00:29:17.000)

you aristocratic fuck.

Dan (00:29:19.000)

It's not usual that Kissinger just rings me up out of nowhere. So also, I will say that this clip from the show did no favors. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Caroline Catz (00:29:34.000)

Michael Shrimpton is also a fan of espionage fiction from Frederick Forsyth to Tom Clancy.

Michael Shrimpton (00:29:40.000)

Yes, he's one of my favorite authors yet.

Caroline Catz (00:29:44.000)

One of Tom Clancy's books, the teeth of the Tiger concerns and off the books team of US government assassins, who avoid detection by killing their victims with succinylcholine.

Michael Shrimpton (00:29:56.000)

They there is a reference to succinylcholine in this book, and I Think that follows the assassination of David Kelly. Tom Clancy has very good contacts with the, in the national security community. It may be that Tom Clancy picked up a reflection if you like, or look back now the Kelly assassination. Question is, oh, I got some chocolate from Tom Clancy novel and sorry, that that might wash.

Dan (00:30:32.000)

I'm not convinced.

Jordan (00:30:33.000)

Yeah. I mean, it's funny. I mean, this is obviously it's gonna make it sound like this idea I got from the Tom Clancy novel.

Dan (00:30:41.000)

Conspiracy is is weirdly similar to the plumbing. Now, my baby but now

Jordan (00:30:46.000)

what you won't know is that I have read the book of course, and I have dog eared many pages. And but here's the thing, Tom Clancy, ah, he sees the future.

Dan (00:30:57.000)

Also, that was one of his lesser novels. Yeah.

Jordan (00:31:00.000)

I was waiting. I was God, I would have given anything for that British voiceover to be like, Tom Clancy and Steve polygenic both co authored

Dan (00:31:09.000)

amazing about this, though. Like, this guy has gotten a lot of big breaks and it's panicky in its nature, it is very connected to Tom Clancy in as much as he's is conspiracies appear to be inspired, perhaps by the works of panics. Boy, one time collaborator,

Jordan (00:31:29.000)

these two could get together and really fuck some shit up. Steve and

Alex Jones (00:31:36.000)

shrimp man. Yeah, man,

Dan (00:31:37.000)

they could end up on a weird panel on Project Camelot any day now.

Jordan (00:31:42.000)

That could be a day and a half.

Dan (00:31:44.000)

So if I got shanked like that by a TV show, I would probably sue them. And that's basically what Michael Shrimpton tried to do. After the show aired, he filed a formal complaint with off COMM The UK is communication regulatory body. He thought the program had done him dirty and portrayed him in a negative light. The BBC said that they had not and in fact, the footage that was included was representative of what Shrimpton said in their interview. And even that he he even claimed that he had been misled about the nature of the program that he had agreed to participate in. Off calm reviewed evidence, including correspondence between Shrimpton and the BBC as well as full transcripts of his interviews, and ultimately rejected his complaint phone

Jordan (00:32:23.000)

call he had with his mom, I got invited to do this show on BBC I got invited to do that. I can't wait to do this is my most exciting

Dan (00:32:29.000)

thing. This is a job although this

Jordan (00:32:34.000)

guy believe you

Dan (00:32:37.000)

gratulations so trooped, it's just mad that he acted like an idiot it was captured in a documentary program and I would guess that he just didn't like the image that he saw on the mirror. Yeah, the BBC is fault Yeah. acted like a real dick.

Jordan (00:32:54.000)

Yeah, you really shouldn't go on camera and be recorded through somebody else's eyes if you've never looked at yourself through somebody else's eyes. It's a dangerous proposition

Dan (00:33:03.000)

drew so he's gonna be on later to talk some shit about David Kelly's death and it's actually not that interesting of an interview there's only a couple clips that I decided to pull like there were kind of like laying out a little bit of his conspiracy but for the most part it's just kind of standard Alex talking shit

Jordan (00:33:20.000)

you know for a guy see that's the thing though with the big swing you can't take a you know you got to take big swings but maybe nuclear bomb at the Olympics

Dan (00:33:29.000)

too big while that was too big. Those a number of years after this I was that's what I'm saying.

Jordan (00:33:34.000)

He made word he may have learned the wrong lessons from not taking a big enough swing here.

Dan (00:33:38.000)

Well, he got bored with these sort of low level games sure got burned by the BBC. And then a couple years later he decided to go for it yeah yep. Good good. Blew up pretty bad. Yeah. In his face Oh

Jordan (00:33:51.000)

Kieft too close to the Sun true.

Dan (00:33:53.000)

So David Kelly has a lot of titles is a weapons inspector you know what have you but apparently now he has a new job title that Alex has given him interesting

Alex Jones (00:34:04.000)

and intelligence agency of a country will use its its sister intelligence agency that it works with and another nation to do hits for them. And that happens vice versa. That happened at Waco according to the Fort Worth Star, a newspaper now where they used mi five controlled Special Air Services people out there doing some of the wet work. So this is done over and over again where they use foreign troops, foreign individuals to kill their own people internally because it's very dangerous to use your own intelligence people to kill fellow intelligence people like Dr. David Kelly, who was a top spy and force head of Porton down bioweapons lab and the head British inspector he's a top

Dan (00:34:49.000)

spy now

Jordan (00:34:50.000)

he was a top spy.

Dan (00:34:51.000)

Yeah, where for what for the UK I guess to whom am I six to spy for what spying on? I mean, is weapons and spy Acting spying I mean,

Jordan (00:35:01.000)

I suppose that that is that's the most open and obvious form of spying there is. Excuse me if that please spy on you that counts

Dan (00:35:09.000)

as a spy I guess but i don't know i don't i don't know any evidence that he was a like the spy

Jordan (00:35:15.000)

I yeah you I feel like you have to be incognito to be a spy of some sort. Yeah,

Dan (00:35:21.000)

there's a clandestine element to it and I did not. I don't know, I don't know where this is coming you

Jordan (00:35:27.000)

can't knock on the front door if you're a spy, you know, you can't knock on the front door and be like, Hey, I'm from the UK here to inspect your weapons as the world knows. I

Dan (00:35:36.000)

mean, I think what Alex is trying to evoke is that David Kelly, operated in some fairly official and touchy area. Sure, sure. And that I can go along with right but saying he's a top spy is a little bit ridiculous.

Jordan (00:35:55.000)

I mean, well, who else would they trust to inspect nuclear weapons? They're not gonna send like a regular guy. They're gonna send the top spy. Oh, yeah, man.

Dan (00:36:04.000)

So one of the things that really was weird for me was, I didn't realize that Alex was sick. Immediately when I'm listening to these episodes, sometimes I'll listen to a couple minutes before I realize it's a repeat. Right. And so the fry or Thursday's episode I turned on, and Alex is like, Wow, we got Hutton Gibson coming in and like, again, God damn it, and I wouldn't I wouldn't be too surprised. No, right back again. And so it seems like it could have been like, Oh, this is a map. Okay. But it turns out that Alex has been getting a lot of heat about the HUD and Gibson issue. Interesting. Maybe not a ton of heat, but enough heat

Jordan (00:36:40.000)

enough to make people secede from the Union? No.

Dan (00:36:43.000)

Oh, but because of his book. Well, but Holocaust denial. Sure, there's some issues with that. Sure. And so Alex will not talk about it. But maybe he will, but he's not going to talk about rageous.

Alex Jones (00:36:56.000)

And I'm not gonna get into hunting Gibson, I've talked to Hutton Gibson, many times, he is not anti semitic. He says he doesn't like Nazis. He doesn't like Zionist. He doesn't like the corrupt Catholic Church. I mean, there's not a lot of things. He thinks they're all Jews, the winner of Jeopardy and knows history. And he's pretty smart guy. And he does think the Holocaust happened. He just debates the numbers and says that people should be allowed to debate those numbers. And he says these interviews have been taken out of context. And so we'll see what happens. I had MSNBC call me, I had CNN call, I had a bunch of other people call, and I'm not doing interviews. I'm not gonna go on national TV and talk about HUD and Gibson. Alexander Emmerich Jones doesn't do that to his friends. I can care less about being on MSNBC or CNN or something like that. I'm just not gonna do it. I mean, I thought about going on and you know, defending Hutton and yet I'm just not gonna get involved in it. I'm just talking smart. Who knows I might have a change your heart and do it. i

Jordan (00:37:59.000)

Oh, for God's sakes, God gamma. God, do

Dan (00:38:03.000)

ya strong defense, by the way that he thinks the Holocaust happens. He just debates.

Jordan (00:38:09.000)

It's okay to debate the number. He just thinks it was like maybe 6000 5,000,010. Whatever. We're just debating numbers. Yeah,

Dan (00:38:18.000)

you got to ask yourself sometimes. Why? You know, what are you? What motivates you to do that?

Jordan (00:38:24.000)

Let me tell you something. Yeah, one is too many. Uh huh. Now, he doesn't care about me. So I don't know why he's debating the numbers. Yeah,

Dan (00:38:32.000)

yeah, strong defense Alex could provide where he to go on these shows. Now I like the I like the position that he has of like, I'm not gonna go on and allow myself to be used to trash a friend. You know, just from the standpoint of like, how friends treat each other. Yeah, you know, that's, that's solid. You know, looking out for your people kind of thing, I suppose. Flash forward just a little bit to Charlie Sheen, and Alex going on the view, trying to make that media circus all about himself. He's totally fine behaving like that. And that leads me to believe that these outlets aren't calling him and asking him to come on and talk about it. He do it in a second.

Jordan (00:39:08.000)

Maybe. On the other hand, I'll throw this out at you going on TV and talking about your friend having a manic episode and yelling about tiger blood and stuff is a little bit different from going on TV and being like, no, here's why it's okay to deny the Holocaust. Maybe you don't want that one on TV?

Dan (00:39:25.000)

Maybe but here Yeah, you know, I don't think that's maybe the distinction, but I think you're right and that there's something different. There's like a flashiness and a media circus around Charlie Sheen, whereas this has religion attached to it as the Passion of the Christ attached. There's a lot of like, weird potholes Alex could step into totally that maybe the Charlie Sheen situation didn't have nearly as many Yeah, I mean, late was less risk for Alex to turn on his friend

Jordan (00:39:53.000)

that denying the Holocaust undeniably bad. denying that a guy denied the Holocaust. I'd be not equally bad but still up there kind of suggests that if if the set if the latter maybe the former also.

Dan (00:40:07.000)

Yeah, it's it. Yeah, it is dicier territory for Alex. So a lot of people love to talk about Alex's predictions and how great he is at predicting things. And here's one for them.

Alex Jones (00:40:18.000)

House votes for ignition interlocks on every vehicle. That sounds interesting. Do you know what that's fancy doublespeak for? Well, when I told you they were going to do, and again, I hate to say it, because I told you because I told you because I told you but I have the official plans, wrote New Mexico has passed the law out of the house in the Senate to make everyone blow a breathalyzer to start your car. Everyone guilty until proven innocent. Why have it just saves one life. And then they're gonna say that this doesn't work? Because people have others blow so Oh, we're gonna have to retina scan you. And it'll decide if you're drunk. And this will be the retina scan. Now how do I know that because I saw the federal plans four or five years ago, I read Houston Chronicle article three years ago. They have a system that they're already putting into businesses all over the country and the feds are using a retinal scanner that also reads microscopic movement of the eye. And it'll decide if you're on drugs or drunk or tired. And they want to put all these in the cars and so they're gonna make you use the breathalyzer, then people are gonna cheat and are gonna say, Okay, you got a retina scan to start your car. Now, that's the official plan. You want to put up with it? Go ahead. And then if you're not a good globalist, they turn your car off. And they're going to have infrared cameras on all the cars by 2005. Boat as a as a detector if there's a child in the car when it's too hot. But again, the federal plan is it's really a camera.

Dan (00:41:45.000)

Hashtag Alex Jones was right. Yeah. Yikes. That is little off on some of

Jordan (00:41:50.000)

that. That is a lot of work to expect a lot of car manufacturers to take on in a very short period of time.

Dan (00:41:57.000)

He's also doing a flagrant misrepresentation of like, they don't want people to have to blow to like start their car. It's like when you have a second DUI. Yeah, like that. It's that's part of that. Yeah, it's not. It's everyone. It's not everyone. No, because you're not guilty until you're proven innocent. It's a mitigation measure for people who will not not drive drunk.

Jordan (00:42:23.000)

You're you're talking about somebody who has at the very least two DUIs. So Alex, I am sure believes that everyone is going to be affected by this law. Everyone named me Yeah, exactly. Oh, god dammit, they're gonna have to put a thing in my car.

Dan (00:42:38.000)

I mean, if it were that what Alex is describing, I would be against it. Everyone has to blow to start their car. I mean, I think that that's, you're making a face where you're thinking like, maybe that's okay.

Jordan (00:42:50.000)

I'm thinking maybe Alex wouldn't be able to go to work? Maybe not. But at the very least, he wouldn't be able to drive home considering what we've seen on the cameras.

Dan (00:42:59.000)

We'll see. Here's, here's where I'm coming from. Yeah, I think that that is inappropriate for everyone. Like, just all cars you have to do because as we learn from Seinfeld with the poppy seed, sure, you know, yeah, there's all kinds of things could be what if you have a screwy machine, and it won't start, you're not drunk, but it thinks you are something, then you need to get somewhere you get fired? Totally. Or if there's a medical emergency, you need to get some. It's just not it's not appropriate. But for people who drive drunk, perhaps, yeah, it is appropriate. Yeah. Because you're gonna end up killing somebody. Yeah,

Jordan (00:43:35.000)

I mean, it is it is that kind of intervention kind of stuff, where it's like, oh, well, you clearly can't stop yourself. So somebody has to stop it before it can happen. Yeah, that kind of thing. And I imagine for somebody who

Dan (00:43:49.000)

tells you that your license is taken away that you're still going to drive? Yeah, of course. So mechanically, we must say,

Jordan (00:43:56.000)

we have to do we have to do this wherein talking does not work. It's not

Dan (00:44:00.000)

like, yeah, we can't leave something to a choice because the choice will be bad. Yeah, you no longer have choices. You have a medical condition more or less that is overriding your decision making totally.

Jordan (00:44:10.000)

Yeah. And I imagine that for somebody who is filled with unstoppable compulsive needs. Alex would take this very personally. Here's

Dan (00:44:20.000)

something that you're not considering. Well, he was sick recently. And he's off coffee. That's

Jordan (00:44:24.000)

a fair point. That's a fair point. Yeah, that's a fair point. Well, no, he can't even pick himself up after he's been driving drunk for a while.

Dan (00:44:30.000)

No, good. Yeah. So Shrimpton comes in and here is a bit of his theory about who killed David Kelly. Essentially, well, I'll let him describe Okay,

Michael Shrimpton (00:44:43.000)

no, the again, I've got to be obviously careful on air but the indications are that the the tasking for the assassination came from within the UK, but I can't name any individual official or minister. The tasking was generated in the UK went to Paris was then okayed in Paris. And the information available to me the operational agency for disaster nation was DGSE. Now, there are also indications and I'm again, obviously Alex, you appreciate I'm expressing myself with caution. There are indications that DGSE in order to false flag the assassination should their team they discovered us Iraqi intelligence assets from the Iraqi Mukhabarat agency that were available in Damascus after the fall of Baghdad. And I have one source, suggesting that an Iraqi team, that's the de annex Mukhabarat team recruited in Damascus, with the assistance of the Syrian intelligence operation, also the Mukhabarat were flown into Corsica in the seven days prior to the assassination of David Kelly.

Dan (00:45:53.000)

So he doesn't his complicated conspiracy theory that the UK Government put out the hit, they okayed it through some organization that he doesn't know and can't name. Yeah. So they okayed it. And in order to give like, you don't want to have your spies killing your own spies, they work together. Yeah. French people take care of it. So they reach out to France, France is like we're on it. But to be careful, we're going to subcontract this out to a group of Iraqis. Right. And so the Iraqis were the ones who did it. And now, the French, I don't know if you know, this, I learned this from a very reputable source named Michael Shrimpton, ah, the French never, you should you should never take on a contract from the French intelligence, because they will just kill you once it's over. So these Iraqis are dead. They are, yeah, the French the French know how to do it. Right. And which raises the question, Why does anyone take a contract on the French intelligence? And his answer is, they must not know the very clear reputation that the French intelligence agencies have to the point where you know about Yeah, I think that maybe that Iraqi Intelligence Group might have been aware of that, that they're just going to die after they carry out this mission. But it's all fine, because none of this is real.

Jordan (00:47:07.000)

I'm gonna throw this out at you. Yes. While I respect the idea that like, Oh, you don't want your own agency, people killing each other, right? Sure. Because they work together. Personal Connection, I

Dan (00:47:17.000)

get it, right. That's why you bring in corporate to fire someone as opposed to doing it yourself, you know, or something like that. But

Jordan (00:47:24.000)

then then it's like, you're in intelligence. And now you know, that your boss just involved to other countries to kill your body. I feel like that makes me hate my boss more than if my boss is like, Hey, buddy, we gotta kill your body.

Dan (00:47:39.000)

Is it hate? Or is it fear tinged with respect?

Jordan (00:47:50.000)

I can't answer that question.

Dan (00:47:52.000)

He's writing a compelling. Clancy novel here.

Jordan (00:47:55.000)

Sure, sure. Oh, let's, here's what I'm going to do. If I'm going to assassinate somebody, I'm gonna try and get as many people involved as I can. Yeah. Especially ones who I know are in the intelligence service who all talk to each other, right? And have information that often finds its way down to this shrimp man over

Dan (00:48:12.000)

here. Now we have a situation too now, where you have a lot of dangling threads, because you have the UK. You have the French people. Yeah, the French people have now killed the Iraqi people. So they are the only ones who have cut off one thread. Right, right. But the French are still a thread. Anybody who knew these Iraqis is now salutely. It's, I don't know, I find this hard to believe

Jordan (00:48:33.000)

now. Okay, now, okay. But now we're talking about the who kills the French. You know, what I'm saying? Like the French killed the Iraqis, right. But who kills the French for knowing? Well,

Dan (00:48:44.000)

if the French need to get rid of someone, I would assume that they would call the UK right. And then the UK would get someone from Brussels? I don't know. Some other country. False flag.

Jordan (00:48:56.000)

I mean, you know, this is the problem with middlemen. You know, I mean, the even our even our intelligence services aren't like they used to be they don't even kill each other anymore. Right. It's just terrible. It's Union on

Dan (00:49:07.000)

my day. In my day.

Jordan (00:49:12.000)

It's so impersonal.

Dan (00:49:15.000)

Anyway, Shrimpton. Yeah. He doesn't like lone gunman theory. You know, it's never that it's always got to be more complicated, because a lone gunman story wouldn't make for a good Clancy novel. That's true. We've had

Michael Shrimpton (00:49:27.000)

a lone gunman classic example of a lone gunman assassination theory in Europe, with the assassination of the Dutch politician pin 14, which is blamed on a lone gunman an explanation which doesn't carry much weight with me since the photographs of the assassins that I saw there was what appeared to me to be a very thin wire leading up to an earpiece in his right ear and normally Alex loan government debt run around with radios and pieces, particularly high tech months with that close

Alex Jones (00:50:00.000)

Yeah, exactly Netanyahu is giving speeches about somebody ought to get rid of this guy and his his his and then remain security steps back and they blow him away. I mean, well,

Michael Shrimpton (00:50:11.000)

there are certainly those certainly respected commentators, gold Thomas as one who would say that the repeat assassination was the government.

Dan (00:50:20.000)

I can totally settle this for them. Yeah, Steve botanic has confessed to killing Yitzhak Rabin on Alex's show. That is

Jordan (00:50:26.000)

true. That is true. So this case What a dumb fucking world we live. It was

Dan (00:50:34.000)

a lone gunman who was named Steve. Also arrest of the Pope and single handedly took down the Soviet Union. So this this mystery is solved. Yeah. Okay, so the guy who killed him fortune is that was they said he was a lone gunman and by a I mean, him. The person confessed.

Jordan (00:50:53.000)

Yeah, I'm always weirded out by the assassinations whenever they're brought into real life because I feel like in my experience, it is either a lone gunman and everybody knows about it, because you know, they they killed the person. Move on.

Dan (00:51:08.000)

Yeah, these wild like kind of Fluke situation. Yeah, the people are able to pull off something that generally you would just think it was impossible and it turns out it's not

Jordan (00:51:16.000)

or it's like a flagrant state assassination that basically they want everyone to know. You know, like the Nova chalk situation is like a messages. Yeah, it's like I am telling the entire world I can just poisoned this motherfucker whenever I want. And then he's gonna die in my prison. You know, that kind of assassination?

Dan (00:51:35.000)

Yeah, that that does seem to cover most of it.

Jordan (00:51:39.000)

Yeah, I don't feel like I feel like clandestine, like true. Like, oh, we made it look like a suicide shit almost. Never happened.

Dan (00:51:47.000)

Well, I mean, I think all you're arguing is that they're that good at it.

Jordan (00:51:51.000)

See, that's the problem with this argument about clandestine shit. Right? Yeah. Anything could be if it's good enough,

Dan (00:51:59.000)

kinda hit a dead end, where absence of evidence is evidence of how good the conspiracy is. Yeah, you just can't live in that world. Right?

Jordan (00:52:07.000)

You just can't. Alright, fine. Boo.

Dan (00:52:10.000)

So anyway, how would you like some third, third level? Third hand Intel. From trip, man, I love it.

Alex Jones (00:52:17.000)

Continuing with what we were discussing, and just briefly recapping, you have a source who have an intelligence talk to his other sources, and it was widely known in intelligence that, that there was an order to get rid of Kelly, even before he died.

Michael Shrimpton (00:52:35.000)

My source learned after the assassination that others in Whitehall, were aware of the assassination in advance. Yes. And that source had spoken to obviously he was a friend of David Kelly's knew him well had worked with him. And that clearly once his friend was found dead in a wood made investigations, and when he made investigations, he discovered that this assassination was known about in advance.

Dan (00:53:04.000)

This is meaningless as Intel. Yeah, so we have this guy Michael Shrimpton, who I have good reason not to trust as a source. He's the only actual known figure in any of this and is the only person whose credibility is possible to assess behind him. He has an alleged source who's anonymous, but who knew David Kelly, this person may or may not exist, their credentials may or may not be accurately conveyed, and whatever they did or didn't tell Frampton may be relayed correctly or may not. Behind this anonymous source. There's an unspecified number of unnamed people at Whitehall, who told the anonymous source that they knew that there was a plan to take out Kelly prior to his death. These people may or may not exist, and the message that may or may not have been relayed to this anonymous source may or may not be accurate. Even before this information gets to Shrimpton. It's secondhand now, Shrimpton is relaying third hand information to Alex. And there's just no way to look at this as a reliable. The allegation that there was foreknowledge of a plan to kilkelly is being made by some number of secret intelligence people in Whitehall, but Trumpton hasn't even talked to them. When the rubber meets the road. He doesn't even really know if these people exist. All he can possibly know is that this anonymous source told him they exist and said what they said, it's all sensational and attention grabbing but it's just not something that rises to the level of being worth taking seriously. We know now that Trumpton is someone not worth giving the benefit of the doubt. But even in 2004, he's at best an unknown quantity. Accepting this narrative from him based on his untested credibility would require a staggering amount of faith, or in Alex's case, it's what he wants to hear. So he just accepts it no matter what. It's just Yes. Hooray. Thank you, you. You're technically a barrister, and you're saying what I want to hear. Now top lawyers are coming out and saying that, you know, it's just it's convenience.

Jordan (00:54:56.000)

Yeah. Yeah, you know, this guy would read really make sense wearing one of those powdered wigs in a court? That would I was

Dan (00:55:05.000)

like it was not in the BBC special I will say that, I will tell you that. He also got pissed that they called him a barrister of course, but then he proceeded to basically act like it then talk about his like connections and stuff. So when he complained about it, that was another thing that off comm said you don't have any right to complain. You kind of show off. Yeah. So we have one last clip of Shrimpton where he takes off and it's just Alex and trim to discussing who's the worst Prime Minister in UK history? That's

Jordan (00:55:35.000)

a good question, probably

Dan (00:55:36.000)

Tony Blair.

Alex Jones (00:55:38.000)

Have you ever had a prime minister this bad?

Michael Shrimpton (00:55:41.000)

Well, that's a that's a political question. The answer is probably but I can't remember when it's a close toss up between Tony Blair, John Major and Lord North who lost the American colonies, but from your point of view, probably quite good to have in Downing Street. Neville Chamberlain, I think I think that without being disrespectful to my Prime Minister on the air, I think it's a close call between Tony Blair and Neville Chamberlain. You know, you'd have to, you could have 10 different politicians and economists and military strategists sit around a table and come up with 10 different answers as to whether Neville Chamberlain has surrendered more of Europe than Tony Blair, and whether Tony Blair's surrendered more to France and Germany and Neville Chamberlain did. It's a close run thing. Well, I

Alex Jones (00:56:31.000)

think it's clearly Tony, or he gets what he wants. Yeah,

Michael Shrimpton (00:56:35.000)

I had the debit. I have to say having met Tony Blair, he's not he's quite a pleasant, personable individual. He's not he's not a monster when you meet him. Well, they

Alex Jones (00:56:45.000)

shut down about Adolf Hitler to real nice,

Jordan (00:56:49.000)

I feel. I really feel like even the personal reports from people his best friends were were like, That dude is unhinged.

Dan (00:56:57.000)

You know what they say about Hitler? Charming. Smooth talker person, like, you know, you want to hate him. But then you talk to him and you leave like, Hey, that guy is pretty. I hate what he stands for. But man, you know,

Jordan (00:57:12.000)

you could get a bunch of economists and prime ministers and military men around the table. And they will argue for days about whether or not Neville Chamberlain or Hitler was more charming. That's the main question that they figured out.

Dan (00:57:23.000)

Yeah, you know, Hitler, what he would do is you'd always start with a compliment, and that really was disarming to people.

Jordan (00:57:33.000)

Fuck, oh, my God.

Dan (00:57:34.000)

So yeah, who's to say whether Tony Blair or Neville Chamberlain is Will history reveal to be a worst Prime Minister? I do. I think of Hitler. I mean, not to not to minimize the like, you know, involvement in justifying the war in Iraq. That's bad. Sure. That's bad. Totally. I don't know if it rises to Chamberlain levels.

Jordan (00:57:55.000)

I mean, I love a good hyperbole. You know, me? Yeah, I do. Do I do but this might be a little bit much might be a little bit much.

Dan (00:58:03.000)

It seems like, if I understand where the conversation comes in, you know, I do get Sure. Sure. Sure. But I think saying it's a toss up is maybe that's that's hard for me.

Jordan (00:58:15.000)

Interesting. Toss up. Yeah.

Dan (00:58:17.000)

Yeah. So shrimp leaves. Yeah, it was to get a cocktail shrimp and get a cocktail. All right. But so Alex takes a number of calls. And one call is someone from Indiana? Who has an interesting question for Alex.

Alex Jones (00:58:33.000)

Let's talk to Pat in Indiana, who's really been holding patiently, Pat, good to hear from you. Oh, that's

Caller 1 (810) (00:58:37.000)

all right. I just had two things to say that I went to a meeting with my hands. And I went to Erland college for meetings about the what's going on the global situation. And I asked Mike again, about the Patriot Act, one and two and the 50s. One and two. And I asked him to elaborate on

Alex Jones (00:58:58.000)

802. And this is your Congressman. Yeah.

Caller 1 (810) (00:59:02.000)

And he said he helped write the whole paper there. And he couldn't elaborate on 802. And he said there was no Patriot Act number two.

Dan (00:59:13.000)

I'm not sure how much direct involvement Mike Pence had in drafting the Patriot Act, but he was in the House Judiciary Committee at the time of its drafting, which is where that would have would have been Yeah, he would have been there further. Pence did say in a committee meeting about reauthorizing the Patriot Act that he'd helped draft the original. It does seem plausible that he had some hand in it. And at very least, he's been a huge proponent of extending the act and keeping it in place over the years. This is just another really funny thing to think about. In hindsight about Alex's support for Trump. He was potentially rallying all of his supporters to help elect a vice president who helped create the Patriot Act, one of the biggest pieces of evil legislation that Alex built his career out of opposing now. That's

Jordan (00:59:56.000)

irony. It is. That is definitely irony.

Dan (00:59:58.000)

And I don't think that Ever something I've heard Alex wrestle with or grapple with the idea of like, you know, because I could see a sincere actor saying, like, I think that Trump is such an important political figure sure that I will accept the fact that he chose as a vice president, someone who takes credit for creating the Patriot Act, right. I could see really struggling to make that decision and showing your work and being like, I think that the benefits outweigh you know, he's, yeah, Hans is gonna have some ideas, but he's gonna be sidelined by Trump. So Trump wouldn't let him do some Patriot Act as shit sure on his watch something but I don't really know that I've I've heard that. Do you

Jordan (01:00:40.000)

know, here's what I'm feeling right here is like the reverse of a mighty duck scenario. Right? So we've got our opening character. They are, you know, salt of the Earth Kind of like hanging out with the bad news bears kind of style person right. Then they get pulled away by this glossy you look at this, you tangled electoral politics,

Dan (01:01:05.000)

the electoral politics out of the fire, right? Yeah.

Jordan (01:01:10.000)

And then in the Disney movie, though, because of the way the resolution is set up. When they start chanting, hang Mike Pence. That's his Mighty Ducks moment where he's returning back to the fold of being like, Yeah, but he was not hang that. No, I know. But he didn't do. Like he screwed up the Disney movie lost to the Russian. He's the worst Air Bud. He's the worst Air Bud.

Dan (01:01:33.000)

I don't know. I've seen a number of those. They're not great. There's that one where the dog? wrestles? That's true. WrestleMania I think was the name of it. Really? Yeah. You know, you could get

Jordan (01:01:43.000)

you could get a lot of economists and military by the router table and they'll tell you, you'd never know which is the worst airfare?

Dan (01:01:50.000)

Did they make one where he plays baseball because that would be totally did. I could see a dog in the outfield, but batting.

Jordan (01:01:56.000)

Now that'd be tough. Yeah, it'd be tough. I mean,

Dan (01:01:59.000)

dogs are made to play catch. You know? Well, I

Jordan (01:02:03.000)

mean, basketball seems ridiculous, but you can

Dan (01:02:06.000)

hang out pinch hitter though. You get somebody he could run the banks run. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah.

Jordan (01:02:10.000)

I mean, I don't that now listen, they're not explicit rules saying that dogs can't play baseball. I know this. I've been through the rulebook. Right? What if you had a teen? I wouldn't read it. Okay. All right. Eight dogs

Dan (01:02:24.000)

show Hey, Otani. Do you think they

Jordan (01:02:27.000)

really stand the chance? Not dependent. No, but I think they could go for it. I think they could win for two games. I think they're gonna win for two games. That's a bad record. 40 and Johnny's dogs. Eight dogs are bad.

Dan (01:02:42.000)

I don't know what other sports bowling dogs can't bowl.

Jordan (01:02:45.000)

Dogs can but I feel like soccer is right at the dog wheelhouse. trickshot pool? In what? In what fashion? Would they perform a mass a shot?

Dan (01:02:56.000)

That's what I'm saying? It's difficult for dogs to play pool would be I saw a painting of the playing poker. So I know they could do that. Sure.

Jordan (01:03:03.000)

Sure. I mean, that's like horses can count. You know, you just have to signal them to play the right card. Yeah, you get

Dan (01:03:11.000)

octopus to coach the team. They're really smart about sports from what I hear.

Jordan (01:03:17.000)

Sure. And they can fit into real small places. That's a double threat.

Dan (01:03:21.000)

So anyway, the point is that Alex, you're looking at you elected a vice president who created the patriot like, in another great instance of him in his present and like recent present self, totally invalidating the basic tenants of his career. It is

Jordan (01:03:40.000)

it is astonishing. The amount of like, it is almost brick by brick, the the thing that he built, he tore down brick by brick for money. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Dan (01:03:53.000)

For money. And actually, I think probably almost as much of a motivation is acceptance. Yeah. And like being being seen as somebody who's credible and like, who they want to have around to somebody who's like, fuck this guy. Yeah. He wants worship. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And to feel like he's belong, he belongs and is accepted. And that's sort of what your human desires, but, you know, fuck him. Yeah. So we have one last clip. And it's an instance of this, this thing that happens in the past that I enjoy, and that is that sometimes callers don't really respect Alex that much, or they they they can kind of steamroll him a little right. And so this caller does that in a way that I enjoy.

Caller 2 (810) (01:04:38.000)

Yesterday, on May 8, the press Ralph Nader announced he's running for president without a party. The Green Party refused to let him be his candidate or anyone else. And now you're demanded the immediate impeachment of Bush. He said Congressman Conyers is sponsoring a bill to impeach Bush before the election. I have a clip of nighters demand for impeachment. It's exactly two minutes long and adequate Get up if you want me to play it on the radio. Two minutes long. Two minutes long. It's the clip of him discussing impeachment with

Alex Jones (01:05:07.000)

Roger Williams. Okay, I might play John but but really, when we can get the clips ourselves

Caller 2 (810) (01:05:12.000)

on the transcript if you go to meet the press from the start rolling and if you want to play this or you can cut it off when you get tired

Jordan (01:05:19.000)

of a minute. Yeah, well, just Democrat Republican Party,

Dan (01:05:25.000)

you very strongly get the sense that Alex does not want to do absolutely not what, like I play the pocket clip. That's

Jordan (01:05:33.000)

unreal. Yeah. That's that that actually would be that would be the one moment where I'd be like, I'm not playing a two minute clip, dude. Dude. Dude, it's long. 15 To 30 seconds. Totally in the wheelhouse. Two minutes is too fucking long.

Dan (01:05:47.000)

I will say to just for the sake of, you know, being aboveboard and everything he does cut it off fairly quick, because the sounds terrible, but, but you know, less for that. I'm gonna play it.

Jordan (01:06:02.000)

I raised Why Why? Why would you call into a show? To play them a clip of another show?

Dan (01:06:11.000)

Because they're not doing a good enough job of corralling clips. Alex doesn't cover the stuff really? You know, like, there's like you are someone who's listening and believes in the quote unquote info war. Sure. And so you see Alex kind of just like I will talk to him for a while I take pointless calls. Bla bla, bla, you know, all this, like, hey, there's information that the people need to know, let's get some substance in here. Right. And so you believe that you can bring that to the table and so you decide to bring out your soundboard and force it on Alex. It's great.

Jordan (01:06:46.000)

I mean, playing the clip over the phone is just I would never put

Dan (01:06:49.000)

up with that these days. Like this is a very much pre to being too big. Yeah, Alex, I enjoy I enjoy it's there's a human element to it. This is

Jordan (01:07:01.000)

a big garage. Rocky Yeah, this is like this is the behind the music. He's in his garage. He has to play two minute long clips from some asshole calls him I feel it. Yeah,

Dan (01:07:11.000)

I get you. And I you know, maybe it's a part of me that's has a romantic feeling about that kind of. Yeah, that that's something even though it's Alex, it triggers something in my brain of like, Yeah, this is fun. Yeah. Guy desperately trying to do a show and having just everything kind of go off course. Yeah,

Jordan (01:07:31.000)

that is that is the high wire act that is entertaining, you know that like, at any moment, this could really go off the rails. And that is ending up in an interesting and exciting and unexpected way that you just don't get now you know, if it's gonna go off the rails. It's not even off the rails. The rails are like part or aren't rails. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But I mean, like, but that's, that's part of it, is that they're the idea of there are

Dan (01:07:59.000)

rails and the cart is barely moving nowadays. So yes, what's gonna happen if something goes off? Like slightly is Alex is gonna hang up on somebody and then just start screaming for a while to reset. Exactly. And then it's just like my, and then that is seen as going off the rails? Exactly. It's actually just like, programmed

Jordan (01:08:16.000)

in a game. Yeah, yeah.

Dan (01:08:19.000)

So anyway, we come to the end of this 2004 episode. And I did sincerely mean that I was going to try and stick around in the present. I know. Maybe on Monday, Alex will have put out something where he's back in studio or, you know, who knows? Hopefully, fingers crossed. Yeah. Hopefully he didn't get COVID for the sixth time. Oh, if only we'll see you probably just Cabo. Probably. Or court. Anyway, we'll find out. We'll tune in and check with you later.

Jordan (01:08:50.000)

Okay, that one we got one we cut out that one I keep its knowledge. right.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are at dinners that knowledge I just go fight. Yep. We'll be

Dan (01:09:01.000)

back. But until then, I'm Neil. I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clark.

Jordan (01:09:05.000)

Oh, you know what? And now here comes the sex robots.

Alex Jones (01:09:08.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:13.000)

So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.