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Oh, we got to pause the recording No, you know my you know my weak spots. If there's a school in a game or homesteading? homesteading can't resist. Yep. So let's, uh, let's, uh, further ado, yeah, we have a guest today. So let's not to annoy them further with rambling and talking. Very excited to have this person on the show, someone who we have recently started to been in contact with and we're thrilled to have Erica Lafferty. Thank you for joining us.

Erica Lafferty (00:03:20.000)

Hello, hello. I'm so excited to be here with you guys.

Dan (00:03:24.000)

For those who are unfamiliar, just by your name, you are a You're the daughter of the principal at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and one of the plaintiffs in the Connecticut case against Alex Jones, which is more or less how our orbits intersected. Yep.

Erica Lafferty (00:03:44.000)

Absolutely. I had the the absolute privilege of being the lead plaintiff in that case.

Dan (00:03:52.000)

Was that something that was negotiated dude, was there a drawing straws process or I

Erica Lafferty (00:03:58.000)

mean, I I'm not gonna lie, it would have thrown hands for me to have been at the top of that. But it was just kind of like, who's up to take this beating? And, I mean, so who was like, I mean, I was sure I'm like, I'm like, I got this like, I'm feisty. I I crushed this. Yeah, yeah. Because

Dan (00:04:23.000)

it is, you know, the case as it's titled it's Lafferty at all again, versus Jones and so like, you are really forefront in terms of of that. And I remember I believe it was one of the directors had a question of like, is the person first named or is there anything to the order in terms of like the like,

Jordan (00:04:48.000)

did somebody abused this person more and then there's a lower ranking as it goes on, which would be a very strange system. Like ah ha, yeah.

Erica Lafferty (00:04:58.000)

Crazy shit. Yeah, the hierarchy. Totally random. Yeah, it was totally random. And the the, our legal team was just kind of like, who's up to get their ass kicked, because somebody's name has to go first. And I was like, Yeah, I'm here for it.

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Well, that's that is quite considerate of you, towards your your fellow plaintiffs. So to start things off on a little bit like less of a heavier note or less of a complicated note, you in our email, you'd asked for an explanation of some of our shows lingo, because we have a little bit of a Onix unaccessible. Yeah, nature to some of the terms that get thrown around there. Yeah, this could be useful for some of the newer listeners. Who don't know.

Erica Lafferty (00:05:48.000)

Yeah, I have I have another one to add to my list. Today, too. Um, yeah. So I think I think like the Wanke thing, that's like, first and foremost, like that, that is how I found you. Right. And then I was called the honorary raptor Princess, which was just like, Yo, that sounds so badass. But like, please tell me what it is. And then, yeah, and then today. This this, this walk, wonderful walk, Drew L. His donation was brought to me by a giant intimidating bag of gummy worms. If there was anything behind?

Dan (00:06:30.000)

Sure, sure. So to start at the top right, the walk thing is and sort of a catch all name for our listeners. It started a guess based on like our third or fourth episode or something. Alex Jones said that he's a policy wonk. And I thought it was the funniest thing I've ever heard because he doesn't know anything about policy, like the term is it but the term is used for like somebody who's a real nerd who reads like bills and like is really in the weeds. And I thought it was so funny that he called himself a policy walk. And so I just started playing the sound effect fairly repeatedly. And it took it took his name. It sure

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did for listeners.

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Do you want to feel?

Jordan (00:07:21.000)

Sure, um, as far as raptor princesses go, that's kind of well, we we've done these Project Camelot episodes where and we've talked about Kerry Cassidy and her cadre of space weirdos people who are conspiracy theorists, but you know, with aliens in the like, and so one of the main characters a Captain Mark Richards, he insisted that he was married to a raptor princess.

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The raptors are a species of alien that he is allied with. And so yeah, he got married to the princess of the Raptor aliens. And so we have a little ceramic raptor Princess here. Oh, I love that. Someone has made some other artwork. Featuring that it's just so good. So it's just basically another little title for for folks that we bestow and I'm comfortable saying that you you qualify. You can you can be erect or Princess

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100%.

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I love that. And then the gummy worms is about Bill Ogden, the one of the lawyers in Texas. He in a deposition he was taking a deposition of Owen Shroyer and he was intentionally eating gummy worms in a really menacing way to like gesticulate just kind of like almost a threatening level of ominous Yeah, he's trying to express and so that's kind of become a little bit of a joke for folks as well.

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During the during the Boston trial. Somebody sent him a gigantic gummy worm. As a as a thank you and the end the like,

Dan (00:09:16.000)

Yeah, our listeners are real cool, but also

Jordan (00:09:20.000)

physical. Yeah, whimsical is a good read. Capricia

Erica Lafferty (00:09:24.000)

like I love the attention to detail like I really love how they can pick up on like, the super weird shit and just like make it the best thing ever.

Jordan (00:09:33.000)

Yeah, I we got lucky. Yeah,

Dan (00:09:35.000)

I'm not sure exactly what we did. But a community of folks who have gathered around are so thoughtful and also into like the like exactly what you said they pick up on a little thing and play with it in the right way. That's really cool.

Jordan (00:09:52.000)

And very, very generous. Which I suppose takes us to the next part. You have first off let's let's get into the GoFundMe. You have a GoFundMe campaign right now to pay for your medical bills and the like. Could you talk a little bit about your diagnosis and and how long this has been going on and where we are in the process and the like?

Erica Lafferty (00:10:16.000)

Yeah, so I'm going to Okay, so I'm gonna preface this with like, I work with some walks, right? Like I work at a nonprofit that gets like real, legally, actual real policy. actual policy walks. Yeah, like walks who policy never heard the word wonky. Until I started at this job. And now they're always like, Erica, you're getting too in the weeds. And I'm like, listen, like I work with a roomful of poker players every day all day, like, do this to my brain stuff. I start talking to like, sciency just be impressed because I feel biology 97 times in my life.

Jordan (00:10:52.000)

Don't worry, we will.

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I can I can label you a raptor princess. But I can't do anything about those grades. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to

Erica Lafferty (00:11:02.000)

my principal mother loved it. Okay, so back in 2014, I went to the eye doctor because I inherited my mom's crap vision. And I was there for like just a regular checkup and they found like this little bot behind my left eye and eye doctor like, kind of don't like that. But it's probably just scar tissue. Let's just keep an eye on it, which we did. I went into the eye doctor like, more frequently just to have it like measured in both size and location. For nine years, it stayed exactly the same. So this past December, December 22. It was literally only like 12 days, I think after like No 10 days after the 10 year anniversary of my mom's murder. Um, I go to like my routine checkup and the doctor is like, your scar tissue grew. And I'm like, How does scar tissue just randomly grow after almost a fucking decade? Right? So he's like, Yeah, you should probably go to a neurologist and I'm like, okay, never done that before. So let me like establish myself with a neurologist which if anybody's done that it's not an easy thing to do. There's long waits, whatever. So by the time so from that that initial I doctor appointment to the time I got to the neurologist, my what I thought was scar tissue was had tripled in size. Whoo. Yeah, yeah. So that's, that's some interesting scar tissue.

Dan (00:12:30.000)

If that were scar tissue real this would be an issue for Dr. House. This would be a medical marvel, correct?

Erica Lafferty (00:12:37.000)

Yeah. Right. And like the cane and the abuse of opiates and all that good stuff.

Jordan (00:12:42.000)

Sure. Looks like you're using that eye too much. Try. Try an eyepatch.

Erica Lafferty (00:12:48.000)

Oh my god, I have the best eye patches. There's like pretzels and bananas and stuff on seashell. Oh my god. It's so cool.

Dan (00:12:57.000)

I've been trying to work in VLC reference somewhere because of the left eye aspect right. We've

Jordan (00:13:02.000)

been. We've been going for so long. Both of us figure it out during furtive glances. Is she going to light her house on fire? What's that was

Dan (00:13:10.000)

Andre risings house

Erica Lafferty (00:13:15.000)

so the neurologists are my dogs or cats Roxy she's an apple. So methodologists neurologist like

Dan (00:13:22.000)

unfortunately, you're now going to get a bunch of fan art

Erica Lafferty (00:13:29.000)

noxious so I am not going to religious office and I'm not a doctor was like, Yeah, I'm not really comfortable with like letting you here and not like setting up an appointment at a different doctor. And that's what she said a different doctor. And I'm like, what kind of different doctor do I need to go for? If it's not a doctor for some concern with my eyes near my brain and you don't want me to imagine you don't want me to see a brain doctor. But she hadn't said oncologist. A different doctor. Right? So she's on the phone in. Like she runs out gets her cell phone uses her actual cell phone in the room with me to make an appointment with an oncologist and was like, Okay, you're, uh You need to leave here to this oncology office to have a biopsy like today

Dan (00:14:19.000)

well cool. Yeah, you love it when

Jordan (00:14:23.000)

shit Yeah,

Erica Lafferty (00:14:25.000)

right like if there if there's not a reason to be terrified in that like I don't know what on earth to be scared of. So I go and they do the biopsy they like they do giant to beating up my nose like little like grabbing laser thing and like, rip out part of this massive tumor free bolting in my fucking forehead. And they're like, alright, I'll have fun waiting three weeks for virzal like, oh my god, you're so annoying rock. Sorry, guys. No, no,

Jordan (00:14:58.000)

it's great. This This cuts up the seriousness of the story quite well. henshin break it. Yeah, totally. Yeah, this dog is killing it. Right Roxy, he's

Dan (00:15:06.000)

got timing.

Erica Lafferty (00:15:09.000)

And she's, she's like, there's no reason for her to be acting like that. She takes Prozac every single day. So you want her to be quiet? And I'll tell you how to do. So the, thankfully the results, three weeks, right, it was only like four days before they call me and they're like, Yeah, that's primarily orbital tumor. And we're, we're calling it page two linfoot, like B cell lymphoma. And I'm like, Cool. What does that mean? And they were like, you have you have cancer. Right? And not good cancer. And I'm

Dan (00:15:45.000)

generally GE I want to start on stage one. You know, like, I feel like if you're gonna get that diagnosis, stage, yeah, that's, that's always the probably tough news to swallow.

Erica Lafferty (00:16:00.000)

So I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to do something about the dog. So we're gonna go for a little adventure around my house. Okay. So, um, so, yeah, so that was like one of the viruses that they did that day. They also did biopsies on my lymph cells in my neck. And those results came a bit Matsuda actually pretty mommy.

Dan (00:16:27.000)

I'm judging their home decor. i After labeling Mark Bankston the tapestry King? Yeah, I have now very

Erica Lafferty (00:16:35.000)

good. Yeah, I mean, I have like, cows on my walls, and like all crazy stuff going on here. Um, okay, so the limp Node via proxies came back about two weeks later, and those were significant masses. They were called and I'm like, okay, but they were a stage zero cancer. So, with it being two weeks, in between the two diagnosis, days, right, we kind of had like this plan happening for how we were going to treat the orbital tumor. And the properties of my orbital tumor were very, very similar to that of a thyroid cancer, which is why they chose to do a radioactive iodine treatment, versus like targeted radio, or radiation, sorry. So when I find out that I have like the stage zero lymph node masses, they were like, alright, we're also going to add chemo to this, like treatment plan. And I'm like, Just awesome. At the same time. They're like, yeah, yeah, like they're gonna run concurrently. And I'm like, okay. Oh, yeah, sure. Let's just, yeah, let's pile that on. And I'm like, does that mean like, I have to come here every day? And you're like, No, no, you can take a chemo pill. Right? And it's the best thing for for you specifically, because like my grandfather had this thing called Rambo cytopenia, which is like the form of leukemia and like, I'm predisposed to, like, have all of this like horrible shit. That happened to my body. So I'm lucky, right? And I get to take these chemo pills every single day for five weeks. Very lucky. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm psyched about it,

Dan (00:18:24.000)

right, of course, the alternative, like course, you know, 50 years ago, or whatever, all

Erica Lafferty (00:18:30.000)

of this like, right? Like, and I'm doing this, like during the radioactive iodine treatment and like that, like, basically you go and you tag took three pills, and I sat there. And then he did a little scan to make sure that like, the radioactive iodine, like, activated or whatever. And then I came home and I went directly into isolation for a week and a half.

Dan (00:18:49.000)

Well, we've had a lot of practice with that. Yeah. In the last few years, yeah.

Erica Lafferty (00:18:54.000)

And like, right, and like, that's how I had to explain to my stepkids. Like I, even when I'm, like, not locked in the room anymore. We're gonna practice social distancing. And they're like, we know how to do that. And I'm like, Okay, thank you. So good.

Dan (00:19:08.000)

But a bummer. Yeah. Incredible Hulk COVID

Jordan (00:19:16.000)

were used to lock down is not the chant that you want.

Erica Lafferty (00:19:21.000)

Right, right. And they're just like, yeah, like, we know how to social distance. And we practice this at school. And, you know, isolation is no big and we talked to on FaceTime we did that with our teachers for a year and I'm just like, what the bug these poor children in seven years of life had should not have had to go through this much. But anyway. So fast forward from the like, Oh, you have the stage zero cancer to when I'm like, talking to a social worker and a healthcare advocate and my oncology team and right like this is the type of drug that you're going to be on and by By the way, if your insurance doesn't cover it, they're saying that it's not necessary

Jordan (00:20:05.000)

right right. That's that's the thing. What what what

Dan (00:20:10.000)

I thought that's why you're supposed to have insurance

Jordan (00:20:12.000)

I didn't I remember spending most of my life being told that if I don't have insurance then a catastrophic health problem will right wipe me out. Now, if I understand correctly, it doesn't fucking matter.

Erica Lafferty (00:20:27.000)

It does not fucking matter. It does not like, right and like I work I work like in the Violence Intervention space. Right. And I you know, there there was a couple years that I was like married to like the world's biggest apple. And I got to a point that like I needed to get like restraining orders and this kind of stuff and like it was real shit thing to go through. The like, I'm looking at this insurance thing. Like I'm looking at our domestic violence laws like the cops were straight up like No, there's not anything we can do until he hurts you. Sorry, we're not going to cover your chemo until you're literally on your deathbed.

Dan (00:21:02.000)

Yeah, like did Is there a delineation point for when the insurance is like Okay, now this is necessary like

Erica Lafferty (00:21:11.000)

I maybe when it's like actual like, take over.

Jordan (00:21:15.000)

Appears bleeding from your nose. I think we can cover it now. I can see drips of blood falling from your nose into your mouth. Yeah,

Erica Lafferty (00:21:25.000)

correct. Yeah, yeah. Like yeah, I don't know. Like you're you're turning like a certain shade of yellow that like we have like on our colors.

Jordan (00:21:34.000)

Yellow that's the good yellow. Oh, that's the stuff you don't want that greenish tint. That's we don't know. No,

Erica Lafferty (00:21:39.000)

no, it's that real? Like, like jaundice? Yeah.

Dan (00:21:43.000)

Yeah, it does seem a bit terrifying that an insurance like an actual insurance policy would treat like, you know, something like stage two cancer the same as like a cosmetic period when

Jordan (00:21:59.000)

they when the word cancer shows up. They should be like, fine, we cover it. That feels obvious to me. Right?

Erica Lafferty (00:22:05.000)

So that's like when I like started looking through my policy. I'm like, I can go have like, like, what are the what's that surgery like? The lap band surgery and they would cover like a weight loss. Surgery. Not my fucking cancer.

Dan (00:22:21.000)

I keep hearing about the BBL Yeah, keep hearing people reference that. Never heard of it. The Brazilian Butt Lift.

Jordan (00:22:28.000)

What is that what it's called? All right now we're talking I keep

Dan (00:22:32.000)

I keep seeing Tweets. Like celebrities are doing bbls.

Jordan (00:22:38.000)

Are you following? I'm following. This is a mess. We're learning so much about you.

Erica Lafferty (00:22:44.000)

Oh my god. Twitter's the worst. That's a straight up dumpster fire you

Dan (00:22:48.000)

on Musk is making me learn about bbls. I don't know what's going on. That

Jordan (00:22:51.000)

is an interesting choice for the man. I accept it. Oh,

Dan (00:22:55.000)

that's a that's almost feels cruel. Um, the way that is designed?

Jordan (00:23:02.000)

Yeah. What's your insurance company? Can we be mad at them? Is it Blue Cross Blue Shield?

Erica Lafferty (00:23:09.000)

Oh, not but I'm not saying that it is. Okay.

Dan (00:23:14.000)

To Jordan's a shit stirrer. Listen,

Jordan (00:23:16.000)

when it comes to insurance companies, I will drink their blood. I don't give a shit.

Erica Lafferty (00:23:22.000)

Yeah, so I mean, right. So like, I think I think like having cancer that like, may or may not kill me before my 38th birthday. has taught me a couple of things. Right? Like one. Alright, so let's be fair, like on December 14, right, like my mom 2012 My mom was murdered. Very shortly after that, I realized like, share your you're born to advocate right. My cancer diagnosis definitely taught me that I'm just about done on guns. And I know what's coming next.

Dan (00:24:00.000)

The the personal journeys, leads leads a bit of the advocacy that and I think that obvious I mean, I

Erica Lafferty (00:24:09.000)

am I'm a walking fucking billboard for America's policy failed.

Jordan (00:24:13.000)

Yeah,

Dan (00:24:13.000)

it does seem that way. Yep. And a lot of the times I think a lot of these issues, people have a difficult time grasping a lot of the a lot of them until they either happened to you or someone you love. It becomes a lot more clear. And I think that maybe some of that is a difficult hurdle that we need to somehow figure out how to work into the way we have these conversations.

Jordan (00:24:42.000)

Yeah, it's very it's very difficult not to force on to focus on you know, just like what the fuck fucking what what Jesus fucking Christ. I can't believe that anyone would allow this fucking shit to happen. What do we what did we fuck you know? Like that's it. Insane it's insane. Yeah, that,

Erica Lafferty (00:25:02.000)

that scream from the rooftops you're rotating. Like, it's like

Dan (00:25:06.000)

a life or death version of that Seinfeld episode with the reservation keepers. Oh yeah, that's why I have the reservation. Yeah, we don't have Yeah. Yeah, it's very frustrating to be insured about things.

Erica Lafferty (00:25:20.000)

But like you filed your taxes and like you can get fined if you don't have insurance. Why does the employee have insurance when they're like, you're gonna be lucky to walk away? Only paying $100,000 out of pocket? $100,000 Like, that's more than I'm making here. I work for a fucking nonprofit. Yeah. Like, my job pays my bill. But it doesn't pay $100,000 in medical bills, like I'm gonna be in debt for the rest of my life because I had the audacity to get cancer. Well,

Dan (00:25:49.000)

I mean, that is on you.

Jordan (00:25:50.000)

Yeah. At your age. How could you? How could you really sucked

Erica Lafferty (00:25:55.000)

up? I really fucked up.

Dan (00:25:59.000)

Yeah, that's that kind of reality that like you can have insurance and still walk away with $100,000 in medical debt for it just I don't know. Yes. Want to shake things like an etch a sketch? They just got to figure out like, because there is a better way. I mean, bad. Boy, it seems like a system that we have, there's no reason to be married to it. You know,

Jordan (00:26:22.000)

any, any child could look at me like, oh, no, absolutely not. Shake it. Shake it over and start again. Yeah, start from scratch.

Dan (00:26:30.000)

I'm realizing as I'm talking that your response is just constantly fucking pocket pocket. This is no good. Those are the two voices

Jordan (00:26:40.000)

Well, of that of that activism and, and the like, I suppose now is a good time to get into the trial. You

Dan (00:26:49.000)

well, the we'll also on that note, on on some level. I mean, if you're looking for some kind of a bright spot, or some silver lining, like, at least this didn't happen during COVID, like the worst part of COVID. And it didn't happen during the meat of the trial, like that. I can't imagine, like having to go through all the things that you've had to go through. I can't imagine that on its own. But then if you compounded all of that, that would be I can't imagine I hadn't

Erica Lafferty (00:27:21.000)

like I had a solid two months before. For the like before the cancer after the trial. I mean, I did have to like, you know, motion that like pesky little 10 year anniversary of Sandy Hook. But like, I had a solid two months to like, completely get my life and shit back together. After the trial. Yeah. Oh,

Dan (00:27:42.000)

yeah. That is small mercy. Yeah, it was from the universe. Yeah.

Jordan (00:27:46.000)

I mean, could you could you talk a little bit about your experience there like on a viewer at the you were at the trial, right.

Erica Lafferty (00:27:54.000)

Yeah, I missed one day. I did miss one day. Yeah. I, I had no idea what to expect, right. So like, we didn't, all the families, like met a couple blocks down and then we would walk to the courthouse together every morning. And it was like, I don't know, like picture like the fucking Oscars, right. And like, there's gates, and just media and it's like, you're, you're walking the red carpet of death. into like, go deal with this shit, right. And as soon as you got like, a block away, like, you just hear that like, click, click, click, click, click click of the camera, which like, is so fucking trigger thing? Because we had to deal with that so much in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Like, how is the click of a camera going to trigger my fucking PTSD? But it does.

Jordan (00:28:57.000)

Oh, no, it makes perfect sense.

Dan (00:28:58.000)

Yeah. And just even the like, inordinate amount of attention probably like is in some way. Comfortable. It's interesting to me the way you're describing this, because we mentioned we were at the trial in Austin, and it was absolutely not like that dead. Like, well, maybe not totally, but definitely didn't have the, you know, lots of clicking cameras. And, you know, it was pretty,

Jordan (00:29:25.000)

I mean, I to a certain extent, I have a hard time not thinking that some of the fact that the Austin trial became so you know, public, it became so famously famous for like, SARS, it amped your

Dan (00:29:43.000)

media, attention, text message, Ruby. Oh,

Jordan (00:29:46.000)

totally. Yeah, all of the all of the big high drama moments almost certainly lead to increase IV of media attention, because they're thinking, Oh, well, we're gonna get the same fireworks from Connecticut. So sorry, bye. He's

Erica Lafferty (00:30:02.000)

definitely all your fault. Yeah, but like also like, right, we're like, we're in Connecticut. We're This is like the Sandy Hook community. You know, there are not many people, you know, above a certain age that are like, go no, I have no idea where I was like at the time that seedheads like 911, right, like, this was the 911 of gun violence. But yeah, just like the walking in was intense, right? Like, I started, like I had missed one day. I think it was like the first Thursday, I wasn't there. And the only day no matter how we like, staggered or tried to walk not as a group where we walked in, like, not with our husbands or, you know, the families which tried to trick people. The only day I didn't get completely smoked with reporters is the day I caught 18 inches off my hair. Well, you learn looking at me, and I was like, I wish I was like, I remember thinking like, oh, I should like shaved my head for like the day of the verdict. Right? So like, they won't notice me right now. I'm like, oh, fuck, I have cancer, I'm probably gonna have to shave my head. You could

Dan (00:31:10.000)

have gotten some practice with wigs. Yeah, you could have had all kinds of different ways. You know,

Jordan (00:31:15.000)

like to go with the Groucho Marx glasses. Yeah, that would have worked missed

Dan (00:31:19.000)

opportunities.

Erica Lafferty (00:31:24.000)

I mean, actually, like being in a courtroom was wild. Like, I never paid attention this fucking guy, right? Like, I knew he was like, some crazy fucking lunatic. And I knew that I was being threatened and stalked and harassed. And, you know, like, literally tortured in my daily life because of him. But like, couldn't tell you anything about him never went to like, I went to his website, I think one time, the first time I like, connected the name Alex Jones to the show. And I was on the website for like, 13 seconds before I was like, Yeah, fuck that. Nothing about him. You know? I mean, that was that was enough for like seven life. Yeah, it was number seven lifetime you spend 30. Learned about?

Erica Lafferty (00:32:16.000)

Like, the things that I learned about him during this trial, I'm like, How can anyone who gives me a bucket seriously?

Dan (00:32:22.000)

Yeah, it's hard to believe. Yeah. Frogs gay.

Jordan (00:32:26.000)

It is a little bit weird for us. Whenever we talk to people outside of our world, where they go, how could anybody believe it? And we're already so far past that we're like, Ah, you're never going to convince people not to believe it. Like, we're already on the other side of that you can't fix these people.

Dan (00:32:43.000)

Slight nihilism about this information. But yeah, it's it's it's tough once it has an emotional appeal to people to to really grasp the ways that things don't make sense, unfortunately.

Erica Lafferty (00:32:58.000)

Yeah. Wild for sure.

Dan (00:33:02.000)

Must one thing, I think, must have been like, really nice. Or at least, like, it's something that came through, I felt with watching the trial, as we did watch the live streams. It seemed like there was like a real great solidarity among the plaintiffs. And that probably had to make all of that a little bit easier to bear. I would assume

Erica Lafferty (00:33:27.000)

I would not have gotten through those weeks without the other families. You know, like my husband, or my sister would say, like, you know, we really don't want you to go to court alone. And I'm like, How the hell am I alone? Like, I'm never alone, when I'm with the families, like, I'm with my other family, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I never want to even if it was just me walking in, felt alone, you know, there was always a hand hold, or somebody passing me tissues, or Jolly Ranchers, or, you know, sneaking me a bottle of water. It was, it was it was really the bright spot of the trial, right? Like, we've all been so isolated, and so tortured in our own forms of torture for so many years, that like, we really lost that connection if it ever existed. And this really got the opera gave us the opportunity to like, catch up and get to know what's going on with each other's lives and see, you know, the types of work that we've been doing and like a, you know, like, I don't know, it's like a

Dan (00:34:34.000)

tragic climbing reunion.

Erica Lafferty (00:34:38.000)

Yeah, yeah. You know, and like listening to the testimony of the other plaintiffs, like I learned so much about my mom. I learned so much about like, my own story that like I had blocked out but like the parts of their story that they were telling, filled in gaps that I've been trying to fill For over a decade and I'm like, Oh my god. So that's how it happened. Oh my god, you were the guy that I, you know, handed the thing to on that random, like it just connected so many pieces in Yeah. And it was it was really surreal.

Jordan (00:35:16.000)

Yeah. Was there was there a pretty significant catharsis that came along with like, at the end of that trial whenever everybody's there after the verdict like did that culminate into something that all of you like, celebrate a huge or was it more like a somber like, Finally we're done with this or

Erica Lafferty (00:35:37.000)

I'm um, I mean right after the the verdicts were read, we walked out of the courthouse and it was just like we are we are doing this and we're doing this together, we all waited like in the lobby, we walked out at once. And then there was like that little press conference, everybody had the opportunity to speak and we were just like, so together in that moment, um, you know, and, and I feel so much more supported. And were supported in what's going on in my life currently, as far as like my medical issues and all of that. So many of the families that I went through the trial with are contacting me on a near daily basis. And had that trial not happened, had I not been on that plaintiff list with these families. Like, I wouldn't have that support from these people who literally mean the world to me.

Dan (00:36:33.000)

That's, that's, that's really great. Yeah, you know, that, I mean, awful circumstances. But that's, that's so great. You know, I was thinking to that, like, that probably, it was such a large part of that comes from you all sharing such a unique kind of trauma, you know, a unique experience. That is, you know, what is underlying the, the lawsuit itself of, you know, the denial of your loved one's existence, and, and that, that it's, you know, that's something that a lot of people probably have no idea what that experience is like, but they do. And then I was thinking about it a little more. And there are other people though, too, you know, it's, it's kind of scary to think about that there are other folks outside of even just to share loved ones of people who were killed at Sandy Hook, you know, who have had that experience as well. That's, man.

Jordan (00:37:28.000)

Yeah. I mean, the only thing, obviously, worse than any of that is having to experience it alone. So it is. Yeah, I can't I can't imagine that concept. But

Erica Lafferty (00:37:39.000)

yeah, I mean, there's been so many times that, you know, myself or one of the other plaintiffs would just be like, this isn't a money thing. For us, it's never been a money thing for us. This is to ensure that we are doing everything we can possibly fucking think of, to prevent other families of mass tragedy, from having to deal with the fucking torture that we have for the past decade. And I would do it again, in a heartbeat. As much as it hurt as much as I had to put out there for the world and literally, like, expose the worst things that have ever happened to me. I would I would, I would do it again.

Dan (00:38:21.000)

That's, that's very, very brave.

Jordan (00:38:24.000)

In the sense, then, do you feel like the Do you feel like you're you're done with this whole chapter, this whole Alex Jones thing? All of this noise? You You finished it? I know. You're shaking your head? Oh, no, that looks very much kind of knew the answer to that question beforehand. But you know, Hope springs eternal. Well,

Dan (00:38:48.000)

you're a creditor now. Yeah.

Jordan (00:38:51.000)

Well, that's the

Dan (00:38:52.000)

Yeah. Bankruptcy. Yeah.

Erica Lafferty (00:38:54.000)

So there's there's that

Jordan (00:38:56.000)

Yeah, I mean, I met not more than that many meeting that but like, you know, psychologically, this experience of, do you feel like you want? That's more I think, what I'm what I'm asking. That face doesn't say yes, either. That's what No. So

Erica Lafferty (00:39:13.000)

like, like, I look like this. This is a multifaceted thing for me, right? So Alex Jones will forever be in my life. He has imprinted the worst of the world into my brain and shown me the true depths of hell that exists on this earth. And he will be forever part of my story because of the horrible actions that he took after my mother was gunned down in the halls of an elementary school, right. He was found liable for all of the horrible shit lies that he spread. I was able to have my day in court. are in holding accountable for those lies. But that's not going to be the end of Alex Jones. He is no he's, he's a fucking monster. And he's not going to stop. Yeah.

Dan (00:40:16.000)

Jordan has stressed over and over and over again. There is no stop.

Erica Lafferty (00:40:22.000)

And it says cult following, right. So like, even if Alex Jones never said Eric Lafferty again, it doesn't matter because he's already put it in the brains of God only knows how many humans right like when they were breaking down the impressions during the trial. I was just like, no fucking wonder I'm agoraphobic.

Jordan (00:40:44.000)

Right. I didn't know the true scale of how many people were an asshole to me.

Erica Lafferty (00:40:50.000)

Yeah. There are that many fucking apples in the world. Yeah. And it's like, okay, well, like. And that was like, so like, like, almost like, satisfying to me. Like, I am not crazy in the fact that I'm terrified to walk into a grocery store. I am not crazy, but I've moved five times since the shooting. I am not crazy that I travel under an alias. I am not crazy that I leased cars, so that I don't have to have taxes owed and my fucking name. publishing my address like like they could be it could be anyone anywhere. And you like I never know when like seeing that like true scale. Was really fucking validating. Yeah, but also pretty fucking scary. Yeah. Yeah. Because people in the world think like I'm talking last thing.

Dan (00:41:44.000)

Yeah. And it's not just that they think that you're lying. It's that by the nature of the lie. You are like running a con on the country in order to facilitate like a one world order takeover. Like, essentially it's the accusation of the lie is so much more severe than just like you're lying to people. Yeah, it's

Jordan (00:42:09.000)

not it's not just that oh, they that battle like says oh, this is something that's not true. It's that something that's not true is part of you are a murderer cults. Yeah, you're an agent? No, yeah, you are, you are part of the group killing the entire world. Yeah. So that justification allows people to indulge in the absurd amount of abuse they've spewed at you. Over the past. And

Erica Lafferty (00:42:38.000)

it's crazy. Like, right, like, there are people who I went to high school with that have straight up questioned whether or not my mom was killed. And I'm like, you fucking know my mom.

Dan (00:42:51.000)

Yeah, that's,

Jordan (00:42:54.000)

you know, that's that's one of those, though, that you're like, Oh, the human brain is just fucked up bubble. You know, you can really just get in somebody's brain and change things in a way that I don't think any of us are really kind of prepared to deal with the the truth of that.

Dan (00:43:10.000)

And I think a lot of people miss understand the idea of like, if there's smoke, there's fire, kind of like, if 100 People are talking about there's a must be something to it. Yeah. You know, I think I think people can get twisted on that a little bit.

Jordan (00:43:25.000)

Yeah, there's something to be said for group thing.

Erica Lafferty (00:43:27.000)

Yeah, it was just it was a wild, wild wild experience. And like the day the one day the man had the balls to walk into the courtroom. Yeah. Like, I made damn sure that I was like, on the defendants side and like the bench and there was idea of his two like giant security guards that were paid like 80 grand to be there. I gave them like, like, six inches of space to share, right? And I'm just like, Huh, you know, and then like, he gets up and he testifies and Matty's all like, you know, being badass Chris, Maddie and Jones is like, you know, smack in the head veins and neck veins and like, all right. And Chris, like he wouldn't, he would slam something down on Jones and then turn around and look at our families and just smirk, like, I wish the livestream showed that like, he'd be

Dan (00:44:27.000)

a little bit I think, I think there was a little smirk. You could, you could ascertain if not visually, yeah,

Jordan (00:44:32.000)

generally, he was very calm and even keeled. But there was there was definitely times when you're like, Yeah, see, here's

Dan (00:44:39.000)

the difference between you and Erica Jordan is that she bullied these security guards, whereas you refuse to sit next to them because you were scared? No,

Jordan (00:44:49.000)

ah, I invited them to sit next to me and then got very scared sweat. i Okay, so the store what happened was I was in the court. I was seated at the very back pew to avoid bringing attention to my useless self.

Dan (00:45:08.000)

Well, and Mark banks said there was only one seat for one of us up front. I took press. So I

Jordan (00:45:15.000)

had to I had to sit at the back and his his security guards came over. And they stood right next to me. And I turned and I was like, Oh, you guys are those guys? You want to sit right next to me. And then I realized that that was a terrible idea. Because they immediately moved away and then they split. They dispersed around the room and then just started staring back at me at regular intervals. So I got so nervous that I started to sweat through my entire shirt. All the way down. Oh, all the way down.

Dan (00:45:46.000)

There's a heavily marked Yeah. With about four inch pit sweats. Yeah.

Jordan (00:45:53.000)

Oh. The expert, the expert witness on journalism made fun of me that

Jordan (00:46:05.000)

it was a day.

Erica Lafferty (00:46:07.000)

Day or the whole day. It was a whole Yeah, no, but I was just like, I was like, Yeah, I hear you. buggin 250 pound man, you get this six inches to share. And then I kept like, scooting closer. And then like Jones gets off the stand. Jones gets off the stand. And they're all like with their little, like, earpieces and they're like, We gotta go. We gotta rush him out of the courtroom. And I'm like, I'm sorry. Do you think that I'm a threat to him? I'm fucking five, four.

Dan (00:46:35.000)

That's probably how they experience it. Yeah, at some level, you probably are quite a threat, if not physically. Eric Lafferty

Erica Lafferty (00:46:45.000)

Well, what is five inches or five feet and four inches of her she's coming for ya.

Dan (00:46:49.000)

But what if Alex accidentally has a feeling of looking at you feels regret or something?

Jordan (00:46:55.000)

That's a danger that could isness that could ruin the entire gig.

Dan (00:46:59.000)

So I had one question.

Erica Lafferty (00:47:01.000)

Oh my god. So there was one day because I didn't regret it. Sorry. There's one day right. And it's raining and I'm walking into court and Alex is there. And his security guys like I'm under the umbrella right and he's like walking through like our little like, red carpet of death like and like in between like the gates or whatever into the courthouse. And Alex walks in and security officers are like, holding me out in the rain and mind you like I have curly hair, I and it was it was when it before I cut the 18 inches. So it was like down to the bottom line back. I blow dried and straight into my fucking hair. And they're trying to hold me out in the rain to wait for Alex Jones. So I literally bought need a point with my hands and spread his security guard. And I was like, not waiting in the rain for that fucking asshole. And through his and I'm like, you paid $80,000 for these giant walk through

Dan (00:48:04.000)

the that's a salt. I actually was they're very expensive umbrellas.

Erica Lafferty (00:48:14.000)

Oh my god, I can't sneeze out there with a book like, Fuck you, Alex,

Dan (00:48:19.000)

I had a great moment where there's a picture from the Austin trial of Alex and his lawyer. And you know right now, and Alex has a piece of tape on his mouth. And I think it said like first amendment or something like that. And I saw him put the tape on his mouth. And he was posing with his lawyer. And like, I see that picture and I know that like, maybe four or five feet away. I am standing with another person who was a listener of our show, who was at the trial and I'm just like, look at this asshole. Just poor to get him standing on with tape he put on his own mouth. Yeah. The question that I was gonna ask before Jordan very

Jordan (00:49:05.000)

rudely interrupted I

Dan (00:49:06.000)

was gonna say not rudely.

Erica Lafferty (00:49:08.000)

It was me screaming like I'm gonna lose this and you'll regret it. It's my fault.

Jordan (00:49:13.000)

There's one rude one. Oh, this one?

Dan (00:49:16.000)

I think one of the things that sticks out the most from the trials outside of the you know the family members and apply other plaintiffs testimonies was norm palaces theatrics, perhaps? I didn't know how one would take some of the things that he said because a lot of it was very offensive. And

Erica Lafferty (00:49:46.000)

I got direct attacks out. Yeah, yeah.

Dan (00:49:50.000)

I couldn't understand because I've, you know, we've not spoken before today, really. And I don't know how someone in your position would take some Like, is this awful? Or is it almost like, like surreal on a, I can't believe this person level.

Erica Lafferty (00:50:10.000)

So I was what I wish you could have seen is like how he was in the time leading up to the start of court. Because I've sat in the front row almost every day, I sat as close to like his side as I possibly could as many days as I could. There was like one of his like, fucking Pattice pony hairs like hanging off the back of his chair for the entire trial. But anyway, he would be like, Oh, you're here alone today? Or? Oh, like to me and one of the sodas. It's just like, are you guys, the sisters? And I'm like, No, you know, damn well, that we're not the sisters.

Jordan (00:50:51.000)

Wait. I'm sorry. Norm was misidentifying. You in court? Correct. All right. All right. Good.

Dan (00:51:00.000)

Also the way God the way your man is running today, I have to I have to just make sure that you're not implying that he was being flirtatious. He probably could have been, it sounded like it could have like, yeah, interpretation of the way you were describing this is like, almost flirting.

Erica Lafferty (00:51:17.000)

But like, I don't know, because the numbers the day that he talked to me about his wife, the fucking psychiatrist. If anyone needs to be married to a psychiatrist, it isn't. I'm talking Pattice let me just say that for the record. But he tells me that his wife has like barely spoken to him and mine for taking this case. Why would you tell me that, sir?

Dan (00:51:40.000)

Because he's a real piece of shit. He probably thinks it bolsters like his integrity or something like this. But like, I have consequences for standing up for no, he was

Jordan (00:51:49.000)

showing off to you probably. Yeah. He was trying to get you to like him. Also,

Erica Lafferty (00:51:54.000)

like he was like, oh, yeah, my wife. She's a psychiatrist. And I was like, oh, that's lucky for you. And I just turned my fucking head.

Dan (00:52:00.000)

Yeah. You know, you have a lot of problems with the insurance business. But Norm has some problems with the woke insurance. Yeah, the

Jordan (00:52:08.000)

behavior that he was allowed to get away with, like the shit that what was it, it was Maya, the shit that she let him get away with. When it was like in the morning, you would hear her get the lawyers together and be like, Dorn, here's all the shit you can't do. And then at the trial, she'd be like, Hey, I told you not to do that. And then eventually, she just stopped stopping him. You know, like, there were so many times, like, what was it like to experience him? essentially saying the same shit Alex was?

Erica Lafferty (00:52:39.000)

Yeah, I mean, it was. It was wild. Right? And like, there was so much that like, like about me personally, we couldn't talk about because of like, the nature of my work and the nature of my volunteer work. And the fact that Oh, Ian makes this whole fucking video like, oh, fuck you, Lafferty, you know, and like, that couldn't even be presented into evidence because it was too political. Right. Right. Like,

Jordan (00:53:10.000)

right. They didn't want they don't want the facts. They didn't want the fact that so many if not all of the family members have and people at the at the trial, have charitable or organizations work for nonprofits, you know, do all the well, they know. For the most part,

Dan (00:53:30.000)

they did not want a lot of the reality, but claiming that you were trying to take everyone's guns is somehow like, that was still something that Norm

Jordan (00:53:41.000)

Yeah, no, that's still fine. No, that's totally

Erica Lafferty (00:53:43.000)

Yeah. And like that was totally and then like, during, like the redirect and my testimony that like back and forth with me and Maddie, like, Do you know his stance on this? No. Do you care? No. Do you know a stance on this? No. Do you care? No. And that was just like, a highlight of the trial for me was just me and Maddie going back and forth. Forth like boom, whoa, whoa,

Dan (00:54:04.000)

I'm here in the Rocky theme. I think up and down the court steps. Yeah, I mean, like,

Erica Lafferty (00:54:12.000)

I mean, banks into he came up and I was just like, Oh my God.

Dan (00:54:17.000)

Yeah, marks mark is pretty fun. Yeah, neat, dude. The thing with norm that I thought was the worst, and maybe you'd agree or disagree. Was the like, directly implying that you all were exaggerating your grief? Yeah. that I thought was almost inexcusable in an opening or closing statement. In any context. I've been

Jordan (00:54:41.000)

in a private conversation where no one else but him is talking to a mirror that is fucked up to do. Yeah.

Erica Lafferty (00:54:49.000)

Yeah. And that's like, you know, and he like, he like balanced that with like, her grief is because her mom was murdered. But he's saying the mom what my My mom wasn't murdered. Her grief is being exaggerated her life really isn't, you know, that impacted? Bro, I was on the stand testifying about the fucking rape threats that were sent to me when Alex Jones was holding core outside with the press trying to fucking pitch his book.

Dan (00:55:20.000)

He did have a copy of that book. Yeah, yeah. He

Erica Lafferty (00:55:25.000)

walked into court with it like, yeah. You're telling me that I'm exaggerating about trauma about rape?

Jordan (00:55:32.000)

Yeah, I still don't. I'm still not able to quite hang with how much shit he was allowed to get away with. Especially with all the tut tutting that was going on immediately. Hi, we told you this is not a good idea to do. You shouldn't have done that. Like, yeah, we're way past I shouldn't have done shit.

Erica Lafferty (00:55:50.000)

Come on now. Right? But then like if cough cough or Matty ever fucking did that. Like it would have been a whole different story, but it's just like, oh, norms norm.

Jordan (00:56:00.000)

Yeah, yeah. Fuck you. You're That's your job. Yeah, you're supposed to control them.

Dan (00:56:05.000)

You don't play by the rules. So we can't

Jordan (00:56:08.000)

do like, what are you fucking talking about? Oh, boy. Well, we

Erica Lafferty (00:56:12.000)

know your clients not gonna not gonna listen. So like, if that was me up there. Like she wouldn't just be like, oh, yeah, well, do your best to get it or listen, Maddie.

Dan (00:56:23.000)

Yeah, she just yells a lot. What are you gonna do?

Erica Lafferty (00:56:28.000)

Yeah, and I mean, like, it's so the amount of poisoned patients that Judge Ellis showed like, I wouldn't have been able to do it. But like, what do you do when you have someone who's so? Chris Matty. Someone who's so norm Pattice? Like, what do you do when you're trying to balance that? You know what I mean? I feel like judge bells with this like, fucking preschool teacher like trying to rip the apple kids apart. Like,

Dan (00:57:01.000)

yeah, I like they are so different. Visually, stylistically, just everything.

Jordan (00:57:10.000)

I mean, the problem. The problem really is he's done so much norm that in a regular real life trial with real human beings involved. He wouldn't be allowed he would be kicked off. He wouldn't be allowed to do this. But because Alex, that's because it's Alex. There's just no one else who will do it. And they won't just be like fine trial over because norm sucks so bad. You lose because norm sucks that

Dan (00:57:37.000)

tried to quit. He tried to quit try. Yeah, that's true. That's something like No, no, they pretend that didn't happen. Alex both seem to have forgotten to defend.

Erica Lafferty (00:57:49.000)

No honor. I have the honor of representing Mr. Jones The Honor,

Dan (00:57:54.000)

I hear I hate to be disrespectful at all and I hope this doesn't come off that way. But when I was watching the trial, and I saw when it got to the verdicts I believe it was Robbie Parker was the first name you read. And I didn't know what to expect but I thought maybe a couple of million and when it was as high as it was, I blurt laughed sitting alone in my apartment because it was just like it was such a tension release and a like I found it amazing.

Jordan (00:58:27.000)

Yeah, we were both we were both waiting for it to be way too low we were both waiting for them to be like oh there was a fucking disagreement in the jury because of some asshole or any number of things Yeah, whenever pessimism Yeah, I mean we're just so used to not seeing consequences for anyone. I mean, the problem of course now being is that the consequences are very very slow. Yeah, but yeah, whenever whenever they

Erica Lafferty (00:58:54.000)

that they might in fact kill me.

Jordan (00:58:57.000)

That's the other thing I appreciate that you are revealing how stupid and pointless and useless our medical system is our insurance system the legal system the bankruptcy system the I don't know you're probably not paid enough so the nonprofit system any number of different you like Why Why are you still a nice person? That seems absurd to me. If you there's no villain origin story better I feel like you could if you had control of whether weapons you've got free license what

Dan (00:59:30.000)

if? Okay, gone Hear me out on Yeah. What if this chemo gives you superpowers? Oh

Jordan (00:59:35.000)

shit. That Whoa. Evil then you can turn evil. Yeah, you get full license from knowledge fight to turn.

Dan (00:59:42.000)

Yeah, we'll allow it. You're a raptor princess.

Erica Lafferty (00:59:45.000)

Oh my god. I love this. I love this and I'm gonna spin off this like I Oh, okay, so one of the other Sandy Hook plaintiffs was like Erica, you totally need to get a journal. You need to start like writing things down. I am going to write my evil villain story. My fucking journal pal Yeah,

Dan (01:00:01.000)

cuz it Jordan is right. I mean, like there are lesser wrongs that have created comic book villain. Yeah,

Jordan (01:00:08.000)

yeah. But yeah. So have you been? Have you been following along too much with the ongoing bankruptcy stuff? Have you been getting regular updates? Are you kind of just like, let that be handled by other people.

Erica Lafferty (01:00:25.000)

So our, our legal team does, like they'll send an email anytime something like biggish happens and they're just like, hey, family meeting, and we'll hop on a zoom, they'll explain the things that we should be retaining. And they're like, we'll let you know if we need you to do something kind of thing. I was doing a better job of keeping up with stuff until now, that's a fucking lie.

Jordan (01:01:01.000)

Fair, fair.

Erica Lafferty (01:01:02.000)

I was like, I was really trying. But then I was like, it was really only until like, it was like that first month, right? Like, because, you know, the trial ended. And then it's like, I have a couple of weeks to breathe. And I was like, kind of paying attention. But then it's like, we're rolling into Thanksgiving. I get slammed with the 10 year and now my tumor thing and you know, like my life just even completely batshit and

Dan (01:01:29.000)

was perfect circumstances. This is still even complicated to keep up with. I can't I can't even imagine trying to trying to carry that. But it's got to be still just like, like, even if you're not following, it's still just got to be annoying. I imagine that like, this is still lingering. Yeah, it just won't. Like it won't end. It just won't end.

Erica Lafferty (01:01:53.000)

So like I it haunts me that I have this. Narcissistic, sociopathic. roid rage II vodka drink monster that owes me like 100 million fucking dollars. And I am crowdfunding for life saving treatment so that I don't die before I turned 38. The reality that I'm living in right now. Like, it takes me a lot to hate someone I am not going to lie and say like, I didn't hate Alex Jones, I got to despise the man. But now give me those evil powers.

Jordan (01:02:32.000)

Oh, it doesn't. It doesn't take much for me to hate people. And believe me, it goes far beyond Alex Jones. And this whole situation. You've you've been failed by beyond the number of people that I can even comprehend. And I hate all of them. So that helps. If that helps, then I give you permission. You're not the wrath of Jordan. Yeah, I mean, it's absurd. If I think about it, if I think about it for too long, I really start to go blind. Like it really does make me very, very, very, very angry. And I think one of

Dan (01:03:01.000)

the problems do like, especially as it relates to this bankruptcy and even to some degree, like the trial stuff, like it's what, what the person who obviously is to be hated Alex is doing is exploiting things that are meant to protect, like well intentioned people, you know, who get caught in these systems, you know, like, yeah, you know, various legal loopholes, and chapter five or sub chapter five protections and reorganization of businesses. It's just malicious abuse of these things that are meant to protect people and,

Jordan (01:03:39.000)

and it's just fucking stupid. Like, here's, here's my theory. All right. As far as the list of creditors goes, whoever has cancer is the number one creditor and gets taken care of immediately. Like, I feel like that's simple. If you've got an emergency, just do that first. It's an emergency. You can handle all the other shit later. Why would you ever think that you should be allowed for a year of bankruptcy court to go on? That's fucking insane.

Dan (01:04:05.000)

Yeah, that could be

Jordan (01:04:08.000)

Yeah, I put cars there people to call No, they don't give a fuck. They're though they're lawyers. They'll just send a letter saying stop calling us because they're the people who could do it. Ah, I'm doing all right. I'm okay.

Erica Lafferty (01:04:22.000)

And meanwhile, like I have this GoFundMe and I am sending a personal thank you to every every single donation that comes in. I am still working full time. I have my husband, I have five siblings. I have my grandmother who like bless her sweet little heart like I talked to as much as humanly possible. I have five asshole dogs. My three step kids right like the house and I'm trying to do all of these things. But at the same time, like fundraising is my top priority to not die. Despite the fact that this asshole like $40,000 a month isn't enough to live on. buckle up Alex Jones.

Jordan (01:05:02.000)

Yeah, if I think about that too hard. I start to go blind.

Dan (01:05:05.000)

Yeah. You should auction off one of those security guards head oh boy gets to put give it to the GoFundMe. Yeah,

Jordan (01:05:12.000)

no kidding. Hey, in the budget we can afford $100,000 every month for security. But we're gonna have to figure out the creditor situation later on. Sorry. Sorry about that. Erica,

Dan (01:05:23.000)

it is such a difference between like the

Erica Lafferty (01:05:25.000)

luck with the cancer kid. Right. Yeah.

Dan (01:05:29.000)

The because he has, you know, he has the all these resources and it sucks.

Jordan (01:05:36.000)

It is it is Bananas, bananas.

Dan (01:05:41.000)

But I'm glad, you know, at least in the sense that there is some positive that people are supporting and rallying around, although, just today, I believe there was that Vox article that came out and you're talking about how, you know, there's this bitter sweetness? He was vice? Oh, vice. Yeah, yeah. There's this bitter sweetness of the you know, that you are getting support? And then at the same time, it's predicated on your mother being murdered? Yeah. And that is so hard to wrestle with that, that reality.

Erica Lafferty (01:06:17.000)

Yeah, you know, and it's fucking crazy, right? Like, my, I've been living my wife on this very public platform. For the past decade, I was thrown into that I didn't really have a fucking choice.

Erica Lafferty (01:06:38.000)

That gave me what I need to survive. It gave me name recognition. And it gave me I mean, I don't know how to say this. Like, if I didn't happen to be the daughter of a victim of high profile mass shooting, people wouldn't give a fuck. And I would not be able to raise the $100,000 that I need to survive this. That is just a fact of life. Right? So like, there's two crazy things here, there's one a reason that I almost feel I need to be thankful that my mom was murdered, which is fucked up all on its own. And to largely, in part, because of Alex Jones, that I have found any sense of external support. Right, because without Alex Jones, there would not be YouTube without YouTube, there wouldn't be the wolves. Without the wolves, there wouldn't be the $20,000 spike in my GoFundMe. Well, fucking circle,

Jordan (01:07:57.000)

you know, if it weren't for Alex, maybe we would have had gun control, and we wouldn't be here. You know, like, that's, that's kind of, that's kind of one of those situations where I recognize those kinds of like, cognitive dissonance aspects to it, but it's, you know, it is it is like,

Dan (01:08:14.000)

it's, it's, it's kind of literate literature, like literature kind of irony, perhaps. But it's still, like, it's, it's too much credit to give him.

Jordan (01:08:28.000)

Yeah, yeah. That's, it's not a none of him.

Dan (01:08:33.000)

In spite of him, it is it is

Jordan (01:08:35.000)

actively against his wishes. And

Erica Lafferty (01:08:37.000)

that and, and, like, I love that, and I love that, because there are other people in this world that feel about Alex Jones, how I feel about Alex Jones, that I am getting the support that I desperately need,

Dan (01:08:54.000)

when we're thrilled to be in any part of that. It's, it's great. I mean, like, I think one of the things that's been really wonderful about doing this as a whole is like, being able to, in some way, take something that is so awful, which is Alex and his content, am transmuted or into something that can be positive for folks. And that I mean, definitely never was what I expected. But yeah, so it's so fantastic. And it's it's a testament to the listeners. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

Jordan (01:09:30.000)

Oh, no, when I started comedy, I was planning on talking about my penis for the rest of my life. Yeah, I was gonna be like this. They'll do it. This is gonna take me to the top. I have the most interest. So fucking interesting. It'll fuel a comedy career. Yeah, it'll be No. And here we are doing. Maybe the thing that is most honorable that I can think of to do in my life. So I am grateful to the walks more than anybody else. Definitely.

Erica Lafferty (01:09:59.000)

Oh my god. The best collection of humans. The

Dan (01:10:04.000)

that that guilt, though, is so fascinating to me. I don't I don't want to press on it. But I have been thinking about that, since I read read that article that that that dynamic of, of, you know, something that is the, you know, the trauma of your life, also being so, so. It's fascinating. And then at the same time, there's that offshoot of it that you had that is the if it weren't for this, you wouldn't be in a position where people were rallying around and, and giving support. And I mean, I think obviously, there's such a tragedy that's built in about the insurance system. And then, I don't know, how do we create something where people who aren't in your position who need help get that help?

Jordan (01:11:03.000)

Yeah, I mean, really, what what we're talking about here is, you wouldn't none of this would be necessary. You wouldn't even be feeling this if we had a medical system that fucking functioned. You know, like, we wouldn't be here you wouldn't have to feel grateful towards any of this bullshit, it would be taken care of because you're a human being like everybody fucking else, you know. And so it is, it is a tragedy not of anybody's individual actions so much as it is the the entirety of society is organized wrong.

Erica Lafferty (01:11:38.000)

I think I spent after my mom was murdered 10 years trying to reduce the number of gun deaths and injuries that we see in this country. And I think this just gives me a focus for my next decade or several.

Dan (01:11:57.000)

Better be that's fantastic. I think we will all look forward to seeing you know, what, what comes out of that and what advocacy is, follows. And I think I feel like we just got to find obscure gofundraise That's what we should do. Maybe you should just dig and find obscure GoFundMe is and try and help people

Erica Lafferty (01:12:20.000)

I know my husband and I were saying like anything right so like we opened this whole separate checking account and like every single penny from the GoFundMe is going in there plus like the we have like the hook Did you guys see my refund? Lafferty Lafferty V lymphoma.

Jordan (01:12:36.000)

Oh, that's great. That's great. Yeah, LEED Platinum many

Erica Lafferty (01:12:42.000)

of the wanks right so many of the books have been like, emailing Lafferty do but BOMA like@gmail.com to like, get the fuckin wristbands or whatever I'm like. So all of this money like, right, it's going directly into this other like medical specific account. And my husband and I keep saying like, okay, as soon as I'm like, they're like, Okay, you are cancer free kid. We're going to, like hunt through all of the GoFundMe, and find the situation most similar to mine and just donate 100% of whatever is left. And I cannot wait to be the person that wants have been to me and just relieve the stress.

Jordan (01:13:31.000)

And that's not supervillain shit. What are you doing? You need to be building machines to take over the world. What is rockin

Erica Lafferty (01:13:39.000)

that for my journal and not for action to Okay,

Jordan (01:13:43.000)

there we go. No, I

Dan (01:13:44.000)

think you're on act for by now.

Jordan (01:13:46.000)

You've got a lot more accent anybody lives. You've got Titus Andronicus level of x going on here.

Dan (01:13:55.000)

So I'm so grateful for your generosity with your time. This is it's been really nice to talk to you. It's been amazing. I have one other question though. I do notice we used to have a phone number. That was our call in line that I was trying to find an anagram

Jordan (01:14:14.000)

you're gonna ask the same way I was going to ask the same question but anyways, keep going.

Dan (01:14:19.000)

The only thing that I could find as a phone number that made words was tat guys. And so Jordan and I decided we were the TAT guys for a little while because we both have tattoos. Yeah. And I saw your arm you have some prominent tattoos. And I was wondering like, if you had any that were particularly like

Jordan (01:14:39.000)

I was legitimately waiting for the chance to ask you this question. got there first that asked.

Erica Lafferty (01:14:46.000)

All right, so this one is probably my favorite. It's my mom's signature. Oh, on your smiley face. Yep. So this was left on a note that said dear sweet baby, Erica, please stop. thinking right now you're scaring me. face harsh mommy.

Dan (01:15:06.000)

You did the whole age tattooed on her.

Erica Lafferty (01:15:12.000)

And then, yeah, so this is my mom's quote, be nice to each other. It's really all that matters. I used to have rubber Well, I still have rubber wristbands that say it but I got sick of like, so it's just like there. Have an apple. And then this high, like allow yourself to fly and fly high are things that like my mom frequently said to me in dreams. High is flying hockey's birthday.

Dan (01:15:38.000)

Is that your middle finger?

Jordan (01:15:41.000)

Fly Hi, MOTHER FUCKA.

Erica Lafferty (01:15:44.000)

Exactly. So all right. This is the sleeve. Sleeve. Nice. That's Axl and Jinx. Those are these in action. And Roxy. Yeah, I still have one getting jealous. It's like right by the camera right here. Brooklyn and Bella still need to get worked in. And then I have decided, Hey, I got that after the Pulse nightclub shooting I have so many is

Dan (01:16:16.000)

Is there something that the dogs have to do to qualify for tattoo status? Is there like become raptor princesses?

Jordan (01:16:22.000)

Of course.

Dan (01:16:24.000)

I feel like maybe it's like the same thing thing. Do they have to perform a miracle?

Jordan (01:16:29.000)

Three postures in order to be eligible.

Erica Lafferty (01:16:32.000)

It was up to me. I like it. You know, if I had like the money that Alex Jones owed me, I would get every dog I ever saw in my life tattooed on my body. I probably have to gain like 5 million pounds. And I would also need the money that I'm owed.

Jordan (01:16:51.000)

To do that, yeah, to get 500 pounds.

Erica Lafferty (01:16:54.000)

You know, live long enough. Yeah. To fuck yeah, but ya know, so I can really get behind that guys. Yeah, awesome. Our phone

Dan (01:17:05.000)

number doesn't work anymore. So I was like, it's pretty impressive, though. I saw I saw I think it was maybe an interview that you did. And I saw also the sleeve tattoo. And I was like, That. I for some reason I saw you testify. And I just never thought sleeve of tattoo. It doesn't it didn't come off.

Erica Lafferty (01:17:31.000)

My lawyers were like Erica, there are some really conservative. You're gonna not look like you and I'm like,

Dan (01:17:40.000)

oh, no, you can't be a tat gal.

Jordan (01:17:42.000)

It's 2020 God damn two. Okay.

Erica Lafferty (01:17:46.000)

I was like, I have three tattoos on a hand. Like on my Bible hand, bro. i

Dan (01:17:54.000)

Yeah, Jordan has a has a hand as well. Yeah, I

Jordan (01:17:57.000)

got a full hand tattoo. wedding ring.

Dan (01:18:01.000)

I can hide my Yeah, my tats.

Erica Lafferty (01:18:06.000)

Both hands. Yeah, I'm like, I can't hide. Like, my hands. I can't. No, yeah, I was all like, principal daughter that day and not like, the Hellion that the principal actually

Jordan (01:18:17.000)

the one that can't drink?

Dan (01:18:22.000)

Well, we should probably wrap this up. Because we've been we've been we've been going for almost a good hour and a half. So I don't want to take up your whole day. Yeah, but thank you so much for chatting with us. Yes. As I never would have imagined in a million years when we started this podcast that we would end up having a friendly conversation. Sort of not the new would be unfriendly. I'm just gonna say what was the other alternative? Very formal. Okay. Yeah, that kind of conversation with you know, a plaintiff in the Sandy Hook case it just it seems like everything is very surreal. We have a lot of respect and admiration for what you've gone through and how you've you know,

Jordan (01:19:12.000)

and we're grateful to play the small part that we we have in a positive way

Erica Lafferty (01:19:18.000)

it was not a small part and I it's incredibly don't give me the don't compliment us bullshit. Because you guys did a really good fuck.

Dan (01:19:27.000)

Really proud of we did a terrible thing and that is that we don't publicize or like promote ourselves at all. And so that's probably why you had no idea we existed. You know, times when you could have enjoyed

Erica Lafferty (01:19:40.000)

tweeting someone put me in touch with them. And I was like, Wait, why don't I have Bankston?

Jordan (01:19:44.000)

Yeah, yeah, good buddy.

Dan (01:19:47.000)

niched, my private last. Oh,

Jordan (01:19:51.000)

at least it's not public. Release it on a docket somewhere.

Erica Lafferty (01:19:56.000)

Like, quote, tweet me and be like, here it is. Yeah.

Jordan (01:20:00.000)

Ha. Oh, oh, that was good timing. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks. Yeah, I don't know.

Dan (01:20:09.000)

I don't know if you have anything else that you want to promote, but we'll add a link. I know that a lot of our listeners have already found your GoFundMe, but we'll add a link to that. And

Jordan (01:20:22.000)

absolutely, yeah,

Erica Lafferty (01:20:23.000)

I mean, we just got a fresh batch of Lafferty V lymphoma rents wristbands in

Dan (01:20:29.000)

I love it. The only problem that I have is that it's yellow. Yeah. Isn't that the?

Jordan (01:20:37.000)

Yeah, my fire color yeller

Erica Lafferty (01:20:41.000)

the color of my specific cancer. That makes sense.

Dan (01:20:43.000)

Okay, that Trump's strong. Yeah. All right. He's, uh,

Erica Lafferty (01:20:48.000)

I mean, yeah. But yeah, um, so for the hook up on those Lafferty velum falmer@gmail.com.

Dan (01:20:58.000)

Thankfully, our audiences good at spelling, lymphoma in any email addresses. That's a recipe for go to the right place hopes

Jordan (01:21:07.000)

nobody has Lafferty V lymphoma, because they're gonna get a lot of emails. Well, I hope

Erica Lafferty (01:21:15.000)

not well, and it's all over the socials and all that stuff. They've found me on there. And they have been coming in droves with the love and positivity and I'm I will be eternally grateful. That's

Dan (01:21:29.000)

awesome. We are grateful for them as well. Yeah. Well, hopefully we'll talk again sometime down the road. And

Erica Lafferty (01:21:37.000)

maybe like, pre evil transition.

Jordan (01:21:41.000)

Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Yeah.

Dan (01:21:43.000)

If you need someone to like workshop some evil plans with Oh, I'm so good at it. Yeah, we're good at pawnshop.

Erica Lafferty (01:21:50.000)

All right. So I'm just gonna start like taking random pictures. When I'm not drinking mom of the journal, the evil journal and just sending them off to that private email address. Perfect. Okay. Just like just like, VIP all ideas, you know, awesome.

Dan (01:22:11.000)

For sure. We have we have an eye for narrative, especially for comic book characters. You can we can make this work. Alright, so we won't

Jordan (01:22:23.000)

go over that. Thank you so much, Erica. Yeah. Take care.

Andy In Kansas (01:22:29.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.